011: White Guilt w/ Owen Benjamin - Dangerous RTRDs

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad Episode 011: "White Guilt w/ Owen Benjamin - Dangerous RTRDs" Summary

Introduction

In Episode 011 of Nephilim Death Squad, titled "White Guilt w/ Owen Benjamin - Dangerous RTRDs," hosts Top Lobsta Productions—comprising Top Lobsta, Clint Russell, and David—invite comedian Owen Benjamin to delve into a contentious incident involving racial tensions, media portrayal, and societal reactions. Released on May 3, 2025, this episode navigates through a maze of topics ranging from racial slurs and property rights to the challenges faced by modern comedians and the influence of conspiracy theories.

Main Incident Discussion: Racial Slurs and Property Rights

The episode kicks off with an intense discussion centered around a viral incident where a white woman called a Somali migrant a racial slur after he allegedly stole her son's bike—a reference to the notorious "White Guilt" narrative.

• Use of the N-Word:

  • Owen Benjamin (00:15): Criticizes the woman's use of the N-word, emphasizing that the issue lies in the theft, not the derogatory term.

    "You call him a nigger. The child. Did you call the child the nigger word? It is my own business." (00:15)

  • Clint Russell (01:15): Condemns the use of the term, labeling the offender not as a bad person but as "dumb" for being manipulated by societal constructs.

• Property Rights vs. Emotional Response:

  • Owen Benjamin (02:53): Argues that feelings are being prioritized over private property rights, asserting that the theft should be the focal point rather than the racial slur.

    "Feelings are more important than private property laws. Not on my watch." (02:53)

  • Clint Russell (05:19): Draws a parallel between verbal abuse and physical violence, suggesting that equating the two oversimplifies the complexities of racial dynamics.

Race Relations and Media Portrayal

The conversation shifts to the broader implications of media portrayal and societal reactions to incidents involving different racial groups.

• Disparate Reactions:

  • Clint Russell (04:35): Highlights the uneven responses when comparing the viral incident to cases involving NBA stars like Carmelo Anthony, where significant funds were raised in defense.

    "Half a million dollars to a kid who stabbed another white kid in the heart." (04:35)

  • Owen Benjamin (05:50): Emphasizes the difference in public perception and the impact of media framing on racial tensions.

• Media Manipulation and Algorithmic Influence:

  • Top Lobster (20:09): Raises concerns about the role of algorithms in amplifying racial conflicts by promoting sensationalist content.

    "It's like, if it bleeds, it leads, and therefore the algorithm knows that it gets clicks." (20:09)

  • Clint Russell (93:00): Suggests that orchestrated events are manipulated to fuel racial animosity, hindering nuanced conversations.

Stand-Up Comedy in the Modern Era

Owen Benjamin and the hosts delve into the evolving landscape of stand-up comedy, critiquing contemporary comedians and the influence of platforms like Joe Rogan's podcast.

• Challenges for Comedians:

  • Owen Benjamin (26:36): Discusses the difficulty of balancing humor with serious topics in today's highly sensitive environment.

    "Comedians are supposed to rip on each other. That's why I'll start ripping on a comic on Twitter." (26:36)

  • Clint Russell (29:05): Criticizes comedians like Tim Dillon for their approach to humor, labeling them as "lazy" despite their on-the-fly brilliance.

    "He could take those premises and turn them into unbelievable bits." (29:05)

• The Holy Fool Archetype:

  • Owen Benjamin (38:22): Introduces the concept of the "holy fool," an archetype embodying hidden wisdom despite eccentric behavior.

    "The holy fool archetype found in Russian folklore is a character who outwardly appears foolish or eccentric, but possesses a hidden spiritual wisdom." (38:22)

Conspiracy Theories and Societal Control

The episode explores various conspiracy theories, linking them to societal control mechanisms and psychological manipulation.

• Vaccine Schedule as MK Ultra:

  • Top Lobster (68:14): Claims the vaccine schedule is an arm of the MK Ultra program aimed at disassociating individuals for greater control.

    "I'm starting to really entertain this idea that the vaccine schedule is an arm of the MK Ultra program." (68:14)

  • Clint Russell (66:38): Echoes concerns about psychological control through vaccines, aligning it with broader conspiracy narratives.

• Telepathy Tapes and Ascension:

  • David (66:23): References research on Andrea Puharich and the concept of ascension through disassociation, suggesting a deliberate effort to detach individuals from their identities.

Impact of Social Media and Public Perception

The hosts discuss the detrimental effects of social media on public perception, race relations, and personal reputations.

• Algorithmic Amplification:

  • Clint Russell (91:24): Argues that social media algorithms prioritize sensational content, exacerbating racial tensions and minimizing nuanced discourse.

    "They cranked it up just like that." (91:24)

  • Top Lobster (103:56): Believes that events are manipulated to maintain public discord, preventing meaningful conversations about race relations.

• Personal Experiences and Mental Health:

  • Owen Benjamin (57:00): Shares a personal anecdote about his experience with a high-dose pot brownie, linking it to perceptions of mental health and reality.

    "I could pick this up on the beach. You know, I'm like, this isn't me." (70:06)

  • Clint Russell (43:21): Reflects on the anxiety associated with public speaking and the dichotomy of pleasing versus despising the audience.

Final Thoughts and Upcoming Events

As the episode nears its conclusion, the hosts and Owen Benjamin discuss upcoming events and the importance of supporting their platform amidst growing racial tensions and societal challenges.

• Bohemian Grove Event:

  • Clint Russell (86:20): Announces an upcoming event featuring Owen Benjamin and Sam Tripoli, emphasizing the need for immediate ticket purchases.

    "Clint, we're going to let you go, man, because I know you got to go to your stream, but appreciate you coming on, dude." (88:15)

  • Top Lobster (120:06): Urges listeners to purchase tickets quickly before they sell out.

    "They're going to move up. We just got the notification. They're actually all gone." (120:06)

• Subscription and Support:

  • Clint Russell (119:07): Encourages listeners to subscribe and support the podcast to help it grow.

    "Click the subscribe button. We need that to help with the algos." (119:07)

  • David (124:04): Promotes additional shows and interactions, highlighting the community aspect of their platform.

    "This is a one a one of a kind show. I'm just going to leave this here." (118:31)

Conclusion

Episode 011 of Nephilim Death Squad offers a provocative exploration of racial tensions, media influence, and the evolving challenges within the stand-up comedy scene. Through candid discussions and incisive critiques, hosts and guest Owen Benjamin dissect the intricate web of societal dynamics, urging listeners to critically evaluate the narratives presented to them. The episode serves as both a reflection on contemporary issues and a rallying call for support amidst growing polarization.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Owen Benjamin (02:53):

  "Feelings are more important than private property laws. Not on my watch."

• Clint Russell (05:19):

  "And as they say about turnabout, it's fair play. And therefore, what do we expect to happen?"

• Owen Benjamin (26:36):

  "Comedians are supposed to rip on each other. That's why I'll start ripping on a comic on Twitter."

• Clint Russell (91:24):

  "They cranked it up just like that."

• Owen Benjamin (38:22):

  "The holy fool archetype found in Russian folklore is a character who outwardly appears foolish or eccentric, but possesses a hidden spiritual wisdom."

This structured summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions and providing relevant quotes to convey the depth of the conversation.

Transcript

[Clint Russell]

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[Owen Benjamin]

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[Clint Russell]

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[Owen Benjamin]

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[Clint Russell]

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[Owen Benjamin]

You call him a nigger. The child. Did you call the child the nigger word? It is my own business. You call him a nigger. Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Why don't you have the boss to.

[Owen Benjamin]

Say it right now? Again. You okay? All right. That's what you say. Nobody digging to your. That little kid. You call him a. The little child. Are you about to hit him? You chase him here?

[Clint Russell]

He took my son's stuff.

[Owen Benjamin]

So you. So that gives you the right to call the child 5 year old and.

[Top Lobster]

Nigger the N word?

[Owen Benjamin]

That's what you're going to call him? You know, that's the hate speech. And you can be recorded for that. Huh? Okay, we'll see about that. What the Internet has to say about you.

[David]

This is dangerous.

[Clint Russell]

I'm not condemning these people. I'm not saying that they're bad people. I'm saying that they're dumb. Okay? You haven't figured out that you're being lied to by this machine yet. You're a idiot and I can't help you anymore.

[Top Lobster]

Aliens dollar collapse, demolishing of the deep state just because they've given you as a conspiracy theorist everything you've wanted. Don't go on a victory tour just yet. And strengthen your relationship with God.

[David]

I know that we're almost in World War 3. I just don't care. Any and everything above that is a disrespect to go.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm somebody that thought I could fix this.

[Clint Russell]

And I'm starting to think about having.

[Owen Benjamin]

To eat my neighbors.

[Clint Russell]

Ladies and gentlemen. We took a week off but we are back and it was worth the wait. We have Owen Benjamin in the building. We are live. This is dangerous. Retards. Thank you for joining us once again.

[Owen Benjamin]

Dude, that intro was awesome.

[David]

I knew. Yeah, I knew he'd vibe. You vibe with the Vivaldi. I mean, maybe you think he's a little gay?

[Owen Benjamin]

No, I vibed with all of it. I was getting pumped. But dropping a beat on Vivaldi is such a good call.

[Top Lobster]

Can I just say shout out to.

[Clint Russell]

Laney Dropping park though.

[David]

Like, what do we. Let's just go right into it because this is a. I think it's something that is taking America by storm. And a lot of people are hitting it from a lot of different angles. I'm interested in Owen's angle And, and then I'll tell you what I'm deriving from this whole story. But Owen, lay down the law, man. What the fuck is up with this video?

[Owen Benjamin]

It's one of the greatest days in my life. I woke up and I started seeing this and I was like, it's happening. And I have something to tell your listeners. In 1991, I had my bike stolen. And like every white American child has said at some point in their life, or even thought I said out loud, I said, that nigger stole my bike. And then for decades, people treated me like the bad guy, not the bike thief. So feelings are more important than private property laws. Not on my watch. That woman is a hero. She was stolen from. And the age has nothing to do with anything. Autism? Jeffrey Dahmer has autism. Is that now the standard? The issue is the theft, not the word. And five year old autistic is just another attempt at creating a ridiculous scenario to get you to break your American ethics and way of life. Don't steal like a nigger, okay? Age, mental capacity, or even skin color do not matter. The nigger stole the purse, the stole the bike. Deal with reality. And don't apologize like Joe Rogan for 200 million receipts of betrayal.

[Top Lobster]

I don't understand how you look before we even go to the Joe Rogan thing, it's, it's a wild thing to say 500 times and then apologize for it as if it was an accident every time. That's a strange move, but it's, it's not lost on me how low the bar for entry is into herodom. All you gotta do now is tell a little autistic nigger that he is one and suddenly you're what, into the tune of 200 something thousand? I'm not saying she doesn't deserve it more. Right, right, right. And that speaks to, I don't know, the state of things, does it?

[Clint Russell]

If we haven't pulled this episode from YouTube already, we really need to. This is a world record. Look, I think here's my concern. And while I appreciate Owen's delivery and it strikes me as a world class attorney about to get this lady off whatever hate crime charges she's going to face, obviously I think that the kid that stole was in the wrong. Her saying that to a child is probably not ideal. I think a civilization that makes someone a millionaire because they called that is probably not ideal. But at the same time, just a month ago, you ship a half a million dollars to a kid who stabbed another white kid in the, in the Heart. And it's like, well, this is turnabout. And as they say about turnabout, it's fair play. And therefore, what do we expect to happen?

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm going to have a lot of thoughts on this today, guys. So if I get a little, like, jumpy. All right, so comparing murdering a man with a knife to calling a thief a nigger is not fair play. Like, those are wildly different avenues. Like, listen, the black guy murders a young man. A single mom gets robbed and says a word. I mean, let's not get divided here. You know, it's ridiculous.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so let me.

[Clint Russell]

Let me clarify. I'm just talking about the fundraising aspect of it and people viewing it as a proxy for this race war. That's. That's what I'm talking.

[Owen Benjamin]

I get what you're saying.

[David]

There's a lot of, like, really fun things to pull from this. So you see, we're making almost like one to one comparison. Calling a black person a nigger is like, stabbing them in the heart.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's exactly. Oh, that's.

[Clint Russell]

That's actually exactly what it is.

[David]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David]

It's beautiful.

[Owen Benjamin]

And like, my life that there's one reason why I think I can rub people the wrong way sometimes. Like, I'm so.

[Clint Russell]

I've never noticed.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm, like, so out of that world that I. I view it differently. You know, it's like a single. A woman alone with a child, with a grown man, with a camera is crazy. So you have a. Because some people watch so much pornos and they're in cities, they don't understand how fucked up what they're watching is. So you have a grown foreigner, like a grown Somalian with a camera walking around with a woman alone with a baby. That's the problem. It doesn't matter what words are said. And that woman was very courageous to say that. And I like that she said, then don't act like a. Because having black skin doesn't make you a. It's the behavior. So it's like, behavior if you steal out of. And everyone knows this. Chris rock did it 30. I love black people.

[Top Lobster]

I hate.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know what A does? A steals your purse and says he's autistic. That's what A do. It's. Dude, it's. We. This is the issue I have. This is why I live in Idaho. It's because we all know this. And people play make believe for little shekels. And it's like, I homeschool my kids, and you can make them see anything having value like gold stars. Like gold stars is like Joe Rogan got 200 million gold stars and it's pathetic. So it's like the word nigger is not hate. Like, I gave scenarios six years ago when I was first kicked off Twitter where I said, what is worse? Saying, these niggers down the street are just like me. We both love barbecue and pickleball. Or African Americans should all be hung by the neck until they're dead. What's worse? And we all know the answer. And so then it's like, oh, hurt. No, no. What it is, if there was a diabolical plot behind it, which I think metaphysically would be in the spirit realm, because I don't think people can pull this off. It's to try and get people to think that private property rights are less important than someone's feelings around a word based on their moviegoing experiences.

[David]

Because.

[Top Lobster]

A little bit further, Owen, it's not just private property. It's also the follow up. Doxing has now put this woman in jeopardy. So. So essentially what's happened here is, is the Internet has collectively decided that this word is worthy of whatever comes with doxing. And whether that's physical violence or property damage or. Or harassment or death, all of those things are worth.

[David]

Didn't they decide that you said nyquil and it was, it was a different N word?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, no, I said. I said dayquil. And. And, And I got doxxed. My tweet went viral to the tune of 18 million. They called CPS on me and. And they doxxed me just for words. It's a fascinating dynamic that we live in because it's like somehow a lot of people are willing to entertain and if you push them on it, they'll. They'll deviate, but they're at least willing to entertain that words supersede violence. Violence is not as bad as saying. And that. That's.

[Owen Benjamin]

Did anyone ever come to your house or. Or did any blacks ever threaten you in person?

[Top Lobster]

No.

[Owen Benjamin]

No season. Me neither. Ever. And I'm like the guy, like the nigger guy?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because I've never been like, hey, you. You're like, it's an illusion, man. And a lot of people are not going to be able to. To handle this. I've been like, like, completely shamed and publicly all that, and, and no one ever does in person. Like, never. I was just with Jake Shields again and same thing happens to him. No one ever does it in real life. It's all in this illusionary Internet world. And I've had CPS come to my house and all that. And it's like, it's almost like these little demons use the government institutions and they, and they make people think. Like, right now, I bet a bunch of people are mad at blacks because they're like, oh, people with black skin are like mad at this poor woman and doxing her when it's. You'd never see any of that. Like, no one's ever seen a fucking meteor. You know? Like, think about how many people are living under the assumption that rocks fall from the sky and can kill all life. And there are gay babies.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that gay baby one is a real delusion.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's a real delusion that you're born gay. So a baby is like a gay baby.

[Top Lobster]

Hey, that's what I, I was talking about Kanye west, and I said, Kanye west isn't gay just because he said. Because there's no such thing as gay. Gay isn't like an evolutionary mechanism because it, what it does is it ends up terminating a species if you go that way. That way you dress.

[David]

You dress too flamboyantly to make this point.

[Top Lobster]

No, this is what I'm, I'm, I'm.

[Owen Benjamin]

Now I'm seeing red flags right now.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, no. What you're listening to is an expert in the field of gay.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm coming to you, gay. Dot, dot, dot. Next thing, it's like, hey, let's have eight beers in a hot tub. I've seen this before.

[Top Lobster]

The only thing that's wrong with eight beers and hot tub is people don't get out to piss. And I've learned that Raven doth protest too much.

[Owen Benjamin]

So anyway, go on. There's no such thing as gay. Go on.

[Top Lobster]

I'm just saying there's no such thing as gay because it doesn't serve any sort of biological function except for, you know, ejaculating. Right. So what I think it is, it's just degrees of sin. It's degrees of whispering in your ear. So the same thing that whispers in, in my ear, like, hey, go and eat an entire family size package of Oreos is the same thing that whispers in Kanye's ear. But it goes, suck your cousin.

[Owen Benjamin]

Suck your cousin's dick.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, suck your cousin.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, I, I totally agree with you, by the way. Yeah, I just don't think the craziest was in LA where like, hyper womanizer types ended up gay. And I saw that. I'm like, what were some of these guys that would just be out every night, like, and then you'd. And then you'd find out and people would be like, oh, I never knew they were gay this whole time. And then I started, like, theorizing, like, what if you can just. The hedonic treadmill just takes you to these strange places. You know, it's like, what is a hedonic?

[Top Lobster]

I'm retarded. I've never even heard the word hedonic. What does that mean?

[Owen Benjamin]

The hedonic treadmill is like. You know, it's like you. You're making 50 grand a year and it feels great, but then you need, like, a little more. So it's 65, and then you need more, and before you know it, you're worth 100 million. And you have to bang, like two sisters before sunset sober. And then you have to, like. You need. You have to, like, just keep escalating. And I saw that on the road, even in myself, where it wasn't like, you know, crazy. Like, I fortunately dodged so many bullets. But it would get to the point of like, you just had to keep escalating to have that same feeling. It's like, you know, if somebody gets a dependence on caffeine, five cups of coffee doesn't get you any energy anymore. It's like that with hedonism, you know.

[Clint Russell]

That'S like keeping up with the Joneses. Yeah.

[David]

Toad was like that. Toad, he has to have seven cups of coffee a day. And he came to my house and he decided, for whatever reason, he's gonna have zero. And he ended up vomiting on the lawn. This dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's so painful.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, he's totally retarded. Oh, God damn it. What were you. You were just talking about? Oh. Oh, yeah. All right, so Michael Porter Jr. He's the small forward for the Denver Nuggets. And he's talked about this how just a litany of NBA superstars who are on the road cheating on their wives, groupies for, you know, year in and year out, like hundreds per year, that there's this massive trend of them starting to date trannies. Like, they.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Clint Russell]

And this is not a one off. This is not just Dwight Howard. This is like a lot of NBA superstars.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Clint Russell]

And I think it's exactly what Owen's talking about. It's the hedonic treadmill that, like, I think there is a threshold by which you've had so much pussy, you start to desire dick. And that's the. That's the par. That's the perilous line that we so.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it's. It's not just about pussy or dick. It's about sin. So I would say, like, you know.

[Owen Benjamin]

I agree with you.

[Top Lobster]

Obviously, the right move is find a woman, be monogamous, raise children, have a family. And. And the. The up corroded or corrosive version of that is have sex with a higher. You know, so when. So when Myron Gaines or whatever his name is, is talking about, maybe it's not him, but there's. Maybe it's a Tate talking about having a hiram of women have sex with 50 women.

[Clint Russell]

That's.

[Top Lobster]

That's just that thing whispering in your ear, you need more drugs, you need more. You need more money. Now suddenly you need. It's whispering among those things. It's like, money, dick, drugs, you know, like, it's like.

[Owen Benjamin]

I know it sounds comedic, but, like, women's kind of gay too. Like, I know that.

[Top Lobster]

It's like.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, it's like when you're. When you're out hunting and you're out just trying to get quote unquote, that you're basically a gay guy looking for a vagina. And then it's like a jump, because the straightest thing you can do is marry. Launch inside every time, make children, like, crush everything out. Like, blow jobs are like, almost the ass. Oh, I know, I know, I know. You guys are gonna spiral. It happens. Oh, how dare you. Okay, well, wrong. It's like, are you gonna Someone's ear too? Is that fun? Yeah, like, there's no pleasure in someone's mouth. They eat with their mouth. You're looking at the top of their head. It might as well be a guy's head.

[David]

Oh. And I had. So I looked my wife right in the face, and this is. This is crazy. Say it on. On whatever. And I said, when I go down on you, do you think less of me? And I. I was paying attention. Like, I caught her off guard, completely off shot. And I looked at her and she gave me the quick falter. And I was like this. And it's like, she does because he does.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, dude.

[David]

Something inside the Sopranos were right.

[Owen Benjamin]

They talked about a nigger stealing a bike. And they talked about how, like, if you go down on a chick, you're like a pussy. Remember that whole episode?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. That's informed a lot of dudes.

[Owen Benjamin]

It informs you. You're like, not to be trusted. You know, it's like, if you're going down on chicks, you're like, you know, you're like a little. You know, you're gonna rat on the.

[Clint Russell]

Crew if liking blow jobs and going down on women is. Makes you questionable. I'm in a lot of trouble.

[David]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

So it's not like you're gay, but you're on the road to being gay.

[Top Lobster]

You're almost gay. And that's something I pick up about Clint. A lot, you know, about this. This. This whole scenario, right. With this woman in this park. One of the things that is really significant here is the. The idea that this guy is. I believe it's a Somali migrant.

[David]

Oh, right. Let me also say. Because I. So I made the point that. Right. Like, calling a black person a nigger is like a knife in the heart. Conversely, stealing, like, property whites to white people is the same thing.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, it is. Oh, yeah, it is.

[David]

Yeah. So we have to be like, they.

[Owen Benjamin]

Don'T have property rights in Somalia. They'll be like, oh, I want a coconut. Oh, like, they're animals over there.

[Top Lobster]

They.

[David]

You know, they don't even have a word for. Well, I don't know in Somalia, but in Africa. You sent me the video. They don't have a word for maintenance.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah.

[David]

In a lot of African languages. So, like, their shit's just falling apart because they can't even conceptualize the idea of maintaining something.

[Clint Russell]

And this. This is an African telling the story. And he's like. He's like, this is why when white people arrived, we considered them superior. Like, the whole concept of. Of what?

[David]

This is why I shit on Jamaica so. So readily. Like, I had a bad dream. I told David. I called him. I was in a fucking flop sweat. It was like three in the morning. Like, David had a bad dream. I was on a train in Jamaica. And he's like, train in Jamaica? So then I look up and I'm like, do they have trains in Jamaica? Good question. I used to build railroads. So I look, and there is, but it's decommissioned because they can't maintain it.

[Owen Benjamin]

Railroads.

[David]

The British built it.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

You built railroads? Yeah.

[David]

Yeah. I was a track worker for seven, eight years.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's epic. You got to talk more about, like, I wanted. I have, like, a thousand questions now.

[David]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

How much metal dust did you breathe in in the tunnels?

[David]

I'm going to die so young.

[Owen Benjamin]

Give me. Give me some gravy. On railroads.

[David]

Building a railroad in.

[Clint Russell]

Oh, Owen just admitted his autism. Railroads.

[Top Lobster]

There it is. Yeah.

[David]

Trains. It's like either trains for Toad. It's maps. How do you feel about topographical maps and globes?

[Owen Benjamin]

I don't like globes a lot, but I do like topographical maps.

[David]

See, here's the thing. I know you know, you think it's flat, right? And I think it's flat, too. I don't know how it's going to be laid out geographically, but if you see a globe, you don't just want to fucking give it a spin.

[Owen Benjamin]

No.

[Clint Russell]

Oh, interesting. You're the first, you're the first person we've talked to that.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it's a deep hatred.

[Owen Benjamin]

There was a time when I would. Now I don't, I don't like globes at all.

[Top Lobster]

It's been ruined for you.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, on the bottom of a lot of globes, it just says for educational purposes, not to scale. Like they legally have to do that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Clint Russell]

Oh, interesting.

[Top Lobster]

That basically just means this isn't real.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, I don't even, I don't know, like when the 24 hour something happened in Antarctica, I was the first to be like, oh, it turns out that model's not right. Like, I don't have emotional investment, so it could be something else that I can't even fathom. I just. From everything I've done in my life, the globe isn't real. But, I mean, that's why the Sherlock Holmes thing is bullshit. When it's like when you've eliminated everything possible, what remains, no matter how ridiculous, is true. It's like you can't fathom everything that's possible that's claiming divinity, you know, so that's why the flat Earth globe, Earth, binary. I don't, I don't engage with it now because it's like, isn't there other. Like, isn't there other options? There's. So there's no other possible options for the realm we live in than that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. My, my take on it is I'm an idiot. So I don't know. But perceivably, from my experience, doesn't seem to be moving, you know, millions of miles per hour through the. The universe doesn't seem to be spinning and doesn't seem to have any curvature. But that's just my own experience, my own perception. So beyond that, I'm like, I'm pretty open to whatever you got. I know NASA do be lying.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah. You got to rely on your own experience.

[David]

You know, the tracks. You want to know about the track.

[Clint Russell]

Before you do the trains. Let me just finish that story about Africa. So this guy, he, he says that the Africans, when they met the British, the French, the, you know, imperial forces, black people were the ones that came up with the term white supremacy because they, they realized people were so Superior. They were able to create, you know, roads and bridges and all these, all the water aquifers and all these things that they had never dreamt of. And then he also goes on to admit that, yes, they don't have a word for maintenance. So everything that is there, that is of any value is only basically a product of imperialism. And therefore, as soon as all of the imperial people are gone, it'll just degrade into oblivion.

[David]

I can't wait.

[Top Lobster]

That's what happened.

[David]

Eventually, I will be debating Luis J. Gomez on Jamaica on the idea of. I think the premise that I'm going to take is, is it even a real place? I've been there, set foot on it, but I don't think, I still don't think it's real.

[Clint Russell]

I got to add to your point too, about Jamaica. First thing I saw when I landed at the airport in Jamaica is just holes in the walls of the airport and there's no one to repair it. They just don't have the concept.

[David]

No, they're, they're there to repair it. They just don't or don't maintain. It's like, I'm trying to, like. So, like, you go through, I know we're all over the place, but you go through Jamaica and it's like you can see where the British were and the running water and the electricity that they've set up. And the Jamaicans have a hard time even keeping the electricity on. Like, it goes out in the resorts, in the high class resorts, but in the mountains you can tell they haven't figured out or, I don't know, developed a way to have plumbing, just plumbing, Plumbing. They just shit in a river.

[Clint Russell]

They don't, they don't even have road maintenance. So it's just, it's just these dirt roads. I went out to Bob Marley's grave site and we're driving in this bus and I you not the tires in certain parts of the road are hanging off the side. And I, I told my mom and my brother, I was like, this is the last time we go out in public transport in this country. Like, this is so dangerous. And sure enough, you'll see like in Guatemala and other countries, you'll just see like, oh, yeah, another bus fell off the, the side of the cliff. And it's like, well, it's not because the driver was driving dangerously. It's because they don't maintain the road.

[David]

It's an island full of like, it's, it's Guatemala, they're Spanish. But it's like it's the spirit of. Right. Like the spirit of like, just.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[David]

A little bit of effort. That's all I'm.

[Top Lobster]

It's not their skin color, it's their actions.

[David]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Dude, you want to hear a weird conspiracy? Well, I also have to ask you about train tracks. Did you ever have to factor in the curve of the earth?

[David]

So. No, it's like, it's New York City, so it was never like long, long distance, but it was like underground, all tight condition stuff. So like, just very dangerous. But no, never. No.

[Owen Benjamin]

So, like, one of the few groups of high functioning blacks were a tribe actually called Nigger.

[Top Lobster]

No, they owned it.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, it's true. They're out of Ethiopia. They were like, like the. I like. Because I see this everywhere now. When you see that response, it's usually an inversion covering the opposite. And so I think, like the one group of, like, noble African, you know, that had a word for maintenance, were actually called Niggers.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And then. And now we've taken it and we've. We've made it the inverse. Like so many things.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. But I don't even think it's conscious. I think it just happens. I think that that's just the nature of reality.

[David]

I feel.

[Clint Russell]

I feel like everyone has slept on the fact that the white lady yesterday, like, everyone's just caught up on the N word. The N word. She also turns to the Somali guy and she goes, dude, that was great.

[Top Lobster]

So that's what Owen was saying that, you know, good for her because she wasn't afraid, which is, like, tremendous, honestly. You're a single mother, You've got a child to protect. You're at a park. There's this childless Somalian dude, He's got a camera in your face. The balls on that lady. To be like, to double down and then do the thing to her was incredible.

[Owen Benjamin]

But they've had enough. Like, they've had enough. They've had enough anymore at all. I don't even think there's backlash. No, I literally don't. I think everyone agrees with the woman except for like, you know, that bitch at the New York Times was there, like, Barry Weiss.

[Top Lobster]

Well, what's. What's weird about this is this guy made a real attempt, it is very obvious, to socially shame her. Right. To manipulate her through. Through shame. And what's significant about that is all these other countries, even the third world countries, have been watching the decline of American culture and watching us freak out over words to the extent that they think they can come here and use that against us. And they have. I've seen videos where they've done that before. They've accused people of being racist because they're asking them, like, why are you walking around our town all the time? I remember watching this video where this guy was squatting in an abandoned church. He was also a Somalian migrant. And. And he's getting into an argument with this dude that's like, yeah, I live in this neighborhood. I see you and all these people coming and going in and out of this abandoned church. This is bad. You guys got to go. And he starts accusing him of being racist. So these people actually do have this idea outside of the country that they can come to America and they can sort of manipulate us.

[Owen Benjamin]

And I suppose I warned people of this eight years ago. I was like, right now they're like, we saw what you did to Owen Benjamin. He was a very good comedian. And you pretended a word was bad. So now I will rape your butt.

[Top Lobster]

Well, that's it. Yeah, that's it. I mean, it's true.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, I. When people think I'm, like, whining or bitching, I'm not. Like, I live in literal paradise. Like, my life couldn't have turned out better. I'm just like, remember when I went through all this before and I told you guys that, like, wealth comes from trust and honor culture? And if you don't have that, like, if people don't call out stolen jokes or stolen diaper bags, you don't. You're not rich anymore. Like, it's called a bank. And trust, like, you have to have the trust in order to have the wealth. And it's like, so when people start promoting each other based on nepotism and. And politicking, I said in comedy all the time, like, how good of friends are you with Joe Rogan? Is how funny you are. It's like, okay, well, now no one likes stand up anymore. Really? Like, I was talking to you guys about that. It's like, it's like, you look on Netflix. I don't want to watch stand up. I became a stand up comedian because I love stand up so much. No one. People are starting to be like, this is fucking terrible. I'm like, it didn't have to be terrible. It just became, like, dishonorable, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David]

Let me ask you this, because now this is. I don't even care if I ruffle any feathers. Like, but so I was watching Netflix and I said, oh, Tim Dillon is on. Let me put Tim.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because Tim Dillon, he's a funny podcaster. Yeah.

[David]

But what the is that? Because I listen to it and I'm. I'm engaging my wife as well, and I'm like, maybe she'll. Because I know my sense of humor is like, I am just. I'm in the gutter. So, like, it's hard to make me laugh. And I'm looking at my wife and she doesn't even crack a smile, really. And I'm like, what the fuck was this?

[Clint Russell]

Like, top came over to my place yesterday because we were, like, laying out the new studio, and he starts to talk to me about it. And I said the same thing. I was like, I saw Tim Dillon perform in San Diego probably five years ago, and I'm a huge, huge fan of his podcast. His ad lib capacity and his rants, I think, are some of the best in the podcast world. His standup is just marginal, and that's just the reality. And I. It is interesting because it's such a. It's such a different talent. But he is. He is so good at podcasting. He's going to sell out at every. You know.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And then just ruin stand up. Like now, like, doing Brohemian Grove. I'm pumped about it, but I'm also thinking, like, you almost have to retrain people. What stand up is. Because it's gotten so weird and bad that it. I don't know, man. It's. It's a weird time for stand up. It's like. And it did not used to be like that. Not to sound like a boomer, but like. Like, you know how I'll just, like, rip on someone and they. And they act like I'm raping them. That. That didn't used to be like that. I. I used to tour with Jimmy Fallon, and before that I sang a song about how I wanted him to get full blown African AIDS and no one cared. Like, dude, I watched Zach Galvanakis, like, spiraling about how much Adam Sandler sucks and everyone's just dying laughing. And it's like, dude, comedians are supposed to rip on each other. That's why, like, I'll start ripping on it on a comic on Twitter. And they're like, oh, don't even address Owen Benjamin. He's. He's gone mad. Don't you know? I'm like, dude, you're a comedian. I just called you a homo. Like, what do you say back? That's why I get along with UFC guys more, because they understand it's about, like, people pay you to fight people. And, like, we're really good at quick insults. And that's our job. And you'll see these comics be like, oh, no, he's. He's just jealous of a fat gay guy. So I'm jealous of Tim Dillon, a diabetic dick sucker? Are you out of your mind?

[David]

Alleged. Alleged. I think he's lying.

[Owen Benjamin]

I think he's a closet straight. I'm not even kidding.

[Top Lobster]

Let's not forget.

[Owen Benjamin]

Where to? God, I don't even think he's gay.

[Top Lobster]

Hey, who's that? That bit that he did? Megan. What's her name? The. From the View, Some of Tim Dillon's greatest.

[Clint Russell]

Megan McCain.

[Top Lobster]

No, I mean, when he did the Megan McCain thing. That was incredible. I gotta give him that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Some of his friends are hysterical. Like, he's one of the only comics I'll ever, like, tweet out his videos because they actually make me laugh. Like a few of his, like, when he's making fun of Eric Weinstein. But that's. That's what I mean. You make fun of people. That's our job.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, it's like you make fun and then the guy either takes it like a man or hits you back. No one acts. Acting like you're getting raped is one step away from the Somalian guy.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, like, I'll like that. I saw that with Dave Smith. I know you guys love Dave Smith, but, like, when I was going to bring it up. Yeah, they act like politicians. They're like. They're like. And now with the Jew stuff and Ian Carroll and all that, I'm like, dude, be funny. Like, at no point did he call Douglas Murray where it's like, well, Douglas, you seem like you're an expert at chugging hammer, right? It's like, right?

[David]

Big laughs.

[Owen Benjamin]

Big laughs, right? Because they're like, you're a comedian. I'm like, no, he's not. He's not even a fucking comedian.

[David]

I thank you. Thank you for saying that. Because this fucking faggot looked Dave right in the face and he was like, you are the bisexuals of the political realm. And I'm like, yo, fucking kill this faggot.

[Owen Benjamin]

Actually kill. For those of you with ptsd.

[David]

No, no, literally, go to his house.

[Top Lobster]

Go to his house in Los Angeles and kill him.

[Owen Benjamin]

Call him a spear sipper. Call him a hammerhogger. You know, it's like, just like, funny. Like.

[Clint Russell]

Like, I got to make a little bit of a heady point. I know we try to avoid those, but it actually the. The Rogan orbit of those comics that are all now Netflix, you know, spiraling and the idw, the intellectual dark web, it reminds me of the same.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, I know. They put me in it and then they kicked me out.

[Clint Russell]

That was actually ultimately a good thing. But I just want to point out the similarities there is that the entire idw, they all came to prominence because they were talking about free speech and not having compelled speech and going against woke. And then now they're all the gatekeepers that are saying, we have to. Now we have to have guardrails. Obviously, it's like, well, you. You were fine when there was. You didn't want there to be guardrails when you wanted it. Now you're in. You want guardrails. This is just classic bullshit. It's actually very. It's actually very similar with the Rogan Orbit. If you remember back in, you know, 14, 15, 16, 17, on. On the Joe Rogan experience, he's having all these comics on and they're talking about cancel culture and how fucking irritating it is and blah, blah, blah. And now, like, David has even admitted, like, the primary thing that Rogan. The instructions basically, that Rogan gave Dave was, I want to keep this civil. And Dave, being, you know, friends with Rogan, but also respecting the power that his platform provides him was like, I'm going to honor that. So he, he, he turned off the comic if a game.

[Owen Benjamin]

Funny in a long time, though, if he wants to turn that off to be one of Rogan's bitches. Like, okay, and I know, and I'm sorry if that does ruffle some feathers, but it's like, it's like, okay, that's the deal. You get to be with the devil. And, you know, if you do that. And it's like. But now you're like, nonsense. You're like a nonsense person, you know, irresponsible.

[David]

Right, Because I think we talked about last time you were on. It's like, well, what's your fucking job? What's your. If you're.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, what's your job? You were building railroads. You know that, like, that's why me teaching piano has been so cathartic, because I'm like, so nice. And people are like, dude, your piano lessons are so, like, civil. I'm like, yeah, because I'm a piano teacher. Comedian is not civil. Like, you can't be civil. And a comedian. That's like, if Joe Rogan was like, hey, Dave Smith, you're like a gay prostitute now. Try not to be too, like, horny or sexual.

[Clint Russell]

I think.

[Owen Benjamin]

I think it's like, your job is to blow guys Dave Smith. So do it.

[Clint Russell]

Theoretically, being. Being the resident guy who professionally blows Dave Smith. Let me defend him for a second.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, I get. I get it. He's now replied Clint Caa. I get it.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, yeah. But let me. Let me just point out, I'm not like, I don't know.

[Owen Benjamin]

I respect it. I respect that you guys do this. I respect him all you want.

[David]

The problem is he's. Because he is fucking funny.

[Clint Russell]

I know, I know. But this is the point I'm trying to make, is that the Douglas Murray put him in awkward position, too. Because basically what he's saying is when you. When you lose a debate, which Dave never does this, but he was. He was accusing him of it, is that you shift from, oh, I'm a guy who talks about geopolitics and all this other shit, and then, oh, I'm just a comic. You can't take me seriously. So because he puts him in that position, Dave is clicked into serious mode because he wants to devour this guy on the merits of his art.

[Owen Benjamin]

Okay, but why not, you guys? Jews do that when they switch from being Jews to white based on who they're crowdfunding from. Right? Funny. Poignant. Right? Bang. That's funny. That's poignant. Why not make that point? Because Dave's also a Jew, So now the face of, like, Jew criticisms is, like, an urbanite Jew. It's like, that's the joke. The joke is Dave Smith. Like, he's like the New York City, like, swanky fucking jewelry. And now everyone's like, oh, he's the face of anti Semitism. I'm like, that's. That's, like, me, the face of dwarfism, you know? Hilarious, dude.

[David]

It does feel. It feels an awful lot. And again, so I like Dave, but it feels an awful lot less.

[Owen Benjamin]

And we all. I still, like, date. Like, I, deep down like Dave. You know, it's like, I, like, date. Like, I've. I've had some great times with that guy. My. My wife and his wife used to, like, comment on each other's Instagrams. And. And then I think Rogan, this is. My theory was like, you can't talk to that guy anymore. That's the only thing that. That makes sense, because we got along great. And then he, like, literally wouldn't ever bring up, like, he would act like things were happening for the first time. And I'm like, dave, you watched me do that five years ago for, like, a year. And then, like, silence. But yet he'll respond to, like, you know, Hitler 69 boy or something. And I'm like, you can't respond to me, man. Well, you ain't funny anymore.

[Top Lobster]

Is it a mistake to. To be a comedian, but then to put yourself in a position where now you're talking geopolitics and you're also debating people? Because that thing is going to come up, right? You're going to go, well, look, man, I tell dick jokes on stage for a living. Don't take me so serious. What's that?

[Owen Benjamin]

You remember that unfrozen caveman lawyer? Listen, I'm just a caveman. That SNL sketch from like 25 years ago, it was Phil Hartman dressed like a caveman. He's like. And he's a warrior. He's like. He was like, in ice for 5, 000 years. He's like, listen, I'm just a caveman. Your lights frighten me. What are they, son? Is it a sun in the room? But one thing I do know is your client. My client deserves $3 million. You know, the whole thing was like, yeah, I'm just a comedian. I like to talk about my dick and strangers. But one thing I do know is that Gaza is a human rights. You know, like, that is. I get that, but it's like, yeah, jester's privilege. I want, I want. I thought about that a lot. Like, do I have the right to go after trans kids or am I a clown? It's a. Now that's the debate. You know, that's an interesting conversation.

[Top Lobster]

I have that conversation with myself right now where I'm like, you know, we're. We delve heavily into Christianity and I do believe in Jesus Christ. Spiritual realm. What's that top.

[David]

Got an email today about it. Someone said, I, I. Your show's great. I listen to these other. There's a lot of other Christian podcasts that I guess we're in the realm of that, but they don't with us. And she's like, but you say nigger way too much. And I just. That's in good conscience cannot listen.

[Clint Russell]

I was like, I feel like you guys do.

[David]

I can't help myself.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I, I asked myself that question, though, where I'm like, what am I exactly? Because I do believe in these things, but also I seem to be a clown, and I, I rather enjoy it. It brings me a lot of satisfaction. And I. That's just naturally how I engage with people.

[Clint Russell]

I don't. I don't like this premise at all. This is straight Douglas Murray garbage. This is basically saying, like, you can't be both.

[Top Lobster]

Did you just reject my premise?

[Clint Russell]

I reject. I reject your.

[Owen Benjamin]

In fact, are we rejecting premises? What the.

[Clint Russell]

This is. This is not even an argument, actually.

[Owen Benjamin]

Actually, it's called being a holy fool.

[Clint Russell]

Interesting.

[Owen Benjamin]

There's, like, a whole thing about it, dude. There's like a whole archetype called the holy fool.

[David]

I just want to know about that.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, I do. I want. I want you to elaborate, but I just want to make the point that I think comics are some of the last honest people in this country, if not on the planet. And I would. I would be worse off if comedians didn't engage in serious topics from time to time. I also think some of the. The most cutting, brilliant humor is right on the fault lines of the culture war. And the comics that. That are willing to go there are the ones that I respect. The ones that aren't willing to go there are the ones I don't respect and I usually don't find funny. So I just totally reject this premise that you can't do both or that you shouldn't do both. And I think that, you know, Owen's success, Dave's success, even Tim Dillon success are all a product, and Rogan's success are a product of a willingness to do both and to do it at a high level and to do it successfully. So I. I think that it's been a positive.

[Owen Benjamin]

I disagree more. I think the comedians these days are more fraudulent and full of than, like, Leonardo DiCaprio, because at least he says he's an actor. You know, Joe Rogan apologizing for saying the word on CNN was like, dude, DiCaprio said it a thousand times in Django Unchained. It was great banger, right, dude? The holy cool archetype found in Russian folklore is a character who outwardly appears foolish or eccentric, but possesses a hidden spiritual wisdom and the ability to see truths other others miss. They're often social outcasts, yet they are revered for their unconventional behavior and their willingness to speak truth to power. It's the holy fool. And in Russian Orthodoxy, it's actually seen as, like, very Christian.

[Clint Russell]

All right, well, then set Rogan aside. You don't think that Tim Dillon serves a good holy fool role?

[Owen Benjamin]

I think he's a heterosexual in the closet.

[Clint Russell]

Okay, but that's his role.

[Top Lobster]

If he's doing that to. I. I don't know.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, I think. I think he actually is the. Like, I think he's doing a good job, actually. Like, honestly, I think, like, Tim Dylan actually does talk. Like, when he was on Rogan, and he was about to start. It was just like, ripping on the guy with the cult, Jared Leto. And Rogan was gatekeeping him. He was like, oh, no, Jared Leto is a great guy. He's just like, hangs out with people. It's not a cult. And yeah, so I have a. Apparently I have a cult because I have a podcast, but Jared Leto, literally in white robes. Everyone in the world on an island is not a cult, according to Rogan. And Tim, I could tell, like, kept wanting to hit it, and I was like, good for him. That means he's not just like a senator, you know, he's like, yeah, Jared Leto's a. In a cult. Like, fact.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, make fun of him too. Which is nice, you know?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

[David]

Tim will give you that, right?

[Owen Benjamin]

Where, like, I like him, Dylan.

[David]

I. I do, I do. He'll tell him, like, don't. Don't do that. And he'll still touch it. He'll touch it a little bit.

[Clint Russell]

But then.

[David]

So then what's the disconnect with the comedy? Because he's. He's clearly giving us.

[Clint Russell]

I think he's lazy.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, he's lazy. Stand up is, like, really difficult.

[Top Lobster]

That's what I just said. Yeah, I know.

[Clint Russell]

I'm not. I'm not bullshitting. I think. I think Tim Dillon's extraordinarily lazy. I mean, you can just look at his physique and decide that being if.

[Owen Benjamin]

He is bisexual, that's the laziest you can be. You're like, I will. Anything that. That, like, is easy.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David]

Here's the thing, though.

[Owen Benjamin]

He.

[David]

He understands these, like, premises, these cutting edge premises, but he doesn't bring it to the stage. You can create a joke based off of, like, a lot of the things that he says in his podcast.

[Clint Russell]

This is how I know he's lazy, is because on the fly, like, literally, this is how I envision his process. He gets in his car, he's thinking about the fucked up shit that he read on the Internet. He drives to the studio, he gets in there, he rips for an hour into every topic. He finds the funniest angle. But then as soon as that's over, he's done, he shuts it off. He goes back to eating and fucking food and whatever the closest hole is. But if he was a serious, like, performer in a comic, I think he could. He could take those premises and turn them into unbelievable bits, and he could probably be the funniest comic in America because he's that brilliant on the fly. So that Tells me he's lazy.

[Owen Benjamin]

But there is a natural element of standup that, okay, like if he's with his camera and he's there and he can feel comfortable to rant. One thing that happens in stand up is when you're in a room full of people and you're getting micro reactions all the time that there's. Most people can't ever deal with that. So, like, let's say you have a great premise and you're on stage and you've worked on it and you've done all this stuff and then, you know, someone coughs or someone says something out loud or like you're just, you're just perceiving human beings watching you. And it's one of the craziest fucking feelings. And I don't know, it's like, it requires like a natural disposition to be able to shut off from that and like a lot of experience. And I just don't think he has that. I don't think a lot of these comics have that.

[Clint Russell]

They found such, such rapid success too because of their relationships that like, they didn't. I don't. I feel like Tim Dillon didn't go through the fire quite the way some of some other comics have.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Top Lobster]

I've done Stand up twice and it was both times the most horrifying shit I've ever done in my life. It was, it was like. It wasn't the actual act of getting on stage as much as it was approaching the stage, driving to the venue.

[Clint Russell]

Like, getting ready to do the anticipatory anxiety for public speaking. People. People, because they, they've, you know, followed my podcast for years, they assume that like, public speaking to me is. Comes naturally and like, once I'm in it, I do a pretty good job. But in terms of like the approach the day of the night before, it is hell for me. It is like the worst experience of my life. And as soon as I'm done, I'm thrilled. But like, nobody can even, like all of the fans of Liberty Lockdown, none of them can even recognize the anxiety that I'm dealing with. It's just, it's just a fascinating, basically perception anxiety, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like a real comic has to have simultaneously a never ending desire to please the audience and absolute disdain for the audience. And it's funny because I, that's why we're outcasts. Like, I have that with like Clint, like, look what just happened with me. And I'm like, couldn't disagree more that. But deep down I'm like, I hope Clint likes me. Right. So it's like. It's like that with the audience.

[Clint Russell]

You found the balance. I. I do so.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Because.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because you, like, on stage, you have to be like. Like them. They have no right to judge me, and I will do everything in my power to give them a great feeling and like, you know, and that. That it's so contradictory that many times it can really affect people's lives, like a lot, like a marriage or friendships or anything, because you have to have, like, love and disdain for the things that are important in your life and then. But once you're conscious of it and aware of it, it's kind of funny actually how you. It's like turn it on and off.

[Clint Russell]

It's like the Jordan Peterson always brings up that souls and it's in line, you know, running straight through the heart of all men. It's kind of the same thing. It's like disdain on one side and ultimate desire to please on the other. I do think. I think that's totally true, that balance. It's actually. I think what makes Top very good at podcasting is like, he's. He very much wants to have an audience, but he's also, like, absolutely vicious towards the fans.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Yeah. And that's like. That's the most entertaining because in the end of the day, you don't want. You don't want someone like us to kiss your ass or else it won't. You. You think you do it first, and then it would suck. And at the same time, you also don't want someone that actually hates his audience. You know, you want that Combination is just rare.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's a narrow road to.

[Clint Russell]

To walk. I gotta. I gotta. Just a brief story. When I. It was 20. 22. Was it when we went to Vegas Gangs Fest?

[David]

22 or 23? I don't remember.

[Clint Russell]

I think it might have been 22. Maybe it was 23, but whatever. Dave brings me into the green room, and it's Tim Dillon, Ari Shafir, like, all the headliners are back there. Lewis and like, Tim Dillon is obviously perturbed that a normie has been allowed in the green room. He doesn't like me at all. I'm the only one in the. It's not like a, you know, a list comic. And Ari Shafir obviously is, like, pissed that I'm there. Like, mad mad.

[Owen Benjamin]

Why? He's like, I can't drug and finger this guy with the fuck.

[Clint Russell]

Exactly. But I just remember this. Like, it's those. It's those experiences that make you feel like a total depth of knowledge of what the character of these guys are. And then Dan Soder, who's sitting in the back, has a 45 minute conversation with me about, he's a nice guy.

[David]

He's awesome.

[Clint Russell]

Just an awesome human.

[Owen Benjamin]

He has a warm glow about him because he's tall.

[David]

Like, he's like. When I was. Yeah, I was talking with him too, at the mer stand, and I'm like, he's just too tall to care about what other people think of him. I think that's the air that I got from. I was like, this guy, this guy.

[Owen Benjamin]

And I think, like, really giant dudes typically have a bigger capacity for love. And I know that I'm huge. I get it. But it's like. And. But it's true. We just kind of like, we just can love. We have big hearts.

[Top Lobster]

I feel like it's easier to breathe up there. Like, there's more room. You know what I mean?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. You're never like, plotting against people. You're never like, daryl's really up to something because he's huge. I want to like that guy. So tall, but he's so full of.

[Top Lobster]

In my opinion, very, very suspicious gay.

[David]

Did you know he stole our research? Did you guys know that?

[Clint Russell]

That's true.

[Top Lobster]

That's absolutely true, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

He never gives credit to anybody. And he's always trying to keep people away from the word.

[Top Lobster]

What is he today?

[Owen Benjamin]

He's like, this is exactly what we want, what blackrock wants. I'm like, what? So someone steals a purse and we can't say, let me guess. We have to watch all your videos that are monetized to find the truth.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's so full of shit, man. He's like, to find out more about BlackRock, I'm like, you mean Nigger Rack?

[Top Lobster]

Let me ask you something right now. Everybody on this. If Kanye west came out right now and he asked any of you guys to do content with him, would you do content right now with Kanye?

[Owen Benjamin]

I would. Dude, he already did ask me. And I wouldn't go to la.

[Top Lobster]

I'm like, why not? Why wouldn't you do Kanye with. With? Or why wouldn't you do content with Kanye Owen?

[Owen Benjamin]

Because he's like, there's like fruit in his boots. I mean, I'm always, like, happy. I was, like, happy for him. And I. Part of me really likes Kanye, but I'm like, he's just got the twinkle and I just. I just don't want to be around. I don't like celebrities that are like, really unstable and it just.

[Clint Russell]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

I just find it so annoying. No, he wanted me to go shoot sketches in LA before. And I'm like, I have to milk goats. And he thought I was, like, joking. And I'm like, I'm not. I have to milk goats. Like, you guys is fucking. Bohemian Grove is the first show I have done outside of my own on my land in six years, dude. Like, I've been asked to do a couple theaters and clubs, and I'm. I like, think about it and then I'm like, no, because I just know. I just like being around a bunch of, like. I don't know. I just don't have any interest. I. But you guys, I like you guys, so I'm like, I want to hang out.

[Top Lobster]

My question why Owen? Why us?

[David]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because I like you guys.

[David]

I don't believe you.

[Owen Benjamin]

I think we'd have a good time. And it just sounds like an event. Like, you guys are like living people, you know, it's like. It's not like, okay, so this is the brand and this is the. It's like an adventure. It's like, oh, there's a college and a. You know, it just sounds, like, intriguing to me. And you guys, like, just every time I riff with you guys, like, my audience, a lot of my audience is very, you know, they're. They're like, not into degeneracy and they enjoy Tower Gang. They're like, those are some lovable degenerates.

[David]

You know, here's the thing. Like, the truth about towering. There's only one of us that's degenerate and he's on his way out. But, like, we.

[Owen Benjamin]

What's going on?

[David]

No, no, Jose. You're on thin ice. But like, like, all of us in real life, like, David, he's like, part of Tower Gang. He's a guy that sits in all the time. Clint. Very, like, good dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

You guys are dudes.

[David]

Cole is kind of shifty, but like, dude.

[Clint Russell]

And we don't really live degenerate lifestyle. We just talk like degenerates.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. I say crazy shit, but, like, I don't do anything. I'm a very boring life. I just hang out with my wife and my son. Like, I don't do anything.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And people feel that. It's like you can feel when someone, like, I know people that want what that say, like, gosh darn and stuff. And I get a feeling like they do meth off a. You know.

[Clint Russell]

Exactly. You beat the out your kids when you get home.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like, I Feel. I like that instinct.

[Top Lobster]

The gayness of Tower Gang is. Is why I love it so much, is. It's the same gayness of hanging out with your homies when you were like, a teenager.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Top Lobster]

And it's like, you weren't trying to blow your homies unless you were Kanye and he was your cousin. But, like, you know, there was this. This thing. I. I don't know.

[Owen Benjamin]

It was the cousin BJ thing, man. I just can't look.

[Clint Russell]

What's.

[Top Lobster]

What is that? I know, you guys, he blew his cousin seven years.

[Owen Benjamin]

He started grooming him at six.

[Top Lobster]

What is the.

[David]

Okay, I blew his cousin for a dog year.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. He was like, showing pornos to a six year old and then, like, blew him for years.

[Top Lobster]

And people don't know how old Kanye was. Showed the pornos. Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Older than six.

[Top Lobster]

What's the disparagement? Like, what's the age difference there? I don't know. He didn't. He kept that under wraps. And I think that's how a good storyteller does things, is you leave an element of.

[Clint Russell]

I hope it was within a year, dude. I hope he wasn't like four years older. That'd be insane.

[David]

I hope it's not true. I hope it's all performative. Because if it's performative, it's the most brilliant thing ever.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, what?

[Top Lobster]

He.

[David]

His arc of, like, Jesus is king. That album slapped all the way to, like, my wife is a prostitute and I'm walking her naked through the streets of Paris to whatever he's doing now to me, if I can just detach myself from it. If this is an act, it's the greatest act ever told. And he's doing it on a huge thing. But I. I think.

[Clint Russell]

I don't think it's enough.

[Owen Benjamin]

I don't think it's cousin.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

You know why I like that?

[Clint Russell]

Hold on. He's got. He's got. He's got two tracks on this. On this album. One of them, he's like, heil Hitler.

[David]

You know?

[Clint Russell]

And then the next one is I Blew My Cousin for seven Years.

[David]

The name of the album is I.

[Top Lobster]

Suck My Cousin's Dick.

[Owen Benjamin]

I Suck My Cousin's Dick.

[Top Lobster]

You know, here's why I like that. He sucked his cousin's dick. The reason I like it is because it takes. You know, I'm only. I've only got a tiptoe in this world.

[Owen Benjamin]

You got more in the toe right now. Keep going.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, no. That's in the gay. In the gay thing. I'm a waist deep, but in the realm of recognizability, I'm. I'm a fraction of a toe deep. And I recognize that as soon as you become somebody, you get a target on your back. Everybody wants to come for you. Everybody speculates this, that, and the other thing, and they will tear you the down. It is unbelievable to me to watch a man dig in his own heart, find the most vulnerable thing that everyone will kill him for and go here. And he throws it at people. And I go kind of like, you.

[David]

Know, you know, at the park are going to be blasting these songs. It's crazy. I. I don't.

[Owen Benjamin]

Cousin in prison right now is like getting stabbed.

[Top Lobster]

Getting stabbed a lot.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And he's like, and then he killed a pregnant woman because he wouldn't suck his dick anymore. I'm like, dude, and then he sucked.

[Top Lobster]

A mean dick and.

[Owen Benjamin]

And I could tell he doesn't really understand straight people that much because he's like. When he was like blasting Kim about like an NBA guy, memories, like, yeah, Kim. How about when you. I don't even know any NBA players. Michael Jordan. I don't know. Like, I haven't watched that in so long.

[Top Lobster]

But you like, say, Josh Morgan, Michael Jordan.

[David]

I got a confession to make. Oh. And I've been buying used nickel Jordan shoes, and I just can't stop.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's all right. Everyone's got their thing. I like fizzies. I like.

[Top Lobster]

I've been buying Pokemon cards.

[David]

You like Lacroix?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, dude, I. I drink. I'm not kidding. I drink like 10 a day. Dude, me too.

[Top Lobster]

I. I buy the case and I finish the case in one day.

[Owen Benjamin]

Dude. I. I'm like, onto other types of fizzy, like, because I just like bubbly cans. So, like, no sugar, no alcohol. I'm fine. No problem. I like, I like the ritual of just pounding cans of bubbles.

[Top Lobster]

I like the. The cherry lime and the limoncello. Those are my two favorite ones.

[Owen Benjamin]

Just to finish that one thing about Kanye when he was like, yeah, she's not. This is gonna really embarrass her. I'm like, no, like, it's you. Like, so your wife a guy. And you're like, using that to disser. I'm like, that's like gay thinking.

[David]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, because it means you're like. You imagine if I was like, man, I can't wait to get back at my wife. Did you know the whole time she was fucking Cottington? What? You know what I mean? It'd be like dude, like, and so it would be like little moments like that. It's also like gay dudes usually like, like Red Bar brought this up. Red bar's hysterical. He brought up talk about a comedian. That guy just makes fun of people in a really high level way. Like he did this whole bit about instead of yay Y E, it's GE gay. And they did this sound effect. It's, it's very funny.

[Top Lobster]

It's very funny.

[Owen Benjamin]

But how gay guys always like, like Angelina Jolie, you know, it's like the, like the chick that everyone thinks, like, like the one that's held up is being hot. They're like, I want her. And a straight guy is like, no, it's the chick at Outback Steakhouse. Like, we don't, you know what I mean? We don't like celebrities.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David]

Girl at Aldi's is hotter than whatever they're showing us. They're also showing us a lot of these with the eyes like separated from their head. There's something, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

About I've been saying what it is, is, it's, it's victimhood culture. Predators eyes are on the front, they're forward facing eyes. Women have embodied victimhood culture to the extent that their eyes are beginning to shift to mimic prey animals. So they're always looking for danger. I, I, I think that's what's going on and they're normalizing it. Hollywood is giving us wide eyed left and right.

[Owen Benjamin]

I think behavior legit is like, I think physiognomy is so true, it's insane. Now I think cheating and sneaking literally gives you a big nose.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not, I used to think that you couldn't judge a book by its cover. And now I go, absolutely, you can. It's, it's actually incredibly reliable.

[Clint Russell]

I never believed in physiognomy until Rabbi Schmooley came on the scene. And I was like, no, I was wrong.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. No. It's also about where you start to where you end up. You know, it's like, it's like, does your face change over the years? It's one thing if you're born looking a certain way, but your face starts changing based on like how you act and think.

[Top Lobster]

I think so, yeah. I think like an evil kind of like, you know, so you get like a sunken head. It, the posture becomes like hunchback and your face becomes scrunched. And those people typically like that. That kind of, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's the hand, but it, I.

[Clint Russell]

Think also the Physiognomy, the swollen, like the swollen face or the swelling face is like a product of usually alcoholism. And that's a product of, of you know, degenerate behavior that you're like guilty over and then. So I do think that there is something to your physical appearance being reflective of your internal workings.

[Owen Benjamin]

How do your eyes shift like that from just like behavior, you know?

[Clint Russell]

Well, I think that's just from the vaccine schedule, personally.

[David]

So what do you guys, what do you think about Russell Brand? Has his face changed at all? Has he raped these people?

[Clint Russell]

I mean, I'd be shocked if he didn't. Like, if sexual assault is grabbing some chick's ass while you're on set, I'd be shocked if Russell Brand hasn't done that. If, if he, if he has actually like violently raped one of these women, I would be surprised.

[Top Lobster]

He's doing like fucking poppers and you know, going to these big gay part. Like he was a sexual icon during the height of his Hollywood career and you know what sort of behavior that begets. He's, he's balls deep. When you think about debaucherous behavior and fucked up parties, elites are in, it's him, he's in those. I, I'm not surprised at any of this.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Clint Russell]

So you think, you think he's a full on rape rapist?

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, I don't know like what rape, rape means. You know, it's like, do you hold a gun to someone's head or like, what is that? You know what I mean? Yeah, I think those guys, I think those guys are like, if you're around me, that's like consent and everyone's all the time. I don't think he's like, yeah, I doubt he like punched someone in the face and you know, but I, I think that, I just think that those environments, it's like, I'm almost like a feminist now. I'm like, it's kind of all rape.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I would say so. If he's a rapist. I agree with Owen. I don't think Russell Brand is power bombing and, and blasting him in the ass. But what I do think is happening is it's a constant revolving door of questionable scenarios. Right. And, and that is, and all of.

[Owen Benjamin]

Them do that and that's why they're just pulling these up because they, they don't like them for, you know, for whatever reason.

[Top Lobster]

That's what it is. Yeah. They've decided to hang him out to dry for one reason or another. And I'm sorry, I know we're on the Russell Brand thing. But I got to pull it back because I've been dying to have this conversation and nobody will engage with me. And I think I understand why.

[Owen Benjamin]

I will.

[Top Lobster]

But I have to ask this question. You know, you. Let's say you have absent parents. And you know, as a child, you exposed to things that you shouldn't be exposed to. And it's an unfortunate thing, but it happens right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Now, let's say Louis de Gomez had that happen in Section 8 housing. Go on.

[Top Lobster]

I'm sure everybody in Section 8 housing has had that happen to them. Now let's say you're. This is a hypothetical. You're the same age, but you end up. You end up sucking off your cousin. It's just like, oh, what happened? Mom's not here, Dad's not here. We've been watching porno mags or whatever. Now we're sucking each other off. What is the cutoff date? What is the age where you go like, oh, I've got a whole bright future ahead of me. I better stop sucking this nigga's dick. What?

[Owen Benjamin]

What?

[Top Lobster]

What is the cutoff? Nine.

[Owen Benjamin]

Nine.

[David]

I think it is nine. Yeah, there was a. So like when I was younger, they had like, you remember like the cable box with the black box that you could like charge it up and get whatever. My cousins would put that on and it would be like an event. It'd be like, yo, everybody.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, me too. Yeah, we used to watch pornos in the same room and get boners and stuff, which is gay. I get weird.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's gay.

[David]

But like, at a certain point, I remember at a certain point being like, we can't do this anymore. Like, yeah, get my own black box and do it in my own room. But like, it was, it was like, borderline gig is just a bunch of dudes. It was like, yo, I got this thing. And I guess like the prior generations would have been like, I have these nude magazines, right? Come and look at them and then you do that. But like, there is an age.

[Clint Russell]

I think it's single. Single digit age behavior. And like, once you get in the double digits, if you're still, you know, getting boned up with your homeboys, you're pretty gay.

[Top Lobster]

I think it depends. I would say maybe we'll give them to 11. Because you ever meet a kid and you go, you're incredibly innocent. Okay.

[Owen Benjamin]

You ever meet like, I think there's puberty and nine.

[Top Lobster]

Puberty and nine.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, I could see because, like, just watching my kids, like, when right around nine Something shifts where they're just like more of a real person.

[Top Lobster]

That's exactly.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. They, like, can't. They're completely innocent. Like, you could get them to do literally anything. And then at 9, there's like that. That glimmer of like, they're real now.

[Top Lobster]

And then personality develops.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah. And they, they have that ability of pushing back against even their most trusted people. And then puberty is a big shift. And then there's one after you've been canceled by YouTube. That's another.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's another stepping stone.

[Clint Russell]

Most people don't reach that one, but you have.

[Owen Benjamin]

No.

[Top Lobster]

I just know that sometimes I'll meet kids. Like, I have nieces and nephews that are the same age and they live in different households now. Some of them are, you know, they're like teenagers. And you go, okay, I remember what it was like to be you. And then another one. You go like, you're still. You've got some core of innocence. Whatever happened to. Whatever happened to your cousins hasn't happened to you yet. And you've carried this into, you know, some considerable year, whatever that is. 12:30. So I just wonder. Yeah. If. If it's a prefrontal cortex thing. It develops to a certain extent now all of a sudden you're a person. And I guess it happens differently for everybody, but I'm comfortable with nine. I think that's fair. Thank you. Thank you guys for answering.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's not like I'm just trying to shame and like, you know, like having a whack in a room with like, dude. You know, when you're like young with your homies.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Happen, you know, and that's like weird and gay, but it does. I don't know, it's not something to. It's different when you're like, yeah, I sucked my. My cousin's dick till I was 14. It.

[Top Lobster]

That's crazy.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, for example, like, look at that. Like my hometown. That's what every kid, they were like. It was like a perverse, drunk, working class town and it was fucking weird. We had something called the Party barn where everyone. It was like a trip to Mecca where you go to this barn in the middle of the woods and it's filled with like old fucking playboys going back decades. It's like my town is like right out of like a sci fi movie about post apocalyptic, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so. But I wonder, like, is that what created me to be more comfortable on a stage? Like, I'm. I don't have that human reaction of like this is weird to be in this environment, but I was never sucking anyone's dicks. So like if you're sucking, which is weird, like I'm a little off where it's like I can be in front of 50, 000 people, like I'm alone talking, like did that influence that? You know? And so it's like if you're blowing a six year old, like you may have, like you're not trustworthy at that point. Like I don't, you know, I can be understanding, but it's like that will affect the way you see the world the rest of your life.

[David]

Does that contribute to you becoming like a superstar on the world stage the way he is? Because Kanye.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's trauma. Even if you're sucking it, it's still trauma.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Turning off a lot of these human reactions because dude, being famous like sucks. And no one will admit that because everybody just wants like, they feel, they want attention or something. I don't know what it is, but it's like crazy nuts world. And so only a certain amount of really up people could handle being Kanye west or Taylor Swift or any of these people. Because it's like, it's. Imagine, imagine you walk down the street and every single person just goes. It's like it's like worse than schizophrenia. It's worse than like the darkest schizophrenia where like terrifying. Yeah. We're like little eyeballs are following you everywhere and taking pictures of you and then shaming you and wanting to you and wanting to kill you all the time.

[Top Lobster]

That's why I never get, I never looked at celebrities weird when they freak out on paparazzi.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Especially like Britney Spears and everything like that. She was a kid when this started and these people were relentless. She lived a horrified. I watched a documentary one time where I, I'm watching a young Britney Spears and I'm going, she is remarkable. Like she's incredibly confident. She's sharp as attack and, and she was very kind and sweet and generous to everybody and. And now we have this lady who's dual wielding butcher knives and I'm like, yeah, dude, they they this kid up like real bad.

[Owen Benjamin]

So she never grew.

[Top Lobster]

No.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, there's still seven except like in this world of like insanity, you know?

[Clint Russell]

Yeah. Well, and she's like 45. It's so strange because I, I see her videos where she's doing her, her knife dancing and, and she's like pulling her bathing suit bottom down.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah.

[Clint Russell]

Like to the, to the cusp of her veg And I'm like, I never thought I would live long enough to see. To be at a time where Britney Spears wants me to see her and I don't want to see it. And like, for someone from my generation that is so stunning like that, that just seems like an impossibility. But here we are. I just wanted to point out. Yeah, exactly. I just wanted to point out, are you arguing that. That con or. I don't know if it was Owen or Top, but someone said basically like, that him blowing his cousin for seven years helped him on the path to stardom.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because it, like, it turned off a bunch of natural responses, which makes you not famous. It's like you have to go into a room and cry on cue. In the acting world, it's nutty, man.

[Clint Russell]

It's like, I'm sure those people are.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, I'm just up enough to be like a good stand up comic, but apparently I'm like, less up than a lot of these comics. But it's like actor, like a really good actor has to be able to go in front of, like, old men staring at them and pretend that their dog just died and they're getting married. Like, with tears. Like, that happens when you're like, you know, like these, these traumatic events when you're a kid. It shuts you off. It's kind of like these big bankers. Like, if you're gonna make money on the a war, like, if you're gonna be like, we're gonna make, you know, if a million people die, we make 1.8 billion. You got to have these things shut off. And that's why the thing that so many people crave comes from a lack of humanity that comes from trauma.

[David]

It's a. It's a disassociation. This is. This is. Actually, I'm gonna leave the banner up. This is what Ian Carroll stole from us.

[Top Lobster]

From us.

[David]

Poorly. So we were.

[Owen Benjamin]

He has a disassociated mustache, too. Go on.

[David]

He has a great mustache. How dare you? That's his, like, really redeeming quality. And also, I. I'd like to talk with Ian Carroll. I think he's a interesting guy and I want to know if he's legit or not.

[Owen Benjamin]

But yeah, my opinions do not reflect anyone else's opinions.

[David]

No, I don't give a. Like, whatever.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, I know, but I do just, like, hammer at people and I'm just.

[Top Lobster]

Like, sorry, I've been hammering at him for a while.

[David]

We'll say this to his face as well. I mean, look here. Here's the. I know he watches the show because he's been stealing our content. So there's our banner. Ian. I wrote that. But we were talking about the idea of disassociation, autism back, the vaccine schedule and how it relates to the telepathy tapes, which is like the number one or was the number one podcast that dethroned Joe Rogan for a little while. And there's like a concerted effort within the telepathy tapes, within the people that are doing the kids that are doing telepathy to disassociate in order to create these conditions where they can read their parents mind, travel to the astral, or what they were calling it, the hill, things like that. And then you get into the research of Andrea Puharich, who was, you know, for basically creating this state in people and doing it chemically or doing it, I guess you call it spiritually. David. Like, like, yeah, through channeling. But this is what we have been doing. You like, in order to. They call it ascension, like ascending and becoming like one consciousness. You have to disassociate. But now they're doing it chemically to children all over the place. And it seems like they're just looking to see what falls where. Like we have now created the conditions for all these children to meaningfully disassociate from their body, their mind, from their body. And now we're just being studied and you're seeing a lot of shit like this. And it's like I don't. I don't really trust what's going on.

[Top Lobster]

You know what?

[Owen Benjamin]

It's gotten to the point that's totally true.

[David]

It's.

[Top Lobster]

It's gotten to the point where I'm starting to really entertain this idea that the vaccine schedule is an arm of the MK Ultra program. That's what I think now. Because it's the same exact thing.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, totally. Yeah. Because I see like human beings are almost like drop. Like if it's like a drop of water and that's your soul and they're trying to get the water into a puddle, you know. And so they're trying to detach the detached, like the, the drop of water from its ability to be its own drop. And then they just start putting it into like a, like a. Like while you're alive, putting it into like a large amount of other drops of water until you don't have any identity. And then you can just start like projecting and doing all this. Because that's, that's why back in the day they would like rape kids and Stuff. It's not for no reason. It's to detach them from their bodies. You know, it's.

[Top Lobster]

That's the same thing with psychedelics in the. The ego death.

[David]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

You take psychedelics, you experience ego death, and that's good. Like, what.

[Clint Russell]

I was just going to make that point about the music industry. Acting. Hollywood is like that. That does seem to be the trend line. Or, like, that's why it's. The. The gate by which you get into the higher echelons of power is that you have to be, like, sexually predated upon. And then. Then once you're. Once you're broken, then they're like, all right, you can come in.

[David]

So, Owen, let me. Let me ask you. This might get too personal, if you don't want to answer.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm down with anything.

[David]

But the thing with the. With Joey Diaz, when he. When he gave you that in, like, you. You didn't know what you were taking or you didn't know, like, this.

[Owen Benjamin]

I knew it was a pot brownie. I didn't know, like, that. It was like, 300 milligrams. And I wasn't even, like, a pot smoker, really. I mean, I had. But I. I didn't know. I didn't. Yeah. The Star of Death. I didn't know what, like, to explain, like, I didn't realize pot could be like that, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Clint Russell]

I'm so. I'm so sensitive to pot that I. I took, like, the little. Little tiny chocolate square, then I had to sit in my car for three hours listening to the gospel music to try and bring myself back to sand. I am fragile, bro.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Joey Diaz basically gave me, like, like a giant bar of that. Like a Willy Wonka bar of that.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah. That's insane.

[David]

So, like, but this idea. Because in a sense, he. He saw it, like, you sort of, like, probably disassociated at that. Like, if you don't realize that you're getting that high, you disassociated, but you came out on the other side, like, looking at things more clearly.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, it helped me in a way.

[David]

Yeah. But so a lot of people say, like, oh, yeah, they want to do, like, you know, the mushroom trips and stuff like that. And it's. It is to disassociate, but a lot of it doesn't end up great.

[Clint Russell]

Like, but I think the point or I think the differentiation is, like, if it happens to a child, they disassociate out of survival instincts. If it happens to an adult who's had a relatively Solid upbringing. I think you can. You can then reflect on your life in a different way and make positive changes as a consequence. If you're a child, though, like, it's a lot harder to do that.

[David]

Yeah. Would you agree that moment. I think that's a good question. Would you. Would you have not taken that pot brownie?

[Owen Benjamin]

No. I would do. Everything I've ever done, I would still do now because it got me where I am. Like, I regret nothing. And it's not because I've never been wrong. It's just, like, what would have happened if I didn't, you know? Like, I got to see. And it was brutal for a few days. Like, I felt like a kind of different person. Like, I remember, like, holding my arm and feeling my bone and being like, that's not me. That's like a rock. Like, I could pick this up on the beach. You know, I'm like, this isn't me. Like, And I just kept telling Amy, like, that's not me. And. And I saw Joey. He looked like a. Like a literal demon. Like, he was like, yeah, dog.

[Top Lobster]

So.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And I just was like, where the am I? And then I was like, I need to get some air. And while he's doing the podcast, I just never returned. And I drove home. Yeah. And I was like, this place. There's, like, demons here.

[David]

You know, you think. Do you think when you saw that demon in Joey, I. I find Joey Diaz very funny. But do you think when you saw that demon in space, you think that that's. That's, like, there's just the drugs? Or do you think that, like, you got to peek behind the veil because there's a phenomenon that's been going around that the demon face syndrome that people are looking at. I don't know if you guys remember that during, like, when Covid was in full swing, they're like, we're seeing people. You're seeing demons in people's faces.

[Top Lobster]

It was a warning. It was an article that came out, like, you know, fascinating development. People may soon start experiencing what we call demon face syndrome, which is not even clever or, anyway, scientific.

[David]

Six feet apart. Keep it moving.

[Clint Russell]

That used to be called schizophrenia. I. And it just coincidentally arose when everyone was, like, social distancing and staying home by themselves. Like, people were losing their minds and they were pathologizing it.

[David]

Do you think that there is a demon inside of Joey Diaz?

[Owen Benjamin]

I think everybody has, like, demons in them on some level, And I think I got to see Joeys.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I think so. I think so. Based off of what I think is true.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. I think. I think demons are, like, wherever you. You. You don't take your authority, something fills in. And I think. And I felt that in myself. If you. If you can, like, see it in yourself, then you're really missing it, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, after. I know you had a discussion with Marzinski and. And so did we on a couple of Nephilim death squad. And I think he's right, man. I think even the thoughts, what you identify as your own thoughts, they're not your own thoughts. They're intrusive, they're abrupt. They're fully developed. When they arrive to your awareness, I don't think it's you, man. I think it's. It's outside.

[Clint Russell]

You don't think any of your thoughts are you.

[David]

Very few.

[Top Lobster]

I think that there are some thoughts, like, if I'm. If something crosses my mind and then I'm having an eternal dialogue where I'm considering, oh, isn't that strange? What do I think about that? Like that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[David]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

You're using, like, a tool.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Clint Russell]

But holy fool.

[David]

The holy fool idea. It does give me pause because I. I see the people emailing us, and they're like, dude, like, you crossed the line several times in this last. Especially if it's just me and David on an episode where we'll read, like, listener submissions or emails and stuff like that. And we're like, we crossed that line. And I was like, well, how much of that is me? How much of that is whatever. Top lobsters? And how much of that is like. Like actually who I am? Like, it's. It's very strange.

[Owen Benjamin]

How much is it the listener that's scared you're going to say something that hurts their demon?

[David]

Yeah, that's. This is another.

[Owen Benjamin]

I don't think that they're actually offended. Like, I. I think that either.

[Clint Russell]

No, I think that's.

[Owen Benjamin]

I've seen that over and over again. Like, really, really Christian people that are super not into any vulgarity and stuff, they wouldn't write a letter. They just wouldn't listen.

[David]

I will say this, Owen, real, real quick, like, ah, man, it was like a year or so ago. You were like, what's a good show to listen to? And I sent you the confessionals, and you're like, this is a great show. And then you poked him. You poked Tony a little bit, and you immediately came back to me, like, this guy's kind of like, got. Whatever.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like.

[David]

And then you're like, I'm not gonna Even bother. He doesn't. He doesn't talk to us at all anymore. Like, he's completely. And it's for that reason, I guess. He's seen, like, what I do on Twitter, and then there's just, like, hands off. But I was like, ah, I think you got the same feeling for any. Cause I love his show.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[David]

But there is, like, that weird disconnect, and I'm like, is it. Am I doing something? Because I'm not gonna change. I'm not gonna be fake to myself. I don't care about anyone else. Listen. But I'm not gonna be fake and then present that just so that I could fit in with somebody.

[Owen Benjamin]

They want you to disassociate, too. They want, like, whenever. Whenever you get that feeling where someone wants you to not be yourself, it's never gonna end well. And I'm good at making up with people. Like, I don't have. The only time I would keep, like, hold a grudge is if someone, like, directly came at my family. Not even. Not even just made fun of my family, but, like, put them in some form of danger. But other than that, like, dude, me and Dave Smith could be laughing in 30 seconds. Like, I don't. But I'm never not gonna be myself. Because then you're blind. Like, at that point.

[Top Lobster]

A lot of people have been doing that lately. They've been emailing us. And I get it. I know if you see or hear our rhetoric, if you don't understand, like, how I feel inside, then you will perceive that as, like, oh, this dude that I listen to is filled with hatred.

[Owen Benjamin]

I don't think that they really think that. I. I think that they're like. They're scared that you're slaughtering one of their sacred cows. Or they're. Or they're like, your freedom makes them uncomfortable. That. That happens to me sometimes. We're like, I'll be going super hard at the Jews, and then I'll be like, man, Jacob Rothschild was a legend. You know? And people are like, no. And they want you to stop because they're like, I can't predict you. And I'm like, yeah, because I'm not a fucking algorithm. Valuable in the future is to not be AI. So, like, people are like, no, I have to be able to, like, predict everything you're gonna say, or else I feel so uncomfortable that it means you're trying to hurt me. And that's narcissism. And that means that they're. They're literally going, like, spirit blind if.

[Clint Russell]

If you are predictable. You are replaceable. Like AI world.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Clint Russell]

A really interesting kind of microcosm. What you're talking about, too, about, like, damaging someone else's demons by something you said, and that's why they're upset. Last night I had the same thing happen. Someone said, dude, I really wish that you'd go back to talking about, you know, Austrian economics and leave this, you know, conspiracy shit alone. You sound like a schizophrenic. And I was like. I was like, why would you even feel like you have the ability to dictate what I talk about? Like, Right. That's such a crazy thing to do. I would never do that to anybody. But, you know, I blocked and I moved on and, like, there's no hard feelings. I just realized that, like, what he was challenged by was that I was taking his mind into a place that he was uncomfortable with.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[David]

That all the time they'll go, they'll. They'll say something like, you know, you really shouldn't do XYZ because it's going to be bad for you in the future. And then I look at, like, I was like, look what the. I built by doing XYZ over and over again.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, yeah, Andy, you can just see their immorality. It's like they're claiming position of God when they do that. Like, they know the future.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know what I mean? Where it's like, if you do this, your future will be wrong. It's like, are you omnipotent? Like, you can see their deep. Like, I know people throw the word around, but there is like a blasphemy to that where it's like, I know your future. I can tell you what will be good or bad for you. It's like you don't know anything. And it's like, Clint, you should be like, yeah, I love Austrian economics. There's this guy in the 30s, a.

[Top Lobster]

Real big fan of him.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, Popping.

[Top Lobster]

I've been having that experience lately with. And this guy did the right thing. The guy Steve from am. Wake up. I've been with him and I've been screaming like an insane person in all caps on Twitter. And I've been accusing him of. Of just insane things, stealing my moon map. You know, I've been demanding apologies and. And forehead kisses. I've been. And I've been just going on a tangent non stop. I've been posting pictures of them and. And there's a couple of different ways that gets received by people. One, they get it. It's silly. It's fun. And I am behaving in a way that it is impulsive, cathartic, and it makes me happy.

[David]

So he has been talking about us for, he's been talking about me for like four years, and I just don't care. And then he's, now he's talking about me and David's show and we're like, okay, you want attention? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But I don't, I don't hate Steve, though. And if I ever met him, I, you know, serve him with a smile and ask him if he gets it. You know what I mean? And it would be all good. But people see that and they think all kinds of things. They think, number one, you're spiraling, you've lost your mind, or number two, you are some sort of really hyper aggressive. It's like, I wouldn't do anything to Steven. Sweet, sweet Steven. I'm just playing a game. It's fun. If you lock into that algorithm and you become predictable, you are, among other things, giving up your sense of fun. Like, I, I, I feel that freedom of being on X and looking at all these people who are asking things like, have you ever been there? Right? And, and instead you come to my corner of Twitter and I'm screaming to you about eggs, and I'm screaming to you about moon Maps, and I'm screaming to you about Stephen, and I'm telling him that I'm reasonable and I just want apology.

[David]

Are you aware of the verse?

[Owen Benjamin]

Oh, I know about the verse, yes.

[Top Lobster]

Owen. Owen, you were in the verse. You are in the verse. But admittedly, for whatever reason, Grok was like, I'm gonna make him an Indian man. I will not make him a black man. And so yours didn't go as viral. And people looked at me when I was doing that too, and they were like, what the wrong with him? And I'm like, like, I'm sorry. I'm having fun. You have, you forgot I'm like so.

[Owen Benjamin]

Good at setting traps. They, they've learned to not with me kind of, because I'll like, I'll like, plan ahead and I'll do something that they then fall for. Like the slavery bit I did where they were like, saying it was better to kill a black baby than, than let me have it work on the farm. And then it starts, like, going back at them. And so I, I like my rhetoric ability is, is kind of, you know, I get it. I wouldn't with me either. But it's like, I think, I think like the the narcissism is what makes, like, whenever you see something like this looks real bad, bro, I'm like, that appeals to narcissists because narcissists care how other people perceive them, and that's why they're always appealing that, oh, you guys look really bad when you do that. It's like, why are you telling me? That's like, telling me, like, you're not going to get any gay sex if you do that. I'm like, I don't care. Like, I don't want gay sex.

[Clint Russell]

Right. That's the. That's the really unhealthy aspect about social media is that, like, oh, that's a bad look. Is like, right, right. All you really have on social media is your reputation, and people will either, like, come along with you or they will abandon you based off of whether or not you succeed in these little internecine battles between Douglas Murray and Dave Smith, me versus Austin or whatever. It's like, it's. It's all gay, but at the same time, like, that's the world I'm in. And it's.

[David]

I don't know.

[Owen Benjamin]

My favorite listeners are the ones who genuinely can't stand me, but know I'm hilarious, right? Like, because they. It's not about, I'm with you. I was standing with you. Oh, I. I was with you until I don't want you with me. You know, I'm. It's like, it's like, you know, I'm funny and interesting or not. And the people that are like, man, I. You say some bad, crazy man, but there's no funnier. I'm like, that's my guy. Like, I'm like a mechanic. I fix your car. You don't need to like me. You know?

[Clint Russell]

Exactly. Well, that's the key is that as long as. As long as you're doing this, even with what I do with the political commentating, as long as you are crafting your messaging to your audience, then they are only. They will only be with you as long as you continue to say everything they agree with. So you don't want to. You don't want to cultivate that environment. You want to cultivate an environment in which everybody that's. That's checking your out is like, I'm doing it because I like the way this dude's mind works. It doesn't mean that we're always going to agree.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. It's like, I want to know what's going on in the world, and I. I want to be able to somewhat Trust the person saying it. It's not about like regurgitating what makes you feel good. That's narcissism. That's literally like the empty suit of armor that demons jump into.

[David]

You know, A year ago, Clinkos, he says, you know, top, I don't understand what you're doing. You spent the last six months fermenting and just gathering an army of white nationalists. And then immediately, once I go, this is enough. I just decided this is enough one day. And I said, I just up. I just like, did what I, what I thought would aggravate them. And I was correct. And then they all turned on me and it was like half of them gone, but I was like, but the ones that stayed, those are, these are my people.

[Clint Russell]

Those are the ones you want to keep.

[David]

They're the ones that buy. Yeah, yeah, they're the ones that show up. They come to Bohemian Grove, which. Can we. I mean, we're coming at up to time. Can we?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, I gotta, I gotta do my stream soon.

[Top Lobster]

Let's talk about like two minutes till he's got to, to go. So, I mean, I guess what do you want to do? You want to just tell people it's number one. I want to tell people that the tickets are on sale. They're no longer on Patreon. You go to brogrove.com, pick up your tickets because they're about to leave. As soon as Owen gets on his stream and starts talking about what he's doing and that tickets are available, they're going to be gone. So you guys got about 10 minutes.

[David]

This is a one a one of a kind show. I'm just going to leave this here.

[Top Lobster]

Look at that.

[David]

Oh, and Benjamin, it's insane that, that anyone has agreed to even do this in this place, but I am, I'm looking forward to it. And I think you're gonna have a great time too, Owen, because it's like this. I think the audience that is going to show up to this is going to be ready. They get it. They're going to be ready to like, hear what the comedians are saying. So, like, it'll, I think it'll turn whatever stand up comedy is or whatever. It's been like, like, you know, like you're targeting an audience or you, you've done it with the people in your, in your festival. Like, they're there, they get it. And it's like, now I could fucking say the things that I want to say and I don't have to like, preface, like, just get right to the Point.

[Clint Russell]

I'm.

[David]

I'm super excited.

[Clint Russell]

It's gonna be awesome.

[David]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. My issue is always with the bookers. It's like the. The people always get it. Like, I could do like a bunch of Jews in New York or a bunch of homos in San Fran and they're roller skating out with a smile on their face, you know, for me, it was. It was the people running the events were the narcissists that were like, oh, no. And it was all about the trans and all that. It's like, yeah. I'm so pumped to do it. I haven't done it, like, someone else's show in a long time, and it just sounds like a fun, magical adventure.

[Top Lobster]

I'm hoping that what we can do is we can facilitate good comedy. You know what I mean? So if we're facilitating it, we don't care what the comedian says. We just want the comedian to be funny. And so I'm hoping that that turns into something real.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And I'm now like, cleaner than half of Twitter, so it's like I don't even. That. That's what I mean about not being predictable. It's like I'm not even like that shocking. I just won't go with what the demon wants at the time, you know, which is unacceptable.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah. Well, this is going to be a bit of a peacemaking mission. Owen Benjamin and Sam Shipley have beefed for a while, but they have. They have made amends and they are doing this event. I know, I know. Owen, you never, hardly ever leave the compound and go and do so. This is thrilling for us. We cannot wait. And. And Top is right. This is. No, these are gonna sell out. So if you guys are interested, grab them. Now.

[David]

The way. The way this is gonna go Friday is going to be the conspiracy day. So we'll have. Shane Cashman is going to do his show. I think he's going to interview somebody about, like, experience. It'll be like very. It's conspiracy. Kind of what we. We touched on with the idea of disassociation, stuff like that. Nephilim Desquad will go. There's a conspiracy roundtable and all of your favorite creators from the Florida Illuminati are going to be. They're going to talk shit. Sam Tripoli headlines that night with stand up comedy. It's going to be a great night. The next night we actually, like, like, it's coming together. This is like full blown comedy. We have. I think we have Elijah Schaefer. He wants to do his show. He Just like called us. He was like, yo, I want to do a show. Can I do it? We're like, yes. There's another guest that wants to do a show. I guess we'll see. It's up in the air.

[Clint Russell]

Leave it. Leave a little bit of mystery.

[David]

We'll leave mystery for that tower gang will do a show. And then Owen Benjamin himself right there is going to be capping off the night with some stand up comedy and. And then the town is ours both nights.

[Clint Russell]

It's gonna be bonkers.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm going last after like eight people.

[David]

Do you want to do that? It's up to you. You can go.

[Clint Russell]

You can open if you want, Doug, but you are.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm down. I'm down. I always want to make sure that everyone is in paced when I go up.

[Top Lobster]

If we bring a keyboard, would you play a keyboard?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, dude. I'd even buy a keyboard and then give it to someone with autism or some.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, nice. I already have it.

[Owen Benjamin]

I used to be down the road all the time. I'd like. Because I didn't like traveling with a keyboard. So I'd always buy one and then give it to someone with a kid and be like, get them to play.

[David]

I have a curse while over here for you. I'll just take the stickers off because I'm teaching my kids, like, you know, the notes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Wait, dude, you should take my piano lessons.

[Clint Russell]

Oh, and I. I know you got.

[Owen Benjamin]

To get learn how to play the piano with esoteric family friendly piano lessons.

[Clint Russell]

Perfect.

[Owen Benjamin]

Dead serious.

[Clint Russell]

Owen, we're going to let you go, man, because I know you got to go to your stream, but appreciate you coming on, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

All right, thanks for having me.

[Top Lobster]

Real quick, Owen, before you go, where can people watch if they want to stop watching this and go watch you?

[Owen Benjamin]

I am at Rumble. If you go on Rumble, just type in Owen Benjamin one word. I'm also. We have unauthorized tv, but you can't currently subscribe because we're in the process of switching servers again. But I'm also on Odyssey and D Live and whatnot, so. And on Twitter at Owen Benjamin on Twitter.

[David]

Are you still. You're not with Censored anymore. You were doing.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oh, yeah, Spencer's. Yeah, yeah, no, I. I still go up on Censored. I like, I like those guys. It's just every time I. I do one of their shows, you know, it's just like a huge fight about the moon landing or some. So I always forget.

[David]

Oh, man. Thank you for spending time with us. Looking forward to seeing you In a couple weeks. It's gonna be a blast, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

So I love it.

[David]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Clint Russell]

Later, man.

[David]

Bye.

[Clint Russell]

Before we get out of here, I want to. I want to challenge you guys on how organic. What mixture of this is organic versus what is contrived, what is op? Because, well, I know you. You normally lean that direction, but I think you guys also are very much on the pulse of the backlash to kind of critical theory that oppressed white people, and now the white people are fighting back. And this whole, like, identitarian shit that's rising is. Am I crazy to think that this is kind of the mirror image of the George Floyd, summer of 2020?

[Top Lobster]

So Owen said something interesting when we were talking to him. He said, I forgot what we were talking about. But he's like, I. Sometimes I think about the spiritual realm because I don't think people could orchestrate this, right? And so I don't know that this system has the ability to orchestrate virality, at least not the genuine moment. But what they do have is the ability to manipulate algorithms and promote materials. That would be because you imagine at any given time there are millions of pieces of viral content. It's just whether or not the algorithm funnels them to your. Your site. And so I think it's a. It's. It's kind of that situation where I wouldn't be surprised if these things take place, you know, now and again, maybe more often than we'd like to imagine. But this mixture of, like, right off the back of the Carmelo Anthony thing, and then this Somalian guy, this white woman, and the white woman is like, you know, kind of pretty, like, she's not bad looking. So. So even that box is ticked. Like she's. She's got a. A likability about her. If she was a morbidly obese white woman, this would not have worked. Right? But she has this air of likability about her. She's also based in that way, so that's cool. I think a real event took place and. And this algorithm is looking for this opportunity to stoke, you know, these racial wars. The only thing that's a question in my mind is, is this, if it bleeds, it leads, and therefore the algorithm knows that it gets clicks or are we being funneled down this path of race war?

[David]

I think. I think it's. It's a real event that happened for real. But the reason I'm not.

[Clint Russell]

I'm not arguing it's AI or anything. I'm just saying the moment is. It is it contrived or not, like, the. The overall reaction, the fucking fundraising drives everything else.

[David]

I think that. That some of that's contrived. Some. So it's like the. The moment of. I bring her up all the time. What's her name? The girl with the short hair, short blonde hair.

[Clint Russell]

Oh, Eliza Lies.

[David]

Yeah, Eliza Blue. Yeah, Right. She had the same moment and she got caught with this thing where she's like, oh, she's lying. She's, you know, she's attacking pedophilia, but she's doing this. And. And it's like, none of that was important. What was important was they fermented movement against.

[Clint Russell]

There was an operation, dude.

[David]

Yeah, 100. But it was a small one. And it's like, what the. This made no sense. It was like sort of within.

[Clint Russell]

Still doesn't make sense.

[David]

No, but. Well, if you think about it, it's like, if I wanted to know how people would react to this, I would do exactly this. And this is what they did by David. He's out. This is a much better shot anyway, if I wanted to know how people were going to react to a certain situation. Like, how many bots do I need to sprinkle into a conversation before it becomes real? Because it did become real.

[Clint Russell]

Yep.

[David]

There was real people that got caught up with it. And then the bots get taken out and the real people are left holding the bag. Like, what the fuck was this? Something similar happened here. They figured out a formula and they're like, when XYZ event happens, we can pull this string. And I don't know if they pull the string on this one to see. To create another riot. I think they did it to gauge the temperature.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, well, that's the thing is, like, I think people sleep on. They go like, oh, what's the. What's the game plan here? It's like, well, you just have to continue to turn the gas up ever so slightly. Just like a couple extra degrees. We've been simmering ever since 2020, as far as I'm concerned. Some people would say we've been simmering for decades, but I feel like we've been simmering for real since towns were burnt down en masse in the summer of 2020. And I think that that was an op. I think that that the. The way they only took the. The one angle. They didn't give you the. The lead up, where he's like, asking to be pulled out of the police cruiser and he's being asked to be laid on the ground. Like, had you seen any of the extra footage, then you don't get this apex of, of animosity and, and willingness to go light on fire. But if you just truncate the information that the masses are receiving to the most provocative seven or eight minutes from the most provocative angle available, well then you have us, you have your secret recipe for chaos. And it's like that, that moment and all of the response to that and then the disparate treatment of everybody that was responsible, you know, responsible for those riots. And then you juxtapose that with the J6ers who are abused savagely. And then you have this juxtaposition of woman says a bad word despite the fact that the kid allegedly robbed her. And it's like this is not a really a big deal. Whereas on the inverse you get a half a million defense fund for this Carmelo Anthony kid who appears to have brutally murdered the other kid. And it's like. Yeah, and it's just the disparate reaction, disparate treatment. And it's just like, it's just constantly cranking that, that stove top a little bit more.

[David]

Yeah, I feel like that was that. So the car, the Carmelo Anthony thing was like, it's a, there's like an organ, it's part organic and then part contrived where they're like, they're turning it up a little bit like that, that GoFundMe or whatever we had. I'm like, maybe some people donated, but black people usually don't support other black people.

[Top Lobster]

They don't even.

[David]

Something happened, dude, to put together over.

[Clint Russell]

A half a million dollars.

[Top Lobster]

Like something else.

[Clint Russell]

I feel like that's, that's someone stoking the fire.

[David]

They won't even support each other in, in their like local businesses, but they'll, they'll support this. It's like maybe some, the light skinned.

[Top Lobster]

Ones hate the, the dark skinned ones.

[David]

Yeah, but so a lot of this.

[Clint Russell]

Is like, I don't think it's black people donating. I think it's fucking, it's either, it's either intelligence agencies or it's. Well, we've, we've made an entire episode without talking about them. So I'm not going to do it.

[David]

Jewish people. Well, you know what? But the Jewish people are donating. They're donating to this other side as well, to this lady and, and her name is Shiloh. So there is like this weird Jewish involvement as well. So it's like something for the record.

[Clint Russell]

For the record, I didn't mean like the Jews as In like Mossad or some. I meant like Jewish liberals. Like, they're, they're the ones that I would see donating to, to that cause because they're like the ones that are like, you know, critical, like reparations and, and very soft on crime policies. Like all the. That George Soros pushes.

[Top Lobster]

Somebody brought up a. I think it was Owen that, that had a great take on it where he was like, these are the same people that are previously telling you that a boy can be a girl and a girl can be a boy. Now we're saying a little boy can't be a. And that's crazy. What a leap. I didn't say that. Owen Benjamin said that. The whole thing does feel.

[Clint Russell]

It's a very funny line, but come on, are we. You look, if you're.

[Top Lobster]

Of course, no, of course you're not.

[Clint Russell]

If you're old enough, if you're old enough to commit like a violent crime, I. Okay, maybe, maybe you can use that label. We're talking about a six or seven year old that robs ladies purse. So we really. I just, I. Makes me uncomfortable. I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, it's not a great thing. I don't like a person, like, I wouldn't hang out with a person that. That said that at a playground to a child. If I saw that happen at a playground, I would go, I, you know, I would watch that later, like, is she going to take this further than just calling him an. And then when we left, I'd turn to my wife and I'd be like, that shit was fucking funny. She called him a nigger. Did you see that shit? So I mean, you know, I'm not saying she's a good person at all. And I'm not saying that she is deserving of all this money.

[Clint Russell]

She's going to rack. She's going to rack more than Carmelo.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah. The more money she gets, the more funny I find this entire situation. But it does feel like 90% of this was orchestrated because they've been orchestrating this for a really long time. This like race war thing. Because, you know, even before Twitter was taken over by Elon and all of a sudden, you know, the pendulum started to swing to the right and, and we have a voice. These were the stories that legacy media led with for the past decade. You know, ever since the Obama administration, probably even before that, there's been a long effort to highlight, you know, the black community and all the things that are wrong about or all the things that are happening to the Black community, once the black people are adequately outraged, once they believe that there is a system pitted against them, once they believe that the white man is definitively to blame for everything that ails the planet, because we are the conquerors, we are this and that. Now you can shift to the white people and you can start chipping away at that, highlighting that a little bit. Look, isn't it unfair they beat you up in the streets and you can't even say the N word? Or isn't it unfair they stabbed this kid in the chest? You know, and there's been this big build to what I think is, I don't know, might be, like, right now, where is it safe to say we're closer than we were before?

[Clint Russell]

Yes, of course. This is. What I'm saying is like, all right, you cranked it up. It's now went from a simmer to a low boil. Then you just need one more. You just need one more crank right before summertime, right when the heat kicks, right when it's 110 degrees in New York City and fucking Philly and everywhere else, and then you just have. Have police brutality pop off. I. I just want to remind people, because everyone's going like, that shit's not going to happen. Trump's in power. He's got the, you know, FBI and all these people are on his side power. Last time, yeah, this. This is the point I was going to make. It was the summer of 2020. It was the fourth year of his presidency. Like, sure, maybe he's got a better handle on the system and how it works now, but I think. I think it is. It is primed to go haywire this summer, and there is nothing they want more than to have a populist right winger look as if he can't govern safely.

[David]

You're putting a monetary value that is a number of, like, 0 to 100 on how. How primed are the people. And her GoFundMe, in my opinion, is that number, if it. If it gets to 1 million, like, they're like, we are 100 ready, sir. Like, let's. Let's deploy the next one. And the guy's like, yes, yes, but this.

[Top Lobster]

Doesn't this feel exactly the same as what. You know, me and Top have certainly been saying this, that it feels like the JQ thing was hijacked and then steered into overdrive. And to the extent where it, like, jumped past the actual details of what's happening and went straight into a place where there's no longer nuance allowed. And I Think that was done by design. This feels like very much the same thing. Look, as a, as a conspiracy theorist, right, We've said this for a long time. What do they do? They pit us against each other. Whether it's racial lines, racial divides, religious divides, you know, political divides, whatever it is, they're going to strengthen those boundaries as much as possible. Because the last thing that the elites want is a. As a. They don't want a strong cultural fabric in America. They don't want us to be united in any way. Each other.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, the more divided, the better and. Exactly. I think this is why I was so early on that the call that they were trying to deplatform Dave Smith is because, like, exactly what you're describing just a second ago, where they, they cranked it as hard as they could because they don't want that discussion about nuance. They don't want the middle road where it's just like, I don't really give a shit what happens to Gaza, but I don't want to be funding it. Because if we have that argument, that's a really compelling argument to be made to the vast majority of Americans. If you, if you crank it to, well, let's fucking build gas chambers, well, then no one's going to have that discussion as to, like, yes, let's just not be participating in this. This is madness. Go to war with Iran. Let's not do this, let's not do that. So Dave, despite Owen's critiques of him, Dave presents a really challenging paradigm where he is a Jewish guy being very critical of Israel. I think that's a powerful position to be in. Despite the fact that Nick Fuentes despises it. It's like he's taken more seriously. He's taken seriously in a way that Nick Fuentes will never, ever, ever be. And that's just reality.

[David]

But then the conversation also stops right there. And that's a tragedy because we need to talk about.

[Clint Russell]

But that's not his job, though. You can take it. Oh, one could. No, that's not what I'm saying. Why do you keep bringing that up? He's never even said that before.

[David]

It's like, so, like he is. So Dave Smith is a Jewish guy that's making the argument for the argument against Israeli crimes. But we will never get to the.

[Clint Russell]

Conversation of, of Jewish influence in, in media establishment, blah, blah.

[David]

Even bigger, even crazier than that. Like the, the religion of Judaism is that, well, at least the Talmudic Judaism is that compatible with.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[David]

America, where America's found were based on the Constitution, which was based on Christianity.

[Clint Russell]

That's fine. But I'm just saying, I mean, to expect Dave, who's an American and a Jew to say, oh, I'm not. I am not compatible to be an American is like, it's an absurdity. He would never feel that way, and nor should he. So if you want to take it to that level, then. Then do it on your own.

[David]

Well, are you, like, the question is, then, are you a practicing Talmudic. Talmudic Jew?

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, I'm sure he's not.

[David]

That's the question. And also, then what is a Jew? Like, we can't even have that conversation because it's like, it's a cultural thing. It's an. It's an ethnic thing. It's a economic thing at somebody. What is.

[Top Lobster]

The same thing has happened now in this conversation where, like, people, look, Clint asked me before we're talking about it before, it's like, do I really. Am I a fan of that kind of behavior? Are you going to do that to a child? Like, no, I. Like, despite how egregious I may seem, if I'm at the park and a little black girl walks by me, I'm gonna have a smile on my face. You know what I mean? Just because I come on the show and I say this or that doesn't mean that I actually have hatred in my heart for people. But we've gotten past that. We are now in the no nuance zone. Instead of going, is this lady technically deserving of some sort of a GoFundMe? And maybe there's an argument to be made because she has been doxed, and that becomes kind of complicated. So, you know, the damage is levied her way. Should there be some sort of, you know, money to, you know, repair that? That's a conversation to be had. But most people are beyond that. And they go, here, here's $20, here's $50. I don't give a fuck. That's how bad this is. Now, fuck the nuance. Fuck the conversation. Here's my money. When people start putting their money in. And I. I said this earlier on Nephilim Death Squad, I think it was like, we thought we did a thing where we stopped paying for Bud Light, right? And that was a boycott, and that was a big deal. And we put our money where our mouths are, and that's how you get done. You know, that's what they say in this country at least, is stop funding these things, start putting your money elsewhere. Well, people did even More than not contribute to Bud Light or something, they paid their own hard earned money to this woman.

[Clint Russell]

I, I think the other thing that, the other angle of this that people are sleeping on, which I'm sure both of you have already noted yourselves, but no one's actually vocalized it, is that this is a safe way to voice your protest. It's an anonymous way to say I don't like what's happening. Yeah, I, I get to ship 100 bucks to this racist because this racist, like that's, that's basically what they're saying.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Clint Russell]

So like, this is why, you know, despite the fact that I do think that it's a psyop to a certain degree, and I do think that it's being amplified for nefarious purposes, I think the, the underlying revenue for much of this is genuine and the energy for much of it is genuine. So like, but if I, if I have again, I have that nuanced approach. That's exactly what that dude told me. Go back to Austrian economics. You sound like a schizophrenic. That's what he, that's what he was replying to was me, me pointing this out that like, I think the George Floyd Summer of Love was a psyop. And I think that this is to a certain degree too. It's like, that is just, that's the, like, you have to be able to approach this with a level of nuance. If you think it's all organic, you're a lunatic. If you think everything's a psyop, you're a lunatic. There is a middle ground here. But if you allow the lunatics to, to control the narrative, well then we don't get to have that serious conversation. We don't get to have the conversation that you're talking about either. If you just have like the hardline Nazi goose stepping psychopaths in the street that are talking all that, if they were to control the messaging, well then you don't get to have the conversation that you're talking about either. So like, maybe, maybe Dave doesn't take it too far, but the real danger is the people that take it too far, in my opinion. Now again, I don't want to sound like Douglas Murray and I'm gatekeeping. Say whatever the you want. I don't give a. I'm just saying I am trying to keep myself in the lane of like, like what is productive and, and what is actually grappling with the totality of what we're looking at.

[David]

And that's like this Is that's the deserve. And it's not necessarily Dave. It's not Dave's fault because it's not his battle to fight. But I think that the James Lindsay types want to keep that discussion there because once we, once we start talking.

[Clint Russell]

About, like, they want to take it away, further away from where, like, Dave is taking it too far for their comfort.

[David]

But they're using the justification of like, oh, these guys are downplaying World War II and the Holocaust and they're anti Semitic. It's like, well, let's talk about what this book actually says that you study in Yeshiva. The things that you guys walk around and you actually believe. Why does it say these things? And if you believe it, are you compatible with everybody else walking around here? Are we aimed at the same thing? We want to have a functioning. We can never talk about that because the conversation is stuck at Hitler. It's stuck at, you know, and, and Dave, obviously, Dave is, is right. But the conversation will, will get. That's a great cut. Like, you know, turning off point for people that don't really wanna. The people say, I wish you would just talk about Austrian economics. The idea of, like, can we at least not pay for this genocide? Is like, great. That's a very comfortable place to like, stop for a lot of people. And, and it's great that people are there. But like, the bigger conversation is like, this is all happening over and over again. And I think it's because, like, there is a group of people that are not compatible with what. What I believe, like, what, what America is believing.

[Top Lobster]

And we can't have a conversation. If, if that is where this conversation ultimately leads, then you might imagine that there are people who don't want that conversation to be had. It's a tricky thing to stop speech. How do you do that? There's a couple of different ways, right? You could impose legislation that stops speech, but that probably won't go ever over too well. I think a lot of the public would get pretty reactive about that. But if you can push the conversation constantly, like every time it starts to happen, push it into the extremes so that you're only dealing with the most extreme cases. A young man stabbing another young man in the heart at a fucking track meet, you know what I mean? Or this Somalian migrant doing this thing or that thing. It's like, if you can keep the conversation away from the middle and only in the extremes, then it will simply never be had. And, and so if, if there are people who are trying to avoid that topic top that conversation. You know, this is one of the things that they might do because the alternative is legislation, and that doesn't work well.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, and I think this is exactly why they're trying to get rid of Dave is because he. He is. He's, you know, safe, dangerous, as you guys have talked about sometimes. And. And, like, he's too safe for them to actually cancel him. So they're. They're trying to straw man and take out a context and do all sorts of deception to try and basically make him Persona non grata and get him at least off of Joe Rogan. Like, if they could just do that, that would be a huge victory for them. And I think it's. It's ultimately going to backfire. And it's. And I. I know this because I. I'm friends with Dave, and I know that he's talking to Rogan about it privately, but it's like, it's just. To me, it's so obvious that when you pair that, then. Then you also have all of this. All of this anger towards what Israel's doing. And then all of a sudden it's like, oh, the American people are now black versus white. It's like, oh, interesting timing on that one, huh? Like, we're all seriously considering, like, hey, like, even Trump's, like, core base is going, dude, fuck going to war with Iran. We know what this is about. We know who we're fighting this war for. And then it's like, oh, Shiloh comes up and here comes Carmelo. And let's all fucking just forget about the billions of dollars that we're shipping to this country and the fact that we have major carrier strike groups are sitting off the fucking coast that could strike Iran at any time. The fact that we were, like, inches away from doing a major bombing campaign to take out the nuclear facilities in Iran just 10 days ago. It's like, none of that's on the radar anymore. It's all about Shiloh versus the Somalian versus the black autistic kid. And, you know, I'm just.

[Top Lobster]

You know what's funny, though?

[Clint Russell]

Sick of it, man.

[David]

I'll play along.

[Top Lobster]

That Somalian. That Somalian thought that America was racist, right? And that is the genuine perception of not only blacks in America, but also other countries around the world. Because you see us fighting on the world stage, you know, Internet fucking forums you have access to as well. And I was just watching a video. It was hilarious. Morbidly obese black woman, you know, doing a selfie camera video, and she's like, I used to live in America, but I just couldn't get down with all that racist shit, right? So I decided to move to Ghana. And I'm not gonna lie, I think I like America's problems better. Ghana got different problems. They have security problems, they have electricity problems. The grid goes down constantly. They have scam problems, they have thieving problems. They have like, she's just going down this list, basically telling you, oh, I fell for the propaganda to the extent that I uprooted my life, went to a foreign country and realized that it fell fucking sucks, and that America actually is dope and isn't racist. I mean, it's becoming racist because you won't stop fucking telling us that we are. But I just watched this woman go to Ghana and get her electricity turned off. And when she went outside, they don't even see fat people in Ghana, right? So this lady goes outside, they think she's fucking rich, and they start trying to rob her constantly. They're constantly trying to scam her. But America's racist and you have to flee, right? So it's just funny how that actually did become the perception.

[Clint Russell]

She gets what she deserves. She was living in delusion and now she found out what reality is. And that's fine.

[Top Lobster]

That's it.

[Clint Russell]

And I think. But see, this is the mistake that I think a lot of people are making. Because, you know, granted, like, these are all anonymous accounts that are replying to me and I'm sure half of them are bots. I don't even know what, what percentage is real. But regardless, I'm getting like mad crazy replies where people are saying, oh, we've been in a race war for decades. Only black people have been fighting. White people haven't. Oh, we've been. White people been getting genocided for decades. You, you. And like, that's how they're talking to me. And like, I'm a race trader or some. I'm like, I don't know what the world you're living in, but like, yeah, sure, there's black people that kill white people. Happens every year. Of course. I bet you if you look at it statistically, it hasn't changed dramatically. I bet it's been consistently like this for a very long time. And guess what? It's nowhere approaching a genocide. Is it a problem? Sure, it's a problem. We don't have to lie about it. But you also don't have to lie about on the inverse where it's like, I literally can't live in this country anymore. These black people are Going to kill us all. It's insane.

[Top Lobster]

Something crazy.

[Clint Russell]

There's just no. There's no middle ground, all right?

[Top Lobster]

I think black people are less dangerous than they used to be. And the reason that I say that is because I know places where my family live where I can go and visit and I'll walk around, I'll go to the corner store. I. I won't feel incredibly threatened. But I remember it was different when I was a kid. When I was a little kid, it was like, you cannot go the fuck out there. They will beat you up. They will take your shit. I've gotten my ass beat. I've watched my family and friends get their ass beat. I don't think it happens as much. I've been joking around and say, these aren't the blacks of old. Because the new blacks, they're kind of like. It's interesting. They've developed a love for emo music and they're kind of going like, goth black. Like, black people have changed.

[David]

They're all stuck in their cousin's dick.

[Top Lobster]

They're all sucking their cousin's dick. I do think that I would have a better chance walking around in a black neighborhood now than I would have had in the 90s.

[David]

Yeah, I agree with.

[Clint Russell]

Just spends. It depends on the neighborhood. I mean, there's. There's certain areas in Chicago that, like, you really wouldn't want to.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, obviously I'm not talking about Chicago. I'm talking about, like, I lived in. In Elizabeth, New Jersey, you know. Yeah, I would. There are parts of Newark that I think. You know why? I think that because I've watched places get gentrified and I've watched thin homosexual men open up coffee shops in all black neighborhoods and not get anally raped. But I know that those same homosexual skinny men would have gotten anally raped back in the 90s. I do think that's true. I think in the 80s and 90s, it was really rough. It was a different type of person.

[Clint Russell]

I'll confirm it for you. Because, you know, when I was a kid in the 90s, I went out to Compton and Watts and. And it was like, this is dangerous, dude. And then I went out there to foreclose on people's houses. And it, like, it was still dangerous, but it was less dangerous for me to be going door to door, like, saying, like, we're evicting you. Yeah, than it. Than it was when I was a kid in the 90s, you know? So, like, it. It's obviously improved. And I think it's Improved even more since then because now you got these like the gentrification and because the internal parts of LA got so expensive, it started push out the more like impoverished black people. But, but regardless, like this is why I don't, I don't like the framing and I just feel like the Internet feeds, the framing that like this is, it's never been worse. We've never been more angry at each other and I just don't buy any of that. Like if the only reason that we are more angry at each other is because we're seeing this, it's being shoved in our face. Like I, I have never seen more interracial like violence than I have over the past year. But it's statistically not, it's not like reflective of an uptick. It's just that like the Algos on X in particular have recognized that like this gets shared a lot, this gets commented on a lot. And it's like so now my feed, despite the fact that I don't. I hardly ever comment or reply or share any of that. I am bombarded with a white kid getting beat up by a black caretaker on a bus. Just this morning I saw that and I see, you know, this other high school white kid getting stabbed in the heart and it's just, it's just non, stop, man. I just, I really think it's unhealthy.

[Top Lobster]

I think it's a, it's a half and half. I think it's, it is definitely not worse than it's ever been.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, it's not that it's not real, it's just that it's overstated. That's all I'm saying.

[Top Lobster]

But I do think that we probably have never been madder at each other. I think that's probably true.

[David]

I don't know if it's not overstated.

[Clint Russell]

I think that this is, it's overstated when someone says that we're, we're being genocide. Get the out of here.

[David]

No, we're not being white people are not being genocided. But, but I think that not talking about this for so long, it is.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, I agree, I agree. Like this is, but this is the problem with this. It's not the problem with colorblind liberalism. It's the problem with only applying color brand colorblind liberalism to white people. If everybody was, was for not forced but like basically shamed into feeling that way and behaving that way, then that might work. But we just stopped doing that for anyone other than white people for decades. And now you have Genuine animosity that exists amongst black people. Not. Not all, obviously, but a decent chunk towards white people. And they've gotten more and more brazen and loud about it how, like, y'all are the problem. They're just pointing at us all the time. And now white people are going, like, dude, I didn't have any anger towards you at all. What the fuck is this? And now suddenly, the anger is being kicked up genuinely on that side, too. But it's. It's.

[David]

That's.

[Clint Russell]

It's a long time coming. But I'm just. I'm just arguing that I think it's. Yes, you're right. We should have been talking about this in the 90s. We should have been talking about the 80s. We should have been talking about the whole time. We should have been like, yo, yeah, if we're doing this multicultural, we're gonna have to be treated like equals. For real. For real. You don't get special treatment because of slavery. All right? We're not doing any of that. But they didn't do it.

[David]

Yeah. So if you talk about it, it lets off the pressure and maybe even, like, addresses the problem a little bit more. But right now, you have. Black people are mad at white people. Let's just say a number. $500,000. And white people are mad at black people. 200. And last time I checked, like, 86,000, bro.

[Clint Russell]

I bet it. I bet it's 400 by now, probably.

[David]

But, like, do you see that metric that's, like, useful. It's useful for the Jews that are orchestrating it. It's useful for me, who's just looking at it, because, like, we're. Some of it's fake, but some of it's real. And it's like, well, they're real to this dollar amount. I feel like that's a very useful thing to see how it'll be.

[Clint Russell]

People are.

[Top Lobster]

There was a time when it was better, and it's when we were allowed to talk about it. And I still maintain. I know I say this a lot, but Chappelle's show, during its height, I think race relations were better.

[Clint Russell]

I think that showed late 90s, early to mid 2000s. That was the 80s.

[Top Lobster]

We were having a good time. We were making fun of each other. We were making fun of ourselves. But something interesting that's worth noting is the major way that the dynamic between white people and black people has shifted is when I was growing up in the 90s and early 2000s, and I was getting beat up. I was afraid I didn't Want to be white. I hated being white because I was shown definitively that not only will I get my ass beat for being white, but being white is. You're gonna get your ass beat for it because it's uncool. White people are not cool. That was what it used to be. They weren't hip. They didn't have rhythm. They couldn't do. They couldn't spice their food. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. White people were uncool.

[Clint Russell]

I fixed all that with my wiggerdom.

[Top Lobster]

Yes. Yeah. Now white people are evil. They're conquerors. They are the thing that ails the entire world.

[Clint Russell]

We went from being nerds to being, you know, the oppressor. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's insane.

[David]

You guys are super cool.

[Clint Russell]

Too cool. Yeah, we are too cool.

[Top Lobster]

We are very cool. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody in the chat said Raven's white. I was white enough to be called white by black people and Spanish people and Spanish enough to be disowned by the white people. So it was a great time growing up. Really loved it.

[Clint Russell]

I would have disowned you for sure.

[Top Lobster]

I'm the only.

[Clint Russell]

I'm the only real white here.

[Top Lobster]

If I saw me, I would disown me.

[David]

All right, let's. Let's bring it in. We do have some. We have $1 super chat from Andrew Jacobs he said is a gateway to dick. Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Banger.

[David]

Yeah. Who said that?

[Clint Russell]

Earl Skakel.

[David]

Earl Skakel. You need him at the next Bohemian Grove. I don't know who that is, Andrew, but that's. I think that's the only one that we got. Unless there's another.

[Clint Russell]

We only got one for the. That's crazy.

[Top Lobster]

Now, somebody else was. Was asking. They were like, hey, are you gonna read our super chats? But I think the problem is we're streaming to, like, seven different places and.

[David]

Wild. Yeah, just one super chat. These cheap bitches.

[Clint Russell]

I'm genuinely surprised.

[David]

Yeah, that's fine. It's fine. All right, let's. Let's wrap it up. Let's get out of here. I'm gonna do a raid on Owen Benjamin's page before we get out of here, please.

[Clint Russell]

If you're watching right now, we got, like, a thousand people watching. Click the subscribe button. We. We need that to help with the algos, like, comment, share it around, and also pick up your phone and subscribe to the audio version of the show. That actually helps us with monetization. It helps us to grow the show and everything else. I. I just threw down over $3,000 for the studio that we're Putting together in my place. It's gonna be awesome. So whatever support you guys can lend us, I'd appreciate it. And yeah. Search dangerous.

[Top Lobster]

RTRD brogrove.com. guys, get over there. Buy your tickets, because Owen's probably talking about in his show right now. It's now open to the general public. It's no longer to our Patreon. So these tickets are about to move really fast. If you didn't get them before and you want to get them now, here is your chance. Go to brogrove.com.

[Clint Russell]

A reminder, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about 225 tickets. This is going to be fucking gone.

[Top Lobster]

There's already. There's way less than 225 tickets right now.

[Clint Russell]

No, no, I know. I'm saying total. I'm saying, like, you got. You got to hit it now. Like, there's. It's probably half gone already. So.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I would go to.

[David]

Or Top lobster dot com. It's all up there. Go grab them, because there's already people that are. Oh, wait. We just got another five dollar super chat from our homegirl, Lainey.

[Clint Russell]

That's ten dollars.

[David]

That sounds. Oh, boy, I'm blind. Yeah, I love.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, you said Lainey.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, I know.

[David]

I love y'all. Hit the subscribe and like, oh, thank you.

[Top Lobster]

Chaney's gonna be there. Chaney's gonna be at Bro Grove. And Cheney's also going to be on our show squad very soon. It's always a great conversation with her and you guys will get to see her and where I get my fashion inspiration from.

[David]

Yes. Yeah. Secret Society of Good Guys and Project Cheney. Go check her out. She's on Twitter and Instagram.

[Clint Russell]

Someone says read Scott Super Chat. Is there a Scott Super Chat? I don't see one.

[David]

I wish there is.

[Top Lobster]

God is. I love Scott.

[David]

Yeah, let me see. Scott. Scott. Did you send us a super chat, Scott? Because if you did. I want to. I want to.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Scott said is. Scott's opinion is very important to us.

[Clint Russell]

There's so many, like, comments, but I don't see it. I'll re. I'll read this one.

[David]

Cubertemo. $1.

[Clint Russell]

Suck a nigga dick till your neck bus.

[David]

Okay, very. Thanks for the input.

[Top Lobster]

Damn, that was a banger of a line.

[David]

Scott. Rest in peace, tlc. Never to return. Very.

[Top Lobster]

No, that's not true. Timeline Cleanse will be back in July. In July, everybody's favorite show will be back in the beginning of July. Timeline Cleanse will return.

[David]

It's not coming back. Not coming back. I feel Like, I had something else to say before Cheney rudely interrupted me.

[Top Lobster]

Unbelievable.

[Clint Russell]

With money.

[David]

With money. Yeah, money. What were we saying?

[Top Lobster]

I don't know. Jews, blacks.

[Clint Russell]

No, we were talking about buying tickets.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oh, right.

[David]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Com, guys.

[David]

Yes. Buy the tickets, because that's what I was saying. There's a. There's a bunch of people in the Patreon who were like, oh, I was going to buy the VIP tickets, but I figured I'd just wait a little. They're gone. VIP is gone.

[Top Lobster]

VIP tickets are gone.

[David]

I'm gonna actually go. When we go there tomorrow, I'm gonna see if we could do something else for, like.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah, we're gonna try and open up another row for vip, but we don't know if we can do that yet, so hang in there. If we. We'll know tomorrow.

[David]

Yeah, yeah. So just do it now. Do it now.

[Clint Russell]

Just get. Get tickets, guys. If you want to be like. You know how Owen Benjamin's fans are. Tripoli's same way. They're gonna sell 100 each, probably. So if you're. If you're a dangerous slash Nephilim slash Liberty Lockdown fan, you got to get them now.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[Clint Russell]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

They're going to move up. We just got the notification. They're actually all gone. There it goes. There it goes.

[Clint Russell]

Guys, I know this sounds like it's aggressive sales, but that's not what I'm doing. I'm doing it because I want our people to be there. And if it'll be sad.

[Top Lobster]

What we did was we booked people who are way more successful and way more of a draw than we are, but we want our fucking homies to be in the audience. And so it would.

[Clint Russell]

It would make me feel bad if our people don't get to go. That's.

[David]

Me and David were having this conversation yesterday or earlier today where I was like, okay, these things. This thing is happening, and, like, I didn't set out for it to be like this, but this is our event. How. How do I. Like, I not get outshined and not. Not to be like, I need all the glory, but I'm like, you're gonna get outshined, Doug.

[Clint Russell]

It's just.

[David]

I know, but I'm doing this so that way, like, we can grow the show. Nephilim Deskwell. But then I'm like, owen Benjamin basically volunteered to do the show. Elijah Schaefer just. Just texted, and he's like, I am doing the show.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, he didn't even volunteer. He just told us that he was performing Alpha.

[Clint Russell]

Well, then Then that better hook us up with a rumble deal, because I'm tired of him not, you know.

[Top Lobster]

Well, let me tell you, we're gonna have a lot of bargaining we're gonna have a lot of bargaining power in our corner after this event. So, guys, please.

[Clint Russell]

Yo, we ought to be. We ought to be negotiating right now. So, Elijah, if you're watching, get your together together, guys.

[David]

You get your together, too. Subscribe to Dangerous. Subscribe to Liberty Lockdown. Subscribe to Nephilim Death Squad.

[Clint Russell]

And Tower Gang.

[David]

And Tower.

[Top Lobster]

One more request. When we're on stage, please clap louder for us than you do for Owen and Sam.

[Clint Russell]

Yeah. In fact, boo them.

[David]

Boo them out of their. Don't do that.

[Clint Russell]

I'm kidding. That'd be. That would be funny. But don't do it.

[David]

We actually have. I have security, actually, at the event, so. Justin. Yeah, I don't know. It's. This thing is.

[Top Lobster]

Well, because it was like, we don't want anybody. Number one heckling. Don't be a heckling ass. That's annoying. As we're up there, we're trying to perform. And also, don't try to come on the stage or you're gonna get beat up.

[Clint Russell]

I don't think we need to tell our fans not to heckle.

[Top Lobster]

But I will say, trying to see these people drunk.

[Clint Russell]

I don't know, but that's what I was gonna say. It's like, try not to get so faced that you end up heckling on accident.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[David]

Heck of an accident. That's hilarious. All right, guys. Clint, anything else you have? No. No episodes coming out? No. You just fucking.

[Clint Russell]

I don't have a studio dog. I just moved here, so. Yeah. Stay tuned. Liberty Lockdown. We'll be back in four or five days.

[David]

All right, guys, Enjoy your weekend. Peace out.