You Wearing That?

Summary

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We Talk Back – "You Wearing That?" (July 16, 2026)

Theme & Purpose

In this episode, TamBam and AJ dive into the unfiltered, comedic, and thought-provoking topic of fashion, age, body positivity, and self-expression. With their trademark banter and honest advice, they dissect what it means to “dress your age,” who makes the rules, and why being true to yourself trumps following trends. They also mix in hilarious stories, celebrity gossip, and practical shopping tips—serving guidance and “French tips” for navigating style at any age.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Weekend Recap & Jay-Z Concert Antics

• Hilarious storytelling from TamBam about manifesting her way into a Jay-Z concert, hustling for suite tickets, and narrowly escaping an NYC "superhero squirrel" and a nearly violent Bronx encounter.
• On acting like you belong:
  • “You gotta act like you belong there, period. Because why? Because we do.” — TamBam (06:12)
• Discussion on concert entry chaos:
  • “Niggas was fucking rushing the door, so they locked the door. I was not able to get into the concert. I was sick. … I was crying in the car.” — TamBam (09:27)
• Comparison of concert hustlers to PPP loan culture.

2. Dame Dash’s Jay-Z Hate & Celebrity Fashion Grudges

• AJ and TamBam roast Dame Dash for hating on Jay-Z and dissect the subtext of masculinity in his comments.
• On Dame crossing his legs:
  • “The nerve of him to have his legs crossed while doing as much hating…he had to get in a real stance right quick.” — AJ (12:33)
• Debate about “flexing your girl,” the evolution of Jay-Z’s look, and celebrity fitness glow-ups.
• On Jay-Z’s fitness:
  • “He came out there looking better than he looked in a decade. Let’s talk about that. Looking like old Jay-Z. He looked fit.” — TamBam (13:49)

3. Scams, Street Smarts, & Style

• Boosie’s Trump-pardon fiasco: Discussion on big-money lobbying, who the real scammers are, and the mythologizing of Black people as litigious.
• AJ’s take:
  • “We are not the real scammers out here. … It’s these corporate motherf***ers.” (17:19)
• Lawsuits, American culture, and the importance (and absurdity) of liability warnings.

4. Fashion Crimes: Tommy Lee Sneaking into FIFA

• Story on Tommy Lee’s felony charge after sneaking into a FIFA game, and musings on whether the consequence is too extreme versus the price of elite tickets.
• Speculation about her motivations (“She was trying to get to them athletes!”) and the difference between being able to afford entry and chasing status.

5. Age, Style, and "Dressing Your Age"

• Is there an age limit for certain looks?
  • AJ: “At what age are crop tops canceled?” (25:54)
  • TamBam: “No age as far as I’m concerned, because I got on one right now.” (26:03)
• Different standards for men and women:
  • “With women...it doesn’t like stand out as much, versus when men do it.” — AJ (27:09)
• Quality over quantity & fabric choices as you mature.
• Shopping tips: Fashion Nova, Revolve, Akira, Baby Boo, The Real Real, and more.
• On “auntie” fashion:
  • “You ain’t putting that on.” — AJ (31:17, about nakedness vs actual outfit choices)
  • “You sure you need to return to Forever 21?” — TamBam (29:35)

6. Fashion Icons, Rules, & Societal Norms

• Questioning where “age-appropriate” rules come from (white after Labor Day, etc.)
• Influence of celebrities on everyday fashion and the disconnect between performance and daily wear.
• On see-through and revealing fashion:
  • “When did we start dressing like strippers?” — AJ (45:06)
  • “It is slutty. I’m sorry.” — TamBam (45:15)
• The double standards for men and women in aging and nightlife participation.

7. Confidence, Body Positivity & Self-Awareness

• AJ emphasizes comfort, confidence, and not seeking excessive outside validation.
  • “If you gotta ask somebody too many times if this look good, it probably doesn’t.” — AJ (61:41)
• On tailoring: making inexpensive clothes look expensive through proper fit.
• Dressing for yourself (“Wear what makes you feel like your best self, not your younger self.” — AJ, 67:49)
• Confessing to some fashion choices motivated by attention but ultimately circling back to self-pride and individuality.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Superhero squirrel chase:
  • “A superhero squirrel from New York City, from the Bronx jumped out on me and was like…That started chasing me, y’all!” — TamBam (07:19)
• Men and “soft clothes”:
  • “Can you put on a quarter zip? I’ll never see you in a suit, or a button up…” — TamBam (26:40)
• Fashion confidence:
  • “Just because it fits, don’t mean you should.” — AJ (29:12)
• On quality and tailoring:
  • “Tailoring elevates everything…and that is so true.” — TamBam (62:10)
• On “sneaker balls” and adult proms:
  • “A sneaker ball can go to hell. … It don’t never look nice to me.” — TamBam (58:24)
• On mini handbags and being prepared:
  • “This bitch will pull out an air-conditioner, portable charger … she has a full-size flashlight!” — TamBam (60:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:09] Weekend stories
• [06:12] Manifesting a Jay-Z concert ticket
• [09:27] Locked out of the concert, chaos at the doors
• [12:33] Dame Dash “ultimate hater” segment
• [17:19] Who are the real scammers?
• [19:27] Tommy Lee’s FIFA sneaking scandal
• [25:54 & 26:03] At what age are crop tops canceled?
• [29:35] Shopping, quality, and “auntie” fashion
• [39:08] Why “dress your age” doesn’t apply equally
• [44:03] Fashion rules & celebrity influence
• [45:06] See-through & stripper-inspired trends
• [50:34+] Lighthearted “fashion court” game
• [61:00+] French Tips: final advice and takeaways
• [67:49] "Wear what makes you feel like your best self"
• [69:40+] Final thoughts and affirmations

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French Tips — Closing Advice

• Buy for your body type: Just because it says it’s your size, doesn’t mean you should wear it.
• Tailoring is next level: Make even cheap clothes look expensive.
• Confidence is your best accessory; self-awareness is a close second.
• Don’t dress for attention you don’t want—know what you’re attracting.
• Find your “best self” outfit: Dress to make yourself feel great, not to chase your younger self.

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Final Words

With infectious energy and unfiltered honesty, TamBam and AJ celebrate wearing what you want, at any age. They push back on arbitrary fashion rules and double standards, encourage listeners to invest in quality, embrace tailoring, and—above all—own their confidence and comfort. Whether you're manifesting your way into a concert, dodging squirrels, or searching for the perfect crop top at 52, this episode is a joyful affirmation of living and dressing out loud.

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Transcript

[AJ Holiday]

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[AJ Holiday]

Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, a production of iHeartRadio and the Black Effect Network.

[Tam Bam]

We're just two unapologetically black women with and opinion who talks back.

[AJ Holiday]

What's up y'?

[Podcast Interjection/Background]

All?

[AJ Holiday]

It's your girl AJ Holiday long winded aj. What's up Tam Bam y', all. It's me.

[Tam Bam]

I love y' All. I missed y' all so much. Thank y' all for coming back again this week. I was just telling this bitch, 45 minutes top bitch. She was like, how. How sweet.

[AJ Holiday]

I cannot. Like, I be having to finish my fucking thoughts out, and I still, still don't be saying everything I want to say. I'll listen back and be like, that is not the point. I was trying to get to. But then I got Tammy saying, wrap it up. She probably about to say, wrap it up right now in the intro.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, because we, for some reason, we not talking about our weekend yet. That's a problem.

[AJ Holiday]

Hey, girl, how was your weekend exactly?

[Tam Bam]

Let's get to it. All right, what did I do?

[AJ Holiday]

No.

[Tam Bam]

Well, first year weekend. Tell me about your weekend.

[AJ Holiday]

Do shit. Listen, we want to hear about your weekend. What did I do this weekend? Like, for real, right quick yoga. Hot yoga. I just been trying to get ready for next weekend. I ain't had nothing going on for real this weekend. I did do brunch with my mom on Sunday.

[Tam Bam]

That was nice.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. I called her like, 11:30, like, hey, you want to go to brunch? I just didn't want to go by myself. And she said yes this time because I asked her, like, every couple weeks.

[Tam Bam]

And that was cute.

[AJ Holiday]

I know. So we went and had a stupid ass, expensive, dumb ass brunch that wasn't worth the money. I could have cooked at the house per usual. But I enjoy spending time with my mama, man, just talking shit, giving her some of this personality. She said, I'm a strange. I'm a strange little person is what she said to me. And I said, I'm a big person.

[Tam Bam]

Right. But you didn't say you weren't strange. I appreciate that you are, you know, own that.

[AJ Holiday]

I. I don't know that I'm strange, though. I mean, I could be.

[Tam Bam]

Everybody's strange.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

I don't think there is no normal anymore.

[AJ Holiday]

It isn't. So when somebody says that I need now I need clarity, now I'm gonna act strange asking for clarity. Anyway, how was your weekend?

[Tam Bam]

My weekend was lit. Okay. It was so lit. All right, so y', all, I. I didn't have no ticket to see Jay Z. Right. But I went and bought me an outfit. I just was doing all the things manifesting. Yeah. Like, I'm going. I took the. I took the days off of work. I just was like, yeah, I'm going. And then, like, right when. Right when Jay Z dropped that he was doing a concert, I immediately text Charlamagne, like, hey, My friend, I don't ask for nothing. Cause I love you and that's it. But if you ever cared about me at all, and you get a suite for Jay Z, please send me a ticket. He thumbs up that shit, right? But he ain't. And then I. He ain't say shit. We talk often. He ain't say, mention it. And then I asked again, and he ain't respond. He just stopped talking. I was like, fuck, he ain't taking me. But, like, two days before the show, he was like, hey, I got a suite, nigga. I'm on the way. I got to New York day of the concert. Day of the concert. It was lit Friday night. I feel like it was the best show, even though that's the only one I ended up at. But it was really good. Cause he just took us down memory lane. Blue came out. Beyonce started the show. It was just such a good fucking time. We had a ball. Then we went to the lounge afterwards, he took us all backstage to the lounge, and Jay Z was like, right there, y', all, baby. I was on the inside like this. I was screaming on the inside. But I was like, I gotta act

[AJ Holiday]

like he's acting cool. Like, you belong there, period. Because why?

[Tam Bam]

Because we do. Yeah. All the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right?

[AJ Holiday]

Who's Sean? Oh, Sean. You talk about Beyonce's husband. Oh, okay. Yeah, I know them.

[Tam Bam]

Yes. That's the energy I was giving in there. But I was really screaming on the inside. So that was fun. It was such a fun night. We had a good time. And then shit instantly went left. Like, so, like, literally right after the show, I got in the car with Shila and all of them to leave the arena so I wouldn't be in the madness. And then I was like, just take me a little ways away from the arena and I'll catch an Uber. Because they were going, like, literally opposite direction for me. Yeah. I get out of the car to go to my Uber, because I'm talking to the man on the phone. He said, that's me. Yeah, my lights are flashing. So I see the car with the flashing lights, and I was like. I just walk up there. It's behind us. So y', all. I start walking up there, and it was like, you sure? I was like, it's just right there. You can see the lights from here. It's fine. I jumped my ass out that car, and I crossed the street, and I start walking, y'.

[Podcast Interjection/Background]

All.

[Tam Bam]

A superhero squirrel from New York City, from the Bronx jumped out on me and was like. And that started Chasing me, y'.

[Bethenny Frankel]

All.

[Tam Bam]

I. I swear I ran like Shakari Richardson. I'm talking about. I was out. That thing was on my foot.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, girl, One of them black squirrels. They got black squirrels up there. It was it a squirrel? Squirrel. It might have been one of them big ass rats.

[Tam Bam]

It looked orange on the tips. Like, it looked hair, like, long hair, and it looked kind of like orange in color. And it was thick. It wasn't no little ass squirrel. If it was a squirrel. It was kind of thick, but it wasn't no dog or cat. I don't know what the that was. All I know is I would. I ain't wear no smoke with it. So I took off running. I finally made it to the car, so I snatched the door, and it's locked. And then the windows rolled down. It was like, bitch on some New York shit, bitch, what the wrong with you? I was like, oh, I'm sorry.

[AJ Holiday]

I thought you were my Uber.

[Tam Bam]

So now I'm running again because now New York is about to beat my ass. Yo, the Bronx is about to be. It's a squirrel and two Bronx behind me. Like, let me just go. So, yeah, that happened on Friday night. Yo, what? But I made it to my Uber, and everything was good. Saturday, we were in the car Friday, like, oh, we want to go to the next show. I was like, me too. I just kept throwing it out there. Me too. So then Charlemagne text me, you coming to the show? Absolutely. Y', all. I get there late. Like, the show had already started by the time I got there. But it wasn't that long. It had been. He hadn't been on long. The same thing that happened on Sunday happened on Saturday. They just not talking about Saturday. Niggas was fucking rushing the door, so they locked the door. And I was not able to get into the concert. I was sick. I never made it inside. And I had floor season. Charlemagne was like, where you at?

[AJ Holiday]

You right by the stage.

[Tam Bam]

I was crying. I was crying in the car. I missed Saturday night. And then Sunday, I just gave up. I was. I was like, it's time for me to go home. Auntie is tired. Cause I end up still going out Saturday night and partying in New York. And that was fun, but I. I don't like the people who went three nights in a row. How.

[AJ Holiday]

Right?

[Tam Bam]

How did you do it?

[AJ Holiday]

Well, I saw a bitch on Instagram saying that this Jay Z concerts, this was equivalent to the PPP loan. You just missed out, right? So she was like, the people who look like they were supposed to be there. Also bum rushed and got in because they looked like they were supposed to be there. Meanwhile, the.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

The.

[AJ Holiday]

The fucking hood, you know, y' all wasn't supposed to be there. So y' all got left outside, or some of y' all might have got in. How you compare this to the PPP loan?

[Tam Bam]

Right?

[AJ Holiday]

The finesse.

[Tam Bam]

I know they weigh in all three nights. Never bought one single ticket.

[AJ Holiday]

Only in New York. Mad Max.

[Tam Bam]

Right? Because how you.

[AJ Holiday]

How you. That could never. In South Carolina. Like, you ain't getting into Charleston. I would say the Coliseum. You're not getting in there without a ticket.

[Tam Bam]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

Do y' all push past security?

[State Farm Sports Narrator]

I guess.

[AJ Holiday]

They don't got no pistols or nothing.

[Tam Bam]

Hey, Yangi stated like the security had done went in the building. Like, just shut the door. Shut the door. So the niggas was like, you know, the little wine. The. The. They was out there. They didn't took the wine. They didn't took. Took over the, like, the station for security. And they telling bitches to put their bag on the thing. I was like, ma', am, do not put your bag up there. That. He does not work here.

[AJ Holiday]

Wow. I don't like New York.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. Like, what's wrong with y'? All?

[AJ Holiday]

So is Jay Z only. It's over with, right? Like, Jay Z is not going on tour.

[State Farm Narrator]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

It was just kind of.

[Tam Bam]

Because then he's going to la. He just added London. He had Perry, so he's going. I'm thinking about going to that London show. For real?

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. Because it's 250.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. Easy, easy.

[AJ Holiday]

Versus how much you paying over here? The flight probably cheap as hell, too, to get in Heathrow.

[Tam Bam]

Yep. Yeah. Kanye British in it. In it.

[AJ Holiday]

In. It's supposed to be doing New Orleans. I want to go to that.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. Somebody else was saying that Jay Z, London and Kanye are right. Like, the same time. I want to go see Kanye instead.

[AJ Holiday]

I want to go to see Kanye.

[Tam Bam]

I want to see Kanye, too. I want to see him walk on that world. That is fire. All right, let's get in the sins.

[AJ Holiday]

All right, y'. All. So Dame Dash had much to say about Jay Z's concert. I'm wondering, was he in attendance?

[Kal Penn]

No.

[Tam Bam]

Did you happen to have known if he was there, they would have had pictures of that all over the Internet.

[AJ Holiday]

Dame Dash is like, the ultimate hater.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

And the nerve of him to have his legs crossed while doing as much hating. As much as he liked to call niggas gay, it almost seemed like he realized his legs was crossed. And he had to get like, in a real stance right quick. Like, he uncrossed his legs and he put his elbows on his. On his knees. Like, no, we saw your legs cross. Talk about another grown man. You saw that Chatty.

[Tam Bam]

Oh my. But I like women legs cross, though.

[AJ Holiday]

I don't mind it, but it depends on who it is. Deem Dash is like these. These New York guys, the no homo and all that. It's like, that's homo, right? The legs crossed as far as they concerned. Is it? Not everything is. Not everything is pause.

[Tam Bam]

Everything is pause.

[AJ Holiday]

Them legs cross from a New York nigga's paws.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, especially I think it. It is. It's also what he's saying while he's sitting there with his legs cross.

[State Farm Sports Narrator]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

He said Jay Z keeps flexing his girl. Like, we know who your girl is.

[Tam Bam]

We know.

[AJ Holiday]

We know she be touching you and stuff. Like, why you getting your haircut by your girl on stage? Like, you need a lineup.

[Tam Bam]

I never let my cut my hair. Cause I need a lineup. Shut up. Like, why are you so mad? Why do you care so much? Like.

[AJ Holiday]

Cause.

[Tam Bam]

And that's how you know, like, when a can't find nothing to hate about, why you go, why you keep showing us your girl? Like that's someone who just can't find nothing? Because the show is fire. You can't say anything about it. The nigga's still spitting bars. He came out there looking better than he's looked in a decade. Let's talk about that. Looking like ol Jay Z. He looked fit.

[AJ Holiday]

He got his teeth.

[Tam Bam]

Teeth looking nice. Cut that hair off. Cut that old energy off. Shedded some fat. His body looking lean. He looked good. That nigga fit.

[AJ Holiday]

He looked blessed.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

God please help me never. I like, how do you. How do you even be?

[Tam Bam]

He wanted to be there. That's what it really was. He want.

[AJ Holiday]

I bet you if he would have called Jay Z and say, man, I love you, man. I want to come to the show. Jay Z would have that at the show.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, Like, I want to apologize.

[AJ Holiday]

I don't know. Maybe not. You know, people be doing. It's like, nah, I ain't with you. Yeah, he's one of the motherfuckers.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Jay Z probably want to beat that nigga up in real life and just don't, can't. Because you know, Dame just looking for a lawsuit.

[Tam Bam]

For real.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, he looking for a payday.

[Tam Bam]

Knock them teeth out. Them teeth already be falling out.

[AJ Holiday]

You really should shut the up Fab. If your teeth Be falling out, dog. That mean you talk too much?

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, you say. All right, so look at this. US rapper Boosie seeks $300,000 refund after failed Trump pardon bid. All right, so it says the rapper reportedly paid 600,000 to push for president's pardon, but firm says no partial refund promise. Louisiana rapper Booy Badass is reportedly looking to claw back $300,000 from a firm of Washington, D.C. lobbyist after they failed to secure a pardon for Donald Trump after he hired them to pursue the overturning of his conviction on charges of possessing a loaded weapon at a music video shooting in 2023. Boosie, whose legal name is Taurus Hatch and who hails from his home state's capital of Baton Rouge, paid J.M. berkman and associate $600,000 in 2025 to advance his push for a pardon from the U.S. president, according to a report on Monday from Notice covers the federal government. But a pardon was not forthcoming, and Hatch is now taking up the issue through arbitration, potentially portending a genre of litigation stemming from Trump's habit during his second presidency of dueling out pardons on masses. What? In mass.

[AJ Holiday]

Doing our pardons and mass. Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

To people he considers to be aligned with him and were convicted of federal crimes. I'm not reading all of them, but yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

So basically, he. To me, essentially, this is probably a donation of some sorts, right? And how is this legal? I have no idea. But he essentially got finessed by two people who say that they are close to Trump and they could have made this happen for him for $600,000. That money probably never made it to Trump's campaign. First of all, you just got finessed, dog. You might have to. That's a lot of money to eat. Like, y' all be killing niggas in the streets for less. Like, I feel like something should happen to somebody outside of court. About $600,000. I'm sorry, like, what?

[Tam Bam]

That's a lot of money.

[AJ Holiday]

But this is why, you know, and we gonna have a whole episode about Caresha spin that right? Because we are not the real scammers out here.

[Tam Bam]

No.

[AJ Holiday]

Is these mother. Is these corporates. Corporate corporation owners, you know, and they're from a certain lineage. They are the fucking scammers. And they have convinced the world that is us. It is so weird to watch another group of people do all the things that they accuse us, accuse us of doing. It's just the weirdest thing. I had somebody comment to me on Instagram one day like, yeah, y' all just all Y' all do is sue, like insinuating. Like what? What do we even have money, like, collectively to just put lawsuits against people, Right? Well, we be looking for pro bono lawyers or we have a really good case. Like, if we really do sue somebody.

[Tam Bam]

Right. That's about to be my bag, though. I'm about to sue everybody because they do it for sure. It's like that I done let slide over the years. I'm not doing that no more.

[AJ Holiday]

Yes.

[Tam Bam]

Your motherfucking ass. Yes.

[AJ Holiday]

Talk shit. You might get sued, okay? For slander. You better be able to prove it.

[Tam Bam]

If I go somewhere my steak too hot. I'm suing y' all ass because it

[AJ Holiday]

burnt my tongue, period. Where's the sticker that says 500 degrees? Remember, somebody sued McDonald's.

[Tam Bam]

That's what I'm saying.

[AJ Holiday]

Who the fuck orders cold coffee? You know, your coffee was hot, but it waste on you. And now you get to sue.

[Tam Bam]

And one.

[AJ Holiday]

Yes, please. Now they put on the cups. Caution warning. Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

Contents may be hot.

[AJ Holiday]

They would send that same cup back if it was cold.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

So I mean, this is. This is American culture, right? Niggas sue every day, B. It's just not us that's usually doing the suing. But I'm wondering what, Boosie, what you gonna do? What you gonna do with them white folks? Don't give your money back. You gonna take it to the streets.

[Tam Bam]

You gonna take that l on the chin is what you're gonna do. But spin. That should be the new national anthem as far as I'm concerned, because the that's y' all been scamming since the beginning of the time. Make that decision. Yes. Make it the second verse.

[AJ Holiday]

But speaking of who be scamming, Tommy Lee hit with felony charge after allegedly entering FIFA World cup match without a ticket. How sway it says O O? I don't know. I want I look. Maybe she did some that they was doing in New York at the Jay Z concert, right? Bum rush the doors. She looked cute, though, in her little mug shot. It says Tommy Lee is facing a felony charge after being one of six arrested during the England versus Norway FIFA. Norway FIFA World cup match at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami over the weekend, according to NBC. NBC NBS News. What the fuck? According to CBS News, court documents say Tommy allegedly entered the stadium through an unauthorized entrance without a ticket While more than 65,000 fans were in attendance. Investigators claim the reality star later made her way to the 100 level seating area before deputies detained her. She was arrested and charged with interference with A sporting or entertainment event, a third degree felony under Florida law, before being transported to the Turner Guilford Knight Correctional center for processing. This Miami Dade Sheriff's office girl.

[Tam Bam]

What I. And the thing is, I feel like she could afford a ticket. That's the sad part. Now you got a felony charge behind that shit. That seems excessive, though, but depending on

[AJ Holiday]

how much those tickets cost like that could. That's definitely it could very well be a felony if a tickets cost a 10. $10,000. I can only imagine she was trying

[Tam Bam]

to make sure athletes. I ain't mad at you, cuz. Who on a 100 level, right?

[AJ Holiday]

Tommy was trying to get to them niggas for sure.

[Tam Bam]

Hell, yes, she was for sure. Child.

[AJ Holiday]

That is kind of chicken headish, man. Like, what you doing, Tommy?

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, it is kind of chicken head ish.

[AJ Holiday]

But y' all doing.

[Tam Bam]

I get what you was after my sister.

[AJ Holiday]

What you doing, man?

[Tam Bam]

I'm not sneaking in the. I don't like. Because I don't like having. No.

[AJ Holiday]

And be embarrassed.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, that part I don't want to be embarrassed.

[AJ Holiday]

Now you go to jail.

[Tam Bam]

I'm not gonna enjoy the shit because I got. I gotta keep my head on a swivel.

[AJ Holiday]

And she ain't get in there and sat down. She got in there moving around, right?

[Tam Bam]

Sit your ass down. You should try to be seen. You can't be seen from your seat like that.

[AJ Holiday]

And I know she probably had on some. She looked like she ain't supposed to be at no soccer game, right?

[Tam Bam]

Bikini top and some.

[AJ Holiday]

She'd be looking cute sometimes.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, she's super cute. She is. With some. It's some jorts in there with a bikini top on.

[AJ Holiday]

Look, speaking of fashion, I want to talk about what is the age limit for certain

[Tam Bam]

looks?

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. Like certain fashion. Right? Because, you know, you see that saying all the time. Like, just because they got your size, that would mean you need to wear it, you know, Is there an age limit for how to dress? Y' all see everybody be getting on. On Jim Jones. That's what I want to talk about today, y'. All.

[Tam Bam]

All right, let's get into it.

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[Tam Bam]

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[AJ Holiday]

All right, y', all, so we're back. I got a question, Tam. At what age are crop tops canceled?

[Tam Bam]

No age as far as I'm concerned, because I. I got on one right now while we doing the recording. I love me a crop top, but I just, I do feel like it's a time and place for everything. You got to know how to like, turn it off and turn it on. I will say that, but I listen. I'm a hypocrite. And let me tell you why. Because I hate when I see men over 40 looking like a Y N. Like when they look too wide in this all the time. And I ain't. I'll never see you in a suit or a button up or a linen or nothing like that ever. Soft clothes.

[AJ Holiday]

That's what my stepdaddy call it. Soft clothes.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. So quarter zip. A quarter zip. Can you put on a quarter zip? Like something. When I never see that, that's when I'd be like, yuck, get out of here, you big ass grown ass kid.

[AJ Holiday]

A teen what? Teen year citizen. So they be calling Jim Jones a teen year citizen, right? And I, I don't know that. To me, like with women, when women dress younger, it doesn't like stand out as much versus when men do it.

[Tam Bam]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

I think Jim Jones has been dressed in the same way his entire career and he, he is a staple, right? He did start a lot of the, the way these kids dress now. Like the rockstar rapper type look like he's always been dressing like that. So he's like, how the fuck am I too old to dress like that? Like, to dress like this. I've been, yeah, this is me, right? Right. Y' all niggas dressing like me now. Y' all trying to say I'm too old to dress like me, right? What is that? Right? So I understand where he coming from and I think it's just his, it's the energy, his demeanor behind how he dressed too. Like, he's childish, but we childish. Like I, I'm a Toys R Us kid for sure. Like, I got bubbles for this weekend. I got a cigarette that blow bubbles. I'm. I'm be doing that this weekend and I keep meaning to order that little, that little thing. I could put my debit Card in a little wand so I could tap it. Like, I like all that.

[Tam Bam]

You're gonna be blowing bubbles this weekend. They can't wait.

[AJ Holiday]

I can't wait. You know those little cigarette little candies like to blow the smoke? Yes. So I. I understand, right. When it comes to women, I just think that I just love to see a fine old bitch dressing young. Cause like, but you got the body and all the things. Like, I feel good for them, right? Because they feel good and they look good. So our. Our crop tops, we got a mutual friend that is a crop top. Girly forever.

[Tam Bam]

But body, teeth.

[AJ Holiday]

Yes, period.

[Tam Bam]

I ain't never seen her. I don't even know if she knows shirts got bottom halves.

[Kal Penn]

Like

[AJ Holiday]

she gotta own a million crop tops. Like, I never seen her with a whole shirt on. I never seen her with a shirt tucked. You ever seen her with a belt on like this?

[Tam Bam]

No. Yeah. No.

[AJ Holiday]

And it's just her uniform. Like, we know when we see her, that's what she gonna have on and ain't. I mean, it's really nothing wrong with it.

[Bethenny Frankel]

But

[AJ Holiday]

I think my dress is tied more so to weight versus age. Right? So like I said, just because you could put it on, that mean you should. Just because it fits on, right? And I might see somebody way bigger than me with the same shit on and they don't give a fuck. It may not look bad on them at all. But it's like, I be tripping, Mitch. I'm tripping.

[Tam Bam]

My thing is quality over. Like, I just feel like you're close to start being more quality once you get older. Like, I was so happy when Forever 21 closed down in Charlotte because my friend was shopping there all the time.

[AJ Holiday]

I was like, girl clothes is falling apart. Those are one wears. There ain't no two summer clothes. Like, you're not gonna have that next year.

[Tam Bam]

She passed all the time.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

That.

[Tam Bam]

That get you some quality shit. Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

And you know, being naked at this age, like, to me, being naked, that's not fashion either. That's not fly. So I feel like women, when you put that on, like clothes. That's all I was saying. Like, winter is bad season, right? You know, the, the, the naked girlies don't know what the. To put on the winter. They catching pneumonia because they still naked whole time. We got the fly ass boudon furs, whatever. Like it's

[Tam Bam]

layers.

[AJ Holiday]

Yes. And it looks great, right? Okay. Fly shit. I do have some friends that, like, they keep on like a little teenager dress that is not fly. And that's Easy. And you just naked. Really?

[Tam Bam]

Just naked.

[AJ Holiday]

You just naked. So I, I do feel like at some point like that I. I don't know. I. I guess that's just not dressing really. They just don't know how to dress right. So throwing on a. A dress where you know your ass is poking because it's like bodycon. Yeah, that's safe, I guess. I don't know. I do. I wish they would put some other shit on because that ain't putting that shit on. It's actually the lack thereof.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah,

[AJ Holiday]

you ain't putting that on.

[Tam Bam]

What is your like, what is your go to place to shop? Okay.

[AJ Holiday]

After shopping for this weekend, like I found so many like nice dress shops, boutiques and stuff like that online because I've been looking for like a few weeks now. But I mean like last minute, I still with Fashion Nova, right? Even though you can get a bunch of. You gonna order 10 things from there and return eight.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. But you start credit.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, I hate it. I am, I am, I am in store credit purgatory right now. With Fashion Nova I just spent like 300 something dollars in store credit this week. Literally waking on a. Waiting on a package right now. But with Fashion Nova I shop by material. Like I will literally put cotton linen in the search bar and it'll. It'll pull things up. Right. Because I do try to stay away from polyester. But though a lot of that cotton shit. Yeah. Lycra and rayon, like all of that is just not natural materials. So I try to stay away from it. But yeah, Fashion Nova revolve a lot.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Norma Tamale. Yeah. Mishka Meshki. Meshki. Yes.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. I love about Revolve Revival got free two day shipping. Okay. Yep.

[AJ Holiday]

And it's coming.

[Tam Bam]

And it's coming. Them sending that to you right away. I will get four things in the medium large, extra large, the same shit. Because I know that I can send that shit right back and they give me my money back. I also like Baby Boo, but Baby

[AJ Holiday]

Boo don't have a return policy and some of these things could. No, they got store credit too. I literally was about. I literally better look. I literally was about to order like four dresses from Baby Boo and Ty looked at the return policy and saw that they only do store credit.

[Tam Bam]

H. I did not know that.

[AJ Holiday]

And them dresses is still.

[Tam Bam]

And they not cheap. Yeah, they not cheap.

[AJ Holiday]

Some of them. Now some of them look cheap though when you get them. Like they don't look cheap online, but they're not the best quality when you actually get them either.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. You know who else has been like, trying to get me to shop there? And I'm kind of scared because I don't know nobody that's buying anything from them. Akira.

[AJ Holiday]

I know people who shop at Akira and Akira got good overnight, two day shipping too. They'll do overnight and two day shipping. I have gotten a couple pieces from Akira. And I mean, again, it's more close to like fashion nova, pretty little thing type quality.

[Tam Bam]

But they be having like, little stuff that looks like very quirky, like very trendy looks that you won't find anywhere else. I'm like, oh, this is cute. Okay. Akira. And then I'd be like, yeah, I'm scared. So I know.

[AJ Holiday]

And shoes and stuff. I don't trust shoes, like from those places. Like, I know my foot gonna be hurt and that heel gonna be kind of crooked. It's not made right. I buy flats from those places. I'll buy like a flip flop or something like that. I shop on the real. Real a lot too. And I. And I re. Resell shit. I keep some shit for resale.

[Tam Bam]

Well, maybe you can resell these, these boots for me. Which ones? Some of those.

[AJ Holiday]

No, it's real stuff for the real.

[Tam Bam]

Real. No, real. I talk about some real shit. Not them boots that nigga gave me. Girl, they authenticate, okay?

[AJ Holiday]

Oh, yeah, they do. Yeah, you send some fake, they're gonna send it back and they might charge you for the shipping because you know they give you free shipping when you, when you selling stuff to them. They'll just, they'll come picking that up from your porch. Actually, they'll send you.

[Tam Bam]

I ain't buying no fake. Some sent me some fake as a gift, okay?

[AJ Holiday]

Yo, why? My sister was like, one weekend I this is 4th of July weekend, I invited her over to my homegirl house and she was like, all right, now I'm just calling to let you know when you see me. I got on these Louis Vuitton sneakers out my stepdaddy house next to it, which is our storage unit. I'm like, girl, I'm ain't real. I don't give a. That's why they over there. She came right over there with the fake ass Louis Vuitton sneakers on that a Gave me, see two pairs of fake ass sneakers.

[Tam Bam]

Don't do that. Do not do that.

[AJ Holiday]

Years years ago. And I talked to my since what

[Tam Bam]

you saying like that? Because what you spent on those fake ones, you could have got me a pair of Nikes and I would have been Happier with that.

[AJ Holiday]

Exactly.

[Tam Bam]

Okay. Please.

[AJ Holiday]

What's something you'll wear forever? You think something weave clothes wise, like, I think about.

[Tam Bam]

This is a part of my outfit. I don't know what the fuck you talking about. This is Right. But eyebrows. If. As far as clothing is concerned, what would I wear forever? That's just never gone. That's just timeless for me. A jumpsuit, a one piece. I'm aware I'm gonna wear a one piece forever. I love me a jumpsuit.

[AJ Holiday]

Me a fly ass denim jacket. Like, I'm always looking for a nice ass crop.

[Tam Bam]

The kids be like, aunties wear denim jackets. They was. I like, offended because I love. I don't try when I travel. I'm gonna have a denim jacket with me. They're like, oh, that's it. You're auntie. You wear a denim jacket.

[AJ Holiday]

But I like a good crop one, though. Yeah, like a good crop, sporty, bomber looking. I love bombers. That's my shit. I love a good blazer.

[Tam Bam]

But what's like, very young that you like? That's like for the kids.

[AJ Holiday]

The denim jacket ain't young. The denim jacket is on. T shirt.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, girl, that's good.

[AJ Holiday]

I never knew.

[Tam Bam]

I. I just heard that and I was so offended because I love my denim jacket.

[AJ Holiday]

Now watch one of them. That's be done. Still stole your shit now, right? Because all the shit I. I was watching my mom and thinking it was some old shit I wanted.

[Tam Bam]

Now it was a video and it was like, you know, she and auntie, if she got a denim jacket. It was like all these pictures of women over 40 with denim jackets. I was like, y'.

[AJ Holiday]

All, you know, I think the men also like denim because you will catch a. With a denim jacket and jeans on.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Like a denim two piece.

[Tam Bam]

I feel like I like me some denim.

[AJ Holiday]

Me too. Just don't have it creased up now.

[Tam Bam]

But I just be looking like. Like some of that in my. Like, I really just need to have like a yard sale because I just got some. A lot of that in my closet. I have one. I just can't even believe I used to wear that. You do you have stuff, like,

[AJ Holiday]

so much that I haven't touched in years. Like, I can literally just. I got Arden B. I got BB When BB had, like, clothes was like, quality. I got.

[Tam Bam]

What happened to them? They used to be like, arden B. And B.B. you was that girl if you had that. Yeah, that was a long time ago.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Tam Bam]

I feel like.

[AJ Holiday]

Was it. It wasn't Covid. That happened to them. They was going down way before then. I don't know what it was that caused those. Those brands. Maybe it was fashion nova because even bcbg, man, BCBG only has online now and they really only sell gowns. The BCBG had all the fly shit too in nowadays.

[Tam Bam]

Girlies loved it. Yeah. I don't know but I'm trying to think of something that I wear that's probably too young for me per se. And I can't think of nothing. And let me just say this. When them rocks, them old ass white men who like rockers, they still dress the same way they did when they was.

[State Farm Narrator]

No.

[AJ Holiday]

And definitely dressed like Jim Jones.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, yeah. Nobody give them any shit about it. So Jim Jones wear that shit to you 97. I don't give a fuck. You can put that shit on nobody give them hell. Ain't nobody told Osby Osborne to dress your age.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

Because what is that though? You know? What is dressing for your age? Now I will say that I am guilty of telling my ex one day because I just was tired of seeing him with like sweatpants and a T shirt and a fitted hat like every fucking day. Like, where are your grown man clothes? You don't got no hard bottoms. Like, you know, every time we got to go someplace, you got to go buy something. Like where. Where your nice little fits at. You know what I'm saying? You should be able to do both sometimes.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Or, you know, I'll just buy the things. I'll buy the things I want to see. See a a in Right.

[Tam Bam]

Because you know, I went, I went out with my yesterday and I. When he put on his outfit, I was like, it's kind of interesting choice to be out with me. Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Because it don't match.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Match my aesthetic.

[Tam Bam]

Zero percent. Yeah. But I mean he is. I mean he is younger. So like he get a pass.

[AJ Holiday]

Would you. Would you rather be overdressed or underdressed?

[Tam Bam]

Usually, like, I don't believe in overdressed. You, you can never overdress. You can always underdress though. So I think no.

[AJ Holiday]

So living in Charleston, it's like I really. Even though I really don't give a fuck what people gonna have on, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be my fly self. I'm gonna put on what I want to put on. But I do be feeling like when I, when I do decide to go out around here, I feel like I be wasting clothes. There are some of the young, like the girlies like in their little 30s, there's a little group of them that be extra fly, extra cute, got shit going on. And then my. My. My homegirl who I hang out with, like, we always gonna put that shit on. She goes out way more than me.

[Tam Bam]

But I'm like.

[AJ Holiday]

I always feel like I'm wasting clothes around this motherfucker because I. I wanna. Not that I'm trying to go out to, like, look. I want people, other people to look good too, where I'm going. Like, I wanna. I want it to be a fashion show. I do. I want all the bitches to be fly.

[Tam Bam]

Girl, I went to. So I felt cute in my little dress yesterday, y'. All. I. Me and AJ had dinner or. What was that brunch? I don't know. What time was it? Girl, that was dinner.

[AJ Holiday]

Girl, it was seven o' clock in the evening. And Tammy was like, this not dinner, this is lunch.

[Tam Bam]

But I went to this place shout out to. It was called Good Vibes Only. It's kind of hood, kind of hood. It wasn't. I felt like I wasn't matching.

[AJ Holiday]

Feel like. Did you feel like an auntie in there? Oh, okay.

[Tam Bam]

Would they be young?

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, they be young in there.

[Tam Bam]

No, I feel. I feel. I felt like I fit right in in the age group.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, like, you childish.

[Tam Bam]

I know that. I can admit that.

[AJ Holiday]

I do go some places sometimes and feel old. Right? They got good ass food like Good Vibes and Gullah grooves say owned by the same people. They got good ass, the food gonna be consistent. But Good Vibes has turned into the hood because, I mean, you got the one nice spot where the grown people won't come. Who gonna go home at 10. And you gotta. The hood niggas, the Y N's is who gonna spend all the money. They gonna buy the bottles and all the things. So you gotta have something on a Tuesday. Was it packing there? Yeah, see, like. And I. I'm scared of that shit, though. But I do be feeling old amongst those kids.

[Tam Bam]

What you scared? Why you were scared? Why you be scared? It's dangerous.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. Charleston is not like a safe place, you know, Especially when it's too many.

[Tam Bam]

I should be scared, but I wasn't sure.

[AJ Holiday]

Them is nuts, man. And I mean, I think maybe even. Even that particular spot, they might have like 30, 30 something year old Y ins, you know what I'm saying? They ain't. They super, super duper young lions. These who got kids and they ain't really trying to lose their life on a Tuesday, so.

[Tam Bam]

But I knew I Knew that it was kind of hood because they bottom shelf tequila was called Bermuda, bitch. I ain't never heard of that. I was like, this might be the trenches a little bit.

[AJ Holiday]

Who do you think these fashion rules come from? Like wearing white. Can't wear white after Labor Day. And I always be like, bitch, please. White before Labor Day is after Labor Day, right? Is it not? When is the cutoff?

[Tam Bam]

Right? Like when does it start? You can wear winter white. That's what they say. I feel like that rule no longer applies. People wear what they want, you know. Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

I wear flip flops in a dead ass cold ass winter.

[Tam Bam]

I wear socks and. And slides when it's cold. I will. I never wear no flip flop in the winter.

[AJ Holiday]

Really think it's celebrities that decide what people wearing, right? Because sometimes I feel like some of the clothes that people now choose to wear like out just a regular degla bitch going to a regular degular club. Like, you are not Beyonce. Why you got this on? It just.

[Podcast Interjection/Background]

It's just.

[Tam Bam]

Or Beyonce.

[AJ Holiday]

No, Beyonce is performing Beyonce on a regular day is not wearing this shit. That is a performance outfit.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

That type of all bra tops. See straight, see through. Like when did that start? Like I'm.

[Tam Bam]

We used to all.

[AJ Holiday]

We used to wear like the see through tops now with the bra jeans or something like that. But now like it'd be a whole see through. Yes. Yeah. You might have tape on your titties. When did we start dressing like strippers?

[Tam Bam]

Basically slip. Oh, you.

[AJ Holiday]

Oh, oh, auntie.

[Tam Bam]

It is funny.

[AJ Holiday]

Get into it, why don't you?

[Tam Bam]

It is slutty. I'm sorry.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. Because it's not like, that's not fashion. That's. That doesn't look nice. And then you know, what type of attention are you really looking for? Yeah, you gonna get it. And you mad when a come at you. Your out baby's out.

[Tam Bam]

Your whole ass is out.

[AJ Holiday]

I'm gonna get the same attention fully clothed.

[Tam Bam]

That part.

[AJ Holiday]

So really that's low self esteem when you think you got a dress like that for attention. I don't think it's.

[Tam Bam]

Some people be looking good in that shit though. But it's just like, girl, you gonna. You might be attracting the wrong type of energy. Unless that's the energy you want.

[AJ Holiday]

I mean, so people wearing like the thumb and then there's different levels to like the mesh, right? You have stuff that looks see through but not really see through. You know, it's like skin underneath there. But it's.

[Tam Bam]

It.

[AJ Holiday]

Even if even some. That have like the skin tone, liner, whatever. But some of them that have really, really small mess is just enough sexy. It's just a way to do all those things.

[Tam Bam]

I agree.

[AJ Holiday]

Right? But having some shit straight on where I can touch your skin through it. You're wilding with a thong on and pasties on your nipple or the ass

[Tam Bam]

out the skirt at the bottom. I don't like that either.

[AJ Holiday]

Y' all not getting paid like bitches who dress like that in a club and shit. Like, they're getting paid in the strip clubs and stuff. At least you just going outside like this for free.

[Tam Bam]

And then your butt like that. Your butt got pimples on it. Like, I shouldn't be able to see all that.

[AJ Holiday]

And then it's winter and you don't got no health care.

[Tam Bam]

Right. It's a lot of reasons why this is wrong. And that's just one thing. I mean, young girls, like my friend's daughter, she was like, it's just like cleavage. Like, just showing a little cleavage. Just. It's the same thing. No, not to me. It will never be the same because I don't have no right up under my titties. It would never be the same thing for me. There's a under there. You need to protect that. You need to guard that baby. Maybe I am, auntie.

[AJ Holiday]

I don't know. I mean, because in some. In some ways it does feel like sometimes like I do see a online. I think Jim Jones is probably the only man that gets heat for doing young shit, right? But women are always being told how they too old for some shit, you know? Too old to be talking like that. Too old to be wearing that.

[Tam Bam]

Too old to be in the Going to the club. Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, it's almost like we expected to fucking disappear at a certain age. Like, why are you seen, right?

[Tam Bam]

Why are you not a golden girl right now?

[AJ Holiday]

They expect you to be like Chinese women. Like, you will never see them bitches pregnant outside where they be at. Bright, we know y' all procreate because there's a lot of y'.

[Bethenny Frankel]

All.

[AJ Holiday]

But where the fuck y' all be having them babies? I never seen a pregnant Indian lady. I never seen a pregnant Asian lady. What?

[Tam Bam]

Shut up.

[AJ Holiday]

Have you?

[Tam Bam]

Yes.

[AJ Holiday]

You seen a pregnant Chinese lady before?

[Tam Bam]

I don't know if she was Chinese, but I've seen a pregnant.

[AJ Holiday]

Sorry, sorry. I don't just mean Chinese, like Asian. I've never seen that.

[Tam Bam]

Yes, my nail tech was pregnant and doing my nails.

[AJ Holiday]

Them bitches.

[Bethenny Frankel]

Who?

[AJ Holiday]

Them Vietnamese. They don't count. They Black.

[Tam Bam]

First of all, these are jokes, everybody. No to the fake mail. These are jokes.

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[AJ Holiday]

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[AJ Holiday]

So style versus trying too hard. So some examples of like miniskirts, crop tops, matching sweatsuits.

[Tam Bam]

I mean, what I like matching sweatsuits.

[AJ Holiday]

Are we talking about like, what's that brand with the little across your back?

[Tam Bam]

Aloe.

[AJ Holiday]

No, no, no.

[Tam Bam]

I love me an aloe sweatsuit.

[AJ Holiday]

You know, what's that brand that have shit written across your butt?

[Tam Bam]

Von Dutch.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, like Von Dutch type shit.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, that stuff. Be cute. Von Dutch made a comeback.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, I'm not wearing it. I'm not. I don't really like labels like that. Like written on stuff.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. Oh, I don't want nothing written on my butt across.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, me neither, girl. Why does she say BBL fashion? What the is BBL fashion?

[Tam Bam]

Disrespect. I don't know.

[AJ Holiday]

BBL fashion might just be them cat suits like that. That mesh material that you could buy from the XXL stores and the hair store.

[Tam Bam]

Yes. Yeah, that.

[AJ Holiday]

That's folded up in a small tiny ass. Like if you could put all your clothes in a Ziploc bag, heading out of town. Like your clothes. The clothes is too little. All right, let's play a little quick game, right Quick. This is a fashion court, okay? So you got to let me know if this is age appropriate. Too young or. Confidence makes it work. And our age is a 52. 52 year old woman.

[Tam Bam]

Okay?

[AJ Holiday]

But these are 52 year Instagram aunties, okay? The fine ones that be working out and shit. A leather mini skirt, okay?

[Tam Bam]

This is gonna be all of them for me.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, for me too. Just for the sake of the game. Nike dunks.

[Tam Bam]

Confidence makes it work. I mean, it's just a sneaker. Like, you can't. Can you be too old for a sneaker? That's crazy.

[AJ Holiday]

I buy sneakers now because my mom was never buying none of the fly sneakers. Like, I had them basic ass Nikes from middle school to fucking high school till I started buying my own shit. So now, like, I love me. I got Jordans that people don't be having and I don't wear because I really wear my Jordans to the gym. Like some old classic shit and they be dirty. I like Kobe's. I like all that shit because I just wasn't getting it. So maybe it's a trauma. Trauma response. Why I be buying that type of shit now?

[Tam Bam]

Or you. I mean. Cause what then you. What you gonna have on a heel? That's right.

[AJ Holiday]

I'm wearing my sneakers bright pink here.

[Tam Bam]

I mean, it just depends on what you do. You can't go to an office with that. And it also depends on what type of office you work at. Cause some you can.

[AJ Holiday]

At this point, I wanted to do color hair. I was a blondie for many, many, many years. I was blue hair and pink hair, like in middle school and shit like that. I wore all the colors and I kind of feel like that is where it belonged.

[Tam Bam]

When we was in college, y' all actually had bust down, 42 inch, middle part blonde. Please don't play with her.

[AJ Holiday]

And listen, my. My roommate at the time, she was from the Bronx, right? She was like, yo, if you go to New York, you gonna look fucking crazy with that the very next semester when I tell you she was looking like me. Bitch, I'm a trendsetter. I came to Benedict with lashes on.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

I remember.

[Tam Bam]

And I did not know nothing about putting on a lash. And I remember Tina was putting on an eyelash and I was like, why the fuck is she doing that? Like, oh, my God.

[AJ Holiday]

And then I came to school with lashes on.

[Tam Bam]

I started doing it too.

[AJ Holiday]

I Came to school with lashes on, great contacts and Blahma. Fucking 24 inch at 18. And I have been doing that shit since the 10th grade.

[Tam Bam]

Blonde. Yes.

[AJ Holiday]

Girl, why this had to been either. It was 10th grade for sure. I had all Tommy Hilfiger. I didn't repeat nothing, bitch. For months, my sister was boosting all the shit. Bitch from. From JCPenney's and Bilks. Tommy Hilfiger. Down with the wet and wavy 24 inch.

[Tam Bam]

Hey, y' all was hiding that from your mama at the bus stop.

[AJ Holiday]

I had no choice because my mama had cut all my damn clothes up. I told you about that. Yeah, my mama cut all my hoochie clothes up. I have shit to wear to school that year. She cut my clothes up so bad, she almost cut her toe off.

[Tam Bam]

Damn. She.

[AJ Holiday]

She sliced right through her Nikes and still was wearing them. Shoes for two more years. Bikini on a vacation. Like, what I'm. I'm always. I'm always wearing a bikini.

[Tam Bam]

Exactly. Why are you out there without a bikini? I hate when people be like you. Oh, my husband and my kids are here. Oh, well, teach them about a bad bitch because they gonna learn the date. Cause I got this on.

[AJ Holiday]

Distressed jean.

[Tam Bam]

There's no age on that.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, I don't even wear jeans that often. Cause I just. I'm just too fat right now for jeans, dog.

[Tam Bam]

What?

[AJ Holiday]

That don't make no.

[Tam Bam]

You don't even have, like, tight jeans are not even in style that much.

[AJ Holiday]

I just be feeling so stuffed with jeans on. Like, I need breathable fabric.

[Tam Bam]

Women.

[AJ Holiday]

Like, I want to feel naked all day. I would go outside naked.

[Tam Bam]

What is it, Amber Crumb?

[AJ Holiday]

No, you talking about American Eagle.

[Tam Bam]

American Eagle, Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

They jeans are good.

[Tam Bam]

And I get like a big ass size and then get it taken in at the waist. And it's just so cozy and cute.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, they foot nice. They fit nice in the ass, too. If you don't got no booty for real, go get you some of them American Eagle jeans. They gonna give you. They gonna give you some ass. They gonna get that ass.

[Tam Bam]

That's who it is. Aeropostale has good jeans things, too.

[AJ Holiday]

Bodycon dress with sneakers. I do that sometimes.

[Tam Bam]

I hate. I hate a dressing. It just depends. Because I hate a. A sneaker ball. A sneaker ball can go to hell. I don't know. I hate that. It don't never look nice to me.

[AJ Holiday]

I talk about, like a little, you know, regular cotton, little body con dress and some sneakers with some scrunchie socks. I do do that in like the fall time.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, that's, that's okay. But a sneaker ball. Don't nobody do that no more, please. If you're listening and you trying to plan something, don't let it be that I hate that shit.

[AJ Holiday]

And then I, I, I don't like snooker balls either. I, I'll agree with that. Like them adult proms and all that shit.

[Tam Bam]

I'm cool.

[AJ Holiday]

I'm not wasting this fucking dress playing around with y'.

[State Farm Sports Narrator]

All.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, with some sneakers on. I'm gonna put on a beautiful pumpkin, a beautiful heel with this beautiful dress. Because if we are playing basketball, I don't see the point of me having on a sneaker with this dress. Huh?

[AJ Holiday]

Do you like those little tiny handbags?

[Tam Bam]

Yeah, they're cute.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, but what? I, I'm such a bag lady, I guess, right? And I remember Tommy, Tommy said that somebody said something about her having a little bag. She was like, I don't, I don't carry baggage. And I'm like, you know what? You're right. Like, I really don't be needing all the shit I leave my house with. I literally have one purse and I have the big purse with all my bullshit in the backseat.

[Tam Bam]

She be you be like, prepared for everything.

[AJ Holiday]

I hate not having something I know I got, like, and I gotta buy it again.

[Tam Bam]

This bitch will pull out an air conditioner, portable charger. Oh, you got a battery. Hold on one second. I got it. The lights go out. This got a full size flashlight.

[Bethenny Frankel]

The

[AJ Holiday]

do be having everything you need, because why not? I hate not having what I need. I just like being prepared.

[Tam Bam]

This will have a microphone. There's a, like a, a microphone, a karaoke mic just ready to go in her purse.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

A wand.

[Tam Bam]

Why do you have a magic wand in your purse? Like, this is. Wow.

[AJ Holiday]

Now I do travel with the wine. I do. I just want to, like, make sure people have a good day. Like, maybe I can.

[Tam Bam]

That's so crazy that you had that in your purse.

[AJ Holiday]

I don't care in my purses. I don't want to break it. But I do be having that wand on me.

[Tam Bam]

Okay.

[AJ Holiday]

Anyway, this is fun. Let's get into some French tips right quick. And we're gonna get the up out of here. So my. I feel like just buy for your body type. That's my own thing. My only thing, right? Yes. Just because it can it, it says it's your size. Like, that doesn't mean you should wear it.

[Tam Bam]

Does that mean yes, but it's not, it's not wrong. It is Mean, but it's not wrong.

[AJ Holiday]

The old people gonna tell you that all the time. Baby, that don't look nice. They gonna say it just like that. Baby, that don't look nice. Like, you look uncomfortable and then you tugging that shit the whole time.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

You not comfortable. I just be wanting to be comfortable. And it's like, you know, if you gotta ask somebody too many times if this look good, it probably doesn't. Right.

[Tam Bam]

The fuck. Like, it just probably doesn't feel good in it. If you feel good in it though, by all means, wear that shit. I'm a. Yeah. Firm advocate for it. Don't matter how anybody else think you look in it. If you feel good in it, rock that shit.

[Bethenny Frankel]

Mm.

[Tam Bam]

Tailoring elevates everything. And that is so true. Yes, I will buy a cheap ass dress and then pay to get it tailored and make it look like it's expensive.

[AJ Holiday]

Exactly. Because that shit is like fitting your nice silhouette on.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

And I think that's something you. We gotta learn. I feel like I've been getting Taylor tailored for a long time, but probably started like in my 30s. Like you just was buying shit. It was a little too big, a little too small. You just go on about your business or here you are trying to sew some shit or bobby pin some shit up.

[Tam Bam]

I still do that. Put a safety pin somewhere up if I can't get it to alteration shopping time.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. But yeah, tailoring some shit, that's like next level grown lady shit. You want nice fitted clothing. Your man too. Confidence is the best accessory, but self awareness is also a close second.

[Tam Bam]

Right.

[AJ Holiday]

If you already uncomfortable before you even leave the house with that thing on, chances are you should leave it at home. Who are you wearing it for? Are you wearing it. You know, just so you can get attention? Is the attention. You getting the right attention? Bad intention, like.

[Tam Bam]

And you knew your titties was falling out of that before you left the house. Now you just holding your titties all night long.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah.

[Tam Bam]

And are you having.

[AJ Holiday]

Whether women want to admit it or not, we do do a lot of things for the male gaze. We just do. And we do things for each other's gaze. Like, you want a bitch think to know you fly too. But I remember having a gold grill, which I want another one. And I am going to get one soon. I remember how I had a gold grill like most of high school and my mama hated that shit. And it wasn't until I met a nigga in the club. I'm. I'm fucking 15 in the in the 21 older club met a grown ass nigga. And then he like, man, you so fine, man. Why you got that that grill in your mouth? And it was that day I stopped wearing my grill because the told me

[Tam Bam]

it wasn't cool, you know.

[AJ Holiday]

So we do do things. Even though I liked it. Like I thought it was fly as hell. It was kind of ahead of the time, you know. But the said it wasn't it, so

[Tam Bam]

I stopped wearing it.

[AJ Holiday]

Now I wish I had my friend

[Tam Bam]

be making fun of me because I'll do this. Like we'll be like somewhere and I'll be like, come on dates with me and I will dance. But I'll be dancing for the I like that's over there. And she like, I am over here dancing. I thought we were dancing together. But you have not paid me not a liquor of attention this whole time. You just used me. You used me.

[AJ Holiday]

You know, Priscilla are so much alike. Y' all are such sex kittens. Okay? It's like Tammy the type of who put her little finger in her mouth like. Such a sex kitten. Look, look, look.

[Bethenny Frankel]

Look at here.

[AJ Holiday]

Flip it, flip it, flip it.

[Tam Bam]

Yes, that's my. I will definitely be grabbing in my hair and rolling my hair. She like, bitch, I'm about to go

[AJ Holiday]

see what you be hearing when you walking in there. My boys are puss when I walk into the room. That's what you be playing in your head when you walk in.

[Tam Bam]

It's Milkshake by Khalees. My milkshake brings all that boys to the yard.

[AJ Holiday]

Now I'm walking like a duck, bitch. Because both of us walk like ducks waddling.

[Tam Bam]

They get all sexy, but you waddling in the clinic.

[AJ Holiday]

Them like it.

[Tam Bam]

I know a like it. He with the ducks.

[AJ Holiday]

Trends should inspire your style. They shouldn't define it right? So we see like the celebrities wearing trendy type things. Everything is not for everyday living on the streets. That's just how I feel about it. Like all that. Some of that just belong on TV for entertainment purposes.

[Tam Bam]

I'm just whoever decided Kitten Heels was back. God bless you. I hope you have the best year ever. May your 2026 be fruitful, bitch. Because them kitten heels there was a time if you came out with a kitten, bitches be like, ew, grandma. Now kitten is in style. I love that for me always been

[AJ Holiday]

doing what the fuck I want. I can I vague, not vaguely. I distinctively remember my friends in college talking shit about me wearing a mule. Open toe like an open toe mule. Like with the Back that was just so whack to them. The very, like, next couple months later, these bitches got like. Because this is like, how is this ever whack? How is it ever whack? You remember those furlough bags? Like, the little clear furlough bags, the colorful ones? I was the first bitch in St. Louis in one of those. I swear to God, I bought that fucking furlough bag, and the rest of the city had it. Thereafter, I be saying motherfucking subtle little

[Tam Bam]

trends in my mind.

[AJ Holiday]

I swear, people don't be having shit. Motherfucking Michael Kors watch. I bought my watch in 2006. A bitch stole my shit in 2008. None of the bitches I was on vacation with had a Michael Kors watch, bro.

[Tam Bam]

I'm telling you, I used to love the Michael Kors watch. Latran. I used to buy them for my niggas. I was like, future, here go your ap.

[AJ Holiday]

But the original. Original Michael Kors, when they first came out, those big ones, the quality was totally different. It was real steel. It was very heavy. When. When the ship became, like, a trend, they became like the quality of it went down. It was so light. It was. It was fucking bullshit.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

I had the original, like, the first ones, bitch. And the bitch stole my damn watch. On vacation in Puerto Rico.

[Tam Bam]

Wow.

[AJ Holiday]

One of the girls I was on vacation with and this last French tip. Wear what makes you feel like your best self, not your younger self. I say do both.

[Tam Bam]

I'm about to say make just the first part. Leave it. Yeah. Wear what makes you feel like your best self, period. I'm all about that. Yeah.

[AJ Holiday]

So if you. If you feel like you look good, you do. Gotta ask too many different people too many different times. You're not sure.

[Tam Bam]

Leave it. Right?

[AJ Holiday]

Leave that. Because I know I've. I've definitely put some shit on and be like, damn, man, I should have. Like, right now, like, I'm trying to. I'm debating whether or not I'm wearing one thing, because I already know. Like, I'm already not comfortable, but how much of my titties is out.

[Tam Bam]

But I feel like it's an easy fix. You can sew that up.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah. If I'm gonna be concerned about them titties all night, like, it's gonna bother me. I'll be looking down my Tip my nipple out.

[Tam Bam]

Like, girl, my top. At the concert, it was like, I got this super cute top from Naked Wardrobe, and it had long fringe all the way to the floor.

[AJ Holiday]

That's my other spot. Naked wardrobe.

[Tam Bam]

Yeah. And it was cute, but it just kept getting looser and looser. Like, the fabric was just like stretching. Cause we were sweating. It was hot. Girl, I had a needle thread in my purse. I went right in that bathroom and sold it so much. Right on shirt.

[AJ Holiday]

Yeah, I seen a picture with them titties, girl. I said, oh, we get them titties for. Girl, that titties are sitting in there.

[Tam Bam]

It was. I had. I had some little titty pads on the side holding them up.

[AJ Holiday]

Oh, I see them, girl. Got the titties on for the weekend, child.

[Tam Bam]

When I got to the house,

[Podcast Interjection/Background]

Hey, y'.

[AJ Holiday]

All. Yeah, wear what the fuck you want. That's my last last. But don't wear it the you want, bitch.

[Tam Bam]

Wear what looks nice. I ain't got no last last. This was fun, though. I love y', all, man.

[Bethenny Frankel]

All right, y'.

[Tam Bam]

All.

[AJ Holiday]

So if you enjoyed this episode, y' all, tune in every Thursday on iHeartRadio app or wherever the fuck you get your podcast at. This is your co host, AJ Holiday 2.0 on Instagrams. Kick it, Tam.

[Tam Bam]

It's official. Tam Bam on Instagram, y'.

[Charlamagne Tha God]

All.

[Tam Bam]

Follow me there. Follow We Talk Back podcast on Instagram. Send us your dumb stories. We want those again because we want to do a dumb day like we did before. That was fun.

[AJ Holiday]

Not dumb day.

[Tam Bam]

That's what we'll call the next one. Dumb day. All right, y' all, remember, speak now.

[AJ Holiday]

The whole sum of that fashion. It ain't fashion. That's mean.

[Tam Bam]

Yep. But sometimes it's necessary. All right, y', all. We love y'.

[Bethenny Frankel]

All.

[Tam Bam]

Well, I love y' all and AJ appreciates y' all so much. Bye.

[State Farm Sports Narrator]

Bye.

[Tam Bam]

Bye.

[AJ Holiday]

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[AJ Holiday]

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[Tam Bam]

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