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Wounded Hearts Wounded Churches
Hosted by Prince E. Moon · EN
In this wide world, there are so many opportunities to be hurt or misused. Our podcast has served as a platform to express these wounded hearts, as well as provide helpful information and testimonies from those experiencing personal and church losses. We invite you to join us in our efforts to promote healing, forgiveness, and reconciliation in the hearts of individuals who were impacted by church disenfranchisement and personal wounds.
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Episode 260 | Unity Rejuvenation - Bro. Cranston (Part III)
3d ago00:28:55Tap to summarizeDivision does not just break relationships, it breaks momentum. We sit down with Brother Steve Cranston, a young pastor serving at Rodburn Church of God in Moorhead, Kentucky, to talk about what it really takes to rebuild church unity when people are tired, suspicious, and worn down by years of conflict. Along the way, we share how simple tools like a congregation directory and updated contact spreadsheet can help believers find fellowship when they move, travel, or feel isolated.We also raise a burden that hits hard: some places appear to have few known congregations, including Utah. That is not a reason to despair, it is a call to connect, pray, and reach out. If we want a stronger holiness witness and healthier Christian community outreach, we have to know where people are and make it easier for seekers and saints to find each other.Then we get to the heart of it: forgiveness, reconciliation, and holiness. We talk about how unforgiveness can get passed down to the next generation, how misconceptions thrive when we never sit down for real dialogue, and why “sheep stealing” creates the illusion of church growth while starving evangelism. We speak directly to young adults who feel crushed by church politics and drama, and we end with a practical challenge that applies to every age: be willing to do hard things, make apologies, and remember this truth, you’re never gonna be wrong for treating somebody right.If this conversation helps you, subscribe, share it with a friend who needs hope, and leave a review so more people can find it.Send us Fan MailVisit us online: https://woundedheartswoundedchurches.com
Transcribe →Episode 259 | Unity Rejuvenation - Bro. Cranston (Part II)
1w ago00:23:17Tap to summarizeWhole parts of the country can go untouched by a clear gospel witness, and it’s not always because people are closed off. Sometimes it’s because we are. We sit down with Pastor Steve Cranston to talk honestly about church unity, disunity, and why the blank spaces on the map should trouble every believer who cares about outreach, evangelism, and soul winning.We trace how fractured fellowships and “working with them” conditions can quietly train us to look inward instead of outward. From the sobering example of Utah with no Church of God presence, to the hard truth that disunity can discourage the unsaved, we wrestle with what our public witness communicates. Steve also names a pattern many of us recognize: when conflict rises, we start “digging up dead men’s bones” and using history as a club instead of honoring the past and obeying God in the present.Then we get practical and personal. What should a young person do when they feel hurt by church issues? How do prayer, Bible study, fasting, and steady discipline keep wounds from turning into bitterness? We talk about discouragement, the slow slide that happens when you stop seeking God, and why healing is still available right now. The finish is a simple charge: don’t drop out of the race, because someone else is running beside you.If this conversation helps you, subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review so more people looking for Christian unity and spiritual healing can find it.Send us Fan MailVisit us online: https://woundedheartswoundedchurches.com
Transcribe →Episode 258| Unity Rejuvenation - Bro. Cranston
3w ago00:26:12Tap to summarizeChurch division leaves receipts: smaller congregations, locked doors, discouraged young people, and outsiders who cannot square our songs about victory with the conflict they see up close. We sit down with Pastor Steve Cranston to talk plainly about church unity, forgiveness, and reconciliation across the conservative Church of God world, and why healing starts with a decision to actually talk to each other.Steve shares his story of growing up in the Church of God holiness movement, walking away, and finding his way back to the Lord. That return sparks a question that many believers quietly carry: if there are sincere congregations scattered across the country, why do we live like strangers? His response is surprisingly practical. He builds detailed charts and a nationwide map of conservative Church of God congregations so we can visualize where God’s people are, how fellowships formed, and why connection has become so hard. The goal is not to shame anyone or declare winners, but to create clarity and open doors for fellowship.We also dig into what division does to the next generation and why discouragement is one of the enemy’s strongest tools. Steve offers a hopeful challenge: we may inherit the mess, but we do not have to repeat it. If you care about Christian unity, church restoration, and real spiritual healing, this conversation will give you language, perspective, and a next step. Subscribe, share this with a friend who feels discouraged, and leave a review with your biggest question about unity so we can keep the conversation going.Send us Fan MailVisit us online: https://woundedheartswoundedchurches.com
Transcribe →Episode 257 | Difficulties in Reconciliation - James DeGraffenried (Part II)
3w ago00:34:27Tap to summarizeChurch hurt is not just painful, it can be spiritually disorienting. We sit down with Brother James DeGraffenreid, a longtime Church of God minister focused on reaching people who have been wounded, and we name the problem many listeners have lived through: when pastors and leaders stop serving and start ruling, division follows and real people get crushed under it. We dig into why power is hard to handle, how “follow the pastor” can replace “follow Jesus,” and why that shift can happen in ordinary churches as well as overtly controlling groups. From there, we move into the practical heart of healing: reconciliation and forgiveness. We read and reflect on Jesus’ instructions about making things right with a brother before worship, and we take seriously the warning that unforgiveness blocks our own forgiveness. That leads to a bigger question with real-world consequences: why do churches split so often? We connect the dots between offense, bitterness, a lack of charity, and the slow breakdown of unity, while still holding out hope that God can restore what people have damaged. We also speak directly to anyone who feels discouraged or spiritually distant after being hurt. The encouragement is simple and weighty: remember what Christ has done, return to prayer when the Holy Spirit draws you, ask God to forgive you, and ask Him to help you forgive others. If you care about spiritual abuse recovery, Christian discipleship, church unity, and forgiveness in the Bible, this conversation will meet you where you are. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and leave a review with one takeaway you want to live out this week.Send us Fan MailVisit us online: https://woundedheartswoundedchurches.com
Transcribe →Episode 256 | Difficulties in Reconciliation - James DeGraffenried
4w ago00:30:27Tap to summarizeReconciliation is easy to talk about and brutal to live out. We sit down with Church of God minister James DeGraffenreid to get honest about what happens when believers are hurt, churches split, and “unity” becomes a slogan instead of a practice. If you’ve ever asked why some conflicts never seem to heal, or why apologies feel rare, this conversation brings both scripture and plain talk to the table.We start with definitions and go deeper than vibes. James pulls from Noah Webster’s 1828 dictionary to show reconciliation as action: calling people back into union after estrangement, settling quarrels, and even accepting God’s providence in affliction. From there, we ground it in key Bible passages on Christian reconciliation, including Matthew 5:24 and 2 Corinthians 5, where we’re reminded that God reconciles us to Himself through Jesus Christ and then gives us the ministry of reconciliation. That framework changes how we approach church conflict, forgiveness, and accountability.Then we tackle the question everyone feels but few say out loud: what if you want reconciliation and the other person doesn’t? We draw a clear line between forgiveness and reconciliation, talk about repentance, and discuss why restored relationship can’t be forced when someone refuses to humble themselves. We also address willful sin, 1 John 5, and the serious responsibility pastors carry, including how bad leadership can deepen division and create lasting church hurt.If church experiences have wounded you and pulled you away from a close walk with God, we end with practical, hopeful counsel: seek the Lord with all your heart, return to prayer and the Word, and trust that the gospel works anywhere in the world. Subscribe for more conversations like this, share the episode with someone who needs healing, and leave a review telling us what reconciliation has looked like in your life.Send us Fan MailVisit us online: https://woundedheartswoundedchurches.com
Transcribe →Episode 253 | Torn Asunder - Bernie Tocholke (Part III)
Jun 1300:27:24Tap to summarizeChurch hurt can make you question everything, including God, your calling, and whether you can ever trust a church again. We sit down with author Bernie Tocholke to talk about what happens when faith gets tested by painful church situations, and how healing is still possible without pretending the damage never happened. Bernie’s book Torn Asunder is honest about the shock, grief, and even the unexpected moments of laughter that can show up in a hard story, and he shares why he wrote it for people carrying wounds they rarely say out loud. We also talk about the practical, spiritual work of battling bitterness. Bernie describes crying out to God with real seriousness, not polished words, and watching bitterness slowly lose its grip. Along the way, we unpack a simple “penny, nickel, dime” listening illustration that exposes how easy it is to follow a voice, get distracted, and miss what’s actually true. From there, the conversation turns to leadership failures: what accountability can look like when a minister sins, why it creates a ripple effect, and why some people backslide when their anchor was placed in a person or a system instead of Jesus Christ. The heart of the message is clear: don’t settle for being “churchy.” Go deep, build a real relationship with Christ, and choose the long road of forgiveness and integrity. We close with a powerful story of family reconciliation that shows how love can rebuild what pain tried to destroy. If you’ve been searching for help with church hurt, spiritual abuse recovery, or Christian healing after division, you’ll find language, perspective, and hope here. Subscribe, share this with someone who needs it, and leave a review so more wounded hearts can find their way toward healing.Send us Fan MailVisit us online: https://woundedheartswoundedchurches.com
Transcribe →Episode 252 | Torn Asunder - Bernie Tocholke (Part II)
Jun 1000:30:04Tap to summarizeChurch hurt doesn’t just bruise your feelings. It can reshape how you think, who you trust, and whether you believe God is safe. We sit down with author Bernie Tocholke to unpack the story behind his book Torn Asunder and why telling the truth about religious abuse can be part of the healing. We talk about what keeps people trapped in high-control churches and cult-like systems, especially the “we’re the only true church” message that makes leaving feel like losing salvation. Bernie shares concrete examples of coercive control, including distorted Scripture and pressure that reaches into personal choices and finances. If you’ve ever wondered how to spot the warning signs of a cult church, this conversation gives you language for what you’ve sensed. We also get practical about recovery. We discuss why isolation is dangerous after spiritual trauma, why some people swing from church pain into addiction, and why peer support matters so much. Prince connects the dots to real-world counseling approaches and the AA model of people helping people, while Bernie describes trauma symptoms like nightmares and the slow process of wounds becoming scars that no longer control your life. We end with hope rooted in reality: family relationships can be restored over time, forgiveness is possible, and staying anchored in Jesus matters more than loyalty to a harmful group. If this helped you, subscribe, share it with someone who’s struggling, and leave a review so more wounded hearts can find a path back to healing.Send us Fan MailVisit us online: https://woundedheartswoundedchurches.com
Transcribe →Episode 251 | Torn Asunder - Bernie Tocholke (Part I)
Jun 600:18:06Tap to summarizeA family can survive a lot, but it is different when the pressure comes from a place that calls itself holy. We’re joined by author Bernie Tocholke, whose memoir Torn Asunder in the Jaws of a Cult traces how church conflict and high-control religion helped rip his home apart and dragged the pain into divorce court, crushing financial demands, and even jail time. It’s an honest conversation about church hurt that doesn’t stay theoretical, because Bernie lived the consequences.We talk about what cult dynamics can look like inside church culture: obedience framed as “faith,” questions treated like rebellion, and spiritual language used to control medical choices and family loyalty. Bernie explains why he wrote the book even though publishing rarely pays, and why hearing from quiet readers who felt seen made the work worth it. If you’re searching for answers about spiritual abuse, religious trauma, or cult recovery, his story offers real markers to watch for and the hard truth about what these systems can do.We also spend time on healing, not as a slogan but as a process. Bernie opens up about bitterness, how writing became a release, and how nightmares followed him for years until he finally named what happened and challenged the false teaching head-on. He shares the practices that helped him keep going, including a sincere cry to God and the surprising power of humor when everything feels dark. We close by talking forgiveness, what it is, what it is not, and how you can let go of hate without pretending the harm was fine.If this conversation helps you, subscribe, share it with someone carrying church wounds, and leave a review so more people can find it. What question would you want to ask someone who survived spiritual abuse and rebuilt their life?Send us Fan MailVisit us online: https://woundedheartswoundedchurches.com
Transcribe →Episode 250 | Danny Lane and James DeGaffenreid - Bro. James (Part VII)
Jun 300:25:37Tap to summarizeChurch hurt can make you question everything, not just people, but God Himself. We sit with that reality and talk through what spiritual recovery can look like when the damage came from inside the church. Prince Moon welcomes James DeGraffenreid, who shares how he faced disappointment, manipulation, and deep discouragement and still found his way back to joy, fellowship, and purpose.We get practical about healing from religious trauma and religious abuse: starting with an honest prayer when you have no strength left, turning down the noise to think clearly again, and choosing steps that move you toward the Lord instead of deeper isolation. We also speak directly to young people who feel bitter or betrayed, reminding them that Jesus offers a close, personal relationship that no leader can control or take away.Discernment is a major focus too. We talk about “many voices,” false prophets, and church environments that pressure people into loyalty to a system or a personality instead of helping them grow in grace. If you have been harmed by a church culture, we share what to look for in a healthy Christian community and how to leave a damaging situation without losing Christ. If this conversation helps you, subscribe, share it with someone who is hurting, leave a review, and tell us what helped you start healing from church hurt.Send us Fan MailVisit us online: https://woundedheartswoundedchurches.com
Transcribe →Episode 249 | Danny Layne and James DeGaffenreid - Bro. James (Part VI)
May 2700:25:29Tap to summarizeThey locked him out of the camp meeting, not because he was violent, but because they were afraid people might listen and leave. That moment opens a bigger conversation about spiritual abuse, religious trauma, and the way cult-like control can train believers to trust leaders more than Jesus.We sit down with James DeGraffenreid to talk about what “man rule” looks like in real life, why destructive groups often isolate and manipulate, and how to start healing without drifting into bitterness or unbelief. James shares where to find his resources (COGR Chronicles: Exposing the Shadows, plus Let Us Reason Together) and answers a listener question about Bernie Tahoke’s videos on the Destructive Cults YouTube channel. If you’ve been trying to make sense of church hurt, shunning, or fear-based religion, you’ll hear language that helps you name what happened and separate Christ from control.We also get practical: why staying home can deepen wounds, how honest Christian community helps with blind spots, and what to say to children caught in church splits and confusion. James shares a personal story about his son’s severe asthma and a faith decision that still moves him, then offers a simple prayer for anyone at the end of themselves: “Lord, help me.”If this conversation resonates, subscribe, share it with someone who needs hope, and leave a review so more wounded people can find a path toward healing and a healthier church.Send us Fan MailVisit us online: https://woundedheartswoundedchurches.com
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