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AJ Holiday
Welcome to We Talk Back where we encourage you to hustle hard, laugh louder, and always keep it cute. So grab your coffee cocktail and crown cause it's about to go down. Talk, talk, talk to em.
Tim Bam
We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who talk.
AJ Holiday
What's up, y'all? It's your co host, AJ Holiday. What's up, Big Tim Bam, y'all?
Tim Bam
It's me, Tim Bam. I love y'all so much, man.
AJ Holiday
Why you always yelling at them?
Tim Bam
I'm. I. It's love y'all. It's not me.
AJ Holiday
God damn. Got loud as hell.
Tim Bam
I feel so good right now, man. I feel good. How you doing?
AJ Holiday
Tired. Sleepy is Monday. I'm trying not to hate Mondays all over again in life. I think I'm doing a pretty good job, but I'm really, really trying, trying not to hate Mondays, man. But other than that, I had a pretty good weekend.
Tim Bam
What'd you do?
AJ Holiday
Nothing. Breathe. I went over to my one of my friends house. The one who's having the baby, Laquandra. She's due any day now, child. So we went over there and helped her unpack all her baby stuff and put stuff up and I sanitize all her baby bottles. I feel like I'm having a whole baby. Okay. I cannot wait for this dude to touch down little Cameron. So we helped her do all her stuff this weekend and I was exhausted from that girl. She got about eight hours of work out of me.
Tim Bam
Have a village around her.
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AJ Holiday
So the aunties is four of us. Apparently someone sent out in the group chat last week, like let me read it to y'all. It's so sweet. Okay. I'm like, how the fuck do. Like, she is so lucky, right? When people be feeling like shit is not like you always have like some good ass people, right? So one of our friends, Shawana. Shawana put out the aunties chat and it's like a whole. And I turn it into like a apple note so we can all revisit it. But like task for each one of us to do. And what dates. So meal drop offs. You know, when she first have the baby, Meal drop drop offs, lighthouse cleaning, grocery run, baby holding, snuggle time.
Tim Bam
Oh, that's so cool.
AJ Holiday
Mom nap break, laundry help, sibling playtime, if any. That will not apply to me. And I'm pretty sure she don't want dash over there and then anything else we could think of. Isn't that so nice?
Tim Bam
That is so thoughtful. I think more women wish they had people who was like making a schedule for their baby, you know?
AJ Holiday
Yeah. So we going to fill out this, this calendar of events and make sure we. We help our friend out.
Tim Bam
Yeah, do it, man.
AJ Holiday
At least the first month child, so she can get acclimated. Because we old mamas out here, man. 40 year old mamas. What you had going on this weekend, I.
Tim Bam
You know what? I'm so locked in with this 75 heart. All I did was work out. I mean on Easter Sunday I did. I did not get up and go to church, but I did get up and go to the lake and I work walked four miles around the lake.
AJ Holiday
Oh, nice.
Tim Bam
And I listened to church as I was experiencing the earth. I thought that was good know. So I did that Sunday morning. And then after I finished listening to church and getting my work, my walk on, I came home and I laid out on the grass and smoked the joint because it was also 4:20. So I celebrated everything.
AJ Holiday
I saw a post that said, I don't know who gonna be high this Sunday, me or Jesus.
Tim Bam
Who's the most high?
AJ Holiday
Who's the most high? So you participated in all the things this past weekend.
Tim Bam
So y'all lift me up in prayer because trying to travel. I haven't been traveling. You know, it's because class has been over for two weeks now and I'm about to travel again. Starting tomorrow, I gotta go to Philly, then back to New York, then Atlanta, all in one week and do two workouts a day. So y'all keep me prayed up because I don't know if I'm gonna be able to make it, but I'm gonna try my best. I'm gonna. So I thought about going to the airport early and walking on the, you know, the little roller walkway. The little. It'd be flat, but it's like a. It's like an escalator, but it's flat.
AJ Holiday
Mm.
Tim Bam
I thought about Getting on that and walking backwards on it.
AJ Holiday
But how is that? It's just getting you to the other side faster. It's not like a real workout.
Tim Bam
Yeah, but I'm talking about walking opposite, the opposite direction on it. Oh, for 45 minutes in the morning.
AJ Holiday
That is treadmill. Yeah, that is a treadmill. You'll look stupid, but try it.
Tim Bam
I gotta get my 45 minutes in some kind of way. Shame, but yeah, that's it. I ain't do but work out and drink water and pee.
AJ Holiday
Isn't it always the thing that's on the forefront of your mind? Every day I'm beating my back, I gotta lose weight. I gotta stop eating. I gotta. I gotta. It just. It just clouds my judgment about everything else in life because I just feel like I gotta do that first.
Tim Bam
Everything else falls in line behind that.
AJ Holiday
Exactly. But look, then when you do the workout, you feel like accomplished for the whole day. Like I gotta do nothing else.
Tim Bam
I've done all that God needed me to do to today.
AJ Holiday
No, but for real, once you like conquer the diet, man, everything else in life gets easier.
Tim Bam
I do feel like after this 15 days, I do feel like I have like a new level of clarity going on. I feel very happy. I have so much joy right now. I think it's the endorphins that are flowing because of all the exercising. So I can't complain. I won't complain. I'm in a good space nicely.
AJ Holiday
That's what matters. The motion, that the mental. I mean the physical workout, that mental workout will kick your ass too. So if you feeling good mentally, man, that's. That's really what matters.
Tim Bam
Amen.
AJ Holiday
How y'all feeling mentally? Y'all good? Y'all niggas good out there? Let us know, right?
Tim Bam
We care.
AJ Holiday
Absolutely. So let's get into. Let's get into stupid Internet news, y'all.
Tim Bam
Let's go.
AJ Holiday
So Shannon Sharp, he's facing a 50 million million dollar lawsuit over an alleged sexual assault accusation. Basically, it says the hall of fame tight end Shannon Sharp made headlines last week in connection with his pursuit of a nine figure podcast deal. This week he's facing an eight figure lawsuit. Sharp pursuit on Sunday by a woman proceeding under the Jane DOE pseudonym. The 13 page civil complaint filed in Nevada state court alle is that Sharp committed assault, sexual assault, battery and sexual battery and that he engaged in the intentional inflection of emotional distress. The plaintiff claims that they embarked on a rocky consensual relationship that lasted nearly two years. The complaint alleges that Sharp recorded Their sexual activities. Well, we know he like to record just accidentally, accidentally went live last year and y'all don't forget that. But I'm not saying like, like he sexually assaulted anybody. But anyway, something without her knowledge. So basically he's recorded some without her knowledge and that he was sharing the videos with others without her permission or, or knowledge. The complaint contends that it was another woman, not the pluth with whom Sharp was having sex with. He accidentally live streamed the encounter on Instagram. Okay, so she's saying it wasn't her for the Instagram post, but this is something prior to that. Very interesting though.
Tim Bam
See, I don't be one. Like when someone says they've been sexually assaulted, my instinct is to believe them. But however comma, lately there do. It does seem like a, you know, a money grab oftentimes, you know, so.
AJ Holiday
It'S just the same attorneys.
Tim Bam
Yeah. And it, and it makes it difficult to trust that everybody is being just, you know, so I mean, he doesn't strike me as the type that needs to or wants to take, you know, don't strike me as that type. But you never know. You know, you never know. What do I know? You know? But.
AJ Holiday
On this show and you know, this person saying that he, she was in a two year relationship with him, um, and sometimes even consent within a relationship could look kind of weird, you know what I'm saying? People may not consider like me not wanting to have sex and then your boyfriend like forcing you to kind of have sex. Like that can be considered a problem, you know what I'm saying? And I think it probably happens to women in relationships. They just don't speak on it because this is my boyfriend.
Tim Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
Sort of thing. So it could be that she's reflecting and now she may feel like, you know, I was uncomfortable in that situation. See, you know. But yeah, it's the same attorneys that's always on these lawsuits and after the MeToo movement. And I know y'all probably can't stand Candace Owens. Okay. But I do watch Candace Owens, but she's been doing a special on Harvey Weinstein as of lately and actually reading and looking into the lawsuit against him during that time, which, because I think Harvey Weinstein, like his case kind of pretty much kicked off the MeToo movement. There's a lot of, a lot of situations where I just don't think we should automatically believe women just because it's a woman saying that something happened to them. I think that's kind of dangerous.
Tim Bam
You know, there was a time where I would have been like, what woman is gonna, you know, being naive to people's greed and like that. Like, what woman is lying about somebody? You know? Believe. Believe her. That was my energy.
AJ Holiday
But this is the funniest thing about the Harvey Weinstein in this lawsuit. Some of the women, like the. The main Jane. Well, they're not even Jane does anymore. The main people who are basically, like. They're the ones that ultimately got him put behind bars. They actually. A lot of people got. They shit got thrown out of court because they asked them to describe his penis and they couldn't. So back in the 90s, the nigga had his balls taken off because he had gangrene. So if they describing a penis with balls, they would be lying. So a lot of women.
Tim Bam
I was about to do it, but I'm sorry, I ain't gonna do that.
AJ Holiday
Do it, do it, do it.
Tim Bam
Oh, my God. It was short, and it was shaped like a funnel, and the dolls were very long.
AJ Holiday
And you would be lying if you were talking about Harvey Weinstein. Exactly. You don't have none.
Tim Bam
Exactly.
AJ Holiday
So it was a lot of situation like, this is. You know what that made me think of.
Tim Bam
This ain't funny. But I. Lord knows I would make a joke out of everything. What movie was like, say, I know you want these nuts.
AJ Holiday
I know you want these nuts, girl. You know you want these nuts. No, he said a little bit more like, girl, you know you want these nuts. What movie is that?
Tim Bam
Booty Call.
AJ Holiday
Booty Call. That's what it was. He wanted to eat that coochie with the Saran Wrap and all that. Booty call. I know you wouldn't accept.
Tim Bam
Hold on.
AJ Holiday
We don't hop the Booty Call to damn Harvey Weinstein. All this. This is about Shannon Sharp. So hopefully Shannon Sharp gets out of this mess season. And hopefully he. Hopefully his allegations just aren't true. You know what I'm saying? And he can. He can. I don't. I just hope he just doesn't try to put a statement out to try to prove himself in the court of public opinion. Just stay quiet. Let your attorneys handle it. Maybe you pull a little Jay Z. Put a little.
Tim Bam
What if he did it? Then he needs to pray.
AJ Holiday
No, absolutely. But we'll see. I'm not ever interested in having someone guilty and then they got to prove themselves innocent. That's. Yeah. So everybody's. And it's. Yeah. And then, you know, the way they go after the civil lawsuits, instead of calling the police when the thing actually happened and reported it, reporting it that gives me. I. That gives me pause too. I'm side eyeing, like, right, you want to do a civil lawsuit. Now, 20 years later, right.
Tim Bam
I still feel like I should sue Applebees. Every time I hear stories like this. Is it too late, I would say.
AJ Holiday
To say the company I should sue or could sue for sexual harassment? Because it was actually a woman at a bank and I used to work like customer service and she would come and put her titties on your back. And it wasn't until years later when her and another female got fired because they got caught having sex on the job. This lady was a lesbian the whole time. And probably getting off my brow, girl.
Tim Bam
Be putting her titties on my shoulder when she doing my eyebrows. But I like it.
AJ Holiday
I do not like this.
Tim Bam
White titties, little pillows. Hold up. I was like, like, Jennifer, back up. This is nice. I'm tired.
AJ Holiday
Such a man.
Tim Bam
Kevin Gates versus LeBron. So I don't know if y'all caught this. Kevin Gates posted a response to LeBron James in Savannah following their previous post, seemingly reacting to his initial comments in which he stated he wouldn't trade places with the athlet sleep because he doesn't like the way his wife Savannah looks at him. And it was weird because. Why are you even commenting on that?
AJ Holiday
Like, come from.
Tim Bam
Yeah, it was very left field for you to even give a about Savannah, how she's looking at LeBron and how you wouldn't, you absolutely would want to trade places with LeBron. LeBron James. Let's just be clear. That is very rich and very successful and he can have his way. But he love his wife. So what? And she love him. What is your. What's the shit?
AJ Holiday
They've been together for a long time. So if I'm not looking at you with starry eyes, it's probably because, yeah, we got some years of between us, Right? Nonetheless, I love you. You are the father of my children. I wouldn't have it no other way. Kevin Gates is such a messy devo.
Tim Bam
Yeah, he liked the way the white look at him. But LeBron commented. He posted a picture of Savannah looking, staring at him. And she's smiling and she looks so happy. He said we don't entertain peasants. Basically. Where's the next period queen? Where's who next queen period. She ain't gotta say nothing.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. Cause what Kevin Gates need to be checking on Drika Fine ass over in that motherfucking farm.
Tim Bam
She over there eating fresh fruit and.
AJ Holiday
Don'T give her weed and lingerie and Looking fine. You around here trotting around with Brittany Rayner all of a sudd. The Muslim.
Tim Bam
What's going on? What is that about?
AJ Holiday
I don't know. And I. I've been seeing, like. I hadn't really looked into it because I really just don't give a. I can't.
Tim Bam
Yeah, I can't pay it. Energy.
AJ Holiday
Kevin Gates. I literally just googled last week to see what hit because I just knew he was an Aquarius. He's not, though. So I had to look up. I forgot what he. What he was. But he's not an Aquarius. But he just gives Aquarius vibes. For sure. I'm wrong. The is an Aquarius. I literally. Who the did I look up? His birthday is February 5th. This is an Aquarius.
Tim Bam
What does that mean? You say that like I don't know what that means. Now, what does that mean when I.
AJ Holiday
Tell you I can see an Aquarius? All I need to do is hit him, speak a little bit. And I know exactly who the I'm dealing with. Aquarius men are very, very, very smart, highly intellectual people. And they fucking crazy at the same time. Like, really, like mad scientists type crazy people. Very manipulative. It's almost like a sickness. I can see. Girl. Fuck Kevin Gates. I know I talk about the women, y'all. I love Aquarius women. Like my oldest sister's Aquarius and she's one of the nicest people in the world. But the men are different species of human. They may not even be human. Okay. Is something wrong with them?
Tim Bam
Who is who? That's your ex.
AJ Holiday
Yes, but I have, like, anytime a woman is telling me about somebody, I'm like, is he an Aquarius?
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AJ Holiday
Like, just based off the descriptive type of things that they might be going through with this person. It's all I swear to either it's Aquarius or Scorpio. I could point them out.
Tim Bam
Yeah. I love me a Scorpio, though.
AJ Holiday
No, Scorpio's gonna the at you forever.
Tim Bam
That's why I love Scorpio.
AJ Holiday
Them got dick. They definitely gonna the out of you. And they can make babies all day long too. But them got some with them too, man. They. They. You gonna be feel possessed with a Scorpio.
Tim Bam
We get on. I. This ain't on the docket, but I gotta throw this in there. Yeah, I saw Centers over the weekend. Well, I saw it on Thursday on the first night. Y'all, that Michael B. Jordan. I almost forgot about him for a little while because then Jonathan, he'd be fine.
AJ Holiday
On film.
Tim Bam
He's so fine. On film. Listen, I ain't never wanted to brothers. It was him. It was him twice. He was a twin. But.
AJ Holiday
He played twins in the movie.
Tim Bam
He played twins in the movie.
AJ Holiday
Okay, I can't wait to see that. I haven't seen it yet.
Tim Bam
Smoke and stack.
AJ Holiday
Oh, okay.
Tim Bam
And they can smoke and stack me any time of the day. Okay. Y'all go see Center Support Black Films.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, I can't wait to watch that.
Tim Bam
Movie you are gonna really enjoy.
AJ Holiday
Now I already know without even seeing the film, but just seeing like the. The preview and stuff like that.
Tim Bam
Subliminals and yes, I like watching educational tv.
AJ Holiday
I like watching. I'm gonna learn something from or that confirms things. I already think those are the type of movies I like.
Tim Bam
You're gonna really enjoy it.
AJ Holiday
Yes. And I already think the is real life vampires, like we think they only exist in movies. No, they do not. I believe vampires really exist in real life. And then you got people who just be sucking people's energy.
Tim Bam
Yeah, I'm about to say that's what I believe.
AJ Holiday
Vampire. Yeah, those type of vampires. But. And maybe the movie was like a. Like a subliminal thing like that. Yeah. All right, so I'll see it. Okay. So Tracy Ellis Ross. So you y'all know our. Our previous prior first lady Michelle Obama and her brother, they have a podcast called Emo, imo. So Tracy Ellis Ross did a recent episode of Emo. And you know, she's a 52 year old woman. She's never been married, she didn't have any children. This is Diana Ross's daughter and you know, she gets. They get into a little bit about, you know, just being that age, being single, dating, date dating, younger men, all the things. So this, I guess that is that on a docket for stupid Internet news and our topic this week because I want to talk about that episode.
Tim Bam
Yeah, I got two takeaways. Let's get into it. Let's. Let's take our break and let's really deep dive into this because, you know, I love me and yn, this could be our life.
AJ Holiday
Right?
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AJ Holiday
The first two months of 2025 have been quite a year.
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AJ Holiday
You dreamed it would and someone making.
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Yeah, don't get me started.
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AJ Holiday
All right, so we're back, and yeah, we want to talk about. I don't know if y'all watched it. Let us know if you did, but Tracee Ellis was on, in my opinion.
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AJ Holiday
Did you watch it, Sam?
Tim Bam
I did watch it. I thought it was interesting what, you know, Tracee Ellis Ross had to say about how men of her generation had a certain level of toxic masculinity that she just could not subscribe to, and that younger men were more open in their thoughts about gender fluidity and homosexuality and gender roles and. And, you know, in what's going on in modern society.
Michelle Obama
Because, I mean, we've talked about this that often. I date younger men, and a lot of it is because. Let's stop on that, folks. Oh, my God. We had a great dinner on that one. We had a great dinner. By the way, where across the table your husband goes, but why? And I said, well, maybe because I can.
AJ Holiday
Yes, Parish. This is what I'm saying.
Michelle Obama
Tales from Tracy's.
AJ Holiday
It's fun.
Michelle Obama
It's very fun to share.
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AJ Holiday
Tails.
Tim Bam
But.
Michelle Obama
But one of the reasons, though, that. Because I had to ask myself that question, I was like, what is this about? Because I want a partner. And so often, and it's not just that I'm older, I'm also very embodied. I am a full, very whole person who knows myself, who is in charge of my life, and who lives a very full, just robust life. So it's not just age, it's like life experience and sort of a difference. But I had to ask myself the question, why? Why does this keep sort of coming up other than they're hot and gorge?
AJ Holiday
There's that.
Michelle Obama
There's that. But a lot of men my age are steeped in A toxic masculinity and have been raised in a culture where there is a particular way that a relationship looks for one part, I heard.
AJ Holiday
Her say, saying that she would be out with maybe a guy of her age and the things that they would say about other groups of people, she would be looking like, are you crazy? You can't say stuff like that. So she leans more towards the more modern approach to gender. Right. Which is fluidity. You know, you could be who you want to be type, man, you know, you get older generations of people, even we 80s, 80s, babies, we may not see that the same as somebody born in 2000s. Right. You're gay, you know, it ain't no buy type. You know what I'm saying? It just depends on the. I do think that's generational though, right. Maybe she's a little bit more liberal in that, in that matter. So she leans towards, like the younger generation when it comes to. I don't know what that has to do with a man that she's in a relationship with, though.
Tim Bam
Yeah. So it may consider why I don't typically date men older than me. And I always attributed it to me being childish, you know, but perhaps there's more to it than that, you know, like what it is.
AJ Holiday
She just don't. She just didn't say that, though, that she childish too.
Tim Bam
Yes, but we are kids anymore. We're not childish. Like, I'm not. Like, I'm not a child, so I don't think it's me being childish. Maybe a long time ago that would have made sense, but at this age, it's just. I don't know a lot, so I don't have. I think sometimes I don't have children. So younger men typically aren't parents, you know, so that's easier. If I want to get up and go to Africa Friday, I need somebody who can get up and go too, you know, so I'm attracted to someone who can move like I can. And then also I think it's nice to have someone that ain't done done at all. Damn. I can't do nothing new with you.
AJ Holiday
Because you sound like a man. That's why men like younger women, you know, I'm saying, like, they're easily malleable. Right. Manipulate. Like when I. When I see an older person saying, like, they date younger, not you. Right. And not even her. Just. Just some. Like, we may look at men like this. The minute a man says he wants a younger woman, we automatically think manipulation man or woman. I'm thinking that we Know that the younger person isn't already set in their ways. Right. So you think that you could probably help mold a little bit, and that might be another thing that she didn't say. Another thing you're not saying right now.
Tim Bam
Shut up.
AJ Holiday
I just don't want to pack bag lunch and have to pick up dick and drop it off. That's why I don't like younger.
Tim Bam
I don't mind what you like. You like turkey on your sandwich, your hand.
AJ Holiday
I like. I like men my age. That's all. You know what I'm saying?
Tim Bam
I don't think my age or younger, but I typically don't like older men. Hey, you know what? I won't say. I don't even know. I haven't even given them a try to know. The last time I. With someone older than me, I was in my early 20s, you know, so I don't know. I might enjoy an older man and just don't even know it because I haven't even tried it. But then I typically. No, I'm about to lie as I say, I typically don't attract older men, but that's not true. I just don't be entertaining them. Then you know what? Then I. I also have an issue with my. More my mortality that I have to unpack with a therapist. But since y'all here and y'all listening, I'm gonna unpack with y'all older men. Makes me more aware of my mortality. There, I said it.
AJ Holiday
Really?
Tim Bam
Mm.
AJ Holiday
I mean, I understand that, right? But it's like, I don't. I don't know. I already look at death totally different anyway. I don't worry about that part of life. It has to happen. That's nothing that scares me. Like, once you conquer death, everything else is a fucking breeze.
Tim Bam
You don't conquer death until you do it.
AJ Holiday
No, you can conquer death mentally, whether it happens today or tomorrow. I'm okay with that. Like, I'm okay with getting the fuck up out of here. However, it may not. I just don't want to. I don't want to be alive and suffering. So you mean mortality meaning, like, just the process of getting older is what you're being reminded of, right? I don't have a problem with that either. My only problem with getting older is that I don't have a million dollars yet, which is work in progress.
Tim Bam
That's a problem right now.
AJ Holiday
I'm working on it right now. Right. That's my only problem about getting older. And then I do want a child. Right. Those are my Only two hang ups about getting older, honestly. But I wonder if Tracy Ellis Ross even, you know, she's 52, so she's, you know, a whole 10 years plus at this point than us. But maybe those, maybe, maybe she has those same, same, same hangups.
Tim Bam
So, yeah, looking at her, it's just like watching her talk about. Because her, you know, having, you know, pain with the fact that she never got married and she never became a mother. And I mean, she's okay with her life and she's happy because she says her life is full and robust, but she does feel some angst about not having those things ever accomplished. That was scarier than sinners watching her and saying, like, what if that becomes me? You know, so that is fearful that what if I never have a family? What if I never get married? And not saying that I won't be this joyous, happy person still. I think I still will. But there will be some pain associated with never having that experience.
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AJ Holiday
Yeah. So this is her. This is a little. So Ross discussed her inclination toward dating younger men, attributing this preference to the openness and emotional availability she often finds in them. She contrasted this with her experiences with men her age, whom she described as often entrenched in traditional gender roles. She did say gender roles. Okay. And toxic masculinity. Ross emphasized that she is no longer interested in relationships where she feels controlled or treated as a possession, stating, I have long been past the age where I feel like it's my job to teach somebody or grow them up. But when you're dealing with a younger person, you're gonna have to grow them up.
Tim Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
You know what I'm saying? So is she willing to deal with that from a younger person? More so could she just say, man, these older is on diabetes medicines and I don't want no hospice husband. Maybe that could be a point she ain't about to say in front of Michelle Obama. Right.
Tim Bam
But you know what? I don't. I. When it comes to health, I don't look at that because a young person can be sick. I've seen it, you know.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, yeah. These young dudes be on those. All those rhino from the gas station.
Tim Bam
Yeah. And listen, you drinking Red Bull, y'all better stop drinking that. That is. I always associate chemicals to the same that the Ninja Turtles drank in the sewer.
AJ Holiday
And people mix it with liquor. That's even more crazy.
Tim Bam
Oh, yeah. Stop putting that in your body. I like I'm in this mental space where everything. I'm looking at everything different.
AJ Holiday
Oh, Every aj, You're acting like me now.
Tim Bam
I'm slow. You're wearing off of you rubbing off of me candles. I'd be like, oh, that feels toxic.
AJ Holiday
Like, the little plug candles we burn is. You're literally sitting and inhaling in all that black smoke. You go to blow your nose, and all the black smoke is coming out.
Tim Bam
Like rubbing some smelly, smelly lotion on my arm. And I was like, what's in this? You know, just everything is now, like, what's in it? I don't want it.
AJ Holiday
Exactly. Yeah, but.
Tim Bam
And that's how I'm looking at men too, though. Like, what's in them? I don't.
AJ Holiday
Girl, I swear to God, y'all listen to me. I had. I did my. My physical early this year. Y'all know I'm in a whole relationship, right? But I just feel like I'm ripped me out the package, bitch. I'm acting brand new. Like, I just got the plastic. Like, once you got a super duper clean bill of health, you don't want nobody fucking your shit up, even the N you're with. That is how I feel like I need. Like, it's just. I don't know. And I'm okay. The. I'm in the plastic.
Tim Bam
Me too. Right now. All my wholeness got deleted. Ready to go.
AJ Holiday
I think I go to a different doctor for to delete that. Now I need to go to God, change everybody mind. Did not remember you.
Tim Bam
It ain't what you being called is what you answer to. Okay.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. Moved to a new zip code.
Tim Bam
Girl, you shut up.
AJ Holiday
All right, so now these are her reflections on marriage and motherhood. So, addressing her personal life choices, Ross expressed occasional grief over not having married or had children, acknowledging these as milestones she once envisioned her envisioned for herself. However, she affirmed her commitment with her life, highlighting her refusal to settle for a relationship that doesn't enhance her well being. She stated as much grief. As much as grief does surface for me around not having children. Children and not having a partner. I still wouldn't want the wrong partner. Now, that's a big. That's a big. Did a big one right there. Yeah, like, people. A lot of people are in relationships just because. Because of commitments. The key things like kids just not being able to stand on. Mm. So. And then we also know about men that they get married when they ready to. So whoever's in front of them, they're gonna marry, but they probably missed out on the one they actually really want. So now, nine times out of 10, if you probably marrying a man in their 40s. You might be his second option. The one he actually wanted. Got the fuck away from his ass.
Tim Bam
Mm.
AJ Holiday
So now you gotta deal with that. But you'll never know. You would never know.
Tim Bam
It's ugly out here, y'all.
AJ Holiday
It is.
Tim Bam
No, you know, it's beautiful out here, y'all. I changed my mind.
AJ Holiday
Mindset, right? You know, this is a. An important discussion because this could be us, right? We could be 52 with no children and not married. It could happen.
Tim Bam
I rebuke that in the name of Jesus.
AJ Holiday
I'm just saying it could happen. I mean, if you don't want. I feel like another part of this conversation I'm gonna get to in a minute, but is there really somebody for everybody that might not be true?
Tim Bam
No. Because the number of people don't match unless we are meant to be gay.
AJ Holiday
So let's go ahead and. Let's go ahead and get to that right quick.
Tim Bam
That's another conversation. Yeah, let's stay away from that.
AJ Holiday
That's still a somebody, right? May it be if we wanna do the non binary route. Right. It's still a somebody.
Tim Bam
I did enjoy them titties on the back of my. I was getting my eyebrows done, so.
AJ Holiday
I actually looked into this. So statistically speaking, with billions of people in the world, odds are there are many people who could be compatible with you. So in a purely numerical sense, yes, it's likely there's at least one someone, right? Spiritually speaking. Some believe in soul mates or divine timing, that the universe or God has aligned you with a specific person. If you believe in destiny or purpose driven connection. Connection, then yes, there's someone designed just for you when you're going to meet them. Could be 53. Who knows? Realistically speaking, not everyone finds or ends up with that someone. Life circumstances, timing, geography, personal choices. I think geography we kind of gotta narrow down a little bit because you got social media right.
Tim Bam
So you should be able to.
AJ Holiday
Whoever the. You know, you see your person like, damn, I like that. I like how he looked. Just if that's supposed to be the person for me, the initial attraction. And then you hop in the DM and then see what happens from there. But personal choices and trauma can affect whether you cross paths with them or recognize them when you do so, like speaking to the men in their 40s getting married. 40s and 50s getting married for the first time. Did you not recognize that woman you had before? I saw. I don't know what show this was, and I gotta find it because I want y'all to see it. It was just a quick clip. I didn't watch the full episode. But the guy, one of these dudes was actually at the. The St. Jude event last year in Memphis. But their guest said, you.
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AJ Holiday
Just three men. So the guest was also God. And he said, you guys are two eligible bachelors. And he said, there are women watching this episode, and they're going to see y'all like, damn, they too. Why they not marry? Type thing. So he was like, how does a woman, or what kind of woman, how would that woman have to be to get you to marry them? So the one guy was like, well, you know, there's a vetting process. He was like, okay, sure. So how long is the vetting process? And he said, like, two years. Like two years. And the guy, the guest was like, so you mean to tell me you want to meet a woman and know she's the one, but still make her wait two years? You're not really eligible bachelors. Y'all are just. Y'all are just bachelors. Y'all not really eligible. Y'all not really looking to be married. I know one of the guys is a divorcee who's on the podcast, but y'all not. Y'all out here playing with women.
Tim Bam
Two years. Yeah, that's too long.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. So y'all not really wanting to be married. Y'all are just wanting to play the field. Y'all want access to the one you want, and you want her to wait while you run through everybody else child.
Tim Bam
But here's the thing. I feel like men are starting to feel like engaging guys, correct me if I'm wrong, that marriage does not benefit them.
AJ Holiday
And that's because married men will tell you all day long how they benefit, probably wives.
Tim Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
From being married.
Tim Bam
I believe that because they say men live longer when they.
AJ Holiday
Women literally keep men alive.
Tim Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
You know, so you're single ass out here talking about, what's your benefit from marriage? You're gonna die early, earlier. So this thing about, is there somebody for everybody? So, philosophically speaking, maybe it's less about there being one perfect someone or more about becoming the kind of person who attracts and builds deep, healthy connections that shifts the focus inward, which can be empowering. So is there someone for everyone?
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AJ Holiday
But rather you find them. Right. Whether you find them might depend on timing, openness, and maybe a little faith. So my take from that is that, no, there may just not be somebody for everybody, especially if you can't find that person. If you're going to die at 75, you know what I'm saying? It's a possibility that if these are the things you're searching for somebody, like a soul mate and all, like, it might take a very long time. You may not. And one thing, Tracy Ellis Ross did say that I was like, oh, that's a good. That was a low line. She said chemistry is not. Is not a relationship, and love does not always include chemistry. So just because you have chemistry with somebody, just because you have chemistry with someone, that does not equate to a relationship. That does not necessarily mean that's the person you're supposed to be in a relationship with. And just because you love somebody, that doesn't mean you should automatically have all this chemistry.
Tim Bam
Right. I agree.
AJ Holiday
So that goes to, like learning to love who you with. So is it possible that makes you.
Tim Bam
Have more chemistry with my side than my man?
AJ Holiday
I'm joking, y'all.
Tim Bam
I'm joking. But it happens.
AJ Holiday
It's because that's where you putting the energy at your mental energy over there. Can't wait for the next time to get over there, like, to where you're neglecting the thing that's right in front of you. So that's why being in love is always like a state of mind. Like, you got to constantly do things to keep falling in love with the person you're with. Like Michelle Obama said, her and Barack, you know, they've been together 30 years, and she would say, like 10 years, 10 years out of those 30, we might not even like each other for a whole 10 years. I don't fuck with you. And then somehow we find a way to find.
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Tim Bam
Fall back in love with each other.
AJ Holiday
So if you are a single person with no kids, never been married, it's maybe you'd be dipping out of situations too quick because it's not looking exactly how you want it to look in that moment. You know what I'm saying?
Tim Bam
So that's why, you know, a lot of people are doing that. They. People, and I'm not gonna say people, without including me, can be very selfish.
AJ Holiday
Without including me.
Tim Bam
Yeah, yeah.
AJ Holiday
Because I think when you are by yourself for a good length of time, you. You like things a certain way. And, you know, instead of you, you're trying to find somebody that's going to meet everything you want, right? And then that person is then also trying to find somebody that's going to meet everything they want. You forget that. That there's compromise and some things you got to tweak about yourself. To make this thing work, the person has to be worth it. So you mean to tell me that by 52 years old, you haven't been able to find anybody that's worth the headache? You might just need to be by yourself because it's not going to be easy with anybody. Like, as much as we think love is supposed to be like this, just everyday flowers and LeBron James twinkle with Savannah James in the eyes every single day, it is just not like that. It is so hard cohabitating. It is so hard just being with somebody else for the rest of your life. Like.
Tim Bam
Since 2016. And I don't know who I would be in a house with another man, you know, with. Yeah, I don't know who I would be.
AJ Holiday
Girl, it's tough. Like, you probably haven't met him yet. Ain't nobody you've been with, like, would.
Tim Bam
You have a problem with me walking? So I. Sometimes I will go to the refrigerator ass naked. I will walk in my own kitchen ass naked, get something.
AJ Holiday
And I'm pretty sure there's no man that's gonna have a problem with you walking around naked.
Tim Bam
Right. But I also might not want to be touched.
AJ Holiday
Are you. Who the You. What are you talking about me?
Tim Bam
No. Do you do that?
AJ Holiday
Yes. I do not like to be fondled all the time. So when you living with a man and you walk around with ass and titties out, like, men are always like these predators, right? So imagine, like, not having space to just want. Because I come from a naked family. Like, everybody just be naked. If we can go outside like that, we would. You know, as soon as you hit the doors, just.
Tim Bam
I'm definitely. Yeah. Very comfortable being very huge.
AJ Holiday
So I like to be like that, especially in home. And imagine, like, somebody who just thinks that's fun time to grab your titties when you're just trying to go get some water.
Tim Bam
Yeah, I don't always. That's why I just imagine, like, can I go get my water ethnic and not have to have sex. So. Yeah, but we'll see. I mean, that's not. I mean, ain't no problem. I gotta get the man first, I guess.
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AJ Holiday
So just to wrap this up so in the episode on In My Opinion, Tracee Ellis Ross also talked about like embracing independence, what we're talking which we're talking about right now, and personal growth. Ross spoke about embracing her independence and personal growth that has come from navigating life on her own terms. So single people doing their own thing. She shared that she has learned to live fully and enjoy life without waiting for a partner. Reflecting on the courage and resilience she has developed, she remarked, sometimes I think of all the things I've done, the courage that I have had to have and what I've learned, you know, what I've learned to do as a single person. So this is how she deals with now. Not having found that person, not having had kids, she fell in love with herself. So once you completely fall in love with yourself and now you're 52 out here dating and you're dating younger men and you be thirst trapping sometimes on the Internet like a younger woman, what are you really looking for?
Tim Bam
I don't feel like Thirst trap have no age limits. As long as you can keep them quenching. Keep them quenching baby girl.
AJ Holiday
Yeah but you know there's a difference between getting and getting. You can get niggas all day long but our keeping you are you keeping the niggas. It goes both ways. Some people I don't think women look and we don't look at ourselves sometimes. We just always think it's an external problem. You see what I'm saying? We got to do some self evaluation is what I'm saying.
Tim Bam
No, I agree.
AJ Holiday
Sometimes you got to do. You got to self evaluate. Is it maybe. Maybe you are an impossible person. Why she hasn't found somebody she like. I'm pretty sure she has had some extensive therapy, so I'm not gonna. Not gonna say like, but maybe there is just not somebody for everybody. And maybe she's just to date and teach other people things until she get the fuck up off this planet. Who knows? Who knows? Because she's a beautiful woman. Banging body at 52.
Tim Bam
Okay.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. Who wouldn't want to have her? We'll never know. Like, look at Halle Berry. Halle Berry has had so many husbands. She in love again right now. And maybe. Maybe that's a thing too. Like, you don't have to settle even when you in a relationship. Who's next?
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Tim Bam
Throughout life.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, throughout life. Maybe we aren't supposed to just be staying with this one person forever.
Tim Bam
All right, listen. I have enjoyed variety. Like, once I got, like, not y'all hold on.
AJ Holiday
Because that's not even just. Just conversation with different people.
Tim Bam
Yeah. I have enjoyed experiencing different people and different perspectives and different conversations and different senses of humor and things like that. I. You know, it might be difficult to just have this one forever.
AJ Holiday
I don't know, man.
Tim Bam
We.
AJ Holiday
We talk about non monogamy a lot ad nauseam on. We talk back. And is that more reasonable? Is it more reasonable? Does it make more sense? I think just people like, knowing you can get burned and shit like that. That's really what keep people with one person. Bitch, if people couldn't catch an std, they'll be having threesomes around here or babies, right? I tell my body when to get pregnant. If we could do some shit like that, then it'd be on and popping, I think. I don't know. I don't know what y'all think. Y'all check out that episode. And I got a whole nother whole. A whole bunch of other thoughts on first lady having a podcast also. No, I don't know about that shit anyway. Why that shit is fucking weird to me. Like, we have enough podcasts.
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AJ Holiday
We talk back, right? Our regular asses having conversations about relationships and everything else. Like, I need y'all to have the podcast from the first lady. Gotta have a little bit more depth as far as I can see.
Tim Bam
How many episodes have you seen I don't know.
AJ Holiday
That was the only one.
Tim Bam
Yeah. So you haven't even seen enough.
AJ Holiday
You saw some other episodes?
Tim Bam
No, that's why I can't. I can't form an opinion about it yet. I haven't.
AJ Holiday
Just relationships being one topic with a 52 year old on there, like I. I don't know, I'm side eyeing all that old ass.
Tim Bam
You know, it's probably people saying the.
AJ Holiday
Same about us and, and they can have that opinion. The difference between me and other people is I don't like, I, I have your opinion. It's fine. Don't infringe on mine.
Tim Bam
I agree. But I'm saying like, like, hey, mirror, look in the mirror. The advice you talk about them apply to yourself.
AJ Holiday
I'm doing all the things too. But I never been the first lady. I don't claim to be the first lady. Yeah. I just feel like that that's a different echelon of conversation needs to be being had. I don't know. Maybe it's just me, you know, I don't know. Maybe it's just me. Anyway.
Tim Bam
Well, we all got to have relationships, right?
AJ Holiday
I guess.
Tim Bam
First lady and everybody in between.
AJ Holiday
Well, her brother sitting up on there. Yeah. And that's what y'all like anyway. That's more competition. They need to get out the way. Why are y'all in this lane? Why are y'all in this lane?
Tim Bam
Listen, we all, we all want to be loved. We all want health.
AJ Holiday
Think of people talking.
Tim Bam
Not only we talk back. You sick of people talking. It's crazy.
AJ Holiday
Get why the is the first lady in our lane is what I'm saying. Do you understand what I'm saying? Like why are you in this lane? Go talk about something else or go do something different. Ain't y'all doing movies now? What? Why are y'all in this lane?
Tim Bam
She said she could do whatever the you want, Michelle.
AJ Holiday
All right, y'all. If you enjoyed this episode, y'all tune in every Thursday on the Black Effect iHeartRadio app. Wherever the you get your podcast at. This is your co host, AJ Holiday 2.0 on Instagrams. Kick it big Tim, y'all.
Tim Bam
It's official Tam band on Instagram. Y'all follow me. I love y'all so, so very much.
AJ Holiday
Remember, speak now and never hold your.
Tim Bam
Y N. Cause we coming to get them deuces.
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Com.
Podcast Title: We Talk Back
Hosts: AJ Holiday & Tim Bam
Episode: What's Up With The YN's
Release Date: April 24, 2025
Produced By: The Black Effect and iHeartPodcasts
"We Talk Back," hosted by AJ Holiday and Tim Bam, is a vibrant podcast where two unapologetically Black women navigate the complexities of modern femininity with humor, candidness, and insightful discussions. In the episode titled "What's Up With The YN's," released on April 24, 2025, AJ and Tim delve into personal experiences, current events, and deep dives into relationships, offering listeners a blend of laughter and thoughtful conversation.
The episode begins with AJ Holiday and Tim Bam sharing their recent activities and personal updates. AJ recounts helping her friend Laquandra prepare for her upcoming baby, emphasizing the strength of supportive friendships.
AJ Holiday [04:07]: "We went over there and helped her unpack all her baby stuff and sanitize her baby bottles... I cannot wait for this dude to touch down little Cameron."
Tim shares his commitment to fitness, detailing his Easter weekend workout regimen, which includes a four-mile walk around the lake and some well-deserved relaxation.
Tim Bam [06:48]: "I did feel like I have a new level of clarity... lots of joy because of the exercising."
The conversation shifts to health and mental well-being. Both hosts discuss the balance between physical fitness and mental clarity, highlighting how workouts contribute to their overall happiness and stability.
AJ Holiday [08:19]: "...it just clouds my judgment about everything else in life because I just feel like I gotta do that first."
Tim Bam [08:58]: "I've done all that God needed me to do to today."
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing Shannon Sharpe's recent 50 million dollar lawsuit over alleged sexual assault accusations. AJ Holiday breaks down the details of the lawsuit, providing context and summarizing the key points of the civil complaint.
AJ Holiday [09:44]: "Shannon Sharp made headlines last week in connection with his pursuit of a nine figure podcast deal... this week he's facing an eight figure lawsuit."
Tim Bam shares his thoughts on the situation, expressing a mix of belief and skepticism regarding the motivations behind the lawsuit.
Tim Bam [11:20]: "I don't be one. Like when someone says they've been sexually assaulted, my instinct is to believe them. But... lately, it does seem like a money grab oftentimes."
The hosts delve into broader discussions about the MeToo movement, exploring the challenges of balancing belief in victims with concerns about potential misuse of allegations for financial gain. They reflect on historical cases like Harvey Weinstein's to illustrate the complexities involved.
AJ Holiday [12:32]: "I just don't think we should automatically believe women just because it's a woman saying that something happened to them. I think that's kind of dangerous."
Tim Bam [13:32]: "There was a time where I would have been like, what woman is gonna, you know, being naive to people's greed and like that. Like, what woman is lying about somebody? Believe. Believe her. That was my energy."
The conversation takes a humorous turn as they discuss the challenges in verifying accusations, particularly referencing behavioral anecdotes of well-known figures.
AJ Holiday [14:08]: "You would be lying if you were talking about Harvey Weinstein. Exactly. You don't have none."
A core segment of the episode revolves around relationships, specifically the dynamics of dating younger men versus older partners. This discussion is sparked by Tracee Ellis Ross's appearance on her podcast "Emo, IMO," where she discusses her preference for younger men due to perceived openness and emotional availability.
AJ Holiday [27:19]: "Did you watch it, Sam?"
Tim Bam [27:20]: "I did watch it. I thought it was interesting what, you know, Tracee Ellis Ross had to say about how men of her generation had a certain level of toxic masculinity..."
They explore the concept of toxic masculinity, generational differences in relationship expectations, and how these factors influence dating choices.
Tim Bam [29:00]: "So it may consider why I don't typically date men older than me."
Reflecting on Tracee Ellis Ross's insights, AJ and Tim discuss the importance of independence and personal growth. They emphasize that embracing one's own journey is crucial, even when traditional relationship milestones like marriage and children aren't part of one's immediate plans.
AJ Holiday [35:00]: "She expressed occasional grief over not having married or had children... but she affirmed her commitment with her life."
AJ Holiday [44:28]: "Love does not always include chemistry. Just because you have chemistry... does not equate to a relationship."
The hosts engage in a philosophical debate about the notion of soulmates and whether there's someone for everyone. They consider statistical possibilities, personal experiences, and societal beliefs, ultimately pondering whether relationships are about finding the "perfect" match or fostering mutual growth and understanding.
AJ Holiday [40:24]: "Statistically speaking, with billions of people, odds are there are many people who could be compatible with you."
Tim Bam [43:45]: "Because married men will tell you all day long how they benefit, probably wives."
As the episode draws to a close, AJ and Tim reiterate the importance of self-love, personal growth, and realistic expectations in relationships. They encourage listeners to focus on their own well-being and to remain open to possibilities, even if traditional relationship paths aren't immediately visible.
AJ Holiday [55:37]: "Who wouldn't want to have her? We'll never know. Like, look at Halle Berry. Halle Berry has had so many husbands. She in love again right now."
Tim Bam [56:36]: "We talk about non monogamy a lot ad nauseam on. We talk back. And is that more reasonable?"
AJ Holiday [04:07]: "We went over there and helped her unpack all her baby stuff and sanitize her baby bottles... I cannot wait for this dude to touch down little Cameron."
Tim Bam [06:48]: "I did feel like I have a new level of clarity... lots of joy because of the exercising."
AJ Holiday [08:19]: "...it just clouds my judgment about everything else in life because I just feel like I gotta do that first."
Tim Bam [11:20]: "I don't be one. Like when someone says they've been sexually assaulted, my instinct is to believe them. But... lately, it does seem like a money grab oftentimes."
AJ Holiday [12:32]: "I just don't think we should automatically believe women just because it's a woman saying that something happened to them. I think that's kind of dangerous."
AJ Holiday [35:00]: "She expressed occasional grief over not having married or had children... but she affirmed her commitment with her life."
AJ Holiday [44:28]: "Love does not always include chemistry. Just because you have chemistry... does not equate to a relationship."
Conclusion:
In "What's Up With The YN's," AJ Holiday and Tim Bam offer a refreshing blend of humor, honesty, and insightful commentary on personal growth, relationships, and societal issues. Their candid discussions encourage listeners to reflect on their own lives, embrace independence, and approach relationships with a balanced perspective. Whether you're navigating the sea of modern relationships or seeking a bit of levity and wisdom, this episode provides valuable takeaways and relatable conversation.
Tune in to "We Talk Back" every Thursday on the Black Effect iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts for more engaging discussions.