STHU For 72 Hrs

Summary

We Talk Back – “STHU for 72 Hrs”

Podcast: The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartPodcasts
Hosts: TamBam & AJ Holiday
Release Date: July 9, 2026
Theme: Reflecting on viral trends, internet culture, and social media’s impact (for better or worse) on Black women’s lives, relationships, and self-image, with classic We Talk Back comedic candor and raw honesty.

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Episode Overview

In “STHU for 72 Hrs,” TamBam and AJ Holiday dive deep into the phenomenon of viral challenges, ever-shifting internet trends, and the blurred line between culture and clout. With their signature wit, personal stories, and unfiltered perspectives, they unpack how these trends influence identity, relationships, and even collective sanity — especially for Black women. The hosts also debate hot-button issues including work participation, AI in music and social media, family structures, and how over-sharing online can have lasting consequences.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Catching Up: 4th of July Weekend & Summer Vibes

Timestamps: 02:41–05:00

• TamBam talks about skipping outdoor plans due to the heat and embracing rest over forcing herself to socialize.
• AJ reminisces about the era of legendary local clubs and the pressure to “be outside,” contrasting it with just listening to her body’s needs.
• Memorable Moment:

  “I had all these plans...I did not go to nothing. Like, I just could not be bothered. It was so hot. I can't move. And I didn't.” — TamBam (03:45)

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2. Where Are the Working Men? Employment Stats, Side Hustles & Gender Roles

Timestamps: 05:06–10:44

• The hosts react to a startling statistic: one-third of American men are not working or looking for work.
• Discussion covers:
  • The mismatch between labor market data and what they see during weekday brunches.
  • Changing definitions of work (“day traders,” influencers, entrepreneurs).
  • Women still “doing the most,” often multitasking more than men — working during beauty appointments.
• Notable Quote:

  “Women probably be working from home and they just be dipping out, you know what I’m saying? Dipping out on the job. Who knows?” — Guest (09:36)

  “That was the goal with AI — so people wouldn’t have to do these trivial jobs anymore...” — AJ (10:44)

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3. Women Are (Often) Right: Science Confirms Female Argument Superpowers

Timestamps: 12:47–17:03

• Highlighting a Cambridge study proving women excel at reading emotions and resolving conflicts.
• Hilarious recounting of “the talk” dynamic in relationships:
  • Men call a “we need to talk,” then offer no real talk or feedback.
  • Women express all their feelings, men respond with silence or “you got it.”
• Profound Recognition:

  “Sometimes people be committed to misunderstanding you. Their commitment is more to misunderstanding than to understanding.” — TamBam (16:51)

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4. Celebrity Families & Black Wealth Narratives

Timestamps: 17:03–21:36

• Dissecting Matthew Knowles’ viral comments about the Knowles family’s longstanding financial success before Destiny’s Child.
• Side notes on Tina Knowles’ divorce, gumbo-making mishaps, and seasoning debates (“Black people over season things!”).
• Candid perspective on generational wealth and Black entrepreneurship.

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5. Social Media Trends: Entertaining or Programming Us?

Timestamps: 22:01–26:33

• Transition to this episode’s central reflection:

  “Are today’s viral moments entertaining us, or exposing us?”

• Hosts argue most trends are social programming and not as accidental as they seem.

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6. Wild Trends: Crate Challenge, Pickleball, Soft Life, & More

Timestamps: 26:36–36:36

• Doordash: Leaving food on the ground—normalized, but “We’re losing our minds.”
• Crate Challenge: “Half y’ all niggas ain’t have no healthcare.” (28:58)
• Soft Life & Morning Routines: Aspirational or just more content? “Is it healing or luxury marketing?”
• Mannequin Challenge: Hidden symbolism beneath viral fun; hosts question why certain songs/trends go so viral so quickly—with a dash of conspiracy!
• Thought-provoking quote:

  “You’re not just doing it. Something is making you do this… because you’re a follower, for real, in real life.” — AJ (32:40)

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7. AI is Taking Over: Music, Modeling, and Relationships

Timestamps: 38:03–41:22

• AI’s infiltration: viral songs by “artists” that don’t exist, lawmakers and performers warning about the erasure of authentic Black creativity.
• Models now sell their likeness; careers become obsolete as brands create infinite images using AI.
• Fears for creative professions, and the existential “maybe we should all get in on the AI hustle.”

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8. Performative Kindness & Newsworthy Tragedies: When Doing Good Goes Viral

Timestamps: 41:42–46:22

• Critiquing the morality of filming oneself while helping others—does it inspire or exploit?
• AJ and TamBam trade stories about trying to help neighbors, giving rides to teens finessing money, and being hustled by ambitious youth.
• Quote:

  “I’m torn about that. I like watching people do good, but sometimes it feels like taking advantage of someone's misfortune.” — TamBam (69:05)

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9. Content, Privacy, and Generational Trauma Online

Timestamps: 50:36–56:14

• Hosts react to viral videos where children confront estranged mothers/parents on camera.
• Discussion of public-shaming, internet permanence (“It’s not pencil, it’s pen”), and the risks of “posting for clout” at the expense of real healing.
• Emotional, vulnerable talk on family secrets and the dangers of airing out trauma online.
• Quote:

  “We see those kinds of videos, too — at Thanksgiving, a bitch is feeling froggy and now has to let this nigga live another day. She exposing him around the internet. … Is that for the internet, though? Should that be content?” — AJ (54:10)

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10. Game Time: Trend Round-Up — Healthy, Harmless, or Harmful? (Lightning Round)

Timestamps: 58:31–63:42

• “Quiet luxury”? Healthy — aspirational, motivating.
• “Trad wives”? Healthy — important to see various models of womanhood & family life.
• “Ozempic for weight loss”? Worried — concerns over extreme weight loss, stigma, and side effects.
  • Notable Quote:

    “I heard that shit make your coochie loose. That was all I needed to hear.” — TamBam (63:07)

• “Morning routines” & “Get Ready With Me” videos? Harmful for promoting unrealistic standards.

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11. Culture or Clout: Where’s the Line?

Timestamps: 69:05–70:30

• Giving to the homeless on camera: Admired for the good, but sometimes exploitative.
• Announcing social media “quits”: Often just attention-seeking for engagement, not authentic boundaries.
• AJ laments:

  “The shit is fucking weird how people really are. And if this is what human is, this is probably why I always be saying I ain't human, because I don't like it.” (71:11)

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12. Internet Permanence, Online Discourse, and Mindful Consumption

Timestamps: 74:44–75:46

• Final thoughts: The internet is forever; beware what you post.
• Consuming negative, toxic, or trivial trends can compromise your real-life vibe and self-worth.
• Strong advice:

  “Be careful and very mindful of the things that you consume. ... It affects your frequency. It affects your vibe.” — TamBam (75:14)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On the perils of social media oversharing:

  “It’s not pencil, it’s pen. It’s there forever.” — Guest (57:00)

• On internet fights:

  “Sometimes people be committed to misunderstanding you ... their commitment is more to misunderstanding than understanding.” — TamBam (16:51)

• On soft life and luxury content:

  “Is it healing or is it just like luxury marketing?” — Guest (34:25)

• On AI in music:

  “They are stealing soul. ... They’re using AI to create soul. So they don’t need the Black artists anymore, either.” — AJ (38:27)

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Episode Flow by Timestamp Highlights

• 02:41 — Intro, summer check-in, authentic downtime vs. social pressure
• 05:06 — Labor statistics, men and work, brunch observations
• 12:47 — Study: Women’s emotional advantage in arguments
• 22:01 — “Are trends entertaining us or exposing us?”
• 26:36 — Doordash/Eats, the “crate challenge,” viral mimicry, and programming
• 38:03 — AI and music/artistry
• 41:42 — Filming kindness, performative giving
• 50:36 — Family content, trauma as entertainment
• 58:31 — Trend lightning round
• 69:05 — Culture vs. clout
• 74:44 — Closing advice: Mindful content consumption

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Takeaways & Final Advice

(TamBam & AJ’s “Last, Last”)

• Pause before jumping on internet trends; wait 72 hours and see if it still makes sense.
• The internet is forever — post mindfully.
• Avoid doom-scrolling and consider what energy you’re taking in with each scroll.
• “Speak now, and hold on fucking trends for 72 hours. Just shut the fuck up and get off the internet for 72 hours.” — TamBam (76:20)

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Overall Tone

Unapologetic, funny, deeply observant, and fiercely pro-Black women. With warmth, honesty, and a touch of petty, TamBam and AJ remind listeners to be intentional about their online identities and choices, and to always think twice before chasing that next viral moment.

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This summary covers the core conversations and spirit of “STHU for 72 Hrs,” offering listeners who missed the episode a vivid, comprehensive picture of what went down.

Transcript

[AJ Holiday]

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[AJ Holiday]

to We Talk Back podcast, a production

[Guest 1]

of iHeartRadio and the Black Effect Network.

[Tam Bam]

We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who talk back.

[AJ Holiday]

What's up, y'?

[Tam Bam]

All?

[AJ Holiday]

It's your girl, A.J. holiday. What's up, Tam bizzle?

[Tam Bam]

Hey, not Tam bizzle.

[Guest 2]

Hey.

[Tam Bam]

I love y'.

[Tony Ayo]

All.

[Tam Bam]

I missed y'.

[Guest 2]

All.

[Tam Bam]

Thank y' all for coming back again this week. How was your weekend, girl?

[Guest 1]

Oh, it was 4th of July, right?

[Tam Bam]

It was. So

[Guest 1]

I went to my best friend's house. She had like a little get together at her dad's house.

[AJ Holiday]

Lot of drinking.

[Guest 1]

I didn't drink any liquor, but I drunk wine and still ruined my Sunday because I just was slow and fucking lethargic.

[AJ Holiday]

So that's all it was eating.

[Guest 1]

And I still was kind of like trying to stick to my live it not diet.

[Guest 2]

Get it? Yeah, I'll live it.

[Guest 1]

So I was still trying to stay away from carbs and sugar chow. So whatever that looked like for a holiday weekend, let me tell you, I

[Tam Bam]

had all these plans. Like, Caresha was at Stats on Sunday. I was like, yeah, I'm outside this weekend. I had plans to go to barbecues, pool parties. I didn't go to shit. I did not go to nothing. Like, I just could not be bothered. Like, it was so hot. It was next level hot. And I was like, I'm not. I can't move. And I didn't. After I got off work, I took a shower. Was like, yeah, I'm take a shower. Take a power nap. I woke up, it was the next day.

[Guest 1]

Girl, you got to lay down when your body tell you to. Yeah, so that ain't a bad thing. Stamps is like the longest running club now at this point in Colombia, right? Yeah, that's been open like a good 10 years now. Yeah, that's. They doing real well.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, they. They having a good run and they still bring out all the best artists. And it's big inside, you know, so they can pack it out. Yeah, but I ain't seen.

[Guest 1]

Had seen like a. She was performing or it was just like a meet and greetings.

[Tam Bam]

It was just like hosting.

[Guest 1]

No, she just been in there standing around.

[Tam Bam]

Got it. Yeah. Dancing a little bit, I'm sure.

[Guest 1]

Got it. Well, let's get into sins.

[Tam Bam]

Let's get into it.

[Guest 1]

So I saw this article.

[AJ Holiday]

Listen, I don't know what's real or

[Guest 1]

what's fake on the Internet. I feel like some of these headlines, it just match stupid Internet news. Whether it's real or not, it's stupid shit Sins. So this article and I. I do believe that this is an accurate or real article, but it says one third men in America are not working or looking for a job. Right now, the male labor force participation rate dropped to 67%. So it says a growing share of American men. And this is not just black men. Okay, so don't become a fuss. A growing share of American men are sitting outside the workforce entirely, raising new concerns about the direction of the US Economy and the long term social effects of men becoming disconnected from work. According to recent labor data, the male labor force participation rate has fallen to around 67% for men ages 16 and older, meaning roughly one in three men are not working and are not actively looking for a job. The labor force participation rate counts people who either have a job or are actively seeking one. So men outside that group are not counted as unemployed. They are considered out of the labor force. So if you are 16 plus and they don't see you working anywhere, the assumption is that you don't work or you're not generating, you're not producing. The decline is part of a decades long trend. Federal labor projections show that men ages 16 and older had a labor force participation rate of 73.3 in 2024. I mean, excuse me, 2004. 69.2% in 2014 and 68% in 2024. The Bureau of Labor Statistics projects that that figure could fall to 65.8 by 2034. And I probably should have just skipped some of this, but I wanted to understand why this is happening. Right. So it says several factors are driving the drop. More older men are retiring. Some younger men are staying in school longer. That's a good thing. Some have disabilities or health issues and are seeking, excuse me, that are keeping them from seeking work. There's also a mismatch in the labor market. Many of the fastest growing jobs are in fields like healthcare and education. While some traditionally male heavy industries have faced slower growth or job loss. Yeah, the headline can sound like an unemployment crisis, but it's different from the unemployment rate. A man who is not working but is also not searching for work is not counted as unemployed. That means the unemployment rate can stay relatively low even while millions of men are no longer participating participating in the force at all. So do we think they're.

[AJ Holiday]

Well, you know, are these, are these where the scamming ass niggas at?

[Tam Bam]

That's what I'm about to say. It's funny that you mention this because I went to brunch with my homegirl on a Tuesday afternoon and it was like packed as fuck. And I was like, why is nobody at work?

[Guest 2]

Why is there so many people at

[Tam Bam]

brunch on a Tuesday at 11 o'? Clock? And I'm talking about. It was all kind of people in there. I'm like, nobody works anymore. No, nobody works.

[Guest 1]

I've always thought for a long time that white men didn't work because they oftentimes they're. They're investing, right? They like day. Day traders and stuff like that. You see them out in the middle of the day all the time.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Guest 1]

They play golf in the middle of the day.

[AJ Holiday]

So I, I think maybe a lot

[Guest 1]

more, you know, a lot more black men may be getting into stock market, that type of stuff, or they're entrepreneurship

[Tam Bam]

income that doesn't require you to sit in an office or at a desk.

[Guest 1]

Right.

[Tam Bam]

Or in a factory or something like that.

[Guest 1]

So technically they're not unemployed. I just wonder how they collect the data for real. Right, right. Or maybe they go off of like, taxes and stuff like that. Because if you're not filing taxes or taxes being taken out of a paycheck by way of a. A company you're working at, like how kind of off the radar, basically. So I don't know. I mean, I've been one of them.

[Guest 2]

But why only men?

[Tam Bam]

I saw a lot of women in there, too.

[AJ Holiday]

Women probably be working from home and

[Guest 1]

they just be dipping out, you know what I'm saying? Dipping out on the job. Who knows?

[AJ Holiday]

I don't know.

[Tam Bam]

When I'm doing hair, I have clients

[Guest 2]

in there with two laptops and they

[Tam Bam]

left working two jobs at the same time while they're getting their hair done. So.

[Guest 1]

Yeah, so I don't know. I don't know.

[AJ Holiday]

But it's kind of telling, though, you know what I'm saying? Like, you got women who are making

[Guest 1]

their standards even more higher, right? And then the men are complaining about it because there are certain qualifications to get coochie that, you know, women are now just now trying to enforce and

[AJ Holiday]

they be mad because they don't got the money for the. Yeah, I got the money for the boost.

[Guest 2]

I got the pussy for the money. I don't know.

[AJ Holiday]

Y' all better get to work. And this is not just black people, Black men. This is just the total sum of American men. What the y' all doing playing video games? You know, I think wasn't this the goal, though? Wasn't this the whole goal with AI

[Guest 1]

was for, you know, people to not

[AJ Holiday]

have to do, like, all these trivial type jobs anymore? Like, I would take care of it

[Guest 1]

so we can spend more time being creatives. And you guys, everybody's a. Yeah, everybody's a social media influencer now.

[Tam Bam]

But I saw this. A video of a. Of a robot trying to shovel snow.

[Guest 2]

Fucking hilarious. We're not there yet. We are from where we need to be for AI the air takeover child.

[Guest 1]

Well, they at least trying to get the. Those, the self driving 18 wheelers and stuff like that, which is very scary to me. Cause you know how much damage an 18 wheeler can cause.

[Tam Bam]

That's terrifying.

[AJ Holiday]

When I was in Atlanta, in Atlanta for the live show, I could not believe all these.

[Guest 1]

What do they call it?

[AJ Holiday]

Autonomous cars driving around like people actually getting in them and allowing these cars

[Guest 2]

to drop them places they would never get.

[AJ Holiday]

They would never. This is total recall.

[Tam Bam]

First of all, I need somebody else life on the line with me. Not just mine.

[Guest 2]

Fuck that, right?

[AJ Holiday]

Like what? And then what if. See this? My mind go take shit even further. Like we already know a certain amount

[Guest 1]

of people gotta die every year, right?

[AJ Holiday]

So now you calculating.

[Guest 1]

All our cars now have computers in them where they can make your brakes fuck up or they can cut your engine off while you driving on an interstate causing accident.

[AJ Holiday]

Now you hopping in the car with

[Guest 1]

a robot driving or whoever.

[AJ Holiday]

You know, the car is driving by itself. What if they just need to take a few people out Today we're going. We're gonna do y' all in these cars the hell.

[Tam Bam]

And it would be so simple.

[Guest 1]

Won't get me like an accident. Yeah, you then your family.

[Guest 2]

At least let me get in the driver's seat.

[Guest 1]

God damn. I'm grabbing the wheel.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, so I can.

[Guest 2]

I can take over and jump off like that should be an option.

[Tam Bam]

Like you just sit in the driver's seat.

[Guest 2]

No, you sitting in the back.

[Guest 1]

No, these people nuts, man.

[Tony Ayo]

Nuts.

[Tam Bam]

All right, so listen to this study reveals that women are often right in arguments.

[Guest 1]

Yes.

[Guest 2]

Not that we needed a study to notice, but here we are. All right. According to a study by the University

[Tam Bam]

of Cambridge involving over 300,000 participants across 57 countries, found that women excel in understanding emotions, which aids in resolving conflicts. The study using the Reading the Mind and the Eyes test revealed that women scored higher on tests measuring emotional awareness and empathy. This ability allows them to interpret emotional cues more accurately, improving their communication and problem solving skills during arguments. Women's heightened emotional insight helps them make informed decisions, giving them an advantage in conflict resolution. Yeah, I mean they wasted time doing this study.

[Guest 2]

Who the fuck didn't know that women are better at this, you know, and

[AJ Holiday]

that's why men hate it because they don't be having a response for the shit.

[State Farm Ad Voice]

Right?

[Guest 1]

It usually be some shit like, man, you crazy.

[Guest 2]

Let me talk. See, that's the problem. You won't let me talk.

[AJ Holiday]

And they say nothing, but, go ahead, I'm gonna let you say nothing.

[Guest 2]

And then instead of actually talking, all you're going to do is keep saying, hi, don't let you talk.

[Guest 1]

Oh, a nigga is schedule a talk with you like, we need to talk, and then you end up the only person talking.

[AJ Holiday]

I thought you said we need to talk. Why am I the only person expressing all my grievances and you have zero to say, right? What the hell? We don't need to talk.

[Guest 1]

Actually, I'm talking myself out this relationship. That's what's happening.

[AJ Holiday]

Listen, I remember being in couples therapy.

[Guest 1]

Like, we were there to stay together. Well, he was there to stay together. I really went to couples therapy to break up.

[AJ Holiday]

And once I sat and told this therapist our story and the things that had transpired over the years, it took

[Guest 1]

approximately four hours to do so, and we had to pay that man well. Right, right.

[AJ Holiday]

Once I sat there and he had no objections. Like, he's on the phone too.

[Guest 1]

Like, he had nothing to say. Like, you lying. Nothing. No objections to any of the shit I was fucking saying for four hours.

[AJ Holiday]

And after I said all those things

[Guest 1]

out loud, I'm like, okay, yeah, this is. This is it. Now I feel stupid. I feel stupid regurgitating all this shit, all this bullshit.

[AJ Holiday]

And he had nothing to say.

[Guest 1]

No arguments, no objections. You know, add your grievances in.

[AJ Holiday]

What's the problems you got with me?

[Guest 2]

He's like, you got it, you got it, you got it.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, all this shit is fucking true, men. I don't know, man. And now a who can't argue with you like charlamagne. Now we calling them sassy.

[Guest 2]

I hate to go back and forth with this nigga,

[Tam Bam]

right?

[Guest 1]

It's exhausting.

[Guest 2]

Here come this nigga with actual points

[AJ Holiday]

and data and articles. This shit still be skewed, though. Like when people start sending you articles and she like, listen, I can also

[Guest 1]

find some shit online that supports what I'm also saying.

[Guest 2]

You can find some shit online to support anything.

[Guest 1]

Yes. So, I mean, you still don't have a point, my nigga. I argue a nigga to the death. I argue anybody to the death, actually.

[Guest 2]

I get tired, I turn into them. I turn into a nigga. You got it, you got it, you got it.

[AJ Holiday]

I was just telling my mom a couple weeks ago. Like, the difference between her and I is that like, she gets so flustered and upset to where she can't even

[Guest 1]

articulate what her points. Right?

[AJ Holiday]

I get mad because I know I

[Guest 1]

have overly over time also in this

[AJ Holiday]

moment and in previous moments, I have explicitly stated expectations. All these things. And you act like you don't understand. That's when I get fucking mad. That's when I start yelling like I'm

[Guest 1]

at least tell you what time it is or what I expect.

[AJ Holiday]

And you got the opportunity to also

[Guest 1]

do the same, right?

[AJ Holiday]

I get frustrated and start yelling.

[Guest 1]

When a nigga act like they don't understand that that gets on my damn nerves.

[Tam Bam]

Well, sometimes people be committed to misunderstanding you. And that's why you just gotta like be like, you got it. Because some people, literally, their commitment is more to misunderstanding than understanding.

[Guest 1]

I agree, y'. All.

[AJ Holiday]

Beyonce daddy is out here on Beyonce

[Guest 1]

Internet saying, we've been had that check when Beyonce was. He said 19, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85.

[AJ Holiday]

Like Beyonce grew up in a nice ass house. We had one of the biggest hair salons, best hair salons in Houston, Texas. I invested in my wife and that's how we were able to create Destiny's Child. Because I guess for years people have

[Guest 1]

been telling him, or you know, insinuating, right, that the Knowles family wasn't successful up until, you know, Destiny's Child, right?

[Tam Bam]

Like Destiny's Child made them rich. And he said I was. I had a million when Beyonce was 4. Please don't play with me. Let me pop my shit. But I'm trying to figure out what

[Guest 1]

the hell was he doing on TS Madison podcast.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, that was. How did that happen and why?

[Guest 1]

I have no idea. I have no idea. I wish he would come on. We talk back for sure.

[Tam Bam]

Me too.

[Guest 1]

Give me one second. Ah, what the hell.

[Tam Bam]

But methy knows you might fuck around

[Guest 2]

and be giving Beyonce a brother.

[AJ Holiday]

Beyonce, he got like a younger kid, right?

[Guest 1]

Mm, yeah, he got like a younger kid, like a little girl, I guess that they really don't fuck with like that that he made while still married.

[Tam Bam]

I thought it was a little boy

[Guest 1]

or maybe he got both. I'm pretty sure it was a little girl though.

[AJ Holiday]

But yeah, he like quit playing with him.

[Guest 2]

Seem like he a real nigga though.

[AJ Holiday]

No, I definitely.

[Guest 1]

I do. I like him. And you know, after Tina Knowles last divorce, I'm like, girl, you might be the problem because I would watch some of the interviews between her and her ex husband.

[Tam Bam]

She just.

[AJ Holiday]

She just randomly say outlandish shit.

[Guest 1]

And she make a motherfucker smell feel this little.

[AJ Holiday]

And that man was fine as hell.

[Guest 1]

Okay. Not saying looks to everything. I don't know what else he had. He's an actor, but it just seemed

[Guest 2]

like it was fine.

[Guest 1]

Yes.

[Tam Bam]

Like the fine old man, how you that? How you fumble him? But Tina fine too. She fine for life.

[Guest 1]

Extra.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, I heard that gumbo way hitting on Texas rodeo. But he was fire,

[Guest 1]

you know, quit playing.

[AJ Holiday]

Matthew.

[Guest 2]

It's hard to mass produce gumbo though, like, and just have it consistent.

[AJ Holiday]

I think it should be one of the easiest things. No, I mean, it's just really easy.

[Tam Bam]

I'd be feeling like it's hard to

[Guest 2]

get like big ass batches enough to

[Tam Bam]

feed a rodeo to all taste consistent. But I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I ain't never made gumbo before.

[Guest 1]

I mean, me either. But I made like okra soup and stuff like that. And I mean, really, it's same all your vegetables and then it just boils down to your seasoning.

[Guest 2]

Right?

[Guest 1]

For real. So.

[Guest 2]

But that's the part though.

[Guest 1]

She probably was making that white lady gumbo,

[Guest 2]

right? The white side. Because I know it's a little white mixing in there. No shade. Because you know what I have? I know it's white people that listen to the show and be like, they hate us, but we don't. Y' all know, y' all don't be putting that much season on.

[Guest 1]

I feel like black people over season things. So I'm kind of like in the middle with it. They, you know, we will put every seasoning in the cabinet. And that's not cooking.

[AJ Holiday]

It's not cooking.

[Guest 1]

If you putting everything.

[AJ Holiday]

Why everything tastes like lorries, you know what I'm saying?

[Guest 1]

Why everything tastes like seasoning, salt.

[Tam Bam]

Let me tell you something. I was at one of my white friend's house and I was making chicken

[Guest 2]

and I think like, I had something to prove with the seasoning. So I went a little crazy. Both of us had to choke that chicken down. Like, give me some water, God damn it.

[AJ Holiday]

It was salty.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, it was too salty. Yeah, it was all my.

[Guest 2]

It was my fault because I was just like, they don't season. And I just, I went too far. The ancestors told me to stop and I said, more.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. Like, I feel like you can season

[Guest 1]

more with like your herbs and, and vegetables and stuff like that too. Like, I use a lot of onions, garlic. Like, I don't use a whole bunch of salt in my food.

[AJ Holiday]

And then Black people be having multiple multi seasonings that already has sodium in it. So now you add in regular salt plus every. All these other mixed seasonings, you adding

[Guest 1]

to some shit also got salt in it. Like girl saltiness.

[Tam Bam]

Right?

[Guest 2]

And then wonder why we got.

[Tam Bam]

What is it?

[Guest 2]

Congestive heart failure.

[AJ Holiday]

Exactly.

[Guest 1]

High blood pressure.

[Tam Bam]

High blood pressure.

[AJ Holiday]

Leave that goddamn accent alone.

[Guest 1]

That msg.

[AJ Holiday]

Anyway, y', all, let's get into this week's episode. So every week something new is dominating

[Guest 1]

social media a lot. But the trends are not random.

[AJ Holiday]

And I, you know, I do think

[Guest 1]

it's like it's social programming as far as I'm concerned. But they do reveal what we're afraid

[AJ Holiday]

of, what we're chasing, who we idolize. Okay.

[Guest 1]

And what we're willing to overlook for the sake of entertainment.

[AJ Holiday]

So this episode asks whether today's viral moments are entertaining us or exposing us.

[Guest 1]

Let's talk about it.

[Tam Bam]

All right. Let's get into it. We'll be right back.

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[AJ Holiday]

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[Lily Chu]

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[AJ Holiday]

All right, y', all, so we're back.

[Guest 1]

And let me ask you this, Tammy.

[AJ Holiday]

What was a trend that made you

[Guest 1]

think we losing our minds? Anything you could think of?

[Tam Bam]

You know what? This is not necessarily social media, but like with doordash And Uber eats having people leave your food on the ground. There was a time.

[AJ Holiday]

I know you ain't talking.

[Guest 1]

Those are your favorite things.

[Guest 2]

Exactly.

[Tam Bam]

But there was a time, if a delivery person left your food on the ground, you would be livid.

[Guest 1]

Right.

[Tam Bam]

You would be irate.

[Guest 2]

Why is my pizza on the ground now?

[Guest 1]

It's normal.

[Tam Bam]

Put my pizza on the ground and I'll meet it there. That's. You know, that's weird that that's normal now.

[Guest 1]

Yeah. I don't do the Uber eats and all that stuff because I just don't know how these people cars are. I mean, recently I had an ants in my car because I was parked by ant nest and it was raining daily. I had hella ants in my car. I had to fumigate my car.

[AJ Holiday]

So I can only imagine you have people who have cockroaches in their car.

[Target Ad Voice]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

You don't know how these people cars

[Guest 1]

look, how their hands look like.

[AJ Holiday]

I just. It's already enough that somebody else is

[Guest 1]

cooking my food in a restaurant.

[AJ Holiday]

Now I'm trusting somebody to put it

[Guest 1]

in their car and bring it while they picking boogers and digging they ass to drop it off on my porch where more ants and bugs and a dog could possibly come grab it.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, it's just.

[Guest 1]

Yeah. Cool on that trend.

[Tam Bam]

Listen, they staple the bags now. They staple it shut. You can't get into it.

[Guest 1]

Or they use the receipt to, like, tape it closed.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. So you can tell if it's been tampered with. Because I know one time somebody ate half of my food. I could tell, like, your fries is missing.

[Guest 2]

It wasn't even fries.

[Tam Bam]

It was like chicken over rice. And it looked like they ate half of it. And then they took, like, a fork and like, smooth what was left out and make it look full because it was so lightweight. And I would order this meal all the time, so I knew, like, what the portion size looked like.

[Guest 1]

Girl.

[Guest 2]

What?

[Tam Bam]

It definitely ate half of my food.

[Guest 1]

Shame.

[Tam Bam]

Fucking fat ass.

[AJ Holiday]

Let me see. I think when we started doing, like, the crate challenge. That's now during COVID that's really when

[Guest 1]

people lost their minds the fucking most. Because people was in the house and just doing anything on the Internet for clicks, likes and shares. I swear to God, that goddamn crate

[AJ Holiday]

challenge, half y' all niggas that was doing that shit ain't have no healthcare.

[Guest 1]

You got broken bones now.

[Tam Bam]

I think one girl died, broke her neck.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, what was that?

[Tam Bam]

Boredom?

[AJ Holiday]

What was that like, why were y' all climbing out those damn crates like

[Guest 1]

that in the building pyramids.

[Tam Bam]

I'm talking about tall ass crates.

[AJ Holiday]

Where the fuck y' all got the crates from? Where the crates came from.

[Guest 2]

Exactly.

[Tam Bam]

I haven't seen climbing they stupid ass up there.

[AJ Holiday]

The only place I remember seeing crates like that was when, you know, working at my aunt restaurant when I was a kid. And I don't even think they have crates like that anymore for sodas. Where the hell y' all got all those crates from?

[Guest 2]

I don't know.

[AJ Holiday]

They sell crates in the store.

[Guest 2]

2020.

[Tam Bam]

Because it's like 20, 20, 21. Where did y' all find him? Craze.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. And like for people to think that they just all of a sudden just somebody said, hey, let's do this. And then it just went viral. I just don't agree.

[Guest 1]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

I think the first person who did

[Guest 1]

it was a fucking CIA agent. And then y' all niggas picked it up on the Internet.

[AJ Holiday]

We aren't creating these trends oftentimes, right?

[Tam Bam]

Cause why?

[AJ Holiday]

I don't know. But I even think like during COVID like with pickleball.

[Guest 1]

Right? Pickleball became very popular then.

[AJ Holiday]

But I know words have power, so I'm like, is this like a trigger word for something? Because how is it all of a sudden everything and it's still everything is pickleball.

[Tam Bam]

Pickleball. Ain't nothing but throwing the ball at the wall.

[AJ Holiday]

That's jail shit.

[Guest 2]

Low key tennis, right?

[Tony Ayo]

Yes.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, it just like. It's almost like a trigger word for something to then happen there.

[Guest 1]

And there's another word I refuse to say.

[AJ Holiday]

So soda. So.

[Guest 1]

So do so remember on Tick Tick

[AJ Holiday]

Tick Tock, it was like, this is. So what was.

[Guest 1]

How did people say it? D E M U R E O. Yes.

[Guest 2]

Demir.

[Guest 1]

Yes. I refuse to say that shit because why?

[AJ Holiday]

What was that? I. I saw where it started with

[Guest 1]

a guy on TikTok. Yeah. Makeup artist.

[AJ Holiday]

Was he just like, this is very. I'm like, but why did. Why did that become a Trend? Like how 6, 7, 6, 7, 6 7.

[Tam Bam]

There is no rhyme or reason why. You even ask the kids why and they don't even know why. It's just.

[AJ Holiday]

That's what I'm saying. Have you ever listened to the song that 67 shit came from?

[Guest 1]

Yes. And it's not good.

[Tam Bam]

So I thought it was a guy who. I thought it was like Lamelo Ball or one of those ball niggas. And they was asking him how tall he was. Like, like 6, 6, 6, 7.

[Guest 1]

No, it's a song associated with that 67 shit.

[Tam Bam]

Did it come before that conversation or

[Guest 1]

after, I think after. I mean, or maybe before. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

But, yeah, those are. Those are the trends that made me like what I. Anytime people, everybody going left, I'm going

[Guest 1]

right, and vice versa every time.

[AJ Holiday]

Because I know that this. This people see everything, mostly surface level.

[Guest 1]

And this.

[AJ Holiday]

This shit is not happenstance, nothing. We all living in the Truman Show. So if you think you just arbitrarily doing this thing, it's just. It's not.

[Guest 1]

You're not just doing it. Something is making you do this, and

[Tam Bam]

you're checking themselves, essentially.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah.

[Guest 1]

Because you're a follower, like, for real in real life.

[Tam Bam]

But were there any trends that you did jump on that mannequin challenge? Had a nigga like, let's do the mannequin challenge.

[Guest 2]

I couldn't wait to be a mannequin every five fucking minutes.

[AJ Holiday]

I never did it.

[Tam Bam]

You did it. Did you do it?

[Guest 2]

I was a mannequin at least seven times with seven different groups of motherfuckers. Baby. I love to freeze. I still be doing that shit. When somebody on FaceTime and they ask me for some shit, I will get frozen real quick.

[Guest 1]

Like, why was that song associated with stopping and freezing?

[Tam Bam]

Hmm.

[Guest 1]

The video wasn't about.

[AJ Holiday]

The video wasn't about it. About that.

[Guest 2]

What?

[Guest 1]

Why was being a mannequin, Right. A fake person, a fake thing?

[AJ Holiday]

Nothing associated with that song. And why was that the song for it?

[Guest 1]

For the mannequin challenge? Who knows?

[AJ Holiday]

That's what I'm saying. Like, this shit is fucking weird to me, and I just don't understand. Why don't nobody else think like that. I don't understand, like, y' all not

[Guest 1]

doing these things because y' all want to. Some other examples of, like, viral trends is, like, soft life. Soft life. Content.

[Tam Bam]

Is soft life even real? I think it's just content.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

Them same people be, like, doing all this soft shit, and then as soon as they stop, they screaming at, sit the fuck down.

[AJ Holiday]

You kids are driving me crazy.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[Guest 1]

Is it healing or is it just like luxury marketing?

[Guest 2]

Basically.

[Guest 1]

Basically. I like to see people living good, you know?

[AJ Holiday]

So if I subscribe to any trends online, it would be like the.

[Guest 1]

The high fashion, they want to call it soft life. Because my homegirl, Alana, Elena, whatever her name is, the Russian, she is pregnant bitch.

[AJ Holiday]

She posted yesterday. I'm so happy anytime I see it. Listen, they be trying to say she's 39, 40, girl.

[Guest 1]

Bye. Okay, this is an old. She got too much crow's feet to say she ain't 45, but she probably

[Tam Bam]

white, though, so that it'd be like a little sometimes with them.

[AJ Holiday]

And she got a face full of

[Guest 1]

filler, so, I mean, she just doesn't look young.

[AJ Holiday]

But she pregnant, and I be happy anytime.

[Guest 1]

An old bitch pregnant me too. Yes. And she got her dream house with her dream relationship, her husband. Like, that is the content I love to consume. Like the nice house, the mansion, the fucking Rolls Royce parked outside. Yes. I follow a lot of bitches like that who.

[Tam Bam]

She make everything from scratch and she talks like this and then.

[AJ Holiday]

Oh, you know, you're talking about.

[Tam Bam]

I don't know her name.

[Guest 1]

I follow her too.

[Tam Bam]

I know her kid is. She just revealed that she heard a baby has childhood cancer. And that's just like, so crazy. And it makes you feel like. Because she is, like, feeding that baby perfect, you know?

[Guest 1]

Yes, yes.

[Guest 2]

And still.

[Tam Bam]

Ugh.

[Guest 1]

Nara. Her name's Nara.

[AJ Holiday]

You know, the thing is, you have

[Guest 1]

to consider other things, right?

[AJ Holiday]

So, yes, you could do you. We are making food from scratch, but

[Guest 1]

these ingredients, a lot of times aren't. Aren't natural. Not derived from natural sources.

[AJ Holiday]

So really, if you even smallest. Break it down to the smallest thing,

[Guest 1]

fucking acid rain or, you know, what's coming out of our atmosphere that's raining onto the soil. Is the soil even good?

[AJ Holiday]

So even if you're growing some shit at the house, it's just like, America is a project. There are things here that are not

[Guest 1]

allowed anyplace else in the world.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Guest 1]

There are things in our foods, things

[AJ Holiday]

in our face products, hair products, all this shit. Like, it's just like, let's see if

[Guest 1]

the Americans can live through this. It's like we're just like lab rats.

[Tam Bam]

I saw that. Like Sweden, when they sent their FIFA team, they sent food with them. They sent a whole bunch of food because they didn't trust the American food to feed their team.

[AJ Holiday]

Imagine that. Y' all imagine that another country is sending motherfucking free lunch for their.

[Guest 2]

For these people.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, because they don't want y' all eat that.

[AJ Holiday]

You don't trust the trash.

[Guest 2]

I really enjoyed the videos of all the other countries like America. The food is so good. I see why y' all so fat.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. Because it's full of bullshit. It's full of things that make you think it tastes good.

[Guest 1]

And it really doesn't like you. You eating a bunch of garbage.

[Tam Bam]

Dead shit.

[Guest 1]

Even they say in the lettuce, the salad is fucked up over here. Like, God damn, man.

[Tam Bam]

I know they had a recall recently on bags of lettuce that it said it had not E. Coli. What's the other one? That's really with the S. I think it starts salmonella.

[Guest 1]

Salmonella?

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

How the fuck lettuce got salmonella?

[Guest 1]

That's from booty holes.

[Tam Bam]

How do lettuce get salmonella?

[Guest 1]

Somebody digging their butt.

[Tam Bam]

I thought that was more like with flesh and meat and stuff like that.

[Guest 2]

Baby, you just gotta pray. That's why I say just pray over it.

[Tam Bam]

Cause it don't matter.

[Guest 2]

That's, you know, you can doordash it

[Tam Bam]

or you could grow.

[Guest 2]

Might be booty hole on it. Well, you know, like

[AJ Holiday]

a little hint, you know.

[Guest 1]

Another trend that is really disgusting right now is the. My homegirl, we always like swapping music. Anytime we hear a fly song, we send in a link, right?

[AJ Holiday]

And I'm like, girl, if you send me another AI artist, I automatically know somebody's an AI artist.

[Guest 1]

When you go to their album, there's no album. And there's just one song that's viral on tikt, right?

[AJ Holiday]

So now what I'm seeing, and this

[Guest 1]

is how I feel about it, they are stealing soul.

[AJ Holiday]

Y' all know white people cannot fuck around with black people. Our voices, our talent, like, now they have created. They're now, now they're using AI to create soul. You know what I'm saying? So they don't need the black artists anymore either. And this is basically what Janet was talking about. Was it Janet at the BET Awards? No, no, this is. No, this wasn't Jen.

[Guest 1]

It was Lauryn Hill at the BET Awards.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, she. She touched on the AI and stuff like that. Like, they are literally now. First it was.

[Guest 1]

Now y' all going to the Afrobeats artists, right? Y' all outsourcing. Y' all don't need us like that because rap is falling. Like, rap, like, is not charting like it used to be.

[Tam Bam]

No.

[AJ Holiday]

And. And now you have these AI R B artists that people are creating out

[Guest 1]

of thin air, going viral, getting million dollar deals and shit like that.

[AJ Holiday]

This is not even a real person,

[Guest 1]

y' all putting a voice behind.

[AJ Holiday]

And then you can also make AI lyrics. So now you making these amazing songs with this amazing voice. And it's not a real person, but

[Guest 1]

we know who they are mimicking.

[AJ Holiday]

It's us.

[Tam Bam]

Well, that's the same thing they did with like, musicianship, like instruments. They used to play real instruments. Now it's all digital instruments. Nobody's actually playing music.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

So that's the world we live in. And before you know it. All of our entertainment will be made by computers. Even actors, like cgi. Like, you look at the girls. I was just saying, like, I was on Revolve and the girl, it was the same bitch in different outfits a million times. That girl got paid for one picture. She did not have to change clothes every time they put that clothes on her. So she don't get paid for all of that.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

People are selling their likeness, so they

[Guest 1]

no longer own their likeness. You know the one girl who models

[AJ Holiday]

for Fashion Nova, she's like the biggest

[Guest 1]

model they got, y'.

[Nissan Ad Voice]

All.

[Guest 1]

You know, the face. I forgot her name.

[Guest 2]

The heavy.

[Tam Bam]

The full figure one.

[AJ Holiday]

Notice the cute one, the. The small, petite, fake. But she's a real person. Yeah, but I remember her. I saw a post one day, and she was like, you know, basically crying, saying she don't own her image. She doesn't own her likeness anymore. They basically can generate these images. They're not taking all these pictures. So now models, that. That. That profession is. Is about to be obsolete unless you're doing a fashion show, you know?

[Guest 2]

Right. And that's print, you know, they gonna have a robot bitch walking down without

[AJ Holiday]

feeling, but for print, you know? I mean.

[Guest 1]

Exactly. Cause the models already be walking like robots. They look alike, you know, So I can see that happening.

[Guest 2]

Did you see that robot that was, like, doing karate and accidentally kicked that kid? No, you stupid.

[AJ Holiday]

On what?

[Guest 1]

What was that?

[Guest 2]

Oh, my God. It was like an exhibition of some sort. And it was like children standing around and the robot was doing karate and it got too close to the edge, and it was like, yeah,

[Guest 1]

I see that.

[AJ Holiday]

What about these AI generated relationships and these fixed fictitious stories online, too? I keep seeing the same one. It's like everybody got the same story about.

[Guest 1]

It's like an older woman, but it's a different woman.

[Tam Bam]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

Older woman who was divorced, like, was

[Tam Bam]

in a bad relationship.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah.

[Guest 2]

Work out.

[AJ Holiday]

And now they got the six pack and, like, it's. It's AI generated.

[Tam Bam]

Yes, it is.

[AJ Holiday]

The first one got me.

[Guest 2]

The first one got me. I was like, I'm so proud of you, bitch.

[Tam Bam]

And then I was like, no, this is not real.

[AJ Holiday]

Same story, different person. So are we missing out on money while we complaining? Because should we be generating an AI Something so we really don't have to do the work?

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, y' all gonna come on here

[Guest 2]

in a couple weeks. What's up, y'?

[Tam Bam]

All?

[AJ Holiday]

Thank y' all for tuning in.

[Guest 2]

I love y'. All. It is gonna be an AI version of me. I Ain't even here.

[AJ Holiday]

We should do an AI episode for real, See what the they come up with. I might work on that.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, get to it. Get to it.

[AJ Holiday]

Because, like, we contracted do 52 episodes a year, child.

[Guest 1]

We might break it down to 25.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

They be realistic, though. The only thing is always the hands.

[Guest 1]

Always give it away. It's an extra thumb or some shit together. They get lazy when they get to the hands.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Guest 1]

Filming strangers instead of helping people, that's disgusting to me.

[Guest 2]

Right?

[Guest 1]

Or when you're helping, you're filming.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, I understand one part of it.

[Guest 1]

Like, yeah, you want to encourage, you know, watchers to also do the same. Like, to help somebody in need. But it's just. It's always weird to me that that is content.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. But people don't. Like, half the time, people don't even want your help. Like, it was so hot. And I seen this black lady, old black lady walking down the street past my house, and I felt compelled to go outside. And she had heavy bags, too. And I got in my car and I was like, um. I hollered out the window, you need a ride? I said, hey, ma', am, you need a ride?

[Guest 1]

I do that all the time.

[AJ Holiday]

And she's like, oh, you're so sweet. No, thank you. It's okay.

[Tam Bam]

But then I got out of my car and I kept.

[Guest 2]

And I drove.

[Tam Bam]

I was like, ma', am, you sure? It's so hot out here. It's dangerously hot. She was like, it is. She's like, but I'm scared. Cause I don't know you. I was like, I'm scared, too.

[AJ Holiday]

Getting in the nah, right?

[Guest 2]

Are you coming?

[Tam Bam]

And she's like, I just live right there. It's fine. I was like, all right, bitch.

[Guest 1]

Girl, I'm at the gas station just yesterday, took two teenage boys home.

[AJ Holiday]

Cause first of all, y' all at

[Guest 1]

the gas station asking for donations for football camp. And what we in July, school start back.

[AJ Holiday]

What football camp? Boy, when I tell you I gave this little boy $20 and he pulled out the biggest knot out of his pocket and put my money in it. I said, y' all just out here finessing.

[Guest 1]

So now I'm pulling off.

[AJ Holiday]

Here comes the second little boy. Hey, you can give us a ride right down the street to whatever.

[Guest 1]

Get in and. Cause y'.

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[Guest 1]

I guess y' all done finessing for the day, right? Hella money for the summer.

[Guest 2]

Give me 20 back.

[Guest 1]

I should have robbed their little ass. Teach them a lesson in people's cars, right?

[Guest 2]

Pull your pistol from under the seat. But shit, them niggas might have one too, right?

[Guest 1]

That part. Little skinny ass, little ass boys dirty too, with a pocket full of money, finessing. Listen, I'm not mad at them. However you gotta get it, man, at least you ain't out here hurting anybody. You asking people and they giving it to you.

[Tam Bam]

A little nigga ran up on me in a Walmart parking lot selling a book that he wrote. And it was like, I know, I bought it.

[AJ Holiday]

Yes, absolutely. If you got something, yeah, even if

[Guest 1]

it's a picture, some you drew, like, give me get a deal, I'll give you the money.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, I bought it. And it was hot too.

[Guest 2]

But I was like, you know what? 25 for this little picture book

[AJ Holiday]

was a hand done. Or was it published?

[Tam Bam]

No, it was published. It was published. And he said his mama helped him. And he was like, nice, 15 or 16, and he was like slick with his little mouth, talking about, I know

[AJ Holiday]

you ain't but 19, but maybe you

[Guest 2]

can afford to get this book, boy. Come here, boy.

[Guest 1]

Oh, he good.

[Guest 2]

Yeah, he was good.

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[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, no, I don't need to.

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[AJ Holiday]

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[AJ Holiday]

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Visit t mobile.com hey everyone, it's Cal Penn, host of Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I'm sitting down with Lily Chu, the author of the Audible original romantic comedy Just Kiss Already. It's a story about a forensic anthropologist who secretly writes mystery novels, an actress who adapts his book into a film, and what happens when a meme and a media tour collide with a slow burn romance. It's performed by Simu Liu and Philippa Hsu, and it is an absolute blast.

[Lily Chu]

When you actually hear the performance, you realize that other people are taking your words and what you thought was kind of a straightforward sentence. Like the cat in the corner is black. In my head, it's the cat in the corner as black Black. Not the dog, not the gerbil, but someone else might say it, the cat in the corner is black. That's always fascinating to me how they just bring in all these different nuances and really make it fun and interesting and distinctive.

[Cal Penn]

Listen to Earsay, the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[AJ Holiday]

I remember recently I commented on somebody's post. You know, you come across shit on

[Guest 1]

your timeline, people don't even follow. But it's a grown man who. He took his mom, his estranged mom who didn't raise him, who gave him up at birth.

[AJ Holiday]

He took her out to lunch and

[Guest 1]

then he was recording her and, like, her interaction with him.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, she like, man, what the fuck you want from me? At least I had you. Like, what? Why you keep bothering me? And like, he's making content out of how much his mama doesn't fuck with him. And this is a grown man. This man has to be in his 30s. I seen somebody was commenting. Somebody was out. The second video I saw, it was a celebrity out. Oh, it was. What's the girl from loving hip hop Atlanta, the one who had the baby for Stevie. Not Jack, not. Not Jocelyn, not Jocelyn, the other one from Atlanta, Mimi.

[Guest 1]

Mimi.

[AJ Holiday]

It was Mimi in another video. And she was saying, you know, basically

[Guest 1]

trying to urge this grown woman to talk to her now adult son.

[AJ Holiday]

And she like, no, I did. Like, obviously, like, I couldn't fuck with you then. I don't fuck with you now. Be happy I gave birth to you. Like, I don't know what transpired. Maybe, I don't know, maybe he was conceived out of.

[Guest 2]

Oh, and they were like, outside in the parking lot.

[Nissan Ad Voice]

Yes.

[AJ Holiday]

The first one was they were in a restaurant. And then the second one, it was outside in the parking lot.

[Guest 2]

Parking lot.

[AJ Holiday]

And I remember commenting, I was like, I was like, yo, not all women are mothers. You should be grateful she gave you two. You know, Although I know there's a hole he's trying to fill.

[Guest 1]

There's a gap in his life he's trying to fill. Right.

[AJ Holiday]

She's not going to be able to

[Guest 1]

do that for you.

[AJ Holiday]

And not in this lifetime.

[Guest 1]

All right?

[AJ Holiday]

She's still dealing with. Yes, multiple times. So why are you now you're wrong. You dead ass fucking wrong now for making this content. If I was his mom, I'd sue

[Guest 1]

the shit out of him.

[AJ Holiday]

I would sue him.

[Tam Bam]

I don't know.

[AJ Holiday]

Because I'm not asking to be put on the Internet on camera because at this point Like, Internet Instagram. That shit is like television. Can I not get a check? Somebody put me in some shit. I did not sign up for this.

[Tam Bam]

That's like, what you call it? The other housewife of Atlanta, Kenya.

[Guest 1]

Oh, Kenya.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. Her family, when she pulled up. Yeah. Like, you can't do that. And I think. I think in that situation with Kenya, I think she, I think really was

[Guest 1]

some incest something going on. Like her mom was maybe violated when she had a girl. The dad is extremely older and she

[AJ Holiday]

has some type of relationship with that

[Guest 1]

person, but the mama is not fucking with it.

[Tam Bam]

I think that's what happened to my, like, my grandfather, honestly, like. Cause his mom, my mom's dad, his mom had him and then left him with his mom, her mama, and moved away and then started another family and had four more kids. And name one of them the same name as my grandfather.

[Guest 1]

Something broadly happened. And you know, that's in the black community.

[AJ Holiday]

It's taboo. We talk all this shit about white

[Guest 1]

folks and the incest and all the different things.

[AJ Holiday]

And this one sleeping with the daughters. That shit happens in the black community for sure. We just don't talk about it. And then we just let these bad people just fester in the family and

[Guest 1]

people keeping the secrets and got to

[Tam Bam]

sit at the Thanksgiving table with your abuser.

[Guest 1]

Exactly.

[AJ Holiday]

And we see those kind of videos, too.

[Guest 1]

We see that type of shit go

[AJ Holiday]

viral, too, at Thanksgiving, where a bitch is feeling froggy and like, Nala, have to let this nigga live another day.

[Guest 1]

And she exposing around the Internet.

[AJ Holiday]

I've seen that, too. Is that for the Internet, though? Should that be content? I do think in those cases, these

[Guest 1]

type of people should be ostracized. They should be.

[Tam Bam]

Because some people do all kinds of shit. Like beating your child on the Internet for content.

[AJ Holiday]

I would never embarrass my kid like that.

[Tam Bam]

Embarrassing your kid, like, shaving their head and putting it, like, on the Internet. I don't believe in that.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

Now, I would shave a kid's head, but I wouldn't put it on the Internet.

[Guest 2]

You would shave your kids that.

[AJ Holiday]

My son, even my best friend cut her off.

[Guest 1]

All of a sudden, thought cut off. You know, the thought cut, like, the shave and the hair on the top. She cut that nigga. She gave him a Caesar.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. Or if, you know, he was, like, so and so, like, in love with his hair, but was making fun of someone who was sick and they didn't have hair or something like that. Yeah. You getting a low cut because your relationship to your Hair is unhealthy. And if you think it's okay to make fun of people who don't have hair, then you're not gonna have any either. So you can see how I feel. So you can learn some empathy.

[Guest 1]

I don't know if I'm doing that. That is so devastating.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, so is sickness.

[Guest 1]

That is so devastating.

[Tam Bam]

So you need to learn your hair is going to grow back. This person's may not. You know, you need to learn a lesson. And sometimes a hard lesson is what you need. Now, will I put it on the Internet? No. Will I make you look ugly? No. I'm not gonna give you. I'm not gonna make you look like Mr. T, a bald head, you know, or nothing like that as a child. But I will cut your hair off if you think you're better. Yeah. You need to learn.

[Guest 1]

I might send them to school with a bunch of good wool clothes on with that haircut.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna do some permanent. Even if it's temporary.

[Guest 1]

Permanent. I'm not gonna do that, I think. But I would definitely. I find a different way to do shit. Your room dirty. I'm putting that on Facebook.

[AJ Holiday]

I'm not gonna post my daughter. You out here popping shit and your fucking bathroom dirty.

[Guest 1]

Oh, okay.

[AJ Holiday]

No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't embarrass Mike. I remember being in school and people.

[Guest 1]

The parents would come to class and make their child stand in front of the class and give them a public beating or, you know, reprimand them publicly.

[AJ Holiday]

I would never like that type of shit. Stuff my mama did to me privately still haunts me today. I would never do no shit like

[Guest 1]

that in front of. In front of a school.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, you can't. And then the Internet now people doing it. It's not just 30 kids in the

[Guest 1]

classroom now people doing shit on the Internet. And it's not fucking pencil. You cannot erase it.

[AJ Holiday]

It's pin. It's there forever.

[Guest 1]

You can find it on archives.org, like, you'll always be able to find anything you post online.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, I was about to say something, but then people might go looking, so.

[AJ Holiday]

Girl, I got some shit from my teenage years, okay? Black Planet and shit like that.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Somebody stole my page on Black Planet, girl. A bitch stole my page. And our first year at Benedict. First. I mean, like the first week at Benedict, somebody hacked my Black Planet page and basically, like, change. You know, back then, you could.

[Guest 1]

We was really like, programmers. Like, we was putting all type of, like, we doing computer programming and coding

[AJ Holiday]

to make a fly ass Black planet

[Guest 1]

coding or MySpace page. Yeah.

[Target Ad Voice]

Yes.

[AJ Holiday]

And somebody hacked my shit. And like, it was a girl and

[Guest 1]

the girl was saying I'm her girlfriend.

[AJ Holiday]

Imagine I'm just now starting fucking college and somebody doing some shit like this. Bitch, I am not a dyke. I was so afraid, like, people at

[Guest 1]

the school would see that the.

[AJ Holiday]

I don't know, it was somebody. I don't know who the person was, but like, I don't know. Somebody hacked my.

[Guest 1]

My.

[AJ Holiday]

My YouTube. Not YouTube.

[Guest 1]

Yahoo account and Black Planet. Yeah, Let's do a quick game right quick.

[Guest 2]

Okay,

[Guest 1]

so I'm just going to name a couple different, you know, viral trends on social media. And you have to say, is it healthy, is it harmless or harmful?

[Tam Bam]

Okay.

[Guest 1]

Quiet luxury.

[Tam Bam]

Mm. I feel like that's helpful, right?

[Guest 1]

Yeah, I think it's very healthy. Like I said, I like to see people doing well. Like, I don't really subscribe to shit where people just doing bad. I don't like it. I don't like to see, like, even

[AJ Holiday]

if that's where you at right now,

[Guest 1]

bitch, you better fake it till you make it. That is how you fucking manifest a difference in your life.

[Tam Bam]

I agree.

[Guest 1]

Okay, Trad wives, what do you think about that trend? And that was mostly on TikTok, I would think, like, there's a trad wife is a traditional wife. So you have your modern wife. You have the traditional wife. That would be like your nara. Right. Even though she's a model.

[Tam Bam]

Because, you know, I don't think. I think it's important to see all types of wives.

[Guest 2]

We don't want to eliminate the traditional wife.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

So the trad wives catch so much

[Guest 1]

heat on TikTok because people think that they are male centered. I really think they're family centered.

[AJ Holiday]

And I'm trying to figure out how to fuck the problem with. The problem with America in particular.

[Guest 1]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

We don't have family. The problem in the black community, we. We don't value family, the family structure enough. You have so many different mechanisms that's

[Guest 1]

trying to tear that thing apart.

[AJ Holiday]

I feel like it's healthy to see. And then these. These motherfuckers be balling too. They be living on a farm somewhere cooking all they food. They got the animals like. And that farm life is not easy.

[Guest 2]

Okay.

[AJ Holiday]

It's not like these ladies just said

[Guest 1]

the house ordering shit off the Internet off their husband credit card. Like, these women, they work for their families.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

You know that one black family. And remember a couple years ago during COVID their Horse. These fucking crackers murdered their horse. Yeah, I said that they murdered the horse. The black BLM horse.

[Tam Bam]

Remember that? No, I miss that.

[AJ Holiday]

You don't remember that? During COVID Beautiful, beautiful.

[Tam Bam]

And they killed him.

[AJ Holiday]

Renin ra. Yes. All of a sudden he just drops

[Guest 1]

dad at the vet. Drops dead.

[AJ Holiday]

But, you know, so they have. They live a farm life.

[Guest 1]

And it's like the girl just had another baby. The wife just had another child. It's like seven of them girls, she be having home births. They live in a big ass house in the middle of nowhere.

[AJ Holiday]

And to me, that.

[Guest 1]

That is a traditional white girl. That is goals.

[AJ Holiday]

I want to have my kids at the house.

[Guest 1]

You have. You have a.

[Tam Bam]

Her.

[Guest 1]

Her last pregnancy was real hard. She was huffing and puffing and you just see her husband come out, come into the picture like a damn superhero soothing her, rubbing her down. And they delivered that baby at the

[AJ Holiday]

house while the kids and animals watching, girl.

[Guest 1]

Like Jesus in the manger.

[Guest 2]

Oh, wow.

[Guest 1]

Yes. I love that shit, man. So it's healthy.

[Tam Bam]

I love you. Yeah, yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Black family, they always like watching TV

[Guest 1]

in the lawn, you know, with the

[AJ Holiday]

big projector outside and stuff like that.

[Tam Bam]

All that vast land around them.

[AJ Holiday]

Yes. I want. I wish. I want to know where they live at.

[Guest 1]

They doing well, though. Yes, absolutely. So I think that's definitely helpful or healthy trends.

[Tam Bam]

Ozempic girl.

[Guest 1]

I mean, I'm worried.

[Tam Bam]

I'm worried about some people, like, some people getting like. I don't know if Brandi on Ozempic, but like we just saw Brandi, like in Mississippi and she looked unusually thin.

[Guest 1]

I don't think Brandi is on Ozempic. There's no way anybody. Well, she must be getting it under the counter. Nobody's subscribing that to her because she is not girl.

[Tam Bam]

Hollywood, they was, you know, they can get whatever they want in Hollywood.

[Guest 1]

Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

But I don't see where she would need it or even think she needed it. But she's so I hope she's okay. Cause she was like Ariana Grande then. Mm.

[Guest 1]

I seen that a recent picture of her. Somebody was. I don't know who page that was. I saw.

[AJ Holiday]

What was she at recently, you said in Mississippi?

[Tam Bam]

She was. She was being honored in her hometown. Okay. And she was.

[Guest 1]

Oh, yeah, they are from Mississippi.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

To receive the honor. And she look real thin. I'm worried about her.

[Guest 1]

I don't know, man.

[AJ Holiday]

You can kind of tell who be

[Guest 1]

on Ozempic, you know, the rapid weight loss and they're not working out. So like the face is slumped, the booty goes away, you know, because it's literally like getting rid of all body fat.

[Tam Bam]

And I heard that shit make your coochie loose. Cause it eat at your coochie muscles. That was all I needed to hear.

[Guest 2]

I never that shit into me.

[AJ Holiday]

Did you really hear that?

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

What?

[Guest 2]

Oh, hell no.

[Guest 1]

You better work it out.

[AJ Holiday]

You better do your kegels triple time. Could you imagine, bitch?

[Tam Bam]

I found out that I was even like. Cause I do kegels at the light all the time. It's just like. So I always do that, but I. The doctor told me I ain't even doing it right. So y' all listen to this. When you do kegels, you know you squeeze your vagina, right? But the doctor told me to suck in my stomach, squeeze my butt, and then my vagina.

[Guest 1]

Your abdomen has to be tight, too.

[Tam Bam]

I just was doing my vagina the whole time. And it feels different when I squeeze my butt and my vagina and my stomach all at once.

[Guest 1]

It's harder.

[Tam Bam]

So maybe that coochie ain't as tight as I thought.

[AJ Holiday]

Pussy don't film me now. Morning routines.

[Tam Bam]

Those videos do you watch.

[AJ Holiday]

Do you watch those morning routine videos?

[Tam Bam]

No.

[Guest 1]

Me either.

[Tam Bam]

I don't watch them. Order get ready with me.

[AJ Holiday]

Y' all take too long.

[Guest 1]

I hate to see a nigga doing a get ready video.

[AJ Holiday]

If you don't get your go to work.

[Guest 2]

Y' all already ain't at work if

[AJ Holiday]

you don't carry your ass to work.

[Guest 2]

Only going to work. Why so many of y' all getting ready?

[AJ Holiday]

Where the you going at?

[Guest 2]

Get ready with me or nothing.

[Guest 1]

Yeah, that is harmful.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Guest 1]

It is not good street interviews.

[AJ Holiday]

I don't like them street interviews because

[Guest 1]

I feel like they pick the narrative right?

[AJ Holiday]

So, like, I saw a street interview.

[Guest 1]

Like, you have the ones where people reading sentences where they can't enunciate half the words.

[AJ Holiday]

Or, you know, like, even the videos where, like, what's the worst sign you ever dated?

[Guest 1]

All of them will say cancer or all of them say Gemini.

[AJ Holiday]

So y' all ain't have nobody else in between. They just like, y', all.

[Guest 2]

Everybody who said it.

[Tam Bam]

They only use their video.

[AJ Holiday]

Exactly. Because you can see the same person asking the same question. But now is a different everybody saying,

[Guest 1]

I don't know, Aries.

[AJ Holiday]

You know what I'm saying?

[Guest 1]

I don't trust those videos.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, me neither. You know what video is funny to me? The guy who was like, dude, this nigga look gay to you?

[AJ Holiday]

Yes, gay as fuck.

[Guest 2]

You think they think you gay.

[AJ Holiday]

Hell, yeah.

[Guest 2]

Then the next one, he gay as.

[AJ Holiday]

Look at that head. Look at his eyes.

[Guest 1]

Look at his lips.

[Guest 2]

Look how he stands.

[AJ Holiday]

But why all y' all gay? Why do all men think men are gay?

[Tam Bam]

Right?

[AJ Holiday]

That is very interesting. The whole time, we can't go on

[Guest 1]

all girls trips because y' all think everybody and coochie on the all girls trip.

[AJ Holiday]

What y' all doing? Y' all ain't just buying coochie in the Dominican Republic because there's a lot

[Guest 1]

of buty boys in Dr. Also

[Guest 2]

be

[Tam Bam]

doing it with each other, too. Don't get it.

[Guest 1]

Exactly.

[AJ Holiday]

At least like the. You know, at least like the guys who are, like, actually gay, who are out gay, like, when you see them out with their homeboys, they really friends, they fucking somebody.

[Guest 1]

Baby daddy and husband, you know, we

[AJ Holiday]

don't know what y' all supposedly heterosexual men like, Y' all be out in packs.

[Guest 1]

Like, who fucking over there, right?

[Guest 2]

You.

[AJ Holiday]

You be watching.

[Tam Bam]

What's it?

[Guest 1]

God Damn.

[AJ Holiday]

The comedian JoJo Brooks. Is it Jojo Brooks.

[Tam Bam]

Mojo.

[Guest 1]

Mojo.

[AJ Holiday]

Have you been seeing his stand up lately? That nigga is hilarious. But you know, he be in Atlanta and it's always two niggas at a show together. And he called one of the girl. He called one of the guy's girlfriend on the phone. He's like, yeah, your boyfriend here. Why you ain't at the show? She said, oh, I didn't get invited.

[Guest 1]

The whole crowd was like, oh. And the two, they just laughing.

[AJ Holiday]

And Kiki and he like, well, how

[Guest 1]

long y' all been friends?

[AJ Holiday]

So y' all just. Y' all just going out together? Like, what the y' all got going on?

[Tam Bam]

You mean you a comedy show?

[Guest 1]

Go through that phone, bitch. Go through that phone.

[AJ Holiday]

I bet you he got an Adam for Adam account Search.

[Tam Bam]

Like, when you go through his text search keywords, don't just look at different names. Right. Search words. Search dick search.

[Guest 1]

Go to pornhub and look at that history. See what he watching. Okay, right, Let me see.

[AJ Holiday]

Couples sharing passwords.

[Tam Bam]

No, Share your passwords.

[AJ Holiday]

What?

[Guest 2]

You.

[AJ Holiday]

You agree with that?

[Tam Bam]

I don't see what's the problem. If y' all are.

[Guest 1]

That is so grown. That is so grown. Even if I am faithful, you cannot

[AJ Holiday]

have the password in my phone. It's just. I just believe in really just being

[Guest 1]

single in a relationship.

[AJ Holiday]

And what I mean by that is just having boundaries. Yeah. And still being a. You know, it's supposed to be mystery.

[Guest 1]

We're one. No, like, we're one now.

[AJ Holiday]

No, it's Me, and then there's you. Like, you're still an individual, you know what I'm saying? So I don't know that I need

[Guest 1]

to know every single intricate detail about my partner.

[AJ Holiday]

I don't think. I don't think.

[Tam Bam]

Don't jump in the bathroom while I'm pooping, girl.

[AJ Holiday]

That is my private time. If I leave the door open.

[Guest 1]

Yeah, maybe.

[AJ Holiday]

But if the door is closed, why are you opening this door? I'm obviously doing.

[Guest 1]

Doing some girl shit in here I don't want you to see.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Tam Bam]

Don't. I don't want you to be a part of this moment while I'm trying to push.

[Guest 2]

Get. Let me have some mystery, nigga. God damn.

[Guest 1]

All right, one more. So this segment is culture or is it clout? Okay, okay. Someone records themselves giving money to a homeless person.

[Tam Bam]

I'm so. I'm torn about that because I like watching videos of people doing good, you know, for others. It makes me happy to see it and it encourages me to be kinder, you know, but at the same time, sometimes I do be feeling like making a video can be, like, taking advantage of this person's misfortune. So I'm torn on that.

[AJ Holiday]

Well, you remember during Christmas, the guy

[Guest 1]

raised all that money for this one lady, like, millions of hair and her kids was living in the car.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. And he wouldn't have been able to do that had he not recorded it, right?

[Guest 1]

Yeah. Yeah. Somebody who announces they're quitting social media every other fucking month.

[Tam Bam]

Girl, just die.

[AJ Holiday]

Just go away.

[Guest 1]

Cloud chasing ass, right? Yeah.

[Guest 2]

And that's you leaving.

[Tam Bam]

Anything for me is like a clown chase, crowd. Chase is like, you really don't want to go and you want people to beg you to stay. Even like, suicide.

[Guest 1]

I was just about to say that

[Tam Bam]

you don't want to go.

[AJ Holiday]

Just do it. Just do it. Don't announce it, because what you're doing

[Guest 1]

is causing people undress, duress.

[AJ Holiday]

Super stressed. And what if you cause somebody like, your mom sees that shit and like,

[Guest 1]

she then commits suicide because she thought her child just committed suicide?

[AJ Holiday]

You know, you go into jail if

[Guest 1]

you don't kill yourself.

[Guest 2]

Right.

[Guest 1]

I hope you know that. Anyway,

[AJ Holiday]

I didn't. We didn't even get into, like how

[Guest 1]

I wanted to get into, like, what does social media actually say about us as a people? Where are we headed? You know, because it's real.

[AJ Holiday]

It's real sketchy out here. And I mean, I first realized that

[Guest 1]

America, we got a problem is when Facebook got super popular and then people

[AJ Holiday]

you knew personally, you get to see. Cause people often will text things that

[Guest 1]

they can't say verbally out their mouth.

[AJ Holiday]

So now I get to see, like,

[Guest 1]

your psyche on the Internet, and I get to see your subconscious mind on display.

[AJ Holiday]

And the shit is fucking weird how people really are. And if this is what human is, this is probably why I always be

[Guest 1]

saying I ain't human, because I don't like it.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, I agree.

[Guest 1]

We do need some corrective measures.

[Guest 2]

Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

And people are, like, so much meaner on social media than they would ever be in person.

[Guest 1]

Yeah. Yeah. The attacks, the comments is just.

[AJ Holiday]

You can't say anything. Like, I let people live. The only time I comment on somebody saying, if I agree with you, I comment on it. I never comment on something I disagree with. Why would you want to. You want to intentionally cause, like, discourse, like an argument.

[Guest 1]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

I'm not commenting on some shit I don't agree with.

[Guest 1]

I'm just not.

[AJ Holiday]

I just never understand why I can put a comment in a comment section

[Guest 1]

and it's a thousand people disagreeing with the comment. Just move on.

[Tam Bam]

Just go ahead. Like. But some people thrive off of that type of interaction. Like, that's. That feeds them.

[Guest 1]

Yeah. They probably don't have none in real life now.

[Tam Bam]

I did. I did put some controversial shit on a web.

[Guest 1]

On a.

[Tam Bam]

Like, a comment last week. So I don't know if y' all saw that, but it was like, White and Proud was trending on Facebook. It was a Facebook group that was, like, a bunch of white supremacists and, like, niggas, like, infiltrated the group.

[Guest 2]

And it was so funny because someone was like, what are all these blacks doing in here? And I commented. I put a post on the page that said, ew, these are the poor whites.

[AJ Holiday]

Well, I'm just being mean.

[Guest 2]

I like poor people. I. I am poor people. And sometimes in some ways. So. But I just wanted to say something mean because they were saying, like, if

[Tam Bam]

you went through the timeline of the. The stuff that was in that group, it was very derogatory and very ugly towards black people. So, I mean, I just think it was like, some nasty, nasty stuff. Like, So I just said that, and then I left the group.

[Guest 1]

I just don't give a fuck about that stuff. Right. I feel like you should be able to. Like, that was their private little whatever, you know, where they're congregating to be hateful. Let them be hateful.

[Tam Bam]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

Because, you know they gonna pay for it, you know, one way or the other. Like, you cannot harbor that type of

[Guest 1]

energy that's not even being shown to you, but it does come out in ways like this little boy being murdered by these group of teenagers on this

[AJ Holiday]

goddamn pole on the 4th of July. So it is definitely like the microaggressions, the opportunities that they take to harm us.

[Guest 1]

It does start on platforms like that, right? So I think reporting should be done versus, you know, getting in then being just as hateful as they are.

[AJ Holiday]

Because I think you should be able to have your opinion, whatever. Like, you should be able to hate a. If you want to, you know, you. I don't know.

[Guest 1]

I just.

[AJ Holiday]

But it cannot come out then in. In legislation. You know how you handle us in hospitals.

[Guest 1]

But it will. That's why it's dangerous. Right on.

[AJ Holiday]

And us hating on them. We not trying to do nothing to them.

[Guest 1]

For real.

[Guest 2]

Sorry.

[Guest 1]

Okay.

[AJ Holiday]

Anyway, y', all. Well, that was fun.

[Guest 1]

This was fun talking about social media. And we. We definitely could have get much more detailed about a lot of different things, but we're running out of time.

[AJ Holiday]

But anyway, if you guys enjoyed this episode, y' all, tune in. Oh, last, Last.

[Tam Bam]

Right quick.

[AJ Holiday]

We got time for that anyway.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Is that the last?

[Lily Chu]

Last.

[AJ Holiday]

Okay, last, last. Be careful what you do on the Internet is not fucking pencil, okay? It is inc. Think about your future self. Seen it. I have seen myself saying some. Said some stupid shit on Twitter, Facebook, and I go try to delete it for five years ago. Like, what the fuck was I talking about?

[Tam Bam]

Right?

[AJ Holiday]

You know what I'm saying? If you don't have nothing nice to

[Guest 1]

say, don't say it.

[AJ Holiday]

And think before you participate in these trends.

[Guest 1]

Okay? Not everything is a trend, and motherfucking CIA is a real thing. Go ahead.

[Tam Bam]

And my last. Last is be careful and very mindful of the things that you consume.

[Guest 1]

Yes.

[Tam Bam]

You know, you may not realize how you are affected by the things that you are consuming. The content that you're consuming, doom scrolling and all that shit. It affects your frequency. It affects your vibe, you know? So just be very mindful of the things that you're putting into your spirit, your body, and your mind.

[Guest 2]

Absolutely.

[Tam Bam]

My last. Last.

[Guest 1]

Amen.

[Tam Bam]

Amen.

[Guest 1]

All right, y', all.

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[AJ Holiday]

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[Guest 1]

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[AJ Holiday]

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[Tam Bam]

All. It's official. Tam Bam on Instagram, y'. All. Follow me there. Follow. We talk back Podcast on Instagram. I love y'. All. So much. Y' all send y' all dumb bitch stories. We had fun with that last week. Send some more. There's more to come that we said we had more in the inbox. So if you did send that, don't worry. We gonna get to them, y'. All. I love y' all so much. Remember, speak now

[AJ Holiday]

and hold on fucking trends for 72 hours. Just shut the fuck up and get

[Guest 1]

off the Internet for 72 hours.

[Tam Bam]

Period.

[AJ Holiday]

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[Guest 1]

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