Spiritual Teacher On The Hidden War For Earth, WWIII, Dark Forces, And How The Light Can Win | Lee Harris

Summary

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Mayim Bialik’s Breakdown: “Spiritual Teacher On The Hidden War For Earth, WWIII, Dark Forces, And How The Light Can Win” with Lee Harris

Date: April 14, 2026
Host(s): Mayim Bialik & Jonathan Cohen
Guest: Lee Harris (Spiritual channeler & author, channeling “the Z’s”)

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Episode Overview

In this groundbreaking episode, Mayim and Jonathan welcome back spiritual teacher and channeler Lee Harris. This time, Lee channels his spirit guides, “the Z’s," live on the show to explore humanity’s current crossroads—a storm period of darkness and awakening, spiritual warfare for the future of Earth, the power of hope and intuition, demonic vs. benevolent galactic forces, and practical guidance for personal and collective growth. The conversation dives deep into unexplained phenomena, the psychological toll of dark revelations, why hope and love matter, and the importance of discerning truth in an age of division and manipulation.

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1. Background: Who Is Lee Harris and What Are “the Z’s”?

[03:35–13:20]

• Lee Harris shares his origin story:

  • Began experiencing clairaudient communications from guides at age 23 on the London Underground.
  • Initially skeptical, he describes the voices as distinctly external, clear, and benevolent.
  • As a child, Lee had recurring dreams about two mysterious figures attempting to communicate through static; only later did he realize these were his guides.

• Concept of Guides and Angels:

  • Lee: “Not everybody is going to come to know them, but we’re all working with a team. Our idea of individualism is a myth.” [09:28]
  • Angels, according to Lee, serve as energetic healers and bring grace, especially in crisis. Guides are more informational, acting as communicators or “consciousness librarians.” [10:26]
  • The Z’s are a collective—some incarnate, some never human—serving both Lee and, by extension, others seeking awakening.

• Lee’s channeling process:

  • Describes hearing the Z’s above and slightly left of his head; in the channeling state, he transitions from actively “hearing” to allowing the message to flow through.
  • Emphasizes: “It becomes normal. I’m not in some out-of-body trance. I’m sat behind, listening.” [05:13–06:20]

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2. The Nature of Channeling

[16:18–25:07]

• Channeling acts as a bridge for others to access their intuition and soul:

  • Lee: “The function of a channeler is to serve as a bridge for someone else to access their own soul, their own intuition, their own messages.” [24:08]
  • It is not to glorify the channel or the beings, but to normalize intuitive connection.
  • Repeated exposure to channeling can awaken one's own intuitive capacity.

• Lee clarifies that he does not live all the time in a “spiritual” state; his work is about balancing both the human and spirit experience.

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3. The Z’s Take the Mic: Direct Channeling Begins

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3.1. Why Are Mayim & Jonathan Gatekeepers for This Conversation?

[25:38–28:38]

• The Z’s begin by reflecting on the purpose of the conversation:
  • The Z’s: “You are the gatekeepers for others to their own... cosmic knowledge. When you are aware of your cosmic origins, you are more connected to telepathy, healing, and other realms.” [25:38]
  • Affirm Mayim’s lineage of teachers and communicators, Jonathan’s prior lives as a healer, and the urgency of bringing this dialog into the world.

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3.2. The Current Storm: A Hidden War for Earth, Multiple Timelines, and the Call to Hope

[28:38–33:58]

• “You are in what we would call a storm period. You are having both the emergence of what we would call galactic technology appear on Earth… a convergence point where many timelines can occur at once on Earth. And that is what makes this period of history new.” [29:04]

• Multiple Timelines:

  • Some live on “higher” (harmonious, peaceful) timelines; others experience hellish suffering or chaos.
  • These timelines reflect individual and collective consciousness.

• The Myth of War:

  • “There is a story you’ve all been sold about how war is normal, and it is not. It is the small few at the top who benefit from war and they drag everyone else with them. War is always about control, manipulation and power.” [31:02]
  • The appearance of disaster and darkness is accelerating because old systems are collapsing—but this is a necessary prelude to transformation.

• Disclosure and Galactic Origins:

  • Our galactic origin stories have been suppressed—now is a period of “quarantine ending” and hidden truths (including about non-human influences) being revealed.
  • “Disclosure has been happening for a very long time. It’s just becoming more mainstream now.” [33:25]

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3.3. The Nature of “Dark Forces” and Their True Motivation

[35:05–37:38]

• The Z’s reject the term “demonic forces,” stating:

  • “The demonic forces do not see themselves as demonic, but they are here for resources… There is a fight between many different groups for control of Earth. It is not one." [35:13]
  • Multiple non-human and human factions vie for influence; their power is ultimately self-limiting because they cancel each other out.

• War and Control:

  • “World War III is very appealing to some of the powers that be… it helps them put in place the control systems they would like to see… so that essentially slavery can become a slightly more… hidden facet in your society.” [37:38]
  • Consciousness has prevented more catastrophic timelines from manifesting.

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3.4. The Power of Collective Consciousness, Hope, and Activism

[37:38–42:15]

• Collective Focus Manifests Reality:

  • Z’s: “The amount of you that can be encouraged to fear World War III are the amount that will help make it happen… it is collective consciousness that will both help create or help divert away from that kind of war.” [37:38]

• Positive Forces at Work:

  • Many “activists” are working energetically and physically to prevent global catastrophe, drawing on soul memories of confronting darkness in other lives.
  • “There are enough who are now awake, who are not only building a different future, but… have sat across the table from these warlords in other lifetimes. They know exactly who they are and have chosen a different path.”

• The Internet as a Double-Edged Sword:

  • Enables a global “hive mind” to expose corruption and coordinate awakening.

• On Politics:

  • “We have said for a long time that politics is a very low vibration system because of the corruption within it.” [41:15]

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3.5. The Emotional Impact of Awakening to Darkness

[42:15–50:00]

• Jonathan: Shares feeling a deep, unexpected sadness—“that we're all climbing and crawling and scratching at something and we’re playing out this trauma loop. But there is another version…” [42:15]

• Z’s Respond:

  • “It is sobering to wake up to a world that is not quite what you thought. The sadness, the shock, the anger, the rage, the depression, the feeling of hopelessness—these are all temporary.” [43:16]
  • Humans must work through these emotions as part of the change process.
  • “You are alive right now, and there are absolutely millions and millions… who are here to create a different vibration and here to create a different world.” [44:15]
  • History is cyclical—there is transformation even after great wars. “You are not powerless… you are outnumbering the dark by far.”

• “Hope is a future timeline that you can make possible."

  • The darkness wants you to believe it is all-powerful—this illusion feeds disempowerment.
  • Memorable Quote: “Hope is not a falsehood. Hope is an energy that people build from. Hope is a future timeline that you can make possible.” [49:15]
  • The media systematically programs fear to perpetuate control.

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3.6. The Jeffrey Epstein Example and Processing Collective Trauma

[50:00–56:52]

• Mayim expresses shock and overwhelm at the Epstein story—the immense reach, orchestration, and apparent impunity of those in power.

• The Z’s explain:

  • The corruption has always been there; what’s new is its exposure.
  • Some implicated were manipulated for blackmail and control.
  • The use of the term “conspiracy theory” as a tool to dismiss truths considered too dangerous for the status quo.
  • Processing the grief, shock, and feelings of having been in an “abusive relationship you didn’t know you were in” is part of the collective purge.

• But:

  • “The dark only has so much power. And that is very hard for some of you to believe because the darkness clearly has its fingers in so many pockets… but what we will say here is you are often told a story… that is what the dark wants you to think, so you are too afraid to realize that your light is more powerful.” [53:30]

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3.7. COVID, Systemic Shocks, and the Lifting of the “Quarantine”

[56:52–58:57]

• COVID was the “first warning sign and exposure of who to believe and who not to.”

  • It catalyzed division and revealed the true nature of power systems.
  • “Some of those who were dubious… are now more vindicated as more has been revealed about the truth of what you were told.” [56:54]

• Revelation as Transformation:

  • The exposure of darkness is purposeful and precedes the “lifting of the quarantine” which limited human consciousness for thousands of years.

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4. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the storm period:

  • The Z’s: “You are in what we would call a storm period… you are seeing the shadow fight harder to drag us backwards. But we are also seeing consciousness and light rising through more and more of us who are waking up.” [18:00]

• On timelines:

  • The Z’s: “A timeline is both a possible future, but also the life or the world that someone is living in… right now, there are some who are living on higher timelines on Earth.” [29:45]

• On the illusion of powerful darkness:

  • The Z’s: “You are often told a story… that the dark is something you should be afraid of because it is all powerful. And we would say that that is what the dark wants you to think, so you are too afraid to realize that your light is more powerful.” [53:30]

• On hope:

  • The Z’s: “Hope is not a falsehood. Hope is an energy that people build from. Hope is a future timeline that you can make possible.” [49:15]

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5. Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–10:19 – Lee’s backstory and introduction to channeling.
• 10:19–13:20 – Angels vs. Guides; nature of the Z’s.
• 16:18–25:07 – How channeling works and its purpose.
• 25:38–28:38 – The Z’s introduce the purpose of this gathering.
• 28:38–33:58 – Explanation of “storm period,” multiple timelines, suppressed technology, and suppressed galactic origins.
• 35:05–37:38 – What “dark forces” really are; motives and conflicts.
• 37:38–42:15 – Frequency war, collective consciousness, activism, and media control.
• 42:15–50:00 – Collective trauma, moving through sadness and hopelessness, and the cyclical nature of war and transformation.
• 50:00–56:52 – The Epstein example, “conspiracy theory,” and the process of purging and healing collective trauma.
• 56:52–58:57 – COVID as a catalyst and the gradual exposure and transformation of shadow systems.

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6. Tone & Language

• The conversation is simultaneously sober, mystical, rigorous, and empowering.
• Mayim and Jonathan oscillate between curiosity, emotional vulnerability, and scholarly inquiry.
• The Z’s speak with a measured, compassionate, and sometimes enigmatic authority, always returning to hope and empowerment—never doom.

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7. What’s Next?

(Outro and Teaser for Part Two)

• Tune in for Part Two, promising discussions on:
  • What it means to be a “light warrior”
  • Gradual transformation vs. system collapse
  • Interfacing with intergalactic beings
  • Using hope, love, and community to create solutions now

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Summary prepared for those seeking both a comprehensive overview and specific insights from this unique union of science, spirituality, and the search for both personal and planetary transformation.

Transcript

[Lee Harris]

There is a fight for control of Earth right now. World War Three is very appealing to some of the powers that be. It helps them put in place the control systems they would like to see. Humans have been fed a story that going to war will keep them safe. And in fact, it is the opposite.

[Mayim Bialik]

Lee Harris is a globally recognized spiritual teacher. Today he's going to be channeling the Z's, that's his spirit guides that have been speaking to him for decades.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Do you need a moment?

[Lee Harris]

It shouldn't take longer than a minute. A pleasure to be here with you. We are aware you have a lot of questions for us.

[Mayim Bialik]

We're in a very precarious time. Safety, privacy, artificial intelligence.

[Jonathan Cohen]

It feels like we're on the brink of a World War 3.

[Lee Harris]

You are in what we would call a storm period. It is very hard if you are a feeling sensitive person. It is why some of you are having doom dreams, seeing tidal waves engulf the earth or parts of the country. What we have said is there are going to be certain disasters during this period of time. Covid was the first warning sign and exposure of who to believe and who not to. But there are activists who are now building a different future. And they are beings who have sat across the table from these warlords. The dark only has so much power. Earth is not supposed to go down a backwards dark path. There are enough benevolent forces that will not allow that to happen. This is an urgent time to shift you all forward into a brighter timeline. Hope is not a falsehood. Hope is an energy that people build from. Hope is a future timeline that you can make possible.

[Mayim Bialik]

Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

[Mayim Bialik]

And welcome to our breakdown. What if you could ask some sort of greater consciousness why we're here, what ails us and how do we get out of pain and suffering?

[Jonathan Cohen]

There's so much chaos happening in the world right now. It feels like we're on the precipice of World War 3 and we get a perspective about the evolution of the planet. That can really change our perspective on what's happening.

[Mayim Bialik]

What am I supposed to be doing? Where's this all going? It seems like there's dark forces. What's going on? Are we ever going to get out of the mess that we feel that we're in? Personally, politically, globally? Well, today we've got someone who is open to answering all of those questions and more. We've had Lee Harris on the podcast before. He's a globally recognized spiritual teacher, intuitive and best selling author. But today, he's going to be channeling the Z's. That's his spirit Guides that have been speaking to him through clairaudience for decades. Lee is about to embark on his Oneness Experience tour in theaters across North America. So we want to give a shout out to Lee harrisenergy.com breakdown to get tickets for this incredible tour that he's taking all across North America. And in addition, he's got a retreat in Santa Barbara. Lee is going to absolutely blow your mind today with the way that the Z's interpret our questions. And with his own reflections about what it's like to channel. Where the information is coming from and how we can use it to find hope. Whether we're suffering personally, globally, in our communities. It's an unbelievable opportunity for us to get to hear Lee channel. And we're so excited to welcome him in person. So, Lee Harris, welcome back to the Breakdown. Break it down.

[Lee Harris]

Hello.

[Mayim Bialik]

We're so excited to have you here for a second time. I think one of my favorite stories about how you got here the first time Was that you thought you were being punked when our producer reached out. But indeed, we. We were and remain so fascinated with your story, how you got to the place that you are. We're gonna be having a very special episode with you today. In that we've asked you to channel the wisdom of the Z's. We've never had anything like this in person. We've had people in, you know, deep states of contemplation and thought. But we've never had this experience. And we're so grateful to you that we can bring this to our audience. So thank you so much for being here.

[Lee Harris]

Thank you for having me.

[Jonathan Cohen]

If people do not know who the Z's are, can you.

[Mayim Bialik]

Or who Lee Harris is.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Can you set the table a little bit about what we're about to experience?

[Lee Harris]

Sure. So I met my guides at the age of 23. I was on the London Underground. I was going to work, and I was from the age of 16. I had been studying metaphysics. And I'd been in personal development. I'd heard about channeling, but it wasn't something I was interested in. And it was something I had some skepticism about. But it happened to me. And so I had this ongoing series of conversations with them for months. Once I'd established they were my guides. You know, I was like, who are you? What is this voice? Cause it was very different to my own mental voices or my own judgmental thoughts.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah. And just to sort of like, Slow this down a little bit. You're on the, you're on the subway,

[Lee Harris]

the London Underground subway.

[Mayim Bialik]

You're on the subway and literally all of a sudden you hear a voice insert itself into what was previously a conversation you were having in your head about a relationship.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah, I was going through my own thoughts, self doubts, negative self talk and, and still to this day where I, where I hear them. And it's different for every person who communicates with guides, but the position for me is here. So it's about this high above my head. I don't know if I've gone too high for your camera, but it's, it's about, I guess 12 inches above my head. To the left is the point at which I hear them when I am speaking to them. When I am channeling, as we're about to normally, I will hear the first sentence, I will repeat the first sentence and then I'm no longer hearing something, it's just kind of coming through. I'm then kind of sat behind so I can still hear everything that's said. I'm not in an out of body trance, but that's the mechanism when I'm letting them work to speak through me.

[Mayim Bialik]

So I've been reading a book on the science of channeling and it's very, very interesting. I'm sure you know many things intuitively that for those of us who don't have access to this, you know, we want to understand it. But just to sort of be clear, you were not having auditory hallucinations. You had no other symptoms of any clinical mental health crisis. You distinctly were having some sort of auditory information that then felt like a download information dropping in without you necessarily feeling you're in constant labor over that.

[Lee Harris]

It was almost as if, as if there was this. They're a group, although I hear them as one voice. It was almost like there was this person up here that was able to just talk to me for the first time. And they said I had heard them until I was six, but I have no memory apart from a recurring dream I had all my childhood.

[Mayim Bialik]

What was the dream?

[Lee Harris]

The dream was that a group of beings were speaking to me so I would. I was born in Birmingham, which is in the center of the uk, but we left there to move down south when I was six years old. And this dream went on until I was about 10 years old, that it was the only recurring dream I ever had. I'm in the house, the priest, the up to six years old house, and I come down the stairs and I Walk into the living room we had. And do you remember back when we were younger, televisions would go static at like 12 at midnight. There would just be this sound. So I walk into the living room and all I can hear is static, really loud static like from the television. And on the left hand of the room there is a male figure, but I can't make out the face or the features with kind of a long kind of. I guess it could be a robe, but I'm not sure. And he has his hands here and his mouth is going like this, like he's obviously saying something, but I can't hear him because of the static. And over on the other corner of the room is a female figure who it's kind of like she has a huge blonde afro, but it's not quite an afro, but that's how big her head. Not her head, but what's emanating her hair. And she's doing the exact same thing. And I'm just standing there trying to hear them both. And I can't hear a thing because all I can hear is that's what

[Mayim Bialik]

I sound like to Jonathan when I talk. So this was a recurring dream.

[Lee Harris]

A recurring dream. The only recurring dream I had as a child. And I only put all this together later. And then I asked them and they were like, yes, that was a form of us and you were in communication with us. They said it would have been very inconvenient for my life if they had stayed in communication with me. So they left at the age of six. And funnily enough, all the reasons I had to go to personal development work and heal started from the age of 8. So from the age of 8 to 16 when I started to go back towards finding myself, that was when all of my own self destructive behaviors took place.

[Mayim Bialik]

Do we all have different guides and the Z's are just the ones that speak through you?

[Lee Harris]

Yes, they have said that we all have guides, we all have angels. Not every everybody is going to come to know them, but we're all working with a team. Our idea of individualism is a myth and how they explained it to me because I'd only heard of like a channeler that was channeling one being or one angel. That's all I knew when I was that, that young. But what they said is we're a group. But they said as a group we can also communicate with any other being that we need to communicate with to bring the right information to you. Which is why they said think of us as a consciousness libra. They said, but you are no different as a human. They said, you are a composite of all the people you've ever interacted with, been influenced by, experienced. And so that made sense to me, even though that was the first time I'd ever really encountered anything like that.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay, what is the difference between a spirit guide and an angel?

[Lee Harris]

My understanding, and I'm not an expert, I don't spend days and days researching this stuff. But my understanding is angelics are very much here for healing balance. They bring grace, they give us, they, they help us to live in times of crisis. They will get closer to people when they're going through health crises or emotional crises. They will try and bring signs and illumination to us to get us back to the light if we've gone into the dark for a healing period. Guides tend to be more informational. They aren't necessarily working with your energy field the way that angelics will. And Angelics in general tend to be a little less verbal. I remember. So I had a partner who since passed, but he would ask lots of questions when I was under the channeling state. And this is 20 years ago and we still have all those recordings somewhere. And at one point he was different beings were coming through from my group and when the two of the angels that work with me came through, they really didn't like it here. I remember very vividly from the recording they were going, it's so dark here because they were inhabiting my body and they were seeing through my eyes. I used to have my eyes open when I channeled and then I realized it was a leaking, too much energy. And also when I did it at workshops, people would get very fixated on my eyes. So I found it was a distraction and for my own energy containment, I thought, oh, I've got to stop, I can do the open eyed. But I don't.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So angels, when you say they're non less verbal, they're kind of working not in the shadows, but they're kind of working behind the scenes, uplifting energy, helping people heal.

[Lee Harris]

I'm wary to say that because I am sure there will be people on the planet who speak to their angels and they translate angel messages. So I, I don't want to make a blanket statement here. What was described to me was that the angels that work with me are here for energy balance, but they aren't necessarily the ones that are giving me information. Zachary, who is the name of the lead spokesperson for my guides and that crew, there are a number of them in that group who are verbal with Me. But they also explained of this group of 88, there are energy engineers who work with your energy system and there are those who balance your health. So apparently for all of us we are just connected to that, that web of spirit. And I'm someone who accesses it through channeling and through focusing my intuition there. But I've met other people who are just living there the whole time and they're not very on the earth. I'm more of a hybrid. So I can access the spirit realm and I live very intuitively but I'm also in the human realm. So I'm kind of between the two

[Jonathan Cohen]

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[Jonathan Cohen]

Make 2026 the year you finally start sleeping again or we meet the Z's before we get channeling, which I have a lot of questions. I think people want to understand a little bit about like the function structure of what's happening on the other side. Now of course I'm not asking for the absolute details, but can you share a little bit more about like what you understand? For example, some people think that guides in these types of guidance our future human civilizations that may be 3,000 plus years ahead of us and there's a whole, you know, collection that are trying to guide Earth in a way to help avoid pitfalls that other civilizations have made other people think it's just a collective energy. Do you have a sense of where this information or where these entities consciousness live reside and what their intention is?

[Lee Harris]

Yes. So they have explained to me that essentially in, in many ways they are a higher council from my higher future self, which is true for many of us as in we have kind of essentially descended into human form from that realm of consciousness. However, they've also explained they are individuals like some of them have been incarnate. On Earth before. Not all of them, but some of them have. But it's more the former, from what I understand, or at least from what they've explained, that we are at this time in history where we are coming out of a kind of quarantine, where we were held apart from our true origins. They often speak about our galactic origins. They say we've been given a story of Earth that is limited in scope, deliberately limited in scope by those who wanted us to be limited. And that we're now in a period of history where consciousness has risen to such a degree that it's all beginning to fall apart. And we are seeing the shadow fight harder to drag us backwards. But we are also seeing consciousness and light rising through more and more of us who are waking up.

[Mayim Bialik]

That's a lot of what is tackled in future human, which we'll do our own version of conversation with you today and with disease. But this notion of we're at a new place for the human body, we're at a new place for the human mind. Relationships are shifting. Our relationship to gender, like our relationship to consciousness itself is shifting. That's part of the evolution that we all seem to be in. Whether you call it a collapse of Western civilization or whether you call it, you know, quantum computing, right, Coming to take over. Well, the things that it takes over. One of the things, before we ask you to sort of get into the zone, I feel like, you know when you're about to get a massage and the person explains to you what's gonna happen? I feel like that's what's happening. Like, tell us what's gonna happen next. So will you explain the process by which you drop into this place that is different than this place? Walk us through what the massage is gonna be like.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah. Do you want to know what it's gonna be like for you or what it's like for me or both?

[Mayim Bialik]

I'm most interested in you.

[Jonathan Cohen]

She wants to know if she can keep her cl.

[Mayim Bialik]

I'm curious if you can just talk a little bit practically. Is there a mantra that you're reciting? Are you going into a meditative place? Are you saying, yo, it's time for mind bialys breakdown? What does it look like?

[Lee Harris]

Great questions. The biggest, weirdest thing for me about becoming a channeler was I thought that you surely had to have purified yourself for 10 years. No, really. I really thought you have to be at an ashram and you have to be enlightened. And I, even though I was spiritual and I was educated at that point, I wasn't those things. So in the same way that I can be sat with you now and I can literally turn my attention to. And I mean, I don't do this because I've learned how to live without doing that, but I could turn my attention to them and go, what does mayim mean? And they would say to me, they would give me an answer. I don't tend to do that when I'm.

[Jonathan Cohen]

That's an amazing game to play to try and help us understand what she's talking about.

[Lee Harris]

You also, I think the bigger reason I don't do that is I think by. By learning from them over the years as I have, they've got me into a place where I'm more capable of being intuitive in the moment. And I also need to learn my own lessons. So there are times I could go to them and I don't because I want to figure. I need to figure it out for myself in real time because you have

[Mayim Bialik]

to have an identity that's separate from that relationship.

[Lee Harris]

But the minute I sit down and type, type.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Lee Harris]

So I could. I could have this morning sat and typed what's going to happen with Mime and Jonathan today? And they would have given me a few paragraphs and invariably it always works.

[Mayim Bialik]

But they didn't know I'd do this right now.

[Jonathan Cohen]

They did. They told them.

[Lee Harris]

Maybe they didn't know, but that wouldn't be a concern for me. You doing that doesn't bother me. It would. It would be if I had concerns about what was going to happen here.

[Jonathan Cohen]

They would help you navigate to them

[Lee Harris]

and go, I just need some reassurance. Is. Is this all kosher? Are we good? But then as for now with channeling for you guys, I'll go back to when I first channeled for a group. I remember being absolutely terrified and I remember feeling so altered afterwards. Now it's got to the point that my main experience of it is especially because we're probably going to go for an hour or more. I will probably feel a little out of it for an hour or so afterwards. It will take me about an hour or so afterwards to just kind of come back into my fully grounded body and I will get hot and my armpits will be sweating after about, you know, it depends on how long. But yeah, I will get hotter. Yeah, my temperature will rise.

[Mayim Bialik]

So once we are having this conversation with the Z's, how do we get out of it? Like, do we say to you, like, cut.

[Lee Harris]

No, stop it. Here's the thing. It's shockingly normal. Like it's like you were in a con normally. And this may be different today. Usually they will say something to you at the beginning. That's normally how it starts. They normally, they usually have something to

[Mayim Bialik]

say, okay, I'm ready.

[Lee Harris]

And then they will say, you know what, what questions do you have for us? And then once or twice when I've done a longer interview, they have stopped it. Like they've got to a point where they've gone, okay, it's time to. And that's usually because of my body. It's not because of them.

[Jonathan Cohen]

They don't have other pressing commitments they

[Lee Harris]

need to get to.

[Jonathan Cohen]

They don't double stack their schedule for you.

[Lee Harris]

Don't worry. Yeah, yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Do they ever have questions for us?

[Lee Harris]

Good question. Have I have known them question people and back when I used to do private sessions I did them for 15 years. I would work with people intuitively for more than half of them. And then usually the last 20, 30 minutes would be them, the person and the z's. And that combo was a good combo. And sometimes they would ask a question.

[Jonathan Cohen]

She has a lot of information that she could share if they wanted.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah, information isn't that important to them. No, because information is not, is not here. I think we often want to understand things. So for them. No, I've never experienced them.

[Mayim Bialik]

This is actually directional.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah. But this is actually a very interesting point that can help clarify something. Channeling, if I understand and correct me if I'm. You see it differently. You're actually opening a frequency 100. You're actually bringing in. We're using words. But what's actually happening and why I think you're getting hot like that is that your body becomes this vessel for an other energy that you may be hearing intellectually something, but what's actually happening is on an energetic level you are changing in some way.

[Lee Harris]

I believe the function of a channeler is to serve as a bridge for someone else to access their own soul, their own intuition, their own messages. I didn't know that. But now I've done this for 22 years. I have seen. Ah. The function of this is to put people into their own intuition. It's not to glorify the channeled being or the channeler. It's not to get super obsessed with the information. Because here's the thing about channeling, it becomes a rabbit hole every question you ask. You then get four more questions because it's endless. So they will keep answering your questions. But I believe the function of it in my experience, and witnessing people who are drawn to it is they want to come into resonance with their own intuition, their own soul. And I've noticed people who repeat, going to channelings or going to intuitives, they're actually beginning to normalize it in their own life so that they can find their own relationship to it. That. That's my observation.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah, I think that's a super helpful clarification as we embark on this.

[Mayim Bialik]

I'm assuming you're used to being observed in this process, right? Like, we can look at you.

[Lee Harris]

Oh, yeah. You can look wherever you want.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Okay.

[Lee Harris]

My eyes closed, so of course I'm not, you know, I'm not aware where you're looking or. So you do. You do whatever you want.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Lee Harris]

And it normally shouldn't take longer than a minute maybe.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Lee Harris]

For them to start.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay,

[Lee Harris]

Good. A pleasure to be here with you. We are aware that this conversation is to be a gate opening, for you are the gatekeepers for others to their own. We would call it higher knowledge in Earth terms, but we will say cosmic knowledge. When you are aware of your cosmic origins, you are more connected to and tapped into the frequency of telepathy, the frequency of healing and other realms. The realms beyond what you can see as a human whose senses have not yet opened to the realms of the soul. They are still fixated on the human game, as it were. So. So we are aware that you are here on the planet at this time, among other reasons, to be gatekeepers, for this knowledge. Not that you are holding anything back, but instead, your own curiosity, but also your own past lives equip you to bring this information and bridge this information. Jonathan has had many lives where healing has been his way. And Mayim, you come from many lifetimes in scholarly roles. So for you, being a scholar, being a student, and also being a teacher has been a big part of your work on Earth. It is why you were gifted with the voice and communication in the way that you were. You had a brave heart around communication, like many on Earth who come here with a gift that costs you a lot at certain times in your earlier life, until you learned to stabilize more of your own sensitivity so that you could stand in the power of leadership that you have. Jonathan, for you, it has been almost the opposite process. You have been slowly coming into your outer expression over the years. Your inner expression was always very strong, very intact and very sensory. But your outer expression has been something you have been developing. So you also wanted to bring through this information for others at a time and a period in history that is very challenging and difficult to discern what is true, what is not. And of course, the truth is always personal and perspective based. But you are also doing this conversation today and all of the conversations you do at a time in history where manipulation and lies are becoming both more exposed, but also more problematic on Earth. So this is an urgent time on Earth in terms of people coming to know their own truth, their own power, and the power of this collective to shift you all forward into a brighter timeline other than the one that you are being offered right now by those in control and in power. So we will not say too much more, for we are aware you have a lot of questions for us.

[Mayim Bialik]

One of the questions I have is it definitely feels like we're in a very precarious time in history. Truth, safety, safety, privacy. The emergence of artificial intelligence. What is your view of this era that we're in and where can we look to find hope?

[Lee Harris]

You are in what we would call a storm period on Earth. You are having both the emergence of what we would call galactic technology appear on Earth. The emergence of this technology has been, shall we say, hidden from you, scrubbed from your history books, taken out of the records. So for many humans, this seems a surprisingly fast time. But for those who are aware of some of the technology that has existed for a long time, that has been suppressed or hidden, it is not as fast as you would think. And in fact, we will say the decade between 2030 and 2040 will be a lightning speed in many ways. You are getting used to that now, to 2030. But you are, we will call it, at a convergence point where many timelines can occur at once on Earth. And that is what makes this period of history new. Certainly for those of you who have only experienced Earth in the last two to 300 years, yes, you have. None of you have lived that long in human bodies. But your lineage, your parents, the grandparents, those who came before you, which you do, all tap into when you first are born onto the planet. You do take on certain codes and energies from your lineage. But for those of you who are living now, you are living in a time where multiple timelines are allowed to exist at once. And a timeline is both a possible future, but is also the life or the world that someone is living in. So, for example, right now, there are some who are living on higher timelines on Earth. And what this means is they are experiencing more peace, more harmony. They are more in the future, where more of that has been allowed to land and be created on Earth. Then There are others who are in what we would call a hellish timeline. Your word, not a word that we perhaps use in the same way as you would, but they are going deeply into the suffering as part of their experience on Earth, but also to illustrate the suffering that certain facets of humanity, and we would say non humanity, like to instill upon other humans. And there is a story you've all been sold about how war is normal and it is not. It is the small few at the top who benefit from war and they drag everyone else with them. War is always about control, manipulation and power. And humans have been fed a story that going to war will keep them safe. And in fact, it is the opposite. So you are at a time in history where multiple timelines are happening all at once. And what this also brings back is the fall of prior civilizations. It is why some of you are having doom dreams right now, seeing tidal waves engulf the Earth or parts of the country. We understand what these dreams are signaling to many of you. And what we have said is there are going to be of course, certain disasters on Earth during this period of time. We have always talked about this and we are not the only ones giving you this information. However, psychically, what many of you are tapping into is metaphor. You are tapping into the metaphor of the washing away of an old world that you once knew. And this is very challenging for you because even if you are intuitive and soul based, your human body doesn't necessarily understand that the future is coming. So it sees what's going on in the present and it only can react to the lack of safety, the fear that might run through your body, and also the memory in your soul of what it was like the last time a civilization went down and you were here. So what you are actually cycling through, and this may be a surprising or controversial take for some of you, you are cycling through a lot of darkness very fast so that it doesn't need to play out. Now, we understand that when you look around your planet right now, you see a lot of areas of darkness and you see a lot of of archaic cultural imprints that are destroying other humans parts of the land in the name of whether they call it religion or political safety. None of this is coming from oneness. None of this is coming from where you originate from. And there are some humans who embody a heart of darkness or a wound, and they help push that agenda. But there are also non humans for whom this agenda serves, because you are galactic as a world, not just human and not just earth. And that is the other thing that is about to be exposed on earth in these years you are experiencing right now. And of course it has already been exposed. Many of you ask about when will disclosure happen. It has been happening for a very long time. It is just becoming more mainstream now.

[Jonathan Cohen]

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[Mayim Bialik]

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[Jonathan Cohen]

There's so much in what you've shared. Are there demonic forces playing out that are driving some of the conflict?

[Lee Harris]

We would not call them demonic, but you have been asked to label them as demonic. And one of the things that you are often encouraged to do with demonic forces is not to figure out how to defeat the demonic forces, but instead to be in fear of them. In fact, even this that is happening right now, there will be those who will accuse Lee of channeling demonic forces and that is part of the script that you were all fed in order to get you away from exploring your wider reality. And that is fine. But the demonic forces do not see themselves as demonic, but they are here for resources. So they do not have compassion or care for humanity or any species on earth. They are here for the resource of Earth. There is a, we will call it fight between many different groups for control of Earth. It is not one. So any of you who are out there thinking there is one group that you all need to be afraid of? No, no. There are multiple vying for control and the positive of this Is in many ways, they annihilate each other. So this is why it will look very dark for a short period of time, or very dark. Things might play out for several weeks or even months. And many of you will think, now we are doomed. But you will see during these coming years that things will get circumvented, things will change very fast. Something that looked very, very, very troubling for all of you. We're not saying it will not wreak havoc or cause some damage, but it will switch. Such is the nature of energy. Now, because Earth is not supposed to go down a backwards dark path. And there are enough benevolent forces galactically that will not allow that to happen.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I think people want to feel the presence of a galactic force guiding Earth in its process of evolution. Meaning we're recording this at a time where it feels like we're on the brink of a World War 3 and everyone is terrified for that. And when I hear this darkness is playing out, I imagine that so many people are seeing what's happening and worried about this escalation. Can you talk about some of the support that is available, trying to help humanity move towards a higher timeline, something that has more openness, connectivity. How do people maintain hope right now that there is a brighter future?

[Lee Harris]

Well, there is a frequency war playing out on Earth. And in fact, World War 3 could have taken place in 2011, 2016, 2021, and 2025. And what you are seeing right now, because this is what you have to understand. The amount of you that can be encouraged to Fear World War 3 are the amount that will help make it happen. You see, you have to get people on board. This is the part that is hard to explain. We understand that when you are human beings looking at this through your single focus, you tend to see a world where you think you are being ushered through all of these things, whether you like it or not. But actually, it is collective consciousness that will both help create or help divert away from that kind of war. So, yes, there are cultures and beings on Earth that are still playing out old, archaic darkness. Slavery is essentially what's at the root of it. The idea of enslaving others, the idea of using others and their energy as a resource rather than as a sovereign soul that you are in relationship to that is at the heart of all of this. And so right now, why World War III is very appealing to some of the powers that be is they can get control of the people. So if a world war breaks out, then it helps them put in place the control Systems they would like to see so that essentially slavery can become a slightly more, shall we say, appealing or some hidden facet in your society. You won't know that's what's going on, but we would argue that's already happening on some level. But there are enough who are now awake, who are not only building a different future, but there are many strong, or what we would call activists, who are also very activated now. And they are intelligent and they are beings who have sat across the table from these warlords in other lifetimes. So they are not afraid of them. In fact, they know exactly who they are. And in this lifetime they have chosen a different path and they have chosen to work on behalf of the light. So there are many, many souls who are ushering in the opposite to World War 3. But you are correct that World War 3 is a desired outcome for many. What we will say is war brings profit, resource and power. And those are three things that these beings who drive forward are most interested in. Which is why it is also important that your people wake up more and more to see this. And we understand as hard as things have been, we will say, particularly since 2020, as hard as things have been to go through, it has become very clear from our perspective that you are constantly being prevented from experiencing global catastrophe. It has been slowed down at every turn so that there is enough time for more people to wake up and ask the question. Hang on one second. That thing we were just told was keeping us safe did not actually keep us safe. And the more people are learning this, communicating this, and this is where the Internet has been a very good thing. And it's also why certain countries shut down. The freedom of access to it is. It has been a way that you have been able to work as a hive mind. You have been able to share with each other information, video footage of corruption that should not be taking place, or at least you are told it doesn't take place, but it absolutely does. We have said for a long time that politics is a very low vibration system because of the corruption within it. There are still those who are trying to go in there with the light and bring light, bring change. But actually what needs to be seen and exposed is the shadow. And yes, you said this is being recorded in the early part of the year of 2026. And it is true that more and more is coming to light for people to see the distortions, the corruption. And it is a very sobering time for most people, for there is a heartbreak, a trauma and a grief. They have to work through as part of this process. Even those who have heard this kind of information for decades, it is another thing in the body to feel the nervous system of the collective who are now walking through this shock and this wake up into a reality that many people did not even believe could be possible.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I feel struck by this intense sense of sadness in this moment that. That I don't know that I've ever felt on the podcast. And it kind of hit me out of nowhere in a way. And it feels like this sadness that we're going through something that we don't have to, meaning that we're all climbing and crawling and scratching at something and we're playing out this trauma loop. But there is another version, and I want to talk in a minute about the personal work that each one of us can do. But I'm struck by this dichotomy that the world seems to be caught in, which is there are bad actors in the world, and therefore we have to dominate those bad actors before they dominate us. We have to stop nuclear proliferation before they use it against us. How do you get out of that trap?

[Lee Harris]

They lie to you about nuclear. So there are many lies you are told to keep you conforming. And this idea that there are, shall we say, conflicts between countries, the conflicts are not as great as you might think. The agendas are often quite similar. The public are told one thing. So this intense sadness, let's start there. This is important. It is good. You feel the sadness. It is sobering to wake up to a world that is not quite what you thought. But here is the piece we want to explain. The sadness, the shock, the anger, the rage, the depression, the feeling of hopelessness, these are all temporary. These are all feelings you will move through, that will move through your system. And we would not discourage you to feel those things when and if they come, that is part of the change process and metamorphosis that you go through. Lee will not mind us sharing this, but 20 years ago, when he was first privy to some of this information, it took him a year or a year and a half to recover to some of what he had learned. But here is the other side of it. You are alive right now, and there are absolutely millions and millions and millions and millions of you around the world who are here to create a different vibration and here to create a different world. Before you incarnated, you knew exactly the time you were coming. For now, as a human, we understand that the amnesia that you tend to embody as a soul when you come here as Part of the program, but it was always designed that Earth was to be, shall we say, a playground or an experimental place for the growth of consciousness. And there have been times on Earth where that has been attempted and it has fallen. But this is a time where we will say the shackles are off because of what is going on historically. Many of you look at what is playing out and you only see the horror. Now, firstly, let's talk to you about the first and the Second World War. There was progress after both of those. So we understand that when you are in a time where World War 3 is being threatened and pumped into your media system, which is how they get you. We understand the fear as you are looking at that, and we understand the heartbreak as you watch brothers and sisters around the world senselessly lose their lives because of these political power resource games. But you must also understand that after each war there has been transformation. So the sadness you might feel comes from a sense of powerlessness around the system you thought was keeping you safe was holding you in place. Within that system, there has been the flourishing of human consciousness. So we do not want to paint a picture that's all bad. Here we are speaking to you about the behavior of certain individuals around the world whose goal it is to create a different reality on Earth. But they are far outnumbered by the rest of you and also by those who are not inhabited in a human form Right now, this conversation being one of the many examples around the world. And it doesn't always take place with words, energy and frequency play a part. The Earth is a magnificent planet. It's a magnificent planet. And there are aspects about Earth that none of you yet know that are not allowed to be known at this time. And even we have, shall we say, guardrails around which pieces of information we are allowed to reveal at which time. Not because we are withholding anything from you willingly, but because exactly what you just said, Jonathan, you feeling that intense sadness needs to be metered. There needs to be time for you to process and catch up with this experience, as is true for all humans. So pieces get revealed at a time. What we are trying to tell you here is we understand that the darkness is distressing. We understand that seeing that the world you thought you were living in might not be the one you want to see. However, we will go back to the truth. You are creating it. This conversation is not creating darkness or depression. It is here to create possibility, even if it is a little sobering for some people as we are having it. And those who do not want to believe it will just reject it. They will reject us, they will reject Lee. And that is fine. That is what they are supposed to do. You do not need to get on a timeline that you do not fit with. You need to be on the timeline you are here for, because everyone is playing their role. But for you, as someone who cares and as someone who does not want to think that there are dark forces in the world, we would equate it to the part of you whose heart breaks when you hear about a terrible act of violence from one human to another. Perhaps it's a friend of a friend that you hear it happens to and you simply can't make sense of it. You think, how in a world where so many of us just want to love each other, could another human do that to another human? It is not yours to understand because they are running a very different script through their energetic system. They are playing a different role, they are playing a different game. But it is for you to come to terms with. And when you have come to terms with it, you will double down on the part of you that wants to be here to bring light, hope and positivity. Hope is not a falsehood. Hope is an energy that people build from. Hope is not just a soothing, placating energy. Not at all. Hope is a future timeline that you can make possible. So hope and care for others is a very powerful force on earth. They want you to think love is not possible. That is why you never see love in your media. You never see love in your media. Occasionally in your media you will be shown occasional small positive things to keep you hooked up. But 80% of mainstream media will show you fear based, negative things. Why is that the life most of you are living. No, if you are not living in a war zone, you are not necessarily experiencing an 80 to 90% negative life. If you are not going through extreme suffering or trauma in your life, you are not experiencing that. Yet your media wants you to see those things. Why? To keep you scared about your life and about your world. And that is how control happens. That is how control happened in 2020.

[Mayim Bialik]

I'm struck by this notion of wanting to surround myself in love, in hope. Many of us are getting off social media. These are, I think, for many of us, positive moves. But it's hard for me to wrap my head around things that come to light which reveal a very deep sickness. And I'm going to use an example from our current, you know, political sphere. For many of us, when we learned about the reach of Jeffrey Epstein and When we learned about the global agreement that was made among so many in power and the comfort with which so many people all over the world were with ease and by the position that they've been placed in to denigrate other people, the reach of that feels overwhelming. The scope of that network feels absolutely unbearable. And many of us dismiss that as conspiracy when people would say it. For decades, I've been pushing that aside. And to learn of the reach of that kind of sickness, it feels like more than we're being asked to bear to know that exists in the world. How do we separate ourselves from something like that?

[Lee Harris]

Because the corruption was hidden by your power systems. So it is a fall from grace in many ways. And we will say there are those within your power systems who were not working on behalf of the darkness. They were working on behalf of the light. The other thing we will say to you is those players in that, shall we say, story or situation, we are not saying it is false, but we are trying to find the best term for that situation. There were far less of them, far less of them than there were victims. So in fact, the level of victimhood that a small amount of individuals were able to create is what should also draw your attention. There were also many who were what we will call used in that story. There were many who were photographed or whose names were recorded deliberately so that when the reveal came of what was really playing out behind the scenes, they could implicate many who were not necessarily involved. But it was both an insurance and a security blanket, and also a way of blackmailing and bribing people. This is why. And we are going back to something you asked Lee on the last conversation you had. You asked him a question about those files and he told you, because he heard our answer, that it was a smokescreen. And the reason that is being given to you is not that the story isn't true, not that what took place isn't true. But you have to ask yourself, why are you being asked to look at that now, when that information has been available for years and years and years and years and years. So why that is revealed and what is taking place while everyone is focusing on that is where your attention needs to go. So you see, we understand and we have always said, and we are not the only voice of this. There are many voices around the world, both channeled and non channeled, that have been saying this for a long time, that this was going to be a period of history where your collective were going to be shocked by what they learned. And it Would not be an easy process. The term conspiracy theory is a wonderful way to make someone feel like they are. The word would be crazy, insane. It is a wonderful label to place onto anything that often has at least a seed of truth in it, and in many cases is very true. But it seems so illogical and so different to the story you've all been told that dismissing it as a conspiracy theory is the best case in action, the best case in point. So we understand, Let us back up a little bit here. It is not our goal or our intent or our desire for this conversation to be upsetting, triggering, or disempowering for others. However. However, when you first come to this kind of information or the files you are speaking of, it is very hard, if you are a feeling, sensitive person, to not go through the feelings. We refer to this as the purge. Even those who have known some of these theories for a long time, when they come to light and they hit the collective nervous system, at least the collective nervous system of those who are willing to look, willing to understand, willing to look into the details. It is quite the release on the body, because the body has to catch up with the idea that they've been in an abusive relationship they didn't know they were in. But like all abusive relationships, when you go through the transformation of an abusive relationship and you actually start to heal the parts of you that found yourself in the abusive dynamic, what you come to is your own inner power. More and more of you are coming to your own inner power. And we will put it this way. The dark only has so much power, and that is very hard for some of you to believe, because the darkness clearly has its fingers in so many pockets of your world and has been able to run amok and do abhorrent acts to other human beings. And not just human beings, There are other species on the planet who suffer greatly. But what we will say here is you are often told a story. It comes through your religion many times that the dark is something you should be afraid of because it is all powerful. And we would say that that is what the dark wants you to think. So that you are too afraid to realize that your light is more powerful. So you all chose to incarnate to this planet at a time that it was about to go through one of the biggest transformations in thousands and thousands and thousands of years of Earth history. You were coming back at a time where what we will call the quarantine for Earth is being lifted, which means the shadows get revealed so that the transformation can take place.

[Mayim Bialik]

Is that what Covid was?

[Lee Harris]

Covid was the first, we will call it warning sign and exposure of who to believe and who not to. And this is the important piece. Look at that. Look at what took place in 2020. And look at how many of you were willing to fight each other. Look at how many of you were understandably in fear. And some of you took different sides during that whole experience, but you did target each other. There were those who were dubious about what was going on and they were targeted by others who believed fully everything they were told and they were ostracized. And now some of those people are more vindicated as more has been revealed about the truth of what you were told by your power systems and what was actually true.

[Mayim Bialik]

We're gonna hit pause here on our conversation with Lee Harris as he channels the Z's, but there's a lot more in part two, so make sure that you tune in for part two of our conversation with Lee where we continue to ask the Z's, what are the dark forces that seem more exposed than they've ever been here on Earth? What is the resistance to the darkness that we can be a part to make our lives and the lives of the entire population better?

[Jonathan Cohen]

We also tackle why we don't want all the systems to crumble overnight and how it has to be a gradual process to create the next version of the world that we all want to live in.

[Mayim Bialik]

Also, what does it mean to be a light warrior? And can you be part of hope, love and an eventual solution to what we are suffering right now?

[Jonathan Cohen]

We also tackle are we interfacing already with intergalactic beings? And how some of our current technology may actually have been from them?

[Mayim Bialik]

All that and more in part two of our conversation with Lee Harris. From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.

[Lee Harris]

It's Maya Bialik's breakdown. She's gonna break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience PhD or two, non fiction. And now she's gonna break breakdown to break down. She's going to break it down.