119: Ingersoll Lockwood and The Adventures of Little Baron Trump w/ Broadcasting Seeds

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad - Episode 119: Ingersoll Lockwood and The Adventures of Little Baron Trump w/ Broadcasting Seeds

Release Date: February 11, 2025

In Episode 119 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts Top Lobster (David Lee Corbo) and guest Bennett Tanton from Broadcasting Seeds delve deep into the enigmatic connections between 19th-century literature and contemporary political figures, particularly focusing on the works of Ingersoll Lockwood and their alleged prophetic insights into the rise of Donald Trump.

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1. Introduction of Guest: Bennett Tanton

Timestamp: [02:25] - [04:29]

The episode begins with Top Lobster warmly welcoming Bennett Tanton to the show. Bennett introduces himself and his podcast, Broadcasting Seeds, emphasizing its mission to "plant seeds in people's minds to mess them up a little bit, maybe make them do some research on their own."

Notable Quote:

Bennett Tanton [03:40]: "Broadcasting Seeds is just about planting seeds in people's minds to mess them up a little bit, maybe make them do some research on their own."

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2. Ingersoll Lockwood's Books and Donald Trump

Timestamp: [04:29] - [12:08]

The conversation pivots to Ingersoll Lockwood, the author of "The Adventures of Little Baron Trump." Top Lobster mentions his limited reading of Lockwood's works, while Bennett provides a comprehensive overview of the three main books:

1. "Travels and Adventures of Little Baron Trump and His Wonderful Dog Bulger" (1890)
2. "Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey" (1893)
3. "1900: Or; The Last President" (1896)

Bennett highlights the uncanny similarities between Lockwood's narratives and the real-life persona of Donald Trump and his son, Barron.

Notable Quote:

Bennett Tanton [11:00]: "They are products of their time. Right. So like Victorian era. English. And it's exhausting even to listen to them on audiobook."

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3. Correlations and Conspiracy Theories

Timestamp: [12:08] - [25:54]

The hosts explore the eerie parallels between Lockwood's books and modern-day events. Bennett discusses how John G. Trump (Donald Trump's uncle) ties into the narrative, especially his connections to Nikola Tesla and his role in government projects like the Montauk Project and the Philadelphia Experiment.

They delve into theories suggesting that Trump's family may have access to futuristic technologies, possibly inherited from Tesla, and how these elements intertwine with secret societies like the Illuminati.

Notable Quote:

Bennett Tanton [19:40]: "Ingersoll Lockwood just grew up in this whole thing."

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4. Time Travel and Prophetic Elements

Timestamp: [25:54] - [37:35]

Top Lobster and Bennett discuss the concept of time travel within Lockwood's books and its possible implications for understanding Trump's political maneuvers. They speculate whether Lockwood's writings were prophetic or a product of prophetic inspiration, drawing parallels with historical figures like Edgar Cayce.

The conversation touches upon numerological alignments, astrology, and how these esoteric subjects might play a role in shaping global events through predictive programming.

Notable Quote:

David Lee Corbo [31:34]: "Some people speculate that the Trump family has had access to future technologies since then."

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5. Secret Societies and Deep State

Timestamp: [37:35] - [54:37]

The discussion intensifies as the hosts delve into the influence of secret societies on current political landscapes. They examine the origins of the Illuminati in Bavaria and its connections to the Trump family's heritage.

Bennett highlights the overlap between historic conspiracies and contemporary movements like QAnon, suggesting that these narratives are part of a larger psychological operation aimed at influencing public perception.

Notable Quote:

Bennett Tanton [43:47]: "The QAnon movement somehow found this, figured it out, or maybe, I don't know, somebody dug deep and found this and went, oh, we can use this."

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6. Personal Spiritual Experiences

Timestamp: [54:37] - [108:42]

Shifting from historical and political conspiracies, Bennett shares his personal encounters with the supernatural, specifically involving Lilith, a figure from Jewish mythology often associated with demons.

He recounts experiences where he felt spiritually attacked by Lilith, including hearing owls hooting in unusual circumstances and having unsettling dreams. Bennett describes how he countered these experiences through prayer and spiritual cleansing, aligning his beliefs with Christian practices to ward off negative influences.

Notable Quote:

Bennett Tanton [66:20]: "It's like, to coin the phrase that you guys made famous, that's some nephilim."

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7. Recurring Themes and Symbolism

Timestamp: [108:42] - [113:24]

In the latter part of the episode, the hosts reflect on the interconnectedness of various symbols, historical events, and personal experiences. They discuss how these layers of connectivity—ranging from astrology, numerology, to pop culture references—serve to reinforce and execute large-scale manipulations or revelations when the "time comes."

Bennett emphasizes the importance of "planting seeds in the mind," suggesting that numerous conspiracy theories are tools for broader psychological operations.

Notable Quote:

Bennett Tanton [112:28]: "The people need to know. The people need to know. We don't have answers for you to know, but we have questions."

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8. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: [113:15] - [113:24]

As the episode wraps up, Top Lobster and David Lee Corbo encourage listeners to support Bennett's work on Broadcasting Seeds and hint at future discussions on more personal spiritual experiences.

Notable Quote:

Top Lobster [113:15]: "Don't forget to obey, submit and comply. Bye. I'll see you guys in a bit."

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Key Takeaways:

• Ingersoll Lockwood's 19th-century books bear striking resemblances to modern-day Donald Trump and his family, sparking theories about prophetic writings.

• Connections between historical figures like John G. Trump and Nikola Tesla suggest a lineage of access to advanced or suppressed technologies.

• Secret societies and movements such as the Illuminati and QAnon are perceived as orchestrating or influencing global events through psychological manipulation and predictive programming.

• Personal spiritual experiences, including encounters with mythological entities like Lilith, highlight the blend of conspiracy theories with paranormal and supernatural beliefs.

• The hosts advocate for critical thinking and independent research, positioning their podcast as a catalyst for questioning mainstream narratives.

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For those intrigued by the intricate web of historical coincidences, spiritual encounters, and conspiracy theories, Episode 119 of Nephilim Death Squad offers a thought-provoking journey into the unknown. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, the discussions presented by Top Lobster and Bennett Tanton are sure to challenge and expand your perspectives.

Transcript

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[Top Lobster]

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[Bennett Tanton]

Productions we are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely.

[Top Lobster]

Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.

[Bennett Tanton]

It's like we all know what's going.

[David Lee Corbo]

Down but no one saying what happened to the home of the brave?

[Bennett Tanton]

Take control this now when no one's talking about how they know this f and everybody's just walking around heading the closet Want to wake up to a.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dead in the grave Five minutes too late. We need to be ready to raise up.

[Bennett Tanton]

Welcome to the end of day, everybody. Only some are aware that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's, guest. I would like to remind all of our live viewers that this is a 30 minute preview only. Sometime around the 30 minute mark we'll be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad. If you would like to continue watching along and enjoying an ad free viewing experience, then you can sign up over there. Otherwise, give it a few days and the episode will release in its entirety for free. Actually on rumble only because we can't really upload stuff to YouTube anymore. Also, guys, consider going over to top lobster.com it is a great way to support the show. It's also a great way to turn heads while you're out in public. Get a psyop season shirt, an MK Ultra Dolphins shirt. That's actually one of my favorite designs that you've done recently. Top and a bunch of other stuff awaits you on toplobster.com dangerous shirt, OG NDS logos, all kinds of goodies. So head on over to top lobster.com joining us today is Bennett of Broadcasting Seeds. Bennett, if you would, for the audience who may not be familiar with you, let them know where they can find your work and what it is you focus on.

[Bennett Tanton]

So my name is Bennett Tanton. I am the host of Broadcasting Seeds podcast and you can pretty much find me wherever podcasts are listened to. I'm on all of it. YouTube, rumble, all of it. And Broadcasting Seeds is just about planting seeds in people's minds to mess them up a little bit, maybe make them do some research on their own. And it's one of the biggest issues that I have with folks is there they always listen to my show and they're like, well, you didn't tell us enough. And I go, that's kind of the point of the show is for you to expand your mind. So yeah, that's what Broadcasting Seeds is all about.

[Top Lobster]

I like it. Yeah. Just planting little subversive. That's why they call me the father of disinformation. That's what I do. I create little rabbit trails and I let people go off and figure out whatever they need to figure out.

[Bennett Tanton]

Because honestly, big holes for people to fall into.

[Top Lobster]

Exactly. Yeah. Twist your ankle into. That's really all I'm trying to do. But the other holes that are around, they're complete lies. The ones that I tell are half lies. So go ahead, find them and figure them out yourself. Let me know if it's. But that's a. I like the, I like the objective of, of your show there, man.

[Bennett Tanton]

Absolutely. It's. I Mean, it's, it's what it's all about. Because in this country nowadays, just nobody, you know, you've got, everyone lives in a box and nobody thinks outside of it. And we just have to, you know, there's so much going on and frankly, it's accelerating. You know, I had a really good conversation the other day with one of, one of you guys's friends, Ed Mabry. He, him and I recorded an episode for Broadcasting Seeds. And man, that dude is scary. Like knowledge, right? Like terrifying.

[Top Lobster]

We did like 30 episodes with, I.

[Bennett Tanton]

Know, man, I listened to every single one of them and he is, he is a terrifying individual, the amount of knowledge that he has in his brain. But, you know, these are the people that I want to hang out with because they're the ones that maybe have the answers to what's going on or, you know, you're the sum of the five people you spend the most time with. And as we know, I'm half retarded. So I, I, I, I'll head out, I'll surround myself with people like Ed any day of the week. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, well, we're in a weird time, right? You said it's almost like it's accelerating. Yeah, and I would agree with that. And we're in this time where like people are, especially right now, and by right now I mean within these like, couple of months since the new year, there's a, a massive falling away from the official narrative and from the mainstream conglomerations. And people are still looking for answers. You know, they're falling away from, from Those, you know, CNN's, Fox News, things like that. And the world is becoming more upside down in so many ways. So people have a lot of questions and the old guard does not have a lot of answers. And so I feel, much to the dismay of the listener, they are being funneled towards people like us. And I don't claim to have any answers. I've got a lot of, I certainly have a lot more questions than I have answers. But one of the things that we set out to talk about with you today is something that comes up in conversation constantly. But in, in my traditional fashion, I have done no reading on this topic whatsoever. I cannot read, I will not read.

[Top Lobster]

But I will reference constantly referencing these books constantly.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, no, I, I, yeah, I hear you.

[Top Lobster]

Up until a certain point. He's like, he says it and I'm like, do I correct him here? He's like, there's, there's actually a book, it's called like Little Baron Trump. And and what happens is he's the last president, and I'm just like, all.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right, no, that's not what I think. Yeah, that's a bastardization of what I say. I say something that at least holds some water, and then I don't talk about it much more beyond that because I know that I have no grounds in reality when it comes to reading this book.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

I. On Inverted World live last night with Shane Cashman. And once again, these books came up, these books that. That we're talking about. These are the Ingersoll Lockwood books. They are. You know, and here my. My knowledge is so limited, I can tell you everything I know about them in the next 45 seconds. Basically, it's a series of books that came out in the late 1800s by a guy named Ingersoll Lockwood. And there's a lot of strange, uncanny coincidences between the narrative in the book and the characters in the book and how they connect to Donald Trump and his own son, Barron Trump, and also the Trump administration, his presidency. It's a very strange series of books. And I. And I don't know where to place them, because as a conspiracy theorist, I get excited when I see that. It feels like you. You, you know, found a really cool rabbit trail to go down. And then the more you look at it, I. I swear I've come to the conclusion. Not the conclusion, but after all these years, because they really kind of hit the mainstream, like, 2017, 2018, 2019. It was really big. And then from then on, it started to really enter the. The conversation. I don't even know if they're real, dude. I don't know what to make of them. So I'm excited to have this conversation. Why don't we start, Bennett with, like, how do these things get on your radar?

[Bennett Tanton]

So. So I was literally doing research on the Antichrist, like, as one does, Right, Exactly. Right. Because. Because, you know, that's what everybody does, right? So I'm sitting here doing the research on, like, trying to say, you know, are we in the end times all. You know, it's such a simple question, right? So at the end of the day, I was doing this research, and, you know, a lot of people had floated this idea that Donald Trump was. Is or was the Antichrist, right? Well, I don't know about all that, but at the end of the day, I tripped and fell into these books, right? And that's how I found them, literally. Well, first it started with the one which was about. Because the name Baron Trump popped up.

[David Lee Corbo]

But it's in the title, right? It's. It is. I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna take a crack at it. It's. It's. The Marvelous Underground Adventures of Little Baron Trump. Is that it?

[Bennett Tanton]

That's one of them, but it's. And it's still not quite right, but there you go.

[David Lee Corbo]

I felt so confident saying that the.

[Bennett Tanton]

First one written or published, I should say, is the Travels and Adventures of Little Baron Trump and His Wonderful Dog Bulger. So that was published in 1890. Okay. And, I mean, that one wouldn't really. So here's the other thing. You. You brought up the fact that you've never read them. Correct. What about you?

[David Lee Corbo]

Which is also consistent with all books that I own, but go on.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, I've.

[Bennett Tanton]

I've read.

[Top Lobster]

I've read the first one, but I have. I have all three here in this compendium. So I have read.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that's.

[Bennett Tanton]

And that's a great version. See, here's part of the issue, though, that I. That I found some of the late. Like, the republished books are not exactly the same, so that might be a whole nother rabbit trail to go down. There's some. And there's some stuff published online that it doesn't give you. It doesn't give you the whole. You know, it's like the translation of every book out there. Right. It. Some of the things don't jive. So either way, you've got the. That's the first book, and then another book on Barron Trump, which is the Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey, which is really the one that gets a little wild. Right. Now, if the Trumps had a dog named Bulgar, that would really be scary. Right. But they don't.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was thinking about that when you mentioned. I was like, I don't think that I've ever heard anything about that dog.

[Bennett Tanton]

So 1893 is when that one was published, and now that one follows Barron on, you know who. Baron Trump is. A wealthy young aristocrat, period. Now, if you really dig into it, because I'm not trying to smash anything, but I have to show both sides of this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

Baron is spelled differently than Barron's name. Now, that doesn't mean anything necessarily on the surface, but Baron is actually a title. Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Bennett Tanton]

And Baron Trump's name is spelled with two Rs. And now just one. But again, young aristocrat who, you know, most people draw connections between the character and, you know, his. The thing with the journey is that he's. I wouldn't say so people will say, oh, he's, he's led by his guy Don. Right. And that's true, but not exactly true. He finds a manuscript that's written by this guy Don, but Don's full name is. It's her. It's huge. Right. And again, it's. Don is kind of like what. Like when with the Mafia, they call him Mafia Don. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

The same way like Baron is a title. Like a wealthy landowner generation. Correct.

[Bennett Tanton]

But that, yeah, who knows? That could just be a way to divert attention, whatever. But either way. So Those are the two Baron books. And then you run across the book. 1900 or another title has been called the Last President. Now I don't know. I've seen it published both ways and I don't know why. I, I mean, I understand why they call. Some people would call it the Last President, but it's more hyperbolic. Right, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I mean, I'm not really familiar with books, but is that a common thing? Sorry for them.

[Top Lobster]

What a great sentence.

[David Lee Corbo]

Put that on his tombstone.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right? To have multiple titles. Right. It doesn't make any sense.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Is that, is that a thing that is common? I mean, I've not stumbled upon that.

[Top Lobster]

No. There are titles and there are subtitles. But yeah, this is. Right, this is one where it has been given this name and then somebody said, no, that name. We're going to give it a different name.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right. So like 1900 is just the year that it happens that it's allegedly set in. Right. But it was published in 1896 and that is the book, in my opinion, where there's some. So, yeah, I will get into greater detail, I guess. But needless to say, you brought up the fact that you had not read them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

It's because it's an awful book.

[Top Lobster]

These are not good books.

[Bennett Tanton]

They are not. Well, not, not in the modern day. They are absolutely written and they are products of their time. Right. So like Victorian era.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

English. And it's exhausting even to listen to them on audiobook.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

So. But.

[Top Lobster]

Well, dude, that's why you have 80, 000 views on your. Because you're, you seem like the only guy who's read this book.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nobody else wants to.

[Bennett Tanton]

I mean, there's, there's other videos that have millions of views, but they, they explain it incorrectly, in my opinion. Not, not. I'm not trying to smash people. I'm just saying that at the end of the day, they, they, you can tell that they've probably never read the book. I mean, at least listen to it on audiobook. I mean it's. But it's, it'll make your ears bleed. It's. It's not, it's hard. It's a hard read, man. And the Baron Trump books are longer. Truthfully, 1900 and the LA or the last President is, is easier read. It's like a two hour thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

But I, so in my constant regurgitation of peripheral knowledge that I have gotten via second hand information on these books, I've been made aware and then go out and repeat the idea that there is a correlation between. I suppose it's, it's Trump's towers on Fifth Avenue in New York City in an address that is given within the books associated with, I guess the home of. Is it little Baron Trump?

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, it's. I mean there's not a direct address though that's seen. And that's the rub.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've been going around telling people.

[Bennett Tanton]

Well, because, because everyone, everyone says that. Right. That's not the exact truth.

[Top Lobster]

They talk about Castle Trump in.

[Bennett Tanton]

They do talk about Castle Trump and that, and that makes you go, oh, the towers.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, yeah. But the, the correlation is Fifth Avenue. And as we know, you guys are both from the New York City area. Correct? Originally.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Bennett Tanton]

Fifth Avenue is, you know, it's where rich ass people live and they're rich ass people. It's also in 1900, the book. It's also where the President lived. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Bennett Tanton]

So, but they literally, it's like a, it's, it's mentioned in passing at the beginning of the book because there's riots after the election and they're literally pulling in the National Guard and all this stuff. Now one of the, one of the correlations there that nobody talks about is that, so they talk about the Governor of New York called up or the mayor. It's the governor of. The mayor calls up the National Guard to quell these riots. Well, Ingersoll Lockwood's father was a Brigadier general in the New York National Guard back in the, in the early 1800s. Right. So Ingersoll Lockwood was born in 1841, but his dad, whose name is Munson Lockwood, he was a brigadier general in the New York National Guard. So, you know, there's just some of these correlations that you can tell he's used life experience or stories, maybe that is dad or, or see his, one of his brother or one of his uncles was very good friends with Henry Clay, who is a former Secretary of State. Right. I don't know if you guys know who Henry Clay is. But he was a huge politician back in those days. He was, I think he also ran for president like, three or four times. And his uncle was a, was a big supporter and friend of Henry Clay. And so Ingerso Lockwood just grew up in this whole thing. He was also a diplomat before he was a lawyer, but he was a diplomat. And he was a. What do they call it? A console.

[Top Lobster]

It's like foreign, Foreign nation.

[Bennett Tanton]

Let me find it. Yeah. So, yeah, console to the Kingdom of Hanover, which is now part of Germany, appointed by Abraham Lincoln. So he's basically like an ambassador to, to, to a, what used to be a principality, I think, is what Hanover was in southern Germany. But either way, he lived an interesting life. We don't know a lot about it, or there's not a lot recorded because he wrote these books, Right. And then he ended up marrying a girl, got divorced, and then he, like, fell off the face of the earth and lived a very reclusive life in Saratoga Springs sounds after that.

[David Lee Corbo]

So let me ask you this, because these books, you're, you're laying out a lot of historical information about the, the life and the family.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Of Ingersoll Lockwood. And as you're saying this, I'm, I'm letting go of this suspicion that I had. And the suspicion that I had was this entire thing struck me as strange. It's. We don't hear about these books for a very long time, you know, not my entire life, until all of the sudden, the Trump presidency rolls around and this Ingersoll Lockwood element ties in to this QAnon situation.

[Bennett Tanton]

It seems very, very QAnon. Like fabricated. You know, it really does.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, so what I'm, I guess my question to you then, Bennett, is, is it seems like we should have a healthy amount of skepticism about the nature of these books. But through your research, do you feel more on the side that this is a real figure and these were books that genuinely did come out in the 1800s at the tail end of them, and we just didn't hear about them until all of a sudden it was happening in real life, or is this something else?

[Bennett Tanton]

I mean, my true opinion is absolutely, I, I think that they're real books. I think that now how the information came about, you know, I, I, I can't, I, I can't say, right, because I don't know. But at the end of the day, they're registered in the Library of Congress. They also, anyone can read these books for free by going to Like Project Gutenberg or someplace like that. Like they, at least these three books, they all exist online, but you know, online gets a little hairy. Like it could be totally fabricated, but, but you have like old pictures, I mean, some of the first edition. So you also have first edition books because I have a feeling not very many people bought these things. But, but you never know, right? There's first editions on like Etsy or a books or some of the, you know, ebay that are selling for thousands of dollars. Now. Could they be fabricated and people, you know, are like, hey, I'm going to cash in on this, right? Absolutely, they could be. But I, I've seen and of course I didn't. There's pictures of his grave and he was buried in, oh, New York. His, the other thing about his father that's kind of interest, it's just interesting in history aspects is that his father was also the warden of Sing Sing Prison for a while.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sing Prison?

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, it's just north of the city in Austining, New York. It's north of New York City, but it's Sing Sing Penitentiary is actually what it is.

[David Lee Corbo]

I, I don't know what it is about these things, but I mean, I suppose it is the way that they, they tie into this, this much larger narrative. You know, before the show started, we were talking a little bit about this idea of like Trump's uncle, you know, at mit, John Trump, he's commissioned to go and clean up the research and I suppose the lab of Nikola Tesla and then report back in some capacity on his findings to the FBI. And it just seems like over and over again there is this time travel element. I, I, I said it yesterday. It's like nobody has, when Obama was the president, there were those who speculated that he was the Antichrist and certainly there was conspiracy surrounding him. Right. You got Big Mike being one of the conspiracies. You have the birth certificate issue being another conspiracy surrounding Obama, you know, him being Barry Soto. There's, there's, there is a lot there.

[Bennett Tanton]

Oh, there's a lot.

[David Lee Corbo]

But I don't, I think that the magnitude of conspiracy surrounding Donald Trump dwarfs that significantly, especially in the, the nature of them. So, so what I mean by that is like, you know, hiding your identity being Barry Soto and, and, and marrying a trans dude, whatever those are, you know, pretty profound conspiracies. Being a time traveling Antichrist character who has all of this weird lore that from the, from the 1800s, it's like you can speculate what you want about Obama and it basically becomes he's an asset, an intelligence asset, and he's married to a man and he's not fit to be the president because he wasn't born here. With Donald Trump, it's like he's a time traveler and he might be the Antichrist and, and, and, and he's also going to overthrow a deep, dark, satanic cabal that eats children. Like that is degrees of severity above the Obama conspiracies.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, it's like on another level, I mean, you just literally, it, it's so extreme, it's almost a distraction. Right? I. That's how I look at it.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what it feels like sometimes.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah. I mean, the whole John G. Trump, who is Donald Trump's uncle, you know, with the, with the Nikola Tesla. The thing that's weird about that, though, is that we know Tesla, we know he was a genius, right? Like, and came up with all kinds of amazing. And he was such a genius that they, that they literally suppressed some of his stuff for whether it was by, you know, the, the power with Edison and, and, and those types of, you know, figures, right.

[David Lee Corbo]

There was like, supposedly a big subversion to, to favor like, an Albert Einstein over a nick. And then people speculate as to whether or not that was to deviate us from a much more promising timeline. And, you know, once again, we're getting into timelines. There's like a strange quote I don't claim to understand by Nikola Tesla. I think it's like he's sitting under one of his inventions, like these pylons that he had. And, and he says, from where I'm sitting, I can see the past, the present and the future. And so there's this constant speculation as to whether or not Nikola Tesla figured out time travel. Not to mention, this is something that I talked about last night and something that I'll bring up here again. There's a character on X, His. I think he goes by Invisidon or Biff Don or something like that. But one of the ways that he gained popularity, he's one of my favorite conspiracy theorists, you know, because anytime that somebody catches a breadcrumb trail that is profound and it seems that it developed organic, like, they just did a good job of catching all these things. I'm a big fan of that. So. So this character, Biff Don or Invisidon, one of the two, he is constantly showing you the ways in which Back to the Future points to the film is Back to the Future point to Donald Trump. So the character Biff was modeled after Donald Trump. It's saturated with 911 symbolism, which also ties in. This show is brought to you by the Van Man Company. If you're like me, then you're constantly trying to avoid products that contain harmful chemicals. Especially when it comes to skin care and hygiene. From fluoride in the toothpaste to aluminum in the deodorants, avoiding these products can become a full time job. That's why we're excited to team up with the Van Man Company to bring our listeners a solution. The Van Man Company offers a range of incredible products. The Van Man Company offers a range of incredible products like their miracle tooth powder made from natural ingredients like peppermint oil, ancient sea salt and baking soda. And the best part is it's 100% fluoride free. They even offer an aloe mouth rinse. Or how about their tallow and zinc sunscreen made from ingredients like organic olive oil, organic beeswax and 100% grass fed and grass finished beef tallow. And there's more. With products like tallow and honey soap, coconut and magnesium deodorant and peppermint beeswax lip balm. You can't go wrong. From head to toe, the Van man has you covered. Listeners of this show can use promo code NEPHILIM10 at checkout to receive receive 10% off of their entire order at Bandman Shop. That's promo code NEPHILIM10. N E P H I L I M10 for 10 off of your entire order at the Vanman Shop. From head to toe, the Van man has you covered into the Donald Trump story. But more importantly, the topic at hand is this massive. It's the whole theme of the movie is time travel, right? And somehow Donald Trump has managed to shoehorn his way into that narrative too.

[Bennett Tanton]

And to me, that's way more compelling than this. Once you've gotten into the details of this, that is that whole Biff back to the future thing is so. It's just more compelling to me.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's strange. It's strange. There's so much. But I mean, you know, people may have misrepresented people like myself, the Ingersoll Lockwood books, to whatever degree, but it almost doesn't matter. When combined with all these other elements, it still continues that theme of time travel.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah. Yes, absolutely. And this, I mean, the John Trump the thing, the biggest thing that came out of the whole John Trump, you know, because after Tesla died in 1943, the government seized all of Tesla's research. Now the fact that the government seized all of his research is very Telling. Right. John Trump, who is a MIT professor but has lots of. He's. He's a government asset. Let's just call him that, you know, doesn't mean he was a CIA spy. He's a scientist that works for the government. Right. And he was tasked with reviewing Tesla's work. And at the end of the day, I mean, Tesla, in his own words, had claimed to have developed time travel device, you know, or at least the. The theory of it. And he was totally ridiculed for it. And so bottom line is around that. Go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo]

I was just gonna say it seemed like you can safely say that. I can't claim that he figured out a way to traverse time, but certainly he claims to have come about a way to perceive time.

[Bennett Tanton]

Absolutely correct. Right. And so some theorists believe John Trump inherited Tesla's knowledge, that he kept some for himself. I mean, this is where this all gets in. Right. And that the Trump family has had access to future technologies since then. Since the forties. Right.

[Top Lobster]

Do you guys want to hear something? So I'm. I'm still stuck on this weird rabbit hole that you. You have brought. I'm sorry to cut you off.

[Bennett Tanton]

Oh, no, you do. This is. This is. This is what we do, man. This is fun stuff, right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. This is what, like, has been the most fun about the show, where we're. We're getting information, and then in real time, I'm kind of, like, putting stuff together. Because you said something about Ingersoll, Lockwood's f. The. The warden at Sing Sing. Is that correct?

[Bennett Tanton]

Yes, correct.

[Top Lobster]

Okay. And, yeah, obviously, like, I thought they shut Sing Sing down, but they were renovating it. They're doing a museum. But Sing Sing is known specifically for their use and overuse of the electric chair. So then I said, were they the. I just asked, were they the first ones to use it? No, they weren't. There's a place in Auburn that was the first, like, a year before Sing Sing was using it, but they were using it like crazy. They were like, this is great. It's the best technology we got.

[Bennett Tanton]

Which, again, Auburn's another state prison in New York, right? Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

This is, like. This has deep ties to. It just smells like government, but here's fermentation. Yeah. And here's. Here's the experimentation. Here's the debate. Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla were, at the time, were having a war of currents.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, well. And you had Westinghouse involved in that, too. Just saying. I'm not.

[Top Lobster]

They were. They were arguing with each other. What would be the Best current to use on this chair, AC or dc.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting.

[Top Lobster]

And it's just kind of interesting how it's like fucking Nikola Tesla showing up again here with this, this electric chair that's so prevalent in this, in this jail, which then this guy's father is in charge of. It's like there's a lot of ties connecting everything, you know, and these are.

[Bennett Tanton]

All those little rabbit holes that literally. So I do, I think there's something here maybe, but it's one of those things. Like there's so much. Again, do we really believe in coincidence at this point?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, man, I'm so, I'm so beyond that pale sometimes. What I, what I speculate is, so if Ingersoll Lockwood is a real character, am I then to believe that he is part of a much larger conspiracy where he knows that there's a time traveling president and that he may be the last president? And all these people from all these different things that we just talked about that allude to this, are they all somehow in a larger conspiracy? And maybe, and this is, like I said, totally speculative, maybe it's easier to believe that there is a spiritual influence over these things. So especially when it comes to art, you have a long history of people channeling spirits or the muses to be inspired for the art that they are working on.

[Bennett Tanton]

Huge, right? The muse part for sure. Like, yes. What is it? What. Well, that's talking to.

[David Lee Corbo]

And well, in Greek mythology, they believe that there were nine muses in particular and that you can communicate with them and they would be the inspiration for various works that you did. And so let's say that that is a, a real thing that, you know, and a lot of people, they attribute their works of arts to being given to them in a dream or an altered state, a drug induced state, alcohol, whatever the case may be. There are a lot of artists who openly attribute. Well, this song came to me in a dream. The idea for this book or this movie came to me in this experience. And so I am open to the idea that this guy Ingersoll Locke would just set out to write some books that maybe he never even thought about where the ideas came from. He just what he thought was arbitrarily wrote down, you know, Baron Trump or something like that. And then, you know, later on down the line, we end up making this this big.

[Bennett Tanton]

I mean, it's, it is kind of weird though. Like the Baron Trump part goes like, where did he now, he did spend plenty of time in Germany, showed that earlier. Right. In Hanover. Trump's family is from Germany by a different, they had a different name and it was changed. But it's all kind of the same. Right. I mean, it's like my name Tanton was changed from Taunton. Right. So, yeah, you, you go down that route. The other thing with John Trump, that and Tesla, that kind of comes in is the. And again, it's New York State because it's shady. As you've got the Montauk Project, which I don't know if you guys have heard of. Maybe you have. I, I don't. You know, so the Montauk Project, there's no direct evidence that John Trump dealt with it, but he, there's just a lot of the stuff rhymes with things that he did and people that he knew, people that he hung out with being involved in the Montauk Project, which was, you know, secret, alleged, secret government program that involved time travel, psychological warfare and interdimensional experiments. So like Philadelphia Experiment.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is this the one where they, they're, they're basically experimenting with trauma on children.

[Bennett Tanton]

Part of it. Well, because it's based, it's what Stranger Things is based on. Parts of it are what's based on Stranger Things. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Bennett, before you continue that thought, we are at the 36 minute mark and there's a lot more gravy on the table, guys, because I want to ask about this. You said that his family came from Germany. They specifically came from Bavaria and.

[Bennett Tanton]

Correct? Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

And what's fascinating about that is that is the same place that the Illuminati was birthed from. And there are those who speculate that the Trump family is a breakaway family of the 13 royal bloodlines that made up the Illuminati.

[Bennett Tanton]

So I'm pretty sure some of us people in his bloodline have those nice scars on their face.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, let me tell you, when I look at his dad, is this like his dad had like a weird noggin, dude, he looked like a, like a mushroom. He looked like Toad from Super Mario Brothers. If, if Toad was. It's a, it's a harrowing looking figure. But before we continue that conversation, guys, we are at the 36 minute mark and we are now going to be going live. Excuse me, to patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. If you'd like to continue watching along, you can sign up there, enjoy an ad free viewing. Otherwise the rest of you guys will have to catch the episode when it releases in its entirety in a few days later. All right, so please continue that, that train of thought.

[Bennett Tanton]

No. So I mean, in the, the Montauk project has also ties to the Philadelphia Experiment. We know how that ended up. Right. So it's, it just kind of makes your, your head.

[David Lee Corbo]

The Philadelphia Experiment was the one that allegedly ended with, with the ship. Well, not, not just the ship disappearing, but there was allegations of like, people being in the ship, like, like something happened and they phased into the steel of the ship. And, and the way that this was supposedly done is through some sort of manipul manipulation of the electromagnetic frequency or something like that. Right. So this is the same thing that people suspect. There are those who look at 9, 11, and, and they say, how does a plane pass through a building that is designed to take an impact from that building? And then some people will point to the fact that there was a, a storm off the coast of New York and that oftentimes in, in highly electrical charged storms, you will find phenomenon, for example, like a piece of straw getting driven through a stop sign.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And that's a phenomenon that is documented, you know, in hurricanes and tornadoes and things like that. This, you'll find that you'll find straw or things that don't have the structural integrity to be able to pass through something that solid. And yet in the aftermath, you will find things lodged into solid structures that have no business being there whatsoever. Some people speculate that because there is an electromagnetic aspect to the storm, somehow this does something to them, to a solid object on the molecular level, it disrupts it, it breaks it down temporarily, and it makes it significantly less solid. And so I think that's kind of the same thing. And it's interesting to me because Nikola Tesla was all about electricity and frequency. Right? And it's like we've moved away from that in a way. We almost look at that as like, that's old school stuff. Right. That's like the invention of the light bulb. You put a key on a, a, on a. What did you call it? A kite? And, and that's how you're, you know what I mean? It's all. And that seems like old school.

[Bennett Tanton]

Some Ben Franklin.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And we're done with that now. Now we're trying to split atoms and we're trying to do, you know, fusion, whatever. We're doing extra cool. That's old school. But Nikola Tesla didn't seem to think so. He thought that that was the key to everything.

[Bennett Tanton]

Well, I think he went back and, and I, I'm not saying he went back in time, but I think his theories went back in time too. I mean, man, you could pull all kinds of, into this with like the mud flood in Tartaria and all the lost knowledge that we have with acoustics and frequency. And I mean, literally his theory of, you know, I mean, kind of. His theories also morphed into WI fi to an extent. I mean, like you're talking about energy transmission where you're just pulling it from the air.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Bennett Tanton]

We know that exists. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

But it's not, it's not something that. So, so to bolster that conspiracy, people speculate that the reason we snubbed Tesla and we went in this other direction is because you simply can't. If you could just pull electricity from the air and even from the ground, how the hell do you monetize that? How do you turn that into a system that people are constantly paying for? You can't.

[Bennett Tanton]

Correct. And if you look at a lot of ancient technologies, Well, a supposed ancient technologies, that's exactly what pyramids maybe were for. There's all kinds of this stuff, the, the spires on all these ancient temples and stuff that we can't even build now.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Bennett Tanton]

So I mean, I, it's, it's ripe for speculation and, or, you know, all the stuff, I mean, but when it really comes down to like stuff with Donald Trump in this whole theory. Right. Especially when it comes to 1900 and the last president, I, I look at that book as a, as a way whether Ingersoll Lockwood was a time traveler or, or had maybe. I, One of the other theories that I kind of like is the fact that he might have been like a, like some Edward Casey stuff, like with, you know, being a medium or, or like just dreaming this stuff up, trying to, Is that, is that the guy's name? Edgar Casey?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

You know, so I, I kind of look at it that way as more of a prophetic type of thing, that this might be a reality that could happen. Because if you think about Donald Trump and the way that he, even the way that he speaks, he speaks in very prophetic statements with big things coming and people won't believe what happens next and all these things. Right. And some speculate that Trump knows what's coming. Maybe, maybe he does like it. Right. So. And buddy's been using that knowledge strategically.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Bennett Tanton]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's the thing. It's, you know, on one hand he's interpreted as like a bumbling idiot, and on the other hand he's interpreted as some 5D chess playing time traveler. It's a, it's a phenomenal place. Yes.

[Bennett Tanton]

With some of his stuff Where, I mean, I'm. I'm sorry, but, you know, you got to look at some of the executive orders that he's made or threats that he's done. He's. He's doing. He's playing the art of the deal with a lot of these things, too, where it's like, hey, if I tear a few 25% or threaten it, you know, that you're going to get a response from Canada or Mexico. And look, oh, my God, look what happened. You know, circumventing things with verbiage. He does that very, very, very well. So I.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's another element, Bennett. I don't know if you've ever heard of it. I'm sorry to interrupt. I just want to kind of.

[Bennett Tanton]

Oh, no, you go right ahead.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, speaking of shows that seemingly. Or entertainment that alludes to Donald Trump, 1958 episode of a series called the Track Down. And it's a western. It's an old Western. And. And the episode in particular is called the End of the World. And in this episode, a stranger comes to town and he's warning of impending doom. The world is going to end. And, you know, fear not, he has a way to remedy this. All you have to do is allow him to build a wall around the town, and this will protect it somehow.

[Bennett Tanton]

Like, this is the stuff we're talking about.

[David Lee Corbo]

His name in it is Trump. That's the name of the character that comes to town and. And he turns out to be a con, a con man, a charlatan.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

I. I mean, I don't know what I. I think I'm getting more and more comfortable with. With what you just said, which is like, is there a mediumship aspect to this? Are you. Are you getting something? And, and because I think a lot of people probably are channeling ideas. There are. We talked to a clinical psychologist named Dr. Jerry Marzinski. He believes that, like, upwards of 80 of your thoughts are not your own. And I. I kind of am inclined to believe him because sometimes ideas and thoughts and notions just pop up in my head unprovoked. And it seems different from, like, my own thought process where I will organically come to a conclusion or an idea in my head after working it out, or something will just pop into my head. And I. And I'm inspired in some way. I go, oh, that's. That's interesting. And then I take that. So I think there is room in the discussion for whether or not these people are just receiving something. And if you're not aware that these thoughts are not your own. Well, you just interpret them as your own thoughts, and then you go ahead and jot it down on a film or a movie or. Or.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Or a book.

[Bennett Tanton]

So one of the things, too, like, something as simple as, you know, Donald Trump has in the past used pseudonyms as well. Right. And one of his pseudonyms that he used in the 80s a lot is John Barron. So this is not a thing that a lot of people talk about, but.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've never heard that he's gonna say. I've never heard it either.

[Bennett Tanton]

And he would pose as like a. You know, there is an actual lawyer named John Baron, but I think he's a lot younger either way. Like, if you Google that name John Baron, but look it up as pseudonym for John. For Donald Trump used. And it's John Barron, and it's spelled the same way that his son's name is spelled. B A RRO N. Right. So people wonder where the name Baron came from.

[Top Lobster]

Interesting.

[Bennett Tanton]

Maybe he just liked it.

[Top Lobster]

They said he's using it to manage his own media narratives and promote.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right. Isn't that. It's. So. It's almost like there's kind of this manifestation aspect to that type of stuff too. Right? Yeah. And you get. Man, it's just one of these things. Like, you can go down these rabbit holes forever.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Another rabbit hole that is intimately tied in with Donald Trump, especially right now, is Elon Musk's. Right. We're talking about Tesla. Elon Musk owns the company Tesla, but Werner von Braun, the Nazi father of NASA, wrote a book about a guy that colonizes Mars and his name is Elon.

[Bennett Tanton]

Exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like that is the exact same energy, in my opinion, as the Ingersoll Lockwood books. And, yes. I don't know, it just gets it. Like you said, you can go down endless rabbit holes. They all connect. And I don't even feel like I'm reaching. Like, that was such a late. Like a. That took no energy. Anybody would hear that if you've never heard it before and go like, oh, like, I'm not trying to convince you.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

To use your critical thinking cap and your conspiratorial skills. I'm just telling you that Elon Musk was a character in a book by a. By a Nazi that created NASA, and he's about colonizing Mars. And you go, what?

[Bennett Tanton]

Wait, what?

[David Lee Corbo]

What? Yeah, the hell do I do with that?

[Bennett Tanton]

Right? I mean, so, like, Baron's an unusual name. It's not like, you know, other than the title. Right. Baron can I say, which I understand.

[Top Lobster]

Isn't it interesting? I think just recently, Elon Musk was like, that was brought up to him on Twitter. And he goes, right?

[Bennett Tanton]

Whoa.

[Top Lobster]

Really?

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm like, no, no, he didn't even say that. You know what he said? It was so much more cryptic than that. So this girl brings it up. She goes, anger Soul Lockwood and Elon Musk and Mars and Werner von Braun. And she does the whole thing. And then he comments and he goes, that's just a coincidence. Winky face.

[Top Lobster]

Jeez.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, no, see, and that's what I'm saying is I look at so much of this, like, why is this important? Like, what is the significance, right, To a lot of this? I look at it. So much of it is that it's an inside joke or a reference to hidden knowledge, right? By all these folks that are involved, you know, also the side with Donald Trump. I mean, the Trump family, not just Donald, but even his father and whatnot and associates, they're obsessed.

[David Lee Corbo]

Top. Can you bring up a picture of Frederick Trump and, And his wife? Dude, they're the most. They don't even look real. They look terrifying. They are the shit of nightmares. I mean, literally, his, His. If it's his mom, is that Mary Trump or her middle names, whatever the hell her name is. She looks like Trump in a, In a wonderful wig. She looks like Trump if his hair evolved just a little bit more. It. She has his face. It's so terrifying. And Frederick Trump looks like a demon. He is the worst looking dude I've ever said. Look at this. No, no, no. Okay, so the picture I saw was clearly photoshopped. I now apologize to the parents of Donald Trump. They look a little bit more reasonable than what I had seen. I had seen a horrifying picture.

[Bennett Tanton]

But the other thing with this is that the Trump family is obsessed with branding and legacy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah. And they crush it.

[Bennett Tanton]

I mean, what if they knew about the book beforehand? I. I don't know. I, I really. I. I've tried to do like, you know, six degrees of Kevin Bacon, right? Like, yeah, how close can I get to Donald Trump that I could possibly ask this question of a friend of a friend of a friend, right. I spent a lot of time in the military and, and I do. I did work for the government and I, I've met a lot of people and I also do entrepreneur work and, and stuff within the. That space. So I got to within, like two people. You know, like a friend of a. Of. Of like a family member, right? And I posed this question, and I've just never gotten an answer. I'm like, did you know about the book? No one's. No one of any legitimacy has ever asked that that I've seen or that I can find. Do you know about these books? And would you comment on them? Like, why is that not happening?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I. I think we're gonna get there. I think maybe it's just a matter of when the theater is. Is ready for it, when that part is ready to be crossed, because I do think he's going to play some really insane role. Whether or not Ingersoll Lockwood was. Was in on it or he was, you know, unwittingly predicting something or inspired to predict something, it's all panning out in such. I mean, just to say, the last president, right? And it's like, you look at where we are in the historical timeline of the United States of America. We're in unprecedented times when it comes to the presidency and our election process. It almost feels like we are at the precipice of a total revamping of our. Of our election process. And it also seems like he is now advocating or somebody is advocating on his behalf. Whatever. There's. There's a talk about amending the 22nd Amendment and, and trying to get him to have a third term, effectively nullifying his first one. Maybe you could argue that there was so much interference in his first term that it wasn't fair. And so. But whatever the case is, it's getting so wild that these are things that don't happen. And. And there's a story in the 1800s that tells you kind of that this would happen. So I. I don't know where it all goes. I mean, you know, going back to that discussion we were having earlier about whether or not he's the Antichrist, it's like I don't. I don't so much believe he's the Antichrist, but I do recognize that in the same way, it seems like they want us to find these Ingersoll Lockwood books. They want us to see the Werner von Braun Elon connection. They want us. Tesla connection. They also want us to. They want us to see all this. And that. That kind of gives me a lot of pause, too, right? Because we're speculating, like, what is the nature of this? I don't know what the nature of it is. And maybe they are laughing behind the scenes, but they want us to see this. And that makes me distrusted entirely because there is, you know, in my heart, it. There is a temptation to give in to the validation. You know, I could run around and just say like, yeah, see, we told you he's gonna be the last president. It's like, I don't necessarily believe that. I don't believe any of this is genuine. It feels like theater to me. It feels like it wants to be found. And somebody's laughing when we connect these dots.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, like the key themes of the, of the 19. Really. I mean, Barron, Trump, those whole books. It's just that it's kind of a. It's. It's not really as big a deal, in my opinion as 1900 and the last president. Right. It. Because these books, like the last President, there's a lot of correlation with the present day. But it's different. And I don't know how to describe that it's different other than, you know, it talks about a. A election of a controversial populist president, and you can't say that Trump is anything other than that. Yeah, right. The parallels to Trump is that, you know, many. And I'm going to read this part because I'm half an idiot. Many readers have drawn connections between this fictional leader and Donald Trump, who was an outsider candidate running on the populous platform in 2016. However, it's essential to note that the novel's president aligns more with socialist movements of the time rather than the capitalist ones. Like Trump. Right.

[Top Lobster]

It was, it was almost like that book is. Was like a social statement.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, it was. It was more of a based on like the character, literally the. The last president. Right. The guy who won the presidency was. Was more of a. Based on a. The guy who lost the 1900. Gosh, what's his name? William.

[Top Lobster]

Taft.

[Bennett Tanton]

No, of course I lost it. Where'd you go? My notes. And now I can't even read them. Oh. William Jennings Bryant. Brian. Who was a Democratic populist candidate in the 1896 election. Right. The president that actually. But see, here's another. This is. This is one of those little things. Like I brought up the John Baron. Here's a little nugget of. Oh my God, when this book was written and released, the. The actual president in charge at the time was Grover Cleveland. Grover Cleveland is the only other president to have a two term broken term. Does that mean anything? I don't know. But it's just one of those coincidences. Right.

[Top Lobster]

This is something that I assassinated as well.

[Bennett Tanton]

I mean, McKinley was. Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

That's who won. That's who won that election.

[David Lee Corbo]

So Something that I've been speculating as to why we see these things. Like, when you look at Donald Trump, we talked about how there's a bunch of like 911 symbolism associated with him too. Right. Throughout all these events since 9 11, it seems like somehow Trump is woven himself into the narrative. And I almost begin to suspect, like, when you see something like that, right, where there's all these conspiracies surrounding one event or one person, and it's not just one thing. Right. It's like, is there numerological alignments? Yes. Is there weird historical connections? Yes. Is there strange symbolism surrounding them? Yes. And it's like, how are all these things happening at once? I almost feel like the reason these.

[Bennett Tanton]

How did.

[Top Lobster]

How do you write this book? I've never even put that together. That. Because I was like, yeah, McKinley was assassinated in.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah. But after Grover Cleveland was the president in 1896 when this was released.

[Top Lobster]

Right. But it's still like, that's still a little too close, dude.

[Bennett Tanton]

It's still bizarre. And then you have William McKinley. Right. And then who became president when McKinley died?

[Top Lobster]

Roosevelt.

[Bennett Tanton]

Theodore Roosevelt. So there's just. I don't know. I. I haven't really dug into that yet, but there's some things that don't sit right in my gut with that whole thing. I'm just saying, I. Again, broadcasting seeds, Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Right. Well, no, it's not like we have to have answers.

[Bennett Tanton]

I'm literally just. I literally walk around and I just do this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. It's just. But I don't touch my heart.

[Bennett Tanton]

I don't touch my heart first and then do it.

[David Lee Corbo]

But yeah, as long as your heart goes out to people, and I guess.

[Bennett Tanton]

It just depends on who you're talking about doing that and whether it's an issue or not.

[David Lee Corbo]

I. I swear, a lot of what we do is just showing you things that make you go. You know what I mean?

[Bennett Tanton]

That's the whole point. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

But going back to this, this, you know, why is there so many layers of connectivity to like, symbolism, astrology, history, occult crap, all in one, you know, event or all in one character? And I think it's because that is about the. The. The closest you can get to altering this realm is by you sort of can concoct an entire ritual. And it's. The more ways in which it connects to our reality. Like if it connects some way to astrology. Good. That's one layer. If it connects some way to numerology. Okay, great. That's another layer. What if it connects to, you know, Something historical, you know, ancient cultures. Okay, great, there's another one. What if you can then also connect it to several moments that take place in pop culture in Hollywood. Great, there's another one. The more layers of connectivity to something that is established in this realm, the higher the likelihood that you're going to be able to execute this thing when the time comes. And you're going to be able to yield the results that you want when the time comes. And I, I don't think that you can. If you want to move and shake things on the world stage, it has to be done in that way. Because otherwise you're. It's like, you know, I was talking about 9 11. It's like we're trying to, we do a semi annual event called Bohemian Grove. And to try to execute a live IRL event with an audience and, and performers and all this, it's very difficult. So I look over to when they pull off a 911 and I go, how the do you do that? I can't even get people on the docket to perform. And I think it's because there is a real spiritual manipulation. And the way that you do that is through ceremony, is through ritual, is through astrology, numerology, you know, history, all this. And only then can you execute things at a high level. That's like, what's this guy's name? JP Morgan. Allegedly this is something that is attributed to him. I can't verify it, I've tried. But he says like millionaires worry about one thing, billionaires worry about astrology or something like that.

[Bennett Tanton]

You know, something like that. You're right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. So, you know, obviously that there's. They're telling you, if that quote is true, that at the highest levels, the biggest operators on this, you know, world stage are using things like astrology, etc. To be able to pull them off.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, well, we know also Rockefeller had lots of ties to astrology. Right. So there's some validity to that point. I think when it comes down to these books, right? Especially the 1900 book. I think what we're looking at is a history rhymes situation. Right? I mean, maybe not, but I think that you've got political warning, you know, and, and that that's what it really comes down to is that it reflects the fears of the, of the time that he lived in too. Just happened to be slightly prophetic. Right. I mean, but again, we don't really know. But I, I'm just. This is what my gut says, is that the strange connections to like modern events and like Figures. They're fascinating, but ultimately, I think they're circumstantial. You know what I mean? At least in this case, it would be one thing. Even though there's some ties, I feel like there's just too much lost time, which is also kind of a. A red flag that, like, this guy did all this stuff right. In the. In the late 1890s, basically didn't come back out. But again, we kind of talked about it is. He wrote another book in 1910 talking about. It's called the Laconics of. Of Culture. That's right.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's right. I. I've seen this a little bit, Bennett, and it's like, just to interject, it seems like our guy Ingersoll had a real lamentation for God.

[Bennett Tanton]

Oh, yeah. Like, it's a critique of organized religion beyond anything. Like, he. Not a fan. Right. And he's very much a humanist.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Bennett Tanton]

You know, so. And. And he. I. I don't know if he tried to start a cult. It's almost like he. There's not evidence of that. But you don't write a book like this. I mean, because literally, it's like advocacy for a new cult. That's what this book is about, you know, in place of traditional religious structures. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

And that. That's basically like a. Like a pagan ideology. It's. It's worshiping.

[Bennett Tanton]

Oh, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Creation, not the Creator. And so it's all. It's all, you know, human centric.

[Bennett Tanton]

And again, this book is available. You can find it, but it's a. It's not a banger, as we would say. Right. It's. It is a. It is a hard read. And. But here's the thing. If you're like a. If you are into this stuff, there's some things that he talks about that are in that. In that time periods, the lexicon of. Of knowledge. That's a little different than the way we look at stuff now. Right. Like with Roman. The Roman pantheon and the Greek Pantheon and. And the names of things are a little different. Different to an extent. So it. It might be something, you know, shadowy gods on their shadowy thrones and, and all the. It's. It's. It gets pretty deep. But he really is centered on this immortal human idea. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, you know, what's interesting about that is I'm speculating as to whether or not he's. He's the recipient of some spiritual influence that he's unaware of to.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right. And this is where we talk about this. This influence on him. The mute, the. The Muse.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. And then where does it lead him? It leads him to. To the same as in the garden.

[Bennett Tanton]

It's like, to coin the phrase that you guys made famous, that's some nephilim.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's. I mean, that's what it seems like, right?

[Bennett Tanton]

It really does to me.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's something. It's a whispering. And then eventually it's like, hey, God's not so great, man.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right? And this was near the end of his life.

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Bennett Tanton]

I mean, Thor. It's after he became a recluse, right? So what are you doing in your time alone, sitting in your house in Saratoga Springs, New York, Right? Like, what kind of influence. Like, his wife had left him, married another man, blah, blah, blah. Like, you know, the sob story, right? Who. He went from being a pretty allegedly successful man, you know? I mean, he was a freaking diplomat to, you know, a German principality or whatever, and appointed by the president, Right.

[Top Lobster]

So when was his divorce writing? After the divorce?

[Bennett Tanton]

No, no, no. It was during. He. He was married to her when he wrote some of this stuff. And then. But she was ex. She was. Of course, I don't have the notes on it, but she was a lot younger than he was. And then the other thing is anger. So Lockwood's got poetry that he and I don't have the. Because it's not. It's hard to find. It's hard to dig for this. But she married another poet who was far younger, so. So he's probably a little. I mean, for all we know, she could have been the conduit to the. To the. To all this shit.

[Top Lobster]

You know, something we've been discovering on the show is that a lot of the people that come to us with these supernatural stories or these ideas of being recruited, shit like that, or anything occultic. A lot of the times it follows a divorce, this. This breaking of a union, and then their life just turns to.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yep.

[Top Lobster]

So.

[Bennett Tanton]

Or. Or they. They're influenced by something. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

You said that he was in Saratoga when.

[Bennett Tanton]

Well, that's where he ended. That's where he ended up dying. Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

I just thought it was interesting because.

[Bennett Tanton]

Before that he spent some time in Kentucky, too. I think he had a. A publishing house or something.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Bennett Tanton]

You think I should have this information readily available. Right. But at the end of the day, I didn't want to talk about his history completely. But some of this is very. Like, we don't even know where he went to college. Technically. I think he went to Yale, so that's a little telling. There's skull and bones and some other weird, but I can't find out for sure. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

New York is a very strange place when it comes to kind of these. These characters. Right.

[Bennett Tanton]

Well, I live in New York, too. I don't know if you guys knew that. I.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a terrible place.

[Bennett Tanton]

Why you still live upstate? I live outside Syracuse, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, you live outside? My mother lives up there. I think she's by Albany. Maybe a little bit further than Albany.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

But Aleister Crowley spent some time in New York, specifically, like in the middle of the Hudson river on Esopos Island, I think it was.

[Bennett Tanton]

There's an island there? Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And. And this is where he did the Amelantra workings, I believe, is where he did the Amalantra workings, where he ends up communicating with Lamb, which is where we get our first sort of alien gray visage. And I don't know, it's just like the connecting tissue there. Is this the. The Hudson, specifically. If you follow it all the way up, it'll bring you to Saratoga, obviously. Saratoga Springs, where everything is coming up out of the ground and then emptying out into the Hudson and then going down into the ocean. But I don't know. I just. New York is. I mean, even Cashman is from New York, and he's strange. So. I don't know. There's. There's something about. There's something about New York maybe. Don't. Don't spend too much time in isolation in upstate New York.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, yeah, right. Which. That's the thing. There's nothing. I mean, it's. It's the Adirondack Mountains or the Tug Hill Plateau, and it's country as it gets. I Mean. Oh yeah, Our, our number one radio station up here is a country station.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. It's rolling hills. Like if people think that it's, it's the south. But it's funny because you head north enough into New York and it becomes the south.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right? What? Or Canada.

[David Lee Corbo]

Or Canada. Right. Which is terrible. So America's situation.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah. So I, I basically when I was in the army, I was stationed at Fort Drum, which is in upstate New, like upstate, 28 miles from the Canadian border. And there's just some weird going on up there. I mean, you have the, when we talk about like ley lines and things like that target New York is a target rich environment for all that stuff, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

So there's a reason. I mean, I don't know what the reason is per se with Saratoga Springs, but that whole area, when you go into the Hudson River Valley and then up into Lake Champlain, there's a lot of cults, there's a lot of Zen monasteries and, or things that, that pop up on both sides of that, that valley, right. That runs from New York City all the way to Canada. So who the hell knows?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I mean, that's my, that was my speculation. It's like if Crowley saw fit to spend time in New York State, right, and do some of his, I'm sure what he would consider his most important works out there, then, then maybe there's something about, you know, you alluded to, like a ley line or something like that could well be something like that.

[Bennett Tanton]

You never know.

[David Lee Corbo]

New York State is a, is a creepy place. I wanted to ask you, what do you make of that idea that we talked about before, that Donald Trump is on the world stage, he's fighting with these deep staters, right? And we within the community of conspiracy are comfortable with the idea that elements within this deep state are of these royal bloodlines, right? Whether it's the Illuminati, which is kind of a broken and beat down terminology. I mean, it is a group that historically did exist. And I think like any group like the Masons or the OTO or the Illuminati, etcetera, There are degrees, pun intended, I suppose, where on the lower end, they don't know anything. These are just people that are at a, you know, the equivalency of like an elk's lodge to them. You know what I mean? And then obviously if you climb up this ladder, it gets more and more nefarious. Some say that the upper echelons of these secret societies are for they, they, once you reach them you're now eligible to be a part of something else. Right. It's like a, Almost like an initiation. And so you do have that, that conjoining tissue there where Donald Trump's family comes from. Bavaria, which is where the Illuminati escaped persecution from. They, they were birthed in Bavaria. And the Illuminati famously is allegedly made up of 13 royal bloodlines. And this theory has emerged that, yeah, we are watching this. This fight go on, but that does not make Trump a good guy. And I'm kind of of that school of thought, right? We, as, as human beings, we are so easily funneled into a binary. Red, blue. Yes, no, good guy, bad guy. So if we look at the deep state as bad guys and Donald Trump is in contention with them, then the. He must be a good guy. It's like, I don't think that you have to jump to that conclusion, so I find it compelling. Do you put any stock in that sort of an idea?

[Bennett Tanton]

Well, I kind of. There's so much predictive programming going on. Right. That this absolutely could be part of that. I mean, if you take it with this laconics of cult, in my opinion, just as we pertain to the book. The books and the Trump family, right. I mean, it's kind of like, and, and the fact that it didn't come out until 2017, it was rediscovered by who knows what. It's kind of like bitcoin, you know, you know, whatever his name is brought it, but nobody knows who that guy is. Right. So. So it could be intentional. I think so much with Donald Trump is intentionally placed as, like, a form of foreshadowing or. And it could be by secret societies for sure. You know, I, obviously, I, I head down that rabbit hole because I'm good at sticking my head into those things, you know, like an ostrich and then. But I haven't gone too deep into that because I want to be able to pull myself out. And, and it's like, that's kind of the whole idea of this podcast, right? Broadcasting seeds. So I, I, I get, I, I know enough in a lot of it just to be dangerous. But I, I mean, what you're saying to me, I totally, I totally buy it. Like, if you said, oh, this is actually the story, I'd be like, of course it is.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right? Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all. But that's the thing that I see right now as, as being a mistake that a lot of people are making. It's like, you see him fighting with these elements and that's a good thing, ultimately, because it's going to put us in a better place as a country. Although I think that this theater is kind of reaching this climax. And we're gonna see some shits.

[Bennett Tanton]

I mean. But I really dug into a lot of stuff with this, like, the Wharton connection.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, it's a big one.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm unfamiliar with that one.

[Bennett Tanton]

So, I mean, it's a. There's a. And I kind of forgot it because I discarded, like, came in and it went out because it wasn't.

[David Lee Corbo]

I. I only. I lose. I retain about 10 of what I learned. 90 of it goes out the window.

[Bennett Tanton]

So there was a guy. I can't even remember it. It's not enough for me to talk intelligently about it, but it had to do with the name Wharton. That was the last. You know. And the guy who started the Wharton school of business, where Donald Trump got his NBA. Right, right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting.

[Bennett Tanton]

There was a guy named Wharton who had something to do with these books. I'm trying to remember what it was. Damn it.

[David Lee Corbo]

What was the guy? There's. There's somebody that is Donald Trump's, like, mentor, and that's Roy Khan.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, Roy Khan.

[David Lee Corbo]

And there was something significant about him that.

[Bennett Tanton]

Well, Roy Khan is a shadowy. That's one of those guys that's like. Like behind. He. He's the guy that is behind the power. Right. He never really. Oh, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm getting an article here from the BBC titled Roy Khan, the mysterious Lewis, a u. S. Lawyer who. Who helped Donald Trump in his career. So he's kind of.

[Bennett Tanton]

And then Donald Trump all over him, basically. Roy cone, that's his name.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And there was something about Roy Cone's involvement in, like, a program or a society. I forget exactly how it goes, man. It was maybe his religion. Maybe that's what it was. What Roy Khan's denomination. I forget what he was.

[Bennett Tanton]

I mean, he. He did a lot of work with. God. Who's the. Who's the guy? Back in the. It's like J. Edgar Hoover days. But the commission. I have it right here with Joseph McCarthy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Former clients, including Bill Bonanno. Bonano. Mess that up. Son of Joseph Bonano. Credit him with having compromising photographs of the former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover.

[Bennett Tanton]

He kind of. He kind of comes off a little bit because he was connected to everybody as this, like, Epsteinish type thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. This is somebody who's involved in sexual blackmail.

[Bennett Tanton]

And he was. I think he was a homosexual as well, so. Because his partner. God, what was that book? His his partner ended up saying, so Donald Trump, like, gifted cone some cufflinks or something at the end of his life. And the partner came out a few years later, like, in the 80s, and said that they were fake. And, you know, there's just all these. There's all this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Apparently even the X Files has depicted Khan in an episode called the travelers, 1998. So whatever was going on with Roy Kahn, that's somebody that. That deserves a deep dive in the. The X Files. Saw fit to portray him in one way or another in an episode. That's fascinating.

[Bennett Tanton]

He also dated somebody in college. H. Somebody famous. Like, reporter famous. Like, huge reporter. Female, though.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting.

[Bennett Tanton]

What's her name?

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know. I'm on the wick.

[Bennett Tanton]

Barbara Walters dated Barbara Walter in college.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah. There it is. Yep.

[Top Lobster]

That's odd.

[Bennett Tanton]

But, I mean, there's. He was a sexual deviant to an extent as well, from what I understand.

[David Lee Corbo]

So it's fascinating that he's got a mentor in this guy. And this is a dude that's associated with, you know, a really early version of an Epstein sexual blackmail operation.

[Bennett Tanton]

Do you guys know Heidi Love?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, Heidi is. Is actually. I think she's gonna be on our Sunday episode of Sunday Share.

[Bennett Tanton]

Ask her about Cone. She.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've heard a lot about him, but retained.

[Bennett Tanton]

But she's got. She's got a. I don't know if she has a whole presentation on it, but she definitely has the connection, like, political connections, too, but also to the Mormon Church as well, with him. Interesting. So, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I got that whole thing you were talking. All right, so. So in 1984, cone, or Cone, diagnosed with AIDS, and he attempted to keep his condition secret while receiving the experimental drug treatment azt. Right. Yeah. And he dies. He ends up dying of aids. And then. Yeah, if you go down here, one of the things that the IRS did not seize after he passed away was a pair of knockoff diamond cufflinks given to him.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, so. So, yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, but you're. There's some shady going on with. With you. If you started your career dealing with, like, J. Edgar Hoover and you ended up with, like, Donald Trump. Come on, bro. Yeah, there's some crazy that from A to B there.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then you died of aids.

[Bennett Tanton]

I mean, and then you died of AIDS and. And dated Barbara Walters in college and all the things. Right? So, I mean. Yeah, I. So at the very least, regardless of what Donald Trump represents in all of this, with these books and whatnot, some of his business associates, as we know. And it's not like Khan was a cone. Was a. Was like a, you know, some. Some like, passing thing. Like he was in it with him. So, I mean, he was a very influential figure in his life. So. Yeah, man, it's.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. The rabbit hole with these people is now ending. You can continue to dig. It's like, I feel like what we've done with this episode, like, we were like, let's talk about the Ingersoll Aqua books. And we've expanded upon so many different trails. I. I wonder if. If the trails are meant to confuse or mislead you or if things just get messy after a while. And.

[Bennett Tanton]

And that's the other side of this. Like, I brought up that I thought, you know what I think these books are, and I also think they're just a giant distraction to get people. Look it over here, you know, shiny object syndrome. Yeah. And I think if you probably figured it out, maybe, and this is just my conjecture, is that the QAnon movement somehow found this, figured it out, or maybe, I don't know, somebody dug deep and found this and went, oh, we can use this. So it's psychological operations. I, you know, like I said, I spent plenty of time in the military and special operations, and this is that we would do. You know, I'm not. I'm not a fed anymore, but at the end of the day. Yeah, no, Right. I got out of it, and now I'm my own boss. But at the end of the day, I mean, I still have ties to certain things because of contracts and whatnot, but at the end of the day, you don't go into doing what we're doing now and looking to get richer, looking to, you know, make friends, because I'm sure hell not. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I've been told by quite a few people that, you know, basically what I'm doing is not conducive to making money. And I was like, well, we'll figure that out later.

[Bennett Tanton]

Well, at the end of the day, too, I'm. I'm. You're probably similar in the fact that I. I didn't. So I've been in the podcast game for about 10 years total since 2014. And I, you know, would do, like, veteran entrepreneurial podcasts, plus, you know, other things, two of those podcasts and whatnot, which still live on YouTube. But at the end of the day, I. I'm driven to do this. Like, it's. It's as though I was called because I'm. I'm a Christian. At the end of the day and something woke up in me one day and was like, you need to dig into this. Right. And that's what I'm doing. And it's not just conspiracies. It's everything I do. I go through the whole Cryptid, you know, game with Bigfoot. Like get Bigfoot was my gateway drug into this whole thing right back when I was like 12 and, and or Norris mythology for some reason I was huge. I just loved it when I was young. And. And so I'm you know, consistently add with this man and. And I just write down, I have. I have books of just notes because otherwise I'll forget all that.

[Top Lobster]

Have you had any experiences, any cryptid experiences living out there?

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, yeah, I've had re. Well, all right. So they're not like direct sightings, but I did see silhouettes twice. One was when I was on mission doing drug interdiction missions for. For the military up in Alaska. And then another time was when I was young. That was my first experience. I was in the Boy Scouts. And we. I. The way I like to say it is that we got bluff charged by something and it was gigantic and terrifying. It was me and two other kids. But then the same type of incident happened in. In Alaska in a national forest where the cartels get up in there and on national forest land and they grow weed. Or at least back in the 90s they would. Yeah, all the way up in Alaska. Because you got to think during the summer it's a 24 hour growing cycle because it. The sun never really goes down.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Bennett Tanton]

And it does get decently warm. You know, I mean it's not like, you know, summer, but it's. It's warm enough to. If you fertilize and do the right it you'll grow wheat. We did some of that stuff in California too where we definitely had rocks being thrown at us by something.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that would have been upstate California because I hear that a lot coming.

[Bennett Tanton]

No, it was actually. It was in what's called the lost Padres National Forest. And we were staying on Vandenberg Air Force Base, which is a shady ass place.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting. So you got national forest and military base.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yes. So. But we were part. We. We were in the Marine Corps, so we had Marines doing the on the ground work. You had the air or the army provided helicopters and pilots and the Air Force provided the billeting and where we stayed in and ate and it's part of what's called. Which still exists. It's part of Joint Task force six. Who knew I'd go down this rabbit hole, but it was part of joint Task Force 6, which still, if you Google it, it's still part of what's called Northcom now. And it's frankly borderline posse comitatus going on there because we were aiding local and federal law enforcement and going in and burning down pot plants and. And mobile.

[David Lee Corbo]

You were doing that? You were burning down pot fields.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, and mobile math labs. So we dealt. We dealt with some of that. So it was like straight out of an episode of Breaking Bad. Oh, that's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

So that's wild.

[Bennett Tanton]

So, yeah, so we were doing that, and in. In amongst all that, we get these two separate cryptid type encounters. And then since then, I've become, I guess you would call it, a Bigfoot researcher. And I've done a bunch of stuff in National Forest. Yeah. Through up in national forests, which are shady as freaking hell. That's a whole nother episode, though. And actually I did an episode with your guys. You know him as well as Brad Lail.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

About the Awakened podcast.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

About national forest and just like stairways that go to nowhere and. Yeah, all this stuff. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

So we heard a story recently.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, David, go ahead, tell the story.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, so basically this was just somebody that was talking about finding a stairway in the middle of Kentucky. I think it was a national forest and it was right near Mammoth Cave.

[Bennett Tanton]

Oh, I'm sure. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. And so I think after this guy climbed to the top of this stairwell, he's out there with his kids and he's. He's just kind of having fun. Right. I mean, what the hell? I would be so hard pressed, dude, to not. I mean, knowing what I know now, I wouldn't do it, but if I was out in the forest and I saw it, I'd be like, oh, I gotta climb this. And so I think he starts dealing with. With schizophrenia afterwards, you know, which we believe is. Is. Is demonic oppression or influence.

[Bennett Tanton]

Oh, I have a story about that too. So.

[David Lee Corbo]

But I mean, that's just the end of the story. He ends up carrying this thing with him. But it's. It's interesting because Mammoth Cave system connects to all of this massive cave system that stretches through the Appalachias and then it heads west into, like, Indiana and Illinois and such. And it's. It is the topic of a subject that we are diving into. And it's this idea that there are. Are a fair amount of testimonies coming out of this area, specifically southern Indiana, where these people are interacting with, with some Sort of entity that is claiming to be ball or lord. It seems to be underground. So the lord of the underworld and he's recruiting them in a dreamscape kind of a situation.

[Bennett Tanton]

Throne room.

[David Lee Corbo]

Exactly, exactly. So to me, when you go like, yeah, I found a stairwell in the, in the forest in Kentucky, near Mammoth Cave. And I climbed the top of it. Now I'm hearing voices. I'm like, yeah, dog, you probably shouldn't have done that. That's about the area that, that all of this is concentrated in. So fascinating whatever the hell's going on over there.

[Bennett Tanton]

So I worked so military, Marine Corps. Then I was in the Army. It's. It's all a story. But I went from the Marine Corps, got out, was a cop, not built to be a cop. Then I went to the Army. Like I said, I was stationed here in New York. That's where I met my wife. And all the has gone down. And then I got out of that and I, I became an Air Force civilian working anti terrorism work. After that though, I got to a point where I just couldn't carry a gun anymore. Couldn't do it for a living. I just couldn't. Now that doesn't mean I don't carry a gun as on a personal level. But for a job, I just couldn't do that anymore. So I went and started working for the VA and I became a peer support specialist, which is just a low level mental health worker. Well, after I worked like in vocational rehab and some like that, I moved over to a. An area called the Psychosocial Rehab and Rehabilitation. Rehabilitation and Recovery center, which I'm dealing with the worst of the worst mental illness in the military. And it's all schizophrenics. Bipolar one, bipolar two, all, you know, you name it, it's there. Right? And I'm telling you unequivocally because. Who's the guy? The. Jerry Marzinski, Is that who it is?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's it.

[Bennett Tanton]

He has hit the nail on the head with this because I'm telling you, there's plenty of folks, mainly schizophrenics, they would not come into my office because I had religious paraphernalia in there. They would not step foot into my freaking office.

[David Lee Corbo]

Have you ever heard the way that the medical industry dismisses that? It's just like. Well, it's, it's delusions and it's hallucinations. So of course the delusions and hallucinations are going to be relevant to whatever the dichotomy that the person who's subjected to them is under. And so if they happen to have religious proclivities, then of course, yeah, you know, and I'm like, it's so much easier to just be like, these are demons, dog.

[Bennett Tanton]

I mean, let's be honest, it's all kind of a pseudoscience anyway. They won't admit it, but it really is.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it's all based off of a unverifiable chemical imbalance in the brain.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right. So at the end of the day, how is it that this medication supposedly makes it better, but yet it doesn't. Right. So off it. Anyway, so I totally believe in that. That it's a. It's demonic possession. Maybe not all the time, but a lot of the time there's just shady. And these people that they do and come up with some that just like humans aren't. They shouldn't be capable of. So just saying.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

I don't know where the. I was going with that, but.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I mean, you know, this is what happens often is, is when you touch on these subjects, they all interconnect, which is funny because they're either outright dismissed by the average person or they are. You're dissuaded from looking at them by, let's say, like the medical apparatus or the, the, the intellectual institutions. Right. Like the, our school systems and things. Like, they don't promote looking at these sorts of things. And it's funny because the very things that they dissuade you from looking at all connect, which is why these conversations all always end up branching off into the craziest shit.

[Bennett Tanton]

Exactly. Which I'm just a big proponent of the fact that in the saying goes, you know, history doesn't repeat itself. It rhymes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. You said earlier that part of the reason you suspect this is happening is because of the nature of history rhyming. It almost does feel like it's. Yeah, it's fractal. It's like corkscrewing up and down. And when you make a revolution, you're going to. You're not going to pass over the same spot. You're going to be in a different place, maybe a little bit higher, but it's going to look a lot like the, the level before or the, you.

[Bennett Tanton]

Know, and let's be honest, I mean, we're. Human nature is to connect dots.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Bennett Tanton]

And, and, and so that when you start taking like this seriously and start looking, you're gonna be able to connect all those dots. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And on that topic too, there are people who look at what we do as A negative thing in the sense of the toll that it takes on your psychology, you know, or they'll accuse you of black pilling. It's like, I don't know about you, but the more I look at these things, the more I'm solidified in my opinion that, that God is real, that this experience is special, that the spiritual realm is real. And the more you go down that path, the more I, I arrive at a place where, when I look at the Bible and it tells you however many times, hundreds of times to fear not. I get it. I get it. Because this is not something to be afraid of. If anything, it should, it should bring you almost joy. It kind of does bring me joy because it's constantly evidence. It's. It's breadcrumbs and fingerprints that God leaves.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, like I said, I wouldn't be doing this stuff if it wasn't forgot. I mean, man, I. Even this morning, for example, I get woken up out of a dead sleep between three and four every morning. So like this morning I got woken up at 3:33. It's literally like a scene out of the Exorcist show. What is that? The, the exorcism of Emily Rose. You know, but I'm not getting attacked by demons or, or. But at the end of the day I, I get up now and I pray because there's, there's, there's nature or there's evidence. Behind that too is being what's called the fourth watch. And that's when the veil is very thin. And you, you know, I, I have certain prayers that I say at that time. And I'll tell you what, I'm, I don't, I don't deal with a lot of bullshit anymore from the outside because I'm asking for freaking. I mean, because the, the I'm digging through and whatnot. Man, I, I started. Sorry. If you allow me to tell you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Go ahead.

[Bennett Tanton]

Dealing with Lilith.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, interesting.

[Top Lobster]

Dude, we gotta have you, we have to have you back on specifically for this. I feel like it was a waste talking about Donald Trump.

[Bennett Tanton]

Well, I mean, yes and no. It, but it's one of those things like I would like to put a pin in this. I mean, I'm making money off YouTube. I'm not gonna lie. Bottom line. But it's like one of my worst episodes. So what the. Does that say to you?

[David Lee Corbo]

What, a Lilith episode?

[Bennett Tanton]

No, no, the, the Ingersoll Lockwood episode. I think it's one of my worst episodes. If you listen to it. It's all like, riddled with arc, you know, just. And. And I. It was not a good script that I wrote. It was nonsense. I just kept looping. Right. And.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, you know, because.

[Bennett Tanton]

Because there's not that much meat on this bone.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it also. There's no exit. There's no, like. And here's the definitive point. That's what.

[Bennett Tanton]

That really pisses people off. It really does. Because I get so much hate on freaking YouTube about it.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like, what are we doing? We're not here to bring you answers, to present you questions.

[Bennett Tanton]

So. Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

Correct. So either way.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Bennett Tanton]

So I am literally watching. So I was working on research for. I can't remember what show, but I had YouTube on in the background, and it was. It was. Now, it could have been, like, impressed upon me because I was watching the confessionals, and it was an episode with. I think it's Jason from Appalachian Intelligence, and he is. Was talking about Lilith. And I was like, what the. But here's the thing. I wasn't watching that when I fell asleep. I fell asleep on the couch. But when I woke up, that's the episode that was on because, you know, YouTube will cycle. Yeah. To the next thing. So I can't remember. But it was the confessionals. When I woke up, though, there's this episode with Lilith right now. I had a up. Childhood abuse, all these things. And I've had a really weird relationship with women my entire life. Not like, just, you know, not the best single mother. You know, all the. All the. That happens when you don't have a father involved in your life. Right. Let's. Let's. You guys kind of probably can figure out what I'm talking about. So at the end of the day, this pops on and I hear out of the out. All of a sudden I get up and I'm like, I'm gonna. It's. It's right around midnight, and I'm, like, going to grab water, and then I'm gonna go to bed. Well, where I live, we have like a. I live in the suburbs, but we have big open space behind our house. It's all woods. And I've lived here about four, five years now, and not once have I ever heard an owl hoot. But I get in front of the door out to this deck where it's just woods behind us, and I hear this owl start hooting. And for some reason, something in me clicked that this was Lilith or this was a whatever. So I come running out the door onto my deck, and I start rebuking this thing. Well, as soon as I did that, it lost its mind and literally was screeching and scream. It sounded like, like something screaming. Scared the out of me. But I kept rebuking it. And you could feel. I could feel it. Now I had a near death experience when I was in the marines and ever since then I've been very sensitive to things. I also see auras on people. I'm gonna tell you guys that most people think I'm crazy, but whatever.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, you're not the first person to tell us.

[Bennett Tanton]

No, exactly. So. So at the end of the day, I can feel this thing retreating. And then calmly I went back in, said the Lord's Prayer all the. And I went to bed. Well, I woke up. I got woken up that night at 3:49am to literally I feel like being sexually assaulted in my dreams.

[David Lee Corbo]

Wow.

[Bennett Tanton]

By this Lilith. Look at it literally looked like the girl from the ring. You know what I'm talking about? That.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

Like a white shift though. And literally. Now this is a theme throughout my life, life where I've been. It's kind of a recurring dream that's happened right. Throughout probably my adult life. And I don't know what to think of it. And I, you know, I haven't analyzed that much of it, but I know that this is Lilith. I just know it. I can feel it. I wake up and I rebuke the whole thing. I bless like, I bless like my whole house at this point, right. But then I go downstairs again to grab more water and don't I hear this owl start hooting again in the middle of the night, Right. Just crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, wait, get the hell out of here.

[Bennett Tanton]

I left a very important part out. So that wasn't the next night. There wasn't the same night that was two nights later. But the, the morning after the first incident. Right, Go back, everyone. I'm sorry, rewind. I have a smoker because I like to smoke meat. Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Nice.

[Bennett Tanton]

And either way, I had smoked meat that day and I left the. Because, you know, you gotta let the thing cool down. And I went out in the morning at 8 in the morning, bright as sun's out, putting the smoker back on. I'm listening to the rest of that episode on my phone. So, you know, you have the speaker going on the phone and I put it down on. I have a Blackstone back there too that I set it on and I'm listening to it and I hear the owl hoot at 8:30 in the morning. Like here I Am. I'm not gone.

[David Lee Corbo]

They're nocturnal though. That's it. That, exactly.

[Bennett Tanton]

So I kind of lost my. I was like, oh. And you know, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm not. But I'm, I'm feeling militant at this point. Like I'm gonna go to spiritual war with this thing and. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Get rid of this owl, dude.

[Bennett Tanton]

So then that two nights later, that's when I had the sexual assault from Lilith.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's not a question even a little bit, dude. No, I mean, that's all feels so connected.

[Bennett Tanton]

Oh, dude. And then I went down, downstairs again and I hear it hoot again. So I heard the, the owl. This is the third time in two days, three days. And so I did the rebuking part again. The very same response. Like just like pissed off and whatever. And from that point on, I like anointed my house and I, I went.

[Top Lobster]

Were you, when you were rebuking it, were you screaming into the woods or were you just like rebuking it? Like.

[Bennett Tanton]

No, I was yelling into the woods.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

Neighbors.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, I don't care. But you know, they're used to weird happening over here anyway.

[David Lee Corbo]

She's like, dude brings us smoked meat sometimes. It's delicious. But also.

[Bennett Tanton]

Right. Screams on his porch and smoked meat.

[David Lee Corbo]

Honestly, I'm willing, I'm. There's a lot that I'm willing to allow my neighbors to do if they bring me smoked meat. That there's a lot that I'm allowing them to. To. To do.

[Bennett Tanton]

So. Yeah. So then I literally go and I dive deep into the spiritual side of all this. And because I was a, I'm a Christian, but I, you know, it's like a fake ass religious part of it. Like I, I never really went all in on the supernatural stuff and all the things and.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, until it happens to you.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah, so. And then it did. And so I really started digging into where I had open doors. Like where. You know what I mean? And David, I know you've had this go down. So I, I went through and I took a, you know, I literally took a inventory of my life and all the up that I had done and all the things and asked for forgiveness and asked for, you know, all the things. And then I did went through a couple rounds of prayers to like, you know, I, at one point I was amazed. You know, I went through like the first degree of masonry that's opening doors like crazy, you know, and, and you're pledging yourself to up. So I shut all those doors and ever since I did all that stuff and I did a. Basically like a Lilith type, you know, cleansing, I guess, is what you would say. And since then. Since then, nothing.

[David Lee Corbo]

There you go.

[Bennett Tanton]

And I don't have. Okay, so with all this being said, I got woken up at 3:49. So I even dug into what that is. And that's. If you read the Bible, 3 Genesis 3:49. It's kind of crazy. Sorry. Get it?

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm.

[Top Lobster]

I'm pulling it up right now as well. Let's see what that says.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, was it Genesis 3:4,9?

[Bennett Tanton]

Genesis 3, verses 4 through 9.

[Top Lobster]

Ah. And the serpent said unto the woman, ye shall not surely die, for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was pleasant to. To the eyes, and the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof and did eat, eat. And gave also unto her husband with her, and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were open, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons. And they heard a voice of the Lord God walk in the garden in the cool of day. And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden. And the Lord God called into Adam and said, where Arthur art thou? Yeah, this is the. This is the story of original sin.

[Bennett Tanton]

Yeah. And it's the, you know, female empowerment, all the things. Right. To the extent. Well, so I went through this and I had a conversation. Well, you guys know him, Doc Brown? Oh, yeah. And his blew my mind. I also talked to Ed about this stuff too, and they have kind of contradictory things, but either way, the fact that, that this verse was part of that whole experience kind of. Of, I don't know, made my head explode a little bit.

[David Lee Corbo]

And that, to me is that's like when God has a way of, like, talking to you and nudging you, and it's through these, like, he's. He's not very loud. He'll say things, and if you're paying attention, then you get to see them.

[Bennett Tanton]

So then I started really paying attention. And since I've done that, it's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, so I'd love to. To have you back on and talk about this whole. Because I'm sure when something like that happens to you, you start digging, you know, like, what the hell is this? Right. To understand that Symbolism between the owl and Lilith and all these different things. And, and, and yeah, I wrote.

[Bennett Tanton]

I wrote an article, actually. I did a podcast episode on it as well. But that was like, way better to me than this Ingersoll Lockwood.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I mean, I'm glad that we talked about the Ingersoll Lockwood. No, I am too, because it's. It's something that comes up constantly in this conversation. But, you know, there are nuances that need to be hashed out. And I'm glad that we did this, but we'd love to have you back to talk about some of those more spiritual experiences because that's kind of our bread and butter.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, we. We actually have. We have Austin Picard literally waiting in the next room. We have scheduled ourselves into oblivion. We're back at 12 noon and then we have another show at 2pm because we're running. This is a whole, whole day of shows here. So if you're a fan of the show, I mean, good for you if you're doing the show.

[Bennett Tanton]

Me, I guess, because before you, I was interviewing Justin England from Cryptids of the Corn.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, we love.

[Top Lobster]

I want to get him back on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Bennett Tanton]

And. And later today I've got three episodes. Five, seven, nine. I get it. I get it.

[David Lee Corbo]

There you go, man. You gotta get into it.

[Bennett Tanton]

The. The struggle is real.

[David Lee Corbo]

The people need to know. The people need to know. We don't have answers for you to know, but we have questions. The people needs to be plant these.

[Bennett Tanton]

Seeds in your mind.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's it. That's it. All right. So one more time. Ben is a wonderful conversation and we appreciate you being on the show.

[Bennett Tanton]

Where can people find you at Broadcasting Seeds? You can just put it into the Google machine and it'll take you anywhere. I mean, broadcasting seeds.com is going to take you to my podbean page there, which I hate and I'm changing it, but either way, their YouTube rumble all the places.

[David Lee Corbo]

So awesome. Awesome, guys. Go and support Bennett and his work if you enjoyed what you heard here today. And I guess that's it. Do we have anything else top until.

[Top Lobster]

We see you in five minutes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Four minutes.

[Top Lobster]

Don't forget. Yes. Don't forget to obey, submit and comply. Bye. I'll see you guys in a bit. Bye.

[David Lee Corbo]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.

[Bennett Tanton]

A oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade it that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll lack in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.