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Mayim Bialik's Breakdown
Boost Your Intuition, Access Your Precognition & The Science Behind Psychic Abilities
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
The world is run on a lot of secrets. If you're precognitive, you could also get information about things you're not supposed to know about. Our intelligence agencies have continued to work with remote viewers. Remote viewers are gifted enough to get that classified information without clearance. We do experiments in the labs to show that statistically significantly, over and over again, you could show precognition as a real effect. It's really hard to say that any particular case wasn't just a coincidence.
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Mayim Bialik
Dr. Julia Mossbridge, she is the human potential research lead for the telepathy tapes. She's a cognitive neuroscientist. She studies exceptional human performance including psi effects, precognition, presentiment.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
I have trained people to be excellent precognitive remote viewers who did not believe in it at all. There were thousands of premonitions about 911 that are really compelling. Some of them saved their life.
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Mayim Bialik
How do you teach someone to be a remote viewer? Hi, I'm Ayan Bialik.
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Jonathan Cohen
I'm Jonathan Cohen.
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Mayim Bialik
Welcome to our breakdown.
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Jonathan Cohen
Let's explore time.
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Mayim Bialik
What is time?
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Jonathan Cohen
This conversation was fascinating because our guest today is going to explain the future is actually sending information back to us.
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Mayim Bialik
Sending can we all see the future? If you've ever thought about a dream you had a feeling you had and then you felt like it came true, components of it came true. Our guest today literally scientifically studies information from what we perceive as the future as well as information from our perceived past and how they can all coalesce and make up a variety of phenomena that in many cases we just haven't been trained to tap into.
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Jonathan Cohen
Julia is also going to describe to us a very specific practice of how each of us can increase our ability to remember our dreams. She describes how self compassion for your past self and your future self can actually increase your intuitive ability. She explains precognitive awareness where you can have dreams and visions of the future.
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Mayim Bialik
And in case you're wondering where a conversation about seeing the future could go, yes, it goes there. It goes into if people can remote view into the future, can they predict true tragedies from happening? She's going to share her own personal experience of foreseeing tragedies that literally occurred. She talks about the different tools that we can use to try and firm up our belief in understanding what is happening in places other than where our physical body is and in places other than where our timestamp is. We talk about how the government has used these tools and how CIA agencies continue to use these tools. And while those Things can be used for nefarious reasons. There's also a way to utilize these things from a really mind blowing, mystical and transcendental perspective of are we on, as she calls it, the wrong side of the quilt. When we examine our existence and very
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Jonathan Cohen
practically speaking, when we talk about these mystical abilities and intuition and seeing into the future, can we use these to guide our own lives, to find a better relationship, to find a job that more aptly fits our skillset that will likely make us happier? And how do we navigate the world through more intuitive senses?
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Mayim Bialik
Who can answer all of these questions and more? Dr. Julia Mossbridge. She's a cognitive neuroscientist and she studies exceptional human performance, including psi effects, precognition, presentiment. She's a senior distinguished fellow in human Potential at the center for the Future Mind at Florida Atlantic University and she is the human potential research lead for the telepathy tapes. So she is literally part of the team that is researching. Is there a way to quantify, once we've qualified, how do we quantify special abilities? And as Dr. Mossbridge is going to talk about, she doesn't even think of these things as special abilities. She thinks of them as abilities that we all are born with. We just haven't been taught how to listen to and how to refine.
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Jonathan Cohen
And if this doesn't seem like enough to capture your interest, stick around to the end of the conversation where Julia describes what happens when we die.
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Mayim Bialik
It's such a pleasure to. Welcome to the breakdown Dr. Julia Mossbridge. Break it down. Maybe you can start by defining for us precognition and how that's distinguished from premonition or if you use them interchangeably.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
So precognition is the scientific term. Scientific ish term for receiving information about a future event through means that are other than normal sensory means or. Or actually causing the event. Right. So some examples of what precognition is not. Precognition is not having a dream about buying a new rug that's purple and then going to the store and getting a new rug that's purple and being like, oh my gosh, I precognized this. And like, well, also you could have caused that because you had that dream, remember? So that's one another thing. Precognition is not. Is dealing with unconscious information that you then infer from. So like, oh, it's Thursday, I woke up and I just had this feeling my mom would call. Well, you haven't noticed that your mom calls every Thursday, but she does. So you're not precognizing it. You're actually using unconscious information, like everyone does, to try to predict future events. That's not the same thing. And then the other thing that it's not is getting information about a future event and having to be conscious of it or non conscious. Let me say this another way. Precognition can be conscious or unconscious. In other words, you can get information about a future event and you don't know you're getting it, but you use that information. Like today I'm just going to run and I'm going to go for this run on this particular route. And it just so happens that your route avoided a tree that fell and killed another runner or something like that. That's. That could still be precognition in the sense that you may have gotten information about the future. It could have just been coincidence, but it could be precognition. You got the information about the future, you avoided that place, but you weren't conscious of it. So in other words, I guess what I'm saying is precognition does not have to be conscious. In fact, it's often unconscious. Premonition is usually associated with negative events. Very few people will say, I had a premonition that I'm going to win the lottery. I have a premonition, I'm going to win the lottery. Some people will. Usually premonition comes from the term pre before monaire, the root words, which means to warn. So it's really associated with something that you're being warned about. So something negative. So that's one difference. Whereas precognition is neutral in the valence. But also premonition is a folk term. It's less of a scientific term. It's very hard to study premonitions because they're by definition spontaneous. They just occur. I had this premonition that occurred to me in my sleep. It occurred to me upon waking. It occurred to me as I was falling asleep. It occurred to me when I was doing dishes. They just occur and they're necessarily conscious. Whereas precognition is a name for all of the things including premonitions. It's an umbrella term for this information that comes either consciously or unconsciously in ways that are not normal sensory means, not normal memory means, and not through unconscious or conscious inference and not through being caused. And so that's the relationship. So precognition is the scientific umbrella term. Premonition is one of the sort of items under the umbrella. Prophecy is another item under the umbrella.
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Jonathan Cohen
I wonder if we could Just step back for a second and set the table for this conversation. You're a scientist and you believe in things that the layperson may have heard about but doesn't fully understand. And some of those things, if I'm okay to paraphrase here, is that the future is knowable, that the amount of senses that we have, our general senses, could be expanded upon. What else do you believe in sort of the simplest terms that the layperson may be very curious about or not fully understand.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
You know, I'm trying to get out of my academic mind because my academic mind wants to fight with this idea that the future is noble, because I'm not sure I believe that entirely. I'm not sure I believe entirely that our senses can be expanded. Because you could call this kind of sense that I'm talking about with which people sense the future, you could call it one of our existing senses that we just don't well understand. So let me go to any higher level and say my basic understanding, and it's hardly a belief, it's really based on fact, is that we don't understand how time works and that we think we do. And that's how I would set the table for this conversation, is that we don't understand how time works. By we, I mean, like everyone on the planet. No one understands how time works. And we think we do. Meaning everyone on the planet has their opinion about how time works. And oftentimes it's this idea that the future is this vast, unknowable space, the past you can't go back to or really see anymore. It's gone. Each each moment it's gone, it's gone, it's gone. Every time we're in a new now, it's gone. And that you can't affect the past from the future. Those are things that many people in the world believe to be true about time, but we don't really know. And there's lots of indications in physics and in psychology and neuroscience that we really, really don't know. And there's a lot of wiggle room in all of those things. I just said that we think we know. That's how I would set the table.
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Jonathan Cohen
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yeah, I mean, I think if you could learn anything, if you're a person who has the capacity to learn and some people, you know, don't because they're stuck with bodies that can't, can't learn things. Most people can.
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Jonathan Cohen
What does it mean to use your body as a tool here?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Well, if the body, if the physical reality is not primary, so I include in physical reality like electromagnetic waves, all the stuff we were just talking about in the Minkowski space time block world thing. If physical reality is not primary, if what's primary comes underneath that, and by underneath that, I mean it's supportive to physical reality, kind of provides the blueprint for physical reality, but isn't the same as physical reality, then the thing that's supporting it is sort of can be called consciousness with a capital C, can be called information, like an informational substrate. Sometimes I call it pervasive universal consciousness. Sometimes you could think of it as the breath of God. It has been called that, or Tsim Tsum, the contraction of God, so that, so that physical things can exist. But it comes first, it's foundational. It's the root of matter, it's the root of the physical things. So therefore the body is growing up out of that. Like the body is the tree that comes out of the seed. And so then what good is the tree? If the purpose of the seed is to create the tree, what good is the tree? Well, the, the tree ends up producing more seeds. But also the tree has all these other purposes. It interacts with the wind. Right? It interacts with the soil. It changes the, the world just by existing, even if it doesn't have any acorns. I'm thinking of an oak tree here, but whatever, it's my favorite kind of tree. But even if it doesn't have any seeds that it produces. Right. So it's a tool of this informational substrate or the pervasive universal consciousness, or the breath of God. It's a tool to make change.
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Jonathan Cohen
And in this metaphor, when you're talking about a universal consciousness, you know, I think back to our conversation with Thomas Campbell, who talks about the larger consciousness system. My understanding of it is that you're trying to access more information outside of your ego to be, have more grace, have more synchronicity, have more opportunity. How do you imagine it?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
I imagine it that it goes in, in developmental stages. So if you, if you, if you read about like the process of psychological self development, like in self psychology, or it used to be called ego development. Although they changed that because it wasn't really about the ego as much as everything, the whole psyche. I think at first you can get into it because you're like, ooh, I'm going to have more opportunities, I'm going to more go with the flow. It's going to bring me more joy. Maybe I'll find a partner. You know, these things that we want. In kabbalistic mysticism, there's talk about the lesser Hara and the greater Hara. Hara is like energy. And the lesser hurrah are things that you need. You need the energy that says, I want to find a partner, I want to build a house, I want to do well in my career. Because in order to survive and really get to the next to use the greater hurrah, you need those things. The greater hurrah is about self transcendence. And I think that's sort of what happens is people get hooked onto the lesser hurrah. Like, oh, if I do this, I'm going to help my career. And you probably will help your career. And then you get to this point of, oh, it feels really good to me to let go of these sort of immediate my individual life needs and realize that I can use this as a tool to support my community, to support the world, to join in something that's larger than me and let that energy and information flow through me, to access what I would call the unconditional universal love as an energy that feeds this self transcendence. The actions that are self transcendent. How can I help make the world a better place? And it will, of course, that will also have an impact on your family and on your house and on your career. Sometimes the impact is negative, sometimes it's positive. But there's this. Abraham Maslow talked about the hierarchy of deeds just before he died in 1969. He wrote about the need that he forgot to list, which is the need for self transcendence. To join in something larger than ourselves that's positive, moves towards a goal that is beyond ourselves. And it's not just a need. It's a very active force that can reach down to anyone who's even struggling with having enough food or feeling safe in their environment can reach down in that hierarchy of needs and pull them up. So it has a special status. It's both a need and an active force. And so that's how I think it works.
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Mayim Bialik
You talk in this book about the sort of conditions that need to be in place for someone to be open to, let's say Precognition. Right. To be open to having these experiences. And you list three things that are needed. And one is an openness to experience. The second is extroversion, and the third is belief in precognition. So can you talk a little bit about the conditions of who are the people who are more likely to be able to tap into this? And what is it like to develop these aspects of you if these are the things that are needed?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Okay, yeah. And just some clarification. That result about openness to experience, extraversion and belief was a scientific result that came from multiple studies of people reporting.
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Mayim Bialik
The study is basically like, who the heck are the kind of people who think that their dreams are coming true?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Right, Exactly.
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Mayim Bialik
What do they have in common?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Right. And so there's fewer and there's some studies where they actually test people's precognitive ability and they rank them according to those things. So this does not mean that if you're not extroverted, like, I'm an introvert. This does not mean if you're not extroverted, you can't do precognition. It doesn't mean if you don't believe it, you can't do it. And it doesn't mean if you're not open to experience, you can't do it. It just means that on average, those are the folks who either say, which. The extroversion thing, like, of course, Right, sorry, introvert joke, but say. Or actually are, that they experience precognition or actually are precognitive. And I did a study with, I think several thousand respondents, I forget the number. And looked at their actual skill at precognition. And this was actually after that book was published and correlated it with those same kind of traits, the big five, you know, ocean. And found a similar correlation with openness, maybe with extroversion, artisticness. But it was complicated. It wasn't simple. On some tasks it was one thing and some tasks it was another. And I don't know what to think of it. And so I'm just going to back up and say what I think you really need to be good at. Precognition is openness. I think that's really real. Just like anything that you. If you want to learn something, if you're not open to learning it, like, good luck. So openness, the capacity to learn new things and some kind of interest that drives you. Some kind of interest that drives you. And that could be disbelief. I've found people, I have trained people to be, to do, to be excellent precognitive remote viewers who did not believe in it at all. In fact, sometimes it works best because they're like, this doesn't work. And I'm like, great, do you want to be in the class or not? And if they say yes, I'm like, great. We'll just go through the motions and see what happens. There's a strong feeling about it. And they want to be in the class to prove themselves. Right now, what can happen is they prove themselves wrong, but then they've flipped. But all there needs to be is a strong motivation one way or another. And so it doesn't, I don't think, even need to be belief. In fact, I've done experiments where people who don't believe in precognition show the effect, but they show it in the reverse direction of those who do believe in precognition. It's still statistically significant. They're just doing the opposite thing psychically.
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Mayim Bialik
How do you teach someone to be a remote viewer?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
It's the. It's the easiest thing. And. And I. And I no longer.
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Mayim Bialik
Oh, great, let's just do it right now.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
We can. We can. The thing is it people do it differently. So I will say, like, my way of teaching is based on my background, doing my PhD at Northwestern and teaching people to differentiate tones that were really obscure and very difficult to differentiate. And the way we taught them is we didn't tell them anything psychological or informational. We just said, listen to these two tones, and we're going to tell you. You tell us whether you think they're different, and we'll tell you if you're right. And they practice for about half an hour a day, and after about five days, they could differentiate these tones because their own feedback mechanisms trained them. So really, it was practice. So what I believe is the way you learn anything is practice, especially perceptual things like remote viewing. But you can go to many, many remote viewing teachers who will train you in all sorts of different ways. The kind the military used, et cetera, et cetera. And what I do is I take people who have already been trained in that way or people who are completely new, and I say, we're going to try to predict this future event. I give them the website at the premonition code where they can go get future pictures that are randomly selected for free. And I just have them try to predict it in different ways. And I. The only thing I add to it is I ask them to use unconditional love for themselves in the training process. And for the target. The target is whatever you're looking at in the future. And that really changes people in a positive way. They start.
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Mayim Bialik
Hold on, hold on, Julia. What's love got to do with it?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yes. Well, I started doing that for two reasons. One is on the flip side. With my non profit, I had developed an app to help people deal with trauma by connecting with different versions of themselves and time themselves in time. So what we call time travel therapy.
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Mayim Bialik
Everyone wants to know what time travel therapy is.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Time travel therapy is the best named therapy because it sounds really fun and frankly it is. And it's not that much hard work. So time travel therapy is every. So first you acknowledge everyone, not just crazy people, but everyone has an internal model of themselves at earlier times in their lives. Like if you close your eyes and you're asked to think of yourself when you were 12, you can conjure that up.
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Mayim Bialik
I was in a movie. You can also watch it on a screen. It's kind of weird, but go ahead. Sorry. So everybody, you could close your eyes.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Imagine that those versions of yourself still kind of exist. And you can talk to them and you could connect with them.
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Mayim Bialik
This is the basis of inner child work. It's the same basis of internal family systems.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Exactly. So now also notice that you have versions of yourself in the future. Like you imagine if I took this job, that's what it would look like. What is it going to be like on my deathbed if I'm with that person, what that would look like? You have those models too. Those are anticipatory models. They're important parts of our brain trying to model the future.
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Mayim Bialik
But future me, it's very different than past me.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
That's what we think.
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Mayim Bialik
Well, I mean, what I can say
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
is
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Mayim Bialik
I have a knowing, if we want to use that word. I have a knowing of the emotional existence of me at 12. In the sense that the way that I frame my timeline is that existed and we all have pictures and, you know, images and experiences that form that. Whereas when I think of future me, like if I have to live with Jonathan for five more minutes, I could either be super happy about it or I could be super mad about it. Both of those exist. I got a lot more possibility in the future than I do in the past. Meaning there is one distinct me at 12.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Right.
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Mayim Bialik
That I conjure and there's infinite me's in the future.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Well, but the thing is. But that's not true.
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Jonathan Cohen
Yeah. Is it true that there's only one version of you in the past?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
No, it's just the one you conjure who was in Beaches. So there's actually infinite past versions. And if there are infinite future versions, then by definition there are infinite past versions because all we have is what we're calling the present. So this is the cool thing. So you can actually learn something about your past self by doing these kind of exercises. So a mental time travel therapy exercise. So the way I came across it is when I was a kid, I was in this really dysfunctional family that was also full of, like, super interesting people, unconditional love, abuse that wasn't acknowledged as abuse, weird neglect and fun. I mean, a weird mix of those things. I'm not going to go into detail on abuse. But there was this nightly ritual that was abusive. And what I did was I saw in this rocking chair near my bed, this woman who was in her 50s, she had brown hair. She was rocking in the rocking chair. And she would say to me, it's okay to be angry. This doesn't make sense. This isn't your fault. And by the way, you're going to thrive someday. She would say it over and over again. That was like the mantra. And only when I was in therapy in my 40s did my therapist have me go be with my earlier self during this abuse. And she's like, what would you say? And I know just what I would say. I would say, it's okay to be angry. This doesn't make any sense. This is a bad situation, but someday you're going to thrive. Someday. And that's when I realized, oh, this is a loop. I was seeing myself, and then I created it. The funny thing about all of this is I don't actually know if I created that when I was a child or if I created that memory as an adult of me being a child and seeing that woman in my mind's eye. I don't know, and I don't care because the whole circle is healing. So I don't care about the ontological reality. In an experiment, I would. But in my own history and my own psyche, I don't care about whether I actually, as a child, saw that woman or if I placed that memory in the past, because now I see it as this healing loop that helped save me. And so that's why I created Time Machine. I created this institute called the Institute for Love and Time. We work on unconditional love and weaving that through time because it's healing. And I created Time Machine because I went and I looked in the psychological literature and I saw there's this Thing. It's called backwards time travel. It's called time travel therapy. It's called time travel narratives. People are giving it different names, but this is a thing that people do. They call it eternal family systems through time. And it works. And I wanted to turn it into an app so that everyone could experience it without having a therapist. And so we made Time Machine. And I realized there's something about my work with the precognition and the precognitive remote viewing and studying the science of precognition. And there's something about this healing modality. They were saying the same things, that there's this relationship between unconditional love, learning to unconditionally love yourself, both in the past and then in the future, and how healing that is. We actually showed it mathematically, the causal efficacy of unconditional love, and developing this time perspective on overall well being. There's something related about how healing that is and your ability to accept that you can receive information from the future. It's almost like once you realize that you will love yourself no matter what, and you can be loved no matter what, some of the barriers drop. And now you have less opinion. You have fewer opinions about this information that's coming in. You're less judgmental about it, but you're also less attached to it. So if you're wrong, you're wrong, and you still love yourself. If you're right, you're right, and you still love yourself. And so you get into this much more useful place for the world, because it's not about your own ego and it's about collaborating with others. Because if you have a team of people who are trained to do this, maybe one of them will be right and it'll rub off on the others, you know? And so it's more about figuring out how to navigate time helpfully with love than it is about how can I get my life to work out in the best possible way? And the reason that leads to this spiritual path is you recognize, what do I even think is the best possible way? Like my opinion of the best possible way of my life working out at any particular time is often, when I look back, perhaps not the best possible way. And so that's one of the things you learn as you start to do this, is, wait a minute. As I start to chat with my future selves and my past selves just in my own mind. They're all imaginary chats, but I'm learning something real, which is sometimes my opinion about what should happen is not the
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Jonathan Cohen
highest good I mean I think that's very relatable. Often our limited perspective, we think, oh, if I stay in this job and get the promotion, that's what I want. But maybe it's leaving that job and going and something else opening up and having an entirely new career which will be something much more fulfilling for someone.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
100%. Yeah, it happens all the time.
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Jonathan Cohen
What was the meth that you said proved the power of love in self compassion in this way?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yeah, I'm sorry, I really, I get excited and I use the word prove, but that's not a real scientific term. And I always find it irritating when people say that.
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Jonathan Cohen
Evidence for.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Maybe we have some evidence for that. And so that came from our paper. Our team's paper was sponsored by the Robert Wood Johnson foundation, which is a health and equity foundation in the US and that work, we took 97 people who were willing to participate in the study. It was like a 26 day study, pilot study of the technology time machine. And we had them go through just five days of leaving messages for themselves and then the next day they would get the message. So it's like just talking to yourself a little bit over time with love. And they would also sometimes read an inspirational quote. And we were just looking at their self report of their overall well being before and after and during this process. Overall well being as a self report is really interesting because people who have been trained in sort of observational science or science that tries to figure out what's going on inside a person by looking at what they say about what's going on inside them also know that a better thing is to have some kind of other measure. Right. So they say they're feeling good, but like can we really trust that what we did to sort of prove that our measure of overall well being was important and made it wasn't just people just blowing smoke up our asses was we put people into two groups. Whether they had early childhood trauma. We had them complete the adult the survey of our early childhood trauma. ACEs survey whether they had severe early childhood trauma or just mild to moderate early childhood trauma. No one had no early childhood trauma predictably. And so, and what we saw when you looked at the overall well being of people walking in the door of that study before they did anything, it was statistically significantly the case that people who had severe early childhood trauma had worse overall well being and people who had less severe had statistically significantly better overall well being. That convinced us that our measure was good because it's not like they were talking to Each other about what did you put on the overall well being scale and what was your early childhood trauma? It just fell out that way. And we know that people who have more severe early childhood trauma are more likely to have worse overall well being on any particular day. So over the course of the 26 days, this is my favorite result of this study. The folks who had worse trauma caught up to the folks who had little to no trauma. And the folks who had little to moderate or little to no trauma also improve statistically significant in their overall well being. But now they look like the same group, like literally the same mean overall well being. That's an impressive result because it's hard to move this population. It's hard to move them to. They literally improved twice as much in overall well being as compared to the ones who didn't have as much trauma. Why do I bring that up in this context? Because we were asking also what their experience of unconditional love for themselves and others was through the 26 days. And we were also asking about what their sense of time perspective was, which is this measure of how you look at the past, how you look at the future, and how you look at the now. A balanced time perspective is looking at the past with real positivity doesn't mean glossing over things that happened, but being able to tell a story that's redemptive about whatever happened. A balanced time perspective in the future is being able to have reasonable plans that make sense that aren't based on like winning the lottery. And a balanced time perspective of the Dow is just to feel like hopeful and positive in the now. So a balanced time perspective across all of those is a really good indicator of life satisfaction and career outcomes, education and health outcomes. So balanced time perspective and unconditional love were two different causal influences on overall well on the change of overall well being over the course of the study. But the unconditional love we could show using mediation analysis was actually, you could say mathematically causal to the improvement in overall well being. That followed up on a previous study by some other folks that showed that self transcendence, unconditional love as a form of self transcendence is causal to overall well being improvement. This is this idea that there's actually self transcendence. One big piece of self transcendence is unconditional love can lift you up, lift you up beyond where you're expected to
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Mayim Bialik
be, which is very consistent with, you know, what a lot of the sort of mainstream and you know, like what sort of entered the cultural consciousness in terms of manifesting, I'm not saying they're the same, but it's not a coincidence. Like for anyone out there who's like, oh, that sounds a little bit like. It's not a coincidence that this is what Bruce Lipton talks about. This is what Joe Dispenza, what Tony Robbins have made careers built on.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Well, and Valerie Carr.
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Mayim Bialik
Yep. And also what many neural retraining programs are training you to do. You know, biofeedback techniques like heart math. Right. It's training you to sustain an elevated feeling of positivity because it is in that state that it seems we. I think one day we'll be able to see more, you know, more accurately that different cellular processes are functioning. We're getting immune. Immune systems coming online that otherwise weren't. And with sustained practice and with consistent practice, what you're doing is, you know, manifesting is not just like making a pretty vision board. It's creating the neurochemical milieu in which healing can occur.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
And how is it doing that? I think it's doing that. And this is where Tom Campbell and I are in a total agreement. It's doing that through. Through affecting the big C consciousness. The informational substrate, it's going in this loop. So it's pulling you up, self transcendence into the foundation.
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Mayim Bialik
I like that visual, which is, yeah, kind of consistent with like that tsim tsum concept also. Right. That contraction that is needed for. For expansion.
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Mayim Bialik
I wonder if we can get a little, a little more specific. You know, you mentioned, you mentioned a lottery ticket and I can't help but go there because one of the things that you talk about being able to utilize precognition for is things like predicting stock market trends. If you are someone who either believes in psychic abilities or is looking to develop them, learning these kinds of tools kind of adds to whatever tool base you might be having. It also sort of redefines the notion of what it is to be a psychic. And you also talk about these techniques can be used to help you find a better career path. And by better, I mean better for you and for your heart's desire. There is an example, though, in the book of someone who dreamt the correct lottery numbers. It's a 1 in 278 lottery. 256 chants. His name was Victor Amol. Is that how you pronounce it?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
And he was a software. I believe it was a software engineer.
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Mayim Bialik
And he correctly dreamt a series of lottery numbers. I think he won $10,000. There's some examples in your book, you know, of people. And also I want you to give a little bit of a framework for what you talk about when you talk about the confirmation of precognitive information that comes in dreams. So the notion is not kind of the example you gave earlier. I dreamt about a purple rug. I went to Target and there's a purple rug. Like I dreamt it, right? And my mother right now, when she listens to this episode, is literally gonna vibrate out of her chair and possibly levitate because my mother has a series of precognitive experiences that I don't know if they would hold up to your confirmation. But, you know, some of the requirements for precognition are that there be two or more correspondences between the precognition and the event happening that makes you say, I had a precognitive experience of this. Can you describe what correspondences are?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Actually, the purple rug example would be two correspondences. The color purple and the rug.
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Mayim Bialik
I got that right.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yeah, you got that right.
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Mayim Bialik
Explain what correspondences are.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
If you listed out all the things, all the adjectives and all the verbs in your dream, like running clumsily yellow and then, oh, I guess the nouns stop sign, you know, and that you had a dream about clumsily running towards a yellow stop sign. If you listed those out and then the next day you were clumsily running away from a yellow garbage truck. That's interesting. But you could also have caused that if you saw a video randomly. If a friend sent you a video of them running clumsily away from a red stop sign, that's enough. Right.
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Mayim Bialik
Because you can't control them because there's running.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yes, clumsily stop sign, stop sign. Even though it wasn't the wrong color.
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Mayim Bialik
But we're at three.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
You were at three. Yeah. And you could have control it. It's not like you did the thing.
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Mayim Bialik
Got it. So if you have a dream that you're running clumsily and then the next day you run clumsily somewhere that could be. And not very unconscious, you know, system at work. But if you saw someone else running clumsily, you saw a video, something you had no control over. We're looking for two of those things, and we need a short delay of less than two weeks from the precognition to the event.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Okay, to be clear, that's a little bit harsh. Um, some people actually have dreams that come true a year later. And I know one woman who keeps it very, very intense time dream journal. And things come true for her on like monthly and yearly cycles on that day. So what I was really trying to do with that, I did write that section of the book. Theresa Chung and I were co authors and she would write ones. And so I wrote that section. And what I was really trying to do is to reduce the number of emails I would get from people who said, really? Who said, I think I'm this amazing precognitive dreamer. Britney Spears had a fireworks show at halftime. And the night before, I dreamt that she was going to have a firework show. I'm like, no. And so. Or three years before, I dreamt there was a plane crash of nondescript variety. And then there was this plane crash three years later, and I dreamt it. And it's like, no, I would buy it if so. Some people have had plane crash dreams where it's like, here's the number of the flight.
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Mayim Bialik
Elizabeth Crone, who we had on the podcast, she literally, like, saw the number of people killed to accuracy several times. And the flight name, like, it's insane. And also where it landed. Yeah.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yes. And so you have to sort of have. Know a little bit about statistical likelihood yourself. And so I was trying to give people a shortcut and say, okay, that's helpful.
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Mayim Bialik
You said that if there's a longer delay, longer than two weeks, we need more correspondences. In theory, yeah.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Because there's a just a statistical likelihood of more things happening.
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Mayim Bialik
Of course, so. And there has to be no way of predicting or causing the event yourself, which we talked about. I also like that you said you get extra credit if you record the experience before the event to prevent false memory, which we did an episode with Dr. Amir Raz, who's a fantastical neuroscientist and a friend of mine, and he's got a whole thing about false memory that makes you wonder if anyone knows or remembers anything. If you want me to think about my past life or future life, I may not have any accurate memory of anything at all.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Unless your current perception of it is what. Is what you're working with.
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Mayim Bialik
My current perception is I'm talking to you right now. And if these are the conditions for precognitive confirmation, the. The man dreaming the lottery numbers. I'm just going to be honest. I don't know how to explain that. Like in a material. In a material fashion, to say that a 1 in 278, 258 chance of guessing those correct numbers, like, that's mind blowing. There's also an example of a doctor who dreamt something with six correspondences that were accurate. She recorded her dreams for 50 years. This one she didn't get extra credit for. This is the dream. Ready? She opened a newspaper. On page five, there was a story that five train cars had fallen off the track at Fifth street in Wyoming Avenue in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. The next morning. Ready for it, Valerie? You ready to get chills? She opened the paper, and on page five was the story, literally page five, trains. Five train cars fell off the track. Fifth Avenue, Wyoming Avenue, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I cannot explain This, I can explain
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
it in two ways.
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Mayim Bialik
Well, good for you.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
So how about that?
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Mayim Bialik
This is why you wrote this book and I did not. I just read it and picked my jaw up off the floor.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
So the one one way that people can explain it and it's a legitimate explanation is confirmation bias. A lot of things happen and some of those things at some point will match up with something that you dreamt. And you're only going to write about it and tell people about it. If it's really remarkable.
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Mayim Bialik
Six times six things.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yeah, maybe. No, I'm just saying that's one explanation. And frankly, you know, if you think about statistics, there's one chance and maybe a million. But like how many dreams do people.
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Mayim Bialik
All you need is one.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Right, Exactly. So it's like winning the lottery. Right? One chance and however many. So that's confirmation bias is one way to explain it.
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Mayim Bialik
And the reason that's not as sexy as the other explanation.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
No, it's not. But the reason we do experiments in the lab or online using controlled methods is to show that statistically, significantly, over and over again, you could show precognition is a real effect and it's not confirmation bias. But in terms of spontaneous precognition like that, it's really hard to say that any particular case wasn't just a coincidence. Right. So that. But what I think is a better explanation based on the fact that you can do controlled experiments in the lab and show that this stuff isn't a coincidence because you're controlling the stimuli and you still see the relationship. The other explanation is that in some way that we don't understand yet, but that is real information in the future is leaky, leaking back in time.
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Mayim Bialik
That's it.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
And. Right. And if you're thinking about time as this, like, you know, this loaf of bread, why couldn't there be a rule in the universe that like, if this one gets moldy in the future, the mold can maybe travel back and get this one molded in the past? I mean. Right. Especially if it's something that's really powerful, like mold. Like 9 11. There were thousands of premonitions about 911 that are really compelling, especially from people who didn't get killed at 911 and some of them that saved their. Saved their life. Whether that would be true in other cases, I don't know. Right. There's this wonderful book, Premonitions Bureau speaking.
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Mayim Bialik
I've read it.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yeah, yeah. Speaking all to these kind of things. And he sort of acts like. I mean my. I wrote a review of that book, my big complaint was he acts like modern science doesn't exist and we can't possibly do the experiment, which is so bizarre.
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Mayim Bialik
Modern science really gets in the way of a lot of his ideas.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Well, a lot of his ideas are. It's all confirmation bias, and, and he sort of wants to poo poo the whole thing. But the, what I, what I took out of it is if we wanted to make a premonitions bureau where people would actually assess skilled intuitives or skilled precogs, something like Minority Report, if we wanted to create something like that, he was showing us how not to do it.
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Mayim Bialik
Well, and the fact is, I mean, once we're, once we're in this realm, we might as well talk about it. And you, you mention it in a very special box in the book. If you are a person who's mentally ill or has a family history of mental illness, or you're living in a cultural environment where this is not accepted or this is denigrated, you have to be really, really careful about your precognitive statements because it can arouse confusion, suspicion. In many cases, you. You may be hospitalized if you are a person who's in a position to be involuntarily hospitalized. And the Premonitions bureau, I mean, many of the people who were predicting horrendous, horrendous disasters were people who otherwise were diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic. And we're typically heavily medicated to stop those visions from happening. But what we know from psychedelic experiences, from deep meditation experiences, from near death experiences, we know that when the thalamus stops filtering, what you get is what many say is the fabric of our existence. Literally a piece of fabric on which we are that ball bearing, right? And we're all just sort of like floating in it. And sometimes since I met Thomas Campbell and we had him on the podcast, and I a little bit fell in love with his brain. And, you know, sometimes when I'm scared or when I'm sad, I just think, like, it's just zeros and ones.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yeah, there's informational substrate. Here we go.
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Mayim Bialik
It's just like, oh, my God, that hurts so bad. And like, I'm crying, but I'm just like, floating. And like, there's trucks and car. Like, we live in a city, right? Like, you can sort of like, do that telescoping. But for people who have access to these kinds of premonitions, it's dangerous. It can be perceived as very dangerous.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Blowing that up a little bit, Any kind of psychic capacity where you can get information about things. Because if you're precognitive, you could also get information about things you're not supposed to know about.
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Mayim Bialik
That's Jonathan's favorite kind of information to tell me about when he wakes up in the morning.
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Jonathan Cohen
What do you mean you're not supposed to know about it? Why are you getting it if you don't? You're not supposed to know because it's out there.
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Mayim Bialik
You can't help it.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
I don't mean supposed to know from a universal or consciousness or informational substrate sense. I mean, like we have classified information in our country and other people, other countries have classified information. And some remote viewers are gifted enough to get that classified information without clearance.
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Mayim Bialik
This never occurred to me.
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Jonathan Cohen
I mean, it's in the news a lot right now because of the feud between Trump and Elon Musk, whether or not Jeffrey Epstein really killed himself. And there's this information back and forth. So you're saying that type of classified information a remote viewer may be able to just get the answer to. Now how they verify that as true or not is another question.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Well, right. There's different kinds of classified information. Some kind of classified information is information that some people know and only those people are supposed to know and other people don't. And there's other information about what is not known. Like. Right, like it's classified that we don't know, blah, blah, blah. Right. That our ignorance is classified. But regardless. So for instance, remote viewing. A friend of mine, John Vivanco, and his partner Pru Calabrese were two of the first remote viewers to get an actual consulting job going. And they were supported largely by three letter agencies. FBI came to them after 9, 11 and said, we don't know anyone who can tell us using any kind of technique whether the foundation under the World Trade Towers, World Trade Center Towers has been cracked. Can you guys look with your psychics?
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Mayim Bialik
No.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yes. No. Yes, true. And, and he's like, sure. And they looked, and they said, it looks intact. And they said, thank you very much.
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Mayim Bialik
So was it intact?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yeah.
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Mayim Bialik
Okay. But in this case, we had, we had a 50 chance of being right, 100%. I mean, is it a boy or a girl?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Yeah, right, exactly. Our intelligence agencies have continued to work with, whether pro bono or otherwise with remote viewers on various projects. There's a love hate relationship here, and that's why I bring up the Virginia thing. There was actually a case of another software engineer who said he dreamt of, of the lottery numbers. And there's a part of me that says, are they saying this, or have they invented a way to look at the lottery numbers in the future? And they're like, I'm going to say, I dreamt it. So anyway, I'm just. They're in Virginia. They're hanging around, you know, near nsa, maybe. That's happening. You know, my point is that there's a whole world of secrets. The world is run on a lot of secrets. Forget governments. Forget classified information. You've got companies that do not want another company to know what their corporate, you know, IP is, right? So it's. There's danger. Danger, Will Robinson, when you realize this stuff is real.
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Mayim Bialik
Why isn't MORE leaked then? I mean, we had it. We had Angela Ford on, like, I get it. I watched Wormwood. Like, I understand. I mean, it still kind of blows my mind that the government's like, we're going to teach you to look at things that aren't in the room. Because, like, the Russians figured out how to do this, and so did mystics. But why isn't MORE leaked? Like, if I could do this, I'd spend all my time doing this.
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Jonathan Cohen
That's why we were not going to let you take her class.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
See, the thing is, you don't know if you're working for. Let's say you have a contract for the FBI to look at the foundation. You're not allowed to tell that thing to anyone until 20 years later. And then you have permission to say, yeah, we did that.
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Mayim Bialik
I'd be a whistleblower. I'd be like, there's aliens. They're living in the White House. Donald Trump is an alien.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
If you don't have a security clearance, you're not told whether you're right or wrong. You're told, thank you. Thank you for the information. Period. So you can't leak anything because you don't know if it was thank you for the information, because secretly, we were trying to leak it. All right, it could be like secretly, except it could be like, we're testing to see if you're any good. Oh, it turns out you're not any good. Thank you.
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Jonathan Cohen
Are there groups of remote viewers working on corporate espionage right now?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
I think, yeah, sure. Unethical ones. I mean, there's the remote viewers that I train, and people I've trained with would, you know, part of their deal is like, I don't do corporate espionage. I don't leak classified secrets. I don't. You know, if I don't have a security clearance, I don't look at anything that's class. I mean, there's a whole set of ethics that ethical remote viewers hold, and then there's a different set of ethics.
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Mayim Bialik
Yeah, I was gonna say, if there's like eco terrorists, why can't there be eco. Like, why can't there be remote viewer terrorists who are like, I'm gonna reveal everything.
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Jonathan Cohen
Not speaking of your school of remote viewers, but knowing that this, in this training is out there, I would imagine that there are black hat remote viewers that are out there just trying to gather as much information as they can about anything. So if you have patents on a specific technology, there may be remote viewers out there trying to access that and it becomes relevant.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
How do you protect something from remote viewing that.
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Jonathan Cohen
Well, that's a question for you.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Well, that's not something I could speak to.
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Jonathan Cohen
Like, do you put crystals around it? Like you put it in a specific vault? Like, is it even possible?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
I tell you, a publicly known way. Lynn Buchanan teaches about this, a publicly known way to distract remote viewers is to put whatever it is of interest near something that's of more interest.
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Mayim Bialik
That's. That's what all politicians do. Like, oh, you're looking at, you're looking at the war that I started in a country far off. Well, there's aliens, right?
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Exactly, exactly. So. So if you have a really secret document, storing it next to something that you kind of don't care that gets out, but is more juicy is not a bad thing. Also, like the. Apparently there's a story about the Joe McMonagle talks about this also that in the Russian embassy they would have one of the lever. The layers of the building would have prostitutes just hanging out. And like remote viewers would just be like, there's prostitutes here. I don't know. Like that's where they would go. Because they were mostly men. So it's a good distraction.
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Jonathan Cohen
So having your remote viewers be female or gay men is an advantage if you want to avoid the prostitutes.
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Dr. Julia Mossbridge
Well, having your remote viewers not be known, their personalities and characteristics not be known to the adversary, it would be even better because if you know what would distract someone or attract their attention, then that's helpful.
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Mayim Bialik
We're actually going to take a pause here. Our conversation with Dr. Mossbridge has so much more that we want to share with you. We have to split it into two. There's too much to cover, so we're going to pause here. And part two, just to give you a little teaser covers specific interpretation of some of Jonathan's precognitive dreams, practical exercises so that you can hone your abilities to actually access precognitive abilities. We're also gonna talk about her work with the telepathy tapes how unconditional love plays a strong feature in being tapped into precognition and one of Jonathan's favorite topics what is time travel therapy? How can you use it to continue to hone in extrasensory perception and just
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Jonathan Cohen
briefly because we don't cover enough. In part two we touch on what happens after death, what happens to the soul, what is our understanding of near death experiences and mediumship. You do not want to miss part two so make sure you're subscribed and
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Mayim Bialik
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