104: Fear Not w/ Paul Stobbs

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad – Episode 104: Fear Not w/ Paul Stobbs

Release Date: January 3, 2025

In Episode 104 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts Top Lobsta Productions—Top Lobster and Raven (David Lee Corbo)—welcome back a recurring guest, Paul Stobbs, a respected researcher and author known for his intriguing conspiracy theories viewed through a Biblical lens. The episode delves deep into the intersection of ancient mysteries, modern conspiracies, and eschatological prophecies, offering listeners a comprehensive exploration of these intertwined subjects.

Introduction and Guest Background

The episode begins with a heated exchange emphasizing the manipulation by influential societal figures:

• Paul Stobbs [00:00]: "We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people."

This sets the tone for a discussion centered on uncovering hidden truths behind mainstream narratives. Raven introduces Paul Stobbs, highlighting his YouTube channel "Understanding Conspiracy" and his renowned theory that "Nephilim look like clowns"—a concept he has explored since 2016, culminating in a successful book that recently hit its 100th review with a 4.7-star rating.

Nephilim as Clowns and Beyond

Paul Stobbs [01:29]: "I am predominantly known as the guy who came up with the theory of the Nephilim look like clowns."

Top Lobster reminisces about previous episodes focused on Nephilim and drones, expressing frustration over the repetitive nature of the topic. However, Paul counters by explaining his evolution from focusing solely on Nephilim to expanding into broader conspiracy theories grounded in Christian theology. He emphasizes a shift towards discussing the "Millennial Reign of Christ" and the "Little Season Theory," indicating a move away from being a "one-trick pony."

Historical and Occult Connections

A significant portion of the conversation explores the links between historical figures like Aleister Crowley and modern-day conspiracy theories:

• Paul Stobbs [14:01]: "Aleister Crowley was in the British intelligence agencies with John de Lancie."
• Top Lobster and Raven discuss Crowley's role in occultism and his influence on the portrayal of alien entities, such as the "Grays."

Paul critiques Crowley’s work, dismissing it as "cringe" and "pathetic," yet acknowledges its impact on contemporary occult and conspiracy communities. He draws connections between Crowley’s summoning of entities like Lamb and the modern portrayal of aliens, suggesting a continuity of deceptive celestial influences.

Alien Invasion and Biblical Prophecies

The dialogue shifts to the potential alien invasion narrative and its alignment with Biblical prophecies:

• Raven [22:18]: Raises questions about the nature of Aleister Crowley's interactions with entities like Lamb and their implications for modern UFO disclosures.
• Paul Stobbs [25:33]: Connects Crowley’s summoning practices to present-day channelers and New Age movements, asserting that these beings are part of a long-standing agenda to manipulate human consciousness.

Paul theorizes that the frequent UFO disclosures are part of a deliberate deception orchestrated by powerful entities to prime humanity for a larger cosmic event. He argues that these revelations are not about extraterrestrial life but are manifestations of fallen angels and demonic forces integrated with conspiracy-driven narratives.

Millennial Kingdom and Little Season Theory

A pivotal discussion revolves around the "Little Season Theory" and the "Millennial Reign of Christ":

• Paul Stobbs [46:10]: "The millennial reign of Christ already happened in what we call the Dark Ages or the Medieval kingdom."

Paul posits that the thousand-year reign of Christ occurred in the past, specifically during the Dark Ages, and that humanity is currently in a "Little Season" where deception and spiritual warfare are rampant. This theory suggests that the establishment of gothic cathedrals and medieval monastic structures were part of this divine reign, which has since been undermined by the release of Satan and the rise of anti-God ideologies.

Raven and Top Lobster engage with Paul on the implications of this theory, questioning how it aligns with historical evidence and contemporary conspiracy narratives, such as the Nazi interest in UFO technology and the integration of occult practices in mainstream institutions like NASA and Hollywood.

Future Predictions and Deceptions

The conversation anticipates future events centered around deception and spiritual warfare:

• Paul Stobbs [53:36]: "They are trying to make it seem like tribulation is happening by having many marks of the beast coming out every so often."
• Raven discusses predictions from figures like Cliff High, who forecasts escalating aerial phenomena leading to a "Sci-Fi World" and eventual utopia or catastrophe.

Paul warns of a manufactured alien invasion designed to create global panic and unify humanity under deceptive pretenses, aligning with Biblical scenarios where false prophets and deceptive miracles lead to mass confusion and loss of faith. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining a strong Christian foundation to resist these manipulations.

Faith, Hope, and Resilience

Despite the bleak outlook on deception and end-time events, Paul offers a message of hope rooted in unwavering faith:

• Paul Stobbs [97:56]: "Don't be fearful of these things that come upon us. The worst they can do is kill you."

Raven and Top Lobster echo this sentiment, encouraging listeners to focus on their relationship with God and the teachings of Jesus Christ as the ultimate shield against deception. Paul emphasizes that true salvation comes through faith, not through succumbing to fear or the manufactured narratives presented by deceptive forces.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

As the episode draws to a close, Paul reiterates the significance of maintaining vigilance and faith:

• Paul Stobbs [105:03]: "Don't fear these things that come upon us. Focus on Jesus. Unplug from the Matrix if you want to use that weird term."

The hosts thank Paul for his insightful contributions, encouraging listeners to follow his work on YouTube and join his community for ongoing discussions. The episode concludes with a reaffirmation of the central message: amidst pervasive deception and looming end-time scenarios, faith and spiritual resilience are paramount.

Notable Quotes

• Paul Stobbs [00:00]: "We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people."
• Paul Stobbs [01:29]: "I am predominantly known as the guy who came up with the theory of the Nephilim look like clowns."
• Paul Stobbs [25:33]: "We are witnessing a slow drip feeding of the truth to get everyone acclimatized to it."
• Paul Stobbs [46:10]: "The millennial reign of Christ already happened in what we call the Dark Ages or the Medieval kingdom."
• Paul Stobbs [97:56]: "Don't fear these things that come upon us. The worst they can do is kill you."

Final Thoughts

Episode 104 of Nephilim Death Squad offers a profound exploration of Biblical conspiracies, the manipulation of historical narratives, and the anticipated spiritual battles of the end times. Through Paul Stobbs' compelling insights and the hosts' engaging dialogue, listeners are encouraged to seek truth, maintain their faith, and remain resilient against deceptive forces shaping the world's perception of reality.

For those interested in delving deeper into these theories, Paul Stobbs recommends visiting his YouTube channel "Understanding Conspiracy" and his podcast "The Truth of Therapy Sessions," where he continues to explore and expand upon these intricate conspiracies.

Transcript

[Paul Stobbs]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolute.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim shit. It's like we all know what's going.

[David Lee Corbo]

Down but no one's saying what happened to them. Home of the brave these mother they control us now when no one's talking.

[Paul Stobbs]

About how they know it's not they slaves.

[David Lee Corbo]

And everybody's just walking around heading the clouds and want to wake up to a dead in the grave. By then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up.

[Paul Stobbs]

Welcome to the end of day, everybody.

[David Lee Corbo]

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven, that is top lobster, the father of disinformation. And we are welcoming back one of my favorite content creators, somebody who's work in research I greatly respect. Also somebody who was gracious enough to be on the Ravens Watch way back when and been on Nephilim Death Squad several times. Welcoming back to the show, Paul Stobbs. Paul, if you would, for the audience who might not be familiar with them, let them know where they can find your work and what it is that you focus on.

[Paul Stobbs]

Sure. So you can Find me on YouTube under the name Understanding Conspiracy. There it is on the screen if you're watching. I am predominantly known as the guy who came up with the theory of the Nephilim look like clowns. That was kind of my baby for many years. Started in 2016. That's accumulated into me writing a book about it, which I published earlier this year, which is doing very well as you can see. I just reached my 100th review.

[Top Lobster]

Awesome.

[Paul Stobbs]

4.7 stars. It's doing really well.

[David Lee Corbo]

I love the COVID by the way.

[Paul Stobbs]

Thanks. Yeah, it's definitely eye catching. I think my wife helped me with that a lot, so we can thank her for that one. But yeah, it's, it's doing well. And I'm currently writing the second volume. It's going to be a two volume series and then hopefully I can get that into one solid book. It's, it's a process and that's kind of what I'm focusing on. But I also am a scattershot conspiracy theorist first and foremost. I'm a Christian based YouTube channel. I base most of my truth in that theology in that ideology. And I've kind of shifted away from the nephilim clown stuff. I also cover something called the Millennial Reign of Christ and the little Season Theory. I've inadvertently fallen backwards into becoming some kind of figurehead for that somehow. And I have a lot of fun talking about that, too, so. But fundamentally, I talk about anything and all things conspiracy.

[David Lee Corbo]

What's interesting, Paul, is that, you know, this Nephilim look like clowns theory, as. As content creators ourselves, we also kind of will find ourselves in this repetitive wheelhouse almost. Yeah, lately it's been the kind of New Jersey drone situation. But.

[Top Lobster]

And you know what? Before. Before you go on, I do want to apologize because we had you on the first time. We were like, hey, can you come on and talk about the nephilim looking like clowns? And you're like, I've been talking about it since 2016. We did like three episodes on the New Jersey drones. And I'm like, I'm done. I'm done talking about this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, somebody had us on. And I was like, I don't even know how much we're going to end up talking about the thing that you bought us on for. But. But I mean, what is great is like, you went through this repetition process, right? Making appearances on shows like Hours, talking about that topic. I think that's probably good for distilling it down into its most important, potent form, which then takes its final form in the way of a book, which I think probably was a really good process to put your theory through. But what's great about what you do is, like you said, you're a bit of a scattershot conspiracy theorist with, you know, a fundamental aspect of what you do rooted in Christianity. And so that opens up the door to so much more. It's always great, right? You can kind of hit these topics to the point where you probably don't want to talk about them anymore. But then because of the nature of what you do, you have access to all these other really compelling theories. Like you said, the little season is something that you've ended up becoming one of the main. I guess. How would you put this? One of the. One of the influencers who people are looking to. To find some clarity in this situation. It's you, it's JT Follows jc And so I guess this is just the bag when it comes to sort of biblical conspiracy theory. I still haven't found a good way of packaging that yet.

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah, that's a really funny one. You're right. First of all, you know I've, I've repeated myself ad nauseam about the Nephilim clown stuff, but at the same time I love doing it. And every time I go off on one, I'm going two hours and I still don't manage to say everything that needs to be said every time I try. But I have been trying to condense it down into like a perfect two hour elevator pitch of every key point. And the book, writing the book does help focus those thoughts and get them in a more fluid, concrete citate, you know, site. Sorry, citated. I'm making up words now. Citations are all there. Everything's there to back up what I'm talking about because I'm talking about crazy things, you know, and I need to have the proof, the receipts. And the book helps me consolidate all of that. And the second half now I'm writing is, it's more of the same. I'm discovering more as I research harder for the book because with the book it comes with a level of standards and you have to prove what, okay, you're making that claim. Where did you get that claim from? So I have to show the source, show the passage, quote the book, and, and that is actually only just sharpening the whole thing and making it stronger. And obviously I'm learning a lot more as I go and I'm still discovering things with that theory, so lots to come there. But yeah, you're right, I've kind of ended up because I think I started talking about the little Season theory a year ago in October. And the first video is just me sat in my car, I'm outside of my house and I'm like, look guys, there's this theory going about and I can't, I can't not talk about it because it's just been racking my brain for like years, you know, it's like, I have to talk about this. But. And I was talking to one of my moderators, MK Ryan. I'm sure, you know, you probably heard.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah, shout out Ryan. I love that dude, he's great.

[Top Lobster]

He should be in the chat. What's going on?

[Paul Stobbs]

He might be, I don't know. But I was talking to, to him and he, I was saying to him, look, man, I'm. I'm gonna have to talk about this, this theory, but I don't want to like split focus because I'm at the Nephilim clown guy, you know what I mean? It's kind of. But I can't like not talk about it. It's too much. It's like it's driving me crazy. I need to get it out. So I did. And I just said to him, Korean, I don't want my channel just to become about this topic and for it to become a big thing. And lo and behold, it became a big thing. And I channel's nothing about this. And. And I. It's. It's inevitable because it is one of those. It's one of those ideas that kind of encompasses everything within the conspiracy world. And. And there are naysayers out there, and there are reasonable reasons to doubt the theory, but there's a lot of compelling reasons not to doubt the theory as well, which is why it's just so fascinating. And it's like an endless pit of. Of learning when it comes to this. And I've found researching this topic has only helped strengthen my biblical knowledge as well, because it's made me have to really comb through and figure out what did they mean when they said these things? Who were they talking to? What's the real context of these passages? Rather than just going off what people in church kind of assume, it's that, like, well, you know, Jesus is talking to me through Peter to this time. You know, it's kind of. You have to shed all of that and start giving audience relevancy to the whole text. And it's made me have to reread the Word in a whole new light. So I'm kind of thankful for that as well. But, yeah, I don't know what you would call me in all of this, because I'm not the first person to talk about the topic. I'm just somebody who seems to not be able to shut up about it. And people enjoy listening. That's basically it.

[Top Lobster]

That's kind of how we, like, we got started doing this thing. Like, David had the idea, let's call this Nephilim Death Squad. Because we were like, everywhere we look, it seems like there's Nephilim influence. And our thing was we were calling everything Nephilim shit. And we were doing it as a joke, kind of like a cultural movement on. On Twitter, you know, you'll see a girl on OnlyFans. Like, that's Nephilim shit. You'll see like a politician doing xyz. That's Nephilim shit. And it turns out that it actually is true because it is all encompassing. So everywhere you look, it's just kind of everywhere. And I think you could write a hundred books probably, if you. If you wanted to keep going.

[Paul Stobbs]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. This is the thing. Like, the Nephilim was the big thing from like, I don't know, 2016 to like 20, 22 or 20. And it's kind of. Everyone's sick of the Nephilim now. Everyone's been talking about the Nephilim ad nauseum. Like I said, it's like, what's the next thing? And, and it needs to be talked about. It's very interesting. It's a valid topic. It helps contextualize a lot of human history when you start incorporating the Nephilim into the narrative and, and the human hybrid mess that was going on and the genetic engineering and the, the watchers and the aliens angels connections, you know, and the, yeah, the ancient human history is nuts when you start actually looking and paying attention. And it's fascinating. And I recommend anybody who hasn't looked into that needs to get that as a solid foundation basis of information to understand the conspiracy. It's a big part of the puzzle, definitely. But I've got to that point where it's kind of like demons are just gonna. Demon. You know what I mean? I mean, whatever. Like, I need to focus on God, salvation. The ends to all of this means, you know, what was this leading? What's the kingdom about? What did Jesus say? What's, what's the plan in the long term? What's coming next? How are those demons going to be used in all of this? You know, we can talk today maybe about the alien invasion stuff, which we might be able to get on to and, and listen, conspiracy isn't just one topic. There is no, just one way to interpret everything. You have to take in every, every topic, every bit of information, soak it all in so you can apply those lenses to whatever happens in the world around you to get a solid interpretation or at least not be as deceived as they perhaps want you to be deceived when things do actually go down. And that's kind of what I'm in the game of doing, understanding the conspiracy and the nephilim is a huge part of that. And I'm thankful for all the research and work that's been done on it. But I'm getting bored. I'm getting bored. I wrote the book on the thing and I'm getting bored of it. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

So yeah, is, you know, it is this wider topic, like when it comes to conspiracy, I often look at the word conspiracy. Like you might look at the word science where, like, you know, when you, when you hear science, you reduce it in your mind to like something that happens in a laboratory. Really. It's the study of everything, though, right? That's kind of the idea. Conspiracy is, is my science in that way where it's like, when I say that, I just kind of mean the mysterious happenings that are taking place in this realm that affect us. All, right? And there are. It's like one of those little toys. You could pop a different lens in and you would see a different photo. If this little toy helps you to see the world and this world is, you know, seen through this toy, it's conspiracy. Well, popping in a biblical lens works really well for that. And. And like you're saying, it does reach to all of these different categories. One of the things that I like about you is you really care about your research, where. I don't even know if we could say that on this show. I mean, so much of this show is driven by the information that our guests bring up. And we have our limited knowledge, and we try to bridge gaps and. And put pieces of the puzzle together. But I think really what keeps this thing going is that in our stupidity, there is a relatability, you know, to the audience, finds us endearing in that way. They're like, oh, look at these dummies going after and getting it. So. But unlike our stake in this, yours is. Is very much research driven. This is what's giving you the ability to write these books. And we've talked to you about the Nephilim looking like clowns. It's like you think for a second that that is a shallow rabbit hole to go down. You are sorely mistaken. There is so many details that you've spent years accumulating and assembling in a way that's, you know, understandable for somebody that's ingesting it. It's kind of hoping we can get into the same thing today. You alluded to before, this Angels aliens connection. And I could be wrong, but if I am, it's only on when this government disclosure is coming. And the reason I say when is because it seems pretty clear that every year they give us a little bit of a dangling carrot in the form of disclosure, and then they yank it away. And every year it gets dialed up a little bit more and more. And it's been like that for the past, like, six years in the sense that it's happening annually. Before that, it was still happening. It just was a little bit more spread apart. Now it's like every year around the same time of year, we're getting some sort of disclosure, you know, pump fake, where they're juking us, we Go left, they go right and then all of a sudden it fades away. So what I was hoping we could do is get in, get into this idea. I mean, you have a lot of foundation for, or let's say a lot of foundation upon which to start speculating about the nature of these things. One of the things that top and I like to bring up often, I think might be a good place to start is the fact that our earliest idea of what an alien gray looks like was given to us in the form of Lamb, a drawing of Lamb by Aleister Crowley. This is an entity that Alistair alleged to have been in contact with. And I don't really doubt that. I think there was two entities in particular, AWAS and Lamb that Aleister Crowley was in contact with. And Alistair is this, you know, kind of the, this grandfather of modern day occultism. And maybe that's unfair to say, maybe it's not, but there you go, there's that image. He was somebody that managed to permeate pop culture, right. He's famously like on the COVID of Beatles albums and things like that. This is somebody who I believe had, was, was knighted. I believe he was knighted. I could be wrong about that. But by European royalty.

[Paul Stobbs]

He was a spy.

[David Lee Corbo]

He was, he was a spy. That's right. He was in the, the, the British intelligence agencies with John D. Right.

[Top Lobster]

Or was that before his time?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I, I don't know if he.

[Paul Stobbs]

That was before his time. But he was definitely inspired by the Enochian magic of John D. And all that type of stuff, right. He started, he started Thelema, didn't he? His own kind of religion based off of Luciferianism. It's kind of his own offshoot in a sense. His own cult version of it. I actually made a video about the guy. It's just a two hour rant about how cringe he was. It was just, it was just such a cringe weirdo. Just, just an apple. What an absolute, like. Can I swear on this show?

[Top Lobster]

Absolutely, yeah, please.

[Paul Stobbs]

What an absolute loser. Honestly. The guy was an absolute like. And he was just pathetic and sad and just, he just, he just died a horrible, lonely, broke, miserable life as well. And I feel sorry for the guy and yeah, I pray for him because he just had. He was just the worst.

[David Lee Corbo]

And he called himself, yeah, the wickedest man on earth.

[Paul Stobbs]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is somebody who was supposed to have it. You feel this air of like, importance, like a high level bad guy, like a villain from a film. But this is a guy who wrote poems about a hooker's Farts. Yeah.

[Paul Stobbs]

Have you seen his paintings? Have you seen Aleister Crowley's painting?

[David Lee Corbo]

No. Did he draw this image of lamb, I wonder? Because it's, it's not like it's bad, but it's not, it's not great.

[Paul Stobbs]

It's like high school level art is. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this is, by the way, I have an art degree. I have a degree in art. I have a bachelor fine art, so I know art.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Paul Stobbs]

Anyways, look at his paintings. And as you can see, it's just him, glorified, looking like a Nephilim clown. Nephilim possessed demon. Yeah. And there's the magical clown. Not great. I mean, look there. You can even see a Nephilim being hung in a wasteland there. Can you see?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah, there you go. Oh, that's his work, huh?

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah, yeah. And it's all phallic symbols and he's like, he's like a Druid and all these type of things. And there's witches dancing around a sacrifice. And the thing is. Yeah, that's what. If that's what you want to call it. But he's. Yeah, he's just terrible in everything he did. He was just. He was just a pathetic loser weirdo that got way too much credit and cloud than he deserved from. From other pathetic weirdo, satanic losers who don't deserve anything or attention whatsoever. That's how I see the guy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is it the. It's, it's probably the, the allure of occultism, right, that draws people in. Like if you have a character or a group of characters, like the Beatles, it's like, what, what? More physical. How do I say this? What, what left is there in the physical world when you reach that level of like, height of fame and success, you know, money and all that stuff, you eventually you get bored and then, yeah, you'll start to look over at like, well, what's going on here? There's nothing left for me to conquer in the physical realm. But is there something to conquer, like in the spiritual realm? You know, you're the king of this, this material realm that we inhabit. And so, yeah, you start looking over to these things because they're, I guess, perceived as edgy. And then the next thing you know, you have this character in Aleister Crowley who is, yeah, morbidly obese dude who smells hookers, farts and paints badly. All of a sudden being risen to the, to this upper echelon of like top baddie, right? He's.

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah, he's riddled with herpes and gonorrhea, you know what I mean? Eating feces and all that. He was doing anything he could and calling it magic in some way to get in touch with his. His inner power and beast or whatever, you know. But the thing is, it's kind of. Back then, it's kind of that. That was Satanism. And before Anton, the VAY style Satanism came along wearing black robes and that cheesy, you know, form of. And the thing is, any form of Satanism is all cringe when you actually see it. The people who get involved with that kind of stuff are like really cringy people. The really weirdo cringe people who. And being around them. And I've met a few who are like that. And you know, during my degree, and it's kind of like, oh, just probably I attract these type of people as well. It's something about my personality and everything. And because I'm polite, I'll talk to them and humor them. And then they see that as an in, like, this guy's my friend, you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. But these are very much people that are outcasted, right? Typically. And outcasted for good reasons because socially speaking, they're like, they're awkward in one way or another. They have undesirable personality traits because they're on the outside of the in group. Then they start to seek things that are, you know, not the norm. And they find essentially, you know, various forms of Satanism or other groups are for the sort of the island of misfit toys people. Right. And that is the way in which that gets started. Which, you know, look, if you aren't so sure of that, just take note that predominantly speaking when it comes to, I don't know, people you might know who think that they're into Wiccan or something like that, not typically very attractive people, not typically very socially successful people. Right. And so it is interesting how that driving force, that thing that drives you away from. From society at large often drives you to these things where, you know, I guess Aleister Crowley becomes your hero. But the reason that I. I bring him up is because not only is that the first time that we get this example of an alien gray, but it's also a story that ties into so much more. Right. Like it ties into NASA when it comes to Werner von Braun and. And what Jack Parsons is allegedly doing in the deserts with. What's this guy's name from Scientology? L. Ron Hubbard. And they're. They're in the deserts, they're trying to Summon a moon child or something to that effect. And they're using Aleister Crowley's work to try and do it. Now, Jack Parsons is the guy who's responsible for our modern day jet propulsion technology that NASA still uses to this day. So this is an actual rocket scientist. You don't get to use that term very often, but he's an actual rocket scientist and he's hanging out with L. Ron Hubbard, who intrinsically tied into Scientology, which is intrinsically tied into what? Hollywood. So you're starting to, you know, get the development of these really weird things. You've got Hollywood, you've got NASA. Two mechanisms that, you know, if you're a conspiracy theorist, you'd be pretty hell bent on saying they are propaganda machines. They're here to lie to the people. They're federally funded propaganda machines, you know, to the highest degree that are meant to cast some sort of deception over the people. Well, Aleister Crowley ties into both of those things. And I don't think that it is a leap then to look at the way in which NASA and Hollywood have played an integral part in feeding us the alien narrative. Oh yeah, this, this all connects together. This is a big, you know, if you want to get real fringy, you go, this is a. You don't get the alien deception. Without NASA and without Hollywood, those two things are the most important aspects. Because if you stop and you ask yourself, where do my opinions of these matters come from? Unless you've had personal experiences, which there are plenty of abductee victims out there, you got your ideas from a show, from a movie, from something that NASA said about life on a distant planet somewhere in our galaxy, and the entire narrative about these things has been created by those two forces. And so where we sit now, where it seems to be looming on the horizon, that they're going to use some sort of disclosure, a government funded disclosure, the only narrative that we have on it is going to be what the government tells us, what Hollywood and what NASA tells us. That's a really dangerous place to be in. What are your thoughts on. Let's just start there with like Lamb, because I do think there's some validity to what Aleister Crowley is doing. As cringe as it is and as disgusting as it is, that is not to say that this sort of behavior doesn't yield results. It's just, you don't want those results. These are negative spiritual entities and there are negative spiritual ramifications from this. That being said, I think they're valid. I think that he likely is in contact or was in contact with these entities. What are your thoughts on the nature of, of what it is he's interacting with, in particular with Lamb?

[Paul Stobbs]

Well, he's, he's only the first of, of hundreds of thousands of people to get in contact with these beings and to become channels for them, shall we say? I mean, have you, I don't know if you've looked into the Instagram reels recently, I don't know what your algorithms like on there, but mine's absolutely batshit insane right now. And I'm getting nothing but the absolute lunatic fringe New age types who are claiming to be incarnations of the Palladians or these type of things, or channeling the spirit guides or the entities and all these type of things and communicating messages from the Galactic Federation about the coming ascension of mankind as we go into the Age of Aquarius type people, you know, and he's just, he's just forerunner of those of this movement we see active today. He was the guy who started all the movements and cultures that run into these people we now find on our Instagram reels doing these type of things. Lamb was just the first example of what people are still doing and have been doing for a while since that time. And yeah, they do look like freaky big headed, small mouth, big eyed, weird looking, gray alien things in some cases, basically like an amphibian human hybrid of some kind. And I think, I think personally, biblically speaking, this doll goes back to the mixing of kinds talked about in the Book of Jasher just before the flood of Noah, where mankind mix themselves with animals with a bit of help from fallen angels teaching them how to do these type of things. So we're talking genetic engineering and I think they are just still around today and have been working in tandem with the hierarchy of the demonic, angelic hierarchy of, of the devil, shall we say. Just to summarize it quickly. And the war has been going on ever since and people like Aleister Crowley are just useful idiots to forward the agenda, I would say. So, you know, I, I don't believe like Lamb was anything special or unique necessarily, just the first one to inspire many others to do it themselves from then on. And the message is always the same, you know, it's kind of, you are a God, you can ascend to the next level. You just need to expand humanity's consciousness. You need to let go of your religious dogmas, you need to pursue certain fleshly pleasures or goods or drugs or something like that. And it's kind of me, me, me, you are, you are God who has forgot he is God. Experience what it's like to be a human who's forgot what it's like to be God. All these eastern type New Agey Taoist blended New Age philosophies, because that's kind of what the new age is. You have to remember there is an agenda for a new world order which will have a New age religion to go along with this, you know, along with the one world currency, a one world government, no borders, all the rest of it. And the New Age religion is basically every religion mashed together. Everyone kind of got it a little bit right, but they're all wrong, you know. And we have to also remember around the same time Alistair Crowley was doing these type of things, there was also the Theosophical Society going around at the same time, which was started by Helena Blavatsky and then forerunning after that, it was kind of picked up by Alice Bailey and other students of, of that religious belief system. And Thalima is like a hardcore version of theosophy, which is again, all religions are one and the New Age precursor. And she was saying, you know, in 2025 there will be a world teacher that will come onto the stage to help mankind ascend to the next level of consciousness.

[David Lee Corbo]

Who was saying that? Blavatsky.

[Paul Stobbs]

Elena Blavatsky was say. Well, kind of alluded to that idea. It was Alice Bailey who really solidified it. And then New Age acolyte afterwards throughout the decade since been writing books about this coming Matreya based on these, these teachings. And yeah, so 2025 is just around the corner, so. And it coincides with suddenly the releasing of, like I said, the strip feed disclosure, UFO stuff going on. And I, I don't think it's all a coincidence. I think it's all planned 100 years in the making. We're talking here and they've been using things like the music industry and the film industry and these deceptive propaganda machines like NASA to convince us that we are a tiny insignificant speck surrounded by trillions and billions of possible extra civilizations and life forms. And it's only a matter of time until they turn up and mankind is in control of their own evolution through science. And when these beings turn up, it is either evolve or die type of situation.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Paul Stobbs]

And when you realize the biblical truth that no, we're in an enclosed system and we are actually the probably the largest things and most important things made in the image of God and there isn't vast million billions of universes out there and it's all enclosed within one space. You can't have aliens. So it's kind of. That's why you have a propaganda machine. Yes, you have this. These people trying to convince you that aliens are here. But biblically speaking, we have an answer for all these creatures came from. And they're not from space.

[Top Lobster]

I want to go back real quick to talk about just. Just so that the audience knows because I was doing some research on Alistair Crowley and specifically his early life. And no, we're not going to go to the early life section of his Wikipedia, but we know what that might reveal. What. What happened there is. His father dies of some kind of cancer. And his father was a hard.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm not sure or something like that. Right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, he was in some kind of weird. I don't know if it was a Christian cult, but it was Christianity. And they were like, we're just gonna pray.

[David Lee Corbo]

And Alistair, by the way, was geared up to be somebody. Like that's what he was training for. He was. He was going to be somebody in the church.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. Possibly. He was very young when his dad died. And this all starts because he's blaming the religion. He's blaming God and Jesus Christ for his father's death. Which is like. It's a beautiful opening for these entities to then start to work in someone's life. That's always the precursor. It's like whether you have a culture that's like, God's unfair, he's unjust. Hate your father. The culture inverts everything. And then it makes it very easy for them to slide in and feed you a couple of lies.

[David Lee Corbo]

Isn't that. It's the same thing as trauma. Right? It's like they're. They're traumatizing children. That's what allows these entities in. If you're doing like a Montauk project or something like that. But that's the same thing as what you're talking about. He had trauma.

[Top Lobster]

It's a childhood trauma. And it's the perfect scapegoat to. He bought the lie to blame Christianity. And I guess his father probably should have seek some kind of different help. But you know, sometimes things happen, man. That's just. It is what it is. People die and it's just. It's a sad like. Like. Like you were saying, Pulse. A sad existence. He went throughout his entire life. And whether you. He believed this or not or. I guess he. I guess you do at some point. You do believe in these entities that you're summoning. And worshiping. But it's just like out of spite because you're doing your, your entire existence is out of spite to God. So it's like, why not just put that aside and oh, it's interesting.

[Paul Stobbs]

He didn't deny the existence of God, he just refused to worship him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, he was in rebellion against him.

[Paul Stobbs]

So it's a different type of, of sin, shall we say. All sin's bad, you know, but his was a, he had a form of godliness, knowing the power thereof, but still rejected it and turned against it and blasphemed the Holy Ghost. Atheists can kind of be forgiven in a way because they literally don't believe God exists. They don't know or have any evidence to prove that God exists in their, from their experiences. So they're going off the best they've got. Alistair Crowley was summoning demons. Like he, he knew these things existed. He actively chose to go in opposition against God and all we can do is pray for his soul.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well to that point Paul, he would.

[Top Lobster]

Have had a, would that mean that he had like a stronger, like a stronger relationship than an atheist with God? Like he knew he. If you're opposing God directly, you intimately know who he is. And I think we're called here to have a relationship with God. So I, I.

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Top Lobster]

Again, I'm not, I'm not here to speculate on.

[David Lee Corbo]

To wrestle with God. Oftentimes you, you know, you come out in a good place and you're better for it, but to wrestle with God and then to, to lose the plot and, and, you know, also to, to Paul's point, when he's calling him cringy before, that's not just a throwaway thing. It's like, what do we identify as cringy very times. It's childish behavior. Yeah. And you're literally, for the rest of your life, the theme is behaving in a way that you did when something traumatic happened to you as a child, but you had a limited capacity, the capacity of a child to deal with it, and then you continued that behavior all the way into adulthood to the point where it was your legacy. So, yeah, in, in that way, it's, it's definitively cringe. But, you know, going back to Paul, what you were saying before about this Helena Blavatsky, and then in conjunction with the further works of Alice Bailey, coming to this conclusion that 2025 is going to be this. I believe what they said was this idea of moving into the age of Aquarius. And they also use interesting language, by the way, Paul, about a golden age, which I don't know if you've been seeing the language that Trump himself has been using as he's secured the presidency here in America or he's won the election. And, and so we're getting ready for this new Trump administration, and he's calling it a golden age, which I think is. Is not an accident at all. And so there are other characters as well. I've talked about Baba Baba Vanga. She was a sort of a mystic, a clairvoyant, a psychic from some small European village. She died a number of years ago, but was able to predict her own death down to the day. Also was able to predict 9, 11, the death of Princess Diana. She's one of the more famous, more renowned psychics. And, you know, say of her what you will, it's still interesting that she thinks that in 2025 we're going to have an encounter with aliens. And I believe that one of the summations of Alice Bailey and her work, after examining Helena Blavatsky's works, came to the conclusion that not only Will this be a golden age or the age of Aquarius? But it will be marked by the return of Christ sometime after 2025 A.D. this is a lot of really weird stuff pointing to this moment. And you want to talk about getting not pigeonholed, but doing old hat, telling the same story every podcast you're on. We've been all over talking about Cliff High, who is not a clairvoyant. He's not a holy man. He's an older dude who developed a software that has some predictive capabilities. And he's predicted some things that have made us go maybe worth consideration. What else Cliff High thinks will come to pass with his program? And one of those things is that starting December 3rd, this past December 3rd, we were supposed to start to deal with a high level aerial phenomenon having to do with UFOs. And he thinks that this will gradually snowball into a much bigger thing that will lead to what he calls Sci Fi World. And Sci Fi World is going to be this new place where there's going to be alien technology, they're going to integrate with us somehow, and we're going to move into somewhat of a utopia, a golden age, if you will. Now, you could do whatever you want with Cliff High's predictions. He certainly got a lot of things wrong. But what is much more difficult to dismiss is the writing that's on the wall in this moment. We all can feel that we're at a pivotal moment in time, even if it's just America going into the Trump administration in conjunction with these drones or UFOs that seem to be happening all over the country. What was previously just New Jersey is now much more widespread. But you have all of these relatively celebrated characters. Helena Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Baba Vanga. You know, Cliff, a lot of people are pointing to now. And so the big question is, are we at the now where they're rolling out these things to try to deceive us? I mean, we're in America. It feels close to home. Is this sentiment the same across the pond?

[Paul Stobbs]

No one in the UK is thinking about these things. Not really. It just seemed like a very amerrocentric problem, to be honest. But at the same time, I've been watching the footage of these orbs appearing and manifesting in the sky in clusters, you know, and moving and disappearing. And I watched a video actually on Twitter that someone sent me, and it was identical to what I witnessed in Lincoln in the UK in 2012. So I've seen these already, you know, with my own eyes. I've seen multiple swimming orbs in the space sky at night time, doing night photography. You know, things that just clearly aren't satellites, they're clearly not planes. They are something. Something's alive up there and glows, you know, it's moving like a, like a fish swimming through water, you know what I mean? And it's kind of. So these are nothing new to me. I got over the shock ages ago when I see something like this now. I don't feel anything. It's kind of like, well, there they are still there. And I feel like what we're seeing in America has always been happening just like it was happening in 2012 in the UK. This is a natural earthly phenomena where you get a. Some kind of thinning of the veil between the spirit realm and the physical realm in some way where these things happen, you know, and these light, visual things appear. And in a way that's kind of the only way our limited perception can perceive these entities. There's just light forms. We can't actually see what they truly look like because they're not physical like we are. You know, there's something else. They're on a different spectrum, shall we say? I think there are moments where that spectrum breaks down and we can, we can perceive them. The only thing different now is that the media is pointing the camera at them. So it feels like there's more of them. It feels like sudden. This is a brand new phenomena and now we need to keep an eye on it. It's about that drip feed disclosure thing we were talking about, you know, and. But the thing is.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interject for a moment. I just want to say if this resonates with you, this is an idea that I had about him. It almost feels like we're so busy looking down, not paying attention to this guy, that this could have very well been happening. But they needed some sort of primer to get us to like look up for a.

[Paul Stobbs]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it was just our act of paying attention that happened to catch these things.

[Paul Stobbs]

Exactly. And I think it's kind of. Now the media is talking about it, suddenly everybody. And everybody knows about the orbs in the sky. But I've been screaming about these things for over a decade because they're there and look up, they're clearly there. And now obviously they've kind of muddied the waters with, well, is it a drone? Is it a ufo? Is it man made? What is it exactly? You know, and it's kind of. They have to have that plausible deniability. Oh, no, no, no, we're searching for radioactive material, you know what I mean? Or something like that. And it's kind of, you can clearly see what isn't, isn't a man made drone. And it seems like some of these orbs are behaving like drones as well. It's very, it's very odd situation going on and I think it's supposed to be confusing. That's part of the psyop. Like is, is it, are we, are we under attack by man or are we under attack by aliens? Who knows right now? But people will fall back on the human element, but they'll always have that tugging in the back of their mind of could this be something more? And that's what they have to begin with. The plot, the, the questioning of, of it, could this be something else? You know, and then eventually become more and more apparent that, yeah, there is something else happening. And, but they can't just do that straight away. People would have mass panic. People go nuts, people just break down and go crazy. Well, not, maybe not nowadays. I think the brainwashing has done a good job of getting people ready for this, to be honest. I think some people are bored and just waiting for aliens to turn up now because just, yeah, sick of the mundane reality we live in of eat, sleep, work, repeat. You know, it's like, well, aliens just turn up already. So some people are gagging for this. Like, come on, orbs, do more stuff like reveal yourself. You know. But I would say this has been going on for a long time. This is, this is not new. It started off as a fringe community online pointing them out with these crazy grainy videos. And everyone was laughing at us 10 years ago to now. The media's pointing at them and everybody, and everybody's a ufology, ufologist now. You know, it's kind of, it's the revelation of the method, it's the slow drip feeding of the truth to get everyone acclimatized to it. It's a slow predictive programming method beginning with awesome Wells and the War of the worlds 100 years ago and his radio broadcast to the whole Hollywood media today. And the narrative always goes, bad aliens turn up, humanity gets destroyed, humanity rebels against the bad aliens, good aliens turn up to help humanity, humanity prevails and then there's a utopia. Okay? So this aligns with the whole golden age coming and all these type of things. It might not be as cut and dry and straightforward as the Hollywood narrative, but they've primed people for this for a long time. And predictor programming's Purpose is to get people to behave in the way they want them to behave when the thing happens. So we'll, we'll, we'll see. It's gonna be, I mean, I don't like to make predictions because we're always wrong. It always comes out of left field and something completely unpredictable happens. But this is not new. The camera's just on them now. And that's the game that's being played against us here. And I don't know what, I don't know what they are necessarily. People have told me, I've seen many theories. Either they are the O fanim wheels within wheels angels that Ezekiel witnessed covered in eyes, the be not afraid angels, you know, or they are fallen angels of some kind, or they are demonic entities manifesting physical, or people say the, the positive entities here to make us, I don't know, communicate with those or something like that. I've seen videos of people talking about Jesus while filming them and watching them wiggle and go weird, you know, and say, oh, you know Jesus, do you? You know, and I've seen that one too.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was a weird. Because that look, I mean, yeah, it's weird because it's an odulating ball of light, but it did seem to suddenly break pattern and behave discernibly differently. When this woman starts asking this orb a star. I don't know if it knows Jesus Christ. And it did start to behave a little bit differently. But what's interesting to me, Paul, is I, I spoke to my mother recently. My mother is in the New, New Jersey, New York area and actually called me to ask me if I knew anything about the drones. And after some. Oh, actually it's a good time to let me address the audience. Guys. This stream is going to be ending on Twitter Rumble and Twitch very soon for editing purposes. If you want to continue watching along and enjoying an ad free experience, you can go to Nephilim or I'm sorry, patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad and continue watching there. Otherwise this episode will drop in its entirety in a matter of days once we edit it a little bit. But otherwise you can head over to patreon.com nephilim death squad. So what she said that I, I thought was pretty curious was the sentiment that she's seeing overwhelmingly is that these things are part of a larger government scop and they're not real. And that's nice because I go, oh, look, people are catching on. My mother's not in the conspiratorial corners of the Internet. And yet this sentiment is making it to her. But I have to admit, when my ideas are too closely in alignment with, I don't know, the general public or in particular specific characters, like when Tucker Carlson was saying that the nephilim have to do with the ufo, I was like, man, am I wrong? So excuse me, when I see that there's that many people expressing this sentiment, I have to check myself and go, well, what is it that I'm missing? And what I think that I'm missing is if we are going to get to some sort of government backed disclosure and you think that this is strictly a government op, which I wouldn't say that you're wrong. But if you think it's strictly a government OP and that these things aren't real, well, you're going to be in a really strange place if they show you some of the really strange things that you may not believe exist. And when that happens, that's when you're going to have this shattering worldview moment. You were talking before about how there will be sort of a. How did you put it? I actually wrote it down here. Everyone got it right, but they're all wrong moment. Which by the way, is very much my argument with Christianity where people go, oh, you believe in the Bible, in Christianity, but you think everybody else is wrong? And it's like, well, that's not exactly what I think. I think that they're all right about a lot of stuff, but they're wrong about the fundamental nature of these things. And that is an important deviation. I think the Bible has a better explanation as to the nature of these entities, what they are in relation to us, what we are in relation to God, all those other things, other religions will tell you all kinds of crazy things like the entities are the ones who created us. Which by the way, is probably what's coming down the pipe when it comes to this entire story. But in that way, because they are all so close to the truth, they all did get it right, but they are all wrong. It's going to be very easy to draw on all the ways in which they're right and just slide them over to, you know, whatever this new alien religion is. And there's a lot of people like the aforementioned people that predicted that this unification, this one world religion was going to come. And once again, that's also the contention of, of Cliff High in his program is that this is going to, it's going to shake people to their core beliefs. So much so that there is a great falling away from all of these different world religions and a new consolidating under. Under another one, which I think is fascinating because I think that even when you're atheist and you think that you don't worship anything, we've talked about it over and over again, you're always giving your veneration to something, whether it's the Star wars pictures on your walls and you got to go out and see every Marvel movie or whatever it is. It's like human beings are worship machines and we're always going to aim that energy and that worship at something. So I don't think there's really such thing as an atheist. I think you're probably just venerating something silly. But that being said, I do worry for people that they will not have an intimate enough relationship with the supernatural through specifically the biblical lens to withstand what's going to happen to people. Do you see that being a real problem? Because sometimes I wonder if we're in this renaissance for Christianity. It feels like that sometimes. Maybe I'm just too close to it. But on the other hand, I see this falling away coming, and I'm not too sure where to place it.

[Paul Stobbs]

First of all, there are many Christians who are awaiting the second coming of Christ to establish his millennial kingdom, which would be a golden age. So most futurist Christians who are following that end times eschatology, which is that tribulation is about to come upon us, and then there will be certain destruction and then there'll be an establishment of Christ and his kingdom afterwards with the resurrected saints, you know, and people are waiting for that to happen and there'll be a golden age. I think they're going to manufacture something that's similar to that with this whole alien agenda. But it'll be almost, but not quite so you kind of got it right but not quite situation. So even the Christians will then get lumped in with, oh, so this is what they were really talking about. This thing is what was really going on. It's the matreya, not Jesus. We got it wrong there. But this golden age is still coming. The millennial kingdom's still coming, you know, and the tribulation has still happened, but it involved these aliens from space or something. And Christians will rationalize and still keep their faith. So called that they got it kind of right. We were close, good enough. And then they'll join the universalist religion, you know, of all religions, as one. So many Christians are primed through futurist eschatology, I would say, to actually fall lockstep with It. I've always contended quite recently that we are in the wrong time compared to what most Christians believe. I contend that the millennial reign of Christ already happened in what we call the Dark Ages or the Medieval kingdom. And we are living in the little season of Satan. And the only thing that Revelation tells you about this is that there's going to be a time where all the nations are deceived by the devil for a short season, and they are gathered into a very big army to make war with the camp of saints. And I believe the camp of saints is in the center of the flat, stationary, enclosed earth, okay, where there is no space, you know. And I believe that's where Jesus is currently residing after his millennial reign with the saints. It could also be in a place called New Jerusalem, which is a giant floating city which is 16,000 by 16,000 miles wide. It's as big as continents. And when that thing suddenly becomes visible again, everyone's going to think we're under attack by a giant mothership. Why? Because that's what the programming has told them. That's what they'll fall back on when they see something like that. Most people are primed through the media, through 100 years worth of indoctrination and programming that when New Jerusalem appears, it's going to look like a giant Independence Day mothership. They're not going to have any other framework to interpret it. And this goes hand in hand with, you know, the, the alien agenda we're witnessing today. I think they're prepping people for the appearance of this New Jerusalem. And if everyone sees this, this is where all the other things can get kind of brought into the, the equation or the other conspiracies, the dumbs, the underground military bases, the genetic engineering programmings, the creating of Chimera hybrid monsters, the UFO phenomena, the flying saucer stuff, the anti gravity technology Since World War II, you know, the Verman is being recreated and all this type of thing by the Nazis. It's kind of when the new mothership appears, or Jesus appears in his beloved city, his floating city, and all eyes can see it, just look north. It's there. It's enormous. You know, everyone thinks we're under attack by aliens. Why? Because the people in control will release their UFOs. The Chimera Monsters, everything from the sea that they've been building, or the underground military bases, all the subterranean monsters that have been. The lizard people might come out, the crab people might come out. I don't know. You know, whatever the monstrosities and abominations have been creating. But on Earth, to us, from the normie perspective, it seems like the mothership turned up and then we started getting attacked by aliens, man. But realistically, that's just New Jerusalem becoming visible. It's always been there. It's the heavenly kingdom of God.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what I love about that is I often am looking for a deception that I think is, like, formidable enough that you really could go. You would deceive the whole world. Yeah. And mostly I've yet to find anything like that. And. And the little Season theory is fascinating to me because we've gone back and forth and it's like a really contentious theory. We had JT follows JC on recently to. To kind of reinforce it, bring some more evidence for it. We've also had Ed Mabry on, and Ed maybe gave his why he doesn't think so. And so we've been going back and forth on this, and admittedly so have I in my own mind, where I'm like, okay, I could see that as being, you know, pretty compelling. And then I go, oh, okay, that makes more sense as to why not? And then, you know, I'm brought back in. Back and forth, back and forth. But what is true about that theory is at the root of it, I sense a plan big enough to actually deceive the entire world. And that, I think, is because I've always had this notion. It's like, whatever the deception is, is not going to be one that, like, the average person is going to pull. It's not going to be on infowars. It's not going to be mainstream conspiracy. Even if conspiracy ever does go mainstream, the real truth will always remain on the underbelly, kind of attributed to people who are willing to do that much strenuous research just because it could never. It could never reach that sort of a height. Too many people would be aware of it. In other words. And you know, the idea of, like, how would you ever get people to turn on Christ when Christ is in the sky? You know what I mean?

[Paul Stobbs]

They don't know it's Christ exactly. They think they were attacked by aliens. And that's the only way I can see them convincing the entire Earth to come together as one giant army to go and make war with the camp of saints, as is explained in Revelation. Well, everyone has to believe they're under attack by aliens. And all humanity needs to come together as one for the survival of the human species. And if you don't join the army and go and fight, then you're a traitor to humanity. It's life or death. It's the survival of the Earth, you know, and we'll win. We'll win the war because good aliens will turn up and help us or something. I don't know. Good aliens will turn up and say, we're here to help humanity ascend to the next level of consciousness by offering you this technology. And then once you defeat this evil invading empire that's, that's going around conglomerating different planets, you can join the Galactic Federation with us. You know, it's kind of. We're here to help you push them back. Something, some nonsense like that will happen because that's what the programming is. That's what the films, they will happen. That's what these channelers are all saying is going to happen on the cringe Tick tocks and Instagram. You know what I mean? It's kind of. And it, it's. It's all there. And the only context, biblically speaking, I can fit alien invasion into is the little season. The Gog Magog war and the surrounding of the camp of saints is the only part of the biblical narrative where it fits. And we have evidence or it is evident, should we say, that the millennial kingdom of Christ has already happened. So we are in the little season. So to me, it fits. And it explains why there even is an alien agenda to begin with. It's to prep for this final war where the whole Earth is convinced to come together as one to fight a giant floating city, which we will only think is, by this point, an alien invasion. It works. It fits. You know, it's the best we've got. I could be wrong. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not. I'm gonna take anyway.

[Top Lobster]

So part of, part of Cliff High's prediction is the melee in the skies, which. Which is why, like, the New Jersey drone thing kind of popped off. But specifically, he says the web bottom says that there'll be three factions. So melee just means, like, fighting between factions that don't have a leader. So they're just going to be outright fighting. But besides, besides that definition, the three factions, one will be human, the other two will be what he describes as alien. And that your theory now kind of rubs up against that a little bit because we were thinking we're like, well, there'll be two alien sources in the sky that are battling each other. What is, like, why that. You know, how. How does that line up? But if in fact, yeah, God's heavenly hosts do use things that Kind of look like spaceships, because, again, like, if you. If you do think about it, if fallen angels would. If we think that the Nephilim might be the aliens, might be a rebranding of the Nephilim in a certain way. But why wouldn't the other angels, the ones that aren't fallen, have similar technology and be using that? So, yeah, it's. That's very confusing. Very confusing.

[David Lee Corbo]

The other thing that I think plays with that pretty well is this character Cliff. He is guessing that one of the alien elements might be the Grays. And the reason that that's important to me is because I've gotten to the point now in my research where it seems like the Grays are more like a biotech. They're not really truly living in any sense of the word, and they seem to be a means to an end, maybe a way for spiritual beings to inhabit a physical host that has very limited capabilities, cannot reproduce, doesn't have emotion or anything like that, but at least it can integrate then, or interact with our physical realm through this thing. And what's interesting about that is if you were to have a battle between two alien factions and one of them is the Grays. Well, the Grays are automatons. They're technology. They belong to someone. And that would be the implications of that. And how clever then would it be? You know, this is just spitballing. How clever then would it be to destroy your own technology? Which, by the way, we would never accept that they were the good guys because they abduct us against our will. They take us in the night, they break into our homes, they take our children. Some people never return. They perform. It's a horrifying experience to be abducted by these things. And so we would never accept them as the good guys. Well, very clever, then, to destroy your own technology, claim yourselves to be the good guys, but then also say, well, they're going to be back, and when they show up, they're going to be bigger and they're going to bring motherships and, you know, this is only a temporary fix, but it's coming. Imagine if they did that and then spent the next X amount of years after creating some perceived utopia on Earth, like childhood's end, where they give us technology and they. And they give us systems that create peace on Earth, all the while telling us in so many years time, these Grays that we liberated you from, along with your, you know, evil overlords, they're going to return and you'd better be ready. I mean, I. I look that if that's not a movie, somebody should make that a movie, right? This idea of waiting for the impending doom, the return of the grays you've mobilized, you've spent all this time living in this utopia, but, but also strengthening yourselves, ready for this altercation and what shows up on the horizon but New Jerusalem?

[Paul Stobbs]

Well, the thing is, if you, like, fed an AI machine, every script of every alien fiction has ever existed, it would churn out that story as an, as an amalgamation, because that is the programming. That's what the prepping goes for, in a way. And they kind of have been telling you that this is what's going to happen, and you're right. It's. It's the perfect deception, isn't it? It's the Phoenix rising. From their own perceived ashes, they've destroyed the old world order they've built through these Grays. And the deception to replace it with the light that they also control. It's dark for light. It's black and white. It's Masonic theater. At the end of the day, they control both sides of this, of this eagle, this bird, this winged entity, you know, and it's kind of we're going to destroy the bad that we created and be the solution of lights that we've also created. And it'll seem from their perspective as a natural progression to something better, but we orchestrated the situation. You know, it's. It's problem, reaction, solution. To quote David Iker classic there, you know, it's kind of they created the problem to give you the solution. And this is Lucifer posing as a being of light. He is placing himself in the position of God over mankind. He is the. He's. He is positioning himself as the light Bringer, the bringer of knowledge, the bringer of wisdom and, and freedom from an evil, oppressive regime of God, in a sense, you know, and if you're gonna go off that narrative, the Anunnaki who created us and suppressed us are gods technically, aren't they, from that New age perspective that are being defeated? You know, it's all kind of weaved into this idea that there's. There's good aliens and bad aliens, and the bad, the good aliens are going to help us beat the bad aliens. But these aren't God's angels fighting fallen angels or something. They're all bad. Posing is good. You know, it's all the double. It's a double bluff. But like I said, even Christians are prime to believe that angels are fighting back against fallen angels. And it's kind of everyone's everyone's being played here massively the same thing as.

[David Lee Corbo]

As QAnon, isn't it? Because QAnon very much seems like a Masonic left hand path, right hand path. They even call themselves like the white hats or whatever it is. And it's like you have white magicians versus dark magicians, but really what you have is two puppets on the same hand of the same entity. And you're watching a transition of power or what is a perceived transition of power. But it's not. It's just you don't want the bad guy to have the power. And so when it gets passed to somebody who's perceived as a good guy, you think it's good, but it's really just another puppet on the same hand. And so we get the theater, we get the satisfaction. Human beings, by the way, seemingly easily hijacked by good storytelling. That's. That's very like. That's one of our biggest downfalls. But also, I think it's something that's beautiful about us because a good story is. It's got a sense of humanity in it. Like we were talking the other day, we're watching the breakdown of. We're watching, we're doing the breakdown of Kim Kardashian's Christmas music video. And we said it was interesting in the end that they showed Macaulay Culkin. And the reason that that was interesting is Macaulay is not only synonymous with Christmas, but he's also like a good guy. And in so many ways, in Home Alone, the film Home Al, it is an emulation of the hero's journey. And you know, because it's like you have this young boy, he's thrown into chaos when his family leaves him behind. He has to face these, these horrifying things and overcomes them at against all odds is better for it, and then returns back to his family. And the original hero's journey would have been the story of Christ. Right? You want to talk about the ultimate. Leaving your home, delving into the actual underworld, dying, conquering death, returning back and, and being, you know, obviously better for it. This is like a microcosm of Jesus Christ's hero's journey. So when you take a character that is emulating if Jesus Christ is the true hero in the. In the most potent form of the hero's journey, then Macaulay Culkin is like a granular, like a piece of sand from that entire body. And it's given to us in a form of entertainment. And then to take him, invert him and turn him into Kind of the bad guy at the end of this film, he has like an evil smirk on his face. He's dressed as Santa or Satan. You know, if that's what you and I do think there's a lot of validity to that. So, you know, in so many ways, we can be hijacked by good storytelling. But our saving grace as human beings is the greatest story ever, you know, in. In the story of Jesus Christ. So it's, it's both beautiful, but it's. It's. It's dangerous because, yeah, whoever these forces are, they're very aware that if you can weave a compelling story in front of our faces, that we will. As long as it hits all the hallmark things, as long as it's all there for us and, and, you know, it hits all those spots, then, yeah, we'll believe it.

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah, well, it's. It's the greatest story ever. The alien invasion is it. You know, like I said, people are waiting for it to happen. If not, not a zombie invasion or something instead. But I switch off from TV a long time ago. I learned a very long time ago the game of that box is to control your perception of reality. That's all this job is.

[Top Lobster]

That's.

[Paul Stobbs]

That's its job. It's not your friend. You need to control the information that goes through your eyes into your brain. You need to control the light that you're looking at, okay? And the only thing coming out of the light of that box is there to control you and to give you a narrative. And I said they feed a bit of truth here and there, but they're constantly telling you a story and they're repeating the story over and over again, and they want you to believe you're a part of that story. And you know, you're. That journey is your journey, you know, and it. Everybody has been primed for the coming alien invasion. And on a subtle, subconscious level, it's always going to be there. It's always there. And Pete, when it happens, we were talking earlier, you know, this great falling away, or people aren't quite ready or like, you got the normies out there saying, now this is all governmental stuff, you know, and it's not real. But then when it all becomes real, fear kicks in. What do people do when fear takes over? They fall back on the programming.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Paul Stobbs]

Okay. And we all saw in 2020 what fear did to people and what they did with their programming, okay? They capitulated and became little Hitlers, many of them, you know, and they. They did exactly what they were Told to do by authorities. And they. Even though all of them knew authorities couldn't be trusted, all the programming has told them, trust the authorities. So they fell back to the programming and lost their cognitive faculties in that moment and the same thing. What do you think will happen when New Jerusalem rocks up? The people, first of all, probably 10 of the population will die from fear from a heart attack, first of all, because I don't think they can comprehend or have any room in the world for a mothership to appear in the sky. And they won't know how to program, like process that happening and they will die. Okay. I think that will happen. A big chunk of the population will be dead immediately. And maybe they'll try and spin that off as like a rapture or something from a Chris, I don't know. But something horrible will happen. To begin with, there'll be a mass die off and there and then there'll be riots and wars over interpretations of what's happening. There'll be probably a mass rejection of religion and Christianity and atheism at the same time. I reckon. I reckon there'll be a pseudo spiritual aspect to all of this. They won't be aliens from space. They're interdimensional as well or something like. Like that. You know what I mean? It's kind of like a multifaceted happening. So the atheists can no longer say there isn't a spirit realm, but Christians can no longer say there's a God either, or that Jesus was all that with the world. Because now there's aliens turning up. So there's no room for that in the Christian narrative. Like I said, there'd be a great falling away and it'll be chaos for. For about a year, maybe two. There'll be people being attacked by monsters. There'll be all sorts of just stupid things happening. Stupid things. And all the movies about this are terrifying. Have you watched like A Quiet Place, for example? You know what I mean? It's kind of like it's absolutely terrifying. And people are gonna assume that's what's coming next, what the movie showed me.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Paul Stobbs]

So they will listen to anything they're being told and they'll want to. They'll want to believe it's true. Like, oh good.

[David Lee Corbo]

Has just been a programming machine for.

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

How long?

[Paul Stobbs]

Oh, good. Aliens have turned up to save us. Thank you. They'll believe it. Why would they, in that moment, are being beaten down, tortured, killed and put through the ringer. Would they suddenly then, in that moment have a moment of clarity and go, wait a minute, I think I'm being played here. I don't think that's gonna happen at all. They'll say, thank you, Please save us from this mess. Yeah, I'll take anything. I'll take whatever you're offering. I'll take it. Just help us free ourselves from this mess, you know? And then after that, Christians can say, well, this was the tribulation. Maybe it'll last seven years or three and a half years or something, I don't know. But it's kind of. Then the new age will come afterwards, probably led by a new charismatic leader, which will be the Matreya, which will be a Jesus analog, which will just be Lucifer or Satan revealing himself again, and he'll have his moment and then it'll be sudden destruction, then the end, probably. I don't know. Oh, like I said, it might be that. More of a. We push back the first wave and now we have to prepare for the coming of the final wave, you know, so they'll fake an alien invasion. It'll look very convincing. It'll include all the terrifying things I've just said. And then there'll be a time of peace and security and things are growing and getting better. In a utopia, humanity's advancing, we've destroyed religion and we're now moving forward and progressing our own evolution with our stop or the hood, you know, whatever it is. And then we'll be. We'll be ready for them when they come back, you know, and when they do come back, finally, that's when Jesus returns for the final Gog Magog war. Everyone's been convinced the whole earth, all nations have been deceived, as it says in Revelation. All nations are deceived, come together as one to make war with the floating beloved city. It's the only way it can play out. It's the only way, biblically speaking, it plays out. And so far, the Bible has done nothing to convince me it's false. I believe every bit of it, including the final few lines of Revelation, the end of the story. I think it's just as true. And I think, I think we can, we can know it's true. We can have faith. In fact, you don't even need faith anymore. I think it's becoming more and more apparent. This, this is our story. The Bible is. God is really has a plan and it's all about salvation. It says fear not 365 times in that book for a reason, because it's all a show. You're being played. There's a play going on and they want you to be a character on the stage. Stop playing the game. Focus on Jesus. Unplug from the Matrix if you want to use that weird term. You know what I mean? But just focus on the point that these are a defeated enemy and you have been given salvation through Jesus Christ. It's done, it's over. This is just a sad final attempt to, to trick humanity like a child. He's like a child. It's Aleister Crowley. Cringe. That's what the devil is. It's all the same, it's all the same stuff from me. So it's kind of. Don't, don't fear these things that come upon us. The worst they can do is kill you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Paul Stobbs]

But you know that and that's scary if you're not a Christian, right?

[Top Lobster]

It's so interesting because like I, how David was saying, we, I sort of flip flop on this idea the little season every time we talk to the next person we talk to. But yeah, so on one hand I find it hard to believe that any historical evidence of Jesus would be erased from his thousand year reign. Also biblically they talk about, you know, the mountains being flattened and things like this, like just certain geographical things that I don't know that if it happened in 70 A.D. or 500, 500 A.D. it would be hard to reconcile. But then when you, when you're thinking about these end times like this, like what you just laid out, this story and what we're seeing play out, it does make a lot of sense because the seven year tribulation doesn't fit anywhere into this alien narrative that's clearly on the horizon. So yeah, I don't, I just don't, I don't know where to put it. I don't know, I don't know exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

When he says it, it like to me, it really speaks to me as like I said, being a grand enough deception because you, I try to look at it through the lens of like if the whole, if all the nations are to be deceived, how in, how the hell would you do that? Like. Well, this is a pretty good answer. Not only is it a pretty good answer, but I could see it playing out that way. And then to the, to the extent that it would be difficult to obfuscate the remnants of a millennial kingdom or the evidence that Christ was already here, man. I mean look, we bring up so often the intricacies of Gothic cathedrals to the extent that they don't make sense in regards to our capabilities of executing them today. And then, of course, the remains of Tartaria and the evidence for mud, floods, and I'm not saying that those are definitively indicative of. And, and honestly, I feel like we need to do a Tartaria episode because it's something that we've not given its due diligence to. But I've seen enough peripherally and anecdotally to go like, oh, yeah, that's, that's strange. It seems that you've been able to submerge entire architectural accomplishments that it. When we unearth them and we see them now, we're like, how in the hell did we do that? I mean, especially when it comes to the Gothic cathedrals that were supposedly created in, like Paul said, the Dark Ages. Even that feels like a clever misrepresentation to call it the Dark Ages and then to show like the architecture and artwork that came out of it. You're like, huh? How is that. That seems like the, the epitome of architectural achievement by mankind.

[Top Lobster]

Architecture is, it's one thing, but it's like, man, did the Vatican successfully collect every book written about. And if you tell me that there was not books or something written about the reign of Christ, it's like, that's retarded. There obviously would be. So it's like, where'd this stuff go?

[David Lee Corbo]

But then the Vatican basements. You know what's in there, right? And you know, there's only rumors that we have that come out of there, but it's like allegedly a never ending, like, tunnel system filled with books and crates filled with relics that you know are never going to see the light of day again.

[Paul Stobbs]

So you ask yourself, 55 miles.

[David Lee Corbo]

55 miles. So you ask yourself, with 55 miles of underground tunnels, whatever, beneath the Vatican City, is it filled with one didn't.

[Top Lobster]

Get out, like, one didn't slip, maybe.

[David Lee Corbo]

That'S a crazy wonderful certain moments too, like, you know, the burning of the Library of Alexandria or even the burning of Notre Dame or Notre Dame, you kind of go like, I wonder what was lost in there and why those things happen. Which is interesting because that when David.

[Top Lobster]

Let him go. Let him go. Let him go.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, sorry.

[Top Lobster]

Go ahead, go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's like, shut up.

[Paul Stobbs]

Look, I would argue the evidence is there and it's not in a book format. It's. It's in everything else around you. And you can see it in the things that were made during these times. You can see in the artwork. And some books do kind of talk about it, but fish don't think about the water they're swimming in. I don't think the people who live during the millennial reign of Christ thought to be a point where people wouldn't realize this was the case as well. And there is a good case to say a lot of it was burnt, destroyed during a reset period in about the 1700s and when the takeover of the secret societies came in. So. And it doesn't take long to indoctrinate civilization. It takes about two generations to bury and hide and rewrite history. And history was written by the winners. There was a lot of revolutionary wars coming out the 20th century into the 21st century, which literally flattened civilizations and reset the playing field. The Russian Civil War, the American Civil War, European wars, World War I, World War II. Everything's changed now. And the. The main understanding of Christianity wasn't even futurism until very recently, until it was fully solidified in the seventies through the Jesus movement. But it was growing out from that, you know, maybe, maybe 50, 200 years prior. But prior to that historicism was the understanding that the Bible is a history book. It's all already happened. It's. It doesn't take as much as you think to deceive people is what I'm trying to say. It doesn't take as much as you think to hide history. And we do have historical evidences of past civilizations and Roman empires and so forth. But the dating's wrong. They've told you the wrong dates. I've just done a presentation with Joe not that long ago about a. A historian's work on a new chronology, looking at the first century and the first millennium, so the first thousand years from Christ. And we're told as this thousand years of history. And there was three cataclysms in the third century, the fifth, sixth century, and the ninth century spread out over like 700 years. He's made a very obvious, compelling case using archaeological discoveries and strata and layers and what we find when we dig. These are not three separate destruction events. And we're talking 90 of the population being wiped out. Destruction event here. Okay? He's saying this is. This was a ridiculously large destruction event on the Earth. It spread everywhere. It was all over the place. We're talking volcanoes, tidal waves, earthquakes, pestilence, famine, ice ages, Everything all at once. Fire, fervent heat. Just destruction on a scale you cannot comprehend. It wasn't.

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Paul Stobbs]

Of your entire [e-mail] as history tells us, three separate events spread out over 700 years. All the layers are telling us it was one event that happened in the first century, probably around 70 AD and 700 years has been added to the timeline. And what we call the 8th century or 700 AD is the 1st century. Realistically, it's the same time period. And what we get immediately in the 8th and 9th century is an explosion of Gothic and Romanesque style monasteries being built everywhere. All of a sudden after this destruction event, that sounds to me like tribulation, the resetting of humanity and then the establishment of a godly kingdom built through monasteries, helping people to recuperate and rebuild civilization after the destruction. That sounds like the establishment in the beginning of the millennial reign of Christ to me, after a major destruction event. But modern mainstream Scaligerian Jesuit history tells us no. That was a thousand year period where lots of destruction happened and many civilizations collapsed and all these type of things. But the archaeological physical evidence our eyes tell us there was one civilization, Rome. It was everywhere, it got destroyed and then this new civilization was built on top of it, literally on top of it, because it was all buried somehow. And there's nothing under Rome. There's nothing else. Okay. There's no layered strata. The archaeological evidence isn't there to suggest the history. They've been telling us that there are multiple levels of antiquity, Early Antiquity, Middle Antiquity and Late Antiquity through the first thousand years. There's just Rome. It's all the same. They're not separated. You got evidence from like the 9th century where they built a Roman basilica in the 9th century, built identical to the 1st century, early antiquity Roman basilicas. Why they've dated that way makes no sense because it's clearly the same architecture. One isn't from the 9th century and the other is from the 1st century. They're both 1st century. And he honestly lays it all out. He covers all the continents and explains the history of these places. We've been lied to about so much. We don't, never mind like where we are, who we are, we don't, we just don't know when we are either. It's a mess. And it's not as difficult as you think to hide history and just make stuff up and make people believe that it's true.

[Top Lobster]

Paul, can I ask you one question? And again, I just, I. It's not to be contentious and it's not a debate, but I really want to get to the bottom of this. In the Bible, it's obviously, it speaks about the, the small, the little season, the thousand year reign of Christ, but it doesn't mention Jesus leaving. So he comes, he reigns with a rod of iron for a thousand years, but it doesn't mention that he leaves. It does mention the little season, it does mention the gathering of these troops. And I love that the theory of, you know, a deception so great that he'll, he'll gather an army from all corners of the earth that outnumber the grains of sand. And it's like at first, you know, you might think that that's spiritual entities and stuff, but I think that that's also talking about the people, like that many people. But it just doesn't mention that Jesus leaves his throne. And I don't like to think that Jesus leaves his throne for Satan to rule. Once again. He was, he was the king of this earth. So like, how do you, where do.

[Paul Stobbs]

You put that in the millennial reign of Christ is just the thousand years Satan's locked up? That's what it really is. It's, it's not explicitly the thousand year reign of Christ necessarily. It's just a thousand year where the devil can't do his thing anymore. And during that first millennial thousand years, the saints are resurrected. So we, you know, it might not be that Jesus was walking around necessarily. It could be that he ascended to heaven and rules from heaven in the new Jerusalem, in the heavenly city on the right hand of God, you know, and his saints, his emissaries on earth who were resurrected were the ones that were building these places, helping mankind recuperate and establish this beautiful world unencumbered by Satan. Which is why we get these pinnacle of art forms, architectural structures everywhere like Gothic cathedrals, which we just can't build today because it's not practical, but they.

[David Lee Corbo]

Had, because we weren't hindered by these spiritual Forces.

[Paul Stobbs]

No, no devil anymore. He's locked up for a thousand years. So you can see it that way. Jt, you know, Joe thinks it was kind of a spiritual thing. It's kind of spiritually speaking. It's now a thousand year reign of Christ. Christendom took over the world. There was Constantinople, lasted a thousand years. You know, the new Catholic Roman Christian empire was a thousand years. You know, we have these evidences, these, these hints that there was a thousand year period with Christ, or Christendom at least reigns supreme. So you could just rule out that Christ was walking around physically and he was all a spiritual kingdom and he still rules spiritually from heaven even to this day. It's just now the devil's been released from his thousand year time. He's done his time, you know, and he's now he's released and he's doing his thing. And since his release we've seen the degradation of Christendom and the growing of these other ideologies like evolutionary theory, atheism, you know, communism, all these anti God ideologies have risen to the point where we're now in a relatively godless society and the churches are empty and these cathedrals are just crumbling and wasting away because no one can afford to keep upkeep them or even wants to upkeep them anymore. And it wasn't a sudden change, it was just once he was released, he chipped away what was built for that thousand year period where he was locked up. So there is that. You could, you can interpret it that way, but I'm like a hardcore conspiracy theorist, I'm like, nah, Jesus came to earth, he was there at the mountain, at the center of the earth. People made pilgrimages to him. As it says in Zachary, is it Zechariah or Zephaniah, people going up there once a year to take part in the feast. And if they didn't pay homage to the king, then, you know, you got droughts, you got, you suffered, you got no rain, you know, it's that kind of thing. And it's kind of either go to Mount Zion and pay respects to the king or you, you suffer greatly. And it's possible that's what it was, you know, and his saints were like his, his foot soldiers just going around ruling different sections, being kings on the earth over the earth, taking over the old beast empire that was built and building their own structures in with it all, you know, and that's why you have like, you know, I don't know, Mont St. Michelle, you know, St. Michael and you got all these. Everything's like St. John's Cathedral, St. Peter's Basilica. And it's kind of because they, they were theirs. It belonged to them, you know, and they ruled on Earth. And it's possible when the Satan was released, it's like, come back to the beloved city now. You know, it's. It's now our time to let Satan do his thing. It's all part of the plan. It's the final. It's the final throws of, of the, of the process. And I've tried to speculate why. Why, okay, why does Satan get to do this? You know? And I think it has something to do with free will. I think it has something to do with giving everybody a. A fair take at salvation. Because it's easy to believe in Jesus when he's walking around. Okay? It's easy to believe in the son of God when everything's perfect and there's no tribulation. The devil's locked up and everything's fine. You know, I think it's through tribulation that people are tested and you finally see where the religions truly lie on what they've got and what they can achieve and what they can really do to spread the kingdom. And it's possible, and this is again, speculation, but you can interpret the end passages that those who take part in the first resurrection get to rule with Christ for a thousand years on earth. So that's the millennial kingdom I'm talking about. And then it says the rest of the dead live not again till those thousand years has ended. So it does end. It just does. So there's your Jesus going away. It tells you it ends. That's the book. You know why? Let's speculate. If the rest of the dead are resurrected after the thousand years, could it be that those are the people who lived during a time before Christ was around, before they had the. The opportunity to be saved and accept his sacrifice? Is it possible? Shio was emptied, and we are living in that time now with 9 billion people and growing, where the rest of the dead are being put back into the earth to make a choice. Because now we're living a world where the devil's active, temptation's active again, but you can know Jesus so you can make a choice now. It's fair. It's now fair everybody gets a chance again. But we're dealt. We're kind of. People would argue, are you going into reincarnation territory there? And that stuff I was gonna say.

[Top Lobster]

You know, it's interesting.

[Paul Stobbs]

I think the book, the Bible is a book about conquering death and resurrection. So I don't think it's beyond God to resurrect people. I don't think we can limit him like that, you know, and if he wants to resurrect people again, to have a chance of living and accepting his son, who are we to argue against that? He could be doing that? So that's one theory. Idea. I can only give you speculation, but it's kind of, who knows, the, the mind of God.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what plays well with that, Paul, is we're having this moment right now where there's a friend of the show, Donnie darkened, and he has identified this old system, leftists, sexual immorality, drag queen story hour, all that kind of stuff, as being part of this like, harlot system. And that Donald Trump is ushering what would be like the beast system. So we're going to watch the beast overthrow the harlot. And I. That resonates with me in very many ways. But it puts us in a different time, biblically speaking. Right?

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

But what I do notice about it.

[Top Lobster]

Is it could be a replication.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's what I was going to say. There are breadcrumbs all around Donald Trump that are meant for people like you and I to pick up on, you know, and it's. I'm not saying I don't look at those things and go, I'm so smart. That's why when I see these things, I piece them together as being Donald Trump is part of some sort of deception.

[Top Lobster]

I look at them and I go, why the fuck are they there?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, why are they there? Why are they able to be spotted by somebody like me? Which, you know, now I'm not even trying to be self deprecating. I'm just saying, like, I'm just a regular schmuck. Why on earth should I have the ability to perceive these things in such an obvious way? And, well, it's kind of like I.

[Paul Stobbs]

Get what he's saying. It's kind, it's kind of like, are they that stupid? Yeah. To drop that top secret file and let it leak all over the Internet. It's like, whoops, I accidentally dropped it all. All my work for the past year and now it's been leaked to the Internet. Oh, no. You know, it's kind of yes. Could it be? That's the point. They are trying to make it seem like tribulation is happening by having many marks of the beasts coming out every so often. You know, it's. It's it's barcodes, it's, it's chip and pin and then it's RFID chips in the hands. And then it's like all these Antichrist characters.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's always a historical Antichrist character.

[Top Lobster]

Always.

[Paul Stobbs]

There's always a new Antichrist every decade. Every new president's the Antichrist candidate who.

[David Lee Corbo]

Does fit the bill in so many ways. It's not like it's not founded because.

[Paul Stobbs]

They make loads of things happen around them that points to it. You know, like he'll suffer a mortal head wound and survive. Gets clipped in the ear by a bullet and survives. It's kind of, it's convoluted. It's, it's Masonic theater. It's crap. It's. Because it's supposed to be interpreted that way. It's not. You know, it fits the narrative of this little season. When you start seeing it this way. They are orchestrating tribulation style stuff to keep you locked into the wrong time. Because you can't get rid of Jesus. You can't get rid of the truth. He is the truth. The way in the life you know his word will never pass away. There's nothing you can do to get rid of the Bible. There's way too many books everywhere, like showing the Gospel. Even in a little season, he wouldn't have a chance of erasing Jesus. The cathedrals are everywhere. No way. But what he can do is change where you think you are in time.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Paul Stobbs]

And that changes everything.

[Top Lobster]

And they do that with Jesus. Like, I mean there's numerous, most new age religion or like a Billy Carson type will tell you, well, Jesus is just a metaphor for son or, or like, you know, Mother Mary is in semiramis and like these, it's a, it's a story about Jesus that mimics what happened or what, what was to happen with Jesus.

[David Lee Corbo]

But it's a fake because it's all about causing confusion. Right.

[Top Lobster]

Right. Yeah. Huh.

[David Lee Corbo]

And look, I, I know we, we don't have you that much longer, Paul, so the last thing that I kind of wanted to touch on is something that you already did. But I was hoping you could elaborate a little bit. I think it's a very important thing to tell people a little bit more about the fact that futurism is new and that this book was previously looked at as a record of history, things that already happened and that it was maintained that way for how long and only till relatively recently we had this idea that this was about something that was coming.

[Paul Stobbs]

Yes. It, it's not as predominant as you think it. As you think it is. It's like you look around at the churches a day and you, you would assume it's always been this way.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Paul Stobbs]

We're all, we're always, we're always waiting for the Rapture to come, you know, and a lot of people have the faith in Christendom based on this idea that tribulation is about to come. And if I have faith in Jesus, I have the blessed hope that I don't have to suffer through it. I'll get taken away and then I'll get to reign with Christ for a thousand years in his beautiful kingdom. It's all promised on this. You'll get lots of nice things if you believe in Jesus, you know, And I think that's. It's a very weak Christianity. I believe it is. I'm saying out loud here. And I don't know the rules of engagement for Christianity because I wasn't raised in a church. But from my observations, the fruit's bad from that kind of theology. And you look into it and you realize prior to like the 70s, it wasn't the main theology. Historicism was, which was that the Bible's a history book. It's telling you about what's happened already.

[David Lee Corbo]

The seventies.

[Paul Stobbs]

Well, there was. Well, no, it, the seventies was a new revival which solidified the futurist eschatology. But prior to that there had, there had been people who had written specialist Bible interpretations that were.

[David Lee Corbo]

But it wasn't like widely accepted.

[Paul Stobbs]

Well, it's because of the Israel being made a new nation again in the 40s. That's what sparked this popularity, this idea that we must be seeing a time where now a new temple.

[David Lee Corbo]

Look at, Wait, wait, look at Top Lobster smiling. I know exactly what just happened there.

[Top Lobster]

Because, because it's, it's, it does make a lot of. It's all created.

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah, yeah. And it's the idea that, well, if Israel is now a nation again and there isn't a temple, and we need a temple for the Antichrist to stand in to proclaim himself to be God. So therefore now we're going to wait for the chosen ones of God to build third temple, even though nothing's mentioned about a third temple in the Bible. But because we don't know about the millennium reign Christ people then assumed, well, we must be here in time because Israel's only just become a nation again. So now we must be waiting for a temple to be built so the Antichrist can stand in the temple, proclaim to be God. We must be here in time. And then by the time we got to the 70s it was, and it was this Jesus people movement which was like a counter reformation to the hippie movement of this, of the seventies. It's all God focused.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm sorry to interject but it's like we're always looking at that red heifer situation and how they have a, A, you know, several farms that are, that's goal is to genetically create the perfect red heifer which we go like that's weird because if that is in some sort of prophecy and you're then genetically.

[Top Lobster]

Altering, it's fishwire God stuff. Like this is what I say about the Jews all the time where it's like they hang up the fishwire around New York City to fool God and to create this prophecy. But it's like are you creating prophecy or are you just recreating what you possibly think happened in what we're looking for again?

[David Lee Corbo]

Or maybe what we would identify as prophecy? Right?

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah. It's a double edged sword because they're creating what looks to Christians like tribulation prophecy about to be fulfilled. But also you have to remember the Jews rejected the true Messiah and they're waiting for their Messiah to turn up still.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Paul Stobbs]

He's going to be a conquering tyrant king, which is what they assume. Power, real power. Jesus came as a servant, you know, they didn't like that. That's not what they were expecting. They wanted Barabbas Jesus, they didn't want Jesus Christ, the, the feet washing servants, pacifist, you know, they wanted the rebellious gonna crush Rome revolutionary leader type savior, you know. And it's in a way, I suppose they're still waiting for that many of them because they also rejected Christ. So they're trying to usher in all of these things to create the circumstances in which their Messiah can turn up. So but even then many people are deceived on many levels. I'm not saying like the Jews are doing it all because I think many of them do believe that they're waiting for their Messiah to turn up. And that's all this is real prophecy coming to fruition.

[Top Lobster]

But it plays a part.

[Paul Stobbs]

Well, there's bad actors in every, every culture and we, we could talk at the end of the end of the time about those particular ones, but it depends how much you want to, you know, keep talking about things.

[Top Lobster]

One more question. I know you got to go and I suggest I recommend people hop over to your live stream which you're going to be starting in a couple minutes.

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So if who, who did you say predicted the return of Christ? Was it Baba Vonga or. There's a couple people.

[Paul Stobbs]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

I believe it was actually Blavatsky, Helena Blavatsky, but Alice Bailey is the one who came to that idea. Yeah.

[Paul Stobbs]

These people created the Lucist Trust, or a magazine based from a magazine called Lucifer. They know the agenda. Are they really having prophecy and getting it right, or do they just know the plan?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, right, Right.

[Top Lobster]

So are they. Yeah. Are they complicit in this little. In the little season?

[Paul Stobbs]

These people have future goals. They're not thinking short term. They're thinking, in 100 years from now, we're gonna have them right. We're gonna have them right where we want them, you know, and they know it's going to take that long. It's a slow burn for those guys and they're patient. And in many cases, you're dealing with timeless entities here as well.

[Top Lobster]

It's true. Because, I mean, listen, these entities also didn't know. They don't know the time and place of, of Jesus return. So why would they be able to predict what appears like every, you know, all signs point to 2025 or to 2030, like this time frame. All sign, all signs are pointing there. We've got prophecy and explanation from people who are clearly on the other side of our belief system saying that as well. So it's like, man, huh? Got a lot to think about after this episode.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'll tell you what though, hearing, because we started off in this place about like, look, we're going to be deceived, there's going to be a disclosure. The nature of these things is not sci fi space brethren. And the way that connects so well to this idea of then deceiving us when the return when, when New Jerusalem appears and like, the ways in which that plays together, I'm like, ah. And look, I may not be the sharpest conspiracy theorist, but I do have. I think my things resonate with me on an intuitive level. I don't know if it's the Holy Spirit or if it's, if it's just a matter of hearing things that you could logically see unfold. Whatever it is, when certain things hit me that, you know, internally, I have a response. And I got the same thing. When we first learned about the little season, I said, that works really well, actually. And then seeing the ways in which the little season plays with the. A potential, you know, alien deception and, and, you know, mischaracterizing the return of Christ and, and, you know, this Floating city of Jerusalem.

[Paul Stobbs]

Like, man, it's a gut feeling.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, It's a gut feeling.

[Paul Stobbs]

Even today, even now. Look, I. I don't have all the answers. Like, I describe it as, like we have this tiny little tea light candle when this massive dark cave and all the truth is written on the cave, but all we can do is just look at a little bit at a time. We can never see the whole thing at once.

[David Lee Corbo]

Remember what I looked at before?

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah. It feels like that's what we're doing here. And this is brand new, really. We're only just piecing this together really now. And I don't think this is going away. I said this when I first talked to you. This is going to get bigger. Let me ask you, you know, it's not going away.

[Top Lobster]

One more thing, very important. I asked J.T. the same question. So if they are replicating the book of Revelation and they do perform, let's say they go as far as to do some kind of abduction event, you know, people are expecting people to be raptured. A lot of people missing. They can pull that off fine.

[David Lee Corbo]

Which, by the way, is on the horizon as far as that predictive programming thing. It thinks that there's going to be a time very soon where people across the Bible Belt in the United States are going to have a hallucination that leaves them believing to the tune of tens of thousands that the. They bore witness to the rapture, but they themselves were not raptured. So just putting it out so that's.

[Top Lobster]

Possible, and then, you know, people will see Jesus in the sky. If everything is going to go according to plan, if they really want us to think that there is a. That this, this Bible timeline is being played out, the one that, you know, is of the popular belief, not, not the little season. What do people. What, what happens to regular Christians who see Jesus in the sky and then embrace that? And what happens to the people that think that is a psyop? Do you see? This is part of why I think the little season and the conventional idea of what's happening needs to be fleshed out and won in a definitive manner, because that, at that very point, there's. That's where the great deception is going to take place. And if you're on the wrong side of it, I don't know what happens to you there.

[Paul Stobbs]

Well, look, do you believe with all your heart that God sent his only beloved son to die for you so that you will have everlasting life? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Paul Stobbs]

And won't perish? Then you're fine. Like, does it matter how the theater goes down, how the show goes, when fundamentally you're out of that. That now you're beyond all of that, you know, you know, so don't, don't be fearful of these. Whatever's about to come upon us. And there's going to be great confusion and you're not going to know it all from your humble perspective. That's okay. It's okay not to know everything. And there's this attitude of know it all is of. Especially in Chris, Modern Christianity, where it's kind of like, this is how it's gonna go down and this is the date is gonna happen. If you don't believe what I'm telling you, you're gonna go to hell. That type of attitude, it's kind of like you don't know anything. Think, who are you? Were you there when God laid the foundations of the earth? You don't even know what time you're in. Never mind what's coming around next week. Give over. You know, it's kind of humble yourself a little bit. And I think when it comes to that moment, it happens, everything goes down. I personally think there's going to be a great persecution of, of people like us, like me, who say, I'm not going to join your army to fight the aliens.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Paul Stobbs]

Because we're traitors to humanity.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Paul Stobbs]

By that point, punishable by death. You know, it's kind of. What do you mean? You're not going to join the human race to fight against a predator that's come to destroy us all? You know?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Paul Stobbs]

Like, who are you? Like you, you, you. You don't care about humanity. He's kind of. We are going to be seen as the lowest of scum. Many Christians will join the fight out of compassion. They'll be deceived. They'll think they're doing the right thing. And I think as long as they love Jesus and believe that God did what he did and Jesus rose from the dead to pay for our sins and to give us everlasting life, and God gave us that way, then you, your, your salvation is secure in that. If you truly do believe that these details at the end, it's a time of deception, like, you'll be okay. You're living through deception again. I think God knows that. He's got compassion, even that, you know.

[Top Lobster]

They, they're not going to be able to come down and claim that they actually are Jesus or if they are, there will be signs. And I think the. I don't think I know the Bible says that you can test the spirits, so.

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah, yeah, I think there'll be a way for us to know. I think if you're truly in tune, you'll. You'll know Jesus when you see him.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think if we're doing shows like this, there's still going to be plenty of. Of meat to chew on the bone. I think we're going to catch all kinds of idiosyncrasies, all kinds of things that, that are not consistent, that don't make sense, and we'll be pointing them out on shows like these. So. But I think what Top is worried about is, is the, the disposition of others, because so much of what we do here right on this show, on your show, is you're trying to awaken people. You're trying to tell them what you suspect is the truth. You're trying to bring them towards Jesus Christ. And so there is a real concern here for the individual, the listeners, the people who will bear witness to this. You know, I think I'm very much of the school of thought of you, Paul. It's like, you're not gonna recruit me to go and fight a city in the sky, homie. It's, it's very easy. That's not going to happen. But, you know, what about other people? But everybody's salvation is their own. We do what we can and, and we'll continue to do what we can. But to Paul's point, it's a great deception. It's the great deception, right?

[Paul Stobbs]

So, yeah, they say, you know, black people perish for lack of knowledge. And it's kind of if, you know, know, like if you're privy to what we're talking about today, and then the, you know, New Jerusalem suddenly appears in the sky and everyone around is like aliens. And, you know, oh, this is what Paul was talking about, right? Then you, then you have a choice to make. Now. It's a heart issue, isn't it? It's kind of okay, well, I can't go and fight because I know what this is. It's kind of. But they're going to be people out there who are in ignorance, who will make these choices. Well, it's already been made for them because they don't, they don't know hell, you know, and yeah, the worst that can happen is the Christians lose their body, their life, physically, but they're still saved as long as they believe in Jesus and his sacrifice and what he did for us. So it's kind of okay. At the same time, it's kind of like, fear not, don't worry about it, you know, everything in its time. God knew you before you were sent into the world. It's funny because I've had two emails in the past, past, in the past 24 hours, one from a 17 year old and one from a 54 year old. And the 17 year old was asking me, how do I find purpose, how do I find meaning? What's the purpose of life? And I said, well, you don't really find it, it kind of happens to you. When you align yourself and live righteously, purpose manifests in a sense. You know, get the basics right, start a family, get your health in order, read the word, build a home and the rest, you know, get a good job and be good to people and the rest will kind of purpose will manifest itself to you. And then I, next thing I know I have this 54 year old telling me, you know, I've got kids who have left the house, I'm pretty successful, you know, and all these type of things. I'm 54 years old and I still feel like I've never really found my purpose. And I'm like, oh great. So I just told this 17 year old, it's kind of what the hell do I know? And I started thinking about it, I was like, it's. Well, maybe we think about it in the wrong way, like from our limited perception, it's kind of if God truly knew us before he sent us into the world, maybe no matter what we're doing or when we're doing it, that is the purpose. We're doing it. We're doing, we're fulfilling our purpose. No matter what station in life we actually live or find ourselves in, or what we personally might feel like, we're not doing much with our lives or we've wasted potential, or we haven't fulfilled our purpose from our perspective, but from God's perspective, we're probably in the exact right place we're supposed to be at the right time doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing, you know, and it's only our own perceptions that make us, our own desires that make us feel like we fall short from our own perspective of what we consider the best life lived, you know, so maybe, maybe we just don't, we don't know these things. And however it all plays out, this is why the gospel has never changed. Get the basics right, get covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. So when it comes to the end, wherever you are, in whatever time you are, your name will be written in the Lamb's book of life. You'll be there. You know, that's all that matters. That's. That's it. He is the truth away in the life. Everything else is, is the distraction. It's theater. And that. That's what this theory has done for me. It strengthened my faith. It hasn't made me lose faith because I might not get to reign as a God for a thousand years on earth with Christ or something. You know, who wants.

[Top Lobster]

Seems boring.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like it's kind of pretending a lot of responsibility.

[Paul Stobbs]

I'm waiting for the new heaven and earth where we get to reign for eternity. You know as well there's no raining. Do you know what I mean? It's like no one's got their foot on another's neck in any way or ruling over people. In the new heaven and Earth finally the lion will lay with the lamb and all that type of thing. You know what I mean? Not Mendel are affecting it. There's. But it's kind of, you know, everyone will. The real peace utopia will come in Christ's time. Man is not going to build it on earth themselves. God's going to create a new heaven and earth at the end of all of this. And that's why you shouldn't fear this. Whatever comes down, however it goes down, however it ends. The worst that can happen is you lose your body, but you won't lose your soul, you won't lose your spirit and you'll have your place in the new heaven and earth once it's renewed and replenished and created.

[David Lee Corbo]

And by the way, you're going to lose your body anyway.

[Paul Stobbs]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly what you're holding on to. It's sand through the fingers. It's all vanity, you know, it's let it go. Yeah. Focus on higher things.

[David Lee Corbo]

That very much resonates with me. I don't have any fear when it comes to these things because all the things that should bring you fear if looked at through the correct lens, should bring you hope because they're all indicative of this being like you said earlier in the episode, a script. We're bearing witness to a story unfolding and we're blessed to be a part of it. But it is that. And there is something else after this. And almost what we're here experiencing is like an on rails experience in that way that it's already been predetermined to a great extent and then we are given free will within it. But I don't have any black pilling in me. I'm not really afraid. And honestly, I gotta admit, I know we set out to talk about aliens, and I know that these things all connect to a much bigger picture, but I feel better.

[Top Lobster]

I think I'm gonna change the title episode. It's gonna say the title episode will be Fear Not. I think this was a.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a banger.

[Top Lobster]

Vastly different episode than I thought we were gonna do. But I'm glad that we did it, and I think it was beautiful. But I don't want to keep you any longer, Paul. I know you got another show to do, so just again, tell these people, they're asking, it's like, is that the Nephilim I Look Like Clowns guy? Yes, yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's not talking about the Nephilims or clowns. I don't understand is that if you.

[Paul Stobbs]

Want a copy of the Nephilim Look Like Clowns, you can go onto Amazon and get that book. Again. It's not related to things we talked about today, but I'm not. I'm not a. I'm not a one. One trick pony, you know what I mean? I like to talk about many things as we've discovered today, and the Millennial Kingdom stuff. I do have a playlist on my channel called the Millennial Kingdom. Came question mark. You can go on YouTube and just find a year's worth of content in there where I'm just fleshing the idea out, speculating, getting into the nuances, the details. What was the mark of the beast? Who were the witnesses? All these type of things. You know, where's the evidence? What can we find? What isn't, Isn't there. There it is, for example. But then I've got my own podcast, the Truth of Therapy Sessions, where we just get into what it means to be a truther and the journey of becoming a truther. You can get those podcast episodes on Spotify and things like that as well. I. I've started uploading the back date of them all, but I get guests on there, like yourself, you know, and whoever is available, other podcasters as well, to come on and share their story of how they woke up and things like that. So that's. That's.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's very cool.

[Paul Stobbs]

Very meta. It's a bit of fun, that one. And I do a lot.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's a great idea, though.

[Paul Stobbs]

I do a live Q A where we talk about what I'm about to do after this show where I just talk about things that are happening here and now and answer people's questions. And we have a speculation of Thor and Build a. We have a nice community. I have a telegram called Understanding conspiracy with about 1, 800 members now. It's a very strong community. It's a great place to come and just if you're feeling alone, to find that fellowship that you need. It's. I'm really proud of it. I'm proud of the people who are in it. It's an amazing place, an amazing community full of amazing people. And I didn't realize it would become what it was. And I'm thankful it's there. Even for me. It. It's amazing to have that fellowship with people that I can't find in the real world world because I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist Christian, you know, so it's good to have that platform and go join the Telegram. But yeah, YouTube's the place to find me Understanding Conspiracy. And you'll get more of the same of what you've heard me talk about today if you go there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Awesome. Awesome. Well, thank you very much, Paul, for your time. Like I said, or like Top said, this didn't really go where we thought it was, but we never really know where it's going to go. And I'm glad that it went where it did because this is a great conversation. Guys, go and follow Paul over at Understanding Conspiracy. Go support the people that. Whose work you enjoy. And Top is. Is that all we got?

[Top Lobster]

That's all we got, guys. Until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply.

[Paul Stobbs]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.