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Podcast Host (Zoe)
Hello and welcome to Zoe Recap, where each week we find the best bits from one of our podcast episodes to help you improve your health. Today we're talking about strength. Building muscle doesn't have to mean lifting heavy weights in a fancy gym. In fact, you can do it from the comfort of your own living room. No expensive memberships, no extra long workouts, no excuses to prevent. I asked human performance expert professor Andy Galpin to design an at home strength session for someone who's never lifted a weight before. It's quick, cheap, and a surefire way to add years to your health span. If you're new to strength training, this episode is the perfect place to start.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
I'd like to paint a picture that this is my sister that we're helping to guide. And my sister has got into running recently. So she's, you know, got, you know, a lot more serious about her exercise, but she's not doing any weight. She's never done any weight. She's never done weights from the day she was born, as far I'm aware, until today. And so it's like, it's really alien. And I'm hoping she's going to listen to this and be like, you know, Andy, not only were you really convincing, but now you're going to paint, you know, me, this picture of how it's something that I can do. And by the way, you know, she's like working full time and she has young kids. She definitely doesn't have the time. If I say, you got to go to this gym, which is quite a long way from her house, like, that's probably not going to happen. What should she be doing?
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
All right, my first question is, and this is exactly how I program and coach, by the way, how many days a week do I have?
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
I think she'd say, well, how many do I really need to like?
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
It's not the question.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
Real benefit.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
No, it's not. Not the question. Question is, how many do you have?
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
Oh, how many?
Podcast Host (Zoe)
Good.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
Two.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Two. Great. I want to know the restriction.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
Okay?
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
I'm not going to force you in a situation that's going to fail. Coaching mistake 101. Trying to put them into the perfect program, not the program that's right for them right now. I'm not going to do that. If you say the answer was one, I'm going to go on one and I'm going to get success with one. And then you're going to buy in and I'm going to go, let me get you to two. You think that was Good watch. What can happen if I get you to two days a week? If I'm being honest, most of the time, whatever they number they tell me, I take one off. They say four, I go three. I know this, right? We've been on this road many times. So she says, okay, I can do two days a week. That's a believable number. I'm going to hold you that two days a week for someone like your sister. And again, I have young children. I have a wife. Like, I have many company. I know this story. Okay. We coach to plenty of women. We coach lots of women and moms and CEOs, no problem. Two I can hold you to. If you're not getting two days a weekend. You've already came in, you've done this. I can say if we're not getting two a week, I feel good coaching you. Hard to get me two. Okay, if you said five and we got four, I'm. I can't really argue with you that much there. We got two. Moving on to the next one. How much time do I have per day?
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
30 to 45 minutes.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Okay, I'm gonna go 35.
Podcast Host (Zoe)
Okay.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Are you doing any other physical training?
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
I'm going running a couple of times a week.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Ah, okay. This is even easier. We can do it to 30 minutes now. Any major injuries we should know about?
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
No.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
All right. Any exercises that you absolutely hate? Any types of training, Any things that when you go into the gym, when you think about exercising, you do not like?
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
I have never gone into the gym and used any weight of any sort.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Cool. So fair to assume that you feel uncomfortable with the exercises, knowing what to do on every exercise. Probably don't want to do complicated exercises. You don't feel a lot of confidence in lifting weights.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
Correct.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Okay.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
The main weight that I've lifted is like my children, as they got bigger and bigger and bigger until it's ridiculous how big they are that I'm. Now. Now her brother is answering this question.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is Milo, right? Walk the bull up the hill every day and a little bit stronger. Progressive overload. That's the original story of one of the most fundamental concepts in our field of progressive overload. Nonetheless, last question for you. What do we got equipment wise in space?
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
I haven't got anything, and I'm happy to buy some stuff if you tell me what I should have.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Budget.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
Hundred dollars.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Okay, great. $100. We're going to get a couple of kettlebells. If you can get four kettlebells, I don't Know if we can do that for 100 bucks, but we'll try. I want two kettlebells that are, I want to say, five kilos, and then I want two that are 20 kilos.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
So two, five kilos and two that are 20 kilos?
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Yeah, something like that. And then I might save out, actually 10 bucks for some resistance bands, something like that. I don't know if you can actually pull that off anymore, but we'll work with that in that neighborhood. Okay, great. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to focus on compound movements. We're going to do whole body. We're not doing body part splits. There goes back the old idea of bodybuilding, right, where it's like arms Monday, legs Tuesday, biceps Thursday. We're not doing that stuff. We're doing full body movements and full body workouts, right. Which means we're going to get as many body parts working every day, but we're going to get as many of those done in every single exercise that we can. We're going to do a combination of high efficiency, high effective, but pretty simple exercises, right? Because you don't have a lot of experience and we have some trepidation there. And we're going to start pretty slow and easy so that we don't get insane amounts of soreness. There's actually very little relationship between how sore you get and how effective the workout is.
Podcast Host (Zoe)
Is that right?
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
I have always felt, like, particularly pleased with myself when, like, two days later I'm really sore. I figured that I really did work hard to do something really valuable, and that was like, well, this. And you're telling me now that's not true.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
You're pretty pleased in that moment about yourself, but it's not necessarily how you feel. The next day doesn't predict how healthy something was for you. So there's very little association there. Now, there's a point when, if you don't do anything that actually challenges your body, we're not going to get that many adaptations. But I don't care about that right now, okay.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
It's not like you should be feeling really quite like with that sort of muscle soreness the next day. And if you haven't done that, you haven't.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
I would say anything more than 2 or 3 out of 10 on a scale of soar would be too much. So she wakes up the next morning and goes, yeah, I'm a little tight. I feel it a little bit. We won. If she wakes up anything more than that, I'm probably Going to back off. Here's why. It's not that I'm concerned that if she wakes up at a 4 or 5 out of 10 that we tore a muscle or we overtrained her, that would not be happening. But I'm very concerned with somebody who doesn't have a passion for this thing yet that we go, oh my God, I got to go train again. And we so sore. And last time that I had to pick the kid up and all that, my shoulder hurt, I slept weird because my back. I want wins, wins, wins, wins, wins. Right. I wanted to work and I wanted to feel positive about when I worked hard. It sucked a little bit, but actually felt pretty good afterwards. And I don't have to feel smoked in the workout. Another thing that you'll see in probably the last 10 years is it's very clear the evidence, ongoing to maximum failure. What that means is if we're doing, you know, push ups or pull ups and you take it all the way up to the last possible rep, if you would have stopped one or two reps earlier, you would have gotten probably the same amount of muscle growth. And there's a lot of research on that. It's called repetitions in reserve. How many did you leave in the tank? 1 to 2 in the tank is, is absolutely actually going to have the same amount of muscle growth caveat there. Most people don't really know what true failure is. So that one to two is probably a lot harder than most people think. It's not like I kind of felt a little burned. Then I stopped. Like, no, that's, that's, that's like six or seven reps left. Probably too short there, but I'll take that for your sister. I would take, I would rather her stop five or six reps early than too late or then one late for this point. Right. We just want wins. We want positive associations. We have to train her hard enough to where she sees results. But if you're going to ask me, like, shed a little bit on, I'm going to that side. Habits, habits, habits, habits, habits. Right. Get past that initial fatigue. So we're going to pick a couple of exercises. We're probably going to do an active body weight movement initially without the kettlebells just to get her going. And I'm probably going to pick lower body exercise. I don't know your sister, but on aggregate, women like to train their legs and their glutes and they like feeling that stuff. They don't have as much interest always in upper body pushups and Things like that. Again, not every person's this way, but men sometimes are the opposite. They kind of like to start with bench press and like, things like that. So I'm going to pick exercises she's probably more familiar with. We would probably wrap a band around her knees and do something like lateral walks. You're just going to kind of walk sideways, if you will, monster walks or things like that where it's easy. You'll feel a little bit of a burn. And we're getting a lot of your core, actually a little bit, and a lot of your leg muscles going right. So you can kind of move up and back. You can literally just walk with them, walk sideways, all kinds of staggered walking. We would pick one or two exercises like that.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
And Andy, I think a lot of people listening might be surprised that you're saying that you're using a band. So that's not a weight and that that is strength training.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Well, not to get us way off topic here, but what is strength training? What is resistance exercise? I don't know that I can define them either. Right. It's like, okay, does it have to be a weight? No pull ups. Pull ups are strength training and they don't involve any weight whatsoever besides your body weight and gravity. Well, so is a body weight squat then? So if I had a band that's more resistance than your body, how's that not strength training?
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
So the band itself can act sort of like a weight because it's making it harder. And it will have that benefit that you're describing.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
So is your body. We could do this entire thing. If you gave me a scenario and said, budget is zero, we can't buy any equipment. I could have done this whole thing with just body weight. Now, we would be limited eventually, but for someone like this, we could absolutely start body weight only if we wanted. So anything could be used here. There's the old stories of people using milk jugs and filling them with water, which are super effective. Right. We could get household implements and items. Lots of ways we can do this. Those are not the details that should be overly concerning. For someone like your sister. We can get a lot of work done with her with just these minimal equipment or none at all.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
I think I'm just thinking that like a band already feels less intimidating than using a. Like a weight because that somehow already seems less outside maybe of what you've done before.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Yeah, you can do some serious resistance training with the proper type of bands. So kind of going back to the direct example, I'd probably pick an exercise like that, then I might pick an exercise that is more like lower body. But a back squat may be difficult because I don't know what her technique and movement is. So I might pick something like a step up and I might do something like a counterbalanced one. So you imagine she's stepping up onto a stool or a bench or anything. She wants something ideally like 12 to 18 inches. Again, sorry about using the American units here.
Brother of the Sister (Interviewer)
I know. I think we've got people all over the world, so we'll just do a mix. 12 to 18 inches. So that's like 30 to 40 centimeters, depending on which country you're in as you're listening to this.
Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
And she's going to, let's say when she's stepping up on her left leg, she'll have the kettlebell and we'll probably use the lighter one on this particular case, in her right hand. So her left foot is on the bench stepping up, her right hand is holding it. What that's going to do is her left leg, her left quad, hamstrings and glute are going to be working. Her core is also going to be working so that she doesn't rotate left to right. It's also going to stop her from folding, bending side to side, because remember that right dumb or kettlebell is in her right hand. It's going to be pulling her to bend to the right side, but she's going to be keeping her posture neutral. Her shoulders remain perfectly in line with each other like a. Like I could hang a painting on her shoulders so they don't tilt. So her core is actually going to be doing most of the work. So she has rotate nor tilt. Why her left leg produces force. We have now transferred force from her right shoulder through her right hand to her left hip to her left toe. This is going to really help connective tissue. This helps transfer force. This keeps you balanced. This gets you range of motion. And a lot of muscles got moved there with a very simple exercise. As long as your knee is staying remotely over top of your toe. By that I mean it can go way in front of your toe, but you just don't want your left knee coming way inside towards your midline so that it is, you know, 20 centimeters to be really exaggerating here inside of your left foot, right? It should be up and down. It can go forward in front of it or behind it. There's different options there. Both are acceptable, but generally you don't want them coming way inside of there. So we pick an exercise like that. And we probably are going to be doing something like, I don't know, let's say two sets of eight per leg. So eight repetitions on the left leg, switch, the dumbbell switch, the foot, eight repetitions. We call that one set. What I'd probably do, based on her time, is use a technique called super setting. So you're going to do two or even three exercises in a row so that you don't have when you're resting, say, your legs. Her upper body is moving. So we did our banded walks, and then we're going to go ahead and go into these step ups, and she finishes one set. So eight repetitions one side, eight repetitions the other side. And then while she's kind of resting from that, we might go into something like an overhead press. Same exact implement. And in fact, what I would do here is I'm doing this real time here. So what you're hearing me is I'm literally thinking through something like this. I would let her stay in the same position. She already has her, let's say, left foot on the bench, right? So she's in a staggered stance like that. And now she'll keep that dumbbell in her right hand, and she'll press that right hand directly over her head. What that does is it allows her to press her shoulder. Her triceps are going to get going a little bit, and she's going to get working with some pressing. But it keeps her low back in a friendly position because that left foot is elevated. A lot of times when people press overhead, they tend to arch their back really hard. This can put some undue or unnecessary strain in the low back. You have to really work hard to keep your ribs down. So don't let the space between your ribs and your hips open way up. That would mean your low back is. Is contracting kind of backwards. By putting her left foot on the bench, it rotates her hips backwards, and it keeps her low back in that neutral position, more likely. So probably eight repetitions of the step up, eight repetitions of the overhead press, and then switch sides, rotate through that whole thing probably twice. And now you're off cooking in a pretty good position. You're probably now easily under 10 minutes into our workout, and we've gotten a lot of stuff done. Core's been touched a couple of times. Legs have been touched a couple of times. We got one movement for our upper body, then I'd go into another set.
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Guest: Professor Andy Galpin (Human Performance Expert)
Host: Jonathan Wolf / ZOE team
Date: March 3, 2026
This recap episode focuses on how anyone—including complete beginners—can start building strength at home affordably and efficiently. Professor Andy Galpin, an expert in human performance, demystifies at-home strength training and offers practical strategies tailored for busy people, especially those new to weights. Through a relatable example—a working mom and running enthusiast with little time and no equipment—Galpin constructs a realistic and effective routine, laying out what’s truly needed to get started, and busting common myths about soreness and equipment.
Start with What’s Realistic:
Andy emphasizes that the most important factor is how much time and how many days you can actually commit, not what's "ideal."
"How many days a week do I have?... The question is, how many do you have?"
— Andy Galpin, [01:28]
He encourages honesty to avoid overcommitting:
"Most of the time, whatever number they tell me, I take one off. They say four, I go three. I know this, right? We've been on this road many times."
— Andy Galpin, [01:45]
Example: For the working mom, two sessions per week is both realistic and effective for a beginner.
Low Barrier for Entry:
"If you said five and we got four, I'm—I can't really argue with you that much there. We got two. Moving on to the next one."
— Andy Galpin, [01:45]
Time Efficiency:
If you have about $100, Galpin recommends:
If the budget is $0? Bodyweight and household items can work.
"We could do this entire thing...with just body weight. Now, we would be limited eventually, but for someone like this, we could absolutely start body weight only if we wanted."
— Andy Galpin, [09:41]
Whole Body Focus, Not Bodybuilding Splits:
"There goes back the old idea of bodybuilding... We're doing full body movements and full body workouts... high efficiency, high effective, but pretty simple exercises."
— Andy Galpin, [04:22]
Keep It Simple and Start Easy:
Tip:
"There's actually very little relationship between how sore you get and how effective the workout is."
— Andy Galpin, [05:23]
"If she wakes up the next morning and goes, yeah, I'm a little tight. I feel it a little bit. We won."
— Andy Galpin, [06:02]
"I want wins, wins, wins, wins, wins."
— Andy Galpin, [06:43]
Intensity Guidelines:
"Ongoing to maximum failure...if you would have stopped one or two reps earlier, you would have gotten probably the same amount of muscle growth...Most people don't really know what true failure is...but I'll take that for your sister."
— Andy Galpin, [07:20]
Sample Routine:
"Use a technique called super setting...while she's kind of resting from that, we might go into something like an overhead press."
— Andy Galpin, [12:35]
Technique Note for Step-Ups:
Core & Posture:
Holding the kettlebell in the opposite hand during step-ups activates the core and creates an “anti-rotation” effect for stability.
"Her core is also going to be working so that she doesn't rotate left to right...Her shoulders remain perfectly in line with each other...Her core is actually going to be doing most of the work."
— Andy Galpin, [11:12]
Anything that makes the movement harder is 'resistance':
"Well, not to get us way off topic here, but what is strength training? What is resistance exercise?...Does it have to be a weight? No. Pull-ups are strength training and they don't involve any weight whatsoever besides your body weight and gravity."
— Andy Galpin, [09:10]
Bands and bodyweight can be less intimidating for beginners.
"Habits, habits, habits, habits, habits. Right. Get past that initial fatigue...I would rather her stop five or six reps early than too late...We just want wins. We want positive associations."
— Andy Galpin, [07:53]
Setting Expectations as a Coach:
"Coaching mistake 101. Trying to put them into the perfect program, not the program that's right for them right now."
— Andy Galpin, [01:45]
On Soreness:
"There's actually very little relationship between how sore you get and how effective the workout is."
— Andy Galpin, [05:23]
On Using Whatever You Have:
"There's the old stories of people using milk jugs and filling them with water, which are super effective...Those are not the details that should be overly concerning."
— Andy Galpin, [09:41]
On Building a Positive Relationship with Strength Training:
"I want wins, wins, wins, wins, wins. Right. I wanted to work and I wanted to feel positive about when I worked hard...It sucked a little bit, but actually felt pretty good afterwards."
— Andy Galpin, [06:43]
On Strength Training with Resistance Bands:
"You can do some serious resistance training with the proper type of bands."
— Andy Galpin, [10:28]
Listen to the full episode for a step-by-step audio walkthrough and more practical tips!