
Nicola Coughlan shines a light on extraordinary young people from across history.
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Hi, it's Nicola Coughlan. I'm dropping into this feed to tell you about History's Youngest Heroes, a new podcast for BBC Radio 4. In this series, you'll hear stories about rebellion, risk and the radical power of youth. Over the next 10 minutes, you'll hear a preview from episode one.
News Anchor
The South African black nationalist leader Mr. Nelson Mandela is to be freed from prison tomorrow. The announcement was made by President F.W. de Klerk at a news conference in Cape Town three hours ago.
Host 1
Well, I'm a South African. I was 19 years old on the day that he was released.
Nicola Coughlan
Professor Jenny Steinberg teaches African Studies at Yale University. He remembers that day in February 1990 when Nelson Mandela walked free from prison.
Host 1
A day after he's released, he came home to Soweto, which had been where he lived 27 years earlier. And I was one of hundreds of Thousands of people on the streets of Soweto there to get a glimpse of him, to celebrate perhaps the most extraordinary day in my country's history. So he has been with me as he's been with every South African ever since. Always had a place in our hearts, sometimes in complicated ways.
Nicola Coughlan
We may remember Mandela as a dignified elderly man who spent 27 years imprisoned by the apartheid regime in South Africa. After he was released, he negotiated an end to racial segregation in his country and became its first black president. But Mandela's political career began decades before, when he was a young student. In the summer of 1952, Bergalia Bam was 19 years old. Like all black people in South Africa, she lived under the restrictions of apartheid.
Bergalia Bam
And I remember the evening prayer as I was preparing to go to school, a boarding school. My father says we will not see the freedom during our lifetime, but I pray to God that the generations to come and our children will see the freedom.
Nicola Coughlan
Four years earlier, the South African National Party brought in the apartheid system, meaning separateness. Apartheid enshrined racial segregation in law. It privileged those who were defined as white and instituted political and economic discrimination against those who were defined as Indian, Coloured, meaning multiracial or black. In the early 50s, the young African National Congress activist Nelson Mandela led the Defiance Campaign, protesting against these laws.
Bergalia Bam
I was part of a group that was supporting the Defiance Campaign. The Defiance Campaign was an action of defiance, absolutely the word to defy the laws of apartheid.
Nicola Coughlan
Under apartheid, schools were segregated along racial lines. Black students were given a much more limited syllabus than white students.
Bergalia Bam
We had many strikes. I was part of one of the many big strikes myself at that time. And that was the time that was the atmosphere of the young people.
Nicola Coughlan
Mandela's campaign focused on peaceful action.
Bergalia Bam
A station, train station. Instead of being on the side of the black people only, we were now going to stand also on the side of the white people. We were going to go to cafeterias where you couldn't go to buy something in a cafeteria. No. Now we're going to do that.
Nicola Coughlan
With the Defiance Campaign, Mandela inspired vast numbers of people and learned the sacrifices it took to be a freedom fighter. He described his own life as a long walk to freedom. His activism as a young man would put him on a path to being hailed as one of the greatest heroes in world history. Later in life, Bam worked closely with Mandela.
Bergalia Bam
And I often say to myself, mandela, he was the chosen one. He was not the only one. Clever and bold, as Mandela would say all the time, I'm no angel, you Know, he liked that I'm not an angel. I'm just any person. That the time had come for us as a people to have a liberator.
Nicola Coughlan
Holy Shasha. Mandela was born in 1918 in the countryside of the Eastern Cape. When he was eight, his primary school teacher gave him an English name, Nelson.
Host 1
His father was a minor aristocrat in the Tembu aristocracy.
Nicola Coughlan
Yet his was not a luxurious life.
Host 1
There was no electricity, there was no running water. He lived in a hut with no furniture. None of his older brothers or sisters had been to school or were literate.
Nicola Coughlan
When Mandela was 12, his father died of lung disease.
Host 1
His mother shipped him off to a place he'd never been before, to people he'd never met before. And it was to the king of the Tembu. As a foster child, essentially.
Nicola Coughlan
From now, his guardian would be Jongintaba Dalanjebo, regent of the Tembu Kingdom. Mandela would live in the great place, a compound of traditional huts and western houses. After he moved there, he rarely saw his mother.
Host 1
He remembers thinking that everybody around was better than him, that he was out of place, that he didn't belong there. He wet his bed at the age of 12. It was really a terrible transition, but in a way a really important one, because as an outsider to the aristocracy, he learned to play the aristocrat as something that you learn and will and perform.
Nicola Coughlan
Mandela lived in the shadow of the Boulder boys.
Host 1
He was in a way, a very innocent, very naive boy, very respectful of the adult world, not really a rebel.
Nicola Coughlan
White settlement in South Africa began in the 17th century. The first settlers were Dutch. Later the British arrived.
Host 1
It was the discovery of diamonds in 1867 and then gold in 1886, which suddenly made South Africa enormously wealthy and prosperous. The capital that built the gold mines was mainly British capital. And the great fault line in South African politics was between English speaking and Afrikaans, Afrikaans being the nation that grew out of the Dutch settlers.
Nicola Coughlan
In his late teens, Mandela was sent to an all black boarding school. The school aimed to turn out what Mandela himself described as black Englishmen through the enforcement of Victorian values. Students were put on a diet of bread, maize, starch and water. Mandela credited this with developing his self discipline and with teaching him to eat whatever was put in front of him. Two years later, he enrolled at Fort Hare, a small prestigious university for black Africans. He arrived full of hope, a strikingly handsome 21 year old wearing a wristwatch and a fresh pinstriped suit.
Host 1
What he was going to become was a court interpreter, and that may sound Quite humble to us. But in that world, it was very high. To be a court interpreter was to, you know, be fluent both in English and in Xhosa, and to be the interface between white power and black people, it was a very elevated role. To be a young black man and to turn up at university at all, put you in the very, very top echelons of the black elite. By his own recollections, he wasn't particularly political there. You know, the Second World War began while he was at Fort Hare, and he was very much on the British side. And when one of his fellow students said, well, I hope the British lose the war because if they lose the war, they may also lose their empire, he absolutely shocked to his core. He didn't believe that such a thought was possible.
Nicola Coughlan
During his second year at Fort Hare, a student protest broke out over the quality of the food and the treatment of a canteen worker.
Host 1
And he happened to be elected to the students representative council. And the council had to decide whether to resign in protest over the food. And the rest of the council all capitulated.
Nicola Coughlan
Mandela disagreed with the council. He backed the protesters. For that, he was suspended.
Host 1
He was young. He didn't really know what he was getting into. And suddenly he'd been expelled from this wonderful elite institution. He was confused. He wasn't quite sure what to do next. And in fact, he almost certainly would have simply gone back to university the next year and apologized and would have been readmitted if something else hadn't happened.
Nicola Coughlan
Mandela arrived back home to find his guardian, Jangantaba, furious with him.
Host 1
But he'd also arranged a marriage for Mandela and for his own son, who. Who was a close friend and cousin of Mandela's.
Nicola Coughlan
Neither Mandela nor Jantaba's son, justice, wanted this. Together, they hatched a plan to run away.
Host 1
They secretly sold several head of Mandela's guardian's cattle and used that money to flee and to go to Johannesburg.
Nicola Coughlan
This wasn't easy. Black men had to carry passes, and a journey like this required authorization from the district chief magistrate. Mandela asked the magistrate to sign his pass.
Host 1
And the magistrate got on the phone to the king. And the king absolutely lost his temper, said, these boys are trying to escape from me. They've stolen my cattle. You must immediately arrest them. And when the magistrate put down the phone, Mandela, who'd I think done one or two law classes, said, well, hold on. You can't arrest us because the king has lost his temper. We haven't broken a law.
Nicola Coughlan
That was a clip from history's youngest heroes subscribe to the full series on BBC Sounds.
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Miranda
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Miranda
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Podcast Summary: "Introducing History's Youngest Heroes"
You're Dead to Me – BBC Radio 4
Release Date: December 16, 2024
In the inaugural episode of You're Dead to Me, titled "Introducing History's Youngest Heroes," host Greg Jenner delves into the remarkable stories of young individuals who played pivotal roles in historical movements. This episode particularly focuses on South Africa's struggle against apartheid, highlighting the youthful activism that fueled significant change. Nicola Coughlan serves as the narrator, guiding listeners through personal anecdotes and expert insights.
Nicola Coughlan sets the stage by explaining the systemic racial segregation enforced by the apartheid regime in South Africa. Introduced by the National Party in the early 1950s, apartheid legally enforced separateness, privileging white citizens while oppressing Indian, Coloured (multiracial), and black populations. This oppressive system catalyzed widespread resistance and activism among the youth.
The episode delves into the early years of Nelson Mandela, a central figure in the anti-apartheid movement. Born in 1918 in the Eastern Cape, Mandela's upbringing was marked by hardship and cultural displacement. At twelve, he was sent to live with Jongintaba Dalanjebo, the regent of the Tembu Kingdom, after his father's death, leading to feelings of isolation and insecurity.
Notable Quote:
"He was in a way, a very innocent, very naive boy, very respectful of the adult world, not really a rebel." – Host 1 [06:25]
Mandela's educational journey began at an all-black boarding school designed to produce "black Englishmen" by instilling Victorian values. Despite the harsh conditions, Mandela credits this period with developing his self-discipline. His time at Fort Hare University further shaped his political consciousness, where he became involved in student governance and activism.
Notable Quote:
"I backed the protesters. For that, he was suspended." – Bergalia Bam [10:13]
Bergalia Bam emerges as a key young activist during this era. At nineteen, she vividly recalls the atmosphere of resistance that pervaded South African youth during the Defiance Campaign.
Notable Quote:
"A station, train station. Instead of being on the side of the black people only, we were now going to stand also on the side of the white people." – Bergalia Bam [05:11]
Bam's involvement in supporting the Defiance Campaign exemplifies the bravery and strategic thinking of young activists. Her efforts, alongside Mandela's, underscored a commitment to peaceful protest and systemic change.
Notable Quote:
"And I often say to myself, Mandela, he was the chosen one. He was not the only one. Clever and bold, as Mandela would say all the time, I'm no angel, you know, he liked that I'm not an angel." – Bergalia Bam [05:56]
Nelson Mandela spearheaded the Defiance Campaign, advocating for non-violent resistance against apartheid laws. This movement galvanized mass participation, particularly among the youth, demonstrating the significant role that young people played in challenging oppressive systems.
Notable Quote:
"Mandela inspired vast numbers of people and learned the sacrifices it took to be a freedom fighter." – Nicola Coughlan [05:07]
The campaign's success was a testament to the strategic and disciplined approach adopted by Mandela and his peers, emphasizing peaceful protest and civil disobedience as effective tools for social change.
The episode doesn't shy away from the personal costs of activism. Mandela's suspension from Fort Hare and subsequent expulsion highlight the tangible repercussions faced by young activists. Similarly, Bam's defiance against arranged marriages and her bold escape to Johannesburg underscore the lengths to which these young heroes went to pursue freedom and justice.
Notable Quote:
"You can't arrest us because the king has lost his temper. We haven't broken a law." – Nelson Mandela [11:19]
This defiance not only showcased their courage but also their profound understanding of justice and legal frameworks, further solidifying their roles as leaders in the anti-apartheid movement.
"Introducing History's Youngest Heroes" encapsulates the essence of youthful rebellion and its indispensable role in dismantling apartheid. Through personal narratives and historical analysis, the episode celebrates the indomitable spirit of young South Africans like Nelson Mandela and Bergalia Bam. Their stories serve as enduring inspirations, illustrating how youthful courage and resilience can drive monumental societal change.
Notable Quote:
"Mandela was born in 1918... his activism as a young man would put him on a path to being hailed as one of the greatest heroes in world history." – Nicola Coughlan [05:32]
Youth as Catalysts for Change: Young activists like Mandela and Bam were instrumental in challenging and ultimately dismantling apartheid.
Peaceful Protest: The Defiance Campaign's emphasis on non-violent resistance proved effective in mobilizing mass support and garnering international attention.
Personal Sacrifices: Activism often came at great personal cost, including suspension from educational institutions and threats to personal safety.
Legacy and Inspiration: The stories of these young heroes continue to inspire contemporary movements for justice and equality worldwide.
You're Dead to Me successfully intertwines humor with serious historical discourse, making complex historical movements accessible and engaging. "Introducing History's Youngest Heroes" not only educates but also celebrates the unwavering spirit of youth in the fight for freedom and equality.