011: HH - Dangerous RTRDs

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad - Episode 011: HH - Dangerous RTRDs
Released: May 9, 2025
Hosts: TopLobsta Productions (Top Lops), David, Clint
Description: In this episode, Top Lops and Raven delve into the intricate world of conspiracies viewed through a Biblical perspective, engaging in deep discussions about controversial topics ranging from music industry manipulations to racial dynamics in modern society.

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1. Analyzing Kanye West's Controversial Song

The episode kicks off with a heated discussion about Kanye West's latest release, a song laden with provocative lyrics that include references to "Heil Hitler" and themes of villainy. The hosts dissect the musical composition and underlying messages, questioning Kanye's intent and the potential societal impact.

• Clint (00:28): "Think I'm stuck in a matrix when I first my nitro cuz I am a cuck..."
• Top Lops (04:06): "There's a minor two major one and then minor six in the beginning, and it sounds very ominous... It's for the fucking goy."

Musical Composition Analysis: Top Lops provides a breakdown of the song's chords, highlighting its ominous beginnings and triumphant endings. He critiques Kanye's simplistic yet effective approach, suggesting it serves as a bioweapon against mainstream audiences.

Societal Implications: The hosts debate whether Kanye's artistic choices are a form of resistance or manipulation, with Clint asserting, "He's not putting them on boxcars. But mentally they feel like they are because like I said, this is their security blanket."

2. Media Manipulation and Cultural Engineering

The conversation shifts to broader themes of media manipulation and cultural engineering, exploring how influential figures like Kanye West navigate and potentially exploit these systems.

• Clint (05:47): "It's Frankenstein's monster."
• David (02:43): "Aliens dollar collapse demolishing of the deep state..."

Use of Symbolism: Top Lops discusses the strategic use of symbols in Kanye's work, such as swastikas and Nazi imagery, arguing that these are deliberate attempts to stoke racial tensions and galvanize specific movements.

• Top Lops (05:47): "He's using so many different forms of magic to bring this to the people. That's really what it is."

Conspiracy Theories: Clint delves into theories about the deep state's influence over artists, suggesting that individuals like Kanye West are being controlled to serve broader, possibly nefarious agendas.

3. Racial Dynamics and Societal Fractures

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the current state of race relations in America, the impact of social policies, and the rise of extremist movements.

• Clint (43:45): "Do not turn this into a racial thing. It's a human being thing."
• David (36:58): "A gay black dude and a gay Mexican are leading the white nationalist movement."

Statues and Symbolism: The hosts critique recent public art installations intended to combat racism, arguing that instead of fostering unity, these statues perpetuate division and ridicule.

• David (55:33): "That's insane. It was meant to combat racism, which I don't. It's, it's, it's almost like."

Violence and Community Relations: They recount personal experiences and observations of violence within communities, linking these to larger societal issues and the manipulation of racial narratives.

• Clint (38:04): "A 17-year-old allegedly had a gun in his hand when he was running away, and he was shot and killed by the cops."

4. Personal Narratives and Community Observations

The hosts share personal stories that highlight the tensions and dangers present in their communities, emphasizing the real-world consequences of the issues they discuss.

• David (75:00): "They're all talking about how they got the new blicky, and this one's got the red dot on it..."
• Clint (76:48): "He was talking to the owner of the establishment that we are going to perform at."

Interactions with Law Enforcement and Crime: Clint and David discuss encounters with aggressive individuals and law enforcement, illustrating the precariousness of navigating racially charged environments.

5. Upcoming Events and Community Engagement

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts transition to promoting their own initiatives and upcoming events, encouraging listeners to engage and support their endeavors.

• Top Lops (66:15): "You guys can get [e-mail] brogrove.com..."
• Clint (86:56): "If you guys want to support us, definitely show up to Brogrove."

Bohemian Grove Event: They elaborate on their plans to attend and perform at Bohemian Grove, a prominent gathering for influential individuals, highlighting the significance of their participation.

• Clint (97:39): "This is our opportunity, and I think it's going to happen so you don't. Don't feel any pressure, but this is our opportunity to level up in a way that is just unquantifiable."

6. Reflections on Cultural Identity and Personal Growth

In the concluding segments, the hosts reflect on their personal journeys, cultural influences, and the challenges of maintaining their identity amidst societal pressures.

• David (99:50): "You don't want to get to your deathbed, sit there and be like, there's so much I could have done..."
• Clint (89:05): "When you're young... respect and looking like a business professional."

Cultural Influences: They discuss the impact of influential black figures in their lives and lament the current state of race relations, believing that societal division is intentional and orchestrated.

• Clint (86:13): "Growing up, it was like, who were the people that influenced me the most? Who are the people I looked up to the most? It was like, blacks..."

Notable Quotes

• Clint (05:47): "It's Frankenstein's monster."
• Top Lops (04:06): "It's for the fucking goy."
• David (02:43): "Aliens dollar collapse demolishing of the deep state..."
• Clint (38:04): "A 17-year-old allegedly had a gun in his hand when he was running away..."
• Top Lops (66:15): "You guys can get [e-mail] brogrove.com..."

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Conclusion

Episode 011 of Nephilim Death Squad delves deep into the complex interplay between music, media manipulation, racial tensions, and conspiracy theories. Through passionate discussions and personal anecdotes, Top Lops, David, and Clint explore how societal structures and influential figures shape and are shaped by cultural narratives. The episode underscores the hosts' views on the deliberate fracturing of communities and the role of media in perpetuating divisive ideologies, while also promoting their own initiatives aimed at fostering a like-minded community.

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Note: This summary focuses on the content-rich segments of the podcast, omitting promotional materials and non-content discussions as per the guidelines.

Transcript

[David]

Did you already do it?

[Top Lops]

Top Lops Productions.

[Clint]

Man, these people took.

[David]

My kids from me Then they p.

[Clint]

My bank account I got so much anger in me got no way to take it out Think I'm stuck in a matrix when I first my nitro cuz I am a cuck I like when people on my posting on Twitter.

[David]

They telling me hey, don't say that.

[Clint]

How can't see me in public I'm.

[David]

Driving grow me back with all of.

[Clint]

The money and fame I still can't get my kids back with all of the money and fame I still don't.

[David]

Get to see my children, see my.

[Clint]

Twitter but they don't see how I be feeling so I became a n. I'm the villain. How he? How he.

[Top Lops]

They don't understand the things I say on Twitter.

[Clint]

How he.

[David]

They don't understand the things.

[Clint]

I'm not condemning these people. I'm not saying that they're bad people. I'm saying that they're dumb.

[Top Lops]

Okay?

[Clint]

You haven't figured out that you're being lied to by this machine yet. You're a idiot and I can't help you anymore.

[David]

Aliens dollar collapse demolishing of the deep state Just because they've given you as a conspiracy theorist everything you've wanted. Don't go on a victory tour just yet and strengthen your relationship with God.

[Top Lops]

I know that we're almost in World War 3. I just don't care that you and everything above that is a disrespect to go.

[Clint]

I'm somebody that thought I could fix this. And I'm starting to think about having to eat my neighbors. The villain.

[David]

Bro. I was just jamming so hard, dude. So hard. That was incredible.

[Clint]

When. When that. When that spun into our intro. It may have been the greatest moment in Internet history. I you not. That was so fire. I don't think people understand. They're gonna hear the lyrics and they' to tune it out. They're gonna be like, I can't listen to this. I can't play this at my cookouts. People are gonna play this at their cookouts. Do you understand what this means?

[David]

It's coming, dude.

[Top Lops]

This is what I'm saying. So, like, all right, so Harrison, what's his name? The guy from Infowars. He's like. He's like, this song sucks. This is not a good song. I understand what he's doing. Like, you don't get it. And. And not only do you not get it, the song doesn't suck. I'm gonna tell you it doesn't suck.

[David]

Clinton earlier, I told you that. So I was talking to you earlier, top and I said, like, I only listened to it on my phone. I needed to listen to it in headphones or in the car to get, like, a good feeling for it. Having it in headphones. I turned that all the way up.

[Top Lops]

Me too.

[David]

Honestly, it hard. It's not like it's Kanye's best song, but the combination of how good it is plus the message, very important message. It was great, man. I almost knocked my desk over with an erection. I got bricked up when we transitioned from that into our music. Immediately just full staff. And I almost knocked my desk over. It's really great.

[Top Lops]

Here's what's going on with this song. There's. There's a couple of things here, and I. I gotta look at the actual musical notes in it, but from what I've noticed is he's doing, like, a. If somebody. Somebody that, like, actually knows music better than me will correct me. But he's doing a progression where it's like. Like a minor two major one and then minor six in the beginning, and it sounds very ominous. And then he takes the same chords, and he just makes the one. The major chord, the one at the very end, so it rings like, triumphant. And it's like. It's so simple that it's stupid. And it's like the foundering. He's the piano player. He was like, this is remedial. It's done on a Casio. There's not much to it. He's like, correct. But Kanye knows enough about music to go understand all these points, go past them, bring them back, simplify it. It is goy slop. I will agree with foundering. This is goy slop. Because that's who it's for. It's for the fucking goy. It's against. It's. Yeah, it's. It's for the goys. It's against the Jays, for the G's. And he's done it magnificently. They have created a bioweapon and a musical industrial complex, and now he's gone completely off range, and he's using that bioweapon against them. It's crazy to see. Again, I don't.

[David]

Yeah, it's Frankenstein's monster.

[Top Lops]

I don't buy into the J narrative, but what we're watching here is the manipulation of this type of media, which Kanye west has tried it a couple of different ways. He's come out to Tim Pool. He's like, I want to talk about I want to run for president. And Tim Pool was like, we're not going to talk about this. He's like, all right, we can't talk about this. So he's like, all right, then how about artwork? We'll put a swastika inside of a star. David. How about that? Can't do that. How about a Nazi T shirt? This is all symbolism. He's trying symbolism now. That's the second phase that doesn't work. He's showing us pornography. He's putting his wife out naked. Doesn't work on this. Clint, move over a little bit. You like. You're not in the shot.

[David]

They disrespectfully to the side. Yeah, not good.

[Top Lops]

Beautiful. Okay. The third most dangerous phase is what he's good at. He's created now an album that is. It's taking all of the worst things in society that you could be. And he's putting into dope tracks. He's sucking his cousin's dick. His. His. All his niggas. Our Highland Hitler. Oh, my God lapse. There's nothing you can do about at this point. It. This is unleashed. This is a summer certified summer banger. We are moving full forward, unfortunately, we're moving full forward into white boy summer, which could also turn into Hitler boy summer. Not. Not the way we're supposed to go because it could be dangerous, but what everybody deserves. 100.

[David]

He. He dropped a line before the hook came in where he said something about being a cuck and he likes when people his. And I was like, this is crazy, man. I made a tweet the other day where I said, I'm more of a f Kanye now that he's sucked his cousin's dick than I was previously. This has actually galvanized me to Kanye even more. And it's not even so much that I care about, like, the Hitler thing or the. Or the. Because he talks about it in the song. He says, you know, I. I'm a villain now. Fine. I'm. I'm a Nazi now. Basically, that's what he's doing, right? And I appreciate the spirit of that, but it is another spirit entirely that sucks your cousin's dick and then gives it to you, gives it to the people that want to kill him, right? Because people hate Kanye West. They'll use anything they can against him. And he goes, you know what? Fuck you. Here's the biggest thing. Take it. And it's. It's kind of his way of saying, like, even if I give you the greatest weapon ever forged against me, you shall not prosper. That's. It's. It's the exact energy that he's coming with, and that's why I like him more that I know he sucked his cousin's dick than I did before.

[Clint]

That's. That's literally exactly what's happening. And it mirrors what's happened with white people where they've. They've been called racist despite not being racist for so long that they're like, you know what? Fuck it, I'm racist. And. And Kanye's doing the exact same thing. He's saying, you've called me everything possible. You try. You unbanked me. You tried to end my entire career. You took my kids away. You ruined my marriage, you destroyed my life. You can't. You can't take it any further than this. You know, like. Like that's it. He's like, I'm saying the last thing I can say. Yeah, I suck my cousin's dick. And how. Like that. That's as far as you can take it verbally. So he's.

[David]

You know what it's like. Imagine being in an altercation with somebody, and you're not trying to fight with them, but they're just attacking you constantly, constantly, constantly. And you've tried everything. You've tried everything. Say, hey, can you leave me the alone? Can you stop doing that? Hey, maybe not right now. Maybe there's hours of operation leave me alone from here to here. Nothing is working. You're negotiating. It's not working. You finally turn to this guy and you go, what? Here, take this. And you give them something that's, you know, you give him Excalibur because he can't even kill you with that thing. Go ahead. Go have at it. Have at it with that. You're not going to listen to me. Let's try something different. Let's give them the weapons that they want to use against us. I. I really appreciate that. I don't know where this ends for Kanye west, but I know that even if Foundering thinks that this isn't some complex banger, which, given it's. It's not right, it's not going to stop it.

[Clint]

Summer, I'm not arguing complexity. It's a stupid way that only a musician could actually argue whether or not this is a good song based off complexity. And I've heard, I've heard. Yeah, I know you will. Hold on, hold on. I know. And you've done this before. I'm telling you, that doesn't matter. It has a drop that goes, and it Goes, I'm a villain. And that hits.

[David]

That's it.

[Clint]

That doesn't have to be complex.

[David]

It hits.

[Clint]

It brings something into your soul, into your spirit. It makes you feel something. That's what great music does. It doesn't have to be complex. It has to make you emote. And that song makes you a moat. Whether it makes you a moat in revulsion or in like, let's go. I gotta also add the hi hat and the marching beat behind it. It is a marching beat. And he's got. He's got 36 black men dressed in fucking, like, I don't know, African tribe gear.

[Top Lops]

It looks like wolves in sheep in sheep clothing or.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Or.

[David]

Or black people in wolves clothing.

[Top Lops]

Or black people. Yes. I don't know what that symbolism is. It's weird. One of them.

[Clint]

Wakanda, like, preparing to fight Battalion is what it looks like to me. I don't know.

[David]

Yeah, I don't know what it was, but it made me feel something. And I don't know what I felt either, but I. I felt it a lot. I'm excited for whatever's gonna happen this summer.

[Clint]

Yeah, let me play off that because that was my immediate thought when I was watching it last night. It like, it was released at like midnight last night. And I'm watching it and I'm just like. I'm like, this is the most novel thing ever created by men.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Like, it's. It's 36 black guys saying over and over again, heil Hitler. Do you know how crazy that is? Like, and. And it's. And it's from one of, if not the most successful, like, music producers slash rap artists of the past 20 years. And he's that. And he's just like. He's just like, I'm going to do the thing that, like, I mean, it's. It's just. It's unthinkable. If you had told me that this was. Would ever exist in my lifetime, I'd be like, you're out of your fucking mind. That's not possible. And it's here.

[David]

It's right in front of us, and it's here. And it's so good, dude. So we've been getting all these people speculating as to whether or not me and Top are feds. Right? And so this energy is in alignment with Kanye's energy, what we did. And we're working on it right now, but we're making a T shirt and it's. It's me with a. A triangle over my face. Right. And that's like, for people that think that all the elites are gender inverted, which is. It's called egi. It's a. It's a really huge conspiracy theory. Every single elite that we have is true.

[Top Lops]

You know what? You know what this feels like? I'm sorry, David.

[Clint]

Look at.

[Top Lops]

Look at this group of people. Look, they are ashy. No, but. Yeah, Ashley is one. But they are the weapons of a certain group, and now they're standing in defiance to them, saying the one thing that they have used as their blanket against the rest of society. That's what the attitude is. Look at that.

[David]

That is. This is the Jewish bioweapon turning on the Jews. That's exactly what we're watching right now.

[Clint]

But.

[David]

But this elite gender inversion, they'll use this triangle to determine the ratio between your eyes and your mouth, and that somehow determines whether or not you're male or female. So we're taking that. We're putting it on my face. We're putting on a T shirt, and the back of the T shirt is going to say, gay Jew, shill fed. Right? And that is. It's. It's the same spirit. It's like, look, man, call me whatever you want. It's all good. And that continues for so long until you go.

[Clint]

It.

[David]

I am that. It's the same thing that Eminem had, right? What was that song?

[Top Lops]

Whatever you say I am. If I was.

[David]

Honestly, why would I say I. Yeah.

[Top Lops]

It'S the same thing.

[David]

A banger.

[Top Lops]

Why did you. But Eminem gets away from that, you know, like, yeah, they get caught in the political.

[Clint]

He wanted to be accepted. Kanye went the other direction where he's like, I don't care if anybody accepts me. I'm gonna. I'm. In fact, I'm gonna say everything that's supposed to make people not accept me, and then I'm gonna see if I can be accepted. Like, this is. That's the thing that. That's made Kanye so special throughout his career. He's like, I'm gonna. And that. I mean, we already talked about this a little bit, but to. To put out after basically going dark for a couple years, and then to put out Crisis King and to do this entire gospel album, which, by the way, has some of the greatest songs ever made. Salah is spectacular. And then to, like. But before that, it was like 808 heartbreaks and my Dark Twisted Fantasy or whatever it's called. College Dropout Graduation. It's just every artist. Every artist in my lifetime basically has hit a. A barrier by which, like, they cannot continue to evolve and be. Be meaningful, you know, and he's just. Kanye just refuses to fall into that trap. He's like, I'm going to fucking find a way to be meaningful, even if it, Even if it requires me to be hated. I'm going to be. It's, it's, it's fucking. It's amazing to watch.

[David]

It's beautiful too, because you know that the key to just like, success, financial success, and like, going down as a. As a, you know, a legend within the hip hop industry, that's there for him if he behaves and plays ball. So it's not even like he has two options here. Fall into obscurity and suffer, you know, the mortal man's fate or go on into legendhood. He has perfectly within his grasp. Maybe not anymore, but for. Certainly for a time he did. To just go on and be a good musician who the industry remembered fondly. He would have gotten the same reception that what's his name that just died not long ago. DMX got. It was like, despite a. An entire lifetime of threatening violence and, and calling people, the hip hop industry remembered him fondly. They did a whole day on Hot 97 firm. It was just like, remember how great of a guy DMX was? I was like, not really, but that's okay. But he could have had that. Kanye could have had that. And instead, whatever he's after is worth more to him. And it does. It has this element of, like, the world, which is. It's a. It's kind of a Christian value, right? It's like, be in the world, not of it. And Kanye does not care what the world thinks of his work unless they think it's good and then he's cool with that. But if you think it's. He's like, you and I. I love that.

[Clint]

I still don't. I still don't think that he's, like, actually trying. And maybe this is a misread on my part and you guys can tell me if I'm wrong. I don't really feel like he's trying to, like, turn black people into Nazis or anything. Like. No, it's not. That's not the. I. I know from, like, the average viewer, that's what they're going to think about it. And I just don't think that's what it is. I think he's just like, this is the thing. I can't say. So I'm going to. I'm going to make an incredibly catchy song with 36 black men saying it. Yeah, that's the energy that I get from it. Not that like we're bringing back the. Or here comes the Fourth Reich. You know, it's.

[Top Lops]

It's more dangerous. It's more dangerous to the Jews in the way that, like, he's not form forming the Third Reich. He's not putting them on boxcars. But mentally they feel like they are because like I said, this is their security blanket. Oh, my God, Hitler. Oh, my God, Holocaust. Oh my God, rip that off of them. Now this is the swastika. Honestly, into like Ian Cross and brought it up. In 20 years, swastika might be representative of black culture.

[Clint]

That was me. I said, I said. I said 100 years from now, you could see a swastika and your first thought could be Kanye west and not Adolf Hitler. And how insane is that?

[David]

Yeah, you're talking about what, what he's doing, right? Is he trying to radicalize black people and turn them into actual Nazis or he's doing something else. If you look at the lyrics, I'm sure he explains it. I can't find them. I'm going through the lyrics here on Google. They keep getting taken down.

[Clint]

Milo posted it last night.

[David]

Milo posted it, man. All right, I gotta see if I can find that because I'm looking at Genius, which is a website for lyrics, and it's been taken down. Like everything is taking it down because of the.

[Clint]

This is the hilarious thing. So I posted last night that like, basically it was just a catastrophic mistake to try and cancel the greatest producer of my lifetime. Like a huge, huge fucking mistake. Because now this guy is like, he's like a WMD with a keyboard. Like, you're in so much trouble. He's just going to continue to make songs that are. Are catchy as that say things you don't want him to say and there's nothing you can do to stop him. But I said that it's going to own the summer. And someone said, yeah. They asked Grok. They're like, how is this charting? Blah, blah, blah. Is this. How is this doing on Spotify? It's like, bro, it's not going to be on the charts. It's not going to be on Spotify. It's not even going to be posted on YouTube. You're going to have to get it from his X account and play it.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

On your Bluetooth.

[David]

I'm sorry, faggot. Did you just.

[Top Lops]

How cool is that? It's like one of the things like, where do I get it? Where do I hear this thing, it's like I have to actively the. The amount of like memeing that's going on. So like he's using meme culture too, right? He's using the idea of like cuck this. Like, you know, this is more modern pornography trends as well, which is like, this is what you say that I am here, I'll show it to you. But the Hitler thing, the, the Nazi stuff, I think even Jake Shield said this is the first time that a song has ever used the. The words and Hitler in it. And as the hook.

[David]

Right next to each other, right next.

[Top Lops]

To each other, they are touching. He's. He's like, he's. He's using so many different forms of magic to bring this to the people. That's really what it is.

[David]

Yeah.

[Top Lops]

And now you have to like search there's something special. This is this song occulted. Would you call it occulted? Because it's like it's going to be hidden. But people are searching for this in.

[David]

The same way that like a meme. If you were. If you were to say meme magic is a real thing, which, you know, there's a huge argument for that. And the same way we say spell casting, if you're not woo woo can be summarized as just engineering public perception and then perception becomes reality in that way. At the very least. Yeah. It is 100. It is. He's any. I'm sorry, if you get in front of the culture, you make a piece of art and that suddenly starts steering culture dramatically. I would say, yeah, that's. That's some sort of a magic right there. And I just got to say it for the people who watch NDS and the people who know me, I wouldn't be worth my soul if I didn't say I am still suspicious of it. I like it. I like the song. But the same way that I. I called Kanye coming on the stage and pushing the JQ a little bit further and then he releases the Nazi T shirt is the same kind of thing that I feel about this. Where it's like, this is really high level cultural engineering. And we've been saying that this, this conversation about the Jews was going to reach the dinner table. I've been telling my wife that for like a year now. And how do you do that? Well, it's gotta, it's gotta leave Twitter. Right? It can fester and it can. It can be created that. That culture can be created on Twitter. But how does it escape Twitter? How does it get to the. This is how. Because it's gonna be playing in people's. You're gonna be pulling up the stop signs and stop lights, and you're going to be hearing this coming out of the car next door next to you. So this is how it jumps the gun from.

[Clint]

Yes, by the way. I don't think it's. I don't think it's so much spell casting as it is spell breaking. Like, maybe it's a. Maybe it's casting a spell to break a spell, you know, if you want to go that route. Some Harry Potter. But, like, I feel like, for instance, Kanye's very brilliant when it comes to aesthetics, too, and design. Obviously, he's been. He became like a billionaire off of his clothing company. Even though I thought it would look like shit, people loved it. He's just a branding genius. Anyways, I think that if you contrast the. Oh, God damn it, where was I going with this? I had a point. Oh. So aesthetically, if he wanted to, he could have done what Michael Jackson did back in the day where he started to. To wear more and more like, fascistic style clothing. I don't know if people remember that phase. Yeah, yeah. MJ's career, but he basically started to dress like a Nazi. And that was when he's like, you know, kike me, D me. You know, pitch me, hit me. All right, so if Kanye wanted to do that, he could have had those 36 black guys dressed up as Nazis. He didn't do that. He took them down to this primal element. He put them into the. The. Basically the wolf's skin, and they're like Wakanda in that they're almost naked. You know, like, they look like tribesmen. So that wasn't his intention. So I don't. I don't actually, again, just to double down. I really don't think that's what he's going for. Like, if he wanted to go there, go there, he could have gone there. He didn't go there. I think that was intentional.

[David]

Do you know Michael Jackson's take on the Juice just as a little side tangent? Are you aware of that, Clint?

[Clint]

Oh, I. I know that. I know that he felt as if he was wrong by his record label.

[David]

Yeah, he talks quite a bit about Jews specifically, and in. In very many ways, it's kind of like Michael was a precursor to. To Kanye, just. Just in the sentiments that they were echoing about the Jews in the music industry and like that. But obviously, Kanye takes it farther.

[Clint]

No, I. I don't think they're only similar in that way. I Mean, Michael Jackson owned two to three decades and stayed relevant throughout and in some ways even increased in relevancy.

[David]

He owned Eminem's catalog. Did you know that? So.

[Clint]

So around Encore, Michael Jackson bought.

[David]

Michael Jackson bought the rights to. To Eminem's musics or something. Something really crazy like that. Because there was a time before the album Encore as an Eminem album where he was digging into Michael Jackson quite a bit. And Mike just decided, I'm not even gonna clap back. I'm not writing a album or a piece of music. I'm buying the. The rights to your catalog, homie.

[Top Lops]

Gonna buy your music player.

[David]

That's it. Dude. What a gangster move.

[Top Lops]

Yeah, you know, it's crazy. Like, you don't really think about the iconography or the symbology of what this guy was doing, too. Like, this is straight up dictatorship wear. Like, this is. Yeah, those represent bullets, you know?

[Clint]

Yeah. Even. Even if you don't go the Nazi route, it's like, it's obvious that he's going, like, fascistic aesthetics, clothing wise. Like, yeah, military. Military generals. And. And there. There was. I remember. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I remember one that was like, red. That looked very fascistic. Anyways, it's. It's just. It's just. It's just interesting, the similarities, because Michael Jackson was the. I mean, he is probably still the black musician ever. And I think Kanye is kind of this generation's version of that. People may disagree. Yeah, that one, that's, like, wild. That's like.

[David]

I think so.

[Clint]

I think he is.

[David]

I have this pulled up here. So in 2007, Michael Jackson's partnership company, Sony/ATV, purchased the publishing company Famous Music from Viacom, which included the rights to Eminem's back catalog. So, yeah, he went ahead and he was like, you want to talk? I'd say when I learned that I always enjoy Michael Jackson, but when I learned that, I was like, damn, dude. And then I learned that at the same time that I found rants of him going off about the Jews, those two things in conjunction, I was like, michael, also, dude.

[Top Lops]

These guys, both of them were assigned doctors to them that. Well, one, I think he died of, like, a fentanyl overdose or one of these kind of like sedative drugs. And Kanye Milo documented it pretty well. There's a lawsuit as well. Kanye's dentist was. Had him, like, hooked on nitrous and was just, like, living with him, giving him nitrous. That's also mentioned in this. In this song, he mentioned something about nitrous, but I don't really.

[David]

Oh, he's. He's saying where. He said where the. My nitrous. Yeah, because he's become cripplingly. Cripplingly addicted to. To nitrous. Which is interesting because at the same time, Milo tweet.

[Top Lops]

No, no, I don't. This was a while ago that he said that, but I'll search for that really quick.

[David]

Green Mountain Girl says, except MJ could sing, dance, and had actual talent. I will say your first caveats are very valid. Obviously, Kanye does not have the. The vocal range or. Or skill set that Michael had, and neither can he dance like Michael. But as far as his talent goes, I would say his. His body of music is. Is so unique outside of what standard hip hop has given us. It is.

[Clint]

It's.

[David]

He's got a talent for music for sure. But, yeah, maybe not a fair comparison. Kanye and Michael Jackson.

[Clint]

Kanye west, new song. How Hitler has officially been banned in the European Union.

[David]

Awesome. You know, it's gonna be like, that's gonna. It's gonna be played even more here now. Even more here now.

[Clint]

Well, I mean, it's still. It'll still be played in Europe. It's just going to be played, you know, privately. Oh, man.

[Top Lops]

This is to listen to a song like, to. For it to be illegal to listen to a song like you're listening in your headphones is. There's another level of super stardom. Like, they. They're. They're Barbra Streisanding him into the stratosphere. And it's done intentionally.

[Clint]

He.

[Top Lops]

He's figured out how to do it. Like, you can only go so high making the prescribed music of the culture because there is a ceiling. But what he's done is taken a gamble and actually correctly taken a gamble.

[David]

Yeah.

[Top Lops]

Saw the culture, saw the temperature. Pick this side. And then went full bore into it.

[Clint]

And it's. It's basically like bootleg music. It's like, you know, like, yeah, it's during prohibition. Like, they banned alcohol. And now he's like, here, I got this distillery, and you're going to have to search for it here. This is. This is the lyrics drafted by Milo. He got one of the lyrics wrong, so I'm going to correct it. But he said, man, these people took my kids from me. Then they. He says, post my bank account. I don't think that's what he said. I think he says, then they closed my bank accounts. I got so much anger in me. Got no way to take it out. Think I'm stuck in a matrix where the. My nitrous. Yes, I am a cuck. I like when people on my. The that I post on, on my Twitter, they're telling me, I don't say that how can't see me in public. I'm driving an off road Maybach. With all the money and fame, I still can't get my kids back. With all the money and fame, I still don't get to see my children, see my Twitter. But they don't see how I'd be feeling. So I became a Nazi. Yeah, I'm the villain.

[Top Lops]

Crazy.

[David]

Honestly, those are the only lyrics. And then outside of that, it's Heil Hitler. Heil Hitler. Right, that's. That's the rest of the lyrics.

[Clint]

But yeah, he hooks back, he looks back part of it, but it's basically.

[David]

That it's the same over again. So you only have that small cluster of lyrics, only two lines is he talking about it? And only one line does he mention being a Nazi. The other one is, yeah, I'm the villain. Everything else is about the state of his life and, and how they're taking his children from him. And all this like, I don't know.

[Clint]

It'S explaining the arc by which he got to the point that he's going to make a song chanting Heil Hitler. That's all he's doing. He's just explaining to you, hey, this is the reason I'm doing this. This is why, like more obvious for.

[Top Lops]

People to say like, like you act like he just went up there. Like there's a lot of like ignorant rap that comes up there. Does this like it has like a hard beat, but they just be like, yeah, got my Benz, got my Benzo gold teeth. It's like there's nothing here. He told you a, I don't know, 15 year story in 30 seconds with a simplified, a super simplified beat even. Like this right here is. This is part of what I was talking about. So there's a reason. Yay. Formerly Kanye west is no longer capable of successfully releasing music or clothing. In fact, there are several. And then he names Thomas Connolly. And Milo is actually. He sued this dude. And I think the lawsuit is going forward. So Thomas Connolly is his. Is his dentist. Ye's dentist got him hooked on nitrous. He was living with him. And this whole thread here kind of goes ahead and talks about what this wasn't. He's. Milo says that he tried to intervene, but you know, Miles also dramatic. So who the really knows what happened here, but what definitely did happen is. So he has a full affidavit about what happened, what he saw happen to this guy, but he was hooked on nitrous the same way Michael Jackson was. Became dependent on this. And I don't know if he's still dependent on it, but what they did with Michael Jackson is they gave more and more and more until they killed him in his sleep.

[David]

Yeah.

[Top Lops]

And it's like, perfect, gone. If he is, in fact dead, that's another conspiracy.

[Clint]

But people need to understand too, like the. The record labels oftentimes will have rights to the artist's music, you know, after they die. So if you just kill off the artist before they've already, like, gotten the rights to their music, because most of the artists don't ever get the rights to their music. But I think that's. That's the. Where the real conspiracies come in is like, are these guys just basically, all right, We've wrenched every last drop of creativity out of this guy. He's, you know, he's 50 now. His catalog is worth a billion dollars, probably worth, you know, 50 to $100 million in perpetuity, royalties wise, and significantly.

[David]

More the moment he dies.

[Clint]

Yep, that too.

[David]

You know, it's for. For that doctor that gave. What was it? Somebody in the. In the chat said it was Propofol, I believe had Dr. Rotatello. And that's where that notion. There's this kind of conspiracy that goes around of Kanye. I mean, I'm sorry, Michael Jackson having been chemically castrated by Joe Jackson when he was a child, to keep that castrato, that. That tone in his voice, prevent him from going through puberty. So certainly if you look at the trajectory of Michael Jackson, you go, something is wrong there. Not only, you know, there's a bunch of things wrong, but endocrine system wise, he's like a perpetual child. And that's very strange. And you could see that the industry will recognize a talent, and then they will do everything they can to lock them in a steel cage and have them only do their bidding. And it's only when they start to deviate do you get this. This. This wild public perception that follows, which is this person is a train wreck. They're unstable. They shouldn't have. Their kids is an evil, racist piece of shit. And it's like the same people that have the ability to engineer the public's perception through the media are the same people that are, you know, locking these artists in a cage and having them do their bidding. It's so they control the artists, and then they control our perception of the artists.

[Clint]

Yeah, well, and imagine what that does to someone's psyche, especially when you've actually had your kids taken away from you, and you're like. You're like, wait, I'm a victim. You know, like, I've had my kids taken away from me. And. And then the world's perception of you is like, no, you are the perpetrator. Like, you're not a victim at all. You're the crazy person. But the. The media has controlled that narrative about you. Look, I'm not even saying that Kanye's not off. Like, he's obviously a strange guy, but do I think he's, like, violent or dangerous towards his kids? I don't think so at all. Like, that's my honest opinion. So the fact that he got his kids taken away just radicalized him into oblivion. And I think that's. That's indicative of a good father, not a bad father. One that actually is like, no, I want my fucking kids back. How many. How many people in the black community don't put up that fight? So I think that in. In its own right should be, you know, respected.

[Top Lops]

So he's had a choice to get his kids back. Like, you can get your kids back. You can behave, right? That's, like, what they told him. Harley Passernak was like, stop tweeting like that.

[Clint]

Yeah, get back on your meds.

[Top Lops]

Yeah, get back. Or you'll never be able to recognize your kids again because we'll have you hooked on. They told you what they do. It's.

[David]

This is why he said he was going to drug him into oblivion.

[Top Lops]

That's why I'm like, fuck Dave Smith. Because you see this shit still. Like, they tell you the plot line. They tell you the plot. If you don't do what I say, I will drug you until you do not recognize your children. You cannot even meaningfully communicate with you. I'll make you disassociate from your body was the threat.

[David]

And you know what's crazy?

[Clint]

Remember, Pasternak was also. He was out of the laboratory in Canada that was related to the MK Ultra experiments. So this is deep.

[David]

And let me tell you, if you did that to me, if you said all that to me, do you think now either. If I have two choices. Either bend the knee and behave or what, lose your mind and act insane on the world stage?

[Top Lops]

Anyone else has to bend the knee, though, because Kanye is in this very specific situation where he's had his, like, a lot of Success with his clothing line, with his, his sneakers, with his music. He had. Even though they shut down his banks and stuff, he still was like, he had a lot of money to cushion himself and position correctly, and he did that. We don't have that type of money. If somebody like this, this is high level stuff, what they, what they came at him with. So it's like when people see him. That's why I'm like, when people on the highest stages, Tim Pool, Dave Smith, even this, you know, there's a lot of people now you're seeing, like, the sentiment that Kanye's just crazy. He needs to shut the up and stop. It was like, how did you miss this? They said it in, in neon lights. We will do this to you. And then they did this to him. And then you're like, oh, this guy just made an album about Jesus and now he's lost his mind. It's like, yeah, they put him in a comatose state with nitrous or your drug of choice, whatever, whatever it may be, whatever he would take.

[Clint]

Here's why I respect Kanye west despite all of the anger that gets thrown his way. I feel in some ways that's kind of what happened with Jordan Peterson. Like, he, he lost his mind. He got meted up. He get. He goes to Russia to try and get off benzos, blah, blah. But then he comes back and he's not. He's a shell of himself. He's no longer the guy that he once was. He's not actually putting up a fight when it matters most. On the topics that matter most in the time that they matter. Kanye is the opposite. He's just like, you took everything from me, and now I'm gonna, I'm gonna make your life the hell that you've made mine. And that, like, that's not what Jordan Peterson's doing. So, like, that's why I think whether you agree with, you know, what Kanye has to say, I love the fight. I love. I love a dad that's like, you took my kids, you sons of. I'm gonna burn everything to the ground. That is, that is what being a father ought to mean, in my opinion. So I love it.

[David]

I was watching. My wife was watching a Tick Tock the other day, and this girl was talking about women in the gym wearing hoe shit. And the, the entire point of the video was to say, like, yo, it's. It's gone a little far. You know what I mean? Like, it's, it's beyond you just being comfortable at the gym and now you're wearing, like, really weird. You're making people uncomfortable. But she starts that conversation with, I know I'm supposed to be a girl's girl. I know that people don't want to hear this. And it's like that, right? There is a huge fucking problem. You're claiming half the population. You don't even know these, right? And you feel the need to caveat what you're about to say, even though what you're going to say is well founded. Why are you wearing ho shit to the Just weird. She still feels the need to, like, police her own speech. That same thing happens within the black community where it's like, you know, you're not allowed to have a deviation in opinion from, I guess, the black status quo. You're not allowed to ask your own community, why are we disproportionately violent? Why is there an absence of fatherhood and all these different things? And the people who tow that line the most are. I mean, the people that tow that line the most are close to Kanye. You know, you're talking like Jay Z, Beyonce, they have that terminology, black excellence, right? They're always talking about elevating black people, bringing them to the upper echelons of society and like that. They're towing that line. They're towing that narrative. Kanye has every ability to do that. And instead he's like, heil Hitler. Like, that's. It's a. It's a really. It's one of the other reasons that I love him, because Kanye, he does talk about the problems of, like, the black community, but he doesn't adhere to it to the degree that he is aligning himself blanketly with all black people.

[Top Lops]

He's outside of it in a way. But yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting too. Like, so the conversation just three days ago before this banger of a song was released was, what are we going to do with black people? Like, you know, like, we got to start calling their kids racial slurs in the park and getting a gofundmes up. And it's like, now I don't even. How does that. How does that animus, the racial animus towards black blacks, respond to what Kanye just did? Because white people are head over heels right now.

[David]

I've been saying that my favorite type of black person is an anime black. I think it's now second place to a Kanye west black. Like, blacks that love Kanye west are just as cool as blacks that love anime. To me, I think it's a safety thing. Like, I recognize they're not going to stab me.

[Top Lops]

This is weird. Like this. This tug, this push and pull of like, all right, Indians can't stand Indians. Is like that. The Jews again, they're back. They're doing something. And then we're back on black people killing white people. Now white people doing bad stuff. Now we're back to black people again. And it's like, what the is going on? It's just psyop after psyop after psyop.

[David]

There's a which way Western man happening.

[Clint]

It's.

[David]

Yeah, Kanye west or that bronze statue of that fat black that just got erected in Chicago?

[Clint]

I forgot about that. If that's the binary choice, you know which one I'm going with?

[David]

How? Hitler?

[Clint]

Because Milo actually tweeted that last night. He's like. He's like, you have a choice. You're gonna have to decide, are you rolling with Kanye? Are you rolling with this garbage? And it's like, Jesus Christ. I. I don't like that binary. But, like, if I'm forced into that.

[Top Lops]

You know, that is the Bible here. Look at. Look at this guy. I want to bring this up real quick. Hold on. Let's bring up the banner for this, too. Where do we have this banner?

[David]

This is Tom, Luke, Ray. I was so. I was actually really happy that Dom kind of fell away into obscurity there for a minute.

[Clint]

Before. Before we go down this path, I want to talk about a different story. So just to point out the fact that, like, I'm being totally honest when I say I respect a black man who tries to defend his children. There was a story that happened less than a week ago, and it was a 17 year old who was running away from the cops. Apparently, the 17 year old allegedly had a gun in his hand when he was running away, and he was shot and killed by the cops. The father. I'm not. I'm not endorsing what he did. I'm just saying, like, I have no choice but to kind of understand and respect it a little bit.

[David]

I just have to juggle.

[Clint]

I have to give this pre. This preamble, because otherwise it's going to sound like I'm endorsing violence. I'm not. But this. This dad went out and hunted down a cop and killed him the next day. Now, it wasn't even the cop that killed his son. So it was definitely stupid. But there's. There's this other. There's this other moment where he's in court and he's walking past all these other cops and there's these three bald headed white cops that look just like me and the, the black guy who had just killed one of, you know, their compatriots. He. He puts his head up like this and he puts his chin out and.

[David]

He'S just like stares at him in the eyes. Yeah.

[Clint]

As he's walking past him. And I'm like, like, I just. Look, I'm not, I really don't agree with what he did. I'm just saying there's something beautiful about a father just going to the mat for his son.

[David]

You know, even if my Gary.

[Top Lops]

No, it's, it's the Gary plush thing. Yes. Yeah, it's. You want to see? You want to see? Yeah, yeah, yeah, plushie. What you don't want to see is the Austin Metcalf father. You know what I mean?

[David]

Yes.

[Top Lops]

These are the two dynamics. And it's like why, this is why I'm so specific specifically looking at. Well, I'm. I'm suspiciously looking at these situations that they're constantly presenting us because they're like, here's the choice here. Here's the choice here. Everybody pick and everybody picks and there's. Honestly, in my opinion is one right answer. But there's no nuance. There's like, go this way, go that way. There's no like in between. It's like, you want to cuck father or do you want, you want to cuck rapper? Which way, which way do you want to go? And it's like people are picking and people are choosing a side definitively. So like, is that what's happening here? I don't know.

[David]

I don't know. But it is wild to me. I just got reminded of this because not nice guy says this song is an olive branch to the whites. It's beautiful. It's poetic that I've been saying for a while that this Jew noticing was going to reach a critical mass. I've been saying that the community got co opted and now this is being steered in a place where there's no nuance and yada yada. And I knew that there would be a spark, Right. And that spark would, would really kick the conversation off in a bigger way. I don't think we're there yet. I mean, this song is, is, is somewhat of a spark. I don't think this is the big thing that I'm anticipating and I could easily be wrong, but I did not anticipate that it would be a black dude who sucked his cousin's dick who is going to lead the charge to I don't know, resurrect Hitler and take over the world like I was. I thought that was crazy. Now that I've stopped and think about it, like, damn, who's leading the white nationalists? You know, like, the actual people who love Nazis, who. Who actually, it's. It's a gay dude that just sucked his cousin off and then wiped his mouth off.

[Top Lops]

A gay black dude and a gay Mexican are leading the white nationalist movement.

[Clint]

I shared my screen. Please bring it up.

[David]

Is this the. The black statue lady?

[Clint]

No, this is the. This is the father.

[David]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Top Lops]

Yeah, here we go.

[David]

By the way, I just want to say, I don't care how up my kid is. If my kid does something wrong and. And you kill him, even if my kid was wrong, I gotta kill you.

[Top Lops]

It's also reminiscent of Kane Velasquez. Right? We're dealing with that as well. You just put him back in jail.

[David]

The river I've been running, look at that.

[Clint]

It's been a long time coming, but I know.

[Top Lops]

Damn.

[Clint]

I.

[David]

Look, I like it.

[Clint]

Again, not supporting what he did, but there's just. There's just something like. Just base. Base instinct necessary when it comes to defending your family. And it's like. Yeah, and I agree with you, David. Like, yeah, like, his kid was running away from the cops, the gun, you know, like, if there was ever an ex, you know, a reasonable explanation for a cop killing somebody, it's. It's close to that, but it doesn't matter. It's my kid. You killed my kid. You're my enemy.

[David]

I'm sorry. I'm gonna have to apologize preemptively. And then I'm gonna have to apologize to God when you kill me. But, yeah, if you kill my kid, no matter how retarded he was, I have a. I have to do this. I know. I now know how my life ends.

[Top Lops]

It's.

[David]

It's killing you and then dying.

[Clint]

Right? Man, I mean, that. That clip is so powerful. Like, the way he's, like, walking with his head down, then he sees the cops and he's just like, put that in the air.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

As he passes him, it's like, holy.

[David]

I actually don't feel any malice for that. I mean, I guess if you really wanted to get into the nitty gritty, you said, hey, you should have been a better father. What kind of kid you're raising that's doing X, Y, and Z, and like, look, man, the truth of children is after a certain age, they are raised by their peers. They're raised by the world. You. You try to give them as much of a good starting, you know, foundation as possible and give them those moral compasses and, you know, hopefully teach them good decision making and like that. But after a while, you hands off. 17 years old. That's. That's that age.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[David]

Sometimes you let them go and they stab a dude in the chest. 6.

[Clint]

I want to clarify something right off.

[Top Lops]

The start because I've already heard some rumors, gossip. This was not a race thing and.

[Clint]

This is not a political thing.

[Top Lops]

Please do not comment if you do not know what happened. Try.

[Clint]

Do not turn this into a racial thing.

[Top Lops]

It was not.

[Clint]

Do not politicize this.

[Top Lops]

It's not. This is a human being thing.

[Clint]

This person made a bad choice and.

[Top Lops]

Affected both his family and my family. There is a. It's staggering.

[Clint]

Right.

[Top Lops]

When you see the one to one, you see what. What it. That's the. The correct response. Even though his son is probably dead wrong. His son was probably stealing skittles or whatever, you know, and it's like, just. You're not supposed to do that. But as a father, this is your bloodline. Where are your instincts? Where. Where are your. Where's your side?

[Clint]

Your. Your instinct ought to be justice for my son. And that's it. Like, that's it.

[David]

Nah, nah. He should have got on that podium and he should have said, heil Hitler. And that should have been the whole. And then boom, just hit the salute and walk off the stage. That should have been it. And I would have respected the out of that, by the way. I'd have been like, he's wrong. You don't just go full bore hating all the blacks and go on a race war mission.

[Clint]

Can you imagine someone doing that after.

[David]

Honestly, if he did that, would we not live in a better world right now? If several weeks ago, this guy stood up there and he said. And they said, we're gonna give the microphone over. It's a grieving father. This is a hard time. Please be respectful for the par.

[Clint]

And he's just gonna say, because you. You and I part ways so, so dramatically on this.

[Top Lops]

Drastically.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Like, I do not think that we are in a better country if that kid's father throws up a seagile. Like, I don't. I don't think that's the answer. Do you honestly think that's the answer to have a Nazi movement in America? Because I do not.

[David]

No. I mean, look, that's a whole bunch of extra stuff that he, that he. Look, look. Because I said if he said this. I didn't say. If he started a Naz movement, that would be good, and there's room in the conversation for that. But just that moment of him getting up there and, you know, to watch a father who he has every right to. To who's gonna fault him? Who's gonna fault him.

[Top Lops]

You go up there and you say, listen, there's going to be a lot of racial tensions in America. Sure. This might not have been what this, this was actually about a seat in an auditorium, but this kid was a animal. And by no means should you support his legal fees and against. Against the legal fees that I'll be paying to defend my son's murder. By no means. Oh, well, I guess he's not going to be paying that. That's against the state now, right, because this kid's dead. But it's like by no means. This kid was a piece of. He stabbed somebody in the heart over a discussion discrepancy. Even if things got a little bit of into. If they got into a little bit of a tussle, all right, this is what happened. But the guy didn't do that. That's what, that's what people wanted. The response that you want to see from a father, at the very least.

[Clint]

I also don't respect the fact that he's. He's assuming that this has nothing to do with, you know, racial animus.

[David]

That's a big assumption, right?

[Clint]

It's like you don't know that. You absolutely, you can't possibly know the heart of the, of the kid that stabbed your son in the heart. Like you don't know that. So, like, we know the heart.

[Top Lops]

We know. Yeah, we know the heart. And it's like it's again, it's like a broad stroke again. But look at, look at the society and, and it's a half a million dollars that's showing what these people think. It's very tribal and they're picking their side, they're picking their blood. And I get it, I get it, but that's just what it is. So in, in response, you've got to pick yours at the very least, your family.

[Clint]

Here's. Here's my point, though. Like, that that black kid, that, that stabbed the white kid, maybe if it's a black kid who does the exact same thing, he stabs the black kid. Like, so I'm arguing we don't know. Well, maybe not maybe. So I. There's plenty of black on black murder. That's not like that is true. So I'm Just saying, the father doesn't know that. Okay, so you want it to not be political. Okay, I understand, but, like, you don't know that. So do not lie to defend the murder of your boy.

[David]

Like, that's gross. That that's where his head's at. That is his child is dead, and he feels the need to make sure that he defends a race as if, you know, as if even suggesting that that kid is representative of an entire race, since, like, he said it, not me.

[Clint]

But I don't like. I don't like the reaction of either of these fathers. I like. I don't think if you want to take vengeance against the. The actual cop that killed your kid, like, okay, like. Like I can at least get that. You just go randomly target some cop who had nothing to do with this, and you. And you murder them. That's atrocious behavior, but it's less atrocious in some ways than what this white dad did when it came to his own son being murdered. And that's a. That's a crazy thing to say, but.

[David]

Like, you know what? Wait, wait.

[Clint]

You get it.

[David]

You know, they are both perfect represent representations of something. One is a. Is a great representation of the inability to delay gratitude and to need satisfaction right now, and the other one is a great example of thinking into the future for your future self. That's interesting. That's very interesting.

[Clint]

It's a microcosm of time preference based off of murdered children.

[David]

What the fuck?

[Top Lops]

Libertarian thought experiment.

[David]

You know what, though? In that way, I got to go right back to what Top was saying, where it feels like these. These choices that we're given are so strange. Like, they are very strange. I'm not saying that somebody is orchestrating this, but I am saying, like, whatever is happening in history right now, we're given very racially charged, culturally charged examples that are inescapable and go viral constantly. It's. It's. It's. It's fascinating.

[Clint]

Like, Gary Plushe, he's like, he's the one that did it, right? He went after the guy who actually hurt his kid, you know?

[David]

Is that the guy that shot the dude in the. In the head? Yeah, yeah.

[Clint]

In court.

[David]

You know, there's a lot of room, though. I mean, I think that Gary. No, I think as far as what that dad did, it is. It's forgivable, right? As far as trying to defend the blacks and stuff like that. I mean, it's. It's a little bit gross that that's where your head's at, but it's also who the knows where that guy's head's at. He could, he, he did that. But if he instead went up there and he was like, I think that the Jews brought black people here as a biological weapon to destroy the cultural cohesiveness of our country and to so chaos and discord until a point where they could subvert us and take us over and destroy us from the inside. If he said that, I'd have been like, he's just lost a kid. Like, yeah, I mean, it's true, but it's also like, he just lost a kid. So I don't know. What's that? Yeah, let him vent a little bit. That's all I'm saying. Let him vent.

[Top Lops]

He gave us a response that was like, like, have you grieved? It seems like you've, you've thought about this a lot and there's not even, it's not like there's a race war happening. It's not like there's just black people and white people just dying in, in battles because of this.

[Clint]

Like, there's, there's mean comments on the Internet and like, that's your primary concern. Not, not justice for your son. I mean, it's just, it is faggot shit. I, look, I defended that dad, I defended that dad in the aftermath because I think that I don't ever want to judge a father in the moments after he's lost his son, you know, and I think that's, that is terrible. But at the same time, like, if that's the reaction I had as a dad, if my son was murdered, I would be a failure of a father like that. That cannot be my reaction.

[David]

Well, give him some time. Give him some time. Maybe, who knows, maybe he's here to stay. Maybe this isn't just a one off thing. Maybe after this he, he has a, a career as a promising cultural commentator and I don't think so.

[Clint]

No.

[Top Lops]

Yeah, his story is done. He's let the programming override the instincts that should have been there all along.

[Clint]

And I think that's actually what this, like this past, I don't know, five years or whatever has been is. Like white people essentially deciding that like, oh, we've given up on our own instincts to defend ourselves. And I think that's kind of what, where the build the wall, you know, vote for Trump type of energy came from. Yes, it's like, like it's just like, oh, we've decided not to defend ourselves. And we're looking over at Europe and we're looking over at other countries, Australia to a certain extent, and you're just like, oh, this unmitigated migration flood is ultimately. It's not just. It's not just, you know, modifying the fabric of your civilization. Like, in many ways, it's actually destroying it. It's destroying the foundation that was built over eons. And it's like, yeah, we're not doing that anymore. And I think that's where, you know, I lost a lot of my libertarian audience because I was like, look, you can't have a libertarian civilization with open borders. Sorry. Like, it's just not going to fucking happen. And I think you're retarded if you can't see what I'm saying. Like, it's so obviously true.

[Top Lops]

It's suicidal. It's a. There's like. I think we were talking to Vin Armani or Cyprian, and he said. I think he just boiled it down to, like a 1 and 0. You're making a choice constantly in life, and you're choosing death or you're choosing life. And if you're choosing life, you're choosing. Well, if you're choosing God, you're choosing life. If you're choosing death, you're choosing this other side. So illegal immigration, unfettered immigration, that is, in a sense, death to part of you. It will lead to, or could possibly lead to death, whether it be by violence, whether it just be by replacement, anything else, like, the idea of preservation. You're choosing life. Like, shouldn't you be choosing this all the time? Like, what is beneficial to you? Continuing to live, preserving your offspring, preserving your bloodline? That's the logical solution. That's the logical choice that people should be making when they choose against it. It's perplexing. And we see it and we go, why? Why did you choose death instead of life? And why is everyone celebrating it?

[Clint]

But. But what got even stranger is that it was huge swaths of, like, white people in America, and not just white people in America, but white people all over the world that were, like, loudly choosing their own death, you know, And I think that's where. Like, that's where the Elijah Schaefers and the Nick Fuentes of the world start to pop up and, you know, take on more prominence is like, yeah, this is just. If you just look at it, it's fucking weird. You know, it's like, if. If China were to open its borders to, I don't know, Africa and just have, you know, tens of millions of Africans going to China, you, like, we would all see that for what it is. It'd be like, oh, you don't care about maintaining your Chinese civilization. But if we, if we say the same thing about America, it's like problematic. You know, it's like, wait, what?

[David]

By the way, it's funny because if you look at every attempt to kind of bend over backwards and soothe race relations, it blows up. Like we've gotten to a place where it's not received well. To go up there and say, hey, this has nothing to do with. If you said this back in the 90s, I think people would have agreed if you said, like, this has nothing to do with race. We're all the same. You know, these kind of differences aren't important. Maybe people would have vibed with that. But now the fatigue is to such a degree that any attempt to be race conscientious blows up and actually results in the exact opposite. Like that, that bronze statue, I was just looking it up in Times Square. So they, they erected a statue of like a big black in Times Square. 12ft tall. I mean, literally, like, she's big, she's 12ft tall. And the.

[Clint]

They put another one up in Italy too.

[David]

Like, did they do that in Italy too?

[Clint]

Yes, across the street from some of the, the best works of art of mankind ever made.

[David]

That's insane. Well, it was meant to combat racism, which I don't. It's, it's, it's almost like. No, it's not. That's not what it was. You, you made a 12 foot statue of a fat black with her hands on her hips, looking like she's got an attitude. And that was meant to combat racism? It's like. No, it was meant to get the ridicule, the exact nature of ridicule that it's getting right now, I think, because that doesn't make sense to me.

[Top Lops]

This one's in Italy. It's just some black.

[David]

At least she's skinny. The one in, in Times Square is fat. It's hilarious.

[Clint]

Look at those statues behind it. I mean, those are like. Yeah, historic statues.

[Top Lops]

It's David, I think this is like a statue of David.

[David]

Statue of David to the left. It's crazy.

[Top Lops]

And this here's a bronze statue. She's just like scrolling on her phone, probably playing her Bluetooth speaker.

[David]

Dude, it's okay. You're the one you erected there. She's on her phone, which is like, there's no more of like a passive kind of thing to engage in than being out in public and like staring down at your phone. Right. So I don't know what positivity you're trying to derive from that model of statue, like this black chick looking at her phone, but when you do it in America in Times Square, where is the super awesome racism healing? It's a, it's a fat lady. She's got her hands on her hips like she's pissed off and she's, you know, not a very good looking woman by any stretch. So where the. Did you think that that was going to improve race relations? Because I can give you three or four examples as to how it would not. It would do the opposite. I mean, look at this thing here we're pulling. Yeah, look at this. How the. Is that improving race relations? What are you doing? You're putting a fat hideous on display for the world to mock.

[Clint]

I mean, it legitimately looks like a lady who's about to tear everything off the counter at like Subway.

[David]

Yeah, it looks like a lady that's gonna, for some reason cannot resist the urge to fight in every fast food establishment. Every fast food establishment. She cannot help but go into combat mode when she enters a Carl's Jr.

[Clint]

I asked for extra ketchup.

[David]

You, you. I mean, it's, I don't know. I, I don't, I don't believe that when they say, oh, we're going to erect this statue, it's going to help race relations. It's going to help quell racism.

[Top Lops]

How it's, it's stupid to even sit here and act like, well, I can't believe that they're trying to do. It's like, no, it's never intended to do that. These people aren't stupid. They're stoking. They're stoking the flames. I find it funny.

[Clint]

It's cultural revolution. It's actually trying to destroy the foundation of, of Western civilization. And, and look, I, I say all of this and I, I, you can clip a whole bunch of I've said throughout this episode and make me sound like some white nationalist. I still don't take it to the, to the level. I still don't take it to the level that, you know, Elijah Schaefer and Nick Fuentes and others, and you, you psychopaths too. I still think that people of different races can absolutely be American. And I acclimate and be Americans that I'd be proud to call my countrymen. So I am not, I am not a white nationalist. I just think that it's obviously true that there is something different when it comes to different races. And if you, if you think that there's no value in America being a predominantly white civilization. You're just not. You're just not being honest about, like, how it was created, the foundational beliefs, the Protestant work ethic, all of these other things that went into it. And, and it's just. It's weird to me that I can't just be honest about that without being called names, you know, because it's, it's.

[David]

I think that's the same thing.

[Clint]

Evidently. True.

[David]

It's that thing that we bring up all the time, which is that pressure cooker effect. I think that if anything is done by design, it's the quelling of conversation. I don't think that the people who are.

[Clint]

There was that clip on Rogan earlier this week where they. They said anytime that there's censorship or deplatforming or social pressure to, like, not say it's a psyop. Like, that's what this guy said. I don't know. He studied it. That's what he says.

[David]

That's what I believe. I believe when you suppress. Well, when you suppress speech, it seems pretty obvious from where we are in 2025, given the cultural climate right now, the cultural conversation, when you suppress a topic, it does not go away. And then when it finally does surface, it's way worse than it was before because you didn't allow people to talk. And I would say that that's not a mistake. It's not somebody trying to do the right thing, and then it just blows up. And look, it got the opposite result of what we wanted. No, if you have an understanding of human nature, you know that you can't do that to people. You can't just tell them, you can't talk about this thing because it builds resentment. And when that resentment builds to a critical mass, it explodes.

[Clint]

And here's, here's the other angle that. That basically forced me to start to think like this was that there was a massive movement that was demonizing the majority race in America that was saying, basically, as soon as we get power, we're going to kill you. Like that. That was. You know, people can lie about the message that they were receiving, but it was very clear to me, like, that that is the message I'm hearing from academia, from these college professors, from Hollywood, from the media. It was like, hey, as soon, like, not only are you going to be a minority soon, but we can't wait. And that's going to be great, because as soon as we have political power, it's over for you. Like that's that's all I heard. Well, like, white people are marching in lockstep, trying to vote to make the lives of minorities better. You have these minorities that are simultaneously saying very loudly, as soon as we're the majority, you're fucking toast.

[Top Lops]

It's crazy.

[Clint]

Yeah, it's. I mean, it's a crazy dynamic, but, like, if you're just actually taking them at their word, you'd have to be crazy not to go, hey, guys, maybe we shouldn't be going down this path anymore. This seems really fucking dangerous. This seems like apartheid South Africa. It seems like, kill the boars type of. And I'm not interested in having my family be the boars. You know what I mean? Like, hello.

[Top Lops]

It feels like that was the. That was the plan for. For a long time, like, leading up to that. Like, we're gonna just replace these white people. We're gonna do what we got to do. Get them out of here. Switch it out. That plan was abruptly stopped. Abruptly stopped. I think it was stopped a little bit with the first. First Trump presidency. And this is just by people. This is not like politics in the second Trump presidency. I feel like this has been stopped almost completely, but they're still moving forward with this. It's almost as if, like, they're being controlled by, like, if I was the right wing. If I was this white nationalist movement, I want exactly this. I want Leticia here looking sassy, and I want everybody to see it, and I want this to be a conversation, and I want to build this emotion up in people. And then you start to galvanize your side. It's like this. This is what we're going to do. So it's like, yeah, now we. We've moved past, like, the. We're being targeted, and this is going to happen to white people. To. We're provoking a response from white people. Otherwise makes no sense.

[David]

Kanye can mend it. He can stop it. If he can get in front of this and do the exact opposite of what they want the black community to do. If he can get in front of this and Heil Hitler and all this.

[Top Lops]

Like, it's a great point. Like, like we said or not. Nice guy. That song is an olive branch to the white people.

[David]

It is.

[Top Lops]

And it's so like, all right, who is. Who's perpetrating. Again, this. I guess back to the Jews, but who's perpetrating?

[Clint]

Who's.

[Top Lops]

Who built this statue? This statue came from.

[David]

I was looking for that, obviously, if I could find it. Keep going.

[Top Lops]

It came from like probably a non profit government organization like the YWCA or some like that. And then they. They erected this with taxpayer funds. But it's like, I guess if you dig deep enough, you'll find out that it's probably the same people that are creating all the rest of these psyops. And then you have something that is like, so Kanye song is neither white versus Black because again, they like to play this game with you. Like, like, oh, white people are Jewish, but they're not. This is very directed at one race. And white people are now standing with. It's so. It's so confusing. The battle lines keep getting drawn and then move and shifted here.

[David]

You know what's worth mentioning? That statue, as much as it was erected to help combat racism, it was erected. It was intended to be a stark contrast to the statue of Father Francis Duffy. So you have a. A Catholic priest and a military man who's a Canadian American soldier, and he's got a statue that's erected out there. This was literally supposed to stand like in opposition to it, which is hilarious. He had this white guy who's Catholic, and then what do they do? They put a big sassy black that's literally in opposition to him. It's fun. Even the stance on that statue, by the way, is like you picked the. Like, you went through all these different stances and poses and you found the one that's called the. And you went with that one with the whole head. It looks like she really is about to start screaming about the order you up at McDonald's.

[Clint]

What's so upsetting about this is like I was of the generation of white people that just like, wanted nothing but to just get along.

[David]

They're like, oh, they wanted nothing but to be black.

[Clint]

Well, that too. But like, yeah, part of that was just like wanting to get along, you know, wanting to like, gen. Genuinely integrate and like, take on your cultural mores that I like and you take on mine and we become a big happy family and it's like, not an option. Sorry.

[Top Lops]

It could have. I guess these things could have been possible, but you need to. There needs to be one unifying culture. And I feel like the, you know, whatever this. There's powers that be that have moved these cultures in completely separate directions. It's funny how like, Hal Hitler brings the. Brings it together, right? Isn't that weird? It's.

[David]

We're in a weird place.

[Top Lops]

I don't like it. I don't like it.

[Clint]

Like, I don't like it either.

[Top Lops]

Not a fan of Hitler. But I'm just saying what is objectively, objectively true, how Hitler is bringing together the black community and the white community. That's a crazy sentence.

[David]

It's healing the world.

[Top Lops]

Make it a better place.

[David]

That was actually Shane Cashman. Shout out to Shane Cashman. He said, we are the world, but Heil Hitler needs to happen right now. So you get everybody together to go, we are the world, but instead, it's all these celebrities holding hands and singing Heil Hitler.

[Top Lops]

We're gonna be doing that at Bohemian Grove, so go ahead and check that out.

[David]

We're definitely gonna play this, right? How Hitler, nigga. At the. At the event.

[Top Lops]

I don't even know if we should, man. I am so. I don't know. Probably. We probably.

[Clint]

Probably.

[David]

It'll probably be cool.

[Top Lops]

I'm just gonna say I'm working on an arrangement for the ukulele for that, so maybe.

[David]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Top Lops]

Anyway, here we go. Yeah. Bohemian Grove. We're gonna be there June 20th, the 21st. You guys can get [e-mail] brogrove.com go check it out. We have Owen Benjamin headlining. Sam Tripley headlining. Tower Gang will be the Nephilim desk. I will be there. Shane Cashman is going to be emceeing both nights. We have Elijah Schaefer, who will be doing his show, a conspiracy roundtable with all your favorite creators. Pretty much anybody that is in the Florida Illuminati is showing up, and even people from outside the Florida Illuminati are coming. It's going to be fun. Tickets are more than half sold out, so make sure you get them, because we released them, like, last week, and they already moved. They moved quicker than I thought. There's also the idea of more VIP tickets, which I might try to open up. I've got to see what we can do, but I'm sure if I open that up, that'll go pretty fast. That was the first thing that went. So, guys, please go out there. Don't miss. This is going to be a fun event, man.

[David]

I have a feeling it's going to be. We're gonna enter June, and I wouldn't be surprised if the tickets were gone once we hit June, just based off of the way that they've been moving. But, yeah, guys, June 20th through the 21st, and we're gonna be taking over a small town after that. It's Leesburg, Florida. So after the event is over, we're gonna be pouring into the local bars and restaurants, hanging out, playing pool, having drinks, eating food. And. And Highland Hitler. No, we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that. It seems like a lovely town. We're not gonna how Hitler in it.

[Top Lops]

Okay, perfect. I think. I think this is a good spot too. If you're watching on the Nephilim Death Squad YouTube or the Nephilim death squad Rumble, we're gonna get rid of that. Find us on Dangerous RT RDS. We're on Rumble and YouTube. So go over there right now. Go follow us.

[Clint]

Not nearly enough people have subscribed to the Dangerous RTRD on. On Rumble because that's like, that's got to be our home. So please do subscribe there. We just put it up on these other places temporarily, but, like, that'll be the home because, like, everything we did throughout this episode cannot exist on yt.

[David]

That is true. That is true. They're gonna take us down. Who? Who are they? I don't know.

[Top Lops]

You just.

[David]

They're gonna find us and they're gonna remove our channels.

[Clint]

And by the way, I just wanted to. I just wanted to say I was thinking about this while I took a piss a second ago. Yeah. Growing up, it was like, who were the people that influenced me the most? Who are the people I looked up to the most? It was like, blacks. Just hear me out. It was Michael Jordan and then Kobe Bryant. It was Michael Jackson and then Kanye West. It was. Yeah, exactly. You got the Jays. It was. You know, Denzel Washington was one of my favorite actors. Who else? You know, just go down the list. Like, my. Almost all of my musical influences were black guys. And it's just. It's just crazy that, like, we just. We went from that to this.

[David]

I mean, I'll give it to them. Black people are magic, right? And so it's very important that you control them because.

[Clint]

Eddie Murphy was probably my favorite comic. Sorry.

[David]

Of course, Dave Chappelle was. Was huge for me.

[Clint]

Yes, Chappelle. As soon as I became an adult, he was like a legend.

[Top Lops]

So Eddie Murphy got me into stand up comedy. Like I. I used to.

[David]

Raw.

[Top Lops]

Yeah, I used to watch like Comedy Central Presents. I would just put it on and like, go to sleep, let that play all night. And they'd play, you know, the 30 minute specials of all these people from like Paulo Francisco to Dane Cook back in the day. And I'm just like. But it was Eddie Murphy that kicked that door open for me with. It might have been raw or delirious. So. Yeah, dude, Michael Jackson. I don't even know if he's white or black. That's the. My first favorite musician and no matter how racist I am or how racist you guys perceive me as, it's just, it's just the facts, man. He's some of my favorite people. They do some of the really great stuff. It's just a very, it's like the, whatever the culture, the powers that be, the society now has made it very hard to coexist with them at the same time because of what they are telling them is okay for them to do or what they're allowed to get away with. Like, if we're going to live in a society, there has to be rules and boundaries for everybody, right?

[Clint]

Yeah, of course.

[Top Lops]

You can't break those rules and boundaries if you're a specific color.

[Clint]

Like, yeah, even if they're not laws, there are social morais that have to be abided by for, you know, communities to coexist with one another. And I feel like to a large extent, you know, white people respect the mires of, of black communities, but it's not a two way street. And until it is, well then coexistence is going to be, you know, strife. It's going to be challenging. So I think that's, that's where we're at. And, and it's unfortunate because I really felt like we were on, on a trajectory towards like as, as colorblind a society as you've ever seen for such an incredibly multicultural, diverse, you know, country, which America is an experiment in that regard. There are very few countries that are as diverse as we are. And in, in many ways we got along better than most other countries that have ever gone down this path. So it's just tragic. And it's all, it's all a product, you know what? I, I don't think it's all a product of, of black people. Even though I know a lot of racists argue that. I think it's more a product of this Marxist ideology that, that divided us into critical theory and, and started to do this oppression Olympic shit that then, then everything started to fray. And I don't think that was an accident. I think it was extraordinarily intentional.

[David]

You know, what strikes me as significant is that so when it comes to the N word, right, and specifically the black people that will get upset about that because it's not all black people. Some black people are cool and they're like, we don't give a fuck what you say. It's just a word, right? But the ones who get really mad at about it. The. The presupposition here is that it is a violation of respect and honor, more or less. Right? It's like my ancestors, what my people went through. That word is hypercharged emotionally and historically, therefore don't use it. And that is all held up by concepts like respect and honor. But the same people that get violent about the use of that word are the same people that display the exact opposite of respect and honor. These are the same people that will stomp on each other's faces while they're unconscious. They'll stab each other. They'll shoot each other. They. They disrespect women on a regular basis. They have children out of wedlock. They. They abandon their children. I'm not saying the entire black community right now. I'm just talking about. It just so happens the overlap between blacks that get mad at the word nigger and blacks that also display no honor in their life is massive. It's like the same group, actually. It's one circle. And I just found that really interesting. It's like, you're lying. It's never been about respect or honor. It's been about the right to beat the. Out of somebody because they used a word. And. And. And that's kind of much more about fun, in my opinion. Honestly, I think the spirit of blacks freaking out and beating the. Out of people who say is more the spirit of fun. And I'm not even joking around here. Then it is the spirit of honor and respect for my. My elders who came before me. It's just weird.

[Top Lops]

It's having a laugh.

[David]

Like, they're just having a laugh.

[Top Lops]

Tell the. Tell the story about what happened to you at the store there. Because it's like, dude, happens all the time.

[David]

I never. Like, I never go anywhere without my gun. I never go anywhere without my gun. This one time. Actually, it happened again today. This morning. Top. And maybe I'll tell you about that. It wasn't black, though. But I didn't take my gun to take out the trash. I. A German shepherd. A loose German shepherd. Yeah. My son's coming with me to throw the trash out. I gotta tell him to go back inside. Now I gotta try to kill a German shepherd. But it left me alone. So I'm walking to the corner store and. And I see somebody causing a problem at the back door of the corner store. And I go, dude, I'm just not gonna walk that way. I'm gonna walk the other way. I'll go around the front. I go around the front, and there's Just dudes. Face tattoos and body. And they're. No shirt. And there's two of them, and they look like they're about to get into a fight over there. And I'm like, man, now I'm realizing, like, I live in a area, and this is actually very frustrating. So I navigate these people. I get into the corner store, and as soon as I go there, I'm standing in line and like, 15. I. I don't know if I want to say legitimate. Like 15 bloods come into the corner store. And when I say bloods, like, what do you mean, bloods? They're black. No, I mean, they're wearing ski masks. They all have red bandanas hanging out of their pockets, and the only visible skin on their faces is covered in tattoos. And the conversation that they're having.

[Clint]

You gotta move.

[Top Lops]

Yeah, dude.

[David]

The conversation that they're having is exclusively about their guns that they have on them. At the moment, everything is my blickies. Blickies. Blickies, for those who don't know, is a. It's a black terminology for gun. Because what I will give to them is they make every word more fun. Blicky is a lot more fun than gun. It's a great word. But they're all talking about it. They're all talking about how they got the new blicky, and this one's got the red dot on it, and they're all, like, gesturing at. And I'm just standing in there, 15 black dudes deep, all of them with guns and all of them with red flags hanging out of their pockets and ski masks on. And I'm like, maybe it is a black culture thing. You know? Maybe it is.

[Top Lops]

And then what do they do?

[David]

You know what I mean?

[Top Lops]

Like, what do they do? Like, they start, this is like, oh.

[David]

My God, Black people do a hilarious thing. This is a hilarious thing.

[Top Lops]

This is why it's fun. This is why it's funny.

[David]

It's because where they're having fun, this is where they're going.

[Top Lops]

They're not. You're not applying the rules of society anymore. Like how we're going to treat our neighbor. They're fully aware of it, but they're. They're disregarding those rules because it's fun. And it is fun.

[David]

Well, you know, here's the fun part. This is where people are going to hear this, and they're going to know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Clint]

Out.

[David]

So I'm standing in line and I'm ordering a bag of ice. Three bags of ice. And like a. I call them sips app waters. It's like a Lacroix. And as I'm getting that, I go, hey, Frank, I love those things. So I go, hey, Frank, how you doing? Can I get three bags of ice? And he goes, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then all of a sudden, I hear from behind me, from the black people, they go, got three bags of ice. Okay, okay. Buying three bags of ice. Okay, Okay. 19. They got three back. Why the. Are you narrating the minutiae of my life? Because you want me to turn around and go, are you talking to me? So you can go. You. And you can shoot me or stab me or beat my ass or whatever it is, but they narrate what you do, even if it's insignificant. You're laughing because you know exactly what the.

[Top Lops]

I'm super predator. It's super predator dog.

[David]

This walking. I'll leave a walk across parking lot. Look at this. Two legs. And.

[Top Lops]

Look at walking like walking like a snake going home.

[David]

Home.

[Top Lops]

Look how many rings he's got on. Look at this ring.

[David]

At this time.

[Clint]

In the parking lot.

[Top Lops]

The second you're like, bro. The second you go, huh? They go, the. You looking at. You're looking at me? And then the boy's like, he's looking at you. I think he's looking at me. Why are you doing this?

[David]

Why are you doing that?

[Top Lops]

You don't respect the rules of society. And what's happening here is white people are going to be like, well, there's going to be rules now, and they're going to be hard rules. And it's hard for me to. It's going to be hard for me to be like, let's have some, like, you know, decency.

[Clint]

You have.

[Top Lops]

You've had no decency this entire time.

[Clint]

I just want to. I just want to be. I. I hate to be the. The liberal of. I hate to be the liberal of the group to interject with this, but here's the truth. There are a huge percentage of black people that. That live where you live, David, that want out of there just as desperately as you do, because they can't stand those people, too.

[David]

Do you hear that? I don't know if that's coming through. That are. That's my black neighbors. They ride dirt bikes around. We live in a tiny little apartment. They have dirt bikes in their house. They pull them out. I have to constantly pause my microphone because they pull out their dirt bikes and they rev them incessantly behind my apartment over and over again. And one time One time, a little old lady called them out on that who was walking her dog there. And you know what he said to her? He said, I am going to shoot you in the chest. That is real. That's not even a story I made up. That's. My wife was telling me that I finished with the podcast. I went onto the porch. She's like, new black neighbors down the. Just threatened to shoot the old lady in the chest. I'm like the old lady with the Boston terrier. Yeah. Yeah. What did she do? I don't know. It's fucking. They had loud bikes.

[Clint]

Yeah. Look, I'm. Look, I'm not saying that they're all good people. I'm just saying that there are. There are plenty that are. That's all. That's all I'm saying.

[David]

Of course there is. Of course there's. That's not the point here. The point is when we can't have a conversation about, why do you. Why do you narrate everything that I do? Why do you whisper the things that I'm doing? Why do you say them to your buddies like it's a. And. And it's a rhetorical question. Because I know what the answer is. The answer is you want plausible deniability. When I get so fed up. Up and so confused and turn around and come at you out of pocket, you now have the ability to say, you started it, and now you get the ability to beat my ass and stomp my head into the pavement. So that's. That's. And that's what it goes back to, what I'm saying. It's never about the honor or the respect of your ancient family. It's about the fun of beating up white people, which, like, I'm sure is a great time, honestly. I mean, you know, if. If it's you and your. Look, just think, logistically speaking, take all the emotional energy out of it.

[Top Lops]

I don't even think they believe truly, that, like, the white people are oppressing them. It's something that they.

[David]

No, they don't.

[Top Lops]

They don't believe that.

[David]

There's no way possible deniability. It's all to have a launching pad for the negative behavior and then to justify it when they're called out on it. It's like. Well, I don't know. He didn't seem to like the way that I was narrating his life.

[Top Lops]

I'll say this as well. I don't think that this negative behavior is inherent. Is inherent to them. I just think that they've been allowed to do it. So they're gonna. It's like. I think it's inherent to human nature to, like. Like, I could just stomp this guy's head in and like, all of my. If all your homies start doing, you'd be like, I'll do it too. You see a lot of groups act like that, and if.

[Clint]

If you behave like that or if you see people behave like that throughout your childhood, you're going to adopt some of those. Those same instincts. Because, like, you have those instincts. You're not adopting the instinct. You are allowing the instinct to become part of your actual operating system. How you evaluate, you know, your surroundings and your life and how you. How you interact with people. And that's a problem. And that's just. That's just a flat problem. And it exists. It exists in Hispanic communities in the hood to a certain extent, some impoverished white areas. It's very dangerous to be too. Like. But these are. These are, like. These are cultural morays that just kind of have been permitted. And it's like, you lock up a lot of these people when they. When they get. Get wild with it, and they could, like, actually kill somebody. But for the most part, you know, if you just beat up a random white guy, you're probably not going to jail. Probably not. Unless it's like, caught on camera and you actually have a cop who's, like, on event. On a vendetta to. To see you locked up like this happens too often. It's just. It's. It's tragic. Anyways, I wanted to. I wanted to talk briefly about the move, because I know we were going to get there eventually.

[David]

Yeah.

[Clint]

Yeah, that.

[Top Lops]

Yeah.

[Clint]

All right. So I moved up here. It's. It's. While we're obviously still, like, evolving the studio. At some point, David's gonna move here, and then we're gonna be doing this all in the same studio with four cams. It's gonna be killer.

[David]

The shot looks great, by the way, Clint. Especially on. On Tower Gang last night. It was. It's a. It's a good shot. Everything's coming out real nice. Yeah.

[Clint]

Yeah.

[Top Lops]

There's something with the camera that it auto. It's auto focusing, but I. I will fix that. We'll hammer out all the details, but it looks great. It looks like. Where's my picture? I don't know. I lost the picture. Oh, here it is. Yeah, I, like. I prophesied this. This picture right up. Can't. Don't pull it up on the page. Yeah, no, exactly. Thanks a lot Guys, here we go.

[David]

Boom.

[Top Lops]

No, that's not it. This is it.

[Clint]

Here we go.

[Top Lops]

The Liberty Lockdown picture of Clint there.

[David]

Oh, my God. That's weird.

[Top Lops]

Strange.

[David]

Oh, that's weird.

[Top Lops]

Weird.

[David]

Yeah, that's weird.

[Clint]

You know, also, my name in all caps looks like cunt, which is fun.

[David]

This is. This is on the topic, but the other day I saw somebody on Twitter say something, and it was like a.

[Top Lops]

Big account, and they said someone on Twitter said something.

[David]

That's crazy. And it wasn't. It wasn't racist either. It was. It was never tell anyone your plans ever and ever was, like, in capital letters. And I felt like that was not good advice because I operate on this system of telling people I'm going to do things and then feeling the pressure from not wanting to be a liar. And it's so overwhelming that it forces my hand and makes me do the thing that I was talking about doing.

[Clint]

Well, this is actually like 101. Human psychology is that you ought to be using social pressure. And the only way you can have social pressure applied to you is by letting your. Your social network know what you intend to do. So if you then back out of it, then it's obviously there's shame that goes along with that. So this is Tony Robbins. Like, I learned this back when I was, you know, when I was a kid, that you ought to be not not only setting goals, but being, you know, amplifying them, letting people know so that they can also apply that pressure and stigma if you fail, but also assist you in that process, and you might find other people to assist you down that. That road. So whoever. Whoever posted that is a idiot.

[David]

Yeah, I do feel like that's bad advice. Right? It's genuinely bad advice. My. My major motivator is my own internal narrator that will, like, chew me apart. If I say I'm about some and then I don't do it, I'll feel like a fraud forever. So I have to. It's been the main cause, you know, everybody grows up in whatever town or city you grow up in, and everybody knows a million that never left, but talked a lot of about leaving, talked a lot of about pursuing something, building something, being something, but simply never did. It's almost like there's a psychological effect where talking about your goals alleviates some of the pressure of actually executing them and gives you a little bit of satisfaction, and then that's enough to quell you for a while and you won't get up. Where for me, it's the opposite. If I say I'm gonna move to Florida because New Jersey. I'm gonna do it. If I say I'm gonna start a show, I'm gonna do it. If I say I'm gonna try to start a business, I'm gonna do it. Like. Like I can't be subjected to how vicious the internal narrator actually can get when you don't do what you say you're going to do. So I. I agree. I think that's trash advice.

[Clint]

It's. It's terrible advice. And. And also what you're describing is, like, the prerequisite for all. All successful people, all driven people. It's not. It's not that you're always going to have external motivations. I. Every. Every person I've ever met who's, like, independently successful is built how I am, where, like, I am unbelievably abusive to myself if I fail. So, you know, no one will ever say anything that's, like, meaner to me than my own mind says to myself if. If I don't follow through. But anyways, so moved up here. It's been brutal. I'm in a. I'm in a building in a unit that, like, sucks dick, to be honest. I mean, it just kind of sucks. The location's dope. The location is very cool. I don't have dishwasher. I don't have a washer dryer. I haven't had a TV for the past.

[David]

Look at him looking at the things he doesn't have. He's looking off camera at the empty voids where those things should be.

[Clint]

I don't have a microwave, so I don't have, like, a functional life at all. But I just. I just wanted to bring the story up to basically, hopefully have it serve as inspiration for some of our audiences. Like, I am going for it.

[Top Lops]

You know, you could live in squalor too.

[David]

You too can live in squalor.

[Clint]

Well, that. That's kind of the point. It's like, I don't have to. I have plenty of money. I could go live in. I was living in a, you know, skyrise condo with water views. It was very nice facial recognition technology.

[David]

I love how, like, oh, how the mighty have fallen. Like, this was on the 27th floor of a high rise that overlooked the ocean. Now he. His window overlooks an addition that was not approved by the township.

[Clint]

And. And I live. I live kitty corner from a retard college. Like these. This is all true, but this is not. This is not the point comic book shop.

[Top Lops]

It's. It's Tragic dog.

[Clint]

Yeah. Yeah. But see this, like, I'm glad. I'm glad it makes you guys laugh, but it doesn't faze me even slightly. I love it. I love the. I love the challenge. I love, like, it actually. It actually has added more fuel to my fire because I'm like.

[David]

I'm like, oh, gotta get out of this hellhole.

[Top Lops]

Yeah.

[Clint]

No, no. Please subscribe.

[David]

Please. I knew. I knew that it wouldn't trip up Clint at all. And the moment that I knew this wasn't when he had blood on his pillows or kratom in his cups or watermelon on his. On his, you know, on his wall.

[Top Lops]

It was when Toad said. Toad said.

[Clint]

It's a. It's a.

[Top Lops]

What do you say? A load bearing watermelon painting.

[David]

So funny. I. I heard. Yeah, it was incredible. It was incredible. But the moment that I knew that none of this really bothered Clint was when we were in the theater with the guy who owns the theater. And we're looking it over, we're trying to picture this event in our heads. I'm standing on the stage, Clint's down on the floor, and he's talking to this guy. And as I'm trying to get the vision, I look down and I get an alternative vision. And that is Clint's sweatpants are falling off his body. And to the extent that I can. I can see where the divide in your dick and thigh starts. You know what I mean? Like, where that creases. You have like an armpit. That's your thigh. And I'm looking. And then I look over just slightly to the left, and I realize how disrespectfully his penis is protruding from his pants. And I go, this doesn't care about anything at all. Not a single thing amazes this. He's talking to the owner of the establishment that we are going to perform at.

[Top Lops]

And he was talking to a billionaire yesterday who owns ranches and the entire town. And he's wearing. Well, I don't know, the same. A tank top, maybe those same sweatpants. But those sweatpants, I don't even. They don't have what I would describe as a hole in them, more so worn from like, maybe leaning over and playing video games. Like, worn of just like with your.

[David]

Elbows on your thighs.

[Top Lops]

You're wearing them now?

[Clint]

Yeah, no, I'm wearing them right now. I slept in them. But yeah, I look and I. And I met this guy wearing them. And I don't care, like. But see, that's the thing. People think it's all about, like, appearance. It's, at a certain point, the. All the wealthy people. I know.

[Top Lops]

Part of it, though, Clint.

[Clint]

No, it's not. It is.

[Top Lops]

No, not even pants.

[Clint]

Here's the thing. When you're young.

[Top Lops]

Yeah.

[Clint]

And you don't have. It's kind of important to put on the face of being, you know, respectable and looking like a business professional. Once you have. Once. You know, once you can actually own, like, hold your own in the conversation. You saw what I did with it with Tom during that conversation. Like, not like I was trying. I'm just saying.

[David]

Jerked off right in front of him.

[Clint]

No, that's all I'm saying.

[Top Lops]

I'm saying it was a fantastic conversation about the economic. The temperature of the economy and which way it's going, and both of these guys. You're talking about fucking. Well, Clint, who is probably a millionaire on his own, and you're talking about a guy that. Who is a multimillionaire, probably a billionaire. They're talking about how to manipulate this market and, like, the fungibility of jobs and building a town. And I'm just sitting there with the assistant, like, the. The. What's her name? What? Addie or something. And we're just looking. I'm like, pay attention. I was like, you should be writing this down.

[David]

You know what? They're not talking about pants. They're not talking about pants. They're not talking about denim.

[Clint]

He wasn't. He wasn't talking about the hole in my sweatpants. And as soon as he is. He. As he hears me start to go deep on this, he's not gonna care what I'm wearing. So that's the point. And. And I just. I don't give a. About any of that. And it's not relevant. It doesn't. It doesn't hold me back. And, in fact, it motivates me.

[Top Lops]

Anyway, it doesn't hold you back at all. But, Clint, is there. Is there a way that we could.

[Clint]

Get you to buy new sweatpants? Sure.

[David]

Have pants on.

[Top Lops]

Yes.

[David]

Yeah. Bind that dick to your thigh so it's not just so disrespectfully.

[Top Lops]

Yeah. I mean, can we. Can we. Is there a way I can get you to wear underwear?

[David]

No. Yeah, that'd be crazy. You know what Clint has taught me when we first. When I first met.

[Clint]

New sweatpants, though. They're arriving today. Just so you know.

[Top Lops]

Oh, good for you. Okay.

[David]

When I first met Clint, I realized, like, there's a lot that I don't understand about cozy. There's a lot that I don't understand about cozy. And I. And I've been learning a lot. And it was that moment when I realized. I looked around at Clint's apartment and I saw the lack of dishwasher or drawers or anything like that at all. Anything meaningful, anything that a man needs in his life to be comfortable. And I realized, I said, how could a man who is so fond of coziness find himself in such an uncosy place? And I realized that cozy doesn't happen out here, guys. It happens in here.

[Clint]

That's right.

[Top Lops]

Yeah.

[Clint]

And I'm cozy. And by the way, by the way, I. I signed up to Plant Fitness and I've. I've gone the past four days in a row. So I get this black card, right? It's 25 bucks a month, like the regular memberships. 15 is 25 for the black bar. Black card gets you the backroom access. And it's got these six different, or, well, three different styles of massage chairs, but two of each. And every day after my workout, I go in there and I take a 10 minute massage. So this is what I'm saying.

[David]

I'm saying, like, it's cozy as.

[Clint]

I'm just cozy as. So, like, I go out there and I grind and then I gotta make sure you take care of the cozy. So that's the key. So here I got no, I got no cozy. And that's fine. Like, I'm trying to build something very, very hard to do. Like, it's just a. Like what we're trying to accomplish is so, so challenging. So many people want to do it. Basically everyone wants to do it. Almost nobody does it. Almost nobody. I mean, we're talking like, I don't know, fucking a thousand people that really make a career out of podcasting. Yeah, we're trying to be in that thousand. That's fucking hard.

[Top Lops]

Not only are we trying to be in that thousand, but I think you're well on your way to making a career out of your show, though. The show right behind you, Liberty Lockdown, that is, in my opinion, it's a proven commodity. It can do what it does. And you figured out a good formula. Know we're doing Nephilim Death Squad. I think we figured out a very good formula. It's popular, people like it, and it's only going to grow. We've decided that those two endeavors are not difficult enough. We're going to do something else from scratch. And that's what we're doing here with this thing. And it's, it is psychotic. But Like, I don't even feel. I don't really feel that way when I see what we're doing. I go, yep. It's just like. I'm, like, it's just a matter of, like, when we do things.

[Clint]

This is the. This is the key. So the problem is, is that people. People say they want something, but they're not willing to do what's necessary to actually accomplish it. I am demonstrating to you, despite the fact that I have wealth already accumulated, that I'm willing to move into a shoebox across the street from a retard college on top of a comic book shop and start a show with two absolute psychotic, obvious cocaine dealer from Cuba and this other fucking Puerto Rican who fled New York City after killing God knows how many people on the train tracks. I. This. This is what it takes, ladies and gentlemen. It. Yes, there is no barrier to entry when it comes to podcasts, but if you want to be successful on the level that I want to be successful, you have to be willing to suffer. So, yes, I'm cozy here, but I'm in pain everywhere else.

[David]

Well, they. They. People out there are. You know, it's easy for you, Clint, because you're. You're a single man with no children. You could just get up and I'm doing the exact same thing. I will be there in first. I'm taking vacation, which is going to be lovely. And then when I come back from vacation, which is almost certainly going to be a cruise ship filled with obese black people, I will then be going.

[Top Lops]

You could have done anything, though. This is a crazy part. You could have done whatever, but you're choosing. You constantly choosing death.

[David]

It's complicated. Okay? You know what it is? It's. My wife is like, we need to go on a vacation. And I don't think in terms of vacation, like, ever, ever. I just don't think about it. I could probably never go on vacation and be just fine. And I. I had to tell her. I was like, look, if you're gonna do it, just do it. I'll make the money, you pull the trigger. Just get it done. And this is what we're doing. So, I mean, I'm looking forward to it. It should be cool. I'm actually looking forward to being able to see the stars, you know, because over the ocean, there's no light pollution, so that'll be really cool. But when I come back, I'm taking my child, I'm taking my wife, I'm taking my two morbidly obese cats, and we are moving all the way up there and. And, you know, having new roots to pursue this thing so it can be done. It's daunting. Nobody says it's easy. And it'll really though. What I find is it's not the difficulty of the thing. It is the difficulty of managing the anxiety tornado in your gut. Because moving is stressful. Starting a new job is stressful. Doing them in conjunction is even worse. Hey, why don't you toss in a live event where you're going to be on stage in front of 240 people. Everything that we're doing. The hardest part is really the anxiety. But if you can train yourself to get past that, just move. Pursue the you want to pursue. It's just. It upsets me because that so many people live like this. This life where they. They talk a lot about the things they want to do, and then they get to the end and they realize they didn't do any of them. And that sucks. Regrets are never about the things that you did. It's really more about the things you never did.

[Top Lops]

The level of stress I don't think people understand that I operate on under every day is insane. And I. I, like, got out of New York to avoid stress. I left my old job to avoid stress. And I have done only things that have created a different type of stress for me. Like my. My biggest type of stress is like the recurring dream I've had my entire life is like, I wake up and I have a report due for some school shit that I didn't do. And this is like, kind of like my job now. There's, like, deadlines every day. You've got to do something, and if you don't do it, there's not another guy that's going to drive the truck. It's like, you better do this. And then, you know, we just keep. I just keep adding more stuff on top of it. But it's like, these are things that are absolutely necessary things that I want to do, and then. Then we just do it. And I. I try my best to ignore it. I just ignore it. The stress will kill me a lot sooner. Yeah. Pretty soon. But these things are happening, and we're going to do these things right now and see what they. What they turn out to be.

[Clint]

Yeah. So if you guys want to support us, definitely show up to Brogrove. I'm telling you guys, like, even if you're far away, we have people coming from Norway and, I don't know, Australia.

[David]

Australia and Norway. Who are you people that bought tickets From Australia and Norway. I want to know who you are.

[Top Lops]

That's a girl flying from Norway by herself.

[Clint]

Yeah, it's unbelievable. So, anyways, point being, this is. This is our opportunity, and I think it's going to happen so you don't. Don't feel any pressure, but this is our opportunity to level up in a way that is just unquantifiable. Like, if we have a. I was talking to Top about this last night. We're gonna. I'm gonna try and get our. Our, like, our film crew to run a drone inside the theater and. And take it from the back of the theater to the stage. As we're on stage performing with 240 people in the audience. I'm telling you, the optics of that are going to be incredible. To do that with a podcast is, like, just unheard of. This is basically Tony Hinchcliffe. And who else does that? Like, very few people. So if you want to be there, if you want to actually help launch this, you have an opportunity. It's going to be. Even setting aside the fact that it would help us out, it's going to be so much fun.

[Top Lops]

So y' all, again, that's the only thing that's like. Like, I'm constantly like, oh, my God, Like, I have to do this for this. But I'm like, it's going to be so much fun. Even though, like, during the event, everybody else will be having a lot of fun. I will be probably, like, moving around, running around. But even so, like, it's still gonna be ridiculous. Like, I don't know when is there going to be another opportunity to get Owen Benjamin live in person, to just talk with this guy? He's gonna be, like, walking around.

[David]

That's what I'm saying. It's like, we'll. We'll be doing this again because we do them a couple times a year. I ultimately, I'd like to consider doing them three times a year. But the idea that we would get this kind of a setup again, Sam and Owen, it's like, I. I wouldn't do that again because we already did it. And so it's kind of. You got one shot to come and.

[Clint]

Be at this thing I've been listening to. Well, I mean, I stopped for a while, but I started listening to Owen Benjamin's podcast back in 2015 or 16, a full decade ago. And the fact that, like, I think he would probably consider me a friend at this point is so bizarre. And I've never even met him before. We're gonna get to Hang out with him and do the shows in person. It's gonna be amazing. You guys got it.

[Top Lops]

There's anxiety with that for me as well. Like, Shane Cashman's gonna be there. Never met him in person. What if. What if he looks at me and fucking like, I hate this guy. What if Owen Benjamin looks at me and goes, fuck this guy. What if Samford. I've met him a couple of times. What if he's like, this time? Like, you know what you. It's like this social pressure. It's crazy. But all these people are going to be there. Every conspiracy theorist that we've had on our show is pretty much coming down. There's, like, comedy. It's gonna be crazy.

[David]

It's gonna be such a good time. And I just want to say how happy I am that, you know, whatever, life is weird and. And the three of us found each other, and what we're doing is we're carving out this thing where we get to do what we want, and that's it. And. And even if it falls apart tomorrow, I will get to say that at some point in my life, for a good chunk of it, I spent a lot of time doing whatever the I wanted to do. And that's awesome.

[Clint]

Yep. And. And you took a swing. Whether you. Whether you missed it or you hit it, it at least you swung. A lot of people go through life without ever swinging.

[David]

So you don't want to get to your deathbed, sit there and be like, there's so much I could have done, but instead I chose to be gay. You don't want to do that.

[Top Lops]

I think this is a good point to leave these until next week.

[Clint]

Brogrove.com Guys anyway, share the show around. Make sure you pick up your phone and subscribe to dangerous RTRDs. Make sure you subscribe to Nephilim, Dust Squad, Liberty, Lockdown, Tower, Gang, Everything that we do. We appreciate you guys. We love you guys. We will catch you next week.

[Top Lops]

Goodbye.