000: Dangerous RTRD - Pilot Episode

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad – Episode 000: Dangerous RTRD (Pilot Episode)

Introduction

In the pilot episode of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts Top Lobsta and Raven dive deep into various conspiracy theories through a Biblical lens. Joined by co-host Clint and occasional contributions from an unnamed participant, the discussion spans topics from media manipulation to immigration policies, all intertwined with critiques of modern culture and societal structures.

1. Media Manipulation and Subliminal Messaging

The episode opens with Clint and Top Lobsta expressing concern over the pervasive influence of media figures such as newsreaders, politicians, and educators. Clint states at [00:01] that "We are being hypnotized by people like this," highlighting a belief in hidden agendas within mainstream media.

Notable Quote:

Clint [00:01]: "We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers."

Top Lobsta echoes this sentiment, emphasizing the control exerted by what he terms "unbelievably sick people" running the world ([00:11]).

2. Analysis of Kim Kardashian's Video

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around a four-minute and forty-four-second video featuring Kim Kardashian. Top Lobsta and Raven dissect the video, suggesting it contains subliminal messages akin to those found in Stanley Kubrick's films. They argue that while the foreground content appears benign, the background reveals deeper, more sinister narratives related to economic collapse and societal unrest.

Notable Quote:

Unknown [01:53]: "It's telling you that the dollar is about to be worthless, and it's telling you that there might be unrest."

Clint expresses skepticism about deciphering complex messages from a brief video, initially resisting the depth of analysis before Top Lobsta clarifies the video’s significance within their community ([02:00]).

3. Twitter Moderation and Doxxing Incidents

The conversation shifts to recent events on Twitter (now X), focusing on high-profile figures like Laura Loomer and Nick Fuentes. Clint discusses allegations of doxxing, where personal information was allegedly exposed, leading to severe repercussions such as loss of blue checks and suspension from the platform.

Notable Quote:

Clint [05:05]: "So, yeah, this is old Twitter censorious insanity."

Top Lobsta and Clint debate the fairness and consistency of Twitter's moderation policies, suggesting a shift towards cancel culture irrespective of political affiliation ([09:00]).

4. Immigration and H1B Visa Debates

The hosts delve into the contentious issue of H1B visas, with Clint referencing Vivek Ramaswamy's critique of American culture. They argue that the preference for foreign-born engineers undermines American workforce opportunities, fostering resentment among domestic-born citizens.

Notable Quote:

Clint [23:46]: "The reason tech companies often hide foreign born and first generation engineers over Native Americans isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit."

Top Lobsta supports the notion that cultural integration is failing, suggesting that maintaining cohesive American values is essential for societal stability ([27:36]).

5. Cultural Cohesion and Racism

A heated discussion ensues about the representation of different ethnic groups in American politics and academia. The hosts criticize policies that they believe favor immigrants over native-born Americans, asserting that such favoritism leads to cultural fragmentation and weakens national unity.

Notable Quote:

Clint [36:05]: "Because first and second generation immigrants tend to kick ass here."

They argue that a lack of in-group cohesion among minorities fosters divisions, making the country vulnerable to subversion by external and internal forces ([45:09]).

6. Social Media Influence and Manipulation

The episode explores the role of social media in shaping cultural narratives. The hosts express distrust towards platforms like X, accusing them of engineering cultural movements and manipulating public discourse to further specific agendas.

Notable Quote:

Unknown [52:55]: "We've been recently handed this, like, engineered culture that took a long time to engineer, by the way, was engineered by politics."

They caution listeners to remain vigilant against perceived manipulations designed to erode societal cohesion ([67:12]).

7. Role Models and Masculinity Issues

Clint and Top Lobsta debate the impact of public figures like Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate on young men. While acknowledging Peterson's intellectual influence, they critique his personal shortcomings and contrast him with Tate's portrayal as a resilient fighter despite his flaws.

Notable Quote:

Clint [90:01]: "Myron Gaines, Andrew Tate… they are not focused enough on the underlying problems domestically as much as they are the border."

The hosts emphasize the importance of balanced role models who embody both intellectual depth and physical resilience ([91:14]).

8. Interaction with Tim Pool

The episode features a contentious interaction with political commentator Tim Pool. Clint and Top Lobsta express frustration over perceived attempts to censor or dismiss their viewpoints, leading to a verbal exchange characterized by accusations and defensive rhetoric.

Notable Quote:

Clint [97:21]: "You're retarded," directed at Tim Pool after a heated exchange.

They discuss the challenges of maintaining open debate in an environment they view as increasingly hostile to dissenting opinions ([99:38]).

9. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Closing the episode, the hosts reiterate their concerns about cultural fragmentation, media manipulation, and the erosion of traditional American values. They advocate for building strong, cohesive communities and supporting domestic-born citizens to preserve national integrity.

Notable Quote:

Clint [86:32]: "Any time, all over the world. That's just reality. And if you're going to abandon them and shame them and disenfranchise them…"

Top Lobsta urges listeners to look up to higher archetypes, such as religious figures, rather than flawed human role models ([94:33]).

Final Remarks

Top Lobsta promotes their show and merchandise, encouraging listeners to engage with their content for further discussions on supernatural and conspiratorial topics. Clint extends well-wishes to the audience, emphasizing the importance of resisting societal manipulation.

Notable Quote:

Top Lobster [107:37]: "You can follow us at Nephilim Death Squad. Email us at Nephilim D Squad if you got any crazy stories."

Conclusion

The pilot episode of Nephilim Death Squad sets the tone for the podcast by tackling complex and controversial issues through a conspiratorial and cultural critique framework. Hosts engage in robust debates, interweaving personal opinions with broader societal observations, aiming to challenge mainstream narratives and encourage listeners to question prevalent ideologies.

Transcript

[Clint]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers.

[Top Lobster]

We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

[Clint]

The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely. Oh yeah, dude, there's some nephilim shit.

[Top Lobster]

It's like we all know what's going.

[Unknown]

Down but no one's saying what happened into the home of the brave these mother take control this now when no one's talking about how they made us slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the closet Want to wake up to a dead in the grave but it's too late we need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government.

[Clint]

No, it looks great, dude. Thank you.

[Top Lobster]

We just did a two hour deep dive on that Kim Kardashian video. I don't know if you've seen it.

[Clint]

I watched 10 seconds of it and I was like, what the is this? And then I shut it off.

[Unknown]

Yeah, we just broke it down. Honestly, I. I know you're going to go, ah, skitso. Saying skitso. It's like telling you about a coming economic collapse, and it's telling you that the party is over for like the left, but something a little bit bigger than the left. Sort of like this great big immoral, sexually exploitive kind of music industry thing. It's telling you that the party is coming to an end and it's all falling apart. It's telling you that the dollar is about to be worthless, and it's telling you that there might be unrest. It's a very interesting video, honestly. It's a lot of fun and it's kind of a masterpiece in that way. If you could look past Kim Kardashian's ass, which admittedly is a task. It's very difficult, dude.

[Clint]

So you're telling me this, you deciphered all of this from a couple minute long? Weird. Actually, it's from Kim Kardashian.

[Top Lobster]

4 minute and 44 second long post, Clint, which is significant in the community.

[Unknown]

And they tell you several times throughout it that this is like a Stanley Kubrick film, which you don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to know that Kubrick went to great lengths to enrich his background with all kinds of subliminal messaging. And so in that way, it's telling you the foreground is telling you nothing. The background is telling you everything. And when you look at it through that lens. You're like, oh, there's a story here. And it's pretty cool. You know, I don't want to give her too much due, but, you know, and who knows how much of a role she played in it, but it was kind of genius.

[Clint]

Well, that. That is interesting. All right, I'm gonna listen to yours and I'll.

[Top Lobster]

I'll.

[Clint]

I'll also watch the entire four minutes video. But in the meantime, I had a weird interaction last night. I don't even know which portion of this is actually on here, but hold on.

[Top Lobster]

Here we go.

[Unknown]

Oh, you were in this.

[Top Lobster]

You are kind of stupid because how exactly have I said that?

[Clint]

How exactly. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, explain.

[Top Lobster]

To me when I said this.

[Unknown]

I. I do understand.

[Top Lobster]

I'm getting unhinged and I can talk like.

[Clint]

No, not either at the moment.

[Top Lobster]

But listen, but it. I get really passionate about it because I can't imagine. Yeah, probably you should put the passion somewhere else into, I don't know, informing yourself, because.

[Clint]

Sorry, stop muting me. By the way, what you're saying is absolute.

[Top Lobster]

No, it's not. It's not. Okay, can tell me where exactly I.

[Clint]

Said what you claimed that I said?

[Unknown]

You're putting words in my mouth.

[Top Lobster]

Listen, I'll tell you something. If I go to your house and tell you how you're supposed to act, and I'll call you that, you racist. When have I told you?

[Clint]

When have I done this?

[Top Lobster]

You know, you. You're insane.

[Unknown]

You are.

[Clint]

You sound actually unhinged. And I hope that you probably seek out the necessary medical attention that you need in order to deal with this insanity, because you are waited. I've waited a long time. I've waited a long time. So let me just. Let me just make my point.

[Top Lobster]

You're superior. That's what it is.

[Clint]

He doesn't think you're superior. I clearly stated I have the smoothest brain on the planet. No, you. You definitely think you're superior. But that's okay. The point I wanted to make. Super smooth brained.

[Top Lobster]

And I think I'm like the most aerodynamic thing here.

[Clint]

You know, like those spheres that they manufactured to test, like, whether or not a kilogram is actually accurate. You know, the spheres of silicon. That's how smooth my brain is. Yeah, you're the. You're the UFOs over New Jersey anyway.

[Top Lobster]

And such a mirror that you can.

[Clint]

See the future in it and you don't like what you see. Jesus Christ, you're obnoxious. All. So the point I Wanted to get to was if it is in fact true that Laura. Oh, and others have lost their. Their blue. All right, so that. That was allegedly my engagement with Elon Musk.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Clint]

I don't believe it's Elon Musk. Let me make that very clear.

[Top Lobster]

Really?

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

People sound like.

[Clint]

People are adamant that Adrian Dittman is Elon Musk. And I that. That got cut off there. But I called him an later. I said, he's obnoxious. I said he came in there as antagonistic as humanly possible. If it is Elon, I expect my account to be nuked within 48 hours because I was not very nice to him.

[Top Lobster]

But a bunch of these guys. That other dude, smg, got his. He got his taken away, too. Patriot J got his taken away. Quite a few.

[Clint]

So, yeah, let me. So let me break this down a little bit. So the allegation is that Laura Loomer basically doxed somebody. It was a guy who wasn't even the guy that was being put in as an advisor to Trump. It had. He had the same name and he donated to Kamala Harris. She claims that she redacted the address for this gentleman. They claim she did not. I don't know what the truth is. If. If she in fact put out the address for this guy who wasn't even a guy that's going into the Trump administration, then that's fucking terrible. And obviously she gets whatever comes to her for that. That was a huge mistake. If it was, in fact protected. And she's just being hammered because she went hard in the paint against H1BS and against Elon and Vivek yesterday. Well, that's a totally different thing. In which case old Twitter is now new Twitter and we're back in censorious times. So I don't know. I don't know what's true.

[Top Lobster]

There's.

[Unknown]

There's also a matter of time to. That happened, by the way, till it regressed.

[Top Lobster]

There's also the idea where, again, I was doxed by transgender Twitter and I'm like, tagging.

[Clint]

You didn't deserve that.

[Top Lobster]

No, I didn't say anything crazy. Listen, the people voted.

[Unknown]

Ask the question, dude.

[Top Lobster]

Asking a question. It doesn't matter if you're offensive or not. The fact is, like, you can't do that. This is not. It's not just terms of service, but now you're making a physical threat and nothing happened to this person. As a matter of fact, they responded to me almost immediately, saying they didn't violate any. Any. Any of their Policy. So I was like, okay, so I can say whatever I want then. Apparently not.

[Clint]

No. Same thing happened with Nick Fuentes though. The people that doxxed Fuentes, like, all he said was, your body, my choice. Yeah, like that's all he said.

[Unknown]

That's it.

[Clint]

Dude.

[Unknown]

It's kind of a banger.

[Clint]

Yeah, I mean, it's funny. It's funny. And I think he meant it as a joke because he didn't even vote for Trump, so.

[Top Lobster]

Of course.

[Unknown]

And look, if you're looking at Nick Fuentes, it's like he doesn't have the ability to execute your body.

[Top Lobster]

His.

[Unknown]

He doesn't want to. Right? Yeah, but it is a virgin.

[Clint]

It's literally your body is definitely not his choice at this point.

[Unknown]

The banger of a joke. It really is.

[Clint]

Yeah, but so anyways, he, he posts that on election night. He then has. I was on a space with him last night too. I was doing spaces all night. I don't know why. But he, he explains that after that he got doxxed aggressively. He reported the doxing did not get pulled down. It was seen millions of times too. So it does seem as if. Oh, and then on top of that, almost 100 people came to his house because of that doxing. Yeah, that's crazy. And then a person who allegedly murdered three people showed up at his house armed to the teeth to try and take out Nick was killed by the cops. This is, this actually happened and no one seems to really care about it just because they don't like Nick Fuentes. And I'm like, this is madness. And, and apparently X did nothing to stop the doxing of him. So he's now looking at litigation against X for, you know, basically putting him in, in jeopardy. I don't know if there's any validity to that claim, but regardless, it does seem this. On top of the Laura Loomer, she was suspended and she also lost her blue check and she lost all of her subscribers. So she's being hammered. And then everybody she was affiliated with. So apparently what, what happened was like 60 or so dissident right wing figures all paid. I think it's a thousand, maybe it's more per month to have a verified like corporate account on X. And they all shared this badge. So everybody that was affiliated with her on that also is now under review. They had all of their blue checks, you know, throw. Thrown into under review because of her actions. So.

[Top Lobster]

But it's not because drama. It's, it's.

[Clint]

Well, that's, that's the, that's the story.

[Top Lobster]

It's, it's not because she docs. I mean it's, that's a great excuse but then why are these other people, the other people that have lost their blue check and are on back under review, they've all been critical of the H1B visa stuff.

[Clint]

I know but that's, that's what I'm saying is like the claim is because they lost, I guess because she, she violated the policy. She loses that I think maybe that account was under her registration. So therefore everybody else that was using that account, essentially that account is no longer, you're no longer going to have the, I don't know, the paid verified of this conservative media thing. So none of those people should lose their subscribers. None of them should lose their blue check if they do. If everybody that's affiliated with her gets hammered the same way, well then yeah, this is old Twitter censorious insanity.

[Unknown]

Just a different flavor of cancel culture.

[Top Lobster]

I think it's kind of cool. I, I, it's like what I, the.

[Clint]

Reason I think it's, I, I can never. This is why I like talking to Top. I never expect what, what his angle is going to be. Go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

No, and it's like I'm not taking the contrary on, on any of this, but I don't want, I don't want to jump the gun.

[Clint]

You definitely are.

[Top Lobster]

I'm being honest with you. I also don't want to jump the gun into the further conversation we get into the H1B visas and the my immigration because I think that's what this is all about. But if I paid a lot of money for a platform, I wouldn't want people on it opposing what I'm doing. And if they were, I could just pull some fucking strings and make it the way I want it. Why would I let you come here and run the show and, and ratio me on my own website? No, I did just the block button.

[Unknown]

Because I'm looking at Elon and I have a really hard time figuring out how much influence he actually has over X only only because, you know, we do a lot. We do a lot, right? We're constantly working, we're putting out content, we're trying to build something. This is a guy who's doing SpaceX. He's also doing the boring company. He's also doing all these appearances and spaces. He's running the social media company on the planet. There's any seemingly ranked like number two or something in Diablo, which is insane. I mean, dude, the amount of hours you have to Allocate to that game in order to rank that high. I couldn't even imagine how many.

[Clint]

That is. No sense.

[Unknown]

It doesn't make any sense. And then, like, look, I know it's going to seem a little crazy. That sounded like Elon Musk to me. And I do think, I've suspected for a while that he runs multiple accounts. Like, I think he runs his parody account. You know, Elon Musk, parody. I think it gives him an outlet to explore certain ideas. And sometimes the way they play off each other, it just seems like the same guy running two accounts, if he truly is. And I would do that, by the way, if I owned the biggest social media conglomeration on the planet, I would have multiple accounts.

[Clint]

If he actually had the free time to do that.

[Unknown]

How does he have the free time?

[Clint]

You should.

[Unknown]

Diablo.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, so maybe he's also got 10.

[Clint]

Kids and like six baby mamas. What?

[Unknown]

Something about him doesn't make any sense.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, he's got a lot of money. You could. You could explain the kids have nannies. You could explain that he's the CEO of these companies, but he's delegated responsibility effectively. What you can explain is, like, how much time he's using on Twitter, even just on his. Elon Musk is his main. His main account. And it's funny, when you see people, they're like, what are you doing on Twitter? Like, back when I kind of first started, I was like, I don't know. This shit seems important. People are, like, talking on here and there's like, something moving. Well, now you got the richest guy in the world who put $44 billion into it and not just bought it, but he's like an avid user. He's one of the most prolific users on. He's not that good at it, I don't think, but he uses it a lot. It tells you that this shit is really important in whatever we're moving towards and however the culture has been moved.

[Unknown]

But I do think that he's recognized the. The significance of the cultural effect of Twitter. And that was, I think, exemplified back when you had your tweet top the famous one with Mel Gibson or. Or Joe Biden. Right. And after he retweeted that, he moved the culture, the conversation in a dramatically different direction that only hindsight tells you was pretty impactful as far as, you know, things about the Jews or whatever. He did that again recently we talked about this, where he did a. A. How do I say this? I don't want to get you yanked off YouTube but there's, you know, the.

[Top Lobster]

The whole conspiracy with John Podesta P. Gate.

[Unknown]

Pg. Yeah. That whole thing. He retweeted that.

[Top Lobster]

The R. Kelly thing, you know, pg.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Different, but, but same, same. But I mean, you know, he does, it's. I don't think he, he may not be the best tweeter to tops point, but I think he has a really good handle on the, on his ability to move a cultural conversation. So I don't know, I don't want to attribute 5D chess to a dude who's not playing 5D chess. And I think we in the conspiracy community do that a lot. We kind of attribute, you know, higher levels of intellect to people that don't deserve it.

[Top Lobster]

However, he deserves it, dude, he's doing something right.

[Unknown]

And I just go, when he's, you know, are you violating the terms of service when you dock somebody? Almost certainly. Right. I could imagine that within the terms of service of Twitter, it is on its face a violation to do sort of thing when you allow it to perpetuate. And then it spirals into some of the biggest cultural moments we've seen unfold on Twitter. I have to ask myself if he lets a thing slide when he thinks it's advantageous or when he doesn't, you.

[Clint]

Know, so my concern, and that's always been my concern with X, it's not so much that the rules are like, of particular concern, it's that are they, are they actually applied equally?

[Unknown]

Almost certainly not.

[Clint]

And, and, and are they static? Like, are they shifting with the win? And the answer is they're definitely shifting with the win because he just changes shit every month. But also it doesn't feel as if it's being applied equitably, which was the entire complaint of old guard Twitter because people like us were constantly being suspended or, or banned entirely, whereas people with left leaning politics were basically free to run wild. And now, you know, there's been allegations that now this is the right wing version of Twitter where it's extraordinarily biased towards the right. That doesn't appear to be the case if what's happening to Laura Loomer and these other folks is in fact unjust. Now let me just say though, if she doxxed some random dude with the same name, she fucked up majorly.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Clint]

And that's on her. So we got to. I'm going to reserve judgment until I actually know for a fact she claims that the address was redacted. I don't know if that's true.

[Top Lobster]

Laura Loomer I mean, I've met her in real life. She's kind of nice in real life, but she's a piece of shit online. She. You do a lot of, a lot of things that are horrible.

[Unknown]

Like, this is coming from Top Lobster.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And I'm a piece of shit online.

[Clint]

Yeah, she is totally female. You youu're really nice in person, but online you're a total piece of shit.

[Top Lobster]

Just like, I feel like. I feel like people hate me less online. Like, here's, Here's a question.

[Clint]

Wait, what?

[Unknown]

People hate you more in person? No, no, they off putting when it comes from women.

[Top Lobster]

They hate me less than her. Like, okay, a good example is a lot of people love me online. A lot of people hate me. I don't think anybody loves Laura Loomer. They just like, you follow her because you're like, what's she doing now? She's chaining herself to Twitter. She's fighting Milo Yiannopoulos. Like, nothing good ever. But like, no, she doesn't have any fans. She just has people that watch her because she's a spectacle.

[Unknown]

And I watch the argument with her and Milo Yiannopoulos because I saw it.

[Clint]

I did.

[Unknown]

There's like that, you know, it's, it's, it's. I think it's nighttime. They're outside, they're face to face. There's somebody between them recording, and they're arguing with one another.

[Top Lobster]

And I, Jimi Hendrix is recording them, which is very funny.

[Unknown]

And, and I went, what am I fucking watching, dude? And I turned it off before they got any sort of, you know, message, a semblance of something coherent out. I don't know what they were even talking about. I just said, and that was gonna be my question. When you first brought up that space thing, you said you had been doing spaces a lot last night, you know, and you didn't know why I've been doing funny because a lot of space. I was gonna ask you, don't you hate these people? Why are you subjecting yourself to these. It's a very strange thing, this, like the personalities, the inflammatory personalities that have developed around political conversations, especially in a time where, like, it seems to matter more than ever. There's so much on the line. And you have sort of the WWE stars of political conversation. And I look at that and I go, you know what's weird? Isn't it exhausting?

[Top Lobster]

What's weird about the spaces, to me is that, like, so Clint is this almost anomaly. You have like this great broadcasting voice and, you know how to handle yourself when you're talking, and you have a great Twitter presence. This guy, whoever that was with the. With the maga hat, sounded like a. Elon Musk.

[Unknown]

The guy that sounded like Elon. Yeah, no, that was Elon Musk.

[Top Lobster]

The other guy that was arguing with Elon Musk sounded like a retard. Elon Musk sounds kind of like a retard when he's on in a podcast format. And they love to do this shit. It's like, just like, they go with their huge accounts, they pull their pants down, and they talk into their phone, and I'm like, it's bad. Some of it's really bad. Ian Miles Chong. Horrible.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Disgusting.

[Clint]

It's. Look, it's all. It's almost always bad, but it's like. It's like Laura Loomer. It's. It's the spectacle, you know, it's. It is. It is entertaining. I actually enjoy the debates. Like, if they're. If it's a genuine debate, it's just so rarely genuine. And this is why, like, younger me, I really. I. I honestly wish that, like, I had this, you know, profile and this reach when I was 25, because I was such a lunatic in my mid-20s. You know, I would have just been screaming at the top of my lungs today. I'm not that guy. I don't have the energy to. To shout back if someone starts to flip out on me. I just kind of go, like, cool.

[Top Lobster]

That's your opinion.

[Unknown]

At one point, I was listening to Clint when we were, you know, watching that space moments ago, and his reply to the. To the dude that was supposed to be Elon Musk was all very much like an old man's reply, like, you are exhausting.

[Clint]

You.

[Unknown]

You have a very bad personality. This is draining me. Like, that kind of energy.

[Top Lobster]

I understand.

[Clint]

Yo, young, young me. Young me, though. I would have been like, fuck you, dude.

[Unknown]

You know, from the top rope. From the top rope.

[Top Lobster]

But old.

[Clint]

Old me is just like, you're so obnoxious. You came in here very abrasive, and I don't understand why, you know.

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah. You know what the other problem with this is? If that guy really is Elon Musk, there's a voice that very much sounds like him, and I'm willing to. Because, you know, my. My disposition, I'm willing to entertain the idea that this guy is using multiple accounts. Right?

[Clint]

Let me interject real quick. Let me interject real quick. Elon does not talk that fast.

[Unknown]

That's the problem.

[Clint]

I've watched a ton of Elon Musk interviews. This man is very fast. Vocally, it is not Elon.

[Unknown]

So here's, here's the problem then, Clint. This is exactly. Thank you. Because that's where I was going. Like I said, don't like to attribute 5D chess to a guy that's not playing 5D chess. If anybody was, though, it might be Elon Musk. You could surmise that from his, you know, impact on the world stage. What if he's just been doing a slow draw, right? What if he's just been doing this unnatural. By the way, a lot of people look at his cadence on Rogan and you're like, like people think it's profound when they ask him a question. Like, you know, Rogan will say, what do you think about this? Elon will go. And he'll just stop and he'll stare at the ceiling and then he'll talk like an ent from the Lord of the Rings and people go, wow, profound. I think Elon Musk is laughing at you that you think that that's profound. He's just slowing it down so that nobody suspects that when some fast talking dude with a, with a voice that sounds very much like his is actually Elon Musk, people say, well, no, he's very slow.

[Clint]

I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, look, do you think Billy Carson. Does Billy Carson talk to his illegitimate children that, like in the same cadence that he's. No, he's. He's given you that, that slow cadence and it's like, to exemplify that I know all this stuff about ancient books that don't exist, yada, yada, yada.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Do you think he talks like that on his headset in Diablo? Do you think he talks like that when like one of his 10 children, you know, breaks into his like, emerald stash or something? And do you think he comes to them and he talks real slow stuff like. I don't think he does. I think he's. We all have these modes that we get.

[Clint]

You're right. You're right. But I just, I'm just telling you, I. It. I don't think it's him. That's my opinion, anyways. I hope just you, you just. I do too. It'd be funny if I called it Elon Musk an asshole.

[Top Lobster]

But you so rude.

[Clint]

Top is just as you were saying about Billy Carson, which is yet another one of my mutuals. And I don't know if he's a friend, but mutuals you have been going to war with all of my friends over the past 10 days.

[Top Lobster]

Sorry.

[Clint]

No, it's. It's fine. It's nothing unusual, honestly. But before. Before we do that, I did want to play a clip of the Loomer. Milo.

[Unknown]

Okay.

[Clint]

Showdowns.

[Unknown]

I haven't seen it.

[Clint]

Yeah, you were high five, garbage can.

[Unknown]

You know, the period where you could just say things and people would assume that you were not lying.

[Clint]

You're a liar, Milo. Everything that you wrote about me is a complete lie. No, everything that you said. You said I was banned from Mar.

[Top Lobster]

A Lago two weeks ago.

[Clint]

I was at Mar A Lago two weeks ago. I was at Mar A Lago dinner two months ago.

[Top Lobster]

Milo, this is reality TV show for ugly people.

[Clint]

You know what you.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Clint]

You know what you were told.

[Unknown]

You know you shouldn't. What was I told?

[Clint]

What was I told?

[Top Lobster]

You know, you shouldn't have told any.

[Clint]

Family doesn't want you. The family wants you anywhere near him.

[Unknown]

That's not true, Milo. You are a liar, Milo.

[Clint]

You're jealous because you have never been able to recover from being cancelled. Your drug addiction.

[Unknown]

You would actually be able to, you.

[Clint]

Know, get your life.

[Unknown]

Ah, dude, this is people looking for this moment. Wearing a 10 gallon hat. He looks like Dale Dibidome and he's talking about. It's all like a.

[Top Lobster]

And a witch.

[Unknown]

Catchable moment.

[Top Lobster]

A gay cowboy and a witch start an argument at a party and it's like, how does this joke go? I don't know. Who care? Who cares? What are they talking about? Just. Milo, I love you. You should have just walked away. She doesn't deserve your time, baby boy.

[Unknown]

It is entertaining.

[Clint]

I enjoyed it. This is. This is what I'm talking about. This is Twitter spaces in real life. That's what that was. Because that is exactly how Twitter spaces go. And I. Well, first off, you said this is, you know, this is what you say. Hollywood for ugly people.

[Unknown]

Milo's not a reality TV for ugly.

[Top Lobster]

Milo's not. Milo's not handsome. He's kind of. I wouldn't call him handsome. He's.

[Clint]

Thousands of men disagree with you.

[Top Lobster]

Black eyes will fuck any.

[Unknown]

We're talking about Hollywood, right? He's wearing a bolo tie and a 10 gallon hat. Okay, like this is. He's literally just entered the green room costume section and then came back out to argue with Laura Loomer.

[Clint]

It's.

[Unknown]

It is.

[Clint]

It's theater.

[Top Lobster]

Crazy.

[Unknown]

It's theater and it's a lot of fun. It is.

[Top Lobster]

It's.

[Unknown]

It's hilarious. It's. I Don't dislike them for it even a little bit. Actually, here I like them more for it.

[Clint]

All right, let's get into less salacious shit. Let's talk about Vivek's take on the H1B.

[Top Lobster]

Salacious.

[Unknown]

Let's talk about the disproportionate representation in our government by India.

[Top Lobster]

I can read.

[Clint]

He says that.

[Top Lobster]

You can read it. The reason tech companies often hide. Now you can read if you want.

[Clint]

The reason top tech companies often hide foreign born and first generation engineers over Native Americans isn't because of an innate American IQ deficit, a lazy and wrong explanation. A key part of it comes down to the C word culture. Tough questions demand tough answers. And if we're really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the truth. Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long. At least since the 90s and likely longer. That doesn't start in college. It starts young. A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympia champ or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers. All right, let's pause it there before we get into the 90s pop culture references. I don't disagree with that. I don't.

[Top Lobster]

I don't either.

[Unknown]

I disagree. We would never put Native Americans in high positions.

[Top Lobster]

He's not Native American. He's an Indian. He said.

[Unknown]

He said we would never put Native Americans. He used. He just meant like American people.

[Top Lobster]

Pull the tweet back up, please. It's like, it's. It's insulting. Every sentence I read is just like, you know where you fucking come from, Vivek. Okay, he doesn't come.

[Clint]

He was born in Ohio.

[Top Lobster]

No, he's an immigrant.

[Unknown]

I doubt it, dude. Yeah, I doubt it.

[Top Lobster]

It's just crazy.

[Unknown]

He was in the. In the Serpent.

[Clint]

He was born in Ohio in 1985. That's the truth.

[Unknown]

Okay, okay, but what is he.

[Top Lobster]

What he advocating for? This is what I'm saying. In the end, he advocates for was like, well, that's why Indians need to take these engineering jobs. But he's talking about our American culture being mediocre. Then he's saying, what's this? Where's it? Right here. Tough questions. Oh, all right. It's just crazy. The key part of it comes down to the C word culture and, oh, this is a long tweet. You're talking about culture. I've said we've seen way too many videos of India to be fooled in general. And again, whatever. Put aside the fact that he's Indian or that he. I think it's pretty cool what he's saying here. I also think it's cool what Elon Musk did where. This is his platform. Elon Musk, he's going to play by the rules. Those are his people. He has this in group preference. And yeah, I make the case for that as well. So my people are American. I have that in group preference. I'll make the case for Americans taking Americans jobs. And I actually have like this very good example for that here. Not just to be like fucking MAGA all the way, but I live near this old people home called the Villages. And when you walk through it, it's a fucking fantasy land. Do you know why, Clint? Every restaurant that they have here requires that you buy produce and goods from the village's farms. Okay? So all that stuff goes right back around. Every single business is very incestuous. If you want to open business here, you have to feed our community. And they're feeding the community in three different ways depending on the business type. And then I walk through the streets and I go, this place is wonderful. It's like it's the closest thing to a utopia that you're going to get. Always clean flowers put in the.

[Clint]

Basically it's Disney World for elderly people.

[Unknown]

Yeah, right.

[Top Lobster]

But old. But I go there. Like there's other people that walk through there. It's not just like for them you can go through the squares and. And you know, it was awesome.

[Clint]

The streets are clean. There's. Yeah.

[Unknown]

Are you guys not seeing. Wait a minute though.

[Top Lobster]

Is there anything to say though that, you know, we're. We're keeping everything in house. Like we're not letting you go outsource stuff. So then look at this community, how it's grown and how beautiful it is because they continue to feed their businesses and themselves and everything kind of.

[Unknown]

By the way, that model, that model is winning. And the culture that we exist in right now tells you that that model is obsolete. That we have to integrate as much variety as possible and you make sure everybody has a slice of the pie and everybody gets to contribute. And it seems that homogenization actually creates a much better system.

[Top Lobster]

Also. I'd like to.

[Clint]

That's the. That's the Nick Fuentes argument. Anyways. Go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

I like to address his argument about the culture. Again, I understand what he's saying about the culture. And a lot, in a lot of ways American culture does kind of suck. Watching Boy Meets World and going to the mall and doing these things like this, all this. I don't know, 80s rhetoric.

[Clint]

Yeah, I mean, that doesn't really happen anymore. Let me, let me read the rest of it for the audience that isn't familiar. He says a culture that venerates Corey from Boy Meets World, which I totally do. Or Zack and Slater over Screech and Saved by the Bell. Who the fuck didn't? Zack and Slater were obviously better than Screech. Screech was a punching bag idiot. Or Stefan over Steve Urkel. Steve Urkel sucked. Stefan was cool as hell. In Family Matters will not produce the best engineers.

[Top Lobster]

Clint, who creates those? Who creates these kind of Hollywood movies and TV shows? And why would they.

[Clint]

I'm not doing this.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. I'm just saying. Seems like he's right, though. He's right. He's right where you're venerating the wrong people. But like it's, it's intentional but though.

[Clint]

I mean, you can make a cool nerd, though. Like you can make a nerd that, that you, that you look up to. I'm. It's alluding me of an example there, there are examples in Hollywood that have done this, but these are like this was, this was when nerds were still being kind of degraded nerds. Like what's the Big Bang Theory?

[Unknown]

Yeah, yeah. They're never ready now. And by the way, we've learned that that was actually the wrong move because we've championed a bunch of weaklings and nerds and now we've wondered why masculinity, but absent from, from our culture.

[Clint]

Thank you. This is actually the bigger point I wanted to make. And as you know, I don't often disagree with Vake, much to Owen Benjamin's consternation, but I actually think it's not a good thing to venerate the nerds. I think that, that the nerds, particularly in the natural hierarchy of humanity, if you're weak and unable to defend yourself, you're going to deal with some abuse. Now that is not good. And I'm not advocating for that. But I will say this. It is not advisable for a civilization to be ran by those people because at the, at the end of the day, they are seeking vengeance for past injustice.

[Unknown]

That's what we learned.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, exactly. The, the Anthony Fauci's of the world. Like, do you think that he was cool in high school? Probably not. And he's become an absolute demon as an adult. You don't want people like that in positions of power. I stand by that as much as I'm not a fan of the. You Know, high school quarterback. He's kind of a douche too. He would probably be a better president than the head of the, the, you know, science class. Right?

[Unknown]

Just being honest, that's, I think, I think you're. When you're a child and you're out on the outside of the in group, it does create resentment in you. And then we see a lot of those people, we gave that a chance, culturally speaking. We championed the nerd for probably the past decade, maybe 15 years. And I think that it's been an experiment that's gone on long enough that we can see the fruits of that experiment. And it is that these people actually harbor a tremendous amount of resentment. And in the many ways that they are weak physically and confidently and in their personality, it actually manifests as really undesirable traits in other aspects of their personality. We've seen this unfold and what we've also seen is the removal of that flavor of masculinity from the west. And we have suffered greatly for it. You know, it's, it, it's why we've seen rise given to that expression of hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create bad times. It's a cycle that history, you know, seems to display pretty obviously. And I think we're done with the experiment. We've seen what it does. It does just that, it creates hard times.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, unfortunately, I think that the, the cycle is kind of unstoppable. You know, we, we went through really good times. And the really good times that Vivek is lamenting were the 90s. Those were probably the best times. And I know this is because it's from my childhood. People are just going to assume that I'm, I'm, I'm being nostalgic, like. Yeah, no, you can actually look at it. America was crushing. We had, we had $1 trillion in debt. One trillion by the early 90s. That's it. Not 36, 37 or whatever. It's going to be in a couple of days here. And there was no other superpower to compete with. The USSR had just fallen. There was no wars other than just wars of, you know, for funsies for the military industrial complex. We had no, we had no threats, no fights. Economies crushing, social cohesion is fairly high, even though you did have the, the Rodney King riots and all that stuff.

[Unknown]

But racism was like at a low. Right. It was like when we were absolutely, we were leaning into the idea that we were all different and that's what Makes us special. That was what we were being told. Now it seems like there is no difference and all this other crazy crap. But yeah, culturally, we were in a beautiful place too. As far as art and what was being manufactured at that time, the greatest movies, the greatest shows, the great. You know, all of that shit was, was happening in the 90s. We've since suffered tremendously.

[Clint]

Half. Half of the most famous influencers and people in the world, or in America at least, were black.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Michael Jordan, Oprah, Eddie Murphy. I mean, black people were crushing in the 90s. And then, and then by the time the 2000s or the 2010s roll around, we find out all of us that grew up loving black people are racist now. And it was like, fuck what happened. But anyways, I do think that the cycle is. Is essentially unstoppable. I think that Vivek is wrong though, in that that was. That was indicative of the problem. I don't think that the problem is that we need to lionize nerdom.

[Unknown]

Like that's. Yeah, that's how it worked.

[Clint]

The way civilization normally functions is that those with small peckers end up becoming rich because they need to find a way to mate. Okay? So there's nothing wrong with that. We don't need to pretend that everyone's got a big wall, a big wang. Everyone's going to find a way to compete with whatever skill set they were offered. If you were offered great looks, you're probably not going to be as hard charging as a guy who's ugly. If you have a big dong, you're probably not going to be willing to work 60 hours a week. Okay? That's how it works.

[Unknown]

Can you pull up that picture of your dong?

[Top Lobster]

No, it's a picture of Clint. So.

[Clint]

No, it's a.

[Top Lobster]

It's a line. It's a dot graph chart where it's penis size versus income at the very top.

[Unknown]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

There's just one dot and there's Clint right there. The rest of us are just kind of in the middle.

[Clint]

No, no, no, no.

[Unknown]

You know, I want to ask you guys.

[Clint]

Hilarious though.

[Unknown]

I'm surprised that you haven't seen this and maybe I'm wrong in seeing it, so please tell me if I'm wrong. But it feels very much like the argument here is because Americans suck, because their culture.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's.

[Unknown]

Is. Is such that it is conducive to sucking. So does this not feel like it rhymes with why is there such a. And I'm not going to go on a tangent here. I'M not going to go where you think I'm going to go, Clint, so don't worry. But I'm just saying, why is there a disproportionate representation of Jews in our politics? Why is there a disproportionate amount of Jews in the Nobel category, Nobel Peace Prize category.

[Clint]

And you're absolutely going where I thought you were going to go.

[Unknown]

Okay, fine. I lied to you. So. So the answer is because, and it really, it boils down to this is what everybody's become pretty comfortable with. They're better. Intellectually speaking. They're better. And it's just a wild premise to put out.

[Top Lobster]

Super demoralizing. Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown]

Racism. And one, you're never allowed to say white people are superior intellectually. Then insert race. Right. You're not allowed to say that, spirit fingers. But they've said that to us and they've said it on a grand scale. And they're saying.

[Top Lobster]

Now they're saying it about Indian people, which is so insulting to me. I've seen what you do.

[Unknown]

I want you to tell me that I'm, that I'm wrong. Is this not the same shit just repackaged by a different race? It's. Indian people are excelling in these fields because they're better than Americans, in this case because of their culture. But it's the same thing as we are disproportionate, award winning, Nobel Peace Prize people because we're smarter than you. It's the same, is it not?

[Clint]

Well, here's, here's my perspective on it. So I think that first generation or second generation immigrants just tend to be of better stock than domestic born Americans simply because they are the type of people that, especially legal immigrants that went through that process. Because it's fucking hard as hell if you get here and then you have kids. Like you have already demonstrated that you're the type of person that's trying to achieve something that's better than basically everybody else, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Clint]

And this good. This is, this is not a racial or cultural thing as much as it is like these. This is just how Americans are built. Like go ahead.

[Unknown]

Cultural thing. Because no to Clinton. So what I'm saying is in boxing you can see this where a lot of times it'll be like a downtrodden race. Who has. This show is brought to you by the Van Man Company. If you're like me, then you're constantly trying to avoid products that contain harmful chemicals, especially when it comes to skin care and hygiene from fluoride in the Toothpaste to aluminum in the deodorants. Avoiding these products can become a full time job. That's why we're excited to team up with the Van Man Company to bring our listeners a solution. The Van Man Company offers a range of incredible products like their miracle tooth powder made from natural ingredients like peppermint oil, ancient sea salt and baking soda. And the best part, it's 100% fluoride free. They even offer an aloe mouth rinse. How about their tallow and zinc sunscreen made from ingredients. Ingredients like organic olive oil, organic beeswax and 100% grass fed and grass finished beef tallow. And there's more. With products like tallow and honey soap, coconut and magnesium deodorant and peppermint beeswax lip balm. You can't go wrong. From head to toe, the Van man has you covered. Listeners of this show can use promo code Nephilim at checkout to receive 10% their entire order at Vanman Shop. Or you can click on the link in the description below. That's promo code Nephilim. N E P H I L I M for 10 off your entire [e-mail]. from head to toe. The Van man has you covered. Who has a lot of trouble economically in their country. They come to America, they become boxing phenoms. You will see the Italians dominate for a period. You, you saw the Irish dominate for a period. You see black people dominate for a period. You see Mexico dominate for a period. The baton gets passed and it seems to be a correlation with how hungry you are as a people.

[Clint]

It's, it's irrefutably true. And, and I love those people, I think, I mean, that's what, I'm a huge fight fan too. I'm a huge boxing fan. I love to see the underclass find a way to become one of the richest, most, you know, famous people in the world. I think that's fucking awesome. So I, I apply that to Indians too. Because the Indians that get here are the creme de la creme usually of their nation. There's one. You know, it's true. Hold on, I know you're shaking your head. It's true though. There's 1.5 billion people in India. If you don't think that there's some extraordinarily impressive people that come out of India, you're out of your fucking mind. Vivek happens to be one of them even though he was born in Ohio. You racist.

[Top Lobster]

Anyway, that impressive, but go ahead.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, you're Wrong. But the, the, the point being, I think that the first generation migrant that gets here, be they Chinese, be they Indian, be they from wherever they're, they're, they tend to have offspring that are harder studying, harder charging, you know, more serious people than the domestic born population. Therefore the domestic born population has a hard time competing with them. That's not to say that these people are superior to Americans as much as like the cultural framework of the first and second generation migrant is superior to that of the domestic born. Therefore they end up outperforming. Which by the way is a complete annihilation of the thesis that America is racist. Because first and second generation immigrants tend to kick ass here.

[Top Lobster]

So then how come my fucking tech doesn't work? How come when I call a number I can't get a fucking. Because I just saw somebody.

[Clint]

1.5 billion people in India, not everybody in India is great. That's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying the, the creme de la creme. Think about what a sample size of the.01% most intelligent, hardest working, brilliant people that come out at a 1.5 billion. Think about how fucking smart those people must be.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but there's so many more, Clint. There's so many more that are insane.

[Clint]

I'm not arguing that all people in India are awesome.

[Top Lobster]

No, it's not what I'm doing. What I'm saying is though, is that like what he's making is this like weird general sweeping term where I'm looking at the immigrants that come here and it's like, well, look at these, these Mexicans, they build great house. No, they don't. They suck. They don't. My, my parents door doesn't close because they had some fucking Mexican frame it out. It's like, what does Sam Tripley say?

[Unknown]

He's like, they're great at volume, bad at the details.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I mean it's just not quality work. When you look at shit in America before and it was like this was quality. It's not like that anymore. And you know what? Maybe the current generation is lazy because yeah, like as we've got, we've gone through that cycle. But how much of that laziness is, is because like we maybe, maybe the, I don't know, the upper class got nervous and started importing people from the third world because we were going to need more workers. I don't know. Let these people give these people a shot. Let them, let Americans do what they have to do first.

[Clint]

Yeah, no, I, look, I actually agree with that. That last part that, like, my focus is on Americans. I'm not. I am not, you know, libertarian, globalist type. Like, my. My interest is in my family, my community, then my state, then my country, and then the world. Like concentric circles going outwards.

[Top Lobster]

This is what Jews do. And. And it's very smart. But you go to Borough park, they have their own pizza shop.

[Clint]

Is there anything I can say that you guys won't type back?

[Top Lobster]

No.

[Clint]

Anyways, keep going.

[Top Lobster]

It's what I respect about them.

[Unknown]

Subject.

[Top Lobster]

It's. It's Jews. Black people don't do this, which is why their. Their culture is falling apart and why they are the way they are. But Jews, they'll go to their own Jewish pizza shop, garbage pizza, but they'll go. And they'll frequent that. That pizza store and give them business, right? And it's like, even though it's not as good, they still buy it and it's not as good. It's called Pizza Bagel.

[Unknown]

And they're doing that. They're. They're homogenizing their own communities, right? They're. They're creating a feedback.

[Top Lobster]

There's a financial feedback loop. Imagine, right?

[Clint]

Mike the rapper talks about this all the time. Is like. Like, that's what he wants to do. He wants to have. Because they always talk about how. I forget, what was the black capital of America? Was it Atlanta? There was black Wall Street. Some town. Yeah, black Wall Street. Where was that? I don't. I don't remember where it was. Anyways, so he's saying, we got to support our businesses. We got to support our community. Like, that's. But here's the problem. And here's. Here's what I don't like about this, and this is kind of controversial, but you guys will probably agree, white people in America are the only ones that don't do that.

[Unknown]

I was gonna say it. You should have just let me say it. I'll lie on the book. Well, I was just gonna say. No, you're absolutely correct, if that is a smart thing to do for the future of your community. But if white people engage in that, it's seen as overt racism.

[Clint]

Right?

[Unknown]

And that is racism to the.

[Clint]

Hold on, hold on. It's not just seen as overt racism. It's illegal because the Civil Rights Act. You fucking can't do that. So, sorry, go ahead.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I mean. No, that's a. That's a really solid point. And. And you have to ask yourself, too, when it comes to this, you know, whatever degree of representation in High levels of influence, whether or not it's engineering or politics. The, the representation by let's say India, for example. Now, now how it happens is open for speculation, but you have to ask yourself this question. It's like we've seen what it does on a cultural level, on just a civilian level. When you integrate or attempt to integrate vastly different cultures into one another, what, what ends up happening is they, they also homogenize. They become their own little in groups and there is what. The result of which is a lack in cultural cohesion. Right. If you want to talk about the fabric that makes up America, the fabric is full of holes because everybody is isolated and they're remaining in their own groups. They're not integrating with one another. That's. We have this illusion that that's what happens. But you need only look at like Chinatown as an example of that. Like they will pull away and they will create their own self sustaining in groups where they don't actually have to interact with the rest of America at large. That happens on a civilian level. What happens when it starts happening on a political level and people start bringing over. And this is always been the issue, right, with America. But of course, if you said anything about this, you were racist and, and intolerant. But it's like you have a completely different belief system. Give me a second here. A completely different belief system that is at odds with. If you believe this is a Christian nation and not only are they integrating on a civilian level, but now they're integrating on a political level. And that you're going to see the ramifications of that. You're going to see that culture bleed in from above and below now. And I'm not saying that that's good or bad. I'm just saying expand on that. Where does that lead?

[Clint]

Yeah, well, this is my concern actually is that because white people are, are the only people that don't do that, it does seem as if it's a competitive disadvantage. Like, yeah, you're going to lose because you are, you are not collaborating to look after one another, whereas everybody else is.

[Unknown]

And any attempt to do that is like you said, Clint, seen as racism, even illegal on a business level.

[Clint]

Exactly. So I just want to be very clear. I don't want to do that. I don't want to because I don't identify with all white people and go like, yeah, you're my brother. Like, that's not how I look at the world. And unfortunately a lot of other races do. And I, and I, it's like, because I was born into that mindset or, you know, schooled into it. I don't know which. I, it. I'm very hesitant to go down that line of thinking, and I think that it's extraordinarily divisive. But at the same time, if you're not going to demand the same sort of colorblind worldview of minorities, well, then it, you are, you are, you are mandating that white people start to do the same. And I just, I, like, this is going to be a very controversial thing for me to say, but I think I'm absolutely fucking right or I would not be saying it. This is how countries fall apart, especially a country that's built on diversity. If you don't demand the same thing of the minorities as you do of the majority, well, then you're fucking destroying your country. Okay? You can't have different rules for different groups of people. That was the whole idea of America, is that it was going to be, you know, like, that's the thing.

[Unknown]

You adhere to American culture, one of those, you're whatever you are second to being an American first.

[Clint]

And, and justice is blind. But also, so are we. Like, that's how, that's how we look at it. Everybody was going to, you know, if you work hard, it doesn't matter what you look like, doesn't matter what your religion is, doesn't. Doesn't matter what your sex is. You're going to make it in America, if you like, assuming you don't have, you know, bad luck. That's. That is, that is dying on the vine because you only apply the rules of colorblindness to the majority. I just think, I just think it's actually racist too, because you're permitting minorities to treat white people poorly, whereas we would never allow for white people to do that in reverse. And in fact, we do not allow it.

[Unknown]

White people can't be victims of racism because power structures.

[Clint]

Exactly.

[Unknown]

People have always had power and thereby have always been the enforcers of racism.

[Clint]

Which is why critical theory is so dangerous.

[Top Lobster]

Go ahead, look at that. So take a step back from it now. We've described the old guard of, well, the government and I suppose what's supposed to be coming in, but it's really more of the same. Like if these punishments with the blue check mark is actually about. It's the same thing. It's like white people stepping out of line. What I saw here was I saw Vivek say that his people should get these jobs. He's looking out for people that look like Him. And I'm like, I fucking get it. I don't look like you that much. But I'm not like you. I'm not Indian. I'm more Indian. I identify. I'm more American. I identify as American. So that's my team. But that's. If that's your team and that's kind of what you're telling me, fine. I don't think you should be in American politics. Get the fuck out of here with that. But that's where you're at. I get it. On the other hand, you have the enforcement level that's slapping these people on the hand taking. You took away their blue check mark. But that's not the only thing that he did that Elon Musk. And I don't know if you caught this. You probably did Clinton with his new feature for the block button, right?

[Clint]

Oh, yeah, yeah. If. If, basically, if you get blocked by a lot of blue checks, you are essentially shadow band.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, so. Exactly so. And then he also said, like, he said a couple of things that are like, antagonistic, like you can say what you want on here after he got ratioed to death by a 50 follower account for saying the truth or whatever the truth is as that person sees it and everybody else, which is it gotta hurt, man. You own the platform. You're. You're doing all this shit, you're moving culture, and then still, there's still lines. You just can't move.

[Unknown]

Elon, you would imagine that you speaking truth to power, if power happens to have a blue check mark, would rub them the wrong way. You might get blocked by a lot of powerful people with blue check marks for saying things that make them uncomfortable, but that's not allowed here now.

[Clint]

And then add to that that all it requires is a foreign government or our own government to have, you know, a bot network of verified accounts that goes around suppressing narratives that they don't want to see. Hello. You can't do this. This is a terrible idea. It should have taken 10 seconds for someone to say, hey, this is going to be a problem. Don't go down this path. But apparently that didn't happen. And I find that fascinating. And it does seem as if it does. It's a. It's a kind of a. A backdoor way of narrative control, which is exactly what Elon has espoused the, you know, antithesis to. So I don't know.

[Unknown]

It's uncharacteristic engineering culture. That's what I see. I see the man selectively engineering culture moving little things here and controlling the flow of dialogue and narratives.

[Clint]

Well, let's just be honest. So if you let us talk freely, you're not going to be able to control the narrative and you're not going to be able to control the culture because the. Like. That's why our entire sphere has excelled over the past since Elon bought it, which is why I'm so appreciated by it. For 44 billion.

[Top Lobster]

44.

[Unknown]

Do you think. Yeah, 44. Do you think that a dude spent $44 billion on a platform because of altruism, or does he seek to be the most powerful man with his finger on the.

[Top Lobster]

Brought himself a position in the White House with this move? You don't buy that position through the lens.

[Unknown]

We've been looking at him through this lens of like, what a good guy he is, and it's been a lot of fun and there's been a lot of great things that have come about culturally and politically because of Elon Musk. But we need to get our heads out of our asses in assuming that somebody operating on that high of a level with that much money at stake is doing this for our benefit. When has that ever happened?

[Clint]

Well, it's rare. It's basically a John Galt argument from Atlas Rugged that he's doing it to the benefit of humanity. And look, I am a believer in liberty, and I, as a billionaire, I would do shit like this. So it's not. It's not outside of the realm of possibility that someone with my worldview would. Would rise to the highest level of wealth and do something like that. But that is not me saying that. That's what this guy is. I don't.

[Unknown]

And also, that's not saying that you'd be able to execute that, that other powerful people wouldn't stand in your way and, you know, say, well, because of.

[Clint]

My belief system, I almost certainly wouldn't be able to do what Elon has done because. Because I am a danger.

[Unknown]

I want to go back to this idea where we're talking about what happens when there's a overrepresentation on a civilian level and a political level. The huge problem with that isn't necessarily that we're all going to be worshiping Shiva, because that was a lot of the thing, right? It's like they're going to come here and next thing you know, Christianity is going to be out the window. We're going to be worshiping some other deity from some other foreign country. I don't think that that's necessarily the issue here. I Think that the issue is what's become glaringly obvious to us over the past four to five years. There are major players who seek to subvert our country, who have ill will towards, you know, our principles, our values, our morals. As, as a country, as a unit. If you have this, you know, cultural fabric and it's filled with all of these holes, and those holes being the, the lack of cohesion from one culture to a next, that is just areas for these people who seek to subvert us to stick their fingers in and start tearing at that lack of cohesion is hugely dangerous because then we cannot act as one sound mind with one shared set of principles, one shared sort of set of values.

[Top Lobster]

That's how you created that. That's how you create a generation of people who don't have much hope, who aren't great workers, who aren't building the things that their fathers have built. You start with this, you start tearing at the fabric of society. And what they. They're doing it now like that, that Kim Kardashian video. M. Culkin at the end, he's the.

[Unknown]

Guy that's very strange.

[Top Lobster]

Basically filmed this Kubrick style, Eyes Wide Shut party, Mufasa. You have the Mufasa now in that new movie that they released. He seems to be the bad guy and Scar seems to be the good guy. So, like, the narrative of, like, these stories that we've been told are flipped on their head. And then they look back at us and they go, well, what now? You know, the guy that you believed in is now the bad guy. It's like, what if we switch these roles? And it's like, you're just doing that and P. Diddy, same shit. All of our.

[Clint]

Hold on, I. I gotta, I gotta point this out. Same with Michael Jackson. I gotta point this out. That is critical theory. That's exactly what they've done to the foundation of America. Yes, they say that the, the founders weren't, you know, beautiful, freedom fighting revolutionaries. They were in fact, fucking slaveholders. And that's all they were.

[Unknown]

They've done.

[Clint]

It's not talk about, you will not talk about the good aspect, but this is what I'm saying with Mufasa, is that you're flipping the roles. You're saying the hero is the good guy and the good or the villain is the Clint.

[Top Lobster]

These people. These people. Demons. And I'm not saying, like, you know, any racial type, but no, I'm just saying they're literal demons. I think they're in contact with entities. They can't Recreate. They can only tell you the same story and pervert it. They've been doing it since Pervert, Invert and Pervert. And then it has. But I mean, it's a profound effect. If they keep playing the same move, like, why would you change it? But I'm on to you guys.

[Unknown]

Look, man, even, even all the conspiracy stuff aside, like I said, without cohesion in that fabric, there's just a million opportunities to set people against each other. Here's a little fire I can start because there's a hole, there's a gap in their game. It's like all of it is holes in our game. And if there's too many holes, there's too many advantages for those who seek to subvert us. And if you don't think that there are powerful groups out there that seek to subvert us, I don't know where the fuck you've been for the past five years.

[Clint]

Well, no, there's obviously, you know, powerful interests that would love to subvert us. And, and here's the problem. If you have too cohesive of a unit, of a population, well then you're probably going to figure out who's really running shit. Because whoever's going against the cohesive unit will be, will be instantly perceived as a threat. In this case, that would be the intel agencies, the military industrial complex, the government, foreign governments, whatever. So what, how do you stop us from coming together to identify that? Well, you make us fight each other and, and that's, that's we all become.

[Unknown]

The Spider man meme where we're all just pointing at each other.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Clint]

And this is what I was just going to say. That's exactly what's happening with this H1B debate. Now, I am of the opinion that like, I'm not going to say every time there's division within a movement that's necessarily an op or necessarily a bad thing. I think this is a debate that needs to happen. It's going to test the cohesion of this new right wing dissident movement, which consists of all the way from hardline white nationalists to libertarian nationalists. There's a very wide range of people, including some dissident Democrats, the RFK Jr. Camp.

[Top Lobster]

This is like the big tent. It's like a libertarian big tent, but it's on the right.

[Clint]

It's a really big tent, man. So naturally there's going to be real disagreements and this was naturally going to happen. I think that the timing of it's interesting. I think that before Trump even gets in the white House makes me go like, wow, where the fuck did this come from? On Christmas Day we're tearing each other's throats apart because of H1BS. Like really? So I don't know how to read it at this point, but I am of the opinion that I like open debate and I like contentious arguments. And I think a lot of this has been really high level. I've actually learned a lot. Like I didn't know about the caps on H1BS. In fact, I had to delete a tweet yesterday because I asked Grok. Grok lied to me. It gave me the applications as opposed to the actual accepted, which is apparently capped at 85,000 per year. Anyways, let me give a little bit of background for this. So there's O1s, which is the, the highest level of athletic achievement, intellectual, business, whatever. These are the, these are the superstars that I personally, you guys may disagree. I personally want them wherever they're at. I would love for them to become Americans. I want to, I want to brain drain the rest of the world. I think that gives America the best chance of competing in the next generation, the next century. I think that particularly because I think the AI race is so important. You definitely want to take the smartest people and bring them over here. Especially if we're headed to war, you want to have the smartest people. Operation Paperclip. Right.

[Top Lobster]

Let me just say this though. I will. I want to put an asterisk on that. I. You said I want them to become Americans. That's super important. But look at America. What is America? There's no cohesive culture. So when they come, they bring their own. Yeah, there's no loyalty from, you know, them to us. They're just here collecting a check and using our economy and then who knows what else.

[Clint]

You're absolutely right. And this is the point that I was making earlier, is that if you don't demand of minorities, which includes immigrants, obviously they would naturally be a minority. If you don't demand of them the same thing you do of the majority, the domestic born Americans, and particularly domestic born white people, well then you are asking for trouble. So I am of the opinion that, yes, I am not opposed to all immigration. I think that, that what has made America special is that it is, it is, you know, trend setting, just lunatics that are willing to go out and do something that no very few people on earth would be willing to do, which is leave their, their country and travel thousands of miles across the ocean, particularly before fucking air travel existed. These People were lunatics. My great grandfather was a fucking savage. I don't know what the hell he was thinking. I would have never done that. That's like, crazy shit to do. Yeah, totally, totally uncosy. But then again, he was. I think he was fleeing Germany during World War I, so it probably made sense. But anyway, less cozy. So, so much less cozy than me.

[Unknown]

Isn't it funny, though, Clint? Because it's like the thing that you're asking is very reasonable on its face, but we've been recently handed. This, like, engineered culture that took a long time to engineer, by the way, was engineered by politics. It was engineered by the feminist movement, it was engineered by Hollywood and everything else that's been just feeding us this. This garbage to the point where a very reasonable ask is now determined to be racist. And I think that's why.

[Top Lobster]

It's also why I jump. I didn't really jump down Vivek's throat or Elon, because I was busy on. On Christmas Day doing something else a little. A lot more fun. But it's. It is the reason why when. When you see these things, like, this is my knee jerk reaction, and I'm like, what the. Like, when I hear people using this sort of language, I'm like, what are you getting at? What are you getting at? Because I. Underneath this, like, I've seen this kind of ploy before, and at the end of it, it's usually some kind of weird psyop from the left. So where are you really?

[Unknown]

I also don't like the demoralizing language. It's like, have we not beaten down white American men enough for the past, you know, half a decade or something like that? Like, it's gotten to the point where it's disgusting and it's given rise to. If there ever was a time where racism in America was a trope, it wasn't real. Right? It was like you're. We went through this period of time not long ago where we were so overusing a word that it diluted the actual cases of, like, real vicious racism. Right?

[Top Lobster]

Tower gang at tonight, 9 11, if you're into that.

[Unknown]

But now it's. It's just gotten to the point where that word means nothing anymore, and we're still beating white dudes over the head with it. And now here comes this guy who. Can I paraphrase, seems to be more or less saying, the reason we are winning is because you are not good.

[Top Lobster]

That's what it seems like.

[Clint]

Yeah, look, I understand why that would be offensive, but that has been the conservative argument for years that basically academia is churning out subpar midwits that think that they're fucking awesome and they're useless. And let me tell you, as someone who used to run a company, that's true. The vast majority of young people are fucking terrible.

[Unknown]

It's funny because academia is also pumping out that forementioned culture that we just described that was the epicenter of it.

[Clint]

But, but there is merit to his argument. I think the reason that people are rejecting it is because he is Indian American.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[Clint]

And he is just a bad messenger for that particular message. Yes. But it is true, and every conservative has said this forever, is that you, you have all of these people that now rule over us. This fucking midwit class that comes out and enters HR and enters the government, but they come out of Ivy League school so they think that they're fucking brilliant, but they have been poisoned, their minds are poisoned and they are not capable of actually contributing to a functioning, growing civilization. In fact, they are destructive. They are in their, in their core. They have imbibed of Marxist ideology and critical theory and they're now fucking a danger to the rest of us. So this is why I actually oppose Donald Trump's position, which is funny because the, the people that are most upset with ve also are just usually lionized and, and you know, or love Donald Trump. He came out six months ago and said he wants to staple a green card to every, you know, college degree for any immigrant that comes here and gets that education. And I'm just like that. I want to deport the people that go to Harvard. And I'm not talking about immigrants, I'm saying American born, they are probably the most dangerous people in this country. So I just think that my concern is that the alt right, dissident, right, Nick Fuentes circle, they, they are not focused enough on the underlying problems domestically as much as they are the border. Like they, they and I, and I understand the concerns of the border and I'm not saying that they're wrong to have them, especially when you have 10 to 20 million people come in in a single presidential term. That's insane. But they do not harp nearly enough on the fact that domestic born Americans, including white people, are crazy people and they can't possibly excel and they can't contribute, contribute to the civilization because they have been brought up through public school and then put through academia, which is controlled by Marxists and they come out on the other end useless. Well, thank God no one talks about that.

[Top Lobster]

Thank God they're only Taking minorities in these higher positions now because they'll start coming out. But it gives me a little bit of hope. And it's like a weird racist hope, right? Because I think Ann Coulter said it about Vivek Ramaswamy. She's like, you'll never be president. She told him to his face.

[Clint]

He's like, I would not vote for you because you're Indian.

[Top Lobster]

And she's right. And she's. And she's 100% right now. The guy's a smooth talker. He has great hair. Like, real high up, but real nice hair. I mean, he's got it all. But the fact is, is, like, you have this different look. So Donald Trump comes and says basically the same thing that you're saying. But I don't want to hear from. And I don't want to hear it from Vivek Ramaswamy either. Change your name to something more English. And maybe it would go, yeah, it's just true.

[Unknown]

But aren't you glad that David Store.

[Clint]

Wait, if his name was Vic Johnson, I think you'd probably be cool.

[Top Lobster]

And aren't you glad that's. But that's a survival instinct. If whatever survival instinct that was beat out of us in the last 10 years, there's still some left. So when I see these people, even though they're, like, far on the right and they are annoying, they're groipers. A lot of these, like, white supremacists, I'm like, thank God, because somebody's holding the line. Yeah, some hold the line. Like, you guys go a little too far. But like, before we were. We were doing the opposite and just giving up. And I'm not white. I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I am American. And I think that in the end that that majority that is America is kind of like what it's supposed to be.

[Clint]

That's why this, this is the point that Myron Gaines, a fresh and fit was. He makes regularly, but he was also making on the spaces I was on last night. Another spaces I was on. I don't know what I'm doing with my life. Spaces, Faces.

[Top Lobster]

Spaces. But.

[Clint]

But, you know, he's. I don't remember which nation his relatives come from, but FBI, I think. No, no.

[Unknown]

Isn't his dad a fed?

[Top Lobster]

I don't.

[Clint]

I don't know. But he's, you know, black American, whatever. But he's saying basically, like, I need white people to keep this country together. Like, y'all are the majority. And I want, like, I love America. Because of that. And I want to keep it that way. That's his argument, like. And I think he's sincere. I just wanted to point out real quick that, like, I think that the. The. The Graper thing, the white nationalist thing is all a natural consequence of. It's a. It's a total reaction to the system as it has existed for the past 20 years.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[Clint]

So I. What bothers me is that everyone's so mad at Fuentes. It's kind of like being mad at Trump. Now they think about it, it's like.

[Unknown]

Trump is a natural solution.

[Clint]

He's a symptom. He's not a disease.

[Unknown]

There you go.

[Clint]

Fuentes is not the disease. He's a symptom of it. Do you not understand this? It's that you shamed young white.

[Top Lobster]

I am.

[Clint]

For decades.

[Top Lobster]

I wouldn't be here.

[Unknown]

Like, he's a symptom, but with more conviction.

[Top Lobster]

You've created, you know, in a very small sense, but I wouldn't be doing this and neither would you. Clint. The culture created this. This is your fault if you don't like it. Sorry.

[Clint]

No, that's it. That's a great point. I wouldn't. I wouldn't be a political commentator if you didn't lock down the fucking country, you idiots. You created me. Don't blame me.

[Unknown]

Something strange about this. And when I see something strange, I get a weird vibe. I have to put on the conspiracy hat. It's the only thing that I can do in these instances. And when I look back at the way that Twitter has moved this cultural conversation, to me, it has this thing that doesn't quite feel organic. And we've already explored this idea of whether or not Elon Musk is kind of putting his finger on the scale one way or another. I can't imagine he's not. It would be. Why wouldn't you? So it wasn't long ago that Twitter was on fire because of India. It wasn't long ago that that account Barry was going hyper viral daily to the point where he got his account removed. And all of a sudden, Indians started working together and creating discord groups where they were trying to take down accounts. They were taking down Leonardo Gioni's account. It was one of the most viral things that gripped Twitter for about a week. And now look where this conversation has gone. I'm sorry, dude, that doesn't feel. And I'm not saying I have an answer for that. That does not feel organic. Look what we just went through with Barry and the virality.

[Top Lobster]

It Feels like. So, yeah, like now that you're. That's very conspiracy and very meta. But it's like we've created this emotion. And also just the videos. I mean, I shared the videos. Like, put your hand in my food. Go ahead, put your hand in my food. But you like, they be doing this. It's crazy.

[Unknown]

Black Twitter. Black Twitter found out about India and I have been having such a good time watching black people make fun of.

[Top Lobster]

This is not in India.

[Unknown]

It's the greatest.

[Top Lobster]

This is a decades old battle. This goes back. I mean, it's every couple of years. Yeah, black people fight.

[Unknown]

I just discovered it recently. It's so funny.

[Clint]

Oh, dude. Two years ago there was, you know, it smells crazy in there. And it was like. It was a gang war between India and African Americans. It was awesome.

[Unknown]

But anyways, I look at that and I don't feel like that's organic.

[Top Lobster]

The culture has created this or pushed this in some sort of way. And it's. I mean, it's hilarious. It's got all the viral potentiality and it was allowed to go viral and it is allowed to stay up there. Now we have been presented this argument almost. It makes me feel like. Like a double switch. Like they want us to choose the America first kind of argument. The response from Elon, I don't get it. I think the response from Elon might not. I don't think it's more about people disagreeing with him. I think it's about the way that they did. I don't think he's ever been through this. And there is a sort of mental stress that you get when you're on Twitter, especially if you're addicted to it. And then you get dogpiled like. And you're. And you're wrong.

[Clint]

It sucks.

[Top Lobster]

It sucks.

[Clint]

No, it sucks. Oh, I've never been wrong, but I have been dog.

[Top Lobster]

Me too. Never been wrong, but I've been dogpiled. And I don't like it. It's like I put the phone down and I'll walk away for the rest of the day because I'm like, this is. I know how it works. It'll blow over. But it's just like I can't look at it right now because it's like it's literal mental anguish.

[Clint]

Oh, yeah. And if you engage with it, which Elon was and did. It is. It is backbreaking. Especially if you're used to being really beloved, which Elon, by and large on X is. And also Vivek is too. This is really the first time that Vivek has had any pushback or significant pushback in the broader. I mean, there's fringe pushback, obviously, but I was, I was amazed by. Here, let me, Let me just keep. Wrap up this tweet from him because I. I want people to understand the. The full story. So he says, fact, oh, fact. I know multiple sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates. This is where it gets. I mean, it's. It's already kind of off the rails with these 90s references, but this is where I lost it. He says more movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of Friends. Well, one, yeah, Friends.

[Unknown]

I do agree with that.

[Clint]

I agree with that.

[Unknown]

But Masterpiece?

[Clint]

Have you guys seen Whiplash?

[Unknown]

I loved it. I thought it was tremendous.

[Clint]

It's a great movie. It's a great movie. But. But just keep in mind what it is. It's a guy who's pathologically obsessed with learning how to drum, if I. If I remember correctly. And he like. And he's like a car crash. Look, I'm just saying.

[Top Lobster]

What fucking year does this guy think it is?

[Unknown]

I don't know. It's just weird. The references are strange. What's going on?

[Top Lobster]

He's talking about a better time.

[Clint]

Really.

[Unknown]

It's like he maxed out all the information in that long cranium back in, like 2006. 16. And that was pretty much it for him. There's no more room for anything else he said.

[Clint]

He says more math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. He's definitely not living in this generation because as far as I can tell, I don't think kids are doing sleepovers. I don't think.

[Unknown]

No.

[Clint]

At all. That's actually my problem.

[Unknown]

My. My kid's friend's parents are going to try and trans him. He's not having sleepovers.

[Clint]

Yeah, this is, this is what I'm saying. Like, I don't think kids play outside. I don't think they have sleepovers. I think he's talking about, like, I don't know. This is not the generation we're talking about. Anyways, he goes, more weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons, More books, less tv, more creating, less chilling, more extracurriculars, less hanging out at the mall.

[Unknown]

Can I, Can I stop?

[Clint]

No one hangs out at the mall.

[Unknown]

But I want to. I want to. Let me interject for a second here. This was the worst possible game plan. From a dude who is wildly intellectual and seemingly has his finger on the cultural pulse to then attack nostalgia as if that was going to work out is an insane move.

[Clint]

I don't think he's basically describing Stranger Things and saying Stranger Things sucked. Stranger Things. Stranger Things for kids was awesome. You should reply.

[Top Lobster]

You should reply to me like, stranger Things was a great series.

[Unknown]

This feels weird though. To me. It just feels like a really. A wild miscalculation, one that even I wouldn't make. It's like I would never think that it would be a good idea to attack the things that are beloved and nostalgic to a people.

[Clint]

But. But you're right. And obviously, like he's lost some. He expended political capital with that message and he lost some support. There is a lot of people that now really don't like Vivek. I'm not one of them. I still think at the core of it, the argument he's making is valid. That if you want America to win the next century, you're going to need to continue the practices that brought in the best of the brightest that the world has to offer in order to do so. That does not mean that I want to continue with H1BS. I think the oh ones are awesome because they are truly hard to get. These are the Victor wembanyamas, the fucking 7 foot 5 freaks that come across and they totally revolutionize the basketball game or the NBA that like, I want all of those people to become Americans. I think that's fucking fantastic. The. The H1BS seem to be a kind of a convenient workaround for what amounts to indentured servitude that these, these like middling Indian dudes or Chinese people, they get a job with a corporation that if they lose that job they're deported.

[Unknown]

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[Clint]

So these people are, they work endless hours, they get paid dog shit. And that's like it's just getting fired at all. And you can't risk getting fired or else you get ejected back into your third world country. And you're like, I don't want that to happen. So I'm going to do yes boss, I'll work fucking 20 hours a week. I'll sleep on my lunch.

[Top Lobster]

Get these motherfuckers out of here. Get them out of here. Like again, I agree, I agree what you're saying. I agree with what he's saying. I think he's saying it with a brown face. So that's why it doesn't go over. And I don't like it. But you know, get these guys if they're middle of the middle of the tier people like get them out of here. If you're, if you're elite, yeah, I understand making an exception for you and the, the white people saying like no, no is no. I'll say no is no. But then yeah, obviously we're, if we're presented with a star player, you're like, but come on, like, we'll change the rules a little bit.

[Clint]

But these guys not want Victor, Victor Wembanyama to be an American. This French freak. Yes, of course you do.

[Top Lobster]

You got to give, you got to give the American kids a shot like to do these menial jobs. They're just basically like button pushers. You know, that's what these people are doing. They're showing up for, for work and button pushing and they're not telling you special.

[Clint]

The biggest, the biggest problem. And this, I've made this argument before to open borders libertarians and they will not hear me on it, but I'm absolutely fucking right. Illegal immigration destroyed entry level jobs for, for American born kids. Yes, it destroyed it. You do not see fucking any. Like everybody I knew in high school, everybody worked fast food. We worked the grocery stores, we were getting the carts. Gas station all of us did this generation, almost none of them do.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Clint]

And it's like, you don't think that's a problem. You don't think that that work ethic that you formulate when you're a young adult, that carries on, that, that teaches you not just work ethic, but also jobs you don't want to have. So you can kind of reorient as you're going to college and be like, hey, do I want to work with my mind or do I want to, you know, hammer?

[Unknown]

I don't know what, like you don't have.

[Clint]

If you don't have that first step on the ladder, you are dooming these kids. And that's exactly what we've done for the past 20 years. As we've allowed for increasing illegal immigration year after year. And I. And as maybe these people aren't from California and they haven't seen it, but I'm telling you, it has completely absorbed 90% of entry level jobs in these, in these states that are especially border states. And then it's a, it's a tragedy.

[Top Lobster]

For a guy with, with, with a brown face and a red dot to then look and say it's because Boy Meets World is insulting. It's like, well, it's from. No, it's from years of this policy. Yeah, sure, the culture does contribute to this in some sort of way, but that's like the sprinkling on the cake, man. We bake this.

[Clint]

I think to David's point, it's like if he had, if he had really emphasized, which I think he should have, was that the ladder has been pulled up for a huge percentage of young white men in this country, and they happen to be the majority, or at least the plurality demographic is still young white men in America. And you've just said, fuck you, you're racist and you're the problem, and you're basically the bane of our existence as a country. And then, oh, you don't get married, you don't have kids. Oh, you don't make as much money as your father did or your parents did. You're such a failure in every regard. But here's the reality. The latter was pulled up because of DEI policies and affirmative action policies that made college admittance more challenging, that made getting into corporate America more challenging. It's like you've put road stops in front of them every step of their lives. And then you go, why aren't you as good as your parents? And they, and they have to look in the mirror and say, if they're not, you know, if they don't understand how the system's been manipulated, many of them say, I don't know why, why am I not doing as well as my dad did? And that hurts. That hurts any young man that wants to achieve what their, their parents did before them. And it's like you think that they're going to just eat that? Like, sure, some of them eat it and they become suicidal or others go the other direction. They go, you, yeah. And they figure out, you know, all of the shenanigans that have been played to actually hurt them and put them at a deficit and then they become gripers. And it's like, this is my point is that if you don't actually just be honest about this stuff, if you don't stop the shame game of oh, I can't believe that you're this white nationalist shit, it's like if you don't actually deal with what created this phenomenon, well, it's only going to grow and that, and that feeds directly into the system that the state is actually trying to work against, which is bigger. Three letter agencies, bigger spying, bigger, you know, gun crackdowns, speech crackdowns, censorship. It's like, you don't want any of that, right? I don't. So how about we deal with the underlying problems that is creating the issue that is allowing for the state to metastasize. So I'll get off my.

[Unknown]

Well, instead now we're in this, in this place where the sort of the stage has been set. There was kindling and now we've got full blown fire. And that kindling was like all of this resentment of a racial variety. Right. For all the reasons that you just mentioned, that was sort of boiling up underneath the American cultural surface. And now I feel like we're in this place where, you know, I know I keep alluding to it and you have to forgive me, it's. There's something wrong with me. But I go it, it looks to me as though this really promising kindling was effectively set aflame by these little cultural moments along the way. And where we are now, it feels like this whole India conversation, like India just, you know, got a nail in the coffin because we were already in this place. For those of you who are on Twitter, where I guess you could say the noticing was like at this all time high and, and over the past year I've really gotten this, this sensation that so much of the big cultural movement moments, especially the ones of the, the racial variety are, are they're organic in the sense that they've been growing, the sentiments have been growing and developing for, for some time. But the moments that have taken off don't feel organic to me. They feel like somebody taking advantage of this kindling having existed previously. And so I look at this as. I don't think it's a joke, man. I'm not screwing around when I say this Big Barry conversation and where it was going only two months ago, something like that, it was, it was gripping Twitter. It was like you would wake up and you would go, oh no, what did India do? And the. We've seen the way memes and virality affect the culture. And we need to be looking at Twitter X. As much fun as we're having there. Very skeptically, because I think it is manufacturing high level cultural movements. It's adding the straw to the camel's back, if you will. That's all that it has to do well.

[Clint]

And I'm just trying to, I guess, identify the existing straw that's on the camel's back already and being like, I'm not interested in having this camel collapse. And it's like the camel is the country. Sorry, I'm playing off this analogy way too much.

[Unknown]

But the camel is the country.

[Clint]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown]

And these Indians keep coming here. It's going to become camel country. No, I'm sorry, I'm just.

[Clint]

They don't even have camels, you fucking racist.

[Unknown]

Wrong place. Wrong place.

[Clint]

But anyways, I, I think this is like, I'm genuinely concerned and I think that's. That at the end of the day, that's really why I do these Twitter spaces, is to understand the pulse a little bit better. Because, like, I don't have this worldview. I am not a white nationalist. Like, I'm not. But I really do understand the phenomenon. Like when you have black people that basically sound like white nationalists from the 1980s, like Myron Gaines does, he sounds, he sounds like David Duke or some shit. It's like this is a, this is a phenomenon that is not. It's no longer racial either. Like, this is just a young American man thing. Yeah, they, they are seeing that they are being replaced. I know I can't say that, but that's, that's how they feel. And if you don't, if you don't deal with their concerns. Young men are the most dangerous people in any culture.

[Unknown]

Oh, yeah.

[Clint]

Any time, all over the world. That's just reality. And if you're going to abandon them and shame them and disenfranchise them and.

[Unknown]

Then, and then Tell them that their childhood is the reason for why they suck today. Everything that they love from their childhood.

[Top Lobster]

Huge mistake by Vivek. I don't think he meant it that way. Again, he's right in his message. Just like you got to know when you can say it. I know what I can say and what I can't say and what people will be mad at because of how I'm representing myself. That's kind of tone deaf for somebody who should know a little bit better. But, yeah, to the Myron Gaines thing, these. And this is a, like a Pete Canyones thing. I have Merry Christmas. This has been like three years since he docks you. But he said, he said one thing and I'll never forget, he's like, the empire is collapsing. Start building what you want to see in its stead. And the guy like my. A guy like Myron Gaines and Andrew Tate, we talk about this a lot. This red pill movement. They're building this thing. They've. They've successfully seen what's wrong with men. They position themselves in a way to say, follow me, young, young disassociated men or disaffected men. And we're going to move in this direction and the direction they're going. Young men, you don't want to go in that direction.

[Unknown]

This is a huge problem because it is. It's a. It's a power vacuum that's been created and something needed to fill that week. Something needed to step in its place. And I think the most damaging thing stepped in its place. It's this idea that men need to be with a Hiram of women. Men need to be driving Bugattis. They need to be shirtless at a long table, eating dinner nightly with a bunch of other shirtless men, smoking cigars.

[Clint]

That. That's all, all wrong.

[Unknown]

It's all wrong. Can we just roll back to take responsibility? Try to make your community better. Try to better yourself. Find someone, love someone, raise a child, raise a family, contribute to society. You know, maybe strengthen your relationship with God if you believe you have a creator. I mean, this is.

[Clint]

This is why. This is why I love this. I don't know, this just being able to analyze this stuff and kind of. Because I have a large account, whenever I go into these spaces, I'm always brought up to speak. Whichever space I'm in, I always get to talk. And that's fantastic because, you know, when you have a smaller account, it's much harder to get the mic. But because of that, I get to engage with these people. I get to actually, like, and, and, and just listen to. And it's like, it's so obvious that this phenomenon is not going away. And, you know, the state would love to just turn them into terrorists and, and start to run Predator drones all over the United States. Like, I shit you not. Like, that's. I guarantee you they're already talking about that. So it's incumbent upon us, especially people that aren't white nationalists, which I'm not saying you guys aren't. I am not. It's incumbent upon me to actually have a say in this, in this environment, to try and guide these young people a little bit as to, like, hey, there's a lot of merit to what the Myron Gaines and the Andrew Tate and the Tristan Tate of the world say, but I think that their prescription may be off. Here's why. And it's like, if you want to actually help these, these young men and not. And not turn them into the inverse, where you have basically a Black Panther movement, well, now you have these White Panther movement. Like, do you want that? Do you want to have this fucking militarized? Like, Patriot Front. Jake Shields just interviewed them. Like, I don't want that, man. I don't want to fucking live in a country that's identitarian and armed to the teeth. Like, that's how you get into really ugly civil wars.

[Top Lobster]

This is. So it's what the other side did. Like, like, Michelle Obama did the same thing with, you know, feminist in the last 10 years. She writes a book about being an independent woman, goes on Oprah, talks about this and all that. But it's like, you're married to the strongest man in the world, the most powerful man in the world at the time, and you're telling your constituents, don't get married. Don't seek a relationship. You know, seek out your career, do this and that. I was like, but you didn't do that. You. You're doing the opposite. And I think, you know, Andrew Tate might be very well doing the opposite as well. And I don't know what they do in their personal lives.

[Unknown]

I think he's like. He's like, the feminist movement for men. The ways in which the feminist movement has failed women by telling them to focus on the wrong things is very similar. It rhymes with the ways in which this red pill movement is telling young men what's important.

[Clint]

Again, though, symptom, not the disease.

[Unknown]

No, no. But what is disheartening is that we had a brief moment where that message was out there, and then something happened. And you can speculate as to what that something was. But Jordan Peterson was out there telling people to have families, to strengthen their relationship with God, to raise children. Good.

[Clint]

And then his life was ruined.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Then he went to Russia on stuck on benzos, came back wearing a, you know, a two tone suit.

[Clint]

And then the question is, teaching credentials. Yeah, go ahead.

[Unknown]

Yep. And to me, the question becomes, is that organic or is there some other force steering culture? Because you look at the ones that are elevated and you look at the ones who had all that potential. I have those two books, you know, 12 Rules for Life and 12 additional rules, Antidote to Chaos. They were tremendous. I took a lot of pointers on how to raise my son from Jordan Peterson. And now I look at that guy as a joke. And it, to me, it's not lost on me that somebody would have benefited from that, somebody who didn't want to see that culture come to rise. Because that culture is the antidote for chaos. That is the remedy to fixing the holes in the cultural fabric, to bringing cohesion to a United States. Again, that book, if everyone were to implement some aspects of that into their own lives, would fix a lot of the issues that we have. And now that guy doesn't exist.

[Clint]

Yeah. What I find fascinating about Jordan is that he understands the, you know, scripture and the allegories. I don't know if you guys consider them allegories.

[Unknown]

I do, but I think there is allegory within it.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[Unknown]

But there's also, it's, it's multi leveled.

[Top Lobster]

Sure.

[Clint]

But he, he understands, he's so, so in depth and he's, he's explained them in such eloquent way.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Clint]

And he's done these, these deep dives with, I think it's Jonathan Pago or whatever. And yet he still isn't Christian. At least he doesn't espouse it fully. He doesn't believe in God. I just, I just find that, like, I can't imagine dedicating so many years of my life to that, to understanding that and then not coming away a believer. I think that's fascinating. What do you guys.

[Unknown]

I was, I was in that camp for a while because I wasn't always Christian. And I was exposed to Jordan Peterson's work before I came to, you know, epiphanies and realizations and changed my, my aim. And I was very much on board with that. It was only like, later on that I realized, like, no, there is truly spiritual aspects that are very real that are surrounding us at all times. And he's Missing that element. Now, I can only speculate as to whether or not you have this character who is steering the culture and then gets this one very important detail drastically wrong and the damage that that does in the. In the long run to a people. But I. I think it's probably a little bit easier to look at Jordan Peterson like a boxing coach who is a phenomenal teacher but cannot box himself. Very many cases.

[Clint]

Ah, interesting. That's a great. That's a great comparison. He's. He's Freddie Roach. Even though Freddie Roach was a boxer.

[Top Lobster]

A lot of other guys, right?

[Unknown]

But he's training like Manny Pacquiao and everything, and he's training like the. The best of the best on the planet when he himself is not quite that.

[Clint]

You know what's interesting, too, when you go through benzo withdrawals, you get the shakes just like Freddie Roach.

[Top Lobster]

Sorry, this, this.

[Clint]

This is a. That's the type of fucking comparison that very few people could make because I'm a huge, huge boxing fan and a huge, like, political commentary.

[Unknown]

But that's like, all right, look, there is a lot of strange stuff, right? If you want to get into the conspiracies. People think that it's actually like Sacha Baron Cohen is now, you know, whatever the case may be, is. Is Jordan Peters. I think it's funny, and I've seen, you know, images that I go, well, that's something to that. But the fact of the matter is he went away for a period. He came back a dramatically different man. Something happened to Jordan Peterson that we're not privy to. And something made him pivot in a direction that forever tanked his reputation. And by the way, it's so much more than a reputation, because at the time, he was. And I don't like to do this to human beings. I really don't, but he was like a beacon of hope for young men in America. He was exactly what we. We do not need.

[Top Lobster]

Exactly what we need.

[Unknown]

We do not need the Tate others. We do not need Myron Gaines. We need who Jordan Peterson was.

[Clint]

I gotta. I gotta say this, though, I have to interject because I agree with you. I think Jordan Peterson represents a much better message to young men, particularly when it comes to the fact that he's been married for decades and decades and has a loving family. And, yeah, like, no doubt he's a better role model.

[Unknown]

However, bang.

[Clint]

Myron Gaines, Andrew Tate, allegedly. I have no idea.

[Unknown]

Worst possible.

[Top Lobster]

I don't like that. That's the worst criticism of Jordan Peterson. His daughter. Listen, listen, it Is what it is.

[Unknown]

Your kids are going to do whatever they're going to do.

[Clint]

Here's the point I was going to make, though. It's not. If you believe that it's an opt to destroy Jordan. Jordan Peterson. You have to recognize that this is not just against Christianity. This is not just against a positive role model. This is about dispiriting young men entirely. Because Andrew Tate does not represent a Christian. You know, get married, settle down, have role model. Yeah, he's Muslim, too, now, but they still destroyed him, too. So what I take away from that is.

[Unknown]

Well, I mean, did they. Looks like Jordan Peterson was.

[Clint]

He spent a year in jail, but.

[Unknown]

He'S crushing it right now. Didn't you see him doing lat lifts on Christmas?

[Top Lobster]

He's out doing the same thing. He's out doing the same thing he was doing before, though. Like, Jordan Peterson is very much. Not now he's dead.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

He's working Daily Wire. He's a shell of what he was before. And it's like, yeah, again, if we're gonna talk about Christianity being subverted, it's like, well, now you know who's the majority of white men that he's reaching in America. It would have been young. Go ahead.

[Clint]

But see. But see, this is. This is why I respect Andrew Tate more than I do Jordan Peterson. That's gonna upset a lot of people. I don't give a fuck. Because it's true. Andrew Tate spent months and months and months in prison, and he doesn't fucking stop. He doesn't relent. He doesn't really even change his message. In fact, he fucking kind of goes harder. That is not Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson doesn't have that in him. He is not a fighter. He said, you know, line up, get your jab. Everything else, he caved every time.

[Unknown]

Yes.

[Clint]

Kavanaugh hearings. He's like, step down, Trump. He's like, step down. He. He doesn't. He doesn't have the backbone. In the fire, like, in the heat of battle, Andrew Tate, for all of his flaws and there's plenty he has that big time he had. And I think that's what I like about Andrew Tate. That's the message that I hope that young men take away from a person like Andrew Tate, is that, like, even if some of these hurdles that have been put in front of the Tate brothers may have been of their own making, they still are fucking fighters to the death. These two brothers sat in prison next to each other and said, we will sit here until we die. We don't Give a fuck. And they talk about it all the time. And I'm just like, that is awesome. Like, I fucking love my brother. I could totally see, like, if the fucking system was coming after me and my brother, we'd just be like doing push ups, doing push ups, smoking cigars, just like trying to bang the prison guard. Like, that's exactly what I would do with my brother if we were locked up in prison. So when I see that in them, it's inspirational. That's, that's the type of shit that, like, young men don't get that. You certainly don't get that from Jordan Peterson. So in that one arena, I like the Tate brothers better. I do.

[Unknown]

I would say out of that for Peterson is if you were to speculate and it's only speculation that what he was exposed to was genuine and horrifying and what the Tates went through was some sort of theater. But no, listen, here is he conjecture and speculation.

[Top Lobster]

If you take.

[Clint]

I don't think so.

[Top Lobster]

If you take one guy and you put him up and you lionize him and you follow everything he does, you're creating a God or Jesus type. Don't do that with people. People are people. But Jordan Peterson was great at what he did. His lane was perfect. And that, that kind of attitude, that masculine energy that Andrew Tate does bring, not like some, like, he does a lot of weird stuff, but that, that aspect of him, I would want my son to see that and be like, do you see that shit? Follow that. Yeah, but what he says about woman, that's a bad idea. Just depart from him there and, and follow someone else.

[Unknown]

Can't we get like a buff, tan, shirtless Jordan Peterson? So gay instead? Can't we get a Jordan Peterson that smokes cigars and doesn't wear a two tone suit and does drive a Bugatti? Like I want, I do want that, or maybe not a Bugatti. Something just like a really nice classic Oldsmobile. Like something, a 1980s, something that's in really good condition. And he's putting out that instead, right? He's like, go back to, to nostalgia, you know, instead of whatever the we're got.

[Clint]

I think this is actually good, this is actually a good way to end it too. I think that your, your heroes are always flawed. Like they're going to be flawed. So the, the important thing is to like that. That in itself is a lesson to young men, is that you, you're going to have to pick and choose the best aspects of your role models. Because like, Kobe Bryant was awesome. And he was a unbelievable psychopath when it came to training and practicing and shooting and everything else. But he's also a bad teammate. Okay. Like, so do you want to be that guy in your life all the time? Because you're gonna fucking destroy some, you know, familial bonds and friendships and shit like that. But, like, do you want to have his work ethic when you need to? Yes, you do. So, and then Jordan Peterson, do you want to understand, you know, philosophy in a really deep level and be able to apply it and still have strength but also be sensitive? Yes. Do you want to have the animalistic fight, fight, fighter instincts that the Tate brothers represent? Yes. Take just a sprinkle from all of these people and then formulate the best version of yourself. And I think that's. That, I hope, is what young people will do. And then also take the. The wit of Nick Fuentes while we're at it. All right. Anyways, I just want to upset people by.

[Unknown]

No, I don't think that's upsetting. I think that was. That was a lot of sense. The problem you should be doing, the.

[Top Lobster]

Problem comes is when. When they put people under a microscope and you see it happen all the time, and it's, you know, I'm guilty of it as well. But, like, they're just people. And when you really look at them and you look at their characteristics and whatever they're representing, it's like it doesn't add up to what you built in your head. And young kids are going to do that. But that's why that. I think that's why the most important message is God and Jesus Christ. Like, look up to that. Don't look up to me. Don't look up to all these other people. Like, there's already an archetype that has been well developed, and there's a story, if you want to follow that, like the perfect person, that it's there for you. If not, you've got a bunch of shitty recreations of it that will eventually lead you astray if you follow that to the logical conclusion of wherever they're bringing it. They always. They always will. And I will, too. So will Clint. Like you. You don't want to be like me. We're going to do something wrong. Don't. Just don't do that. But before you end, Clint, I just. I did want to say I wanted to apologize to fucking nobody. That was absolutely nobody. I'm not apologizing. I mean, you took the bait and. Yeah, it is what it is.

[Clint]

I hope you learned those that don't know. Top went to war with Tim Pool a couple days ago.

[Top Lobster]

It wasn't war.

[Clint]

Is that on Christmas?

[Top Lobster]

It was on Christmas too. Something was on Christmas. People lost their shit.

[Unknown]

I ratioed Tim Pool on Christmas.

[Top Lobster]

Can I ask you before you, before you go. Clint, you said that he was so. I sort of believe what you're saying that he was playing along as well, which is a very stupid move to do number one.

[Unknown]

I think he was, I think a little bit.

[Top Lobster]

But I felt like there was.

[Clint]

Like I talked to him for half an hour after all this went down. So I was having fun with a lot of insight.

[Unknown]

I was having fun. I. The line with the infinity pool, I said, can you kind of want to be on the show? But I've never been on an.

[Top Lobster]

Here's the thing, though. If. If we would have been doing that to Tim irl, like to his face, I think he would have gotten red and got mad. I don't. He doesn't seem like the dude that plays along, but right for him to answer me back.

[Clint]

I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

It made no sense to answer me back at all. It just seemed uncharacteristic. Yeah.

[Clint]

And.

[Top Lobster]

But then not just answering back once, five times, repeat is like. He cycled in like he called us retarded a number of times. He called us invalids, was very funny and everything. We responded back. He threatened me. I don't give a fuck what just say. That was an odd. That was an odd back end of threat. I don't know what that meant.

[Clint]

Can I, can I explain it?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, please.

[Clint]

Okay. So the point was he had. Had you on his show and like, if you, if you get invited on a show and then you turn around and you blast somebody, you're not going to get invited back. Like that's natural. Right. And you, you know this. I wouldn't.

[Unknown]

Like, there are some things that are more important than being invited back.

[Top Lobster]

Principle, maybe.

[Clint]

No, of course. And that's totally fine. I'm not sure what Principal Top was going after Tim for in this regard, but anyways, he was just making the point that, like, are you going to do this? And then when you don't get invited back on, use it as evidence that the Jews are controlling him. Like, that's. Yeah, I know, I know you're going to. But he's saying, he's saying it's your actions. And this is what I talked to him about is he's saying, like, that's essentially what Candace Owens has done. Like she's she. Her audience is still thriving, but she's lost all of her sponsors. But because of, you know, because of that, she can now turn around and say, see, everything I'm saying is true because I lost my sponsors because everything I'm saying is true. And it's kind of the circular reasoning. Whereas maybe not everything you're saying is true. Maybe there are aspects of it that are true, but it's also not palatable for advertisers.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know how long you're going to drag this episode out, but listen, he. It started because the Babylon Bee was once again being subvertive and doing this weird wishy washy thing where they're like, we're Christians but for the Virgin Mary. And like, like this. Tim kind of ran cover for them.

[Clint]

He. Well, he made a joke about Krampus, but yeah, go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, but this is. We know what it is. Listen, it's. It's also insulting. It's insulting for like the people that do understand what you're doing and I understand you've got friends and you've got interest. Fine. But I'm going to call you out on it when you do it then. He plays coy. I just said, I said, hey, already on the Daily Wire payroll. If you sell, I don't give a shit if you don't. Whatever. This is a joke. He answers. And what does Santa have? Now you're playing stupid. What does Santa have to do with Krampus or the Daily Wire? Yeah, I know you're. I know your audience is filled with retards, but I know what you're doing here and you've been doing it for a while and it's fine. This is how you get paid, whatever this is. And this also may be what you believe. If this is what you believe. Cool. I don't know what Tim Pool believes that at this point I've stopped trying to figure it out. So I just said, just keep running cover. And then he goes, you're retarded. And I go, you're the Michael Malice line. He answers back again. This, this is the threat. Is the intention to destroy all opportunities for yourself so that when people start avoiding you, you can blame the Jews? All right, I don't. All opportunities. What, by talking to you or by telling the truth as I see it? Is that the opportunity? Because you have nothing to offer me like I went on your show.

[Clint]

Yeah, I know. And from your perspective, I completely understand why you took that as a threat. Let me get that out of the way. What he's saying is, if you get invited on a show, like, look at. Look at Milo or Laura Loomer. Like, they go ballistic on people. Like, do you think that they've been canceled and that's why they don't get invited back on Glenn Beck or whatever? It's like, no, you don't get invited on things because at a certain point, you just come across as so fucking dangerous and toxic that people stop giving you those. Those invites. So he's saying you're behaving in a toxic fashion, and you're going to lose opportunities, and then you're going to blame the Jews as evidence of, like, look, I'm. I'm being persecuted because of my beliefs.

[Top Lobster]

I understand that.

[Clint]

As opposed to my actions. So that's what's the point he was making.

[Top Lobster]

Here's what's happened, though, because. And I know Tim Pool is in a different tax bracket than all of us, and I understand that he's got millions of followers and all that, and I also understand that he's got those millions of followers by showing up at Occupy Wall street right when this whole racial stuff started to happen. I don't know when it started to fall apart, Tim. But here's the deal. You have this audience now that you have to play nice with, or you'll lose everything. Me, I'll say this. I don't give a fuck who hears it. I know exactly who I am, and I know people know who I am. And whether I'm successful or not, that's completely up to me. But up until now, I've used this strategy of saying what I think with a little bit of humor and telling the truth, and I don't care. Even if it's come off bombastic and people don't like it. I've said what I think, and in the end of the day, why the fuck else would I buy this microphone and sit here for hours at a time to say it? You can't do that anymore, Tim. Okay? And this was. Maybe it wasn't a threat, but maybe it was an admission on his part, and I'm sorry that you can't say. And whatever. Blame the Jews, whatever strawman you'd like to create for the next psyop that's brought upon us. You can't say what you want. That's sad, dude. I don't even know if what you have to say is. Is even valuable, because I've never really heard you say what you really think. I'd love to know what you really think, but you're telling us that you've never been candid with your audience? I'm going to be candid. I'm going to see where this fucking lands. I've been canceled from a bunch of shit. I've landed on my feet every single time, and every single time I've been better off for it. I'm in a better situation with my family, my friends, the people around me and my mental sanity for being able to say what I think in this. This end. End of days scenario. So that's where I'm at with it.

[Clint]

Well, and here's the truth. Like, there is this. Actually, I know about this because of my business school. It's upstart versus established business. Like, we are upstarts. He's an established business. Upstarts are taking much more provocative. They take risks. They do things that major corporations simply can't. Tim, as far as a political commentator goes, is a major corporation.

[Top Lobster]

I get it.

[Clint]

So he's not going to be able to take the risk that you and I can.

[Unknown]

So rigid.

[Clint]

Yeah, I get.

[Top Lobster]

And I get it.

[Clint]

I just understand that. And I guess I don't take it personally. Like, I know Tim personally. I know. I know his beliefs. I think that he is just a much more moderate person than you are, or I am, for that matter. And I think oftentimes people assume that he's like, he's. He's running away from topics to try and keep his advertisers maybe. I don't think so. I think that he genuinely thinks that there is a level of, I don't know, kind of delirium when it comes to this Jewish stuff. Like, he thinks that it's overstated and that it's. It's kind of derailing the right wing. I tend to agree that it is a little bit over the. Over the top. So that's why I. I see all sides of this and I just. I just come in the middle. Here's the problem. I'm friends with too many people. I like. I like a lot of people. Other people like me. And I don't know. I can't, like, I can't moderate all this shit between everybody. So I'm just like, you go to war on Christmas, I don't give a fuck. I love you both. You know, figure it out.

[Top Lobster]

Perhaps I'd be more.

[Unknown]

War is one thing. I don't think Top was mad.

[Top Lobster]

I know I wasn't mad at all. I'm just kind of like giving you a fiery monologue here because I might maybe I'll clip it later. But. But listen, this is. This is what people do, right? Like, I don't even know when he's yelling at people for whatever reason, Jewish. I don't even know if he means it. Like, I don't. You don't know, Tim, I. What I will say, though, is that, you know, if. If I do know somebody in real life, I'd be a lot more reluctant to be like, ah, you know this guy, or say whatever I'm gonna say about him. I met you in real life. I. Like, it didn't really come off as even a person. It was. It was a very bizarre experience. And I don't know how, from what I've heard, a lot of other guests have had that same experience. And honestly, you know, if you. You've been blessed, you've been blessed or given this opportunity, and like I said, you're fucking squandering it. Every chance you get. You squander the culture you get. Like, you're sitting on a business. Tens of millions of dollars. You're about to have a kid. Like, dude, why are you. Why are you so, like, mad? Why are you so. Yeah, like, it just wasn't. It wasn't good. So that's, like, when I do see.

[Unknown]

Arguing with top lobby, he's just numbers.

[Top Lobster]

It's just ones and zeros on the screen that I'm art, that I'm. That I'm talking with, back and forth. It's not like. Not a person. And I met you in real life, too, but it's like, no personality there. There was nothing. It was. It was bizarre. You had a different experience. I didn't. It was very weird.

[Clint]

Right? No. And I'll. Just to defend your position, I have. I've gone on the show, I don't know, 10 times or whatever, and that. That particular appearance, he was as guarded, as unfriendly. He was just having a bad day, honestly, like. But, like, if I was you, and that was the only time I ever met Tim Pool, I'd be like, this guy.

[Top Lobster]

That's exactly how I feel about you.

[Clint]

Yes. And so this is why. This is why I am understanding of both sides here. But I also understand from Tim's perspective, he's like, I've given all these people, you know, this huge platform. I don't tell them what they can't say. I mean, he may argue with you, but, like, that's cool. Like, you. You should be allowed to, you know, argue with someone you disagree with, and then they're flipping out on Me on Christmas. Like, what's this about?

[Top Lobster]

That was actually. So the original tweet was, like, two days ago, which was. It was the weirdest thing. I don't know why he even replied to that. It was on, like, the 23rd. And he replied because he said he's.

[Clint]

Sitting there on Christmas looking through his fucking replies, and he sees one of the more liked ones is. He's like, didn't I have this guy on my show? Why is he shitting on me? And then he replies, and he fucking. He fell in the trap, you know, like, that's what happened.

[Unknown]

That's it. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

That's the game. That's the game, baby. And it is what it is. We had a lot of fun. I'd like to go in a hot tub with you, Tim.

[Clint]

I've done that before on a yacht in Miami. Anyways, tell people where they can follow you guys.

[Unknown]

Go ahead, Top.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, you can follow us at Nephilim Death Squad. Email us at Nephilim D Squad if you got any crazy stories. I'm just putting it out there. We do a show every week or so where we read these crazy, supernatural, whatever kind of stories from whoever. So I love to hear what kind of crazy shit your audience went through. Follow me on Top Lobster if you like people that dunk on tim pool. Top lobster.com for merchandise. You got Liberty Lockdown merch. Nephilim Death Squad merch. There you go, yo.

[Clint]

New new Liberty Lockdown Polo. Got the black ll profession. It looks sick. I'm wearing it right now for. For the audio listeners. But yeah. Toplops.com grab one, wear it to work, and then have everyone think that you're a huge Lakers fan, but in fact, you're just a Liberty Lockdown psycho white supremacist. Yeah. If you want to support my work, subscribe on X at Liberty lockpod or libertylockdown.locals.com we love you guys. Have a Merry Christmas, happy New Year, and I'll see you guys soon. Peace. The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constant, telling us what to believe is real.

[Top Lobster]

You can persuade them that what they see with their eyes is what there.

[Clint]

Is to see, because they'll laugh in.

[Top Lobster]

The face of an explanation that portrays.

[Clint]

The bigger picture of what's happening.

[Top Lobster]

And they have.