PART TWO: Spiritual Awakening Changed Lee Harris’ Life: How to Higher Consciousness

Summary

Mayim Bialik’s Breakdown
Episode: PART TWO: Spiritual Awakening Changed Lee Harris’ Life: How to Higher Consciousness
Release Date: August 20, 2025
Guest: Lee Harris (energy intuitive, author, channeler of “the Z’s”)

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Episode Overview

In this second half of Mayim Bialik and Jonathan Cohen’s fascinating exploration with channeler and author Lee Harris, the conversation weaves together spirituality, mental health, the nature of healing, the persecution and role of healers, the rise in planetary consciousness (and darkness), and the mechanics and ethics of channeled information. Lee details his channeling process, responds to skepticism, addresses current events, and offers grounded advice to spiritual seekers—all while revealing a deeply human, humble approach to metaphysical phenomena.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Mechanics and Experience of Channeling

• On Channeling with Closed Eyes:

  • Lee explains he closes his eyes during channeling for comfort and to avoid distraction, both for him and for the group (03:34).
    • “If someone's looking at me…they’re thinking that I'm the thing they're supposed to be attaining. And actually, that's not true. I'm a person who is putting something out into the room or bringing something through me that is designed to help them find themselves.” — Lee Harris (03:54)

• Endurance & Recovery:

  • Channeling is physically demanding. For his book “The Future Human” (with Regina Meredith), Lee channeled for up to three hours a day and needed two weeks to fully recover (04:44–05:23).

• The Z’s—Who Are They?

  • The Z’s began as distinct presences (Zachary, Ziadora, Zafariah), but merged into one unified voice for clarity and unity in 2013 (05:55).
  • These entities have varying roles—engineers, angels, “admin”—not just the “podium” speakers (06:15).

• Sensation and Personality Differences:

  • Each entity or aspect brings a different internal sensation; for example, channeling Ziadora felt especially peaceful and feminine (07:58).
  • Now Lee experiences the Z’s as a group, with their voice coming through as a “slightly faster version of my own [more British] voice” (08:54).

How Channeling “Works” with Individuals

• Do Channelers Talk to Your Guides?

  • Jonathan draws an analogy between guide communication and AI “agents,” suggesting Lee’s guides (the Z’s) gather information from a client’s guides, acting as intermediaries (09:50–11:31).
  • Lee distinguishes being “intuitive” (sensing and relaying feelings or information) from full channeling (consciously stepping aside so the Z’s use his voice) (11:48–13:13).

• Permission & Openness:

  • Channeling is a reciprocal, energetic exchange. Skepticism or resistance affects efficacy—openness (even rooted in hope or belief) is crucial (13:52).
    • “Just like when you go to kiss someone and they don't want to be kissed, right. You can sometimes tell from across the room this isn't going to happen.” — Mayim Bialik (14:53)

• Placebo, Belief, and Healing:

  • The biology of belief: Mayim ties in scientific evidence (placebo, Dr. Amir Raz’s research) showing belief and openness directly change physiology, making spiritual practices and healing more accessible and effective (15:10–16:12).

The Persecution and Role of Healers

• Historic Persecution:
  • Lee discusses the persecution of healers, targeting especially women (witch trials), as power struggled to centralize around religion and medicine (18:48–22:38).
    • “So to me, this is such an ancient history…You can't stop people tapping into spirit. So death is a great opener for people.” — Lee Harris (18:48)
    • “Your worst enemy is a healing force in your life, even though you don't like it. Our friends and our loved ones will help us heal when we're going through something.” — Lee Harris (21:44)
  • He emphasizes that true healing is never about the channeler being “special”—we’re all capable of healing and connection.

The Surprising & Validating Aspects of Channeling

• Accuracy and Uncanniness:
  • Channelers align with their own wiring—Lee, not being scientific, doesn’t channel technical information, but occasionally receives unexpected insights later proven true or encountered elsewhere (23:50).

Addressing Current Events & Dark Energy

• On the Epstein Scandal and World Events:

  • The Z’s describe high-profile scandals (like Epstein) as “smokescreens”—true, but used to distract from deeper issues and systemic control (25:24–25:55).

    • “There is truth in it and it is being used to divert your attention away from other things. There is truth in the story…and it will take us down a tunnel that will reveal a lot more.” — The Z’s via Lee (25:29)

  • The Z’s focus on “control” by a shadowy minority, and a concurrent rise in both planetary consciousness and darkness:

    • “There's a frequency battle going on between those two poles. And the question is how bad does it have to get before it gets better? And they say that that's very much up to how we as a humanity play it.” — Lee Harris (based on Z’s, 26:05–27:56)
    • The COVID pandemic (2020) marked a planetary wake-up—a cycle not yet concluded (32:10–33:18).

• How Does Lee’s Personal Opinion Differ from the Channeling?

  • Mayim presses Lee on whether he distinguishes between his own perspective and the Z’s (28:05–28:49). Lee admits his own opinions are colored by years of channeling and exposure—sometimes what once seemed “sci-fi” now appears on the news (29:26).

• On “Dark” Technology and Societal Change

  • Discussion of controversial tech (e.g., neural implants in children) that once sounded like conspiracy now has mainstream echoes (30:39–31:46).

Does Lee Talk to Dead People?

• Mediumship:
  • Sometimes, but not by design, and only for clients. The messages are more validating and comforting than revelatory; Lee rejects the myth that the deceased universally "just want to chat" (33:18).

Lee on His Purpose, Relationships, and Advice

• Life Purpose via Channeling:

  • Lee sees his role as making spirituality grounded, accessible, and safe—being “spirituality rehab” for some (34:09).
    • “I think my own philosophy of life is I’m a human being having a spiritual experience…And what I hear from people is…they like that I’m relatable and spiritual.” — Lee Harris (34:09–35:29)

• Romantic Relationships:

  • Lee is currently single after a divorce and prefers relationships where his work is not the focus. He values balance—“I need the balance” outside spiritual conversations (35:29–37:11).

• Who Seeks Channeling?

  • Sensitives, empaths, people already open to metaphysical ideas, fellow healers. Some come for self-insight, others for ongoing support (40:43–41:44).

• Advice for Spiritual Seekers:

  • Know your motivations, tend to both your pain and your curiosity. Spiritual growth and healing work best when integrated (not used to “outrun” pain).
    • “Trust yourself, which can be a very hard thing to say…but there is a tendency, because we think we don’t know anything about spirituality, we’ll believe anybody…the answer is not linear, rigid, and in a box.” — Lee Harris (42:22–45:00)
    • Emphasizes self-awareness, skepticism of rigid “rules,” and the centrality of personal experience.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Channeling and Embarrassment:
  “But this is the gift of channeling. It helps you get over yourself.” — Lee Harris (07:48)

• On Channeling Female Energies:
  “It was an embodied experience of deep, feminine, strong energy…very wide from my heart.” — Lee Harris on Ziadora (07:58)

• On Sensing Skepticism:
  “If you come in here with your arms crossed…you’re not, you’re not going to receive it. Not because you get some award for being a skeptic.” — Mayim Bialik (13:52)

• On Placebo and Belief:
  “Belief is incredibly important…It changes our brains, changes our physiology.” — Mayim Bialik (16:12)

• On Psychic Work and Therapeutic Healing:
  “It’s not just the skill of the therapist that’s going to be the healing for you. It’s going to be that another human helps you put yourself back together.” — The Z’s via Lee Harris (18:48)

• On the Risk and History of Persecution:
  “We know the witch trials got rid of really powerful, brilliant women who weren’t allowed to be in power…You're just going to have to do some work on the part of you that is nervous every time you want to step forward.” — Lee Harris (21:44)

• On the Z's Insight into Current Events:
  “There is truth in it and it is being used to divert your attention away from other things.” — The Z’s via Lee Harris, on Epstein scandal (25:29)

• On Spirituality and Self-Growth:
  “You have to go into it knowing this is going to be a big playing field. This might take me a lot of time, but…if I’m honest with myself about my basis…I'm Self growth and spirituality. I’m both. And for me, that's the balance point.” — Lee Harris (42:22–45:00)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 03:34 – Lee on closed-eye channeling, energy boundaries
• 04:44 – Physical effects and recovery post-channeling/the writing process
• 05:55 – The Z’s: origins, development into a group entity
• 07:06–07:58 – Experiencing channeling as different energies
• 13:52–16:12 – Belief, placebo effect, and the science of openness
• 18:48–21:44 – Persecution of healers, the “witch wound,” lessons from history
• 23:50 – How surprising or “verifiable” are the Z’s messages?
• 25:29–27:56 – Current events, dark energy, and planetary “control”
• 33:18 – On talking to the dead, mediumship boundaries
• 34:09 – Lee’s purpose: making spirituality grounded and safe
• 40:43 – Who seeks out Lee’s work and why
• 42:22–45:00 – Advice for seekers: motivation, self-trust, skepticism of rules
• 47:58 – Mayim’s changed impression: moving from skepticism to belief in Lee’s authenticity

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Tone and Final Reflections

The episode maintains a deeply respectful, witty, and curious tone—Mayim and Jonathan approach Lee’s experiences with both open-minded skepticism and scientific rigor, always seeking points where inner transformation and outer evidence connect. Lee’s groundedness—a “relatable spirituality”—is a touchstone of the discussion, making metaphysical claims accessible and non-dogmatic.

Mayim’s closing reflection encapsulates the episode’s spirit:

“I just thought he’s a guy who’s making it up and he’s having some delusional experience. I do not believe that anymore.” — Mayim Bialik (46:35)

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Further Resources

• Lee Harris: leeharrisenergy.com
• Mayim Bialik’s Breakdown: bialikbreakdown.substack.com for exclusive content

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This summary covers the full conversation, skipping ad breaks and focusing entirely on substantial content and insights provided by the hosts and Lee Harris.

Transcript

[Jonathan Cohen]

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[Jonathan Cohen]

I'm Jonathan Cohen and welcome to part

[Mayim Bialik]

two of our conversation with Lee Harris. Lee Harris is the author of the Future Human New Ways of Living and Being on Earth. He is an energy intuitive and a channeler. He leads a vibrant online community, reaches one million people every month. Please listen to part one of our conversation with Lee Harris where we literally ask him how did he come about a spiritual awakening that allows him to channel information from guides. It's a fascinating story and in part two we're gonna talk about some of the more practical aspects of what it's like to be a channeler.

[Jonathan Cohen]

He also talks about the persecution of healers throughout time and what people are facing now. Also the rise of consciousness and the Battle really for good and evil. The dark energy that he describes looking to have control over the planet. We actually get a little bit more specific and also how 2020 was a wake up call for many people. And as well, we get into current events, we talk about what's going on right now is in the. In the news cycle, how we can better understand it.

[Mayim Bialik]

And we also ask questions like, do you talk to dead people? What are you like in a relationship? And what do people most commonly seek out channelers for? We hope you enjoy part two of our conversation with Lee Harris and make sure you're following us on Substack because there are exclusive aspects of this conversation that you can't find anywhere else. And please go over to bialikbreakdown.substack.com and. And here is part two of our conversation with Lee Harris. How do I know when I'm talking to you and when I'm talking to the energy that you're channeling?

[Lee Harris]

Because when I channel, I now close my eyes because I don't like channeling open eyed because people start looking at my eyes and it's creepy and it's kind of distracting. Because my job as a channeler is to kind of, as much as I can, bypass my own mind. So if someone's looking at me, so I stopped doing that afterwards.

[Mayim Bialik]

So you don't want to be receiving that information.

[Lee Harris]

I don't want them trying to take that energy from my eyes. That was what I noticed at workshops. I was like, oh, this isn't. And also they're getting distracted and they're also thinking of the thing that. Thanks. They're thinking that I'm the thing that they're supposed to be attaining. And actually that's not true. I'm a person who is putting something out into the room or bringing something through me that is designed to help them find themselves.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay, here's the fun question. What's the longest time period you've ever channeled? Like, do you go on like 48 hour channel experiences? No.

[Lee Harris]

God, no. No, no, no.

[Mayim Bialik]

So what's it like?

[Lee Harris]

No, no, no. Cause you get. I get hot. So if I channel for. Okay, you have two books in front of you. You have Energy Speaks and you have the Future Human. The Future Human is a book I did with Regina Meredith.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yes.

[Lee Harris]

That was a very intense book for me as a human and as a body to do. And it took me about two weeks to recover. We did about three hours of channeling a day with a book.

[Mayim Bialik]

Can you explain the format of the Book so people can understand.

[Lee Harris]

Got it. So Regina Meredith is a brilliant journalist with Gaia tv. She's a truth seeker around the Hidden in the World and the Shadow of the World. So when we decided to collaborate on this book, I did know that some of the topics we would be going into would not be the kind of topics that I would personally spend time in. They aren't actually. It isn't good for me to spend my time in too many of those areas. But because I trusted Regina and I know how on it she is with her research, I said yes. So the book is a series of conversations, and the audio, the audible version, is the actual conversations, as they happened, of us sat in the studio. I'm channeling, and she is going through all these questions about our world today. War, AI technology, human health, how did we get into this state? So it's, you know, it's a. It's. It's. Yeah, it took me two weeks to recover.

[Mayim Bialik]

But all of the answers are from this entity?

[Lee Harris]

Yes. And I call them the Z's because my audience started calling them the Z's. They never knew whether they were going to get Zachary, Zadora or Zafariyah. And then around 2013, they said, we're no longer differentiating. We're just going to speak as one group because you need unity, not differentiation. So we're just going to unify again as one voice.

[Mayim Bialik]

Who are the other 85?

[Lee Harris]

I don't know all of them. I've. The only ones that I encountered were more functional. So, for example, I encountered a couple of angelic beings. I encountered a couple of beings who apparently are to do with my energy stability when I'm channeling. So, you know, there's all kinds. There's engineers, there's administrative. You know, there seems to be a whole kind of. Not everyone is on the podium in that group, and nor should they be, I guess.

[Mayim Bialik]

Do you write them all out in case we ever meet all 88.

[Lee Harris]

No, I'm. I am the worst, I think, because I've been doing this publicly for 20 years.

[Mayim Bialik]

I will make that spreadsheet for you.

[Lee Harris]

Okay. I want to know all the different. With you. I would sit down and let you do that.

[Mayim Bialik]

I mean, I would be so curious. Well, because I'm wondering, are they different facets of and experience? Are they different gender expressions? Are they different? What purpose. Right. Do they serve?

[Lee Harris]

And there was. Zachary, obviously, is a male name. And when Zafariah and Zadora came along, they said you would understand Zadora as the feminine to Zachary's. Masculine. And you would understand Zafariah as right in the middle, kind of equal male and female. And they said how you understand male and female is not how we would term it. But I was a little embarrassed to. I had an audience for my channeling when Zafariya and Ziadora emerged. And I'll be honest, you know, most of my friends are women, and, you know, I love women. And I was a little embarrassed to be going out there saying I was channeling female entity. I was like, oh, is this okay? And it was. It was, you know, but. But this is the gift of channeling. It helps you get over yourself.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay, so this is what I was going to ask. When you're channeling, let's say, any entity but a female entity, what does it. Does it feel?

[Lee Harris]

I loved Xiodora because it was peace. My God. It was wide. It was peaceful. It was. For me, it was like an embodied experience of deep, feminine, strong energy. So strong. But very feminine. Very. It felt very wide from my heart. Zachary is a little different. And I. And I experience them now not quite as wide as Xiadora was. Zafariah was a little uncomfortable for me because she had a personality, which the others don't really. So she had a bit of a personality, and so it was a bit odd.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And how do you know who's gonna show up?

[Lee Harris]

Well, now they're just. They said in 2013 we're just going to be one group again because it's better that people aren't focused on who is it, what is it, what gen?

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

So what does the voice sound like? Is it male?

[Lee Harris]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when I hear it, it's still the voice of Zachary. And when it comes through my body, it sounds like, I think, a slightly faster version of my own voice and a little more.

[Mayim Bialik]

He's British.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah, Actually more British than I am, which, again, is interesting because, you know, you'd like to have some control over it, but you don't.

[Mayim Bialik]

It's like when you choose your Siri.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah, kind of. Kind of. I have a friend, Wendy Kennedy, who's a great channeler, and she kind of sounds Australian when she does it. It's interesting, but she's not Australian. She's not interested. Very American. Although she's quite European in spirit.

[Jonathan Cohen]

When you sit down to channel for someone, for example, if you were to channel for me or for mime or for us as a.

[Mayim Bialik]

As a group, an entity, is it

[Jonathan Cohen]

that you're just getting information from your guide? Do you think that they have consulted with what our guides want and then there's some sort of back channel communication which then gets delivered.

[Mayim Bialik]

Do I have a Zachary?

[Jonathan Cohen]

No, you have someone else.

[Mayim Bialik]

Well, I don't know. Maybe Zachary's. No source is the same.

[Lee Harris]

Yes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You're getting messages from your guides.

[Lee Harris]

Right. Great.

[Jonathan Cohen]

My, my assumption is that your guides have had some back side communication with the guides of the people that you're seeing to communicate with. Everyone would assume and then you're filtering it that through to you. Whereby or you could have connected for example directly to Mime's guides and then heard that directly. But the way that you operate, you actually have a relationship with dise. So the information would get filtered through the Z's. The Z's are not Mime's guides. So there would need to be some sort of data transfer in order for you to get the information that's valuable to her.

[Mayim Bialik]

I have guides even if I don't know.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

Of course we all have to assume

[Jonathan Cohen]

that that's the working assumption of what I'm trying to explain is that if everyone has guides, they're sort of have information on that person's behalf. But if they cannot access it directly from their own guides, they're going to go through a channeler or an intuitive of some kind.

[Lee Harris]

Yes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And that information needs to be communicated. So it's not that the Zs are the guides for everyone, but they would maybe be like. This is kind of a little bit like AI agents. Your AI agent would communicate with the AI agent of the person who you're going to communicate.

[Lee Harris]

That's a good way to make an

[Jonathan Cohen]

understanding of what the information is. And then it happens to go back through your mouth.

[Lee Harris]

You're asking me this like I should know the answer. And I mean I can sit here and think about it but, but, but I do it. So I've never questioned how the sausage is made. I just know how to make the sausage. And basically. And there's two ways I work.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I like to think about the workflow.

[Lee Harris]

Right, right. I know. And that's good. That's good. And that's why you have, that's why you're wired the way you're wired with that technical mind of yours, which is great. And I love technical people because I'm not normally so technical. I can come at tech, I can come at tech and organization and structure. I on the back of, I'm kind of experiential first and then I organize. So there are two ways I work and this is true. For many intuitives, I can be sat here with you and I can start getting messages and part of it is feeling. And yes. Is my channel to them open? Yes, it is. But it's not like they're feeding me words about you and I'm just copying what they're saying. That's me being an intuitive. Me being a channeler is something else. So I'll have my eyes closed, they'll be coming through and I don't. And they'll be talking in a slightly more otherworldly way than I ever would. But regarding your question, yes, there is a level of permission that you are giving or anyone who is sitting down to a reading is giving to be in that reading. And sometimes people, I think they, they overly attribute the power to the intuitive or the psychic. It's a two way exchange and it's really about what is it that you're meant to hear. So it's not me sitting there going, oh, I'm going to tell Jonathan something he's been avoiding for years and I'm going to hit him over the head with that. That's not my job.

[Mayim Bialik]

That's why I brought you here.

[Lee Harris]

Thank you. That's not my job. And I just came here to meet CC Bloom. Sorry about that. So, so, so, so my point is, if you're doing your job right, what you're opening to is something you are a vessel for. But you might leave my room or my phone session with you or my workshop and I don't fully understand what it is I was just a vessel for you for. But I know if I tune in on being the vessel, and I know that feeling in my body so well now I know, okay, I did what I was supposed to do, I may never fully understand it.

[Mayim Bialik]

So this is another place where. And we talk about there's a partnership in this energy exchange 100%. So if you come in here with your arms crossed and you're like, this is bs, I don't want it. Yeah, you're not, you're not going to receive it. Not because you get some award for being a skeptic. It's that if there is some energy that is exchanged between humans, which we know that there is, there is a place of openness that allows that to come through. Just like when you go to kiss someone and they don't want to be kissed, right. You can sometimes tell from across the room this isn't going to happen. That's what we're talking about also. So there has to be some willingness and openness and then I think a lot of people, you kind of dismiss it as like, oh, well, you'll believe anything. You're so gullible. Right. We got my mother a psychic reading for her birthday last year. She. Since my father passed away, which was 10 years ago, since he passed away, she's been a lot more open to other.

[Lee Harris]

Death does that to people, other realms.

[Mayim Bialik]

And I come from part of my family's Hungarian and there's a lot of cool, spooky women in many Hungarian families that have strange intuition, beautiful intuition.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I mean, your mother says she's psychic.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of things. Anyway, but when we got my mother this reading, she was so excited and she went and she had an amazing time. And it was like, well, they told me this about your father and it confirmed it. And my kids who are very skeptical were like, well, that's cause she wanted to believe that. But I'm also thinking maybe wanting to believe opens something up. We know from the placebo effect, we know from double blind studies that the placebo effect is real in that if you believe something, if you are open to something, you are more receptive to, to actual growth. You know, improving immune properties like we know these things happen. Belief is incredibly important. We talked about this with Dr. Amir Raz. Dr. Raz is a hypnotist and a magician who's also a neuroscientist. And what he studies is belief and how much belief actually changes. It changes our brains, it changes our physiology. So for me, this is like all on that kind of similar plane.

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[Lee Harris]

I was once working with a woman. This was years ago, and the Z said something to her at the end of the session when I was channeling them for her and she'd gone through this major trauma with someone in her life and I had been encouraging her to go and work with a somatic therapist for her body because it was clear that there was so much going on in her mind, there was too much up there, which meant she couldn't get down into her body and her body wouldn't open. So she the Z's said to her, part of cause she was very scared to do it and they said Part of the reason you're going to work with a somatic therapist is you are suffering from the effects of what another human did to you. And it's not just the skill of the therapist that's going to be the healing for you. It's going to be that another human helps you put yourself back together. So to me, there's always that element. There's always that element of us helping each other. And I think this is where people go wrong with psychics. They point the finger at the psychic or the medium or the intuitive, and they go, oh, well, they're. And it's like, no, they're just an ambassador for a dimension that you may or may not ever believe in, may or may not go into. But they're not special. They're just experiencing something and they're tapped into, for whatever reason, for their path. Something that already exists, that all of us potentially can tap into or are living in. When I did a course recently called Next Level Healer, I looked up persecution of healers with Google, because, you know, this is a wound I've worked with, with so many people over the years, and I've come up against it myself as my own work has gone through growth stages. It's like, oh, am I safe out here? And is this okay? And when you Google why have healers been persecuted in society? It goes back to religion and medicine control. So prior to the times when religious and medicinal control came in, there were lots of people who had all kinds of helpful plants and herbs and. But it all stems from there. And the way to ostracize people was to persecute them. We know that the witch trials got rid of really powerful, brilliant women who weren't allowed to be in power. And a load of them just got bumped off under the guise of being a witch. So to me, this is such an ancient history, and I've heard that from them. We're just in a period of society where it has been not in every culture, but in the Western world, certainly. Scrubbed out, denied. No, this is the system. This is what you're gonna do. And actually, you can't stop people tapping into spirit. So death is a great opener for people. And it's great your kids are skeptical. It's great they're skeptical. Let them be skeptical to the end of their life, or let them be skeptical until they' they're 24 and something happens to them. Because this is the other thing I think people often are fixated on spiritual teachers, gurus, psychics, as trying to trick people into Something.

[Mayim Bialik]

Well, a lot of people.

[Lee Harris]

No.

[Mayim Bialik]

And a lot of people are, yeah, Trust me.

[Lee Harris]

And there are, there are. But in my experience, and I've worked with thousands of healers around the world, now, most of them are really loving, good people with, like, we all have their own stuff, but they are committed to, as the Z's call it, working in the dimension of healing. Even when I did my latest course, Next Level Healer, I knew the word healer was going to be a bit of a problem. But I was determined and it was like, no, that is the word. So I set about redefining what is the word Healer. We're all healing each other all the time. Your worst enemy is a healing force in your life, even though you don't like it. Our friends and our loved ones will help us heal when we're going through something. But there are those on the planet who stand for the dimension of healing. They might be a nurse, they might be a doctor, they might be an acupuncturist, they might be a kids counselor. There's so many different hats you can wear to help people transform their lives.

[Mayim Bialik]

They might just be a codependent.

[Lee Harris]

That too. That too. So it was interesting doing Next Level Healer and kind of going to Google going, I've never Googled this. And it was interesting. If you Google, why are healers so persecuted in society? You see it all there and you see the history of it laid out and you're like, so, you know, one of the things I said to the healers as we were going through the wound part is I said, you know, this is a wound that has been carried for hundreds of years. It's lineage that we all interact with as we put our heads above the parapet and stand for what we're standing for. But if you're compelled to stand for it, that's your life, that's your path. You're not going to back away from it. You're just going to have to do some work on the part of you that is nervous every time you want to step forward.

[Mayim Bialik]

I want to know what the most surprising information is that you've received from your entities. Meaning was there ever something that when it came through, you were like, there is no way that I could have would have generated this, either something that came true for someone or something that you were like, I didn't know the answer to Avogadro's number, and now I do.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah, I'm not. It's funny, I'm not a scientific person. So it. And I've noticed this with Channelers. When you meet the channeler, you, you also see their alignment. Like I've met some of the very scientific channelers as people and they're very scientific people. So there is an alignment. So I'm not necessarily the person who's going to give you some extraordinary number sequence through my channel. But there have been things along the way about parts of history that I'd never investigated or concepts that kind of. I was like, is that true? And then I'd hear about it or read about it years later. So there have been a number of those things over the years, which to me, again, doesn't make me special. It just means everything is there in the field. It's whether or not you tap into it, everything exists. It's just where our focus goes as to whether we're finding it or engaging with it. So I'm not very surprised these days. But I'm also like not looking to prove something to myself. So I guess I don't really track that stuff anymore. But in the early years it was quite nice when you'd go, oh, I heard that from the Z's years ago. That's kind of nice to know. Or oh, that's interesting. This concept the Z's gave me. There is. In Eskimo culture, that's a thing.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So do the Z's have any information or chime in on current events?

[Lee Harris]

They do because my audience asks. So every month I go live and take audience questions in. In a members community I have called the Portal. So yeah, I mean they do.

[Jonathan Cohen]

How do they feel about the Epstein drama?

[Lee Harris]

Smokescreen. The word smokescreen say more. There is truth in it and it is being used to divert your attention away from other things. There is truth in the story and that's why we're not supposed to look at it too deeply because it will take us down a tunnel that will reveal a lot more. And a lot of people already, I think have access to some of that stuff.

[Jonathan Cohen]

What is it that we're supposed to be looking at if not that? If that's a smokescreen and don't make

[Mayim Bialik]

the Z's be a political analyst.

[Lee Harris]

Yeah. And I also, you know, I think what's tricky in our sound bitey culture is anything I say now can get pulled, can get used and will get misinterpreted. That's a bigger question. But the one thing they've talked about is control. They've talked about planetary control and that that's a current goal and aim for a very small shadow group on the planet and that is something that's been playing out, they say, for a very long time. But it's rising to the surface to be publicly seen now in a way that we've never ever seen in our lifetime. And so for many people it's a destabilizing or horrific experience and time. And for others who have perhaps been aware of some of the shadow stuff for years, it's kind of a time that some people have been waiting for, not looking forward to because it's messy, it's difficult, it's dark. They did say a few years ago that we could be in a way worse position now. We could have been in a way worse position a decade ago than we are now. So they do say that there is a rising consciousness on the planet that is both also rising, the dark and the control. Because there's a frequency battle going on between those two poles. And the question is how bad does it have to get before it gets better? And they say that that's very much up to how we as a humanity play it. And this is a time where we're moving out of top down control of the people. And we're in a period of time, not just a year, but a set of years and decade that's all about people revolution and power. Back to the people. People remembering they have a lot of power before we farmed out our power and the way that we are living to a system that has slowly over time become even more corrupt.

[Mayim Bialik]

If I were to ask Lee that same question, as opposed to asking what the Z's, would it be a different answer?

[Lee Harris]

Well, and I was speaking on their behalf from things that I've remembered that they've said, you know, they were for sure.

[Mayim Bialik]

But that's sort of what I'm curious about in trying to sort of distinguish. Right.

[Jonathan Cohen]

If people are only listening, there's a body posture that changes when you're recounting, when you're recounting and you're sharing that when I asked you that question, even

[Lee Harris]

channeling, but yeah, I'm going to that place.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yes, but you're, it's, you know, if someone is only listening to that answer, they won't get the nuance of looking at you and saying all of a sudden, you know, in previous responses, you're looking, you're engaged, your head is a certain way. And then now all of a sudden when you start a more philosophical planetary conversation, your head tilts, your eyes are gazing up.

[Lee Harris]

Yes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And you're pulling information from somewhere else. Whether that. And I'm not Speculating. And I'm not denying that it is, you know, disease versus like. And this is why I think it almost doesn't matter in a way.

[Mayim Bialik]

It matters.

[Lee Harris]

It matters depending on who you are and where you are. So to me it doesn't matter. Yeah, to you it probably doesn't matter. I think when you've been in this kind of realm for a long time, the details start. No, but, but I understand completely.

[Mayim Bialik]

And you're also being an ambassador about the Epstein files. He might be like, fucking, that's crazy. Like Trump was in it and blah, blah, you know, I'm curious if there's that much of a difference for you.

[Lee Harris]

The problem for me is I'm too privy to this stuff for too long. When they first started talking to me about shadow stuff, and it wasn't because they were telling me it against my will, I would ask questions about the world I did not like the answers. Like this was not the world I wanted to see. You know, I was in a nice. I mean I was in my own little self growth spirituality bubble and it was a curated bubble and it was a bubble that was helping me. And then all of a sudden, you know, shit got real. I don't know if I can say that. Sorry. But it was, it was kind of. It was a sobering. I went through a very sobering year and a half in about 2009 where this was a part of my reality and it was coming to terms with, oh well, if this is real and if this is true. And all I can say, as Lee is at the time, some of the stuff that they were telling me that seemed a little sci fi we are now watching on television screens. And that's kind of interesting. You're like, oh, they were not, you know, stuff that I would, I would have hoped they were wrong about or I was miss. Maybe I'm channeling wrongly. Some of the stuff that we're seeing right now, Some of the. Yeah, some of the darkness that's playing out, acting out and.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah, I'll give you an example of something that could have easily sounded like sci fi and or would be sci fi to many people still. We just this week released an episode with Greg Braden. He talks about planetary control and the risk of giving up aspects of our humanity and talks about the World Economic Forum working through the UN to with the possibility of implanting chips in to infants brains to help the next generation compete in an increasingly competitive world. That can sound absolutely crazy to many people.

[Lee Harris]

Yes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Until you start to dig in and to see Are these conversations happening?

[Lee Harris]

Yes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Are there initiatives? Doesn't mean that they're being implemented yet. But that, could it be possible that this is actually being talked about now? Who gets control of those chips? How are they implemented? Where is the data stored? Like all of a sudden you can see that's a huge. Has many implications for the entire population.

[Lee Harris]

Yep.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Now you're like, is that dark energy? Is that positive energy? What? You know, you're splitting the two sides of a coin to say, you know, what is for humanity's benefit and what isn't. And it starts to get really sci fi and freaky and kind of crazy.

[Mayim Bialik]

You have in theory a connection to a source of like truth with a capital T, right?

[Lee Harris]

As. As. Yes. Although many people of course would argue that or would disagree. I have a voice that I can go to when I am perplexed about my life or things in the world and I speak to them. I might speak to them three times in a week, I might not speak to them for four weeks. It just depends what's going on in my life. And I'm in their energy all the time because of my work. It's interesting, isn't it? Because it's all about are you controlling fear or are you controlling love on the planet? And to keep people away from a loving world, you need them to be in fear. And we saw what happened in 2020 and the amount of unnecessary fear that was pumped into people at a time where that's not what, you know, a healthy, healthy, and I'll say it, healthy world leadership would have taken care of people in a completely different way. And I think in a weird way, 2020 was the beginning of a worldwide wake up for many people. And we're still in that wake up. And there is a lot more to come out. The Z's have said, you know, more is going to keep coming out that will shock people.

[Mayim Bialik]

Do you talk to dead people?

[Lee Harris]

Only for clients. So. And that hasn't been my choice. But they've come through in certain readings. But I'm not like a traditional lovely God. Dead people are so happy. No, they are really. They're so happy they don't have to be here anymore. No. Cause they're no longer in the construct of ego and personality. And it's very moving when you verifying something for a person hits them. Because of course, what do we want with our loved ones? We want the connection back in some way. So it's been an interesting aspect of the work, not one I've ever advertised before.

[Mayim Bialik]

We Let you go. I wonder if you can sort of give us your understanding of what you were placed here both to do and to channel.

[Lee Harris]

Right, yeah, this. So I didn't understand this as a kid. I was drawn to expression as a kid and I was full of expression in many creative ways. But my job, or what I've, what I've understood of this period of my life, this last 21 years, is to, to I think, make it safe and grounded for people to explore their spirituality. And occasionally I'm spirituality rehab. Occasionally I'm the person that will say, no, you don't have to believe what the healer told you. No, you don't have to believe what that. You know, I think my own philosophy of life is I'm a human being having a spiritual experience. Right. Which is most people. So both are true for me. And what I hear from people is, what I hear repeatedly is they like that I'm relatable and spiritual. Whereas I think when I was growing up, I didn't see that modeled a lot, the two together. But that wasn't anything by design. I think that's just, you know, you get feedback when you're out there doing your thing. You hear the same feedback time and time again and it tells you something about what you're standing for for other people. Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

And one more kind of personal question. What's it like for you to be in a romantic relationship?

[Lee Harris]

Well, I'm single right now, so it's really easy right now.

[Mayim Bialik]

No, but do you feel like your energy is essentially for channeling and those kind of interactions or is there room for you to sort of engage on.

[Lee Harris]

Oh God, yeah. Oh, completely. Oh, completely. No, I am my most serious self when I'm doing this work and I'm. No, I'm. Yeah, no, I'm. And I don't normally bring these topics of conversation up. I mean, I have loads of connections in my life where these, these things are not the topic of conversation. And I also need that balance. You know, I'm a full time worker, so it's like, you know, you, you need a break. So people hand me spiritual books and I'm like, no thanks, I'll do comedy, I'll do conversations about your life. I need the balance. But in relationship, I think, you know, for me, like many relationship has been like the learning area. I think I've had some beautiful relationships and I think I'm coming to the point now. I just got divorced a couple of years ago. I was married for five years. We were together for almost eight. I'VE got to the point where I know I need to be in a partnership where the two of us have some kind of equality in what we do. And the interaction is coming from that place and wanting to walk alongside each other. I think in all my other relationships so far, I've been learning and growing. So I don't even really know who I'm gonna be in my next partnership. Because this is. I'm in a bit of a new phase the last couple of years.

[Mayim Bialik]

Well, it's the first thing I would ask on date one. Tell me about what the Z's say about our relationship.

[Lee Harris]

And actually I prefer it if people don't know about my work. I much prefer it if I can just meet them as a human and we can have our connection and then, you know. And actually I will tell you a story with Stephen, my ex husband. The first night he came to see me do my thing to an audience of people in Sydney, Australia. It was very interesting. He said to me at the end of the night, he said, okay. He said. Cause he'd just flown to Australia where I was on a tour. And he said, I'm gonna take a shower. Cause I have jet lag. And then I'm gonna come back and you are gonna explain to me what just happened in that room.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You didn't prep him.

[Lee Harris]

Well, we'd been together for three months.

[Mayim Bialik]

You've gotta see it.

[Lee Harris]

And also when I work in a workshop room, I'm working with people. It's not just, here's a channeled recording, here's a book, I'm working with people. And you know, it's in real time. So transformation is happening in action. And I literally. He went to the shower and I was like, oh God, he's gonna dump me now. Like, that was my. And he couldn't believe that was my narrative. But my narrative around that would be, I hope this isn't a problem for my relationship. And actually it wasn't. It was the opposite.

[Jonathan Cohen]

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[Jonathan Cohen]

visit quattrodog.com I have two sort of closing questions. One of them I think we could have covered way earlier. What do people come to you for? Like, what are people who are going to workshops or consulting or looking for help and advice? What is. What's going on with them? Often

[Lee Harris]

because I don't do one thing, it's many things. But I would say that the the types of people who I tend to commonly get come to me are people who are already somewhat sensitive, empathic or open, and they're looking to go deeper with it. People who love channeling and that really works for them. People who are healers, people. You know, I have a lot of people who are practitioners. For example, the Energy Update, you know, I have loads of practitioner friends or people in the field who will often say to me, oh God, the Energy update really helped me. I didn't know they were watching. So I think it depends. Some people come for a quick fix of oh good, I just need to know how I feel. He sometimes works for me. I'll use the Energy Update. Okay Good. Other people go really deep and they want to come to all the workshops and they want to, you know, take online courses. But I think ultimately people are looking for themselves. And you might be a person who can help them open some doorways in themselves.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Very helpful. And then I think there's a lot of people out there who are listening to different information on how to be more intuitive, how to regulate their emotions, how to maybe develop extra sensory abilities or hone, you know, their. Their senses, or maybe they're an empath that they feel overwhelmed. If someone is seeking, struggling not hasn't found the right footing, do you have a general advice that you would give them to, you know, move towards a place where with more balance, more optimism, more sense of purpose in their life. What would you say to them?

[Lee Harris]

The first thing I would say is, know what you're seeking and why and know your pain. Because often we will go and seek things to outrun our pain. And many of us did, you know, many. I'm. I'm no different. You know, I went to spirituality and self growth because I had a big bag of pain that I knew was in my way. And I think sometimes people don't always tend to those two things separately. And actually it can be very healthy to go, okay, I know I'm seeking spirituality, but let me also look at my human story so far in life, and wow, it has been quite wounded. Let me look at those wounds. So I would say really know why you're looking into spirituality and what you're looking for, but also understand who you are that has brought you there because that can just quicken the process. And then secondly, trust yourself, which can be a very hard thing to say, but there is a tendency, because we think we don't know anything about spirituality, we'll believe anybody or we'll believe the first person that tells us the fifth dimension should always be seen as blue, and you access it by X, Y and Z. I'm so not a fan of rules. Like, you know, people will say, well, how do you become more. Less anxious? It depends who the person is. It depends on their trauma history. It depends where they're at. It depends on their level. Sure, there are going to be some common areas around anxiety that will work for most people. But the problem with spirituality is people. We as humans have a tendency to want the answer, and the answer is linear, rigid, and it's in a box. As soon as you go into spirituality, you're in a multidimensional world. You are no longer in human land. So Your human brain often has trouble breaking down those definitions and going, well, hang on. Well, this teacher said to get to the fifth dimension, I need to drink water only for a week. And then this person said to get to the. And who's right. And it's like neither of them are correct. It's up to you to decide. It's. You're gonna get there yourself, if the fifth dimension even matters to you. And some people really care about that stuff. So I think you have to go into it knowing this is going to be a big playing field. This might take me a lot of time, but if I know why I'm here, what I'm looking for. But equally, if I'm honest with myself about my basis. Oh, my basis is I've come out of two abusive relationships. I also need to look at that so that I'm taking care of that imbalance in myself and not letting that imbalance drive all my decisions over here in the spiritual field. Which is why I'm Self growth and spirituality. I'm both. And for me, that's the balance point. That works for me. So it's just a few things I would say.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I think it's super helpful. Thank you.

[Mayim Bialik]

This was such a fascinating conversation and really appreciate your explaining all the things that I wanted explained in particular, because I know it's not necessarily the framework that you have to operate in.

[Lee Harris]

No, but I get it. And thank you for your. Thank you for your questions and thank you for having me. It was very nice to meet you both.

[Mayim Bialik]

Really, really awesome. Thank you so much. I don't really know what to say about our new friend, Lee Harris, because I really expected. I didn't watch him, I, I read about him, and obviously Valerie prepares a fantastic document. But I, I kind of purposely didn't want to see him do his work or look up his videos. I just wanted to like, what's the information? Let's meet this guy. I had no idea. I didn't think it would be like,

[Jonathan Cohen]

you thought he'd have more patchouli on.

[Mayim Bialik]

I thought it would be very clear.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Metaphorical patchouli.

[Mayim Bialik]

I thought it would be very clear that, like, this guy's making this up. He's making it up. He's a smart person, so he knows beautiful and wise things about the universe. And, you know, in, in, in his, in, in my defense, it's not like he's saying anything so shocking, you know, like, oh, we all need to put on purple hats and wear high heels, you know, Then I'd be like, wow, but he's saying things that, that make sense, that are very in line with a lot of psychological, you know, structure, a lot of mystical structure. So I just thought he's a guy who's making it up and he's having some delusional experience. I do not believe that anymore.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You don't believe he's having a delusional experience?

[Mayim Bialik]

No, I don't think he's.

[Lee Harris]

Okay.

[Jonathan Cohen]

What is he? What do you believe? What do you take away? What. And like, also, he told you that you were very spiritual. You don't like that. You always say you're not spiritual, you're not intuitive. He says otherwise.

[Mayim Bialik]

Well, what I think is happening is that in the same way that certain people have an easier time dropping into a meditative space or have learned the skills with which to do so, something opened for him from a place of pain. You know, he describes that his kind of. He had a spiritual awakening. Right. It's what a 12 step program would call it. Right. He had a spiritual awakening. And that awakening came with information that I cannot explain that he's generating on his own. I think what I appreciate about Lee is that he doesn't have all the answers, meaning he can't necessarily explain what's happening or why or how. He's just experiencing something. And I do believe that he's allowed to make a living at what he does. And I also believe that his message is really one of love, openness, camaraderie, friendship and connection. Like, those are all good things.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I agree. If you're watching this podcast right now, I am leaning over in my chair so that Archie doesn't eat the lever at the bottom of the chair that makes it go up and down.

[Mayim Bialik]

He likes to chew on the levers of these chairs.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I've noticed that that's a little bit distracting.

[Mayim Bialik]

I really do like the Future Human because it is literally it. I mean, as he said, it was an entire channeled book. So all of the answers are from the Z's. There's so many things here. I mean, we didn't even get to it because I. I mean, I was just so fascinated with his process and how he does this.

[Jonathan Cohen]

One thing I will say to people who are only listening, not watching. I watched his face and his head.

[Mayim Bialik]

Something different happens.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And something was happening when he was kind of going into his reading of you, which was his face was getting redder, his head was getting hotter. You could kind of. He wasn't like full on sweating, but the skin coloration had changed. I'm curious if Anyone watching noticed that. If you did definitely comment. I think it's an interesting. You know, he said he gets hotter, and so I was watching that happen.

[Mayim Bialik]

So one of the things that is talked about in this book is he believes that there's something going on for a lot more people who are having access to this kind of information, who are interested in this kind of information. I think we can see it even just by our podcast and what people are interested in and kind of asking us to talk more about. And he said that this kind of, you know, you could call it telepathic communication. You could call it, you know, synchronicity. It says that this will become more and more normal. There are still some people who are surprised when they choose to reach out to a friend, just as the friend is also calling them or sending a message at the exact same time. This is going to become more and more the norm. It's because the speed of your connection has not yet caught up with the awareness of your mind and intuition. You're all energetically connecting with each other in stronger ways. I just thought that was interesting. It's something we talk about in how we reconnected after many years of not speaking years ago. And, yeah, he also talks a lot about sexual energy here, but I'm not going to get into that right now.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Well, Deepak talks in our episode about how we're at a precipice where humanity is changing and sort of the. The not negative, but the skeptical side of this is that, oh, everyone says that humanity has been changing and there's been all these periods of time, and there was a change of consciousness in the 60s, and I don't necessarily know that that changes or degrades the fact that it's happened. It's happening now as well. But it does seem like more people are aware of the skills and abilities that we all have and that our human experience can have a level of interconnection that we're beginning to realize on a deeper level.

[Mayim Bialik]

If you'd like to hear more about Lee Harris, go to Lee Harrisenergy.com I'm very, very curious to learn more about him. I mean, we learned so much today, but there's a lot more. Make sure to follow us on Substack. We've got some really special exclusive content from this episode that is over on substack. Go to bialikbreakdown.substack.com the Breaker community is eager to meet you over there. And from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we'll see you next time.

[Lee Harris]

It's Maya Bialik's breakdown. She's going to break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience beat. HD or two Fiction. And now she's going to break down. It's a breakdown. She's going to break it down.