Part Two: Lee Harris on Fear As Control, Light Warriors, And Why Humanity’s Rise Is Already Happening

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Mayim Bialik’s Breakdown – Part Two: Lee Harris on Fear As Control, Light Warriors, And Why Humanity’s Rise Is Already Happening

Host: Mayim Bialik
Co-host: Jonathan Cohen
Guest: Lee Harris (channeling “the Z’s”)
Date: April 16, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the intersection of spirituality and current global turbulence, with Lee Harris channeling his spiritual guides, “the Z’s.” The conversation digs into the collapse of old systems, fear as a method of control, the power of grassroots movements, intuition development, the coming "rise of humanity," and the role of extraterrestrial contact in our collective evolution.

Harris, with deep, visionary insights, guides Mayim and Jonathan (and the listener) through personal and planetary transformations, urging listeners to recognize their power, navigate division, and actively participate in building a new era of expanded consciousness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Current State: Fear, Control, and Systemic Breakdown [03:57–10:53]

• Exposing Control through Fear:
  The Z’s discuss how fear is the primary method of mass control—especially the fear of death and "the other." They highlight how division is manufactured to keep people compliant and powerless.

  “Fear is how you get control. Be mindful of being asked to separate from, judge or divide from others.” – The Z’s (Lee Harris) [03:39; repeated throughout]

• Erosion of Rights and Rise of Grassroots Resistance:
  They reflect on the erosion of human rights in recent years and urge attention to grassroots resistance:

  “Pay attention to the grassroots movements in the areas that have been most struck. The amount of people saying no and the way they are figuring out how to say no.” – The Z’s [04:05]

• A Revolution Unlike Any Before:
  Unlike “old style revolutions,” the change now is more energetic, decentralized, and built from within communities filling in the gaps as centralized systems crumble.

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2. Empowerment, Intuition, and Rebuilding Society [09:49–16:01]

• Personal Empowerment Amidst Chaos:
  The Z’s stress the importance of personal empowerment and facing difficult feelings rather than suppressing them.

  “Feel the sadness, feel the grief, feel the anger, feel the rage, feel the devastation. Those feelings won't last because your will to live and your will to build a new world will kick in.” – The Z’s [07:53]

• Decentralization and the Danger of Centralized Power:
  Jonathan presses on the dangers of centralized technology and media controlling society. The Z’s reaffirm that slow, region-by-region innovation and new systems are already quietly taking root:

  “There is a growing force of individuals that you may not even know about who are already building the new world.” – The Z’s [11:22]

• Globalization Will Not Succeed as Intended:
  They predict that ego-driven globalization "will implode on itself," and that centralized control will not be sustainable due to internal collapses among power-hungry groups.

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3. Avoiding Division and the Power of Communication [13:10–19:02]

• Beware of Division as a Tool for Control:
  The Z’s urge listeners not to fall for polarization or demonization of opposing groups. Instead:

  “Division has been manufactured… Getting you to fight each other is the fastest way to get you compliant and out of your collective power.” – The Z’s [13:44]

• Communicate Truth with Compassion:
  They recommend calmly communicating your perspective ("lovingly and peacefully communicate your truth")—not to convince, but to plant seeds that may take root later [14:12].

• Personal Mission and Collective Action:
  Everyone has a soul mission, whether it's parenting or opening minds, and should consciously seek to amplify love, higher consciousness, and constructive action.

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4. The Rise of Humanity: Light Warriors & the Next Five Years [19:02–24:52]

• Rapid Spiritual & Metaphysical Advancement:
  The Z’s predict a dramatic surge in empowered individuals (“light warriors”) and collective awakening over the next five years:

  “You have never seen the rise of humanity in your lifetime on Earth the way you are about to see it in the next five years. And it will be glorious in many ways.” – The Z’s [21:50]

• Galactic Contact & Normalization:
  More people will disclose experiences with extraterrestrials/UAPs, which will move these topics from the fringe into the mainstream [22:55].

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5. Extraterrestrial Disclosure & Humanity’s Galactic Context [24:26–28:53]

• Contact Already Happening:
  Harris states we are “already interfacing with extraterrestrial beings,” and that “much of your technology was taken from there.” Official disclosure and data releases (previously hidden) are imminent [24:52].

• Skepticism and Discernment Needed:
  The coming years will require discernment around these revelations:

  “You will have to discern, is this true or is this untrue? That is going to be part of the game in the coming years.” – The Z’s [25:18]

• The Larger, Galactic Perspective:
  Souls are not “just human”—we are “part of galactic consciousness,” and this realization will further accelerate change [26:12].

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6. Earth as a Consciousness Experiment & Personal Soul Connections [28:53–33:02]

• Experiment Beyond Earthly Meaning:
  The Z’s confirm that events on Earth ripple into the cosmos—Earth, Atlantis, and now humanity are all experiments in consciousness which affect the wider universe [29:52, 48:36].

• Personal Soul Contracts:
  Mayim and Jonathan’s partnership is part of recurring soul group interactions (“allies, partners, enemies”) designed for mutual learning, indicative of how relationships help advance personal and planetary missions [30:17].

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7. Hope, Breakthroughs, and Handling Fear [33:02–36:39]

• Hope Despite Darkness:
  The Z’s encourage listeners not to give in to despair:

  “Please do not give up on your sense of hope or light for the future. …You are going to see continual breakthroughs in the coming years. Things will look dark for a while and then all of a sudden things will shift.” – The Z’s [33:04]

• Innate Human Instinct for Unity:
  Even with engineered division, humans will instinctively come together when the chips are down, further fueling the rise of embodied consciousness [34:29].

• Let Go of Hierarchy:
  The Z's warn against internal or external hierarchy (“superiority and inferiority… will only limit you from love.”) [35:17]

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8. Channeling, Energy Shifts, and Processing the Shadow [36:39–44:48]

• Physical Effects of Channeling:
  Channeling deep, transformative information—especially about society’s “shadow”—can provoke nausea or intense energy shifts, reflecting the body’s response to collective trauma and necessary “upgrades.” [37:11–38:28]

• The Challenge of Messaging:
  Lee discusses the vulnerability and complexity of public channeling, including skepticism and the need for him to “own” the message while honoring he’s a conduit [43:58].

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9. Developing Intuition and Spiritual Discernment [54:15–57:53]

• Know Yourself First:
  Lee stresses the importance of personal development alongside spirituality, warning that spiritual practice alone can become escapism or magical thinking without self-awareness (therapy, reflection, self-inquiry) [54:56].

• Intuition as a Skill:
  Intuition isn’t just a one-off event—it’s a learning process. Trust your process, observe when your intuition serves you, and remain honest about your triggers and programming [56:23].

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10. Community, Collaboration & the Future [57:53–62:39]

• Inter-channeler Relationships:
  Lee confirms most channelers are aware of each other and “up there, it’s all much more known.” They sometimes appear together for “channel panels,” offering multiple vantage points on disclosure, energy, and societal evolution [57:53–59:10].

• Lee’s Personal Experience:
  Lee gets recognized but keeps a grounded, local lifestyle. His own growth has included overcoming fear of public scrutiny and learning to hold space for skepticism [54:03–54:15].

• Upcoming Events:
  He briefly discusses his transformative retreats and tour, emphasizing live, intuitive connections with audiences [60:52].

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11. Closing Notes: Synthesis & Reflections [62:22–end]

• Personal Growth as Barometer:
  Mayim reflects: “I really love this emphasis on personal growth, personal work, and not just sort of turning everything over to the spiritual universe. You have to also do the work yourself.” [63:02–63:18]

• Breakdown to Breakthrough:
  The conversation affirms the show's core ethos—breakdown is an opportunity for breakthrough, on both personal and planetary levels.

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Notable Quotes

• “You are souls who were born to be part of the change. Feel it. This is the resistance. Beware of division.” – The Z’s (Lee Harris) [03:39]
• “Your fear of death is one of the ways they catch you. The question is, are you going to live?” – The Z’s [03:39]
• “The consciousness of humanity has developed to such a degree that no longer are you needing the old form of the system, you’ve outgrown it.” – The Z’s [09:10]
• “Communicate your truth lovingly and peacefully. Not to convince others, not to bludgeon others over the head.” – The Z’s [14:12]
• “What we can tell you is you are going to see continual breakthroughs in the coming years...The rise of humanity...will be glorious in many ways.” – The Z’s [33:04]
• “More people are awake since 2020 than ever before...awake to what should I trust? And what should I ask more questions about before I say yes to it?” – The Z’s [25:30]

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Timestamps & Key Segments

• [03:39] – The Z’s opening message on fear, division, and collective power
• [04:05] – Human rights erosion, importance of grassroots
• [10:53] – Gradual systemic breakdown and emergence of new structures
• [13:44] – Guidance for personal growth: beware division, embrace communication
• [21:50] – Rise of humanity and ‘light warriors’ in next five years
• [24:52] – Extraterrestrial contact: present and future
• [29:52] – Earth as an experiment and soul group dynamics
• [33:04] – Message of hope and inevitability of human unity
• [37:11] – Physical/emotional effects during channeling and energy work
• [43:58] – Vulnerability of being a public channeler
• [54:15] – Intuition, discernment, and the necessity of self-awareness

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Memorable Moments

• Lee’s description of communicating with “the Z’s” and the energetic intensity in the room [40:14–41:31]
• Honest discussion about the struggle between skepticism, ego, and public misunderstanding of channeling [51:09]
• Light, humorous banter about actor-channeler comparisons [50:39]
• Lee’s mother appreciating his appearance on the podcast as the way she finally “understands” what he does [59:49]

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Takeaways for Listeners

• The systems around us are shifting, driven by both visible and invisible forces—personal empowerment and collective connection are critical.
• Division is an intentional strategy wielded by those seeking to maintain control; the antidote is conscious, compassionate communication and refusal to “other” or separate.
• Spiritual evolution and personal growth are two sides of the same coin—neither can be bypassed.
• Humanity is on the cusp of rapid and radical expansion. The key is to move through fear, hold fast to hope, and actively participate in personal and communal transformation.
• Experiences with extraterrestrial consciousness are likely to become more common and normalized—but discernment is necessary as new narratives emerge.
• Self-regulation, energetic hygiene, and embracing discomfort are integral as we move through these unprecedented times.

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For more, visit Lee Harris Energy or catch his live events and retreats.
Stay curious, stay grounded, and—above all—refuse to be ruled by fear.

Transcript

[Jonathan Cohen]

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[Mayim Bialik]

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[Lee Harris]

This is a revolutionary time on Earth. You have seen many outlandish things that pre 2020you would not have believed possible. The gloves are off. Human beings are programmed to follow. You believe we are trapped. The power system on Earth has always been corrupt, but now you can see it. You are souls who were born to be part of the change. Feel it. This is the resistance. Beware of division. Getting you to fight each other is the fastest way to get you out of your collective power. Fear is how you get control. Be mindful of being asked to separate from, judge or divide from others. Things will look dark for a while. There is a growing force of individuals who are already building the new world. Light, love and higher consciousness is playing out all of the time. The truth is, all of you are going to die at some point. That's inevitable. Your fear of death is one of the ways they catch you. The question is, are you going to live?

[Mayim Bialik]

Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

[Mayim Bialik]

And welcome to part two of our conversation with Lee Harris, a globally recognized spiritual teacher, intuitive and best selling author. We've had him on the breakdown before, but this time he is channeling the Z's, the spiritual guides who have literally guided his whole life for the past several decades. We get to ask him all the hard questions that we've been waiting to ask. In part one of our conversation, we focused on understanding what channeling is and what the Z's can provide us in terms of demonic forces, the Earth's resources, and the possibility of World War Three that so many of us want to know more about. In part two of our conversation, we're going to tackle the consciousness of humanity, why the system that seems to be crumbling overnight has to go slower than we might expect, and how the next five years will show us the rise of humanity, including the emergence of us as Light Warriors.

[Jonathan Cohen]

We also talk about how to develop your intuition, understanding what is guidance versus fear, and how to navigate your life from a more intuitive place.

[Mayim Bialik]

We hope you enjoy part two of our conversation with Lee Harris. Break it down.

[Jonathan Cohen]

If the Epstein files are a smokescreen to distract us, what should we be focusing on?

[Lee Harris]

Well, we would say that is fairly clear meaning and we understand, we do not mean to be obtuse or play a game with you. You are in a period of history where you are beginning to see human rights eroded, taken away. That is the goal, that is the attempt and the intent. But, and this is very important, pay attention to the grassroots movements in the areas that have been most struck. The amount of people saying no and the way they are figuring out how to say no. We have said for many years this is a revolutionary time on Earth. But it won't always look like old style revolutions because you are in a very different time in history and energy is different and technology is different. But you are at a time on Earth where, as we will call it, internal control starts to crumble more and more, which it will over the coming years. You as people are going to have to fill in the gaps where your system leaves a gap. So for example, as certain systems become more destabilized, you, the people are going to have to figure out how to make it work for and by and with yourselves. So we are not implying that whole parts of your infrastructure will disappear overnight for that would not serve anyone. You have to remember that the goal is to keep you here, but not necessarily with the freedom that you are used to now. That's the goal that is playing out right now. That is not the spiritual truth of Earth. That is the agenda of a dominating force who you are now in a reckoning with because they are more exposed than they have ever been. So this is where you have to zoom out a little. You as human beings who are programmed to follow exactly what is playing out on Earth right now. You believe, oh, we are trapped because our powers that be might not have our best interests at heart and we don't know how to get out of it. And we say no. You are souls who were born unto the earth at this time to be part of the change of power system on Earth that has always been corrupt. But now you can see it now, you can feel it. Now you have tools wherewithal and know how to tackle it. This is why your own personal empowerment is so important at these times. That is why we said to you, Jonathan, you feeling sadness, even though that's not comfortable for you, it's not desired, it's good. Feel the sadness, feel the grief, feel the anger, feel the rage, feel the devastation. Those feelings won't last because your will to live and your will to build a new world will kick in. That is what you are all here doing. So yes, we are having a very sobering conversation perhaps about areas of the planet that are quite difficult to navigate right now. But what you also have to remember is the amount of angelic and energetic support that is now gathering around this planet. We have said this for many years, you are getting help and we will call it interference for some of those lower agendas all of the time. You just will never hear about that on your mainstream news. That is why this kind of programming conversation is very important. This is the resistance and we don't like using that term because it pulls you back into a us them paradigm. The truth is all of you are going to die at some point. That's inevitable. You will either die of old age or you will die earlier. So death is going to happen. You are often caught by your fear of death. Your fear of death is one of the ways they catch you. Well, you're all going to die. The question is, are you going to live and how do you want to live? And do you want to live in a world that is more free for all? And this is very important. We now have to say this. The consciousness of humanity has developed to such a degree that no longer are you needing the old form of the system, you've outgrown it. So you think they're trying to enslave you because they are trying to quickly trap you all before you will get too powerful. No, it's already happened. It's already happened. That is why they are trying to clamp down now. You have already gone beyond your human consciousness in recent decades and centuries. So there are more of you on the planet now who are more, we will call it, tapped in. You may not yet have figured out how to bring it to the system of the world, but what we can tell you is this because we understand the need for a hero or a savior. And we are not telling you a bedtime story when we say this. And we also don't want you to rely on the idea that someone's going to come in and scoop you up at the last minute and save you. But you are in the coming years going to see of more awareness of your galactic origins, that Earth is a part of galactic, not just humanity, but galactic consciousness and the galactic tribe. And there are those who have already been on your planet for a very long time who are going to come to the surface a little more. Part of the problem is it is the old story that you believe in that keeps you in the story. More and more of you aren't believing the story anymore. And once you don't believe the story, your energy field can't be a vibrational match for it, which means you can't recreate the story. That's why so many right now are rushing to try and gain control.

[Jonathan Cohen]

It's amazing and I want to put some detail, a little flesh on the bone of what you were talking about as I understand it, to see if I'm tracking right before moving into the empowerment because it feels like that's where this conversation is going. But when you talk about clamping down control and that the systems are breaking down, it feels like we have to rebuild so that we can avoid control. For example, avoid everyone being monitored all the time. The new technological tools being used to control the move movement of people, the not spying necessarily, but I tracking every piece of information. The fact that our power is centralized and media is centralized, all the systems are becoming so centralized that they then have a monopoly and they can't be challenged in any way. So it feels like there needs to be new startups. The use of this technology in order to create and ensure safety, security Privacy, the ability to move, think, share ideas so that they can't be censored.

[Lee Harris]

Yes. 10 to 15 years ago, we gave a message multiple times because it needed to be given that those of you who are saying we wish the system would fall down overnight and we could rebuild something else, we said, oh no, you do not want that at all. That is not the way to go here. That would be devastation and chaos. And we said it will all play out over a much slower timeline so that you can make adjustments as you go. Yes, innovation is very important. It is why we have given Lee the pieces of information that he delivers every month in his energy updates on YouTube that there is a growing force of individuals that you may not even know about who are already building the new world. They are already building what is going to be needed for humanity in the coming years. And it is not one way because it is going to vary from country to country and it is going to vary from region to region. The centralization is what you want to avoid. But we are not too fond of predictions because timelines can change. But we will tell you that globalization in the way it is desired is not going to synthesize or synchronize because those egos of the individuals involved who think they can all team up to pull this off together, they are going to implode on each other. They are going to destroy each other. You are in the middle of watching that play out now. So the power hungry are having less places to hide and the vibration of power hunger. It would be far better we will say this even though we do not mean this is what's going to happen. It would be far better if you all just died if that was going to play out, because none of you will want to be here on that Earth. But that is why that is not what's going to play out. But at the moment, what you are seeing is, we will call it galactic greed. It is not as earthbound as you think. And we do not say that to scare any of you or to challenge the notion that you are not living among humans, for you are. But there is galactic infiltration that has been here for a very long time.

[Mayim Bialik]

We're very appreciative of all of the time and literally energy that you've been giving us. Before we return to our conversation with Lee, I wonder if you can give us some sort of support for what personal growth and transformation needs to look like in this time. What are the practical things that we can take from this information and while knowing we don't know all of the information that's going to be coming. What do we need to be doing to prepare?

[Lee Harris]

Beware of division. Division means when you are asked to point the finger at a group and see them as less than or see them as a group that needs annihilation or stopping. This has been manufactured by the way. The pumping of different agendas on Earth to get you to be angry at what this group want or this group need. It has been done deliberately by certain groups who know that getting you to fight each other is the fastest way to get you compliant and out of your collective power. So you will see division. It will happen. But choose not to engage with it. Choose to find those where you are aligned. Now, we are not saying do not have constructive conversations for for the other side of what we want to share with you is it is important to communicate your truth. Not to hit other people over the head with it or that you need to be understood. But it is important that you can calmly communicate your truth as you feel it and as you see it and know it. Why? The person you say it to might not believe you. They might find what you're saying strange. But eight people later, it will lock in for them. Mayim spoke about conspiracy theories which many would have dismissed. And now many of you are realizing, ah, there was a lot of truth in that. Perhaps it was delivered in a way that was a little inflammatory at the time, or it wasn't quite the right style of communication. I heard that in or I just wasn't ready. Or more importantly, I didn't have enough evidence to support this outlandish claim as true. We think you can all admit that now. Over the last six years you have seen many outlandish things that pre 2020you would not have believed possible. So you know that the gloves are off. So communicate your truth lovingly and peacefully. Not to convince others, not to bludgeon others over the head. But if you feel someone is missing something or they may need to hear what you have to say, lovingly and peacefully communicate your truth. And if they reject or fight your truth, let that be good information to you. This is not the time for us to be perhaps aligned on this or even close to each other. And that's okay.

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[Lee Harris]

We understand that some of the trauma for some of you in recent years has been the heartbreak of the loss of friendships because of division. While you are all in heartbreak, you are not a unified group. So be mindful of division. Be mindful of where you are told to target or hate another human being. That will be popular and it's a popular device. The other side is communicate. Communicate your truth when and if you need to, in a loving, calm, stable way. Focus on what is important to you here as a soul. You all came here with a soul mission and you will feel driven and compelled to do that. It might be that you are a parent and you feel driven and compelled to be a parent right now. It might be that. That for example, in your case, Mayim and Jonathan, you have conversations like this that are designed to open up people's world beyond the world they thought was possible. You need to see a world of possibility. Even this conversation, which perhaps some were looking forward to and maybe didn't get the sparkly rainbows they were hoping for. Instead they got a slightly sobering reality dose of what is playing out because it needed to be addressed. And this is the time where you are capable of it. Understand that light, love and higher consciousness is playing out all of the time. All of the time. There are those on the planet every single day who are bringing love, compassion, harmony and higher consciousness through their actions, through their ways of behaving. Find those people and amplify with them. The other thing we will say to you is this and we have to be careful with this next piece for we do not want to put you in inertia. Try to stay balanced with the different. We will call it energetic volcanoes you see going off around the world. There are energetic volcanoes going off around the world and for that we mean a political event that is distressing or something that comes out, such as the files you were speaking about or equally war breaks out in a certain country. We are not saying be passive or look away or bypass any feelings you have around it. But try and be patient and understand that this is a time where those things are playing out, but something else is emerging too, which is the rise of empowered human consciousness. The best thing we can say to you is you have never seen what you are about to see in the next five years. And we're not speaking about the devastation that you are seeing right now in the world. We're talking about the rise of humanity. You have never seen the rise of humanity in your lifetime on Earth the way you are about to see it in the next five years. And it will be glorious in many ways. You won't always want to see humanity having to rise against, but what you will see will be quite surprising to you. There are many on the planet now who are coming into what we can only call more metaphysical powers. This doesn't mean they are magicians who can send lightning out of their hands necessarily, but energetically they can and they do. They do it with their words, with their actions, with their heart. They are not doing this alone. You are all conduits for higher vibrational energy. So as you start to tap into more of that in yourself and you start to shed more of your own human trauma patterns, these stories that they are trying to recycle on Earth to hook you back in through fear, guilt, shame and lower vibrations have less magnetic power to you. So you stop being the old world that they can enslave and you start being the new world that they have no power over. So we do not mean to sound too vague there or obtuse. It is hard to put into words some of what we know and feel is rising in humanity now. But you are going to see the rise of some incredibly brave, we will call them light warriors, more of them than you have ever seen doing the extraordinary. But you are also going to have more, we will call it galactic contact. You are going to have more exposure to and interaction with things that would have, let's say, 40 years ago, seemed like science fiction to all of those who weren't experiencing those things. But now, your friends who told you that they had contact experiences in the 80s do not look quite so foolish to you. And in fact, they were some of the early experiences that are helping to normalize what is coming now. So there are many of you here, you too included, who are strong. Doesn't mean you won't have vulnerable days. Doesn't mean you won't have days where you are feeling a little flat or not as strong as you normally are. But you are here for the leadership of this time. And there are many, many, many millions of you who are equipped for this time, who are built for this time, and that is why you are here. You are not here to go down a path of suffering, but you are at a junction point in humanity where some would like to try and take you in that direction. The reason they are being continually exposed is because it cannot hold.

[Mayim Bialik]

I feel very, very lucky to get to have this conversation and also to have Lee in our life to guide us this way. One that people talk about, which is going to happen possibly in these next five years, is that our interface with extraterrestrial beings is going to become more part of this reality. Is this something that you have information about?

[Lee Harris]

Yes, it is true. And you are already interfacing with extraterrestrial beings in many ways. Much of your technology was taken from there. And in fact, the technology you are given is far behind what is possible on Earth. So, yes, there is going to be more disclosure. There are going to be those who, shall we say, cover their tracks by releasing certain files that they have been sitting on for decades and decades and decades. And again, you have to ask, why were we not shown this? Why are we not in a. We would call it, equal relationship with our leadership? You are beginning to see the corruption of the leadership. And the corruption of the leadership is also being changed. There are going to be those others who will rise and give you more positive leadership. But back to your extraterrestrial question. This is not new to any of you. This is why so many of you have been so fascinated by whether it is television programs or media that has brought you to this. But what you have to watch out for is who is controlling the information. There will be attempts to tell you a story, much as you were told some stories in 2020 about what the nature of extraterrestrial contact is with Earth. And you will have to discern, is this true or is this untrue? That is going to be part of the game in the coming years. But what we can tell you is more people are awake since 2020 than ever before. And we don't mean awake in a spiritual meditation sense. We mean awake to what should I trust? And what should I ask more questions about before I say yes to it? So, yes, there will be extraterrestrial disclosure increasingly. But what we will also say is the realm of the soul that many have believed is purely human is actually galactic. So it is not that you are meeting aliens, as it were. It is more that you are remembering who you are and how you are connected to a vast universe. You are not a separate species in the way that you have been told you are. So that is possibly the best way we could frame it to you. But there is something else we want to add to you here, and it goes back to what we were speaking about before you asked that question, Mayim, because it's important. We understand that this conversation has been very focused on the shadow of your current world, but we want to reassure those of you who are feeling exhausted or deflated by everything going on on the planet. Right? It does not help you to keep looking at that information, particularly from mainstream media, when you are deflated. What will help you in those moments is knowing you need to step back, knowing that your nervous system is not benefiting from repetitive or obsessive looking at this information. And that is sovereignty. And that is what many of you were not taught. You were not taught how to regulate your nervous systems. You were just given all kinds of devices and entertainment that was designed to soothe your nervous system, aggravate your nervous system, inflame your nervous system. And you weren't given the why. So this is a time where more of you are having to understand the sovereignty of your own inner being. And that is why so many have turned inward in recent years and decades. That is why the path of the soul and the journey of going within is an important pastime at times like these. It is not that you just have to always be on the front line, fighting as an activist. In fact, we would ask any of you who see yourselves as either spiritual or Earth activists, please take care of yourselves. We observe how many of you run yourselves ragged. And it's very important to know how to fill yourself back up, because this is a long game, not a short game.

[Jonathan Cohen]

It's very important. The speed and the duration. Two final questions, one very personal, one very galactic. I have this sense that in some ways, experiment may not be the right word, but that Earth is an experiment. And whether or not humanity can find a way to avoid division, to come together and find and build the new structures and systems that are inclusive, loving and connected, has a ripple effect beyond Earth, that what is learned here will travel outwards and impact other civilizations, other planets, or I don't even know what to call them, is that accurate? Is there a sense that what happens here has a larger implication? And the second part of the question, unrelated is, have Mayim and I interacted in previous lifetimes, or is this the only incarnation?

[Lee Harris]

The answer to the first question is yes. And the answer to the second question is of course, but you know that we have already given you that information through li last time we were with you in your presence. Of course, you two have interacted many times, but you have interacted in many different ways. You are part of each other's soul group. You have had lifetimes where you have been allies, where you have been partners or married, you may call it. You have also had lifetimes where you have been enemies. It's what makes your relationship rounded, but it also is what you create a coherent field between you. For conversations like this. You are not both the same and nor are you trying to be. You are coming towards the same realizations from very different points. Mayim has more star energy, which simply means she is one who can emit. She is able to generate wattage. You, even though Mayim, of course has the scholarly backbone, which is what she is leaning into here. You, Jonathan, have the vibration of the energetic healer. So you are more subtle in your outward expression, but you are very tall in your soul. Stars have to, shall we say, consolidate all of their energy into their human body in order to emit and pulse out. Tall beings such as yourself, Jonathan, are like tall trees. They stabilize for others. And it is its own skill, its own power. So between the two of you, you have both stability and outreach. That is why you are a good pair. And cohesion and some of your own personal learning and healing together has been a big part of that for Mayim. We hope you do not mind us saying this, and we know you will snip it out if you don't like it. For Mayim, trust, trust has been a big life theme. She has experienced many trust wounds and betrayals in her life, and she wants to trust. And so you have been a wonderful advocate for steadiness and consistency even when waves have occurred between the two of you. And for you, Jonathan, being able to bring yourself onto the earth as a grounded force and make things happen. Mayim has been a gift for you in that for that is effortless for her. In many ways. She is one who can make things happen and generate through her star energy the ability to bring things to the planet. So we are speaking personally about you two, but anyone listening or watching can apply this to their own relationships. Not just romantic partnerships, but friendships or business partnerships. You tend to be attracted to those who can help you both heal, learn and grow, but also help you with your missions. Whether it is the mission of healing a family lineage or whether it is the mission of bringing work to the outside world.

[Mayim Bialik]

I Think we should invite Lee back.

[Lee Harris]

Good. A pleasure to be with you both. We will say this to all who have listened and are still here and have not stopped the conversation. Please do not give up on your sense of hope or light for the future. We know this is not an easy time on Earth. We know that. But you knew that too. You always knew this was going to be par for the course. What we can tell you is you are going to see continual breakthroughs in the coming years. Things will look dark for a while and then all of a sudden things will shift. So try not to think the worst case scenario every time a new alarm bell raises for you. Remember, fear is how you get controlled. So be mindful of your own fear. Be mindful of being asked to separate from, judge or divide from others on the planet. Even if there is a being on the planet whose life you do not understand unless you can see that they are operating from a dark place, do not let yourself be talked into separating from them, even if you are not going to be their best friend. Separating you is how you get divided. But here is the good news as is shown to all of you who have gone through recent terrible experiences on Earth. Humans are programmed to come together when the chips are down. So when humans need to rely on each other, it is instinctive and intrinsic that they do. You have been separated from each other in so many ways, but that is about to change. More and more of you are coming together. So the rise of consciousness first got all of you above your heads and has slowly been coming down through your body, through your third eye, through your throat, through your heart, into your body. So you are now becoming what we would call embodied consciousness at a new level. You're all at different places. Some of you will be very in the psychic realms, some of you will be very grounded in love. In action. There is not better. So let go of hierarchy. And if you notice you are in hierarchy in yourself or towards others, we implore you to do that ego work that probably comes from your lineage. To let go of the idea of superiority and inferiority. It will only limit you from love. So in peace, in love and in oneness to all.

[Jonathan Cohen]

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[Mayim Bialik]

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[Lee Harris]

Hi.

[Jonathan Cohen]

How do you feel?

[Lee Harris]

Hot.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Your whole head and your face. If people are only listening to it, like, there's this unbelievable presence of, like in your skin. You can see it.

[Mayim Bialik]

Valerie has been feeling nauseous the whole time she's been messaging. Is that something that happens sometimes when information is channeled? She said she's had a persistent feeling of, like, feeling out of it, dizzy.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Can I offer my thesis to this? When we were talking about the evolution and the awakening of human consciousness on Earth, it feels like what's happening externally is being mirrored. There are all these mirrored systems. So each one of us is experiencing an awakening, seeing our dark side, seeing our movement towards connection, our hate, our love. And as we hear a message that opens up truth, that makes us have to face ourselves, that's a nauseating process. It feels uncomfortable because we're used to creating some sort of semblance of balance so that we can function in the world. And anytime we have to change, right, something happens for us. Either it's traumatic or we get sick. When we get sick, sometimes we get knocked off our center. It's like, oh, we have to actually reset. And we need a sickness to take us out of our regular routine so we can readjust. And sometimes that's what people call upgrades. And, you know, the hippie, the hippie, like, oh, I got a download. I totally see things differently after you're knocked off your regular life for a while. So to me, some of that nauseousness can literally be about a clearing, a cleanse that's happening.

[Lee Harris]

Yes. So to answer your question and what Valerie said, people do go through energy movements, but a lot of the times when I'm channeling, we're not Necessarily talking about these kinds of topics. So for example, if I'm at one of my workshops or events, it's not usually a Q and A, it's that there might be a 30 minute channel that's designed on helping you open your energy field. Normally, you know, these kinds of. We're not on these topics. Also what I've noticed is because someone said to me, oh wow, the Z's are really opening up now. And I'm like, no, years ago they were saying some of this stuff. But what I notice is, is when they say things I'm like, oh wow, we must be ready to hear it now because it's coming through and it's coming out. So yes, people do go through certain, certain things. But I would say that what we were talking about today, we were looking at some of the darkest and the shadowiest parts of our earth. So I think when we do look at that, you do kind of feel sick. You know, I felt sick watching everything going on in Minnesota and Minneapolis through January. I just felt sick for like two weeks. I felt like this collective of nervous system horror in my own system. You know, I think we all go through different moments with that. There are certain world events that will draw us into purging the horror. But I will let me say this. Too often, the Z's leave people euphoric. So I think, you know, I think it depends where they're going. Like if they're transmitting something that's designed to help you tap into your, your wider energy field. No, it's, it's not necessarily that. But I think we were, we, we looked at the shadow, which I think is appropriate right now.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You know, I wonder if people watching especially could feel what was happening in the room. Because it's only after you stopped channeling that I had an awareness of just how intense the energy in the room was. Like we've never had anything in this space that had had that. It was, it was a, it's like a, this pulsing vibration. And as we were in it, I was like just going with it and I didn't realize but like we were opening up a curtain to something that was like very deep. And I don't even know how to describe it.

[Lee Harris]

How is it for you?

[Mayim Bialik]

I don't know. I'm very cognate. Like I'm very, like, I'm very cerebral. Yeah, I'm very cerebral. I mean I'm interested and I'm listening. But just like the whole scenario that we're in is so fascinating to me. So I Think that it's very hard for me. For me to kind of like, drop in. But I don't know. I think, you know, I think that there's. What really resonates is this kind of wisdom. And I think you're wise, but this feels like wisdom from another place. You know, like, there's something very kind of different, I guess, about that that I definitely could pick up on.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You usually don't like to talk about the evolution of the planet. Meaning, like you.

[Lee Harris]

You. She's.

[Jonathan Cohen]

The difference between us is, is that you like to often be very specific. And I tend to look at, like, systems, so you're.

[Lee Harris]

Bigger picture and you'll go more detail. Right.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And we play off really well like that with one another. We were both. When you were speaking about light warriors, we both touched on that at the same time because that was a moment where we're saying there is a personal empowerment happening. And when. I mean, when I say there's our. There are mirrored systems is that each person is caught in their own version of a narrative. Right. Like, we know that. Just let's. This is not hippie. This is psychology. We're programmed from a very young age.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah. But I think that's also kind of what we were talking about with all of this darkness, is that everyone also has their own particular angle. And the thing that, you know, I was actually talking with my son about this, you know, when we were kids. I'm pointing at both of you who come from parliamentary systems. When I was a kid, you know, growing up in this country, like, you knew that sometimes it was your guy. Guy in office, and sometimes it was the other guy. Right. That was kind of the extent of it. And if it was the other guy, your parents would complain about it at dinner. And if it was your guy, they'd say, everything's going fine. But the world is so much more complicated. Right. In terms of who to believe, who to trust. Like, you know, I'm. I'm a liberal, progressive person. And also I have these beliefs. Like, it feels so confusing. It feels really confusing. And I think a lot of this is there's intergenerational trauma. And especially the regions of the world that kind of are lighting up, these are places that for thousands of years have had battles and hatred and war. So it's like, when you think about all of that compounded, it's very, very

[Lee Harris]

complicated and very intense.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Lee Harris]

And I'm with you. I don't like talking about this kind of stuff.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Lee Harris]

You know, I end up doing it because it's part of the job. But, but yeah, for me personally, I don't, I don't, I, I can't focus on those areas for too long.

[Mayim Bialik]

Right.

[Lee Harris]

Without feeling depleted. So I can go in and then I have to come out. And I, and I, you know, I, I, I, I, I work more locally, if you like, with people and with their energy fields and, but, you know, this stuff, this stuff, I guess, is meant to be happening, otherwise it wouldn't be happening. So I also have to trust that.

[Mayim Bialik]

Sure.

[Lee Harris]

And I also feel just as a human being, it's a really weird thing because there will be people who will watch this show and we'll go, well, Lee Harris said this, and I'm like, oh, I didn't actually. I was channeling. I'm not saying I disagree with them necessarily, but I also, Sometimes people want to shoot the messenger, and I'm like, I can't prove any of what was just said. But I can tell you that after years and years of tracking them and years of them giving me examples in my personal life or examples in the world that I have then watched come true, like, I'm like, oh, okay. You know, so, so yeah, I think it's complicated for all of us. I don't, I don't think there is an answer. And I think that's the hardest part. Like, we're all wanting the answer, and right now it's more complicated than it's ever been, and it's heartbreaking as well.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I think we should spend a little bit more time on the personal evolution and people who are coming into a sense of more hopeful hope, more optimism, more connection. And what I was touching on, on the personal narratives is that often as we begin to look at our narratives, begin to see, are they serving me? Are they true? We begin to have more hope, more optimism. We start to see broader possibilities for ourselves. Maybe you can speak a little bit to some of the transformation that you see and some of the other messages the Z's have shared, because that part of the channeling was really powerful.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah, I mean, everyone defines the word ego differently. But I'll start with myself. Like, I look back at who I was at 23 and how limited my mind, my feelings, my heart are compared to now. Things are more ephemeral to me now. It doesn't mean I don't have, you know, I still have my human personalities. There are still areas I have opinions or whatever. But if I catch opinions now, I'm always reminded, oh, that's an opinion, Lee. You know, so there's a. I hold a slightly looser framework than I used to. And I think people who do self development work, whether it's through a spiritual lens, like channeling. Well, I always advise, if you're using channeling, make sure you're also doing personal development. That's me, that's my, my advocacy is for personal development and spirituality in tandem. There might be others who go, oh, no, I just, just deal with the spirit. And I'm like, okay, that's not been my path. So I can't, I can't confirm or deny. But I do see a lot of people trying to use spirituality as a replacement for personal development. And I think the two have to go hand in hand because otherwise you can get lost in inspiration, you can bypass, you can get into magical thinking. So for me, some of the things that they've helped me with and that I see them help others with is you get clearer about who you are and why you're here and you get to be able to live with a slightly more zoomed out perspective. The biggest thing they've taught me is awareness. They've widened my awareness. They've taken me from, wow, what Jonathan said is really annoying to.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I say annoying things sometimes.

[Lee Harris]

I'm using you as an example. But you've never annoyed me. Actually, not yet. There's still time.

[Podcast Announcer]

Wait for it.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah.

[Lee Harris]

But yeah, they've taken me from that to feeling annoyance and then going, huh, what just happened here? And with that wider lens on everything, it's also helped me look at. For example, mainstream media was mentioned a lot. I now can sniff emotional manipulation in an article. There's someone I respect who recently wrote an article about a recent fallen spiritual teacher. And this person wrote a really good article, but they had a one massive area of bias that they kept coming back to. And there's nothing wrong with that, but I think you have to be able to find what's clean and what's pure and what is not telling me what to think or feel, but is inviting me to consider and what is telling me what to think or feel. And mainstream media is successful because it will give us some nuggets of truth and then it will go, and now feel this about these people because of the way we write this sentence. So I think there's a kind of spell that is breaking on earth for more of us around that stuff and that spell has to be broken so that we come back to who we are. Maybe what I just said is too abstract, but I hope I described it.

[Mayim Bialik]

No, that Makes total sense.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I'm curious if you personally have more information about a question they kind of just said yes to, without extrapolating on it, that the idea of Earth having implications beyond Earth itself, like an experiment playing out here.

[Lee Harris]

Yes. And the word experiment is a tricky one because when people hear that word, they think that means that it's some cold clinical experiment, and it doesn't. So I understand the trickiness of that word. But they have said that. They have said that we are here as part of an experiment in consciousness. They said Atlantis was an experiment in consciousness, but it fell because of hubris, ego and an over obsession with technology, which is why it's coming back. There's an energy of both Atlantis and Lemuria returning now. So they've spoken about that at various times. But, yeah, you would probably. I can't recall all the details because I. I don't really listen to the channeling.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lee Harris]

So I hear it as it happens. And there are certain things that pique my interest that I then reflect on for my own growth. But a lot of the time, like today, I'm in service to what you two wanted to know, so I. My job is to. Is to let. Steer them where you want to go. Or if I'm an intuitive and I'm working with you, my job is to be an intuitive conduit for you.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah. And I think that's also something that, you know, we need to keep in mind, like this. This is a public arena that we're doing this.

[Lee Harris]

Well, you're also. You're also. Because I know from hosting my own show, you're a bridge for your audience.

[Mayim Bialik]

Totally.

[Lee Harris]

So you two. Yes. You're asking questions that feel true for you, but actually you're doing your job right. When you've got one ear on the audience.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yes, totally.

[Lee Harris]

What I will say is they were incredibly, incredibly clear with you guys about some stuff.

[Mayim Bialik]

They're a little bossy.

[Lee Harris]

They're more bossy. They're more authoritative than I am.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yes.

[Lee Harris]

Which I quite enjoy, actually, because I'm not normally quite so. Boom. But they are. So. Yeah, it's kind of interesting.

[Mayim Bialik]

It's very interesting also to watch you embody something that feels different from you. You know, like you just said, it's a different tone. Right. It's a different.

[Lee Harris]

Yes, it's different. And this is an interesting. Because I've got you here, who is, you know, a well known actor on the planet. One of the things. One of the things that I've. I've.

[Mayim Bialik]

I'm Galactically known you were sent from another planet. Wouldn't be surprised.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah, What I was gonna say is, I've sometimes used. One of the criticisms that gets leveled at you as a channeler is they go, oh, well, this guy is an actor. And why I was. Why I always find that funny, because I did act as a child. I could do a way better job. Meaning I would make it far more interesting. And you know what? So. So I.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Jokes, like what?

[Lee Harris]

Oh, yeah, I don't know. I just.

[Mayim Bialik]

Well, you could do more doom and gloom. You could.

[Lee Harris]

You know, my point is. My point is, I understand why people can't get their head around what might look like someone faking something. But honestly, if I was smart, I wouldn't even tell you about the Z's existence. And I would sit here and very calmly say everything they said, and you'd be like, wow, who is this wise galactic being? So that criticism often gets leveled. But I. You know, you could make it way more interesting. If you needed to pretend to be a thing. You could pretend in a more interesting way. Like, I don't think it's very interesting to have someone sit there closing their eyes and moving the header. You know what I mean? It's kind of a bit embarrassing.

[Jonathan Cohen]

More hand gestures.

[Lee Harris]

You can move around or just, you know, a more interesting accent or something. I don't know. But my point is, I so have compassion for the people who say that, because when I was taken to a channeler before it happened to me, like a year before it happened to me, I was taken to this channeler. I may have even said this to you on the last show. I don't remember. I was skeptical of him.

[Mayim Bialik]

What is.

[Lee Harris]

He was a really nice man, and he had good. And then he had all this interesting, intuitive information.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You did say. And you said something to the effect of like, why did he have to put on.

[Lee Harris]

I did, yeah. Because I was driving home with my friend who'd taken me, and I said, well, he's clearly intuitive. He's clearly a nice man. I liked him and his wife. Why did he have to put that whole thing on for me? And now I'm like, oh, God, I'm now that guy for any other skeptic, you know what I mean? But that's also been healthy for me to. I've had to lean into. Yeah. Everyone is projecting on everyone all the time. And. And coming from the family I come from where we were trained to not do anything that might make the neighbors. Like, what might the neighbors think I'm like, oh, Jesus, what am I doing? You know what I mean? But it's. That's actually been growth for me because it's got me out of the fear or the. You know, I mean, don't get me wrong, I wasn't thrilled I was coming here today, but I said yes. But I knew that today was probably going to be more intense. So it's not like I'm like, oh, great, I can't wait to go and channel on a show. No, that's not my reality.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Tell us a little bit about what you go through when you have that hesitation. Come on.

[Lee Harris]

Because my name and face is being put to all of this.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah.

[Lee Harris]

And so, you know, there can be attack. There could. You know, am I safe? You know, you go through all of those things, and I've gone through all of those things all along. But, yeah, it's a weird thing because it's a hard thing to stand for because you can't trust all of humanity to treat you well. You just can't. And I mean, you know that. And I've experienced that. People will treat you, especially if you're. Whether, you know, you're a public figure or you're known for something, people don't treat you well. So the sensitive side of me has to walk around the world and kind of brace for that. You know, most people are lovely.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Do you get recognized a lot?

[Lee Harris]

I do. When I go, I have a very local life, and I like it that way. But when I go to bigger places, especially if I'm not wearing a hat. Yes, yes. But I wear a hat a lot of the time. So, yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

One of the questions we get the most is about how to access intuition. People either have information, dreams, emotions that they aren't sure how to process, or they're trying to increase their ability to navigate the world from an emotional standpoint. Can you talk a little bit about just some of the teachings in your experience on what you would say to someone if they're like, are there more senses? I have my own opinion. Can I develop my intuition? How do I know if I'm being guided by fear or if I'm being guided by something that is trying to move me in a direction of forward?

[Lee Harris]

So my first response would be, do you understand yourself yet? Do you know what scares you? Do you know what lights you up? Because a lot of people don't. And so they'll go towards intuition or towards spirituality to try and escape their human life, their human ego. And then they're just as confused about, is this Fear or is this intuition? Because they haven't done, whether it's therapy, counseling workshops, self study videos, they haven't. Which is why I always say, you've got to, you've got to. We all have a bag of stuff, you know, that we, until we investigate that bag of stuff, we'll be living like we're that bag of stuff. When we've investigated it a bit, we can go, oh, oh, I'm getting triggered now.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And if you don't have that, you're gonna be more prone to all the triggers that are out there in the world and you're gonna just get sucked

[Mayim Bialik]

in and think that you're too porous.

[Lee Harris]

And this is why some people will say, and less so now, but you know, years ago, understandably, people go, oh, spiritual people are crazy. And it's like, well, maybe you met John, who isn't very balanced as a human being and has gone to spirituality and is now an imbalanced spiritual seeker. And so you have equated John, your most hippie spiritual friend, as, oh, that's what spiritual looks like. No thanks. It's not John's fault. John just hasn't yet done the work or had the reflection or had the learning. He may have escaped into spirituality and it will work for him until it doesn't.

[Mayim Bialik]

He's not our best representative.

[Lee Harris]

No. And so intuition to me is a sense that we all have way more than we think we do. Like, you get a gut feeling about someone or you meet someone and you stand back at first and it could be that you're afraid of them because they're going to challenge your worldview, or they're going to be something new to open in you. Or it could be you're afraid of them because you should be, because this person is not going to be good for you. This is why I always say intuition is a learning, it's not a happening. So intuition is not a happening that one day you're just really intuitive and you can rely on it accurately. You have to study. You have to study your own intuition over a period of time. Make observations about when following your intuition helped you, when it hindered you. Be honest with yourself about your own programming and how clear you are about that. Which is why I'm an advocate for personal development. And it's why I won't be a channeler only. I was adamant when I started this work because many people wanted me to just channel and not do the energy teaching I do. But no, we need, at least for me, my role is to bridge those two worlds. So I bring channeling into my work, but I also hold space for personal growth and personal development. There are brilliant channelers out there who just do the channeling, and there are brilliant personal growth people out there who just do that. We're all different. We're all made differently.

[Mayim Bialik]

We spoke to Daryl, Anka, Bashar. Do you all know each other? I'm saying, like, do the Z's know Bashar?

[Lee Harris]

Yes.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, yeah.

[Lee Harris]

But I didn't know that. But that makes sense to me, because if you think about it, it's all much more known up there. But, yeah, I know some of the channelers who are out there. I've known some of them personally. I'm friends with some or have had friendships at periods with some.

[Mayim Bialik]

Do you let your guides talk to each other?

[Lee Harris]

I've never done that.

[Mayim Bialik]

That's the first thing I would do,

[Jonathan Cohen]

roundtable,

[Mayim Bialik]

see what happens.

[Lee Harris]

But hang on, hang on. What would they want to ask each other on the level of human words? It's because they can have way faster conversations without going through this translation system. So I would say.

[Jonathan Cohen]

But it's like a talk show panel. You have different.

[Lee Harris]

You know, a friend of mine called Wendy Kennedy, who's a great channeler of the Pleiadians, she and I used to do events together, and I know she's also collaborated with other people where we would kind of be on a panel. You know, there's the channel panel. They.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Channel panel, yeah.

[Lee Harris]

Which is a great term. Right. Rob Gaultier organizes these wonderful panels of people. They do events. I've been part of past ones. They've got. Daryl has done those. That's where I met Daryl backstage once. Yeah.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And they just offer a little bit of a different perspective, because I would imagine they're each representing either a different timeline or a slightly different part of the intergalactic experience. And so you're getting a little bit of a different. Different perspective.

[Lee Harris]

Yes. It's like not every, you know, Tony Robbins isn't for everybody. Mel Robbins isn't for everybody. But different people are for, you know, we're all, you know, like, we all have different friends. You know, it's. It's the same kind of breadth, if you like, but it's different voices, different flavors, different leanings.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Lee, the. After our last podcast, we got to see you at your house, and we got to meet your mother. And the best part about doing the podcast was your mother came up to us and said, thank you so much for that episode, because I now understand what Lee does than I ever have before.

[Lee Harris]

And I thanked you because first of all, I couldn't believe my mom sat through a two hour interview and she said she couldn't stop watching. So that really shocked me. And secondly, she did. She was very moved. And I think, I think because you guys asked more mainstream questions and even I, when I was with you, was having to think quite quickly because I was. I'm often in more of an echo chamber where certain terminology is known. So it was even for me, I was having to think on my feet to answer some of your questions, to meet you in the middle.

[Mayim Bialik]

I was channeling your mother.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah, no, she was very grateful. So thank you.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Well, I want to shout out your mom. I hope she's listened to this episode.

[Lee Harris]

Amazing. My mom is amazing. And thank God for her. Thank God for her.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Thank you for coming back.

[Lee Harris]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Jonathan Cohen]

She'll know even more about you this time.

[Lee Harris]

I don't know if I wanted to watch this one. This one might be a bit much. I don't know, it's not my job to get in the way.

[Mayim Bialik]

But please tell people, as we've talked about, you have a tour coming up. Tell people also about your amazing retreat in Santa Barbara.

[Lee Harris]

Yes. So we are doing a six day retreat called Soul Magic in Santa Barbara in August. We've done these retreats for about a decade and they're really transformative, not just because of what we bring from the stage, myself and my musical partner, Devor Bozik, but also because of the community that gather and you know, when you go through a six day process. So we have that in Santa Barbara. But Devor and I are also going on Tour. We're doing 16 cities across North America, starting May 30th in LA and running through July 4th in Canada. And then we're going to the UK, Europe and Scandinavia for 10 dates in October because I'm conscious not everyone can do a retreat, but we're coming to as many cities as we can. For anyone who wants to come and have a three hour experience with me with the channeling, with some of our music, with the energy, teaching. And I always, at all of our live events, I intuit for the room. So it's not a lecture the day before or the night of, I will start to get themes of who is in that room, what do they need to hear, what are the themes that we're working on. So it's my way of being able to work live with people because obviously we reach a lot of people online. But you can't beat the in person experience, which is why we'll be on a lot of flights and hotel rooms this year.

[Mayim Bialik]

Amazing. And where can people find out more?

[Lee Harris]

So it's leeharrisenergy.com Lee is my website and my channel on YouTube is Lee Harrisonergy.

[Mayim Bialik]

Fantastic. Thank you so much.

[Lee Harris]

Thank you.

[Jonathan Cohen]

He says that in the next five years, we're going to see a positive change in humanity that. I don't know how to describe it.

[Mayim Bialik]

I think it's very consistent with what Bashar spoke when we had Daryl Anka on. There's some period of time that we're in the middle of. And I know a lot of people might say like, oh, every generation says that. But. But when you think about the changes in technology that we have witnessed in the last five years, in the last, you know, since COVID Right. There's been this explosion of skepticism, an explosion of information, there's been an explosion of technology, and there's been an explosion of questioning. And whether that questioning is, was my president lying to me or was this group wrong to, you know, campaign for this. The. The truth is, it really is. It's about kind of our future. And I really love this emphasis on personal growth, personal work, and not just sort of turning everything over to the spiritual universe. You have to also do the work yourself.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I love what he says, that doing the spiritual work helps you be a barometer of what's true and what's not. Right. Like, we can't know how we're being impacted. We could be sucked into narratives just because we're addicted to a cycle of being in volatility.

[Mayim Bialik]

You can see Lee Harris on his Oneness Experience tour across North America in the spring and summer. Go to leeharrisenergy.com Break Breakdown for tickets and also for the Soul Magic Retreat leeharrisenergy.com and you can find out all the information about the retreat in Santa Barbara. Thank you to the Z's for joining us. And from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we'll see you next time.

[Lee Harris]

It's Maya Bialix Breakdown. She's gonna break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience PhD or two now. She's gonna break down, so break down. She's gonna break it down.