100: A New Alien Religion w/ Jay Dyer

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad: Episode 100 Summary – "A New Alien Religion" Featuring Jay Dyer

Introduction

In Episode 100 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosted by David Lee Corbo (also known as The Raven) alongside Top Lobster, the conversation centers around the intricate web of alien mythology, governmental deception, Hollywood's influence, and the potential emergence of a new alien-based religion. This episode features returning guest Jay Dyer, a renowned author and researcher in the field of conspiracies examined through a Biblical lens.

Welcome and Guest Introduction (01:19 – 01:57)

After a somewhat rocky start where Jay Dyer initially mistakes the podcast for another show, the hosts warmly welcome him back. Jay clarifies his identity, expressing relief at being healthy after suffering from severe diarrhea during a previous live event. The hosts promptly guide listeners to Jay’s platforms, emphasizing his extensive work and contributions to the field.

Brookings Institute and Early Government Awareness of Alien Disclosure (03:18 – 05:55)

Jay Dyer delves into a pivotal revelation from a 1960 Brookings Institute report, uncovered through Brenda Denzler's research in her book on UFO cults. He explains that the Brookings Institute recognized early on that disclosing the existence of extraterrestrial life could disrupt Western civilization's foundational Christian ethos. Jay remarks:

"The RAND Corporation putting out a paper, it was kind of tied to the idea of atomic nuclear disarmament... they've known this for a long time." (04:10)

He discusses how this acknowledgment has influenced governmental strategies, including fostering funding for the modern UFO mythos as part of psychological operations (psyops).

Hollywood’s Role in Shaping Alien Narratives (05:55 – 12:32)

The conversation shifts to Hollywood's strategic involvement in perpetuating alien narratives. Jay highlights iconic films like The Day the Earth Stood Still and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, emphasizing their roles in embedding alien mythos within popular culture. He points out:

"In The Day the Earth Stood Still, the alien character warns about global disarmament, pushing a message of total disarmament and global government." (12:00)

Jay argues that these narratives serve as psyops, subtly preparing the public for potential alien disclosure by normalizing extraterrestrial presence and agendas aligned with governmental objectives.

CIA’s Doctrinal Warfare Program and Alien Psyops (12:32 – 22:14)

Jay introduces the CIA’s Doctrinal Warfare Program, which aimed to use churches as instruments of Americanism during the Cold War. He connects this to the strategic portrayal of aliens in media:

"They were trying to build a new Alien myth at this time... it was a psyop." (13:45)

He explains how the CIA collaborated with entities like the RAND Corporation and movie studios to propagate alien stories, thereby creating a receptive environment for future disclosures.

The Influence of Psychedelics and Altered States on Alien Perceptions (22:14 – 35:14)

The discussion transitions to the role of psychedelics such as LSD and DMT in shaping human interactions with alien entities. Jay references John C. Lilly's work with MKULTRA and his experiments involving LSD-induced states where he claimed to communicate with extraterrestrial beings:

"When I would do high doses of whatever hallucinogen... I would see these entities and they would give me ideas for implantable chips." (25:15)

He draws parallels between ancient religious experiences, shamanism, and modern alien abductions, suggesting that altered states of consciousness have long facilitated interactions with non-human entities.

Media, Technology, and Public Perception of UFOs (35:14 – 50:00)

Jay discusses Cliff High’s predictions about upcoming UFO phenomena, influenced by AI-driven data scraping. He recounts High’s forecast of a significant aerial event, referred to as "Melee," likely involving both human and alien elements:

"Cliff High says the data is telling me 39 days after this event, we're going to get the beginning of what he calls Melee." (16:49)

The hosts explore how media portrayals and technological advancements contribute to public misconceptions about UFOs, often framing them within Hollywood-generated narratives rather than objective reality.

Historical Abductions and Government Deception (50:00 – 73:37)

Jay elaborates on historical accounts of alien abductions, such as those by George Adamski and Betty and Barney Hill, highlighting governmental interference and disinformation campaigns. He cites the documentary Mirage Men, which exposes how intelligence agencies like the Air Force Counterintelligence disseminated alien stories to deceive the public:

"They would find people that were perfect fits for giving disinformation... and disseminate a lot of alien BS." (19:05)

He posits that many abduction narratives are fabricated through deliberate manipulation, using individuals predisposed to believe in extraterrestrial phenomena.

Pop Culture and the Crafting of Alien Religions (73:37 – 95:33)

The conversation delves into how pop culture, particularly science fiction, has been instrumental in crafting a contemporary alien religion. Jay references Childhood’s End by Arthur C. Clarke and Star Trek, suggesting these works serve as modern scriptures that prepare society for a transformative alien encounter:

"They're building narratives, myths that people need... modern alien mythos is that they've given us AI and tech." (47:27)

He explores the notion that these fictional portrayals are strategically designed to align public perception with potential government agendas surrounding actual alien disclosures.

Celebrities, Mind Control, and Genetic Experiments (95:33 – 107:00)

The hosts discuss the manipulation of celebrities like Kanye West and Britney Spears, theorizing that such individuals are subjected to psychological operations and possibly genetic experiments to propagate desired narratives. Jay connects their struggles with public mental health and altered states to broader governmental control mechanisms:

"If they're running the alien, fake alien invasion scenario... they're building for some climax." (89:37)

He speculates on the use of drugs and technology to influence influential figures, thereby steering public belief systems in favor of established conspiratorial frameworks.

Predictions and Preparing for Alien Disclosure (107:00 – 103:52)

As the episode nears its end, Jay and the hosts contemplate the imminent disclosure of alien existence. They discuss potential societal impacts, such as the collapse of traditional religions and the rise of a unified alien-based belief system. Jay anticipates that media, technology, and societal readiness will play crucial roles in how this disclosure unfolds:

"They're running the alien, fake alien invasion scenario... they're pushing this as a way to unify the religions." (89:37)

Conclusion and Final Remarks (103:07 – 103:52)

In their closing remarks, the hosts emphasize the importance of awareness and critical thinking to combat potential psyops related to alien narratives. Jay Dyer encourages listeners to stay informed and vigilant, recognizing the long-standing efforts to shape public perception regarding extraterrestrial phenomena.

"They've been building for some climax... they were building narratives for over a hundred years." (99:55)

The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to conduct their own research and remain skeptical of mainstream narratives, advocating for continuous dialogue and investigation into the complex interplay between government operations, cultural influences, and alien mythos.

Notable Quotes

1. Jay Dyer at 04:10: "The RAND Corporation putting out a paper, it was kind of tied to the idea of atomic nuclear disarmament... they've known this for a long time."

2. Jay Dyer at 12:00: "In The Day the Earth Stood Still, the alien character warns about global disarmament, pushing a message of total disarmament and global government."

3. Jay Dyer at 19:05: "They would find people that were perfect fits for giving disinformation... and disseminate a lot of alien BS."

4. Jay Dyer at 25:15: "When I would do high doses of whatever hallucinogen... I would see these entities and they would give me ideas for implantable chips."

5. Jay Dyer at 89:37: "They're running the alien, fake alien invasion scenario... they're building for some climax."

Final Thoughts

Episode 100 of Nephilim Death Squad offers an in-depth exploration of the symbiotic relationship between government psyops, Hollywood's alien narratives, and the potential formation of a new alien-based religion. Through Jay Dyer's extensive research and analysis, listeners are encouraged to critically examine the pervasive alien mythos and recognize the underlying motives that might influence public perception and societal structures.

Transcript

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[Jay Dyer]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely. Oh, yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim shit.

[Top Lobster]

It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying shit. What happened to the. The home of the brave? Take control this now when no one's.

[Jay Dyer]

Talking about how they.

[Top Lobster]

Man, it's hard to be slaves and everybody's just walking around in the grave. By then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day.

[Jay Dyer]

Everybody is slave.

[Top Lobster]

Only some are aware that the government. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. And against his better judgment, we are honored to welcome back Jay Dyer. Jay, for the audience who might not be familiar with you, let them know where they can find your work and what it is you focus on.

[Jay Dyer]

I thought this was XG podcast. So I'm gonna have to leave. I thought, this guy right here is xg. So I'm not xg.

[Top Lobster]

That's not xg.

[Jay Dyer]

He came to you guys. I'm out of here.

[David Lee Corbo]

He was like, I thought XG this. I thought Bohemian Grove was XG Show. I'm gonna leave.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, my.

[David Lee Corbo]

Incredible.

[Jay Dyer]

I thought Sam Tripoli was xg. So I'm confused now. Who's who?

[Top Lobster]

I knew we were screwed as soon as we had. I looked at Jay's screen and I said, is that a tufted armchair you're sat upon, sir? And it is. It's a beautiful tufted. It is a power move. Look at him lounging, dude.

[Jay Dyer]

It's like, this is what you drink. Purple scissor up In.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. Yes.

[Top Lobster]

And I. I imagine you've had quite a few purple scissors on that one. That's. That is a beautiful sofa, sir.

[Jay Dyer]

I'm glad to be back with you guys. I'm sorry I couldn't perform cringe core at your live event, but I did have, actually, the worst two weeks of diarrhea ever. So glad to be with you and healthy.

[Top Lobster]

I felt terrible that you showed up. I. I gave you a hug. I looked at you, and I said, oh, no. Because it was just that you could tell the facial expression on you was. You were. You were holding it together.

[Jay Dyer]

I was hoping, hopefully I didn't pass my AIDS on to both of y'all.

[Top Lobster]

Since probably somebody got aids.

[Jay Dyer]

For sure.

[David Lee Corbo]

You can't get AIDS twice. So we're all set here.

[Jay Dyer]

We're all good.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right.

[Top Lobster]

We're all good, baby. I'm really excited to have you back, Jay. Yeah, let's toss up his. His links there. Of course.

[David Lee Corbo]

Go and follow J. Twitter, Rockfin, Big one Instagram. It's weird. Like, he has, like, so many followers. Like, why are you. Why are you hanging out with us? But, hey, you're.

[Top Lobster]

Here's better judgment.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Jay, you sent out a tweet, and most of your tweets are very interesting, but this one, I thought was timely. And you were talking about the. The Brookings institute in the 1960s. So I kind of want to just. Let's just hop right into this, because it's. This is, like, what's going on? I. I think it has something to do with everything, man. It's all connected. I got to put the red wires behind me, but please.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. So this tweet was from a book that was written by an academic that I came across a few years ago. Her name was Brenda Denzler. She wrote a book about UFO cults and the whole phenomenon. Excuse me. How there might be a religious component to a lot of this stuff and how it ties into alien cults, UFO cults. But I was actually surprised when I saw the candidness of that 1960 Brookings Institute report, which was basically saying that they knew back then that if they released or claimed to have disclosure, alien, you know, existence, alien life claims, that it would really undo the whole Western civilization ethos of biblical Christianity, etc. So they've known this for a long time. And that's just one, I think, key piece of data that I came across. I think I put that one in my second book when I was doing an analysis of a lot of alien movies. You Know, in my view, I think that people are more inclined to believe in aliens from movies and video games and all the propaganda that we've had since we were kids, as opposed to like actual, you know, proof or evidence for such things. And I didn't mention this to you guys, but I was on another podcast, we were talking about this. But it's actually in the Talmud that there's 18, 000 worlds that God created. So if you look up a lot of Jewish theology, rabbinic theology, they will say that they're big believers in the possibility or the existence of alien life. So it's not really part of the biblical story, but it is part of other traditions. I mean, you could say it overlaps even with ancient pagan traditions of the gods coming and visiting and this kind of stuff. Maybe the Genesis 6 Nephilim element does play into this in some way. But yeah, I think that there's a couple layers of deception going on. You've got the long term spiritual deception that goes back millennia back to the fall. And then you've got a more recent localized black ops deception that not just deep state actors like Brookings Institute, but actual CIA support fostering funding and like basically creating, I would argue, the modern UFO alien mythos.

[Top Lobster]

Interesting. That is something that we've been talking.

[David Lee Corbo]

Jump into it.

[Top Lobster]

Go ahead. Sorry.

[David Lee Corbo]

Jump into it with Cliff High, man. Because he just, he's talking about this dude. It's crazy.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I mean, I don't want to beat a dead horse further to death, but. But we have been talking about how everyone's perception of aliens, UFOs is prepackaged and given to you by Hollywood and by these various governing bodies, you know, aided in things that NASA disseminates. And so I think it's important to check in with people, especially on the cusp of what does feel a lot like some sort of government backed disclosure.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

That our opinions of these things, whatever they're going to show us, are not at all, you know, organic. They are entirely fed to us by what you said. Video games, Hollywood video games, certainly. I mean, it takes it to a whole nother level, especially when you consider after the 90s how gripped an entire generation, you know, millennials for certain were by video games. And that narrative, that alien narrative, there's no shortage of it. And it really fleshes it out, man. It gives a lot of really compelling theories to chew on things that sort of parallel gnostic or New age belief systems that already exist. And so, yeah, I just, I think it's a. It's really important to point out to people like you don't have an idea about what these are. Your ideas about what these are, are given to you.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, yeah. I think there's really, in my view, I mean, I'm always open to debating anybody who does believe in aliens. I've wanted to do an alien debate for many years. I haven't really found anybody who was open to doing it. But anybody who does believe that there are extraterrestrial, biological entities or whatever, I'm happy to do that. I tend to think that there is a spiritual thing going on that's going on on Earth. I agree with Jacques Valley, who was a government affiliated person, a computer scientist, working with, I think, DARPA and other entities before he passed away. But he's not even a Christian. He doesn't have any sort of, you know, spiritual sensibilities in that sense. And Bali was famous for saying there's some kind of large scale deception going on here because they're not from other planets, whatever this is. It's actually terrestrial. And he says that he thinks that there's basically a spiritual deception going on and a government deep state thing going on. So he's a very well known, famous researcher. In fact, Spielberg's Close Encounters of the. Of the Third Kind, that famous movie, which I think in many ways solidified a lot of people's thought processes on where aliens come from, what they are, as well as H.G. wells's, you know, War of the Worlds. This is a classic that I don't know. You guys have probably heard of the Orson Welles broadcast of H.G. wells's thing, which was a Princeton research project Psyops study, to see how people reacted to the announcement of alien invasion and alien life. And that was being studied. There was a whole book written by a Tavistock connected guy, Hadley Cantrell. He wrote a book, Invaders from Mars, on how people reacted to the announcement of a fake alien invasion. And of course, everybody believed it because the authority structures on the radio told them that it was a real alien invasion. So Tavistock learned a lot from that. These are all real people, real books you can look up. I put Haley Cantrell in my first book because you got somebody working literally with the Tavasog Institute about how people writing a giant book about how people react to a fake alien invasion, like in the 1940s or 50s. So every time in my experience that I look into people who are key players in these stories or in this mythos, for example, if we go back to the first couple famous abductees you have George Adamski. He's a wrote, he's into theosophy and Rosicrucianism. He has this wild story being abducted and ends up being very similar to a science fiction novel that's written around the same time. And you know, he's just this kind of weird like backwoods like he looks like a drug addict dude from, from, from the backwoods. And you're like why would anybody care what this guy says about abduction? Well, the head of the CIA cared enough to threaten to, to sue anyone who would challenge his story. So this propelled George Adamski's story into the limelight to be like the big famous first full on I was taken to the ship stuff. And then a few years later you get this weird civil rights activist couple who's also into the occult, Betty and Barney Hill. They claim to have another abduction story. They start an alien cult and they're also eventually called out as frauds too. So the big stories are generally bound up with a lot of deception and fraud and similar parallel to that at the same time.

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[Jay Dyer]

Apply Rank corporation put out a report call for, I think for the Air Force called Project Sign. And this is 1949 and a guy from RAN Corporation named Dr. James Lip was part of this white paper and he, he says this is the first official paper that they put out on this phenomena. And he says well although I deny the existence of aliens or any possibility of it, he says there's something going on here and it relates to nukes and atomics and disarmament and all this kind of stuff. So from the very earliest days, the RAND Corporation putting out a paper, it was kind of tied to the idea of atomic nuclear disarmament. There's a reason I'm going to explain why that is. I think even in this first debunking paper then you get not too long after that propaganda that comes out in Hollywood. For example, the movie Day the Earth Stood still, which. Everybody should watch that because that movie has this Jesus, like, character comes down as an alien. He's a carpenter. And then he warns everybody if you don't create a world government and if you don't disarm. And disarmament means in all, like, everything the UN wants, Right? Not just getting rid of, you know, ICBMS or whatever, but also you not having guns. Right. So it's total disarmament, socialist, New Age, you know, religion type of message. That's the point of that whole movie. That was a huge. Like one of the first big Alien blockbusters around the same time as.

[Top Lobster]

Or the world's.

[Jay Dyer]

And the message is international socialism. Yeah, that's the modern remake with Keanu, but the old one is so that you have this guy from the CIA consulting on it, if I recall CD Jackson, and CD Jackson's also the head of the Doctrinal Warfare Program. And the Doctrine Warfare program was the CIA's plan to get the churches in America on board with the Cold War, to make them instruments of Americanism. So the Gospel theology, all that, secondary to being a kind of soft power for. For America in the Cold War. Mainly they were interested in the Catholic Church because it was, you know, globally the biggest at that time. So they wanted to steer it towards Americanism. But the point is that the guy who's in charge of that church infiltration program, this is all very public, declassified stuff. It's called the Doctrinal Warfare Program. He's also consulting on Alien movies want. Because it's building narratives, it's building stories that myths that people need. I believe they were trying to build this new Alien myth at this time. And this is when 19, late 40s, 50s, sudden explosion of alien movies out the wazoo from Hollywood. And it's not accidental that not just C.D. jackson, but I think Xanak, like the other movie studios, they were also working with the oss, the Office of Wartime Information, to pump out these Alien movies. I think as a psyop, it seems.

[Top Lobster]

Like there is a lot of things. What I didn't realize that the character that Keanu plays in the Day the Earth Stood still was sort of a messianic figure or Jesus figure archetype. And what's interesting about that is I think it was like Alice Bailey, through the works of Helena Blavatsky, predicted that in 2025 or sometime after 2025 AD there would be sort of the return of Christ. And I'm only peripherally aware of that. I mean, you can Google it, you can See that it's within Alice Bailey's predictions. But we're in this really weird place right now where we have this drone incursion and you make of that what you will, but when you conjoin that with this annual pump fake that the government seems to do, the, the Pentagon talks about recovering off world craft non human biologics. They're using sort of coded language to I think, prime the public to get ready because you don't want to just dump it on them all at once. And now you have, you know, the federal government arguing with the local municipalities as to the nature of these things that are invading our airspace. And I can't help but look at it and feel like we are on the cusp of this final, you know, that this disclosure program coming to fruition and it's been a long game, dude. I mean you're talking about the 40s.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

The other day Top was talking on the show about the battle of Los Angeles and it just seems like for the longest time they do these things, they pop up in our, in our, you know, field of awareness and then they fizzle out into nothingness and it's, I think, reaching a critical mass. But there is a character and to my own detriment, I'm going to bring him up again while the chat goes wild, but camera's frozen, Dave.

[David Lee Corbo]

Just give it away, spirit fingers. There we go. This is crazy.

[Top Lobster]

I don't understand it. So there's a character named Cliff High who is a systems expert, a programmer, he writes code, he developed a web bottom in the early 90s and this web bot scrapes data off the Internet and uses it to make predictions. And one of the things that it predicted was this.

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[Top Lobster]

Joe Rogan Donald Trump interview and it labeled that as a pivotal moment, a temporal marker. If this thing happens, it's a significant moment in history and then this other thing is going to happen shortly afterwards. So Cliff High says the data is telling me 39 days after this event, this podcast we're going to get the beginning of what he calls Melee, and which I pronounce wrong and will continue to pronounce wrong. So this is supposed to be. Thank you, Melee. There's no way, Jose.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, wow.

[Top Lobster]

The Cliff High cucks are at it again. Shout out, Jose Galison. So basically this moment would be marked by an aerial event. Cliff High maintains that it's going to be alien in nature. You can make whatever you want of him. I'm highly skeptical of him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is also a CIA agent.

[Top Lobster]

Well, his father worked for the military and because of that they would have dinner often with CIA agents. So make of that what you will. Right. Especially if you consider that this is all a psychological operation that's been going on for the past 70 years or whatever it is. So, long story short, he says these drones that we're seeing in the sky that did in fact show up around the time frame that he gave us, one of them is going to be a human being element. The other two are going to be alien elements, which I would push back against because I don't think that these things are aliens, given the discussion that we just had about how none of our opinions of them are organic. They're all given to us by, by Hollywood and such. So I think that this discussion, trying to iron out the detail of these things, because I, I agree with you, Jay. I don't think that these things are. Maybe I'm misrepresenting what you said earlier, but I don't think that these things come from outside of our planet. I don't think they come from space. And it even seems that within the ufo, UAP community, in the past couple of years, they've become very comfortable with this narrative that they come from the. Either interdimensional or from our oceans or some sort of mixture of the two. And I think that right now where we sit, it might be an incredibly important time. We might be on the cusp of this big reveal. And the problem with that, Jay, is that if you haven't done your research, if you're somebody who never gave these things any credence, well, then you're going to be left at the mercy of the government to tell you what the truth is about these things. So, Jay, what are your ideas in regards to these entities? Because the way that they're presented to us is huge. It's like there's some abduction stories, there's some Hollywood stuff, there's some miscellaneous footage from maybe NASA that you are meant to give more credibility to, maybe the military industrial complex. Is pumping out, you know, jets. Encounters with these things. Where do you place them?

[Jay Dyer]

There's a couple things I would suggest everybody look at if they haven't. There's a great documentary called Mirage Men, which is an interview with a bunch of people who have been involved openly in disseminating the alien mythos story. People from intelligence. There's one of the most famous is Richard Doty, who was Air Force Counterintelligence. And he's a significant portion of that documentary in terms of the interviews. And he talks about the way that they would profile and find people that were perfect fits for giving disinformation to let them then disseminate a lot of alien BS. And he did. He did this for about two decades. And so they talk about two different people from 60s, 70s and then into the 80s. You get these new crop of characters. And it's a pretty fascinating pattern if you pay attention to it. So I would recommend also go back and watch the old interview that Joe Rogan did with Bob Lazarus, because he seems to be the more recent version of this choosing of people to disseminate information. The most most recent past Bob Lazar would be Tom DeLonge from Blink 182. And all of these cast of characters, when you all go all the way back to the. I think his name's Bob Moore. The boomer dude in the 80s that they chose, like Richard Doty is just sitting there saying, yeah. What we do is we basically find people that are really into the alien story who really believe it. They are typically profiled as kind of narcissistic, you know, feel like they've been not recognized types of people. We bring them into the military base, we tell them, you're special, you're going to be our ambassador. We made a deal with aliens. You're going to tell everybody that there's this concord, this pact that was made. So go forth, disseminate and. But keep a secret. And then they would even in some cases, like they would bring a general in, it would play a VHS tape of like some, you know, shitty Hollywood B movie type craft taken off. And they would tell these people this and of course they believe it, right? And the first guy that they chose was Paul Benowitz. He was like super boomer patriot dude who would never. Well, the generals wouldn't lie to me. So he for, you know, several years disseminated literally what Air Force disinformation wanted disseminated. The next character was that Bob Moore guy. I think his name is Bob Moore. And then they have Examples like LINDA MOULTON Howe documentary. Then we come up to the next phase, which is Bob Lazar. And now with today's we've got like Blink182 dude.

[Top Lobster]

By the way, didn't Bob Lazar actually say that he's not sure what they showed him that he was meant to convey in, in other words, like he doesn't know exactly what was real and what wasn't real because he recognizes there was some element that was fake and meant to, to spread the word, in other words.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly. And the, the reverse engineered alien technology story, that's kind of first at Roswell and it's just recycled. Right. From all the way back from Paul Benowitz up through all these characters. They kind of recycle the same stuff. And if you've listened to Tom delong, he says the same thing. He's like, they brought the general to me and the general told me all that. Well, they wouldn't lie to me. Right. Like, I mean, what do, what do you think military people learn? Like intelligence people learn first of all, too lying to see what are you talking about? It's just idiotic. Right, right. Anyway, so. And then you notice too, there's a lot of weird, like, scammy stuff connected to culty stuff connected to always. But yeah, so you, you know the Bob Lazar story. I don't, I don't have to repeat all that, but that if you listen, if you know Bob Lazar story and then you watch that documentary, you can tell they're doing the same thing in every decade, though. Like they're just picking these people to disseminate. So that's another for me, key indicator that I'm not saying there's no spiritual unexplained phenomena. I think there are, but a lot of it is this Psyops stuff. If you read the Collins brothers book. You guys should get the Collins brothers on, by the way. They're really good experts on the topic. Not so much of like the theology stuff, but specifically on the topic of the relationship between the CIA and the alien phenomenon. They wrote a great book called Invoking the Beyond. It's a really big thick book, but about the middle three or 400 pages is literally just dedicated to intelligence, CA, Black Ops, FBI, NSC, ONI, all these groups and their relationship to all this alien jibber jabber. It's called Invoking the Beyond. Anyway, they make a really good point too about a lot of these people kind of being chosen and crafted for, groomed for this kind of dissemination, deception. So that's a long winded answer, I know to what your quite your question was. What do I think about these entities? I do think that there are entities that are demonic that can pass themselves off as aliens. And so there can be a real interaction in that way. Because, for example, if you read MK Ultra, Dr. John C. Lilly's book, his autobiography, he says, you know, when I would do high doses of whatever hallucinogen, I'm going to the float tank, he's like, I would dissociate or I would get, you know, have out of body experience and I would see these entities and they would give me ideas for what types of implantable chips I was developing. So again, again, maybe he's bullshitting, but he's like one of the most famous MK Ultra doctors who developed, you know, RFID chips to implant into humans and monkeys and dolphins. He had a fetish for dolphins, by the way.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, jerking him off.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly. But, but I mean, in his autobiography he's literally saying, you know, I'm getting this, these ideas from aliens.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[Jay Dyer]

So the drug people too, like in the sphere of like, I've never done dmt. I've watched tons of interviews with people that have done dmt. Though if you watch a bunch of DMT experience videos on YouTube, you'll notice like half of them say, oh yeah, the Clockwork Girls told me, like, we need to create a world government, like, get rid of everybody, bro, and like save the earth or whatever, right? They always, they have a similar message. Yep, I had a bad trip when I was 18, 17 and I didn't get any like One World Government messages, but I did feel like, or believe I was interacting with this entity in my bad trip. So I can say that I think that does go on. Many of the other psychonauts like Tim Leary and others think that they're interacting with interdimensional beings. So this is also an element of it too, which I think is possible. Why? Because it's very plausible that if Alan Dulles, who would have been aware of the MK Ultra projects that were going on and the, the secret research into various true serums, drugs or whatever, if he's running cover for the first abductee, Georgia Damsky, it's very plausible that they could have been giving Georgia Damsky high doses of acid, flashing some lights in his eyes, right? He wouldn't know. I mean, just some like, you know, imagine your granddad, right, being given acid, unaware he doesn't know what acid is, right? Some like, country, your granddad.

[David Lee Corbo]

It didn't really even exist at the time. Right. It's just kind of like a government.

[Jay Dyer]

No, it wasn't known exactly. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

You know what's interesting too, Jay, and I wonder your thoughts on this. Not to derail you, but it seems whether you're in a, you know, float tank and you're commuting with something, or if you are in a DMT setting and you're communicating with something, you didn't, you know, a ton of dmt. There is this notion that these entities want to like give you something, they want to get you information, they want to give you how to do a technology, what you should be doing. And that's like it is Ryan here.

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[Top Lobster]

You know, Top and I, we connect that often to the idea that people of old, their, their deities would have been responsible for giving them like metallurgy or, or teaching them agriculture or something or another. Is always an information technology exchange.

[Jay Dyer]

Absolutely. And the other parallel I was going to make was so if you think about the possibility of, you know, black ops guys, CIA people trying to, you know, say unwittingly dose people and see what happens, that could very easily transition into creating possibly some of the first abductee stories. Right. Like they're intentionally, you know, dosing people, furthering them, putting out the myth like the other people who disseminate the mythology. I'm not saying they're all dosed with lsa, I'm just using the possibility of this with say Adamski. And also if you look at the parallels between what people who undergo ritual abuse say, right, like in the cases of satanic ritual abuse.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

They're very parallel to the stories of alien abductees and my booty got probed and all this kind of stuff and there have actually been people prosecuted. If you look up the BBC article, there was a guy who kidnapped a girl and drugged her and was using mind control techniques. The famous case, I think in the uk, he was like some Nordic dude Yawn something. And he got prosecuted and caught because he was using an alien mythology and drugging this girl, tried to brainwash her with, like, you know. So in other words, if, like, random, you know, science dudes are out there doing this, I feel sure that probably the CIA has been involved in doing this too. And if you think that they're beyond doing that. Well, I'm sure you guys have heard of Operation Midnight Climax, right? Where the CIA pairs up with some ladies of the evening to dose unwitting johns and to study their results. Like, you don't think they would dose some redneck dude, just, you know, let him think that he was being abducted. So I'm just posing that as a theory that there can be the demons and there can be demonic CIA dudes, Right? Men and black people, right? Yeah, exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. I tend to feel like. Tend to feel like it's a little bit of both. And it's hard to determine which is which. Which is why, like, I mean, it kind of really lends to them. If half the stories are bullshit, then you can kind of dismiss some of that stuff. But it also helps them because you're still proliferating. Their narrative is. Now the question is, is the narrative at the heart, is it true? And the more I look into them, kind of like it's a little freaky, but it does look like it's. There is something to this.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. Also, the. There's another angle, too, which is overlooked, that the aliens. The. The Collins brothers wrote an article a long time ago that was really good. I think it's part of the book now, but it was called Alien Smokescreen. And in that article, they were arguing that this was actually before Annie Jacobson wrote her book, which kind of has the same thesis about Area 51, that sometimes the military, black ops, they can use this alien crap as cover for black ops stuff, too. So that's another angle to this. To where, like, if they're bringing it, if the CIA is flying in, like, you know, planes full of cocaine. Right. You can have some kind of alien cover. Nonsense that distracts. The alien stories might also be useful for, like, covering technology that maybe that we don't want the Russians to know about. Right. So you put up this alien story. So there's a lot of other. It's called function stacking is what they call it, where they have, like, multiple uses for the alien mythos.

[Top Lobster]

Well, it's the same thing, like, when you never let a good. Whatever, disaster go untaken. I mean, I'm really paraphrasing here. But, yeah, it's that same kind of concept. I. I wonder too, because whenever it comes to abductee victims, there often is a human element. You know, you'll. Some people will return with some sort of recollection of, like, a military environment or, like a sterile sort of lab environment and also the presence of human beings. So.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, the men in black seem to show up.

[Top Lobster]

Right?

[Jay Dyer]

Are those the black ops operatives that are showing. You know what I mean?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And there's somebody that. I tend to give some credence to abductee victims, primarily because once you have absorbed enough testimony, you realize that there are through lines, there are patterns. And there's one woman in particular that sticks out to me. Her name is Karen Wilkinson. We're meaning to have her on the show. It's just scheduling issues. But she talks about. She's an individual who can remember a lot more of her abductions than, like, a lot of other people. And one of the things that she described was how she came across on a ship, a pile of discarded gray bodies, and that they smelled horrible, but they were inactive, and it was just a note that she made. And this idea has given rise, or further given rise to the idea that the grays themselves are a sort of automaton, like a biomechanical entity, not really living, but made up to some degree of biological material. And I just think that if you factor that into this entire equation, then what we're trying to do, split these things up into simple camps of, like, it's demons or it's aliens, it's actually a lot more complex. It seems there's a huge human element and a spiritual element. Right. We had Tucker Carlson recently saying that this UFO phenomenon has a massive spiritual element to it. And we in the west have been detached from our understanding of spirituality. So it seems like it's a. It's a multifaceted thing.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And it's been going on for a long time. And they've been. Honestly, for us to never get some sort of disclosure operation would make no sense, given the time and the. The. The money and the effort that has been dumped into this thing for as long as it has been.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I got a question, Jay. So it seems like you're well studied in, like, the history of these psyops from the 40s till now. Is it just because we're living through another one of these psyops that it seems like it's been ramped up to 10, or do you think that this is what we're witnessing now? This idea of like soft disclosure where they're just playing footsie with us, is that something unique that we should be worried about or. My mom, am, am I, my mom saying like, the world's going to end, you know, revelation 30 years ago.

[Jay Dyer]

My guess would be that they probably test the waters to see if the public reaction is at the point where they would accept it at a large scale. That's just my guess. I think a lot of things are teased to see how people react. Then they wait, right, to see if there's a better time. So my guess would be if they're, if they're really wanting to do a large scale announcement of disclosure, they could do that very soon. They could, you know, maybe it relates to inauguration or something like that. Who knows? Like, I mean, I don't think anybody saw, you know, KUF coming in the year 2000 when they rolled that out, which was a massive psyop. But I mean, yeah, I think, I think they probably do a lot of research on. They probably use AI too, to see, like, you know, how many people are reacting as if they think this phenomena is, you know, other off world stuff, how many of them think it's drones, blah, blah, blah. So they probably just wait until the, you know, tipping point of majority believe. Whatever. One thing I forgot to mention a minute ago that you guys will probably find funny is that you've heard. Have you guys heard of the Esalen Institute?

[Top Lobster]

No.

[David Lee Corbo]

No.

[Jay Dyer]

So this is like a. It still exists. It's on, it's in Big Sur, California. So if you go out to California, you drive up past LA to Big Sur, which is like, really, really beautiful area to drive through. Especially there's this big institute that was set up late 60s, early 70s called the Esalen Institute. And it's basically the think tank of the boomer, New age counterculture. Right? So basically they would have every prominent New Ager and person come speak there, like Aldous Huxley, Deepak Chopra, Carl Young has spoken there. Like everybody has spoken at Esalen. Yeah, it still exists. There it is. And it's like, wow, it is beautiful. It's really cool, that area. But, but so, but so I bought Esalen's official history like this. The book's over there on the shelf. But like they, they've had like Yoko Ono, John Denver, you know, celebrities come there all the time. It's basically just a big pusher for new age stuff. A lot of what Blavatsky was pushing a long time ago is kind of churned out through Esalen and in the 1970s, they were hosting all these lectures and ceremonies about how to have sex with the aliens. So they, they were like, they were pushing like. So this is just funny because in my mind, like, so the boomers are so into the alien psyop that like the first thing that they thought was, how do we them, like, where do I get alien ass? And that's. They're doing lectures on. So but to get more serious, like, there's actually an element of crolianism involved in this too because Crowley's whole cult was about sex magic and through sex rituals, basically getting possessed. So you have to keep in mind that a lot of the occultists also identify aliens as the gods and the demons. So you even, you even have this branch of like serious Satanists who think that it's demons and it's aliens and they're gods and we want to be possessed by them.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Jay Dyer]

And if you read. If you guys familiar with Childhood's End by Arthur Clark. No, you should watch the. It was the Sci Fi Channel made a series of it. You should watch it.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, Childhood's End. Yeah, yeah, I watched. I bought the entire season recently on, on Amazon.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, right. Okay. Okay.

[Jay Dyer]

There you go. Yeah, yeah. So basically I won't spoil it for you, but Corellan is the alien.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

He literally looks like Satan. Right. Like in the book, like I've read the book. Like he's portrayed as. Exactly. You see in the, in the show.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

And you know, they want your children and they're gonna, you know, like create a new human race and all this.

[Top Lobster]

But what do they do first? It's like they give us technology, they give you tags in a utopia and then they finally reveal themselves to us and it's Satan.

[Jay Dyer]

And Clark was in the circles of Crowley people, so he was like hanging out with it.

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[Jay Dyer]

I forget the lodge that Crowley used to have in Italy. Cephalou.

[Top Lobster]

That's where we got our first depictions of an alien. Gray, right, is from Aleister Crowley, the lamb that he would have, he would have interacted with. Yeah, I mean, this, this whole thing, it's like the, the government, the intelligence agencies, the UFO phenomenon and, and, you know.

[Jay Dyer]

Satanic, right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, satanic.

[Jay Dyer]

That's what I was saying. Like the SRA stud experiences, it's all hand in hand, very similar to like abduction experiences. And by the way, this is another element that probably you've heard people make this connection, but that something that occurred to me, I was watching a documentary one time on sleep paralysis and I was like, this sounds a lot like alien stuff.

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

So my, my grandmother. Actually, before we go there, I just want to let everybody know who's watching live on YouTube and, and rumble and Twitter, that we are going to cut the stream and we'll be heading over to patreon exclusively. Patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. We got to do some editing, but if you want to continue watching live, you can do so over at patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. Otherwise, just give it a few days and the stream will drop in its entirety on our various platforms. So we're going to end those streams now. On that note, Jay, My grandmother was a lifelong abductee victim, and it is interesting that she also kind of went down like a new aged occult avenue in her latter years, writing paperwork on remote viewing. She fancied herself some of a clairvoyant. But the thing that's significant is for the longest time she didn't know what was happening to her. She was just describing these harrowing experiences that we would identify as sleep paralysis. However, it wasn't until she was much older and got her hands on a book by Whitley Striber called Communion. And Communion is more or less an amalgamation of various abductee victim testimonies. And so reading those testimonies actually threw my grandmother into a. A bit of a spiral. But these things, yeah, they've always been intrinsically tied. And it's my understanding that the intelligence agency had a affection for Aleister Crowley, or at least the, the English intelligence agencies. I forget what you would call it, what their, what their CIA is called.

[Jay Dyer]

Over there, but yeah, he was an asset for British intelligence. MI6. MI5. MI6.

[Top Lobster]

There you go. Yeah. So these things, hand in hand, always, it's. I mean, honestly, when people look at conspiracies and they go, you could never. You can never have that many people in on a thing. You can never have that many people keep a secret. This is one that they have been working tirelessly at. And. And to your point, Jay, seemingly testing the waters every once in a while. Are they ready? How does the public receive it now? What kind of feedback are we getting if we run a light op? Is it time yet? No, not yet. And they'll pull it back endlessly. Patient, you could argue. It's kind of amazing when you, when you consider all that. But the meat of this conversation, which I'm. I'm really hoping we can make some sense of today, is really important to me because I, I mentioned before this character, Cliff High, and, you know, he's got these prediction sets, and one of the things that he says is we're going to see a time soon because of the presence of these aliens, we'll call them that as a placeholder for now, we're going to see a massive falling away from the world religions because people won't be able to integrate this into, you know, their world view. And because I guess it's just in our nature when we're overwhelmed and shown something amazing, we'll kind of like bend the knee and praise it, worship it. And next thing you know, we've got a cult around these things. And so it's very much his contention, along with a lot of other people. You have, by the way, Baba Vanga, who is a. A clairvoyant, a little babushka old lady from, like, some European country. She's famous for having predicted, like 9, 11, the death of Princess Diana, even her own death. She was blind woman, I'm pretty sure, but she predicted her own death down to the day and said that 20, 25 is when we're going to get aliens. So, you know, we're talking about. Go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo]

Let me. I just cut in because I was trying to find the scripture before where we were talking about these weird overlaps. But in the Bible, the Book of Job, chapter 4, verse, verse 13 and 14, this is the. Where he's almost describing sleep paralysis as a phenomenon. And he's talking about in the thoughts from the. From the visions of night, when deep sleep falls on men. Fear came upon me and trembling, which made all of my bones shake. And this is like that vibration feeling that people get where you're stuck. And then the next scripture says, then a spirit passed before my face and the hair of my flesh stood up. So it's like he's describing an event again that is very alien, like. Like where you're stuck, you cannot move. Maybe a demon sitting on your chest, looking at your face. So it's like the same thing. Constantly just retold, repackaged, reskinned, but continue.

[Top Lobster]

Sometimes I think that the.

[David Lee Corbo]

The.

[Top Lobster]

The acid can put you in the right state of mind for them to do whatever it is they're doing. But I also think they have technology, frequency technology that can put you in a certain state that'll make it more conducive to having. Because sometimes it seems like these experiences aren't necessarily physical. Although they appear physical, they seem to happen in a different realm. I'm wondering if it's because they are just, you know, putting you in a state of mind where now you're in a spiritual realm. And I think that they're doing this with this. This technology. It's like a. What would you call it? A frequency emitter. It's a low heart attack gun. Ultrasound or. Ultrasound. Yeah, I think it's like an ultrasound technology or something like that. I'm probably using the wrong word, but. So bringing it back to the core of this discussion, I. I worry about people and their inability to make sense of what they're seeing. I don't feel that way, but I recognize that a lot of Christians would feel that way. A lot of people of a lot of different religions would feel that way. And I think that they. It's only because of the narrative. I see these things through a much different. A spiritual lens, an ancient lens. What do you. What do you make of this. This idea? Right. We've called the episode a new alien religion. So there is a lot of predictions that are saying that this is coming. Can we unpack that a little bit?

[Jay Dyer]

And how you read. You read my mind, because that's where I was going to go. And in fact, if you go to my. My first book, which came out in 2016, there's a whole section, when I did about 100 pages. The. The whole second section after Kubrick is Spielberg's Android Space brothers. And so basically, I just went through the whole history of Hollywood, like aliens mythologizing. I know we've kind of moved on past Hollywood, but what I usually do in the books is tied into the stuff that's going on in the culture at that time. So, like, you had A.C. wells, like, you know, writing this kind of alien stuff in the. In the, you know, teens, 20s, 30s. But then you get, in the 1940s and 50s, a lot of really popular science fiction writers, like, you get Heinlein and you get Hubbard and you get even Edgar Rice Burroughs, and they're writing a lot of science fiction that is helping to Craft this new myth, this new religion. In fact, HG Wells even said that when. And he was the key propagandist of that of the era. He was like the granddaddy propagandist before Edward Bernays or any of these people. He was saying that we're going to basically create and craft a new religion. A lot of people don't know. He has a lesser known book called God the Invisible King. And in that book, Wells says that my God is Lucifer and that's the God of the new era that's coming. So keep in mind the guy who says in God the Invisible King, that the future God is Lucifer. Exact same thing that Madame Blavatsky says, who's also in the same Fabian Society as he is. They both say the God of the future is Lucifer. He says we're going to bring this about through us, the scientific elite class, crafting and creating a new religion for the future. They've actually written multiple books on that. They will craft the new religion of the future. It'll probably be based around some alien mythos, because what's the big thing that H2 wells like, crafted? The alien mythos. We have an external threat, and only a global government with a global religion pushing it would save us from this external threat.

[Top Lobster]

Who was the president that said. I often, you know, daydream. Who was the president that talked about, oh, Reagan.

[Jay Dyer]

There you go.

[Top Lobster]

There you go. Yeah. So this has been there forever.

[Jay Dyer]

Also, part of this is the mythos of Darwin, because a lot of the Darwinists over the years, especially the famous ones, Watson and Crick and others, right, the founders of the DNA helix, like, they pushed the Panspermia mythos. And a lot of the alien science fiction stories push the Panspermia mythos. Are you guys familiar with that?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's the same thing that Zachariah Sitchin is talking about with the Anunnaki, this idea that they created us. They altered us from primal sort of monkeys into this really effective slave class.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. The real gods are the aliens, and we're their genetic experiment. And the story is they seated us here like a garden, and they've got to come back and, you know, see how we. We. How did we breed? Do they need to cultivate and cull the garden? So that always ties into some kind of a mythos about, you know, depopulation. And point being here is that transhumanism also also ties into this because a lot of the mythology of the alien, modern alien stuff is that, oh, they've given us the AI and the tech. Yeah, kind of like childhood's end. Kind of like V. Not V for vendetta, but V. And so they have to, you know, are you humans our pets? Are you gonna handle this wisely or.

[Top Lobster]

Do we need to come archetype?

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

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[David Lee Corbo]

What. What started his ban was Kanye posting swastika inside of a Jewish star, which was supposed to be offensive because it's like, oh, Nazis and Jews.

[Jay Dyer]

It's Rael.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's. It's a Raelian sign. And then you consider like, you know, Elon and Jesus. What's the guy's name, the Nazi Warner Von Braun that wrote the book, you know? Yeah, it's just kind of like, it's a lot. And then the transhumanism aspect with neuralink, I'm just like, too many red flags are going up with this guy.

[Top Lobster]

Jay's talking about what's this guy L. Ron Hubbard? And it's like he's, he's. You want to talk about somebody who's up Aleister Crowley's ass? L. Ron Hubbard is literally pars.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Literally hanging out with Parsons. Yeah. Literally in the desert, you know, trying to. Whatever it is, the Babylon workings or some like that, like, it's all these things are so. Honestly, I, I love what we're talking about here because if you listen to this and you can't see this, you're. I got nothing for you. If you can't see through.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is the place for you. If you're. You're at the right show.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Also welcome. All right, let's continue. Sorry, Jay.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, no, I totally agree. I mean, I've just, like, when I did my analysis of ET, like the whole point of ET is getting, you know, 80s kids to fall in love with aliens. Like the, and, and everything that ET does. I'm not saying it's. I mean, as a movie. It's a movie, it's entertaining movie. But if you go back and think about it from a propaganda standpoint, like, the whole point is that, you know, ET's basically teaching him these occult powers and practices. They're actually linked because everything that Elliot's doing, E. T is doing, they're experiencing. They have this mystical bond. And then before E. T leaves, he like touches his. It's like Adam and Eve. Yeah. Adam and God in the, you know, painting. And he touches his third eye to awaken him. And so like in my, in that chapter, I put the lamb. That's. That's Crowley's lamb. Right. That's supposed to be the quote, entity that he channeled and contacted when he was having his channeling sessions.

[Top Lobster]

Gave us the scaffolding for our modern day alien. Great. You know what's also interesting is we were talking in the last episode about how In Stranger Things 11's name, she goes by L. Yes. And how that's significant because of Elohim. And it's funny that Elliot is another one.

[Jay Dyer]

L. Yeah, there he is, like, touching his third eye to initiate him. Right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. Nasty finger.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, God, I wish we weren't so steeped into, like, just occult symbolism everywhere we go. It's. It's kind of gross.

[Jay Dyer]

Dude, have you seen Close Encounters, man?

[Top Lobster]

I don't know if I've seen Close.

[Jay Dyer]

Oh, you guys should watch.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, from that movie, though.

[Jay Dyer]

You should go watch it. Like, it's. It's crazy because just. I'm not gonna spoil it, but basically, Richard Rifus is just like this regular middle class dad, and he starts having these premonitions and visions and ideas that, like, aliens are contacting him. And so he gets this, like, crazy idea that he's got to leave his family and go join an alien cult, basically. And then there's these other people who are the chosen who also do the same thing. And of course, Spielberg, like, laces this with actual psyops and cover ups. Like, there's real information going on in this, but it's promoting the alien mythos because it's all about, like, the new religion of the future is this, like, alien thing that's coming. And. Yeah, it's okay to, like, leave your family and your kids and all that because you're chosen and you're. You have a higher calling, which is to this new future alien religion. It's wild. If you go watch it, what do.

[Top Lobster]

You make of when you. All right, so you have like a gary Wayne's Genesis 6 conspiracy. And it becomes a very contentious point for people within the Christian community. But, you know, to use that as your baseline to say there is some precedent for these other entities that are worshiped by various cultures around the world actually having been these watchers that were cast out of heaven who rebelled against God. And if you look at the world through that lens, admittedly there is a lot of things that click into place. It becomes easier to understand other religions because you kind of go like, oh, okay, like the Vedics, if they were really worshiping fallen entities, like, honestly, that's profound. Right? You would be blown away if you saw these things. It's not that they didn't exist and these people are out of their minds, but it's that they were subjected to something that was deceiving them and was far in excess to anything they had been exposed to before. So throughout history, if you use that as your baseline, it would seem that these things are in a continuous quid pro quo with humanity. We will give you knowledge, information, hidden arts, various things of that nature in exchange for what could arguably be reduced to genetic material. Right. Because if you take into consideration Gary Wayne's theory, it seems like there was a real effort to muddy the genetics of, of humanity by creating all these kind of chimeric creatures and, and offspring nephilim and things like that. But that idea of an exchange of technology and information for genetic material, you can see that echoed in the abduction phenomenon.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I mean, you see it echoed here by. You were just talking about Esalent. Do you know how far they got with having sex with these things?

[Jay Dyer]

I know, I think.

[Top Lobster]

Did they Nut did they not?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, this was just like boomers wanting to like, have a orgy. They weren't really. They were just discussing it, so they didn't really do it. But I mean, there is that idea that like, could the, you know, fallen entities, the Watchers, the nephilim, could they then seed offspring? I tend to think that the purpose for the flood was to stop that. So I don't believe that that's continuing in my view of the theology of that. I don't think that. I mean, is it possible that you could have a return of these entities to try to continue to do that? Maybe God would allow that at the end times or something. That's possible. I don't know. So I don't have any hard set view on that. But I don't, I don't think that amongst humans there's like a tainted like genetic serpent seed or anything like that. I, I know you're not saying that, but I disagree with the serpent seed thesis a lot of times. Some of the alien mythology, cult stuff. I know that's not what Gary. Gary is saying, but sometimes this can play into like the, the Fed angle of like the Christian identity movement. Who uses this? And if you go back to like, McVeigh when he was involved in Elohim City, like, that's part of the mythos that they had at Elheim City was this Christian identity serpent seed idea that like other races, other people groups are genetically damaged people groups. And some of the alien cults have also continued that the Raelians, for example, have this DNA genetics component. They claim to have cloned people. I personally, I don't believe that. I don't think they've actually cloned people. I'm a skeptic on a lot of Those kind of, like, human cloning claims. And I'm also a skeptic on the hybrid chimera claims. I know Alex is a big believer in that. But I just. A lot of, like, a lot of science is just total, like, the scientism claims. So I'm not saying that I know that that doesn't exist. I'm just saying that I don't trust the people telling me that there's clones and chimeras. And also when you look into it, like, remember when they grew an ear on the back of that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

That was all fake. All they did was, like, insert ear cartilage underneath the skin of a mouse. And then when it was, like, still there for a while, they were like, oh, look, we grew an ear. I mean, I just. A lot of science is so. I don't know. I just literally don't know. Like, quantum computers. I don't know if. I mean.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

When I listened to the explanation of the quantum computer a couple weeks ago that everybody's raving over is like. And we've. We've now proven that it could pull from the other universes. The multiverse is proven by the. Nobody's actually seen this quantum chip, right? In the public sphere, there's no way to actually prove that it's pulling information from another dimension.

[Top Lobster]

To me, it's what Tripoli said on it. No, Tripoli had. It's just one of those moments where it's like. It's. It's right there in front of your face. If it. If this new quantum Google computer solved this problem that another quantum computer would have taken, what was it? It was like billions of 18 billion years. How the fuck do you know it's true then? How do you know that the answer is the right answer? Yeah, it's so. It's right in front of your face, dude. It's like they.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like, fucking steal the bike, Tyson. Where he's like, oh, you know. We looked at the black matter, and it's there for sure. But, like, every time we look on it, we have to shed light on it. And it moves. You've never seen it, but. But it's there.

[Jay Dyer]

So there was a straight story. Have you heard the story of, I gotta find this clip? It's probably totally scrubbed or it'd be impossible to find. I've actually seen the clip. It was a real clip. So William Shatner was invited to this, like, tour of NASA, right? And they showed him all this stuff, and he met all these astrophysicists and all this stuff. And, and the funny thing is that I kid you not. So after all this, like William Shatner's like, he's like. They took me around and I noticed like everything that they were telling me, everything we're doing is just like Star Trek. He's like. And he goes, he goes, they're just doing science fiction. They're doing the same thing we did on the show. So he literally says that in his vantage point of after this tour of NASA that they're just doing like sci fi.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

So I'm very skeptical, I'm not saying.

[Top Lobster]

Because they laid the groundwork, dude. They showed us all these concepts in Hollywood and now they're like. By the way we're executing them. Yeah, it's.

[Jay Dyer]

Did you know, do you know who consulted on the show? Star Trek. The old one, the 60s one.

[Top Lobster]

No, I don't.

[Jay Dyer]

The Rain Corporation. Why is the Ran Corporation consulting on Star Trek?

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[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

He's always in an altered state and he is getting his stories from his dreams. Given that so much of science fiction is consistent with other side, and obviously there's ways in which it's not. But given that there is so many elements of science fiction that is consistent from one author to another author, and given the fact that we have these ideas for artists channeling oftentimes.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

Or being in some sort of altered state while they're getting this information or claiming to have gotten the idea for their amazing works in a dream. I can't help but wonder to what extent these things are. These ideas are being conveyed to them.

[Jay Dyer]

And not actually or entire religions. For example, Muhammad believing in the hadiths that he was possessed because he would fall over and have convulsions and foam at the mouth. Literally, it's in the hadiths. And so he. Yeah, he thought. He thought he was possessed and he's getting these revelations and then they were like, no, no, you are actually a prophet, so. No, I think, I think you're absolutely right there to say that. Yeah, you can definitely get these influences from that domain, from that dimension, that realm. Many of the people who claim this claim that. Right. Like.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Jay Dyer]

It's not just John C. Lilly, it's. It's a lot of other people that claim that. I mean. And I mean artists too. Right? This goes all the way back to. So Plato has a lesser known dialogue called Ion. And in Ion, he's. Socrates is going out and interviewing local Greek musicians and poets. And the idea is, you know, who should we follow in life? Should we listen to the statesman, the politicians, the philosopher, the poet, the musician? And that dialogue's funny because he comes to the conclusion that the musicians and the poets are possessed. And so they're actually going into these altered drug states or altered states of consciousness through other means, getting inspiration. And he's like. And they're insane.

[Top Lobster]

He's like, that's hilarious.

[Jay Dyer]

That's what. And so that's part of the reason why in the republic, Plato's republic, like poetry, music and this kind of. The arts are super controlled because Plato believed that if you allowed the artists and the poets to run society, like, everybody would just go crazy and insane because they're okay.

[Top Lobster]

But that's where we are, Jay. No, I mean, look, liberalism has a real affection for the arts. You could say that they're more closely related than like conservatism.

[Jay Dyer]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

And so we have now existed for some time in a period where the liberals, the artists are allowed to call the shots. And what do we get? We get debauchery, immorality. Yes. Yeah, I guess he was right.

[Jay Dyer]

And one other point on the drug element too. So when we did our Vegas event on the way out there, we had a lot of time to read. And so Jamie and I were on the whole drive out. There's like two week drive. We were reading the K, the recently published Cambridge companion to Western Esoterism and Mysticism. And this was really, actually a really good book because it was an academic approach to the ancient mysteries. Kabbalah, medieval mysticism, hermeticism, alchemy, all the stuff you theosophy, all of it. And the chapter on the ancient mysteries is really good because they. Now, I'm not saying I automatically believe academics, but it's always good to get their analysis. They are, they are thinking now that even the ancient Greek mystery religions, like the Dionysian Mysteries and the Orphic mysteries, that actually the process of the ritual initiation involved a culmination with high powered hallucinogen. So I would say probably, and I'm not saying all religions are the result of drug use. I mean, some people in the atheist sphere make this argument, but there is, I think, something to this point of a lot of religions do use drugs. I have a, I have multiple books on the history of shaman. I'm talking, not conspiracy books, but like the history of shamanism, history of ancient Hindu religions and others. Like, I think drugs have played a key role in a lot of world religions. And I don't think it's accidental that the initiates in the Greek mysteries are called the Misti. Like they're taking these high power hallucinogens and talking to the gods. Why are we getting. If all the world religions are potentially many of them, we'll say, let's say most of them are using drugs and they're talking to the gods and the gods are telling them it's time to sacrifice your firstborn. It's time to have a, you know, one world empire and worship us. We love you.

[Top Lobster]

Put this in your butt.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly. Put these things in your butt. It's all the same message. And guess what? It's the same message today, right? Like it's not. It's a no brainer.

[Top Lobster]

It seems like drugs are a good way to thin that veil, create a sort of a spiritual portal. Dr. Jerry Marzinski, who's somebody whose name we can't stop saying, says that in his estimation, methamphetamine best mirrors schizophrenia, which he has, after all his time in the field, decided that schizophrenia is demonic influence. And he's saying that, you know, drug use dependent on which drug depends on the severity of the opening that these things have access to you through. But it also seems that another way to do it, we're talking about satanic ritual abuse. There's a, I guess you know, more than one way to skin a cat. It seems that trauma, especially childhood trauma, right. Does fracture the mind in such a way as to Create an opening for these entities and we're, you know, the medical apparatus would dismiss it as, you know, schizophrenic chemical imbalance in the brain. The consistencies in dealing with these entities. There's too many patterns. It seems like they have personalities even. They are, you know, actual living entities living in. In whatever sense of the word. But I just find that interesting because the drugs are really a gateway and they'll do it quickly. But it seems the trauma, if done correctly, will create a lifetime of interacting with these entities. Whereas you might be able to do dmt, slide out of that realm and hopefully not have to talk to a machine elf again.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, and in John C. Lilly's book at the. One of his other books, the one called Programming and Metaprogramming in the Human Biocomputer. Again, remember this is like one of the most famous MKULTRA doctors. He worked to develop implantable chips for the Navy. And so this is like a legit dude. He's the one that had the dolphin fetish. At the end of his mind control book he says that he was also experimenting on children to see if he could through things like LSD completely reprogram a child. He admits this in, in the summary at the end of the book. I mean it's pretty. I mean when I first heard this, I didn't believe it. I was like, he wouldn't admit that. I've got the book right up here. He does the very end of the chapter, the book, he admits it.

[David Lee Corbo]

So he tried. What were his findings?

[Jay Dyer]

Well, he doesn't say how successful it was. And also that book is almost unreadable. It's like, it's really weird. Like it's, it's. I don't know half of what he's talking about in that book and I don't know if any. Anybody really does.

[Top Lobster]

He's using to describe it or say what. What is it that makes the book difficult to. Because he's such a.

[Jay Dyer]

He's got like all of his own like, like language. Let me see.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, that's not helpful. If you're trying to read a book and this dude's got his own language.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is that your wheels on it, Jay? Jesus, dude.

[Jay Dyer]

No.

[Top Lobster]

Unbelievable. Another flex look.

[Jay Dyer]

So here's the book. I think it's still like you can find the PDF if you don't want to like buy the actual book. Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Programming looks like a Dixie cup. Human biocomputer. It doesn't like. It looks like that old school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that. Your what are those called? The little sheets of paper are also color coded to the book's cover.

[Jay Dyer]

That's accidental. So as you can see, this is, it's not a conspiracy book. It's an actual like, you know, academic publication. Here.

[Top Lobster]

What would it be under the, like a psychological analysis by John C. Lilly.

[Jay Dyer]

It's just called Theory and Experiments. I mean like the first chapter is lsd. Like the first chapter is his mentioning of lsd, self hypnosis. Like he said, it's like zero level external reality. Like it's all this kind of just like unknowable gibberish.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, quantum, quantum, quantum, quantum every time. Like you're just saying, too smart for you to understand.

[Jay Dyer]

Like here's an example. So here's a diagram at the back of the book where he's talking about. These are supposed to be, I think, levels in your mental program. Like it's laid out like a computer program. He's saying the human is like a computer. So there's like the base program and then there's programs on top of programs.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, so there's the underlying program that's running in the background and then there's the ones that augment it and then.

[Jay Dyer]

You'Ve got all this kind of gibberish like the hypothalamic in short and the central gray short. So I mean half of the shit you had no idea what he's talking about.

[Top Lobster]

However, the last chapter he's like, turns.

[Jay Dyer]

Out he's like, so you. Yeah, you want to know what it's really about? I'm like messing with kids.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, look at, it's all underlined. And it's like very important self organizing aspects of computer programming and programs are now conceptually reasonable and real and realizable in modern non biological computers. Good God, dude.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, look right here, right here in the child.

[Top Lobster]

Hold on, let me make this big real quick.

[Jay Dyer]

In the child.

[Top Lobster]

In the child, automatic metaprogram, implant, implantation or externally forced meta programming persists as metaprograms below the levels of awareness in the adult can be controlling for the latter. Adult programs, adult thinking and adult behavior energy can be taken from some of those automatic meta programs and transferred to the self medic program with special techniques and special central states. Thematically.

[Jay Dyer]

No. Chemically evoked.

[Top Lobster]

Chemically evoked. Chemically evoked. Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

So he's saying like you can do this to kids and it still controls them when they're adults. This is one of the top MK Ultra doctors admitting this, right?

[Top Lobster]

That's incredible.

[Jay Dyer]

And if people think that's crazy. Well, remember Alfred Kinsey, funded by the Rockefeller foundation, was like molesting kids through all of his experiments for years.

[Top Lobster]

And you got to ask who's facilitating this? Who's. Who's funding him to molest kids? Yeah. Incredible. I also. It's wild that the first chunk of the book is like, you know, all these different things. And by the last of it, he might as well say, like, yeah, I spent a lot of time doing other turns out. Drug the kids. Drug the kids, abuse them. It's gonna work a lot better than, you know, the first.

[Jay Dyer]

Also, I have a sexual fetish for dolphins like this.

[Top Lobster]

Have you ever seen a dolphin? It's incredible.

[David Lee Corbo]

Very sexy.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

It kind of gets me thinking about.

[Jay Dyer]

Like, they're like, they're phallic.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

They're sort of pickle shaped. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

They're just wet dicks.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's the best type of shape. It gets me thinking about like Donut's idea of re. Like hacking the human body and kind of like resetting the mind, especially coming to this.

[Jay Dyer]

That's what this book is.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, Right. But now we have this as a, like a prolific. You go to Walmart and they have T shirts with mushrooms on them, you know? Yeah. Joe Rogan pushing DMT just recently. Who's the guy, the poker dude that we were talking about him just before. He's like real jacked where his eyeliner looks kind of gay, but he's telling people, he's like, I don't smoke weed anymore. Oh, it may be Dan Bilzerian. He's like, but do mushrooms. And I'm like, how could you prescribe that just blanket to a population of I don't know how many people you're.

[Jay Dyer]

Talking to and also read the Quran? So.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, it's. So they're reprogramming people to accept a certain thing Here. What you got there, Jay? Let's see this.

[Jay Dyer]

This is another one of the most. You've heard of Jose Delgado, right?

[Top Lobster]

I've not heard of George.

[Jay Dyer]

So he's like the one of the other most. He's one of the other most famous Mkulter doctors.

[Top Lobster]

Huh.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

Physical mind. Physical control of the mind toward.

[Jay Dyer]

So I mean, they literally just write books. Like.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, look at that, that subtitle. It says to the. What was it? One more time. Can you hold it up toward the psycho. Civilized society. So what are we doing? We're programming minds to make a more civilized society. It's always altruistic, isn't it?

[Jay Dyer]

Absolutely.

[Top Lobster]

For the greater good.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I mean, so like Kubrick's version of Clockwork Orange?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

You guys seen that?

[Top Lobster]

No, I've not seen Cubic's version of it. By the way, before you go on that tangent, I was told, and I don't know that we're gonna do with this episode, so I just want to recommend it to you. This morning, Kim Kardashian dropped a very cryptic video that is rich with Kubrick esque kind of symbolism. Obviously it, you know, it pays homage to the Shining in so many ways. And on its face, it provides nothing of value. It sells nothing to you whatsoever except the promise of a background filled with subliminal messages. And so I'm looking forward to hopefully a Jay Dyer breakdown of what the hell's going on in that video.

[Jay Dyer]

Because you, you vibed perfectly with, with my thought process there. Yeah, in fact, my, my. I was just talking to my wife a minute ago about how we need to analyze that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, I wanted to do it, but I just. I used to have my wits about me more when it came to symbolism, and I kind of put it all to bed. But there's so much there that it, like, beckons you to look at it. It, like I said, it offers absolutely nothing on the surface of value, nothing whatsoever at all. Except for maybe Kim Kardashian's tits, if you think that those are valuable. But otherwise it is a walk through a Kubrick film and you are like hard pressed to try to catch the. It's coming at you so fast. And, and in the end of it, I, I don't, I don't know what my takeaway was. I mean, I did a piss poor job this morning just like, peripherally analyzing, but I think it needs to be stopped frame by frame. That's how rich it is.

[Jay Dyer]

You know, if you remember, they put out a Christmas card some years back that had like, you know, pentagrams, all seeing eyes, all kinds of stuff in the, in the Christmas card. And so they have a history of putting this out, I think near Christmas on purpose, because it's like an inversion and a lot of the satanic, you know, families and like, they see doing something at those, those dates as a kind of a ritual action. Right. So if you want to commit a ritual that's powerful, you blaspheme near Christmas time. Right?

[Top Lobster]

Oh, interesting.

[Jay Dyer]

I mean, yeah, they talk about that in their books, but I was going to say about Clockwork Orange. Yeah, you should watch that movie just because the, the premise of the movie is actually about Mk Ultra. Because yeah, yeah, yeah, Cooper knew about it and, and the only. The reason I bring it up is like literally the doctors in the film based on the book, they're basically saying we're gonna have to MK Ultra everybody to create a psycho civilized society.

[Top Lobster]

And that's one of those things. Also because Kubrick is just so prolific with the subliminal messaging in the background. That's one of your.

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[Top Lobster]

Your pop culture references to adrenochrome is in the back of it is.

[Jay Dyer]

I saw that. Yeah, I never noticed that. I'd never noticed that.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, well, that's the thing. It's like Kubrick films are the gift that keeps on.

[Jay Dyer]

They do. They really do. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

There's a, there's a scene in that Kim Kardashian video where there is a nun in red laying on her back on the ground and she utters only the phrase, he is not a man of God. And it's like, dude, it's just so, it's haunting. The whole thing is haunting.

[Jay Dyer]

I believe that. Like, if I had to guess, I can't prove this, but I think the. They're probably like generational, like committed Satanists, I think so. I think that family is.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I, I have a big soft spot for Kanye west. And I think that sometimes I look at him and I go, he is engaged in a level of spiritual warfare that is so immense that most of us wouldn't understand it. And we get to see the ways in which he falls on his face constantly.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like King Solomon level. Like you, you wouldn't understand unless you're that, that dude.

[Top Lobster]

I, I, Dude. I think that's a great way of putting it. And, and I do, I like him a lot. And I just hope sometimes it's, it's to the extent where I even kind of feel bad. And that's really gay to feel bad for like a celebrity that you don't know. But it's just like. Well, you know, his, his, his role in like trying to shoehorn Jesus Christ into pop culture. It was really like an uphill battle. You know, even. Even just to do Jesus Walks back in the day was so profound because nobody from his era of hip hop was doing anything of the sorts. And ever since then, you could just see this battle taking place. And I. I often look at the things that he has done in the public eye and the level of ridicule that he's gotten, rightfully so in many cases, and go, yeah, that's when you are engaged in spiritual warfare, when you are on fire for Christ, that pendulum is going to swing. It's going to slam against the walls, back and forth, forth. And so I think that that's what we're watching when it comes to him, but I think he also married into, like, a witch coven.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly. Yeah. I was gonna say, like, I think people who are wanting to, you know, get into entertainment, this kind of stuff, they don't know how crazy and kind of controlled at the top it is in this sort of networks. And then when they get into it, they're like, whoa, you know, this is real.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

And then they have to worry, like, well, if I come out, nobody's gonna believe me. They're just gonna think I'm a crazy celebrity. Right. But I. I think that, Yeah, I think at the top, like, those celebrity networks are controlled. They're cults. And, you know, you're threatened if you leave, and they will try to ruin you in any way if you try to come out. So, no, I think he's. He was very heroic for doing a lot of what he did. I wish he had kind of stuck to a little more grounded approach rather than kind of like. I mean, I. I think the trolling, the antics were funny, but then it kind of undermines the positives that could have been done there. So. But yeah, I totally agree. Like, I think. I think the same thing with Britney Spears. Like, if you look at her history, you know, her parents were kind of promoting her career. A lot of these people are. I don't know about her case, but, like, Disney kids, they're, like, pimped out as kids to the entertainment industry, so they're kind of mind control from a young age. So. And then they.

[Top Lobster]

Same thing recently about Justin Bieber where, like, it's fun to make fun of Justin Bieber, but honestly, if you knew what that kid had been through, if the rumors are true, you would be mortified that, especially as a child, his. His mother is.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, they're like. They're like products like the Parents sometimes, like, take their product, take it to market. Yeah. Temp it out and then get the money. And it's like, then these people are ruined. But the parents made, you know, 10, 20, 30, $50 million, right? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. I want. I kind of wanted to go back to this Kanye west thing because we were. We were talking on a previous episode about that album specifically, and I put it on again, and I feel like I'm a musician, and I also feel like I have a good sense of discernment when it comes to these, like, these guys. And so there's something that just, like, rings true when you listen to that album. I'm like, he's actually. He means what he's talking about. This is not a Christian. Like, you know, I used to play in the church, and there's a lot of Christian songs that you go and you play in front of the congregation. I'm like, this is just fluff. Like, they, you know, they've taken a scripture, they whittled it down something stupid, put four chords over it. But this music was a little bit different, and I forget who it was. They brought to our attention the frequency, like, the hertz list of each song. And they're all specific. None of them are 440, which is the standard tuning for music. They're all, like. All 11 songs have slightly different hertz from like, 528, 444, some of them. And I'm just like, man, what is it? Like, what is this guy getting at? Like, what is he doing? There's some kind of underlying thing. The album seems like a cry for help.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it was.

[Top Lobster]

I was just gonna say it's one of my favorite albums. I was. I was in the gym this morning listening to Salah, and I. I damn near, like, I was on the. The. The. The pulley sort of system for doing Rose, and I damn near ripped the thing out of the wall. Like, it's. It's crazy what music can do to you as far as getting you hyped up. But, yeah, I love that album. I'm glad that that's part of his. His body of work. And then. And then what? He comes out and he's like, I'm going to start a. A porn company. I don't think he ever started the porn company, but, you know, I. I just don't think you could imagine, like, what the hell that guy's going through. Also is a coven of witches that has his daughter. So, you know, very cool.

[Jay Dyer]

Also, I mean, the. The. You know, when he was talking about, you know, Pasternak and all that kind of stuff.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

There were similar stories about Britney's case where, like, they'll drug these people. So, I mean, you don't know if they're getting slipped drugs. You know what I mean?

[Top Lobster]

Like, it's a lot of people that don't even think that it's really her. But I know that I watched a documentary on her not long ago, and one of the things that it did was it clarified her contention with the paparazzi. And once you see that in the documentary, you're like, oh, my God, of course. Of course. It's disgusting to be hunted and hounded by these. These people that are treating you like a product and they're screaming at you and you can't have a moment's piece. You can't go to a restaurant. You know, you think about Kanye and his. His Michael Jackouts because of that, too. Michael Jackson. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Michael Jackson thought that he thought the paparazzi was doing MK Ultra mind control on him with the. The flashing of the lights. And you know what? He might. He might have been right, dude.

[Top Lobster]

Might have been right.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I don't.

[Jay Dyer]

I interviewed a famous paparazzi paparazzo one time, and, you know, he was telling a lot of stories about how more or less they kind of operate sort of like intelligence operatives. And some of them, I'm sure in history have been, in fact, if you. If you go to. Into the history of tabloids, the. The rise of tabloids are almost always. Whether in the uk, the US they're actually connected to intelligence people. I think the. Wow. I think the Inquirer was. Was started by, like, a former CIA guy. So tabloids actually also have, like, a origin in intelligence. And I wouldn't be surprised if it's. You know, there's not the overlap you're talking about.

[Top Lobster]

That's funny because it's like, what if we took the invasive, you know, invasion of, like, your. Your privacy and the ability to track you down and know where you are at all times. What if we turn that into, like, a public display that was accepted by the general public?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Wow. That's. Because I. It's not lost on me that a spook would make a great paparazzi. You know, they'd always know where you are. They'd always know where to find you.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly.

[Top Lobster]

That's a. That's a wild concept. But, you know, on this.

[Jay Dyer]

On this point, one. One point real quick. Did you guys ever watch Black Mirror?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Weird.

[Jay Dyer]

Did you See the one I don't really like, the later seasons because they're.

[Top Lobster]

The one with like, Miley Cyrus.

[Jay Dyer]

Yes. Yeah, that one. That was good because she's a pop star who's basically handled and controlled and like, she's like, her energy and her creativity is sapped.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jay Dyer]

And then they create this like, AI.

[Top Lobster]

Version of her weird moment because it was like Miley getting to say it, but it was like, what a great work of fiction.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, and it parallels very closely to the story of Britney, too.

[Top Lobster]

Brittany is horrifying because if you watch that documentary, like, you would be hard pressed not to like that kid. Britney Spears as a kid is charismatic. She's sweet as can be. She's so kind, overtly kind to everybody. And then, you know, fast forward and she's swinging butcher's knives on whatever it is, Tik Tok, and you're like, yeah, they. They destroyed her. Also, there's a lot of weird stuff. Looks like face tracking. AI face tracking, that occasionally something will happen and the CG face won't tether to whoever's got.

[Jay Dyer]

Maybe not even hers are saying, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And I've seen some videos where I go like, yeah, it certainly does look like. But that's what didn't track properly. And it was somebody else's face. But who the hell knows?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what Pastor Neck told. Told Kanye. And it's not like, maybe he wasn't being hyperbolic. He didn't just say, like, we're going to drug you. He was like, we're going to, like, take you away and you'll never see your kids again. Yeah, but we see Kanye. He's still there. But like, dude, what. What happened? Is it. Is it him? You don't believe in clones? Maybe it's. I have no idea.

[Top Lobster]

Well, he said something interesting and cryptic. He said at one point in an interview, he's like, if you see me, go away and come back. It's not me. And maybe he could mean that in a. In a psychological sense, like, they would have drugged me into oblivion. It won't be me. It'll be a husk. And when he reappeared, he did look discernibly different. And there are people who, you know, claim if you're on SSRIs and such, you tend to gain weight and things of that nature. So we could have been seeing. Yeah. The physical ramifications of being drugged into oblivion and then being let out into public as kind of this shell of a person who, by the way, has compromised on all his morals. He's Walking around with his wife out. She's wearing a see through Glad bag and her tits are out. And he's talking about making a porn company, you know, so whatever they do to those people, I don't think that we can understand it at all. And to the Dan Bilzerians of the world, if you're getting on stage and you're talking about the Jews and you're talking about doing mushrooms, the level of control that they could execute over somebody that they deem influential is not to be underestimated. All you got to do is go to Dan Bilzeri and say, hey, like that nice life that you have and all that money. Remember that time you were at a party and you did this questionable thing? Run this narrative for us and you won't have to worry about those things at all. And it's. It. You get on the thing and you go, fucking, it's the Jews, by the way, do mushrooms. And that's it. Your job is done. You know, so as fun as it is to dunk on these people, I do think that it takes a wild individual to disobey them. And I would venture to believe that the ones who do probably are dead. You know what I mean? Like, it's like maybe Robin Williams stood up against him in one way or another. Well, he's dead. You know what I mean? It's like, take your pick. Chester Bennington. Maybe Chester had something to do with this. Maybe he was Podesta's kid. Maybe he did have plan. Well, he's dead, you know. What's the guy from Soundgarden? Well, he's dead. You know what I mean? So I'm gonna keep Duncan on them, but I'll remember that. I'll keep that aside.

[David Lee Corbo]

David. We've kind of like. We're coming to an end here. The episode. I don't want to. I want to respect your time, Jay, but. So we've gone from aliens to celebrities to movies, Hollywood, all this stuff. How. And it's all. It's all related. It's all like a through line, and it kind of leads back to itself.

[Top Lobster]

I do have a question, Top. And this might be where you're going, but what I wanted to ask, Jay, is what is going to be your thought process? What does Jay Dyer think? If all of a sudden the. The news turns on and they go, highly advanced space brethren here to stop us from mutually assured destruction, here to stop us from our nuclear escapades, here to make peace amongst the world and the world religions are falling away. How Does Jay Dyer place this on his.

[David Lee Corbo]

Not just that. What does it look like for the people that are watching? It could be preaching to the choir, but like in your opinion, what does that look like? Where do you put it and how do we deal with it? Because it's all pointed at, at Jesus Christ, the return of Jesus Christ and either thwarting that or confusing people when that happens. So what are your thoughts on that?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, I mean I would, my first thought would be this. They're running the alien, fake alien invasion scenario. That's what they've chosen for the global world religion. They're going to push this as a way to unify the religions. And when I mentioned Close Encounters by Spielberg, there's actually a world. I mean a world religion develops. Basically. You see Hindus and all the world religions kind of come together because everybody realizes. And the Hindus, weird, oddly enough, are even chanting like the name of God because they think the aliens are the, the gods, the God. And so even in the film it's already kind of hinting at, well, we only have a world religion when we get the alien arrival. Also, I think that if that were to occur, people would begin to think that, oh, like the movies were telling us, they were like preparing us. So the people look back at Arthur C. Clark as a prophet. Right. And so they'll start to think that, oh, Crowley and Arthur C. Clarke and they were, they were like preparing us, man. They were like the prophets of a new religion. You know what I mean? Like they'll see these fiction works as like new, perhaps prophetic, scriptural works. Exactly. And then you'll get so basically a self fulfilling prophecy. They'll be able to say like we were, we were prophets, we told you so here's a new religion. They'll probably tie it in with AI like no evil. Harari was saying that we'll get a new scripture written by the AI Maybe AI pushes the alien narrative. People begin to believe the AI also. So that's where my thought process would go. And then I would think maybe they've got a. I don't know how they would enforce all of it yet, but if enough people believe it then maybe they would get people like turning on other people through. You know, you're not with the space brothers, so you're part of the, you know, maybe the space brothers tell us that all the people that don't go along are like, you know, some other seated race that needs to be cleansed. You know what I mean?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it, I mean, what I'm optimistic about is that there are people like you in the space. The conversation that we just had. There's a lot of people in this alternative media sort of conspiracy realm who have seen this coming for a long time. I would hope that we've rung enough alarm bells to prepare people to the degree that we can. But I'm reminded of this line from Penny Dreadful is a great series.

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[Top Lobster]

One of the main characters takes another and introduces him to a den of vampires. And the character he introduces had no familiarity with that sort of a situation. So the only forewarning that he, he gave him was no matter what you see, do not be amazed. And I don't think that there's any limitations you can put on human beings. Proclivity to be amazed and their critical thinking.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, exactly.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, the Soy Jack meme. Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

As he was saying. You were saying like these, these, you know, these forms of media and movies being the proofs. I'm just, I was just thinking about people, how they look at Marvel and almost live their lives.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's, it's, it's sad, it's.

[Jay Dyer]

It would be like a self confirming, like I was right all along. I really am a superhero. The aliens are going to help us, right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Now that he's gonna tell his wife to stop bitching at him every time he wears his Marvel T shirt out in public. This is the new gods.

[Jay Dyer]

Exactly.

[Top Lobster]

Look, Thor was real. He was.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, right.

[Top Lobster]

He was a, what do you call him? The tall white. He was a Nordic.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

You know, it's, it's going to be hard, man, but maybe nothing will happen. Maybe it'll be the Battle of LA. Maybe it'll be, you know, the 1940s all over again. We'll get pump faked and they'll decide that they're not ready to roll it out yet.

[Jay Dyer]

But yeah, I mean like a lot of people are not believing the establishment, you know what I mean?

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Jay Dyer]

So I don't know the exact percentages. I have no idea. I'M sure the NSA knows, like, what the real. What the real. But I mean, like, I don't think a lot of people would believe it.

[Top Lobster]

At the same time, so either. Well, here's the thing that my, my mom, she called me the other day because she knows that her son is unhinged and she knows that I'll have some opinion one way or another. And she goes, yeah, the girls at work are talking about how it's in. It's going to be a fake alien invasion, but it's not real and to not fall for that. And I go. Whenever the general public starts to catch on to something that I'm privy to, I'm forced to examine my own ideas and wonder whether or not they're retarded. And I did realize that if you think they're not real and then they show you something that you don't have the ability to explain to yourself or to rationalize, that's going to be a big problem for you. So I can't help but wonder if the general public saying that they're not real and they're going to psyop us, they're being primed for that in a way. So when they roll out some. Maybe it's a biomechanical entity.

[Jay Dyer]

That's. I was good. The next thing I was going to say is that if they were going to roll this narrative, they would have to do something spectacular.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, exactly. And that, that'll, that'll throw a lot of people for a loop. But if you're paying attention, you don't have to freak out.

[Jay Dyer]

To me, the drones that we've been seeing, like, to me, they look pretty obviously like human terrestrial drones. So, I mean, are you guys seeing a lot of people who think that it is real aliens or what do you, what do you guys think?

[Top Lobster]

Well, so because of this guy's predictions, we were looking out for some sort of an aerial phenomenon and ended up catching on to the drone situation. Now, predominantly, it is like nuts and bolts, you know, strange, strange technology. Admittedly. They can go into the water, they can come out, they're the size of SUVs. In some cases, they seemingly don't dock anywhere in charge or land. They just, they're up there for hours. And then you get this really confusing narrative where the state level is like, what the hell are they?

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And then the federal level is like, either they don't exist and it's mass hysteria, or they do exist, but it's not ours and it's not a foreign body. And it's like, okay, do what you will with that. There is always going to be an element of real UFOs. And what I mean by that is, even without a drone incursion, you will find strange videos on the Internet of things that don't make any sense. And I admit, like, I look at them and I go, they don't make any sense. Top and I watched a video that looked like a smoky jellyfish, a black, smoky jellyfish with smoky tendrils. And it was pulsing with electricity. Would have been an anomaly had it not been for the fact that somebody else caught. Caught it at a second angle.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's on, like, the west side Highway. And two people. Two people videotaped this. I'm like, okay, two different angles, same thing. This stuff is happening, but it's happening in conjunction with the drone. So, yeah, where do we put them? I'm not. I'm not quite sure. But if you're gonna go on this prediction that this dude made, it's like we're gonna see some sort of melee in the skies. And we're very close to shooting these things down. I think Jersey or like, somebody is given the order, maybe in the White House. They're like, yo, we're going to start shooting them down. So there's. There's your manifestation of.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

But what comes after that is more important. And the prediction that Webbot's giving is the sci fi world. So, like, great increase in technology, contact revi, contact with alien entities, revival of ancient languages, like that. And I'm like, again, I don't know where to put this, but, hey, this guy's been correct here, and he's been correct also in the past with, like, the 08 crash, 911, things like that, predicting earthquakes in different spots. So, yeah, I don't know. I just, like, my antennas are up and I'm like, I'm basically playing defense. I'm ready to move left or right, depending on which way this thing goes. But I'm. I'm looking intently at it because I don't want to be deceived. We're gonna be. I always say this to myself. It's like I watched, like, the people that I'm like, coming up with in this weird libertarian conspiracy space, and you watch them fall off. Some fell off at coven. It's like, all right, you got got by that, and some fell off by Trump. And I was like, oh, you got. You got fooled by this, like, weird psyop here or there. And I feel like I haven't been fooled yet, but I'm ready like I'm, it's, you know, you're ready to be fooled. The more, the more you do something, the percentages say that you will eventually, like if you're going to ride a skateboard, percentages say you're going to fall off eventually. You're not going to be a thousand percent. So I am ready for this deception and I'm, I guess I'm a little paranoid about falling for it, but I'm, I'm just kind of probing all areas and making sure that I have my eyes dotted, my T's crossed and like that. So that, that's where I'm at with the drones, I guess.

[Top Lobster]

And that's why we wanted to talk to you too, because I think a lot of people are in that space and it's like we need evidence based arguments as to the nature of these things and if we can start there and have that conversation, we're not going to have all the answers, but if we address them, I think a lot of people are making the mistake of ignoring these sorts of topics. And like I said, if you do that, there will come a time when the government will feed you a narrative and you will be disarmed by it because you haven't done any previous research. So conversations like this one, and, and you know, hopefully they continue to be had either on this platform or other platforms because people need to, it does seem, does it sound alarmist, Jay, to say, given the, the climate of things that people do need to be aware of this?

[Jay Dyer]

No, I, I don't think they've been making all these movies and pushing all this propaganda for 100 plus years for nothing. I mean, they're right. They're building for some climax.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I think we've done about the best we can do here, Jay. I really appreciate your time and, and I think this is great because I said it's somewhere around the midpoint of this episode. If you, you're hearing all these things and you can't see it, then I don't know what to tell you because the, the body of evidence that we've laid out for them doing this over like you said, about a hundred years is, is pretty profound. In fact, it almost makes you go, how the hell do they think they can pull this off after doing all this so openly for all this time? We'll see. But Jay, thank you for your time, brother. And please let everybody know one last time where they can, can find you and support your work.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah, you can go to jasonalysis.com. that's my website. And if you get to see the shop there, don't get the book from Amazon, because that just gives Jeff Bezos money. But you go to my website shop, you can get signed copies of esoteric Hollywood 1 and 2, where in both books I actually take on the alien deception narrative in several chapters in both books. So you can get signed copies of that. And yeah, you can find me at YouTube, Twitter, all the different places that everybody else is on. So, yeah, fourth hour of Alex Jones every Friday.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, that's. That's awesome. Do you get to talk to Alex Jones or is it just like you're running the show and he's doing something else?

[Jay Dyer]

I would say about half the times he's kind of there saying, here, hey, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, I mean, he never tells me who to have on or who to talk about. But he. We. We talk, I don't know, maybe once every month or so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, you don't get to touch them.

[Top Lobster]

You ever get to hug them? Dude, I wanna.

[Jay Dyer]

I think I did hug him one time. I got a picture over there where we're all together. So I think. I think I got a hug one time.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not a big drinker, but on my to do list before I die is drink excessively and hug Alex Jones. That would be. That would be an awesome.

[Jay Dyer]

Well, he took us out when we were in Austin like, a year or two ago. He took us out to a nice Chinese restaurant and he basically ordered, like, whatever he saw anybody else having. So it was like, what's that over there? Give me one of them. What's that? Give me one of them. I'm talking to you. Give me that. So it's like he had like. He's like a beverage goblin. Goblin. Like me. Like, he. I've got, like, one, two. I've got like, three drinks over here. Alex had like, five spread out. It was really cool. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dude, this is because, like, you know, the movie signs, we're like, I'm expecting an alien.

[Jay Dyer]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that was a great one. Yeah. Anyway, whatever. No more Alex Jones worship. We. Everyone loves him, but that's. That's freaking cool. It's cool that you came here to spend time with us. It's cool that you gave us any of the time that you have in general, because, I mean, we started off kind of rocky, but whatever.

[Top Lobster]

I'm surprised. I'm surprised. He was like, I can't believe after he talked to us the first time, he was like, those guys are. And then to. I think he forgot. I think there's been enough time in between the first episode and this one that he forgot.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's gonna be like the Prophet Muhammad. You having all those seizures, bro? You keep. You got brain damage.

[Top Lobster]

He's painfully reminded right now. He's like, next time I won't answer the call. Thank you, Jay. I really appreciate it.

[Jay Dyer]

No, you guys are cool.

[Top Lobster]

Top. Do we got anything else?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's it, man. Guys, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. And I. Merry Christmas. But if you're watching this later on, it's. It's already past Christmas. The world may be over, but whatever. Peace out, guys. We'll see you later.

[Top Lobster]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.

[Jay Dyer]

A oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

[Top Lobster]

You can persuade people that what they.

[Jay Dyer]

See with their eyes is what there is to see. Because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.

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