PART TWO: Boost Your Intuition, Access Your Precognition & The Science Behind Psychic Abilities

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Podcast Summary

Podcast: Mayim Bialik’s Breakdown
Episode: PART TWO: Boost Your Intuition, Access Your Precognition & The Science Behind Psychic Abilities
Host: Mayim Bialik
Co-Host: Jonathan Cohen
Guest: Dr. Julia Mossbridge (Cognitive Neuroscientist, Distinguished Fellow in Human Potential at Center for the Future Mind, FAU)
Release Date: August 3, 2025

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Overview

In this rich and thought-provoking episode, Mayim and Jonathan continue their conversation with Dr. Julia Mossbridge, delving deeper into the science and lived experience of psychic phenomena, intuition, precognition, and the nature of consciousness. The trio grapples openly with questions often left underexplored in scientific discourse: Can we really see into the future? What do precognitive dreams mean—psychologically, spiritually, and collectively? How does love, trauma, or personal tragedy fit into these mysteries? And ultimately, what does it mean, in Mossbridge’s words, “to see the other side of the quilt” of reality?

With candor and curiosity, the episode weaves together cutting-edge neuroscience, personal stories, mystical traditions, and very practical advice, all while questioning the boundaries between experience, belief, and data.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Reconciling Precognition and Tragedy

• Ethical & Spiritual Dilemma: Mayim raises a tough question: How to make sense of stories where someone’s precognitive dream saves their life—while countless others still perish?

  • Dr. Mossbridge: Suggests that our concepts of God and universal justice fall short. Human scarcity thinking can't be projected onto a greater plan.
    • Quote: “We’re living on the wrong side of the quilt...if we were able to get to the other side...we could say, ‘oh, that’s why that person had to die and that’s why this’...But we’re living on the side with all the knots and all the things going weird places that don’t make any sense.” — Dr. Mossbridge (05:03)

• The Leap of Faith: Dr. Mossbridge stresses the importance of humility and acceptance—"there is a God and it's not me." (06:02)

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Exploring Personal Experiences of Precognition

• Jonathan's Recurring Precognitive Dream (06:41–09:37):
  • For a year, Jonathan dreamt of a specific town; years later under stressful circumstances, he found himself in that precise place, as if “information leaked from the future.” The experience brought a sense of divine perfection and relief.
• Mayim’s Analytical Lens: She contrasts Jonathan’s experience with scientific explanations for déjà vu (10:00–11:16).
  • Quote: “There are many aspects of this...Is it...What is it with the capital I?” —Mayim (11:03)
• Dr. Mossbridge’s Synthesis: She sees Jonathan’s experience as a “mix of déjà vu, precognitive dream, and the healing loop—time travel therapy.” (11:16)

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Developing Intuitive and Precognitive Abilities

Can Everyone Learn This? (13:54–16:08; 21:41–25:56)

• Trainability: Dr. Mossbridge argues most people (90%) can develop some level of intuitive and precognitive skill, drawing an analogy to musical ability (24:16–25:56).
  • Quote: “If your kid hums a tune...you don’t go ‘oh, we have to send you to a psychologist’...But if your kid goes ‘mommy, I dreamt that you were going to fall down the hill’...people panic.” (23:41)
• Practical Steps:
  • Dream Journaling: Write down any dream fragments—even “I don’t remember my dreams yet.” Doing so primes the brain to recall more over time (14:38–16:08).
    • Quote: “Especially write down the ones that are not worth writing down, because that’s BS.” —Dr. Mossbridge (14:52)
  • Exercises: Practice playful intuition games, document intuitive experiences, and participate in experiments.

The Role of Love

• Unconditional Love as a Frequency:
  • Dr. Mossbridge’s research found that self-reported feelings of unconditional love predicted higher precognition accuracy in tasks (23:41–24:45).
  • Quote: “They’re vibrating at a higher frequency. Right?” —Mayim (24:42)

Intuition as a Spectrum

• Intuition > Precognition:
  • Intuition is a “bigger umbrella” containing expert skill, unconscious pattern recognition, precognition, telepathy, clairvoyance, and more (19:35–21:39).

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The Nature of Time & Reality

Time is Not What We Think

• Block Universe & Relativity:
  • Dr. Mossbridge summarizes that physics (e.g., general relativity, block universe models) demonstrates time isn’t linear, the future exists, and the present is a privileged perceptual illusion (25:56–37:20).
  • Quote: “What we call now, which I think we all agree kind of maybe doesn’t exist, and this physical concept of time...” —Dr. Mossbridge (31:02)
• Multiverse and Free Will:
  • Discussion of “many worlds” interpretations as a way to resolve discomfort with predestination (34:15–37:15).
  • Quote: “The universe could be messy. We don’t really understand it.” (37:16)

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Ethics, Agency, and the Risks of Precognitive Practice

• Implications for Public Safety:
  • Dr. Mossbridge describes how her precognitive dreams about world events led her to consult on anti-terrorism efforts (51:26–53:46).
  • Potential Hazards: Danger of misinformation, raising false alarms, or influencing events via observation (“conservation of information,” perhaps even causing events by focusing on them) (54:22–55:58).
  • Quote: “Maybe by looking at something you can cause it to happen...I think it has to be done super carefully and conscientiously.” (54:22)

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Death, Soul, and Survival Beyond the Body

• Personal Synthesis (56:50–60:39):
  • Dr. Mossbridge shares her “aesthetic understanding”: The body dies; a “soul” continues, present throughout the spacetime continuum, available for infinite connection—the “necklace” stringing all life experiences together.
  • Quote: “The soul then continues on without being connected to that body in the same way...” (59:20)

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Dreaming Beyond the Self

• Becoming Other in Dreams (64:06–65:57):
  • Sometimes, we are different people or beings in dreams; Mossbridge muses this could be consciousness “trying on” different lives, or even literally exploring “other’s bodies.”
• Implications for Altered States & Neurodiversity:
  • Openness to the notion that experiences like these could inform understanding of autism, dementia, and nonverbal conditions.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “We’re living on the wrong side of the quilt...At some point when we get to a self-transcendent place…we could see the other side of the quilt and we can say, I get it, I just didn’t know the plan. And the plan was way too complex for my little human brain.” — Dr. Julia Mossbridge (05:03)

• “There's a God and it's not me.” — Dr. Mossbridge quoting a friend (06:02)

• “For Jonathan, [his precognitive experience] might need absolutely no explanation. He doesn’t want to hear that kind of analysis. And for me, I’m kind of all about what is. Is it. What is it with the capital I.” — Mayim Bialik (11:03)

• “I don’t buy into it…I’m just not buying the, I’m a head on a stick argument.” — Dr. Mossbridge, challenging Mayim’s “I’m all cognition” self-image (14:02)

• “If you expand intuition, you’re training everything.” — Dr. Mossbridge (21:16)

• “The plan looks like chaos. The plan looks like happenstance. The plan looks like not a plan to us.” — Dr. Mossbridge (53:01)

• “I’m 100% sure that the body dies...I’m 90% sure that there’s something that doesn’t die that’s associated with the person...When people are connecting with their loved ones after their loved ones died, what they're connecting with is that presence that was able to be in all those times at once. And that is not a human thing...that’s a soul.” — Dr. Mossbridge (56:50–59:20)

• “If you don’t assume that consciousness has to be tied to your brain all the time, then these opportunities open up...” — Dr. Mossbridge (65:06)

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Important Timestamps (MM:SS)

• 03:10–06:02 | Reconciling precognition, tragedy, and divine plans
• 06:41–09:37 | Jonathan’s recurring dream: a case study in precognition
• 13:54–16:08 | Can we train intuition and dreams? Practical techniques
• 19:35–25:56 | Intuition: music analogy, population distribution, and skill-building
• 25:56–37:20 | The physics of time: block universe, multiverse, and consciousness
• 43:56–48:09 | Nightmares vs. precognitive dreams: phenomenology and meaning
• 51:26–55:58 | Use and risks of psychic phenomena in public safety/anti-terrorism
• 56:50–60:39 | Dr. Mossbridge’s philosophy on death, soul, and identity
• 64:06–65:57 | Dreaming as/with others: consciousness, identity, and mystery

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Final Notes & Actionable Takeaways

• Most people can cultivate greater intuition and possibly experience precognition—with practical dreamwork and openness.
• Love, especially unconditional love, appears to be not only a force for connection but an amplifier of psychic awareness.
• Science and spirituality need not be at odds; true breakthroughs come from curiosity and the humility to honor both mystery and empirical inquiry.
• The physics of time, personal agency, and consciousness remain open questions—accepting uncertainty may itself be a path to awareness.
• Keep a dream journal—even if only noting “no dream remembered”—to encourage deeper self-knowledge and possibly unlock new abilities.
• Question the boundaries of what you believe about yourself, the mind, and experience: “Are you yourself all the time when you’re dreaming?”

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For Further Reflection

• Read Dr. Mossbridge’s The Premonition Code for exercises and deeper explorations.
• Consider joining MBB’s Substack to participate in community dream journaling and intuition practice.

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(Summary by Podcast Summarizer. For educational and reference purposes.)

Transcript

[A]

Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.

[B]

I'm Jonathan Cohen.

[A]

And welcome to part two of our conversation with Dr. Julia Mossbridge. She's a cognitive neuroscientist and a senior Distinguished Fellow in Human Potential at the center for the Future Mind at Florida Atlantic University. She's one of the professors who's been brought in to consult and lead the charge on the telepathy tapes as it expands its universe.

[C]

And.

[A]

And she is an unbelievable explainer of everything from premonitions, precognition, extrasensory ability, intuition. We hope that you caught part one of our conversation with her. It's a great place to start for a foundational understanding about time consciousness and how precognitive abilities are actually there for any of us to tap into at any time and can really reveal a window into what's happening, not just in your own mind, but in the universe.

[B]

And if you didn't, don't worry. Everything here stands on its own. We are going to dive into our understanding of time, how each one of us can increase our ability to have precognitive visions, how we can use our dreams to help us see into the future. And if you don't remember your dreams, she gives you practical ways to start increasing your chances of understanding and remembering your dreams.

[A]

She's also going to talk to us about the role that unconditional love plays. Plays in helping us have more access to more aspects of our consciousness. And she's gonna talk in particular about time travel therapy and what it means to kind of expand your mind. You'll see a lot of overlap with a lot of beautiful episodes we've done with Thomas Campbell, with Michael Singer, with Bruce Lipton. So we really, really hope you enjoy part two of our conversation with Julia Mossbridge. Break it down. There's many, many really fantastic examples in the book and also a really detailed, you know, kind of analysis of what it means to think about dreams this way, to think about precognitive events this way. You know, some of the issues that I wanted to bring up, which I'd love for you to speak to, is it. There's something about when people, let's say, indicate they've had a precognitive dream that, you know, told them not to take a train the next day.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And they normally would take the train, but instead they walked. And this happened a lot around 911 as well.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Of the people who were like, I knew not to go to work that day, how do we sort of reconcile? I'm going to go ahead and Say it. How does the God of our understanding, right, hold all of this possibility in the world? With when one person says, my life was saved because of my precognitive dream, but one other, I mean, a dog could die and I would feel like, oh my gosh, how, how dare I, right? You know, thousands of people can die and you have this one person like, well, I had a dream not to go to work. How do we wrap our heads around the universe that holds both of those experiences?

[C]

That's such an important question. And often I get people who are distraught because when I say I get, I mean they contact me who are distraught because they either think that they have just learned from, from our book, that they should learn precognition to save their life and that they had lost a child or something and they didn't know it and was it their fault that they didn't learn. And like, oh my gosh, there's so many things you can't control in this. And then the other, the other side is people who have had a traumatic brain injury or were born this way where they have incredible precognition constantly and they want it to stop because they feel a responsibility. And so far they haven't been able to change anything. Like, so the person has an accident, it's not the exact same as they saw, it's a different accident. But they, so this sort of like inevitability thing. And, and I think the way that we have to have to recognize it is that it's not the God of our understanding. I mean, it's, it's the God of, we have to have a God of a different understanding. I mean that God cannot share our understanding because our, our understanding is this earthly human understanding. And if your God is kind of like you, except kind of bigger and more powerful, then, then, then like it doesn't make any sense that, you know, all those people would die. Some of them probably had precognitions and were like, whatever, I'm going to work. You know, it just, it's not like they're better because they just forged ahead or they're worse because they didn't listen to their precognition or someone who didn't have a, I mean there's just no that kind of human personality. Body based scarcity thinking when we project it onto God fails. And so when people talk about the God of their understanding, I, I understand that from like my life in 12 step groups. It's like the idea is this God of your connection to this higher power, whatever it is right. And I like that openness. But I really think it's not helpful if it's of your understanding because that doesn't lift you up. It has to be bigger than your understanding and better than your understanding. So I think we sort of, that's the leap of faith is recognizing that there's lots of things we don't understand and yet there's some kind of a plan and the plan and we're living on the wrong side of the quilt. You know, there's this intricate, beautiful quilt that if we were able to get to the other side, we could see, oh, that's why that person had to die and that's why this. And. But we're living on the side with all the knots and all the things going weird places that don't make any sense. At some point when we get to a self transcendent place that when we die or before we're born, or when we're looking at things from this other point of view, we could see the other side of the quilt and we can say, I get it, I just didn't know the plan. And the plan was way too complex for my little human brain.

[A]

That's beautiful.

[C]

Thank you. But I think we can say that the plan is not simple and I think we can say we are not God. I mean, sort of, I feel like those are the two for sure things is like a friend of mine said, these are the things I'm sure of. There is a God and it's not me. And I like that.

[A]

Jonathan had a recurring dream that he often talks about and he dreamt. I mean, I will let Jonathan tell it and then I will give my cynical analysis as needed, but go ahead, Jonathan.

[C]

Great. Let's hear this.

[B]

I had a recurring dream three to five nights a week. So it's only my personal experience and therefore it's not a scientific study and we could dismiss it outright. However, my personal experience was that for more than a year, I was in my last year of university. It was before my son was conceived. I know when he was conceived. And I had this dream constantly about being in a very specific location on a road trip in the car we owned at the time. We pulled up next to a river underneath a tree and my then wife and I were in conflict. And it was like the feeling of it was very clear. And we pull up in this town and we say, let's rest here for a while. And we get out of the car and we look around and the downtown has a very specific design to it. There's a river running through. There's the shade of the tree. And we agree to rest here for a while. After my son is conceived, we move towns. I don't have that dream again until eight years later. Never. I don't remember. It doesn't come back to me. Eight years later, I find myself walking downtown in a town I've never been in before. And my life has had many unexpected twists and turns to find myself in that town. Enormous amount of conflict with my son's mom about where we should live. I'm in Toronto at the time they've moved to this town and she and I are in conflict of whether or not she's going to stay there. I walk downtown and it hits me, the design of the town, a river running through the. The downtown. There's the bridge, like the shape of the downtown, which has a courtyard and western style buildings that look like the Old West. And all of a sudden that dream comes back to me and I'm struck with all the times I've had that dream. And what hits me is a level of divine perfection that we are in this town at this moment. And all the panic and terror that I feel about we shouldn't be here and why have you moved here and you can't be here and I'm in Toronto and he's here and I need access to my son. All of that quiets and settles for a moment. And within the next couple of days, or I don't know how long, maybe a week, I get really clear that I'm leaving Toronto, I'm coming here, we're going to be living in this town. And for the next four years we live in this town. We sort out our divorce, we sort out our custody of our kid and we do, we rest here for a while. We don't end up staying there, but we rested there for a while. And it was a very profound experience that it felt like to me that some version of me was leaking information from the future back to me in a time that my life was gonna get pretty wild and unexpected once we had my son and go into that adventure of having a kid together.

[C]

Okay, let's hear the cynical take. I have a. I have a hopeful take.

[A]

No, I think, I think there's a lot of. There's a lot of beauty to it. I think there's a lot of meaning to it and I would never take that away from anyone.

[B]

But however.

[A]

Well, however, you know, when I think about, when I think about, for example, deja vu and what we know from some of the really interesting studies of deja vu is that the literal mechanisms of deja vu creates this scenario of complete embodiment, the gestalt, right? The whole thing has been lived, it's been experienced. It's as true as if it happened. And so for me, I wonder if there are also components of these kinds of experiences that we have, that a certain pathway, a certain groove, right. Gets activated and we're down that groove with all of the input, right. That exists around it. And in addition is. And for me as a scientist, a really unidentifiable component of. I've been here before. This is exactly it. And if I'm being. I don't want to say cynical, but if I'm being clinical about it, right. There are many aspects of this, and you know, we've talked about the telepathy tapes till we're blue in the face because there's a certain component of. What is that? For Jonathan might need absolutely no explanation. He doesn't want to hear that kind of analysis. And for me, I'm kind of all about what is. Is it. What is it with the capital I.

[C]

So my interpretation is it's a mix of deja vu, precognitive dream, and the healing loop, time travel therapy. I think that that your moment feeling that, oh my God, this is the knowing that's the deja vu moment. I do believe that you had that experience as a recurrent dream just because it was so strong to you that it was recurrent. If it was just one dream, I would be doubtful, but recurrent is different. And then that you had this healing, it actually calmed your anxiety and you said, okay, whoa, I'm looking at the quilt from the other side and this is going to be okay. And I can actually rest here and follow the instructions in the dream. What a gift. So that's this healing time loop, which I think is a fascinating. It's like compendium of all that we've been talking about. So that's beautiful.

[A]

I love that interpretation. And one of the things that was frustrating for me about the book was that I don't have any such interesting dreams. I have crazy dreams that I promise will never come true. Like there's not a future reality where any of these things are happening. There's a lot of like, trauma and violence, a lot of cognition separate from precognition. You know, I often will speak my non native tongue in my sleep, which is like. That's a large computation for me. You know, I'm not super Fluent in Spanish or Hebrew, but I will speak them in my dream. Like that's too much work for the brain. So I just don't have access, you know, to these kinds of things. So I'm very curious and I haven't tried, but I'm very curious to try some of the, you know, the techniques. Like you have a six step, you know, set of like it's an exercise that, you know, can start training this kind of component and, and I wonder if you can speak, you know, a little bit to what is it to try and hone these abilities, you know, is it getting in touch with intuition? Is it more than that? Is it less than that? And is. If this is a skill set that I can try and acquire, it would also make sense that there are certain brains that are born and gift gifted with this ability. So that when Jonathan says he like deeply knows something, he feels it in his body. And I'm like, I'm only thinking about things all day, every day. What is it like? It doesn't drop, like whatever that. The shortest distance, the longest emotional distance. I don't travel it. It just, I. It's like my neck is made to keep the feelings from coming, you know, to the thoughts. So can you talk a little bit about what this training is?

[B]

Maybe that's why your shoulders are so tight?

[C]

Well, okay, you say that. I'm just going to challenge your statement and work backwards. You say that, but you also host this podcast that like brings in spirituality and science, and spirituality is all about experience and the knowingness and that what we can't think about. But that ends up having a massive effect on who we are. And so I don't buy into it. I do believe, I mean, I do see that you're very cognitively focused.

[A]

Well, and even Jewish mysticism is very, very cognitive.

[C]

Oh my God, you can't read any of that stuff. The Zohar is like insane, right?

[A]

The best Kabbalistic texts are translated by a physicist, Aria Kaplan. So it's like very cognitive. Yeah, exactly.

[C]

And, and speaking of the Jewish. That's the other reason I don't buy it is as a. In the Jewish culture, we have this soul piece that doesn't go away. And that's the self transcendent sort of. There's something about that that has to do with love, that has to do with this golden thread, the self transcendence. I'm not saying only Jews have that, but I'm saying like you have that too. And that's what draws you to this work. So I'm just not buying the I'm ahead on a stick argument. Just not buying it. And then the other thing is, but people who do have so backing into your dream experience, people who do have like violent dreams or like thinky thinky dreams. I have thinky thinky dreams, especially when I'm working on a paper or something because I'm in that mode. Right? It really helps to just make yourself write down your dreams every morning, notebook by the bed. And if you don't have any dreams or you consider them not worth writing down, first of all, especially write down the ones that are not worth writing down, because that's bs. And third, write down I don't remember my dreams from last night yet. And then write about some other things. I've been feeling sad lately that blah blah blah. And I wonder about today. It seems super busy blah blah blah. Write down some other things and sometimes the dream will just pop in your head because now you're basically telling your brain, I'm going to be writing anyway.

[B]

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[C]

Yeah, State dependent memory. And so you're trying to get your brain to stay in that state or come back to that state by putting it everything down. Everything down, Everything down. And you're also teaching your brain this matters to you. My dreams matter to me. And so it's going to be more interested in reporting them if it matters to you. But the other thing I want to say is you said is that only intuition is expanding intuition. Is it more or less than intuition? And I think of intuition as an even bigger umbrella than precognition. Intuition includes expert intuition, like someone who's really good at something. You're an expert in neuroscience, you have expert intuition around that. Same with me, right? Jonathan, I don't know what your work was before this, but I bet you have expert intuition in that. What was your work?

[B]

Narrative, story, media.

[C]

Yes, clearly you have expert intuition in that because you slowed me down when we first slow your roll, Moss. And so we were like, like the expert. Intuition is part of intuition. Another part of intuition are all of these unconscious signals that we just don't even know about, but that are processed and that we use. Another part of intuition is precognition. Another part of intuition might be telepathy, telepathic signals that we're not conscious, we're getting. Another part of intuition could be clairvoyance, getting information just from the informational substrate of the universe. We're not, we might not be aware of it. Another kind of intuition is the intuition that you have when you're actually consciously processing things and then you feed them back to your unconscious mind and then they come out again as a surprise. So there's all these different kinds of intuition. And so if you're going to expand intuition, you can't lose because if you expand intuition, you're training everything. If you're not going to be say, oh, let's ignore psi abilities because they don't exist. If you just try to become more intuitive and you for instance, write down in a notebook all these intuitive hits you had, or you write down or you do exercises with other people, like let's see if I can tell you what might come out of your mouth or whatever it is, or fun games like I hear the phone ring and I don't have an individual ring for everyone. Who might this be? These kind of things are just letting yourself.

[A]

It's always my mother, right?

[C]

Well, you know, you're a Jew, so letting yourself play with these things, it really supports expanding your intuition without being biased about the source. The first question people used to ask me when I said, I'm a scientist, cognitive neuroscience, I study intuition, specifically the ability to predict future events and what that has to do with our well being and our sense of time. People go, oh, I've heard about that. Is everyone able to do that or only some people. What's the population distribution of the ability? That's the number one question I get. And then the second one is, can it be trained? And the population distribution, I explained to them, like music. So I say about 5% of people are absolutely tone deaf. Maybe make 10% are absolutely tone deaf, have horrible rhythm. About 5 to 10% are musical geniuses. And the rest, basically everyone can hum a tune or they can sing Happy Birthday. They may not like it, but they can do it. I think it's exactly the same situation with psychic abilities. Well, at least with precognition, I would say it's probably exactly the same. And the difference is that if your kid hums a tune or sings Happy Birthday, you don't go, oh, no, we have to send you to a psychologist, right? But if your kid goes, mommy, I dreamt last night that you were gonna fall down the hill. Don't go outside. And the mom does, you know, whatever, and goes outside and breaks her leg falling down the hill, you're like, oh, no, my kid needs to see a psychologist. Instead of like, oh, we have social norms and ways to support people who have this gift, right? So I think now that telepathy tapes has happened, people don't ask those questions. They say, does that have to do with what the kids in the telepathy tapes are doing? And I say, I think so. And I said, actually, the telepathy tapes people called me, and I've now been doing pro bono work. First I did some consulting work, and now I'm doing pro bono work as their human potential research lead for the film coming up. Because I think telepathy and precognition are very related. And it's all about this unconditional love piece. It's all about not having these boundaries between people that we impose. Just like precognition and being good at precognition is about not having these boundaries between times that we impose. And so unconditional love helps with all of it. In fact, I have data showing that unconditional love from two studies showing that unconditional love self reported unconditional love actually supports precognition. By what I mean by that is people who were first asked, they were given a definition of unconditional love and then asked, to what extent do you feel this way? And those who felt high on the unconditional love scale, that was their own report, then did a precognition task, the same task that people who felt low on the scale did. But the ones who felt high were actually statistically significantly more accurate and above chance.

[A]

They're vibrating at a Higher frequency. Right. I mean, that's the Right.

[C]

And they're dropping boundaries or they're seeing things from the other side of the quilt, in a way, maybe. So, yeah. So I think that answered some, if not all of those questions, but that's where I'm at.

[B]

So, summarizing.

[C]

Good luck.

[B]

What you're saying is that everyone has the ability to have precognitive events, Everyone has the ability to see the future and get messages about the future, and everyone has the ability to increase their intuitive ability.

[C]

I would say 5 to 10% of people don't, but I would say 90% of people do.

[B]

And this is kind of a nice circle to where we started. I think it's extra sensory ability. And you're describing them as. This is just part of our abilities with our current senses. We're just not utilizing them.

[C]

Yeah, it's like the information's coming in our current senses. If you include knowing as a sense, which is more cognitive, I think, but if you include that as a sense or as a thought pattern or as a conclusion, then I would say, yes, it's our existing abilities. It's just the information's coming from the future rather than the past.

[B]

I want to touch back, Julia, on what you were talking about in terms of our understanding of time, which is you said we don't understand that the past is not fixed and we think that the future is unknowable. Expand on that. How is the past not fixed?

[C]

It's not that I understand time either, but I'm just saying there's some wiggle room in this idea. In physics and in neuroscience and in psychology, there's wiggle room. So let me just reiterate that I'm one of the people on the planet, like everyone else, who doesn't understand time. But the wiggle room is when you start to look at the relationship between what is perceived and what we know from physics must be true. If you don't believe in physics, then this argument doesn't make any sense. But if you believe in physics, let's start with perception. What is perceived is we really only see or hear or feel the now. Right. So in the world of perception, it's all about the now. Right. There's no other time that we're actually immediately perceiving. We can have memories, but we're still perceiving in the now. Right. Or we could project ourselves forwards, but we're still, you know, I. I know I'm still talking with you. So the. The now takes incredible precedence in the world of perception. And even, you know, you stick an electrode in the brain and you're measuring responses to things that are happening now. They are tempered by things that happened in the past. At least based on my work, I would argue that they're also tempered by things that will happen in the future that you can't predict from the past. But having said that, you're measuring the response in the now. Okay, so there's so much priority on the now in perception and in psychology and in neuroscience. Okay. In fact, almost defining what consciousness is is about being present in the now. And altered states of consciousness affect what. Where you are in the now. And so that's really tied into that. Okay. Now go to physics and you find out because of relativity, particularly general relativity, that if someone's accelerating at a different rate than you, they're going to get essentially to the future faster or. And you'll be in their past, and still things are going on in your now. If you're a perceiving being and they're a perceiving being, and there things are going on in there now, which means things are changing, things are having cause and effect. Things are moving in the past and in the future because there's not one past and one future. So that's like the Mikovsky space time block world type thing. So the big question is, how are we, these beings, who have this privileged spot in our point of view and don't. It takes forever to figure out this is not actually representative of what's going on physically. And once you do figure it out, you kind of don't believe it, and then you can't figure out what the relationship is between this thing we're calling now and this whole space time block. Right. So that's the problem.

[B]

There's a lot in here. I'll earmark two areas to explore. First is that the past is not present, which I don't believe to be true. And we talk on the podcast about how we are interpreting the present so much through the past that it is actually very much present, and that the past is constantly with us to the point where it is actually obscuring the nature of our present reality.

[C]

I don't know that there is a present. Yeah, exactly. Like, what are you even talking about? If it's a perceived experience, the present, then we are never perceiving it.

[B]

And then the second point, which I don't fully understand is how can someone arrive at the future faster than someone else? But let's pause on that one for a second and just focus on the past being either present or with us. You know, the idea from a psychological standpoint, where people do child or parts work, where they go back and revisit a memory, they're going back and actually changing the meaning that they've made from a past experience, which will change how present that is, which will change how they are anticipating or making meaning of future events. Mime can speak to it more eloquently, but, you know, is that somewhat what we're talking about when we talk about, you know, the lack of there being a specific presence?

[C]

So now if we're talking about, like, internal family systems or if you extrapolate that to, like, time travel narratives, which is. Which is how at least my team extrapolates that idea, that kind of mental time travel, now we're talking about psychological uses of these constructs we build for ourselves in the past, present, and future, and how to relate to them and how they can help heal from trauma and stuff. Those are psychological constructs that may or may not have anything to do with the physics of time, but it has a lot to do with human psychology. It's not the same, but it's, I guess, related to trying to trace out what is the actual relationship between what we call now, which I think we all agree kind of maybe doesn't exist, and this physical concept of time, Especially given that people who are better physics interpreters than me, you know, keep agreeing that the future has to exist because someone could get there before us. So I think it's all really interesting.

[B]

Explain to us how someone would get to the future before someone else. Because in Marvel movies, there are multiple timelines, and people like the idea of the multiverse and that things are happening in parallel universes and there's multiple versions of us. That's not what we're talking about. How would someone progress in time faster

[C]

if someone's accelerating faster than you? And by faster than you? No one on the planet is really getting to the future faster than anyone else, because you have to go pretty close to the speed of light before it's even noticeable. Right? But the fact that. So basically no one on the. On the planet is. No human being on the planet is traveling close to the speed of light. Even someone who's just accelerating at a faster rate than your acceleration is essentially technically getting to the future faster than you.

[B]

What does it mean to accelerate faster than someone else?

[A]

It's like a physics conversation about, like, velocity is mass times acceleration, and it's how fast you move from one location to another. So it's not just speed.

[C]

Yeah. So speed is your rate of travel. Acceleration is like the second derivative. So the acceleration is the rate of your rate of travel. So I'm going at first a mile an hour, and then the next minute, because I'm starting up my car, I go two miles an hour, and then a minute that's a really slow car. The next minute I'm going three miles an hour because I'm putting along in a golf cart, apparently. So that's. That's acceleration. And acceleration has a lot to do. Acceleration and gravity, according to general relativity, are essentially the same thing. They're different expressions of the same thing, and they bend time. So the cool illustration of that from, like, I think, nova in the 70s, which is when I was a kid watching Nova, which was this cool TV show on PBS about science, was that you'd have this curved surface, like a fabric, like the fabric of space time. It was like a literal fabric. And in the center would be a mass, like a ball. Like a ball bearing. And it would show how that would curve the fabric from its mass. Right. And so the ball bearing would make the space time curve. Doesn't just curve space, it curves time. And so as a result, this is why Minkowski comes after Einstein and sort of looks at what he's doing and says, well, gosh, this would mean that the future already has to exist in what we call the now. Because someone's accelerating faster than us. They could get there. They can't just be blank. Just like we can't be blank here in the past as soon as someone else gets to their future. Because then people would be popping in and out of existence, and things would be popping in and out of existence all the time. And that's not what we see. And that's where the idea of the block universe comes from, which is block universe is like a loaf of bread. And each slice of the bread, it's sliced bread. Each slice of the bread is like a section of space time, and nothing kind of changes until you get to the next slice. So it's like a snapshot of reality. So some person who's accelerating fast might be further down the bread slices than us. So there kind of has to be a loaf, because there's no point at which we understand that you might fall off, except maybe around a black hole or something. Or, like, maybe that's what dark energy is or whatever. So, like, these weird sort of boundary conditions that we don't understand. Well, so this is how we get to multiverses, because People really, really, really don't like the idea. My interpretation of why multiverses exist is people really, really, really don't like the idea of, well, everything else all decided right, the future predestination. The future is already essentially what they call super determined. And that is one interpretation of this idea of the bread slices in the Minkowski sort of block world of the space time. There are other possible ways to think about it, but one way people have handled it is to say, well, what if that's true for one timeline, but in another timeline, other things are true? And what differentiates the timelines is what kind of choices you make. So if you make a choice to go through the left door in timeline A and the right door in timeline B, your whole future opens up in a different way. Because when you went through the left, you met so and so, and they changed your life. When you went through the right, you got in a car crash and that changed your life too. And so those are two different timelines. And that comes straight from a physics explanation from a guy named Everett who talked about this many worlds hypothesis. Maybe there are many worlds. Yes, there's these space times, but they're sort of split off by choice. And so you can kind of have your cake and eat it too. Well, maybe so, right? So I'm not partial to that explanation because I find it super messy. And, and just that's a lot of splitting off because you make a choice with every breath you take and even every portion of every breath. But, but also, you know, the universe could be messy. We don't really understand it.

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[C]

And this comes to a spiritual sort of aesthetic notion that one of the things that is true about being in a body is that those decisions are made for you. I mean, part of the deal is that we have to kind of, I think, get over ourselves. And the fact that this is what's true, at least in this reality, at least on this timeline, this is what we're working with. And while you could get really focused on, and I think sometimes people do get really focused on this idea of all these other possibilities and, and how can I control it? And if I control it the right way, maybe I go into this like manifestation of da da da da and it can become almost a fetish of control. And it feels to me like that's the not learning of what we are here to learn, which is, here's your body. Now let's see what happens.

[A]

Well, I mean, I think there's an entire industry, there's an entire consciousness, if you will, with a lowercase C, you know, surrounding. We are not confined to this body. We can access other states of consciousness. And obviously people who have psychedelic experiences are tapping into that. People who have near death experiences are tapping into that. And as a neuroscientist, I love to explain the chemistry of what's happening and the release of this, that and the other. But there's, there's definitely a knowing that some people are experiencing on a level that is not confined, let's say, to this body.

[C]

I am so glad you said that because it never occurred to me that anything I would ever say in my lifetime would make people think I was a materialist. So let me be clear. I don't. I consider all of those things having to do with the body and not the body, but who you are. This idea of controlling sort of I won the lottery because I controlled the choices that I made. And in this timeline, I won the lottery with. My skill at manifesting is questionable to me as like a spiritual path. And it's questionable scientifically as well, because it feels like it's about ego, like, look what I did, look what I can do, look what I can control. When it feels like all the journeying people do in psychedelics with people who have had near death experiences, people who go into prayer for long periods of time or meditation, people have out of body experiences, people who work on psi like I do and try to train people to get better with their psi like I do. It seems to be very much about not the ego, not look at how I controlled, but more like how can I become skillful using my body as a tool as well as this larger consciousness. Consciousness with a capital C. How can I become skilled at making things better, which usually involves love, which usually involves connection, which usually involves active compassion. And so absolutely not a materialist. I'm not saying you're stuck with your body and you can't get out of it. I'm saying your body is this tool to learn how to not be controlled by your ego and your desire for power.

[A]

We recently had a neurosurgeon, a neuroscientist on Dr. Jundial. He recently wrote a book on dreams. And we were talking about nightmares. And you know, one of his kind of strongest pieces of evidence regarding nightmares was that you have to tell children that was A nightmare, right. Like what you just experienced in this other state of your consciousness when you were night night, that was called a nightmare. Right? That's not real. The conversation that you're having though, kind of takes away our ability to say that was just a dream, it's not real. The potential for opening up a conversation about non nightmares being in some ways real. Right. And whatever realness we can get no kind of label them with. But what about nightmares? You know, there are people for whom we don't want to remember our dreams. They're horrible. And obviously that's a reflection of a lot of other things. I'm not saying that I'm, you know, I mean, for me, if that's my precognitive view, we're all screwed. Like end of days.

[C]

I don't think so.

[A]

Like, you know, if you've seen Lord of the Rings, like it's Mordor, like everything's on fire. What is it with nightmares in terms of precognition?

[C]

One of the studies that I think is most underappreciated in this area is a. A woman who did her dissertation in psychology on just interviewing people who consistently just say they report precognitive dreams. She's like, I'm not going to worry about whether it's real or not or whether you wrote a down or not. You just report it. I want to know about your personality, etc. And also tell me about the dreams. And she, she did a phenomenological separation of dreams that were just their own dreams that were not precognitive versus their dreams that were precognitive. Because there is this question of if you're precognizing future events, like is it constantly having nightmares? My experience as someone who precognizes in dreams fairly regularly and sometimes there are very negative events matched what I read in that, in that dissertation. And what I mean by that is my experience, I'll tell you my experience. And then what is in that dissertation? My experience is that if I'm dreaming about a future event that's bad, it doesn't come off as a nightmare. It comes off almost as a matter of fact. Newsreel like, okay, so this bombing and here's the location. And I'm like, ugh, this sucks. And it's like, yeah, this sucks. And this is what, you know, this is what's gonna happen and this is what you can do about it. It's just like very like, here's the situation, here's the information.

[A]

Have you had those?

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

What do you mean. Oh, yeah. Wait, hold on.

[C]

That's why I'm so interested in this stuff. Right.

[A]

So you've had. You've had dreams of, like, bad things that happened.

[C]

Yeah, and I've had nightmares. I had more nightmares than dreams of bad things that happened because I've had many dreams of good things that have happened. But with the bad things that happened, they're so different than nightmares, which I wake up feeling afraid, adrenalized afraid. Those are psychological fear dreams. Those are like, I'm afraid of this part of my psyche. I'm afraid of this person. I'm afraid of what might happen. Those are very different from precognitive dreams. And that's what was found in the dissertation too. The women would talk about. When I'm precognizing something that's going to happen, it's matter of fact, I don't wake up afraid. I wake up going, I got to write this down and see if there's something I could do about it, period. Like, this is a message. I'm receiving the message. That's the deal. Like, for instance, Jonathan, in your recurrent dream, were you afraid? What was your feeling about it? No, it was just like facts, right?

[B]

Yeah, it was just facts. And there was. There was some relief when we got to. Out of the car. There was. There was like a. A tension in the car, and often we were in conflict. So there was. I think it was bleeding over into dream. And then, you know, there was tension in the car, similar to waking life. And then we got out of the car and then there was a bit of like a hesitant relaxation. Like it wasn't like, everything is great, but it was like, oh, it's not as tense as it was in the car.

[C]

Yeah, right. So like my. I'll tell you my dream that is most known about, most public, because I was asked to be on the unexplained as an experiencer of precognition. And they didn't talk to me as an expert on precognition, basically, people. That's why I tend not to talk about these in the same conversation. Because people, if you're a scientist who studies precognition, they get freaked out if you also have precognitions because then they think you're biased. But I'm sort of like, if I were a ethnomusicologist and I was like, didn't know how to play, like at least one musical instrument, that would be really weird. Right? So I sort of feel like that's just strange. I can actually be unbiased and do controlled research and still have experiences. And I don't know if any of them were precognitive because it's not controlled experiment. But they. But the experience that I had of this dream was the night before, and this was devastating because I couldn't do anything about it. But the night before the Kuwait City, Kuwait bombing in the mosque during noontime prayers. I don't know if you remember that. It was July, maybe 16th of a couple years ago. I don't quite remember the date. So it was shown to me. I had a guide. Sometimes I have a guide in these precognitive dreams that sort of like the newscaster who says, this is what's happening. And just the bombing in this mosque, that was partly outdoors, partly indoors. It was. It was in the dream. It was an. It was. I could see it was noon because of the position of the sun in the sky. I could see it was during prayers because of the bodies where they were on their knees on rugs. And the dreamer person said it was in Kyuk Keuk, Kyuk Keuk. And I'm like, where's Kyuk? And I write it and I wake up and Kyuk, Kyuk. Well, of course, later I knew something would happen, but I didn't know where Kyuk was. It sounded like an Inuit word. I was thinking Alaska, but, like, how many mosques are open air and noon in Alaska? Like, zero. And so I'm like, that's not right. But there's nothing I could do about it. And I felt like alone in the information. I felt hopeless. But I also knew it would happen. And then later in that day, I saw Kuwait City, Kuwait, which the initials would be kick. Kick. And in the dream, though, I took the advantage the moment. And I asked. I took advantage of the moment and I asked the guide, why is this? I was. I had. He gave me a quiver with arrows in it. I said, why is this dream, one of the arrows, why should that be in my quiver? Like, first of all, I'm Jewish. Second of all, I don't know these people, like, and I can't do anything about it. And his answer was, you get born with the arrows in your quiver, you got no choice. That's the situation. Those are the arrows in your quiver. It's impossible for me to explain to

[B]

you the relationship, because that is a question, is like, why have this information? What good does it do to serve you this piece of knowledge when you can't influence it? Is it merely so that you'll talk about it and prove that consciousness is not the limited material experience that many people believe. Like, what's. What's the point?

[C]

Maybe my husband calls it a free sample. Maybe it's a free sample. Maybe it's to make me have the feeling I had after that. That was my very first dream of a bad world event that was so clear that I was convinced, like, okay, I didn't know what to do about. So it did make me say after that, if something like this happens again, I'm gonna. I don't care how foolish I feel. I'm gonna call some kind of an authority and. And tell them about it. And so I had another dream like that. I did call an authority. Anti terrorism task force guy in San Diego, who I ended up working with after that on various projects because he ended up acting on some of the information. I can't really go into detail, but it was. I. He wasn't paying me or anything. It was just experimental work together to try to see what we could do with the kind of information that would come. So maybe it was to avoid things that I don't even know about.

[A]

Well, and I don't mean to. I don't mean to answer for you, but my answer would be that's not how it works. Meaning if you have an opening, if you have this ability, it's out there. There's not necessarily, you know, it's a very kind of, you know, it's a very bottom up, you know, kind of approach to say, like, what power in the universe would tell Julia this, but she can't do anything about it. That's not how the universe works. It's information, and it's open to certain people. And it, it's not something like, why is she burdened with it? It's about her larger ability, maybe.

[C]

And maybe there is. Maybe the universe is very personal. I mean, so I, I keep. I go back and forth all the time on this. I totally agree with what you just said. And also, it sometimes feels like, no, it's a plan. It's just I don't get to know that, like, the plan looks like chaos. The plan looks like happenstance. The plan looks like not a plan to us. So it might as well be about them up universe to us.

[B]

And to confirm there are anti terrorism task forces utilizing this information to try and prevent incidences in real life, I

[C]

would say that is in the past. My colleague has since retired, and I don't think I was the only one. But I could only speak to, you know, what I know There should, there should be.

[B]

Let's just say that I think it's very interesting because you know, we know of the military use of remote viewing and the program. So to think that why wouldn't it be used for anti terrorism task forces. They're also trying to get that same level of intelligence. And if the future is knowable and people are getting these clues, you know, I think the risk is obviously false positives and the resources required to find out what's going to happen and you know, how chase down all these leads. But if there are people who are more accurate in getting information, then of

[C]

course, yes, I've always wanted to make like a 4D map of that, like a Google map. But if that includes the future and, and the sort of color of an area would be rated on like skilled psychic, vetted psychics who have been right in the past and their intuitions about that particular area. So that you could say, I'm going to travel to Greece in this time and wait, it's red two weeks from now. That's interesting. You know, that would be really cool. So it does seem like the only risk is, you know, false alarms, but that's not necessarily the case. There could be a couple other risks and I think that's why you don't hear about this a lot. So one other risk is you, you train a group of people to do this and then they think they're amazing and they go off on their own and like join an adversary or something. Right. So that's a risk. Another risk is we don't understand the space time continuum and we don't understand conservation of information. And could it be that if you get some amount of information from the future now you have less amount of information somewhere else that you can get? Maybe there's a conservation thing. Maybe by looking at something you can cause it to happen. Maybe if you looked at something erroneously and saw something that wasn't going to happen. Now it actually shifts things so that it does happen because you imagined it into being because you were in that state. So it feels like there shouldn't be any problem with it. It feels just like it's just taking a video camera and looking at something. But there's these follow on concerns that anyone who starts realizing how real this is can start to have. And so I think it has to be done super carefully and conscientiously. And if it's not being done that way, I think that could lead to some trouble.

[B]

I mean these are fascinating concerns and anyone who, when you talk about Seeing the potential future. They say, well, is it real future or is it potential future? And where does human agency come in to the mix? How much is predetermined?

[C]

Amen.

[A]

Kind of want to ask a big question. And it does tie into telepathy tapes. And it ties into, I think, everything we've spoken about. What is death? What do you view death as? Just a quick answer, an easy one. No, But I'm asking for you to put it in the framework of what we're talking about in terms of a future, in terms of a consciousness. What is your kind of understanding of what happens in that next iteration of our existence?

[C]

Okay, here's my deal. This is my aesthetic understanding, not based on science. And then I'll tell you the portion that's based on science. But most of it is just what makes me happy to think it's how it works and what feels like a good art piece. If the universe was an art piece. I'm 100 sure that the body dies in that the body stop stops. All the traces of life stop in death. So, like, that part feels scientifically clear. I'd say I'm 90 sure that there's something that doesn't die that's associated with the person. I would not be like 90 sure. And that's based on near death experiences. And it's based on mediumship, like good medium controlled mediumship studies. What I imagine is happening is at the moment of death, when people are having that life review that they talk about, they're actually present throughout the space time continuum and available for an infinite amount of time for connection with people they love. So they're still present, like in that bread box or in that loaf of bread. They're still present in each of those slices. Those slices become the now for them. So the life review is easy. You're really in it. Those things are really there. Like you're really real. And so when people are connecting with their loved ones after their loved ones died, what they're connecting with is that presence that was able to be in all of those times at once. And that is not a human thing that say, that's the thing that came into the human. That's like a soul. And so I would call that thing that's able to be in this whole loaf of bread, the soul. The continuous sort of necklace on which each event of life exists. And this necklace that strings them all together. It's not about memory, it's about reality. These things really happened when I was in the body. And this really became they all happened to this body that was connected to this soul at some point. The soul then continues on without being connected to that body. In the same way, I would suggest that during life, the soul wasn't always connected to the body. Like people go traveling. I think skilled dreamers, maybe you may go traveling into other people's bodies at night and have different experiences. And so I think that's not so different. And so now it's around and it could maybe come into another baby. It could go into a tree. I think it could go into the non space time continuum and go outside of space time. So not in this 3D or 4D reality. It could go back to the informational substrate. And I kind of like to think of it like when we think about bodhisattvas who choose to come back and then those who don't, who just get to graduate and like, never have to come back. And aren't they lucky? I think of them as their souls going into the soup, like the informational substrate. And like a little piece of them is a potato and a little piece is a carrot and someone else gets a scoop of soup into their body. And now you got a little bit of John F. Kennedy and a little bit of whomever.

[A]

I'd like a little bit of John F. Kennedy, Jr.

[C]

Please.

[A]

But.

[C]

But that's the aesthetic thing. And I hope I didn't freak you out by talking about going into other people's bodies when you dream, but the fact that you're speaking Hebrew, I. My question for you is, is always going to be, are you yourself all the time when you're dreaming?

[A]

I mean, sometimes I wonder if I'm myself when I'm not dreaming.

[C]

That's also a good point.

[A]

I was gonna ask. I mean, even separate from your connection to Kai and the Telepathy tapes, I'm curious, you know, in the telepathy tapes, when I'm gonna say supposedly, because in my opinion, in my very, very gentle and loving and supportive opinion, none of that information really was kind of codified or, you know, there's not really a way to sort of quantify, oh, it's a podcast.

[C]

You can't really do science on a podcast.

[A]

Right. Okay, thank you. So. So when people report, you know, that there is this place, this hill, right, where everything kind of is existing, you know, is it possible that that's exactly the kind of place we're talking about, right? The place where all souls exist right? Throughout time and space?

[C]

You know, maybe, maybe. Although I do get the impression that non speakers have Their own place where, like, non speakers go to talk with each other. Like, it seems like a special place for them to. To. Because they have such different experience than speakers. Right. So maybe there's a place like that, but there's different subsets of the hill for people with different experiences. It reminds me a lot of. I mean, the Jews have a hill, right? We have Mount Sinai. And it reminds. I converted to Judaism, and when I

[A]

converted, I was told, welcome, we're a real hoot.

[C]

Yeah, I know. Someone told me, thanks for converting. We need the height, because I'm six feet tall. So anyway, But. But the rabbis were telling me. So now that you've converted, you were always at Mount Sinai.

[A]

Correct.

[C]

And so that is an example of exactly what we're talking about.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Your soul was always at Mount Sinai. So it was always known that I would convert.

[A]

It's funny, because, you know, there's certain mystical concepts that, you know, I. I was not necessarily raised with, but when I, you know, took on more observance and started studying and. Yeah, started studying the mystical texts, but also the traditional texts, like, you know, that's something that people always point to, like, well, religion is crazy. It believes all these crazy things. And believe me, I'm the first to be like, yeah, like, I don't believe donkeys talk. And there's all sorts of metaphor, you know, throughout the Old Testament. You know, one of my interests in Christianity is the literalism with which it's been interpreted. You know, And Brian Murarescu talks about this, and we talked about it with him anyway. But, yeah, that notion that, like, we collectively existed somewhere is such a vast mystical notion that we're very uncomfortable, you know, kind of talking about in a material sense. But, you know, it's completely a comforting thing and, you know, part of a liturgy.

[C]

It is. And it's just. It's just for Jews, kind of like the non speakers hill is just for non speakers. And. And so it's like, it's not about segregation. It's more like to have this special place. If you're gonna be a Jew and go through all of that, it's good to have a special place.

[A]

Yeah. And every culture has its own narrative. But it's. It is very interesting that that is, you know, a specific mystical component of ours. You were there too, Jonathan.

[B]

Do we want to just touch briefly on what it means to travel into someone else's body while we're dreaming and not just, like, communicate with other people?

[C]

Yeah, sure. I mean, I. I'm not saying that that's scientific. Like, it's very hard to scientifically test that. I'm just saying that it's interesting to me that I, and other people I know have other people I've talked to about dreams have had this experience of sometimes I'm myself and I have my own history and I'm like, oh, there's my partner over there. And it's a dream about like things I know from this life. And sometimes I appear to be someone else with a whole different back history, a whole different set of friends. Like, you'll see a friend and in the dream that person was a good friend, but you don't know that when you wake up you're like, I don't know that person. That person was a good friend in the dream, you know, so. So that could just be the brain trying on different roles and. Absolutely. Very interesting way to do role playing and modeling of relationship. Or it could be, you know, consciousness separating from the body or the soul separating from the body, going into someone else's body and trying that on for size and seeing what that's like.

[A]

You mean like in a dream where you're like, it was me, but it wasn't me, right?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's always first person. But then like the history could be really different and the desires or way of doing things could be really different. So I think we just don't know. If you, if you don't assume that consciousness has to be tied to your brain all the time, then these opportunities open up also for, I mean, speaking of telepathy tapes, also for understanding autism, for understanding a lot of the dementias. You know, could it be that consciousness is spending more time out of the body? You know, and there's some evidence from people who do weird things like hunt ghosts, that some ghosts are from living people who are in states of dementia where they're just not conscious a lot of the time.

[A]

If anyone asks me what it was like to talk to you, every time you open your mouth, like a dozen amazing things come out that I want to do a separate two hour conversation with you about.

[B]

Next episode,

[A]

the Ghost of Dementia. Like what?

[B]

Send their soul to become ghosts?

[A]

Well, the book, the Premonition Code. I highly recommend the Science of Precognition. I really, really loved it. And I'm excited to try some of the exercises and see if I can figure out not only whose body I'm traveling into when I dream, but whose body I'm in when I'm awake. Julia Mossbridge. Such a, such a pleasure to talk to you. And we wish you only good things. And thank you so much for being here.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

I feel a little like I need a nap after talking to Dr. Mossbridge. There's not a thing that she can't talk about that doesn't make it sound like, amazing, cool, fascinating, weird, like spiritual, but also scientific. I mean, I wish she had done the telepathy tapes.

[B]

I'm afraid for you to go to sleep because I don't know whose body you're going to end up in.

[A]

I mean, look, speaking my non native tongue, I didn't think of it as inhabiting a different body, but it certainly feels like inhabiting a different consciousness. It's a consciousness that doesn't even speak the language that I was raised to speak.

[B]

This never really occurred to me, but I have had dreams where it feels like I'm a slightly different version of myself.

[A]

Yeah. Like it was me, but it wasn't me. Or it was like it was a man, but I'm certain it was me

[B]

that I've never had. I don't want to make it weird, Right?

[C]

What?

[A]

You could. You can. I'm sure you've had dreams where you're like, I'm an elephant. That's normal. But it's me.

[B]

I like the idea of accessing more information though, right? It's like starting to write down your dream and saying, I haven't dreamt it yet.

[A]

Well, I. Right. I mean. Or I don't remember my dreams yet. It's kind of like she's sort of like the love child between Thomas Campbell and Bruce Lipton. Like Buddha? No, because there's this like, notion of, like, love as the literal frequency that, you know, kind of like really for everything we talked about. That's like her overarching principle. Like, she's not a person you can really talk to in one episode. Like, I don't even understand. Like, she's her own universe. And this book is really, really great. But like, it doesn't even scratch the surface of the things that she can talk about, understand and contemplate. She's six feet tall. That's pretty cool.

[B]

Maybe over on Substack, where the Breaker community is deep diving into all the episodes and we're doing practices. Let's start a dream practice where people start a dream journal and they say if they haven't remembered their dream, I haven't remembered it yet. And see if we can increase the psychic ability of the entire Breaker community. So if you want to be a part of it, come over, join Us on Substack.

[A]

It's funny, I don't consider this a premonition. It's not precognition, but. And by the time people hear this, this will be months past. I was thinking we were trying to think of a live to do, like, a new live to do for Substack. And I had this real pull that we're supposed to do alive about God. And I was like, that's weird because, like, I don't know, it's not something we normally take. Talk about, right? I was like, what's the take? But then after this episode today, I'm like, I. I think that might be kind of an opening in terms of, like, love and that frequency and what people experience when they have near death experiences or when they have, you know, psychedelic experiences or when they, like, meet God on an acid trip. Like, I don't know. I think there's something there. And there's also several Black Mirror episodes I'm thinking of about it. That should be a bingo game. Which Black Mirror episode do we reference?

[B]

I'm speechless. I. I'm overwhelmed. I. I could really. We could go on. And what's going to happen is that this is going to marinate a little bit. And once it marinates, you and I are going to get on a live and we're going to have so many more, like, thoughts about this because there's really, there's endless ideas to tackle and they overlap with so many of our other podcasts. Thomas Campbell. Yes, but Elizabeth Crone, when she said that reality and time was like a layer cake that you could slice into it. She talks about the loaf of bread. I think we should pause here. Let's pause here. Let's continue the conversation on Substack. This was great.

[A]

From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.

[B]

It's Maya Bialik's breakdown. She's gonna break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience PhD or two, non fiction. And now she's gonna break down. So break down. She's gonna break it down.