You Chose This Life Before You Were Born — Robert Edward Grant on Sacred Geometry, Da Vinci’s Hidden Code, Ancient Mathematics & The Simulation of Reality

Summary

Mayim Bialik’s Breakdown — Episode Summary

Episode Title

You Chose This Life Before You Were Born — Robert Edward Grant on Sacred Geometry, Da Vinci’s Hidden Code, Ancient Mathematics & the Simulation of Reality
Guest: Sir Robert Edward Grant
Date: May 26, 2026

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Brief Overview

In this inspiring, mind-bending episode, Mayim Bialik and Jonathan Cohen sit down with polymath Sir Robert Edward Grant, host of Gaia’s “Codex.” They explore the intersections of ancient knowledge, mathematics, spirituality, and consciousness—probing questions like: Can geometry unlock reality’s source code? Are we living out patterns chosen before birth? Did Da Vinci conceal universal secrets in his artwork? The conversation flows seamlessly from the Age of Aquarius to the hidden mathematics of the pyramids, to the nature of the human soul, blending hard science with deep spiritual inquiry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Age of Aquarius, Cyclical Time, and Consciousness Shifts

• Precession of the Equinoxes and the Earth’s Cycles
  • Sir Robert explains the Earth’s “seasonal” cycle: a 24,000-26,000 year wobble that aligns with astrological “Ages” ([04:30]).
    • Quote: “The Earth actually goes through long seasonal cycles... We’ve been through the winter and the dark side. We’ve just moved into the Age of Aquarius.” —Sir Robert Edward Grant ([04:28])
• Astrology and its Symbolism
  • In-depth discussion on breaking down the “Piscean” and “Aquarian” eras ([06:25–10:00]).
  • Mayim: “The Aquarian themes are rebellion, innovation, technology, community, and the unconventional.” ([11:32])
• Historical and Astronomical Contexts
  • Mayim provides a mini lesson on precession, referencing Milankovitch cycles and societal manifestations of collective consciousness change ([12:00–18:18]).

2. Music, Astrology, and Synchronicity

• Musical Astrology Game
  • They play a game: finding the Billboard #1 song on their birthdays as a form of “musical astrology” ([06:32–09:00]).
  • Notable Moment: Mayim jokes about the only lyrics in “Fly, Robin, Fly” ([08:40]).
  • Sir Robert connects music, frequency, and personal resonance through song and astrology ([09:49]).

3. Transformation Through Crisis: Personal Journey

• From Pharma CEO to Polymath Philosopher
  • Sir Robert recounts personal and professional challenges—corporate betrayal, high-stakes rescue of his company, and a spiritual awakening ([20:56–37:36]).
    • Quote: “Every very, very difficult circumstance I experienced, I finally realized...was the best thing that ever happened to me.” ([25:54])
  • Exploration of narcissism and the “hero’s journey” as universal patterns, not just individual flaws.
    • Quote: “There’s overt narcissists and there’s covert narcissists, but there’s still narcissists... If you spot it, that means you got it.” ([33:00])

4. Psycho-Spiritual Insights: Self, Shadow, and the Mirror of Reality

• Jungian Archetypes and Shadow Work
  • Deep dive into how betrayal and pain serve to teach unconditional love and self-acceptance ([41:31]).
    • Quote: “The universe didn’t happen to me. It’s happening for and through me, and I chose this.” ([41:31])
• We are God’s Mirrors
  • Profound mystical insight: “Light can’t light itself. ... Consciousness cannot perceive itself without dividing itself into mirrors. And we are those mirrors.” ([41:31])
• Integrating Darkness and Real Shadow Work
  • “I do not fear at all people that have darkness. I’m only afraid of people that believe they have none.” ([51:45])

5. Polymathy, Sacred Geometry, and the Source Code of Reality

• What is a Polymath? Why Does It Matter?
  • All knowledge is interconnected—geometry, music, philosophy, science, art, etc. ([44:56–47:00])
  • Mayim explains the Renaissance/“polymath” ideal ([66:11–69:00]).
• Math as the Language of the Universe
  • Grant positions geometry as the “QR code for your subconscious mind,” explaining that universal mathematics underpins all reality ([44:56], [60:53]).
    • Quote: “You could name anything in the world, and I’ll tell you how it’s mathematical. It is the source code.” ([44:56])
• Right Triangles as the Universal Building Block
  • Discussion of the “Grant Projection Theorem” and the special role of right triangles ([60:53]).
    • “We keep looking for this mythical shape... It’s actually just right triangles.” ([60:53])

6. The Brain as an Antenna: Consciousness and Nonlocal Mind

• Brain as Receiver, Not Hard Drive
  • Grant, echoing ideas from physics and consciousness studies, argues thoughts may be non-local and the brain an antenna ([57:59]).
    • Quote: “The brain is more like an antenna...We don’t even know where thoughts reside…they might actually be entirely non local.” ([57:59])

7. Hidden Codes and Da Vinci’s Secret Geometry

• Leonardo da Vinci, Egypt, and Sacred Proportions
  • Grant describes evidence of encrypted proportions and codes in da Vinci’s work, mirroring ancient Egyptian geometry ([71:30]).
    • Insight: Hyper-specialization narrows perspective; true wisdom is in pattern recognition across fields ([72:11]).
• Implication:
  • Renaissance polymaths and ancient civilizations encoded universal truths—even predating the Egyptians ([71:30]).

8. AI, Knowledge, and the Limits of Machine Intelligence

• Librarian vs. Researcher Analogy
  • Grant compares current AI to “a librarian that knows where to find information, but hasn’t read the book” ([74:46]).
    • True intelligence, he says, is the capacity to synthesize and generate new insight, not just reference existing knowledge ([74:46]).
• Architect AI and the Polymathic Mind
  • Grant mentions his work on Architect AI, an attempt to build systems that think more like polymaths ([74:46]).

9. Final Philosophical and Spiritual Wrap-up

• On Re-membering vs. Inventing
  • “We don’t invent anything, we’re simply remembering.” ([57:56])
• Fractals, Nested Patterns, and Universal Learning
  • Mayim and Jonathan reflect on fractals, Russian nesting dolls, and God’s own “learning process”—the idea that ultimate consciousness learns through multiplicity and mirrors ([56:11], [55:24]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Name anything in the world and I’ll tell you how it’s mathematical. It is the source code geometry, the QR code for your subconscious mind.” —Sir Robert Edward Grant ([00:00])
• “Light can’t light itself. Consciousness cannot perceive itself without dividing itself into mirrors. And we are those mirrors. Know thyself.” —Sir Robert Edward Grant ([00:08])
• “The universe didn’t happen to me. It’s happening for and through me. And I chose this.” —Sir Robert Edward Grant ([41:31])
• “I do not fear at all people that have darkness... I’m only afraid of people that believe they have none.” —Sir Robert Edward Grant ([51:45])
• “A knife cannot cut itself. Likewise, consciousness cannot perceive itself without dividing itself into mirrors. And we are those mirrors.” —Sir Robert Edward Grant ([41:31])
• “The brain is more like an antenna than it is a hard drive storage unit.” —Sir Robert Edward Grant ([57:59])
• “All music is based on right triangle relationships... That is actually the foundational basis from a physics perspective that I’m finding is actually the thing that connects the entire universe together.” —Sir Robert Edward Grant ([60:53])
• “When you change the way you see things, the things you see will change.” —Sir Robert Edward Grant ([64:02])
• “We don’t invent anything, we’re simply remembering.” —Mayim Bialik ([57:56])
• On AI:
  • “A lot of what LLMs are...AI is literally just a giant librarian that can go and search, but it can’t use that searched wisdom or knowledge to apply it to any concept of wisdom.” —Sir Robert Edward Grant ([74:46])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------| | 00:00 | Opening insight: Geometry as source code (Grant) | | 04:30 | Precession, cycles, Age of Aquarius explained | | 06:32 | Musical astrology game (Billboard birthday songs) | | 10:00 | Astrology, astronomy, and societal transition | | 20:56 | Grant’s journey: crisis, betrayal, awakening | | 33:00 | Narcissism, shadow, ego, hero/villain paradigm | | 41:31 | Profound reflection: mirrors, self, unconditional love | | 44:56 | Polymathy and mathematics as universal language | | 51:45 | Jungian integration, spiritual shadow work | | 57:59 | Brain as antenna, nonlocal consciousness | | 60:53 | Geometry, right triangles as universal connectors | | 64:02 | Egyptian pyramids, da Vinci, hidden geometry | | 71:30 | Da Vinci, Egypt, and the secrets of the polymath | | 74:46 | Critique of education and AI, Architect AI |

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Conclusion

This episode is a masterclass in pattern recognition, spiritual humility, and the pursuit of self-knowledge. Sir Robert Edward Grant’s perspective bridges the ancient and the modern, the scientific and mystical. The conversation challenges listeners to shed reductionist worldviews, to see themselves as mirrors in a cosmic dance, and to embrace the radical idea that existence itself is a grand act of re-membering—a process of returning to the universal patterns we already hold within.

Stay tuned for Part 2, promising even deeper dives into reincarnation, the Akashic field, and personal legacy.

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For those seeking further exploration:

• Watch Sir Robert’s series “Codex” on Gaia for visual and historical deep-dives
• Look up the “Grant Projection Theorem” on his website
• Reflect on your own “hero’s journey”—what patterns repeat, and what deeper lesson might they contain?

Transcript

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Name anything in the world and I'll tell you how it's mathematical. It is the source code geometry, the QR code for your subconscious mind.

[Mayim Bialik]

Most people have never seen this.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Thoughts might actually be entirely non local. Like a radio tuning in. The frequency and our heart and emotional stance determines what the dial of that radio is tuning into. When you change the way you see things, the things you see will change. Light can't light itself. Consciousness cannot perceive itself without dividing itself into mirrors. And we are those mirrors. Know thyself.

[Mayim Bialik]

Sir Robert Edward Grant has uncovered a secret code hidden in the ancient Egyptian pyramids and Leonardo da Vinci's greatest masterpieces, revealing a new understanding of our reality.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

The Earth actually goes through long seasonal cycles. We've been through the winter in the dark side. We've just moved into the age of Aquarius. That's why everything seems so bizarre. I was facing the same challenges over and over. There was a pattern tied to numerology that was directly tied also to astrology. I was always good at manifesting, but I never considered the notion that maybe I'm just remembering the path that I already chose. If you start taking off the governor of your own belief system, how much more could you experience?

[Mayim Bialik]

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[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Did you have to fight a dragon?

[Mayim Bialik]

Nope. She bought it 100% online from her bed, actually. Was it scary? Honey, it was as unscary as car buying could be. Did the car have a sunroof? It did, actually. Okay, good story. Car buying. You'll want to tell stories about your car today on Carvana. Delivery fees may apply. If you've ever blasted synth beats from your boombox or burned CDs for your besties, this one's for you. As people get older, much like their music tastes, their health needs change. AG1 is the simple daily health drink designed to deliver over 75 essential daily nutrients in pre and probiotics to support energy, digestion and mood. So you can make the most out of every decade and dance break. Learn [e-mail]. Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

[Mayim Bialik]

And welcome to our breakdown. Are we entering the Age of Aquarius? Is something happening on this planet that is opening up endless potential, creativity and the possibility for viewing the world in a way that we never have viewed it before? Our guest Today is exactly the right person to answer this question. Sir Robert Edward Grant is our guest today. He's the host of the series Codex on Gaia and he is a polymath, an inventor, an entrepreneur, a mathematician, a philosopher. His knowledge spans every single field that you can think of. And he talks about how all of these fields have a common message and a common way that we can understand consciousness, the nature of reality, and our spiritual potential.

[Jonathan Cohen]

This conversation touches so many different areas that Mayim and I actually reflected back and thought there are so many details that we didn't get to cover that we wanted to revisit some of those sections and insert more explanation to help ground the conversation.

[Mayim Bialik]

We're going to cover everything from Egypt to Leonardo da Vinci to geometry to music and the one universal message all fields contain. It's a pleasure to welcome in person Sir Robert Edward Grant to the Breakdown. Break it down.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Thank you. Great to be here with you.

[Mayim Bialik]

I have to say it's very strange because you have jumped off of my computer screen and into our podcast studio. I've been really enjoying Codex and, you know, you're in like a blazer and just the sound of your voice is very soothing. But it's just very exciting to have you here in person so that we can have our personal, our own personal time with you. So welcome.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I'm going through a transformation, as you can see, because actually I'm still the guy in the blazer. There's no difference. But I think all of us are going through. Well, many of us are going through major transition right now. And I think it has a lot to do with spirituality, but it also has a lot to do with where the earth is in its cycle.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Say more.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Well, I think one of the things that you might have seen in Codex is I talk about the precession of equinox. And the precession of equinox is, some would say between a 24,000 and a 26,000 year cycle. And we just went through the vernal equinox, which was on 2012. And as we go through that, then we start to now go into the spring. So it's the notion that the Earth actually goes through long seasonal cycles as well. So we've been through the winter and the dark side. You've probably seen the whole television series called Game of Thrones or they kept saying, winter is coming, winter is coming. And they're not referring to that year. It's like a long cycle of winter. And during this long cycle of winter, we end up in dark ages. We end up in like hibernation mode from a consciousness perspective. And then as we move into spring and summer, we move into the golden age of where humanity goes. And that this is a backdrop that was described, in a sense, by Plato when he described the great year. And so I think what we're now going into, because we're just moved into the Age of Aquarius, which is approximately a 2,000 to 2,160 year cycle. And everything changes because that backdrop of consciousness in this grand play, this majestic play that we're living out, it has a different set change every couple thousand years. The last 2,000 years, we were in the age of Pisces, the Piscean age. And Pisces is two fish swimming opposite directions tied together by a rope. Right? And that could represent so many aspects, whether it's male and female. Right. Whether it's like the opposite of yin yang. It's like, flip them around, they're going the opposite directions. Or you could say it's like science and spirituality. Science and spirituality were not always historically entirely separated. And what we're now realizing is that it's not really that those two things are totally juxtaposed to each other, just as light and darkness are actually just two sides of the same coin.

[Mayim Bialik]

Can you talk a little bit about the Age of Aquarius? Right. This is something many of us know from the musical, right? And this is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Actually, that's the song. I don't know if you know this, but if you go back in time, we could actually do it for fun. Go back in time to the week that you were born and then look up on Billboard's chart, number one song the week of your birth. It's like another type of astrology.

[Mayim Bialik]

I want to do it.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Let's do it right now.

[Mayim Bialik]

Should we do it right now?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.

[Mayim Bialik]

So wait, what am I supposed to do?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Billboard charts. Your birthday. Billboard charts. Just ask, you know, on Google, what was the number one song? I don't know how to do that. Billboard.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay. I don't know. Just.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Just go.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I'm doing it.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay. Just. Okay.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Number one song the week of your birth.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Top song on Billboard 100 was Fly Robin Fly.

[Mayim Bialik]

What?

[Jonathan Cohen]

By Silver Convention.

[Mayim Bialik]

I don't even know if I know that song.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And she knows every song that's ever been made.

[Mayim Bialik]

I do.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

So you know what? I bet you if you listen to it, you would know it. But if you just look up the lyrics, let's read the lyrics.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Okay, hold on.

[Mayim Bialik]

All right, let's open the lyric.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Not.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah. Also jive talking. I mean, that's a pretty.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Jive talking was also best of my love. That was.

[Jonathan Cohen]

My love was.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

You know what? Okay, so I think kung fu fighting was as well. Think about it.

[Jonathan Cohen]

That's really her.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Okay. Everybody was kung fu fighting. Yeah, that's right. Exactly. So here's the thing. Just as we have astrology, everything in the universe is all part of this gigantic symphony. And just as you have different frequencies that relate to the different planets, even the songs that showed up are related to those same frequencies. And so they basically imbue and embed into your psyche.

[Mayim Bialik]

What are the lyrics to Fly, Robin, Fly?

[Jonathan Cohen]

Haven't gotten them yet. It seems a little harder.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Robin, fly Da da, da, da.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You have this voice. We haven't heard you singing before. Well, I am a musician, so I have not got.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay, I got.

[Jonathan Cohen]

You have them.

[Mayim Bialik]

I've got them. Oh, wow.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Fly, Robin, fly Fly, Robin, fly.

[Mayim Bialik]

Literally, the only lyrics to the song,

[Jonathan Cohen]

up to the sky.

[Mayim Bialik]

Wait, it's three verses?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

The lyrics of which are the same in every verse, which is the tedium that I am living. And the lyrics are only, fly, Robin, fly up, up to the sky.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Okay.

[Mayim Bialik]

I'm assuming the music must fill in all those other blanks.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I'm going to look up mine just out of curiosity.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

So look up yours.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Top song was Donna Summers. Hot stuff.

[Mayim Bialik]

I mean,

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

there you go. There you go. There you go. There you go.

[Mayim Bialik]

This is a fun game. Okay, sorry, we got a little bit off.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Now you can look at mine. Look up mine.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay, so what's yours?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

May 16, 1969.

[Mayim Bialik]

So the number one song is Aquarius, Let the Sunshine in, which is the wow song to a show that we were recently watching. So you feel that you were born into some Aquarian.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

This is the dawn of the Age of Aquarius wow. When the moon is in the second house and the sun. You know they've heard the word.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

When the moon is in the second house and Jupiter aligns with Mars and peace will rule the planets and love will guide the stars this is the dawning of the age Aquarius yeah, you know it

[Mayim Bialik]

before we go on. And this is one of the incredible things about Robert, is that we started talking about the Age of Aquarius. We started talking about what is this era that he is transforming into, that we are all transforming into. And it became a conversation about music. Right. And that's sort of how his brain. Brain works. And that's how all of our brains are actually designed to work. So we got from the Age of Aquarius to this notion of the Earth's rotation, and then it went to music. I'm going to take us on a little journey through, just a little one, through the Age of Aquarius from an astronomy perspective. And it's important to remember astronomy and astrology are not the same thing. But where is that kind of overlap? So the Age of Aquarius is an astrological concept. Right. But it does have astronomical basis. So it's an astrological era that is linked to the shift of the Earth's axis, which is known as the precession of the equinoxes. And this is an actual thing in astronomy. But what astrology has noted is that it's a transition from Pisces to Aquarius, meaning from Pisces being dominant to Aquarius being dominant. And as we know in astrology, there are different characteristics for all of the zodiac signs. And Jonathan, I'm wondering, can you tell us, do you know what Aquarians are known for? What. What someone who's an Aquarius is known for?

[Jonathan Cohen]

It's a water sign. If I am accurate in my.

[Mayim Bialik]

It's got the word aqua in it.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And water is known to be fluid, emotional.

[Mayim Bialik]

Okay.

[Jonathan Cohen]

That's kind of all I know, actually, so that's great.

[Mayim Bialik]

The Aquarian themes are rebellion.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Oh yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

Innovation, technology, community, and the unconventional. So that is this kind of era that we are moving into. That's what the Age of Aquarius is. However, I. I do want to talk a little bit about what's actually happening because it's linked, as Robert told us, to this sort of 24 to 26, 000 year cycle. Like, what the heck is that? So we know that the, the planet, it revolves in its own orbit. And that's how we know when it's day or when it's night is when the Earth is rotating. And it's either like Moon, sun, great. But the Earth is also rotating around the sun, so it is spinning by itself. And this is me following an elliptical pattern that you can't see, but it's in my mind's eye. So it's circling and going around the sun as well.

[Jonathan Cohen]

It's like a whirling dervish where it is whirling and then also in relation to other things.

[Mayim Bialik]

What happens is 364 and a quarter, 365 days. That is a full year. But here's the thing that's fun and special. The Earth doesn't actually rotate like a perfect spinning top. It it rotates like a wobbling spinning top.

[Jonathan Cohen]

So like a drunk whirling.

[Mayim Bialik]

Like a drunk whirling dervish. So what happens is sometimes the top of the Earth's axis, like when you think of the North Pole, sometimes that points to Polaris, which is a star, but sometimes it points to Vega. And you might be thinking, what is that big difference? It's a huge difference. And each full wobble that it takes is between 24 and 26,000.

[Jonathan Cohen]

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[Jonathan Cohen]

Just a blink of an eye.

[Mayim Bialik]

Correct. So if you're wondering why Robert referenced like, well, you know, between 24 and 26,000, that's what it is. That's the wobble of the Earth. It's not a perfect rotation and that does indicate a different position of stars.

[Jonathan Cohen]

If I'm extrapolating.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

The point of the pole, depending on the star that it's most connected to, is going to feed the Earth with a different energetic resonance, which is going to create a different mood, mentality and opportunity here on this planet.

[Mayim Bialik]

Great. So in, in astrology, if you break down this 26, roughly 26,000 year cycle of procession is what it's called. If you break it down into the 12 zodiac signs, you get different qualities, as it were, and the one that we are entering into, and again this was a song in the 60s is the age of Aquarius.

[Jonathan Cohen]

This is a little bit of my problem is that they've been singing about it since the 60s. It's been taking a minute to get to it.

[Mayim Bialik]

So most astrologers hold that the age of Pisces, that's the one before the age of Aquarius began roughly around the year 200. So like just for fun, look up what the world looked like in 200. That was the age of Pisces. At some point we should be entering the age of Aquarius. Was it in the 1960s? I don't know if you're looking at a 26000 year span. The 60s wasn't very long ago, so it could have been then, it could be tomorrow, it could be next year, we're not sure. But that's the age of Aquarius. The other thing that I wanted to mention, and this is from a really cool NASA link that we can include, is that all of these kinds of cycles were actually determined about a century ago by a Serbian incredible scientist. He was an astronomer, he was a climatologist, he, he kind of did everything. And his last name was Milankovitch and so they're called the Milankovitch cycles. When you look into these things and, and he's one of the first who looked at the changes in eccentricity of the wobble of the Earth. So I just wanted to mention that another thing that's important to point out in terms of what Robert's talking about is when the collective Consciousness begins to shift. And this is something Lee Harris talked about with us, Daryl Anka, when he, you know, talked about Bashar. This is sort of this conversation about what does it look like when existing systems fight back to an elevation of vibration, Right, Or a. A collective consciousness beginning to shift. It can look like political turmoil, institutional breakdown, the rise of authoritarian leadership, which is why a lot of people see what's going on in the world as a possible hint that the Age of Aquarius is upon us. We may see increase polarization, ideological extremes. So entering the Age of Aquarius, you know, is just one piece of sort of a larger puzzle that so many of our guests have talked about. And obviously I saw it in Robert just when he walked in because he looks so different. And as he said, he's undergoing a transformation now that we've covered the dawning of the Age of Aquarius. And also, what a cool musical game to play. We're so curious to hear what songs were Billboard number ones when you all were born. We wanted to find out from Robert kind of how he got here. He's a very interesting background and he's going to talk about it. Let's hear a little bit more about how that transformation needed to occur. When did you first have an indication that you could be in touch with these kinds of things?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

When I was a big pharma CEO.

[Mayim Bialik]

Hmm.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Sounds kind of funny, right?

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

A lot of people think that astrology is just mumbo jumbo, but without understanding. And they also think that mythology is mumbo jumbo. What if I told you that those things, whether they're astrological in their nature or mythological in nature, they're simply archetypal and go into Jungian psychology. And then you start realizing that all of these things have deeper symbolic meanings. So I had always felt like, well, geez, we often say that there's no truth to astrology. And so from a reductionistic scientist perspective, we can't even apply any kind of logic behind the thinking of it, but yet millions and billions of people follow it every day in some way, shape or form. And there must be something to it if that many people are actually following it. And same thing with mythology. Maybe the mythos that we're seeing and we're hearing the stories about are actually the things that we're living in our life and we just haven't done yet because we're cycling through time in a hero's journey. And that hero's journey is something that we don't really realize because we come in here into this world. We're born into a world of separation. We're born into a world where we think, okay, I'm in this material world and everything is separate from me. And so I start building up my Persona more and more, not through what I decide I'm going to be, but rather what I decide what I'm not going to be. Because those things that bring me shame and blame and guilt and pain are the things I say I'm not that. And then instead of me recognizing that I maybe am those things as well, I start blaming other people for being those things. And that's narcissistic self projection. And then we just continue on until we become absolute narcissists by the time we're in our midlife. And we have a hero bias. And we believe that we have to be existing so that we can only define ourselves by where the villain begins. So where the villain begins is where the hero ends, and vice versa. I just read a quote yesterday that showed every dragon births a slayer. And I think from a philosophical perspective, we start to realize that there's something more to this archetypal knowledge. So I started noticing patterns in my own life and seeing that I was facing the same challenges over and over and over again in the corporate world, in my personal relationships and my friendships and everything. And as I started realizing those patterns, I started noticing that there was a pattern tied to numerology that was directly tied also to astrology, that was tied to some hidden geometric form. And music is just the geometry we experience with our ears.

[Mayim Bialik]

I loved how you talked about music and one of the Codex episodes, I can't remember which, and it may come up in a few places, but this notion that that's sort of your brain's way of showing we can use both sides in this beautiful way, but that they're kind of mirror images of each other.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

That's right. So we are living in a world of mirrors, and we live at that boundary of the mirror. And that boundary is defining a conscious Persona and a subconscious collective or collective unconscious. And that's exactly where I believe we're living. And so instead, in that context, then when you finally transcend beyond this notion that we live in a material world, but actually we live in a mentalism world, because you don't experience the world as it actually is. We all experience the earth. And our experience here is as we are, not as it is. We can't separate our conditioning bias. And so we could say then in that context that maybe all of academia is some sort of hallucination to believe that their version of objectivity is actually objective. When there's no such thing as objective experience, there's only subjective experience. I've never once had an objective experience, not in science, not anywhere, because I can't separate. And this is what happens with Big Pharma. You know, clinical trials, they get so ensconced in believing this is what it has to be, that you can create the outcomes, right? This is like the Hawthorne effect. If you go and, and weigh yourself every day, the chances you'll be able to lose weight because you're micro changing, making titrations to your own belief system that you're going to lose weight because your expectation, if I'm standing on a scale every day, I better be losing weight. Or if you're fearing too much that you're going to gain weight, every time you step on the scale, you'll actually gain weight too. So this idea that we live in a material universe, I think is an entirely wrong supposition. And I think that the, the evidence is very, very much pointing to that, that you can't separate your experience from your own conditioning bias.

[Jonathan Cohen]

When you started to have that realization as an executive, was there a moment that you were like, my journey is now over here. What was that transition for?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

You know, it was funny because I. My career was kind of very unusual. I always was like, kind of. I don't know. When I was born in Texas, my mother tells me the story that one kid a year in the hospital I was born in, and they were not wealthy at all, they were quite poor. And one kid a year is given a silver spoon. And so I was the kid that got the silver spoon. So it shows up in the newspaper and everything like a child born with a silver spoon, even though I was not born with a silver spoon at all. And so I get the silver spoon, and on my 50th birthday, my parents came and gave me the plaque with the silver spoon and everything in it in this beautiful box and all. And it happened to be exactly around the same time as well, that we went to the moon, right? Or purportedly. And this was the Apollo 11 mission. Right, the Apollo 11 mission. And so it's kind of interesting because as we start to form our Persona, we start to separate out even gender. So that becomes the thing that we're not, right? And then as we get through life and we start realizing what got me here won't get me there. And I was in a work situation that I always just had, like this incredible luck, like Every time I would fall in a pile of shit, I would end up somehow coming out better off than before I fell in the pile of shit. And I could never understand it. It was like this weird thing. People would say I was, like, born with, like a. You know, I could always pull a rabbit out of my backside, always. And I would take massive risks, always huge risks. And then somehow it wouldn't always go exactly as I wanted, but it would always turn out for the better. So no matter what the circumstance was, I was always blessed. Right. So it's like every very, very difficult circumstance I experienced, I finally realized, looking back on it, that it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Now, was that just my attitude, did that then create the outcomes that led to that? I don't really know. But what I can tell you is that I was constantly lucky. And I was also facing the same challenges over and over and over again. I couldn't understand why. And in about 2016, I had one of the companies. I was a president of Allergan Medical, which was a big pharma company. Allergan makes Botox, Juvederm, Lap Band, Latisse. Those are all my products. I launched those, made them like household names, and had thousands of employees. And I was kind of a high flyer in my 30s, right? And then I became, at 40, I became CEO of Bausch and Lom Surgical, which is like another big giant corporation. And then I left that, and I wanted to learn the secret sauce of private equity. And then after doing that for a few years, I realized, oh, the secret is there's no sauce. It's just debt. And if you know how to play the debt. And I became like a master at the financial side of things. I figured that out. But I was always an operating leader and I loved doing it. That's what I did. I would do, like, big turnarounds. And I always had, like, this lucky somehow, I don't know, you know, the rabbit's foot or something. I always had some sort of aspect that would just kind of carry around with me that always made me lucky. And then finally, I faced a huge crisis in 2016, and I thought I was out of rabbits. Like, no more rabbits to pull. I had my own company. No, I had my own company. I'd founded it in 2012. And then it got to unicorn status. It was over a billion dollar valuation within two years of me founding the company. And then next thing I know, like, one of the VCs that backed it decided to get kind of greedy. Because the way it works with VC world is that if everything goes exactly as the CEO plans, the VC will make two times their money. If everything doesn't go as a CEO plans and they hit a bump in the road and it could just be exogenous market related, then the VC makes three to five times their money and then if things really go bad with the outer market, then the VC can make 10 times their money. And so this is why they're called Vulture capital very often, because they just then take the equity of the founder and cram them down, let's call it a cram down, right? And so they do a next round valuation and they have all kinds of anti dilution protections. And so as a result the money that they put in at a billion dollar valuation, if they could push the valuation down to 200 million, it gets rehypothecated to the new valuation. So if you put 50 million in at a billion dollars, you have, you know, less than 5% of the company, like 4% or something like that. And if you could get the companies next round and you can block them from getting any other investment from other parties and make their life difficult, then you could push them down to a $200 million valuation. Right, because they have no other way to get money in the company. And if they're burning a lot of capital, then you've got them dead to rights. And so then the VC comes back to them and says, okay, I'm going to do this at $200 million valuation now. So my 50 million is now 25% of the company. This is the game. So I went through one of these. I don't know anyone who survived this type of thing as a CEO. Luckily I did. I was able at the very last second I had to raise $55 million in one day or I was going to lose all the control in one day. And somehow I pulled a rabbit out and raised $55 million in a day.

[Mayim Bialik]

Was that from one person?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

It was 40 million from one group. And it was, it had to be one of the current investors.

[Mayim Bialik]

Wow.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

It was 40 million from one group and it was 15 million from me and my backers, right? Who? And so I kind of was like, whoa, that was a close one because I was going to lose it all if I didn't raise 55 million. I thought that's nearly, I mean it's absolutely impossible to do that. So when I did finally then I kind of was like completely freaked out because I felt like I won, but I lost the war. I Won the battle, but I lost the war. Because the carnage that came as a result of that, I mean, you can't believe what these VCs will do. They'll go to the people that are loyalist to you and they'll basically say, if you back us in this plan, then we'll give you like zero value stock options and so you'll be able to make a billion dollars off of this type of thing. Look, we're all going to do this if we can cram down the company, we all get a better deal. And we just didn't want the CEO. So all they're really doing is just stealing the CEO's equity. And so what it did is it caused me to go, why in the heck did I have. Because I had about a thousand employees at that time. I said I had probably 700 of them had worked for me before at different companies, had been absolute loyalists and everything. But as soon as they were faced with, you know, not having their own income guaranteed, right, then all of a sudden their ethics flipped to, oh, this is unethical, and whatever is expedient for them and beneficial to them becomes their moral imperative. So it just told me there's no such thing as ethics. It's complete bullshit. It's only what will benefit you. And we lie to ourselves and everybody else and say, oh, whatever it is that will benefit me financially or socially or reputationally is the moral imperative. Without a doubt, that's what we do. Look at politics for details.

[Mayim Bialik]

So how did this lead to a shift for you?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

I started realizing that everything that I thought was a fact, that I had built my entire outer world on believing that the outer world was separate from me. And I was like trying to be a hero in this world as a narcissist does. And narcissism, something I believe every one of us goes through, it is not something even people that claim to be, you know, people that are empaths. Some of the most narcissistic people I've ever met are the people that claim to be empaths. And they all about how it influences

[Jonathan Cohen]

them and impacts them.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Yeah, absolutely. They're like minarch this, minarch that, you know, and then everyone's got to be toting or all around them and make them. It's like they're just covert narcissists. They just don't realize it. So there's overt narcissists and there's covert narcissists, but there's still narcissists and. And it's just like this. You know, it's like if you. If and I started noticing this that the people that called out other people for being arrogant were the most arrogant people. And. And so it's like if you spot it, that means you got it. So I started seeing the hypocrisy in everything I started noticing, oh well, why is it that policemen choose to be cops?

[Jonathan Cohen]

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[Mayim Bialik]

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[Jonathan Cohen]

Well, that's why then our media often is reflective of that. You know, how many stories is it the cop, right on the edge, he gets left over. It's always totally right.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

And lawyers, you could say the same thing. And judges and all these different professions. People that choose to be doctors, right? It's like, what is the real intention? Oh, I want to be Doogie Howser or. No, you want to be recognized for being smart, and you want to get paid a lot of money for doing that, too. So there's this side of it that is, I'm doing this for the patients. So we always want to put on the white coat like the big pharma company does, right? And so they can go and sell the idea that, okay, I'm going to launch a drug like provenge that cost $100,000 per treatment for, you know, prostate cancer. And I can justify that because I'm helping people.

[Mayim Bialik]

So what was that? What was it like for you to step out of that? What did your life look like?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Well, it was a massive shift. So what happened was I still retained control of the company, and I still remained as vice chairman of the. And I had 90% of the voting rights in the company, but I left as CEO. So I stepped out because I was like, wait, this is. Why am I experiencing this kind of betrayal? So I asked myself the bigger, deeper question. It's like, why did I choose this? For the first time in my life, it wasn't. Why did something happen to me? Because that's what the narcissist does. The narcissist is constantly deflecting and constantly. It's like when Adam is in the Garden of Eden, he eats the apple and God shows up. Adam, where were you? I was hiding. Why were you hiding? Oh, because I'm naked. Who told you you're naked? Did you eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Yeah. The woman that you gave me and commanded I should remain with her, she's the one that bit. She gave me the fruit of the Tree of knowledge of good and evil. And I did eat. Eve, what did you do? The serpent beguiled me and I did eat. So the first time, it says in the Bible that Adam felt ashamed. The first translation of that ashamedness, right? That shame feeling was blame instantly. And that's the deflection that we all do. And that's how we build up for the first half of our life, right? The name of God is supposed to be I am that I am, right? But the first half of our life, as we go through this narcissistic arc, it's I am not that I'm not. And then when we finally realize, wait, it's not. It's just like the scene in the Matrix where Neo is sitting on the park bench and the oracle says, you want a candy? And he says, well, you already know if I'm going to take a candy or not, so why are you even asking? And she says, look, if I didn't already know this, then I wouldn't be much of an oracle. And she says, but that's not the important question. The important question is not what you will choose, it's why you already chose what you chose. And to me, that's where I started realizing, okay, we're living this life, this outer world is more of a you inverse as a mirror reflection of what's inside of us than it is a universe.

[Mayim Bialik]

This is another great place to, to jump in because one of the things that I really appreciate about Robert's perspective, he sees all parts of himself. He sees the part of himself that was the successful CEO. And I mean, these are huge companies that he's talking about. And as you know, like, this is no small thing to succeed in that business. What kind of personality would you say you have to have to succeed in that world?

[Jonathan Cohen]

I mean, it's sad and scary to say that most personality types who succeed at the highest level of corporate America are semi ruthless, unemotional, very pragmatic, and you want, you can want to take care of people, but as he says, the incentive structure of these organizations is such that you got to take care of your own. And as soon as you're at risk, it's kind of battle on all fronts.

[Mayim Bialik]

Well, and what he talks about is, you know, we hear this word narcissism and it's such like a buzzword for us, right? And it's on social media and he's a narcissist and she's a narcissist. But what he talks about is that everyone has to go through that sort of phase and the world that he came from, that business world, it's a real kind of shadow side. And as he's going to talk about, you know, when we think about Jungian psychology, and Jung was obviously a student of Freud, right? And extrapolated and did a lot of different things than Freud did. But one of the main things that Jungian psychology gave us is parts work, shadow work. What are the darkest parts of ourselves and what's the opposite of. Of the darkest parts of ourself? And how can we find it and be that person? So I'm so excited that Robert can speak to kind of literally both sides of it and also give us a bit of a guideline into what shadow integration looks like and how the things that he saw about himself became the impetus for transforming into something truly magnificent. So what was the message that you were able to glean about yourself?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

That my. My life's journey, and I started noticing the pattern that I had experienced over and over and over again with increasing intensity, was to experience betrayal. Now, why did I choose to experience betrayal? Because I really came here to learn unconditional love. So what's the opposite of unconditional love? Betrayal. We come to this place to experience limitation for source Creator. That's what I believe. What's the one thing that God cannot experience in his or her omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence. It's the one thing that it cannot experience without us. And it also cannot experience the ability to see itself without some form of mirror. And we are those mirrors. You know, I can't see itself without the aid of a mirror. A light can't light itself. A fire can't burn itself. A knife can't cut itself. Likewise, consciousness cannot perceive itself without dividing itself into mirrors. And we are those mirrors. So we each have a job in that process. Our job is to be the most unique mirror we can be and stop trying to be somebody else and realize that you are everything else. That's when the arc of narcissism ends. Because you realize, wait, I'm doing this for myself. The universe didn't happen to me. It's happening for and through me. And I chose this. And why did I choose it? Well, because I wanted to learn unconditional love. And the only way to learn unconditional love and to absolutely experience unconditional love is to fully accept its opposite. Because until I've learned how to fully accept betrayal that it exists, I haven't yet learned unconditional love.

[Mayim Bialik]

So what have the past 10 years kind of shown you on this journey?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

It's shown me the most beautiful thing that, like, the most viable asset to the entire universe is our individuality, every single one of us. And so we go through different stages. We think that our job is to be a hero. And we have this in the Matrix, right? We have this bias to believe that we. We should be a hero. And with that, hero ness means we have to identify villains. And so that means that, like let's say, for example, we don't realize that everything we. Everything we judge is actually what we'll attract. You will attract everything you judge until you no longer judge what you attracted. So let's say you pick your thing. It could be deforestation. So you want to stop deforestation because that's your hero mission. So who's the villain? The villain are the big deforestation companies, right? So you're going to stand in front of the bulldozer and stop it and do the selfie and show everybody that you're being a hero to stop the villain of deforestation. But didn't I just say that you attract everything you judge until you no longer judge what you attract? So what then happens if that's true? Then you end up living in a world that's literally surrounded by deforestation. You're creating it and you don't even realize it.

[Mayim Bialik]

I think one of the things that would be helpful for us to kind of give people a grounding. When you sort of approach any sort of problem, you're approaching it from a variety of angles. Can you talk about being a polymath and sort of what that means? And also historically, what are some examples we can look to?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

So polymathy is just, you know, having many learnings. And math, the original word mathematics did not mean the study of quantity or the science of quantity as it does today. It was Aristotle who decided to narrow the definition of the word mathematics to that terminology. He was more like a botanist who would like to make classifications. And so he wanted to narrow it down. But the original name, mathematics, was all learning. Mathematics was like a language of learning, and it's the underpinning that all things have. There's nothing. You could name anything in the world, and I'll tell you how it's mathematical, and you just maybe didn't perceive it as such, but everything is. It is the source code. And so the polymaths often started off as mathematicians and geometers because there's something with geometry, I like to think of it as a QR Code for your subconscious mind. You look at this geometric form, it's kind of like putting your phone with a camera on top of a QR code. It takes you to a different URL address. And what's happening when you look at geometry is your subconscious mind is going to a different URL address and it's to a different website that's called Aquarian Os. Think of it like this. It starts to then download to you at a subconscious level. You're not even aware of it. A whole new environment and a whole new outer world that subtly changes as you change. As you change, the world around you starts to change. So each polymath was realizing this path of the hero's journey, which is the Joseph Campbell story, you know, more than 10,000 stories throughout human history told over campfires and everything where people would come together and they would talk about, you know, the same archetypal story that we see every day on television and in film and in books. And so what I started realizing was that, wow, what we think the outer world is, is not actually what the outer world is. Maybe it's just a backdrop for us to experience this separation, to go through our own hero's journey and that each one of us has a hero's journey that we're basically living out. And this is very much what, you know, Carl Jung would say or Maslow would also say. And then to be able to learn how to transcend those lower level desires and take it up to the higher points, you know, from the lower body up into the higher points of the body and the crown, that would then lead you to a transcendence where you would no longer perceive the world as dualistic. And when you realize that and you start realizing that everything I thought was a fact is actually just a facet of a larger prism of truth. That prism I wasn't aware of because I didn't understand that there was even a larger prism to perceive. And that's the stage where you go from narcissism. Narcissism is the belief that only your perspective is real and that everyone else is delusional or wrong. But there is a transcendence above that. So you can go to the stage of. And this is the first doorway you have to go to is you have to realize that there is no objective truth. There's only a subjective truth, because we all experience it subjectively. So does that mean that there's no discernment? No, it does not. And are there different pathways that get you places without having to have as much Suffering, Yes. And the best way I can describe that is a mathematical way. So one of the things I've spent a lot of time working on is, because I work in cryptography as well, is on factorization. So prime factorization. So you probably know that the foundation of all encryption today is based on factorization, with the exception of the quantum protocols. And so, like, if I said to you, your bank account right now is the number 35, and the private keys are 5 and 7. Now they can publish 35. And that would be if you just took that number and made it much, much, much, much larger, actually, exactly how encryption works. And the reason why this works is if I said, well, okay, what are the two factors of 35? You have it memorized, you say 5 and 7. That's easy. But if I said, well, okay, let's make your public key encryption, you know, 12,193. What are the two factors of that? And it's going to take you longer through trial and error to find out that it's 89 and 137. And then you keep expanding that number. And each time you expand it 10 times harder, you get a number with 600 digits, the amount of time, computationally it would take for you to find the two factors of that number. And there's only one needle in the haystack that creates a perfect square. The only answer to that is going to take 300 trillion years to find, unless there's a geometric method that uses resonance to find it, which is one of the things that I have worked on. And then you realize, okay, so there's infinite ways to get to the number four. I could multiply any infinite number of numbers to get to the number four. But there's only one way to get there, through a perfect square in the real plane. And that's two times two. So even though everyone can have a different pathway to their truth, there's one most resonant truth. There's one that is as the highest resonance. It doesn't mean that it's the only truth. It just means it has the highest resonance and the least amount of impediment to the path of getting there. And it's the fastest as well. So this is where I started realizing, okay, the transcendence of perspective and usually the distance between the two factors is what defines how long it takes to find that number. So it's kind of like how long does it take for two countries that have very, very different backgrounds to come to resolution on a topic? Right? And the truth will Always. Just as Shakespeare says. Right. The truth shall be found in the center. But the problem is, if you don't know the distance between these two numbers, then how do you find the distance? How do you find the center point with no distance?

[Mayim Bialik]

It seems also that, you know, a lot of what this kind of thinking is doing is taking the literal and expanding it out not just to the conceptual, but kind of to a spiritual level.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Yes.

[Mayim Bialik]

Right. Can you talk a little bit about guided geometry? In particular, I'm interested in. And sort of what it means to have sort of a spiritual relationship with not only numbers, but shapes.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I think it's interesting in this conversation that there's levels of reflection that are happening when you talk about God using us as reflections of consciousness. Each system that you're talking about has its own reflection in it.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Yes. And that actually takes you back to. This is why you probably heard the old Socrates statement. That's probably much older than Socrates as well, which is, know thyself. It's the two simple words that are the most difficult thing we will ever do. And I don't think it's something that ends because, you know, you're omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent consciousness, the universe, is expanding at the speed of light just as consciousness is expanding at the speed of light. So it's like, wait a minute. Does that mean that God continues to learn? Yeah, I believe that. And that why. Why exist unless you can actually learn all of your aspects? I mean, even shadow consciousness is the hardest thing that we all do. Right. We learn to integrate our shadow from a Jungian perspective and the anima and animus and that process of learning yourself and being revealed, that aspect of yourself that you thought was not you and that you had deflected all along. It's a very humbling process in a very introspective and spiritual way. So what then occurs for us is we have to start realizing that. Wait a minute. I'm the master of my fate. I'm the captain of my soul. Right. It's like one of my favorite poems is by William Ernest Henley. And he says, out of the night that covers me, black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be for my unconquerable soul and the fell clutch of circumstance. I have not winced nor cried aloud. Under the bludgeonings of chance. My head is bloodied, yet unbowed. Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the horror of the shade and yet the menace of the years finds and shall find me unafraid. It matters not how straight the gate, how charged with punishments the scroll. I am the master of my fate. I'm the captain of my soul. And when we're in our most narcissistic state, in a way, we're at the fulcrum of that battle of being the belief that, wait, the world is happening to me. I have to fight and be the hero and win and vanquish the villain. Without realizing that you are the villain. Every one of us is. And I do not fear at all people that have darkness because all of us have darkness. I'm only afraid of people that believe they have none. So this is the realization of what the awakening truly is. It's realizing the aspects of the self that you have put away in your journey through the Ark up until the ordeal, and then it starts to accumulate back into you. And that's when you're coming back to the AT1 ment. That's your atonement. And then you return with the elixir. The elixir is just memory of who you were all along.

[Mayim Bialik]

I need to stop here because there's so much dense, intense information that Robert just talked about. And this notion of us needing to. To kind of have mirrors, to have opposite sides, this notion that God is learning. I mean, it's such a mystical concept. And I love how he's combining it with practicality. Right. A light can't light itself. A knife can't cut itself. The way we talk about it, it's like you can't see light if you don't have dark. Right. You need kind of those sides. But he takes it to the spiritual level of God creating all these different facets. Because the only thing God cannot do by God's self is perceive God's self. Does that make sense?

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yes. And there's something core in all of his research and the way that he ties ideas together, which is that every part of our existence is a set of reflective patterns. So when he's talking about sacred geometry and finding that sacred geometry and thinking about how the earth rotates and thinking about what part of the solar system we're connected to, it's all these reflective patterns as we are a reflective pattern for the existence of God to know itself. Nature is a reflective pattern of our science and our medicine. And so he just goes deeper and deeper and deeper. It's a series of Russian nesting dolls where you just open the next layer and the next layer and the next layer, and you see that it's actually all the Same.

[Mayim Bialik]

Well, and so, like, what I thought of was fractals. You know, I thought of fractal patterns which occur in nature, and also psychedelic stickers that you want to put on your computer and your water bottle. But this notion that everything is repeating in some way and it's kind of like the more you zoom out, the less different we are, right? I mean, like, I know that's like what you tell a 5 year old, right, or a 10 year old, but that notion that there's so many repeating patterns and that we're so focused on divisiveness, we're so focused on borders and territory and identity and immigration and all these super important things, but like, from this, you know, 30,000 foot or 30,000 light year, you know, away view, that's all, it's all similar. And that's what sort of our human experience is. And whether you believe in God or something mystical or kind of some other kind of observer, that's the only thing that an observer cannot do by itself, is observe itself. And that's sort of what we're here for. Robert's gonna get into more about some of this complexity and all this beautiful intricacy. And we're also gonna get into a conversation about the brain as an antenna and not hard drive storage, which as a neuroscientist I love so much because my entire 12 years of study were about, what does it do? Where is it? Can I dissect it? Did I dissect it wrong? The answer was always yes. But, like, what's the location of the function of the thing? And what he's gonna talk about is the, the brain and thoughts. Those are not easy to encapsulate in the way that anatomical structures are. And there's a reason for that and a larger purpose. So let's get back into the con conversation. You know, this notion that we don't invent anything, we're simply re remembering.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

That's right, yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

Can you talk a little bit about that?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Oh, 100%. You know, it's, it's, it's funny because in, in the term of polymathy, the way I think of it is, is like, it's many learnings, right? And many learnings. You start recognizing, wait, if I take applied mathematics, applied mathematics becomes geometry, but applied geometry becomes physics, and applied physics becomes chemistry. And applied chemistry is biology, and applied biology is psychology, and applied psychology is sociology, and applied sociology is philosophy, and applied philosophy is mathematics. Yet we teach them all as totally separate, distinct discipline areas within the sciences. And we look at it. And we say, oh, psychologist doesn't know anything about science. But that's not true in the ancient sense. In the ancient sense, to know yourself, you had to go on this path to turn on the brain. You got the picture of the brain right over here. And the brain is more like an antenna than it is a. It's an antenna and a radio receiver than it is a hard drive storage unit. We don't even know where thoughts reside. We think that they're happening inside, you know, the synaptic junction inside of our brain when this is, you know, having the light bulb go off. But actually there's no evidence of that. The thoughts might actually be entirely non local. And that that's just like a radio tuning in to that frequency. And that's what I believe. I believe that we have brains that are radio receivers and that our heart and emotional stance and emotional position and state determines what, you know, the dial of that radio is basically tuning into.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Let's talk about that notion of the radio receiver because we've heard it a few times, and we've explored that with some past guests, some physicists who are trying to build a system of consciousness and an explanation of how it all works. One piece of evidence that is curious and sparks a lot of interest is this idea of different ideas, especially in ancient times, popping up in different traditions all over the world. And there was very little way that those societies could have communicated with each other. But there are links across all these different cultures. What they point to is unclear, but there are these similarities, and some people are looking at those to say, what does it mean now? Where are we now? Because at the beginning of the episode, you talk a lot about the evolution of Earth, and a lot of people are looking around being like, how do I know myself? How do I ground myself into what's happening right now so that I can have a narrative of this is all part of a process that I am a part of and that I feel connected to and that it makes sense. You know, how would you approach that, that big idea?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

First of all, the language of the universe is math and geometry. It absolutely is. And what you might not realize is that every aspect of your life is determined by that mathematics and geometry. So. But we're not taught mathematics in that sense. Again, we narrowed it to the study of quantity or the science of quantity, when actually that's not what it is at all. It's everything. It's resonance. So all music is based on right triangle relationships that are called musical intervals that are based On Pythagorean style triples, in many cases, right, or 3, 4, 5 triangle is giving birth to pretty much the entire musical scale through Its own transforms a 5, 12, 13 triangle. These are Pythagorean triples. That is actually the foundational basis from a physics perspective that I'm finding is actually the thing that connects the entire universe together. There's not one area or branch of science that is not impacted by it. I don't know a single one. And I can prove that to, to anyone. And so we keep looking for this mythical shape that's going to be the shape that is the universe. It's actually just right triangles. Right triangles is the one shape that can project up even into higher dimensions. And that's what we didn't realize. And that's why I wrote a paper in December regarding. It's called the Grant Projection Theorem. You can find it on my website. But this idea that geometry is the foundation that connects all of science and all of art, it's not just science, it's art, it's dance. It's literally everything. And in consciousness as well, that is, I think, where things are definitely going. And even the scientific and the physics world recognizes this. There's a lot more traction around geometry as the underlying connection between everything than there ever has been before. So I think that's really what it is. And seeing that geometry in philosophy, seeing that geometry in politics, seeing that geometry, that there is a truth resonance related to a geometric notion of ratio, then think about it. Our entire experience is based on this. If I have a length of this much, what does that even mean? I don't know what that is. Right. I have to ascribe some value of that versus another. In order to ascribe any meaning to this, I have to know what this is. And then that makes a right triangle. And then you've got implied. The hypotenuse is already implied. If you just connect the base of this line, the horizontal axis to the vertical axis, you've got a right triangle. And you already know the third side you don't need. It's already compressed. And then that can compress and decompress into all higher dimensions. And that's what the theorem is that I was just talking about. So I think what's happening is people are starting to realize that there's a geometry of space time, there's a geometry of time space, there's a geometry of consciousness. And that that connection is what we've been concealing, whether consciously or unconsciously from ourselves. So that it can be found. Nothing's ever hidden. So that it'll never be found.

[Mayim Bialik]

Can you give us examples of where we see that, let's say, in Egypt?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

Absolutely. Well, you could find this on Gaia. On my TV show on Gaia, which is called Code X. And you've seen maybe the first and second season. And a lot of it is really centered around finding these encryptions that have been left through time by ancient polymaths and Renaissance period polymaths who. Once you finally go to this stage of polymathy, what you're really doing is you're turning on the antenna through balance to get to absolute left and right brain hemisynchronization. Because what they realize is that the enlightenment is when you're able to balance your thinking so that you can live up to this axiom, which is when the heart thinks and the mind feels, that's when the river of wisdom flows. So that means that you start realizing, wait a minute, music is the. Is the geometry we're experiencing with our ears, and that means geometry is the music we're experiencing, you know, with our eyes. And the abstraction of both of those is just arithmetic and mathematics. And then I could ascribe that to. Then that means that the geometry is determining also the periodic elements. It is. And that that geometry then extends to DNA, which is the foundational basis of biology. And it's a geometric structure of dodecahedra stacked on top of each other. But then there's also icosahedron with every dodecahedron, which means that there's more DNA strands than what we think about. And when you start realizing this, you start realizing, wait, this is a universe of awareness. And things start coming to your awareness when they come into your awareness. So when you change the way you see things, the things you see will change. And that's exactly what we're all going through right now. That's why everything seems so, like, bizarre, because we're all waking up to the fact that we've been the creators all along. We just forgot, and now we're just remembering. It's as if we're living in a movie that's playing backwards. And we've just been taught our whole lives that backwards is forwards. It's already been preset.

[Mayim Bialik]

We're gonna hit another pause here because we've been using this word polymath to describe not only Sir Robert, but so many other famous and incredible minds in history. Jonathan, do you have any association to the word polymath, like, it's used colloquially, like oh, they can do anything. They're a polymath.

[Jonathan Cohen]

I actually hadn't heard of it until a couple years ago when someone used it. I think it was Scott Barry Kaufman used it. And I was like, oh, what is that? And then I started looking into it, and then I was like, I don't like it. It means too many things.

[Mayim Bialik]

So a polymath is also called a poly histor. I've never heard it called a poly histor. It's someone who has knowledge that spans a variety of subjects. And these people are known to draw on very complex bodies of knowledge in order to look at specific problems. So even if the problem is very, very small, what larger patterns and where can we see it? In other arenas. So this is what Sir Robert kind of specializes in. And in particular, this sort of integration between the right and left hemispheres. Right. As we kind of speak about it casually, you know, when you think of the Renaissance, you think of humanism. You know that we are. We are limitless in our capacity for. For development. The notion of a Renaissance man, right, like, this was like something to be a Renaissance person, as I call it, someone who is intellectual, social, you know, active, artistic, spiritual. That's someone who can kind of speak to all things. So that's typically what a polymath refers to. And that sort of is the. The framework that. That Robert is. Is using for all of the things that we're talking about.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah. The thing about polymaths is that, like, all disciplines are actually versions of the same thing, looking at it from a different angle. So mathematics, geometry, I don't know any other disciplines.

[Mayim Bialik]

Psychology, philosophy, the ideas that, like, what are the big things? And so one of the most famous polymaths, if not the most famous. And also, you know what? I remember learning about polymaths when I learned about, like, Benjamin Franklin. Cause I was like, he. I know he was like, part of the. Forgive me, this is not my specialty. He's like, oh, he's part of the founding of, like, this constitution, blah, blah, blah. But also the light bulb. The light bulb.

[Jonathan Cohen]

And I remember being like, invention.

[Mayim Bialik]

No, but I remember being. As a kid, I remember being like, how could he do both those things? Cause when I was a kid, you picked one thing, you were miserable at it, and then you died. Like, that was your life. No different story. Okay? But I remember thinking, how could he do all those things? And then when I started learning about

[Jonathan Cohen]

Thomas Jefferson, people think of that about you. How do you do all those things?

[Mayim Bialik]

No, but, but. But these are people who who were, you know, excelling and having patents and like. And like all these amazing things. This was the way a lot of people used to be. Right. And so the. One of the most famous and what we're gonna let Sir Robert get into, because this really is one of his specialties and one of the kind of amazing aspects of Code X, Leonardo da Vinci. What do you know about Leonardo da Vinci? It could be anything.

[Jonathan Cohen]

The. The dude.

[Mayim Bialik]

Oh, okay. The Vitruvian Man. Vitruvian man, but also like the Mona Lisa.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Yeah.

[Mayim Bialik]

Sistine Chapel.

[Jonathan Cohen]

Pretty good.

[Mayim Bialik]

Yeah, he was pretty good. He wrote backwards. Did you know this?

[Jonathan Cohen]

Just for fun.

[Mayim Bialik]

He wrote in. He wrote in mirror. I mean, like the Codex episode about this is amazing. He. For some reason, they say it was like he was writing secretly. I'm like, just hold up a mirror and then you can see it. He could freehand write in mirror. And he liked to.

[Jonathan Cohen]

It's a weird skill for a first date.

[Mayim Bialik]

He was an inventor, so he wasn't just an artist. I mean, like, one of the. The greatest artists, arguably of this planet. He was an inventor. And he imagined things that didn't yet exist. He had fantastic drawings. He was also, you know, a classic. A classically trained, beautiful master artist. But his inventions, his science, his geometry, his math, it was on par with his artistic talent. So there's a ton about da Vinci's connection with Egypt. Never occurred to me that Leonardo da Vinci ever went to Egypt. Guess what? Robert's gonna fill us in about this. And if you want more about this 100%, you have to watch these episodes on Codex. Leonardo da Vinci's connection not only to Egypt, but to the proportions of the pyramids. The secrets that were hidden in the geometry of the pyramids can be translated into the art of Da Vinci's time and. And possibly truths that go back even thousands of years, possibly tens of thousands of years before the Egyptians. Cannot wait for you to hear this part of our conversation with Robert. So what does that look like when we, you know, some of the, you know, incredible episodes that. That I enjoyed, you know, was looking at Leonardo da Vinci and a lot of his art, which, like, I'm putting it in quotations because we appreciate it on an aesthetic level. But you do this analysis that shows, you know, that underneath the art there is a very specific. Yeah, there's a geometry and it relates in many cases to, you know, angles of the pyramids, like just things that I like. Did da Vinci know that? Is this something that's just universal and it's Sort of in the ether, or was that information that he was getting that he was communicating?

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

I think he absolutely knew a very large percentage of it. What came out of this? I looked at the Vitruvian Man. It was the most famous probably illustration on planet Earth, right? The guy with his arms out, standing in a square, in a circle. And I felt like there was something encrypted in it. Because first of all, you have to go back to the story of. And again, it can't be just the more reductionist you are in just one area, the more insular and the more nearsighted you become. And it actually atrophies your brain. So you don't get smarter the more you study in one area, okay, this is like a big, big.

[Mayim Bialik]

You get more specific, you get more

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

specific, but you don't get smarter and you don't get better at analyzing and understanding patterns. So because the patterns that you could start noticing are the ones that cross all of these disciplines. And so those are the people that actually are moving into higher awareness, not hyper reductionists that go into hyper specialization. Our entire educational system is upside down. It rewards hyper specialization, which makes society more stupid and more insular and more volatile and more confrontational, because then they become so recalcitrant in their own way of seeing the world that they can't see it another way. And so you basically pushed your brain into looking at one facet and calling that the fact for the world, when actually it's just a facet and everyone's truth is subjective.

[Mayim Bialik]

You know, I feel like I need to say one more thing about this. It's been pointed out to me, this notion of God in this sort of shape on the Sistine Chapel, you know, creating Adam and how it looks like a brain. And in the conversation that we had with him, it's not that. That he's trying to point out like God placed, you know, a brain on the Sistine Chapel, you know, ceiling so that we could have a brain. That's not what it's about. It's about that Leonardo da Vinci's intention in his art was not just to be an artist. And I think that's sort of the message for all of us. You don't have to be one thing. You don't have to choose one way to look at the world. And even da Vinci in his artistic wisdom said, this relates, and this is meaningful. When I think about the brain, when I think about the prefrontal cortex, right. I don't know how much he knew about the prefrontal cortex, I'm sure I could look it up somewhere. But this notion that everything touches everything, this led us to a conversation about, you guessed it, AI. What does a polymath think about AI? How does someone with this vast amount of information communicate what a machine that has the ability to gather even more quantumly vast amounts of information, how does he see it? And the way he describes it, and we'll let him explain it, is that it's the difference between a librarian and a researcher. We're going to let him explain the rest and how Architect AI is his attempt to reconcile the worlds of the polymaths and AI as we know it.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

So I think our entire educational system is completely upside down and completely wrong in the way that it's done. Waldorf schools is probably the best example of how it could be repaired. If you're thinking about where to send your kids to school, I would send them to Waldorf schools or I would home teach, because this is the education system that kids get in. Universities today is, is. Is really, really substandard because they're not being taught how to think. Right. They're being taught like some rote memorization thing of some narrative. It's not actually how to think, to derive your own answers or even to spot the patterns. Yeah, I mean, it's like we're taught in a way. You know, I was asked to make a comparison between, like AI that really thinks versus AI that is just finding a reference somewhere. So it's the difference between a librarian and a true researcher. A true researcher has to apply his or her thinking to figure out answers to big, big problems. But a lot of what LLMs are, which is large language models, and AI is literally just a giant librarian that can go and search, but it can't use that searched wisdom or knowledge to apply it to any concept of wisdom in the context of its thinking. So it can't come up with hypotheses. It can't come up with, like, higher order thought in the same ways. Now, you can try to work around that by coming up with, you know, what we call knowledge graphs in AI, or you can try to come up with it through something called symbolic reasoning graphs as well that you can apply to it at a higher level of cognition. But as a standard LLM, you're basically dealing with a librarian. They haven't necessarily read the book, but they know where to find the book. Right. The difference is how do we educate people to the point where they can think with these references rather than be able to find those references.

[Mayim Bialik]

We're going to hit pause here on our conversation with Sir Robert Edward Grant. There is so much more in part two that you do not want to miss. Was Leonardo da Vinci Pythagoras reincarnated? Is the infrasonic range actually the place where information resides in the akashic field? Robert's also going to talk about how hating other people actually isn't what we should be worried about. It's us hating ourselves that actually needs the most love and attention. He's going to talk about the legacy that he plans to leave and we're going to get really personal in part two. So make sure to tune in to part two of our conversation. Also, you'll learn about the significance of the number 137 in a way that you never thought you would. From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.

[Sir Robert Edward Grant]

It's Maya Bialix breakdown. She's going to break it down for you. She's got a neuroscience feat HD or two and now she's going to break down It's a breakdown. She's going to break it down.