A (2:22)

We wanted to give everyone a sneak peek behind the curtain. Look at what it's like to be on a live that is usually reserved for our substack breaker community.

B (2:32)

This conversation, though, is special because it touches on two really, really great episodes that are very, very different but have actually a lot in common. We talk in this episode that we're going to air for you now. We talk about our conversation with Scott Galloway. What does it mean to be in relation to people in a culture that is really evolving in terms of what we understand about the roles of men, the roles of women, the significance of connection? In addition, we talk about our episode with neuroscientist and researcher Dr. Julia Mossbridge, who's also the lead researcher on the telepathy tapes. Julia brought up so many things that we had to do a deeper dive on. We talk about remote viewing. We what does remote viewing even mean? And the conversation that we're going to air for you here is what happens when Jonathan and I get in front of the Breaker community to go one, if not two levels deeper on episodes that we love sharing with you.

A (3:35)

One thing that happened in the Julia Mossbridge episode was Mayim did a remote viewing session that Julia led her in. We did not know the target for for that remote viewing session until after. In this episode, we unpack what that target was and the Easter egg that some viewers spotted while watching the interview on YouTube. It is fascinating.

B (4:00)

We talk all about that and more. If you enjoy this kind of content, please make sure you join us over on Substack so you can hear and see these conversations live when they're happening. But we're so thrilled to be able to share these, this deep dive with Mayim and Jonathan. After our conversations with Scott Galloway and Dr. Julia Mossbridge, we hope to see you over on Substack and enjoy the episode.

A (4:22)

Break it down in the Julian Mossbridge episode, we did something called remote viewing, and some people said that the remote viewing exercise like, didn't hit home for them. We've spoken about it a few times on the podcast, once with Julia Mostridge before we spoke to her. This time we also spoke about it with a Department of Defense military psychic who used remote viewing to find fugitives and to solve crimes. And she was employed by the US Government and the CIA to do that. There is a science to the practice of remote viewing.

B (5:00)

Without even hearing all of what you said, I have a comment.

A (5:03)

Go ahead.

B (5:04)

So it's not to say that there is a science, because there is a science. But not everything the government does makes sense, has reason or is logical or legitimate. But what we know is that the government, many government agencies, have invested time and energy into even seeing if there's something here. And many legitimate scientists have been part of trying to access what might be going on.

A (5:39)

Yes. What I'm trying to differentiate is something that is like, so fringe and out there versus people, totally scientific background, saying, can our consciousness, our minds, receive information that we are not already in possession of? That's how I'm trying to explain this. Instead of like, I'm just meditating free form and just mining my own personal experience, this is mining an external information field. And what was interesting about this is that Julia, who teaches this tactic, started to get us into the practice working with Mayim, who has a very, what I would say is intense reliance on the intellectual part of her brain. But Julia was using that as an example to show that we can move back and forth between the two sides of our brain, the intuitive, more exploratory side and the rational, logical side. And she says that being able to toggle between those two is actually an amazing skill because you can. You're. You're not only trying to use the intuitive side, you're trying to use both, like to use the intellect to analyze that information, etc. Now, what Julia did not tell us was that there was a target. Why Julia said she did not know the target was, which was something that was kind of weird to me because I was like, how could you run a session not knowing the target? What she didn't say was the target was the seventh image on my camera roll.

B (7:15)

I don't even understand what happened. And I was in the episode the

A (7:18)

seventh picture on my camera roll.

B (7:21)

She saw it beforehand.

A (7:23)

She did not see it, nor did she want to see it so that she wouldn't impact the session.

B (7:29)

No one understands. I don't get it.

A (7:32)

Let's break it down.

B (7:33)

Okay, so Julia walked into the studio and she had told you beforehand, I'm going to do the remote viewing exercise.

A (7:40)

Target must be double blind. In practice, no one is supposed to know what the target is, therefore not biasing the information.

B (7:47)

So she then asked me a bunch of questions, none of which I liked.

A (7:51)

You did not like that exercise? Why didn't you like that exercise?

B (7:54)

I don't like. Well, first of all, who likes to be put on the spot of like, draw something, write something, think of something while cameras are rolling? It makes me feel like crying already. It's like if you put me in an improv situation, I just start crying. And not in a positive healing way.

A (8:11)

Let's unpack that just for a second. Because what's happening in those moments, there is an expectation, there is a narrative that you have about right and wrong, good or bad, performance or not, success or. But, like, right. Like to explain it a little bit, because I think it's actually fairly complex.

B (8:29)

Okay. So Cheryl says the trick is not to think. That's the problem for me. That's all my strongest skill is thinking, figuring out, making assumptions. I'm really good at that.

A (8:42)

But is it not your ultimate weakness as well?

B (8:45)

Like, I mean, well, I think that this is. And, you know, for those of you who are new, this is a lot of what we get to talk about on our podcast. What is real? Right. What can you convince yourself to be open to? That then opens up the possibility of finding more things that are real. So when you tell me, and also, I have tremendous respect for Julia Mossbridge. And when we had her on the first time, which I highly recommend, and people also watch that episode, she talked about precognition. She talked about dream analysis. She talked about, you know, when is a dream precognitive versus just a dream? What is it to try and set intention? And, like, there's science to it. She's a complete, like, neuroscience, like, amazing. She also does really cool auditory research. Like, she's an amazing, really cool person. And when it comes to this, like, remote viewing stuff, though, I'm like, I don't really get how we're all in this, like, consciousness web together. But for those of you who didn't see the episode, she literally had me pull up a whiteboard, and she also just was asking questions, and I was supposed to sort of, like, let go. Which, like, honestly, without drugs or alcohol is very, very hard for a lot of us. And at the end of this experiment, I think I picked a number and she asked me to pull up Jonathan's phone. And we looked at the number that I said was seven, and it was like, the seventh photo. And I was supposed to see if I was remote viewing into that. Now, for many people, you're like, that doesn't make sense. Indeed. So what I would like to point out is someone said, and this was a YouTube question that came in the remote viewing exercise, a lot of people said wasn't convincing because you can draw connections between anything. So what I will say, I don't want people to walk away saying remote viewing isn't convincing. Everything that happened, like, hand to God, that was complete. Like, I had no idea what was happening. But I think that the difference between people who think there's something significant in the connections you made versus there's nothing significant in the connections that you made is the interesting part of this conversation. And someone just said, and this is backed by science. Of course, there is science to visualization. There's science to, I mean, many aspects of this. If you want to go super deep, you know, go to Thomas Campbell, like, go to the level of, yeah, we're all just like particles and we're all in like a quantum experience that is a collective consciousness of existence. That's like the other side of this.

A (11:33)

I'm going to make it a little bit more tangible. This is a bit of a stretch in terms of the connection, but when we write, when we paint, when we create in some way, we are opening ourselves to an abstract, non formed information field and then translating that into information. The same principle is applying here where we say to ourselves, what's the first thing without, without analysis, without logic, let's just explore and allow part of our brain to just be open and go and explore and gather.

B (12:10)

Yes.

A (12:10)

And when she sets the parameter, what she's saying is that we're going to filter all that information back towards this objective. What happened is that the seventh image on my phone was our dog, Archie. And Julie actually emailed me an observation that one of her team members who she has taught remote viewing, had while watching the podcast. Go back in. During this segment, Archie, who had been off camera, makes an appearance during the remote viewing session. You see his tail entering as you are focused doing your work.

B (12:51)

And this is why Jonathan has his own substack called Practical Spirituality. But I do want to mention, and I do see in our comments, Jonathan, I do want to get to the experiment and the disclosure she talked about, because I think people do have what to talk about. But I think that what's important to point out, and again, this is a point that we come back to time and time again in the 300, however many episodes that we have done of this podcast. A lot of, you know, like, life's what you make of it. That's the very banal thing that you would cross stitch on a pillowcase about it. Every connection that is possible to make, whatever you give weight will grow. And that's, that's the point of what a lot of people who are not like me seem to access, meaning people who have access to. I mean, I've worked with people who are energy workers who sense things that I don't sense. Right. They are looking for and feeling and trusting connections that those of us who operate from the other side of the brain just say, like, that's ridiculous. If I can't prove it. It's not a thing so, anyway, I do want to get to the actual disclos that Dr. Mossbridge made. Dr. Mossbridge chose to write a book called have a Nice Disclosure, which we talk about. It is very, very odd and beautiful little book. It's full of symbols that have come to her since she was young that she didn't even know what they mean. She puts them in this book and decides to disclose what she experienced as a child in hopes that maybe there's a larger story that we can start piecing together. So, long story short, she has memories that she had never put together, meaning they. They happen. She remembers it. Her mother remembers it. There were strange tests that she participated in in elementary school, and much of what she experienced involved being taken into a testing room where she remembers a lot of detail right up until the door, doesn't remember anything that happened. Once she got beyond that door, there was a strange drink that she was forced to drink. Many people have talked about, like, oh, it was a fluoride campaign in the 70s. And, you know, yes, those things are true. Her remembrance is that it was distinct from a lot of the fluoride stories and that there was something else going on. And in this disclosure, she talks about what it's like to carry this and what would it be like to think that maybe. And she was singled out very young for being gifted in a way that was unusual. And she believes that there may have been testing going on. There may have been some sort of testing of either abilities that was assessing intelligence. Do we think that it's a coincidence that she also is an intuitive person who went on to have skills as a remote viewer and work for many organizations, teaching and healing and doing. It's likely, not a. Likely not a coincidence.

A (16:06)

It's the memory loss, the having a intense understanding and awareness right before entering the room and then afterwards. But those gaps in memory, which are really kind of flagging for me.

B (16:21)

Yeah. So Gandalf, Gandalf the Gray, who's always a very clever commenter, said that there was an apology issued, I think, by the schools. I'll have to go back. They claim it was a safe amount of fluoride. They paid out reparations. And then Gandalf the Gray says, I just learned. They kept on doing that at MIT into the 80s and 90s. She did mention starting, considering starting a support group. Is there any way to follow up on this? I don't know. We should actually ask Julia if she's had any more, you know, since the book came out, Lauren, since she's been

A (16:49)

talking about people have been contacting her with their similar experiences.

B (16:54)

Oh, so this was so Gandalf the Gray set. In the 1970s, MIT had a special day program for mentally challenged children. Their breakfast cereal was contaminated with uranium. That's what, that's what was being referenced. Okay. Huge scandal. I mean, look, the fact that like things like this, you know, happened at all is very strange and shocking. And look, as someone who was raised in the 70s and 80s in the magnet programs. That's what it was called here in LAUSD in the Los Angeles school district. You know, those were opportunities. Yes. For us to be identified. I was selected in kindergarten. I'm going to be super honest. 10 kids, approximately 10 or 12 of us were chosen from my kindergarten. I was 4 years old in kindergarten and about a dozen of us were chosen. And don't laugh, we were chosen to be allowed to stay later. Meaning we had this Incredible kindergarten teacher, Ms. Dorothy Ancona. She passed away. Incredible teacher. And Ms. Furman. Those were my two teachers. And they singled out that there was something special about this dozen of us and we got to stay after and do other programming. What was the highlight? Square dancing. Different story. But we were chosen as already. Like there was something about us that showed that we had either like patience, the focus, the whatever to be square dancers and stay after. But I'm wondering what was there other

A (18:15)

things other than square dancing? Was there a secret cabal to produce the world's best square dancers? And that was your destiny?

B (18:24)

I really wanted to dance with Paul Kim. Instead I was dancing with Richie Yoon. I wanted to dance with Paul Kim. That was my main goal.

A (18:31)

Paul, if you're out there, we could recreate a dancing experience between the two of you.

B (18:36)

I had a very big crush on Paul Kim. I also once threw up on his driveway after a party. I think too much square dancing and too much fruit punch. Different story.

A (18:44)

At 4 years old, did you need more school? Maybe you needed to go home and be with your parents.

B (18:50)

Hmm.

A (18:51)

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A (23:22)

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B (23:29)

Wow. I call bs. Pamela says seems like the drink might have been some sort of hallucinogenic. I mean, look, here's the thing. We we don't have to remember everything. And we talked about this with, with Dr. Mossbridge. You know, sometimes we remember things. It doesn't mean that anything nefarious was happening. However, there's a lot of specific. You know what it made me think of? It made me think of severance. Right? That room you go into. What's it called? No spoilers. But when he went into the room with the therapist, right? And it's like this other world. Also, I just saw the the movie the ass, which I highly recommend. And there's this virtual separate room. And I thought of that. I'm like, what was going on? You know, what was going on in there? Is it just that she doesn't remember? You know, were they giving kids amnesics, you know, in the 70s and 80s? I don't know that we also had like the level of sophisticated pharmacology to be able to sort of manage this? No, but without kids visibly being affected impaired. Like, you can't just like send a kid out of that room and nobody

A (24:26)

like half an hour, 40 minutes without any hangover residue.

B (24:30)

Correct. Well, I mean, look, unless it's like magic alien stuff, which, you know, there's

A (24:34)

a little note in our document that says most people assume everyone experiences the same reality. Julie explains that the brain based filtering determines how much of the environment, non local information we can access, which I think is actually a really important information. I was just watching something on that this morning. The notion that you and I could go and have the exact same external experience, same conversation, same environment, and actually our internal experience would be wildly different based on how we interpret it. You know, the person that we're talking to, you may find threatening, I may find funny.

B (25:10)

As the simplest example, Marie just started rewatching Fringe. Totally. A lot of similarities. That's such flattery. I love fringe. Coney Sundays, I was four years old when I started school. I just remember singing and taking naps.

A (25:26)

Everything went downhill when school stopped being about napping.

B (25:30)

Was fringe, J.J. abrams?

A (25:33)

I think it might have been.

B (25:34)

Oh, I honestly didn't know. Did anyone have the DISH program at their elementary school in the 90s? What's the DISH program? Actually, Jonathan, did anything like this happen in Canada or were y' all busy, like tapping maple trees and ice skating?

A (25:47)

We mostly were ice skating. Sometimes we're fighting bears with our bare hands.

B (25:52)

Were there. Did you have. Did you have the equivalent of like, gifted and talented program? Like, what were they called?

A (25:58)

Yeah, same thing.

B (25:59)

Sorry. I'm enjoying the comments today. I mean, I enjoy the comments every time, but they're especially fun today. Gifted kids went to Montessori, got. Who knows what was happening at Montessori or the Waldorf schools. Just making beeswax, 2x little candles, knitting

A (26:16)

to their hearts, that whole knitting stew. It's probably to, like, sell hats and make a lot of money. Sell hats and mittens.

B (26:26)

Meaningful work, meaningful labor. Oh, someone from Hibbing, Minnesota. Jackie Lee is from Hibbing, Minnesota. Who's the most famous person who's from Hibbing, Minnesota? He went by Robert Zimmerman when he was born. Bob Dylan is from Hibbing, Minnesota. That is very special. Jack Lee. I have been to Hibbing, Minnesota.

A (26:45)

Let's talk about, let's talk about Scott while we still have a little time.

B (26:48)

Yeah, let's talk about Scott. There's obviously a lot more to talk about here, and we do have other content that we post surrounding these things. But for our live today, we really hope that you will check out the Julia Mossbridge episode. It brings up so much. And also check out her other episode as well. She's a fascinating, fascinating woman. And we don't talk a ton about her work with the telepathy tapes, but her goal is to really give some scientific rigor to trying to understand nonverbal autism and what kind of consciousness access there is. And without facilitated communication, which is very, very controversial. In the absence of facilitated communication, what are the ways that we can access what's actually going on for nonverbal autistics in particular? There are many, many ways that nonverbal autistics can and do comprehend and can communicate outside of facilitated communication. And she talks a lot about that. For many people, that was a challenge with the first season of the telepathy tapes. They are really taking a different approach, thanks in part to Julia Mossbridge for the second season.

A (27:49)

Also, part of her life's work is to help us understand ourselves. By us, I mean Mayim and I. And she has some of the best insight into the dynamic between the two of us.

B (28:00)

Different story. Different.

A (28:02)

It's like four episodes in one, that episode.

B (28:05)

Yeah, she definitely, she's a very, very, very intuitive person. The episode that we dropped this Tuesday, Jonathan, can you explain his other podcasts that he does just so people know who he is? He works with Kara Swisher is how I kind of came to know him.

A (28:20)

He is a financial and political analyst. He's a professor of marketing at the Stern School of Business in New York. He has the channel Prof. G. Prof. G Markets. He has a political show, Raging Moderates, and he also has a politics and tech show called Pivot with Kara Swisher.

B (28:43)

And when we had Scott on the first time, his first book was part memoir, and it was about growing up a single mother and kind of algebra of wealth. Yes. And we talked about sort of where we can take control of our lives financially, what feels safe financially and also emotionally. And in his last book, Notes on Being a Man, he talks a little bit more about his development. And he talks in particular about how we all lose when men's Roles are not supported in particular emotionally. And Scott, as many of you noted, he's a very stern guy. He's, you know, by his own admission, kind of a grumpy guy. What he talks about, though, is that men need to learn to step up emotionally if they would like to be part of the equation. And he credits many powerful and important men in his life who helped him become the man that he is. And it's not just like, boo hoo, men have it so hard. It's looking at where we've come from, where we need to go and how all of us are affected, especially parents, right, moms, dads, everyone, when we don't have a balance really of understanding the emotional delicacy of both men and women. Does that feel fair? Jonathan?

A (30:08)

Yes, I think it's important to recognize the impact on everyone when anyone is suffering. And he talks about a unique way that men right now are suffering in ways that women are less susceptible to in terms of addiction to digital systems, gaming systems, betting systems, the new betting and gambling software that is proliferating across the Internet is more geared towards luring men in and it's having significant negative financial and emotional repercussions. The use of pornography, which is impacting men in an extremely negative way and deterring them from having a drive to go out and connect and interact and be a part of society.

B (30:59)

Dr. Cherish Michael says, as a gender scholar, a good way to put this is that toxic masculinity also includes men being told that mental health services or emotional well being is weak to seek out support. That's what toxic masculinity is, right? And it's easy to kind of throw those terms around. But the notion that we all feel what it's like, you know, when you, when you love someone, when you know someone and they won't and can't get the help that they need. What Scott Galloway notices is that when we have all of the cultural influences we're talking about, when we have online porn, when we have all these other ways that men are siloing themselves, when you add that to this toxic masculinity, it creates this, this storm that I think many women are feeling. And I've said, Sam, well, I know a lot of women who are like, how about I just date women, I can't deal with men anymore. And look for some people, that's a great choice. Knock yourselves out, enjoy your lives. But it should not be that men and women cannot connect. And Scott says, you know, he has to work very hard at stepping up Emotionally and in many cases it means putting yourself out there. He talked about incels. It means being rejected, like being rejected over and over and over. All of those nos lead to the yes, you will find your person. Right. But it takes a lot of risk. And the more men continue to silo themselves online and that is a lot of what we're seeing politically, socially, sexually. Right. The more they're kind of retreating, the more we're all kind of suffering because we need all of these things.

A (32:34)

I think that's extremely well said. Tying to one of your points, Dr. K. Healthy Gamer talks about extensive pornography use not being at all about sexual gratification, but emotional numbing.

B (32:47)

This shocked me. I thought you go there like as a dude. I thought you go there because you want to be aroused and do the thing.

A (32:55)

The arousal is actually a distraction from emotional pain and the inability to emotionally connect and to emotionally process and that. So the underlying factors here is as that men are actually fairly emotionally weak, typically speaking.

B (33:11)

Also like lot of gender, you know, like heteronormative stuff here, like total disclaimer. But yeah, women tend to be more verbal, tend to be more, it's true, like spiritually connected, like all those things

A (33:23)

socially connected as it relates to what's happening in their lives versus activity partners.

B (33:28)

And yeah, and we're, we're asking a lot of men and men are asking a lot of women. There's some really, really great comments here. Gandalf the Gray says related a lot to the growing up without a father, but there was nothing I could relate to as an adult gay man. Very interesting. Yeah, there's a lot of gender, very, very heteronormative aspects to this. But also, you know, a lot of people saying it's hard to relate to men when they are spending a lot of their time sequestered. Someone said they're just inept, like. Right. Anyway, very, very interesting.

A (34:01)

The inept is training and then the use of all of these tools to numb out and not process your emotional world. We talk about the risk of synthetic relationships, which is digital device AI geared to be a chatbot that becomes sexual in nature, becomes romantic in nature, or you're spending all of your time interacting with a system that will never tell you you're wrong, never put your stuff in your face, never ask you to support them. It's only one sided. And what does that mean for actual relationships?

B (34:36)

Also I see a little bit of back and forth here in the chat. I don't want to create, you know, strife around gender here. I think that there's. There's a lot that we didn't get to in the Scott Galloway episode. And, yeah, you know, someone said, like, when are women being asked to sort of step up? You know, I think. I think there's a lot here. But we did at least want to touch on it and touch on, you know, the notion that a lot of people did feel like, ugh, this doesn't feel as relatable. But we. We. I mean, I really value a lot of Scott's contributions. And, you know, he is. He's kind of a grumpy guy, and we were glad that we got to speak to him, though, about this. And also, he was on Oprah talking about this, so we really wanted to talk to him about it as well.

A (35:18)

I had a lot of thoughts. Oh, on my. On both of our conversations with Scott, because how to explain this? It hit a sort of intersection for me that I find so important, which is the ability to navigate the material world, get resources, make sure you have a house, and you have enough financial stability to support yourself, because the absence of that is extremely stressful. And yet you meet so many people who accomplish that and are still miserable.

B (35:52)

This is how you want to end our lives?

A (35:55)

Well, it made me really think, you know, when we asked him something that I don't think anyone has asked him in any of the interviews that I've seen. And he's been everywhere. Right. He's launched this book. He's been on a huge media tour. Yep. And I don't think we're probably the only people to ask, have you heard anything about NDEs? He had not. Have you. Have you heard about, you know, life after death? You feel at all spiritual. And he considers himself an atheist. And he says that the fact that life is finite actually offers comfort for him because he values connection. And he speaks so much about the importance of connection. In fact, he says, in a really powerful Turner phrase, he's like, if you succeed in life, if you feel happy, if you have joy, if you have success and you experience it alone, it's like it doesn't happen. And he talks about his own children and his relationship with his children, and the fact that life is finite gives him a sense of purpose to drive the importance of his relationships. And yet he also talks about how unhappy he is, how insecure he is, how he still struggles greatly with depression, how he was talking just the other day about the surgery he had and the fact that he's looking at Ferraris and he's having a midlife crisis, how Much of that is shtick. I don't know how much of that is real. It kind of feels real because it's a repeated topic. So it just. It hits this intersection between. You can know all the things about how to navigate the world and invest and. Sorry, build your career. But there's something still missing in terms of what actually brings us joy and happiness and general contentment. What is this so funny?

B (37:35)

Well, first of all, Jennifer asked, how am I chewing something that comes out of a straw? Which I think is a funny question.

A (37:42)

I feel a little on my own here. I was trying to talk this about something deep.

B (37:47)

No, I'm listening. And it is. It's very, very deep. No, I appreciate what you're saying. I also just like, kept thinking, you know, and there's something about Scott, which I would tell him to his face. Just, you know, like, I would. We would.

A (37:59)

Yeah.

B (38:00)

I'm laughing, I'm laughing, I'm naked. I was like, what did we keep that in the episode we did? What? I was thinking about a lot of the things that he said, also about dating, you know, and what it's like to try and be loved. Right. And the techniques also of men in their youth is so different from the techniques, let's say, that he utilized later in life when he wanted to be connected and serious with someone. And look, people have all different kinds of, you know, interest in relationships. But I do think it's interesting that for him, even in his kind of grumpiness and even in the ways that he still struggles with depression, he absolutely has found some comfort in being valued. Right. Which I think we all want, whether we're male, female, non binary. Right? We all wanna feel valued, we all wanna feel accepted, we all wanna feel worthy. And, you know, for most people, there's some level of emotional intimacy that we have to. To get to if we want to reap those benefits. And yeah, those benefits are not the house, the car, the job. They're just not the. The connection points that he talks about that many men think they don't need. Guess what? They do. And it's not going to be the same as for women, right? It's not going to be the same. But there's something there.

A (39:18)

It's connection points. It is absolutely a sense of belonging. I totally agree with you. And also, it feels like there's something related to how we all interact with our internal worlds on a regular basis that is coming up for me, that it's like you can try to connect externally. You can be with your kids, but if there is something wrestling inside of you that you can't metabolize, it's like going back to the Michael Singer. If your consciousness is not like, you don't have a relationship with it. If you don't have a relationship with the unknown, with a creative practice of some kind, if you don't have a sense of spirituality, I think you're setting yourself up to achieve everything and still feel that God shaped hole.

B (40:01)

Nervous system logic, TM says. How do serious scientists look at these basic primal needs from the lens of psychological rather than biological? Great, great question. And we've spoken to some really good specialists who have really addressed this. I would say David Rico is a person. I would love that episode. David Rico's episod was really, really great. Lisa Miller comes to mind. You cannot separate the psychological from the biological. We just can't. And, you know, I remember when I started studying neuroscience a million years ago, when people were like, what's that? That's not a real word. You know, when I studied neuroscience, that was my interest. Where's this intersection between the fact that I'm speaking and what you hear and what I mean and how it makes me feel? That's why I studied neuroscience. That's the brain and the nervous system. We cannot separate them out. We just can't. And our biological systems are designed to execute our psychological needs. You know, I learned this when I studied endocrinology. Right. There's the desire to copulate. For example, if you're an animal, there's the desire and there's the ability. And in animal studies, we can separate out desire from execution. So you can have an animal that has plenty of testosterone if you make the. They cannot execute that need. And yes, that's a biological need, but in primates, in humans, you have this elaborate set of needs, psychological needs and needs to be wanted and needed. I would argue there's a biology to them, too. Not to sound too much like Freud, but the notion is like, what can we piece apart? And this is what I actually think our podcast is. What are the new ways to approach the psychological and the biological so that we understand them as an extension. Right. Of our, you know, kind of existence and not something that we have to silo out to be able to quantify. Susan reminds me, correct. The spiritual, a very different dimension of this and not something we tend to talk about in at least my training in neuroscience. But, yes, we can add that to the mix, the psychological, the biological, which, again, you cannot separate. And then what is the spiritual? That's what Julian Osbridge is trying to teach us. Stop worrying so much about what it means. Start thinking about what it could mean.

A (42:23)

I'll be honest. When you said they have the testosterone but the penis isn't working, I got caught up. I was like, why isn't the penis working? What made the penis?

B (42:30)

Oh, just in all sorts of terrible experiments. Also, the penis can be working, but you don't have the hormones to make it want to work. That's when the biology is working. But that drive is not right. And that's our advertisement for Viagra.

A (42:44)

You know what? Every time I get on a live, I have no clue where this is going to go.

B (42:49)

That's just what it's like.

A (42:51)

And. And this is back to the remote viewing. We're entering the unknown. We're seeing where it goes. We don't know. You're all here with us, helping us go to these places. I will say that chat has been

B (43:03)

defense defensive about the peen. I'm just laughing at that comment.

A (43:08)

The church, the chat in this live has kind of been out of control in a good way. It's been. It's been a little wild and I love it. I love everyone who's participating. Thank you.

B (43:19)

This is so many people. If Jonathan is concerned about the penis in that conversation. Oh, no. Stephanie and Elizabeth Simpkin just joined. We have to go.

A (43:30)

But Stephanie and Elizabeth, if you have a question right now, because you just joined, we want to talk about.

B (43:35)

You just joined and we're talking about penises.

A (43:38)

It's not what this whole thing was about. This is a very spiritual conversation for

B (43:43)

all of you who are new from Facebook. We do this every week. It's typically Thursday. They're all a little bit different. If this wasn't technical enough for you, we can definitely adjust. Yeah, we do this pretty much every Thursday. I think we missed one over the holidays. But otherwise we're here. And please check out, you know, also like our general Mind Biologics breakdown page. Jonathan has his own page, which I highly recommend you also follow. Sometimes we do collaborative stuff. So important to follow him as well. His page is called Practical Spirituality and he has a lot of his own guests. Sometimes he has our guests on that he goes into more detail with. Sometimes he has me on as a guest. So make sure to follow practical spirituality. My AirPods are gonna die. That's fun. So it must be time to get

A (44:28)

off a little bit about practical spirituality. Just for context. We go into all the woo areas that Mayim rolls her eyes at and. But also make it super practical for everyday decision making. And if we have Mayim on, let's. Let's make her do the energy experiment that we all did together. My whole page felt what it was like to feel energy for the first time. Jennifer B. Tell her about it. Maybe you can convince her to try it.

B (44:55)

Is that the one where you weren't wearing your hat?

A (44:56)

She says no, this was last year. Definitely. Woo woo. But I love it. That's a endorsement for practical spirituality.

B (45:06)

Giving a shout out to Heretics Crusade. I'm sorry that I did not mention you. I was not trying to make you Anonymous. I also want to say, are we re we have an episode re airing tomorrow. Yeah.

A (45:17)

Yeah. Oh yeah. Ron Funches the comedian.

B (45:19)

Yeah, we're gonna air. Yeah.

A (45:21)

One of my best comedic moments on the podcast happens in that episode. But it's a very sweet, tender episode.

B (45:28)

He that's going to be tomorrow for people who are new.

A (45:30)

Like tomorrow on the audio on audio only.

B (45:33)

Audio only. Tomorrow a re air of our Ron Funches episode, which is really fun. I think that's it for today. We'll have more next week. We have an episode dropping on Tuesday.

A (45:44)

This is an interesting one. He's not someone we've ever spoken to before.

B (45:48)

Oh, it's a good one.

A (45:49)

It's all about meaning and purpose in such a practical and tangible way.

B (45:53)

It's really fun. It's a fun one.

A (45:54)

Anyone is trying to navigate their lives. I mean, I'm. I would love honestly to do a poll on what we should title this episode because it's about so many really interesting components. One of the favorite parts of the episode, actually, you, you say this line, you say, why are we so bad at being human? And if that isn't a summary of everything we're talking about, it just like really inspires me.

B (46:19)

For those of you who are new, come back. Let's do it again and subscribe. Also, we're glad that you're here. But also you can subscribe. There's a free subscription. There's different levels depending on what you want to get. But there's a ton you can get just for subscribing to our page. We post content here that we don't post anywhere else. We have outtakes from the episodes. We have deeper dives from the episodes that we don't include. We save them just for substack. So please join us and be part of this fun community.

A (46:45)

It's my Bialix breakdown.

B (46:48)

She's going be to break it down for you.

A (46:50)

She's got a neuroscience PhD or two, and now she's going to break down.

B (46:55)

It's a breakdown.

A (46:57)

She's going to break it down.