06: The Book of Genesis w/ Ed Mabrie - The Poetry of Creation

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad Episode 06: The Book of Genesis w/ Ed Mabry - The Poetry of Creation

Date Released: March 29, 2025
Host: TopLobsta Productions
Guest: Ed Mabry
Title: The Poetry of Creation

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1. Introduction to Ed Mabry

The episode begins with a brief discussion introducing Ed Mabry, who is actively involved in exploring Biblical conspiracies. Ed shares personal anecdotes, including a recent date with his wife and insights into his ongoing projects and publications.

Notable Quote:

• Ed Mabry [02:28]: "My legacy website is Faithbyreason.net. That's where you will find everything I've been doing for the last decade, plus all my blogs and podcasts and videos."

2. Understanding Hebrew Poetry in Genesis

Ed Mabry delves into the first chapter of Genesis, emphasizing that it is written in Hebrew poetry rather than narrative prose. He explains that recognizing this poetic structure is crucial for proper interpretation and dispels the common misconception that Genesis chapters one and two present two separate creation stories.

Key Points:

• Hebrew Poetry vs. Narrative: Genesis chapter one is poetic, structured in stanzas similar to Psalms, meant to be sung or chanted.
• Integrated Creation Narrative: Chapter one provides a high-level overview of creation, while chapter two offers detailed exposition. They are interconnected, not contradictory.
• Cultural Context: Understanding the ancient Israelite culture and language is essential for accurate interpretation.

Notable Quote:

• Ed Mabry [10:28]: "Genesis chapter one is a song. And it's followed by Genesis chapter two, which again in Hebrew poetry is exposition."

3. Pre-Adamic Civilizations and the Nephilim

The discussion shifts to the controversial topic of pre-Adamic civilizations and the Nephilim. Ed addresses the theological and logical challenges posed by theories suggesting the existence of humans or intelligent beings before Adam and Eve.

Key Points:

• Sin's Origin: If pre-Adamic humans existed, questions arise about the origin of sin, as Biblical texts attribute sin's entry to Adam alone.
• Moral Implications: The existence of pre-Adamic beings complicates concepts of divine justice and human accountability.
• Racial Superiority Claims: Ed critiques theories that misuse pre-Adamic narratives to support racial superiority, highlighting the flawed logic inherent in such claims.

Notable Quote:

• Ed Mabry [16:54]: "Believing that there's a pre Adamic civilization actually creates more problems than it solves."

4. The Power of Words and Music in Creation

Ed Mabry explores the relationship between language, vibration, and creation. He connects modern understandings of quantum physics with Biblical accounts, suggesting that words and music have intrinsic creative power.

Key Points:

• Quantum Physics Parallels: The universe is composed of vibrations and ordered patterns, akin to how the Bible describes creation through God's word and song.
• Cymatics and Sound Patterns: Demonstrates how vibrations and music influence physical forms, reinforcing the idea that music can shape reality.
• Spiritual Implications: Music and spoken word are not just artistic expressions but fundamental tools in the act of creation itself.

Notable Quotes:

• Ed Mabry [29:16]: "Words are ordered vibrations. That's what we're doing now. We're speaking ordered vibrations. That's why it makes sense that God would speak or sing the universe into existence."
• Ed Mabry [36:40]: "Those frequencies can actually bring that harmony and actually heal you, whereas the wrong frequency can have the opposite effect."

5. Addressing Listener Questions and Challenges

The hosts discuss the challenges of addressing misinformation and maintaining the integrity of Biblical teachings in the face of conflicting theories and public misconceptions.

Key Points:

• Discernment: Emphasizes the importance of knowing the original Biblical texts intimately to identify and reject counterfeit interpretations.
• Community Support: Encourages listeners to seek knowledge through reputable sources and engage in Biblical studies to strengthen their understanding.
• Handling Criticism: Shares experiences of dealing with vocal minorities who oppose their interpretations, advocating for patience and focusing on positive outreach.

Notable Quotes:

• Ed Mabry [44:55]: "The best way to see a counterfeit is to be really familiar with the original."
• David Lee Corbo [50:22]: "If enough people hear the truth and see the truth, then it'll shift."

6. Theological Insights and Future Discussions

Ed Mabry outlines his upcoming works and topics, including his books "The False Apocalypse" and "The Little Season," which aim to reinterpret Biblical prophecies and end-times narratives.

Key Points:

• Reimagining Revelation: "The False Apocalypse" seeks to reinterpret Revelation chapter six, proposing that the opening of the six seals is a deception by Satan rather than the start of divine judgment.
• Exposing Misinterpretations: Plans to address how modern conspiracy theories have twisted Biblical prophecies, aiming to clarify and correct misunderstandings.
• Progressive Order in Creation: Discusses the gradual increase in orderliness throughout the six days of creation, culminating in humanity modeled in God's image.

Notable Quotes:

• Ed Mabry [55:19]: "God is doing repair work. He's bringing light back in. He's making sure that his new creation will have the ability to repair any damage they do spiritually and physically."
• Ed Mabry [84:07]: "If you let me know, then that's where... you fully vet your guests and maintain the show's integrity."

7. Conclusion and Closing Remarks

The episode concludes with the hosts reflecting on the importance of speaking truth in love and planting seeds of knowledge within their communities. They express gratitude to listeners and outline the roadmap for future episodes, focusing on deepening their exploration of Biblical texts and their implications for modern-day believers.

Notable Quote:

• Ed Mabry [86:18]: "If you know the character of Jesus, then you can eliminate counterfeit meanings that don't fit the context."

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Final Thoughts:

Episode 06 of Nephilim Death Squad offers a profound exploration of Genesis through the lens of Hebrew poetry, challenging listeners to reconsider common interpretations and encouraging a deeper, more nuanced understanding of Biblical creation narratives. Ed Mabry's insights bridge ancient texts with contemporary scientific concepts, fostering a unique dialogue that seeks to unravel complex theological and conspiratorial themes.

For those interested in delving deeper into these topics, Ed Mabry recommends visiting his legacy website Faithbyreason.net and supporting his work through Patreon, where additional resources, books, and interactive Bible studies are available.

Transcript

[Ed Mabry]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Ed Mabry]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave? They control this now when no one's talking about how they made us finally slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the clouds and won't awaken to a dead in the grave. But then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day. Everybody is slave.

[Ed Mabry]

Only some are aware that the government.

[David Lee Corbo]

Releasing poison in the air. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, I would just like to remind everybody that this episode is going to stream in its entirety. However, if you were still looking for a good way to support Nephilim Death Squad, then consider going over to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad, signing up for whatever tier you'd like and enjoying ad free viewing experiences, hanging out in the chat during live shows and also gaining early access to the episodes before the general public does. You could even do it for free for seven days. And you can try to get out before the billing cycle kicks in, but I bet you you're gonna want to [e-mail] backslash Nephilim Death Squad. Guys, it is Friday and Fridays are for the Lord. And so we are back once again with Ed Mabry and the continuation of our Book of Genesis discussion. This is episode six. But before we get into all of that, Ed, where can people find your work?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, thanks guys and sorry I wasn't on last week I had to have to go on a date with my wife, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's nice.

[Ed Mabry]

Gotta keep that going. Yeah, we went up to wine country. We're actually, we live in like the county, like adjacent to Napa, so we used to do it all the time before we had kids. And so we, you know, did that. So appreciate you.

[David Lee Corbo]

It looks forward to the kids getting older and then you can kind of redo that again, right?

[Top Lobster]

You got to be careful, Ed. You might have more kids coming.

[David Lee Corbo]

You might start over. You might start over.

[Ed Mabry]

Dude, I, I can, let's put it this way, I, I, I am surgically incapable of having any more. There you go.

[David Lee Corbo]

No such thing as starting over.

[Ed Mabry]

No. If she, if she gets pregnant now, we're either either she's cheating on me or we're have to name it Jesus because it was in there.

[David Lee Corbo]

You go, either it's Jesus or we're fist fighting. Where can people find you, Ed?

[Ed Mabry]

So my legacy website is Faith by reason dot net. That's where you will find, find everything I've been doing for the last decade, plus all my blogs and podcasts and, and videos. And if you like the stuff I suggest you getting, you start reading it now because I'm going to start moving things around and there may not be as much available there because I'm, I'm moving to some other platforms. Speaking of which, the place where I am really driving people that I'd love for you to go is to my patreon, which is patreon.com faithbyreason and if you become a patreon, the two levels of the first. At the first level, you get bonus episodes. You get to get my stuff right before it's released anyplace else. My, the next episode of the Genesis series. I was hoping to have it up this week, but I've been really busy with some other stuff I'll talk about in a second. So I will, I'll have it edited up hopefully today or over the weekend, and that'll be the next part of the Genesis series. So you get that you also have my weekly Q and A's that you see there. And if you level up and go to the, the, the, the blue tier level, then in addition to everything else, you also get to be part of the monthly Bible study, the Jehovah Story Book club as we call it, where we go through the entire Bible in one year with these once a, once a month sessions. And we look at the Bible from the supernatural, the spiritual point of view, and it's, it's where you should go, because that's where 80% of of the Bible is. It's the spiritual realm. And that's why most people have trouble understanding it and understanding who God is and his character and his will. At it as if the Bible's our story. It's not. It's Jehovah's story and what's going on in the background or what we consider the background in the spiritual realm, that's where everything is happening. And if you understand that, then you will really know what's going on. And in addition, and one of the reasons why I'm late putting stuff up is because I am working on two books right now, one which I plan to release probably next week and we can maybe talk about it on next week's show. This will be my book I've done. I'm finishing up on the the False Apocalypse and reimagining Revelation chapter 6. And then my next book, which I want to, which I plan to have completed and up on my Patreon and Amazon and, and all the other Apple books and all that kind of stuff will also be my book on the Little Season. I've been doing a book on Little Season I want to release in May. And the reason, and by the way, if those of you who are Little Season fans, it is your fault that I have this book up. Because every time I talk about the Little Season, I've been on a ton of podcasts, we talked about it here. I have my video on it. I always get pushback from the Little Season people. And the one thing they always say, well, Ed, you didn't do enough research. Well, you shouldn't have asked me to do that because I have done more research and it does not help your side. The more research I do, the worse the Little Season becomes, the more evidence that it's that we're not in it.

[Top Lobster]

This is how, if I was you, that would be the first thing I do. Because our friend Paul Stobbs of Understanding Conspiracy, he's one of the guys that spearheaded this, this theory, or you don't even like to call it a theory, but the Little Season idea, he was mentioned on Joe Rogan, Eddie Bravo was on Joe Rogan. And he was like, there's this guy Understanding Conspiracy. You got to see him. He's talking about the Little Season. And Joe's like, whoa, that's crazy, bro. So it's like this has hit the mainstream. It's, it's float. They're there. They, you know, our friend Clint Russell has Interviewed him as well. He's like, this is crazy.

[Ed Mabry]

And.

[Top Lobster]

And we gave. I gave him the pushback of what I think I. It might be, but it's in the narrative. So now the race is on. Yeah, the race is on. Now's the time to get out there and be like, actually, here's the. Here's the book if, you know, if you do feel so inclined. But I have an idea for your cover, Ed.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay.

[Top Lobster]

The COVID Your book. Bam. Look at that. Incredible.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's so cool. Nailed his background, too. That's great.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

That's awesome, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

AI is getting real weird. Real weird. Look, before we go on, I just want to bring to your attention and that one of our favorite people in the chat, Zman, is awesome. Caught wind of the fact that you have some issues when it comes to royalties and music.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like music that's not going to get you copyright struck. Well, it seems that Z Man has whipped you up some music and he's looking for a place to send it to you. Would you have a. Someplace they could reach out to if people want to send you things?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I can. Well, can we get to. Mind if I give it to him after the show? Because.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, that's fine. That's fine. Maybe best to not blast it out. If you give it to me, I'll give it to him. He's a good guy. He's one of our longtime supporters.

[Ed Mabry]

Oh, no. Yeah. If you guys trust him. I trust him. I just don't.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

To everyone, because this. I. I'm actually. You know what? I'm. I have a faith by reason email. I can give that. So. And hold on. It is actually. I'll give it to you. I just created it for. Because I needed it for something else that I'm doing. I'll give it to you, Raven, afterwards. I'll send it to you. Let me make a note of that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Awesome. Okay. Yeah, just. Our community is filled with a lot of really cool people who. Who. Who, you know, who really want to help. And so I thought that was.

[Ed Mabry]

I appreciate it. Thank you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, because that copyright thing, you know, could be a huge pain.

[Top Lobster]

Very annoying.

[David Lee Corbo]

One of these days, Vinny Paz is going to show up to our doors and shoot us. Because I'm sure we owe him like, a tremendous amount of money for our intro.

[Ed Mabry]

The irony is that the piece that I keep getting tagged for by YouTube, I paid for it. I mean.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, dude, that happens a lot. And I don't know what to do about that, actually. Like, we have.

[Top Lobster]

You've got to like there's a whole claim that you have to do it, you have to deny it and then you have to claim before you put the video up. But it's really ridiculous because a lot of the stuff is from programs that you pay for and it comes royalty free. But YouTube doesn't recognize that because they don't know where you got it from. So it's entire thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

But.

[Ed Mabry]

So anyway, to wrap it up. So I've got the. So the false apocalypse book next week. It should be out and then. Yeah, so I, I guess I have my finger on the pulse of things. So May is when. Early May is when I want to have my little season book ready to go. And hopefully that. Because I've already got people lined up who want to have me on there on their, on a book tour, on their podcast. Because I get it is blowing up. Everyone's talking about it and there aren't many people like myself who have a, A, a dispute, a formal dispute to it. So yeah, I'm, I'm all, all about it.

[Top Lobster]

Let me tell you, man, I, I think at least once or twice a week I'm still getting new comments on our episode of the debunking the little season. People are so mad.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what's funny about those people?

[Ed Mabry]

And I know why they're mad. That's how I end the book with talking about. Because I don't want to get it. I'm not going to get too deep into it. But let's. I'll just put it this way. I understand the psychology of the people who are accepting the little season. And once I understood that actually God, because I was, I, I would get into battles with people about it and I would always feel uncomfortable afterwards. And God reveals something to me and he said, look, I need you to look at it from their point of view. And once.

[David Lee Corbo]

What are you looking at? Are we going to bring up the comments of everybody really mad?

[Top Lobster]

No, no, I'm just looking at your yellow hair. Jesus.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh my God. What. What an atrocious human.

[Top Lobster]

2000Views is one of the higher videos on YouTube that we have that's been watched, so people might as well.

[Ed Mabry]

Unfortunately, it got demonetized. So thanks for that YouTube.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's probably why.

[Ed Mabry]

Anyway.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it'll be interesting to see how that develops in the future. But today we are here, episode six. And I have a question, Ed. Why have we named this episode the Poetry of Creation?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, because the, the first chapter of Genesis, specifically from I guess verse 3 on is not narrative. It is poetry. And if in, in some of your Bibles, depending on the, the translation you have Genesis chapter one is in stanzas just like the, like in the book of Psalms. All the psalms are, are in stanzas of, you know, three, four lines or even, or even more indented, just like any other poem. That's because the translators understood that this was Hebrew poetry. But just chapter one, chapter two is different. And, and it's really important to understand how Hebrew poetry works. And if you understand that, then it will clear up some of the confusion that people have about chapter one and chapter two. Because many people see them as two different creation narratives and they're not. Because in Hebrew poetry, remember this was written, this was not written to 21st century English speaking Americans. This book was written to ancient Israelites and, and it had in who spoke Hebrew and they had a certain culture and their linguistics. And the way things would work with, in Hebrew poetry is there will be a poem which, or more accurately a song because Hebrew poetry is meant to be sung. If you ever go to any type of a synagogue, Orthodox Jewish synagogue, and they will read from the psalms, but they will be chanting it, they will be singing the psalms. They're meant to be sung. So you could technically say that God sung this replenishment and we'll talk about what that means in a second into existence. But poetry is like any poetry is a big picture overview. It uses a few words to give like tons of, of information and ideas that, and, and you have to use inferences. Just like with any song in, in the video that I did that on the poetry of creation. That's, that's actually, it should be on YouTube. I think I dropped it on YouTube today. It's been on my Patreon for a couple weeks. I, I talk about that and I, I give lyrics to a love song and I talk about how this love. I get four lines of a love song that basically talks about years of a couple's, you know, their interaction because you have to infer and read things into it based on those lyrics. And it's the same thing with the creation narrative. And because people complain about it and say, well, you know, God created the universe in just this one chapter. All these things are going on. Mountains and trees and, you know, stars and planets and all this kind of stuff. So it's, they don't take it seriously because they don't see that this is a poem. And just like any poem, it packs a ton of information into a few words. And, but the other, but the unique Thing about Hebrew poetry is that is it is always either preceded or followed by exposition that, that, that extrapolates on the poetry. And so you see that example in the song of Moses, for example, at the end of Deuteronomy, and this is preceded by God giving all of his rules to Israel about the blessings and curses. If you, if you do these certain things, you'll be blessed. And God gives details about the blessings. If you don't obey him, you'll be cursed and hear all the curses. And then after that, Moses gives overview of that in the form of a song. And that song basically says, yeah, you're going to be blessed or cursed. You guys are going to screw this up. You're going to be cursed. But you know, hold on as long as you can. But you guys are idiots. You're gonna, you're gonna screw this up. But that's. And he said that's his big picture overview. And you have, in the book of Matthew, you have the song of Mary after she's visited by the angel Gabriel, who tells her that she's going to be the vessel through which Jesus comes into the earth. And she sings a song where she is basically giving this big picture overview of this. How, you know, women have been wanting. It was like the desire of every Israelite woman to be the mother of the Messiah. And she praises God for so forth and so on. That's. But the. So the point is, in this case, Genesis chapter one is a song. And it's followed by Genesis chapter two, which again in Hebrew poetry is. It's exposition. It, it just, it gives more details. And if you don't understand this, then you're going to fall into the category of believing that there were two creations and that there were two creations of humanity. Because at the end of this, of the first of the song, it says, and God created man. You know, he male and female. You know, in the image of God, he made them male and female. He created them. And then in the next chapter, it talks about how he made Adam from the dust of the earth and how he made Eve from her. And then. So people who don't understand this will say, well, okay, God made a bunch of humans in chapter one who existed for X number of years, and then he made Adam and Eve separately. No, that's not what, that's not how Hebrew poetry works. It was, it was an overview. He's saying, I made mountains, I made trees, I made sea animals, I made land animals, and I made humanity. Okay, chapter two, here's exactly how I Made humanity first man, first woman. So and I'm, you know, and I, I talk about that a little bit in, in my next video and I'm going to do a whole, I'm gonna do a bonus episode for my Patreon that I'm calling the Mysteries of Creation where I' go into detail on some of these things, some of the stuff that, that are my theories, things like, you know, what I think the firmament is, what I the age of the earth and you know, the message in the stars. And I like a bunch of, of those sorts of things that aren't part of the verse by verse study. But my point is, but I'm also going to talk about the, the, these, the theories of these pre Adamic civilizations of human humanity. And I understand why people want to, why they promote this idea because they're trying to explain certain things that seem mysterious in the Bible. Like, you know, where did Kane get his wife? Or you know, why are there so many different racial groups and so forth and so on. But believing that there's a pre Adamic civilization actually creates more problems than it solves. Because some of the questions that come up with is okay, if God made a bunch of humans before he made Adam and Eve, then were those humans sinless? Because the Bible says in the book of Romans, among other places, that sin came into the world through Adam. So what about these other people? Did they sin too? And if so, then how could sin have come through Adam? If they sin first, if they didn't sin, then why do they have to pay for the sins of Adam? If they were just perfect and not eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, why do, why are they suffering for what Adam did? That doesn't make sense.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a fascinating point.

[Ed Mabry]

I'll get into.

[Top Lobster]

It presents even, even riskier question which would be are they people? Because to sin would mean. Yeah, that, and that's a dangerous one to sin. To sin would mean to miss the mark. And that would imply that there's a mark for you to hit. And the mark would be to be like God your creator or. Yeah, yeah, that, that's, that opens up a weird bag of worms which I don't know, it's interesting, but I don't know where you put it.

[David Lee Corbo]

What Ed just said kind of like puts a, an arrow in the knee of that because there are those like we, we found that booktop, remember it was like pre Adamite civilizations or the pre Adamites or something like that. And basically what it shows. Yeah it showed you abbos and, like, you know, mongoloids and things like that. And, like, you know, it's kind of saying that anybody. If kind of what it was alluding to is, like, anybody that's not the white man was like, you know, but then it's like, okay, well, if that's what you believe, then how did sin not enter the world until Adam? And then. So. So if you're championing, you know, some Aryan race or some like that, then you have to answer the question of why was this Aryan race created and then sin was introduced to the world through them?

[Top Lobster]

Also, what the hell are ambos? I mean, that. These are great questions.

[David Lee Corbo]

Great question. I don't think that we're gonna get. I don't know if we'll ever get an answer for that, but. Yeah, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

I mean, like, you guys were saying, like, one of the big issues with that is the whole racial superiority thing. And yes, everyone. Not everyone, but a lot of people who hold to those theories of one race is better than the other.

[Top Lobster]

And.

[Ed Mabry]

And if they have any kind of biblical bent, they always go back to this. Well, you know, God made other races. Because the funny. Here's the thing that's funny about racists. Every racist, always who. Everyone who believes in the theory of racial superiority just always happens to be a member of the superior race.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, yeah. You're very rarely.

[Top Lobster]

Not me. I'm a huge racist. But. And I think Puerto Ricans are trash. I can actually prove it mathematically. You guys bear with me.

[Ed Mabry]

You are the exception because, I mean, you never hear, like, a white race and say, you know what? Yeah, there's a superior race out there, and it's the Asians. No. Yeah, but every. Whether you're. If you're a white racist, you think whites are superior. If you're a black racist, you think blacks are superior or whatever. So. So obvious. Clearly, you're not being objective. You're just saying, you know, and by sheer luck, I just happen to be a member of the race. And so, I mean, again, and this. I'm not. It's not just a white thing. I mean, they're. They're.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, you get the other side. You get like the. The Yakubian narrator.

[Ed Mabry]

People that know the Adam and Eve were black and the other people, you know, the. The original. The first humans were. Were white, but the special ones are. Are Adam and Eve, and they're dark. Whatever. But the point is it. Again, it creates more problems than it solves because of that, because it. It honestly doesn't make any sense, because if, if sin came into the world through Adam, then God would be unjust to put that on everyone else. And if everyone else didn't sin, then they should be immortal.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

So.

[Ed Mabry]

Yes, go ahead.

[Top Lobster]

So where do we put this stuff then? Like, because that, that is a timeline that is quite confusing for me. Right. Adam kicked out of the garden and then something, something, Cain and Abel, that happens. He. He gets cast out, something, something, something. He ends up in a town with a bunch of people, and he was scared that they'll kill him.

[David Lee Corbo]

So what he's going on, protected from people that are going to murder him.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I'm gonna. Well, you will. I'll do a bonus episode. We're just riffing here, but so I'll give more details. But yeah, because people say that. Well, who was, who was Kane talking about? Well, keep in mind that human beings were not the only intelligent life that existed. There were the Elohim. I believe that's what he was talking about. He. And he goes, so, so let me, let me go back to him going to a city. It didn't say he went to a city and there were people there. It says that he built a city. And it didn't. And it didn't say that he started building it immediately. What it does say is that he started having descendants, and they started having descendants. And remember, these people lived hundreds of years. They lived to be 6, 7, 800 years. And if you think that, and I don't know what their fertility rate was, but if you figure that maybe the women, for a third of their life they were fertile, that would be like, what, you know, two, 300 years.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Where they could have babies and their babies could have babies. And if you do the math, there was basically. But Adam lived for 930 years, and it says he had sons and daughters. He had tons of them. In which they would have had more and more and more. And so from the time that Adam sinned to the time of the Nephilim, that's about 2,000 years. And if you did. If you looked at, at the idea of a woman being fertile for 300 of those years and every woman having an average of three, just three kids every hundred years. Just three. Every hundred years for those 300 years.

[David Lee Corbo]

And that's conservative, right?

[Ed Mabry]

Over threes. Yeah, I'm being conservative. That that could easily be a billion people on Earth by the time of, of the, of the Nephilim. 3 billion, just starting with that base pair of Adam and Eve. And we don't they had, though we know the, the first, the, the three sons they had were, were Cain, Abel. I mean obviously Abel was killed and then Seth. And it also said they have daughters, didn't say how many daughters they had. So if you just obviously they had to, you know, Kane had to. Where did Kane get his wife? Probably his sister or could have been his niece. Because Kane, when Cain killed Abel, they were in their 70s or 80s at this time, if you use the timeline, by this time Abel could have married one of his sisters and had a daughter and she could have been of marrying age. So Kane either married his sister or he could have married his niece.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's crazy too, because when you start thinking about like having that many kids, these people would not have even known some of those kids. You know what I mean? Like there's just simply like Adam, if he lives 900 and some odd years, certainly by the time he's 700, he has forgotten many of the children's names that he's had. He probably sees them and doesn't even recognize them. Like, who are you? And it's like, that's, I'm your son actually. You know what I mean?

[Ed Mabry]

Like, that's probably great, great, great grandson. You know, I'm your third cousin or something. Like, okay, sure, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It would be like everybody though, it's like anyone that's alive, he's like, yeah, my kids, like.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, right, yeah, that's true. Yeah. And keep it moving.

[Ed Mabry]

So again, it wouldn't be immediate, but over those hundreds of years you would have hundreds of thousands, millions, possibly even a billion people. Because you know how, like, it's how compounding interest works. You know, you start in your 20s compounding and you're not making very much money, but by the time you're in your 40s or 50s, have a ton of money. That's how it would work. And so that, that's why Cain built his cities. And keep in mind some of those cities might have already been there because we had the pre angel, the angelic civilizations that were there beforehand that were flooded. And you know, they, we talked about this in the last episode that the angels were on earth for an indeterminate period of time. We don't know how long they were there before this rebellion where God had to, you know, destroy everything and then start the replenishment with that world we'll be covering in the, in this episode and probably the, the next one. So yeah, so he built cities. But there could have been remnants of those cities already there. I mean, there are some people who believe that the pyramids were not built by humans at all, that they might have been part of this. This angelic civilization, because, I mean, we don't know how they were made. They were amazing. These. These amazing structures that were doing things that we can't replicate to this day.

[Top Lobster]

Have you seen the. The latest news, Ed? I know you're not really.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. That they're finding stuff that the radar shown, like, some stuff, like, like a mile.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, I've been weird because the. The radar images, like, I'm on the fence about it because a lot of the. The CG generated imagery that we're seeing is, like, fully fleshed out, and it shows these pillars that stretch deep into. That's stretched out. Stretch deep into the Earth.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know if it's like a mile or something like that. And then there's like, you know, these pillars that stretch down into gigantic cubes. Let's get rid of that. And I just know, like, the rate. The way that the radar works is, like, that's not the image that you're getting. And so I don't know what to make of it. People are extrapolating into pretty great reaches, you know, in my estimation. But I don't know, it goes into that whole. Like, what do the Inca believe? Well, they believe that they actually discovered the megalithic structures in Peru and that it was created by a race of giants that were destroyed in a flood and they. They were also cannibalistic.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I. I'm convinced that. I'm fairly convinced that the. A lot of these megalith method megalithic structures were created either by the angelic civilizations before humanity or by the Nephilim during that period of time.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

We know that the Fallen Angels gave humanity a lot of information.

[Top Lobster]

It's kind of funny. Yeah, you've got, like, these modern conservative journalists now, like Jack Posobic, and he was like. He's talking about the. The pyramids. And he's like, well, let me tell you, it's a bombshell. Have you guys heard of the Nephilim? And I'm like, what hit me right now? Yeah. And everyone's like, wow. And I was like, this is incredible. We've been talking about this for a year. La Marzulli's been talking about for 100 years. But it's a new subject now, so it's very interesting. It's in the forefront.

[David Lee Corbo]

Ed, I wanted to go back a.

[Top Lobster]

Little bit before we.

[David Lee Corbo]

We continue on. So we're talking about this sort of poetry. Right then. And, and, and it's describing how God makes, you know, the universe and the world and us. And what I find fascinating is I don't really know what to make of it, but this idea of like God using the word and it's something that comes up very often in our research because telepathy is, is big on the menu right now because of the telepathy tapes, but not necessarily going there. I just wonder like, if speech and the ability to prophesy and, and, and God using the word, these things highlight how powerful our, our own words are. Right. You talk about if you want something to exist in the real world, you have to speak it into the spiritual world first. It exists there and then it goes on. Is. It's almost like music is a, is a. Then some like, it's, it's levels above it. It's like if the word is powerful, if speaking is powerful, then music and, and I would guess because words are, you know, harmonics, they're frequencies. But you're doing something above and beyond that. You're manipulating those harmonics and frequencies to the nth degree. If you are. Especially if there's more than like. Like I think about the angels singing, holy, holy, holy. And I'm like, why are they singing? You know, why aren't they just saying it? Like, why aren't they holy, holy, holy, holy. Like, they're not doing that, they're singing it. There's like this resounding music to, to what they're doing. And so it just has me caught up as we're talking on this, on this concept of music and, and singing and, and is that like a form of prophesying or using the word, but like a higher level of it?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, you hit a lot of stuff there. So let me, let me break some of it down. No, no, in a good way, because this is great. So we may have talked. I know we talked about this in our Speed of Light episode back in the day. I think my first, my first episode with you guys, we may have covered it last week. But when you get down to the quantum level, you know, the subatomic particle level, you know, we talked about electrons. Electrons are, you know, they're the ones that circle. Those are the particles that are circling the atom that, you know, give us the illusion of structure because of the electromagnetic fields. And so we have this illusion of solidity, but we're actually not that solid. I mean, there's, we're mostly empty space.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. You said if you scaled it up, that the Nucleus would be like the size of a softball and that the orbiting electrons would be like all the way in the end zone of a football field. If you place the nucleus in the center.

[Ed Mabry]

Right? Yeah, well, that. Yeah. If the nucleus was the size like the head of a pin, it would be the end zones of football. If you made the size of a softball, there would be. The electrons will be circling like seven miles in diameter.

[David Lee Corbo]

Damn.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, so. But the part of the. Of the ad met is actually substance that actually has weight. Where we get our atomic weights and you've seen on the periodic charts and you're, you know, in high school chemistry or whatnot, that comes from the protons. But when you. Protons and neutrons. But when you get. When you break a proton down, it's made of quarks and leptin the quirk leftist. And quarks, when you break them down, they're actually made of vibrations. So at the fundamental level, the thing that make up the. The actual substance of the atom is vibrations. What are vibrations? Vibrations are sounds. We know we live in an ordered universe, so what would you call ordered vibrations? Words. Words are. That's what we're doing now. We're speaking ordered vibrations. That's why it makes sense that God would speak or sing the universe into existence.

[David Lee Corbo]

Because.

[Ed Mabry]

And that's one of the many reasons why I believe in the Bible, because it's the only information source we have that matches what quantum physics has shown us. It's the only one that says that the universe was spoken or sung into existence, which matches what we know from quantum physics, that our universe is made of ordered vibrations. And when you get to the song, the song aspect of it. Yeah. Let me make this point out and I'll. I'll let you go top. And that is if you've looked at the. The work of, I guess the Japanese scientist by the. I'm gonna mess up his name, but that's like Hashimoto or something like that. Forgive me if I screw that up. But he did this work where he had. He played music and, and saw how those vibrations affected water. And. And I'm sure you guys have heard.

[David Lee Corbo]

That you've seen like cymatics, right? You could do the same thing with like sand or salt.

[Ed Mabry]

And it makes these beautiful patterns when it's music more, much more so. But he said if you spoke words of kindness, if you spoke words of loving words, affirmations, it made great patterns. But music made amazing, beautiful, complex patterns. So I think that goes into what you're saying. Raven, it's something about music. Something about those harmonics.

[David Lee Corbo]

Think about that too.

[Ed Mabry]

A higher level.

[David Lee Corbo]

We talk about that.

[Ed Mabry]

I'm sorry, Lucifer. He. What was his job before he fell? He led the worship songs.

[David Lee Corbo]

So. So our realm is made up of patterns, right? They're fractals.

[Ed Mabry]

Right? Spirals.

[David Lee Corbo]

So. So if. If speaking creates a certain degree of patterns, but then singing creates exponentially more patterns, more complex patterns, more interconnecting patterns, then man, I mean that also just given the nature of our realm when we observe it. And it's. And it's fractal nature.

[Top Lobster]

This whole.

[David Lee Corbo]

As above, so below, it's like what you. On the macro, you will also observe on the micro. How would you achieve such a level of. Of dynamic patterns? Well, singing. Yeah, I guess.

[Ed Mabry]

Think about. Think of how songs affect us more so than words. Think about how you feel when someone's giving you a speech. Oh, yeah, exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yep.

[Ed Mabry]

Versus someone singing a beautiful song. It affects you completely differently. I mean, you can. I was. I was listening to a song. I mean, I'm. This is just. I'm not promoting this particular person. I like his music. He's a relatively new singer by the name of October London. That's. That's the kid's name. And he. He sounds a lot like Marvin Gaye. Who. You know, my parents grew up listening to Marvin Gaye. You know, I. I was listening to him as. As I was a kid before he died. He had this amazing voice. And so this guy. So. And, and so hearing Marvin Gaye sing takes me back to my childhood. And this new singer, October London, who sounds a lot like Marvin, he has this song out called Mulholland Drive. And I know that because that's in Southern California, where I grew up. Mulholland Drive is this area and it's above Beverly Hills. And if you. If you're on that drive, you have great views of like the mountains and the oceans. And listening to the lyrics of that song, it just took me back to my childhood. I. I had this just amazing nostalgic feeling just from this music. It affected me. It changed my mood completely. And you guys know that your favorite song changes your mood. The song that you and your wife, you know, had maybe at your wedding, or that your favorite song, it just. It can change things completely. So I think music has an amazing effect, not just on us, but on. On reality.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that's one of my. I guess like the genesis of my looking into this, I guess. So when you look into the frequency, you're looking into the supernatural Which I didn't realize at the time, but I was playing guitar in the church with. That's where I met my wife. And I became obsessed with this idea of perfect or relative pitch. So I bought a bunch of books about it. I read about it, and there was this one guy that he had, like, an. It was a podcast before podcasts were really a thing. And he had an audio series, and I would listen to it over and over. I listened to it when I slept. I'd internalize, like, middle C and things like that. But what I noticed, what I really think that I learned from this the most, is that I was like, this guy is putting me in a trance. And. And then I realized quickly, like, I wasn't political at all, but I was like, oh, Barack Obama's doing the same thing. He was the president at the time. And I'm like, but he's not singing to me. He's only talking to me. But it's. It's the. The timbre in his voice, and it's the inflections and that he's specifically choosing, because this guy has perfect pitch or relative pitch, which is. You know, it's just the ability to choose a note and then choose the accompanying notes or. Or be able to, like, identify them at least. But this guy, I think he had it to a much higher level. And I think that Barack Obama. I think a lot of people do. They're, like, singing to you even when they're speaking. They're choosing these inflections, important, importantly, in an important manner. And people become seduced by it. You become entranced by it. So I'm like, that was my genesis of realizing, oh, my God, what are they doing here? This is a. There's something more to this.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is like. I was just going to say it is. It is imparting a lot more information, music in particular, than. Than it looks like on a surface level. Like, if you read lyrics, you. You kind of are left being like, what the is this even talking about? But when you hear them through the medium of the music, it's like a. It's like a. A delivery vehicle for exponentially more information somehow. Directly, yeah, if done correctly. Because the music has, like, an emotional connotation, and it's. It is like a manipulation. But what it does is it takes something that on. On pen and paper looks very simple, and it makes it incredibly dynamic when it hits you, when it. When you receive it, and then all of a sudden, it's full of meaning. That's very, very interesting.

[Ed Mabry]

Yes. I want to say something that's going to piss a bunch of people off, which is great.

[Top Lobster]

Here we go.

[Ed Mabry]

I'll get that second. That'll be the second part of what I'm going to say. The first part is like what you were saying top, that there are certain frequencies and I, I have no musical talent whatsoever. I don't play an instrument or anything. But I was reading about how these, these certain frequencies, like, I don't know if it's. You can correct me on this. Like 433 versus 4. Like, like apparently at some point in the past, like 100 years ago, all, all instruments were tuned to a certain frequency, like 430something hertz and then 432. So okay.

[Top Lobster]

So the way that the piano works is that that's how you're gonna, that's how you're gonna like tune most instruments. But middle A was tuned to 432 hertz. So it would vibrate for, let's just say 432 times. And then the next A would vibrate twice as much and then so on and so forth. That's how you get it. And then all the notes in between would have their corresponding vibrational numbers. That 432 was moved up 8Hz to 440 by some people say like gobbles, like a Nazi scientist. But then that's. That's also disputed.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay.

[Top Lobster]

But it's a strange one. And it's what, what's strange too is that Even though it's 440 today, the standard, the concert pitch, if you go see somebody play violin, like a, an entire chorus playing violin and you know, trumpet and stuff, they're tuned slightly sharper than 440. They're like 442. For whatever reason, it's just a concert pitch standing. Concert tuning standing. But yeah, I don't know. I don't know why they did it. It.

[Ed Mabry]

They.

[Top Lobster]

A lot of people say it has negative effects.

[Ed Mabry]

So that's what I've heard. I've heard. I heard that if it's, if it's at that right pitch, not only does it have a positive effect, it can actually heal you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Because our bodies are mostly water and, and, and you know, and it can actually. Those frequencies can actually that bring that harmony and actually heal you. Whereas the wrong frequency can have the opposite effect. So you have people who are, and I say the entities behind them who are doing damage with it. Remember I said that, that the fallen one, Satan, the Nahash, he was, he. He Knows music. It said in Ezekiel 28 about, you know, he had the, the, the, the. The. The timbers and all these melodies that he would. So he knows music and he also knows the effect of music. One thing I want you to think about is the next time you watch a news show, a newscaster, they all speak in the same pitch, male or female. Have you noticed that every female newscaster has a deep voice?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, there's a standard to it. And it's a. I mean the, the.

[Ed Mabry]

Preacher like the pisses people that's going to piss people off because they do the same thing. That's. When you said Obama, it reminded me of that. And what they're doing with that tone that the newscasters use, the cadence is meant to put you into a trance. It's meant to hypnotize you and make you more susceptible to whatever they're talking about. That's why they're all trained at some point to speak in this exact same timber, to use that exact same tone to speak in the, this tone. And in the news today you have. They all do it, male or female. And you rarely find a female newscaster who has a high voice. They're going to have a lower voice, a lower pitch to their voice. And some preachers use the same cadence and that. And they. And Obama used the same. Obama sounded like a preacher. I mean, growing up in a black church, I'm like, oh, but this dude, someone taught. Someone took a Marxist and taught him to speak in. In the tone of a black preacher. And that's in. I'm not saying how he got elected. I mean, he had. He's very charismatic guy, very good speaker. I totally get it. But he was speaking in that tone, in that. And if you remember towards the end of, of, of Kamala Harris's campaign, when she was, when it was pretty clear she wasn't going to win, if you notice, she started doing that same thing. She started. She kind of. She had a bunch of fake accents, but she would. She started doing the preacher's cadence.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Yes. And I think that's what she was trained to do.

[Top Lobster]

What's his name? Stu Peters did that to me. And, and I was like, aware of it, but I'm like, I'm also aware that I'm not going to do it to, to the people listening here where he will go. He said something like, you know, Donald Trump is doing this and he's doing it on purpose. And I'm like, okay, I see the delayed pause there and then pick up what you're doing to me. So there's like, there is a, that's a cadence, but then there's also a frequency to the voice where I'm like slightly sensitive to, which I think Obama just perfectly nailed. Wouldn't be surprised if better or for.

[David Lee Corbo]

Worse, it's like human beings. We talk about this recently too. There's like a giant percentage of population that is susceptible to hypnosis, and then there's like a smaller percentage population that you just can't do it to. And I think that, not to say that that cadence itself is bad, but it is a way to hijack that part of the mind that is susceptible to hypnosis. Well, there's a rhythm. There's a lull.

[Ed Mabry]

There is. There is. It. It gets you into, it gets you into a susceptible state that allow. Opens your up, it, it down, it downgrades. Or, or it rather disarms your critical thinking, the critical thinking portions of your brain. So you aren't.

[Top Lobster]

Disarms you, Ed.

[Ed Mabry]

Sorry.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it disarms you.

[Ed Mabry]

It is, yeah, exactly. It completely disarms you. And that's why politicians use it. And that's why. Here's the part that's going to piss people off. That's why a lot of these TV preachers use that cadence. Not only do they use a cadence. So dude, if you watch, I don't recommend you watch TV preachers, but you'll hear them. And, or, or just even preachers of a lot of, of large churches will. They'll say no, touch your neighbor and say blah, blah, blah. That. Because again, I, I, my background's in psychology. That's where my, my, my education is. That is a form of mass hypnosis.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

You say a word, combine it with a touch, and now you are hypnotizing the crowd. You just tap your neighbor and say, God's going to give you blah, blah, blah. You are. That. Those are massive gnosis techniques. That's not, that's not accidental.

[David Lee Corbo]

That does not work on me. When I go to a church and, and they start doing that, I, I become not like very unco. But like, I'm not, I cannot suspend whatever this mechanism is that keeps me an individual and, and, and won't allow me to become like something else. Where, because really, when you're dealing with like a mass hypnosis on that sort of a scale where you're doing it to entire an entire room, you're creating almost in that scenario, a hive mind. And I can't detach from the individual and then become part of the hive mind. So that stuff always makes me not. It just makes me uncomfortable.

[Ed Mabry]

Comfortable.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's just weird. I feel very weird.

[Ed Mabry]

We. We. Another thing about frequencies. We resonate to the frequency of other people. And the more people who are there, the more we resonate. I mean, you go to. I think I talked about this when Sam Tripoli and I were right before I was doing one of his shows. We're having a pre discussion, and I was telling him that you've noticed, and he's noticed this. As a comedian, if other people are laughing, you're gonna laugh, and you may come. And afterwards you might get. That wasn't even that funny. But you. But you. But everyone sinked into the same frequency. And Sam was like, yeah, I need to make sure someone's funnier comes on before me so that their people already synced up into laughter.

[Top Lobster]

But he was suggesting it too. Like, Dave Chappelle does it. He'll tell a joke and he'll go with his mic. He'll go and slap it on his leg. And then that's. You laugh now.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what he's talking to you.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And they go, oh, everybody laughs. Like.

[David Lee Corbo]

And Top talks about this all the time, too. When he used to play in the church, you were like, the same way that an opening comedian warms up the crowd and gets everybody in that frequency is the same way that you would describe warming up the crowd to get ready to, like, receive the word of God.

[Ed Mabry]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

You're. You're getting everybody in this. And that's what I'm saying. It's like, I don't think that that practice is innately bad. It's just like when somebody else with bad intentions realizes that they can do that to people. That's where the problem slips in.

[Ed Mabry]

But how you use it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. Maybe there is a proper mechanism, a real good reason for us to slip into that state of mind.

[Ed Mabry]

Right?

[Top Lobster]

There's like, the practice just is. And that's really all there is to it. Like, that's what we've been discovering on the show. Like, I know the guy Donnie Darken called us. Called me. What did he call me? Being New Age truth. I was like, no, no, these things just are.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

I'm just saying that they are. They. But. But they can be used in many different ways. But they do exist. So to act like they don't is kind of stupid. And, yes.

[Ed Mabry]

I don't know. It's about how you use it in intention and understand that, again, the best lie is sandwiched between two Truths. I was on another podcast with someone. They were asking me, do I believe in manifestation and like the law of attraction, all that kind of stuff. And I said, and, and do I recommend it for Christians? And I said, here's the thing. You have to take the practice and separate from the intention or the corruption. Because he. Because he was saying. Because someone was on his show saying that Jesus spoke about manifestation because he had a. He has a. There's a verse where Jesus says, when you pray, you know, I'm paraphrasing pray as if believing it already happened and it will happen, happen. Well, that sounds a lot like what people manifestation say. Like, no, Neville Good Goddard and you know, Jose Silva and all these people who are into manifestation, they say the same thing. Don't, you know, don't talk about it like it's in the future. Say, like, if you want to be rich, say I, I am rich now. I'm currently rich, I am wealthy, I am successful, blah, blah, blah. You say it in the present tense. And he says, isn't that what Jesus said? Well, under. What did Jesus actually say? He said, when you pray, right? So it's not just. But. But. So that's the truth. But if you are in New Age, you're not going to put that part where praying to God, you're just going to say, well, just you can think of it. You can pray to the universe, which is paganism. So the truth is, yes, when you pray, believe, have faith, as if it's already happened. But the, the lie is, well, you can, you can do that without praying, without having God involved, without knowing what God's will is. Because if you pray according to God's will, well, then, yes, God's going to, to do it for you, because he said he would. But if you pray to the universe or whatever and just speak in it and try to speak into existence without seeing, without having the other part of the conjunctive that Jesus said. Well, that's the corruption of it. So, Right. It takes a truth and wraps it and, and puts a lie into it.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's the same thing I feel when it comes to like numerology. It's like. Is numerology inherently evil? It's like, no, it seems to be some way that you can observe the realm that we exist in and determine that numbers play a huge role in it in a way that exceeds just random chance. And so is that noticing of those building blocks inherently evil? No, but I think what ends up happening is people realize they can manipulate them because they are the fundamental building blocks of this realm.

[Top Lobster]

Back to, back to the argument. I guess we'll call it an argument. He was saying, I was saying, like, hey, we're noticing that these guys are doing bad stuff. And he was like, that's exactly what David. Ike says. And he's this. And I was like, yeah, but they.

[David Lee Corbo]

It, but it is, but it does happen, right?

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So, like, I don't really know what to do. Like, should we just close my eyes and this never happened.

[David Lee Corbo]

That, that's stupid as far as I'm concerned. You know, my, my love for the truth is very synonymous with my love for Jesus Christ because I, I do believe that they are. He is the embodiment of truth and that we're not called to have such a passionate, burning love for the truth and then to not address it. You know what I mean? It's like, what is, what is the point in seeing the truth or what you think might actually be the truth and then not taking action on it? And that action could be as simple as just, just saying it, espousing it. Don't keep it in. Like, say the truth as you see it. I don't believe we're supposed to keep our mouth shut about it. That doesn't make any sense to me.

[Ed Mabry]

Well, you know, and all this might. If some people who are listening now might be asking, okay, well, how do I know the difference between the truth and the lie? How. And, and that is really the purpose of, of the Bible study that I do, which in the purpose of faith by reason in general, is helping you understand who God is and what, how he does and what his methodology is so that, you know that if something diverges from that, then, you know, well, I should question it. So, so you really need to know, I think we talked about this before. Like, you know, that how, how to detect a counterfeit. You detect a counterfeit by being intimately aware of what the real is. So if you see anything that diverges from that, then you know it's counterfeit. So. Yeah. And that's why I recommend just knowing God as well as you possibly can. And, you know, I try to help with that so that you can see, okay, this part of it is true. Yeah, believe. But you have to believe according to God's will. So if someone says you can just believe and it's going to happen, well, that means that, okay, let's say, you know, I, I, I'm married. I see a woman who's really hot, and I want to, I want to banger, and I say well, I'm just going to try to manifest that it's not gonna work because will for me to cheat on my wife.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

And if it's not God's will for you to be rich because not because he doesn't want you to have stuff, but because he knows that if you get much, a bunch of money, it's going to wreck you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

Then you're not going to be rich. And if you do want to be, then you need to change your mindset to the point where money isn't what you worship. It's just, you know, a tool, some freedom to get you to, you know, be your true self and do it and do what God wants for you. Then he has no problem with you having money. But if you're going to worship it and put it before him, then you're not going to get a dime. So if you want a bunch of money and, and you think that that's your destiny, then say, you know what? Money is just a tool for me to have the freedom to be what God's will is for me.

[David Lee Corbo]

I wonder this too. This is an interesting question from Teresa. She says, how do you take action? This is back to what we were just talking about with, you know, when you see the truth, what's the action that you take? And I don't know that it has to be action in the physical sense. We, we've already established how powerful, you know, being able to speak is. And so maybe, maybe it, it is enough in very many ways to tell the truth. It's like when a, when a martyred saint is proclaiming the name of Jesus Christ, he is telling the truth all the way up until the moment where he's decapitated. And we look at that and we go, that's incredibly profound and powerful. And so maybe that is the, the power is, if you see it, you're, you're meant to speak on it.

[Ed Mabry]

There's a conjunctive with that. And we get that from. We talked about this in, in this, in the Revelation series with the seven letters to seven churches. The, the first letter was to the church at Ephesus, and they were the church that, that they were great on doctrine, but they didn't have love. And, and Jesus admonition to them essentially was speak the truth in love. So you can speak the truth, but the conjunctive is speaking in love. And by that it doesn't mean, you know, having be, you know, have a bunch of just drippy, oh, I love you so much. No, love means giving without the expectation of getting anything in return. Basically, you're speaking truth to help people. You're not speaking truth to try to win a fight. You're not speaking truth to. To make somebody feel bad. You're speaking truth for their benefit. So if you're so speaking the truth in love is saying, I'm telling you that this is true and because it's going to be beneficial to you. So that's what, that's what I would tell the person who just had to ask that question. Speak the truth for the benefit of the person you're speaking the truth to.

[David Lee Corbo]

Everybody's getting caught up in this thing right now where it's like, because you notice one thing or another. That means what, what it means we have to organize. Does it mean we have to. We. We have to go out into the streets and we got to do, like, what do you talk. I think if you can get enough people to just tell the truth, then eventually it shifts the, the, you know, I get. I don't want to call it like the collective consciousness, but, you know, there will be a consensus, a tipping point. Eventually. If everybody hears the truth and sees the truth for long enough in a large amount, then it'll shift. We'll all shift as a species as, as humanity will focus on that.

[Ed Mabry]

The truth. Yeah, that's the point. I think this is where, where I'm led with, with. With that book I'm doing on the little season. It's what God convicted me of because I, again, I've been getting into battles with people, and that's not what he wanted me to do. He says, you can speak the truth, but speak it for the benefit. Don't speak it to try to win an argument, which is what I've been doing. I admit to this, and it was wrong of me. I had been just trying to. Whenever somebody would come at me, I would just, you know, speak. I would just say, well, here's how you're wrong. There's why there's no evidence. But I was doing it to try to win the argument. I wasn't doing it to try to help the person. So what I want to do with my book is, yes, I'm going to speak the truth about, you know, what's going on with this little season and all the faults of it. But I'm going to speak it in order to help people who, number one, who are confused about it, number two, who believing it, who believe it. I think it's harmful. And here's how, here's why I think it's harmful. And here's how I want to help you resolve the issue that I believe is causing you to hold on so tightly to what I believe is, again, a very harmful thing. So, so I had to change myself. I had to, you know, have some humility and say, you know, my, my motivation needs to be pure if I want God to bless what I'm going to do.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is great. This is JC who's one of our favorite people, and he says, I don't think it's the responsibility, responsibility of any individual to try to save the whole world. That was Jesus's role. We all fall short of Jesus. We can try to be a positive influence in our circle. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, that, that. I agree with that. Everybody's looking for the answer. What do we do? How do we mobilize? And it's like, just speak the truth amongst your people.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's. It's also okay to be like, I don't really know. You know that too.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

I'm just, I get questions all the time and I don't know the answer to all of them. But what I'll say is, hey, I don't know. I'm gonna do some research. Let me talk to some people who are smarter than me. I've got people in my circle, circle who, who are my mentors. And I'll go to them and I'll say, hey, I got this question. I'm not really sure if I have the right answer. Let's talk it over. But, but the, but the person who, who just put jc, Great, that was absolutely correct. You cannot change the world. But what you can do is plant a seed and you let God water it. I mean, that, that's biblical. And I mean, God says, you know, I, what the Apostle Paul was doing when he was establishing churches, he wasn't trying to, you know, save the world. He said, I'm just going to plant a church. He literally called it, I'm planting a church. And then God will water that seed and that'll grow. And then God gets all the credit and the glory. You get the credit for planting the seed. That's all Paul did was go around the Mediterranean planting seeds and, and obviously it's grown into, you know, the, you know, the, the church that we have today, you know, and he. Yeah, and same thing with Jesus. Jesus. I mean, this is one of the things I'm not going to get to the go to season stuff anymore. But Jesus was basically his ministry for three and a half years. He was only in Israel, this little area about the size of New Jersey on the coast of the Mediterranean. That's all he did. He preached to a few people there and he planted those seeds, which has grown to a worldwide church. And that's. So the point is, that's your job. Speak the truth in love to your circle, your influence. And if it's the truth that God wants to spread, he'll take care of it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah, that's. I, I think that's, that's in some ways why this show has grown in, in the way that it has is because we set out with just a bunch of questions and then as we went forward and, and some of those questions found answers, we discovered information that we, we found compelling. And, and we thought. It's not to say, I always say we don't have a, a stranglehold on the truth by any means, but we're not lying and we're just trying to show you what we suspect is the truth. And, and that's literally all this show is, is just taking in information and incorporating it into our world view and then turning around and showing people like, hey, I think this has some veracity to it and what a simple, you know, modality that has turned into something huge that reaches tens of thousands of people. So I would say in my own life, I have experienced just that if you plant a seed and it's a good one, God will water it.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah. Yeah, totally. So let's see. I'm just looking at my, at my notes, so I guess another thing to talk. So we talked about the poetry, we talked about how that works. And so let's take a step back to just getting back to where we were in the last episodes. We had the, the angelic rebellion, you know, these, the Elohim rebelled for, for, you know, those reasons. I think that they just. Again, the origin of, of sin, of, like you said, what, what it was top is missing the mark. But if you getting a little detailed into it, it's basically wanting something outside of God's will. It's outside of his plan for you. That's where that's, that's the origin of how sin starts. Wanting it isn't the sin. Doing it is the sin. So again, you know, Adam, Adam, Eve wanted to be like the Elohim. Wanting it wasn't the sin. It was like, okay, now because I want this, I'm going to disobey God. And that led to it. So I think. So whatever caused this fall of these angelic realm of the angelic realm. Some of them must have wanted something beyond what God had planned for them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Them.

[Ed Mabry]

But in any case, he takes care of it. He, you know, he defeats God. Defeats them. And now it says he was brooding over the face of the waters of the. And that term of waters is Mayim. It means, it means. Yes, it can mean waters, just like nakash can mean serpent in a certain context as a noun. But it also, it means the shining one. That's. So that's what Adam and you were talking to in the garden. They weren't talking to a snake, they were talking to a shining one. Mayim can mean water in a certain context, but it also, but it means, it also means, it means corruption. It means chaos. It actually, if you look at the actual. It's kind of vulgar when you look at the euphemism in Hebrew. It actually means urine or semen. That's what my name means in, in a. As a euphemism. So basically we say, you know, you're full of. A Hebrew would say, yeah, you're full of my email. So it's a negative, It's a negative connotation about my, my name. It's just this, you know, it's ungodly, this polluted, chaotic thing. So, so God is, is, is over the face of the Mayim. He's hovering over and he's brooding like, okay, this didn't work. What am I going to do next? And so there's chaos everywhere. This mime is everywhere. And, and darkness is everywhere. And so what God has, He says, okay, I'm going to replenish the Earth. And that's what, that's what the happens in the six days of creation. He is replenishing it. He's, you know, because the first thing he did, well, first thing he does, he brings light back into the world, meaning that his light was taken out of the physical realm. The spiritual realm is what it is. It's always a realm of light because that's where God dwells. But the earthly realm, the physical realm, was full of darkness and covered in this Mayim everywhere. Which is why I don't believe it was physical water, because basically the entire physical universe was Mayim. So it was something else. And, and so the first thing he does, he says, let's let there be light. He brings back light. But it's not all light like it was before. I think before this, the whole universe, physical universe, and the spiritual realm was all light. God said he separated the light from the darkness and he called the light day and the darkness. Night. I like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

God was crushing. He was. Dude, he was so.

[Top Lobster]

Still. Still crushing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Still crushing.

[Ed Mabry]

Exactly. So. So why did he make night? And I talk about this in the video in detail in the video that's going to come out next week. Well, what is the reason that. Because he knew he was going to create different living beings, he was going to create animals. And us, we need night to repair. That's what happens at night when you're. That's why you have to sleep. I mean, two things we can't go without for days. A few days. Water and sleep. If you don't. If you go for, like four days without water, you're gonna die. And we also know that if you go for more than four or five days without sleep, you will die. Why? Because sleep is where you repair. And if you can't repair, that's what life is. Life is the ability to repair. As long as you can repair any damage that's done to you, you will live. If you get to the point where you cannot repair the damage that's done to you, then you're dead. So. So that's a really important thing. He's making life that has the ability to repair. The angels didn't have that. They don't have the ability to repair. That's why angels can't repent. Repenting is admitting you're wrong and turning from it and repairing. So God knew I made a bunch of. I made entities that were, like, closer to me, that were all spiritual, that have all the knowledge, and they can't repent because they can't make. If you have knowledge, you're not making a mistake. You're doing it intentionally. So God said, okay, if I'm going to have these beings who are not perfect like me, and they're going to screw up, I need to bake in the ability for them to repair. Otherwise I'm gonna have the same problem I had with the angels who fell. So separating. So creating night means that we have the ability to repair. So that's the first thing he did. And the second thing he did on the second day. Now, I'm. I'm not gonna go any further than that. On this episode, he put in the firmament he create. He. He separated. The Mayim he created in firmament means. The word in Hebrew is. Is rakia. It means an expanse with a solid top. It's like, almost like a vault. So he created an expanse between myim that was on. On the over the land and the Mayim that was above the land. So that's what the firmament is. That's that expanse. And it's. It's a really. It's a really interesting topic. So when I do my Mysteries of Creation bonus video, I'm going to give my. My deeper thoughts on what I think the firmament might be. Because that, it's. It's really interesting. People think it's the Van Allen Belt. If you were a flat Earther, then, you know, you think that. Didn't you believe that, you know, that that is the. It's the expansive. Then there's Miami above us. And, you know, you have the flat plane on top, and then you have the flat earth on the bottom, you know, the flat plane that we're on. And I get it, because, honestly, I'll be. I'll be frank with you. The firmament makes more sense on a flat plane. I'm not saying that I'm completely sold on us being on a flat earth, but I. I will admit that the firmament makes more sense there. It can make more sense on a round earth as well. But, you know, again, I'll get into that more. But those are the things that God was doing. So God is doing is repair work. He's bringing light back in. He's making sure that his new creation will have the ability to repair any damage that they do spiritually and physically. And he's getting rid of the chaos. And I'll end with this and let you guys talk. If you notice, during the creation narrative, he always. It always ends. Every day of creation ends with an evening and morning were the first day, evening and morning were the second day. Now, does that mean, you know, sunrise and sunset? Eventually it would mean that. But remember, he doesn't create the sun until day four. So what did evening and morning mean? Well, the evening and morning in Hebrew are erev and bokor. What it means is going from chaos to order. Every day, the chaos becomes less and the order becomes more. And that came to mean. That's why, you know, the Jewish day starts at sunset, because evening and morning. And the reason that it became to mean evening and morning is because at night, time is a time of chaos as the sun goes down. Back in ancient times, there was no electric lights, so when the sun went down, you couldn't see. And predatory animals were out. And so it's chaotic. You don't. You don't have any control. But as you. But as the sun starts coming up, well, now you see, there's more order. Now you can see better and better as you as the sun gets higher in the sky. So evening and morning is going from a chaotic state to a more orderly state. And you'll see this, and we'll talk about this next time. The order of creation, everything gets more and more orderly. And he. And he ends it with the ultimate orderly creation, which is humanity, mankind, which is orderly because it has the spirit of God breathed into it. So that is the highest level of order that God creates. But everything else is lesser. So you see a progression of things becoming more and more orderly on every day of creation.

[David Lee Corbo]

I have a buddy, and he's in a weird spot with his faith right now. And I actually can't help him because I don't have, you know, much of. Of sort of, you know, biblical text is still a learning process for me. Like, I'm still in the middle of it, and so I don't have answers for him. But, but essentially what's happened is he has determined that Greek is the proper translation. It actually, how do I say this? It's a richer language. And it, and it, according to him, displays much more about a word than Hebrew or English does. The way he put it was like, he thinks that Hebrew or English only covers about 5% of what the. The translation actually means. And through one thing or another, he's determined that some of these Greek translations are. Are harrowing and upsetting. And I'm not even sure the nature of what he means yet because I don't have the ability to engage with this. This is like above my pay grade. I have to do a lot more learning before I can start to engage with such a complex topic. And I feel bad. I feel bad because he feels bad. He doesn't like what he thinks that he's learning. And like I said, I haven't even really been able to engage with what he thinks he's learning because I recognize like this is above, this is black belt, you know, and I'm still working on my blue bell. So I wanted to ask you in. In regards to translations, which one do you think is actually more dynamic? Hebrew or Greek?

[Ed Mabry]

Okay, good question. First of all, tell your. Have. Have your friend write this, questions his questions down and, and let me know what they are and I'll help where I can if I can't. Like I said, I have people smarter than me who I go to when I get stuck.

[Top Lobster]

He's translating the book of Bible, the book of Daniel in Greek.

[Ed Mabry]

Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Which I already told you makes no sense. It's written in Hebrew. I just don't. Yeah, you're going to get different translations because it's not the same language. So could extrapolate to anything. But that's one big flaw.

[Ed Mabry]

Right? A good point. Now, as far as Greek is concerned, he is correct with the New Testament because that it was written originally in Greek. And I. And, and you are going to get the fullest understanding of it if you look at what the words are in Greek. That's why I, because I have, I had a Q A a couple weeks ago that did on Patreon where I addressed the question of, you know what? Because I get questioned all the time, what Bible should we use? And I gave my thoughts on, I think, which I think are the most accurate Bibles. I say stay away from paraphrases like the message is the worst. And even things like the contemporary English Bible and so forth and so on. Because there are paraphrases of the King James. The more accurate ones are things like the American Standard Version, Young's Literal Translation. If you want to do study, I'd recommend the Amplified Bible. But I said more important than that is have a good interlinear source. Like online I recommend Blue Letter Bible. That's the one I use because it takes every verse and it will right next above every word or next to every word, it will give you the original Greek or Hebrew. You can click on it and then you get the definition of what that word means. So yes. So as far as the New Testament is concerned, Greek absolutely is. It is Greek richer than Hebrew? That's debatable. I think that Hebrew and Greek are two very, very accurate languages. And that's why, that's why I believe that God inspired the Bible to be written in those two languages. I mean, an example is in. Because our, our English language is extremely imprecise. I mean, like we have one word for love. I may have mentioned this before. I can say I love my wife, I love my dog, I love ice cream. Well, that's not the same kind of love, right? You know, I don't love my wife. They love ice cream. If I love my dog, I can love my wife. That's probably illegal in most states. You can't. But it's the same word. Whereas in Greek you have different words where you have, you know, you have agapeo, which is, you know, the divine love, the love you should have for God. Agape means to give yourself over to something. You have eros, which is romantic love. You have phileo, which is brotherly love. So there's all you have, you know, different Words for spousal love. So if I, so if I say, you know, I, I, I, I, I, I Eros, my friend say, oh, so you like to bang your friend because that's arrows. Is that kind of. But if I say, I file this guy. Oh, yes, that's your buddy. So you want you. So it's precise English, is not it? So English, you have to read a lot into it. But Hebrew is pretty similar in that, you know, Hebrew is a very, very precise language. So. And, and, and I guess it really depends on what he means when he says rich. I don't know. So have him define what he means by. It's a richer language. Yeah, but Greek and Hebrew are excellent languages. And he's probably. And I assume he's reading the Septuagint because the Septuagint is the Greek translation of the Old Testament that was done about a couple hundred years before Jesus, his first advent. And the reason was at that time, you know, the Greek empire had conquered, you know, the, the Mediterranean world. And the Greeks, you know, forced everyone to give up their native language and speak Greek. So Greek was a common language of the realm of, of that area. And so most of the Israelites during that time didn't speak Hebrew. And, but all the scriptures were in Hebrew. So they commit. So they commissioned this, this group of 70 scholars. And that's what the word septuagint means, the 70. And that 70 Hebrew scholars rewrite the Old Testament in Greek and that's where we get a Septuagint. And that's the Bible that actually Jesus quoted from. That's the Bible that Paul used. They used the Septuagint. So that is better than Hebrew. It's just, that's, that was just a common Bible in the first century. Go ahead, topic.

[Top Lobster]

Now, the guy that would, the guy that he's talking about is more, I guess he's, he's talking about that stuff, but he's also bringing up the idea of the demiurge. And he's having, he's having trouble, internal trouble, struggles with God being evil. And also Jesus giving sermons, uh, next to. With, uh, naked children. This idea, I'm like, I don't know, stick to, stick to exposing Internet personalities and not the Bible because that might be above your pay grade. It's, it's a little bit annoying and a little bit dramatic for no reason, which is what. We know what it is.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've seen this dude. He, he does really great research and he's been a buddy of mine on, on Twitter since I first got on there.

[Top Lobster]

I disagree. He does great Google searches. Good job you found out, whatever the case, a fan page for Donald Trump and also a page that says he's the Antichrist. That's it. Besides that, I'll be honest, you've been a annoyance to me. Not just because of this, but this is. This, this has been one of my final straws in dealing with this person where I'm like, I'm just not even going to talk to you anymore. And I had already told him, like, just forget I exist, because I think you're a homosexual in a, in a derogatory way, not because you actually do that, but maybe you do. I'm just, I'm just that I'm completely done with this person for many other reasons, but this is one of them. And I'm just extremely bored by the argument we were going to have him on to talk about something, and this is the subject that he brought up. No interest. That's where I'm at.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's my, my, my thing with it is I am a fan of his. I would say that. And I would also say that for a long time I've watched him, you know, defend Jesus Christ and, and put out pretty good information, especially when it comes to the whole B system and the harlot and everything, which is something that's not just unique to him. There's a lot of other people doing this research, but he does do. And from where I'm sitting, I might just be. But it does look like he does good research. And I just hate to see a guy that was about that for the longest time all of a sudden find himself in a place where he's expressing that this is. He's not happy about it. He doesn't like this, David, but I just don't have any ability to.

[Top Lobster]

I'm watching a guy that's a faceless, anonymous profile stir up drama on the Internet and claim he's one thing, and then all of a sudden bring up the worst talking points about the Bible that have been. Well, in my opinion, I mean, he's bringing up Adam, Adam Green talking points, and I'm just like, why, why am I even talking to this guy? That's. It's the, the only words I can use to describe it is gay. And I told that to it. But if he was in front of, in front of me, I tell it to his face. But I told him in private messages and I tell him online too, if it didn't get me banned, it's gay. Entire thing you're doing.

[Ed Mabry]

And again, I don't know this guy or what his research is, but it sounds like that he, or whatever research he's doing is mixing the Bible with a lot of paganism. That's the kind of stuff that, like that Billy Carson would do. And he would talk about the demiurge and, but, and what you're doing with that is you're taking not the actual scripture, not the original scripture, the, the Masoretic text or, you know, the, the text, the received text, or any of those years, which, which, you know, we can, we can date back to many, you know, a couple thousand years or more so that we have some confidence that they're, that the, the real text. I think he's taking some things that are, that are paganistic and mixing them in. An example of that, which I think I'm going to talk about in one of my bonus episodes, is the idea of Lilith, you know, being the first wife of Adam. And of course that's not biblical, but people will read that in and they say, well, you know, the Bible just. Someone exits out of the Bible. That's what I hear all the time. Well, you know, the, the Catholic Church or whoever took things out of the Bible or put things into the Bible and that, that, you know, that, that were, that we, you know, in order to, you know, just give us a different idea of what really happened. And again, I'm, I'm the last person who's going to defend the Vatican, but I would say they, they didn't do that. We know that because we have scriptures that are aged back to the time before Christ and that are virtually identical to what we have today. I mean, I think Wes Huff was on Joe Rogan talking about this. Like with the Dead Sea Scrolls, we have an entire, the entire book of Isaiah was found in the Dead sea Scrolls in 1948. And they, it's. And it dated to like the third century B.C. it was virtually identical to the book of Isaiah we have now. So all that corruption stuff, you can't prove it. But, but, but what they'll do is they'll take some paganistic stuff and they'll. That sounds similar to what the Bible says and they'll mix it in there. Remember what we were just talking about? The best lies sandwiched between two truths. So you have the truth of, of, of the original couple and then they throw Lilith in there. But that was Adam's first wife and, you know, she didn't want to submit to him, so God kicked her out of Eden and made Eve. No, if you actually look at the origin of Lilith, that's the. That's the paganistic Sophia, the goddess of wisdom. So what they did, they're just taking this pagan goddess and inserting her into this, into the biblical narrative and saying, oh, yeah, this was Adam's first wife. She was the wise one. You know, she was the first girl boss, basically that, you know, using the current vernacular. And Adam was too stubborn. He was a toxic. He had toxic masculinity. He says, I don't want this woman talking back to me and God, get rid of her and give me a nice submissive wife. That's not what happened. That's these people basically trying to. They have their agenda because they are, you know, believing in the divine feminine and whatnot. And if that appeals to you, and I understand it appeals to a lot of women, and it appeals to them not because of the truth, but because other people have twisted the Bible the other way around and saying, you know, men are dominant. Well, we're the smart ones. Women, you should always be under our heel. And if you're a woman, you're like, I don't want. I don't believe that. I don't believe I'm less than a man. Oh, here's this, this idea over here about the divine feminine and, you know, Lilith and her standing up to Adam and Adam kicking her out and as patriarchy, that. That resonates with me. So I'm going to believe that that's where you get into problems.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I just find myself in a weird position because you like to think that if somebody brings you a topic that is biblical and they, and they're, they're struggling with it and you make biblical content. And I know ad nauseam. I've expressed to people that I am new to this and I'm learning, but it feels very. To have this thing like I don't even want to engage with it because if I engage with it, if I bring it on the show and I just simply don't have the information because it's not what this show is really.

[Ed Mabry]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

We have people, they come on, they present information. It's very far in view in between that we give people pushback, we allow them to say their thing. Well, that format wouldn't work because I'm not going to allow you to come here and say those things without any pushback. But I simply cannot give you pushback. And I don't want to do it in an adversarial way. I wish I could do it in a way where I could be like, ah, see where you're coming from? I've got good information. Hopefully this will make you feel a little bit better. But I can't do that. I like, not, not because I won't do it, because I can't do it, because I don't have that information. I'm not, you know, privy to those sorts of things. I don't have an argument that will dispel that for this guy. And so it puts me in a weird position where for the first time so far I'm looking at something and I'm like, not going to engage with that on my show. Don't want to expose my audience to that, but I expose my audience to all sorts of things. But this one is just such a negative view of Jesus Christ that knowing that I don't have the information to push back on it, I don't want to bring it here. And even if we could push back on one or two of the things, who knows what litany of that this guy has been exposed to and may well have concerns. He's not saying this is definitively the truth, but this is what I'm seeing. What do you guys think? Which is the spirit of the show. This is what I'm seeing. What do you guys think? I think, and for the first time I think, oh no, baby boy. Oh no, not at all. But if I were to try to push back on a, on a, on an information basis, I don't have that information.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I think you're lacking discernment in even dealing with this person, David. This is like, like the reason I wouldn't talk to him is not because of the information that he's bringing, because I think it's garbage and I think it's been already debunked in many different ways. I mean, the reason I don't want to talk to him is because there is this, like, weird negativity. There is this aspect, this, this air of, of stupidity about this dude where he'll tell me straight up who I should talk to and how I should talk to them. Them. You're out of your mind, dude. Like I said, if you're in front of my face and you said that to me, it makes me legitimately mad. Like I would, I'd fight you. Don't do that. You're not welcome on here. I don't care what, really what the topic is at all. It was, I, I don't understand how that's not like passing across your filter here about what this guy's doing and what. He's also, what he's been doing for the last. I mean, the entirety of, like, me even knowing who this guy is is. It's just drama. It's just nonsense. It's. It's not what I do here. That's not what we do here on this show. We bring. Entering interesting conversation, not nonsense. So that's, that's as far as I'm. I'm concerned with this. This entire thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. I don't know. I think I, I probably give people more. What's the word? Like more rope? Yeah, more of a rope than, Than maybe a lot of other people do.

[Top Lobster]

How much rope am I supposed to give him, David? This is like his third or fourth strike with me. I played baseball like five strikes.

[David Lee Corbo]

What, what are we talking about saying? That you got to give him any rope? I'm just saying that if, if it wasn't him and somebody else bought this exact same thing across my table, I would have the exact same response, which is to say, I don't know how to deal with this. I'm not there yet, and I don't want to expose this to my audience. And I do kind of feel bad that I can't give you something that can help dispel it.

[Ed Mabry]

Here's my advice to him and to you, Raven. And it's something. I'm just basically repeating what I, What I've been saying, like most of the show. When I gave you the whole, the, the, the example of the, the counterfeit guy from, from the, the US Met when I went on my school trip there, and he said that, you know, he's an expert on, on money, but he does not study all the false fake money. He studies the real money. And if you know the real, then you will not fall for any counterfeit. And, and this is, I think, the greatest thing I can do to help, help Christians, believers, people, or even questioning know who God is, know what the Bible is. And then you'll know that that's not in God's character. You know, that it would not be in God's character to create a Lilith. I don't need to study Lilith. I don't need to study the Sophia. I don't need to study demiurge. I don't need to study Jesus talking to naked children. I know the character of Jesus. I know the character of God. I know it intimately.

[Top Lobster]

So by hearing that argument, that argument, it's like, it's so. It's it really annoys me, especially coming from this person. It annoys me as well, because again, if we want to just look at. Yeah, let, let's look at what, what it bears, what the fruit bears. Well, I'm looking at what we created here, and I'm like, this is pretty awesome. And I look at what you, what this person created, and I'm like, this sucks. I would never want this.

[Ed Mabry]

This is.

[Top Lobster]

This is a garbage existence of drama and constant catty nonsense. We don't do that. We are blessed doing this. That's the number one look at the fruit. The argument about Jesus, like, it's been, it's. It's not just been debunked, but it's so dishonest. It's kind of what Donnie Darken was doing here, just cherry picking. And he's doing it from the other side. You're cherry picking quotes from the Bible. I said, well, let's read the last two before that, Donnie.

[Ed Mabry]

And we do.

[Top Lobster]

It's like, so why were you using that to hit me with. When, when it doesn't mean that. So that, that verse about, about Jesus in Gethsemane, it's a verse about, about a bunch of people there. And Jesus is about to get arrested. It's about to go down. And they yank that kid so fast away from him. They all flee away from him because they want. First everyone's. Everyone's crowded around him. And then they realize he's in deep. I want nothing to do with him. And they pull that kid so fast that they pulled him out of his clothes. It's like cartoon. But also, at the time, they weren't wearing underwear. These people were wearing like cloth over there.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're wearing tunics, basically.

[Top Lobster]

It's fairly. It's fairly if you're not an. If you're not an idiot. And if you're not reading this to specifically say that Jesus was a pedophile, it's a wild. It's a wild thing to do. And that, like, not many things offend me when people. And they say a lot of crazy about God, a lot of crazy about Christianity and Jesus. But this one here, I'm like, enough. Just read it. And then you're gonna. It's. It's. It's just like crazy. Go, go read it. It's like Matthew.

[Ed Mabry]

Yeah, I'm sorry, finish up.

[Top Lobster]

No, go ahead, go ahead.

[Ed Mabry]

I was having an. I wouldn't even call an argument. It was, it was like, like you said with this person, it was like, you hear something so crazy. Like, you know what, I can't even do it deal with you. But this. I was talking to this woman briefly and she was trying to convince me that Jesus and the disciples were gay. Okay, well can you. What is your evidence? Well, they were all men and they all hung out together like, okay, so a man can't have male friends without being gay. Are you, do you have female friends that make you gay? Do you have male friends? Are you banging all of them? Do you realize that you can hang out with someone without putting your penis in them or licking your bean with them or whatever you want? You real. That is so dumb. How are you even. How can, how do you walk without falling down? How can you be that not smart, that unintelligent to not. But people are like that because like you said, topic cherry picking, they have an agenda already. Her agenda was I am pro gay, pro game. I don't care about that. I'm pro gay. So I want to make everything pro gay. And Christians are generally speaking not pro gay. Oh well, but if I can show you that your Lord and savior was gay, well then, right, that forced my agenda. And this person probably has an agenda that they're trying to forward.

[Top Lobster]

But yeah, no, he has an agenda. And, and you know what I was told by this person, I'm taking his advice. You should properly vet your, the people who come on on your show before you do it because there's consequences when they do come on the show. Well, I have, I'm taking your advice. I properly vetted and I'm not doing it.

[Ed Mabry]

You conversation that I had again with with Sam Tripley on, on one of the episode I was on with with him because we're talking about the purpose. That's when he actually joined my Bible study for, for a bit last year because we were talking about how, how do you know God? Because he was saying, you know, God's unknowable. Well, we can know him to the extent that we're capable of knowing him and that will tell us his character. And I said, look, Sam, I know, I know you from listening to your show. I know that you have a soft spot for children, that you would never harm a child. So if someone came to me and said, hey, I saw Sam at this pedophile party, I'm not going to believe it. Why not? Because I was there and could have evidence, but because I know you well enough to know that you would not harm a child. So if someone tells me that Sam is doing something to harm a child, I'm not going to believe it because I know your character. I don't have to do a bunch of investigation. I don't need to be an expert in every aspect of your life and know all your comings and goings, which I don't. You know, you're a private individual. But same thing with you guys. If somebody told me something that about you guys that was completely out of character, I'm not going to believe it. I don't need to be an expert on what they said about you. I need to be an expert on you guys. And I know you guys well enough to know that, you know, if somebody, you know, some people, I've heard some people talk, you know, crap about different people who are on. I'm not you guys in particular, but like other podcasters, I've been on the show, on their shows, and they're like, you shouldn't be on that. On that guy or that lady show show. They're this, that, and the other. I'm like, well, I don't. I don't see that about them. So that's the whole point of it. If you let me know.

[Top Lobster]

Let me ask you then, Ed.

[Ed Mabry]

Huh? If.

[Top Lobster]

So, if we have a guy who, what I know of him is just attacking people constantly on the Internet, stirring up drama, and then he's saying things about some. Somebody, something that I've known my entire life, which I know is not true, and what do I do about it then?

[Ed Mabry]

I mean, then that's. You distance yourself and say, exactly, exactly.

[Top Lobster]

I go. I go, yeah, okay, here are the personalities of something that I know and somebody that I also know to do. XYZ thing. There you go.

[Ed Mabry]

It's fairly simple. If some, if somebody has a pocket, and I'm sure they do have some podcast, some Satanist podcast, and who are saying things like Demiurge, I want to have Ed on my show. I'm not going on your show because I'm. There's nothing beneficial to that. I. I know that everything you're saying about God is not true. And I think you're only going to have me on your show to benefit you and to try to tear down what I believe. And my audience isn't listening to your show, so I'm not going to go there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

So, yeah, I guess your kids. This is probably just, you know, that that Top and Raven are like, you know, beating the crap out of their kids. Like, I don't know. I'm gonna question that.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm definitely beating the. Out of my kid. But yeah, I Guess it's just par for the course though, right? When, when you're dealing with something like this, I expect I'm going to run into people who have questions that I just simply don't have the answer for. But it. I, like I said, I don't even think it's really him. It's just the.

[Top Lobster]

There are no questions, though. You showed me. And I was like, yeah, like we've heard this argument before. What is, what's the question?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, and then, well, we had that discussion and I explained that, you know, they left in such a hurry, like it was literally like ripping this, this kid away and running. And he said, yeah, but the Greek translation for the cloth that was used on this child's groin was a very particular translation that meant medicated cloth, I believe. And then, and then that opened up some huge thing to like, pharmacia and all this other. And as soon as I saw it, I was like, I don't, I don't. Don't have the IQ right now to deal with this. And so I just left it alone. And then, and it's just kind of been sitting in the back of my mind a little bit, that's all.

[Ed Mabry]

And, and I know context because, yeah, the, the work can have several different meanings. We talked again, we just talked about Mayim. It can mean, depending on the context. It can mean water, it can mean polluted water, it can mean chaos. So you have to, so you can't just decide that it, it means one water in, in this context, because it fits your agenda. Look at the context of what is happening here. Again, same thing with nakash. If you're, if your context is, well, you know, the Bible is silly. Is a bunch of fairy tales. Oh, it's a talking snake.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Ed Mabry]

But. But also has other definitions. It can mean the Shining One. What makes more sense? What's me. What makes sense in a context? Do snakes talk? We don't have any evidence to take snakes talk, but we do have evidence from the Bible that Adam and Eve were part of God's council in the. In Eden. This will be on a future episode. They were part of God's holy council. They interacted with these angelic beings all the time. So, so they, they were interacting with another one. That's why Eve didn't freak out. If a snake started talking to me, I'm like, I'm out of here. I'm not talking to you. I'm not having a conversation. But if someone who I had to talk to before is talking to me, sure let's have a conversation. So you have to know the context. So whatever this cloth might mean, I'm sure in Greek it probably has several meanings. But. But if you know Jesus character that he's not going to have intercourse with a child, then you can eliminate that possible meaning if it even comes up because it doesn't fit the context. I know we're taking a lot. I know top is like, I don't want to talk about that guy anymore. I totally get. But I'm speaking generally to the audience. If you are studying with an interlinear Bible and a word has several meanings, make sure that whatever meaning you want to apply fits the context of the word. I mean, I get into that with, with the. The Little season because it's promoted by preterists and preterist. Their main verse is, you know, Matthew 16:18, where Jesus says, there's some of you standing here today who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man appearing in his kingdom. But that word kingdom is basalia or basilia, however, if you want to pronounce it. Basilia means royal authority. Now it can mean physical kingdom, if in the right context. And. And it would. And that would be a legitimate translation of that word. If Jesus was talking about his second coming and his in setting up his kingdom in Matthew 16, but he's not. He's talking about his authority to give rewards to people who live the Christian life. So he says, there's some of you standing here today who will not see death until they see me appearing in my royal authority. If you, if you look at that in context, Jesus says the. The Christian life will be difficult. He says, if any man will come after me, let him take up his cross and follow me. So Christian life can be difficult. He says, but there will be rewards. And, and when you die, I. You will stand before me. I'll be at the right hand of my Father, and I have the authority to give you that reward. And there are some of you standing here today who actually see me in that authority. And then six days later, some of them standing there today, that day. Chapter. Just turn the page. See him appear in his royal authority and as a mount of transfiguration. That's the proper translation in context. But there were several meanings of basalia. But you have to look at the one that's actually in context of what Jesus was talking about. And, and one that would make no sense if Jesus said, you know, the Christian life's gonna be difficult. I'm going to reward you. Oh, and by the way, when the second coming happens, you're going to be here. Wait, what? That's whiplash. Jesus. What. How did we get there? You weren't. It's not what we were talking about. So, anyway, that's just another example.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I'm glad that we. We dedicate as much time as we do to trying to understand these things. And what, what's clear to me is, you know, just given the context of some people dedicating their entire lives to this, and there's so much here to try to understand. So, you know, I don't necessarily feel bad that I'm still learning. It's just. It's just one of those things where it's like, you know, you'd like to be able to dispel some things when people bring them to you if they, if they do genuinely have concerns, you.

[Top Lobster]

Know, I get it, and I'm sorry for jumping down your throat. It's just, I don't. I don't like this guy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

If you're, if you're ever listening, don't ever come to me and tell me what I can and can't do and what I should and shouldn't do. If you ever do in my face, I'd punch you.

[David Lee Corbo]

You get that a lot. Dude, you do this. When we do this show, we get people that just, they, they, they scream at us on the Internet. Why did you platform this person or that person? At the end of the day? It's because we'll talk to whoever the we want to talk to. And that's.

[Ed Mabry]

And guess what, buddy?

[Top Lobster]

Not you. So now, like, that's. But that's your fault now I literally talk to anybody.

[Ed Mabry]

It's.

[Top Lobster]

It's almost. It's a fault. We talk to too many people. I'm tired. I mean, in the hospital. And then we talk to two people from, like, at 11:00 this morning, but not you, because now you've annoyed me. Me. So there was a line that I draw, and when I draw that line, it's. It's a hard one.

[Ed Mabry]

You don't have to listen to it. I mean, there are lots of podcasts I listen to and I'll see the guests, and I say, I don't really. I'm not interested in this guest. So I'll just wait for the next episode. I'll listen to that guest.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's the thing, too, is that people don't listen. They just. That's what you get a lot of. We got a lot of that for the last episode. That we did with that guy, Donnie Darkened. People said, why'd you do this? Why'd you do that? Why'd you platform him? How dare you?

[Ed Mabry]

Yada, yada, yada.

[David Lee Corbo]

You're an op. And it's like, if you listen to that episode for more than 13 minutes, you'll realize that it's just full of contention and arguing. It was not like our typical episode. So it doesn't matter, really what people think, because at the end of the day, they're actually not even absorbing your work. They're just bitching up at you, and then they won't do their due diligence to see what you actually said.

[Ed Mabry]

I would say that's a pet peeve of mine where I will get a comment on something I did, a video I did, or a podcast, and they'll write something. And I was thinking, you didn't even watch this, did you? Because I already, I addressed that already. What? In detail. Why are you asking me about it? You know, and my response is, go watch the video again. Because I, I, I already, I already spoke about it in vivid detail. So if you, if you're. And they'll say, well, I don't want to watch the video, just answer me like, no, if you can't be bothered to watch the, this, this video that I did a ton of research on, why should I be bothered to answer your question?

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what the good news is, though?

[Ed Mabry]

Come back to me.

[David Lee Corbo]

The good news is we reach so many people, especially in, in our case, it's like there's so many people that enjoy this show, and the people who and moan about one thing or another are the vocal minority. And I mean a real minority, because when you do the math on it, it's like, what do I get, five people a week who say something out of pocket that's a little bit agitating. And then when you look at it in the grand scheme of things, that's 0.05.

[Top Lobster]

Really, really nobody. But it's. It's always shocking when like, like after a while, you're like, you wanted, like, you wanted daddy's attention. Now you got my attention. I told you to shut up. And they go, oh, my God, like, I can't believe I've been calling you slurs for the last three weeks. And now you finally told me to shut up. And I was like, yeah, dude, enough. But it's like, again with, with the thing with this debate with Donnie Dark, don't ever tell me who to have on number one. Number two, don't tell Me how to address this person. I'm not gonna go and use weird, dramatic, underhanded tactics in what I didn think would be a debate, thought it would be a discussion. I'm not gonna throw somebody under the bus in. In that manner because you think I should. You don't have a successful show because that's how you deal with things. I guess I do.

[Ed Mabry]

Yes. It's like that guy who was like, who kept telling me to, hey, tell the Nephilim death squad guys to stop using the word dad.

[David Lee Corbo]

Now I have to use it more. Now I have to say it again. Yeah, yeah, that's. And that's what you get, honestly, with. When you come with this, with that sort of.

[Top Lobster]

But it turns out, it turns out that, you know, just letting somebody talk about their views might actually do more harm to them than, you know, slandering them, which is not something I'm interested in doing with the somebody that I invite on this show. It's not. Not a good thing.

[Ed Mabry]

One thing you said that I think is really poignant top is that look at the fruit.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Ed Mabry]

You know, are they growing? Are they. I mean, and that doesn't mean if you put out bad information, you're not going to. Gonna grow, because some people want that. Yeah, but are you making anyone's life better?

[Top Lobster]

You know, I wouldn't want that. I would. Would you want that? Would you want that for whatever. Every time you log in, I just have to go and look for, like, who's doing this and who. No, that's horrible, man. I can't live my life that way. And that's. It seems like, all right, this is what, this is what I want to invite onto my show. Absolutely not. But this is the la. This has been invited onto my show enough for the last 20 minutes. I just feel like we had to talk about it a little bit.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I'm. I'm sorry for bitching and moaning for the last 20 minutes. Let's. Why don't we get to this? Let's, let's. What are we. What are we getting into? Next time, Ed.

[Ed Mabry]

So next time, actually, what I want to do if. If everything works out is I'd like to talk about my. My book, my plans to have it published electronically by next week. And I'd love to talk about it. And it's really about the. What I'm calling the false apocalypse. And I think it's really poignant at this point because there's so much end times information out there by everyone and it's. And, And I, my opinion, and I, you know, back it up with my facts in, in the book, is that the, the, the opening of the six seals in Revelation chapter 6 is not the beginning of God's judgment. I think it's actually a, a con, a deception by Satan. And I think you have that. If you understand that, then it, that passage is going to make a lot more sense to you. And I think it'll really prepare you for what's going, what's, what is really going to be happening in the end times. And it really falls into what we see happening currently on the prophetic timeline. Whereas everyone knows, you know, this, this new world order that's been talked about for decades, centuries actually is finally going to culminate during this period of time. And, and I talk about how my, my reason for believing that and how it's backed up by the Bible, by Jesus's own words, and, and that in that passage. And I think it's going to cast in a whole new light and help people who have maybe read that passage. If you're into eschatology, you've read Revelation chapter 6100 times. I think it'll give you some new things to think about. Doesn't mean I'm right. But what it, but I think it cast, it reimagines it and it will allow you to ask some more questions and maybe take a deeper dive. So I'm gonna talk about that and next time. And then, you know, after that, we'll, we'll probably get into like this, maybe the following week if, if we can, if our schedule sync up, we'll talk about the actual six days of creation and, and what's going on in each one of those six days.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right, well, looking forward to it. And one more time, where can people find your work?

[Ed Mabry]

Faithbyreason.net that is the, the Legacy website. And I am really encouraging people to go to my Patreon. Yeah, that's the, the website there. Actually. I need to, I've got another video I need to put up there that I just put out on YouTube this morning. I need to have that on that side. But my, I'm, I'm encouraging people to go to the Patreon, not just because it supports me. I do appreciate the support. I appreciate my Patreons greatly. But that's where I'm doing all my interacting with people. That's where I'm answering questions, and that's where you're going to get the episodes first. They're going to go up there first. You're going to get bonus episodes that will not be on YouTube because I don't want any more strikes against me and getting kicked off. And you can ask, do ask me questions, and I will answer them in a video every week. And also, if you level up, you'll be part of the Bible study. And we talk a lot in this episode about the way to have discernment is to know the real the way. The best way to see a counterfeit is to be really familiar with the original. And that's the whole purpose, not just of the Bible study, but a faith by reason in general, to help you know who God is. His will for you, his personality, the way he does things, his methodology. So that if you see or hear any theory or if you have any thoughts in your own mind that are different than that, you can say, you know what? I need to question that. I need to look deeper than that because that doesn't match what I know. So the whole purpose of that Bible study is to help you really understand God through his story. Because that's how we get to know people. Not by learning facts about them, which is what most people do when they read the Bible. I wanna. I wanna know facts about, you know what, the meaning of love or faith, and that's fine. But the purpose of a story is to help you know someone. Because if you learn facts about me, you know where I was born, you know what, where I went to school, that doesn't help you know me. But if you know my stories, what I was like as a child, what my family was like, what my values are, what I was like in college, all those things, then you will know me and you'll know who I am and who I'm not. Not. The Bible is God's story. And if you know it well, then you will know him and you won't fall for anyone who presents him in any way that doesn't match up to the reality of who he is.

[Top Lobster]

Well said. Well said, Ed. All right, Sorry again about this. Has been like a weird week of episodes. Been like, people getting angry.

[Ed Mabry]

I gotta watch some of your stuff and see, because, you guys, I'm. I'm curious now.

[David Lee Corbo]

Watch the one with. With Donnie. That was a. That was a wild episode, like I said, much more contentious than anything that we've done previously.

[Top Lobster]

Also, in my defense, towards the end of it, probably after like, I don't know, an hour 10, I was just like, whatever, just talk. Dude, I'm not gonna. Yeah, I can't. I can't keep, like, getting talked over. Oh, whatever. This is a whole thing. Guys, thanks for coming. Thanks for showing up. This is the sixth episode of the Genesis series and we'll be back next week. I guess we're done this week, right?

[Ed Mabry]

It.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dave, are we done this week? I. I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

Are we.

[David Lee Corbo]

Am I coming to hang out with you this weekend or what's going on?

[Top Lobster]

God, I hope not. Well, we do.

[David Lee Corbo]

If I do come to. To your place, then we have to record an episode so we might see people. Maybe.

[Top Lobster]

I'll let you know. It's going to be up because my son is. He was in the hospital last night. So I'm going to talk to my wife and if she thinks that he's good, then we'll. We'll continue as planned. If not, I don't know what we're gonna do. It's been a. It's been a weird. We've. It's been rough. Well, it's been rough.

[David Lee Corbo]

Maybe we'll see you tomorrow. Maybe not.

[Top Lobster]

Maybe. All right. Oh, basically comply. Bye, guys.

[Ed Mabry]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because portrays the bigger picture of what and they have.