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Warfare of Art & Law Podcast
Hosted by Stephanie Drawdy · EN
Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy.
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Italian IP, New Tech and Art Law Lawyer Massimo Sterpi on Issues Raised by Generative AI and the Future of Agentic AI
Jan 400:55:27Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailIP attorney Massimo SterpiMassimo Sterpi photo by Eolo Perfido Show Notes:1:30 Sterpi’s work with emerging tech2:30 shift in use of emerging tech/arts issues3:55 Brazilian artist Eduardo Kac's transgenic work4:30 blockchain / NFT as a testing area5:10 generative AI and copyright6:20 copyrighted works as training data 12:25 11 Nov 2025 judgment by Munich Regional Court in GEMA v. OpenAI (Case No. 42 O 14139/24)14:20 fair use in the US17:05 copyright of outputs23:55 "A Single Piece of American Cheese"26:00 Gema decision’s impact on OpenAI’s business model29:00 UK decision in Getty v. Stability AI32:30 harmonisation 34:20 collective licensing as a solution for AI training36:20 view of justice/injustice with emerging tech in the arts38:40 cultural impact of emerging tech42:00 Christie’s auction of "Portrait of Edmond de Belamy"43:40 2024 Venice Biennale - The Conference on Art and AI’s “The Neo-Synthetic: A Dialogue on Art, A.I., and Emergent Aesthetics”44:30 expanding area regarding the roles involved in outputs46:40 authenticity becoming enigmatic47:00 attempts to create digital scarcity47:55 different standards of creativity 48:30 neighboring rights for AI50:00 Italy’s protection of “simple photographs” versus “photographic works”50:40 UK’s Section 9(3) copyright of outputs fictionally attributed to human involved52:40 Agentic AI Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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Artist Marina Heintze on Art, Activism and the Holocaust
Dec 2100:53:15Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailLink here to learn more about Marina Heintze.Show Notes:1:00 Heintze’s background in the arts2:30 sculptures of Heintze's father3:30 Heintze’s use of materials5:30 current events addressed in Heintze’s work6:20 Politics series – gerrymandering7:25 Bullet proof vests – assassinations and deviseness 7:45 Holocaust addressed in her work like “Gentian Violet Violence”8:30 "Yitler” and “Dog Whistle” pieces9:50 Heintze’s family research that led her to work with bone planters11:20 archival research used in her work13:35 "The eyes are the windows to the neshama/soul" 15:20 Lure series regarding nefarious organizations 19:50 how/whether her works address justice/injustice21:50 work related to B2 bombers22:50 Tunnel Talk / Vision series27:25 feedback on Tunnel Talk / Vision series31:40 Banksy image removed from Royal Courts of Justice 34:15 Holocaust denial and free speech36:40 Alan Robertshaw – importance of work on the Holocaust38:45 David Irving v Penguin Books and Deborah Lipstadt – 1996 UK Judgment 42:20 facts of genocide/terrorist acts 48:10 camouflage IP50:30 design of Arab nation flagsPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective Part III
Dec 700:59:43Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailPhotographer credit for Anja Neubauer: self-portrait created with an AI tool.Show Notes:2:30 Prof. Tim McFarlin’s focus on copyright and authorship3:30 Dr. Caterina Moruzzi’s philosophical/design perspective / focus on authenticity5:00 Dr. Anja Neubauer's focus on global AI/copyright framework5:50 Artist Lisa Lebofsky’s perspective on AI as a nomadic painter8:45 “Authenticity Unmasked”–looking at the artistic process not the product9:55 “Authenticity Unmasked” insight-centrality of human perspective12:00 Neubauer–redefinition of terms like originality in light of emerging tech13:30 Getty v. Stability finding outputs are not copies so not infringements14:55 McFarland–genAI’s scale and redefining understanding of terms17:05 US state and federal laws 19:00 need for unified global protection19:50 Alan Robershaw – UK Getty decision’s technical focus on the process 21:40 Defining originality 22:10 Getty opinion at 601 v. AI models are memorizing/making copies 24:00 Robertshaw - one step away from judicial definition of consciousness24:40 McFarland – scale is the concern25:35 Lebofsky – how prior claims of infringement fit into AI/appropriation of artists’ works26:20 McFarland – ‘substantially similar’ takings are prima facie infringement subject to fair use defense27:10 consideration of outputs flooding the market harm 29:25 Lebofsky – use of AI through tools like AI Charm Lab app 31:00 Lebofsky’s view of threats to her style and her language 32:45 human requirement for ‘authorship’ and consumer trends35:55 Moruzzi – human effort to value the process37:15 Process visible in generative AI circa 2015 v. current genAI’s less visibility and thus less authenticity38:30 Anthroprocentric – human need for authorship40:20 Robershaw - Monkey-selfie case; animal versus machine personhood 43:15 McFarland – Arkansas statute on AI44:40 Gould – UK Section 9(3) - limited copyright for output in person who organized the output45:00 Neubauer – issue of term “equipment” for tools 46:50 Gould – current copyright legislation is not fit for purpose48:35 Distinction between camera use and AI model training49:05 Copyright Criminals documentary regarding music sampling 50:00 Sampling case involving Kraftwerk 51:35 Moruzzi – response to consultations53:00 McFarland – extent of law v. parallel tracks to copyright or other alternatives to preserve and protect human creativity54:00 Stefania Salles Bruins–solutions outside the law54:40 Copyright not fit for purpose 55:20 Neubauer - Shift in definition of artwork55:45 Lebofsky – how to establish boundaries57:25 Lebofsky’s workPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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"Through Their Eyes" Exhibition - The Story of Kfar Azza Before, During and After 7 October 2023
Nov 2300:19:52Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailShow Notes:1:45 Lawrence Badzin - introduction of The Surviving Project5:45 three parts of Through Their Eyes Exhibition7:00 Wings of Hope messages9:00 stories from the delegation10:15 exhibition mission11:30 future cities for the exhibition: Chicago, Atlanta, LA, NYC, Toronto12:40 how the exhibition addresses theme of drawing strength from what’s lost15:00 defining justice – the way of getting back is continuing on16:30 legacy of the exhibition 18:00 Through Their Eyes ExhibitionPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective Part II
Nov 201:14:17Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailOluwatobi Aluko photo by Praise SamuelShow Notes:2:50 Tobi Aluko–Nigerian copyright 5:30 Nigeria’s national AI strategy and creative sector 7:25 Emily Gould – query on tech sector’s strength in Nigeria9:40 debate over UK’s copyright provision for machine-generated work11:40 Johan Brandstedt - Sweden’s approach to copyright 13:40 Czech Republic case on AI and copyrightability 16:40 Aluko – prompting versus creating art that involves effort/process19:00 US copyright for A Single Piece of American Cheese 20:30 Prof. Ahmed Elgammal - background of AI use in the arts23:45 19th C. French case on copyright of photographs that show originality 24:45 US refusal to copyright AI outputs 26:35 Bartz v. Anthropic and Kadrey v. Meta 30:45 AICAN project32:55 GAN-based art movement celebrated prior to prompting33:55 “Text-to-Image Generators Have Altered the Digital Art Landscape—But Killed Creativity. Here’s Why an Era of A.I. Art Is Over”34:25 artists survey on value from AI37:15 backlash of Christies’ auction of Generative AI works 41:50 Elgammal – effort versus intentionality e.g., DuChamp/ready-made art42:30 intentionality and agency missing with prompting and random output 51:40 AI's cultural impact 1:04:30 Beethoven X project Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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Israeli Artist Ronit Levin Delgado on Activist Art after 7 October and Art's Power to Heal & Bring Cultural Repair
Oct 1900:40:45Tap to summarizeSend us Fan MailShow Notes:1:30 background2:45 shift to add activist element to her art4:00 response to 7 October 2023 during residency at LMCC 5:30 ‘artivism’5:45 workshop at Israeli American Council event6:45 Rosh Hashanah gift for families of hostages9:00 how her work facilitates justice12:30 defining justice through recognition and healing13:20 work as a curator to connect voices13:50 “Artists on Antisemitism” exhibition 15:00 co-curated with director of Jewish Art Salon15:40 LA-based artist Marina Heinze included in exhibition 15:45 Joan Roth17:30 Ronit’s “David” kisses painting included in exhibition 19:40 Chai meaning alive 19:50 use of technology in her work as a bridge for global participation21:40 heat-activated work that shows happiness levels like mood rings23:25 Stefania Salles Bruins: connection between art and justice making whole26:00 work by Marina Heinze in Artists on Antisemitism exhibition 27:10 other exhibitions she has curated27:50 work in the antisemitism exhibition 28:40 fellowship in Germany in collaboration with German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD) - art's importance in memory and justice29:00 urgency of keeping the Holocaust alive in the conversation today29:45 murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska30:00 to hold and carry memory forward to inspire vigilance and resilence 30:40 artists as witnesses of our time and responsibility to be an activist32:00 “Wandering Jew” project for 2026 Jerusalem Biennale34:00 Drawdy’s definition of justice 34:50 Drawdy’s focus on stories to highlight 35:20 Alan Robertshaw’s comments36:00 art speaking for itself 36:50 “Written in Water” and “Project Forgiveness” - 2018 NY Spring/BreakPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission.© Stephanie Drawdy [2026]
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Artist & Attorney Stefania Salles Bruins on "How to Work Your Lawyer-Trained Brain to Strengthen Your Cranial Nerve 2" Part II - A 2ND Saturday Conversation
Oct 401:05:44Tap to summarizeSend a textCover photograph credit: Jessica MinorLink to PowerPoint presentation referenced in episode is available here.Show Notes:1:20 intro and background2:40 Slide 4 - Overview of Part I: 6 & ½ tips & tricks: 1 – perspective & point of view; 2 – Light; 2-1/2 – shadow; 3 – value / contrast; 4 – temperature; 5 – depth and illusion of 3-D; 6 – line5:00 Slide 5: Point 7 - Brushstrokes6:35 thickness of paint7:00 blending with dry brush8:00 Slide 6: Point 8 - Layering9:40 ‘fat over lean’ rule11:15 scumble – layer of opaque white 11:30 glaze – transparent layer over an underpainting12:40 Slide 7: Point 9 - Paint as a Language15:50 Slide 8: Point 10 - The Figure19:45 Slide 9: Point 11 – The Palette32:40 glazing 33:50 Slide 10: Point 12 – Studio Practice42:50 figurative group show with artist from Hip Bone Art Studio43:45 process of applying to shows45:00 narrative/figurative and surrealist approach to still life work46:05 artist statements48:45 sharing WIP and final works51:20 connection to the cranial optic nerve – thinking with our eyes when painting1:00:00 painting from imagination with focus on ‘technique in service of art’1:02:10 how to deal with writers’ block and painters’ blockPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comMusic by Toulme.To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! This podcast and its content may not be used for training or developing AI systems without permission. © Stephanie Drawdy [2025]
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Researcher, Writer & Advisor Frances Liddell on the Intersection of Emerging Tech, the Arts & Culture
Dec 1, 202400:53:45Tap to summarizeSend us a textTo learn more, please visit Frances Liddell's site.Show Notes:0:00 Frances Liddell on justice and technology1:30 Liddell’s background2:50 CryptoKitties 3:50 NFTs5:20 ORAgen & DECaDE research centre 7:20 C2PA 8:15 tokenized rights9:45 ORA use cases10:30 themes from ORA interviews12:15 YouTube as a supportive platform v. TikTok13:00 smart contracts and licensing15:00 perspectives on attribution 16:30 Emily Gould question on attribution24:50 animation sector with stronger preference for attribution not open source 26:45 interviews revealed uncertainty on data scraping29:50 lack of awareness about the environmental impact of blockchain31:50 repatriation and blockchain and her work as associate research fellow with Art & Antiquities Blockchain Consortium34:50 Balot NFT - Balot sculpture in Virginia Museum of Fine Arts 37:30 ORA project status38:15 ORAgen Fables39:00 recommendations for creatives: to review C2PA & Content Credentials41:00 Gould: responses during interviews about copyright concerns 45:30 location of individuals interviewed47:20 impact of tech on issues of injustice - benefits/concerns surrounding decentralization 50:40 current work with ORA51:30 Oluwatobi AlukoPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comTo hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.Music by Toulme.To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!© Stephanie Drawdy [2024]
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IP and Tech Attorney Ankit Sahni on the RAGHAV AI Painting Tool and "Suryast" Copyright Registration Efforts in India, Canada & the US
Nov 10, 202401:08:16Tap to summarizeSend us a textShow Notes:1:00 Anki Sanhi 1:45 Sahni’s background and work 5:00 Eric Raymond’s The Cathedral and the Bazaar - essay on open source development 6:40 association with the arts7:45 trademark enforcement work10:00 infringement case between client working in fashion space sued by global brand12:30 origin of the Raghav project16:45 process to use Raghav18:30 Van Gogh’s Starry Night 21:00 Raghav = Robust Artificially Intelligent Graphics and Arts Visualizer 21:45 Indian copyright application for “Suryast”25:40 Section 2(d) of Indian Copyright Act, definition of author 34:30 Canadian copyright application for “Suryast”35:35 Notice of Application filed in Canadian Federal Court by Samuelson-Glushko Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC) against Sahni over “Suryast” 37:10 US copyright application for “Suryast” 37:35 Sahni’s US Counsel, Alex Garens, Esq. with Day Pitney 38:00 USCO decision on “Suryast” 43:30 India’s definition of ‘author’ - no qualifications 46:50 Parliamentary Standing Committee recommended creation of new right for AI works per Sahni’s recommendation47:05 February 2024 - Union Minister of State Commerce in India’s Parliament submitted that there is no need for creation of a new right and current legislation offers sufficient protection 48:45 ambiguity in Canada law on AI 49:40 USCO’s Request for Comments52:00 Sanhi’s position of need for amendment of US law to address AI53:50 Optimus 54:50 Definition of justice56:30 global harmonized principles on AI57:30 injustice of humans unknowingly competing against AI due to historic suppression of AI use59:00 Sahni’s intent to contribute to the change in law to address AI1:00:00 consultation with Ryan Abbott, Esq. 1:00:50 Future projects 1:02:20 shaping issues where art and law intersect1:03:30 cultural impact of the debate over human authorship, AI and art1:04:30 comparison of photography to AIPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comTo hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.Music by Toulme.To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!© Stephanie Drawdy [2024]
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Artist & Attorney Stefania Salles Bruins on "How to Work Your Lawyer-Trained Brain to Strengthen Your Cranial Nerve 2" - A 2ND Saturday Conversation
Oct 6, 202400:37:28Tap to summarizeSend us a textCover Image: Artist's MFA Studio - Tribeca Ball.To learn more, please visit Stefania Salles Bruins' site.Show Notes:1:15 art school’s training to visually think2:00 Bruins’ work as attorney2:30 overview of grad program at New York Academy of Art5:00 medium: use of linseed oil and paint without medium5:30 tools: importance of brushes6:15 support: Bruins’ preference for aluminum7:15 Vincent Desiderio’s Cockaigne 8:00 Lesson 1 Perspective8:45 Point of View9:30 Lesson 2 Light 10:50 Lesson 2.5 Shadow11:30 Rembrandt’s The Nightwatch12:00 Lesson 3 Value 12:55 Lesson 4 Temperature13:05 Courbet’s The Madman or The Desperate Man 13:50 Steven Assael - king of temperature shifts 14:20 Lesson 5 Depth15:00 Value is King, Temperature is Queen and Color is a Fool 15:30 Lesson 6 Lines 15:40 shapes within da Vinci’s Mona Lisa 17:00 Adam Miller - narrative large oil paintings17:20 Carl Dobsky 17:30 NYAA Big Stories exhibit artist talk 18:00 transitions within grad school and post-grad19:40 learning to be your own voice of reason - parallel with work as general counsel20:55 Old Masters Rembrandt and Vermeer21:55 Alan Robertshaw: Vermeer’s use of optics23:00 SSB: application of illusions in cinema and inspiration from movies more than paintings24:00 Kubrick's Barry Lyndon 24:50 use of grids and projectors27:15 use of technical and human assistants28:45 critiques 30:00 art historical references to read the work 31:20 Nnebundo Obi: time commitments within art grad school32:50 Escoda brushes33:00 use of aluminum34:45 advice for individuals who want to begin painting35:30 always clean your brushes!see also:JP Roy's IG post re lightcheckerboard illusionPlease share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.comTo hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website.Music by Toulme.To view rewards for supporting the podcast, please visit Warfare's Patreon page.To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening!© Stephanie Drawdy [2024]
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