Podcast Summary: "We Can't Be Friends" feat. Jackie Woodyear

We Talk Back | The Black Effect Podcast Network & iHeartPodcasts
Date: February 26, 2026

Overview:

This episode dives into the age-old (and spicy!) question: Can men and women actually be platonic friends? Hosts TamBam and AJ Holiday, joined by returning guest Jackie Woodyear, deliver their raw comedic repartee, share unfiltered personal stories, and dissect real talk about relationships, cheating, male/female friendships, trust, and boundaries—with their trademark blend of humor, honesty, and Black woman magic.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catch-Up & Weekend Anecdotes

• AJ's Weekend: Cozy at home with a new projector, watching TV on the wall, and comically struggling with its remote.
• TamBam in Charleston: Attended a friend’s funeral. Shared a hilarious bathroom story about stumbling into women at a club called Gullah & Grooves and reminisced about past boba tea-fueled road trip mishaps.
  "[Gullah & Grooves] was a nice vibe, older crowd, live music, singing." – TamBam (04:22)

2. Baddie Who Talks Back

Spotlight: Juanita Jordan (Michael Jordan’s ex-wife)

• Lauded as a “smartest Gemini” and icon for securing her bag post-divorce.
• AJ: “Every time you buy them new elevens, Juanita is getting a check. She was an attorney and now she’s worth somewhere around $170 million.” (07:11)
• Hosts toast Juanita as “the baddie who talks back” for Black History Month.

3. Sins & Messy Memes – Pop Culture & Wild News

• 50 Cent vs. T.I. Drama: Dissecting the canceled VERZUZ battle, 50’s “mean girl” tactics, and beef spilling into the music.
• Ugandan Woman’s “Cheater Beating” Business: Delighting over a woman paid to beat up cheating or abusive men—AJ jokes about her old “Beat Your Own Bitch (BYOB)” business idea (11:48).
• Serial Boutique Scammer (SC): Tales of a white South Carolina children’s boutique owner arrested 11 times for scamming. Both hosts highlight how theft is policed and racially perceived.
• Messy Meme Moment: Sharing a petty online confession about “giving someone stink coochie” because he begged too much, sparking a lively discussion about boundaries and sexual experiences.

4. Main Discussion: Can Men and Women Be Friends?

(Begins ~25:07 with Jackie returning as guest co-host)

a. Is Platonic Friendship Even Possible?

• AJ: “Do y’all think women can actually have male friends? Men don’t think so.” (26:01)
• Consensus:
  • Women can have genuine, platonic male friends, but often the men are open to more if given opportunity.
  • TamBam admits, “Would they fuck you? Probably… As long as you don’t cross that boundary, you’re just friends.” (26:09)
  • Jackie points out the “boyfriend/husband problem”—women cutting off male friends for relationships and the uphill struggle of regaining those friendships.

b. Testing Friendship Boundaries

• AJ’s Test: "Call your best male friend and say, ‘You want this pussy?’ See if he declines!" (26:23)
• The group agrees most men would say yes, even longtime friends, though some would be weirded out.

c. Impact on Relationships

• Stories about exes demanding to know about every man in their lives.
• AJ: “I don’t have a problem not talking to anybody, but it’s the fact that you think I shouldn’t that I got a problem with.” (33:23)
• Jackie: “What does what he would do have to do with me? Do you trust me?” (30:27)

d. Friendship Definitions: "Friend" Too Loosely

• Debating whether men-waiting-in-the-wings count as actual friends or not.
• Highlighting different "tiers" of friendship: best friends, dinner friends, travel friends, etc.
• Recognizing that some male “friends” are just waiting for their turn.

e. Work Wife/Husband Dynamics

• TamBam and AJ muse about work spouses and where boundaries get fuzzy, especially after a workplace affair.
  • TamBam: “Can he keep his job or does he need to quit?” (33:09)
  • Jackie & crew: “Somebody’s gotta go!”

f. Cutting Ties for Serious Relationships

• TamBam expresses uncertainty about how to “dissolve” certain male dinner companions from her life now that she's getting more serious with someone.
• AJ: “Well, you don’t need them anymore… that’s how that’s supposed to work.” (42:50)

g. Why Men Don't Trust Male Friends Around Their Women

• Men don’t trust men around their women because they know how men think.
• AJ: “Men lack integrity. They don’t even trust other men!” (31:06)
• Jackie: "If your girl going, she going—there’s nothing you can do about it." (31:17)

h. Green Flag vs. Red Flag Male Friends (Truth Bomb Segment @ 59:09)

• Green Flags:
  • Never flirts,
  • Respects relationship boundaries,
  • Treats your partner with respect,
  • Is consistent and not just “on-call” when you’re single.
• Red Flags:
  • Texts late at night, flirts, or asks sexual questions “as a joke”,
  • Disappears when you get a man,
  • Competes with your partner or puts down every man you date,
  • Only sticks around because you’re attractive.

TamBam self-reflects: “I think perhaps I’m using the word friend too loosely.” (62:17)

5. Deeper Reflections on Friendship, Trust, and Human Nature

• Recognizing that policing partners doesn’t work: “Humans just be doing human shit.” (33:26)
• Jackie: “There’s no amount of safeguards that will prevent someone from doing what they want.” (63:04)
• Emphasizing the importance of trust:
  TamBam: “If you don’t have trust, your relationship needs to dissolve anyway or you need to work on it.” (67:02)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On cheating back:
  AJ Holiday (07:38): “Don’t be trying to get even with these men unless it’s in court, period.”
• On lingering “friends”:
  AJ Holiday (43:57): “Men will wait in the cut for a decade… they might not even want us, but they’ll wait ten years for that pussy.”
• On boundaries:
  Jackie (63:12): “Do better about creating boundaries, about who is your actual friend.”
• On trust:
  AJ Holiday (63:23): “There’s no amount of safeguards that… will prevent another person from whatever decision they’re going to make.”
• On men not trusting men:
  AJ Holiday (27:24): “I just know—I think men know men don’t… they lack integrity, right?”
• On friendship rankings:
  Jackie (49:03): “You got your best friends, your dinner friends, your travel friends—like, sometimes people don’t last your whole life.”

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [02:25] – Hosts & guest intros / Weekend updates
• [06:27] – Baddie Who Talks Back: Juanita Jordan
• [07:54] – Sins: 50 Cent vs. T.I., wild news stories
• [17:51] – Messy Meme: “Stink coochie” confessions
• [20:38] – Main Topic: Can men & women be friends?
• [25:07] – Jackie returns as guest, main friendship debate begins
• [31:29] – Work spouse talk; cheating at work
• [33:44] – Discussing controlling partners, boundaries
• [42:16] – Navigating friendship “breakups” for new relationships
• [54:35] – Men as friends: emotional dynamics, groomsmen, boundaries
• [59:09] – Truth Bomb Segment: Green vs. Red flag “friends”
• [66:08] – “New friends get you places old friends can’t”: discussing networking, resources
• [67:12] – Last words: trust, boundaries, reflections

Tone & Final Thoughts

We Talk Back stays true to its brand: rowdy, real, funny, and unapologetically Black. The women candidly examine platonic friendships, how men and women view relationships differently, and why communication and trust matter so much. Their signature blend of comedy, street-wise advice, and sisterly love makes for a relatable and engaging listen—complete with spicy confessions and “truth bomb” moments.

Last word:
If you’re wondering if you and your platonic “client” are really just friends—run ‘em through those red and green flags!

Guest Plug
Jackie Woodyear (real estate, jokes, and tomfoolery):
@carolinashomegirl & @Jackie_MLYN on Instagram