RIP, The Streets Is Dead

Summary

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We Talk Back — Episode Summary

Podcast: We Talk Back
Episode: RIP, The Streets Is Dead
Hosts: TamBam & AJ Holiday
Date: September 4, 2025
Network: The Black Effect & iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this episode titled "RIP, The Streets Is Dead," TamBam and AJ Holiday dive into the shifting dynamics of street culture, relationships, snitching, and what it truly means to be "real" in today’s Black community. Using the high-profile Young Thug trial, publicized celebrity relationships, and provocative social trends as talking points, the hosts mix their signature blend of unfiltered comedy, cultural critique, and personal advice to reflect on the changes impacting femininity, masculinity, and the collective Black experience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weekend Catch-up & Mood Setting

• [03:02] TamBam and AJ kick off with a personal weekend recap, shopping deals, and cookout anecdotes.
• Mini-rant about no one liking their music choices at friend Raquel’s birthday ("Y’all just ratchet! I like old school." — AJ, 03:56).

2. The Cam Newton & Jasmine Brown Relationship Drama

• [05:22] AJ shares her irritation over Cam Newton’s repeated public embarrassment of Jasmine Brown and refusal to define their relationship, even as she carries his child.
  • "Imagine somebody asking your baby daddy, you’re pregnant with his second child... are y’all even dating?" (AJ, 05:22)
• Discussion about Jasmine’s social media post on raising sons to be the men women dream of, and speculation about her current regret.
• [07:42] Emotional reality: "I feel like I subconsciously raised him to be a man I can only dream of but never experience. And that's traumatic." — Jasmine Brown (via TamBam)
• Hosts reflect on generational patterns (referencing Yaya Mayweather and NBA YoungBoy).

3. Marriage in the Black Community – Offset’s Cynicism vs. Elders’ Wisdom

• [09:39] Offset tells podcast hosts not to get married — “you just lose yourself in a marriage.”
• [11:24] Positive marriage soundbites highlighted from Ty Dolla $ign and Anthony Hamilton; discuss the importance of family for Black generational wealth.
  • "We’re not gonna get anywhere in society until we put back the emphasis on family." — Ty Dolla $ign (as cited by AJ, 12:04)
• [12:26] "Men think they have to wait until they get their bag to get married. That will come once you get a wife." (AJ)
• Offset’s negativity attributed to him being "a man scorned" amid relationship troubles with Cardi B (TamBam, 13:18).
• Reflection on women believing they can "change" men — and why that almost never works.

4. Cardi B Court Drama & Female Celebrity Scrutiny

• [16:04] Recap of Cardi B’s courtroom incident: throws phone at a reporter who asked about a paternity test.
  • "Don’t be asking me disrespectful questions. She hasn't even announced that she's pregnant; you talking about a paternity test!" — TamBam (17:38)
• Hosts defend Cardi, framing her actions as real and relatable, especially considering media disrespect.

5. Main Topic: “The Streets is Dead” — What Does It Mean?

• [18:19] The central debate: Has “the streets” and its old ideas of street code, loyalty, and ‘realness’ died?
• AJ: "The street’s been dead as far as I’m concerned." (18:19)
• Transition into discussion about snitching, “realness,” and whether today’s street culture holds any value.

6. Snitching, Street Codes, and the Young Thug Trial

• [22:03] Both hosts discuss following the Young Thug trial (AJ’s cousin treats it "like a soap opera").
• [23:06] “80% of people in prison snitched.” — AJ challenges the myth of widespread ‘no-snitching’.
• [25:27] TamBam: "If you are a law-abiding citizen and you witness a crime and you inform the police... you’re not a snitch."
• Explains Alford Plea (27:12), how cases often only get built due to cooperation, and why most “civilians” would talk if put in that position.
• [28:57] Discussion on women disproportionately serving time for covering for men, with real-life examples.
  • "Most women are in prison because they covered a man. A lot of women are in prison for some shit they did not do, being a real bitch, down bottom bitch." — AJ (28:57)
• Critique the glorification of male prisoners and the social incentives around ‘street cred’.

7. Changing Definitions of "Real" in the Black Community

• [33:30] TamBam: “Real meant someone solid, respected in the streets, lived by the code. But now it’s about authenticity, vulnerability, healing, and emotional honesty.”
• New role models are artists like Kendrick, J. Cole, Drake — "a different kind of real."
• [34:44] AJ: Calls out the archetype of "real nigga" as a facade — "Young Thug... this is the end... niggas been snitching; there never really was a street code."

8. Quality Control, QCP’s Response, and Who Qualifies as “Real”

• [36:54] QCP’s Instagram response, declaring: “I’m not a street n—. I’m a tax-paying citizen... All the street n— are broke, dead, or in jail. Why do y’all keep glorifying this?”
• [37:29] Hosts agree: realness is about taking care of family, not “crashing out.”

9. Corporate Snitching, Whistleblowers & Double Standards

• Brief compare/contrast of snitching in the streets vs. whistleblowing in the workplace.
• [45:14] AJ: “Whistleblowers are celebrated. Still, that’s a snitch. Right? Somebody telling on you at work?”

10. Snitching Scenarios & Moral Dilemmas (Lively Roleplay)

• [49:48 – 57:30] Series of hypothetical “would you snitch?” situations:
  • If your cousin gets you arrested–stay silent or talk?
  • If payroll is short and you know your coworker is stealing?
  • If police give you an ultimatum: talk or take a charge?
  • Would you take prison time to save your man/kid?
• TamBam: "I am not about to take a charge for you. I’m not that girl." (27:24)
• AJ: "Do what’s best for you. These niggas won’t crash out for you, so don’t crash out for them." (57:48)
• Universal takeaway: Women, protect your peace; avoid sacrificing your freedom for anyone.

11. Broader Social Commentary & Generational Shift

• [58:30 – end] Calling for an end to glorifying “the streets.”
  • "Let the streets die. Let that era be over. We need bigger and better things." — TamBam (61:33)
• [59:59] "The cool thing is to get money, get a fine woman, take care of your children, start building generational wealth... Y’all missing out on life." — AJ
• [60:46] Final thoughts on prison sexuality, loyalty, and the false romance of jailhouse relationships.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Cam Newton:
  • "You done ran into the fucking Thanos of modern women and he done turned you into a pick meisha." — AJ, [06:50]
• On Changing Street Codes:
  • "A real nigga is somebody who takes care of their fucking family, who's not about to crash out..." — AJ, [33:30]
  • "All the street n— are broke, dead and in jail. Why do y’all continue to glorify this?" — QCP (via AJ), [36:54]
• On Snitching:
  • "Snitches do not, in fact, get stitches. 6ix9ine is walking around perfectly fine." — TamBam, [46:08]
  • "Most women are in prison because they covered a man..." — AJ, [28:57]
• On Relationship Sacrifice:
  • "Don't let these men steal your youth. Make sure you're doing it for the right person in your family, not some fucking nigga who don't even consider you." — AJ, [15:27]
• On Letting Go of "The Streets":
  • "Letting the streets die means it’s time for us to focus on family, generational wealth and bigger, better things." — TamBam, [61:33]
• On Black Accountability:
  • "We can’t keep blaming the man when we’re doing this to our own people. Even the things they do wouldn’t work if they didn’t have help from a Black person." — AJ, [44:42]

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Major Timestamps

• [03:02] Weekend Recap & Cookout Stories
• [05:22] Cam Newton & Jasmine Brown
• [09:39] Offset’s Anti-Marriage Comments
• [16:04] Cardi B Courtroom Outburst
• [18:19] "The Streets is Dead" Question Introduced
• [22:03] Young Thug Trial & “Street Codes”
• [28:57] Women in Prison for Men’s Crimes
• [33:30] Redefining “Realness”
• [36:54] QCP’s Response & Realness Redefined
• [45:14] Corporate Snitching/Whistleblower Debate
• [49:48 – 57:30] Snitching Scenarios
• [61:33] Let the Streets Die — Final Reflections

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Episode Tone and Style

Bold, comedic, and raw, TamBam and AJ stay true to their style—direct, sisterly, and unafraid to name names or challenge Black cultural taboos. They balance humor with urgency, especially when warning women against sacrificing for unworthy men, and push back against the romanticization of "street" ideals.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The mythology of “the streets” is not just outdated, but actively harmful—especially to women and Black families.
• “Snitching” is a loaded term; most so-called no-snitching actually falls apart under real pressure.
• “Realness” today is about growth, vulnerability, taking care of family, and building wealth—not criminal credibility.
• Stop sacrificing your well-being and future to cover for men still stuck in outdated “street” mentalities.
• Let the streets die and invest in your own personal and communal growth.

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Transcript

[AJ Holiday]

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[Tam Bam]

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[Tam Bam]

We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who talk back.

[AJ Holiday]

What's up, y'? All? It's your grade A ba AJ holiday. What's up, Tam Bam, y'?

[Tam Bam]

All. It's me, Tam Bam. I love y' all so very, very much. How was your weekend?

[AJ Holiday]

I ain't doing much. Do y' all feel like fall came early because why? Is it, like, extra breezy outside? It was kind of warm this weekend, but it was definitely cool. I probably could have flown my kite. My kites. But yeah, I do much for the Labor Day weekend. Relax, chill, shop some deals. Fashion Nova. Have 50 off.

[Tam Bam]

I know. Yeah, it was a lot of good sales this weekend. I. It was Raquel's birthday. Shout out to my friend Raquel.

[AJ Holiday]

Happy birthday, Raquel. So many years.

[Tam Bam]

She had like a little cookout. So I went over to that and that was a good time. We was playing past the ox. Nobody liked none of my music except for maybe like once or twice happening to me too.

[AJ Holiday]

I'm like, y' all just ratchet. Yeah, I like, I got old school.

[Tam Bam]

No, we want a lot of old school stuff, but they just didn't want to hear what I wanted to hear. And then I played one song that just came out by Big X to plug on his new album, and they was like, yeah, there's some. You need to listen it to the car by yourself. So wait, what.

[AJ Holiday]

What was you trying to play aside from that? Because I haven't heard that song. So what else you tried to play?

[Tam Bam]

I hope you're happy by Big Extra plug? It's country and Big X. It's Luke Combs and biggest go hard. They ain't want to hear that. But yeah, we had a good time drinking and eating and talking. Yeah. And we drank some red libre. You know, everybody really enjoyed it. So I posted that on the story. Everybody had us a nice shot of red libre. Y' all try it when you get a chance. But that was my Weekend.

[AJ Holiday]

It sounds good. I do much. Again, same. You know, I just feel like I didn't get no sleep this weekend either. Like, I was up, your boo was in town. Girl, we're not gonna be mentioning my boo every episode.

[Tam Bam]

Okay, well, okay.

[AJ Holiday]

I'll let you know offline if he is. No. And I was very upset about it.

[Tam Bam]

All right, well, let's get in the sins.

[AJ Holiday]

Ah. Okay. Now, I know everybody has been seeing, not even the back and forth. Cam Newton is like, almost like he specializes in embarrassing Jasmine Brown, you know, I just feel like he does. I don't know how everybody else feels, but it just. Every time he opens his mouth up, anytime somebody asks him about his relationship. Recently, I forgot who was on the show, who he's interviewing, but they. Or maybe he was on somebody else's show, but they asked him basically, like, are y' all even dating? Imagine somebody asking your baby daddy, you're pregnant with his second child. What? Your second child with him. Because he technically, this is his eighth kid on the way. Right. And I think he has two kids that he raised, you know, from his ex. From his ex.

[Tam Bam]

Ch. I don't know.

[AJ Holiday]

Right, exactly. Child. But imagine somebody asking, like, are y' all, like, at least dating? Like, yeah, she lives there, but why won't you put a title on it?

[Tam Bam]

I think she knew what she signed up for with that, though. Especially with kid, too. Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Really think she thought she was going to get a different type of treatment. I really think she. Because you. Do you remember? Do you remember? Like, do you. Were you ever watching Jasmine Brown, like, back before Cam Newton?

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, she was like, funny. She was like, funny, right?

[AJ Holiday]

And a lot of her commentary was like, anti picnica. You know what I'm saying? Basically making fun of women in this same type of situation, not you signing up for it. And you done ran into the fucking thanos of modern women and he done turned you into a pick. Misha.

[Tam Bam]

Damn. That's crazy. I don't know. I don't really. But that post that she made is a bit telling, or we would assume so. Jasmine Brown made a post that said transparency moment. And she says, if God gave me a son, I'd be so nervous because I feel like I subconsciously raised him to be a man I can only dream of but never experience. And that's traumatic.

[AJ Holiday]

Ashely. Yeah. So a lot of people have been reading into that and feel like it suggests that she is now, like, having a come to moment, realizing the depths of what she has got herself involved with. And I also Saw some people ripping her, like, oh, I don't feel bad for her. And I saw one comment say, while she's worrying about the type of man she is raising, she needs to be concerned about the type of woman she's raising too.

[Tam Bam]

Okay, Right.

[AJ Holiday]

Because your daughter gonna get the same type of treatment you receive, essentially whatever they see.

[Tam Bam]

Right. That makes me think of Yaya Mayweather and Floyd Mayweather, you know, because she seemed like she like settles with NBA boy a lot. Perhaps. I don't want to, you know, speak out of turn because I really don't know their relationship, but I always wondered what type of woman she would turn out to be with her father being someone who seemingly was a womanizer. And out of all the men that she could have fell in love with, young boy seems like he's very, you know, lost, lost out here. So mental health issues and all kind of things going on, but that's just me speculating. I don't know what they got going on.

[AJ Holiday]

And I mean, I think also a part of it is just like who he is. Right. He's one of the biggest rap artists out here.

[Tam Bam]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

I'm saying your dad is one of the biggest athlete athletes out here. And I don't know if that's the type of lifestyle she chasing. That's the type of man you gonna end up with. I would think that. I mean, her mom seems like a well rounded person, but I don't know, maybe they didn't raise her for real.

[Tam Bam]

Right, right. Well, more power to all those people, you know, hopefully they work out in their favor. That's all I can say. I ain't got no. So I can't even talk. That's how I be feeling. Like where am I man at? A good man though. In the name of Jesus, amen. Speaking of having a man in marriage and things like that, Offset was on the Phil Sin podcast and he said that he thinks that other men should not be married. So the 31 year old podcast host asked him what advice did he have for him, did. Would he suggest that he not be married? And he said, don't do it. You know, it's just not. He said first he said, I mean you can try it out, but really, honestly, you shouldn't do it. And he was like, you just lose yourself in a marriage basically, is what he said. You have to prioritize in the comments.

[AJ Holiday]

Someone else, yeah, other people.

[Tam Bam]

And I guess that's just bad, apparently.

[AJ Holiday]

So Offset, he was on a podcast called Filson Podcast, right. And then there was A red carpet. I don't know where that was, the red carpet, what event that was in. That was. I think it was the. Either the shade room or maybe Hollywood unlock people. They were asking different men in the industry. You had Ty Dollar Sign.

[Tam Bam]

Anthony Hamilton.

[AJ Holiday]

Married for 20 years. Yeah, Anthony. Anthony Hamilton, a grown ass man with adult children at this point from a previous marriage. So. And a lot of them had a lot of positive things to say about marriage.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, they all supported marriage. Even with his eyes looking all black was like, you know, I mean, marriage a good thing. And she.

[AJ Holiday]

I just think, you know, Ty$sign made a very good point and he said that, you know, people don't realize like how, like the, the. We don't have any money in the black community. The black dollar lasts one second. Right. And I say we don't have money. We make lots of money, but we are the consumers. Right. So we are not, we're not gonna, we're gonna continue to be in the position we are in society until we put back the emphasis that needs to be on family.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, that was Vic Mentor. Vic Mensa was like, you know, the.

[AJ Holiday]

Oh, right, okay.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

No, actually it was Ty$sign. But they had the captions wrong at the top. Remember I said that while we were looking at it, they had the captions wrong at the top of the conversations. So the person's name didn't match what they said.

[Tam Bam]

But that's the. Oh, so that wasn't him talking when he said that. That was ty$ shame. So.

[AJ Holiday]

And that, and that's just the truth because I think that a lot of black men don't realize and like Anthony Hamilton, Hamilton said, the type, the covering you get when, when you're in a marriage, women, a good woman, like men think they have to wait until they get their bag together and all that to get married. That will come once you get a wife. Like, if y' all want to pull anything else out, the Bible, it says he who finds a wife finds a good thing. That's where your, your money is going to come from. If that's what you, that's all you, you know, trying to do, that's where it's going to come from. You got to get a woman, you got to get a wife, you got to start a family. You. Because that's going to give you the motivation to get to where you're going. Like, you can't do it by yourself. This life is built off of double occupancy.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

I'm saying I agree. So I don't agree with Offset. So he basically. You got three kids with Cardi B.

[Tam Bam]

At this point, he's just a man scorn right now. That's what I think. He's a man scorn. He's hurt. And he don't have nothing positive to say about marriage because he just, you know, he just went through saying a.

[AJ Holiday]

Lot of positive things about Cardi B. A lot of times he be like, yeah, I up. You know what I'm saying? When somebody actually ask him. But, you know, if he's behind the. The. The phone tweeting and he be saying a lot of rap.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. But you can tell he, you know, he bitter right now. You know, he bitter about it.

[AJ Holiday]

I don't know. Bitter, I think. I don't know.

[Tam Bam]

He posted a picture of Mari the other day.

[AJ Holiday]

He just, like, might be a major band, right? He likes taunting her.

[Tam Bam]

Who do that? But a bitter nigga who want to talk taunt.

[AJ Holiday]

Just a mean person. He don't necessarily have to be bitter. I really don't feel like he liked Cardi B from the beginning because I remember an interview when they first started dating, and somebody asked him if he loved her, and he basically. Basically alluded to the fact that he got with her because he saw where she was heading at. That was the gist of what he was saying. Like, she hard working. Like, it was nothing about love. It was nothing about wanting a family with him. I remember Cardi B being on the Breakfast Club, and she knew exactly when she wanted children. She knew exactly when she wanted to be married. Right? And she did those things. She chose a man and she tried to make a husband out of him. But that nigga is exactly who he is. From day one, this was somebody else's baby daddy. I think women be tricking themselves into thinking that they gonna get better treats because it's. Because it's me. No bitch like you gonna get. You gonna get the same treatment. Until a man is ready to change, there's nothing you can do to change that man. And that's their mistake.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, unfortunately. But, I mean, sometimes I feel like sometimes men do change when they get a little older. It takes some wisdom and time, and they'll get. You might get a different. You might. You know, I don't see women go through the trenches with a. And I mean, come out clean on the other side sometimes, but it's rare.

[AJ Holiday]

Heavily bruised. Yeah, Heavily up and bruised. And they look older than the man by the time they come out on the other side, y' all don't Let. Don't lit. Don't let these men steal your youth. Because we are the empaths. We are. They. They take from us, right? So we give them the. The life and energy to do all the things. And then you'd be depleting yourself. So make sure you're doing it for the right person in your family, not some fucking nigga who don't even consider you for real when making major life events. Like, they gonna put a baby on you and you and that's it.

[Tam Bam]

No, I agree. Did you see Cardi B was leaving the courtroom? Cardi B was leaving the courtroom, y', all, and a reporter asked her about her getting a paternity test for Stefan Diggs. And this. Threw her phone at this quick mink I'm talking about real quick. She. She's literally walking out of court for assault on a security guard and assaulted somebody else outside the courtroom.

[AJ Holiday]

Girl, I don't give a what y' all say. Cardi B is a real times 10, even though she say she ain't black. Me neither.

[Tam Bam]

Okay?

[AJ Holiday]

Like, she's literally in court because she assaulted a security guard at the hospital when she went for a doctor's appointment when she was pregnant before, which I feel like she's. I think this is going to get thrown out. I don't even know why this is such entertainment. Like, what are y' all distracting us from with this bullshit, right? Because basically the lady was out of place. She was out of bounds taking videos and photo of Cardi B. Cardi B asked her to stop, you know? So, yeah, pregnant woman. I'mma blame everything on hormones. And I'm pregnant again now. I just watched a video of her yawning in the courtroom, right? With Cardi B. This has been pregnant for three years. She is not having it right now. She is mad.

[Tam Bam]

Well, I don't think that's a good idea to hit somebody else and be back in court next. Next year.

[AJ Holiday]

Obviously got a lot of fucking money, right? Obviously.

[Tam Bam]

I get what she was saying. Like, don't be asking me disrespectful questions. She hasn't even announced that she's pregnant. You talking about a paternity test? Like, get out her face. So, I mean, I get it. But speaking of real, a paternity test.

[AJ Holiday]

For one of the existing babies.

[Tam Bam]

Oh, maybe, maybe. But either way, she wasn't having that. She said. But speaking of real. So AJ came up with this one, y', all. And I think this is a really good talk topic because it's been a conversation going around, buzzing around lately. The streets is dead. Is that true or not?

[AJ Holiday]

The street's been dead?

[Tam Bam]

No. They made a statement. They asked the question. They said the streets is dead. But we're going to talk about is it, is it really true?

[AJ Holiday]

It been dead as far as I'm concerned. But we'll, we'll talk about it when we come back after this break.

[Tam Bam]

We'll be back.

[AJ Holiday]

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[Tam Bam]

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[AJ Holiday]

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[Tam Bam]

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[AJ Holiday]

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[Tam Bam]

I did a little bit just for Woody. Woody was funny to watch.

[AJ Holiday]

He just recently got into an accident on a motorcycle.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, he did. I saw that. But he's okay, so that's great.

[AJ Holiday]

One of my cousins, man, she was watching this like a daytime soap opera. So I found myself like tuning in periodically to see what the was up. Just being nosy personally because I have had my own in the past. I do not like to really get involved in other people's legal issues. Yeah, okay. Most real niggas ain't getting involved. Don't even want to hear about, don't even want to know about what somebody else is going through in the court system. But hey, so now it's public and now there's the. The great debate about whether or not the streets is dead. And you know, in Hip hop. They've always upheld this no snitching shit. Which 80. 80% of people in prison snitched. Okay.

[Tam Bam]

All right, so let's define the word. Like, what is a snitch to you?

[AJ Holiday]

Did I finish my talking?

[Tam Bam]

Okay. All right, go ahead. I'm sorry, I didn't forgot what I.

[AJ Holiday]

Was trying to say. Okay. 80% of people in prison probably cooperated. And the 20% that didn't usually have the most time. Okay. That's what I was trying to say. And I would have finished and stopped.

[Tam Bam]

Okay, so what is a snitch to you.

[AJ Holiday]

Personally? To me, a snitch. This is my personal definition of a snitch. Like say, for instance, you and I were together and matter of fact, we're not even together. If somebody gets arrested for some and then they start telling on things that have nothing to do with the reason that they were arrested, to me, that's a snitch. So now you're cooperating, you're giving out names and situations of other things to get time reduction. To me, that's a snitch. Right. I got arrested when I was 20 for driving with. Driving with a suspended license. Right. And I'm in. What's the jail in. In Columbia?

[Tam Bam]

Alvin Escalin.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. Yes, I was there. They had no room for the amount of people that was there. So they had men and women like in a. A holding area all night long.

[Tam Bam]

Right?

[AJ Holiday]

So I might, I might have got there like 2 o' clock in the afternoon and didn't get out to like 4 o' clock in the morning on a PR bond. But this is a very, very interesting experience. And I distinctively remember a guy on the phone yelling and talking loud and cussing somebody's mom out, because apparently he let somebody drive his car. That person commits a murder in his car, he's driving a car. So he gets pulled over and taken into custody. And now he is calling them like, hey, I'm giving your son 24 hours to come down here and turn they self in. Cause I'm not going to jail for this shit.

[Tam Bam]

Mm.

[AJ Holiday]

That's not snitching. No, because I feel like the person on the outside come free me, you know, I ain't do that shit. So why you gonna let me take 20 years for you? Years of my whole life for you? Like the. No snitching shit never made sense to me. And I feel like snitches, snitching is only okay when you need one. Like if somebody, family member get murdered, they want to know who the fuck did it.

[Tam Bam]

Right? But I don't know if that's snitching.

[AJ Holiday]

Member murder somebody else. They, they don't want nobody snitching, right?

[Tam Bam]

Snitching is, to me is like if you're involved in some shit and you are telling just to save yourself, but if you are a law abiding citizen and you witness a crime and you inform the police on what you witness, you are not a snitch. You are a citizen of your community and you're trying to keep it safe.

[AJ Holiday]

You're a civilian.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. And that's it. You know, I don't think that's snitching. So, like, please, if you see somebody kill my cousin, please tell. You know, please tell.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, everybody hate a snitch until they need one. I remember when Gunner first had gotten out and everybody was calling him a snitch, right? Gonna got out on like this thing called Alford plea. Basically. It's like, let me, let me see exactly what the, the Alfred, Alfred plea is. That's what he. I remember watching, like when he. Hold on, hold on one momento, por favor. All right, so the Alford plea allows a defendant to enter a guilty plea while still maintaining their innocence. It's a tactical decision made when a defendant believes the prosecution's evidence is too strong to risk a trial, but they don't want to admit guilt. So now I don't think the state ever had a strong case against any of these. Like, if everybody just shut the up and let them, let the police do their job, most of these cases will get thrown out. It is because of the cooperation of people that they're even able to build cases oftentimes.

[Tam Bam]

Right?

[AJ Holiday]

So when he first got out, I remember I commented on a post, somebody was calling him a snitch. And I said, you know what I said? Most of y' all are civilians. You don't know what you will do if you were to be in this situation.

[Tam Bam]

I know exactly what I would do. I know exactly what I would do. And that's why I don't commit crime. I don't participate in crime. If I'm with a who's a criminal, I'll be like, look, don't tell me. I don't want to know about nothing you're doing. Don't tell me how you do it. Don't tell me how you got it. Because when the police ask me what I know, I want to say I don't know and be telling the truth, you know? So, yeah, I'M because if I get in trouble, y' all gonna see me right in with my arms, my sleeves, my arms and my sleeves like this with a chicken in front of me. Because I'm not going to jail in an orange soda. I'm not going to jail. I'm not that girl. And that's why I don't commit crimes, because I am not her. I saw this thing. My me and my friend was talking about it. If your man was facing 20 years and you could do three for his crime, would you do the three so he don't do 20? No, hell no, I'm not doing it. My best friend said she would do it. Oh, you, you a better than me because first of all, I don't encourage no man to be participating in criminal activity that will get him locked up, away from me and our family. Do find some legit shit to do. There's a lot of legit shit you can be doing. But what I'm not gonna do is be away from my kids and my family for three years because of what you chose to do with your life. No, I'm not doing that.

[AJ Holiday]

I think most women are in prison because they covered a man. A lot of women are in prison for some shit they did not do. Being a real bitch down bottom bitch. And they took the charge for a man. That's why I don't understand like the argument with Tory Lanez and Meg thee stallion and the homegirl Kelsey. So now like the thing is, is that Kelsey actually shot Meg the stallion. I know you've seen that theory, right? And, and Tory Lanez basically took the charge. When have y' all ever seen a man take a charge for a woman when usually they trying to throw drugs in a purse. I've seen something like that.

[Tam Bam]

I literally saw this today about this woman. She was talking about how she was in love with this man. They were, they were in love with each other and, and she got in trouble. They, he, they got pulled over. If he got the charge, he was going to do a whole bunch of time because he had, he was a third. Would have been a third time offender like that. But she never had no charges. So she was like, I'mma take the charge for you. And she was like, she was thinking because I never had no charge, I wasn't going to do no time. She said no. The judge was like, I'm going to make an example of you. And she got eight years, eight years in prison. And then she said after two years of serving time, the stopped taking her calls. Stop sending her money, stop putting money on her book, stop taking her cows and then end up with a homegirl of hers and they had a baby together. So she came home and the. She said before the baby was born, he ended up getting in trouble again for the same. But. And he got 10 years. But she had to sit down for eight whole years. She had to do the whole eight before she could come home.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. And that's. That's best bullshit. That is a lot of women's stories in prison. So men have community of hoes to take care of them, to take phone calls, depending on what type of money you had on the streets, right? You're gonna. And then not even that. They get on those dating links and stuff like that, and they won't be the fat white lady to take care of them. Like, men be having shit set up. Women really be in prison with nobody, nobody maybe their mama. You know what I'm saying? I used to always be. I was enamored at one point. I just always want to know the reason why people were going to jail. Like, the psychology of this. So I would sit for hours like Houston, if you go on their website, they actually have like the last words for like people they execute and like that their last statements. It's real eerie. And I just always would just go through to see what are people going to jail for? Like, what's the most, like, what's happening. And women, a lot of times, if you in Texas in particular, they'll have like the whole. You can read a whole case. These women be going to jail for men. So the women don't snitch. Women are way more loyal than men are. It's just facts. So snitching has always been a thing. Like I think like the no snitching rule. I should probably started with the mob, right? You know, black men love to name theyself after some mob boss, right?

[Tam Bam]

And they don't even with us like.

[AJ Holiday]

That Lucci, Gucci, whoever else, you know what I'm saying? Like, and now I was so, like confused, researching, trying to figure out what the was going on with young thug gunning all these people. You got p unfollowing little baby, little baby unfollowing on Instagram. There are white people with a million views on YouTube talking about this shit calling Atlanta Ratlanta. Like, imagine y' all are not of the culture. Y' all ain't even in the streets. So this is the bullshit y' all trying to uphold. And you got people making. You know how Much money they making off a million views, right? We can't even capitalize off of snitching. Snitching or not snitching, that's our shit. Like what are y' all doing it for at this point? So to me, the streets been dead and I just really want to redefine what a real nigga is. A real nigga is somebody who takes care of their fucking family, who's not about to crash out one second split emotion, you know what I'm saying? And leave children behind, leave their woman behind, leave their whole family behind or just even just getting murdered in the street murdering somebody else. You take out two niggas at one time. When somebody kills another, when a black man kills another black man, right? So one going to prison, one dead, right?

[Tam Bam]

At one point, so real meant something like someone solid, respected in the streets and live what they wrapped and upheld the quote. And I put that in quotations, the code. But I think the standard for a real has evolved very much in our today's society. So now it's not about crime or street ties. It's about authenticity of self, for real. Like you got like people like Kendrick Lamar and J. Cole and even Drake at times, like, who push vulnerability and healing and emotional honesty. And I think that's a different kind of real that really stands out now versus just being on some street cred shit.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, and I think Young Thug, this is the, this is the, I think what he represents, the young thug archetype of a black man, of a real nigga. I believe this is the end, right? This has always been a facade. Niggas been snitching. There has really never been any street code, no principals. These young guys, the skinny jean wearing niggas like they, they been on this type of time. Young Thug, all, all these phone calls was with Mariah the scientist. Him, him like venting to her about other n. Like just real on some real Chatty Patty shit.

[Tam Bam]

You on the phone with a scientist talking about all this.

[AJ Holiday]

She probably just sitting there like, yes, baby. Like, am I your baby?

[Tam Bam]

Like she listened to all that. That's how she.

[AJ Holiday]

Daddy, am I your baby? About none of that. Remember how she cleared her throat? That was so funny. I be doing that randomly on the phone sometime. Daddy, am I your baby girl? I know she probably sitting, laying, like how you lay next to this? He no real like how you laying next to him now? How you feel about him?

[Tam Bam]

Right? But I don't think she probably think he the realest living if she in Love with him. She don't care what nobody say. You know how that be when you're in love with a man.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. So is that tweet real? The tweet where he was saying, like, don't. Can nobody, like basically saying everybody gay in Atlanta and can nobody come around? Little baby with skinny jeans on. Did somebody tweet that?

[Tam Bam]

I don't know if that was real. It was funny though.

[AJ Holiday]

I want to know if that was real. So in one of the phone calls, she was talking about, about P basically saying like, he, you know, P is P and Coach K, they were the owners of Quality Control. I believe they sold that for like 300 M's. $300 million in 20, 23. So young thugs is basically saying like, he's a snitch also, right? So qcp, he went to Instagram, he said, imagine some broke ass rats, like. And he actually at Young Thug, Pee Wee Rat Skull. Trying to run a rat narrative on me and all my niggas that I love running with. These whole ass.

[Tam Bam]

Hold.

[AJ Holiday]

Let me back up. Trying to run a rat narrative on me and all my. That I love running with.

[Tam Bam]

I couldn't understand that.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, I think he. There's no periods.

[Tam Bam]

No.

[AJ Holiday]

No punctuation.

[Tam Bam]

No punct. Punctuation whatsoever. Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

So he said these whole ass. Knowing how these talk about me, I'm gonna say this for the last time. I'm not a street, okay? I'm a tax paying citizen that's running a business and taking care of my family. All the street is broke, dead and in jail. Why do y' all continue to glorify this street's been dead. Y' all gave the city a bad name. Now this is a real street, right?

[Tam Bam]

He said he ain't no street. He said, I'm a real. He said he's a real.

[AJ Holiday]

I'll say that this is a real. Okay, because like I said, real men take care of their families. They're not out here crashing out. Like, Young Thug has ruined the city of Atlanta for sure. He had a lot of young men that went to prison, got a lot of time. He was definitely the given direction. A lot of niggas crashed out. A lot of young boys. A lot of young guys were murdered. Like, even though they. They couldn't pinpoint everything on him, he's not innocent. He's not innocent at all. He took a plea deal because he had the money to do so. But what about goddamn Tyrone? Who. Grandma. Who was raised by his grandma. His grandma don't got no money for his defense right right there. He's been a hundred years. Get enough or money outside and you already yeah yeah.

[Tam Bam]

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[AJ Holiday]

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[Tam Bam]

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[Tam Bam]

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[AJ Holiday]

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[AJ Holiday]

Not making any money. Like that's, that's really the, the mind boggling part. Like y' all haven't even lived enough. You haven't had enough experiences for real. Most of these guys, and they just crash out real young, real early. And I do blame some of the older men, the older guys, because they'll, they'll employ the young boys to crash out for them. That's terrible. So that, that archetype needs to die as well.

[Tam Bam]

And with the globalization of hip hop, like hip hop is the biggest genre in the world right now. You got Asian rappers, Latin American, United Kingdom doing anything. And none of them like even understand or have not indoctrinated the street rules. That's no longer a thing these want to have. They want to fly luxury and lifestyle.

[AJ Holiday]

Vicariously through these crash dummies so they can Rap and have, you know, they can actually rap about the same but they're not actually doing it because they're smarter than that.

[Tam Bam]

Or they rapping about what wealth and love and like that. They not even rapping about no street.

[AJ Holiday]

It's terrible.

[Tam Bam]

And they're and those. And that type of music is outperforming drill music. Let's be clear. You know, they outperforming. You know, they doing big.

[AJ Holiday]

The drill music really did only lasted like what, a summer or two? Like two.

[Tam Bam]

No, it's still drill out there. But the. All the drill artists be dying so fast. You know, like the turnover rate is high. The turnover rate is very high for that. Or not even just dying. They going to jail. What's the Dirk?

[AJ Holiday]

Ain't nobody even talking about Dirk. I really feel like young TH might have something to do with why hemmed up right now. Because remember he beat some charges like 22, 23 and basically he blamed everything on what's the one that passed away. Girl, listen, I don't know all these drill rappers.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, I can't keep. You know, auntie don't even listen to that. The who I know you talking about. Yeah, but I can't put my finger on his name right now if I wanted to.

[AJ Holiday]

He's turning. Yeah. This conversation is definitely just coming from grown women who will be raising children in this world.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. Like if you talk to some 22 year olds, the conversation might be very different.

[AJ Holiday]

You know, like yes, but you, I'm sick of you. There are black people and there are you. Okay. Everybody ain't gonna make it.

[Tam Bam]

Right?

[AJ Holiday]

Everybody ain't gonna make it. And the real black people need to stand up.

[Tam Bam]

This is.

[AJ Holiday]

We cannot keep going after other, other groups of people. Like we can't keep blaming the man. Right. When we are doing this to our own people. At some point we got to take accountability because really it's always been us. Even the things that they do, they wouldn't would have never been able to infiltrate our communities in the way they do if they didn't have the help of a black person, of a black man in particular.

[Tam Bam]

Right. And the support. Yeah. So there's that.

[AJ Holiday]

And then why. So they're snitching like in the streets. And then there's like whistleblowing, whistleblowing in corporate. Like which whistleblowers are celebrated often. That is still a snitch. Is it not a telling on you at work?

[Tam Bam]

But no, it depends. It depends because it's not snitching because it's only Snitching in. If you were involved in the activity and then you started telling to save yourself. If you see some practices that are being violated, especially ones that can affect everybody, and you tell are you a snitch?

[AJ Holiday]

That's why I want these white youtubers stick to the whistleblowing conversations. Y' all are. Y' all are not in the streets to be calling a black person a snitch.

[Tam Bam]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

That shit rubbed me the wrong way. Even though these niggas is snitching, it just rubs me the wrong way that these people are monetizing this conversation.

[Tam Bam]

But snitches do not in fact get stitches. 6, 9, 6, 9, what's his name? He walking around perfectly fine, you know. So where are the stitches that everybody was saying all these years that people was gonna get?

[AJ Holiday]

It was a live wack 100 Tekashi 69 academics lord. And somebody else was like on a live like talking about the shit that's going. I don't know how the fuck academics stays in the midst of all this because the doesn't leave his home. Like he's in the basement streaming. So he too is just not a street. But for whatever reason, he just always has like commentary for whatever is going on. And a lot of people tune in.

[Tam Bam]

To hear he done did the research and got all the information. I think that's why they enjoy it.

[AJ Holiday]

But no, he be put. He actually also then feeds information. Like as far as I'm concerned, DJ academics is an agent of the state. Like somebody like him, Vlad tv. Like all of these characters, they are employed by. By these people. The man as far as I'm concerned. And they have in our community.

[Tam Bam]

Now they plants. See, I don't know. I. I don't follow none of these people. I'd be over here waiting for Devil Wears Product two to come out. That's where I'm at.

[AJ Holiday]

This is a life, a lifestyle podcast. Right. We gotta be a brisk aware of some of the that be going on so we can have conversations about these things.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Society and lifestyle.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, I agree. But this. This ain't my wheelhouse right here. All these RICO cases and crime I'm so far. If you would ask me this about 10 years ago, I probably would have known more about it. But at this state in my life, this is not on my. It don't come across my desk at all. I'm so far removed from that. I'll be in the car listening to R. Kelly. Y' all don't judge me. I do. So there's that.

[AJ Holiday]

What did he do now? I don't know. It's a. I don't know. I do discriminate, okay? Like, I don't. It's certain brands I don't fuck with after I hear you do certain things. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's people I don't. I stopped fucking with. I. I haven't drunk Starbucks ever since they hemmed up those two black boys, and they're. How many years ago was that that they racially profiled? And it's one store. I don't with you. I don't with Waffle House, so I.

[Tam Bam]

Don'T with, Like, I don't fuck with what R. Kelly did or his behavior, but I do with his music. Why do I have to.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, I don't separate.

[Tam Bam]

How. Why do I have to. Yeah, like, you don't separate.

[AJ Holiday]

No, he is. He is. Listen. You gotta listen to some of the lyrics in those songs. You know what I'm saying? Seems like you're ready, girl. Are you ready?

[Tam Bam]

I was listening to the greatest sex, the greatest you, the greatest me.

[AJ Holiday]

That's the best album.

[Tam Bam]

Oh, my God. Like, I cannot put it down. I'm so sorry. I wouldn't.

[AJ Holiday]

I might smash on that this week.

[Tam Bam]

It. Yeah, I'm. I'm sorry. Like, I wouldn't play for the world, like, just because it might offend other people, but can I listen to it by myself?

[AJ Holiday]

You know what I'm saying?

[Tam Bam]

It's still on itunes. Apple ain't taking down.

[AJ Holiday]

He's still making money, so.

[Tam Bam]

I don't know. Kel's one of the best to ever do it. Y'. All. I'm sorry. Forgive me. I swear.

[AJ Holiday]

Do some hypothetical situations and tell me what you would do in the situation. So you're riding with.

[Tam Bam]

I'm telling. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[AJ Holiday]

You're riding with your cousin. There's a gun in the car. You didn't know about it.

[Tam Bam]

Police.

[AJ Holiday]

Pull y' all over. What you doing?

[Tam Bam]

I'm staying quiet. I ain't saying, like, does she do. Can she speak? No, she got autism or something. She don't talk.

[AJ Holiday]

I'm gonna be standing like that lady in the court on the. The court episode when she was staring off in the air.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, that's me. I can't speak. I don't talk. She don't. She don't talk. She don't know how to talk. That's my cousin. She don't talk. I'm quiet. How.

[AJ Holiday]

Everybody. If there's, like, a RICO situation, if everybody. Really for real. If everybody just be quiet. Like, oftentimes they don't even have a case. The case is built off of what people tell.

[Tam Bam]

He's saying. Yeah, I'm not saying. I'm deaf, mute. I don't know. I don't. I don't speak. I don't do. I can't talk right. I had to force the words out of me.

[AJ Holiday]

Your co worker is stealing checks, and payroll is short. You know, your co worker stealing checks.

[Tam Bam]

Are we cool? Is this my cool co worker?

[AJ Holiday]

Because y' all cannot pick and choose. You are actually an accomplice if you know this person is doing this thing and you don't report it.

[Tam Bam]

How I know? How can you prove I know?

[AJ Holiday]

I just asked the question. I said, your co worker is stealing checks and payroll is short. Your co worker is stealing checks. You know your co worker is stealing checks.

[Tam Bam]

I don't know. I don't know what the you talking about.

[AJ Holiday]

What if when they pull her in hr, they'd be like, well, Tammy knew.

[Tam Bam]

Tammy didn't know shit. Tammy was at her desk minding her business. How I knew if I didn't get no check from her, how I knew where my check at? While we in here, let me tell.

[AJ Holiday]

Y' all a story. Y'. All. In high school, I had this teacher. I'm gonna say his name too. His name was Mr. Sheely. I don't know if he's alive now. I don't know. It was social studies. No, science. It was actually science. I had an A in the class. Mr. Sheely would do and say some questionable shit. I remember one day, I was like, Mr. Shealy, man, you need to go ahead and cut that hair off. Because he was a playful teacher. You know how you got some cool teachers? I said, you need to go ahead and. Go ahead and go completely bald, man, what you doing? And he said, I bet I got more here on my. Than you got on your. He didn't say the words, but, like, he nod, like, down. I got an A in the class maybe a couple weeks later.

[Tam Bam]

Did you.

[AJ Holiday]

Bitches who was failing the class. Hold on. Bitches who was failing the class went to the. Went to the principal, right, saying that he had been sexually harassing him, right? Y' all failing the class, though, right? So now everybody getting together, who failing? And now all of a sudden, he's, like, sexually harassing people. Somebody put my name on the list to come and testify, essentially. Girl, I got up now. I Nothing. Never heard of anything, right?

[Tam Bam]

I'm passing.

[AJ Holiday]

I Got an A. Bitch.

[Tam Bam]

But if you saw a teacher sexually harassing young students, why didn't I never.

[AJ Holiday]

Seen it happen to anybody else. I knew what I experienced, but I never saw him do or say anything else sideways to anybody else.

[Tam Bam]

Okay, yeah, just mind your business then.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, I minded my business. One, because I got an A, and two, y'. All. I know some of y', all, but.

[Tam Bam]

If you had a F, would you have joined in?

[AJ Holiday]

I wasn't gonna be failing anyway. Y' all like I was. No, I probably still wouldn't have joined in if I had an F. I deserved it. Okay, but these is who ain't doing in the class anyway. Now you want to say.

[Tam Bam]

Now you want to. But he still was inappropriate, and he don't need to be around young children.

[AJ Holiday]

It is so crazy. Like, maybe three or four years after I got out of high school, I went to my. One of my best friend's high school graduation. So now I'm like, I don't know, 22, 23. And one of our. And this was actually the social studies teaching. I cannot remember his name. Mr. Polyard. Mr. Polyard. He had, like, this red knot on his head. You know why people be having all these little weird growths on them.

[Tam Bam]

But.

[AJ Holiday]

Look at her graduate. They do. They do be having, like, weird knots and lumps and stuff. I'm at her graduation. He hugs everybody. And when he gets to me, he kisses me on my fucking mouth. And I'm standing there like. And everybody looking at me like. And you know what he said? I always wanted to do that.

[Tam Bam]

Inappropriate. Go to jail. Go to jail.

[AJ Holiday]

You always wanted to do that. I just got out of high school a couple years ago. You were my teacher. What the fuck is happening?

[Tam Bam]

But you grown now. I done heard that. Oh, you grown now.

[AJ Holiday]

Yes. I have actually had, like, a school resource officer try to haul at me, like, a couple years out of high school.

[Tam Bam]

For sure.

[AJ Holiday]

At the mall.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. I don't listen. I got some stories about doing resource offices. Yeah. But anyway. But here's that. Back to your scenario. That's your scenario, though, because if I was employed by a company and y' all might be mad at me by this, but if it was a black girl stealing the checks, I would just be like, you better stop. You about to get in trouble. But if it was a white man stealing the chicks, I'm telling. I don't know why I would do that. What? What? Why?

[AJ Holiday]

Payroll is short. Payroll that mean other employee checks are short. Because she's stealing the checks. I'm telling you, taking money out of everybody else's pocket.

[Tam Bam]

I don't want to tell on a black woman.

[AJ Holiday]

She might be taking your chat, girl. So now, in order for it has to affect you directly. See, that's where the street sign. No snitch. Never makes sense to me. People going to snitch when it's affecting them directly. But if it's somebody else's family, they don't see the need to snitch. Oh, stop snitching. Free my. Like, your is a. A demon out here.

[Tam Bam]

Okay, no, I. I get it, but I'm just saying, like, what. What y' all doing that y' all can't find out how I know and y' all don't know? Y' all somebody up here not doing their job. You know what I'm saying? Like, and I know if I know, other people know, right?

[AJ Holiday]

All right, this last one, the cops come to you with an ultimatum. Talk or take the charge.

[Tam Bam]

Ultimatum.

[AJ Holiday]

I need to hear it. Charge.

[Tam Bam]

I'm never taking the charge. I don't care what happened. I'm never taking no charge. If it don't belong to me, I'm not taking it.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Tam Bam]

If it's mine, I'll own it. But it's never gonna be mine because I am a law body. I am terrified to be in anybody's jail. So, yes, no, I'm not taking no charge.

[AJ Holiday]

I think.

[Tam Bam]

I can't think of a scenario where I would need to take a charge.

[AJ Holiday]

Your child.

[Tam Bam]

I can't think of a scenario where I would need.

[AJ Holiday]

That's exactly why I'm not. If I have a kid, I'm not tattooing my kid's name on me. Like these that grow up and disappoint you. And now, like, I'm. Everybody is their own individual person. I'm not taking a charge. You know right from wrong. I raised you right. I'm not taking charge.

[Tam Bam]

You're going to jail. I'm going to take, like, I'm going to put money on your books and I'm going to come see you, but I'm not taking no charge for you. Hell no. I am not that kind of mother. Why would you want your mama? Why would you want your mama in jail for you? You are sick. What kind of gonna let their mama go to jail for them?

[AJ Holiday]

That's what I'm trying to understand. Like, even older men letting young boys take charges for them, too, because they think because they're younger, you're not going to get as much time. This is like to me, that's. That's not love.

[Tam Bam]

No.

[AJ Holiday]

Y' all don't give a. About anybody. It's a lot of. A whole lot of selfishness in the streets.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

That's all it is. Everybody's for themselves, okay? So be for yourself. Do what's best for you. Crashing out for the next nigga. Because they will not crash out for you. Women don't be out here waiting for these niggas to come home, Especially if they ain't your husband. Go, kids, they're going to come home, they're going to get somebody pregnant the same fucking year they get out of jail, what's going to happen?

[Tam Bam]

You sound like that happened.

[AJ Holiday]

Do I? I'm always speaking from experience. Okay. It's not current.

[Tam Bam]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

Because I learned from my lessons. Right? But, Abs don't, Don't. Don't do what's best for you. Always.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. Make them. And you know what? If you think waiting on the nigga to come home from jail is best for you, then do that, too. But just be willing to suffer the consequences of that, to live with the consequences of that, whatever that is. It might turn out to be a fairy tale. Not likely, but it might. You know, you love giving hoes hope. I do.

[AJ Holiday]

Listen, because I have a homeless romantic.

[Tam Bam]

Cause I had to keep hope alive. You know what I'm saying? That's my job out here.

[AJ Holiday]

I would say more often than not, things are not going to go the way you would like them to go. Right? So do what's best for you. That is my last last. So if taking the charge for a nigga is what's best for you, so be it. Don't cry. I don't even think people realize, like, the toll it takes on a family when somebody goes to prison, especially the mother. Everybody's in jail with you. You call, you become a bill. You know what I'm saying? Like, people stop answering. People stop writing. I don't know why we glorify this shit. I remember my ex, one of his homeboys, said, basically, like, he wish he had, like, the type of clout my ex had without having to go to prison. Why are we glorifying who spent a quarter of their life in jail anyway? It's not cool.

[Tam Bam]

Oh, let me say that I'm sorry. I'm an older millennial.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, it's not cool. It's not okay. The cool thing is to get money, get a fine woman, take care of your children, start building some generational wealth, get some property, like, just relax, get a porch, get A house with a porch and sit outside, you know, like, y' all missing out on life. And you locked in a cage with a bunch of other men. Do you really like women? Is that your comfort zone?

[Tam Bam]

Right? But you know, sometimes they like women till they get in there and they find out they like some other shit too.

[AJ Holiday]

I understand that, but I really feel like those men are already have. Already they have predisposed gayness.

[Tam Bam]

Like. But I think, all right, if you got. If you got life in prison without the possibility of parole, I would just go ahead and be a gay. Right?

[AJ Holiday]

You don't need sex for survival, so you're just going to go against everything you are, right? Because I don't know, you beat your dick. You don't have to have sex with a man because you went to prison. That's a choice. Those men are already gay as far as I'm concerned. If you are willing to partake in that type of. Just because you go do some time, you're a gay man. It's okay though.

[Tam Bam]

I be a gay man it then, cuz, I mean, like, I ain't never gonna get no. You know, I ain't gonna get no. I'mma get some now. I'm a lover now.

[AJ Holiday]

The last, last fool.

[Tam Bam]

I would be happy if the streets did die and people started being more focused on the things that bring black community back, you know? Yeah. So yeah, my last, last is let the streets die. Let it die. Let that era be over, you know, for us. We need bigger and better things. We're on to bigger and better things. Amen. Period.

[AJ Holiday]

RIP my I love you black people.

[Tam Bam]

Amen to that.

[AJ Holiday]

All right, y', all, if you enjoyed this auntie rant, right, y', all, please tune in every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app or wherever the you get your podcast at. This is your co host, AJ Holiday on 2.0. I mean 2.0 on Instagram.

[Tam Bam]

Kick it down, y'. All. It's official. Tam Bam on Instagram. Also follow we talk Back podcast on Instagram. Send us your dumb stories and what else Send us. Oh, we want to have a conversation about motherhood. You made a post requesting. What was your post? You made a post request.

[AJ Holiday]

I wanted to know. Right? This is the. This is the Judgment Olympics. Was the post I put up. Tell me a time. We want to see who's who gets judged the most. Essentially women with no children or single moms.

[Tam Bam]

So y' all send us a DM with your information on that or you can call what's the number you know it by heart.

[AJ Holiday]

I don't. Y' all look at the post.

[Tam Bam]

Okay? Yeah, there's go look on that Don't We Talk Back podcast page, y'. All. And we love y' all for chiming in and sharing your life with us. All right, kick it.

[AJ Holiday]

Remember y' all speak now.

[Tam Bam]

Oh, I. That's not your line. That's mine, ain't it?

[AJ Holiday]

But never hold them streets.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. Period.

[AJ Holiday]

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[Tam Bam]

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[Tam Bam]

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[Tam Bam]

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