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Always Be Testing
Hosted by Tye DeGrange · EN
Always Be Testing explores the experiments, insights, and growth stories shaping the future of affiliate and partner marketing in B2B SaaS. Hosted by industry veterans, the show dives deep into real-world lessons from the people driving measurable impact at companies like Google, HubSpot, Ramp, Webflow, G2, and beyond.
Each episode uncovers what happens when today's most innovative marketers challenge assumptions, run smarter experiments, and build programs that scale revenue through meaningful partnerships. If you’re in affiliate, partnerships, or SaaS growth — this is your front-row seat to how the best do it (and what they’ve learned along the way
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#128: Why Partner Quality Beats Partner Count | Darryl Yearwood & Tye DeGrange
4d ago00:38:42Summary readyDarryl Yearwood, who leads partnerships at Apollo, makes the case that a smaller, higher-quality partner roster beats chasing volume every time. He and Tye get into what "not plug-and-play" really means in affiliate marketing and how to build partnerships that actually move revenue.
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EPS 127: From IDF Cyber Ops to B2B Marketing: Building GTM from Scratch | Avishag Daniely
2w ago00:37:31Summary readyAvishag Daniely built One Layer's entire marketing and partnerships function from scratch — coming from a background in IDF cyber intelligence. She shares how her military analytical training shaped her approach to B2B GTM, what it takes to build pipeline when no one's heard of your company yet, and why she treats every marketing decision like an intelligence problem.
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EPS 126: EMERGENCY POD: Affiliate Fraud Unpacked - The Phia Fiasco
2w ago00:36:41Summary readyAffiliate fraud investigator Ben Edelman joins Tye for an emergency episode breaking down the "Phia fiasco" that's rattling the affiliate marketing industry. Edelman, who's spent over 20 years catching affiliate fraud and has collaborated with Tye on forensic cases throughout his career, walks through what makes this case different from the usual stand-down violations that have hit shopping plugins like Honey and Microsoft Edge in the past.
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EP 125: Less Traffic, More Sales: Wyze's Counterintuitive Paid Media Playbook | Logan Dunn
4w ago00:40:56Summary readyLogan Dunn, Head of E-commerce at Wyze, ran 100 ads at once, cut traffic, and watched conversions go up. In this episode, he breaks down the counterintuitive paid media playbook behind Wyze's D2C growth — including why narrow targeting beats broad reach, how in-house creative unlocks faster iteration, and what most brands get wrong about scaling paid spend.
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SaaS Clas EP2: From Single Digits to 25% of Pipeline: The SaaS Partner Playbook | Nancy Harnett, Guy Yalif, and Tye DeGrange
Jun 2400:46:44Summary readyNancy Harnett (Instantly) and Guy Yalif (Webflow) break down exactly how SaaS companies can grow their partner programs from single-digit contributions to 25% of pipeline and revenue. They cover partner ICP alignment, building a best-in-class partner experience, and why most programs stall before they ever scale.
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#124 Why Authentic Content Beats the Algorithm | Yoray Halevy
Jun 1600:28:07Summary readyYoray Halevy joins Tye DeGrange to dig into why brands can't rely on Vogue-style coverage to build credibility — and what they should be doing instead. Yoray shares how his company creates authentic content that speaks to specific audiences, why last-click attribution misses the full picture, and how a paid media distribution mindset unlocks the true value of content. They also explore how AI is changing the content-to-distribution relationship, and why experimentation is the key to knowing what actually works.
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CTV Measurement Unpacked: Incrementality, Attribution & Holdout Testing | Tom Rathbone
May 1900:37:58Summary readyTom Rathbone joins Tye DeGrange to break down the real challenges of measuring CTV — from probabilistic Nielsen-era methods to where the industry stands today. Tom shares how TVScientific approaches measurement, why holdout testing is still underutilized by most brands, and how to build a test media plan that actually generates signal. Plus: why single-touch attribution fails in a multi-channel world and what it takes to move from vanity metrics to a long-term growth strategy.
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Horse Lessons from Mom | Ginger DeGrange
May 1200:39:01Summary readyFor Mother's Day, Tye DeGrange hands the mic to his mom — Ginger DeGrange. Rodeo queen. Horse trainer. Summer camp founder. 36-year instructor who's taught 10,000+ students the art of horsemanship at Santa Rosa Junior College. This one's full of great stories: the OJ Simpson trail ride, a student who went on to dine with the Queen of England, competing at the Grand National, and the old reinsman who taught Ginger that quiet confidence beats loud energy every time. Plus real lessons on building confidence, earning trust, and leading with feel — on and off the horse.
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#121 Zero Platform: 10 Great Partners Beat 100 — The Future of Local Marketing | Adam Dewer, Soci.ai
Apr 2900:28:48Summary readyAdam Dewer leads partnerships at Soci.ai — an AI-powered platform helping 800+ multi-location brands manage their local presence across social, listings, and reviews.In this episode, Tye and Adam get into the "zero platform" future of local marketing, where AI agents replace dashboards entirely — handling updates, review responses, and social posts through a simple SMS conversation with the business owner. They also dig into Adam's approach to building and measuring partnerships (he tracks just two numbers: net new revenue and expansion revenue) and why he'd take 10 incredible partners over 100 mediocre ones any day.What you'll learn:• Why "automagically" is the most dangerous word in AI marketing• How to identify your AI strength areas before trying to scale• Why agency partners are Adam's #1 channel play right now• The early signals that tell you a partner is going to scale• How to tee up a partner for success without making it transactional• What the "zero platform" future looks like for a local business ownerConnect with Adam: linkedin.com/in/adamdewer | soci.ai
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SaaS Class EP 1: AEO is the New SEO — How HubSpot & Webflow Are Winning AI-First Discovery | Nancy Harnett & Guy Yalif
Apr 2100:34:37Summary readyThe first episode of SaaS Class tackles one of the most pressing questions in B2B marketing: how do you win when your buyers are finding answers on ChatGPT and Perplexity instead of Google?Tye sits down with Nancy Harnett (Head of Affiliate & Offsite AEO at HubSpot) and Guy Yalif (Webflow, formerly CEO of Intellimize) to break down what's actually working in the race to become the most visible brand in AI search. Nancy reveals how HubSpot generated 200K+ AI citations in 6 months and became the #1 most visible CRM across AI search. Guy shares how Webflow appears in 67% of the AI answers they care about — more than any other CMS including WordPress.What you'll learn:Why AEO is a natural evolution of great SEO, not a replacementThe 4 pillars of AEO: Content, Technical, Authority & MeasurementWhy affiliate marketing is now the "new backlinks" — driving top and bottom-funnel AI impactHow HubSpot used Reddit to go from ~100 to 146K AI citations in 7 monthsContent depth and localization: what actually moves the needleHow to build a closed-loop measurement system to iterate fast
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