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Ben
Elite shadow governments, new world orders, inner circles, and rings of bad actors? Is our country? Is the west at large overrun by a band of demoniacs intent on destroying our homes and families? For many years, anyone who asked the question was written off as a conspiracy theorist without any credibility. But what about now? What about after the things we've seen? What about the Podesta emails? What about Pizzagate? What about the Epstein files? What about Join us in this episode of Haunted Cosmos as we dig into these topics and try to discern what the proper response to them should be. Now, to be clear, this episode deals with content that will be extremely disturbing. Listener discretion is strongly advised, and children should absolutely not listen Salisbury, NC December 4, 2016Aman knelt to hug his two children. They each kissed him on the cheek before running off to continue their play. He watched them go with the look of melancholy on his face. Outside was dreary. The early December sky hung low and charcoal gray. There was a constant shower of icy rain. The man, whose name was Edgar Welch, jogged to his truck. He threw his bags into the back seat before climbing into the front and turning the engine over. For a second he just stared at the windshield, counting the beads of water collecting on it and wondering one final time if this was really what he wanted to do. Then the images filled his mind again. He clenched his jaw and peeled out of the driveway. The trip took five and a half hours, and in that time the rain stopped, but the mood of the day stayed the same as welch entered Washington, D.C. the clouds were still there and the pavement was still damp. He parked his truck on Nebraska Avenue Northwest, and from there he could just see the restaurant sign behind a tree. It was, he thought, now or never. Comet Ping Pong was less than a hundred yards away. All of its malcontents were ready for his justice, all of its victims ready for his salvation. Welch opened the back door and tucked the Colt.45 into his pants. At the small of his back, he shouldered the ar, opting to leave the shotgun in the truck. He figured it was too cumbersome. It was 3pm when he walked across the street and entered Comet Ping Pong with his weapon at low ready. His manner of entry was nonchalant, but the few patrons there recognized the threat right away. Still, no one panicked. Welch didn't shout or really say anything at all, and so staff worked to usher children and adults outside and down the street to safety. In this time, someone called 911. Back inside, Welch just paced around. He walked through the dining room before going into the empty kitchen. Behind the counter, he found a closet door and tried to open it, but it was locked and he figured that must be important. So he raised his firearm and fired four times through the door in an apparent attempt to bust it down. But when that didn't work, he just laid his rifle down, set his handgun next to it, exited the building and peacefully surrendered to the police who had just arrived on the scene. The whole ordeal saw Welch accomplish apparently nothing but the ruination of his own life. But is that the truth? For you see, behind that locked door was a desk, a monitor and a computer. All four of Welch's rounds penetrated the computer tower, rendering the hard drive useless, its contents unrecoverable. Thus, we are told, the strange events known as Pizzagate concluded with Edgar Welch finding no evidence of anything nefarious happening at the now infamous Comet Ping Pong in Washington dc. But there are some who say that this is not the whole story. Indeed, some say the story is actually still unfolding today. And for you to judge properly for yourself, you need more information. For starters, you need to know why Welch or anybody would think to shoot up a low key restaurant in Washington dc. What was or what is Pizzagate? John Podesta was born in Chicago in January of 1949. He lived in the city with his brother Tony and their parents until his high school graduation in 67. After that, his judicial and political career began in earnest. In 1970, the impressionable college age, Podesta worked as an aide for Joseph Duffy, who was running for a Senate seat in the state of Connecticut. He grew close to another aide on the job, a young man a few years his senior named Bill Clinton. That connection would later prove to be critical to Podesta's own career. A year after his work in Connecticut, he graduated from Knox College and went on to law school at Georgetown University. But not before further establishing his presence in the political sphere. Specifically, he spent that summer as a volunteer for the then Democratic presidential hopeful Eugene McCarthy. McCarthy lost, but Podesta walked away with his head held high, having made more valuable political connections. He graduated from law school five years later, in 75. After graduation. Again pedestrian, Podesta was careful to make sure that every role he filled led him to the federal government. As such, all of his colleagues knew that he aimed to eventually get as close to Capitol Hill as possible. In his very early years of law practice, he even took on a bunch of part time work, volunteered or paid with any Democratic presidential or Senate campaign that would have him. And this eventually coalesced into his first official position on the Hill in 1979 as counsel on the majority staff of the Senate Judiciary Committee. After that foot in the door, Podesta just kept climbing the ladder of appointments, starting a lobbying firm for the DNC with his brother along the way until he finally reconnected with his old friend Bill Clinton. This was not a favor. Podesta certainly earned the job, but the bond that he and Clinton formed years prior certainly didn't hurt him in the the interview process. Thus, after a mountain of work and a lot of patience, John Podesta became a high ranking official on the White House staff and he would remain there until 2001 and then would return on and off from 2014 to 2025. For our story today, though, we care about a specific stint of his political tenure, the later months of 2016 when he served as a chief counselor and advisor for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign against Donald Trump. It started on October 7th of that year. Modesta woke up in the morning to discover that the Nonprofit media organization WikiLeaks was publishing thousands of emails from his personal Gmail inbox. The leak continued until, by early November, 56,000 previously private emails from the high ranking Clinton advisor were public for the entire world to see. The fallout was monumental. The campaign never officially confirmed the authenticity of the emails, but they also never denied them either. This surprised a number of people, even some within the dnc, because the public balked at a large percentage of the messages as uncouth. They talked openly about brutal campaign tactics. They betrayed a callous attitude towards issues publicly framed as important to Hillary Clinton and and they otherwise displayed a shrewd sentiment for office and nothing more. As a result, though they offered no denial, the entire team worked around the clock to do damage control. Everyone rightly saw this as an implicit admission of the email's provenance. But there was something else too. A group of users on the social networking and forum site known as 4chan believed they found something worse than shrewd political maneuver maneuvering. What they found, or claimed to find, was something downright sinister. They argued that a small subset of the correspondence, no more than a couple dozen messages, contained coded language linking Podesta, the Clintons and other global elites to one of the most heinous evils imaginable child sex abuse. Specifically, they pointed to messages that spoke strangely about pizza and other foods as so called proof. To give you sense for why anyone noticed this in the first place, here are some of the emails that raised the concern. The first, from Susan Sandler who's a donor to Clinton to John Podesta, the realtor found a handkerchief. I think it has a map that seems pizza related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. Happy to send it via mail if you will. Let me know where I should send it. And then from Herbert Sandler, CEO of Golden West Financial and donor to the Clinton campaign, Mary and John I immediately realized something was different by the shape of the box and I contemplated who would be sending me something in the square shaped box. Lo and behold, instead of pasta and wonderful sauces, it was a lovely, tempting assortment of cheese. Yummy. P.S. do you think I'll do better playing Domino's on cheese than on pasta? End quote From Todd Stern, another Clinton donor quote. The next three months are going to be rougher internally than in Beijing between 7th and 1600. No fun. Hope you're doing okay. I'm dreaming about your hot dog stand in Hawaii. End quote. So why do these emails raise red flags? Well, for starters, John Podesta never owned a hot dog stand in Hawaii and that fact makes the email odd to say the least. But more to the point, according to 4chan and Reddit users, the word pizza is sometimes used by online pedophiles as a code for their sexual degeneracy of choice to be granular. Cheese Pizza refers to child pornography, pizza and cheese alone refer to young girls, hot dog and pasta refer to young boys. Sauce refers to orgies. Or so that's what the online sleuths claim. Then there is the weird line about handkerchiefs and pizza maps. What is that all about? Well, it's apparently common practice for people attending an orgy to use something like a handkerchief worn on their person to serve as a map telling others their sexual preferences. In this case, the theorists claim that a pizza related map would be a handkerchief worn by John Podesta to non verbally communicate his pedophilic preferences to others at the pizza party. And those are just three of again, dozens of examples wherein the words pizza, pasta, sauces, etc. Are used in contexts that just seem a little bit out of the ordinary. But other emails, despite not mentioning pizza, still struck readers as weird. Here are just two examples. The first is from Tamara Lazarus Zotto, who was a prominent blogger. We plan to heat the pool, so swim is a possibility. Bonnie will be Uber service to transport Ruby Emerson and Maeve Lozado 11, nine and almost seven. So you'll have some further entertainment. And they will be in that pool for sure. End quote. Who is Tamaril Lazado. And why is she using such weird language about children's involvement at a party for D.C. elites? Well, to be honest, not much is known about Lazetto, and the little that is known doesn't look clear on the surface. For years, she ran a blog in the D.C. area called Evie's Crib. A brief glance at the home page would make one assume it was just the ramblings of a mother or grandmother talking about her granddaughter and nothing more. But anything beyond a cursory glance would probably raise eyebrows. For example, the website's header read, evelyn is growing up. Soon she will be the queen of the entire US Of A. Right now, for a limited time only, you can spend time with her online, raw and uncut. Take advantage of this now, as in the future, she will have the power of life and death over you. End quote. Okay, maybe this is an overconfident grandmother, but it's still weird. And that weirdness was amplified when people found a blog post with a picture of a baby, presumably Evelyn, wrapped in a towel after a bath. The picture was cute. The caption beneath it was less so. It said, unrated version of this photo available only to premium subscribers. Winky face. Again, maybe it's just a boomer woman's attempt at edgy humor, but it takes an awful lot of charity to believe that. Especially when one considers what is this low level blogger like Lozzotto doing talking to elites like John Podesta? And again, nobody knows. It looks too random to be random, if that makes sense. And online theorists were also concerned by the fact that Lozzotto's blog was shut down and wiped from the Internet right after the emails started leaking to the public. Weird. Finally, there was this email sent by Marina Abramovich to John's brother Tony Podesta. It was later forwarded to John. Dear Tony, I'm so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you'll be able to let me know if your brother is joining? It might interest listeners to know that Marina Abramovic has been a performance artist for decades. She's been part of the in group of cutting edge modern art long enough to be friends with dozens of people in very high places. But her art constantly toes the line between innocent performance and overt occultism. This email only makes that line more blurry. The proof is in that phrase. Spirit Cooking. According to a quick Google search, Spirit Cooking was a 1996 art project, Abramovich, released in the form of a cookbook featuring aphrodisiac recipes, incantations and rituals that explored the connection between the body and the mind. The recipes required the use of bodily fluids such as blood, urine, breast milk and semen. In 1997, Abramovich completed the project by performing one of the recipes for a live audience at Studio Stefania Massetti. In a wide hall with concrete floors, Abramovich used pig blood to paint the recipe's lines on the walls. Phrases like mix fresh breast milk with fresh sperm milk, drink on earthquake nights and with a sharp knife, cut deeply into the middle finger of your left hand. Eat the pain. Finally, there was fresh morning urine. Sprinkle over nightmare dreams. After painting these and other weird phrases on the wall, she mixed some more blood, organs and viscera from the pig together and poured the solution over a toddler sized effigy propped in the room's corner. Not content with its coverage, she knelt down and painted more blood onto the figurine for the effigy in the opposite corner. She just threw a bucket of viscera at it. It was truly horrifying. But it was just performance art, right? However debauched it appeared on the surface, it was only meant to remain surface level, at least according to Abramovich at the time. And yet that public ceremony took place in 1997. Nearly 18 years later, she emailed world leaders about a private spirit cooking session she planned to host at her house. One can't help but wonder whether the line between art and demonic worship would blurred to the point of vanishing. And in fact, we don't have to wonder. Abramovich herself, in a Reddit ama, told her audience that when something like spirit cooking is performed for a live audience for the purpose of art, it's just art and nothing more. But when the context of the ceremony is private, it becomes occultic worship, because that's just what it is. By saying this before the emails were ever dropped, Abramovich and accidentally confirmed the demonic cultic worship habits of John and Tony Podesta. Who knows who else may have been there? But all that's been said thus far was only the foundation. The edifice of Pizzagate did not truly begin to take shape until the public found the correspondence between Podesta and a man named James Alefantis, the owner of a D.C. pizzeria called Comet Ping Pong. Though included in only about 10 emails, the rabbit hole opened by Elephantis was a Pandora's box of hard to ignore coincidences. Despite his meek front of owning Comet Ping Pong, Elephantis was nonetheless listed as one of the top 50 most powerful people in Washington, D.C. by GQ. His status was partly due to his sodomite relationship with David Brock, a C suite member of Media Matters, one of the leading media organizations to tied to the dnc. Both Brock and Elephantis were major supporters of the Clinton campaign, and this naturally caught the attention of online investigators. Why was Elephantis the powerful one? Why wasn't Brock listed as the top 50 most powerful? As people dug around, the online sleuths were disturbed by the unsettling nature of the pizzeria owner's Instagram page. Even though he was gay and had no children of his own and was not close friends with anyone who had children, his Instagram feed was filled with pictures of kids and dolls. This is troubling enough, but when coupled with the captions, it only gets worse. In one picture, a man holds a boy in his arms and the pair is wearing a necklace around both their necks. Innocent enough? Maybe it was just a customer and his son, but the caption says chickenlovers. Now, thanks to the horrifying documentary film Chicken hawk released in 1984, it's a well known fact that gay men who seek sexual relations with underaged boys refer to those boys as chickens. In another post featuring a lifelike German baby doll on sale for $1,200 in an antique shop, Alefontis captioned it way overpriced. Another user commented, contrary to James, what a bargain. If you assume malice. The innuendo is clear, but I get it, you have to assume malice. But even the account's profile picture was alarming. A bust of the Greek pubescent Antinous, the famous youth who was Roman Emperor Hadrian's favorite lover. Antinous was known, and still is known, as the Emperor's Greek boy lover. It's no accident that Elephantus chose him as his profile's face. So what was his reason? Mr. Elephantas is also an outspoken fan of Marina Abramovich, a personal acquaintance of John Podesta's brother Tony, and appears in some pictures online in close proximity to John Podesta himself as well. What benefit is there in such elites maintaining friendly ties with a man who appears totally unconcerned with his public image? Does or did he have some leverage over them? Perhaps. Maybe. But maybe not. Maybe it's all an unfortunate set of coincidences and miscommunications. At any rate, once Elephantis took center stage in the Pizzagate scandal, the whole debacle fell off the rails. What started as a genuine concern raised by the public about the kind of activities these D&C elites might be involved in turned into a false flag conspiracy theory. People, perhaps even government bots online, started to claim that Comet Ping Pong housed dozens or hundreds of sexually abused children in the basement, available to be exploited at will by DC elites. This was not Pizzagate, but the media turned this into Pizzagate, thus giving themselves a solid excuse to dismiss the whole thing as harebrained. By the time Welch entered the restaurant with his gun, the media knew that reasonable people would think he was just a crazy right wing conspiracy theorist. But the story can't end there. There are other pictures on Oliphantis Instagram that raise further questions. In one post depicting a smiling young girl whose wrists are taped down to one of the tables in Comet Ping Pong, someone commented, karisjames. That same hashtag, KarisJames C A R I S J A M E S appears in other questionable posts commented by James Elephantis or other users. For years, people wondered what it could mean. And then something happened that some believe answered the question. In 1998, a company named LSJ LLC purchased a private island in the Caribbean named Little St. James. LSJ LLC only had one member, Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein then owned the island from April 1998 until his death in August of 2019. The things that allegedly and also knowingly took place there have been the subject of heated debate and widespread disgust for almost 11 years. At 6:39am on August 10, 2019, the American financier was pronounced dead upon arrival at New York Downtown Hospital. Only nine minutes earlier, he'd been found unresponsive in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center. Officials ruled his death a suicide by hanging. In the wake of that event, the U.S. justice Department released millions of files detailing the clandestine and illicit life of Jeffrey Epstein. The story continues to develop to this very day. But what does it have to do with Pizzagate? Well, many things that we'll get into. But for starters, there is the hashtag I just mentioned, CharisJames. Some people wondered whether it might be an abbreviation for a place. The idea goes that car is short for Caribbean, that is is short for island, and that James is just simply James. In that reading, Karras James actually says Caribbean Island James or Little St. James, or more simply, Epstein's Island. And if we go back to the story we started with Edgar Welch and his attack on Comet Ping Pong, there's something that adds another coincidence into the mix that seems to give some credibility to the conspiratorial claims. It may be a stretch, but you be the judge. For you see, Welch was most emphatically not a normal guy. His life was pockmarked by oddity, tragedy and personal mistakes. He was primarily employed as an actor, but his career was rather dull. IMDb only lists him in a few small productions with insignificant roles. Still, though, he was an actor and that feels important to me. What's more, he was a criminal offender. Already years prior, he had struck and injured a 13 year old with his car and this earned him his first of a number of DWI charges. At the time of attack, he was waiting for trial and the prospects were not looking good. When he first learned about Pizzagate, he thought very little of it. But the idea, per the official narrative pushed by the media, consumed him until he felt that he was the only guy willing to do what was necessary to put a stop to the horror. Does this sound reasonable to you? Or do we think his circumstances make the scapegoat idea possible? After all, the only thing he did that day was destroy a computer hard drive. A hard drive that would, if the story had any validity at all, almost certainly contain evidence against the store's owner. Maybe Welch was given a choice. Serve his time for DWI and vehicular manslaughter or walk into a pizza shop with a gun, shoot up a computer through a door, and then serve a few years for breaking federal gun laws. Maybe this is grasping at straws. Unfortunately, we'll never know. For in the winter of 2025, just a few months after his release from prison, Edgar Welch was shot and killed by a police officer during a routine traffic stop. Another tragic mistake or the cutting off of a loose end? You be the judge. Could it be that James Elephantis, Comet, Ping Pong, the Clintons Podesta, and every bit of strangeness uncovered in the Pizzagate emails all link at the very bottom and to the hell on earth that was Jeffrey Epstein's island of Misery. Could it be that from the very beginning, Epstein and his elite friends were puppeteers trying to cover their wicked tracks? I guess we'll find out in this episode. How many demons, ghosts or vampires are lurking in your investment portfolio. If you're invested in the S&P 500, it's probably more than you think. Since it's full of companies that actively oppose your faith. Stonecrop Wealth Advisors is here to help Their faith based portfolios redirect your hard earned dollars away from destructive agendas and into companies making a positive impact on society. Get the demons out of your portfolio and invest in God's kingdom While you grow your wealth, Contact Stonecrop Wealth Advisors today by visiting StoneCropAdvisors.com Haunted Cosmos investment advisory services offered through StoneCrop Wealth Advisors, LLC, a registered investment advisor with the U.S. securities and Exchange Commission.
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Brian
Ben, have you heard of the Jake Muller Adventures?
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Ben
What's that?
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Brian
A Christian audio drama? Zombies, vampires, global conspiracies and faith at the center. I was up all night on the edge of my seat.
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Ben
Is it fully immersive sound effects and cast and everything?
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Brian
Yes, full cast cinematic sound. It's like you can hear the danger coming.
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Ben
Ooh. So kind of similar to Hana Cosmos, but. But no your mom jokes and more drama.
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Brian
No mom jokes yet, but yeah, tons of drama.
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Ben
So it's kind of like your mom then?
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Brian
Not quite. Check it out@jakemulleradventures.com haunted for 10% off. Does your outdated website give your visitors sleep paralysis?
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Ben
What? Is that a thing?
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Brian
Are you haunted by that logo your uncle's pet werewolf made?
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Ben
Brian, what are you talking about?
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Brian
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Ben
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Brian
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Ben
What the heck? How did you just appear?
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Brian
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Ben
Oh. Oh, this is an ad that we're doing right now. Wait, how did he teleport into this room?
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Brian
Ah, Ben, I wish I could tell
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Ben
you, but this is an ad.
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Brian
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Ben
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Brian
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Ben
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Brian
For more information and to get a sample pack, check out graytoedtalo.com don't forget to use the code COSMOS15. That's all caps COSMOS15 for 15% off your order. Welcome to the worst episode of Haunted Cosmos you will ever hear. And may I just do two things here as we welcome you to this episode. Number one, I want to apologize because this episode was my idea and I walked into Ben's office and I said, ben, it's gonna suck. But we've, we've. If we're. If we're in the business of talking about, like the worst, the demons and people doing terrible things, we've got to do Pizzagate and everything related to it. So that's number one. I'm sorry. It was my idea. It's my fault. Secondly, I just want to reiterate for the children who had ignored the beginning of this episode where we said, under no circumstances should you listen to this episode. And you're still here. Please stop. It will get worse because it's just this episode. Nobody should listen to it.
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Ben
No, really.
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Brian
No one really at all.
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Ben
We shouldn't have done it.
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Brian
But also, I stand by it.
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Ben
But our journalistic chops. We're known for nothing's off limits. And actually this connection is, I genuinely think, pretty important.
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Brian
No, I think it's an important episode. I do stand by doing it, but it's just not the kind of thing. I don't think women and children and
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Ben
men should listen to it.
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Brian
No, it is important. I do want to. People when they. You might ask why. Why would you cover this stuff? Because horrible stuff just does happen in the world. Demons do it. People do it.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
Evil is. Is real. And it is worse than we think. Yeah, it is worse than we think. I mean, I was even looking into. Just as we were preparing to record the episode, like, okay, what is, what is the state of sex crimes against children and trafficking and these things just in America. And two things came to light. One, they're vastly underreported and very. We know that they happen far more often than we get convictions that can end up in the statistics.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
But even of what we know, we're talking about 40, 50, 60,000 cases a year in the U.S. so we're talking about a handful of horrible things in this episode.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
Like that are documented or suspected. But just multiply that by 40,000, 50,000. And that's happening in America every year. Just in America, let alone. I mean, America is actually a society with some semblance of law and order. Imagine third world. Imagine what's happening globally.
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Ben
You've seen, that you've seen taken like that is pretty legit, actually. I mean, that's how. In fact, I grew up in Georgia outside of Atlanta. For the longest time, Hartsfield Jackson International Airport was the sex trafficking capital of the world. World. Because it's the busiest airport in the world by volume. And it was. It like. It's not. I don't think it's this way anymore. But for the longest time, security was like, a little bit more slack. Especially pre 9 11.
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Brian
Yeah.
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Ben
And yeah, it was like you really had to keep your kids on a leash if you went there.
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Brian
I mean, we. Two things. We even had a woman at the church that was like at Target with her kids.
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Ben
Oh, yeah.
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Brian
And had them like, what was it? Followed around or. They were like some creepy.
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Ben
It was like they were being approached from different people. Like, even out, they followed to their car in the parking lot.
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Brian
And then didn't the police come and they actually pulled them over.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
And they found, like, zip ties. There was like, a. Lexi would know this better.
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Ben
I wasn't a pastor at the time,
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Brian
so I think some crazy thing was like, they were definitely trying to kidnap either her or her and her children.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
So it happens in America. Even when I was in Cambodia as a high school student, of course. Typical. I was a megachurch Baptist kid, so I went on mission trips. One of them was to Southeast Asia, Vietnam, Cambodia. And I mean, you would go to the hotels in Phnom Penh, and on the glass door, it would, like, have vinyl stickers or whatever that said, like, no prostitution, no child sex trafficking here. Like, they had to clarify.
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Ben
Yeah, yeah.
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Brian
They had signs up that basically said, hey, just so you know, like, none of that here.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
Because that's how rampant it was in Southeast Asia in general. In general. But like a huge third world population, like in Phnom Penh, just horrible.
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Ben
You can even look. In fact, I would. So a lot of the point for this episode, if someone were to ask me, like, why did you do it? You want to not participate in the unfruitful works of darkness, but expose them. And part of why you expose them is that so you can walk away with profit, proper action.
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Brian
Yeah.
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Ben
And we'll get to more of that a little bit later in the show. But one, right off the bat, to Brian's point, with how widespread this is, you can go online and look at the registered sex offender map, and I almost guarantee you, unless you're pretty rural, you will have one near you. Like, you will have a registered sex offender that lives close to you. You should actually do that. You should go and see, and you should avoid those people at all costs. Like, genuinely protect your people by knowing who the threats are that live close to you. And I promise you there are threats
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Brian
and you can trust in systems like Amber Alert and things like that that will.
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Ben
If only.
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Brian
I know we're not going to joke in this episode a lot. Like, genuinely, we're not going to joke around, but there are a few things that are so absurd.
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Ben
Yeah. That it's just like you almost laugh just because it's.
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Brian
It's so ridiculous. We'll get there. That was an Easter egg. I would say one more thing, because basically YouTube is probably going to can us completely for this episode and we're not monetizing it. Like, we're. We're trying to avoid getting kicked off of the earth for this.
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Ben
They already did our.
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Brian
Yeah, they did. Number one. Ben and I are very happy.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
Not depressed. Not dealing with any thoughts of self harm. Like the Clintons. I think they're great. I think the Clintons are some of the best people who've ever lived.
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Ben
This is actually all satire. This is.
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Brian
It's all sat.
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Ben
One big joke.
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Brian
I can swim really well.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
I am not planning on driving in any bridge abutments at a high speed.
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Ben
Yeah. I never once have, like, choked on food.
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Brian
Never.
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Ben
And my wife is trained in CPR 100%. I don't wonder what the barrel of a gun tastes like.
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Brian
I don't go into the woods dressed up like a deer.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
During hunting season.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
So that. And then the second thing I would say here's a big takeaway that is a serious one, which is that you should. Christians should have nothing to do with this kind of stuff, but we shouldn't be the kind of hypocrites who are outraged by these big overt sexual sins while we ourselves are participating in sexual sin.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
So categorically let an episode like this. It should stir you to righteous outrage, but it should also stir you to a zeal to not participate in sins of the same category. Because, like, lest we be the type of hypocrite who says, oh, these people are like, I, you know, enjoy hell.
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Ben
Yeah. Which please do all of these people. Yeah.
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Brian
I mean, quite frankly, but also, like, not to then turn around and be like, yeah. And I, you know, Internet pornography. That's no big deal.
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Ben
No, actually. So, hey, I have a book. Yeah.
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Brian
That's a good.
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Ben
I have a book coming out called Killing Fighting for Purity in a Pornographic Age. One of the things that I try to do in that book is like a much more sharp rebuke. It's like, I try not to be too sharp for the whole time, but there are parts that warrant it. And one of them is when you recognize that in Leviticus 18, God and His law ties together the blood sacrifice of children with sexual degeneracy in a land. And like, an unbreakable link Almost as if to say that they're on the same track of sin. Obviously, looking at Internet pornography and sacrificing a child is not the same thing, but it's in the same vein of depravity. And so, yeah, like, when people are opposing abortion, they're opposing Epstein and all these things, things that we know happened and then things that we think might have happened, but then they're indulging in their lust of the flesh when they get home, away from all of the eyes of the public, like, they are standing squarely on the side of the mother who just murdered her child. Like, you are not on God's side. So repent if you're lustful and pornographic and let this drive you to that repentance. Don't be a hypocrite.
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Brian
So maybe just by way of summary.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
Make sure. What is Pizzagate? We told a lot of the story, but just like, what is it?
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Ben
Yeah. So Pizzagate. In 2016, John Podesta's emails got leaked. 56,000 emails, something like that. A lot of them were just basic innocuous, you know, shrewd tactics for campaign whatever. But some of them talked about pizza or other foods in a weird way or, like, other just, like, wording of emails that was strange. You know, like, I'm dreaming about your hot dog stand in Hawaii. Who says that? First of all, even if you have a hot dog stand in Hawaii, even
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Brian
if there is a legitimate anecdote behind
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Ben
that, which there was no hot dog. Like, John Podesta didn't own a hot dog stand. He didn't have a house in Hawaii with a hot dog stand.
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Brian
You know what you're doing.
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Ben
So stuff like that. Anyway, people latched onto that and they started relating it to coded language that you can even find on Urban Dictionary still about cheese pizza, pizza, pasta, sauces, et cetera, and how it all relates to child sex crimes and child sex abuse and then child sex abuse material, like child porn on the Internet. And they were seeing traces of this, of what they thought may have been this in the Podesta emails. Okay, that was. Pizzagate was basically, hey, pizza is talked about, oddly, like, hey, let's go get cheese pizza and grape soda. Who says that? Via email? Okay. Repeatedly. So weird. Really weird.
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Brian
You heard some of them. I mean, they're creepy and weird.
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Ben
And it was just a few. Just a few, because, you know, we don't want it to go too long. But that was basically Pizzagate is people coming up and being like, what are they talking about? And here's the thing. Who could have figured out what they were talking about? The FBI. Did the FBI question anyone? No. What we'll find for the rest of this episode is that they still have not questioned anyone. The people that we'll eventually get to with Epstein that talk in the same way. Still no questions that we know about FBI.
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Brian
I want to speak to you directly again, just want to reiterate how much I trust and respect you as an organization and that this is all satire. So please don't take any of this as a criticism. But also, that's really terrible and they should have done it.
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Ben
Yeah. And then James Elephantis came into the picture. Now, if you didn't catch it, James Elephantis really is an oddball. He's listed by GQ or he was as one of the top 50 most powerful people in DC. That's a pretty big deal.
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Brian
I mean, that's a hard list to get on.
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Ben
Not influential. Not like powerful. And all he did was own a pizza shop. Comet Ping Pong. He was married to or his gay lover. I don't know, some guy that worked for Media Matters who was big in the dnc. But his gay lover wasn't the powerful guy. James Elephantis was the powerful guy guy. And his Instagram was really strange. I'm sure you heard it.
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Brian
Some of those examples are downright disturbing.
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Ben
And you, you know, if you want a good resource on this, you can go listen to the clip from Tucker Carlson's episode with Ian Carroll where he just talks about Pizzagate and explains it in about 15 minutes. And he goes into some good detail if you want, you know, kind of where I went to get started on all this, I thought it was helpful. But when James Elephantis came into the picture and people started finding the weird connections with his Instagram page and the captions and the hashtags and all this stuff, that's when people think that like government bots went online and started saying, oh, so kids are being held prisoner in Comet Ping Pong and they're being raped every single day and someone should go stop them. And they. And so that's not Pizzagate like that. Step everything up to that is Pizzagate, including James Alefontein and the weirdness. Yeah, but that is not Pizzagate. That was a false flag conspiracy theory that actually a lot of people think the government itself started pushing. And then Edgar Welch, who shot up Comet Ping Pong, which is like, that's putting that pretty strong, was an MK Ultra plant. He was an actor. That was his profession. He was an actor he was in had problems with the law. He's kind of the perfect patsy. They think that basically they hired or gave Edgar Welch the ultimatum to go in, shoot up comet, ping pong, find nothing, and then be like, oh, it was all.
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Brian
Basically, they're hiding something nefarious by this big, absurd, nefarious thing.
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Ben
Exactly.
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Brian
That only an idiot would really believe
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Ben
by making it look so ridiculous.
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Brian
Like, it literally, they. How would they be getting away with this if they were really doing, like, dozens of girls at a p. A public pizza shop? Like, that's not what it was.
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Ben
Doesn't make any sense. So that was like, when Pizzagate blew up in the mainstream was when it had already become that ridiculous thing. But Pizzagate started with just like, what is this word? What do these wordings mean? Like, these emails are weird. Can someone explain this? And then after Edgar Welch did his thing, it kind of just went away. But the Epstein files, and that's the connection with this episode, the Epstein files. Some of those correspondences between Epstein and his friends sound very similar to the Podesta emails that raised concerns. And so that's where people are now saying, wait a minute. What if people were right about Pizzagate the whole time? What if, like, we should not have just let that go? What if Edgar Welch was more than just a guy who made a stupid decision?
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Brian
Which we'll get to right in the next. We'll talk more about the Epstein connection.
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Ben
Yeah, so we're going to talk more about Epstein in kind of the next scripted section. But I do think that there are some points about Pizzagate that we could bring up to just further drive the point home. And this is two or three more anecdotal but well documented stories that are just, like, true that no one disagrees with. You can even go to Snopes and it'll be like, yeah, this happened. The first is a woman named Laura Silsbee. Okay, so Laura Silsbee was working as a humanitarian in Haiti after one of the hurricanes or storms. To be honest, I just can't remember the year, but you can look this up. And what she was trying to do was work with Christian missionaries who are coming into Haiti in order to find orphaned children homes that they could be adopted into, primarily outside of Haiti, because Haiti is just terrible. Like, Haiti's always been terrible. But the doctor would be an upgrade. Mexico and of course, America would kind of be like the cream of the crop upgrade. So anyway, she's trying to work with Haitian authorities to get orphaned kids out of Haiti. And into these new homes. But she gets stopped at the Dominican Republic border, and it turns out all of the kids. And there's like, 40 kids in her van are not orphans. They all belong to families in Haiti. And then there's, like, a lot of subtext about how the kids are like, yeah, and I don't want to be here. So she actually gets charged and convicted in Haiti for kidnapping 40 kids.
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Brian
Trafficking children.
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Ben
Trafficking children. Her charge is that she trafficked children. And then Bill Clinton comes in.
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Brian
Of course. Bill Clinton steps in. Bill Clinton steps in, as anybody could predict.
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Ben
Yes. Like, of course. Because of course, everyone knows that Laura and Bill go way back. They go way back.
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Brian
Laura Silsby.
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Ben
Yeah. And Bill. Yeah. Bill Clinton steps in and says, hey, actually, here's all these legal technicalities of why you did this wrong, yada, yada, yada. She gets six months in, like, the premium prison in Haiti, and I'm sure there's only one, because that country is bad. But she gets six months jail time in Haiti, gets sent back to the United States.
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Brian
And then this part is almost unbelievable.
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Ben
It is almost unbelievable, but it's all true. Almost within, like, a year, she gets remarried. Okay. Which is like, whatever changes her name and she gets hired and is still currently serving in the role, as far as I know, as the VP of marketing for AlertSense, which is the company that oversees the Amber Alert system in the United States, which.
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Brian
Amber Alert is a system that is used to alert people about Laura Silsbees on an Amber level.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
About children who have been kidnapped and
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Ben
who are maybe being trafficked. So you have a convicted child trafficker.
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Brian
This is a little on the nose.
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Ben
Who was the VP of marketing for the Amber Alerts. Okay.
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Brian
Now here's. We have a connection to Silsby in this room. Not in a bad way.
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Ben
That's true, actually.
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Brian
But Jamie Evanescence.
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Ben
Jamie, pull that up.
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Brian
Almost had a heart attack because of Silsbee. Can you explain that? Go. Yeah, Well, I used to live in Hawaii, and in Hawaii, there was the false. False alarm missile attack from. Who was it? Supposedly the Amber Alert system. I think it was from, like, Japan or, like, Japan is North Korea, Something like that. Yeah. So it's all the same. We all thought we were gonna die for, like, a good half hour. So what'd you do? I went on Twitter. Went on Twitter, found out it was a hoax or that was a mistake. And then. Yeah. Weren't you weeping, like, in the.
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Ben
Well, I think he said he.
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Brian
Yeah, I was. I was totally. No, my sister Was weeping. She's going to be listening to this.
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Ben
I'll be like, oh, no. I just named Doc.
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Brian
And it was because you can bleep it out. And it was because the same company did that.
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Ben
So AlertSense was also overseeing the alert system for whatever, the missile alert system. I still don't understand that whole story. So Laura Silsby literally, Literally made Evanescence and Sister cry.
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Brian
Yeah.
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Ben
Do you trust this woman?
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Brian
I don't that alone. But then especially the whole, like, I was convicted of trafficking, like, 30 kids
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Ben
and then Bill Clinton weirdly wants to help.
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Brian
Saved by Bill Clinton. And then also, like, put in charge of the literal Amber Alert system of America.
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Ben
It'd be easy to overlook this. You've got to be, why did Bill Clinton help Laura Silsby? I really want you to ask yourself that question. I have no idea how they knew each other. Maybe it says it somewhere and I just missed it. Like, that's a possibility. But even then, if you got convicted of child trafficking, do you want to know what I wouldn't do help you? I wouldn't help you do anything except maybe, like, jump off a cliff.
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Brian
You visit me and you'd be like,
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Ben
repent, you're going to hell. But then also, I would flip the switch. I discharge my weapon.
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Brian
It would be like, the guy, he wouldn't even be crying, though.
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Ben
Yeah. It's like, hey, repent right now because you're about to go meet him. Yeah.
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Brian
Wow. Like, I'm arranging the appointment.
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Ben
Okay. So that's kind of the first one.
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Brian
Okay. There's another one, though, where you have this theme of. Because Pizzagate's all about, like, secret child trafficking, elites are involved in it. A theme that runs through it is coded. Using the Internet in a coded or secretive way. Kind of like the Wayfarer story. I don't have. I don't know if this is true. Yeah, this is the meme or that went around. Or the story that it might be an urban legend. Maybe not. Fact check it.
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Ben
I'll grock it right.
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Brian
Of like, There was on Wayfair.com where you sell a bunch of stuff, There were allegedly these listings for items that were, like, way overpriced for what the item was like, maybe a cabinet. And it was like $30,000 and it was named with just a girl's name.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
And there was only one of them. And people alleged that those were, like, a way of using this e commerce platform to actually traffic people. So that was the story. And this sort of thing shows up across the Pizzagate story as well. There's the other.
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Ben
Okay, you ready?
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Brian
Yeah, let's hear it.
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Ben
Okay, I'm just gonna read the GROK summary. This is very professional. Around mid 2020 social media users. And it throws in that they have to be linked to QAnon. They found Wayfair listings for industrial style storage cabinets and other items like pillows with very high prices, like 10 to 15 gr. What just was a cabinet? First names like Samia, Azariah, you know, foreign names. And then those names matched to names of missing children from public databases. And so the theory claims that they were like trafficking kids. They were trafficking kids, they're selling children. And we'll talk about this later, but there is a former FBI special agent who actually made it to the last round of interviews to be the director of the FBI, a guy named Ted Gunderson, who started going public in like the 90s saying that world elites were having child auctions in cities like New York and Las Vegas to basically sell off as sex slaves all these kids they had kidnapped to maintain relations with the shadow government and stuff. This is a guy like, this is.
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Brian
That's a high profile guy, an almost
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Ben
director of the FBI guy.
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Brian
So tell us about. I can't remember. Cheesebag.
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Ben
Cheesebang.
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Brian
Cheesy Bay.
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Ben
Cheesy, which is a similar e commerce related Cheesy Bay. Jamie, if you wanna go to the next slide just so I make sure I don't get anything wrong.
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Brian
Oh yeah, yeah, there's another slide.
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Ben
There we go. There we go. Cheesy Bay. Okay, so it all started with a Reddit user who lived in Hawaii and worked on like a farm, like an agro tourist farm or something. And he found this slab of concrete on the farm that had over 30 unique Wi Fi signals coming from underneath it.
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Brian
Like he opened his phone and there are all these networks.
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Ben
Yeah. And he would step like onto the platform and they'd all be there. He'd step off of it and they'd all be gone. Like, you know, just a high. And he was like, that's just weird. So he posted on Reddit and he was like, does anyone know what this is? Like, this seems funny to me. And people started saying like, I don't know, that could be strange. I'll look into it. Internet sleuths doing their thing. What they find is that the company that the guy was working for was owned by someone named James Flintstone. James Flint Stone. Not.
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Brian
Not the vitamins.
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Ben
Not the Flintstone vitamins or gummies. Not like Velma, not that one. And not touch PEB, not touchPEB. All different, totally different. But this guy, David. All right, yeah, David or James Flintstone. David Flintstone. Excuse me. So they found out he owned the company. They also linked his name to an ebay account called Cheesy Bay. All right, now, remember the coded language with cheese that we heard about in the cold open? It refers to like boys and stuff. So Cheesy Bay. And the only thing that this ebay store sold were allegedly broken hard drives. You know, flash drives, floppy disk, whatever, like that had no use. But he was selling them for hundreds of dollars, like very high premium. And all the reviews were really high. And then some of the comments on certain products were like, loved this product. Very, very happy children. Thank you.
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Brian
Those hard drives were not broken.
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Ben
Yeah, okay, then it gets better then. David Flintstone's email was hacked. Allegedly. Like this is where it starts to get into the. We don't know for sure if this happened. Everything else we know, his email gets hacked. It turns out he was corresponding with a woman named Sasha Lord who lived in the D.C. area as a mentor for at risk children. And she happened to be the event coordinator at Comet ping Pong, the D.C. pizzeria owned by James Elephantis. Okay. And they were put in touch by. What was that lady's name? They were put in touch by Lisa Jackson, who is a Clinton foundation board member. But Lisa Jackson was using her pseudonym, which I can't remember right now, in the emails corresponding with all of them, but it's a pseudonym. That's like an open secret in dc. Everyone knows that it's Lisa Jackson. Okay, so that's where you get the connection to Clinton's Comet, Ping Pong, et cetera. All of this was kind of like, oh, wow, maybe this is all just a bad coincidence, you know? And then in 2025, David Flintstone was arrested in Colombia for solicitation for sex with a 15 year old girl. And she. And he was trying to pay her like a million pesos. I don't know how much that is. Martin would know probably like one USD$13. Yeah. In order for her to perform sexual services for him. And the online sleuths were able to trace it back and basically confirm that it was the same David Flintstone because there was a picture of him in Columbia before he was arrested that he had posted to like a social media site. And it was the exact same guy that posted a picture of him by his distillery in Hawaii where this Reddit user worked. And then the Reddit user was like, yeah, that was my boss. Like, that was him. And this also should make us think of that Todd Stern email to Podesta where he says, I'm dreaming about that hot dog stand in Hawaii. There's just like, there's too many coincidences
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Brian
and they do it in a coded way.
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Ben
My charity runs really thin. First of all, I don't trust any of those elite people anyway. But then you start to stack up these coincidences and you're like, yeah, it's not a coincidence anymore. Like, there's just. It can't be.
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Brian
Let me bring us into the the story of the Epstein files and the man himself. Buckle up. Living from 1740 to 1814, the Marquis de Sade was an author and intellectual who laid much of the moral and philosophical groundwork for the French Revolution. He was, as his name implies, the original sadist. He summed up his unironic philosophy of life with the phrase, if it feels good, do it. Throughout his novels, he repeats this sentiment through the mouths of his protagonists, libertines who indulged in unspeakable sex crimes, torture and murder of others. Today, the general public is most familiar with the film adaptation of one of his books, 120 Days of Sodom. In the novel, de Sade makes his philosophy of libertinism unmistakably clear by recounting the story of four French noblemen who seek the ultimate virtue in life, sexual release and pleasure by locking themselves in a remote castle for 120 days. With 12 accomplices, 10 servants and 20 dedicated victims, mostly children kidnapped at the whims of the nobleman. During the orgy, the characters engage in escalating stages of debauchery, including rape, incest, child sexual abuse, bestiality, necrophilia and coprophilia. It was de Sade's most straightforward rebellion against God in nature, and it instructed countless thousands in the ways of such high handed rebellion. For remember, to de Sade and others like him, the Liberty teens are the heroes. The victims are merely fuel for their fire, basically inanimate objects who exist only as cogs in the world machine, turning over and over for the mere pleasure of the few who believe that if something feels good, one should do it without fear of condemnation. In 1953, Jeffrey Epstein was born in Brooklyn, New York to middle class working parents.
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Ben
He did.
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Brian
He tutored classmates and adolescent acquaintances remembered him as smart, nerdy, generous and sweet. They said he was just an average boy. In 1969, he graduated from high school two years early and began studying advanced mathematics. In college, though he Never finished his degree. Instead, at the age of 21, he began his career as a math teacher under Donald Barr, headmaster of the Dalton School and in all officer in the oss, which is of course the precursor to the CIA. Just two years after joining Dalton, a parent who worked on Wall street hired Epstein to work with him at Bear Stearns. There, Epstein leveraged his social skills and quickly became a young phenom of sorts. By the age of 27, he'd earned a position as a limited partner at the company. That same year, Cosmopolitan named him Bachelor of the Month in its July issue. The exposure also drew attention to his frequent trips to Palm Beach, Florida, where he enjoyed the company of young and attractive women. In 1981, he formed his own financial consulting firm and again found rapid success in international business. He traveled throughout the uk, Europe, the Near east and the Middle East. Those travels concerned him. His Jewish descent placed him in considerable danger while passing through certain countries in that region of the world. World. He therefore acquired an Austrian passport under a false name that listed his residence as Saudi Arabia. At least according to Epstein and his lawyers, that was the purpose of the passport. In 1987, Towers Financial Corporation, a debt collection agency, hired Epstein as a consultant. The company housed him in Manhattan's Villard Houses and paid him a monthly stipend equivalent to $71,000 in 2020, $25. In 1989, Epstein left the company. Four years later, Towers Financial imploded and authorities exposed it as one of the largest Ponzi schemes in American history. Finally, in 1988, Epstein founded his financial management firm, J. Epstein Company. The firm remained his primary business venture until his death in 2019. Through this company, Epstein, and through the countless connections he had already cultivated on Wall street and in international business, Epstein formed close relationships with some of the world's most powerful people. It was also through this work in financial management that his legal troubles first began in earnest. In 1996, a property manager who worked for Epstein made a report to the FBI accusing him of stealing nude and semi nude photographs of her 12 and 16 year old sisters from the family home. She said Epstein sold the images and threatened her with harm in the event that she told anyone. Included in this report was the claim that Epstein asked her to take pictures of young girls at a swimming pool for him. But this was just the first report of a single witness. In 1997, 27 year old model and actress Alicia Arden filed a report with with the Santa Monica Police Department alleging Epstein had sexually groped her without her consent during a Victoria's Secret audition. Epstein was the financial advisor for Les Wexner, the brand's owner, and frequently attended such auditions under the pretext of helping the ladies land bigger jobs. Of course, Arden's report included a statement saying she did not want to press charges but did want Epstein to be war warned. He was called by a detective, gave a conflicting report of his own, and the case was closed. Again, just a single witness. Surely a man in his position must expect to be falsely accused from time to time. In 2001, three female students from Palm Beach Atlantic University complained to police of unusual behavior at Epstein's residence. The trio had been there after being recruited for administrative work by Epstein's friend and ex lover, Ghislaine Maxwell. The claims were investigated and nothing untoward was discovered by police. Three accusations over the course of five years, with no tangible evidence to show for it. Epstein, in the eyes of some, was himself another victim of cash grabbing slander. And then 2005 happened. Before talking about that, however, it's worth pausing in the year 2000 to become a acquainted with a woman named Virginia Giuffre. In her posthumous memoir, Nobody's Girl, Giuffre says that after a childhood of abuse, she was discovered by Ghislaine Maxwell when she was working as a spa attendant at Donald Trump's Mar a Lago resort. Her story goes that she was reading a book on massage therapy, which caught Maxwell's attention. Maxwell offered her a chance to interview for a position as Epstein's personal traveling masseuse and assured Giuffre that her lack of actual massage experience wouldn't be an issue. When she arrived for her interview, she reported that Epstein was already lying down naked. Maxwell showed her how he liked to be massaged, Jeffrey did what she was told, Epstein liked her and she got the job. She was about 17 years old at the time. Thus again, according to her memoir, Virginia Giuffre was groomed to provide sexual service services to Epstein and whatever one of his colleagues he told her to work for. For two years she traveled with Epstein between Palm Beach, Manhattan and Little St. James Island. She was passed around like a plate of fruit during these years. Her memoir accuses Epstein, Prince Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor hedge fund manager Glenn Dubin, attorney Alan Dershowitz, Bill Richardson, MIT scientist Marvin Winsky, George Mitchell, and modeling agent Jean Luc Brunel, among others, of raping her. She also reproaches herself for participating in Epstein's trafficking by occasionally bringing new girls into his home and network. Virginia Giuffre's story is long and winding and we can't go into it in more detail here, but she is worth bringing up because she was the first of Epstein's victims to go fully public with her name and likeness. Some of her story is questionable, such as her false accusation of Alan Dershowitz, but much of it is or has been tacitly corroborated by the Epstein files or court settlements given to her by Prince Andrew Ghislaine Maxwell and the Epstein estate. In April of 2025, Giuffre was found dead in her West Australia home. Her death was ruled a suicide. Her father, commenting on the tragedy, said someone got to her. But with that detour behind us, let's return to the main plot of this terrible story and go to 2005 and Epstein's first conviction in 2005, Epstein spent most of his time at his Palm beach residence when he was not traveling for business or pleasure. While there, he was careful to financially support the city's police department with sizable donations in 2001, 2002 and 2004. Then in March of 05, a woman filed a report court with the police department alleging that her daughter, a 14 year old, was taken to Epstein's mansion by an older girl where she received $300 to strip down to her underwear and give the financier a massage. In response, the Palm beach Police launched a 13 month investigation which identified approximately 35 girls under the age of consent who had similar stories of the sensual massage they were paid to provide to Epstein. Additionally, a handful of the girls said that they received an extra $200 for every new girl they were able to bring to the residence. Eventually, the detectives obtained a warrant and searched the home, but Epstein had somehow been made aware of their plans. They found camera systems in the massage rooms, but the hard drives they recorded to were missing. They found notepads documenting massage schedules for the girls as well as messages from girls scribbled by assistants for Epstein to read. They found pictures of young women in compromising situations, an Amazon receipt for BDSM books, and a transcript for a high school aged girl. In 2006, a grand jury assembled to determine which charges law enforcement could actually bring against Epstein. A police detective and two alleged victims testified on behalf of the city. One girl said that Epstein Knew she was 16 when she started working for him. Sexual activity increased slowly over time until the night before she turned 18, Epstein initiated intercourse with her. As a result of the grand jury, Epstein was charged with one count of solicitation of prostitution. He pleaded not guilty and was released on bond. This result was unacceptable to state investigators who initially took on the case. The chief of police at the time went on record stating that Epstein should face charges for sex crimes involving minors and sex trafficking. He therefore contacted the FBI field office in Miami and asked them to open their own investigation. The field office obliged and the federal case against Jeffrey Epstein officially began. This investigation coalesced in a conviction for procuring prostitution for a girl below 18 years of age. On June 30, 2008, Epstein was sentenced to 18 months in prison. But this is where the level of connection and leverage Epstein had over apparently everyone in his life starts to show his teeth. For starters. Despite policy in Florida being for sex offenders to be incarcerated in a state prison, Epstein was held in a private wing of a minimum security stockade in Palm Beach County. But that's not all. The wing that housed him was previously unused and unstaffed. So Epstein paid for the security staff necessary to keep him there out of his own pocket. The police captain stated at the time, I'm authorizing that Epstein's cell door be left unlocked and he'd be given a liberal access to the attorney room where a TV will be installed. End quote. After three and a half months of such jail time, and we're using that term very loosely, Epstein was given work release privileges for up to 12 hours a day, six days a week. But this went against state policy to have sex offenders incarcerated with no release for at least 10 months. During his work release hours, he was overseen by police permit deputies whose overtime was being paid directly again by Epstein himself. When on the job, they did not even wear uniforms and served as Epstein's administrators at his Palm beach office. After serving 13 months of his 18 month sentence, Epstein was released and placed on a year of probation and house arrest. During this time he traveled to his Manhattan and Virginia islands residences on his private jet replace repeatedly and took frequent shopping trips all throughout Palm beach for exercise. Thus ended Jeffrey Epstein's first official run in with the law. With him getting to live his life virtually uninterrupted After A limp wristed 100 day stay in his county jail bed and breakfast. After his release, the aforementioned Virginia Giuffre came forward and publicly began to accuse. Epstein and his associates were by name. Fast forward to 2019. Epstein's circle of friends remained largely unchanged despite him being a convicted child sex offender and he was living large between Manhattan, Palm beach and his little St. James Island. He spent much of his business and personal life in close Connection with people from a variety of backgrounds who repeatedly pop up in varying contexts in the so called Epstein files. These people include, just for your information, Ghislaine Maxwell, also convicted child sex offender Jean Luc Brunel, a French modeling scout and alleged sex trafficker, Prince Andrew Windsor, Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Bill Gates, Peter Thiel, Ariana de Rothschild, Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, Woody Allen, David Blaine, and Noam Chomsky, among others. Oh, and funny story about Bill Gates. He admitted that his correspondence with Epstein after his 2008 conviction was a large mistake, but he's no saint. He also admitted to two affairs with two Russian women at a Gates foundation event. How he met them is unknown, but Epstein sure did have a talent for recruiting young Russian models. This is well documented. What's more, there are draft emails in the Epstein files written by Epstein himself, alleging that at a party on Little St. James, Bill Gates contracted an STD and that he then tried to hide this from his wife by procuring and secretly administering antibiotics to her to keep her from contracting the same disease. This is the man who promotes himself as the guru of public health in the west, by the way, you couldn't make up a greater irony if. If you tried to. But anyways, back to 2019. Jeffrey Epstein was arrested once more upon landing at the Teterboro Airport in New Jersey after a trip to France. The charges again stemmed from alleged sex trafficking. During the years 2002 to 2005, he was jailed at Metropolitan Correctional center in New York City. His homes in Manhattan, Palm beach and the Virgin Islands were searched after the staff at each residence was warned that the feds were coming, by the way. And that is ultimately how the world came to find out about the Epstein files. Enough evidence was found to uphold the charges, and on July 18, Epstein was denied bail by U.S. district Judge Richard Berman. Less than a month later, Jeffrey Epstein was found unresponsive in his cell. This incident led to his death that same day. And all of this, believe it or not, is just scratching the surface. So why bring this up at all? Why talk about Pizzagate and then talk about the Epstein scandal that rocked the world during the years? Well, it's because of some correspondence that has since come out in the release of the Epstein files. Specifically, some odd wording that was used between the fiend Epstein and other world elites. Here are some of the more shocking or at minimum, strange ones to give you a taste. April 6, 2018. A redacted sender to Epstein Quote. This is better than a Chinese cookie. See attached. Let's go for pizza and grape soda again. No one else can understand. End quote. This is a spring 2018 text exchange between Epstein and his physician, Harry Fish. Jeffrey Epstein. I'm back. Can you call in Stendra100 at Zidomer? It's an erectile dysfunction medication. How many? 10. They didn't have your call yet. You have refills available? Call them back. Thanks. They want you to call. I just did. You can pick them up now. After you use them. Wash your hands and let's go get pizza and grape soda. Call me. Here's another one also from 2018 and also from Dr. Harry Fish to Epstein. Chunky. I forgot about that. What time do you want to get pizza and grape soda tomorrow? End quote. Here's another one from Roy Hodges to Jeffrey Epstein. Quote. I wanted to let you know the crew really appreciated the pizza today. Thank you for letting us do that. End quote. Here's one from Elon Musk to Epstein. Slight paraphrase. Quote. I want a wild party. I don't want a relaxing vacation. I'm really stressed. I want it to be wild. No big deal if it's a bunch of young girls. Girls. End quote. Here's yet another string of texts from Harry Fish, the doctor to Epstein. Quote. Greenberg's Bakery just started making pop tarts. Okay, first we get a slice of pizza with grape soda. Then the pop tart pizza and grape soda tomorrow for lunch. End quote. Here's an Epstein email to a redacted user in 2009. QUOTE where are you? Are you okay? I loved the torture video. End quote. Here's an Epstein email to someone with username Marchiolo in 2011. Do you want me to try to do her or just torture her again? On redacted Here's a text exchange between Epstein and redacted in 2012. Where are you, Epstein? Paris with Woody Allen. 4 Les pedophiles convention Epstein. I think pedophile is plural. Here's another one. Email exchange between Epstein and ex girlfriend eva Dubin from 2010. Epstein. I'm at the ranch. Eva, come and visit next week. Selena will have five friends over. Selina is Eva's daughter who was 15 at the time. These are just a sampling of the unsettling language that's not so hidden in the Epstein files. Surely you could can see how and why this might connect back to the Pizzagate conspiracy. Perhaps there really was or is a shadow cabal of elites seeking to undermine lawful government while indulging in the most heinous lusts of the flesh. Perhaps money, blackmail and assured mutual destruction. Keep it as secretive as anything else in the world could be. Perhaps. But maybe that's still a bridge too far. As one final piece of circumstantial evidence, it may interest viewers and listeners to know the name of Epstein's infamous private jet. It was called officially the Lolita Express. At first glance, you might think this name means nothing. It's just a name, right? Well, not exactly. Lolita is a well known novel among libertines. Written by Russian novelist Vladimir Nabokov in 1955. The book details the obsessive and explicitly pornographic relationship between the main character, Humbert Humbert, a middle aged man and a 12 year old girl named Lolita. The private jet's name is no accident. It may even be a confession. A brazen, shameless confession of all the depravity contained therein. Why is it that most soaps and cleaning products ironically don't contain clean ingredients? Indigo Sundries soap opera company is helping families stay clean and healthy by starting with the most important step in cleanliness. Soap. Their cold pressed soap bars, including clay bars and tallow bars are made from all natural ingredients that don't have any harmful chemicals. And they smell Great. Visit indigosundrysoap.com and order today. And hey, subscribe for regular shipments and get 10% off every time. Does your brain feel foggy all the time?
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Ben
It's been foggier than an Elevation worship service.
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Brian
Mine too. Maybe it's the fae. Maybe we got abducted by aliens.
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Ben
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Brian
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Brian
Ben, I wouldn't even know where to begin in answering this question.
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Ben
Okay, well, let me answer it for you. You call the good old boys at Drain My Lawn, and. And they'll rush right over. These drainage experts are the swamp ape's greatest foible. They can remove his habitat in no time. Plus, their sister company, Fence My Lawn, can follow up the drainage with a fence that is scientifically proven to keep swamp apes out. And it also looks really good.
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Brian
Wow. If you live in the Charlotte, North Carolina area, go to drainmylawn.com haunted and you'll get 5% off any service.
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Ben
Well, that was horrifying. Welcome back to again, the worst episode of Haunted Cosmos we've ever done.
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Brian
By far.
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Ben
Yeah. Brian, what'd you think about all that?
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Brian
Bad people. They're bad people. I am not sad that Jeffrey Epstein is dead.
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Ben
Right.
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Brian
I am sad that he didn't come clean.
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Ben
Yeah. And he definitely was killed.
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Brian
I'm also sad that the US Government is like, release the Jeffrey Epstein files. Aliens. Yeah.
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Ben
And then they're like, ah, yeah. So there's. I think there's been three and a half million Epstein files released. And files is like, any file, anything. It can be any size, whatever. But there were like, 6 million that they recovered. And they have now started saying, like, Pam Bondi is saying, like, yeah, we're not gonna release anymore. Like, that's just so messed up. There's also. And an alleged. Excuse me. Statement by someone named Acosta. Do you know that? Jim Acosta.
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Brian
I've heard. Yeah.
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Ben
Yeah. Okay. He was like, a U.S. district attorney. And when all the Epstein files started coming up, he apparently said, this is unproven, that he was told not to touch Epstein because the CIA was. The CIA was involved. Epstein was, like, untouchable. And that actually holds some water when you remember that the way Epstein got his first job was by being recruited as a schoolteacher by an OSS officer. Yeah.
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Brian
Which is a CIA.
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Ben
Yeah. Which was the precursor to this.
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Brian
Why?
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Ben
And then. Oh, this guy who has literally no experience in finance, just happens to land, like, the dream job on Wall street because he had a good time drinking a beer with one of his student's parents. Like, this doesn't make any sense. And then he goes through. He is making money, money, money. He's opening businesses and he's getting clients with, like, the richest people in the world. How is he doing this? But all this led to his connection to former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. And this is just another wrinkle that like, so crazy, should blow your mind. Ehud Barak and Epstein were known friends. They were close associates. And I think it was in 2016. Yeah. While Ehud Barak was no longer the Prime Minister. But Israeli law says that they maintain the same level of security, just like we do for our presidents. And Ehud Barak spent Israeli defense money to put a ton of surveillance cameras into a building in Manhattan that Jeffrey Epstein's brother owned, but that Jeffrey Epstein managed to. And in all these rooms, you have cameras everywhere, but they were hidden. And there's logs showing that the guest book for all these rooms were Ehud Barak and other high level Israeli, you know, government folks, Jeffrey Epstein and all of his best friends and underaged models. And it's just there, like for all to see. Also, Peter Thiel's name was mentioned. Peter Thiel's a very bad man. Also a sodomite. And he runs the now, like, massive corporation known as Palantir that's trying to take away every sense of privacy that you could possibly have. Well, in case you don't know, Palantir and the Israeli Defense Force are very close friends. And guess who proctored that connection. Jeffrey Epstein. There's a video from 2013 of Epstein urging Ehud Barak to convince Israel to work with Palantir and Peter Thiel. All this is just out there in the Epstein files.
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Brian
Some of it is so brazen that it makes you just look at it and say, this was a man who thought he was untouchable. Yeah, until popular opinion got so big.
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Ben
Yeah. But even then it's like, why did he think he was untouchable? It's because if the allegations are true, he had leverage on everybody. And you even see that with the Palm beach thing. Like, he didn't go to jail. Yeah, he had a vacation.
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Brian
We didn't even talk about that.
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Ben
He paid the salary of the police officers that guarded him.
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Brian
Can you imagine pitching that? If you're a normal guy and you're going to. You're supposed to go to jail for. I can't emphasize this enough.
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Ben
Child sex crimes, child sex trafficking.
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Brian
And you go to the jail and you're like, look, I know I'm supposed to go to prison.
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Ben
I want this whole wing to myself.
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Brian
Best I can do is my own minimum security prison. Others not even prison minimum security facility. There's no staff there. Look, I'll pay for my people to come in.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
Hey, can I get some work Release? How about 12 hours a day, six days a week? I Don't even leave my home for much more than that.
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Ben
And he paid the overtime for the guys that were watching him on the work release program, the officers.
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Brian
And they just worked for him.
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Ben
And they didn't even wear police uniforms. And they just did it.
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Brian
They just did work for him.
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Ben
They just worked for him.
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Brian
He was like, hey, you know, Jimmy, can I get that? Can I get that report by the end of the day? And like, yes, sir, Mr. Epstein. It's unbelievable, but absolutely hilariously ridiculous.
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Ben
And. Yeah. And evil.
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Brian
Well, and evil.
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Ben
But. But that goes without saying. That goes without saying.
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Brian
I mean, just. That's a guy that has juice. And you look at the lists that we were reading off Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Stephen Hawking, David Blaine. Stephen Hawking, David Blaine. David Blaine, time traveling demon.
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Ben
Here's the thing, okay, Jesus, everyone, what else is orange Jesus? I don't know. Something bad that I don't want to say. I don't know. I can't even think of anything. I don't want to joke about it. All the names that we read off that were, like, on the Epstein files, those are close associates of Jeffrey Epstein after he was convicted of child sex trafficking in 2008.
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Brian
These people were like, yes, I will be friends with you and be closely associated with you and go on, like, vacations with you to your private island
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Ben
and invite you to Mar a Lago
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Brian
and say, like, maybe there'd be some girls there. I don't know. Elon said that.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
After he was convicted of child sex crimes.
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Ben
Also, Bill Gates. Bill Gates. You know what? I want Bill Gates to suffer.
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Brian
You know, Jock's vindicated for shoving nerds in lockers.
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Ben
He should have been shoved in a.
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Brian
Because Bill Gates deserves it.
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Ben
This is like, I don't know if you caught that in the thing that Brian just read. This is not ironclad, okay? But what we do know is that Bill Gates loved Jeffrey Epstein, spent a ton of time with him, and then later was like, I regret that it
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Brian
was one of my larger mistakes. And I'm like, what were your other mistakes?
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Ben
Yeah, like, seriously? But then one of the Epstein files is an email drafted by Jeffrey Epstein that was never sent to anyone that says that. Like, yeah, and Bill. Bill Gates got an STD while he was visiting me for a party, and then didn't want his wife to find out about it, so he started secretly administering drugs to her so that she'd be safe from the std, but. But wouldn't find out that he had a bunch of sex with girls. And boys, I can't emphasize enough how disgusting these godless, God hating world elites are. They hate you, they hate themselves, they hate the world, they hate nature, they hate everything. They're hateful, they should be righteously hated.
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Brian
And you just go down the train, like you go down the pit of sin and there comes a point where you just can't get out, like, where you're just so far down it that to do even to take like the turn to righteousness, the cost would be everything.
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Ben
Yeah.
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Brian
And so people just never consider it.
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Ben
They just die in their sin.
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Brian
They're just worse and worse and worse and die in their sin. I mean, and there's definitely. This is human evil for sure. I don't want to downplay that. However, there are occultic overtones, demonic overtones involved in some of this as well. And there's been speculation. Maybe you want to address that, like, of why it seemed like it's a chicken egg thing. Are men like this? Do they be. And women, Jelaine, do they become elites in positions of power because they're so evil and they'll do anything they can, or are they targeted? Are elites in particular targeted by the demonic so they can exercise influence over others?
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Ben
I think that there's two. So I'm starting to think that there's two kind of avenues. The first is more like the inner ring stuff from C.S. lewis, where you want to get in with the inner ring. And their initiation is like small steps every now and then, small, minorly compromising decisions. Things that really don't seem very big. Like, what if you got me out of this parking ticket? Like, stuff like that. But that leads to the next little bit bigger thing, little bit bigger compromising thing. And eventually you find yourself like in that hideous strength with Mark Stuttuck being, hey, will you stomp on this crucifix? And will you defame this image of Christian salvation? And Mark is like, this is stupid. But the other one. So that one's kind of like you find yourself there.
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Brian
Yeah.
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Ben
And then you get deceived and deceived and then you do start to love it and you get callous to it. The other one. And this is something that Chad Ripperger, who's a Catholic exorcist, who actually like, has some very interesting stuff to say. Chad Ripperger was on with Tucker Carlson and he was saying that he's noticed more and more in his career how people will genuinely be competent, talented, like high performing, elite individuals, and they'll get into these positions of power but then because it's a position of power and because the demonic wants to see the defilement and destruction of God's image on the earth, they will be specifically targeted for temptation. And not just human temptation, although that's obviously there, but also the devil. We are tempted to sin by our own flesh and the world and the
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Brian
devil and the devil.
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Ben
And so the devil is like, well, if I can really corrupt this elite ruler who's over all these people, then I can corrupt all these people because it's a trickle down thing. You see this in Israel's history, you know, when, when wicked kings go in for Israel or Judah, and you can read about in Chronicles, in 1st and 2nd kings, if, if they are sinful, then the people will follow the king in the sin. If they repent, then the people will follow the king in repentance. That's the nature and responsibility of power and authority. You actually do have real power and real authority. So Chad Rippiger's point is we actually shouldn't be surprised when we live in an apostate west, that the apostasy would be quickest at the top and it would go from apostasy to just overt Satanism, even long before the kind of like rank and file are being as overt about it.
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Brian
Yeah, it's molech worship. Yeah. By the king sacrificing his child at the gate.
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Ben
Right. And so like the mother who goes into the abortion clinic and murders her child, we would say, well, that's child sacrifice. You're sacrificing her at the altar of convenience. Right. But what Ripper is saying and what Tucker Carlson is like, also alluding to is, yeah, but at the very top, they know that it's molech and they
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Brian
like it and they like it.
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Ben
You know, and Tucker has said, you know, Tucker's been swimming in these waters his whole life. He was raised in D.C. cIA connections, all this stuff. And you can say what you will about that. But Tucker has also said, like, and yeah, I've become more and more convinced the longer I've been here that so many of these people literally worship demons in their free time and they want America to be a Satanist hellscape.
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Brian
More on that in the hot clothes. I think it's time.
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Ben
Yeah, I think so too. Before we go into it, if you don't mind. I do just want to give some positives here. Like, again, why are we doing this? You want to expose the unfruitful works, obviously not participate in anything like this. But what are the do outs from an episode like this? Well, there are a few. 1. Remember where your true hope lies. Set your mind on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father. Set your mind on heavenly things and pursue the kingdom of God and His righteousness. And then watch what he does to bless your life and to protect you. But in line with that, remember to protect your family physically. Do the research and figure out what sex offenders, what threats may be around your home. Protect your family spiritually. You ought to be leading family worship regularly, like every weekday or every day. You should be praying and reading the Scriptures. You should be praying over your kids and for your kids and for your wife as well as for yourself, that God would protect you. And also you should remember that it is the Lord who vindicates. It is the Lord who takes revenge. It's the Lord who administers perfect justice. So if you walk away from this episode and rightly feel a deep, seething anger for all of the evil that you've heard about, do the right thing with that anger. Don't just be angry. Be angry and do not sin. Go to the Lord and pray that he would crush his enemies. Pray that he would vindicate the righteous. Pray that he would protect you. And go worship with the saints. Worship the living God. Love your wife, love your children, truly not in this corrupt way. And watch and see what the Lord does with all of human history and letting the darkness be overcome by his light.
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Brian
Good word, good word. Okay, let's go into this hot close and we're going to just hear some other layers to this that are frankly, kind of shocking.
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Ben
Yeah, thanks for listening. Sorry. In 1951, Ted Gunderson graduated from Quantico and became a special agent in the FBI. Over the next 28 years, he climbed the ranks and served with distinction, eventually leading the Memphis, Dallas and LA offices between between 1973 and 1979. In 79, he reached the final round of interviews for the position of FBI Director, but ultimately lost out to William Webster. After this, Gunderson left the Bureau and started his own private investigation firm in California. Just one year later, a case crossed his desk that would define his professional life more than any other. The case of Jeffrey McDonald. If you've never heard of MacDonald's case, then I envy you. No matter which side of the fence one lands on, it remains a story of gruesome violence and superlative tragedy. To make that long story short, MacDonald, a Green Beret doctor, lived at Fort Bragg, North Carolina with his wife and two daughters. In 1970. At 3:42am on February 17, military police dispatchers received a call from McDonald begging for help. When police arrived, they stepped into a scene, nothing short of hellish. The house was quiet and dark. The front door was closed and locked, but the back door stood completely ajar. A sergeant entered and hurried down the hall until he reached the master bedroom, whereupon he sprinted back outside, shouting for someone to call the medics. The Entire family, save McDonald, lay dead from stab wounds and blunt force trauma to the head. The details need not be explored here. As you might expect, Investigators immediately suspected MacDonald had done it. Despite maintaining his story with firm conviction. A civilian court convicted him in August of 1979. Thus began an appeals process that helped make this case one of the most litigated criminal cases in human history. And as part of his fight for freedom, McDonald enlisted Ted Gunderson to help uncover evidence that might exonerate him. This is where the story loosely ties back into the subject at hand. Because regardless of what one thinks about Jeff McDonald, Gunderson believed he uncovered something deeply sinister. If true, it has much to say about the culture Jeffrey Epstein swam in throughout his adult life. The story started to unfold for Gunderson when a woman named Helena Stokely came forward to offer her side of the events. She had never before been named in connection with the case, and. And so Gunderson initially had little hope for what she might say. But when he listened to her, he started to believe that she might actually be the key to finally bringing real closure to the MacDonald family. She claimed that on the night of the murders, she and four male friends got high on mescaline, drove to the McDonald house, broke in, subdued Jeffrey, and beat and stabbed the wife and daughters to death as representatives of a ritualistic satanic cult that they belonged to. I know crazy, but the cult needed sacrifice. It needed blood and bodies. Pure blood and pure bodies. And MacDonald's reputation for refusing to treat tweaker patients made his household an attractive target. Her version of the night aligned exactly with MacDonald's own version of the night, the one he had maintained for nearly a decade by the time Gunderson entered the picture. The one in which his wife's screams woke him up before three men attacked him while a woman looked on. The one in which they beat him hard enough to render him unconscious. The one in which he regained consciousness long enough to crawl to his daughter's rooms and try to resuscitate them before crawling back to his wife and covering her body with his pajama shirt. The one in which he looked up at the headboard over his bed and saw the word pig written in his wife's blood before calling police and blacking out again. Gunderson obtained affidavits from both Stokely and her mother, who also said her daughter had confessed these events to her multiple times over the years. He also had Stokely take a polygraph, which she passed, leading the test proctor to remark that she genuinely believed this was the truth. For Gunderson, this represented more than reasonable doubt. It pointed to a satanic cult committing ritual murder on a military installation. Ted Gunderson was beside himself. And then, overnight, it all vanished. Stokely changed her story. She denied ever having seen MacDonald before his trial. Publicity under threat of perjury, she officially declared that she had not been present for the murders, knew nothing about him, and had fabricated her previous claims. When asked why she lied and why her story changed, she gave no explanation other than insisting that it just wasn't true. True. Then, while lying on her deathbed at the tragically young age of 31, Stokely reverted to her original claims. As she died, she again declared MacDonald's innocence. She said that she had been present for the murders, that the killings were satanic in nature, and that the satanic cults were murdering others across the nation. These revelations sent Gunderson down a dark road. After the McDonald case came to a close, he continued investigating Stokely's claim and eventually became convinced that she had told the truth. He began warning people about satanic influence in high places and the systematic ritualistic abuse of children. He planted himself at the center of the infamous McMartin preschool case, investigating allegations that the McMartin family routinely sexually abused countless kids. A case that gave enormous momentum to the the Satanic panic of the 1980s. Gunderson himself became one of the leading voices of that satanic panic. Even after the initial wave died down. In 1995, one year before the allegations of Epstein's depravity surfaced publicly, Gunderson told conference attendees in Dallas, Texas, that a shadow government was attempting to establish a new world order. That this syndicate auctioned children off as sexual slaves to world world leaders, that elites performed child sacrifice in New York, and that a widespread network of evil operated in basically every major city, using secret underground tunnels to traffic their depraved contraband between buyers and sellers. For these claims, critics dismissed Gunderson as a far right conspiracy theorist. Countless people ignored, defamed, and slandered him. And he died forgotten and alone in. In Memphis, Tennessee, in 2011. But what if he was onto something. In 2019, a man named Yale Maloul wrote to the prosecutor's office in Paris, France, in order to report his suspicion of an international pedophilic network involving Jeffrey Epstein, a shadow operation of world elites finding their recreation in the most heinous crimes against humanity. As a consequence of this investigation, Jean Luc Brunel, a close associate of Epstein's and a prominent modeling agent, was arrested. He killed himself in Paris's La sante prison in 2022. All of this only to ask the question, do we really think Ted Gunderson was crazy? But now, what do we do with this? What do we do with 8,000 words of disgusting description about some of the most disgusting things imaginable? What do we do with all that we do not know, but have reason to suspect? What do we do with all that's evil in this world that we just can't directly control or majorly oppose? Actually, what we do is simple. It's why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the Lord and against his anointed saying, let us burst their bonds apart and cast away their cords from us. He who sits in the heavens laughs. The Lord holds them in derision. Then he will speak to them in his wrath and terrify them in his fury, saying, as for me, I have set my king on Zion, my holy hill. I will tell of the decree. The Lord said to me, you are my son. Today I have begotten you. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your heritage and the ends of the earth your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Now therefore, O kings, be wise, be warned. O rulers of the earth, serve the Lord with fear and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the sun, lest he be angry and you perish in the way, for his wrath is quickly kindled. Blessed are all who take refuge in him. Save me, O my God. And then we move on to Psalm 3. O Lord, how many are my foes? Many are rising against me. Many are saying of my soul, there's no salvation for him and God. But you, O Lord, are a shield about me, my glory and the lifter of my head. I cried aloud to the Lord, and he answered me from his holy hill. I lay down and slept. I woke again, for the Lord sustained me. I will not be afraid of many thousands of people who have set themselves against me all around. Arise, O Lord, save me. O my God, for you strike all my enemies on the cheek. You break the teeth of the wicked. Salvation belongs to the Lord. Your blessing be on your people.
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Brian
In disguise. Giant angel cries? We hear other lies? Moon ey children here to steal your soul? Bigfoot, skin walkers all from my control?
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Ben
I'm dangerous, fools, I'm so scared? All this mystery I'm not prepared? I'll take sa. Want more Haunted Cosmos, Then make your way over to Patreon, where you can get early access to our content, as well as exclusive content and regular dusty tomes and monthly live streams with Brian and myself. So go to patreon.com haunted cosmos and sign up now.