On this special episode, hosts Sarah Saturday and Tarri Driver interview three men who have decided not to have children to find out more about the male / non-female perspective on this complicated topic. They are joined by Chris Driver, Daniel Jones, and Jeremy Lister.

Chris Driver, a professional writer/editor since 2010, has written about science at Oak Ridge National Laboratory since 2023. Before his writing career finally began, he did several restaurant tours of duty, drove a truck to deliver and repossess portable storage barns, sold computers and sporting goods, dabbled in landscaping, parked cars at fancy parties in Nashville, toured most of the USA in a punk rock band, and worked construction and cleaned fishing boats in Alaska. Virtually no one has read the book he wrote about all of that. He enjoys a variety of rock and jazz music, loves to read widely and is a bit of a film geek but isn’t much of a podcast guy. Happily married since 2006 to his best friend, the artist Tarri Driver, he has reluctantly agreed to invest further in that happiness by talking on her public podcast about his personal feelings.

Daniel Jones is a Nashville-based creative producer, dramaturg, writer, and director passionate about facilitating shared live arts experiences that ignite social change. In 2022, the Nashville Scene named him “Best Advocate for Artists.” He serves as the Associate Director of Programming & Partnerships at OZ Arts Nashville where he has supported hundreds of visiting artists from around the world, including companies from Brazil, Japan, Chile, Germany, South Africa, France, and more. He also works closely with Nashville artists as they develop new works in OZ’s unique 10,000 square-foot creative warehouse, including the annual Brave New Works Lab. Additionally, as the Co-Founder & Producing Artistic Director of the nonprofit organization Kindling Arts, Daniel has worked with hundreds of Nashville-based artists to launch more than 120 unique artistic experiences since the organization was founded in 2018. Kindling’s programming has been hailed by the Nashville Scene as “freewheeling, uncensored and full of heart, pushing the boundaries of what we imagine performance art to be.” Daniel’s creative producing credits include The Naughty Tree, an interdisciplinary, queer retelling of the Garden of Eden creation story; two installments of Heroic Couplets: Poetry into Film Collaborations with Defy Film Festival; and HAUNTED, a multimedia, immersive experience inspired by the deadliest train crash in American history. He is joyfully living child-free, which allows him lots of time to create art and invest in his local community. He plans to remain childless until he is in the grave.

Jeremy Lister is a songwriter with Big Yellow Dog, a background vocalist for Post Malone, and a founding member of Street Corner Symphony from NBC’s The Sing-Off. Beyond music, he co-owns Blister Hot Sauce with his brothers and is an avid runner, having completed two 100-mile ultramarathons. Most importantly, he is happily married to the most beautiful and brilliant person on the planet: Sarah Saturday.

Recorded on Mar 20, 2025

Additional Links:
Chris Driver: hardbarned.com/
Daniel Jones: kindlingarts.com/
Jeremy Lister:
@jeremyblister
blisterhotsauce.com
jeremylister.com

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