Podcast
When We Disagree
Hosted by Michael Lee · EN
What's a disagreement you can’t get out of your head? When We Disagree highlights the arguments that stuck with us, one story at a time.
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You Are Not a Pawn: Reclaiming Attention in a Wired World
2w ago00:19:55Tap to summarizeGloria Mark (attention expert, author of Attention Span and The Future of Attention Substack) challenges the reigning cultural narrative that tech giants have completely hijacked our brains. Debating those she calls "techno-determinists," Mark pushes back against the viral idea that users are merely helpless pawns to the addictive algorithms of TikTok and YouTube. While she freely acknowledges that big tech shares some of the blame, she brings a data-driven defense of human agency, showing how quickly mindless habits can form, but also how successfully they can be rewired. Rather than prescribing a hopeless path of total digital abstinence, she outlines a liberating framework of intentional reframing, showing us how to reclaim our free will and transform our devices from endless dopamine traps back into simple, purpose-driven toolsTell us your argument stories! Email guest and topic suggestions to us at whenwedisagree@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram
Transcribe →Season 3 Finale: Can Civility Survive Modern Politics? Meet a Lawmaker Who Said Yes
2w ago00:23:56Tap to summarizeFormer Minnesota State Representative Sandra Feist, who led the state's Civility Caucus and practices as an immigration attorney, shares two contrasting stories of political conflict. She details how an out-of-context tweet by a Republican colleague was successfully defused through direct, personal communication and shared policy expertise, eventually leading to a meaningful piece of bipartisan legislation. In contrast, she examines a separate floor altercation that spiraled into tribal posturing, partisan t-shirts, and a pointless digital media fight that left hard feelings on both sides of the aisle. Through these examples, Representative Feist pulls back the curtain on how interpersonal relationships can either forge cross-party solutions or amplify modern political theater.Tell us your argument stories! Email guest and topic suggestions to us at whenwedisagree@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram
Transcribe →Don't Give Up on People: The Radical Moderate's Guide to Polarization
3w ago00:25:26Tap to summarizeLauren Hall, author of The Medicalization of Birth and Death andThe Radical Moderate's Guide to Life Substack and the co-host of the We Made This Political podcast, breaks down why labeling half the country as unreachable is empirically incorrect, morally flawed, and strategically self-defeating for a liberal democracy. Backed by data tracking the shifting, diversifying realities of the American electorate, she reveals how voter choice is rarely a total ideological affirmation, but rather a complex, often reluctant compromise centered on narrow individual priorities. Instead of succumbing to the fundamental attribution error that strips our neighbors of their humanity, she offers concrete practices to "complexify" our worldview, dismantle artificial binaries, and rebuild essential social coalitions through localized, in-person community connections. Tell us your argument stories! Email guest and topic suggestions to us at whenwedisagree@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram
Transcribe →Anatomy of a Digital Boycott: When the Crowd Demands Retribution
3w ago00:26:41Tap to summarizeKatherine Brodsky, host of the Forbidden Conversations podcast and author of No Apologies: How to Find and Free Your Voice in an Age of Outrage, was the target of a cancellation attempt. While managing an online professional network for women journalists, an Fox News job posting on the forum triggered a cascade of intense community outrage. Brodsky explores the severe consequences she faced when she tried to steer the forum away from partisan politics and personal attacks, including online cancellation campaigns, bad-faith labels, and attempts to weaponize her past employers against her. This conversation pulls back the curtain on the hyper-reactive nature of digital spaces and the intense social pressure to conform, tracing how a self-described "people pleaser" found her own voice by navigating an online thunderdome.Tell us your argument stories! Email guest and topic suggestions to us at whenwedisagree@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram
Transcribe →The Young Problem-Solver: Teaching Conflict Mediation to Kids
May 700:22:07Tap to summarizeAttorney, certified mediator, and conflict resolution educator Catherine Wilhoit discusses how to bring problem-solving tools to young learners as early as possible. She explores how the philosophy of the "trained neutral," typically reserved for legal mediation, can be adapted into a teaching approach that empowers students to communicate effectively and resolve their own disagreements. Rather than relying on external authorities to impose outcomes, she advocates for a model that teaches kids to navigate their own paths toward productive, positive results. This conversation highlights the transformative potential of integrating mediation techniques into childhood education, fostering a foundation for healthy conflict engagement throughout life.Tell us your argument stories! Email guest and topic suggestions to us at whenwedisagree@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram
Transcribe →Every Leader Needs a Listening Tour
May 700:23:27Tap to summarizeAnnie Rappeport, who brings 15 years of dialogue design and facilitation experience at various universities, explores the professional friction between immediate productivity and deep, collaborative engagement. She has frequently navigated a specific disagreement: critics argue that a new leader should focus on rapid execution and desk-based visibility, while Rappeport insists that the initial priority must be meeting and listening to every team member. She maintains that relying only on past experiences or theoretical research rather than the lived experiences of a new environment risks leading a group astray. By prioritizing connective conversations and collaborative imagination, she advocates for a leadership model rooted in building resiliency and bridging practices rather than just speed.Tell us your argument stories! Email guest and topic suggestions to us at whenwedisagree@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram
Transcribe →The Division Industrial Complex: Who Profits From Your Anger?
Apr 2900:24:49Tap to summarizeSteven Olikara (founding CEO of Bridge Entertainment Labs, former U.S. Senate candidate in Wisconsin, and one of the stars of the documentary The Reunited States) pulls back the curtain on what he calls the "division industrial complex." This conversation shows how political operatives, traditional media, and social media algorithms purposefully manufacture outrage and blood sport for profit. Olikara shares surprising behind-the-scenes stories of rivals sharing photos of their kids in the "green room" before going on air to perform the very animosity they’re selling to the public. Rather than calling for a boring middle ground, he argues for an elevated WWE style of discourse where we embrace the joy of healthy, fiery debate without dehumanizing those across the aisle. Tell us your argument stories! Email guest and topic suggestions to us at whenwedisagree@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram
Transcribe →Two Cheers for Congress: Speaking up for the Legislative Branch
Apr 2900:30:10Tap to summarizeFrances Lee (professor of political science at Princeton, author of Insecure Majorities, co-author of In Covid's Wake) challenges the common narrative that the United States Congress is a hopelessly dysfunctional institution. While popular opinion often benchmarks the current legislature against a "golden age" of the legislatively productive past, Lee presents a data-driven "two cheers" case for the Congress we actually have. The conversation explores how Congress successfully mirrors a divided electorate through proportional representation, maintains a surprisingly bipartisan lawmaking process, and serves as a vital public sphere for executive accountability. By shifting focus from what is broken to what is working, this episode invites a reconsideration of the essential role of the legislature in upholding the rule of law and building consensus in a polarized era.Tell us your argument stories! Email guest and topic suggestions to us at whenwedisagree@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram
Transcribe →The Civic Hub: Reimagining the University Mission
Apr 2200:24:31Tap to summarizeIs civic education a fundamental duty of higher education or a dangerous political risk? Alex Kappus of Carnegie Higher Education Consulting and the Democratic Knowledge Project to discuss the growing institutional fear of being labeled "partisan" for simply teaching the mechanics of democracy. Kappus shares a decade of firsthand accounts (blocked voter registration drives, administrative pushback, etc.) to reveal how the quest for "neutrality" often results in student disillusionment. Together, they explore why colleges must move beyond the "optics" of fear to cultivate an informed, active citizenry that can navigate a polarized world. Tell us your argument stories! Email guest and topic suggestions to us at whenwedisagree@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram
Transcribe →Listen First, Talk Later: A Tactical Guide to Peace
Apr 2200:28:10Tap to summarizeKent Lenci, an educator, founder of Middle Ground School Solutions, and author of Learning to Depolarize, dissects a depolarization story in three acts. What starts as a heated confrontation over a seemingly neutral photo of Donald Trump evolves into a masterclass in de-escalation across multiple media, from the rapid-fire tension of video calls to the deliberate, cooling pace of email and the intimacy of a long-form phone conversation. Lenci reveals how discovering shared humanity, like the common struggle of a parent's schedule, can dismantle the "performativity" of public disagreement. It is a powerful exploration of the "Listen First" philosophy and why sometimes the most difficult people to talk to are exactly the ones who need to be heard.Tell us your argument stories! Email guest and topic suggestions to us at whenwedisagree@gmail.comFollow us on Instagram
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