UFOs and Cryptid Shapeshifters!

Summary

Haunted Cosmos: "UFOs and Cryptid Shapeshifters!"

Podcast: Haunted Cosmos
Episode: Graveyard Shift #4
Hosts: Ben Garrett (A), Brian Sauvé (C)
Guest: Connor (B)
Date: October 22, 2025
Main Theme: Exploring a firsthand encounter on a California beach involving UFOs, cryptid shapeshifters, drum circles, and deep cosmic weirdness—a “Skinwalker Ranch in 10 minutes” experience.

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Episode Overview

The hosts of Haunted Cosmos are joined by Connor, who shares a surreal and terrifying personal story from a 2017 night at a San Diego beach. The tale encapsulates a series of bizarre phenomena—glowing orbs/UFOs, mysterious drumming, a shapeshifting creature, and an eerie old woman—explored with Skeptical humor, theological speculation, and references to legendary paranormal lore like Skinwalker Ranch.

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Key Discussion Points & Structure

1. Setting the Scene ([07:13])

• Connor’s Background: 19 years old at the time, spiritual (not yet Christian), dating his now-wife.
• Location: Secluded San Diego beach at sunset, alone with his girlfriend.
• Atmosphere: “Cool fall evening… the waves gently laughed at our feet… we remained talking the night away, alone on the beach, without a care in the world.” (B, [07:13])

2. First Phenomenon: The Orbs ([07:38]–[08:55])

• Observation:
  • Noticed a “pale blue light gently moved at a great distance” on the horizon ([08:11]).
  • Initially assumed to be a ship, then the light rose into the sky and split “like replicating cells, one into two, and then quickly, four.”
• Flight Behavior:
  • The orbs floated lazily, then began moving in a coordinated figure-eight pattern, increasing in speed and intensity.

“Five or so minutes went by and that distant ship appeared to be doing the impossible, lifting out of the water as it rose into the dark night sky. The single light split almost like replicating cells... one into two, and then quickly, four.” (B, [08:36])

3. Second Phenomenon: The Drumming in the Cave ([09:00])

• Discovery:
  • Heard “the distinct sound of drumming in a cave not 200 yards down the beach, illuminated by the warm flicker of a fire.”
  • Assumed to be a “hippie drum circle.”
• Correlation:
  • Drumming seemed to synchronize with the intensity/movement of the orbs.

“Around this time, another abnormality came to our attention, the distinct sound of drumming in a cave not 200 yards down the beach, illuminated by the warm glow and flicker of a fire.” (B, [09:00])
“The faster they’re drumming, the harder the lights are going and their little formations.” (B, [19:29])

4. Escalation: Dread, The Helicopter Sound, and The Creature ([09:40]–[10:55])

• Leaving:
  • Grew uneasy, decided to leave.
• Audio Phenomenon:
  • Heard an overwhelming “reverberating whooshing of a helicopter… from all angles… until we could not even hear one another’s shouting.” ([10:07])
  • No visible helicopter; the sound was enveloping and unexplained.
• The Cryptid:
  • Saw “a large, quadrupedal creature with a sharp pointed face that came galloping out of the surf… only a silhouette and for a moment.”

“[A] sound that could only be likened to a reverberating whooshing of a helicopter enveloped us from all directions… It was at this climactic time when I saw what still sends shivers down my spine to this day. It could only be described as a large, quadrupedal creature with a sharp pointed face that came galloping out of the surf.” (B, [10:54])

5. The Shapeshifter: The Old Woman ([11:00])

• Appearance:
  • Immediately after the creature vanished, an “old lady with an empty appearance” was sitting atop the stairs leading off the beach—seemingly having manifested instantly.
  • The group had not seen her before, and her presence felt deeply unsettling.

“A transient-looking old lady with an empty appearance sat coldly staring into the distance. She was not there before—we were sure of it.” (B, [11:05])

6. Aftermath and Analysis ([11:19] onward)

• Connor and his girlfriend race to their car, saturated with ‘a deep feeling of dread,’ and flee.
• Speculation/Deconstruction:
  • Hosts connect the events to Skinwalker Ranch stories: drumming, orbs, shapeshifters, portals.
  • Theorize about the “Shetland pony from hell” (creature)—morphing into the old woman.
  • Suggest a possible demonic origin; link to “hybrid seed” and “watcher” mythos in abduction lore.

“My meta theory is that the lights were, of course, demonic orbs, as we all know. And the… horse demon thing that ran out of the ocean… was in fact the Shetland pony from hell. And then it changed into the old woman.” (A, [21:10])

• Comparative Lore:
  • Reference to NIDS era at Skinwalker Ranch, where portals and inhuman creatures emerged ([30:13]–[31:12]).
  • Tie in to Orfeo Angelucci’s orb/splitting/manifestation encounter ([19:46]–[20:09]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Vivid Storytelling

• “We… sat on a beach in San Diego watching the sunset… as we gazed into the sky and the waves gently laughed at our feet, we began to notice an abnormality at the horizon.” (B, [07:17])
• “The single light split almost like replicating cells, one into two, and then quickly, four.” (B, [08:40])
• “It could only be described as a large, quadrupedal creature with a sharp pointed face that came galloping out of the surf.” (B, [10:54])
• “A transient looking old lady with an empty appearance sat coldly staring into the distance.” (B, [11:05])
• “A deep feeling of dread saturated my being to my bones.” (B, [11:15])

Comic Banter

• “The horse demon thing that ran out of the ocean was in fact the Shetland pony from hell. Then it changed into… he has shockingly clammy hands.” (A, [36:36])
• “10 out of five comments… Only men [can comment on Connor’s handsomeness]… but say ‘no homo’ though. Well it’s implied.” (A/C, [02:34])
• “If you’re a drummer, then, like, you need to repent.” (A, [33:48])

Listener Engagement

• “Listeners, it’s understated. We spent about five minutes before we started recording talking about how good of a glute muscle Connor has…” (A, [02:13])

Contrasts & Connections to Paranormal Lore

• “There’s a lot of Skinwalker Ranch adjacency…drumming, lights in the sky—a symbiotic thing where they’re like… the faster they’re drumming, the harder the lights are going and their little formations.” (A/B, [18:08]–[19:33])
• “You never saw anyone in the cave, did you?” “No.” (A/B, [32:47])
• “Sound really does have a way of tapping into things that we’re unfamiliar with… somehow it attracts the UFOs, and somehow a portal opens under the water.” (A, [33:07])

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Deep Dives & Analysis

Morphology of the Cryptid

• Creature Description: “Bigger than a dog, smaller than a horse… head like a traffic cone.” (B, [22:45])
• Shapeshifting Hypothesis: “So is that the speculation, that the Shetland pony became the old woman?” (A, [23:39])
  • “I did not [see anyone]. And she’s just there.” (B, [23:55])

UFO, UAP & Paranormal Overlap

• Swarming Drones Dismissed: “Drones existed [in 2017]… but you’d be spending a ton of money to put together multiple drones in a swarm. That happens.” (C, [12:27])
• Shape-shifting UAPs: “There are some UAP encounters that take on the shape of known craft but don’t do the right thing… like helicopter ones that are not helicopters. They don’t have rotors; they just fly like a spaceship.” (C, [27:35])

Personal Impact and Aftereffects

• Connor’s wife has had “a lot of weird poltergeist activity” (B, [35:01])
• The story left Connor and his girlfriend “with dread [saturating] my being to my bones.” ([11:15])

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Important Timestamps

• Connor begins his detailed story: [07:13]
• Orbs’ behavior described: [08:36]
• Cave drumming noticed: [09:00]
• Helicopter sound & creature appears: [10:07]–[10:54]
• Old woman manifests: [11:05]
• Hosts analyze Skinwalker Ranch themes: [18:08]–[19:33], [30:13]–[31:12]
• Discussion of connections to other UFO/cryptid cases: [19:46], [30:13]
• Connor’s description of the creature: [22:45]
• Theorizing about the unifying theory: [32:25]–[33:24]

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Tone and Style

• Hosts and guest are irreverent, skeptical, and often humorous.
  • Frequent jokes about “clammy hands” and “glute muscles”
  • Playful ribbing and speculation; blending pop culture, theology, and paranormal
• Language is casual, at times intentionally absurd or hyperbolic
  • “The Shetland pony from hell”
  • “Demons in your investment portfolio?”
  • “If you’re a drummer, you need to repent.”

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Conclusion

This Graveyard Shift episode of Haunted Cosmos delivers exactly what the title promises: a whirlwind encounter with the weirdest edges of the supernatural, analyzed with good-natured skepticism and giddy curiosity. The story itself is a rare synthesis of UFO, cryptid, shapeshifter, and ritual lore—told with memorable clarity and then dissected in a gregarious, community-inviting style.

Most Memorable Quote

“It could only be described as a large, quadrupedal creature with a sharp pointed face that came galloping out of the surf… As I looked back in terror, it was gone and a new character appeared. A transient-looking old lady with an empty appearance sat coldly staring into the distance. She was not there before—we were sure of it.”
— Connor ([10:54]–[11:05])

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For Further Engagement

• Listeners are invited to submit their own stories ([e-mail]).
• Patreon members get early/ad-free access to future Graveyard Shift episodes and season previews.

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Transcript

[A]

This episode is brought to you by Indigo Sundries Soap company Clean Soap Cleaner Body. In this episode of the Graveyard Shift we hear from a man named Connor who basically experienced all of Skinwalker ranch within about 10 minutes on a California beach.

[B]

It can only be described as a large quadrupedal creature with a sharp pointed face that came galloping out of the surf.

[C]

First time I heard this story, by the way, was I believe, at my dinner table, lowercase wut period.

[A]

All the kids were like screaming. Yeah.

[C]

Up on Mesa, Thomas Winter, they had their fleer camera.

[A]

The horse demon thing that ran out of the ocean was in fact the Shetland pony from hell. Then it changed into he has shockingly clammy hands. Why do you know that so well?

[B]

You hold hands. Pancake or French fry though.

[A]

Hey everybody. Welcome to the fourth installment of the Hante Cosmos Graveyard Shift. Very happy to be here with all of you and with my co host Brian Save, we are getting stoked.

[C]

How you guys liking Graveyard Shift so far? Let us know in the comments, like subscribe, leave us a 10 star review. Wherever they have those and nowhere is the answer.

[A]

That's true. You can comment 10 out of five.

[C]

Yeah, that's what we need. 10 out of five comments.

[A]

Also here with a very special guest, Mr. Connor along man.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Say hello to the people.

[B]

Happy to be here. Yes.

[C]

So good to have you. But before we get into the story that we have and it is a juicy one, I've heard it several times. The first time I heard this story, by the way, was I believe, at my dinner table.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And I was just like.

[B]

I just got casually dropped it at the.

[C]

It was like dinner table lowercase wut, period.

[A]

All the kids were like screaming.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I was like, this actually happened. And you're like, yeah.

[B]

I think your kids were just laughing.

[C]

They were. And you were so like, which they don't know. You were so understated about it that it was like. Yeah, you know, like I went to Smith's today. I got. Honestly, it's a lot like.

[A]

It's a lot like your posterior body.

[C]

Like we spent.

[A]

Listeners, it's understated.

[C]

We spent about five minutes before we started recording talking about how good of a glute muscle Connor has.

[A]

Now look, we're not trying to make anyone stumble, but comment how handsome you think Conor is.

[C]

He's taken. He's married, he has children. Leave him alone. But, but before we get great ladies.

[A]

Ladies are not allowed to comment. How handsome. Only guys.

[C]

Only men.

[B]

Yeah, thank you. That's righteousness Only you say no homo, though.

[C]

Well, it's implied.

[A]

But it's.

[C]

It's implied. How. How old were you when the story that you're going to tell today took place?

[B]

Well, it was in 2017, so I think I was about 19. Wow, 19 years young. Dang.

[A]

So that makes you 28.

[B]

20. I'm 26. Maybe. I did the math.

[A]

Okay, wait. Well, I think I did the math.

[B]

I guess maybe I was 18 then. Yeah. Anyways, anyways, anyways.

[A]

But you were with your now wife.

[B]

My now wife.

[A]

Y' all were dating at the time, Correct. Okay, yeah.

[B]

We had some weird stuff happen in the first.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, if you did. Yeah. Like, if this is one of many.

[C]

This is one of. Okay, that kind of takes the cake. Here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna have you tell the story. We're just gonna kind of let you not interrupt a lot. Just let you tell the story. And then we might have some questions afterward.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Some follow up, some like. Wait, what kind of questions?

[A]

Let me, if I may, lay a little bit of context down to the listener. If you're not a patron of the show, then you will not recognize Connor.

[C]

That's true, actually.

[A]

If you are a patron of the show, you might remember Connor from a dusty tome from quite a long time ago, years ago, where we had him tell his story and Brian and I obnoxiously interrupted him the entire time, constantly such that you probably have no idea what the story is even if you went back and listened right now.

[B]

I appreciate it.

[A]

We're going to let you actually tell the story. Yeah, we are. Do you.

[B]

Do you want, like, the whole shebang? Like, all the details?

[A]

The whole shebang?

[C]

Get us. Get us deep.

[B]

I want you storytelling voice in a world.

[A]

In a world, In a world.

[C]

Tell us the whole thing. Set it up. How you know.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

How did you end up in this situation? What happened? What?

[A]

Like, it all started in 1997 when I was born.

[C]

Okay, zoom forward a little bit.

[B]

We got to go way back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Let's hear it.

[A]

Brian. I got bad news the other day. I was using one of the big box soap products to wash myself, and I got this weird urge to go buy a Stanley cup and fill it with iced coffee. And it started to feel a little cold in the house. I just wanted to wrap myself up in, like, a heavy wool blanket. And then also I started googling ticket prices to Taylor Swift concerts.

[C]

Ben, what are you doing? Don't you know that these big box soap companies just Jam all their soaps full of hormone disrupting chemicals. They're probably turning you into a girl.

[A]

Well, I know that now, but what am I supposed to do about it?

[C]

And you ignorant Normie, all you've needed to do is go to indigosundrysoap.com and support a great Christian family business that's making all sorts of soaps that are completely free of hormone disrupting chemicals and other nasties.

[A]

Okay, I am literally going to indigosundrysoap.com right now. Tell me what to buy.

[C]

Ben, what I would recommend doing is clicking on bundles and then selecting the best one for you. You could get the men's six pack. You could get my favorite, the clay bundle.

[A]

Ooh, I like the pipe and jug bundle. That seems cool. Or a men's six pack, because that'll make me feel like I have something that I actually don't.

[C]

So true, King. And you know what else I heard? Because they're such good friends of the show, Indigo Sundries Soap Company is offering 10% off your order if you just use all caps, discount code Haunted Cosmos, no spaces.

[A]

Wait, Brian, you're going way too fast. I didn't get all that. Is that information in the show description?

[C]

Ben, you ignorant Normie. It's always in the show description.

[A]

Okay, so I'm gonna go to indigosundrysoap.com I'm gonna pick the men's six pack bundle and I'm gonna use code Haunted Cosmos at checkout. All caps, no spaces. And if I forgot all that, it's in the description of the show.

[C]

Of course, Ben. And if you just do that, then you will stop wanting to do all of those girly things and maybe you'll, I don't know, maybe wanna buy a classic car to restore or something dignified.

[A]

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[B]

All right, so it was a cool fall evening. 2017. My wife and I, just dating at the time, sat on a beach in San Diego watching the sunset and enjoying one another's company. We were unfortunately not Christian at the time, but we were self proclaimed spiritual people, whatever that meant. We had an interest in the otherworldly, but in no means were seeking it. And it's worth noting due to the nature of the occurrence, we were indeed of sober mind. So on that evening, as the sun dropped below the horizon and the stars appeared in the sky, we remained talking the night away, alone on the beach, without a care in the world. As we gazed into the sky and the waves gently laughed at our feet, we began to notice an abnormality at the horizon. Do you like the descriptive this is amazing.

[C]

This is so good.

[A]

I am immersed. I hope Right now I really have a field day.

[C]

I'm descending into the story.

[B]

I hope so. You know, keep it.

[C]

Keep going King.

[B]

Anyways, you want a job with Hana Cosmos? You know I got four days off so I could work that answer A pale blue light gently moved at a great distance. It's probably just a ship, I suggested, and we remained conversing. Five or so minutes went by and that distant ship appeared to be doing the impossible, lifting out of the water as it rose into the dark night sky. The single light split almost like replicating cells, one into two, and then quickly, four. Those four pale blue lights demanded our attention, lazily moving through the sky. This was rather strange to us, but it was hastily dismissed as a satellite or something similar. Around this time, another abnormality came to our attention, the distinct sound of drumming in a cave not 200 yards down the beach, illuminated by the warm glow and flicker of a fire. Once again our youthful ignorance excused excused this as some hippie drum circle, certainly not harming us. We watched the strange orbs lull through the night sky, almost like our own personal light show. This was until we noted that they were moving in what looked like a pattern and somewhat of a figure 8. They were gaining in speed and intensity. I was getting uneasy, but still I was trying to remain cool and collected for my new girlfriend. I didn't want to give the impression that I startle easily, especially at silly things like lights in the sky or a couple of hippies with a drum. I suggested that we were we should get going as it was getting late, probably an hour or more after sunset. She agreed, to my relief. As we got up, I heard the drums intensify and once again I glanced up at the now familiar orbs in the sky as we walked hand in hand There was an urgency as we walked the quarter mile so to the stairs to leave. The drums were fading at our backs, but another noise was taking its place. A sound that could only be likened to a reverberating whooshing of a helicopter enveloped us from all directions, coming at us with ever growing volume and intensity from all angles. We were running at this point and it filled our ears until we could not even hear one another's shouting. It was at this climactic time when I saw what still sends shivers down my spine to this day. It could only be described as a large, quadrupedal creature with a sharp pointed face that came galloping out of the surf. It was only a silhouette, and for a moment, but as I looked back in terror, it was gone and a new character appeared. A transient looking old lady with an empty appearance sat coldly staring into the distance. She was not there before we were sure of it. As we went scrambling up to the parking lot, a deep feeling of dread saturated my being to my bones. We reached the car and sped off, feeling lucky to have escaped this unknown, mysterious force.

[A]

It's like hearing it for the first time. It's just I have so many thoughts and questions. Yeah, yeah, okay. Questions first.

[C]

Yeah, okay, question. So, yeah, let me just make sure I have the order right.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

So you're nice.

[A]

Well done.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Yeah, thank you, thank you.

[B]

I actually wrote that two years ago and y' all didn't let me tell it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So that's.

[A]

Man, we really missed out.

[C]

That is why we're doing this now. Okay. So you are, you know, nice. Classic San Diego. You guys lived in California at the time.

[B]

San Diego.

[C]

Classic date night in San Diego. You got your girl, you got the beach. You're chatting, you're looking out. You. You're like, man, don't I look strong? She's like, yeah, you do look strong. Wow, that's amazing.

[A]

Weren't you really skinny at the time?

[B]

I was kind of a string bean at the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All right, so.

[C]

Well, she knew you could. She was like, he's got the genes.

[A]

Yeah, she saw the potential.

[C]

Yeah, she saw the potential. So you're. You're just sitting there. All of a sudden, you have some UAP going on, some aerial phenomena. What is. This is it. And this is kind of like 20, 2017. Drones existed.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, but drones have gotten so much better every year and more cheap and available.

[B]

They were only for, like, big nerds at the time.

[C]

Yeah, like, you'd be spending a ton of money to. To like put together multiple drones that are all in a swarm that like with parallax look like they're one thing and then split and split again. That happens. Fast forward hippie drum circle in the cave. Did you see those people beforehand?

[B]

No, like, no. The way that the, the beach we were on is, is essentially their parking lot is kind of at the top of the cliffs.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And then you have a set of stairs and switchbacks that kind of go down probably about 100ft.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

From the parking lot down to the beach. And then it's kind of a series of cliffs and craggy little bits that go back and kind of like cave esque type feels going on. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Kind of cool. But. Yeah, I guess a lot of places for, for strange folks to, to do weird things as well.

[C]

Was it like a switch turned on and all of a sudden the drums were just there and you didn't see anybody go over there? It was just.

[B]

No, we know. We didn't notice anybody. I don't know if we were just so, you know, invested in our conversation or what was going on. Yeah, I was trying to be a cool guy. Yeah. I don't know.

[C]

Takes a lot of energy for some.

[B]

For me, you know, Me too. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, me not for. He's effortless, especially after losing all that weight.

[C]

He is. Effortlessly. Okay, so that's next then. What was the next part after that? Was it the we should go, the lights are getting crazy? Is that what it was?

[B]

No, we kind of just sat.

[C]

You sat and watched for a while.

[B]

Because we, we saw the light on the horizon and it was kind of at the very far horizon and there's trade routes and ships and everything. I'm like, it's probably a ship or, you know. And then we kind of saw it, you know, drifting from the far horizon up into the sky. I'm like, huh, weird.

[A]

Maybe not a ship.

[B]

Not a ship. I guess it's a satellite. Which, you know, Elon Musk wasn't doing anything too crazy at the time. But you know, they were out there.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But yeah, so that flew up in the sky and then it started doing some meiosis, if you will.

[C]

Oh, nice.

[B]

Good use splitting. Splitting from one to another. Good use. Really odd.

[A]

10Th grade biology, you know, what is it, meiosis or mitosis?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

I remember that in mitochondria, the powerhouse.

[C]

Of the mitochondria, the powerhouse. Everybody knows.

[B]

Everybody.

[C]

Everybody knows that. Yeah. So you got the, the lights. What is it that made you stand up and say like, we should go. That's the part I was trying to remember.

[B]

You know, I think I just started to get kind of uneasy.

[A]

But you just said, like, it's late. Yeah, we should head out, because it.

[B]

Was probably, you know, it was a. It was a while after the sun went down. We were kind of night owls.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

We just, like, find any reason to be out.

[C]

You got your girl, you got the beach.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. What could go wrong? I mean, what could go wrong?

[C]

Apparently a lot.

[A]

So the. It was after sunset that you saw the lights. Obviously. It was also after sunset that you started to hear the drumming and see, like, the. The fire flickering in the cave.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I'm not making that up.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You saw, like, a light coming out of the cave.

[B]

There was a light. Okay. There was a distinct light.

[A]

How long after sunset was that?

[B]

It was dark. It was like, it was properly dark. So it wasn't just, you know, dusk or anything like that. So it was. It was probably an hour after sunset.

[A]

And then how. Like, estimate how long you were watching, how long this whole thing happened. Like, from the. From seeing the lights to the creepy old demon lady as y' all were running up the stairs.

[B]

I would want to say probably in the timeframe of about 45 minutes to when I was.

[A]

Oh, so that's like a lengthy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then what time. Do you remember what time it was when you got back in the car?

[B]

I want to say it was, like, roughly 10ish.

[A]

I am insisting that there's missing time somehow.

[C]

Oh, Ben's fishing for missing time.

[A]

I'm going to insist that somehow, even though we have no way of proving it, there was a time.

[C]

Did you go back to, like, Mary Antoinette's Paris?

[B]

There's. It's possible, like, that. It's possible. I don't quite remember it.

[C]

You just wouldn't remember it, really? If you say we don't remember it, anything could happen. Did you see Elvis? So you're. You're on the beach, you're playing it cool. You're like, hey, hey, hey, girl, let's go. Let's. Let's get back to the car. It's getting late. I gotta get you home in a reasonable time. Gentlemen.

[A]

It's kind of late.

[C]

You're really terrified. Tripping.

[A]

What I love, by the way, what I love is that, like, not a word shared between you guys because of the whooshing of the helicopter, but you're both running. Yeah, this is the.

[C]

One of the. Okay, the weird thing coming out of the ocean is pretty weird, but it Actually one of the weirder elements that is could get lost is that as you walked, the helicopter noise. You never saw a helicopter. And it was like coming from all directions.

[B]

Correct.

[C]

Right. Like it was filling the air.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

And it was light enough for you to see the old lady and the.

[B]

Beach, even though it was dark, I will say, like at the beach with I think the moon and everything, it never gets like, never gets super dark.

[D]

Right.

[A]

But that's, but that's what I'm saying is like you would think that because it was light enough to see all that, if it had been a helicopter, right. You would have at least been like, there's the helicopter.

[B]

Right.

[C]

What would a helicopter be like that close to hear it that loud? Like what would it be doing? How close?

[A]

And there was like the Coronado Training center.

[B]

It's probably 30, 30 miles north.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. So not that close. Like not right next door.

[B]

No. Okay. Certainly not.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Do you know Navy seals back when I was in buds?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I was never in buds.

[A]

That was stolen.

[C]

That was. It was like unattempted stolen valor.

[B]

Very poorly done.

[C]

No, that, that is interesting. I didn't think about.

[A]

So the. I just want to talk through all the elements of this that are making me think of a ton of other stories that we see. So there's a lot of Skinwalker Ranch.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Adjacency with. Especially with the drumming.

[C]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

Do you remember when they had that native group in?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Like, and they were doing the drumming and then the spiral on top of the mesa started heating the mesa.

[C]

Yeah. Thomas Winter. They had their flir camera forward looking eyes in the sky. But they were, they had the native. This is what they always do in these shows. They have my people out. Yeah, no, they have the native come out and they're like, let's find the most nativey natives that we can find. And they come out and then they make up a bunch of stuff about their oral tradition. It's just made up. They didn't write anything down. Like, it's just made up. They couldn't even spell. And they start drumming. I'm like offending every single person. But he's native, so I'm native, it's fine. I'm Chippewa. So you start drumming and it was weird because it had gotten dark. Nothing should be getting hotter. Right. There's no heat energy being put into the system.

[A]

Yeah. And the spiral, it was started very localized. Like right there.

[C]

Right there.

[A]

So that, that made me think of Skinwalker Ranch. Like there's this drumming. And in league with the drumming, there is lights in the sky.

[B]

It did seem to be somewhat correlated.

[A]

Like a symbiotic thing where they're like.

[B]

The faster they're drumming, the harder the lights are going and their little formations.

[A]

Yeah, see, that's dang. Okay, then the other thing that I was thinking, you remember, the listeners won't have heard this yet, but in a future episode of Hana Cosmos, you'll hear us tell a story about Orpheo Angelucci.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And he saw one orb, and then it went up in the sky, split into two, and those two came back down. And what was manifested from those two was a mental image of beings.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

So it wasn't like a being ran up to him, but it was similar in that, like, from the orbs, there eventually came the manifestation of this thing.

[C]

He was interacting with them. Yeah, he discerned. And a lot of UAP encounters that aren't even of the kind where there's an alien scene or some, you know, alleged alien. They will still get the sense that the thing, the phenomenon, is interacting with them specifically. Like, did you have any feeling that they knew that it knew that you were watching it and it was doing this for you, or was it just like, huh, I wonder what that is?

[B]

I felt like from our perspective, we were more so a fly on the wall, what was going on with these.

[A]

Cave hippies, but you were still feeling this, like, weight of dread. Yeah. See? And that, like, that's almost personal a little bit.

[C]

That's scary.

[A]

My meta theory is that the lights were, of course, demonic orbs, as we all know. And the thing that the. The horse demon thing that ran out of the ocean, which, like.

[B]

Shetland pony from hell.

[A]

Yeah, the Shetland pony from hell was in fact the Shetland pony from hell. And then it changed into the old woman, and she now walks among us as a demonic watcher, Nancy Pelosi, who's. Yes. Who's trying to origin story. Well, this is kind of how the abductions happen, right? Is they, like, take human form. Well, not all the time. They take human form and then they try to, like, recruit people and then they're trying to get that hybrid seed.

[C]

Yeah. That is a shockingly common refrain in the stories, like a very creepily recurring theme.

[A]

And so what if we're getting a glimpse into, like, the dance, Some of the physical means that are being used to actually, like, they're trying to figure it out. Yeah.

[C]

Wait, wait, what do people like to see? Weird, crazy demon horses? No, no, that's not. Wait No, a person, an old woman.

[A]

Who just appears out of nowhere.

[C]

Did she ever point, like, a bony finger at you and say, I will get you, Connor?

[B]

It kind of felt like she was going to.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Did she look at you now? She just had, like, this, like, dead look in her eye of just, like, looking out.

[A]

How far away from you was she?

[B]

Well, she was kind of sitting right at where the switchbacks to go back up to the parking lot were.

[A]

Seriously?

[B]

Yeah. So we kind of had to, like, do, like, a moment.

[C]

Whoa. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

I didn't know he was that close.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Here's what I want to know. Tell us more about the creature. What is that? Little pony from hell?

[B]

So I think originally sitting at your dinner table, I described it as bigger than a dog, smaller than a horse.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Head like a traffic cone.

[C]

That is exactly how you describe it. Yes. This was the point listener where I was like.

[A]

It was little.

[C]

Repeat that, little Sebastian. Because it's like. It's a UAP story with some weird kind of drumming and everything. And. And then I'm like, oh, feeling of dread. Oh, this is going to be in the story. They get in their car, they leave, and then all of a sudden, her Connor just casually drops. Yeah. Then this creature, like, scuttled out of the ocean. It was quadrupedal. It was smaller than a horse, bigger than a dog, and I had traffic cone head. I was like, what?

[A]

Like, wait, what?

[C]

Then he's like, hold on, hold on. HELICOPTER NOISES and then I was like, surely it's over. He's like, hold up, old woman.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[C]

Maybe morphed from traffic on creature.

[A]

Yeah. So is that the speculation that the. The. The Shetland pony became the old woman?

[B]

I mean, I didn't see. I was pretty aware and alert of, like, what the heck is going on? So I feel like I would have noticed.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

A transient on the beach.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know.

[A]

And you didn't.

[B]

I did not.

[A]

And she's just there.

[B]

She's just there and it. And then the timeframe of us reaching where she was and us seeing her, it was like, right there.

[A]

So this is what I. All right, so walk. You have decided it's time to go.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You start walking.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

HELICOPTER WHOOSHING Yes. Start, like, picking up into a jog, maybe.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So we're walking pretty quick.

[A]

Yeah. And then you look back and see the Shetland pony from hell.

[B]

Affirmative.

[A]

And then you turn back and there's the old woman. Like, was it that quick?

[B]

There was probably about a quarter mile that we had to go. So it kind of started.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Started as like a. Like a good speed walk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, of. Of walking. We were. We're hand in hand, kind of just going for it. Hands getting a little sweaty.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. My hand's always sweaty. I know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It would have started.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, if nothing had happened. My hand.

[C]

Yes. Shockingly clammy hands.

[A]

Why do you know that so Well, I.

[C]

You know what, though? I really do know this.

[B]

You hold hands. Pancake or French fry, though. That matters.

[A]

See, I mean, that.

[C]

Or Ben and his wife.

[B]

It's okay. It's okay. We don't hold.

[A]

When my wife and I were dating, you know, she would just like at random intervals let go of my hand and wipe her hand on her and then like, put it back.

[B]

That's Ross.

[A]

And it's just too.

[C]

Too clammy.

[A]

Yeah, it's pretty gross. But I mean, we got married, so you.

[C]

You. You pulled it down.

[B]

What a winner.

[A]

Anyway.

[C]

Yeah, so that part I am a little unclear on. You're. You're. When you saw her, was it like she was in a similar place or a totally different place than the creature?

[B]

The old woman?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. So essentially we were walking down the beach or.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, we start hearing the whooshing.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And for the record, there was no air movement. There was no rotor wash. There was no sand getting kicked up.

[C]

Okay. Yeah. That is important.

[B]

So the sound is coming from all directions. Right. So it's filling our ears. We can't. We're shouting like, what the heck is going on?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

We start running and I look over my shoulder because I kind of catch it out of my periphery. There's some movement on the surf. I look over and I'm like, what the heck is that? Keep going. Look back again, it's gone. Other side of the beach.

[A]

Old woman. Old woman.

[C]

Okay, so if it was a morphing situation, it was like a teleporting super.

[A]

Speed which I 100% believe is what happened.

[B]

Right.

[C]

How fast?

[A]

Having not been there.

[C]

Have you ever clocked an old woman at a full run?

[A]

That's the thing. Like how woman really going to move?

[B]

She could have been pretty quick.

[A]

Yeah, she had like been dropped from a great height. She been pretty quick.

[C]

Yeah, because I'm saying, like last time I clocked an old woman, she was like six, seven miles an hour, tops.

[A]

And that's a full. She's in that and her hips disintegrated.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So if you get like one with a. With a fresh. Freshly replaced hip, though.

[C]

Fresh hip.

[B]

Yeah, that could be the true story.

[C]

That could be.

[B]

That could be part of the titanium hardware going on.

[C]

This is just such a weird story that it's so. It's like. It is very skinwalker ranch. You have like five different types of things that each of them could be their own. Like for example, even the helicopter thing. There are some UAP encounters that are take on the shape of known craft like jets or helicopters, but they don't do the right thing. They'll like not have rotors. So it's like they're trying.

[A]

I just love how you started that. Like some UFOs are actually just helicopters.

[C]

They will take.

[B]

Is this a joke?

[C]

For example, people have described seeing tiny F117. Yeah, like they're just absurdly. They're not an F117 obviously to anybody who's not an idiot, but they kind of look like one. Or helicopter ones that are not helicopters. They don't have rotors. They. They do things that they can't do. Like they'll just woo. Just fly like. Like an. Like a spaceship. So.

[B]

So you believe the aliens are demons?

[A]

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[A]

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[A]

Let me lay this on you.

[C]

Lay it on me.

[A]

All right, riddle me this. So what if we just assume for the moment that the orbs opened up some kind of portal under the waves, the Shetland pony came out, became the old woman. Let's just, like, say that.

[C]

Let's assume that.

[A]

Are there any stories that mirror that? Yes. From the NIDS era of Skinwalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch. There were some guys that were keeping watch over this, like, high density activity area at night. Toward Homestead 2? Yeah, toward Homestead 2. They all of a sudden see this portal open and a being crawls out that is humanoid. Ish. But it's on all fours. It's very inhuman. And it just kind of goes away into the forest. Now then you have stuff with, like, the dire wolf, like those wolves that are unkillable. What if it was like that but reverse, where they almost came out of the portal more humanoid, and then they took on a different form to terrify.

[C]

Flip flop.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

It started as a weird creature.

[A]

It started as an old lady, if you will.

[C]

Oh, so you're saying like, flip, flop, flop, flop.

[A]

And then it became the Shetland pony from hell. But this one is.

[B]

It started hell.

[C]

It was Cryptid, like, and then.

[A]

And then it was more human, like crone, like. Yeah.

[C]

Title for this episode.

[A]

Cryptids and Crohn's Winches and a beach experience.

[C]

A San Diego beach experience. Tell us in the comments what the title of this video did this see?

[A]

The Undead Little Sebastian.

[C]

Ben's YouTube titles are on point. And it's so funny to see the difference between the YouTube people and podcast people, because for, like, 10 minutes, we copied the YouTube titles for season five over to the podcast, and people immediately started tweeting at us. They're like, guys, this is. These are ridiculous titles. And the YouTube people are like, no, I like the all caps six exclamation points too.

[B]

You got to give the people.

[A]

It's not clickbait.

[C]

Was zozo the Demon coming for you?

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Well, so you got a lot of different phenomena. It's very skinwalker adjacent. It's hard to. To have a unifying theory of Connor's experience. Other than just W. U.

[A]

Other than, like. To me, the unifying theory is that somehow all of these things are connected and that they're calling up or calling down, you know, powers. Like, I really do think the drumming is important. I don't know. Maybe they didn't know that it was important, whoever was drumming, if anyone was drumming. You never saw anyone in the cave, did you?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. So never. Never saw anyone over there in the cave. Did the drumming stop when the whooshing came in? Maybe you couldn't hear it.

[B]

I don't think we could hear it because we were also a ways away at that point.

[A]

We were starting back, but I'm just like. Maybe the unified theory is that somehow all these things are connected somehow. Sound really does have a way of tapping into things that we're unfamiliar with that we should probably just not try to tap into. And somehow it attracts the UFOs, and somehow a portal opens under the water.

[C]

Ben at his most skits. This has been his most schizo. And of course, if you drum, a.

[A]

Demon horse will get you drums.

[C]

Are some little kids listening to this? Practicing his drums in his basement. He just stops.

[A]

Yeah. I don't want the demon horse to get me. No, I mean, if you. If you're a drummer, Martina McBride. If you're a drummer. If you're a drummer, then, like, you need to repent.

[B]

That's rough.

[C]

Martina McBride, actually. Excellent.

[A]

Yeah. Great job.

[B]

You know, it's funny. A couple of friends and I were talking about what instruments would probably be in heaven. Yeah. And we're probably. We were saying probably everything except for drums, because drums are going to be in hell.

[C]

What?

[A]

I would. I would take that.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

I would take you guys.

[C]

Drum hate. Drum disrespect.

[A]

No, we don't hate drums. It's just like, if you. If you got.

[C]

We just want him to go to hell.

[A]

No, if you got to be neighbors with somebody.

[C]

I am neighbors with a guy who practices his drums. That's rough.

[B]

I grew up. I grew up next to a guy who practiced drums. His name was Doug. And you always knew when Doug was. Was jamming.

[C]

Was he good in the cave?

[B]

He was actually kind of good.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah, but it's still. Yeah, there's a difference, too. Like a jazz drummer versus, like, Danny Carey from Tool.

[C]

Like, just blasting.

[B]

Where. Yeah.

[C]

Double kick.

[A]

Everything is a double kick. Yeah.

[C]

He's like playing Mary Had a Little Lamb with a. With a dough.

[A]

Well, look, that's an insane story.

[C]

It really is.

[A]

I have made all the connections that I had.

[C]

I have questions.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[C]

No, I have more. Because other things. You've had other experiences or.

[A]

Or what?

[C]

Any Anything else, man?

[B]

Not for this episode.

[C]

Anything strange, huh?

[B]

Just in general.

[C]

In general, man.

[B]

My wife's had some weird stuff happen.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Anything you can give us a little. Just. Just a little, you know, like a taste of it was, you know, like, did a poltergeist ever. A lot of.

[B]

A lot of weird. Yeah, just that. A lot of weird poltergeist type activity.

[C]

Guys, thanks for listening to this episode of Haunted Cosmos, this special graveyard shift edition. Again, if you like what we're doing here, let us know because we have quite a few slots in the next year where we could do more of this. And if you like it, we definitely will. We've also set up an email. Martina, is it? Storieshehauntedcosmos.com Storieshehauntedcosmos.Com Send us an email. You don't have to give us a whole novel, but just say, synopsis, here's my story. Or you can write it out and send it to us and we might have you call in and tell your story on the next graveyard shift next time we do this. So definitely check that out. And also during the month of October, obviously we've been releasing one of these every Wednesday, but you can also jump on our Patreon and get access to our live streams. We've been doing a couple live streams in the month of October as well, just for patrons. They can actually ask questions live and we can either answer them or go off into a wild tangent totally unrelated to anything they've ever said. And that's just a great way to support the show and also to get some great benefits. So check out patreon.com haunted cosmos. Any last words, gentlemen, before we sign off?

[A]

Nope. We. It's also, if you become a patron, you'll get access to the final graveyard shift for this little chunk. Early. Early. If you just can't wait for the next one, check that out. Early and ad free. Yeah, that's it for me though. I think we can. Are they.

[C]

Are they also listening to the next season already Season six?

[A]

Yes, they are. Yes, they are. So the top two tiers of patronage, whatever those upper two tiers are, I can never remember. Sasquatch, photographer, encrypted hunter. They are well into season six. Yeah. Listening to that early and ad free. So if that interests you, you can go on over to Patreon, become one of those top two tiers, and you will get access to season six before anyone else.

[C]

Before anyone else.

[A]

Like, well, before anyone else.

[C]

You can boast to all your friends and then repent because that would be a sin.

[A]

Yes. No boasting.

[C]

All right, well, thanks again, Connor. Great to have you.

[B]

Thanks for having me.

[A]

Appreciate you, Ben.

[C]

Thanks for being here with me.

[A]

Hey, glad to be here. Thank you for being here with me.

[C]

So good to be here.

[A]

Brian is sitting on a cushion.

[C]

I am.

[A]

Because he wanted to look taller.

[C]

Well.

[A]

And I think with that, keep a ready sword and have a great rest of your day.