109: The King and The Court Jester w/ Owen Benjamin

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad – Episode 109: The King and The Court Jester w/ Owen Benjamin

Release Date: January 11, 2025

Episode Overview

In Episode 109 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts Top Lobster and Raven engage in a deep and often contentious conversation with comedian and public figure Owen Benjamin. The discussion navigates through themes of social media dynamics, victim mentality, narcissism, and the archetypal roles of the King and the Jester in contemporary society. Drawing parallels between biblical narratives and modern-day conspiracies, the trio delves into personal experiences, societal observations, and philosophical musings that challenge conventional viewpoints.

Guest Introduction: Owen Benjamin

Owen Benjamin joins Top Lobster and Raven to discuss his recent experiences with social media backlash and the broader implications of online interactions. Known for his provocative humor and outspoken nature, Benjamin provides firsthand insights into the consequences of viral content and the complexities of navigating public perception in the digital age.

Viral Tweet Incident and Its Consequences ([03:16] - [05:00])

The conversation kicks off with Owen Benjamin recounting a problematic tweet that went viral, garnering approximately 20 million impressions. The tweet, intended as a humorous anecdote about learning from others' mistakes by keeping his bike indoors, inadvertently touched a nerve within the Black community. As a result, Benjamin faced unwarranted scrutiny, including a distressing call from the sheriff's department alleging child abuse—a claim that was unfounded but led to significant personal upheaval.

Owen Benjamin [03:49]: "About 20 million impressions later, I get a call from the sheriff's department that I have to go to my child's school. Somebody has doxxed me... They found my kid's school and said that I was beating him relentlessly or something to that effect, which turned out to not be the case."

This incident compelled Benjamin to consider significant life changes, such as homeschooling his child and distancing himself from concentrated social areas to preserve his family's well-being.

Discussion on Social Media Dynamics ([05:00] - [15:00])

Top Lobster and Owen delve into the mechanics of social media, emphasizing how scale influences autonomy and individuality. They compare the standardization seen in mass-produced products to the homogenizing effect of large online communities, suggesting that smaller, more intimate groups foster greater creativity and personal expression.

Unknown Speaker [05:00]: "It's like standardizing a part for a car. Like, you can go into any AutoZone and buy a new headlamp for a Chevy."

The conversation highlights how algorithms amplify content based on existing user sentiments, reinforcing echo chambers and often triggering negative reactions. They discuss the disparity in backlash based on racial dynamics, noting how similar content receives vastly different responses depending on the perceived racial undertones.

Victim Mentality and Narcissism ([15:00] - [30:00])

A significant portion of the episode examines the pervasive victim mentality and its role in societal conflicts. Both hosts and Benjamin argue that attributing personal and collective failures to external forces fosters division and diminishes accountability. They assert that many confrontations, especially online, stem from deep-seated narcissistic tendencies where individuals prioritize ego over truth.

Owen Benjamin [11:56]: "They think it's better if I was just killed in the womb than, like, I worked on a farm."

Benjamin shares personal anecdotes about interactions on Twitter, describing how negative engagements often stem from individuals projecting their insecurities and narcissism onto others. This projection leads to a cycle of blame and hostility, further entrenching societal divides.

Archetypes of King and Jester ([30:00] - [60:00])

Exploring literary and mythological themes, the hosts discuss the archetypal roles of the King and the Jester in modern leadership and public figures. They liken figures like Elon Musk and Donald Trump to these archetypes, suggesting that their public personas embody the traditional characteristics of kings—power consolidation and authority—while individuals like Sam Hyde represent the Jester, challenging and mocking established norms.

Top Lobster [61:54]: "If you're using the title comedian... your job is jester. And the Jester speaks truth to the King."

This segment underscores the importance of storytelling and myth-making in shaping public perception and maintaining social order. The hosts argue that these archetypes help the masses process and relate to complex societal changes, often masking underlying manipulations and power dynamics.

Mental Health and Social Control ([60:00] - [80:00])

The discussion shifts towards mental health, particularly focusing on schizophrenia and narcissistic personality disorder. Benjamin posits that societal constructs and manipulations exacerbate mental health issues, leading individuals to detach from reality and become susceptible to control.

Unknown Speaker [92:47]: "If you can heal yourself with faith and belief, is that not real? It's like, oh, but it's... it's just pure pornography."

They explore how social engineering—manipulating mass perceptions through media and storytelling—can influence individual behavior and consciousness. The conversation touches on the role of influential figures and institutions in perpetuating certain narratives that maintain control over the populace.

Conclusion

As the episode draws to a close, the guests and hosts reflect on the intricate interplay between individual agency and systemic manipulation. They emphasize the necessity of self-awareness and personal accountability in counteracting the pervasive influence of social engineering and maintaining one's autonomy in an increasingly controlled environment.

Top Lobster [104:30]: "Until the next time, guys, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. We'll see you later."

Connecting with Owen Benjamin

Listeners interested in Owen Benjamin's content can find him through various platforms:

• Unauthorized TV: Accessible for five dollars a month, featuring exclusive content.
• Vox System and Social Media: Available on platforms like Angelia Times and through his official website, owenbenjamin.com.
• Fan Engagement: Benjamin occasionally addresses his community through direct interactions, maintaining a strong presence despite external challenges.

Final Thoughts

This episode of Nephilim Death Squad offers a provocative exploration of modern societal issues through the lens of biblical allegory and personal experience. By dissecting the roles of archetypes, the impact of social media, and the complexities of mental health, Top Lobster, Raven, and Owen Benjamin provide listeners with a thought-provoking narrative that challenges conventional wisdom and encourages deeper introspection.

Transcript

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Owen Benjamin]

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[Top Lobster]

But nothing's worse than that ancient boiler.

[Unknown Speaker]

That'S lived in the building since the.

[Owen Benjamin]

Day it was built 50 years ago.

[Top Lobster]

It's enough to make anyone lose their cool.

[Owen Benjamin]

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[Unknown Speaker]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Owen Benjamin]

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[Unknown Speaker]

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[Top Lobster]

For the ones who get it done at your job. Do you ever have to deal with a nose roller? How about a snub pulley? Well, if you're installing a new conveyor.

[Unknown Speaker]

Belt system, dealing with the different components.

[Top Lobster]

Can sound like you're speaking a foreign language.

[Owen Benjamin]

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[Top Lobster]

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[Unknown Speaker]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely oh yeah, dude, there's some nephilim. It's like we all know what's going.

[Owen Benjamin]

Down, but no one's saying what happened to the Home of the brave Take control this now when no one's talking.

[Unknown Speaker]

About it man, it's hard to be slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the clouds I want to wake up to a dead in the grave but.

[Owen Benjamin]

It'S too late we need to be ready to raise up welcome to the end of day Everybody is slavery welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. And today we are joined once again graced by the presence of Owen Benjamin. Owen, if you will, for the audience who might not be familiar with you, where can they find you?

[Unknown Speaker]

Well, if they're not familiar with me, they're gay, so I'd appreciate if they did not find me. Thank you very much.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, there he is. There he is right on Twitter. The Twitter. The same Twitter account that. That helped me go viral on a really disastrous post, it turns out, where. Oh, there we go. There's a special.

[Top Lobster]

Must be nice killer special, by the way. If you guys haven't caught it by now, go catch that in Noble Savage from before that. But I guess we're just jumping right into whatever the fuck happened here. So. David, I have to explain it.

[Owen Benjamin]

Look, typically I would. I would ask you to say a bunch of stuff so that I didn't have to, Owen, but I just am coming off of the back of allowing Child Protective Services to leave my home. So it turns out I had a pretty viral tweet the other day. Oh, and you saw that. You commented on it telling me I should hide my bike. I said that I learned from other people's mistakes and I keep the bike inside. And it was on a tweet that really upset the black community. Long story short, about 20 million impressions later, I get a call from the sheriff's department that I have to go to my child's school. Somebody has doxed me, found all my information, including my. My long, long, long time ago ex girlfriend's phone number. I'm sure she's pleased with the phone call she's getting. And. And they found my kid's school, and they called up my kid's school and said that I was beating him relentlessly or something to that effect, which turned out to not be the case, but still had to go through a whole rigamarole. And I think it's probably about time to. To take on the. The. The Owen way of life, and to some degree, the Top Lobster way of life. I need to get the hell away from concentrated areas where people are and start homeschooling my kid.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, man. It's a. It's about scale. We were just talking about that before we went live, where when you get a certain amount of people in an area, you start having to give up autonomy and individuality and all that. And it makes sense. It's. It's like standardizing a part for a car. Like, you can go into any autozone and buy a new headlamp for. For a Chevy, you know? So that's how you get to these massive scales. So if you want to get more custom, more individualistic, it has to be a smaller community. Like, I know the sheriff. I know people around here. You know, I was explaining to my kids today about the fires in LA, because we live on 10 acres. And I was like, this. The size of our land would have over a thousand people on it. And they were just like, what? I'm Like, a thousand people would have to live together and work together. And that's when humor can be really. It really gets them. It can put you in a really crazy place. Because I've had child protective services do that too. From comedy? Yeah. Like years ago, I had to do the whole thing. It was nuts. It was one of the scariest things that was. But it actually got me more spiritual because I was like. I don't know. It allowed me to see that. That my kids aren't really mine, they're gods and I'm like the shepherd. It was like a whole thing, but I was fucking scared. But it ended up being fine. It's totally fine. It's like the machine. The machine just does this. When there's a complaint for liability and insurance, you're all good. But it's just. For me, I'd never had an interaction with. Because I know you guys think you're white, but you're not white. Like, I'm, you know, like, I'm a white guy. Like, I don't like white adjacent. I've never talked to cps. Like, we don't. We. We send them to you guys as little trailers in the Indian reservations or whatever you guys are. No, but humor. It's because there. There's. Everyone's so afraid of, like, sparking a race war or some. So you do a bike joke and people just go nuts. And there's also a lot of narcissists in the world. Like, I've been doing a lot of work on that. Like, a lot of people don't understand how they think. And you trigger Their shame or you trigger something in them and they go nuts. And so that's why. Yeah, if you want to be artistic, it's definitely good to live in a more rural environment.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, I think it's funny too because.

[Top Lobster]

It wasn't even explicitly racist. I think that's it was implied to be racist and they definitely read it as so. But it was just a true story. Like they should be calling CPS on their dads, but they don't have dads.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, I, I did an experiment where what I did was I took the format of the tweet and I said, well what happens if I, if I change some things about the tweet to make it relevant to white people? So I, the original names were like Jamal and Dayquil, two names that I made up because I'm not going to say children's actual names. Right. And so I decided to do the same thing.

[Top Lobster]

You're not going to dox children and their schools and their parents address children.

[Owen Benjamin]

So instead what I did was I made the names Carter and Pubert, which is a great name, a great white name. And, and, and I made.

[Top Lobster]

What's your kids names? Owen.

[Owen Benjamin]

Any of them named Pubert?

[Unknown Speaker]

No, it's Walter, Charles, Jack and Frederick.

[Owen Benjamin]

Very close knocks on Nephilim death squad. And what I noticed is I actually didn't receive any death threats, any pictures of dismembered children. I wasn't doxxed by the white community. In fact, white people were almost playful in it. You know, they, they wanted, they, they liked the tweet, they engaged with it in a relatively positive way. Go figure. But it was, it was not meant to be. I guess the thing with Twitter and, and maybe you can, maybe this resonates with you, Owen, as a creative. Right. It's like it seems sometimes that the things that you don't think are going to catch are the things that end up catching. And then sometimes the thing that you refine and you try to make relevant and then you put it out into the world, it's just ill received. I find sometimes that the thing that I don't even think about, I flippantly post it and imagine that it's going to land on deaf ears. That's the thing that takes off.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh yeah, because social media is all about reinforcing what someone feels or already is. You know, I learned that, I learned that the hard way for a lot of years with all those likes. Typically it's someone saying I approve of you for reinforcing me. Where it's like me Me. Me. And then if you don't feed them that, they're like, no. Like, they're not really supporting you. They're, like, supporting the mirror you're holding up. You know, some. If you have a good audience, they do actually support you. They're like, dude, that. Not this one, but I still love you, big Bear. You know, like, that's. That's the people you want, where it's like, you give them quality or laughs. It's not that you reinforce whatever they are. That's. That's a death spiral. I've seen that happen, you know, with people in the boomers, where they just like, yeah, it's Nancy Pelosi. We went to the moon. They're like. And then if you, like, grow or change. But yeah, so a lot of times the thing that goes viral is you're triggering shame in people that you don't even know exists. That happens to me all the time where I'm like, why? You know? And like, for me, it was the. I'd buy them. Where people are talking about abortion and how it has to be, you know, what are you supposed to do in the black community? And I'm like, I'd buy them, you know, and give them a great life. And, dude, I went viral with the blacks for weeks. And I'm like, I. I'm telling you, I don't want you to die. Like, what is. You know, I'm not saying I'm. I buy the blacks. I'd prefer if they're white, but I still buy. I'd buy any of them. I'm like, I give you a great life. Take your labor, 30 years. It's like a mortgage, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Unknown Speaker]

And. And they're like, you mean adopt? I'm like, how much does it cost to adopt? Sure.

[Owen Benjamin]

Whatever the price is.

[Unknown Speaker]

I'm like, you're buying. You're buying. It's buying. So you spend.

[Top Lobster]

Ask Dave Rubin. It's buying.

[Unknown Speaker]

Dave Rubin bought two little boys, you know, and that's how wizard words work. And that's why I'm always the reason. I have so much confidence in this, because I'm. I know. Know thyself. Like, I'm trying to help. I'm like, you see it now, like, hey, now that you have more awareness, your life will improve. And they're like, no, but my feeling. I have this feeling, and I reinforce it, and it's like cancer, you know, of the soul. And I'm like, yeah, my job is to help you with that, you know? And so that. That Went nuts. But the beauty is it starts flipping where all these blacks are, like, going nuts. And then some of them started to be like, wait a minute, you'd rather I died? And then. Because the whites are like, how dare. Owen Benjamin. How dare. And then. And then some of the blacks are like, wait a minute. So you think it's better if I was just killed in the womb than, like, I worked on a farm? And I'm like, here we go.

[Owen Benjamin]

Those are the cool ones. Those are the ones that get it right. I know. It's a. It's a triggering concept. On its face, it seems to fly at your sensibilities, but if you really look at it, it's like, no, I. I value your life. I value your life.

[Unknown Speaker]

Exactly. Exactly. And that's what you. Well, I started laughing when you were like, I flipped it and tried to show the other side because that's always what gets me in trouble. Because you're establishing metaphysical truth outside of identity. And that's always when people freak out, where you're like, well, what if the roles were reversed? Let's figure out the rules of engagement. And they're like, ah. Because that's the. The whole thing.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

Imagine if you said this or if that. And then they're like, no, though, but no, though. And then you're just like, what? That's why I've. I have such somewhat archaic views of the world where. Where men and women are different, where the same rules don't apply.

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Unknown Speaker]

But other than that you have to be able to establish what truth is and what, you know, like, what a word means. Like, why can this group say a word and not this group. Like, you know, like, people like that. Dave Chappelle. Joe. I mean, Dave Chappelle nailed it with the. No, Dave, you can't say that because you're not gay. And he's like, I'm also not a. You know. And then he drops the I. For the record, I dropped the end. I'm just not going to. In case this is on a platform.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. It turns out right now we're in sensitive waters. They might show up at my kid's school again.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But he had Benjamin on and he said nigger.

[Unknown Speaker]

But the. But the point is so valid, you know, Like, I would. And I was talking to Jake Shields about this, and he nailed. He's like, if a black dude is like, I don't say the word. I appreciate if you didn't. No problem. But if it's like, I get to, but you don't. It's like, why? And Dave Chappelle's whole joke was about that. It's because they're saying that they are that which I believe is a behavior, not a skin color. So it's like they're. They're basically telling you that they're like, scumbags. It's like, if I said, don't say white trash around me because I'm white trash.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right?

[Unknown Speaker]

It's like, what? It's so backward. And then you have to realize that a lot of people are, like, fucking crazy. Well, they'll just, like, look at you like, yeah, like, I'm that. You know? And you're like, holy shit. I'm, like, stuck in, like, a weird little pocket of hell. I'm getting the hell out of here.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, you know what? I do notice a lot. So you said, like, people are crazy, right? And when you. When you say something that's inflammatory and people have an opportunity to interact with not only you, but, like. Like a viral tweet, let's say they are more so interacting with, like, an object. They don't recognize you as an individual. And that. And that's okay. I'm not even saying that that's wrong. So. So when I see people spurging out in the comment section or when people are DMing me, really obtuse shit, it doesn't make me mad. I'm not even mad that this happened. I just, like, I. I kind of get it. There's something.

[Top Lobster]

Well, because it's not you, it's like.

[Owen Benjamin]

It'S not me and it's something that calls you. You know, there's like this, this craziness that calls to you. Like if you're not somebody who has, typically, who has a voice, I, I think maybe that's like the big separation here. It's like I have a platform, I'm talking all the time. I'm on Twitter and I'm, I'm talking and then it's getting, you know, it's, it's getting, gaining momentum. And that to the, out from the outside looking in is indicative of having a voice and you don't get to contribute in this conversation. So when you do, it's kind of like this pent up thing and then you just let some crazy fly. And I look at that and I, I don't go, I don't even go, wow, what a terrible person. Because chances are just given your, your data chunking in life and the amount of people that you bump into, they're not a terrible person. They're a regular person going through a regular everyday life, but they otherwise don't have a voice and are pretty used to being ignored on social media or by creators or whatever.

[Top Lobster]

But that's why, this is why I've taken the last, I don't know, four years or so to really build this social media gathering that I have. Because I realized that a lot of this battle, well, I mean, listen, politics are gay or whatever, but if I can move the needle just a little bit, I think it's, for me, it's hilarious. Like at this point, I have my finger on the ball. I can kind of push it here and there wherever I want. And before the election, again, don't really care about the election. But before that, went back on Facebook and I shared with my friends and family, hey, I think it's really funny now that all of you guys completely oppose me and my, just my views and like my way of self preservation and to the point where some of you might actually hate me. But I've spent the last four years garnering an audience to cancel out your opinion. Like, if I'm swinging a 40,000 person hammer and you're coming with one, I just let them know, like, you don't matter. This is the game that's being played. And it's unfortunate, but it's the truth. And it's kind of like this is why I'm doing a lot of what I'm doing, because the culture's fucked up and I got to leave something good for My kids like a house. Not good enough.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. And also, crazy doesn't mean bad. So when you're like, they're not bad people. Totally. I'm not saying that they're like, bad, but they're crazy. And I believe crazy is. There's a term, logical insanity, where when you're in a bunch of constructs, you're making decisions based on false premises. To me, that's like. There's insanity to that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

You know, where you're like, I like this word means, like, all the logic proofs. It's like the premises are so off that. That's what I think the simulation is where you're in a simulated world where you're, you know, like vegan fake steak. Well, they're eating that for health, you know, and. And like to not have harm to animals. It's so unbelievably fake. Like, every layer of that. Like, how many animals have to die to get this soy? And then they put the chemicals you need to fight a war in Guatemala to get the rights to the minerals. It's like, so insane that I'm like, that's crazy. Like, you're so detached from reality. That's why I went back to the beginning and I do what I do. But, yeah, you're right. It's like the world we live, we're going to garner that type of reaction, and it's fair. You know, it's like when I make fun of comics and Whitney Candleface Cummings pretends like it's bad to make fun of comedians, I'm like, dude, we're like, that's what we do. Like, that's. You have to be able to take.

[Owen Benjamin]

It, you know, not that I. Owen. Get too wrapped up in individuals or. Or famous people or anything like that, but it is interesting to me to watch the development of like, a Whitney Cummings and. And I think this might be interesting to you because the bent that she's taken lately is sort of a conspiracy one. And to me, I don't think that that's. I wouldn't say, like, Whitney Cummings is grifting or anything like that. I think that is indicative of conspiracy becoming a real part of the cultural conversation. Whereas, you know, years ago, when somebody was like. Like you was. Was sounding the alarm, everybody had the ability to bury their head in the sand because we just weren't there yet. It wasn't like the water was boiling.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so if you were essentially, in many ways, like the guy in the corner in the soapbox. Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

Publicly for the stuff she's now grifting with. So.

[Owen Benjamin]

Okay, so.

[Unknown Speaker]

And the panda, she just did a pandas or fake bit. I'm like, did you really? Oh, yeah. And when I was getting canceled from PayPal and everything with a new baby, she was, like, saying that I was, like, crazy and talking shit on Theo Vaughn's podcast and all this. But, yeah, I don't hold. I get what you're saying. I see it as like, Tesla and Edison, where it's like, if you want to be Tesla and be way ahead of the curve, like, you're going to be broke with a pigeon, you know? And you just got to accept that, like, to scale up. I. I'm not saying she's a grift. I was just. I get what you're saying. She's standardizing.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's a. It's a deafness, isn't it? Because it's like, you're going forward and you're doing this thing, and you're not looking back in hindsight at all at the way that you previously cast a judgment and dismissed these things outright. Right. And so people like you suffered to whatever degree you suffered, and you're not somebody that's sitting there bitching about it. But it's like, you did partake in that thing where you casted out somebody who was saying things that you're saying now all these years later. And. And it's not indicative of, like, a grift as much, in my opinion, as it is, like, blindness, like, lack of self awareness.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, absolutely. It's like you're blind to the feelings of Dayquil. Like, little Dayquils at home right now sobbing his black little eyes out, and you're just having a laugh with old lobster up here.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's it.

[Unknown Speaker]

No, but, yeah, yeah. I don't think that it's, like, malicious. Like, it's not like they're sitting around. Like, I think what it is, you know, Like, I can now see how Joe Rogan was actually trying to give me good advice on that, on that intervention he did about my Twitter. But it's good advice to scale in business as a comedian. Not artistically. We're having two totally different conversations where he's like, like, if you're operating in a network of just giant companies, you have to standardize for things that you don't even realize are important. Where it's like, for light. Like, I think a lot of COVID had to do with insurance liability. And, like, those little machine parts were just clicking into place and people were doing total nonsense to each Other. And I don't regret any of that because I still. I still like my points. I just couldn't see his point. I'm like, oh, he's trying to take me down or something. And he's like, no, you can't do custom parts for a Chevy. You know, he's like saying, you can't scale. You're going to end up in Idaho in a barn. And I'm like, I want to end up in Idaho in a barn. Like, I want that. Like, I want to be. Make the little ripples that become waves and. Yeah, like what Top was just talking about where it's like for. For your kids future, where you have real community, where. And I'm the same way as him. Where it's like, I can source all my own food and everything now. Like, I don't. I can just look at like, grocery stores that want to put a mask on my kid and be like, I've cut you out of the equation. Like, you don't matter anymore. And I want to. And I want to keep doing that to the point where like, Britaria Times app, like, we have our own social media. It's like. It's like, oh, aren't you worried about what Elon's gonna do? I'm like, it'll only get me more people on my. I'm like, he's. No, I've already set up a whole alternative. I don't trust any of these people. No one's going to Mars. Like, what are they talking about?

[Owen Benjamin]

Right? It.

[Unknown Speaker]

It.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's an interesting thing too, watching the development. Speaking of. Of Elon Musk, you have this kind of band hammer that he dropped recently and yeah, I know he, like kind of banned all these groipers.

[Top Lobster]

Before we go there, let me. I wanted to just piggyback off of what Owen was saying with your. Because you just got advice from Joe Ro. Well, you did not just. But a couple years ago, got advice from Joe Rogan. Didn't realize it was advice, but it is advice. And now that you're saying that the thing that happened with me and Tim Pool on is on Christmas Day. It was advice. I perceived it as a threat. And it was like, yeah, right, that's. Did you perceive that as a threat from Rogan as well? Did it feel like that?

[Unknown Speaker]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's right.

[Unknown Speaker]

What happened with Timmy Pool? Like, what was he saying to you?

[Top Lobster]

He was running cover for the Babylon Be again, who's shitting on, you know, Christianity and just they're doing this aversive thing and then he runs cover for them. And I just say, hey, like, are you getting paid from Ben Shapiro already? And he freaks out. Yeah, yeah, whatever. It was at the time where he may. He was maybe selling to the Daily Wire. So he, like, he gets mad and he kind of like plays stupid to his large audience. And I'm like, don't play stupid. Like, I know that some of your audience is dumb, but we see what you're doing, clearly.

[Unknown Speaker]

I know that all of your audience is dumb, but yeah, we are dumb.

[Top Lobster]

You're like, like, I literally don't want to be dumb.

[Unknown Speaker]

Like, they have to be dumb to watch a guy in the summer win a beating. Just being like, World War 3 is right around the corner. I mean, like, it's insane. It's like insanity. That's what I mean by insanity. Is he a bad person? I don't know, but he's nuts, you know?

[Top Lobster]

No, he's for sure crazy. I don't think he's a bad person. Like, I met him in real life. I think he's just kind of a douche. But it goes on and, like, he starts to, like, try to, like, poke back at me. And at some point I just correct him. I do the Michael Malice, you're, you know, asterisk where I spell it wrong and his audience bites. And I'm just like, that was like a quick. That was a low effort midwit test for your audience.

[Unknown Speaker]

Beautiful. I love that.

[Top Lobster]

All failed.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

It's like, did you eat breakfast? How would you feel if you ate breakfast this morning and they just fucking fail miserably? So then he goes on to blame me. He's like, the reason why the anti war movement is. Has fell on its face is because of you.

[Unknown Speaker]

I saw that. I remember that.

[Owen Benjamin]

You and your psycho bunch.

[Unknown Speaker]

I respond to that. I'm like, oh, yeah, Ben Shapiro is part of the anti war movement or something.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah. Or like, I'm stopping them. Sure.

[Unknown Speaker]

Right, right.

[Top Lobster]

And then he goes on further. He said something like, I can't even find it. This is how fast Twitter moves. But he's like, you know, like, basically, you're not going to climb the ladder.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I read it as like, like, oh, well, I'm not gonna, like, oh. He said.

[Owen Benjamin]

What are you gonna do? Are you going to ruin all your opportunities? And then when there's none left, you're gonna blame the Jews. Something to that effect is. Is what he said.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. He's basically like, oh, so you're just gonna go ahead and ruin all of Your opportunities and then blame the Jews for it. And I think I responded something like, like, I don't know, are you gonna let them just give you your opportunities? I don't remember, but I read it as a threat, and it's not a threat. It was a. It was a warning to, like, like, hey, play the game.

[Unknown Speaker]

Exactly. And I have no interest in that. Yeah. And I don't mind people doing that. Yeah. It's just artistic. It's. It's the art in the business. It's like, I. If I was gonna be into the business and the money, I'd be a corporate lawyer. Like, I'm a really good public speaker. I'm awesome at forming arguments. My dad was a rhetoric professor. I'm like, yeah, do you how much money you can make if you get a third of a class action lawsuit? I'm like, why would I be a comedian? You know? It's like when I started, comedy, comics weren't making the money they are now. It was like, nothing like that. It was like you had to do it for the art. Like, the rush of, like, getting to that. That truth, that bit and then just doing it, it's like, it's intense. It's like almost like a calling. It's like, that's why sometimes I'll be flipping out and people don't even know what I'm flipping out about. They're like, oh, no. But isn't it cool that they're joining the movement? I'm like, I'm not in a movement. I'm a comic. That's my bit. You know what I mean? I'm like, that's my joke. Like, it's. I'm not. I don't sit around being like, indians, we gotta join forces. I'm like, just doing bits based on reality, you know?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, exactly.

[Top Lobster]

You can't be too attached to the bit either. Like, the second you are. It's not. It's not funny anymore. You have to be able to move within it, you know?

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, I. I had both you guys and Leonardo because this is my first time having, you know, garnered the attention of that many people in. In such a flippant way in this stupid Twitter post. And there was a moment where I'm, like, looking at this and I'm kind of like, oh, my God, man, what the is going on? And I'm having fun. Like, I'm dropping memes and I'm being combative. And it's.

[Top Lobster]

I texted you, David. I said it was at like, 6 million impressions. And I go, David, because I've done this a couple of times before. I said like, you're at the point now. I was like, are you going to continue to like pour gasoline on this fire or are you just going to like ease back like I was asking, did you retweet it yet? Did you add it to your own highlights? These are things to boost into the algorithm.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Do the algorithm.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

To proliferate it even more. And I'm asking them and apparently you took it as like a challenge or something. And I was like, it wasn't that.

[Owen Benjamin]

I took it as a challenge. It was just like I was still in the stage where I was having fun. Right. I, I mean, I have to imagine, Top, you've had this happen several times. And, and Owen, you're a public speaker. You know, you have an audience.

[Top Lobster]

Well, that's what I'm saying. I was warning you.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's like I was still having a good time and then I got it.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's good to know. That's good to know.

[Top Lobster]

So, so, David, I was explaining scale to you.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, I wasn't getting it. I'm very small minded. So I, I, But I do see at some point, I see because I'm kind of lost in the, in the sauce, right. I'm just smacking people with memes and I'm, I'm saying I'm too shit and I'm, I'm laughing, but I'm also kind of freaking out. And then I see Owen and Owen makes a bicycle joke and I go, ah, Owen's been through this a lot and, and look at him, he's crushing, he's okay. He's got a beautiful family and a nice operation going on. And I feel a little bit good about that. Right? And then all of a sudden, Leonardo Joanie pops up and I'm reminded of like all the, the Indian interaction and how crazy it went for her. And I'm like, look at her, she's crushing. Everything's good, right? And then you pop up top. And I'm like, top's dealt with this a hundred times. It does pass. It is. Okay. But, you know, here I am today with a different story. But I mean, you know, it's, it's, it's a weird thing. I've only ever had it happen one time. Previously, I reached out to a guy named John Wayne Parr. He's a kickboxer and I wanted to have him on my old show. And he was a guy that I thought had a good sense of humor. So I made a Joke that just didn't land. It was a bad joke. It was my fault. I. But I basically said something as a small podcast at the time. I said, you're going to want to align yourself with me. I've got a lot of promising things on the horizon. I think it'll be good for your brand. We should get together sometime. And. And this just lands completely the wrong way. Which in hindsight makes a lot of sense. It was pretty retarded. But he then exposes me to his audience. He goes, hey, look at this. And then thousands of people agree unanimously. I think three people were like, actually, it's a pretty funny joke. But the rest of them all came for me. And that was a long time ago.

[Unknown Speaker]

What was the big deal?

[Owen Benjamin]

The big deal was that I was clearly no one with no audience or anything like that very small show that nobody listened to. And I was telling him that I had a lot of promising things on the horizon and it would be good for his brand if he aligned with me, which is, you know, like, how.

[Unknown Speaker]

Is that not fun? Like, I don't even understand how someone could get a. It's like, look, he thinks he's something he's not. Is that.

[Owen Benjamin]

And then that's exactly what happened. He thinks he's something that's. That he's not. And then I was attacked in mass by thousands of people, and it was my first time ever having that.

[Unknown Speaker]

And then if you're just like, kicking is gay.

[Owen Benjamin]

I should have said no. Instead, I just crumbled and freaked out. I went, oh, my God. I'm sitting at my welding job trying to focus on doing my work that first time.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's so insane when everyone's coming at you like, that animal instinct of like, I just got kicked out of the tribe is so intense.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

Nothing like that first time.

[Top Lobster]

You don't have to answer any of these people. You don't even have to read it. That's the crazy part. Like, when it happens, I go, seems like a lot of people are mad. And I put my phone down. I do something else.

[Unknown Speaker]

Dude. No one has ever. There's been one time in my entire life that someone has said that they were offended by me in public ever, once, Even when I lived in, like, New York or near Seattle. It's all an illusion, dude. It's just nuts.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes. So on that note, what I. What I'll say, and I want to move on to different conversation. I had mine, but the people, the vast majority of people that responded are people who are expressing, like, empathy Like, I have had this experience as well, because it was just about black people and how they.

[Top Lobster]

Who hasn't been targeted by black people? Let's get real. Exactly it.

[Unknown Speaker]

They drink purple drank and act like monkey. Like, everybody knows that they've had an experience. But that's it.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's. That was the great connective tissue. That's why it went viral. The reason it went viral is for two. It's twofold. Yeah. Because it's relatable. And everyone's like, they did it to me. They did it to my kids. They did it to my grandkid. But the other one is because black people. This is how black Twitter handled it. They go, it's not true. This guy. This guy's a liar. And I'm like, why do you need this to be not true? This is a pretty benign tweet. It's just a story about my.

[Unknown Speaker]

They know when they do it, it's not true. They're projecting. They're like, it's a. It's not true. Whenever someone does this racial thing for sympathy, it's fake. Trust us. We. Like, no one's ever. Dude, the most lynching in American history was Italian. No one ever really gets hung. Like, dude, Sandpoint, Idaho, where I live is known for hanging people off the bridge. Back in the day, they were, like, all white. It's like when you stole a horse, you got hung. And so this whole idea of, like, did you see the way that not. Is. I'm like, shot the up, man. It's just so te. Dude. That's why I've been studying narcissistic personality disorder. It's like, it's. It's an old trauma that can never be fixed that you use to justify horrible behavior. It's literally in the. In like a psycho psychology textbook what these people are doing. That's why I do the bike joke. And they fall for it every time. I'm like, I need the blacks to apologize about the bikes. I'm still looking into it. And they're like, get over it. All of us didn't steal your bike. I'm like, did we all put you in fucking chains? Shut your fucking mouth. And they're like, that's it.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's it right there. That's it.

[Unknown Speaker]

But see, they don't correct because they're actually narcissists. So it's like, you can never tell a narcissist. Like, hey, man, you're real narcissistic. Like, they don't ever correct. Like, their whole world is to Protect that. So they just are like, okay, we call cps. We try and get the loan removed from his house. Like, they don't even think, what is truth? They think, what do I perceive as hurting my ego? And that's why when I do this, it's for everybody else. It's not the target. The target's like, they're never. They're never gonna be like. You know, the way you say it like that. Yeah. You never put me in chains. You're, like, Irish, and. And I wasn't even born yet, and I've had a really good life. No, no, no, no, no. They're like, you owe me. That's why I'm like, the. Since the black stole my bike, they owe me. And because my thing is so stupid, if you don't see it, you're crazy.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

And that's, like, my test. I'm like, then you're total. I'm 11 years old. And that's why I keep adding to the bit where I'm like, you know, allegedly. But now I'm starting to, like, question, even if it was a black guy.

[Owen Benjamin]

If it was even real, was this a dream?

[Unknown Speaker]

No, the bike theft was. It's all totally real. It's just, like, I didn't see a black guy take it. So I'm. I'm still doing. I assume it was a guy named Jamal, you know, But I didn't. I don't know for sure, but in my mind, it was. It was Bryson gray as clear as day in my mind. And he was actually born the year and day my bike was stolen.

[Owen Benjamin]

I remember you tweeting that. That was the most insane shit I've ever seen in my life.

[Top Lobster]

Speaking of. Speaking of, like, a typical behavior, did you see him fighting in the parking lot at some CPAC conference?

[Unknown Speaker]

Bryson did.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Did someone step on his new Nike shoe?

[Owen Benjamin]

That's. No.

[Top Lobster]

The narcissism is. Is so spot on. I've never really thought about it, but they wear it on the outside.

[Unknown Speaker]

Like, dude, cultures can have narcissism. That's the same with, like, Jews. It's like, you can know some that are great. Overall, the culture is. We are owed something because of the Pharaoh and Hitler. Like, we're really special, but really, like, in pain all the time, you know, you have grandiose narcissism and covert narcissism. Vulnerable narcissism, where it's like. Where it's like. Like, must be nice, is literally a catchphrase for covert narcissism where it's like, might be nice to have a family that loves you. I'm just trying. When it's all about sucking sympathy out of anyone until they just. And it ends so bad. That's why I'm, like, trying to help. I'm trying to, like, help them. I'm like, this does not go well for anyone who does this. And so, quote, unquote, black culture does the same. It's all about external appearance. Black is more grandiose narcissism. Like, get the big purple hat for church. And, like, they're nuts. You know where it's like, look at my big purple hat. It's like, dawn out. You ain't got no money. You. It's like, oh, I'm the. I'm the best. Look at my purple suit. It's like, madness.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

So then who do they blame? They blame anyone that isn't mentally ill. Literally. You see joy on the face of someone like me. Like, I dress. Like, I. I get my clothes at, like, a feed store, and they're just like, you're a failure. You. You look like shit. You. You pool. You ain't got no stinky on your hang dick. And whatever. Whatever the fuck they say. And I'm like, why? Because I don't front. I drive an old truck. Like, no, I have no debt. I have means of production for all my food. Like, I. I own. Oh, you own. You want to own me? Dayquil. Get the. And that's why it ends up in, like, camps and prisons. And because people are like, if the whole world acted like you, there's no food, there's no anything because you don't work like that. The Jews, a lot of them are the rich version of that. There's something called communal narcissism, where they want to look like they're saving the world in public. That's literally a mental illness where it's like, tkam. Oh, I'm saving the world. Did you know that? The seas are rising. It's like, dude, you just shit your pants and you're a porn addict. And they're like, oh, you hate me. Piles of shoes. That's why I'm like, I'm not. I'm not going to be around you people anymore. I'm going to mock you from a distance. It's going to be good for you. And I think it's funny. And that's. That's it. Like, that's the whole thing.

[Owen Benjamin]

I didn't think that I was saying anything too extreme. I. I kind of wanted to tweet. Back at some people. Like y'all do be beating people up though, right? Like, you know, they hate when you're.

[Unknown Speaker]

Happy, they hate when you're not afraid. Joy is the number one trigger of a covert narcissist. We're like Ira Roth is on his yacht.

[Owen Benjamin]

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[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, yeah, and if you see me on a pontoon boat, like happy, they're like, oh, deplorable behavior. Like they, they can't stand when people have genuine joy and gratitude in their life. Especially for simple things where it's like, man, I just saw a sunflower going through the crack of a, of a, you know, a sidewalk. They'd be like, ah, you're trying to turn me into soap, you piece of. It's like there's such evil sex of like, that's so up when you get to the point where you hate joy. That's why they hate kids. That's why they want to traumatize kids. Because kids look at the world the way they can't. So they're like, they want to. Whatever they're compared to, that's what I think the theory of relativity actually is. It's like, compared to you, I'm a piece of. Because you're happy, and I have the whole world, and I. I'm not happy. And that. It's so biblical, dude. It's like they. They won the material realm, and they can't feel joy, and some asshole can just be like, look, a butterfly. And they're like, must be nice. That means you stole, like, everything I built, I build. Like, the COVID narcissist will still be like, oh, he stole it from his listeners. I'm like. And I used to try and explain it to them. I'm like, oh, no, it's not. This is this. And this is what we do.

[Owen Benjamin]

Explain it.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, no. But they don't want. They don't give a. They want to harm. They're like, I'm going to hurt you and make you afraid because I'm afraid and I'm up.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

And I'm like, I'm not going to change you. Right. Oh, no. So I don't care about you anymore. Like, you can just wail away in the night, and then you build your own and you do better. Like, I'm doing better now than I would have if I didn't build my own. I'm like, yeah, I'm not an indoor network anymore. What's that?

[Owen Benjamin]

I had an interaction with somebody where I said that. I said, look, man, there is nuance to this. Take whatever you think my position is on. On black people, there's. There's nuance to it, but you're not here for nuance. You're here to dunk on me, and I am here to dunk on you. And I am happy that we're doing this. This is fine. So let's leave it at that. And I think that. I mean, there's. There's places for nuance, but what's clear is social media and Twitter is. Is more like a release valve of. Of some crazy. And we've seen the. The pendulum swing. I know we talked about this on the last episode, and we actually just aired our throwback episode with you the other day with a little bit of footage on the end kind of talking about it.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we. We recap, like, instead of, you know, because we're trying to, like, give the audience as much as possible, so we gave them, like, extra 30 minutes of us talking about your episode that you were on, I guess, six months to a year ago.

[Owen Benjamin]

About a year ago. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. And it's like, huh. Everything you said, there is was almost completely justified, especially with the latest moves of Elon Musk and the groiper thing. It's funny that we're talking about the Jews in this. In this way too as well, because they'll characterize you as. This guy's a crypto jewel. He has no criticisms for them. It's like, no, he's got accurate criticisms, but they're not taken to an extreme where he does nothing.

[Unknown Speaker]

I don't externalize blame.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right. Yeah, that's. That's what's really important.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's what, that's why I'm like, wow, this white guy, such a Jew. I'm like, how does that make. You know? And I'm like, because it's a behavior. It's like the hard end, you know, it's. You're a victim. Like a white guy stealing copper for meth and being like, oh, I had to. My mom made pornos. You know. Like, that's end behavior. Yes, because you're like a victim, so you get to harm people and take whatever you want. And so, yeah, like, my shit always come. Like, not always, but a lot of it comes true because the truth doesn't change. Like, people get stuck in these little loops and. And I'm looking at this behavior and then they're calling me a Jew because I'm telling them if they don't want to be replaced to have kids, you know, it says the Jew. I'm like a 6 foot 8, blue eyed Jew that is on the ADL's like, watch list. Like, are you fucking crazy? And they are, you know, like Nick Fuentes, his whole thing like that, that tweet that went so viral. Your body, my choice. I, I would have helped the guy out more, but he digs his own ditches, you know, I'm like, the joke is he's a queen. Like, that's the whole like, your body. My joke from like the, the fruitiestip on the. I'm like, that's like, if Liberace said your body, my choice to a bunch of women. It's hilarious. I'm like, he doesn't have any interest in your body. He wants a do with a dick with cat ears. I'm like, it's hilarious. Like, the guy is crazy. You know?

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, where you see it on the micro is like, this is something that I see a lot. And it's so fundamentally, it's like a guy who was raised in a divorce family, right? No, no dad around, kind of a deal. And they go, you know, I never had A good example of, like, a relationship working out. And that's why I cheat. And I'm not into monogamy. And I treat my. My girls like, you know, whatever the case may be. And it's like this, this thing that happened to you previously, leaning on it to justify your behavior and then twisting it so that you're actually a victim. So stop looking at me like I'm the one that did something wrong. I'm a victim. When I grew up, nobody gave me a good example on how to do X, Y, and Z, right? And I, I go, I. I grew up without, you know, my dad in the picture. I am 10 black. And. And I, I never looked at that and went like, oh, because of that, I'm never going to have a successful relationship in my life, right? Like, I'm married now, and we're raising.

[Unknown Speaker]

Our son, Idaho that are great dads. Like, it's not about the skin. You know, they're crushing it. They have no victim. Some of them are more into mustache guy than anyone I know. It's hilarious.

[Owen Benjamin]

I, I just, I. I feel like that is, like I said, it's the micro of a much bigger thing. Like, it is funny to watch then off the back of us complaining about people leveraging victimhood mentality for, for so many years, right? Whether it's black people or Jewish people or whatever the case may be. And then to turn around and watch white dudes do it to, like, the tune of thousands, it becomes an overwhelming force on Twitter, where everything is the fault of the Jewish dude.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's exactly what happened. And I'm like, we're white. We're better than this.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's kind of the point, right?

[Unknown Speaker]

No, but seriously, it's like, it's fascinating to watch. It's just about externalizing the onus of responsibility. A great way to tell what someone is, is ask them, how do you get a cold? And they're like, well, you know, if I don't get enough sleep, I don't drink enough vitamin C. Versus, like, well, when I'm around kids, they don't wash their hands. You know, it's always like, who did this to you? And then I will explain what happens. And people are like, get over it. When I'm not allowed on Airbnb, I can't rent out a house. I can't be on PayPal. I was universally banned from all theaters, even ones I would rent with my own money. And I'm like, I'm not doing victim shit. Kind of like, what happened with you with with the, with the blacks where it's like, I'm not doing what you guys are doing. I'm telling the story from a position of authority. I'm like, I'm not a victim. I learned how the system works and now I'm doing really good. Oh, now you're bragging much. I'm like, no, yeah, yeah, I'm bragging.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

I'm like, I know. I'm like, I. Don't you think I want to be sitting around some comedy like some, with like Bert, like fat Bert Kreischer being like, oh, I just sold out a stadium and drank? I'm like, that to me is like a living hell. So they're like, yeah, but look at all that money. I'm like, look at their eyes, man. I used to, I know these guys. Like they went to a position where now they're like miserable because there's no end to narcissistic supply. Like you get. It's like the heat hedonic treadmill. When you're promiscuous, you're never just like, meet. You know, I, I got that one thing. I like, I'm good. You just keep escalating until you're like a homo. You know.

[Owen Benjamin]

I just, I, I don't know. It's, it's, it's been a weird thing watching this narrative developed because over time it seems like everybody, especially on Twitter, I know we're dealing with like Elon Musk Banning, all the Gripers and the whole Nick Fuentes thing, but it feels like everybody kind of split into, into camps and it kind of became like, I don't know, like there's the camp of the Jew blamer and then there's the, the, the camp of like the white man blamer. And then what I find is that if you stand in the middle and you go like these things are nuanced and you have to take some self responsibility, both sides accuse you of being on the other side. It's a win.

[Unknown Speaker]

You end up winning at life.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's a non winning battle socially. In this interaction. You're not going to win. You're not going to have nuance. You're not going to have a conversation.

[Unknown Speaker]

You're not going to. You're not. Yeah, you're not going to. Yeah, okay. But you become the owner of the stadium while the blacks run full speed at each other for Kit Kat bars. You know what I mean? It's like, yes, you can't win the football game as the owner of the stadium. Sure. But, like, that thing they're doing doesn't ever win. Like, you never win.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's like. You're like, oh, it's those guys. It's these guys. It's like, no, you can call out bad behavior. You can call out. You know that higher up the pyramid, people get more demonic and chill out. Totally. But at the end of the day, what is your interaction with it? You know, like, what's your interaction with it? And that's where you get real power. And it's funny. Like, I just did Jake Shields, who's. I love Jake Shields and his. I don't know if it's like, his producer guy or one of the guys that works with him. We ended up hanging and having a great time. He was like, hey, man, I came at you, like, real hard on Twitter, and I'm like. I'm like, oh, it's all good, dude. And he's like, said his name, and I didn't even recognize it, but apparently he has, like, a really big following and went hard at me. And I'm like, bro, I don't care. And in real life, it was nothing. It was like, he was fine to be around. I didn't give a shit. I'm like, I don't care, man. It's. You do what you do. I'm like, come at my ability to bank or, like, my family or something. Like, there's no going back from that. But, like, if you're just calling me a fat, gay Jew, I'm like, that. I'm not. So, like, I don't care.

[Top Lobster]

In a sense, though, I know who he is, and I like, he's one of them that I fought like that. That bunch, the group, the Groiper bunch, is an interesting group because there's a lot of them that I really do like, and then there's a lot of them that have, like, tried to dox me. They have tried to. With my. And, you know, I use my account to push my. My clothing brand, to push my podcast. It's like, I make money doing this. So in a sense, when you do with my. You are with my money, and you're trying to. With my kids a little bit. I don't like that. So now when, you know, Elon banned, like, he just. I don't know, he took away their blue check, and he banned a couple of these guys, and I'm kind of like, you want me to stick up for you now?

[Unknown Speaker]

Right?

[Owen Benjamin]

Right, Right.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

What do you want me to do, Alex? Jones seems like the same thing. And you know, I like Jake Shields too, but it's like. Like, is he supposed to put out his neck after? I don't know. I don't know what they did to. If they do anything to Alex Jones. But for. I know that they with me and I'm just kind of like, yo, that sucks. But like, you know, what am I?

[Unknown Speaker]

That's why when they turn on you, it's a good thing. I'm like, no one could ever accuse me of associating with a griper. You know, when they're like, griper war. I'm like, do it, please. So that when you guys get, you know, seen for what you are, there will be no, you know, association with me and the groipers those guys are. Yeah, it's like, like, as individuals, some of them are really cool, but the identity is victim consciousness. And it's horrifying, you know, it's just horrifying, like what, what they do. And I'm like, it's not even funny. Like, Fuentes can be funny. That's why I was always framing him as a comedian. I'm like, if you view that guy as a comedian, he's a funny comedian. If you view him as like the return of white Christ America church king. But I'm like, he's. That's insane. Like that guy. That guy is like. Like a shitty little queen, you know, Allegedly.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, it's. We talked about before how it's like a fundamental mistake to. To come at these things from a victimhood mentality. And it's like, you know, Jocko Willink, it's not somebody that I really absorb a lot of his content, but he has that concept. I forget what it's called. Butcher. Well, no, not that one. It's the one where it's like something about accountability. I forget what.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, yeah, it's good.

[Owen Benjamin]

And. And so the. The basic idea of that is if you are not responsible to any degree for your own suffering, then you are not capable of rectifying it. Or at least it's an immeasurable, you know, thing to try to overcome. But if you practice this, like, ultimate responsibility, take self accountability for as much as humanly possible. It's a way of like psychologically tricking yourself. Sure, there are things pitted against you and there are machines that are trying to take you down. There are institutions that are, you know, to the detriment of the American public. But if you take on as much responsibility as humanly possible for your own suffering, essentially what you're saying is, I also have the ability to rectify my own suffering, bro.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's the ultimate power. That's why people, they're like, you're victim blaming. I'm like, you're creating slaves. That's why my offer of buying people is really the best they're going to do at this point. Because it's like, if you're not responsible for your own problems, then you aren't. You don't have free will. Like, you're now owned. And I will make you a modest.

[Top Lobster]

Offer, and that's a reasonable one. The lack of responsibility also. So it kind of leads to what we were talking about maybe like last week or so with the Sam Hyde thing. But the lack of responsibility from these people or lack of accountability then doesn't allow people to accurately criticize Elon Musk for basically because what he's doing is kind of like, listen, it's shady. It's kind of shady on his.

[Unknown Speaker]

Dude, no one's going to Mars. The guy's a super shady guy. Like, I've never trusted. Remember when people used to come at me when I would make fun of Elon Musk? It's like, have some respect for the King. He's letting you back. He's letting you back. On Twitter, when you were a nothing, you were wandering the wilderness, begging with your cup on shoot. And Elon send his angels down. And I'm like, shut the up. The guy wants to put a chip in your brain and he flies rockets backwards. He's literally retarded.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

And people are like, this leads to my tweet, though, because I did.

[Owen Benjamin]

You.

[Top Lobster]

You took, I guess you took some notice to what I said. I called him the King and you said, he's not a fucking king. I disagree. He is. He clearly is. He clearly is the king of Twitter. He owns Twitter. He is.

[Unknown Speaker]

I'll give you that valid archetype, valid point.

[Top Lobster]

Okay? He's swinging this hammer. He's cutting people's heads off. Like, that's how a king acts in his castle. And I kind of respect it. I'm. People need to be very suspicious of what he's doing. Then I called Sam Hyde, who is acting in this case as the jester with what he did. I just want to get your thoughts on this video because, like, we were going back and forth on, you know, in the comments, but I didn't really get a good understanding of what you're like, what the exception you took with his video was.

[Unknown Speaker]

So I actually retweeted his video and said it was a great bit about not letting China get any of our precious Indians. Like, my original reaction to Sam Hyde's video was positive. I was like, that's a good bit. And I highlighted the good bit. And then I see everybody like, who's that gab guy? The guy who owns Gaba?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

Oh, like, all those guys. It's like, never before has a jester stood up to a king. Like this samurai. I'm like, what the fuck?

[Top Lobster]

And that's the entire archetype. It's like, that's what it's supposed to happen. This is.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, but it's this degree, dude.

[Unknown Speaker]

I was like, the Indian government asked Elon Musk to arrest me over a year ago for way better jokes than what? Where was everybody then? Everyone was like. Like, secretly, like, wow, that petite joke's pretty funny. You just did. Meanwhile, Sam Hyde does it over a year later with the jokes were six. I sent you that. That AI movie thing we did. I mean, think about how much funnier that is than Sam Hyde's thing. Like, brown is the new black. Like, that thing about coming home to meet that. Like, it's way better.

[Owen Benjamin]

But that's not. That's not Sam's fault. Right. That's, like, the way that it was received.

[Unknown Speaker]

Sam's face is his fault. Because I believe in. What's it called where behavior affects your face?

[Owen Benjamin]

Physiognomy.

[Unknown Speaker]

Physiognomy?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

You can't do it with the Jews and not Sam Hyde. I mean, that physiognomy looks like it's just pure pornography.

[Top Lobster]

He's a tough one. Like. Like, because up close. I remember seeing him up close, I'm like, he's not, like, particularly ugly, but he does a thing. Like, he'll have his hair fucked up. Like, weird and glasses and ugly.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes. And I kind of have some reason.

[Unknown Speaker]

Why me making fun of him for being ugly is not. I'm like, look at him. He's intentionally trying to look hideous. He wants to look like. You can tell by his hair and how he's dressing and everything. He wants to look, like, heinous. Yeah. Very advanced artist in a lot of ways. Like, that's when I was just pointing out how everyone was essing his d. That's it. That wasn't. That wasn't me making, like, attacking Sam height. Like, I just did that with Sean Ryan and Candace Owens. Like, now they're. They're referencing the FBI as the arbiter of truth. They're like, the FBI just confirmed we're right. And I'm like, insane. Oh, so the FBI is. Is good when you want them to be good. Like, and then people are like, oh, what. What's your beef with Sean Ryan? I'm like, are you guys all fucking dumb? I'm like, yeah. I'm like, the point I just made is the FBI's deep state liars taking down America until they say something you like, and now they just proved you right. That's the whole point I'm making. I'm like, with the Sam Hyde thing, I'm like, how is this special? I did three weeks of just Indian jokes when no one knew what. And then people are like, ah, what's up with your ego? I'm like, you can look at Google trends. Like, I introduced Pajit to Twitter. It was. It existed. I didn't make it up. But how come not one of these people ever said, I've never before seen a jester stand before it came and say the truth. I'm like, this is so stupid. It reeks of idol worship. And then I'm like, so I'm always trying to do, like, if people do that about me, I. I feel uncomfortable when they're like, you're here to lead us. You're. You know, I'm like, no, no, no.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oh, yeah, you should see it. Oh, and the. The. The. A lot of the fan base has started calling me master. Not at all because they respect me, but because they know it makes me look like a huge. And it's gonna come and bite me in the ass one day. And it. To their credit, it's very funny, but it's not.

[Top Lobster]

Here's the thing. I understand why you could. Why you would translate my tweet as being, like, worshipy, but it was more. It was more like an attack. Like, how my. How I always tweet. I'm kind of tweeting at comedians that I know will follow me. And this is not.

[Unknown Speaker]

I get it.

[Top Lobster]

You and. And. And your. Your best friend Sam Tripoli, and probably, like, two other comedians out there. I'm not tweeting this at you. I'm tweeting this at these other guys.

[Unknown Speaker]

That should say, like, there's no other comedian doing what, Sam. And then, so my logical brain is like, I need four cameras, because I've obviously done all of this a thousand times. So, yeah, he must be referring to four camera shoots for a monologue where you have an ugly face talking about Indians, because that. Other than that, I mean, there's no way he forgot that I've already died. Like, there's no comedian in the realm that stand up if you have the ball. Sam Hyde does. I'm like, I'm on a farm in Idaho.

[Top Lobster]

Like, the only people are not talking to. Now, if. If other comedians did see this, like, that comment and those comments specifically, like, how did they feel? You shouldn't feel any sort of way because everybody knows your track record. We're not talking about it.

[Unknown Speaker]

I was just busting your balls. Like, I was never. Like, I was just. Like. I was literally laughing when I wrote it.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, let me ask.

[Unknown Speaker]

Camera shoot bit was making me laugh so hard. Do I need four cameras?

[Top Lobster]

Let me ask you, though. Like, the. The comedians that were. That you were, like, flying in their circle.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

When they see this tweet, because it did go viral and they saw what he did there, and he's a comedian. He does stand up. He's on Legionist Gangs, with these guys.

[Unknown Speaker]

They feel no shame at all. They think he's stupid for not making more money with Butterlight.

[Top Lobster]

This what I'm saying.

[Unknown Speaker]

They're in a different game. They're like, yeah, like, if they see you position yourself to get a corporate deal or you cozy up to a someone higher up in the food chain, they're like, oh, must be nice. You do something artistically brilliant. They're like, you didn't monetize it proper. Like, they don't feel. They're not artists. They're business guys. Like, they're just. They're. They're social engineers that, like, they think you're. Like, back in the day, when they were saying I was crazy, I thought they were lying, and now I don't. In their world, what I was doing was crazy. I was repped at caa. I was repped at Principal Young. I just hosted an award show where I'm introducing Leonardo DiCaprio. I just sold a book to one of the biggest publishers there that ended up, like, the contract got all fucked up because of what I was saying on Twitter and all that. And they're like, you're going crazy. And I'm like, I. Because I was assuming we were all artists. I'm like, so what did I say that wasn't hilarious? And they're like, the words you're saying will get you less green tokens. I'm like, you're in a Black Mirror episode. I'm in reality. Okay? So to you, what I'm doing is crazy because we're. And I. For years, I was like, I had so much more venom against mainstream comics. And you remember when I used to have more of a chip on my shoulder where I was like, I was almost like mad at them. It's because they thought we were in the same world. And I'm like, oh, no, you guys have every right to go make your tokens. Have you not seen what that. What that. How that game ends?

[Top Lobster]

But I don't think they do.

[Unknown Speaker]

I'll.

[Top Lobster]

I'll argue that because I was. I was looking up the definition of, like, the king archetype and the jester archetype. And they're playing the Jester. That is their job title.

[Unknown Speaker]

Whose day though it's. Maybe it's like, who Comedians.

[Top Lobster]

If you're, if you're using the title comedian, if you're doing stand up comedy, if you're presenting bits, if you're trying to make people laugh for a living, your job is jester. And the Jester speaks truth to the King. So they bring joy to others, but they use their wit to expose lies and hypocrisy.

[Unknown Speaker]

So during COVID Tell me exactly who brought that wit and joy to the King while the world was going nuts? Like, let's go down the list of Netflix comedians. Oh, yeah, none. Like, literally none.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right?

[Unknown Speaker]

And so, no, they're not. They're reinforcing Social Engineer. They're not bringing truth to the King. They're not saying, why would I wear a mask walking into a restaurant and then I can take it off when I sit at the table. Like, like, they're not showing. Like, we. I was making shit where it was like, what to say to people when you're not wearing a mask. And we. We had all my listeners sending a funny video where it's like, you know, my therapist says I'm not allowed to wear a mask after the incident. Or like, they're for criminals and perverts. Which one are you, lady? Like, all these fun. Like, I was doing the Jester's job. Well, they were like, this is the new normal. And I'm like, you guys all suck. Like, they were doing shows where you had to be vaccinated to go in. I. I have a memory. I'm not. I have a. Well, I'm not fluoridated. And I know that might be a factor. I remember all of them that, like, right in front of the Comedy Store, right in front of all this stuff. You must be vaccinated to go inside. Every comedian that was fucking performing when that sign was there is part of it. And they were not speaking truth to power. And they can go Themselves, you know, But I'm not mad at them. They were like, you got to play the game, man. You gotta survive out here. It's fine.

[Owen Benjamin]

But that makes it a business. Not.

[Unknown Speaker]

They're not exactly.

[Top Lobster]

You're not operating under your job title. This is your job title. Call yourself.

[Owen Benjamin]

So then it's not the.

[Unknown Speaker]

Not. There's.

[Owen Benjamin]

It should be a different name then. You know what I mean?

[Unknown Speaker]

Social Engineer.

[Owen Benjamin]

Social Engineer.

[Unknown Speaker]

Influencer is a great name for it.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Social engineer 1, 2, and 3. Like there's.

[Owen Benjamin]

I think.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

No, 100%. My dad taught social engineering. Like PhD, Northwestern, Oxford. Fucking like, keynote speaker about this exact topic. There is words you use to persuade mass audiences to push an agenda. You know, he did the Muckraker movement and all that stuff. Like how you shift human behavior with broadcasting. Casting what you ask spells. Right? Broadcasting, like casting a spell. It's a fact. You use words. I know, like some people's dads did something and they like know that business from growing up with them. Right? Like, my dad was like the head of Hogwarts, and so I know what that is. And I'm watching comedians. I'm like, oh, this is the agenda. This is what they're being told to push. This is how they're doing it. They're using a laugh track to show social compliance where it's like, when you hear ha ha ha ha, it's like, oh, I'm not alone. This has been socially reaffirmed. You know, word salad. The way when people do word salad and say nonsense. The whole point of that is it creates a stressor in your mind so that the next thing you say people latch onto, like, it saved them from stress.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oh, because they're desperately trying to understand and they can't.

[Unknown Speaker]

Exactly.

[Owen Benjamin]

And then say something coherent and they go, oh, there it is.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, like hypnotism. You do. Simon says with people. That's why sometimes truthers are like, there's no. The shoe bomber was. You know, there's no bombs in the shoes. You got to take your shoes off at the airport. I'm like, don't you know why, though? You haven't figured it. I'm like, simon says, take off your belt. Simon says, take off your shoes. Simon says, hold up your hands. At that point, you're now hypnotized so that you'll behave in a tube in the sky.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

The more stupid, the better. It's the same with like. It's like if you. If you just get someone on a compliance. On a compliance line, literally Touch your nose. Simon says, touch your ears. So the children are competing to comply with Simon. And no one's asking who Simon is. Simon says, hop on one foot. Simon says, you have to wear a mask. You don't have to wear a mask if you have one vaccine. Simon says, you, you can go on a, a cruise ship if you have two vaccines, but you're under the age of 61. Simon says, and the more people do that shit, the more they're. They're, they're hypnotized. They're in a state of theta state, which is the state of child. You're like a child that feels safe around an adult, and at that point you give up your free will. And that's, that's the way it all works. And I'm like, same with flicker rates on tv and same with, like, all kinds of. And that's fine. Like, I'm not against this. I'm just like. Because after I, I tried to help people with some of this knowledge and they called me like a gay, fat Jew. I'm like, Simon says, like, I'm. I get it.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm like, yeah, somebody has to do something with these masses.

[Unknown Speaker]

Like, I'm not even like the Masons and that everyone freaks out at some of. I've talked to some of them and they're just like, dude, what the hell? Do you got any ideas? Like, how do you handle all this? You know, how do you manage. How do you manage the fallen world? You know, you got this world and, and you manage it and, and you can't tell them the truth or they go crazy and burn their dicks off. Like, if you have a victim consciousness, man, that has mental illness of like narcissistic personality disorder and they're a pervert, you know, they just feed them with porn. They feed them with ego reinforcement, they give them fluoride. And it's like, that lowers crime, that lowers that. You know, the trains still work. The, the water still turns down when you turn the. And that's. Dude, it's true. It's like, they're not wrong. So we get to do the other. Imagine if our lives, we had to just wade through, just masses of people that weren't socially conditioned that inside they're like, really up. Like, that would be a very dangerous world.

[Owen Benjamin]

I, you know, you're talking about all this social engineering, and I think it's interesting because it does plug into this previous conversation we're having about, like, Twitter and like that. And it's like, I was going to ask you. Why you think that it is that you can talk about a thing and it's like it's received, but it's received by the people that are already around you, whereas somebody else goes and does it and it's, you know, profound. It's a four camera shot. It's. But even beyond that, though, top. It's like we're looking at Twitter and, and so much of the dangerous conversations that you used to have yourself, Owen, are now being had. And you've, you've graduated, Bey. Beyond that, you've seen things from a different perspective. You're now outside of it all along. Yeah, but it's happening and it doesn't feel organic. It feels like there were these, you know, we have these moments, right? Like, like top lobster posting something about Mel Gibson or, or Joe Biden, which way Western man, you could drink adrenochrome or you can hate the jays. And Elon responds to that. And it almost feels like this catalyst moment. Not that it's like. How do I put this? It almost feels like Elon said it's okay to talk about this.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And that sort of thing continuously happened. It's like Elon says, hey, it's okay to talk about this. Barry Stanton comes along, this like, anonymous account that just drags the, the, the Indians all over Twitter to the tune of like, you know, virality that nobody's ever seen before. And then he disappears. And now all of a sudden we're having Vivek and the whole thing gets rehashed. Right? Vivek saying all your nostalgic is trash. That's why Americans are bad. And he's not even really wrong. But I mean, it's, it's, it's like the perfect time for that conversation to hit Twitter.

[Top Lobster]

That guy can't say it though. Like if, if Owen said, if somebody else said it, you could say with a white face. If you say it's me with a brown face, you, man, don't talk.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's my thing is like, it doesn't. None of it feels organic to me. It all feels like social engineering.

[Unknown Speaker]

Social engineering fact. That's like, there's my issue. It was always timing. I was always so early that it's almost like I'm, I'm telling the, the movie before it gets there. And that's how I've kind of gotten past all this. And I don't have resentment or anything. And I've taken responsibility for what I've done. Is. Is that where it's like they're, they, they're they're putting on a play and I'm ruining the play. And fine, you know, as long as I'm allowed to make my choices, I don't view it as tyranny. Where if I wasn't allowed to live on a farm or like have homeschool kids, then you would see me being a little more intense. But like, as long as you're allowed to choose what you want, that's what they're putting on a play for. People that kind of need to play. Like, there's a lot of people that can't fathom the concept that red and blue are funded by the same people. Like just that little step, they're like, you know, it's like, so I'm taking some, I've just taken more. Like I feel for those people. Like, I don't want to, I don't want to cause them pain. So I just kind of do it for the people that, that like me and stuff. And yeah, as far as like social engineering, it's all about keeping authority. So the more you have a set of rules outside of someone's will, the harder it is to have control. The, the whole hypnotism with this is just to get people to think, what does Elon want? That's it. That's all it is. It, it can be Jews, Catholics, Quakers, left handed people. It doesn't matter the identity. It's just the idea of like, what is that guy gonna allow? And once you're getting that point, it's called authoritative speaking. Authoritative speaking. It's like if instead of you're not asking, you're asking a question with an assumption in the question. Like, when did you know you were gay? Right? Like, so that means you're gay. And if you answer in any way, you've, you've agreed to my premise. And so once people start thinking like that, where Elon Musk is in charge of free speech, that's the lie, right? So that's the, that's, that's the poison. And I saw poison in what Sam Hyde did. I can explain that too. Where white men don't have enough money to have children. That was like the, the massive poison in that whole four camera shoot he did. Because that gives authority to a central bank, that the central bank is in control of your demographic prosperity. So if a little printing press makes more green squares, you can have a child. And until they change, you now have an excuse to be a victim. It's, it's really dark and I, I could, I, I see. You know Be care, be careful of.

[Owen Benjamin]

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[Unknown Speaker]

You know, wisdom, they say, you know, like honor and wisdom or all that because, like, when, you know, sometimes if you don't have an ability to handle it and live a disciplined life, it can get fucking really intense when you see people like, oh, Elon just took away free speech. I mean, part of this op, I think, is taking away blue check marks on a private social media app is a threat to the First Amendment. That means Elon Musk is above the United States Constitution. And that is the psychological operation.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, it's the illusion of he has control over your First Amendment. Right.

[Unknown Speaker]

Right. I use a post office and that's why that shit doesn't go viral where I'm like, every single time I was banned, people could write me letters and I could write them letters about anything we want. It's right here. The. The bones of America are all fully functioning and they're awesome. We are now in so many constructs that we have a South African with a trans kid and he probably has chopped his own dick off. You know, has to. It's like we're now going to appeal to a foreign man about what our first amendment rights are based on a fucking app, you know, with a check. Project Bluebird. You know what I mean? It's like Mockingbird or whatever. It's like, that's the op. And listen, you either fall for it or you don't. And it's all because people can get afraid where they're like, oh, people are falling for it. We're fucked. I'm like, now, dude, this world, you have a direct relation not to get, like, spiritually, whatever, but like, you have a Direct relationship to God. In my opinion, it's. It's on you every fucking step of the way. So what someone. What a griper does, they're only doing it to themselves. Like, when they're doing that shit, it's just like, just wait, you'll see the fruit of that. You'll see where that goes.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, I do feel like he's. He is kind of a like a clown character. Like he's an actor. Like, they put him in this position only because the time doesn't make sense. Like, how much time do you have in a day that you could be.

[Unknown Speaker]

This guy who is CEO of nine companies? Dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

What? And you're also like, ranked number one or number two in Diablo, which, Like, look, I don't play a whole lot of video games anymore, but when I did, like, it's not easy to do that. That's like, you need teenagers dedicating obscene amounts of time till 4am every day, you know, drinking Red Bull, that they're the ones that end up first place in any kind of big game like that. So how does this guy have the time to do any of these things? I don't. I just don't believe it at all. And then, you know, you watch this thing. I'd love to get your thoughts on this. Oh, and what do you. When you see this? He's. He's spiraling, he's banning people. He's also hanging out with Trump. And then the next morning, his cyber truck is blown up outside of Trump Towers, and you get this iconic image of, like, Trump, and it's pristine and it's golden. And then the flaming cyber truck. And it's almost indicative of what happened the night before, where he's, you know, spiraling and Donald Trump is, you know, making the rounds. They're both hanging out. There it is. Go get your Psyop season shirt. But I, I look at that and I go, that doesn't feel real. It doesn't feel. I'm sorry. Like, I'm. I know I'm. And maybe I give more credibility to, like, the theater. Maybe I. Maybe I think the theater extends further than it actually does. Absolutely.

[Unknown Speaker]

No, you're right. The answer of how that happened. But yeah, they're doing. They're running archetypes and it's like, I want to hear my conspiracy theory or my gravy like that. I don't. I think people are going to think is nuts. I don't think any of it is. Is real. Like, I think Zuckerberg and Elon Are both actors and that. Like, you know, the darpa, the, the intelligence world came up with a brilliant strategy to get everyone to submit all of their information. You know, like Facebook was it. Did it launch or it started the day after CIA had to shut down their, one of their lifelogs or something.

[Owen Benjamin]

It was like, yeah, lifelong brilliant.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's why I'm not mad. It's like, okay, we live in a free will realm where God gave us free will. So how do you get information when you can't just take it? Well, we get them to do it. How do you get them to do it? You, you incentivize them with social, with social rewards, idol worship and sin.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

And then who's going to be the face of it? It can't. If people know it's us. Like what? It's like, okay, well, we'll give some backstories. And, and you have these. You have these. And that's why the character arcs of Zuckerberg and all this, he goes to Hawaii and starts a farm and he's doing jiu jitsu and you're just like, same with Elon. It's just. I mean, I think the people exist, but I think that it is an archetypal thing where they're just playing a role. Yeah. I mean, how are you CEO of the number one company in the world, Tesla, like as far as, like their stock and all that stuff. And then the boring company of the tunneling. You know about that, right?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

And then also, you know, space, SpaceX, like the private NASA, all of that. And Twitter and Starlink. You want to know what I think it is? And this is what I've been telling people for a long time. They're consolidating all of it in one structure. So you have the Internet, all of social. Right. All this, the X, the entire Internet. And then SpaceX is like the area above us, you know, like, like trade, global control when it comes to drones and spying and all that. And then the boring company, I think is for roads and highways and transportation underneath. Yeah. Literally as the number one tunnel digging. And so you're just consolidating all of it into one monopoly under a story arc of one man. When it's. Yes, obviously not that. And so that's, that's what I think is happening. It's all about because.

[Owen Benjamin]

Story, Right?

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, you need to have a story. The story is what sells it. That's why when people dramatize things, because that's what we have in our hearts. We have like this, these archetypes, you know, the hero's journey and what Top was talking about with the archetype is a great way to view the world of like, what does the jester do? What does the king do? What is. You know, that's. It's so true, man. And it's fun. It's fun. It's legit fun.

[Top Lobster]

Let me ask you a question, but I want to still talk about this, but pertaining to the jester king thing, I haven't come across many, but I assume maybe, you know, so some people play certain archetypes, some people are just NPCs. They don't really have this role in their life for whatever reason. But you, Owen, seem to play too. You play the jester, but you also play the king in a certain way. And I, I play the king, but in my house, you're playing the king on like, a much larger level. How does that work and is this normal?

[Unknown Speaker]

Great question. I. I think the duality would be best described as the fool and the hero, where you have the hero's journey and the fool's journey is actually kind of oddly similar, where the fool is stumbling into this adventure because he's, he's such a. And the hero does the same thing, but it's because only a fool would be a hero. Kind of is like, kind of the, the underlying thing. And so that's, I think that's kind of where I'm at because I don't want power. You know, I have the king archetype because people call me that or like, people literally like, knit me like, crowns and send it to me. And it's like I, for whatever reason, people view me as like the, the king in certain ways, but I think it's just because I'm a placeholder of a value and they know that I won't. Like the king doesn't really do a lot on the chessboard. He can only go like one position. It's like, I think the concept that I'm not going to cuck and I'm so stubborn on stuff that can be so stupid, even at my own detriment. And then over time, it gives people a sense of security where they're like, just thinking about the fact that I am not going anywhere and I'm doing my thing and that I'm not going all over the chessboard with my own agendas. That's the king archetype of me, because I don't possess some of the other ones where it's like, I don't have this, like, hyper alpha vibe where I want to. I have my inner circle and I control and all that. Like, that's not me at all. For me, I think the. The reason people want to put a crown on me is like, you're going to hold our area just because you won't leave, you know? And so that's where I think that comes from. I'm much more of a jester type where, you know, I figure out a way to tell the powerful people, like the actual king archetypes, like, just the king, the truth that would help them. Like, I've literally texted shit to my Jewish friends for years, like, please show this to the Jews. I'm like. I'm like, if I do it in a funny way, will you be able to see? You know, And. And that's what I'm always trying to do, is trying to get very painful information to people where we can maintain our social order. Like, I don't want the chessboard to flip. I. I studied World War II, you know, I studied government collapse and all that stuff in Czech Republic for college. Like, I know how this works, like, the how to moor and all that. And it's the flipping of social order from corruption. And when I see signs of it, I want to help it not do that, because that's a lot of suffering when that happens.

[Owen Benjamin]

Do you see the same thing, like, how we just described what's going on with Elon? It seems like they're. They're giving a story to this entire consolidation of companies in order to have us buy it. Because I do think you're right. There is, like, storytelling is something that is unique to the human experience, and it resonates with us in such a deep level because of things like the hero's journey. I think, like, Jesus Christ's story is the ultimate hero's journey. Right? As far as, like, descending into the underworld and overcoming death and returning. So there is something about these stories that resonate with us. Maybe resonate's not even the word. They are part of us.

[Unknown Speaker]

They're real. They're.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's real.

[Unknown Speaker]

That's the thing. It gets to the point when I. I talk to people about this with placebo effect, they're like, oh, that just shows the gullibility of people. I'm like, it show power?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes.

[Unknown Speaker]

Like, if you can heal yourself with faith and belief, is that not real? It's like, oh, but it's. It's not real. It's like, no, it's real. The higher realm is that realm. And so when, when people have that come to Jesus moment and they feel like acceptance and, and they rid themselves of their self hatred and they take that forgiveness, like, is that not real? And someone's like, well, there's evidence. I'm like, you're not in the same realm. That's the realm of like, you know, Satan, where it's like where you have the ruler of this realm. And so, yeah, I think Elon Musk is as close to that as I can think of because of. And it's okay. Like, I'm not mad at it. It's just like the selling of carbon credits is the closest to the sale of indulgences in the world right now. So Tesla doesn't make money selling cars. The cars I think are humiliating. You know, like the Tesla truck to me is so ridiculous, right? They, they make money because all these countries have these laws where you have to have this amount of carbon or there's a penalty. And so what Tesla does is they get so many carbon credits because they have such a good carbon footprint that they sell it to other companies and that's how they make all their money. So, so like, let's say, you know, Ford went over the line and so they come to the Pope and they say, I have sinned, sir. And he says, I will forgive you for this amount of money. And he gives him carbon credits. It's secular sale of indulgences. So what? Like right now, the secular world is about carbon, global warming, all that shit. And so Tesla is the place you go when you have sinned and you seek forgiveness through the issuance of currency. And so then if you control the social engineering, you control the space, you control the Internet, you control the mind, you control all of this, and you allow people to pay you for your sin. That's the Pope, right? That's the secular Pope. And that to me is the closest thing you get to the lower G God of this world.

[Owen Benjamin]

All right, you just convinced me that Elon is the best example of this. That was a really great way of putting that. But I wanted to get your thoughts on, on, I guess what would now be the runner up of, of that example or an example that's like Elon is. Am I wrong? In looking at the story of Donald Trump and recognizing the hero's journey, the unfair persecution of this character, like, it almost like mirrors Christ in some way. And then this, this like Return of the King kind of a character we have. Like, he's written the, the book the Art of the Comeback, and he's he's literally making a comeback. Anybody with any critical thinking skills would recognize that so many of the things that were levied against him were paper thin. They fell apart apart. So, like, the general mobs would rebel against him, but the critical thinker would go, well, that doesn't really seem to be holding water. So even if you didn't really resonate with the guy on a. On a political, legislative level, you might still resonate with a guy who you see being unfairly persecuted. And now we have this big, sweeping comeback story. Even with the assassination thing, it's like, you know, you could think whatever you want about that if that was genuine or not. But the way in which it plays into this storytelling is so phenomenal to me that I can't unsee it. I cannot pretend that this isn't theater. It really screws me up because sometimes I, I go, hey, Dave, you're. You don't know a lot. This could very well just be going over your head. You don't really understand politics that well. But there's some part of me, instinctually that looks at this and goes, well, that's storytelling. And I, I just don't know if that. What do you think of that? From looking at it, I. I tap.

[Unknown Speaker]

Out at when I have to figure out who's in on it and what. Like, who knows? Like, who has awareness. Yeah, it's 100% a story myth. It's an archetype. It's playing out as a myth. Right. So. But what I always want to know is who is aware of it and who is just. I think this realm has a way where when you're kind of hollowed out or when you live a certain frequency, you become part of a story that you're not really aware of. And I. That could be totally the case because I've seen stuff like that play out in my life where if I was a truth or I'd be like that. There's no. The odds of that are insane. Like, how did that just happen? Where you're just part of a story. That's why I always love that movie, the Never ending Story. And I did that breakdown on it. So, yeah, I mean, it's like this realm is all about archetypes and story lines and mythology and the higher realms, the lower realms and all that. And the whole time, you can always go higher realm. You can always choose love and forgiveness and all. And truth and, you know, intentional suffering for the good of others. And all this stuff that is really, you know, divine is always available And. And while that's all happening, you can be a part of the Neverending Story. You can watch it, enjoy it. You know, it's just once I, like, really knew that the soul is pretty eternal, I got a little less freaked out by all kinds of. With it like that. You know, it's like they're gonna put me on a train. Like, I'm just like, what? I don't know. I just think this place is a very interesting place. And. And it. It just keeps going.

[Owen Benjamin]

Sometimes I think that they're very much like a government operation would compartmentalize, you know, like a need to know basis. Like, you only. Like, if you take the Bob Lazar story and you believe that at all. I do think that there's some significance to the idea that in order to maintain a secret, they would compartmentalize things. Now, I'm not saying that this is done on purpose, but it does seem like there's a compartmentalization in that. There are some people that are going with the flow and they're being nudged in. In spiritual directions, not really aware of the part that they're playing. Maybe being influenced subtly by something grander, something overarching, something spiritual, in my opinion. But then there are people that are doing a thing that they know is not good, but they think they're doing it for the right purposes. And then you have people. There's all kinds of levels to that. But I do think there is room in the conversation for going full schizo and being like, some people are in contact with entities. That's my feeling. Yeah, I think there's room in the conversation for some people. I mean, you don't have a history of, like, an Aleister Crowley doing, you know, seances in. In the Great Pyramids and talking like, awas or whatever the hell it is, and, you know, all these different things. There, There's a precedent, a long time, a historical context for human beings, especially elites, communing with entities in the spiritual realm. And I think that still exists today. I think it's the main driving force, but I think all the way down. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump doesn't really grasp the. The role that he's playing or. Or even, like you just said, Owen, where it's like, things unfold in your life and only hindsight do. You look back and you go, that's weird. And. And it happened against all odds. And I could see how somebody would think there's a whole conspiracy here, but it's just the way that it happened. And Is it. Is it. Is it like a fate thing? Is it a. A spiritual thing? Are you being nudged in this way or that way? Or is it all. I mean, I don't think it's random, but I do think that's how it works. It's. It's a, like, a need to know basis, almost. Animals, bro.

[Unknown Speaker]

100, man. That's how I view it, totally. Where I think there are entities, I think there's the angelic entities and the more demonic entities. And I think, you know, that's what influence is. That's why when people. The word influencer, I think, is so fascinating. Because that realm. I mean, Jerry Marzinski and those guys, I mean, it's like they think that all your thoughts are influenced. Like, when you hear a thought in your head, that is an influence. That's a. Like a demonic presence. And that was.

[Owen Benjamin]

Dude, I believe that.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. And that was a psychiatrist at a prison who didn't believe in anything. And he just was, like, asking these schizos what the voices were saying. And some of them were, like, lining up with other ones. And it was, like, getting really freaky for him. And. Yeah, I mean, the idea that a lot of people aren't in on it is so true because there's so much going on. Like, I think a lot of the CIA was, like, when 9, 11 happened. There's all these. There's all these, like, stories of what went down at the CIA. And they were all, like, terrified and freaking out. And I think a lot of them don't know any of it, you know, And I think some of it is above. I do think that there are people that are aware of some shit, though. I do think that there are some groups. I just don't think that we know them. I don't think that. I think fame is a liability. It isn't an asset when you're dealing with massive social control. You know, when you're dealing with viewing the world as a farm and how to keep. How to keep it functioning, that you wouldn't. You wouldn't tell them who you are.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, I think that. That we talked to Dr. Jerry Marzinski, and he brought that. I think he said upwards of, like, 80% of your thoughts are not your own. And I'm not necessarily sure how he's come to that conclusion. But it is. Once you have that in your head, if you keep that and you let the thoughts pass through that filter, I'm, like, pretty sold on that idea.

[Unknown Speaker]

Me too, bro. Because, you know, the Jerry thing That he teaches people is like, would I say that? You know, like, is that me? Dude? It's so true. Sometimes I'll see a story. This is gonna sound up, but it's just true. I think more people should just admit what. And I'll see something really sad or, like, really awful, and I'll just have this thought of, like, they deserved it, you know? And I'm like, that's not me. And. And I'm like, holy. Like, that isn't like. I. That's not my thought. And I. I think a lot of people have that where they're just like. They'll have this little thing just be like, good, yeah, them. Like, that's not you. And it sounds like you, but it's just a thought. Or just, like, you think someone. You just look at someone. You're like, oh, what a fat. Or something, you know?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's like, why think that I have that?

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, it's like, jerk off. Jerk off.

[Unknown Speaker]

Right, right, right, right, right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Leave me alone, dude. I'm trying to do some stuff. And it's like, you should jerk off. I'm like, no. Damn it, man.

[Unknown Speaker]

People are like, oh, you're hearing voice. It's like, no, that, like, think about your thoughts. Like, if your thoughts are destructive to you or other people in any way, why would you think that?

[Owen Benjamin]

Right.

[Unknown Speaker]

It's actually a pretty good way of. Of being a better person, you know?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And I think that it helps you to not look at those things as. As if they're, like, a problem with you, because everybody has it. I really gotten to the point where I think schizophrenia is that just dialed up. And I think the way that it gets dialed up is you keep consenting to these voices so they gain more power. I also think they feed off of, like, fear and negativity and depression and anger and all that.

[Top Lobster]

The mess doesn't help. Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And meth, that doesn't help at all. But if you're like. If you're engaging in consenting to these voices. If I go, like, fine, I'll jerk off. Right? And then also I'm in a state of, like, depression and anxiety and anger. These things are feeding, and they're getting what they want, so they're getting stronger. And I think it just gets to the point where either you have, like, a damn breaking moment where, like, it builds up so big that there's a snapping moment, and then all of a sudden, you're. You're hearing something audible, or I think it just dials up and it goes from Thoughts to, like. Was that a whisper? To, like, eventually. Is that a disembodied voice talking to my head? It's been there all along. It's just your willingness to engage in whatever it is it's telling you to do determines how strong it gets and how loud it gets.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. And then that, like, you. You detach from reality. That's why react. Like having a sense of what's real is so important because, like, there's a real narcissism to schizophrenia, you know, where you're like, I, I, we're. You're now acting out the will of nonsense, because that whole realm is nonsense. And people. I've seen people suffering in that state, and it's. Yeah, I think a lot of it. This, like, what methamphetamines, I think, does have a lot to do with it, like, not sleeping. There's got to be something angelic about sleep where you reconnect, you know, like, if you stay in this place too long without sleep, you know, it's almost like we're underwater, like scuba diving, and you have to go up to the boat every night, you know, and if you're here too long, like, if you're up for five days on math, like, you start losing your, like, I think this. I think the. The carbon realm, you know, I think that's what 666 means. Like, the. The carbon is six. It's six protons and six neutrons, six electrons. And I think there's some, like, funny joke with that where it's like, this realm is pretty nutty if you don't keep connecting to the divine.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's something that we've been exploring here on the show is, you know, every once in a while we'll talk to somebody a little bit like, New Agey or something like that, and they'll say, like, Jesus Christ was never real. You have 33 vertebrae, and there's an oil secreted by your spine called Christos. And if you can, through meditation, make that migrate to your pineal gland, you can achieve some sort of ascended masterhood, which is what Jesus was allegedly. Or you get like, the Zeitgeist thing, right? Where it's like, well, the son of God, literally, the sun will, as we reach the winter solstice, come to a position. This is very much from, like, Zeitgeist, where it rests essentially on what's called the celestial crux.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And it rests there for three days, and then it starts. The days get longer after that. And so the, you know, the sun has risen. And I don't look at that and go like, oh, then Jesus Christ is just a. An analogy for these layers.

[Unknown Speaker]

Why can't all of it be true?

[Owen Benjamin]

That's exactly what I'm saying.

[Unknown Speaker]

Because if you look. Totally think is. It's like to me, that reinforces true. It's like you're seeing layers. You're seeing layers of true rippling out in metaphor literal. All of it. It.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah. It's like if you look on, it's like you'll find the Fibonacci sequence on a pine cone, but you'll also zoom in on the pine cone and continue to see it all the way down to the micro and all the way up to the macro. And I think that, yeah, why would. Yeah, this, this character of Jesus Christ seems a central figure to our entire experience here. Why wouldn't he be echoed in the macro all the way down to the micro? That's. That's what I see in it.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, that's the fractal nature of truth. I think the. The more true it is, the bigger the fractal, where you see things that scale in interesting ways and when the fractal runs out. Because sometimes there is an issue with fractals running out. Yeah, I totally think that the son of God and the solstice and the three days and the tomb and the 25, like, I'm all about that shit. That does not negate biblical Christianity at all. In fact, it's more like a connector to the world around you, where the ripples and the winks, like the synchronicities, the Carl Young stuff. That is so true, man. And if you try and explain it to people, they think you're crazy. But like coincidences that aren't remotely possible that just keep happening and you see them fractally happening. And what's true in the micro is true in the macro. Like last night, my son's. Dude, I do this stream on. What was it? I don't want to just ramble here, but I did a stream topic that has everything to do with what I witness. And so my. I'm sitting there and I'm just hanging with my kids and the kids are playing. Oh yeah, Simon says. So Walter just starts doing stuff and they don't even talk about it. There's no communication at all. And my other sons are like mimicking him. And they're playing. They're just playing a game and they're full of total joy and they're just doing stuff and it's just kids Being kids. And it just keeps escalating until they literally start like an army. So Walter's leading it, and they're, like, marching past me. And then he'll be like, punch. And they all punch me. And they're. Everyone's laughing and stuff. And then they just start evolving into psyops, where Jack is to, like, kiss me and be, like, really nice, while Charlie punch. And I'm, like, dying laughing that without any input, they're playing a game that becomes NATO, you know? And I'm just like. And that's. That's what the fractal is. The fractal is when you see just these, like. Like, for example, narcissism. I think some of that is, like, something from childhood that didn't grow because every little kid has this thing where they want to define themselves. Like, I am different than the group. And when they're about three, every now and then, you'll see something really funny. Like, Jack has his older brothers, and everyone's playing and he's not being paid attention to, and he just starts going, me. Like, it was. He just goes, me. Like, that's it. He just wanted everyone to know he exists.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

And so when you're an adult and you have that. Where it's like, but me, though. But me. Me. And you're not. And you're not. You didn't reconnect with the community again. So you. Like, when you're born, you're completely helpless. And then you start realizing you exist. That's what they call the terrible tools, too, is because you're like, I can inflict shit. You know, I'm like. And then you reconnect with the group, and you reconnect with how everyone's connected, but not like, you exist, but we all have a connection. And that's when you don't become narcissistic personality disorder. And I think a lot of people these days, because of bad family structures, exposure to, you know, porn, and they just don't grow back to reconnecting. And that's why you see so much of this. But me. But me. You know, like, the people sending CPS to your house, they're like, but he made me feel bad. Like, they're not like, is this up? You know, they're like, but. But me, like, no, I feel bad. It's like, but you just. But you just did that terrible thing. It's like, yeah, but you're not understanding, like, me.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And I get it. I get it. It's. It is what it is. But I Mean, you know, on that, that topic of like, your ability to see that, that fractal nature all the way from your kids all the way up to NATO and everything. And then the same thing with like, Christ, you only reject that if you start from a premise of like, wanting to disprove Christ. Right? Like, let's say like in that particular instance, you only reject that when that's your premise and you see something and you go, no, no, no, no, you idiot. That is just a fancy story for the sun in the sky. I win. Right? But if you don't do that, if you don't come from this, like, place of resentment.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

It actually enriches your entire worldview and it makes it so that like, and it's, it's not like it wasn't already enriched, it's just your view became enriched. Right. The world is rich. This realm that we inhabit is like fractal and multi layered and, and spiritual. And there's storytelling happening and there's archetypes and everything. And you could enjoy all of this or you can come from this place of resentment where it's like, me or it's like, no, Christ doesn't exist. He's the juice in your spine. And you know, it's. It's all right there, right in front of you. But your own psychology, the filter that it passes through, it either damns you or it makes you have this incredible experience and you get to decide which is, I guess, where the free will comes in.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. And you get these gifts when you admit that too. I've noticed that like every time you're like, I don't really know, like, you know, and you're like, oh, I was wrong. Oh. But like, when you think that way, there is a force. It's like, here's some more juice, here's some more gravy.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Unknown Speaker]

So it like. Yeah, you are limiting yourself and you're like, not your way. It's. It's not me. You know, I. Yeah, all right, man. So true.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, look. Oh, and I really appreciate you making the time for us. Always a pleasure to, to be able to kick it with you. Can you one more time as we bring this in for a landing? Let everybody know where they can go and find your content.

[Unknown Speaker]

Unauthorized TV is our. It's five bucks a month. And it's the feed the bear that's like my one. It has all of my. George, My dog gets up every time I bring up unauthorized, so. Because that's usually when I'm landing the plane.

[Owen Benjamin]

So we have our money.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, we have our own. We have our own servers. This is what I would me and Vox did when I was kicked off YouTube, so it's stable. And then our social media, which is very manicured. There's no intensity on it at all. It's the good, the true, the beautiful. It's Bertaria Times wherever you get your apps. And then owenbenjamin.com for my specials and P.O. box 490, Sandpoint, Idaho, 83864. The fundamentals of free speech. Thank you. Benjamin Franklin. The United States Post Office.

[Owen Benjamin]

Very cool, man.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, man.

[Owen Benjamin]

We do the plugs and like, usually people are like, oh, you know, you can go and find me here. You can go find me here. You're like, I've built this entire community and all this apparatus up around it and have your pick.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah. I'm like, I don't. I. I don't trust it. Because people like, could you believe Elon might kick me off? I'm like, yeah, go figure.

[Top Lobster]

Go figure. As a matter of fact, it's 100 possibility, like, given enough time, you will get kicked off being on here. But again, Owen. Yeah. Thank you for coming, spending time with us. It's always a pleasure to talk with you.

[Unknown Speaker]

You too, bro.

[Top Lobster]

I'm gonna brag to my wife again about how we spoke to Owen Benjamin today. But again, until. Until the next time, guys, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. We'll see you later.

[Owen Benjamin]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.

[Unknown Speaker]

A oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade people that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll lack in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.

[Top Lobster]

And they.

[Unknown Speaker]

That.