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AJ Holiday
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Tam Bam
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AJ Holiday
Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, a production of iHeartRadio and the Black Effect Network.
Tam Bam
We're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion who talks?
AJ Holiday
What's up, y'?
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What's up, Tam? Bam?
Tam Bam
It's 10 Bam. I love y' all so much. Y' all came back again. What's up, aj? What you do this weekend?
AJ Holiday
I came back again. Damn it. I'm tired as hell, man.
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Tam Bam
Tell us about your trip.
AJ Holiday
Ah, man, my trip was very good. It was very relaxing. And I went to the spa two times. I got a chocolate. I've. I can count how many times in life I've had a massage. How about you? You've had a lot of massages.
Tam Bam
I have to get them all the time now.
AJ Holiday
I feel like I need to get massages because I never knew that I needed them. So I had got a lymphatic massage with like a bamboo stick, got rolled out, and then I did like, a chocolate. They use the cacao seeds, like, you know, that makes chocolate, and they, like make like an exfoliant out of it.
Tam Bam
Oh, I bet your body soft.
AJ Holiday
Yes, I was very soft. Butt naked. They put it on my butt and everything.
Tam Bam
Nice.
AJ Holiday
I ate a lot of food.
Tam Bam
Were you energized after the cacao scrub? Because I feel like that's like low key cocaine scrub.
AJ Holiday
I feel like. I mean, you have sleeping debt. Well, I don't be sleeping. It's like you be in a meditative state. Damn near. Because I know everything that's going on. It's just so weird. It's when you get up off the table, it's almost like you feel like you were sleeping. But I wasn't sleeping.
Tam Bam
Just so relaxed.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. When lady said something, like, I was responding to her, but I felt asleep. And then when I got up, like, girl, the first time, I took my whole wig off and sat there on the table. Get that chocolate on my. I. I ate a lot of nice foods. I went to Pura Viejo, Costa Rica. It was a lot of traveling to get there. I had to catch a plane. I had to catch two planes. Anna. Uber. A car ride to where I was going, an hour car ride. Like when I say two planes, I got to Costa Rica and I had to get like a little small ass jet. Scary. Yeah. And I went to sleep on that, on the plane. And when I. When I woke up, everyone was like, have you done this before? Because I guess they were like, high strung. I'm like, no. Oh, my God. I was scared the whole time. Like, girl, I'm not about to die on a plane. So I'm like, sleep. I'm not, I'm not dying on a plane. That's not how I'm getting out of here.
Kel Penn
Me neither.
Tam Bam
That's why I can't sleep. Just in case the pilot need me to take over.
AJ Holiday
But I'm gonna tell y' all I almost drowned over there.
Tam Bam
For real?
AJ Holiday
Yes. And I wasn't gonna tell anybody. I wasn't even gonna tell my boyfriend,
Tam Bam
girl, until like, like my birthday that time. You almost drowned?
AJ Holiday
Yes, bitch. So now here it is. That this is the second time in life, right? Yeah. That, that was very scary because I was drunk.
Tam Bam
I was about to jump in. They was like, what are you doing? I was like, I'm going to get my friend.
AJ Holiday
And you know, more people drown in lakes than in the ocean actually pulling
Tam Bam
you under the boat, right? Yeah, the.
AJ Holiday
Yes. The current underneath the. In the lake or the spirit.
Tam Bam
So whoever.
AJ Holiday
Underneath that child. Because that most lakes are built on top of old communities. But yeah. So y', all, I was in Playa Playa Colis beach in Costa Rica because it was near where I was staying at and you know, I was doing some old spiritual out there. So I'm. I go into the water. When I say the water is underneath my titties, like I. My feet are on the ground. All of a sudden my feet are no longer on the ground. Big stupid ass waves are coming. I'm not even that far off the shore. Okay. But now it's like they, they have crazy ass rip tides and undercurrents. So it's like pushing me forward, but it's pulling me back even more when it. Yeah. So it takes you out to sea essentially. And so I really had to like calm down. Right. Because I'm not dying in the water. I had to calm down first because really you should just let the current take you kind of and it'll eventually kind of calm down so you can swim. But if you're trying to swim, you're going to start getting out of breath because you panicking and everything else. So I just had to let it take me a little bit and then swim back to shore. But I wasn't going to tell anybody until I'm sitting eating dinner and something. Just say, actually Google. So I Google, you know, drownings at this particular beach. Malcolm J. Jamal Warner, that is the beach he died at from the Cosby show, girl. I said, oh, well, see, that's why
Tam Bam
I don't play in the water. I do not. I don't go past. I'll sit close enough. One level, one sit where you can't tell I'm peeing.
AJ Holiday
That is my deepest.
Tam Bam
I'mma go.
AJ Holiday
And I mean, it's so beautiful out there. And then, you know, the next day I went to another side of the beach where they had like pools offshore that came up like, you know, and then they had like, the coral was separating like the big water from, from like these small pockets of pools, basically. So it was nice, man. But yeah, man, that, that almost had me. And crazy thing is I, I could see this white man looking at me, directly at me. And it was so like, traumatic to where I was about to scream, help. Right? But then I got my bearings and I got up out of there. But I saw, I could see this man looking at me and I'm like having my hand reaching out, reaching out. Like I'm reaching for the shore, essentially.
Tam Bam
And he just is looking, he's just gonna watch you float out to sea.
AJ Holiday
And it's just so weird because I was not that far out. And then all of a sudden I was far out.
Tam Bam
Damn.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, it's, it's fucking crazy, man. Well, gotta be careful.
Tam Bam
I'm glad. Did you put that air tag in yours?
AJ Holiday
No, I'm good. Girl, listen, I'm good. Listen, I don't know a stranger, cuz I got friends in Costa Rica now, okay? The people at the restaurant, the, at the spa, like, yes, I got people I can go see next time I go over there if I go back to that particular side. But it's beautiful, man. And it's not an expensive trip either. Now I, I, I plan my last minute, so it was kind of expensive. But if you are looking for a good, inexpensive, nice, you know, trip, try Costa Rica. Now, they do have one side, the Persian side or the Pacific side. I'm sorry, the Pacific side gets kind of expensive. That's where like the millionaires be hanging out at. But if you go to the Atlantic side of the country, like, you can, you can stay in a villa for a whole week, seven days for $700.
Tam Bam
Yeah, I mean, I, I went there in February to get like the dental work done. And it was not that expensive where we were at. It was like a whole experience, you know? So I feel you. Yes, definitely move around if you can.
AJ Holiday
And thank y' all for all the happy birthdays. The people at the restaurant sung me Happy birthday. I was the only person there because it was low season. So like, most of the restaurants didn't have anybody in them for real. And they sell me Happy birthday. Gave me a little nasty. Did they charge me that for that nasty ass cake because I would think it was on the house at my receipt. That was nasty as hell. But I was so appreciative.
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Tam Bam
Anyway, that sounds like a good trip, a good solo trip and I just see it becoming more and more popular. I've been on solo trips before, but not, I guess this don't count as a solo trip if a came later. But I didn't know, I didn't plan for that to come.
AJ Holiday
We need to show up about three days later. I mean if you got a little three, four days. Like when I went to Barbados, I was there for like three, four days by myself before my boyfriend came. So it's still considered a solo trip. Essentially.
Tam Bam
Yeah. I went to Dominican Republic then by myself and I had a ball. I got up one night by myself.
AJ Holiday
I remember.
Tam Bam
Yeah, That was crazy.
AJ Holiday
I remember.
Tam Bam
Anyway, let's get in the sins shame.
AJ Holiday
All right y', all, let's see what's going on. So now you, the whole country, you know, a lot of, a lot of black people are, are an uproar with this Carmelo Anthony case. And Carmelo Anthony was just sentenced to three 35 years in prison for the unintentional to me. Right. Because to get a murder charge it has to, there has to be some intent, maybe sometimes premeditation possibly. I just don't see like why he wasn't charged with manslaughter. I'm not saying he should just get no time, but manslaughter, a manslaughter charge probably would have been more sufficient. Murder is wild for a 19 year old first time offender to get 35 years old.
Tam Bam
Like a track event.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, they were at a track meet and so. So I guess he was invited underneath the tent by one white boy. Right. And then I guess the white boys who tent it actually was didn't want him there. So they started, you know, beasting, beefing out with him and he winded up, he wound up stabbing one of the boys with a three inch knife. Which is legal. Right. That wasn't even flipped all the way open. This is just like view. If you listen to some of the, the narratives online, some of the stories and then people who actually saw like the security footage that I don't even think the jurors were privy to, which is weird. I wouldn't say he was fighting for his life, but he is. This boy was like 5, 8, 130, 40 pounds. These white boys was like six foot something. These are, these are football players size people. You know what I'M saying, trying to jump on him. And we know. Yeah, to me that is self defense. All day long. All day long that's self defense. There have been people who got off on way more egregious ass actions in this.
Tam Bam
Well, you know, race plays a huge narrative in how sentencing goes in this country. Unfortunately.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, it's terrible.
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AJ Holiday
I actually wanted to talk about. So this is. There's a Texas parole supervisor who was fired over her comments regarding the case with Carmelo Anthony and she. Her name is Trinia Howard. No, actually, no. It's Donna. Donna. Yeah, Donna. Donna Maria Murray. Donna Murray Robinson. She's adding somebody she's at. In this. Trina. Trina Howard person. But anyway, she says you are exactly right. I am a parole supervisor at Texas dcj. Carmela will be okay. He and I can almost assure you. I don't know. She said he and I. Yeah, this was it.
Tam Bam
He. I. I guess I don't know.
AJ Holiday
Oh, yeah, yeah. I can assure you. Okay, okay. Carmelo will be okay. I can assure. I can almost assure you he will be protected on the inside. I for one don't give a about the family's loss. It's about time these effing bigots feel the pain that they have inflicted on other groups of people since the beginning of time. I'm just glad we didn't have to have to bury another black child. Let me start burying some of theirs for. Let us start bearing some of theirs for a change.
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AJ Holiday
I said what I said. And this is a parole supervisor. And so she was terminated, Right, because of her social media postings.
Tam Bam
Yeah. You can't say that.
AJ Holiday
And rightfully so. Right. And the reason why I say rightfully so is because. Are you stupid? We need you on the inside.
Tam Bam
Yeah. Than you for getting on Beyonce's Internet and. And doing all of that. Have you learned nothing from these white folks?
AJ Holiday
Yes. Like listen, when the black man comes in front of you, right, that is your opportunity to buck the system. Right? That's what they do for their people preference. So now we don't even have you in the room no more. And see, this is a shit that I be trying to say about even with politics altogether, right? You cannot forfeit the game just because you don't like your opponent. Bitch. You better learn that motherfucker and win. That is the game. That is high play, right? The financial games. All the things I'm going to learn. Exactly. How those motherfuckers live and how they do
Tam Bam
now you're no longer in the game. She's no longer in the game.
AJ Holiday
Exactly. Because you can't.
Tam Bam
When I read this, I was like, yo, you better say that was. I was hacked.
AJ Holiday
It says Robinson worked for the. For the Texas Department of Criminal Justice. In a role tied to parole supervision. A position that requires fairness, objectivity and public trust. Reports indicate she had served for the department for years before her dismissal. Yeah, and we know the KKK is the police, okay? They supposed to supposedly supposed to protect and serve.
Tam Bam
Right? Okay, but you don't see them on the Internet. I mean, sometimes we catch a few of them getting reckless like this out there.
AJ Holiday
They're just not in our algorithm. They'd be wild online. That's not true. Yeah, they'd be wilding.
Tam Bam
No, I'm saying. But I'm saying the ones that are in great power.
AJ Holiday
Oh yes.
Tam Bam
They not. They're not showing their hand online, right?
AJ Holiday
They got the invisible white hood on in the daytime, which is a badge.
Tam Bam
And then they do their things covertly.
AJ Holiday
So yeah. That is so unfortunate.
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AJ Holiday
Girl, just be quiet. Keep your ass off the Internet. Especially. Especially if you have a government job like you just. You really just can't be a civilian. You're not a civilian.
Tam Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
Unfortunately. I mean, fortunately, you're the Fenster.
Tam Bam
Like these kids. The kids taught you nothing, right?
AJ Holiday
You just out there with your whole face on Facebook and talking. Everybody see you.
Tam Bam
How about them? Girl,
AJ Holiday
If you. Plenty of people feel that way, baby. But you cannot get on the Internet and say that, you know, we. We are better than them. We better than them. And this is why they so threatened by us. They not threatened by us because they're scared we're going to kill them. Threatening. They are afraid of our potential magic. The same way you kill a spider when spider really don't want to fuck with you. Right? But you just step on a motherfucker just because it could potentially bite you. You know, they know we owe them an ass whooping. They know that. But that's not what we want. We just want to be left the fuck alone.
Tam Bam
That's it.
AJ Holiday
So we can thrive within our own communities. That's it.
Tam Bam
I want reparation. People like, we just want to be understood.
AJ Holiday
Hold on. No. They owe us for sure.
Tam Bam
Oh yeah, for sure.
AJ Holiday
We're never going to get that money though. Because I believe during COVID they divvied our money out amongst the whole country. You know what I'm saying? And then you were. They were given immigrants $20,000 on a food stamp card and shit like that. Like that's where our reparations went at.
Tam Bam
Maybe when we 80 years old and Eli about to die, start sharing out this trillion here, he'd be like, just break the off a piece. Everybody get a piece.
AJ Holiday
African American, the Irony of it, right? What else you got going on, child?
Tam Bam
Edit. You sent a screenshot, but I can't read it.
AJ Holiday
There's the links underneath it.
Tam Bam
Oh, Edit.
AJ Holiday
You see it?
Tam Bam
Okay. Yep. So I saw this came across my desk. Jay Z Target deal approves. He always shows up when we boycott. And that was the. The title of this article. It says, the Jay Z Target deal is the kind of move that makes you sit back and laugh. Because we have seen this script before and we already know exactly how it ends. Target is dropping and dropping the exclusive 30th anniversary edition of Reasonable Doubt on June 26th. A white double LP at $40 kept at 4 per per customer with unreleased versions of select tracks, including a Fool's paradise remix of Can't Knock the Hustle. There's a D D. How you say that?
AJ Holiday
Isn't it?
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AJ Holiday
I know, right? Crazy.
Tam Bam
In real life, the timing is everything and the timing is the whole problem. All right, so home. Here's the part that nobody at the Bullseye wants to say out loud, and this is their opinion. The Jay Z Target deal landed in the middle of an organized boycott that black shoppers have held down since early 2025. After Target rolled back the diversity commitments it made to us back when they look good for business, people stopped spending. The pressure was real, the receipts were real, and the company felt it in numbers. Then right on cue, here comes Ho with inheritance drop that lands Target a feel good moment and gives the culture a reason to walk back through those doors like nothing happened. Are we going to read all of that?
AJ Holiday
No, we're not. All right, well, actually, hold on, let me, let me run through this right quick. We are not new to this. Rewind to the summer of 2019. The community was ready to walk away from the NFL over what the league did to Colin Kaepernick, a man who gave up his entire career to kneel for us. That's the. We can stop there, right?
Tam Bam
Because.
AJ Holiday
Let's go back to the NFL. Colin Kaepernick is a biracial man who really did not have an actual. Did he have deliverables? You know what I'm saying? Like, he wasn't playing well. He started taking a knee. He gained a lot of notoriety and, you know, news coverage. Jay Z got the deal for Roc Nation to do like the
Tam Bam
Halftime show.
AJ Holiday
The halftime shows and stuff like that, right?
Tam Bam
What.
AJ Holiday
What were your deliverables? What were you going to do after the knee? You know what I'm saying? And what. And people were saying, then why. Why Jay Z didn't get with Colin Kaepernick? Imagine a real businessman, not a nigga on the field, not a nigga in the field, come in to tell, like, ask you to do business with these people. You know what I'm saying? I am not. Like, I'm not on Jay Z's side. Right? But I do want black people to get some more business about themselves so y' all can stay out of other people fucking business. Because the one thing is, black men were still playing football. Black mothers, black fathers, black kids were still working at Target. Why would we boycott a place that employs black people? It doesn't make sense. Because you're not boycotting your corporate job, you know, your boss racist.
Tam Bam
I think we just need to be more organized in the way we attack the dollar. And because, you know, I did. I did stay out of target for them 40 days and 40 nights, but I know we were still boycotting. We don't ever have no meetings. We don't have no group meetings. Like, where is the. Like, where are y' all getting the information to know that the boycott was still going on?
AJ Holiday
Because initially, TikTok is where people galvanize
Tam Bam
and see, I'm not a. I'm not a tiktoker, you know, Like, I didn't know that we were still boycotting. I done been to Target.
AJ Holiday
No, I. I never stopped going to Target. Because, you know why? There are black products in Target. Okay.
Tam Bam
I just feel like, you know, when it comes to situations like that, because I think about the bus boycotts and how they organized and how they did have to sacrifice. You know, some people. Some people sacrifice their jobs.
AJ Holiday
And they weren't driving the buses, though. They were on buses that white people were driving.
Tam Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
And they had to sit to the back of the bus. They weren't bus owners.
Tam Bam
Yeah. But, you know, it becomes a conversation of how do we help the masses and not hurt any of us? How do you do that? You know, that's. That's the hard part. Like, how do we help the. The majority without sacrificing the few?
AJ Holiday
Listen, people got to die for change. Change does not come with legislation. Change does not come for voting. A lot of our ancestors died for us to have the life we have today. And that's just how it is, because we know white people only respect disrespect and money. So either you won't get some fucking money or you going to do like what? Oh, girl, the damn parolee, prolo, parole officer or parole supervisor. Or you going to do what she said and take it to the fucking streets? That is the only thing they respect. I prefer to get the money. Okay, But I think that was the
Tam Bam
whole intention with the Target thing, was to like hit them where it hurts, you know?
AJ Holiday
But we need to boycott everything then. Not just one particular store. What you, you, okay, you're gonna buy. You're gonna stop buying at Target. But look at all.
Tam Bam
That's the thing, you know, that's what we're talking about. There was no offer, no alternative. No alternative was offered. That was like a viable option. It was you going from one predator to the next as far as I was concerned.
AJ Holiday
And we own nothing. We didn't have a store of our own we could go to and shop at.
Tam Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
You know, so you have all these Asians online right now. I don't know if it's AI or if it's actually them like talking shit about the black community and how they don't need our dollar. If you don't need our dollar, why are you in the community? You absolutely need the dollar. Because y' all could just do how white people did and they wouldn't even let us shop with them. They didn't like us so much. They wouldn't even let us shop with them. So y' all can do that, right? But y' all thrive in the black community because we know we. We are. Unfortunately, we're. We're just at the bottom of the totem pole. Right? So in the game of capitalism, Monopoly, everybody eats off of us, right? We live in a capitalistic. Capitalistic society. So either you're going to be a part of it or you're going to be the one feeding it.
Tam Bam
And even that's dying. Even the capitalism is dying and it's becoming a techno. What is it, a technical crack? Yeah.
AJ Holiday
AI is supposed to take over. And even with that, you can use AI to get to the bag. So if you're not right now, AI is going nowhere. Right? So if you only using chat GPT to see how you're gonna respond to a. Or some stupid shots fired.
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Tam Bam
You only know a piece of my life, baby girl.
AJ Holiday
And I'm just referring to something you said on here. That's why I said that.
Tam Bam
Crazy. No, listen, that's only what I share.
AJ Holiday
Okay, okay. But for example, right, you. There's AI is just not chachi pt, Right? You know what I do with y'?
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AJ Holiday
Y' all know what I do with Chat GPT? I be uploading my stock charts up in there, and they be giving me some real good plays. You don't know until you do it. You know what I'm saying? Try that. You do it to do something, I don't know, more meaningful if you're just using Chat GPT, but you can create a whole business with. With AI. Half of this music. When I hear these songs on Instagram now, I automatically know it's a AI song. It's a AI artist. They are replacing artists now. They were replacing models. They are replacing everything. Actors, you know, writing, you know.
Tam Bam
And the word I was looking at was techno feudalism. Me and Charlemagne went down the rabbit hole the other day about that.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, that's where we at. That's where we at for sure. And the billionaires who own the tech companies, right? Follow the money, invest. Put. If you got a couple dollars, instead of going to Target, put the money in. In that business, Buy some shares of the stock. SpaceX just came out. IPO dropped last week. That dropped at, I think it was 115 or 125. That is like over 200 now. Yeah, I'm waiting for it to come down. I ain't getting. I couldn't pay attention, like, so I didn't get in. But I plan on getting something because.
Tam Bam
Oh, no, but I was just saying that we do have to find a way to, you know, hit them where it hurts. And, you know, those Asian people, even though they were saying, like, very hateful things, some of it was like, all right, bet, motherfucker. I won't come there, you know?
Kel Penn
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
Up for the challenge or. No, I did get. I got a manicure. Look already one of the fingers up. But this is my. You know, my real nails I just had. Got, like, the jail overlay. First time in life, right? I bought my own because I'm not about to be coming to y' all to do my nails. It wasn't even an Asian over there that did my. It was a black girl anyway. Afro Latina. But I'm not going to the nail shops, you know what I'm saying? Like, I. I mean, India is still Asia, but, I mean, I buy my weave from India.
Tam Bam
I mean, it's just like, we. It's hard to not it. Like, if you try to shop only black for 30 days,
AJ Holiday
I mean, it's gonna cost you. It's gonna be half of their Products, everybody in America, most of our products are coming from China. It's not just us. So for them to target us and say that type of shit like, where you gonna get this at? Where you gonna get this? Everybody. Yes. China has a huge monopoly on an industrial, like, economy now. They do. We have to. I mean, y' all don't want to hear it, but, I mean, I guess that's what Make America Great Again was about, right? To bring back manufacturing in America. Because right now the only thing we manufacture is hate and guns and, well,
Tam Bam
seeming to be lucrative for some.
AJ Holiday
Yeah.
Tam Bam
In war, maybe that's what America Great Again was about.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, like, we not even. We not even producing anything over here where we can sell to the other world. And I did read an article that said that we are now the number one exporters of oil. I don't know how that happened. Maybe because they stole all the oil from Venezuela.
Tam Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
These is nuts.
Tam Bam
And they keep talking about, yeah, it's a big monster down there. We trying to kill. Yeah, ain't no monster. Y' all getting that oil.
AJ Holiday
Exactly. Then kidnapped that the president and his damn wife.
Tam Bam
Lord have mercy.
AJ Holiday
Anyway, so next topic on the docket, 71 Jewish girls were discovered in an underground tunnel located to the sewer system after. Excuse me. Connected to the sewer system after allegedly getting lost during a field trip. Now, y' all know a couple years ago, they had like this whole thing where they. They caught like some Jewish pedophiles or something. Sorry. They had like a whole underground, like, living underneath there. They coming out the wall like. It's weird.
Tam Bam
I saw that video. I saw, like, people
AJ Holiday
there and they had mattresses down there all type of shit. There are cities under every city. Charleston has an old, old city underneath it. You. You know for sure. I mean, just think about the damn Ninja Turtles. Like, them niggas was living in the sewer and the train tracks and all that stuff was underneath there. So it says there's like a secret,
Tam Bam
like, building or a place.
AJ Holiday
So it says approximately 770 teenage Jewish girls were safely located after supposedly entering a sewer drainage system during a school field trip in New York. The students who attended, either they were running away from some or somebody was trafficking them. This don't even sound right.
Tam Bam
I'm just trying to figure out who was. Ms. Frizzle must have been the teacher because how did y' all end up in the sewer?
AJ Holiday
Right. It says the students who attended Tours Amicu School, I guess, I don't know, were visiting Memorial park and knack, located about 50 miles north of New York City when they reportedly ventured into a drainage covert near the villages downtown business district. The unusual situation came to light when a police officer spotted several girls emerging from a sewer of great. From a sewer grate in an alley near the town's main street. The officer immediately alerted local authorities, prompting a response to ensure the safety of the girls. Officials said all the girls were able to exit the COVID on their own, and no serious injury injuries were reported. One girl received treatment on site, while another complained about abdominal pain. Yeah, I, I, this doesn't. This doesn't make sense to me.
Tam Bam
They leaving out a part.
AJ Holiday
Exactly.
Tam Bam
Very important part.
AJ Holiday
Either they was trying to get away from somebody, or somebody was trafficking them, sending them somewhere, and they were scared
Tam Bam
to tell the truth.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, something.
Tam Bam
Because how have y' all set, all 70 of y'?
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Tam Bam
Couldn't put y' all brain together and realize, like, we not. Maybe, Maybe a sewer ain't where we need to go.
AJ Holiday
And what field trip is it? 70 people. That sound like two classrooms full of people.
Tam Bam
That's a lot. That's two, three classrooms. Yeah, yeah. Classrooms.
AJ Holiday
Yeah.
Tam Bam
In the city.
AJ Holiday
They had that raid in the synagogue in New York City a couple years ago. Like all those men was coming.
Tam Bam
Listen, it looks so innocent. Is this really the video of them? They look like they just sweet little innocent girls and just don't know.
Starbucks Advertiser
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AJ Holiday
Maybe that's just a school. I don't know that that those are the actual girls this happened to. I don't know.
Tam Bam
Where was the field trip supposed to be?
AJ Holiday
What were they learning exactly? We. We missing some stuff. I don't know. Anyway, that's it for stupid Internet news, y'.
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Tam Bam
What are we talking about?
AJ Holiday
I know that ran over, man, you talk too much.
Tam Bam
Yeah. No. Is it me? Is it me?
AJ Holiday
Today we're talking about unpopular opinions. We talk back version, we might as
Tam Bam
well just do two more sins and call it an episode.
AJ Holiday
God damn. I know, right? We've done that before. Lazy asses.
Tam Bam
All right, y', all, we'll be right back.
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AJ Holiday
All right y'. All, welcome to the unpopular opinion edition of We Talk Back where we're about to ruin at least three friendships, two relationships and somebody's group chat. Because every week y' all send us opinions that make us question whether or not you're genuine or unhinged. Because I know I'm unhinged. I just think y' all think y' all regular when y' all be in my damn inbox. Like I can admit that I'm crazy. Can you? Okay, so don't feel no type of way if you know, we start talking about some that you're actually experiencing right now because I mean some of the I might be going through.
Tam Bam
Exactly.
AJ Holiday
So we gonna either agree, disagree or agree today are we ain't ready for that conversation because we ain't trying to put our business on. Oh, I guess today all Right. All right, so the first topic is relationships.
Tam Bam
Okay.
AJ Holiday
Unpopular opinions. The first unpopular. Unpopular opinion is most people don't miss their ex. They miss the attention.
Tam Bam
Agree.
AJ Holiday
Most ain't getting attention from there. You probably wasn't getting any attention from them. Why?
Tam Bam
That's why he. The exact.
AJ Holiday
I don't know.
Tam Bam
You know what? I can agree with this sometimes because, you know, like, when I'm in here by myself, sometimes I might, like, call an old. To hang out a little bit just because. Just to have some company, some male energy. Yeah. So I can. So I can agree with this a little bit.
AJ Holiday
A little bit like, nigga, I don't
Tam Bam
meet you, I'm bored.
AJ Holiday
Right? I just need some little.
Tam Bam
Little human interaction.
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AJ Holiday
I mean, this is. This is where that thing comes in where you. You get over somebody by getting underneath somebody. So if you are actually missing your ex, maybe you just need to find a new ex, right? Find your next ex, right? Because it might be attention you seeking. Like, you might be horny. Maybe you should just play with your. And go to sleep. Because once you come, you're gonna come to your senses, and you don't even be thinking about that.
Tam Bam
But sometimes you don't even want sex. You just want a little companionship. Because. Yeah, a little hug. Someone to hold you a little bit, like, and watch a movie or something. Just company. And it don't have to be, like, extremely physically affectionate, you know? But I agree with aj. Play with your. Go to bed. What's the next one? Drink some water.
AJ Holiday
Love is not enough to sustain a relationship.
Ryan Reynolds
Disagree.
Tam Bam
Yes, I agree. I feel like that's the foundation that everything should be built upon. But I think it take more than just love. You take a lot of patience. It take a lot of grace, compromise. Yeah, but I feel like those things, a lot of turning the other cheek.
AJ Holiday
You can talk about them old, old people who've been together for a long time, they just be letting their husband just talk and they just rolling their eye on the side, like, shut the up, right?
Tam Bam
But don't say nothing. Don't say, right. That talking.
AJ Holiday
I mean, but like, compromising and wanting to understand your partner. Like, I feel like those things come out of the actual, you know, emotion of loving them. But I would say you need money. That's why love is not enough. Like, yeah, love don't pay no bills, baby. Love don't buy a Similac Pampers. None of that. Like, you need money and love. You know, we had that whole episode, what was it?
Tam Bam
I seen this poor, like, they was all right. So I've been doing these housing marriages for poor people.
AJ Holiday
Remember we had an episode our first year marriages for poor people.
Tam Bam
I did this housing inspection recently and it was a older home home for elderly, but it was section eight, right. And there was this, and this old couple in there and they were broke, like they don't have no money. They don't. They're on a very extremely fixed income. And it showed in the standards of their home. But when I tell you these two old people was having fun together and it was so refreshing to see like they would. They were leaving the house and she was in the car singing the song and she was singing it loud out the window and he helped her into the car and she was singing her song. He gave her a kiss and he had to go back upstairs to get something. And the way he just treat his wife and how happy she looked, I was like, maybe money is not as important as we make it seem. These people look just as happy as and poor as fuck. They probably were sharing the same sandwich.
AJ Holiday
Having the stress of possibly being able to get put out of a Section 8, you know, housing situation, that's, that's stressful, right? I don't know how you could be comfortable in a situation like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, they happy because you, you don't really got to do a lot to get money because you got housing. But what happens when those people pull a rug from underneath your feet? Like you saw they was getting rid of his food stamps, all that last year.
Tam Bam
And like the money that goes into government housing is not the same anymore, you know, like maintenance of it all and all those things, the funding is less and less and less. But that lady was singing with her whole soul and kissing her husband. They look good. I was like, okay. I mean, I don't know, but I agree, love is not enough. And then I also believe that people, if they're together long enough, they will fall in and out of love a couple times in their marriage.
AJ Holiday
Absolutely. It's, it's just being in love is a state of mind. So you got to continuously just do things to keep falling in love, man. Because I always say that you're gonna be falling out of love, fighting and arguing all the time. I, I don't love you today. I'm sick of you. Actually, I love you, but I'm not in love with you right now. Like, I care about your well being, but like I'm about to start choosing myself because this relationship is driving me Nuts, right? So I feel like a lot of people reach that point, right? You gotta have something else. Some.
Ryan Reynolds
Some.
AJ Holiday
Some assets to.
Tam Bam
A lot of people want relationship benefits without relationship responsibilities. Women, too.
AJ Holiday
I was about to say that, Girl. I was about to say that. Because, you know, dealing with women as friends, I can see. And then also, like, having men, you know, who go through like, the man is your friend, right? And. And. And he is in a relationship with a crazy. Yeah. Crazy exists on both sides.
Tam Bam
Okay, I hate to, like, interject, but I. I just have to say this. When you said that crazy. I did this inspection today, right? And this one, and it's me and a guy, right? And we're about to go. We went in this woman's apartment, we start the inspection, and all of a sudden she starts going the off on the guy that I'm working with now. He has never been to this community before. The last inspection was done by different people. When the last time we were there, our company was there. She was like, yeah, you was the.
AJ Holiday
Going through my draws, sniffing my panties.
Tam Bam
I remember you. He was like, ma', am, I've never been here before. I know your face. You were sniffing my panties. You was going through my closet. Why the. You gotta go. And we do have to go in the closets because we have to look for, like, structural damages, holes, things like that. So we have to look in there. It's not. Nobody's looking at your draws. Promise you. I promise. Nobody looking. This lady went crazy on us. I'm sorry. I just had to throw that out there.
AJ Holiday
So what I got to do with relationship benefits without relationship.
Tam Bam
Be crazy. Do be crazy.
AJ Holiday
Right, Right, right. Me saying be crazy. That didn't have nothing to do. So what Tam said was a lot of people want relationship benefits without relationship responsibilities. So are we agreeing with that?
Tam Bam
I do.
AJ Holiday
I think I. I agree with that.
Tam Bam
With that.
AJ Holiday
I guess I would have to look up what are. What are relationship responsibilities, you know, Because, I mean, that's not every relationship. So whatever it is for your relationship. Right. So I. That's kind of vague because, you know, people have different boundaries, different codes, and they got set for their relationships.
Tam Bam
Yeah, but cheating should always be one of the ones that you like, because, I mean, is it cheating? It's not cheating if you have a boundary around it. It's no longer cheating if you don't
AJ Holiday
have a boundary around it. Like, it's. It's cool, right?
Tam Bam
Yeah. Then we can't even call it cheating. It's like your relationship just open.
AJ Holiday
Right. That's that's what y' all do. I think, I think a lot of women want to be wives, but they really don't even know what all that entails. Right. That's a huge responsibility to be a wife. Because I look at some of my friends who got multiple kids and they've been married for a while. Like them be monsters, man. Like just with life for real. The kids are the ones, the wives, you know what I'm saying? They real life helpmates for their husband. A lot of times they are the boss. Right. You would think the husband, because he's making money, he's the. But he's not the boss.
Tam Bam
That was a bad. That was a bad term.
AJ Holiday
I mean there's monsters at life. Like they beast. You know what I'm saying? That's what I mean. Yeah, like good, not bad.
Tam Bam
Okay.
AJ Holiday
You thought I was calling the kids monsters.
Tam Bam
Who the was the boss?
AJ Holiday
No, they just be beast at life.
Tam Bam
I was like, them girls is tired. Yeah.
AJ Holiday
It's their energy that keeps that. That has the. That basically carried the family essentially. Yeah. So I don't know. I think a lot of things that we ask for as women for relationships, a lot of us aren't ready for that, man. Because you know, I've lived with a man twice in life and man, listen, I don't really want to live with nobody. I don't want the responsibility having to cook for a every night. I don't understand really having to clean up after somebody. I don't feel like that should just be solely a woman's responsibility. So again, you know, respons responsibility in the relationship looks different from relationship everybody. Yeah. Because
Tam Bam
if I didn't have to work, I wouldn't mind cleaning up.
AJ Holiday
You say that right? Until you're actually. You're actually doing it. Because there are some women who don't have to work. Whole life is financed for by their husbands. Right. But they got kids, they got to take. That is a actually said a single. Not a single mom. A stay at home mom actually works 18 hours a day in between.
Tam Bam
I didn't say nothing about mom. I said I would just clean up.
AJ Holiday
But you would get sick of. I've lived with a man that I wasn't working and I was having to clean up behind him and I was frustrated because you're an adult, you know what I'm saying? Like you let the bathroom you use get deplorable and then I got to come behind you and clean it.
Tam Bam
But he would say you're not working, you're an adult.
AJ Holiday
Just because I'm not working, I don't mean I'm not bringing in money. See, people look at working as you having to do something eight to five every day, like a standard thing. If I'm bringing in some type of income. Restricted. Exactly. I'm not restricted to an schedule. I'm working.
Tam Bam
Well, you said. No, I'm talking about, like, not having to. Like, you don't have to do anything financially. You are just set. Somebody is providing every ounce of everything for you. I don't know if I would complain about cleaning.
AJ Holiday
I don't know. I'm probably gonna complain because that's just what I do. Look, I'm gonna just add that in there, okay? Being loyal isn't a flex. It's the minimum requirement. You know, men want a cookie when they're loyal. They want you to acknowledge that they were a good boy. Like, this should be a given, because guess what? You have that expectation at your woman. Right. To not be disloyal and outside and doing what the she want to do. So why you think you're supposed to get a cookie because you went, what, six months without a right.
Tam Bam
I agree. Being loyal is the standard, not the afflict. And I think men think that because so many men have proven to be disloyal, or that's the narrative that we see oftentimes. So men feel like Lisa ain't cheating on you.
AJ Holiday
Right.
Tam Bam
Is like a flex, and it's not Right. All right, let's go down.
AJ Holiday
Oh, I was gonna say I have a. I have a girlfriend who, you know, her. Her current partner. He would, like, throw in her face that. Well, I don't do, like, basically comparing himself to the baby daddy. But you also have. I have grievances with you too. Right. If you're comparing what you don't do versus, you know, what somebody else was doing to me. So I'm supposed to be okay with the. I'm not okay with. With you.
Tam Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
Because it's better than.
Tam Bam
No, the last I wasn't okay with.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. Like, that's the. To me, that's kind of abusive, man.
Tam Bam
Like, that's why it's important never to. Like, if A was doing you bad, never share that with the new girl,
AJ Holiday
I'd be sharing, and I'd be over. I've stopped, though. There's a lot of things I'm not doing no more. After last week,
Tam Bam
you need to make it seem like that man treated you like a queen. Y' all just wasn't compatible.
Kel Penn
Yes.
Tam Bam
Thinking like he can do the bare minimum because you were comfortable.
AJ Holiday
And I mean, either he's a great guy or he's dead. Okay, that could be your narrative.
Tam Bam
You know, just, he's dead. Then what if you run into him?
AJ Holiday
I mean, he doesn't have to be the ex. When you run, he doesn't have to be that ex. You know what I'm saying?
Tam Bam
Like, then are you lying?
AJ Holiday
Oh, I tell women to lie to men all the time because they cannot take the truth.
Tam Bam
Telling him that is like telling. Saying that he's dead is like borderline. Have you seen this documentary on Netflix, the Maternal Instinct? Y', all, please watch it when you get it. This white lady was crazy as the fuck. She would go very, very far to keep her lies alive. And I feel like saying that a nigga is dead when he's walking around alive.
AJ Holiday
He's like, right in line with that. Okay, let's go to the next topic.
Tam Bam
All right.
AJ Holiday
You want to go to dating? Dating.
Tam Bam
Okay. Dating. The talking stage is the worst part of dating. I disagree. It's my favorite, man.
AJ Holiday
I wish I can get the talking stage while in a relationship.
Tam Bam
Yeah, that's the best energy.
AJ Holiday
Like, yes. I love it. Like, y' all just sharing, exchanging all this information about each other, like likes, dislikes you've been through. Sometimes that's like the funnest thing, man, because it feels new.
Tam Bam
And then everybody like, presenting their best self. Yeah. Yeah. You don't get to see that ugly
AJ Holiday
till later, right after you get a up. Not as Nick, who the who is you, Right?
Tam Bam
He take you to get steaks and five star meals. Now why you gotta get cheese?
AJ Holiday
Why you gotta biggie size your every time? Damn, I can't.
Tam Bam
Super.
AJ Holiday
That's the fattest ever, man. America is terrible.
Tam Bam
Yeah, super. Siiz of burger is crazy.
AJ Holiday
And our ball over here is a large in Asia. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, our is crazy.
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Tam Bam
This is what I remember when I was in Ukrainian exchange student, and the girls came back here and we went to Bojangles. This is like some of their first American food. And they ordered a large drink and like, I was immediately embarrassed of the size of the drink, and I'm so used to it. But just seeing a foreigner holding this big container, she said, is this all mine
AJ Holiday
or is this.
Tam Bam
Are we sharing? Is this for us to share? Girl, that's your drink.
AJ Holiday
Big ass cup of tea or sugar molded.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
So anyway, America, let's see. Dating apps have made people pickier and lonelier, I think. I mean, I I consider social media like any social media dating app. Any place where you can just access random people when you feel like it. It's all a Hoadex. So, yeah, I do think people, they don't, you know, maintain their relationships because you feel like you just go get another one a lot of times.
Tam Bam
And it's like the degrees of separation are no longer where they were, you know, people. There was a time when people just picked someone right in their community and that's, you know, whatever you saw is what you went with. Now you can be fucking fly to meet a. Is a ball boy tomorrow if you meet him and you like, you know, so it's crazy. I've done that,
AJ Holiday
man. My homeboy had. He's on blk. So he showed me. Are you on there? And dating apps have made people pickier. There's too many choices, too many options.
Tam Bam
That's what happens. I don't enjoy it. I don't even do well on those dating apps because I feel like I'm talking to a robot over and over again with a different face on it.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, he showed me, I guess, like, how many messages he had, like 180 something messages in a day. I'm like, you know how I feel about the dating apps. A lot of times I feel like. Especially like. Like pieces of Fish. I call it Pieces of Fish. Plenty of fish. I feel like the women on there on, like, we know men are in rotation, but I feel like the women are in, like high rotation on those apps. Right? And they just getting fucked by all these same dudes.
Tam Bam
Well, Plenty of Fish.
AJ Holiday
Whichever is cuter. Who is ever. Who's ever cuter on the app?
Tam Bam
Yeah, but Plenty of Fish is like, hookup app. It's a hookup app. It's not even like a relationship. You're not even. That's like, are you down a app?
AJ Holiday
You know, I got two homegirls who got married to niggas off of Plenty of Fish.
Tam Bam
But that was back in the day.
AJ Holiday
One was off Bumble.
Tam Bam
That one recently.
AJ Holiday
Maybe five years ago.
Tam Bam
Yeah, yeah. No.
AJ Holiday
Oh. Now it's like, nasty.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
I don't know.
Tam Bam
People are going on hinge for, like, relationships.
AJ Holiday
Oh, okay.
Tam Bam
Like that. Tinder used to be like a relationship app, but now it's a hookup app too.
AJ Holiday
You know Shira Sprinkle. Sprinkle on Instagram.
Tam Bam
People keep asking me that. I don't know. But you don't subscribe to her.
AJ Holiday
Girl, I love Shira. Shira been around for a long time. Girl, she must have Been on the Internet, on YouTube and shit for 15 years, calling niggas dusties. But recently she put up a post and she likened date, like, in, like, dating apps to, you know, doing a job interview. Like, like, what makes you think this nigga's going to pick you for the job off this app and then versus, like, going out into the actual world. Those are the CEOs, those are entrepreneurs. You know what I'm saying? You an employee on a dating app. When you meet somebody, like, out in the actual world, you're an entrepreneur. And I'm like, that makes a lot of sense.
Tam Bam
I don't get it.
AJ Holiday
You are interviewing for these people on the dating apps and they're interviewing. Not really, though, because, like, I get. People act different face to face versus on the Internet. I feel like people feel like they could say what they want to say via text.
Tam Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
Versus a face to face interaction. You get a better feel for people in real life.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
I mean, yeah. Yeah. Versus the app. And I think people will probably like each other more if they were to meet in person versus on a dating app. Because regardless of what. Yeah. People get relations, relationships off those app. But it's a lot of. It's a lot of. And hooking up on all of them.
Tam Bam
Yeah. And I just feel like if you're a little person, you should say that. Like, I don't know why you wouldn't tell me that you're another person. Shout out to all my little people, but damn, like, that little person probably had dick.
AJ Holiday
Girl, I'm telling you, man, y' all been sleeping on little.
Tam Bam
No, I'm talking about, like, for real little person.
AJ Holiday
Like, like the baby booty and short arms.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
Oh, no, See, he tell me he played too.
Tam Bam
He jumped off in the chair. Pf. Changs. I was like, oh, my. We have fun, though.
AJ Holiday
Did you pick him up at the end of the night?
Tam Bam
No, I did not. He was a good time, though. Like, I wasn't gonna walk out on him because he was a little person, but it was just like, I feel like that's something you should share, you know?
AJ Holiday
Like, you in there with that regular, normal sized head.
Tam Bam
Right. Taking pictures of Chester. All right, friendship.
AJ Holiday
Got you. Oh, go ahead.
Tam Bam
Some friendships survive only because of history.
AJ Holiday
Yes. Same thing. Relationship.
Tam Bam
Yeah, super agree.
AJ Holiday
I used to think my relationships, my friendships weren't supposed to end. Like, it's devastating. I talk about it all the time. There are some friendships that I lost. That. That hurts my feelings. But them. Right, right. But yeah, Like, I really don't Agree that people grow apart, though, as adults. I feel like somebody just start acting like a. And then now you're not friends no more. Or somebody always been harboring some shit and now you're not friends no more.
Tam Bam
I don't know. Because I have people who, like, I still love, but just distance and time got in between us and we don't talk as much as we used to, but we. I was still considered them a friend, just maybe not a close friend anymore.
AJ Holiday
Those be the best friends though, right? Like my friend Kayla, who lives in Atlanta. We barely talk. When we do talk, we be having to schedule our talks because when we around you on the phone, we on the phone for hours. I have multiple friends like that and we just catch up. But those are like some of my best friends.
Tam Bam
Yeah. Then I have friends that, like, I love, that I haven't talked to in years. You know, this time and space happened and it wasn't like anything personal or just time and space. But then there are some that I have had friendships where I look up and I was like, why am I your friend?
AJ Holiday
Like, right, Good riddance.
Tam Bam
Why are we still friends? We only friends because we were friends since the second grade. But you ain't doing with yourself. You mean as hell you like doing like trash ass scamming people. Like, I don't like, we're not the same anymore and we don't have nothing in common.
AJ Holiday
Right.
Tam Bam
So let's just move on.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. I mean, I guess friendships are also just like your romantic relationships. Y' all have to grow together.
Ryan Reynolds
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AJ Holiday
Because if y' all not growing together, you're growing apart. Not every friend deserves access to every part of your life.
Tam Bam
Agreed.
AJ Holiday
Absolutely. Everybody has their purpose. You know what I'm saying? Like some people, you can't take certain places.
Tam Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
And then sometimes maybe that person can't go with you for real to the next level in life. You might have to let them go.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
Because certain things aren't supposed to happen for you because that person is in your life. So it's not going to happen until that person is not in your life no more. So that's how you have to look at things sometimes. God be making space
Tam Bam
or, you know, I have friends that, you know, you take your friends for who they are and you know who they are. Right. And you know, some of their shortcomings and their strengths. And I do have relationships with people who there's just certain things I just wouldn't share with them because one, they might just be too judgy, like this is my judgy homegirl.
AJ Holiday
She gonna do they gonna tell their husband.
Tam Bam
All right, Are they gonna tell their husband or. Or they. They just talkative, and it might just end up in another group chat because it was that good, you know? Like, I know my friend, you know, I just, you know, I have to be selective on what parts of my life they can be a part of, and that's okay.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. Yep.
Tam Bam
Friends can be jealous of each other.
AJ Holiday
Those aren't friends. So I. I disagree.
Tam Bam
I don't feel like. Because, I mean. All right, so I think jealousy is a natural emotion. Right. I don't think if you felt jealousy, you were a bad person. Like, but I do think if you are someone who's like, it should be me and not them type of.
AJ Holiday
Yeah.
Tam Bam
That's where it becomes a problem, because my friend got a Birkin. I was like, oh, I'm jealous.
AJ Holiday
No, I see like that all the time. But I'm not, like, jealous to where I don't want her to have it.
Tam Bam
No, exactly.
AJ Holiday
I'm like, you lit. And I'm gonna get me one eventually.
Tam Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
Just maybe not today.
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Tam Bam
Well, if that's the energy, but if it's a.
AJ Holiday
Like a competition, mad that you got
Tam Bam
it and I don't got it.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. Saying little slick.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
Yeah.
Tam Bam
I wouldn't have got that color. You know, little like that, like,
AJ Holiday
period. One of the I'm not friends with couldn't dress to save her life. And when I tell you she never liked anything I had on, like, it could be a general consensus that some I got is fly as. And I can count on that. I don't like that. Get your hate now. I never was the type to say people be hating on me. I. I don't. I have been hating on my whole life for real and just for just existing for real. Just doing basic bare minimum. Because people know your capabilities. That's what they really be jealous of. Right. It's weirdos, man. She never liked nothing.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
Like, oh, that color.
Tam Bam
I mean, it's a Birkin, but it's, you know, I don't know, like, what you mad.
AJ Holiday
She was dating one of my. One of my family members, and I remember one day she called me crying. I just feel like he's intentionally disagreeing with me. I said, interesting. Interesting, because I be feeling like that about you. We don't never have a meeting in the minds about nothing. From shoes to just anything, religion, anything. Never nothing. Why are we friends? We don't agree on.
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AJ Holiday
The hell. Not that I Want a damn echo chamber. But God damn. You have to be able. Like that's how you keep confusion down. Right. When people have. Are alike in some ways at least. Let me see. Some friendships should have an expiration date.
Tam Bam
I feel like that's. We already did that.
AJ Holiday
Yeah.
Tam Bam
What about the one before that?
AJ Holiday
Go ahead.
Tam Bam
What is it? Every friend doesn't need to become family.
AJ Holiday
I think good friends become family. It'd be closer to you than your family. So I just. The friend thing is like when I love somebody like a friend, like that's my family.
Tam Bam
You know what I'm saying?
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Tam Bam
I just feel like once I start I use the term friend is not lightly. I don't use that term light.
AJ Holiday
Exactly.
Tam Bam
So if it gets to a point where I call you my friend, then yeah, you're gonna. You're gonna probably become family to me. And then other than that we're an acquaintance at that point.
AJ Holiday
Exactly. Usually somebody used to know. And when we don't talk no more either.
Tam Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
And those friends, like one of my friends. I still feel like. Like we're family. We're not related. But I just feel like she's a family member I don't talk to no more. That's how. That's how deep my love is for her and care. But I just don't fuck with her at all. And yeah, there's that.
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Tam Bam
Again?
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AJ Holiday
All right, so next topic. Money. Being broke is expensive.
Tam Bam
I feel like we had an episode called that.
AJ Holiday
If not we need one because, yeah, you got higher interest rates, you're gonna pay more for everything you do. Car insurance, all that.
Tam Bam
Imagine Ubering to work every day.
AJ Holiday
Like, yeah, that's so up. It's so messed up. Because guess what? Rich affluent people, they be getting free. People give them free just because they have money. Because eventually you're gonna want something from them, right? So let me butter them up with a little, I don't know, you go to the Gucci store, they sit you down, give you a free glass of wine. It might throw a scarf in your bag because you spend so much money with them.
Tam Bam
Whatever.
AJ Holiday
But yes, being broke is highly expensive. It's just right. It just is, man. And I feel like, you know, black people, we do a lot of broke rich. Like we just can't afford to even be doing right like this.
Tam Bam
I'm about to buy for my birthday.
AJ Holiday
Oh, you said you about to Be blonde, right? Yeah, I seen somebody. I seen. Oh, Priscilla. Homegirl had a blonde wig on Instagram recently and this looks so bomb on her. It was nicely highlighted.
Tam Bam
Yeah, I'm gonna try something different. I've been dark hair forever. I just wanted to jump out there a little crazy.
AJ Holiday
Might as well.
Tam Bam
And it's. It's not cheap and I probably shouldn't do it, but here we are.
AJ Holiday
Make that wig.
Tam Bam
I ain't got time.
AJ Holiday
Oh, you could dye it yourself or.
Tam Bam
No, I could dye it myself, but who. I don't have time. I just don't have time. Yeah, I'm just gonna throw a bag at it. That'll be my gift to myself.
AJ Holiday
I bought a sofa. Look at my coach, girl. Oh, I don't run. Disconnect some. Hold on. Yes. Finally cashed out.
Tam Bam
Oh, that's nice. And it look cozy too. Oh, look nice in there. Yeah, you gotta decorate it nice.
AJ Holiday
But let me tell y' all just right quick. I'm sorry, y'.
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AJ Holiday
I talk too much. I already said that my furniture was delivered on Saturday. All right. So I got home Friday, furniture was delivered Saturday. When I tell you these sofas was not in here for 30 minutes. And dasha pissed on my sofa. She has never peed in the house before. And it's like she was mad. She was at my homegirl Shelly house the whole time while I was out of town.
Tam Bam
That's why she got a big ass
AJ Holiday
King Corso over there. Dasha was growling at this big ass dog like she could fight it.
Tam Bam
She said, your couch.
AJ Holiday
Your couch.
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Tam Bam
And also money.
AJ Holiday
The guy at the furniture store when I was ordering it, told me to buy cat double sided tape and just put on things you don't want her on. So now I got double sided table all the. She usually would be on. But now if she get on there, like her paw gets stuck and she'd be like the. So I feel like nothing was on this sofa until I put it on there. So she was like, let me. I don't know if it was pee or throw up. I'm this. How much. I don't believe she did that. I think the damn delivery people pissed on it. That's how much. I can't believe my baby pissed on my.
Tam Bam
Yeah, she did. She did it. Delivery people did not pee on your couch. God.
AJ Holiday
Thank God it's washable.
Tam Bam
Some people would rather look rich than become rich.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, that's what. Yeah, you wearing all your money.
Tam Bam
I don't think. I don't think it's a Situation where they rather look rich than become rich. I think they just try to look rich before they are, you know?
AJ Holiday
Yeah.
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Tam Bam
And. And they end up never becoming rich
AJ Holiday
because it's spending your money on aesthetics.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
Use all your money. You got it on, right? Where you could buy some cheap. If you got it, you got it. Okay, whatever. It's gonna look good.
Tam Bam
But I don't think they would rather that.
AJ Holiday
Yeah,
Tam Bam
Budgeting is sexier than bottle service.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. Do you want a nigga that be budgeting, though? That's what.
Tam Bam
That's why I was like, for me or for him?
AJ Holiday
Okay. Bottle service, like, to me, I. It's like inflation in the nightclubs and the bars and stuff like that.
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AJ Holiday
Like, I started thinking about how much I could have got this whole bottle for and stayed at the house.
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Tam Bam
If it's my man, then I'm like, do we need to buy that? But if it's not my man, I'll be like, yeah, spin that shit.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, spin that shit. Period.
Tam Bam
But then when you become my man, I'd be like,
AJ Holiday
I feel like it's my money, right? Yeah, your money is my money. So I don't want you spending my money like that.
Tam Bam
Right. Well, let me tell you. I went to flirt, shout out to flirt, shout out to Keefe in Charlotte. The first time Saturday night. We had to be more grateful. Festival out here. I heard it was great. I did not get to go. Yeah. And I went to flirt. And I like this strip club people still getting money. I was walking through the strip club, and it felt like it was a fall day because of how much ones was on the floor. It felt like I was rustling through leaves. That's how much. And I was like, we just.
AJ Holiday
If we could just be throwing money on the floor and me complaining about our communities.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
We're the only people who do that. I mean, white people flex in other ways, right? So we always say, well, rich people don't do this. Y' all don't know what they do because y' all don't be around them.
Tam Bam
Right?
AJ Holiday
What people really do flex. Did y' all see all the yachts in Monaco?
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
That's their flex. That's the type of flex I want for my people. Like, where's our boat?
Tam Bam
That's where I want to be at. I was like, I don't want to be in this strip club with all this money on the floor. Right. Monaco.
AJ Holiday
But then there's a whole nother level from that.
Shopify Advertiser
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AJ Holiday
Because the Uber Uber rich. They aren't in Monaco on a yacht.
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AJ Holiday
They're not there. Those people in Monaco on the yard. Monaco on the yard. They are now they're trying to impress the next person. That's probably not even a boat they own. They probably rented that boat to even be there, right? So the. The uber. Uber rich is looking down on the. That on the yacht. Like, right?
Tam Bam
Like, baby, we owe SpaceX. We about to go to Mars. You ain't with us.
AJ Holiday
We're on a private island.
Tam Bam
Right?
AJ Holiday
Look at these imbeciles.
Tam Bam
Release the Epstein files. All right, what's the next one?
AJ Holiday
Social media. Most people are performing happiness online.
Tam Bam
I agree.
AJ Holiday
I just don't post if I'm not happy. Like, I have a. Like I am. I. I think I. I'm too, too real. Like I'm. I won't be a low fake. I'm gonna start being low fake because being too real is key. Is holding me back. I don't think you're holding me back, man.
Tam Bam
I don't be posted where I'm happy.
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Tam Bam
I got to just start posting something, right?
AJ Holiday
I don't know, I just. I don't know. I'd be just feeling like everything has to be perfect before I do a thing. And that's the problem. You just have to just do what you are every time. Just do it. Just do the thing. You wanna. You wanna be a. A blogger? Just do it wherever. You know, use your cell phone. You have to have the big camera and all that.
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Tam Bam
Just do. Let's pick two more.
AJ Holiday
Let's go to men versus women. Men fall in love faster than women.
Tam Bam
I don't know. I can't speak to that one. I think it's a 50. 50.
AJ Holiday
You think so? You know those Instagram posts where people like, who was the first to say I love you? It's usually the women. The first. I mean, I'll tell her who's the
Tam Bam
first to say it and who's the first to feel it though, right?
AJ Holiday
Right. Because I mean you around and be saying I love you because the dick in you just.
Tam Bam
Right.
AJ Holiday
Love that dick.
Tam Bam
It was feeling good at the moment.
AJ Holiday
Yeah. So I don't know. I know men. I believe that men take love more serious. Right. When they do fall in love, even if they up, they don't expect you to leave them because they love you so much. It's like controlling at that point. I don't know. I think men, Men only really love probably once for real. I think women, we be in love with the next
Tam Bam
every three months. And then they'd be like, what happened to, like, somebody I talked to? They'd be like, what happened to the guy that you were telling me about that? I'm like, which one? You gotta be more specific. Be more specific. All right, let's see.
AJ Holiday
We could have probably saved some of these child. Some of them kind of good.
Tam Bam
Yeah. Maybe we can come back and try this episode again, because this was fun. Men get less emotional support than women.
AJ Holiday
I think that's because they don't share enough. Right. We can't. I can't help you if you are unwilling to tell me what's up. You aren't willing to be, like, you know, vulnerable with me. I can't tell you. Not being able to be vulnerable.
Tam Bam
They'd be afraid to be vulnerable with us.
AJ Holiday
We have the same fears. Like I always say, I've never been with a man who did not use my vulnerability against me in the midst of an argument. Never. Yeah, mean people do shit like that.
Tam Bam
I've done that.
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Tam Bam
I can admit that I've done that before, but I won't even. I won't even pretend to because I can be mean, you know, I know that I can be me. Spirited.
AJ Holiday
But you drove me there, though.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
You know what I'm saying? Like, when I started being mean, like, you have probably, like, pushed me to my limit, and now I don't give a fuck no more.
Tam Bam
Yeah.
AJ Holiday
Really.
Tam Bam
But that's not something I'm proud of. And that's what I feel like something that I would work on in my next relationship is not. Because when Michelle Obama be like, when they go low, I go high and I just be like, I be going to hell when they go low. I work on that.
AJ Holiday
I want to be the littlest person, bitch. I don't want to be the biggest person.
Tam Bam
I don't want to be better, though, because I never feel good after I do that. Like, after it's all said and done and the smoke settles, I never feel good about it, you know, so it
AJ Holiday
just depends, you know what I'm saying? Because I feel like I'd be sparing people people. And I feel like I take a lot of heat and then I just, you know, if I lash out, you know, usually it's with much intent.
Tam Bam
Yeah, me too. But afterwards, yeah, I never feel good about, like, when I. When. Because I just feel like my frequency be so high a lot, you know, I'd be happy, you know, in spite of, like, that's my energy. I just be Trying to be happy, go lucky. And then when I someone take me there, it's like I'm knocked off. I let you not. You allow them frequently, you know.
AJ Holiday
Yeah, that's one thing I'm not doing anymore. Right. I'm not. Because, you know, as a Gemini, like we'd be mirroring people.
Tam Bam
Right?
AJ Holiday
So I'm not, I'm not. I'm not matching energy anymore. I'm, you know, and I'm just not. I'm just not. If I feel like some about to get like kind of, I'm just getting out of there. I'm hang up. I'm not going back and forth. I. I've been saying I ain't arguing with people. I haven't been arguing with nobody.
Tam Bam
I like the last guy I was talking to, he sent me some crazy. Like he, he, y', all, he was light skinned and I know that was a little color statement, but he was acting like Drake. He looked kind of like Drake. Anyway, he just sent me like this crazy ass message and. And typically I would be like, guess what? And go off. Right. I didn't even respond. I didn't say nothing back. And I was like, oh, look at the growth. Look at God, Won't he do it? I was so proud of myself. So that's how I know I'm changing. I didn't even, I didn't even respond. Whatever you think, that's what it is.
AJ Holiday
Yeah.
Tam Bam
All right, D. What's your last last?
AJ Holiday
I don't got no last. Last with us. It was fun. That was it.
Tam Bam
Yeah, I guess there's so many different topics.
AJ Holiday
Ain't no last. Last, last, last.
Tam Bam
That's it.
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Tam Bam
All.
AJ Holiday
Yep. If you enjoyed this episode, y' all tune in every Thursday on iHeartRadio app, wherever the you get your podcast at. This your co host, AJ Holiday 2.0 on Instagrams kicking Tam, y'.
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Tam Bam
It's official Tam Bam on Instagram. Follow. We back, we back, we talk back.
AJ Holiday
As long as you don't say we fat, we good, right?
Tam Bam
We got that blocked if y' all ever try to come on the comments saying so. In fact, it's a word that is blocked from our comments. But yeah, I love y'. All. Y' all. Remember, speak now
AJ Holiday
and never hold your peace.
Tam Bam
We never keep it as the original. Never hold your.
AJ Holiday
Look. Look at these titties, dog.
Tam Bam
Damn them titties. Big.
AJ Holiday
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Date: June 18, 2026
Hosts: TamBam and AJ Holiday
Network: The Black Effect Podcast Network & iHeartPodcasts
This episode of We Talk Back is a lively, unfiltered deep dive into “Unpopular Opinions,” as submitted by listeners, with TamBam and AJ Holiday riffing on relationships, dating, money, friendships, and cultural hot topics. The hosts keep it real and comedic, giving voice to frustrations, hard truths, and offbeat confessions from their community—all while navigating their own bold perspectives on what Black women face in love and life today.
Summary prepared for new listeners and fans who want to keep up with the conversations and culture—no sugar, just spice, laughter, and that signature We Talk Back truth.