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Episode: Re-Air: Cassandra "Elvira" Peterson – Happy, Healthy, Dead
Date: October 31, 2025
Host: Mayim Bialik
Guest: Cassandra Peterson (Elvira)

Overview

In this special Halloween re-airing, Mayim Bialik re-visits her in-depth conversation with Cassandra Peterson, the iconic actress and creator behind Elvira, Mistress of the Dark. The episode delves into Cassandra’s personal journey from her Kansas farm upbringing to showgirl, comedian, cult legend, and LGBTQ+ icon. The candid discussion explores themes of self-empowerment, ownership of creative identity, sexuality, aging, motherhood, and the ongoing struggle with society’s standards for women. It also features light-hearted moments about haunted houses, Halloween obsessions, and the duality of Cassandra’s public/private life.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins and Early Life

• Small-town Roots:

  • Cassandra grew up in Manhattan, Kansas, on a farm (“the Little Apple”), where her parents grew milo (a cow feed) ([05:48]).
  • She always dreamed of more, first yearning for the stage after performing as a child in a restaurant:

    “I think that’s the moment it hit me.” — Cassandra ([06:21])

• Self-Image:

  • Contrary to her later iconic appearance, Cassandra describes herself as a “total nerd and a geek” as a child, with frizzy hair and cat-eye glasses ([07:31]):

    “I was not a good looking child… No one used to say, oh, what a pretty little girl. No.” — Cassandra ([07:31])

2. Early Career & Vegas Showgirl Fame

• Became the youngest Vegas showgirl at age 17 ([08:16]).
• Inspired by Ann-Margret in “Bye Bye Birdie” and “Viva Las Vegas”:

  “I saw her … and I go, that’s what I want to be… it changed everything for me.” — Cassandra ([08:31])

• Her parents were initially reluctant, only becoming supportive as she began succeeding ([09:19]).
• Describes Las Vegas in the late ‘60s as glamorous and sophisticated, mourning how much it’s changed ([10:10]).

3. Transition to Acting and Comedy

• Cassandra’s path to LA included performing in bands before realizing she needed to pivot careers ([11:56]).
• Joined the prestigious Groundlings comedy troupe in late ‘70s with the likes of Phil Hartman and Paul Reubens ([12:56]):

  “The Groundlings was the best thing I ever did for my career. It taught me to think on my feet.” — Cassandra ([13:16])

• Her characters at the Groundlings were often “sexy girl, the girlfriend, the showgirl, the stripper” ([14:22]).

4. Birth of Elvira

• Developed Elvira partially from a ditzy Valley Girl character she performed—landed the horror host role almost by accident, out of place at her own audition ([16:07]).
• Visual and attitude for Elvira was co-created with artist Robert Redding ([23:12]):

  “We brought in a picture … an updated 80s punk… vampire look… I told my friend Robert, they’re never going to go for this.”

• The TV station was only concerned with ratings, resulting in the iconic sexy, gothic look ([23:12]).

5. Personality and Authenticity

• Elvira’s sassy, confident personality is based on Cassandra’s own rebellious teenage years ([25:32]):

  “Elvira is my personality when I was a teenager… I was such a parents’ worst nightmare.” — Cassandra ([25:32])

• She likens Elvira to a drag queen and credits countless gay friends for creative inspiration. Importantly, she owns the character outright ([27:19]):

  “I totally categorize Elvira as a drag queen. There’s nothing different about me and any drag queen I know, except I don’t tuck.”
  “I own my character, so I get to do it the way I want.” — Cassandra ([25:32], [27:19])

• How She Gained Ownership:

  • Gradually negotiated rights from the TV station, starting with the fan club and then for appearances, leading to full ownership ([27:27]).
  • Pay remained paltry for years:

    “I was getting $350. They bumped me up finally all the way to $500 a week before taxes.” — Cassandra ([27:37])

6. Dual Identity and Fame

• Maintained privacy for decades as Cassandra Peterson while being Elvira on screen ([30:46]):

  “I was the luckiest celebrity alive. I was completely anonymous… I could be famous when I wanted to and party and do all the fun things, and I could be a private, normal person when I wanted to.” — Cassandra ([30:46])

7. Motherhood and Aging

• Became a mother at 43 after years of miscarriages—daughter had a “pretty regular upbringing” despite Elvira’s fame ([32:08], [32:55]).
• Daughter did not particularly embrace Elvira and avoided dressing as the character ([34:33]).

8. Sexuality, Relationships, and Coming Out

• Married to a man (her manager) for 25 years, then entered a long-term relationship with a woman, T, met as a trainer, after divorce ([37:51]):

  “I never thought of myself as possibly gay… I met her… I just looked at her as a friend and my trainer… Next thing I know, I’m in a relationship with a woman. I don’t know how that happened.” — Cassandra ([37:51])

• The relationship emerged years after their meeting, and Cassandra describes her partner as “very private” and 10 years younger ([40:13]).

9. Empowerment, Sexuality & Society’s Double Standards

• Discusses the complexity of owning sexuality as a woman, societal expectations, and persistent double standards ([42:31]):

  “If you give in… there’s no end, then it’ll be just women don’t exist. Go away, disappear, don’t exist as a human being, maybe as an object.” — Cassandra ([44:33])

• Elvira’s drag-like qualities provided Cassandra a feeling of “license” and confidence she didn’t always feel in her private life ([44:57]).

10. Connection with Outsiders & Cultural Legacy

• Many fans have told Cassandra that Elvira gave them confidence as outsiders, particularly those who felt “different” (LGBTQ, bullied, etc.) ([58:28]):

  “Elvira was a major influence… to stand up to bullies, to feel like being an outsider, a geek, is okay… If I changed one or two people’s life, and I think possibly a lot more for the better, then my job here is done.” — Cassandra ([58:28])

11. Halloween, Spooky Obsessions & Haunted Houses

• Lifelong love of Halloween, stemming in part from her mother’s costume shop ([48:49]).
• Lived in a “genuinely haunted” house in LA, later sold to Brad Pitt, with persistent supernatural occurrences resolved only after exorcism and spiritual cleansing ([50:51]).
• Describes her spirituality as “very strong”—believes in higher power, “science of mind,” and personal spiritual sensitivity ([52:37]).

12. Looking Ahead & Slowing Down

• Cassandra reflects on aging, possibly stepping back from Elvira while keeping the brand alive ([54:50]):

  “I work, work, work, work, work. I go all the time… I’d like a break, damn it. I’d like to just go have some fun and do some things. But that doesn’t mean Elvira is going away.” — Cassandra ([54:50])

• Plans a return trip to Romania (the filming location for Elvira’s Haunted Hills) ([57:00]).

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On not fitting in as a child:

  "I was just a total nerd and a geek. No, no, I was not a good looking kid. It's not somebody who's, no one used to say, oh, what a pretty little girl. No." — Cassandra ([07:31])

• On Elvira’s personality:

  "One day it dawned on me that Elvira is my personality. When I was a teenager… I was just going to be super hot and sexy and ballsy." — Cassandra ([25:32])

• On dual identities:

  "I was completely anonymous… I could be famous when I wanted to … and I could be a private, normal person when I wanted to, which was amazing." — Cassandra ([30:46])

• On the impact of Elvira:

  “Elvira was a major influence … to stand up to bullies, to feel like being an outsider, a geek is okay. … If I changed one or two people's life, and I think possibly a lot more for the better, then my job here is done.” ([58:28])

• On the enduring battle with societal standards:

  “…If you just keep going with how, whoever they are, the, I don't know, it's the Christian right, the moral majority, whoever they are, there's no end, then it'll be just women don't exist, go away, disappear, don't exist as a human being, maybe as an object.” — Cassandra ([44:33])

• On personal growth and legacy:

  “I don't know what I'd do if I didn't work. I think I'm too closely tied to me is my work, you know, that kind of thing. But I would like to just step back a little bit and have some free time for once.” — Cassandra ([54:50])

Important Segment Timestamps

• Early family life and self-image: [05:48]–[08:04]
• Vegas showgirl years: [08:16]–[11:41]
• Groundlings and beginning acting: [11:56]–[14:22]
• Creation of Elvira: [14:22]–[16:34], [23:12]–[27:19]
• Owning the character: [27:19]–[29:07]
• Public/private dual identity: [30:46]–[31:52]
• Motherhood and family: [32:08]–[35:27]
• Coming out, sexuality, relationships: [37:51]–[41:30]
• Women's empowerment, societal struggle: [42:31]–[44:33]
• Haunted house stories: [48:49]–[52:25]
• Spirituality and “science of mind”: [52:37]–[54:07]
• Slowing down and legacy: [54:50]–[58:03]
• What Elvira means to people: [58:28]

Tone and Style

The episode is both playful and sincere, fusing Mayim’s warm, neuroscience-informed curiosity with Cassandra’s irreverent humor and candor. They discuss serious themes—empowerment, trauma, societal pressures—with the frankness and wit reflective of both women’s personalities and experience.

Final Reflections

Mayim celebrates Cassandra as “ahead of her time in terms of owning so much of herself” ([65:15]), and Cassandra’s words reinforce the power of authenticity and self-acceptance. The episode underscores Elvira's legacy as an enduring symbol for outsiders, feminists, and anyone struggling to find confidence in a difficult world.

Recommended for listeners seeking:

• Behind-the-scenes stories of pop culture icons
• Honest reflections about self-image, sexuality, and feminism
• A celebration of Halloween, camp, and the power of reinvention