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From an astrological perspective, what could unfold in the next two years?
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This has never happened before. In the summer of 2026, all the outer planets have changed signs.
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People fear Mercury in retrograde.
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This is what drives me nuts. It's just an indicator to slow down
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and review as we move into the age of Aquarius. What are we moving towards?
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So what we're entering now is individuality. But the problem is it leaves us isolated.
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I think a lot of people think it happens once. What is the Saturn return? When does it come into our lives?
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Saturn's not very nice.
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What would you recommend for people to navigate these times more gracefully?
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That's a great question. I would first say, what if your
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birth chart holds clues for the lessons your soul came here to learn? Welcome back to the Healing and Human Potential podcast. In this episode, we explore how astrology can reveal your karmic patterns, bring clarity to what you're here to grow into, and offer insights into what the years may hold for humanity. We'll also unpack the four elements, the age of Aquarius AI Saturn returns, and how astrology can help us understand ourselves even deeper. I just wanted to start off with talking about something that I think is gonna serve a lot of people, which is if our birth chart can reveal karmic lessons that we were carrying from
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past lives, that's 100% yes. Yeah, I mean, you don't need astrology to look at it. All you have to do is look at your life and see, oh, I have this repetitive pattern. Or, oh, my God, my mother drives me crazy. Well, guess what? You had her for the last three lifetimes or I can't figure out. I'm so interested in art since I was born. These are indicators of the inheritance. So does the chart echo that? Yes. But what it really shows you is the karma, like, where the conflicts appear. And I can look at a chart. That's why people love getting readings. I can look at the chart and say, this is where your karma is. And I can put it into words. That's the real advantage of astrology, is the articulation of an abstract concept. Like, what is karma? It's a funny word. It's a Sanskrit word. We use it like we know what we're talking about, but really it just implies the repetitive patterns that can continually come back and how you meet certain people, and immediately you love them. As soon as you meet, you're like, why does that feel familiar? And other people, you're like, oh, are you back? And you can't get rid of them.
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Yeah. For people that are like, just thinking about how do I understand how to use this life as opportunities. Would there be something around the North Node to support us in learning how to, like, grow into those lessons?
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That's a great question. I would first say the therapeutic value of astrology is less about the specific. I could give you details and speak jargon and then you'd go, oh, that was interest. Nothing will stick. I do. When I teach astrology, I really value making it simple in English. So. Yes. Does the North Node contribute to your higher self? Does the rising sign, better known as the Ascendant, tell me your soul, you little Pisces rising over there. Do I get clues about what the life lesson is from Saturn? There's very simple indicators that a beginner astrologer or someone just fascinated. But if you're asking me, as a seasoned astrologer, how would we look at, like, there's a lot of factors that would describe. I wouldn't point to one thing.
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Okay.
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Gestalt. It's a whole. And it is. The handicap right now with astrology is it's kind of cheap. Like, you go on TikTok and you go on Instagram and there's all this jargon, and it's very valuable. My gift in teaching and it's psychotherapeutic. It's using your life story to give me the clue of what's going on. And then I back into the chart versus telling you what the chart says before I have a reality check. And it's letting the client reveal to you the symptoms of their karma and then backing into it rather than predicting it and pretending that you're a psychic. And there's so much fun stuff with astrology that to me, to be perfectly honest, it's okay to say is kind of dippy.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And it makes me mad. But I can't say that because I'm glad they're all studying it. I just wish they'd take it a notch deeper.
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So that notch deeper is really listening to the person in front of you and what is actual their experience, rather than saying, here's your chart and this is your experience. Similar to a doctor.
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Exactly. Exactly. And a really good psychotherapist, which we both are. The listening. I tattooed on my arm the word listen and silent have the same letters that in order to really listen to someone, you can't have astrology jar and running in your head. You wanna stop time and actually make the encounter so deep. And then when you start to notice that, wow, there's karmic implications right here in the chart that you just revealed. Way more interesting.
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Yeah. The way that I like to use it, and I'm still new with the astrology game, is more about if I'm going through something, I wanna use it to say, oh, help me gain clarity about what I may be using this opportunity to grow into. Because I think that subconsciously I can set myself up to create something rather than use it more as like a reflect. How do I use this for my growth and healing?
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Yes. I just had breakfast this morning with a young woman I've known for many, many years who just walked into Saturn Return. It's so funny. She just walked into Saturn Return. She's a trained astrologer and she was like, I didn't think it was going to happen to me. And then right when it hit exact degree, after five years, she broke up with her sweetheart and she thought for sure, like, this won't happen to me. But it is so accurate. So, yes, at those junctures where life is doing something, you're getting married, you're getting divorced, you're thinking of having a baby. That's a great time to have a chart reading because there are clear indicators to say the stars are in your favor or stay home.
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Can you share more about how you'd recommend to use astrology for people?
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The best way to use it is to find an authentic professional astrologer and say, I'm either just plain old curious, that's a really good excuse, especially in your younger years. That's when I found it. Or I'm in this really confused relationship, or I just got diagnosed with something. Can you look at the chart and just see, did something just activate? Because we know this at some point, symptoms are often related to repressed emotional content. So help me unpack it and let's see if we could do a miracle. So there's all kinds of ways to use astrology. The variable is, is it a good astrologer?
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Yeah.
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And there's no like in psychotherapy. We had to go to school and get certified. That's why in astrology you can bump into brand new astrologers pretending they're astrologers.
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Yeah. Yeah. Really, the level of consciousness and the work that they've done on themselves to be that clear mirror, to hold space. Yeah. And so given that we're going through a lot of change here, coming up with our world and people predict or they have a lot of fear that they project into the unknown from an astrological perspective, not as a Prediction, but just as a reading for what could unfold in the next few, say, two
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years, astrologically speaking, there's a lot going on. To your point, this has never happened before. We've looked all the way back in astronomy because astrology is based on hard science. Where were the planets for the last 20,000 years? And this has never happened before that in the summer of 2026, all the outer planets have changed signs into fire and air. Never happened. So what we're all perceiving is fire and air. Think about it. You add a billow to the fire and the fire gets bigger and it's hot. And we love to stare at the fire. And then we back up because it gets a little too hot. So we're in this fascinating moment where it looks like it's good, it's bad, it's dramatic. Oh, my God, did you read the news? I don't even wanna read the news. All that stuff. And then we back up. There's going to be an increase of voltage, particularly in 2026, where you feel like the world is changing. It's hot, it's scary, there's projections. And we've been through this before. It's not our first rodeo. And I brought in a psychologist who specializes in climate denial. I brought in someone that studied the Earth, a geologist showing us that this has happened before, and a rabbi who looked at the Kabbalah and said, this has happened before. Like, why are we thinking this is the first time we've done this before? It is first time that everything change so quickly. That's true. And we're an evolving species.
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Yeah, yeah. And we can handle complexity. And I think part of the work is to really stretch our capacity in our nervous system to be with range. And so having the tools, I think is one of the best ways to prepare for these times. Are you saying, just to clarify, the summer of 2026 is some of the
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biggest disruption and the fall, yes, it's really begins. Like we're all suspecting or sensing and we feel disoriented about World War III or the climate change or what's going on with politics. It's rumbling, but it shows up in live time by the end of the fall. And then 2027 continues. It's not bad. This is what so many astrologers are getting clicks for. It's actually an invitation to your point to how do I regulate? Where's the wisdom? The spiritual people listening to this know that, oh one, I agreed to come here.
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Yeah.
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No one pushed you on the bus 2. I must have known that I was going to learn something about how to manage big, giant change. I personally hate change. So this is not my favorite era. Like I keep thinking, did I really? Yeah. This is crazy. On the other hand, I love astrology and what a perfect language to use during these times.
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What would you recommend for people to navigate these times more gracefully?
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There's some people like yourself, who are highly sensitive and they require quiet. So they get guilt free cards to say, you know what, take time out and don't feel the pressure that you should be with people, that you need to be in the bathtub and you need to have a glass of wine, you need to be alone in the backyard and you need to go be with your friends who are quiet and don't talk. We love those people. They're the water people. Then there's people that research the air people. They're scrolling, they're reading all this stuff, they're scaring the shit out of themselves. They're like collecting information and reading and learning and taking classes and it gets a little confusing. So they need to learn to get their mind in their seat. This is highly a spiritual practice of mindfulness. Can I tell my mind to stop being so addicted to scrolling? Like, do I get free will in my mind? The people that are here, they don't follow through, they talk too much, they're so curious, they ask a million questions and they don't always have an end to that problem of their curiosity. So they have to learn to say to their mind, can we sit down now? And actually take management over their curiosity and have like a. Almost like a schedule, which is so unlike an air person to say, this is when I get to put the phone down. This is when I don't have to be around people because they find relief from communicating, researching and listening to podcasts. How many of you raise your hand? And then there's the Earth people that are super grounded and they're gonna be the ones that are taking the practical steps. Like they're gonna collect the food and they're gonna feel really scared and they're gonna have organization and numbers and letters and insurance and all the practical stuff and eating properly. That's healthy. To regulate yourself under the name of security, to give yourself feeling safety so you can be there for other people. But those earth people, they have a high worrywart symptom. Cause they feel press. And there's a lot of earth people getting really practical about what to do next. That's one of the interviews, the Geologist, of course, she's triple earth. And she's gonna talk about what do you do in a practical way to give your nervous system safety. And then the fire people, they stand up and shout and yell and they give you all their opinions. And they're activists and they're standing at the protest and they're like screaming how much they don't like what's his name. And so they need to release the energy. Exercise, singing, moving energy, dancing. If they suppress their fire instinct and they turn it off, they get depressed and they gain weight and then they really get negative. So all of these have high roads and low roads, the four personality types. But that is the way to regulate fire. People have to exercise earth, have to clean it makes them feel better. Air, have to call someone and talk and research and watch the scroll and podcast. And the water need, can you all leave me alone? And that's guilt free cards. So there's a difference. Just like the Enneagram, different personality types require different ways of getting themselves back to center.
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That's beautiful. So these are the four elements based on your sun sign. Right. So if I'm a cancer. So that would be water. So then mine would be stillness.
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Yes.
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Right.
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Well, you're double water. So we use the three pillars, the sun, moon and rising. And you figure out which primary element. In your case, because you're double water, cancer and Pisces, you'd really relate to water. You just figure out what is my primary element. So that's the simplest ground level entrance that everyone can relate to. Before we start talking about Pluto, Uranus, and not like the jargon in terms
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Well, that's funny you ask at this moment, starting last month. But throughout the next two years, our life lesson as a collective is fire. So it was water the last two and a half years. Everybody was business as usual. La, la la. Microdosing and doing ayahuasca and doing all their meditation and all the mindfulness. Come on. We did a long two and a half years of that. Now it's in fire. And now it's saying, oh, we've got to stand up, stand out, call forward our male energy and call ourselves out. Like, get up, I'm talking to you. Like, is this era for the zeitgeist, for the whole collective? He's either gonna go feisty because fire at its wrong use is anger and war and striking out, or it's standing up and being an activist and it's standing up and taking a real position and changing your ways and getting back in your body and saying, those last two and a half years, I was floating around, I've got to start exercising or I've got to get myself friendlier with the neighbors or like action steps. That's what this next era is. Not talking anymore, not floating around, but really standing up. And so particularly Aries in the world, they're really feeling it because it's like Saturn's in Aries and it's calling all of us to be responsible to our energy, whatever yours is. But don't be passive and pretend it's all okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Time's up.
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I think we're done with that.
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Yeah.
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And I imagine that the fire signs, with us moving more into the fire is going to be even more important, that they stay in balance.
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Yes, Aries, Leo and Sag are really going to feel the urgent. Like it makes them angry. This is what we see in therapy. There are no impulse control. They're super blunt. They can't take instruction easily. They get kind of pissed off. If you ever offend them, they take it personally. And at their worst, they're bossy boots and they tell everybody what to do. At their best, they inspire us, they're humbled, they're vulnerable in front of us. When a fire. If the planet could get vulnerable right now and say, I'm scared, we need to change our ways. We really can't continue in so many different dimensions. We'd be honest and that's what fire is known for, they say. Everyone else wishes they could say, yeah,
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it reminds me of an 8 in the Enneagram.
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Exactly right?
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More direct.
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Yes. I love them.
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Yeah. And having an open heart while doing it, I think is some of the medicine, staying in connection. Like I, my friend said, your rage is only sacred when your heart's open.
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I love that.
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And it was like, oh yeah. This is about staying in connection, staying honest, staying open hearted, but also being direct and moving.
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I call it in astrology, fighting for love. Like you fight for love. You're like, I can't let us not be like that. Are we okay? Is there something I need to say? What do I need to do for my kid at school? How do I help my husband? You have to stand up so you can use that open hearted value to be direct, which is one of my favorite qualities of myself. I'm really blunt.
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Yeah, I like direct.
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Me too.
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And I know the macro and micro. So if we're just hanging out on the surface of a defense or a protection mechanism and not dropping into the vulnerability underneath, we're not going to go anywhere, individually or collectively. And so it starts with us, it doesn't end with us. And so even in relationships with people, when you, you feel that friction, that fire, it's about drop. The willingness to get safe enough to speak the vulnerable truth and to navigate that way rather than, you know, fist on fist, which is.
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And to say it from love, like, I just had something occur in my life where a person betrayed me and the first response of a fire person and to tell people, hold on, like, come back to love. I love that person and something twisted. And either I have a choice to go right up to them and say, we can't afford to have this break or, or take a break fire, turn it down a minute, go into reflection, take a breath and then get vulnerable. It's scary when we bump into our deepest people and it's happening everywhere.
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Yeah.
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Fire is here now.
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Yeah. And so learning how to work. You said for the fire, the medicine was what?
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Well, one is knowing when to stop. Like taking a break before it escalates.
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Because I imagine this is not just good for fire people, but as we're moving into this fire era, the whole
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planet, if we knew when to stop, like when you get really pissed off or the political situation or whatever the situation, your community, or with that friend before you go in for the cause they don't have impulse control before you go in. We teach this in therapy. Like, hold on A minute. I really want to hear your point of view, but that delivery may have been truthful. But you're hurting me.
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Yeah. And to take personal responsibility or to clean it up. If we were impulsive to just.
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I'm so sorry.
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I'm sorry. Or can we do that again or. That's not how I wanted that to come through. I'm learning. We.
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Would that be a skill? Can you imagine if we taught that in school to the fire kids? After they hit the kid? It was like my, I have a double fire son. And he came home one day from school and he looked really scared. And I was like, what happened? And he said, well, all the teachers put me in a circle today. Put me in the middle. And they were so mad. And I said, what did you do? And he said, well, I hit the bully. I said, well, of course you hit the. You're the fighter. You're the only one in the room that would hit the bully. You're not mad. No. I know your chart and I understand now. Could you have done it differently?
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Could you.
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But you lost impulse control and then you said you were sorry.
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Yeah. Yeah. So knowing when to stop is one of the things. What else was it with fire?
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Humility, vulnerability. It's the eight.
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It's the hardest thing for a fire sign or an 8 in the enneagram, the challenger to do. And yet it's the thing that would create the most transformation.
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It's disarming. Yeah. When the eight lets go of their shield and when the fire sign says, I'm really angry. I mean, I learned that very young as a mother. Like, as soon as I could feel, because I have a lot of fire. And I'd warn the kids and go, mean mom's coming. Like, I could feel it before it got here. Like, and they. And they all don't. Okay, we're good. We're good. I only had to show them mean mom a couple times for them to say, we don't want her.
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It's a great warning. Yeah. And I think also when you have enough self awareness, then you can loop people in. Like, don't I have my husband. I have a meditation practice. And I could feel I was premenstrual. And I was like, I'm going to want it. Because my. In meditation, my mind was trying to pick a fight. And I could feel it just disruptive. And I warned him. I was like, I'm going to want to pick a fight with you. Don't buy into it. Like, don't take the bait.
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See, this is awareness. This is self awareness. And this is the variable that if you're asking what the planet's going to grow into in my fantasy world, there'll be self awareness first. Like, this is what you teach why we listen to your podcast. What's the beauty about your psychotherapy practice? Is you're practicing it live time by saying that to your husband. Most fire signs, they do it after the fact, and then they're embarrassed to say, I'm so sorry I picked a fight.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because there's. It seems weak or vulnerable, and that's
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the worst thing for a fire sign.
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Yeah. And so I would just say, like, really testing out a new way. Can you actually create more connection? Can it be strength to say the honest truth?
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You know what? I've. Because I'm fire, I practice now. I love when I'm wrong. I've learned to love when I'm wrong. So I say I was wrong. Instead of it feeling like it used to feel like, oh, God, I'm such a loser. I turned it around and I was like, I am so sorry. I was wrong. You were right. Right. Let's start again. And instead of feeling negative to your point about being self conscious, make that a muscle.
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It's almost like you're sitting in the fire. You're letting it burn, the ego burn
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a bit, and it feels good after a while.
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Yeah.
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You want to go through each of them in the high road and low road.
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Yeah, I would love to.
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Okay. So the lesson for Earth people is they get so controlling. Like, how many of you know this one? Especially women, about men telling them what to do. So Earth women think they know everything, and they do. They're like the smarty pants who know how to organize and be on time and clean everything up. And they go and buy the food in their. They're so working so hard.
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Remind me of the Earth ones.
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It's Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn.
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Okay. Yeah.
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And they start to get. Can I swear they turn into a bitch because they're working so hard that now they're blaming you because they're working so hard when really it was them that gave themselves the job. Don't do the dishes. I always do the dishes. Go ahead, try. No, don't do the dishes. I hate the way you do the dishes. Like, you just gave me a mixed message. So they're trying to control safety and security at all costs. If they could just admit and say. Say I get really scared.
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Yeah.
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Like, I don't like it when I don't feel like I'm in control. And then their partner comes and goes. I understood that totally. Rather than you telling me what I'm doing wrong all the time.
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The defense versus real connection dropping in. Yeah.
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Yeah. So the. The earth person is willing to say, I'm scared. That is such. This is just as hard as a fire person saying, I feel the anger coming. I need to stop now.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't happen very often.
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Yeah.
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And then the air people, they get confused and what they do is they play dumb. I don't really understand. They play this little game called I'm so funny and I'm so interested in a million things. I'm a little bit confused. And I forgot to call you back. And where were we going anyways? And I've lost my thought. Which ones are the arrogant Gemini, Libra, Aquarius. They're like airheads and they say things. You're like, wait, what did you just say? And they don't really know that because they just love to use their words. And if they could just be honest enough to say, I'm using this confusion and it's contagious. Like I'm talking too much. I'm getting us all a little spinny. Give me a minute.
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Yeah.
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That's. This is the honest, to use your word, self aware part of ourselves. So the air person would actually say out loud, I'm so sorry. I'm really indecisive right now. I just need a minute.
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Yeah. Great. And then the others.
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And then the water person, your character is if they had the courage to say I really can't go out tonight. Like I have guilt free cards to say, I don't want to be around all the people. They will self regulate by having that container protected and developed so that they're not. They can sit out in the other room when the family's there. Like every water person's looking for the door to figuring out how. When they can get out of there. But they don't do it. And then they end up feeling overwhelmed and then they feel like they're guilty for not wanting. So if they would just be honest and say I had just with dinner last night with this couple that I was with and I loved what he did. He said, I'm leaving now. I'm. I'm just taking a few. I thought it wasn't a few minutes. I'm taking a few minutes out. And he just left the room because he was satiated.
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Yeah.
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So when water becomes too emotionally overwhelmed by other people, the sound, the storyline they're feeling funny, they stay there and that's when it gets off balance. And then they start to feel sick.
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And so the medicine is really scared.
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That's a clue. It's wonderful wisdom. It's ancient, it's timeless. The four elements, we went through all four.
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We did all four. Okay. It sounds like they have medicine for each other, right?
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Oh, for sure.
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And so having more of that well rounded balance supports us in being able to respond to the moment versus just how we are kind of designed.
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And there's certain personality types that really get along. Like the sensitive water loves earth because they're so predictable and they're so controlled and like, oh, we're safe, we're secure. You're going to drive and you know where to go. Great, I'll relax. And the idea, the air loves fire. Cause they're like, oh, you're so entertaining. Fire and the air thinks everything's funny. So now they're having a party. So air and fire, complimentary Earth and water. And you can see it in your friendships. You don't need to know astrology for this. You can stop and think about your dad and go, yeah, he is so earth. He's always counting the money. Or you could think about your mom. She's always on the phone. Like we can see personality types without studying astrology.
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And over the next two years and some of these changes, what are some of the signs that might go through more of this change?
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I would say if you're earth and water, like the people that like stability and they like consistency and they want to control, they're going to be disoriented because there's a lot of disorienting change happening. Right. So they're like, why can't we have business as usual? Why can't we have the same? Same. So they're going to be feeling a little bit less confident or secure. The fire and air people are going to be like, wow, they're entertained. This is so interesting. This is so dramatic. I can't wait to hear what happened tomorrow. Eating the popcorn. So there's a different personality type. I would say that the people who are really sensitive. This could be a difficult to water people if they don't. I think really the important thing is what do we do to self regulate on our term.
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That's right.
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And how to like, I know that I have to exercise. It's not. I'm not healthy. They're gonna make fun of me. The guy's listening. If I'm not on a bike, I Have to move energy daily so I can feel the wind to the air sign and the free. If you take that away from me, you know, I learned this from just to drop a name. I did a session for Madonna and she said to me straight up, if I don't exercise, I'm depressed. That's fire. So you have to know what you do to regulate.
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Yeah.
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Like for me, talking to my best friend every day in the evening, I worry that if anything ever happened to her, what would happen to me? Because my ear needs to download my day.
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Yeah. And I think having different types of tools also are helpful. Not just thinking mindset work or nervous system. Right. Regulation work. All of it's helpful. But really trying different things on to see what is the thing for you, what's your go to. And that may change and evolve as you do. But it sounds like these are great ones for people to explore to find out. Like, is it if I'm fire, do I need to really be moving my body?
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And that's the first book, the Missing Element. That's the simplest version because it gives instructions.
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Yeah.
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And you figure out what you're missing because for real, people are missing water and they've frozen and they can't cry anymore. People are missing air and they won't date anymore. They've completely given up on people, they don't want to talk to anybody. People missing Earth, they can't ground like the money thing never leaves them alone. And then the people that are missing fire, they've lost the juju, they're not having fun, they forgot to drink, they forgot to have orgasms. Like what are you doing with this life? If you don't have fun, go home.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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This is a great map for people to really try on and find out what's the thing for them. And I know that history repeats itself. And I'm curious if there are any astrological patterns that are coming back. And if so, what is the lesson we're here to learn from it? Like how can we do it differently now?
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Can you run for president? Why can't people like you that are deeply thinking be in the front four of our leadership? Yeah, it'd be so different to ask that question. What were we supposed to learn? Because unfortunately what happened In World War II, Uranus was in Gemini, is happening again right now as we talk about World War 3. It's an 84 year cycle and it's present in the world just enters in 2026. So there's implications that war will be the resolve.
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Like didn't we learn a resolve and
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as if war ever wins. But because we are creatures that repeat ourselves, I mean, I can. We could all say this is true.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. It makes me so sad that I can't learn a lesson the first time around.
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And I feel like if we individually really take to heart doing this work for ourselves in the micro of our lives. Like, for example, I had a fight with my husband and we were at a personal development training at. It was one of the biggest fights we've ever had. So there was triggers up because we weren't doing the same dance that we typically do. And in the heat of the moment, I was like, I don't want to play the game to fight, to win. That's not winning. And so I had my defenses up and I'm like, I'm going to keep my heart open. I'm going to stay in this conversation until it resolves, even though parts of me want to leave. Can we play a different game? And having the willingness to experiment with that in challenging situations in our own lives, I think is one of the ways to start the work. Because that. That when it's with us, it can start reflecting in our communities and in our world so that the win is not winning from that angle. And so I think it's like starting where we are and what is the greater gift? How do we learn from this? How do we use it to grow in a moment?
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So beautiful. But you're such a great example, what you just said. This is the exciting part. As an elder, because I've been alive for long, 70 years. I look back and I remember my parents never had a conversation like that. Yeah, My mother never said to my dad, I'm gonna keep my heart open. We're gonna keep fighting. She just threw things. I mean, it was a wild arena. Or they shut down completely and left. So let's just acknowledge this is not the ordinary time. When we grew up, parents were alcoholics and they were neglecting us and they left us in the house without anything. And they didn't even notice when we were sick that parents now would never. You think about the women, you know, that have kids, they're so attentive.
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Yeah.
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So can we just stop and acknowledge that the era has shifted and we have learned some lessons on a political front. That's not true.
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I agree.
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And I'm gonna say undervalue the political. Take that TV thing. I mean, I like to watch the news, but take it down a notch and say, in your house, you're changing what you learned as a child.
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That's right.
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And that single ingredient. Enough. And then your children will do it differently. As I see. Like, I really have a thing right now about the men. One of the Zeitgeist topics is Saturn's in Aries. And it's the male energy that we have to learn about the next two years. How do we use our feistiness? And so men. There's so many women, when no one's looking, that complain about men. Well, just so you know, they're complaining about us. But the pendulum has swung. And there's this whole conversation, like, we don't trust them, and you can't find a good man. And they never. That's not true.
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None of it is true.
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It's not true. So be careful to notice that in your own inner world. I know your audience is doing this. Changing the narrative that came from our parents is changing the future. Now, that's not true on the Zeitgeist. Like, if I say Putin, you're not going to think, what a good guy. Like, there's too many examples of the male energy that resembled the old story. But that's what's changing because of you and me and because of your audience. My male side, when I have a bump with people, just like with your husband, I just straight up go. I know now enough about myself with all this fire to go. Go. I need a minute. Yeah, I'll be right back. I promise. I'm not cutting off. I just don't trust myself.
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I love that. And I think people say, go to. Don't go to bed with being in an argument. And I don't agree with that. I think it's, if you're not regulated, don't keep talking. You're going to hurt each other.
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B
Exactly.
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Take a moment to regulate and tell them when you're going to come back. That's a more conscious way to navigate it.
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True. Those repetitive circles that happen in marriages and friendships and partners where you bump into that thing again. Again. It's a real art to be able to say, can I have a minute? Like, just think if the whole world knew how to pause.
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Yeah.
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And then came back, disclosing the vulnerable
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side and what part they played in the dynamic.
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Yes.
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Not pointing fingers. Like, as a couple's therapist, one of the first questions I would ask people is, what do you do in the relationship that causes the challenges? What would your partner say? And so they both have to claim it rather than start believing. But imagine leaders doing that.
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Can you imagine?
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And sometimes I Think people, it has to get worse before it gets better. So that we see it, we have more awareness and motivation. And I think that we're seeing one way to lead. And I think other people are rising because of it. So tell me more about this masculine. This is part of the fire.
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Yes. It's a Saturn in Aries and Neptune in Aries that will be going on for the next two and a half years. And Neptune's there for seven years. So Aries is the theme of the male. What would be the healthy version of the male to say, I'm sorry, I was wrong, I need help. I miss you. I didn't mean it like getting those things in your back pocket. If all the men could just say, I'm sorry, I was wrong. But we don't have a society to role model that. But that is the new male.
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Yeah. And even my son just graduated from high school and there was a beautiful moment. We were talking about essentially how boys don't feel safe to cry even in very conscious communities, because there's this cultural narrative that that's weak and that's, you know, don't be a pussy or whatever the words are. It's like, even though they know it, like, I hope that more men start having communities of other men where they feel safe to open up.
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It's coming soon to your neighborhood, I promise, in your son and my son. I have sons as well. They are demonstrating at least the interest to listen to their mom. It may not be instilled because the zeitgeist. But we're moving towards a future. People don't say this about astrology. This moment is really hard. And the transition from the old dismantling, like everything you're saying that a man can't cry publicly to a future where we're comfortable. Gender wise, we're slippery. We don't really hold the hostage of, you're a girl, I'm a boy. There's a transitional phase that we're in that's really awkward. Awkward. And it breaks. So we're dismantling the old, making the mistake that something's wrong, rather than saying, when things. In a marriage, in a friendship, when things break, you have two choices. You're either going to heal it, go in and do the work. We both know this is psychotherapist. Go see your therapist, or you're going to walk away and have to do it again in your next life.
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Yeah. I think having that perspective makes it a lot easier to say, is this the person I want to do the work with because whatever's coming, coming up for me in relationship is going to come up and be projected on one partner or another. Is this the person I want to do the work with? And for me, I'm like you. I want to be proactive to use every trigger for my healing, for my awakening and live for your younger. Like, why wouldn't that be there?
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So much fun. I was just recently dating someone and I had so much fun to test myself to see one, would I stay true to my truth and not do that codependent pleaser, which we all do as well. Women. And then two, could I hold my own? Like, could I actually say, I am not doing this? And I did such a good job now it did end and it was sad, but I was so proud of myself that this was my first time. Now I am almost 70, 69. That I was like, I think all that self growth thing and all that therapy is working. Like, I was so impressed with myself. I would hear myself tell my best friend the story at night and I'd be like, I did it. I stood up for myself. And I wasn't mean.
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Yep.
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And I didn't judge him. I was like, absolutely not. You need to know this is not happening. I'm so sorry you got the wrong girl. But it wasn't. But I had no. I really, really liked him. No, it wasn't. It was just a clear distinction of. In the self awareness that I live in now. I'm not operating with anger or subtlety or there's gaslighting and denial or pretending I'm so dumb. It feels so good to say it.
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Yeah.
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And it took a long time. So for anyone that's younger listening. We spend a lot of our life being a pretzel, shape shifting, seeking approval, wanting to know how we look. It's such a fixation on the human ego. Raise your hand if you have an ego. Oh, really? Everyone's got one. And then there's the soul. In astrology, it's the rising sign, waiting in the wings, going, won't you just lean into me? And part of my life's work and everything I teach is getting people aligned to their soul in the front seat and their ego in the back seat. Wow. What a change. But that took me years.
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So you're saying the soul is the right. You said the rising.
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That's why it's called the rising or the ascendant. It's also called the. So you're rising into that part of you. And then the ego is your sun sign. So that's like your knee jerk response. Like you can't help. But the other part, the rising sign is saying, please can you come closer? And for some reason, don't ask me, it's a bad design. We tend to live in our ego. Ego without even thinking about it. And the soul is waiting in the wings going, can you just do some therapy? Can you do some self reflection? Can you meditate? Ew, says the ego. We're gonna sit there and do what?
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Yeah, nothing.
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And the soul goes, no, no, you're gonna love it. And the ego goes, I'm not. I don't love that. Doesn't get me any friends, doesn't make me look better. And the soul's going, how? What will it take for me to get your attention? Oh, I know, a crisis.
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Yes.
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And then I want to talk about
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that because I know you talk about consciously evolving versus letting life evolve you. And so unpack this because I think it's going to serve a lot of people.
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Well, I use this theme so much that crisis is the door that the soul uses. Illness, heartbreaks, breaking up a mean parent, a death of a sister or brother, having a boss that abuses you. Somewhere you have to figure out, oh, it's like a stalking device. Life comes in and it goes, I want your. And I can look at the chart to your point. The first question the karmas revealed of what the patterns are. That will be repetitive. And then once you're aware of it. Yep, that's the freedom.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't stop the pattern. I'm going to tell you that.
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That's right. It's just awareness of it. It's similar with working when I used to work with couples of like, what are the patterns that you came in the relationship to resolve and heal? And sometimes people get into fights thinking that something's wrong with the relationship. It's like, no, this is just revealing what's looking to be healed and tended to inside so that you can evolve to the. A more healthy, integrated relationship that just evolves. Love.
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I love that we work very similarly.
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Yeah.
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Like, don't mistake the problem as something you want to get rid of. You want to drill down.
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Yeah. Intentionally.
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There's the gold.
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Yeah.
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And when you do it in the presence of your best friend, your partner, and they listen, the hearts melt and they fall back in love again right in front of you.
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Yeah. Yeah. And I love that and that perspective as well. It's like, I don't would never tell somebody that everything happens for a reason. I don't know if that's true, I agree. But I can give them the frame of how do I use this for my growth? How do I use this for my freedom? So I hear you saying, use everything as the sacred pause to say, how do I evolve from it?
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What am I supposed to be learning? That's my favorite question.
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What's my soul here learning through this?
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Yeah. And then look at your rising sign and go, oh, right. This is my repetitive pattern as Libra rising in that relationship. I was such a suck for so much of my life. I just shape shifted. That's my rising sign. The low road of Libra is everyone's gotta like me. The high road of Libra is I don't care. I really don't care. I'd rather be truthful to myself and be alone. And boy, that's a radical alteration when the soul starts to drive the ship.
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Yeah. Earth school. As we move into the age of Aquarius, what are we moving towards and what are we moving away from? From the age of Pisces.
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So it was. It's a 2100 year cycle. Like we just. The Pisces age was when Christ got here 2,000 years ago. He was. See all those fish on the back of the car when they are talking about Jesus. He was a fisherman and he was all about I love him. And his whole message was. What they misinterpreted was follow, do exactly what I tell you. Here's what the church, you can't play astrology. You have to get married to this person. If you think back 2,000 years ago in the Christian Judaism, Muslim, all of it, such strong rules that were put in place. And if you didn't follow fellow, you didn't have a family, you couldn't eat. If you got banished because you were an individual and you wanted mindfulness. They were like, you are bad, you're not following God's way. So that was 2100 years in the 1960s. And we can't point to the exact date because it's a big cycle. Suddenly in came there was at one point in 1964, there was six planets in Aquarius which marked this radical departure. That said, said, I'm not listening to the Church.
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I see all that.
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Tell me who to marry. I don't want to have kids. And by the way, I'm leaving the state, I'm going away. You couldn't leave your family. So we're now in this free fall of this wildly open ended. It's so beautiful. Only we don't have really a set pattern, yet it's brand new. So we're at the very entrance of the 2100 year cycle. And this is where astrology comes in. Because Aquarius rules astrology and the enneagram and gene keys and all the things, all those different systems are brought to us by Aquarius, the next age, which says you don't have to be a follower. So what we're entering now is individuality. But the problem is it leaves us isolated because with it comes the computer. And now instead of being with our family and our grandparents and living down the block from the neighbors, we isolate and get lonely. And those age groups that are teenagers live on their computer. And that heartfelt Piscean oh, let's all be together and sing Kumbaya. That's gone.
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And I feel, but I feel like people are craving more of that, that connection, real time now, desperate for it.
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So we don't want to throw away what we're supposed to learn. You want to take with the goods I love sacred ceremony and smelling those incense burning and putting on the beads and listening to someone chanting. This is the beauty of what came from that era. But now I be a Jew and listen to Buddhism like this didn't. You couldn't do this in the past. You couldn't go online and read all these mystical, magical. You couldn't go online and listen to Alyssa. There was no wisdom keepers unless you were in that area or you did a big pilgrimage and you left behind your life because you were spiritually. Now we push buttons. Yeah, that's Aquarius. It's a very quick paced. At worst lonely because it doesn't have the emotional content and at best anything like let's go study astrology. It's all online.
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A
I do think that this new time, just thinking of even AI with everything changing, I do think that we're going to deeply crave human connection, being in person, emotional mastery and maturity. I think these are things that are going to be more heightened beauty things that are going to be valued as other things are automated and taken away. But I'm curious from an astrological perspective perspective, what do you think about that?
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B
I really. When Saturn goes into Taurus, so we've got two and a half years of this new male energy standing up and saying just that. Don't take away my heart, don't take away my family's connectedness. And then it goes into Taurus in 2027 to 2029, 2028 to 2030 and that's the earth and that's when we're going to start saying, oh, that we're swung too far. Yes. We've gone too far. We have to bring back the physical sensual. And we've got to take care of mom. Like, we're. We're going to be learning in the next 10 years with the introduction of AI what Really Matters. That's what's going to happen. And we're going to fight for it. Like, I don't want to lose the yum yum factor.
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A
Yeah.
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I don't want to be so cut off. I. I'm a little allergic because I told you I don't like change to the AI thing. So I let people in my company and the younger generation, I hand them my phone and say, do it. But I can see that coming soon. Our neighborhood. The marriage of the physical earthly yum yum with the advanced possibility of anything goes.
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Yeah.
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B
What a beautiful marriage. If we stay awake.
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A
Yeah. And have discernment too. Because there's AI externally and also chips internally. And I think having discernment around those things are really important.
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B
The marriage of AI and the human is going to be once again this next two years. Years. Absolutely essential. Who's going to stand up and say no? Who's going to stand up and say, where's the guardrails? Where's the parent in the room deciding that. That AI can't take away my favorite things. Make me real. Keep me in heart to heart. That'll be us. So we have to wake up. There's kind of. I feel like I want to throw cold water at people. Like, we can't fall asleep right now. That was the last era. This is now the time when listening to a podcast like this, but now not just from your head. Like, how am I going to apply the four elements in my life? Keep it in the body. And that's what makes the difference, is I think the gift of the future is we're going to fight for how important it is for us to be embodied and have someone to hold hands with and snuggle with and smell and taste. Like angels are envious of us. They don't get to do all these things. You come onto earth just in case you're wondering. Rendering because you wanted this like this like your home. Like the smells. I'm. I don't know what I'm smelling, but something smells good. Could be me. It is. It is. This happens all the time. But I really drench my world with incense and smells and fresh colors and fresh juices. And AI cannot take that away if you Prioritize it and realize how important it is without denying the fact that we're moving into a future.
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A
Future. Yeah. One of the things that you were talking that I'm shifting in personally is really finding the love of my full emotional range. So finding the pleasure and the joy in grief or in sadness also in joy and just turning up the volume. Finding like the pleasure in. In all of it. Not trying to get rid of any of it, but just fully enjoying and opting into this human experience. I think we're going to find more value in that. That than trying to heal it away or get rid of it. It's like, wow, I came here in this emotional container to feel somatically sensorially, like all of it and to enjoy all of it. Not to get rid of it, but to love it.
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B
Well, that's your chart. You're double water. So you made a promise this life to turn up the volume of your emotional and role model for us. That we have permission. I'm double error. I came to talk. Can you tell? And I came came to stimulate thoughts that really provoke people that say, I never thought of that before. But your promise is the emotional spectrum.
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A
Yes.
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B
And so you're being yourself and then we all see you and think you're so authentic and it's so empowering to be with someone who lets themselves love grief. So we watch your podcast because we're so scared of it. And then you remind us, oh, here's how you do it.
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A
That's right.
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B
But it took me as a double error. I didn't know how to do grief. Grief.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I was cut off like a cold fish.
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A
Yeah. I feel like emotional and somatic work is my mastery. And I want to teach people how they can enjoy their human experience more easily.
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B
Fulfilling your astrological signature. Yes. And mine is. And this is why I teach about reading and to listening to documentaries and keeping the mind open. I am so curious. I'm always so. It's like ridiculous. Like I read the back of the toilet paper in the bathroom. I'm like, why does my mind not know when to to stop? Now that was an art that I had to learn. For you. It was learning how to not be so emotionally sensitive. But the high road is what you just said, like loving it.
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A
And the thing that is that we're here to teach. We also then get schooled by. Right. So having for me, I had a hypothyroid and you know, all of that feeling more being double water taught me about emotional mastery. And now I'm like, oh, there's this here. I want to teach people how to surf the waves of their emotions so they don't get tumbled by them, but they can actually learn the art of navigating it and enjoying it.
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B
That's so beautiful. That's a very lost art. Water is the one element on our planet. If you think about it. You can't drink it, there's chemicals in it. We don't know how to cry when there's death. Men, boys don't know how to cry. It's the element that got turned into ice. So to have you role modeling it for us, it is going to. That would be. If there's one single element that I wish the world and this was what was supposed to happen the last two and a half years, which it. You didn't would be the compassion to say, I'm scared, I'm lonely, I need someone. And not be embarrassed by saying, I want to blame you. I want to judge you totally. Like, what if we just said out loud, which I do.
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A
Yes.
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B
Like, I'm just about to judge you. I was just with a bunch of friends who are. They appear to me as an elder, like hippies. And I tend to judge hippies. And then I caught myself and I was like, you're doing that thing. But if I could say out loud, yes, I did judge you.
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A
Uhhuh.
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B
That liberating honesty, the transparency would make this world very different.
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A
And it actually brings connection and authenticity as well when there's emotional mastery around it or at least a level of awareness.
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B
That's what you said. When the heart is open and you disclose a truth to someone, it's shocking.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
The medicine, that's what every psychotherapist knows. We get paid a lot of money to show people how to open their heart.
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A
Yes.
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B
Yeah. What a crazy job.
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A
And I think it's the best job in the world coaching therapy all the
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B
time because you're a double water. You love it.
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A
I'm like, but, but if I didn't, I don't. I. I often think, how do people do it without that? And then I see the state of the world.
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B
Well, that's how I feel about air. If people don't learn astrology, they don't have a language to distinguish their weirdness and have permission to make crazy normal. This is as much fun as you have watching their emotional body. I watch the lights come on like, oh, I have no water in my chart. They say, no wonder I'm a cold fish. Or, oh, I have so much Fire. No. And then they say to their kid, and that's why this kid's the way. This is my greatest pleasure, watching people learn the chart. Simple, basic, you don't know anything. And then end up going, I'm in love with the part of you that I wanted to change. It's like the best feeling.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Especially I would think, for parents where it's like, oh, if I'm cut off from my ability, emotions, now my child's very emotional. They're teaching me how to learn that part of myself.
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B
So you see the child's charts, all water. And you were cut off. And now you go, oh, I guess it's my teacher.
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A
Yeah, that's right.
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B
My son was all fire. I was like, well, of course he's going to be the one. Then we learned how to fight because we're both fire. I loved fighting with him because it was clean. We made him. We made a technology of how we could argue without hurting each other. So this is where we practice. Practice the future.
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A
Yeah. And having been a psychotherapist, I'm curious your perspective on what traditional therapy misses not having astrology.
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B
Now, that's a big question.
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A
Okay.
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B
I love it that you just pull them out of thin air. Carl Jung was quoted to say, psychology will be a dinosaur science without astrology. He was an astrologer, the original psychiatrist in the 1930s. He couldn't tell anyone. It was a secret. It came out many years later. Every single session he did, just like me, he had a chart in front of him. So without it, I don't understand. Like, the gift for me is being able to say to you when you came in the very first session, I'd say to your husband, she is so sensitive. And if you think for one minute you're going to push her emotions around or you're going to try to shut her down, or you're not going to deal with how much she cares and cries, you're going to lose her. So how to start a session in three easy steps to go straight to the bottom note. And I also specialized in couples and don't do it anymore because I loved watching the chemistry of the chart. In psychotherapy, which you probably use the enneagram and I do.
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Yeah. I find that I can shave off about three private sessions knowing somebody's core desire and core fear, getting right to the heart of it. But similar listening to where they're at. Because even as a 3. 3 type 3, an achiever. Typical threes don't feel. But I feel fully because yeah. So like I love all of these frames. I love thinking and looking at life from a different perspective. So. But it has to be customized to who's in front of you. Like you said, it's got to be. You got to really listen to what the, the challenges are of something.
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B
I mean the best part about being a psychotherapist is you get to listen.
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Yeah.
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To their secrets. I'm like a little snoop. Like I love. That's what made me a therapist. From the very get go I was like, tell me everything.
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Yeah.
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Like the quicker I can get into your deeper self, the more interesting the conversation gets.
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Yeah. I wanted to also ask you about the Saturn return because I think a lot of people think it happens once. What is the Saturn return? When does it come into our lives?
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So the first time Saturn return shows up actually which people don't know, it's 28 to 30. That's Saturn return. But the first Saturn cycle is 21 years old. So if you look back at 21, three sets of seven, you'll realize, wow, that was eternity point. Was it? Yeah, critical. Then it happens at 28 to 30. Another big marker where life comes in and pushes you around. Saturn's not very nice. I mean, I happen to like it.
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Yeah.
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But I made a friendship with him. I was like, listen, I studied enough to know that when it gets hard, I'm going to get to your point. I'm going to love this. So 28 to 30 and then 58 to 60. But all along the way from 30 to 37 to 44, every seven years there's a Saturn transit as distinct from Saturn return. So Saturn returns to itself, literally comes back to where it was when you were born at 28. And then it happens again at 58. It literally comes back to the same sign, the same degree. And that is a critical. And it's like this is what made me a believer. It's like clockwork. Saturn rules time. It was Kronos, it was the old man of the zodiac and it is absolutely real. You're gonna lose your job. You're gonna find your job, you're gonna lose your husband. You're gonna find your husband. You're gonna have this, the kid, the kids. And at 58, that's retirement years. At 58 to 60, some people go and they have a sabbatical year. For me it was starting an entirely because I have a little bit of energy, you probably can tell. And I started the school. Yeah, I thought really at 58. And so did Walt Disney. Like 58 was when Disneyland opened for him. It's often people that are in the second win. I don't know how much in your audience you get the older version, but this is really where it's critical to ask yourself, oh, what do I need to learn now? Because destiny is changing gears. Just like at 28 to 30, Destiny hears you complaining. 28, 27, 28. Things are going rocky. You make some big life decisions, you find your partner. And that's the other big question. Do you think for one minute that you can go chasing your partner? Those are destiny line. We call those destiny lines. People show up, it's written. Written. It's in the Akashic records. This is a classical question. Everyone asks, is there a free will? And I'm like, not really. But there is free will. What you do with it when what's his name shows up that you've been with six lifetimes and he bugged you the last time, you can decide not to. And then there's free will. Whether or not you're gonna get those children. You've got a little bit of free will, but who's coming? That's been written.
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A
And the seven year cycle, that was what again?
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Saturn cycles. And they are really relevant. And you need an astrologer. Don't try. But when an astrologer can look at your chart and go, the whole world's gonna shift. And it's so predictable. It's kind of annoying how accurate.
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I know after the enneagram and astrology and all these other things that I really love as systems, I'm like, it feels so. I feel so typeable, like it just was laid out. And it's so true. I'm here to surrender to the magic of what once.
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Surrender is the key word.
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Yeah. I know that people fear Mercury in retrograde, and I would love to hear a different point of view on it so that people can use it for their growth.
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Oh my God. This is what drives me nuts. Yes. Okay. There's nothing wrong with Mercury retrograde. And by the way, it's completely predictable. It's just an indicator to slow down and review. It's going backwards. It's asking you to stop. Is that a bad thing for us that are mindful, that are doing a spiritual practice? So I have a really good friend, Colette Baron Reed, who's a famous psychic. She does all of her online projects during Mercury retrograde. Because as a psychic, she's like, oh, stop. Return pause wisdom. But for other people it's like, don't buy A car and don't buy a house and everything's blamed. The computer died and it's real. Yeah, I pretended in the beginning, when I first started astrology, I was like, no, I'm not going to believe that. And then as years went by, I was like, it's so real. It's just not to be judged as good or bad. Bad. It's an invitation to review what was behind you that you probably left behind.
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And like you said, if you're on a spiritual path, you're committed to your freedom. You want to take those sacred pauses to clean out anything that was no longer in alignment or look at something from a different point of view, to heal. So it's a great time to do
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deeper work, to do cleanses, to do therapy, to say, I'm going to review our what happened in the last year in our relationship. It only happens twice. Twice to two, three times a year. It's not an often occurrence, but boy, do we hear about it. It's one of those things. It's one of those jargon things, but it works because it's got us all talking about it.
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A
Yeah. And I was told, I don't know your thoughts, but I was told the eclipses are usually a bigger challenge or can bring up more than.
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It's not a challenge eclipse. See, this is the thing. Good, bad, who knows? Said the elder. Is it bad that things broke? Is it bad you got divorced? No. That was exactly what you needed to learn your lesson. Is it good that you got married, you just had a baby? Yes, but probably at some point that's all gonna go funny again, Trust me. So it's not a good or a bad. Eclipses, on the other hand, are very significant if they're going to affect your chart. So you go and you look at the charts, you get an astrologer reading, you say, I feel like something's happening this year. I don't know what it is. Is it a Saturn transit is an eclipse. And I will do my. I won't sing again, but I'll do the matchmaking game.
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A
Yeah, beautiful. Well, I know my audience is going to want to stay connected. Talk to us about what you're up to, where they find you.
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B
It's just three words. Deborah Silverman, astrology It's so embarrassing that I'm 70,000 years old, I'm on Tik Tok, I'm on Facebook, I'm on Instagram. And I just get more and more excited meeting people like you because I see you remind me why I'm doing what I'm doing. Like, if the mindfulness be becomes part of the normal language in our system and people start to actually know how to get before they fight, say, oh, mean, Mom's coming. And they can say to their partner, I am going through my cycle. Do not talk to me like, this is called mindfulness. That cannot be. I just always think I loved my grandmothers and I just think about how much they didn't know. They knew what sun sign they were. That's the funny thing about astrology. It's passed the test. The enneagram just came back in. The gene keys just came in. The human design just came in. But they're all based on astrology. It's the mothership. So I make it super simple, as you can see. I just want people to just like you. Let the therapeutic healing tool that is medicine called astrology give you permission to fall in love with you and to accept the weirdness in your kid and to give your husband. This just happened. It's just so funny. I was sitting and having tea this morning. A friend's daughter came up and she was like, I'm with this double Leo. Because I knew from her mom had told me everything, but I pretended I didn't. I'm with this double Leo, and it's always about him. And I was like, get used to it. Wait, why are you complaining? And by the way, you're the one that's going to change. You're the one that loves all this. He doesn't, so why don't you give him a break? She was like, wow. I said, now sit down at breakfast this morning and be nice to him.
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Some wisdom. Yeah.
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B
Wisdom brought to you by tea.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
Early in the morning in Los Angeles.
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We'll put all of your links here in the show notes below so people could easily find you. Thank you for who you are. Thank you for sharing your wisdom in the world with humor and heart. It's such a pleasure and privilege to
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get such a time to be sitting in your presence and the beauty and the sincerity of your desire to help us. I can really feel the little cancer energy you so love to help.
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Thank you. I do. Thank you. Thank you so much for doing this work that changes the world, starting with yourself. It truly does make a difference. And if this podcast has supported you, one of the most impactful ways to help us reach more people is to simply press the follow button. It really does help us grow, and we are so grateful. I just want to say thank you for being a living example of what it means to walk through the world
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with an open heart and mind, Sam.