Podcast Summary: We Talk Back – "The Judgment Olympics with Good Mom Bad Choices"
Date: October 16, 2025
Hosts: TamBam & AJ Holiday
Guests: Mila & Erica of Good Moms Bad Choices
Overview
This energetic, unfiltered, and deeply honest episode of "We Talk Back" celebrates Black womanhood, explores societal judgment around singlehood and motherhood, and proudly challenges gender roles and expectations. Hosts TamBam and AJ Holiday welcome Mila and Erica, the charismatic co-hosts of "Good Moms Bad Choices," for a joyfully raucous and real conversation about sex, relationships, judgments placed on women (the "Judgment Olympics"), and breaking free from patriarchal scripts. Through laughter, storytelling, and playful games, the episode delivers relatable anecdotes and life lessons, holding space for candid dialogue about what it means to be an empowered woman today.
Episode Structure & Key Discussion Points
1. Catching Up: Life Updates and Adventures
[02:24–13:29]
- Weekend Recaps: The hosts and guests share relatable, funny stories of their recent exploits—including Mila’s dance with Ciara in NYC and apartment hunting stories from TamBam.
- Moving & Adulting: TamBam discusses her nomadic year, breaking her foot at a wedding, and finding the right home.
- Quote: “I broke my foot on the landing. Yeah.” – TamBam [07:15]
- Cost-of-living comparisons: Discussion of affordable rent in Charlotte versus the struggles of LA living.
- Quote: “You got to be a millionaire to have a washer and dryer in LA.” – Mila [09:45]
- Transit & Culture Shocks: TamBam's hilarious New York subway encounter with a man offering to “balance your chakras for $1.99.”
- Quote: “He was standing over me, he was like, I can balance your chakras right now for $1.99.” – TamBam [12:20]
2. Stupid Internet News & Double Standards in Relationships
[13:29–25:53]
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Cam Newton’s ‘Body Count’ List: Discussion of men asking for lists of sexual partners—and why it's “an immature request.” [14:20]
- Quote: “Not only am I not giving you my list because I don't remember and I didn't write it down... I’m also going to stop talking to you for you to ask me such an ignorant, ridiculous question.” – Mila [14:24]
- Comedic Advice: “My whole facts deletes at 11:59:59 on December 31st of every year.” – TamBam [17:50]
- Sexual double standards: The hypocrisy of men’s expectations and perceptions about women’s sexual history.
- “Niggas always say they want this, and then they can’t handle it when it actually happens.” – Erica [18:52]
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Ayesha Curry Backlash: Unpacking the messy headlines and internet hate directed at Ayesha Curry for expressing humanness and reflecting on her early motherhood.
- Quote: “Why do people hate her so much?” – TamBam [21:06]
- “They want her to fit into a specific box where she doesn’t mention him at all and doesn’t say anything unbecoming… It’s unfortunate… Your whole identity starts being attached to them.” – Erica [22:59]
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Patriarchy and Matriarchy Debates: Lively conversation about the real dynamics of power, influence of women behind the scenes, and what a true matriarchal society could look like.
- Quote: “Women are the gods on the planet. And this is why these men mad.” – AJ [29:31]
- “A true matriarchal society understands the need for the masculine to be there. It’s not about everything is woman, that’s it.” – Erica [29:44]
3. Judgment Olympics: Social Stereotypes About Women
[38:45–52:00]
Common Stereotypes of Moms and Child-Free Women
[39:24–44:58]
- Moms face claims of being “unwanted,” “ran through,” or “not marriage material.”
- Quote: "We're not to be married, no one wants to father somebody else's kids." – Mila [40:18]
- Child-free women labeled “selfish” or told their “clock is ticking.”
- Quote: “Just because I don't have kids, that does not mean I don't got shit to do, okay?” – AJ [41:31]
- Both groups subjected to rude, invasive questions about pregnancy or parenting.
- “If I knew, I’d tell you, right? I don’t know when I’m having kids.” – TamBam [44:20]
- Important advice: “You should not ask women of a certain age why they don't have kids if they want kids. Just mind your business.” – AJ [45:02]
How Society Judges Mothers
[45:13–50:43]
- The group reflects on how women's identities are policed and shaped by patriarchal and matriarchal community expectations.
- Mila and Erica share how their podcast grew out of resisting these molds.
- “Our entire podcast is about [not fitting the mold].” – Mila [45:34]
- Erica recounts how friendships shifted after motherhood, demonstrating how parenting can reveal who your true support system is.
Personal Impact of Judgment
- Mila talks about the guilt and pressure to present a “perfect family” to avoid the “single mom” stereotype in Black communities.
- “As a Black woman...there was a stereotype I was trying to break.” – Mila [53:07]
- Erica discusses being nearly swept up by the “imprisonment” of traditional motherhood expectations and how friendship reawakened her authentic self.
4. Games & Hypotheticals: Would You Rather?
[57:13–71:16]
The group plays a frank, funny game of “Would You Rather?” around partners, relationships, and personal fulfillment:
- Ambition vs. Adoration: Would you rather a man who worships you but lacks ambition or one who challenges you but triggers you?
- “All real relationships are going to trigger you all the time…that’s the whole point.” – Mila [57:41]
- Building Up Men: Would you rather build a man up or go with one “built but boring”?
- Feeling Seen or Safe: Would you rather feel “safe but unseen” or “seen but uncertain”?
- Side-chick vs. Wife to ‘Average’ Man: The group rejects the “groupie” mindset, debunks income stereotypes, and embraces substance over status.
- Cheating Standards: Preference for being cheated on with someone “badder” vs. “basic”—most women prefer the cheating be with someone unattractive rather than feeling replaced by a “badder bitch.”
- “I cannot stand a n**** who doesn’t have standard. Yeah, you don’t have no standards.” – AJ [62:04]
- Bedroom Preferences: Preference for a loud man in bed over a silent one; comically specific bedroom deal breakers.
5. Dumb Stories: Cautionary Tales of Getting Played
[75:57–89:03]
Guests share their best “dumb stories”—ridiculous, embarrassing, and all-too-relatable tales of romance gone wrong:
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The Model Scam – Erica details a year-long relationship with a broke, lying “model” who scammed her into believing he was someone he wasn’t—and how she discovered the truth via his “one-armed best friend.”
- “We both were handicapped, bitch.” – Erica [80:44]
- “He proposed while he was inside me!” [81:13]
- “[That’s] the best dumb bitch story we have had.” – TamBam [81:13]
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The Apartment Plug & Manipulation – Mila tells of seducing a hookup to secure an apartment, falling for a “big head/little body” man who manipulated her, brought his dog, and ultimately revealed abusive behaviors.
- “He was conditioning you the whole time?” – AJ [86:30]
- Discussion around “consensual non-consensual” kink and how manipulative partners mask their toxicity.
6. Closing & Plugs
[89:13–end]
- Mila and Erica promote their podcast, upcoming Good Vibe Retreats ("the best woman summer camp you can attend"), and their book, A Good Mom’s Guide to Making Bad Choices.
- TamBam, AJ, Mila, and Erica express camaraderie and gratitude: “Women are waking up; we’re resurrecting the wild and free woman.” – Mila [46:46]
- “Y’all remember: Speak now...” [91:07] — The hosts sign off, riffing on their usual sign-off lines with the guests.
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- “I’ve hoed across the country... they’re spread out!” – Mila [16:45]
- “If you wore a condom, it doesn’t count, period.” – Mila [18:00]
- “You don’t babysit your own kid, you’re being a parent.” – TamBam [41:07]
- “There’s no patriarchy unless women are upholding it. And unfortunately, that’s what happens.” – Erica [27:07]
- “When you suppress anything... you suppress it, [it] becomes crazy. Becomes violent because it’s not being himself.” – Mila [29:17]
Episode Timeline
- 02:24-13:29 – Weekend & life updates, moving, culture, and cost of living
- 13:29-25:53 – Internet news: body counts, double standards, Ayesha Curry, patriarchy
- 38:45-52:00 – The Judgment Olympics: stereotypes faced by mothers, childfree women
- 52:00-57:13 – Real impact: friendships and relationships after motherhood
- 57:13-71:16 – Would You Rather: relationships, bedroom preferences, and hypotheticals
- 75:57-89:03 – "Dumb stories": confessions of being played
- 89:13-end – Plugs and wrap-up
The Episode in a Nutshell
“We Talk Back” and “Good Moms Bad Choices” join forces for an uproarious, witty, and unvarnished exploration of judgment, womanhood, sexuality, and society’s double standards. The conversation bounces between hilarious storytelling, deeply honest reflections, and raucous games. Ultimately it’s a celebration of autonomy: “Be your whole self, stop worrying about being a pick-me.” If you crave real talk, hearty laughs, and sisterhood, this episode delivers in spades.
Final Word:
“Women are resurrecting right now... there’s a resurrection of the wild and free woman.” – Mila [46:46]