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Yet there's not a whole movement saying all men, they're like, oh, men. Like the 99.9% of white men who are mass shooters. We don't say that there's like. I mean, some people are saying there's a crisis with men, but we have to, like, pass laws that like, limit the ability of white men to get guns and classify them as terrorists. There actually would kind of be, I mean, but to like, make it about identity.
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That would be logical, though. But they don't want us to say that.
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Statistically, it would make more sense. Yes, but still just. But it's un American to say. Did, like, say that you, if you're a white man, you, if you're a white man, statistically you are more likely to be a mass shooter based on the data. But like, to have to pass a law to say that all white men can't be. Can't get access to guns and need to be like, put on a terrorist watch list and classified as, like, potential terrorists. Like, they're trying to do with trans people. Like, when there's maybe like one or two Trans shooters. It's like, I know it's, it's. I know it's crazy. It's crazy. But what I, what I, I think like we're, we're in a meta, like political space now. And I, and I, and I love being there. But I also think that like, part of the reason I wrote this book too is that like, how do we, how do we bring it back to ourselves?
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Yes. And that was going to be my question.
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We can't come together across differences if we have not, if we're not right with ourselves, if we haven't like gotten to a place where we are not allowing our own traumas to affect the ways in which we interact with other people. I feel like sometimes with some of the TERFs, you know, we'll just use that as a shorthand with the TERFs, like a lot. There's a lot of trauma. When I hear, I'll just, I hate saying her name. But the Rowling woman, the Harry Potter woman. Well, sometimes when I hear her talk and I hear, I hear real trauma there, I hear like a fear, you know, and like trauma that is unprocessed around, you know, the assault that she experienced. And I have empathy for that.
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Well, she seems to be very red pilled. But what's fascinating to me is that anyone would think in a world where men look at the Epstein files, look at the President of the United States, at current and all of his allies, not being required to testify under oath, not being required to testify in public, men don't have to dress up as women to hurt men. Men just hurt us. Trans women are not having the level of courage to buck a binary that has been created by a patriarchal society for hundreds of years as a game. Your identity has nothing to do with other women. It has to do with yourself. And trans women are women. And that's what somebody like her I think cannot comprehend because she's clearly never to your point, investigated her own experience, her own trauma, or her own freedom to that level.
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And then how can we de center ourselves too? It's like we have, there's a whole, there's a piece around like dealing with our owning our story, dealing with our trauma, and we're responsible for that as adults, but also de centering ourselves so that it's not just about like my feelings and what's going on with me. It's like, how do I, like, look, look out and like not diminish myself, but understand that there's other perspectives and other ways of seeing things and, and not in making sure that I don't let my trauma, my whatever, allow me to not have perspective, to, like, look outside myself and not, like, always center myself well.
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And I think that's one of the healthiest side effects of doing the work is in a. In an interesting way, you get better at boundaries, and you also get more gentle with people. At the same time, you can space for people. And I'm curious if we can, like. I want to deep dive a few questions specifically on the book, because I. I'm like, girl, we need to, like, sit with a bottle of wine and have this political conversation for four hours over a good Italian meal.
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But.
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But the book in particular, when you think about that, because choosing to go inward and do this project is so personal, and you do it essentially in these three gorgeous acts. There's three segments of the book, but in a way, when you offer us these lessons by being so specific about your journey, you decenter yourself in a way, because you give us tools that are for everyone. And I'm curious how you began to figure that out. And especially when you look back at, you know, I want to ask a question about every segment. In the first segment, knowing something was off and then finding your identity in art, you know, thinking about asva, like, how did that begin to make sense for you?
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So the book is. This came from my therapist, Jennifer Burnflyer, who I'm seeing tonight. I'm in San Francisco. She's coming to the book event. She said to me in a session many years ago that the journey of healing from trauma is often going from what's wrong with me? Thinking as a child, like, something's wrong with me. I'm not like everybody else. And then I, you know, that was affirmed by my mother, who, what's wrong with you? My teachers, what's wrong with you? The other kids, what's wrong with you? And, like, internalizing what's wrong with me? Not something's wrong, and then evolving as I start therapy and understand that it's. Oh, it's actually about what happened to me. There's nothing wrong with me. Like, I. Things happened and, like, people put things on me. And, yeah, so it was about what happened to me and some of a lot of the abuse that happened to me that I was in denial about, that I didn't have the capacity to even hold. And so I disassociated as a child. There was no way I could process all that. So I brilliantly disassociated. But when it's time to be an Adult. Like, I have to, like, if I'm going to, you know, stay on the planet, be relatively healthy and functional, I have to actually deal with the trauma and what happened to me and admit that it happened and start trying to make sense of it and the stories that I've told myself around it and reality check those stories, reprogram and change those tapes and, you know, start reprogramming my nervous system. And then the what's right part three, what's right with me. Part of that healing that, that rewiring my nervous system is also about a both. And that, like, yes, there are neural pathways in my nervous system that are, you know, have been hardwired for trauma that exist in my body in specific places. But there's also, like, pathways of resilience that have always existed there. And I can build, like, new pathways and I can fortify the existing pathways of resilience.
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You can feed those. Yeah.
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And those pathways of resilience have always been there since I was a kid. And, like, under understanding that and looking back at, like, what was really part of the torture was, like, trying to go back and, like, well, just going back and being, you know, two years old, being three years old, and, like, all the fear that I didn't know how to let myself feel, feeling that and trying to make sense of what. What's going on for me as that kid and understanding that, like, I had a sense of myself from a very early age and a critical awareness that I developed because, like. And I think a lot of trans people probably have this and maybe a lot of queer people too, because we're told we're supposed to be this way and that you're, you know, you're a boy. And I'm like, that's not right. I know I'm not a boy. So I just started questioning. It was just like a questioning. And then I had a sense that I was here for something bigger than me. I just. That I was here for something big. I was supposed to be a star. And, like. And I just. In that sense, that sounds crazy and delusional in a way, but the events of my life have, like, proven that. I, you know, I. Yeah, maybe I wasn't so crazy that that resilience has always been there, that sense of self, which is such a miracle, such a miracle for me and to have. And one of the other gifts of my life is having a twin brother who has been there the whole time and who could bear witness. You know, I'm like, do you remember this? Do you. Do you feel like, you know, and the, and for him to be able to say, you are the same person you've always been, you're more yourself, you're, you're more, you're freer, you're less encumbered, but you've always, this is who you've always been since you were a kid. And to have that affirmed is, that's beautiful. Is a beautiful, beautiful thing.
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Yeah. We'll be back in just a minute, but here's a word from our sponsors friends. You know, we like to prioritize our health over here at Work in Progress. And we like to do that grounded in science. We got so much amazing feedback from you all when we had a medical expert on the show talking about allergies, allergic reactions, how to be prepared. Whether you're the person with allergies like me or you are a caregiver for someone or the parent of a kid who has them, we all need as much information about this stuff as possible so we can stay safe. And that's why I'm excited about our new friends at Nephi. This is for parents or caregivers of a child that experiences allergic reactions from food, medicine, insect or other allergy triggers. Now, listen, I know this time of year can feel like a lot. There's summer activities and camp and travel and getting ready for back to school. You are doing everything to make sure your child is safe wherever they are. You're educating coaches and teachers and other parents on your child's allergies, scheduling doctor's appointments, filling out camp and school forms, and the million other things that come with managing your child's allergy diagnosis. But at some point, you have to trust they'll be okay if an allergic reaction happens when you're not there. Right. Which is why I want to tell you about Nephi, the only needle free epinephrine nasal spray for those who wait £33 or more. It's used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. And Nephi works as well as a needle injector and delivers the same trusted epinephrine in a nasal spray. It's designed to be safe and easy to use at the first sign of symptoms. So in a high stress moment, your child or someone else can act quickly to treat an allergic reaction, even if you're not there. Nefi is also small, discreet and easy to carry, including in a backpack or a lunchbox or a sports bag, so your child is prepared anywhere the day takes them. You can pay as little as $0 for at least four Nefi devices two packs through the Copay Savings Program with commercial insurance if eligible. Patients should not pay more than $199 for NEFI. If you have medical conditions or take certain medicines, your condition may worsen. So tell your doctor about nasal, heart, thyroid or kidney issues, high BL blood pressure, Parkinson's, diabetes if you're pregnant or breastfeeding and any and all medications. Side effects include nasal discomfort, headache, runny nose, shakiness and throat irritation. Those are not all side effects. If your child needs a new epinephrine prescription or refill, don't wait. Ask your doctor about needle free Nephi today. Visit nephi.com that's N-E-F-F-Y.com or call 1-877-my-NEPHI to learn more. Stay safe out there. Choices Aren't they great? It's why Plan B made over the counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago because now you have a backup plan and a choice. That's freedom to be. Plan B is the number one OB gyn recommended emergency contraception. It is not an abortion pill. Get it immediately at all major retailers in store or delivery. Use Plan B emergency contraception as directed within 72 hours after unprotected sex. The sooner you take it, the better it works.
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Xolair Omalizumab is proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens. Xolair 150mg is a prescription medication used to treat food allergy in people 1 year of age and older to reduce allergic reactions due to accidental exposure to one or more foods. While taking Xolair, you should continue to avoid all foods to which you are allergic. Don't use if you are allergic to Xolair. Xolair may cause a severe, life threatening allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. Tell your doctor if you have ever had anaphylaxis. Get help right away if you have trouble breathing or if you have swelling of your throat or tongue. Xolair should not be used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. Xolair is for maintenance use to reduce allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis while avoiding food allergens. Serious side effect effects such as cancer, fever, muscle aches and rash, parasitic infection or heart and circulation problems have been reported. Please see xolair.com for full prescribing information. Ask an allergist about Xolair. This is an advertisement for Xolair paid for by Genentech and Novartis it's that
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an artist in pursuit of a stage, in pursuit of a camera. You know, in pursuit of a spotlight. But in pursuit of the process of being an artist like the learn like really learning to enjoy the process of creating a character of rehearsing of or of writing when I you know writing a solo show now the joys of that like but I didn't feel with this book but but the joys of being in process and being and technique technical meeting like especially when you study classical ballet. It's a very technical Art form. And so there's. There's technique there. There's. I have to keep my heels down at the. Till the very last minute and pull up so I can get six pirouettes. You know, there's like specific methodology that I need to achieve to like jump higher to legs higher.
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Yes.
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So the relationship between being that the acting things that I can learn, that I learned as an actor that can help me like in being a better human being or more effective in my real life. It's like, it's really cool when that happens. God, being an artist is like. It's such a sacred, sacred, humbling gift. Calling feels like self important. I feel called. It does feel like a calling. And it's my. It's mine. And whether, you know, you know, I cause the world, I guess I get really self conscious about like, what other, you know, oh, she sucks. She can't act, you know. And like, I have. I have. I'm probably my worst critic. Like, I have moments.
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Oh, me too. Nobody's meaner to me than me.
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Oh, yeah. I'm my own worst enemy. So no one can be more critical of me than me. But sometimes I have, you know. I remember the third. In the third Emmy nomination I got. I think it was season two, casual. And I remember when the season came, when the season came out, and it's this one particular episode and I was talking to my acting coach and I was like, oh, I think I pushed. I think I over. I overacted. And it was. I saw it. It was just like. And you know, and then like it was a year after we had shot it that it came out and I was just kind of like, oh, I just thought it was. I thought it was terrible. And then like literally a year later, because the way when orange. Orange always dropped in the summer. So it was like the. Would come out a year after we shot it and the Emmy nominations would come out a year later. So, like, it was like two years later and I got an Emmy nomination for that episode. And I was like, you're like, oh,
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I guess I did a good job there.
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And I know I went back and watched it and I was like. But it was like two years later and I actually had perspective. And so often when if it's too close, I'm thinking of all the things that I plugged in. So I can't. I'm not. I'm watching as the character in the same sensations, energy, traumas, whatever. I plugged in.
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Yes. Because it's still alive in you. Yeah, I Feel that, too.
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I need, like, two or three years to be able to look at my work, actually. So I looked at it and I was like, oh, okay. That's not. That's not so bad. Yeah, it's actually. It's. It's raw. It's raw. It's dropped in. It's big, you know, but sometimes.
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But it's a lot.
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But sometimes it's a lot. And sometimes. Viola, I love that moment. When do you see the interview when Viola was talking about doing fences and doing the thing. Doing the big scene. I've been standing with you for 18 years doing that big scene. And Denzel, she does it, and she's like, I want to be a cinematic actress. And she had done it on stage, and so I want to, you know, do a, you know, a cinematic performance. And so she does it, and Denzel's like, what was that? And she's like, I'm trying to, you know, not be too big and doing, you know, a cinematic performance. He was like, well, show me what you think is too big. And then she does. You know, she does. Was like, that's it. That. That's actually it. Don't do the other thing. Do that. And then she said. What I learned is that some. Some moments in life are big.
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Yeah.
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Some moments in life are big. They just are. And when you think about that moment in Fences. Yeah. You see this dutiful wife. Like, she's like, doing, you know, like, taking care of him and, like, doing all the things and supporting him when he, like this. They broke down patriarch, you know, who's just, like, all about himself, really. And then he has the nerve. The nerve to have a baby. And she's. It's like. And he's like, you don't know about when you had to not have your dreams. He's like, I've been standing with you. Yes. And it was just like, you see. Oh, I love Al J. So much. Oh, I literally. I mean, just thinking of, like, the things that we do well.
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But that's just it, right?
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It's like we do as human beings
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and the ability to offer to be so human that other people see themselves. I watched her give the most gorgeous speech this year at the NAACP Awards.
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Oh, I saw this. I didn't see.
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I wasn't there, but actually, yes, it was so beautiful. You know, it's like, I'm lucky. I get to. I'm like the white friend plus one with Nia every year when I'm. When I get to be in town and she Just, it's the most magical room. And her speech was so gorgeous. Oh, my God. And Sterling. And my God. I mean, everybody.
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But, God, I'm so annoying. Viola did the first, like, three times I met her, I cried.
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I don't know that I could talk to her.
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Iri was a sad question. First SAG Awards, I was on the carpet, and she walked by me. I was like. I just kind of, like, I had to, like, I was like, oh, my God, Laverne, chill. Like, it was like. And then we, me and Matt McGory presented, you know, the best actress in a, you know, TV series or whatever, and she won Patekalia's Murder. So we got to present her with the. With SAG Award, which was, like, epic, insane. I didn't really get to talk to her that night. I said a few words backstage. But then, like, the next year at the SAG Awards are, you know, orange worn for ensemble. And at the after party, like, she. And she had won, I think, for the second year in a row. And I passed her, and the photographer said, oh, can we get a photo with Viola? And I was like, is that okay with you? And she's like, sure. And then I sit down with her, and then they take the picture, and then I start talking to her, and I just was like. You know, there was a show called Judging Amy back in, like, the 90s, 2000s, and you had a guest spot on, and I didn't know who you were, and you were playing a crack at it who had relapsed, and then, like, was trying to get her daughter back and lost her daughter because she relapsed. And you. When they took your daughter, they took your daughter away. You. The way you fell down in the street. I was like, who is this woman? And I was like. I was standing, acting. Who's this woman? She fell down in the street, and she was weeping, and it was so raw, and it was so real. Oh, my God, I can't even.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, who is this? And I. I googled her, and I started seeing her lawn orders and stuff, and I was just like, who is this? And so I was just like. And she was like, oh, one of my crackheads. And she kind of said it, you know, and I was telling her the story. I started crying. Telling you this story, because it's so hard to, like, when you see something.
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Yes. You're like, no, that changed my life.
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The epitome of what you maybe would hope to achieve as an artist one day. And it's There it's like, and now I'm sitting next to you with a
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SAG award in your hand, ma'.
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Am. 25 years ago or something. Yeah. Oh, my God.
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Oh, Laverne, that's beautiful. We'll be back in just a minute after a few words from our favorite sponsors friends. You know, we like to prioritize our health over here at Work in Progress, and we like to do that grounded in science. We got so much amazing feedback from you all when we had a medical expert on the show talking about allergies, allergic reactions, how to be prepared. Whether you're the person with allergies like me or you are a caregiver for someone or the parent of a kid who has them, we all need as much information about this stuff as possible so we can stay safe. And that's why I'm excited about our new friends at Nephi. This is for parents or caregivers of a child that experiences allergic reactions from food, medicine, insect or other allergy triggers. Now, listen, I know this time of year can feel like a lot. There's summer activities and camp and travel and getting ready for back to to school. You are doing everything to make sure your child is safe wherever they are. You're educating coaches and teachers and other parents on your child's allergies, scheduling doctor's appointments, filling out camp and school forms, and the million other things that come with managing your child's allergy diagnosis. But at some point, you have to trust they'll be okay if an allergic reaction happens when you're not there. Right? Which is why I want to tell you about Nephi, the only needle free epinephrine nasal spray for those who weigh 33 pounds or more. It's used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. And Nefi works as well as a needle injector and delivers the same trusted epinephrine in a nasal spray. It's designed to be safe and easy to use at the first sign of symptoms, so in a high stress moment, your child or someone else can act quickly to treat an allergic reaction, even if you're not there. NEFI is also small, discreet, and easy to carry, including in a backpack or a lunchbox or a sports bag, so your child is prepared anywhere the day takes them. You can pay as little as $0 for at least four Nefi devices, two packs through the copay Savings program with commercial insurance if eligible patients should not pay more than $199 for NEFI. If you have medical conditions or Take certain medicines, your condition may worsen, so tell your doctor about nasal, heart, thyroid or kidney, high blood pressure, Parkinson's, diabetes, if you're pregnant or breastfeeding, and any and all medications. Side effects include nasal discomfort, headache, runny nose, shakiness and throat irritation. Those are not all side effects. If your child needs a new epinephrine prescription or refill, don't wait. Ask your doctor about needle free Nephi today. Visit nefy.com that's n e f-f y.com or call 1-877-my-NEPHIE to learn more. Stay safe out there. Choices aren't they great? It's why Plan B made over the counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago because now you have a backup plan and a choice that's freedom to be. Plan B is the number one ob GYN recommended emergency contraception. It is not an abortion pill. Get it immediately at all major retailers in store or delivery. Use Plan B emergency contraception as directed within 72 hours after unprotected sex. The sooner you take it, the better it works.
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Xolair Omalizumab is proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens. Xolair 150mg is a prescription medication used to treat food allergy in people 1 year of age and older to reduce allergic reactions due to accidental exposure to one or more foods. While taking Xolair, you should continue to avoid all foods to which you are allergic. Don't use if you are allergic to Xolair. Xolair may cause a severe, life threatening allergic reaction called anaphylaxis. Tell your doctor if you have ever had anaphylaxis. Get help right away if you have trouble breathing or if you have swelling of your throat or tongue. Xolair should not be used for the emergency treatment of allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. Xolair is for maintenance use to reduce allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis while avoiding food allergies. Serious side effects such as cancer, fever, muscle aches and rash, parasitic infection, or heart and circulation problems have been reported. Please see xolair.com for full prescribing information. Ask an allergist about Xolair. This is an advertisement for Xolair paid for by Genentech and Novartis.
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Yes, it is.
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To be though, you know, I think about that, like to go from watching a guest star when you were studying to then sitting on a couch together, each of you holding a saga board in the same season. You have and you, you cover it, you know, for you and for us in this beautiful book. But you have accomplished so much and you've talked so beautifully today and in other places on this book tour about understanding that we're at a sort of really intense inflection point where we have to come up with something new. You understand our history, you understand your own, you understand what's at stake for our future. And I guess I just wonder if it's something personal or if it's about policy or if it's professional. Like when you think and next my work in progress is what does it feel like for you?
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A
For me, personally? Yeah, I mean, it's. I always try to remind myself that the reason why anyone has listened to me is because I was on a TV show playing a character that they connected to. And that gave me the platform that I have to do the work, you know, the sort of advocacy work that I do outside of acting. So I, I, even when people want me to do other things and focus on other things, I've always prioritized acting. I've always focused on that. And I'm at a point now, artistically, I'm 54. And it's time, it's time to get better at this thing of being an actor. I want to, I want to be, I mean, we have Viola Davis. And then we have Emma. Emma Stone, the work she's been doing. The girls are acting.
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B
Acting their faces off.
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A
My God, that's where I'm at, like, on a personal level and using my voice when I can, the way I can. Part of my job is to educate.
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B
Yes, mine too.
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A
That's what I'm going to keep doing. And I. You know, there are moments of being afraid, but, you know, I don't have kids. I. This is my work. This is the. This is like, this is my. This is what I'm here to do. And I've even had moments where, like, at a moment where I was like, you know, people don't always survive these things. You know, I'm not interested in. Interested in being a modder or anything like that. Like, I don't. I tend to not go to protest because it's not. Yeah, I'm like, as a trans woman, I can't get around.
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B
It's not safe for you.
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A
Like, it's not me getting arrested is not me going to jail is not. I did that on tv. I can't do it in real life.
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B
No, ma'.
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A
Am.
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B
I just. I hope that everywhere you go, in a time where I know the community doesn't always feel welcome or safe. I hope everywhere you go, at least every day, someone looks at you and says, you. You got me through something. You changed my life. Cause you are doing that for me.
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A
Many of us, that has been one of the best blessings of this, of this book tour.
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B
Good. You've done that for me, Laverne, that
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A
I get to hear that. Because, you know, it's. I. I think when we, three years ago, when all the bud life stuff is happening, I felt. I felt like I failed. I felt like I felt like I failed. And like all this advocacy, not that it's just about me and it's kind of egotistical and I have to check myself, but I felt like I failed, you know, and it was even sort of my fault because. Because trans people, all of a sudden, they weren't this visible before Orange is the New Black. And so not to be, like, self important, but, like, I felt like I failed, and I still feel a little bit of that. And. But I also, you know, so all of this has been so humbling. It's been so life will humble you. And I. And I think I. And I welcome it. I welcome being humbled again. That's what. That's the thing that's happening for me as well. So it just makes me right sized it like, it's like I'm, I'm just, I'm no better than anybody else. I'm just on my journey, struggling like everybody else is, trying to do the best I can. And so if there is something I've done or said that is impacted someone's life in a positive way, that is, I'm, I'm, I'm able to take it in.
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B
Yeah, you can.
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A
In a way that I haven't always been able to. And I need it. I need to take, take it in because that's what it's about. That's what it's about. It's about being of service in some way. Yeah. I'm filled with so much joy and gratitude and I'm so humbled right now by this moment. And I surrender. I surrender.
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B
It's beautiful. I'm so happy for you. Congratulations. Thank you for coming today.
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A
It's so good to see you.
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B
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