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133: Bizarre World of Raëlism w/ The Whole Rabbit
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Welcome back to Nephilim Death Squad! In this mind-bending episode, hosts David Lee Corbo (The Raven) and Top Lobster are joined by Luke Madrid, host of The Whole Rabbit Podcast, for a wild ride through conspiracy, cults, and cosmic mysteries. What...
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Luke Madrid
Productions. We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely.
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David Lee Corbeau
Oh yeah, dude, Nephilim.
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Top Lobster
It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happens to the home of the brave. Finally.
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David Lee Corbeau
Too late.
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Top Lobster
We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of the year. Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbeau, AKA the Raven, that is top lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, I would like to remind all of the live viewers that this is a 30 minute preview only. Sometime around the 30 minute mark, we'll be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad where you can sign up for free for a little bit limited amount of time. Excuse me, limited. You can do a seven day free trial. You can even watch our content if you sign up for the free tier. Basically what we're trying to do is just get you in the door and tempt you so that you throw some money at us and stick around. So use it to Your benefit, guys. Patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad gain early access to episodes, enjoy an ad free viewing experience and contribute in the chat. Joining us today is Luke Madrid. Luke, for the people who might not be from familiar with you, where can they find your work and what is it that you focus on?
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Luke Madrid
Hey guys, thanks for having me on the show. My name is Luke. I'm the host and creator of the whole Rabbit podcast. You can find us pretty much anywhere. Spotify is our most popular platform. You can find us on Buzzsprout, Apple, pretty much wherever podcasts are served.
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David Lee Corbeau
Awesome. Yeah, I see you have a YouTube page as well and in Instagram here. So yeah, go give these guys a follow. Check him out. He's. It's you and two other people. I the reason that you're on the show today is I was scrolling through Twitter as I do and I for I don't even know what the. What the exact post was but it had something to do with the railing co and really in cult and you popped out of nowhere. You're like dude did a deep dive on this. Check this out. So I skim through It. And I'm like, all right, like, this is. This is very interesting stuff for the show. I had watched a Netflix documentary, and I know you told me to watch another documentary, but I just. I didn't have time to go check it out. And the Netflix documentary painted these people in poor light if. Yeah. To say the least.
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Top Lobster
So I figured not. I was only peripherally aware of Raelians or the Raelian cult because of the Kanye tweet. And maybe we should bring the. The symbol up here just to show people. This was actually the. The last thing that he tweeted before he got suspended, I believe. Isn't that correct, Top? Yeah, yeah. This was. This was something that. Okay, great. So I've got it pulled up here. I just want to show the people before we get Luke's.
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David Lee Corbeau
What we're. What we're getting into here?
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Top Lobster
Yeah, what we're getting into here is. Is a wild. Here, let's add this to the stage. So this is the symbol, specifically the one on the far left. That is what Kanye posted. And it's jarring because, you know, to the layman, you're. It's a. It's an unholy mashup of a swastika. And. And the Star of David, let's just use the. The conventional terminology here instead of getting in the weeds. So two things that seem completely polar opposite. And I guess when you. When you put them together like that, it ruffles some feathers. So that is my knowledge on it. I'm excited to hear where we're going today, Luke.
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Luke Madrid
Well, that's where the story starts for me, because that was the world's introduction to Rayleighism was the symbol that Kanye posted. But what I thought was interesting was that nobody brought up really ism. They were just like, swastika Star David. You put those two together, it's all bad. And then they banned him off of Twitter. Right. And I thought, okay, there's all these conspiracy theories around Kanye West. We know that his. It can be assumed he had a handler. Right. Harvey Pasternick, he got those text messages which were like, hey, you need to get in line, otherwise we're going to put you in La La Land forever. And so there's all these, we're going.
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Top Lobster
To drug you into oblivion and you'll never see your kids again. I think something. Something like that, I'm paraphrasing.
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Luke Madrid
Right. So it leaves you to speculate. Is there some sort of confession he's trying to make or is he just being inflammatory? Knowing Kanye, he's probably just being inflammatory, but there's a possibility. And this is what caused me to look into it. I was like, is there something he's trying to tell us? So he shows us this Rayleighism symbol and you go look over in Raleyism, and they're a UFO sex cult. And they're quite successful, too. That caught me off guard. A lot of these cults that start off and get a big following, they usually burn out or they kill themselves or they do something crazy. But this guy has been around for a long time. It's not like Scientology successful, but he's got followers on almost every continent. I think he's big in Africa right now. And it makes you wonder, does he have some sort of connection to Illuminati cloning? Because there's all this talk in the conspiracy sphere, do celebrities have clones? If they step out of line, can they be replaced by their clone? Etc. And a lot of people speculate that Kanye is now a clone because we all heard Jesus is king and then his next album is like straight porno core. What happened? Did they swap him out?
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Top Lobster
Well, I mean, we. There's a. There's a quote that I've been throwing around quite irresponsibly because I haven't verified it. It's just something that I remember, you know, peripherally. But that's kind of what I do on this show, is just regurgitate that I've not verified. And I have this memory of Kanye west saying something to the effect of if I go away for a while and I come back, it's not me. And I could be paraphrasing that. I'm not going to verify it. I'm just going to take that as gospel and go ahead and spread it. And so if. If that is true at all, then those things in conjunction. Yeah, they start to paint that picture. Also worth mentioning, around the time that we were heavily speculating whether or not Kanye was cloned, we had Jamie Foxx who was also going through this kind of weird, you know, maybe he was vaccine injured, something like that. People started to speculate that the real Jamie Foxx actually died in the hospital and that he was cloned. And what ends up happening is at the same time, he stars in a film called they Clone Tyrone, where him, he, himself, his character, plus a plethora of other characters in the film all have clones in these underground facilities. So, yeah, I mean, you certainly can't dismiss people for speculating on the clone because we just got whacked with it.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, I I have never really been too big into the clone thing and I thought that this would be a good place for me to dive into it. There's that movie us where like the government is keeping all of these clones underground and for what clandestine purpose? We can only know like who was actually president like those last few months, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, why did Biden get suddenly way taller? What is that all about? I mean, there's also face masks, but.
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Top Lobster
No, but we've been getting a lot of that. We've been getting saturated with the cloning thing in the conspiracy community over the past, I don't know, a couple of years.
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David Lee Corbeau
Well, it's, it's not just cloning. I mean, recently Donald Trump is proposing some kind of like legislation for the government to support ivf. And I've been, I've been like all over this thing. Ivf, I think is, I think it could be, it's akin to coning, to cloning where they have like the genetic material of, you know, the mother and the father and they actually have the egg and most of the time it's a fertilized egg. So if they're going to pay for your IVF treatments, who's going to pay for the storage? I assume also the government. So now they're just owning these, these like fully fertilized human beings. At what point did they just go, we're going to do whatever we want with them or do a little switcheroo?
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Luke Madrid
You know, it's riding that line where can you make people into products? Can you make somebody's DNA intellectual property? We know that there's some precedent for that with Monsanto turning their genetics into intellectual property. So some of their corn blows into your corn. Now they own your corn.
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Top Lobster
Hmm. You know, that whole IVF cloning facilities, things of that nature, seems like a really great solution for the elites who occasionally get popped in this kind of human trafficking scandal or this baby farming scandal. It brings to mind this character called John of God who ran a, I guess a non profit organization for battered women, I believe it was. And he was blowing up because he was a regular on Oprah's show. And she had a tie into his organization, she promoted it, she supported it. And so he became one of the biggest, you know, I guess, whatever charity foundations for battered women's, if that was actually the, the case. But in the end he gets exposed for having a baby farm. So he's got a bunch of pregnant teenagers on his property and he, they're, they're getting pregnant they're having babies, he's selling the babies, and so he ends up going to prison. Man, what a. A much better operation from their perspective, if you don't have to have, like, the women in there and they're. They're crying and, you know, you got to feed them and stuff, and they're nagging and complaining. If you could just get rid of that and have a bunch of test tube babies, cut out the woman, and then just start, you know, fertilizing eggs in a lab somewhere, that. That's, you know, a much more. As far as streamlining an operation goes, I would call that streamline.
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David Lee Corbeau
Okay, I'm going to wildly speculate here before we get into any of the Raelian stuff, let's talk about Elon Musk.
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Luke Madrid
A deep rabbit hole, though. You just opened it up, you know.
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David Lee Corbeau
Like, I'm gonna go down the whole. The whole rabbit today. Okay. Love the name, by the way. Okay. Elon Musk. I will just say this right now. I don't think he's having. I don't think he's. These girls.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbeau
What? It feels like a genetic breeding program. We know he's used IVF in the past with his wife. He. Is this a lot. This is live. Yeah, this is. We're always live. Come on, Jerry.
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Top Lobster
How I show the people that we're. We're live. I bring up their insulting.
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Luke Madrid
You don't think he's humping these ladies?
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Top Lobster
You think he's just. No, I don't think he is either. Not with that cybertruck body that breathing heavy on top of them.
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David Lee Corbeau
Okay, so he's.
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Luke Madrid
Money is, you know, very attractive to some people.
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David Lee Corbeau
No, no, I get it.
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Luke Madrid
You really don't think he's humping these ladies. You really think he's, like, putting.
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Top Lobster
I think what Top is saying is he simply doesn't have time to come. I just don't think he has time to come. He's not got, you know, he's. He's a man with a lot. Every.
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David Lee Corbeau
Everybody has time to come. Yes. So he's not even playing Diablo. He's not running any of these companies. He's not. Any of these women. His. His first wife. He had twins and triplets with his first wife. The first baby was naturally conceived and born and died at 10 months. After that, he said, we're going to do this crisper thing and do this genetically. Yeah. You can look this up. This is all information that's out there. Then there's a. There's another woman who was his secretary. Or some of some type. They didn't even have a romantic, romantic relationship. But the verbiage that's used is something to the effect of like, they entered into contract and then she had his child. I don't know what that means.
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Top Lobster
That's what I tell my wife every time I'm. I'm like, you want to enter into contract? Let's go. Like, if the kid's out, you know, he's out playing or he's over a babysitter's house. I go, you trying to fudgeing enter into a contract. And that's how we. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, maybe there is some room for romance in Elon's life if he's using that language.
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David Lee Corbeau
And he, he seems to have like a type. I don't, and I don't know, it's like this skinny, kind of weird looking Grimes lady. So with the Latest one, Ashley St Clair, she's another one. I don't believe a word she says. I know that she definitely probably is a little bit promiscuous, but I just get the feeling that, like, there was no real romantic relationship there. It just feels like he's spreading his seed throughout the kingdom. And he's, he's very, he's obsessed with, like, having babies. He's constantly mentioned this idea about Americans are not having enough babies. We need to, you know, spread our wings, so to say. So this is my accusation. I pair that with the fact that, you know, Kanye was on Twitter just saying all kinds of wild shit, but he posts that symbol and that's what does it. He's posted hardcore porn.
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Luke Madrid
He.
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David Lee Corbeau
He's done a number of things that I would think would have violated the terms of service. But that symbol was the last straw for Elon Musk.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbeau
And then you go into what it is, and that's why, that's why I called you here today.
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Luke Madrid
Well, that's interesting. You would bring up his prolific baby making and like, how he cheerleads it. You know, he would tell you it's about birth rates, we need to assure the survival of humanity and all this stuff. But you make an interesting point. Like when I put the notes that I compiled for Rayleighism through Grok, you know, to help me make some bullet points. It kept coming back to like, oh, that's so crazy. Elon Musk isn't cloning anybody. He's not really so silly. It's like he, it kept like being like, yeah, that's just really ism, like puffing up its feathers. Elon Musk isn't a clone, you know, it kept trying to, like, correct me on that.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, well, because you're. You're asking Ultron, you know, essentially something about. Or maybe better, you're asking Vision, if there's something wrong with Tony Stark. You know, by the way, Tony Stark combats his own version of population control right? In. In the form of Thanos doing the snap, killing half the population, you know, bringing balance. And Tony Stark is the guy to ultimately combat that. Also based off of Elon Musk character, or at least that's what they said they modeled Tony Stark after, which doesn't make any sense if you look at him, because he's charismatic and entertaining and not strange at all, whereas Elon Musk is a bizarre character. But, Luke, what? What? I mean, what the hell? Let's start with what is, because I want to know what is really Raelianism.
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Luke Madrid
Well, I think it's interesting that you brought up, like, I have to pull together a few threads. The reason I asked you to watch the Vice documentary is it connects to our deeper conversation here because the Vice documentary was so over the plate for rail. It was such an easy hit piece. Like, there was nothing incriminating, there was nothing bad about Raylism in that whole documentary. And the whole film crew almost seemed like they were totally sympathetic. And it makes you wonder why. I have a theory that these groups that provide product for the human traffickers, essentially, they're kind of like in this network. And it seems reasonable to suspect that perhaps RAIL is connected to that network. Sorry, what was your question? I. I just wanted to address that because, like, why was the Vice documentary so nice to them? They're covering for something.
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Top Lobster
That's often what happens. You'll get a documentary on either Netflix or Vice or something like that. One of them, at least one of them, is going to play damage control. We saw that with the Epstein documentary on Netflix, where they basically said Epstein is evil mastermind and made you kind of feel like maybe Ghislaine Maxwell was a not so willing participant in all of this, when clearly given her father and Mossad ties, that's. That's not the case. But the question was, what in the hell is Railinism? Because I don't. I don't know even a little bit.
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Luke Madrid
Okay, so from the very beginning, I just had to spoil the end, right? So from the very beginning, you have this guy named Claude Voglion, and he popped out in Diamet, France in the middle of World War II. He's born to a woman Named Colette. And here's the thing. Colette's a nice woman, but it's in the middle of the war, and she shacks up with a mystery guy. A lot of people think it was a wealthy Jewish wood industrialist. Like Timber, right? And they have to keep it secret. She gives birth. Nobody knows who the father is. And this mystery dad bankrolls him all through school. Now, at some point, Claude's always getting picked on. He's like this. This little nerd kid. But at some point in school, they do this go kart race. And he's amazing at racing cars. So he decides that he wants to be a race car driver. He even gets into, like, doing folk music. And this is the. This is the thing that strangely connects that to our bigger story about the Illuminati. Basically, at age 16, his rich industrialist father that's funding his school dies, and he leaves for Paris, and he gets involved in the music industry. And he does this through meeting a guy named Claude Celler. And he cranks out five albums. They're sort of catchy. They're not really that good. They're not really that bad. And he imagines being, like, the biggest music star in France. But at some point, oh, sorry, I messed up. I messed up. The guy's name, He. Claude. Goes by the name Claude Seller. If you want to look him up, you can find some of his albums. His manager was Lucien Maurice. And he ends up killing himself.
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Top Lobster
His manager?
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, his manager ends up killing himself. And at that point, Claude decides, well, I'm just gonna start an auto magazine about cars and racing. And he ends up doing pretty well with his magazine. It's called Auto Pop. And he sells advertising in the magazine in exchange for borrowing race cars, which he races very poorly. He claims to be the best in the world, but he's really not that good. And so he gets into race cars. But here's the thing. During the 73 Arab oil embargo, basically, France is like, we can't afford oil anymore. There's no more racing allowed. And then Claude's like, what the hell am I going to do with my life? Exactly. Well, it's around the same time that there's this big UFO flap in France. Because this happens occasionally. You get like, remember in New Jersey, right? Crazy UFO flap. These things happen, right? Well, everyone in France is turned up about it. It's in the press. It's whatever. And essentially, Claude gets it in his mind. He's like, okay, I'm going to tell the newspaper that I met one of these UFOs, and that's how this whole thing begins.
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Top Lobster
Is he. Is he setting out to lie or is he claiming that he really did have an interaction with these UFOs?
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Luke Madrid
So he's never broken character about this, at least publicly. He claims that he went on vacation and he's out in the French mountains, the Pyrenees. It's December 13th, and he's out hiking when a flying saucer descends, Right. And at first he thinks it's a helicopter, but it becomes very clear that it's a flying saucer. So it's actually not unlike the New Jersey sightings where it's like, what is that? Is that a plane? Is that. And he, he claims later that, like, sort of like disguised itself as a helicopter so he wouldn't become scared, which is remarkably. Isn't that consistent, though, with what we've been hearing lately about these things? Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Just to elaborate on that. So many of the drone sightings have this weird characteristic where if you zoom in on them, for example, somehow it all sudden distorts and goes from looking like a nuts and bolts craft to, you know, a ball of plasma. And there are some instances where they look like planes, but they're way too low to be planes. And. And if they were planes, given how low they are, they should be tremendous. They should be huge and they should be incredibly loud. But this isn't the case. So what you're seeing is something that, like, it looks like a plane from the ground, and if you lacked depth perception, you might actually think it was a plane, but we have depth perception. So it's like, why is this thing so close and why is it so small and why is it not incredibly loud? So, yeah, I mean, that is consistent with certainly at least the, the NJ drone situation where people are claiming that it's transforming before their eyes are disguising themselves as conventional craft.
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Luke Madrid
And that's essentially what he said this UFO did to not scare him. And I do think it's interesting too. I'm really into Ashton Forbes MH370 disclosure that he's doing about the three orbs that disappeared Malaysian airline.
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David Lee Corbeau
He's been on the show before. He's. He's a homie School.
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Luke Madrid
Oh, yeah, he's great. Oh, well, I'm happy you guys are cool with him. I think he does great disclosure. But so, I mean, a point being it's possible that humans possess this technology is my sure.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Luke Madrid
And so it's possible that Claude is a victim of a psyop or this is maybe how he got roped into all this, you know, deep cuts here. Like, okay, so he gets involved in the music industry with a very unstable person, fast. It's after. It's after this he gets into advertising, and then it's after this he gets the idea for the cult. So.
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Top Lobster
And it almost seems like a guy that is constantly trying one thing or another, right? This guy thinks he's going to be a race car driver. He's going to be. What. What is he doing in the music, Luke?
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Luke Madrid
Well, exactly. It makes me wonder if he was abused himself. I guess that's what I'm getting at.
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Top Lobster
Sure, sure. You know, I mean, I could see that. But. But what was he doing? Was he seeking to be an artist? Was he trying to be management?
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Luke Madrid
What.
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Top Lobster
What was his goal in the music industry? Was he trying to make it big himself?
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, he wanted to be huge. He wanted to be like, you know, Don McLean, you know, France. He wanted to be the. He wanted to be this amazing folk singer, guitarist, but he just. He just really wasn't that good. And then when his manager checked out, you know, he got into the car racing. Well, so, you know, now we're in 1973 and this UFO's descending right? Now this little green man gets out, right? Because the UFO lands, some stairs come out and little green man walks out and he's like, you know, five feet tall. He's got a goatee, long black hair. He looks like he might be in like a. A member of like a 1990s new metal band. Like maybe he's a member of Limp Bizkit or Corn or something. It's very strange description of this alien. And this alien none other than the infamous Yahweh. I shouldn't say infamous. I guess the, the. The mighty Yahweh. Like this guy, this alien is. Is announcing himself as Yahweh, and eventually he tells him that, like, I'm your dad.
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David Lee Corbeau
I'm your daddy.
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Top Lobster
What a jump. That is the craziest. So a little green guy comes out of the. The ufo, tells him that he is Yahweh, and then tells him that he is his father. Is that the correct sequence of events?
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Luke Madrid
Yes. And that essentially his mother humped an alien at some point, and that's actually who his rich industrialist father really is. Yahweh.
- [24:21]
David Lee Corbeau
Nephilim.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Luke Madrid
Yes.
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David Lee Corbeau
Okay. It's something interesting. We did a deep dive on Andreja Puharich, and right around this time frame, so 73, you said, that's when you'll start to see Yuri Geller Yuri Geller's on the scene around 1970, 1971. And then they start doing experimentations on him, getting him to channel some entities, specifically the nine. Then the, the big UFO craze picks back up because you had it in the 50s with, or the 47 with Roswell, and it comes back in the 70s. So here we are again telling the same story with this guy.
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Luke Madrid
It's very interesting. I remember back in the 2012 era when the new agers are really turned up about the end of the world and all this. Yeah. There was one of the most famous extraterrestrial channelers. His name was Greg Giles. Everyone was who was into that sort of thing was tuned into him. And then one day he just goes off script. His channeling is like, oh, I was led by this feeling to go to this dark alleyway where like a G man in a black coat and a big hat told me that, you know, I'm actually, these aren't aliens. Like they're just beaming these thoughts directly into my head. And I've been misleading all these people and I've been handled this whole time. And like everyone was like, whoa. So it makes you wonder like, is that what's going on? Is this a method of getting, getting somebody handled? You know, is this a, is this a method of like, do they start these weird cults? You know, whoever, whoever these. It's strange.
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Top Lobster
I think they do because if you look at the intelligence agencies, they have their hands in so much and, and just given that like, you know, top saying these, these UFO crazes come in waves. The 70s is one of them. We're pretty comfortable with the idea that the intelligence agencies are doing a combination of things, leveraging, possibly reverse engineer technology, but also potentially on some level communicating with, with entities that are deceiving us about their nature. But you know, if they get their hands involved with it and then it seemingly happens in waves and during one of those waves, a cult springs out of it. I just see that as.
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David Lee Corbeau
Why waste a good psyop, Right?
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Top Lobster
Exactly. Fertile ground for, for intelligence operatives.
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Luke Madrid
We sort of skirted around the boundary and haven't really dove into it entirely and done an episode on it, which we plan to. But have you ever looked into the whole Laurel Canyon, Charles Manson stuff?
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Top Lobster
Yeah, a decent amount. But that's where we get that narrative that Top and I run with, which is there's no such thing as a promising grassroots movement that does not get co opted by the intelligence agencies. And then, you know, they, from there they take that and they manufacture culture out of it. So, yeah, that, that it really springs forth from our understanding of the Laurel Canyon situation. And we even suspect it's probably been happening long before that as well. That's just a prominent example.
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Luke Madrid
There's texts in India that go back 3,000 years that are stately, written for rulers, that have all this boring stuff about finances or whatever. But it also says, like, any responsible government needs to have spies in any popular movement, any political movement, any group of people, if they play magic cards, they play World of Warcraft, a bowling group, darts, doesn't matter, dude, there should.
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Top Lobster
Have some informants, probably feds in the group chat for this show. Oh, me too. Yeah, I'm, I'm almost sure of it. In fact, I'm not even saying that that means that our show is big. You have the dying of mainstream media, and now these, all these podcasts are rising to the surface because people are disenchanted with mainstream narratives. And so we're all fertile ground for feds at this point, you know, so, yeah, I would say that we're probably experiencing a bit of that ourselves. And, and maybe we previously wouldn't have thought that, because if we're just a podcast, I don't think, I don't think that's the case. I think they're just looking to co opt as much as possible.
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Luke Madrid
So why do I bring this up about Charlie Manson? Well, if you just strip it bare and actually look at Charlie Manson, he really didn't do a whole lot for that long. His reign of terror was really only like a year long. He was just kind of a burnout. Like prior to that, he would get arrested for stealing a car and then be right back out on the street. He always had like a crazy infinite supply of lsd. Where was he getting it from? And it was almost like he was protected until all of a sudden he wasn't. And my, my point is, is that Claude is essentially a more successful Charlie Manson. He's a weirdo with a guitar who's just trying to get the chicks to follow him around. That's his whole bag. But it seems that Claude was more successful at integrating or selling out his little operation to fit into the larger global ecosystem. And it's likely having to do with the fact that he may be trafficking and, you know, who knows what.
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Top Lobster
Well, that's, that's what a lot of these, I'm just looking at them now. Top, you want to bring this up real quick? I mean, just look at this dude. He looks like a dude who's. Who's the intelligence agencies are using for a human trafficking.
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David Lee Corbeau
Click the top left one. Where you doing the glamour shot?
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Luke Madrid
I love it.
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Top Lobster
Wait, let me open this in a new.
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Luke Madrid
See, you could laugh, but like, way more successful than Charlie Manson. Whatever Charlie Manson was trying to do, this guy perfected this guy.
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Top Lobster
Awesome.
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David Lee Corbeau
He's way more successful than I ever will be.
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Top Lobster
Yes, yes, yes.
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David Lee Corbeau
Believe it or not, this is peak male performance, whether you like it or not.
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Top Lobster
I love the decision where he's like, no hair up there, but tons of hair on the side. And I, I respect it too, because just because you're balding doesn't mean you're capable of growing luxurious locks. This dude's got a set of hair on him. So. Man, what a. What a character. What a character.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, real leisure suit. Larry, who is this guy?
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David Lee Corbeau
This guy Fox.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, this guy looks like he's telling you when you sign up, like, yeah, this is what we do. This is what we wear. Here's our official uniforms. I'm going to fuck your wife. This is where we get our food from. You know, he just rolls past that one. Like, this guy is definitely banging wives 100%.
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Luke Madrid
And Charlie Manson, that. That's the thing is he, he couldn't keep a lid on. He's just like, oh, yeah, there's a race war and we gotta go find the, the portal to hell in the desert. Well, and then, you know, it's just.
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Top Lobster
This guy's a little bit more truthful.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, he was a little more willing to play golf, you know, or whatever.
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Top Lobster
So. So, okay, how the hell do we get from. From this, from this. I had an alien experience. My mom had sex with this alien. My dad is a small green man. To. I think an apt symbol would be a mashup of the, of the, you know, the Star of David and, and the swastika. I have to put air quotes for the audience listening. I know. Because they're gonna go, that's not. The origins of those things. And I go, I am here to talk about.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah. The origins of both those symbols are freaking ancient. And yes. So many different things.
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Top Lobster
Exactly. So we have this connotation in 2025, what these mean. That's not necessarily the case. So how the hell did he. Why, like, I. Where does. Where does this. And I know you're going to answer it, but I just want to express where my mind is right now. It's like, what about like, Israel? And, and. Or is Israel even a part of this? You've got this. This Star of David, you got this swast.
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Luke Madrid
What?
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David Lee Corbeau
What?
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Top Lobster
How did we get here?
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Luke Madrid
Well, I recommend just kind of looking into the film crew that did the Vice documentary. I'll just say that now that I've said that they were a Jewish film crew.
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Top Lobster
They were an all Jewish film crew.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, from Israel. So I don't know why they were so friendly to Rail. But the whole idea is he wants to have an embassy and it. That's the big thrust of his religion. Well, most doomsday cults, you have to have the end of the world like six months out. That keeps you accelerating and getting them, getting people to do crazier and crazier stuff. You have to have an end game. So his end game is in 2035, we need to have a swanky, sex friendly, super luxurious embassy for the Elohim to land in Jerusalem. Because this is, this is all, all of religious prophecy is about the building of this. Not necessarily a temple, but an embassy in Jerusalem. And then if that is the case, that means humanity has successfully overcome the Great Filter what happened in World War II. Right. Like, so it's the idea that like humans will reach a point. I mean, this is some deal. Degrasse Tyson, right?
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Top Lobster
Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry, Luke, can you rehash that? Everything froze for me for a second and I didn't get to hear that.
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David Lee Corbeau
What year? 2035 you said.
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Top Lobster
Oh yeah, 2035. We have to have a super dope sex building is what I got to. And then it all cut out for me.
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Luke Madrid
20:35, the end goal of the whole cult. Because you always have to have an end game to accelerate what you're doing to get people to do crazy stuff. Their end game is we need to have an embassy, a sex friendly, swanky, you know, tiger furs on the ground place where the Elohim can land their UFO spaceships and establish geniocrity on the earth and basically put us under their benevolent dictatorship where we can all hump and.
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Top Lobster
Okay, so, so, so he's admitting then that he interprets these aliens as Elohim. Yes, but he's not differentiating between fallen Elohim and those that are still in alignment with the creator God.
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Luke Madrid
Correct. He has a very Sitchin sort of.
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Top Lobster
Anunnak, they created us kind of a deal.
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Luke Madrid
They did create us. Yes.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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Luke Madrid
And there was some disagreement between the creators and the Elohim establishment. So the creators like went off script and they created humans and there was like some group that's like, you can't create Humans. The other ones are like, yeah, but they're so scary squishy and they're fun to put our penises in. And, and they, they kind of like worked it out eventually and now they're pro human. But there are like fallen Elohim. There's like bad guy Elohim.
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Top Lobster
Okay, okay, this is, this is really interesting. So, Cliff High, I don't know if actually right now we're at the 36 minute mark. I, I regret to inform you, I.
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David Lee Corbeau
Regret to inform you that Raven owes Juan $33.
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Top Lobster
So you know what? I think Juan is a fed, because I saw that message came in and I didn't want to interrupt the show. It happened exactly at the 33 minute and 33 second mark. So if anybody is a fed here, it's Juan Ayala. Shout out, Juan. Guys, we're cutting the stream. We're no longer going to be on YouTube. We're no longer going to be on Rumble etc. We're going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad. But don't worry guys, because you can watch for free. Who does that? Who gives you things for free? We do. We do because we are benevolent and, and loving. And that's why we do that. So head on over to patreon.com backslash nephilimdesquad Sign up for free. Continue watching along, continue sounding off in the chat and enjoy an ad free viewing experience. Otherwise, bye bye, guys. All right. So. So Cliff High, he, he calls the Jews, he calls them the Elohim worship cult. And even Cliff High, you know, I'm very skeptical of him because he was raised among, you know, around a bunch of CIA agents. He, he says it himself. His father was in military intelligence to some degree and the CIA was in and out of his house all the time. So take what he says with a grain of salt. But even he recognizes that, yeah, it seems like the Jews that we're all worried about answer to the Elohim. Whether or not he determines that they're fallen or otherwise is. It doesn't matter. But it sounds like this guy is, is dealing with kind of a similar conclusion.
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Luke Madrid
Yes. Although for him, they're not necessarily spiritual beings. They're physically embodied beings. And all of religion is a misinterpretation of the facts. That the Elohim are genetic artists that create life and seed different planets and do different experiments, essentially. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
By the way, Luke, I don't know if you've heard, but there's been a lot, a lot of to do involving eggs. I don't know if you've been seeing this end, and this has been a part of the UAP disclosure that we're going into. I forget what the guy's name is. He's a bald dude with crazy eyes, but he's supposedly a dude who was a, you know, in the military. And he was retrieving an egg, some sort of egg craft or egg, I don't know, whatever relic from. From a mountainscape. And what ends up happening is another guy releases very similar footage of egg retrieval out of another like, landscape, but he's got a story to tell. On 4chan.
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Luke Madrid
And I saw that. That was much more entertaining.
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Top Lobster
That was much more entertaining, much more interesting. And what was said there was that aside the egg, they found an entity. They woke it up from stasis, and when it communicated with them, among many other things, it told them that we were created by the Grays to. To essentially mine gold. So there's your Anunnaki narrative, right? We were augmented from early hominid to be able to, you know, be more effective at mining gold for whatever the hell they're dwindling atmosphere or some on Naburu, but that they only took it so far. And then these tall nords, which is what the entity that woke up from stasis was, intervened, elevated us even further to create modern day human beings, and then are now trying to liberate us from, you know, the evil baddies who created us. So it's just like it's. It's these things. They all. They don't. They're not exactly the same thing, but they rhyme like a lot.
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Luke Madrid
I don't even know where to start with that because, you know, we make fun of a lot of this stuff, but we also lean into like, where's the truth in it? On the whole rabbit.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah.
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Luke Madrid
And this is something that we've been circling and will continue to circle because either like 50% of that is true, or they've been working for like 100 years to make us think it is. Are you familiar with 1940s, like pop science fiction author Richard Shaver or the Shaver mysteries at all?
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Top Lobster
I'm not familiar with Richard Shaver.
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Luke Madrid
So long story short, this guy in the 40s, he wets the bed one night and says that he was visited by the swamp witch who told him the truth. That essentially there were some tall Nordics that used to exist. Those are like our creators. And they're tall and they're tall and they're like, I Don't know if you're familiar with. Like. Like they got these big, giant sexy women, right? And they. They're.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. Not. Is Amazonian the right word? I don't know what you would. Yeah, yeah.
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Luke Madrid
Probably not, but yes, that's the right idea. Okay.
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Top Lobster
Big, big.
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Luke Madrid
Yes. And they had this awesome benevolent society, not unlike how rail expl. Explains the Elohim. Yes. New snooze. One of your comments. That sort of thing. Right. And we're descendants of them. The problem is, at some point though, our son became toxic and anti life. And so this big snooze, new people, they left. But they left some people behind. And those people, they live underground, hiding from the sun and they're like, attached themselves to the energy machines, which they. They're basically Kumar. Monsters. They only use the highly advanced technology to like watch porn and whack off incessantly. And it's like warped their brain, right? It's warped their brain and.
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Top Lobster
What are you talking about? What are you talking about? They. So the big ladies left and then the. The.
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Luke Madrid
There are guys too. I just.
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Top Lobster
There were guys too. I always wondered about. So, you know, there's a huge narrative that says that the Nephilim, right, The. The descendants of fallen angels and. And human women were predominantly wiped out, but the flood. By the flood. But in the Bible it says they were on the Earth during the days of Noah and after. And there are all these stories about, you know, gigantic underground facilities with. They didn't have to be a facility. It could also be just a cave system. So they're both in government deep underground military bases, and they're also in various cave systems. But they're. They're giants. It's news to me to hear that they're jerking off, though.
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Luke Madrid
Okay, so the giants, they're like still in their ascended holy state, right? And they just grow bigger and bigger over time until they become like, I don't know, like the Watchmen, like they eventually grow too big to live in society, so they go sit on a planet and meditate and their powers become more subtle. But here's the thing. The ones that were left behind, they didn't spiritually evolve. They just became like these little goblin people and they operate the highly advanced machines to beam. Basically, we live on a fallen planet. And these would be like fallen angels. And they beam different mind control beams, pleasure beams and pain beams into people. So like gang stalking, right? People that complain about gang stalking, directed energy weapons. And they essentially. What Shaver said is they manipulate the rulers of this Planet. They send them visions and send them voices and then they use their mind control beams and it's all bad. They don't have it. Like, they don't have an end game.
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Top Lobster
It's just really bad, though, because that. That's not, like, inconsistent with a lot of, you know, what we suspect to be going on. It's just, you know, when you get into the nitty gritty of what are the nature of these things? Actually, that's where things tend to get a little bit funky. But, yeah, I mean, that's. That all tracks.
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Luke Madrid
So we're getting back to the egg, right? We're getting back.
- [42:38]
Top Lobster
Yes, we're doing the egg, baby. Let's go.
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Luke Madrid
So, like, okay, so Richard Shaver's like, no, it's all real. And he's very much like Claude in realism, where it's like, they're not spiritual beings. All of religion has it wrong. They're physical beings with technology. Right. They both have that same narrative now. The occult people, the Thelemites, spiritual occultists, we're friendly to those people on our show. We have a lot of, like, witches, wizards, occultists, whatever. And so one of the reasons for the whole rabbit is we just didn't want to be like every other show where it's like, we analyze the symbolism and it means Satan.
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David Lee Corbeau
Everything in this movie.
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Luke Madrid
You get the point. Yeah, we wanted to go.
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Top Lobster
It's a much denser, a much richer. It's. That's like saying that the letter A means Satan. It's like this is a whole language actually of symbols, and they all have a. A really dynamic meaning. So.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, so just to put that out there, I know there's probably some of your listeners like, oh, he's one of those. He's one of those baphomet Satan people.
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Top Lobster
That's okay.
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Luke Madrid
Anyway, it's fine.
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Top Lobster
They think that we're faggots, so. It is. It's fine.
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Luke Madrid
Perfect. Okay, so hear me out. Long story short, all the occultists in the world, they heard what Richard Shaver had to say. They're like, okay, that guy's nuts. But he's right. And he's right in the sense that he's. He's correct, but in a metaphorical way. The Darrow and the Snooze new people, those are all real, but they're spiritual beings and they exist in the astral. Right. And so there's a whole subsect of people that take validity in his story, but they make it spiritual. So, okay, so where are we going with all this?
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Top Lobster
Do you ever ask the question like, why not both?
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, that's, that's actually kind of what I think might be going on.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, that's what I suspect as well. Like it feels like there's some real spiritual implementation. I mean, think about it. If human beings can remote view an astral project, you know, you have a spiritual form that leaves your, your physical form, then maybe there is some veracity to the idea that some of them are still physical and can probably do some spiritual stuff too. And some of them are dead, have been killed and, and you know, still the book of Enoch basically says that the Nephilim, these giants, when they die, they become demons and they're trapped here in this realm. They can't ascend in any meaningful way. And so they can only interact with us in a, in a, in a parallel world. But if the Bible is also correct about they were on those days of Noah and also after, then that suggests that they're still here in a physical form too. So it probably just varies from entity to entity.
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Luke Madrid
So yeah, what I'm getting at is there are some spiritualists or occultists or whatever that do subscribe to that idea that these evil Kumar aliens from the Richard Shaver universe or these Elohim, you know, from the Rayleighism cult, they actually are fallen spiritual beings that are non physical but can, you know, become physical to some extent. What made Richard Shaver's story so popular in the 40s was that people were having UFO experiences. People were being abducted. And what made Shaver's take so tantalizing was that he explained that the UFOs were coming from the inner earth. They weren't coming from space, they were coming from inside the earth. And I don't know, but if your listeners are on the same page as me, if you like, as the more disclosure I listen to and watch, those damn UFOs are in the earth. They're coming from inside the earth, they're coming from under the ocean. There might be some truth to what is being said. So then, now let's go back over to these spiritual people. Right? Okay, that brings us to like Aleister Crowley and Fulima and all those folks. Holy cow, where do we even get started with that? So the religion of Thelema. Aleister Crowley channeled the book of the law through his wife. His wife is probably the one who actually channeled it. He was doing some trying to impress his wife, doing someboy magic. He's like, I'm gonna invoke the Sliffs, which are Air, spirits, sylves. Excuse me, silks. And he starts invoking them in the. The king's chamber in the pyramid. And his wife's like, oh, they're coming. They're coming. They're. They have a message for you. And he's like, shut up, bitch. I'm trying to impress you right now with my magic. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Long story short, she ends up channeling the Book of the Law, and he. He subjects her to a lot of tests because he doesn't believe that women are, you know, worth the fuck. Right? That's just how Officer Crowley is. And he tests her. He asked her all these questions that she could never know the answer to. It's a whole rabbit hole itself. And if you listen what Aleister Crowley says, the Book of the Law was delivered by a dead Egyptian priest who had attained, like, the ultimate spiritual attainment, which is like in Star wars. You become a part of the living force. You become a force, ghost. You can go to heaven, you can come back to Earth, you can deliver messages, all that stuff. So then fast forward, you get to, like, 1947, near the end of his life. It's like the year Aleister Crowley dies. Like, the CIA gets started. The Roswell crash happens. And then you go and you look back and Aleister Crowley's history. He's the first guy to sketch a gray alien, more or less. And he supposedly was conjuring these guys through what was called the Amelantra, working not super duper satanic for the people who just believe everything Aleister Crowley does is evil. His whole point was he was trying to get spiritual teachers to come to Earth. And then what happens? All of a sudden, these things start showing up for these Foo Fighters, right, in World War II. What the hell's that about? And then it snowballs into this whole thing, like this era where Claude gets contacted. So what the hell is going on? It's interesting because that Almelantra working where he got. I think it. I think the alien. The alien being's name was Lam. Yeah, I think Lom said it's all in the egg.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, he did.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
It's one of my favorite things lately. And. And I. It's. It's all part of, like, this big deception, in my opinion, where specifically the nature of the deception is about who created us and why. And I think it's interesting that if you look into all these different. Like we were talking yesterday about Andre. What's his name? Puharij. Uh, what's his first name.
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Luke Madrid
Top.
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Top Lobster
Andrea Andreja, I always want to say Andre Andrea Puhari. He's communicating with these entities that he calls the Nine, and then he names them individually, and they're all the same names as the Egyptian Ennead.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
And so what I find fascinating is that he says, well, he picks up.
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David Lee Corbeau
Also he picks up right after Aleister Crowley. So this picks up in like 49, 1950.
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Top Lobster
So not too long after, right at. So, okay, so check this out. These things, the. The Nine, they have one consistent message. It is they are concerned about us, technology and the state of the planet. And so they hope to intercede on behalf of, you know, our better interests so that we don't destroy it and ourselves. Also spiritual ascension to take our place among their rankings, essentially. Now, this is the same narrative that comes from the Galactic Federation of Light. We are a galactic body of entities who are concerned with humanity's technological developments in the state of the planet. We don't want you to destroy yourselves. Also, we want you to ascend and take your place among us. Now, we have this lady on TikTok who, by the way, top, I looked at it this morning and she released all the transcripts. So there's a lady on TikTok for the past 20 years who has been communicating with something that identifies itself as Seven. And it says that it's part of galactic kind of federation of entities that keep trying to intercede on behalf of humanity so that we don't destroy ourselves in the nuclear destruction, also so that we can ascend. So. So the fucking narrative is always the same. By the way, I find a book written by a character named Seven who claims to be Seven of the Nine. And the book is called the Council of Nine and the Council of Saturn. And what is it? A prophetic warning to humanity about technology, what we're doing to the planet and how to ascend. It's the same over and over and over again.
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Luke Madrid
It is a remarkably consistent narrative across all of these very weird, disparate places. Because that is what they told rael. Supposedly on December 13, they're like, yeah, once you guys drop the nuke. It was like, now the race is on. You're either going to destroy yourselves with your technology or you're going to usher in a bright new golden era. And that's why we need you to build the Third Temple. I mean, embassy in Jerusalem.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's the same thing on repeat. And we. And we just get it from a bunch of different perspectives. But earlier you said either this is real, or they've spent like a hundred years building up this lie. I. I lean towards the latter because in order for me to believe that these things have our better interests at heart, I would then have to believe that the propaganda machine here in the west has our better interest at heart. That means NASA that was, you know, founded by Warner Von Braun, a Nazi scientist that we got in Operation Paperclip. That means Hollywood, and that just keeps cranking out all of these different things to kind of flesh out this alien narrative. I would have to believe those things have our. Our interest or our better interests in heart when that's not the case, though. But I recognize that they are part of building this narrative.
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Luke Madrid
It's funny you mentioned what? This guy's channeling a being named Seven.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, it's a lady. And how is he channeling or how is she channeling? She's doing it through a Ouija board. So she's been communicating with this on a Ouija board for, like, I don't even know how many. 20 years. So there you go. I saw that this morning. Top all of those colorful things. Those are the transcribes or the transcripts from her notebook. And I am going to dive into this at some point this week.
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Luke Madrid
All of the stuff we just talked about, plus the Ouija board, talking to Seven, all of that whole thing is just the movie Dark City by Alex Proyas.
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Top Lobster
I've never heard of it. What's that?
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Luke Madrid
Really? Oh, man. The mate. It came out around the same time as the Matrix, which is why nobody saw it. But it's basically all three Matrix movies condensed into a noir that took into account the long tradition of German expressionism, Gnosticism, occultism. And it has, like, some very inappropriate ideas all woven in there. I suggest anyone who's into this stuff, check it out. Yeah. Great movie. It's awesome. It's about what we're talking about. Like, almost everything we've talked about is in that movie in, like, some weird, hidden way. The reason I brought up Seven, a.
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Top Lobster
Connection, though, between Gnosticism and. And. And Germanic teachings. Is that what you said?
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Luke Madrid
Yes.
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Top Lobster
That's fascinating, because then that. That really does play into this idea that the Aryan race that they were so obsessed with, you know, rectifying or resurrecting.
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David Lee Corbeau
More alien, dude.
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Top Lobster
So it's more alien. Yeah, because I think it was Blavatsky who talked about it. Wasn't her saying it, but she got her hands on a text that had something to do with Atlantis and that the people that lived in Atlantis would have been Aryans. And. And that they build. They built. They had a tendency to build statues.
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Luke Madrid
That's the snooze new people we talked about. Yes.
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Top Lobster
Okay, so there we go. So. So they had a tendency to build statues that were actually proportionate to them and that. I. I don't remember how she derived that, but then basically she goes on to say, and the statues are huge, which means that the people were huge.
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Luke Madrid
That's also. That's basically the quote, fiction that the Nazis picked up from the book the Coming Race. And this was a popular science fiction trope around the turn of the century. And it was this idea that, like, if you took a boat far enough, you would eventually, imperceptibly go over this curve and end up in the Hollow Earth where there was a race of giants that had stuff like radio, but they were, like, living very healthy, happy lives in the glow of the inner Earth sun. And this is something that the Third Reich adopted, and they went looking for it. Right. And there's this whole story about General Byrd went to go, yeah, stop them and all that. But it's interesting. Yeah. You bring up theosophy. Well, that whole story, that's basically the inspiration for, like, all three Star wars movies. See all three Star wars trilogies in the main Skywalker plot, because. Oh, man, I don't even know where to get started with that.
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Top Lobster
It's. It's hard, right, because this thing that we're. We talked about this on the last episode. We did. This thing connects to so many other things, and it's very difficult to try to. In other words, the conversation we're having with you, Luke, is a continuation of a conversation we've been having for, like, a hundred and some odd episodes. And. Same here.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, it's.
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Top Lobster
It. It all connects and it's. It's both the. The sort of. The gift and the curse of the topic. Right. Which is like, if you've been following along since the beginning of nds, then you'll have some. Some foot. But if you're watching this as a solo episode, it's gonna be confusing. So. But I mean, you know, all for the. Yeah, exactly. Some people don't know what's going on. I can tell you that I'm. I'm enjoying the conversation. And so at the end of the day, that's all that matters to me. So. Okay. I think we did ask the question at some point. I don't know if we really got there, but how does this then become associated with Israel? The Star of David, he's incorporating the swastika. This. This plays into the. The Nazis. I mean, how does this guy get to. To this place?
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Luke Madrid
Oh, man. Well, I feel like I might need to keep touching on the. The German expressionism and the. The German secret societies here because, okay, Germany had a bunch of secret societies back in the day, and they were all, like, very, like, hippie dippy. There's actually a pretty big culture of, like, hippie new age stuff in Germany. And when Aleister Crowley channeled the Book of the Law, supposedly from this dead Egyptian priest, right? He's like, this is the new thing. This is like the new Age of Aquarius thing that's going on because there's this idea of dispensationalism in the occult. Like, there's these different ages, right, which are ruled over by different energies and have different themes. And it's the same in Christianity, but, you know, occultism does it. Based on the procession of the equinoxes. We're moving into the Age of Aquarius. Long story short, Aleister Crowley went over to Germany. He's like, I'm the prophet. I'm the chosen one. Basically, Anakin going to the Jedi. What is it? The Jedi Masters. And he's like, I'm the chosen one. And it's true, because at that time, Theosophy and Helena Blavatsky, they had this idea that there would be this world teacher that would rise up and bring balance to the whole world. And Aleister Crowley's like, I'm that guy. And this is something that occultists are always wanting to claim, like, no, I'm the world teacher, right? Well, Aleister Crowley channels the Book of the law. He goes to Germany, and they're like, this is the best thing I've ever read. Aleister Crowley, maybe you are the chosen one. He's like, yeah, I am the chosen one. Alistair Crowley leaves the room and the Germans are like, okay, that guy. Let's take his book and do it our way. And so they did that bald. Yeah, they're like, we don't. He's crazy. We're just. But his book is legit. Like, we believe in the ancient Egyptian priest that dropped the book on him and his wife. So we're gonna take his book and tell him to off. And so these Germans create the Brotherhood of Saturn, and it's dedicated to ushering in this new age of Aquarius, right? The Nazis actually hunt them down and, like, stop them, but they're connected, so they don't kill them. And Then they just start up again after World War II.
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Top Lobster
Anyway, Alice Bailey and Blavatsky, they both say that 2025 is supposed to be the coming of a golden age. I think they elaborate further and say the Age of Aquarius. And. And Donald Trump is out here saying that we're entering a golden age. So a lot of things are. Are checking out here. What's this?
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Luke Madrid
Okay, so that's their symbol. The brother Elon Musk throwing out the Roman salute. Well, to the Roman Empire, the Golden Age. The Golden Age was ruled over by Saturn. And Saturn is, like, the highest father God, right? Yeah. And so the. Like, the Pax Romana, the Golden Age, is ruled over by Saturn. That's important. He rules over Golden Ages. It's important to understand. So that is what the Brotherhood of Saturn wanted to usher in, supposedly. But the thing is, is there's a dark side that we have to go through or balance. And it's like, to get to the Golden Age, we have to go through this, like, evil, dystopian, technocratic sort of thing, which.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. Some people might call it the Kali Yuga.
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Luke Madrid
Yes. And so hear me out.
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Top Lobster
Why do we.
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Luke Madrid
Why are we talking about German occultists and all this, Luke. Okay. Well, they had an unbelievably potent influence on all the science fiction that we love so much. Yeah, the. These brotherhood of standard folks, they were connected probably to Fritz Lang, who created Metropolis. Metropolis is so confusingly full of symbolism because it's attempting to tell this exact story. Like, and then if you watch Metropolis, that's the same story that George Lucas is telling in Star Wars. You've got, like, the. You've got the guy that's gonna bring the balance to the Force and all this and usher in.
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Top Lobster
Is that a film or a show?
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Luke Madrid
Oh, Metropolis. It's this. It's a very old science fiction film. It's a very old. And it's the first special effects film. That's what makes it important. It has, like, a C3PO character. Everything that we love about Star Wars, a lot of it was lifted from Fritz Lang's Metropolis. And it was an inspiration for Dark City. Dark. Yes, That's Metropolis there. And actually, Moloch makes an appearance in Metropolis. Like when the. When the son of the rich industrialist goes down in the factories. Like, all these people are working so hard. It's like they're being consumed by Moloch and, like, they're all getting fed into the machine and all that. And he has to bring balance to the Force and make it so that there's like a workers paradise or something. There's like a new golden age that's technological long and the short of it. Just to break it down, real simple.
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Top Lobster
Oh, I just want to say I think I've seen this. I think I've seen clips from it. It's just the way that it's shot and everything is very haunting. I believe that there is even like a big, greasy mechanical demon or something like that. I have that image in my mind. Yeah.
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Luke Madrid
So it's this huge idea that the Age of Aquarius as a zodiacal sign is ruled over by the planet Saturn. Right. It was since replaced by Uranus, which is a planet of revolution, high technology. And so to the German Brotherhood of Saturn, balancing these two energies was the burden of the era that we're moving into. And this is something that has probably been repeated by other secret societies. It's this idea that we have to overcome. Like, how do I say this? So, like in the zodiac, those two signs are on opposite sides of the sky. You have Aquarius on one side and you have Leo on the other. And Aquarius is ruled by Saturn and Leo's ruled by the sun. And this becomes like an occult yin yang to these secret societies. There's this balancing of the Saturn energy and a balancing of the solar energy. And in fact, I kind of think that's what's going on in the Star wars sequels. And why maybe people don't like them is because they were so indebted to this concept where Kylo Ren represents the Saturn energy and Rey Ra represents the sun energy. And you see the same motif, like, go watch, go watch Megalopolis by Coppola. It's all the same. In fact, almost all the science fiction we've ever watched since the Brotherhood of Saturn has been about this motif. How are we going to deal with this dark Saturnian technocratic dystopia and somehow make it so each person is their own, like, living God, their own solar consciousness.
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Top Lobster
You know, you're talking about how this thing has been rehashed by all this scientific or science fiction community or science fiction media that we get fed. Werner von Braun was a science fiction writer, and L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer. Quite, quite the prolific science fiction writer before he was a cult leader. So, yeah. And then, you know, where we're sitting today, Elon Musk is literally named after the character from Werner von Braun's science fiction book about a guy, you know, colonizing Mars named Elon Musk. And we, we kind of get into this thing now where we're championing a lot of previous sci fi for its ability to almost prophesy, right, to predict certain technologies. Star wars or Star Trek is one of the huge ones when it comes to technology that we now have in the form of like, you know, holographic technology or touch screen, tablet technology, things like that. These were things that were first, I guess, dreamt up, you could say, in, in things like Star Trek and now we're using them in real life. So yeah, the science fiction community, or the science fiction genre I should say, is a weird one when it comes to these repetitive themes and the people who are into it who are very influential on the world stage, whether it be in the past or the present.
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Luke Madrid
So when you win an award, like Alex Proyas won a Saturn Award, that's like the Science Fiction Academy's like trophy they give you. Like you win a Saturn Award.
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Top Lobster
Really?
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Luke Madrid
Yes. I think it's because this is a known thing in filmmaking. Like a lot of it does go back to that. Like, like it's this, it's. Have you ever seen, what is it, Twin Peaks that say there's a similar Saturn lamp that's in the Black Lodge sequence?
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Top Lobster
I've not seen Twin Peaks, but I'm aware that it's like this really was, that was his name. David.
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Luke Madrid
David lynch, he just.
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Top Lobster
David lynch, he just passed away. So. So there are people within the conspiracy space who do a great job. Look at that. Saturn Awards. That's incredible. Yeah, it's funny too because once you see the whole Saturn symbolism, you can't unsee it. It is everywhere. I mean, ufo.
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David Lee Corbeau
Yeah, it's a literal ufo.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah, that's not even. I mean, I guess maybe those, those deviations could be representative of like a zodiac type of a wheel. You know, there's like those separation lines on it. But yeah, it looks like a, it looks like a UFO dog.
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Luke Madrid
Oh yeah, it's. It's all in the egg, I guess you could say.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Luke Madrid
But so, yeah, basically like in all those science fiction films, the idea is that we need to immunitize an eschaton. We need to bring a new age. Right. So that is remarkably consistent with what, what Claude does here in Rayleighism is like once 2035 comes, there's going to be a new age. And it's not an age of like democracy, it's an age of geniocracy, as he calls it, which is there is no God, there is no spirituality. Like you live in your DNA. And when you die. We can basically reprint you, you know, like Jesus, Muhammad, all of these great prophets from religion. They live on like some swanky Elohim planet with physical bodies doing leisure suit Larry type stuff.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, this is where you get into the idea of like Niburu or Planet X or something like that. This additional celestial body that is, you know, out of our realm of perception. It's like, it's too far. Some people think that Niburu is a, is a spiritual body. I've heard that before. But we just talked to Crow777 on the show, and he's showing us evidence for this binary star system that we might exist in, and that there is a second sun on its way back into, you know, our, our sphere of influence. And the timing of everything is so strange. I mean, if he's right and you can see at certain moments an extra sun that's kind of hidden behind our sun, you can catch glimpses of it. If that's true and this thing is, is rolling back, like the implications of that, the Nibiru thing and the, you know, whatever potentially inhabits the Nibiru. You're talking about these, these, you know, fallen entities or whatever, that. It's just one school of thought that supports another school of thought. And it does start to make something pretty compelling.
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Luke Madrid
You know, the number seven and the planet Saturn are also a remarkably consistent theme in almost all of these religions. Like, okay, so remember how I mentioned in the, the German Brotherhood of Saturn how there's this big idea of pairing Saturn and the sun, almost like a yin yang. Well, what is the Rayleighism symbol? You have the Star of Reform, which is like the cubicle Star of David. Right. It represents a cube. It also represents Saturn.
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Top Lobster
Right.
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Luke Madrid
And then the swastika or the whirling solar force, the, the sun energy in the middle. So it's like, where is he getting this? Like, that's remarkably consistent with like, what the German Brotherhood of Saturn and Thalima and all this secret wisdom is like kind of gesturing towards. And you know those, both of those symbols, the swastika and the star David, they appeared in Theosophy first. The theosophists still use that symbol. So, like, what are. They didn't even do it first. What was that?
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Top Lobster
I said, what are the theosophists?
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Luke Madrid
So that's Helena Blavatsky.
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Top Lobster
Oh, okay, okay. And they had their hands on this symbol first.
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Luke Madrid
Yes. And so that's like, imagine in Star wars, they're like the, the Jedi Council. Theosophy. Well, it was an offshoot of theosophy which started Aryanism, which was the idea that the German race was descended from these new frost giants that live in the inner earth and that if only they could purge the DNA that makes them mud bloods, then they could be snooz new and go to the center of the earth too.
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Top Lobster
That's interesting because if you look at modern day medical technology, we just had this big, you know, breakthrough with the MRNA vaccination, which people suspect is actually a form of like gene therapy, that it alters you on a, on a DNA level. And if it is gene therapy.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, the MRNA is gene therapy.
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Top Lobster
Right, so. So if that's true, then are we there? Did they, did that, did that pursuit never end? In other words, like cleansing you of your, your mud blood DNA? Did that never go away?
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Luke Madrid
Well, it's a really dark idea. Goes to the concept of eugenics, right? Where it's like, oh, we can perfect the human race by like removing the bad DNA. And like, we all consider the Nazis evil because they leaned so hard into it. Well, it's just interesting that here you have Claude, this like super hippie dippy guy who's also essentially a eugenicist. He even has this little squad in his cult called Rails Girls. This is a bit like the flirty fish with the children of God, I think they were, where basically the idea is you gotta get the hottest chicks in your cult and you gotta put them all in a group and make them suck your dick. But after that you make them go out and like interview with Playboy and give lectures and they're like, see, you could get in the cult with the hot Rails Girls. And this is what he tells them. He's like, so the Rails Girls, they're like the closest to the eugenic ideal. And if you read Claude's book, essentially like each race has its own like genetic ideal. And it's hot people that are very smart. You know, I mean, that's also what the elite want to make. They want to make hot people that are very smart and they want them to be their kids, right, or themselves.
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David Lee Corbeau
I mean, I, I googled Rails Girls and I just say it was coming up just porn.
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Luke Madrid
Just.
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David Lee Corbeau
I was like, I'm scrolling through. I'm like, no, there has to be something here. And it's just.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, just girls getting railed. Go figure.
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David Lee Corbeau
Yeah, pretty much.
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Luke Madrid
It's kind of a genius name.
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Top Lobster
It is a genius name and it reminds me of like Corey Feldman with Corey's Angels. It's like with any good like psychotic Cult movement needs to have, you know, bad bitches. I think even the whole, you know, Anson Girls, I mean, they were. They were cutie pies, right? That's why they. It worked. That's why they were able to kind of get done what they needed to get done as far as getting people to trust them so that I guess they can murder them later on. I don't know. But, yeah, it's always a good move. If you're gonna have a cult is. Is get some baddies.
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Luke Madrid
I mean, yeah, that's. That's how the Manson family worked. That was his whole. That was his whole shtick. Even his name Raw, which is the sun God, and then L, which is associated with Saturn. You see those two symbols again in his. It's like, yeah, what's. What script is he playing by? What is this?
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Top Lobster
Well, it's also. L is a. Is like a prefix for Elohim. So Elohim being a, you know, a high ranking spiritual entity. Yeah, and we've talked about that before too, because you see that on Stranger Things where l is 11, you know, and. And she's this child with psychic powers that's bridging the gap between our realm and a different realm. So, yeah, that. That's a. Something you see pop up a lot. You know, what you're telling us so far, it's. It. It's almost a bummer the way that I'm processing it. And the bummer is in that, like. Well, this I don't really disagree with too much here. Like I said, it always goes back to the nature of what these things actually are. But otherwise, this thing closely parallels the truth in very many ways, and I'm comfortable with that. We talk about this. It's like in order to sell the public a lie or humanity a lie, you have to, like, spruce it up with a lot of truth. We often say, like, nine truths. You'll tell somebody nine truths in order to sell them one fundamental lie after they trust you. And so in these narratives that keep popping up about, you know, these. These entities and. And what their whole purpose is, and, you know, this creator, like, a lot of it is the truth, but, you know, it's up to the individual to have enough discernment to figure out where the lie is.
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Luke Madrid
Gosh. Yeah, it really makes you wonder where the truth is. If we could bring up Scientology just for a moment. L. Ron Hubbard, science fiction writer we mentioned earlier. I mean, he was probably an intelligence agent that was sent to infiltrate the American branch of Aleister Crowley's Religion of Thelema to figure out, are these guys communists? Are they dangerous? Like what is, what is the deal with them? And he got sent to infiltrate them. He would get caught digging through the garbage, you know, in their Pasadena lodge. Like they had like a hippie house that was run by Jack Parsons, who was an American rocket engineer. And he. This is the thing. Like he would talk to Von Braun on the phone, right? And he would call Von Braun thinking he was going to get some information out of him because he's this great German rocket scientist. And then Von Braun would ask him all these questions and Jack Parsons would give him all these answers. And then Jack Parsons wouldn't leave with any new information. He's like, these Nazis are pumping me for information. So don't let anyone tell you that the Nazis are the genius behind the American space program. It was fucking Jack Parsons. He was a Californian.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, he was a loving Satanist who.
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Luke Madrid
Put us on the moon. And don't you forget it.
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Top Lobster
Not those. I don't know if we went there, but he, yeah, he's. He's widely regarded as the father of modern day jet propulsions. So there's like, there's JL or JPL or whatever, Jet propulsion labs. I think that's specifically what he worked for. And then, yeah, this is the same guy that's in the desert with L. Ron Hubbard trying to finish like Aleister Crowley's Babylon workings, which is a different. There's the Avalantra and then there's the Babylon workings. I'm pretty sure they're separate missions of his. And they're trying to summon into this entity or into this realm the, the moon child or at least that's what I.
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Luke Madrid
So Jack Parsons was a little nuts, right?
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Luke Madrid
And he wouldn't always listen to Crowley. Crowley by that age was a bit more circumspect, a bit more crusty and old.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Luke Madrid
And Crowley hated L. Ron Hubbard. He's like, you need to get that huckster out of your house. He's gonna ruin the whole religion. And he did. Elrond shows up and he's just like stealing all the.
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Top Lobster
He's.
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Luke Madrid
He's railing all of them in that whole cult. And essentially he absconds with Jack Parsons wife with his riches and his boat. And Crowley's like, you're an idiot. I told you, you. You were the chosen one and you let this idiot just destroy it all. So Elrond, well, Jack Parsons, he summons a storm and the boat actually washes back to store.
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Top Lobster
So I Think he got his boat.
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Luke Madrid
Back, but he lost his wife. Anyway.
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Top Lobster
You know, wait, there's. There's an interesting detail. Go ahead, Top.
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David Lee Corbeau
No, no, no, go ahead, go ahead. I'm just.
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Top Lobster
Okay. I was gonna say there's an interesting detail here when it comes to Jack Parsons, and that is that his name, I believe, is actually Marvel, which is fascinating.
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Luke Madrid
And his dad.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, that's not. Jack Parsons is a. Is a. Is a pseudonym, I believe. It's not his actual name or. Or whatever.
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Luke Madrid
Parsons, I think is his.
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Top Lobster
Well, if it is his real name, somebody maybe modeled Howard Stark after Jack Parsons. And that Marvel connection. I just never goes to bed, dude. Like that. Whatever the hell Marvel movies are in the whole Marvel universe is. It is a occult.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Like, what would you call this in a culture representation of basically, like, the pantheon in. In so many ways, you know, because it's like, within. Within Marvel, you have, like, your own Nephilim, you have your own fallen angels, right? So you have, like, gods in there. So there's Thor, there's. There's Ares. There's a couple other characters under some Nephilim characters, like. Like a Hercules is also in the. In the Marvel realm. And then there are chimeric alterations to the DNA of human beings in the form of, like, a spider man, you know, or.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, you name it.
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Top Lobster
So it's all there. It's all in Marvel. And. And I think that Stan Lee, when he was a young man, he was in the military for sure, but there are rumors that he was part of this propaganda wing of the military. And so then he comes out and he creates Marvel and, you know, models Tony Stark and his own father to some degree after. After Jack Parsons, like. Yeah, the whole thing is. Is. Is an occult mission of sorts. I think the. The whole Marvel universe.
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Luke Madrid
You're dead on. I totally see what you're saying about Tony Stark's dad. Certainly based on Jack Parsons. Absolutely. 100. And I'm more of a Star wars guy. Star wars is a perfect representation of what actually happened, like, from World War I until, like, now. Ish. And it's trying to show what's happening, like, behind the scenes in the spiritual scene. And it's, like, remarkably accurate. Now Marvel, I think you're onto something, like, all the stuff is there. In some ways, this might upset some people. Okay, so digging into what you said, the creator. I'm not a big. I'm not a big comic book Marvel guy. So, like, I'm coming in as an outsider, but I'm familiar with the material. They're drawing from. I think it was, like, propaganda against the Nazis in some way. Right.
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Top Lobster
Like, so certainly the Captain America arc was in a big way. And. Yeah, I mean, you would see this mirrored both in Marvel and in D.C. because they kind of used it to spur on, like, the war movement to. To rally people to get behind something. So Hitler was often depicted in both DC and Marvel. And Superman's him up, Spider Man's them up, Captain America's them up. And this is a way to kind of like, you know, ingrain a certain popularity within the culture surrounding the war efforts. So, yeah, I mean, there was a huge moment in time where that was. It was geared against the Nazis.
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Luke Madrid
Okay, so hear me out. I have to invoke Star wars to talk about Marvel. I'm sorry, I know. This is just crazy.
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Top Lobster
Now they're the same fucking thing, right? I mean, Disney owns that. Yeah. It's all the same thing now. And they're all drawing from the same source material. So. Same, same.
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Luke Madrid
So long. And the short of it is theosophy believe that there was a world teacher that was going to come. Alistair Crowley's like, I'm the guy. But they didn't settle on Aleister Crowley. Neither did the Germans. Like, everyone was fighting for it. They wanted to. Long story short, theosophists found a guy named Jiddu Krishnamurti wandering around on the beach. Look him up. Jiddu Krishnamurti. And they groomed him to be this world teacher. The things they said about him were. It's like his mind was empty and he's willing to do whatever he was told, which sounds like not who I would want to be my world teacher. That sounds like the perfect mind control subject. So that doesn't make sense to me. But anyway, they groom Jude Krishnamurti and educate him and try to groom him to be this world teacher. Well, it's like before World War II. Essentially, Jude Krishna Murray is like, wow, you theosophists are fucking crazy. I'm not going to be your world teacher. I'm dissolving this entire cult you've created around me, and I'm just going to go live in Ojai next to Aldous Huxley. I'm going to put his house right next to him. We're going to live next to each other, and I'm going to go lecture to people about how to become enlightened in Ojai under a tree. Right? And I'm certain that this is who Yoda is based on, is Jiddu Krishnamurti. Now the second Jiddu Krishnamurti is like, I'm out. I'm not being near. Stupid Maitreya. World teacher thing. That's ridiculous. I'm not doing it. It's the same moment like, Hitler rose to power, right? And so there's. This is where I think there's some truth in this prophecy and what Star wars pulls from. Like, as the light rises, so does the dark. And as the dark rises, so does the light, right? And there's this prophecy of the world teacher. So Anakin is supposed to bring balance of the force, but he ends up being the dictator of the whole universe, right? Well, it's the same thing with judo Krishna, Marine Hitler. Hitler becomes, instead of being the world teacher, he becomes the Chakravartan. Okay, okay. What is that? Well, you remember when the Buddha was born, he was born to the Cassatria class, which is the warrior class in India. And they're like, top right. They're like right below the Brahmin. And there was a prophecy before Siddhartha was born. And the prophecy was like, this guy is either going to be the world teacher or he's going to be the world conqueror. And the word they used was Chakravartin. And so his dad's like, I don't want him to be some hippie mystic, some starry mystic. Like, I'm, I'm. I'm a Kashacher class. I want to be the father of the conqueror of the world. So he does his best to like, keep Buddha from realizing there's such thing as death and aging. And he like, has all these concubines for him. But of course, we all know the story. Eventually, Buddha wanders outside the temple. Excuse me, outside the compound. And he's like, oh my God, people die and get sick. What the fuck is this? And his dad's plan is foiled. He essentially chooses to become the great world redeemer instead of the world conqueror. And so when Hitler arrives in the east looking for all these magical artifacts with his on and herba cult, right? Because he goes and he looks for all these magical artifacts, anything he can get an edge in the war. Well, when Hitler arrives in the east, they're like, we were expecting you. We knew our prophecies prophesied that the Chakravartin would come, right? And so what's chakravarten? It means wheel spinning king, right? And so, like, what is this wheel? Like, for any thelemites or occultists, go read the third chapter of the book of the law. That's Like a whole other conversation. Anyway, this Wheel Spinning King is this prophesied world leader that's supposed to rise from the east. And like multiple different nations in the east believe in this prophecy. And this is like what Hitler was leading into with becoming this wheel spinning king.
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Top Lobster
Am I wrong in drawing the correlation between the wheel spinning and the swastika?
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Luke Madrid
You're dead on. That's what I'm getting at. And what I. Why I'm bringing this up is you see this reflected in our media so much. Like I can think, I can rattle off a few science fiction equivalents or fictional equivalents. So like, this is idea that whoever controls this wheel controls the world. And so like the first one that comes to mind even has a name like it, Metal Gear Solid, who's going to control this technology that will eventually rule the world, right? And then you have another one like Halo. Whoever rules the ring, rules the universe.
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David Lee Corbeau
Right, right.
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Luke Madrid
Lord of the Rings.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. And it's interesting because really what that is, it's like, what's the ring? The ring is. Is Time.
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Luke Madrid
Time. Yes. You're dead on. You're dead on, dude. Saturn.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah, because.
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Luke Madrid
I got some Internet freak out too. I'm getting some bad signal. We must have said the right thing.
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Top Lobster
So. So the. The swastika represents the position of the Big Dipper in the night sky. Sky. And essentially through the four seasons, you will observe the big dick be oriented in a totally different position. Right. Where, you know, so. So yeah, in. In a way it. Or in a huge way, it represents time, which makes sense, right? If you can control time, then you can control the world. And if time is truly a different thing when perceived by something that's outside of our dimension, and it's true. If it is true that time is much more accurately perceived as a flat disk instead of a. A linear river, then yeah, I mean, essentially it's. It's becoming as. God.
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Luke Madrid
You're.
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Top Lobster
You're. The. The way you win is to get out of this dimension and observe time as a flat constant disc and then, you know, control it one way or another. So that. That to me immediately connects to all the time travel shit that Nikola Tesla and.
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Luke Madrid
Oh my God, man, where do I even start? Yeah, you're dead on, man. Well, okay, so who is. Okay, so I'm gonna invoke another filmmaker who's totally on board with these crazy ideas that we've all talked about. My favorite occult film of all time, Apocalypse Now. Okay. This whole idea of the Wheel Spinning King, I think is the idea behind the Flight of the Valkyries scene, that scene is about whichever culture possesses the mastery of the wheel is the quote unquote superior culture. So there's this subtext, right, of is this quote unquote superior culture, just the one who has the best control of the wheel. Well, what is the wheel? The chariot. In fact, the name for car and chariot has been unchanged like almost forever, which I thought was interesting. Anyway, the whole point of a chariot is, is that you're conveying supplies or troops faster than the enemy. You're controlling time. Yeah, it's the control of time. And so it makes sense that the ultimate weapon would be a wheel. And like go back to the Buddha, right? The symbol of Buddhism, even the symbol of Ayurveda, is the wheel. And the term for suffering in Buddhism is dukkha. Was dukkha mean? Dukkha means essentially poorly set axle whole. And it's this idea that all of life is essentially the wheel, you know, and that we suffer because the wheel is, is awkward, right? It's wobbly.
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Top Lobster
This gets into the karmic wheel, right?
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Luke Madrid
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Damn, dude. What the.
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Luke Madrid
All right, it's, it's weird, right? It's pretty, it's, it's mind blowing stuff. So the wheel spinning king, right? Is it a physical weapon or is it a spiritual weapon? And I think this is addressed in episode four in my favorite scene and maybe the whole Star wars, which is, you know, you've got all these Saturn worship, like this symbol of the wheel, the empire is just like we have created the ultimate battle station. This is the ultimate power in the universe. Invader's like, no, no, no, you don't know what the ultimate power in the universe is. All this is insignificant compared to the power of the Force. And so this is this dichotomy where it's like is the ultimate weapon the mastery of like a machine or is it the mastery over one's karma? Is it the mastery over one's destiny at once?
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Top Lobster
So I mean so many, so many people look at this, this structure of, of the wheel or of Saturn, of Kronos, of time as being a sort of a prison. So I don't know if it's like even like the, the whole black cube thing I think is, is representative of, of. It's almost like a symbol that represents the, the trap that we're in, which is this, this time trap. But I don't know. I don't know that that makes, doesn't make it good or bad. It just is the nature of this realm it seems to be something that. That exists so that we can experience this realm this way. And to me, it. It seems that to try to get outside of it is literally the Tower of Babel, right? It's trying to enter heavenly realms and get out of this one. And bar to entry, or rather the bar to exit is time. So you have to get outside of time. Time is the great container that we're in or the black cube that we're in.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, you're totally over the target, man. Like, go watch Metropolis. Like the. The Saturn Award we talked about. It's Saturn atop a Tower of Babel. And that's the same symbol that's in the Dark Lodge of the Black Lodge. And, like, can we talk about the black cube for a minute and what it has to do with Saturn? This is something that my fiance, Heka Astra, really helped put the pieces together. She's an amateur Egyptologist. That's better than the. The professional Egyptologist. And there were some pieces that I had on the table, but when she got there, like, it all came together. So long story short, how, like, what is with this black cube? Why is it literally everywhere on the Earth? Why is it so big? Well, long and the short of it is it goes back to ancient Egypt, and we can trace it back to the God Osiris. And Osiris.
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David Lee Corbeau
So, like, it's insane.
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Luke Madrid
Our Star wars fans, right? Osiris, the good Osiris is Anakin, right? So this is Osiris. He's a. He's a dying and reborn God. He's the God of grain. And he's essentially. When Osiris showed up, people stopped eating each other. He brought, like, balance to the force. He brought a golden age. So he's similar to the Roman Saturn in that he brought harmony and balance to the. To civilization, which is what Anakin wants as well. Supposedly my favorite meme of all time where he's talking to his wife who.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Luke Madrid
You want to bring balance in a good way, right? Like, you know.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Luke Madrid
So anyway, but Osiris did do that. And then Osiris is the God who dies, Mufasa. And then his son has to avenge him because it's the evil his evil uncle Set, Darth Vader kills. Set kills Osiris, locks him in a box. Soul Star wars still. And then, like, actually he's dismembered and his pieces are flown everywhere. And his wife, who Isis, has to forge a penis, makes his penis out of gold, and then makes Horus out of it. And Horus is like the avenging son energy, right. That has to avenge the father. And this is like the Luke Skywalker character and then later the Rey character in Star wars, long story short. So when you die, you go to the underworld and then you're judged by all these different gods and judges. There's like 40 of them or something. But then after you go through all those, you arrive at the scales of Ma'at and Osiris is sitting on his throne watching the whole thing. And Ma'at is the God of goddess of justice and she weighs your heart.
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Top Lobster
Is that the hippo one or the, or the crocodile one?
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Luke Madrid
Oh, that's a good question. It's actually a human. So Ma'at is a human looking goddess that has a feather on her head.
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Top Lobster
Oh, a feather, okay. Because I know they have. This is actually depicted in a Marvel.
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Luke Madrid
Film tower I love towering.
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Top Lobster
It's in, it's in Moon Knight. So in, in Moon Knight they'll show you that entire thing where he's going through this process, going through the underworld on a ship, having his, his heart weighed against a feather, I believe. And yeah, so once again, Marvel, just fucking crushing.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, yeah. These two franchises, Star wars and Marvel, it's all there, it's just coded. And it's one reason we like it, is because it speaks. It speaks to some deeper.
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Top Lobster
Yes. I just want to mention too that they talk about Saturn as if he's this great character that came and brought order and it's the golden age. But he's also, you know, the same character that it's prophesied. His, his sons are going to overthrow him. And so he spends a quite amount of time, a large amount of time eating his own offspring so that they don't come to fruition to overthrow him. And, and that the scythe and death are associated with Saturn and Kronos as well, because time covers us. All right? So, so you have like this. There's a real duality within this character that it can be seen as a savior figure on one hand, but is an absolute madman that's associated with death and that eats his own children so that they don't overthrow him.
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Luke Madrid
So both of those ideas make sense if we like both look back to ancient Egypt because the scythe is a symbol of harvest, right. So it's a symbol of death.
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Top Lobster
But we are the grain.
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Luke Madrid
We're the grain. But it's also, it's also like a symbol of plenty, bounty, harvest. The golden age. Right. There's enough food to go around and then when you die. Where do you go? You go to the field of reeds. And then, and even the, the Greeks had the same ideas. Like when you die, you go to the fields of Elysium, right?
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Top Lobster
Yeah. You see this at the end of Gladiator with Russell Crowe is a fantastic, perfect example.
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Luke Madrid
Okay, so the scythe. So here's the thing about is like, if you trick death, like if you refuse to go to the underworld or whatever, like Osiris will come out as a fucking zombie and get you. Like, he'll come out of the underworld and get you. So he's also, he can also be dark and he's the judge at the end. Now here's the thing. The reaping, the hard work that goes with the crop. Well, the important thing. What does this have to do with the black cube? Well, Osiris sits upon a throne. And this throne, if you look at it's based on a cube. And if you were to draw it symbolically, and this is something that my fiance knows, like if you draw the symbol of Saturn, it's Osiris's throne. It even has the little lip on it. And so the, the big meme behind the symbol is. It's perfected work. It's work that has been accomplished. Anyone who knows about freemasons or is a Freemason will know that there's this idea of the, the rough and the smooth ashlar. And it's this, it means this in masonry too. It means like through hard work you can perfect the character or the civilization.
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David Lee Corbeau
Yeah.
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Luke Madrid
Or whatever. So like look at like type in throne of Osiris. Like this is a throne. You're looking at like this is his chair that Osiris is sitting in.
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Top Lobster
Fascinating.
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Luke Madrid
The. So like, so like what does this have to do with like seven, all that? Okay, so Osiris on his funerary beer is depicted with two acre lions facing both directions. They represent the two, the two horizons. So time essentially tomorrow and today. Yeah. See if you can find like Osiris throne hieroglyph maybe.
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Top Lobster
It almost looks like the black cube that they worship in Mecca.
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Luke Madrid
Yes, absolutely related. It's absolutely related. And the, the Teflon that Hebrew people do like on the forehead.
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Top Lobster
Yes, yes.
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Luke Madrid
And then they wrap, they wrap a black thing around their arm seven times. And then in the Kabbah that the, you talk about the kebab with the Muslims, they circle it seven times like the rings of Saturn. Seven times.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Luke Madrid
So anyway, these two acker lions that Osiris rests on. Oh, there's the eye in the throne. So. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. So that's a great image you pulled up. So the throne of Osiris that he's resting upon is the Saturn symbol. So it all comes together. Hear me out. So these acker lines that he's resting on. I wish we had a symbol of that. Anyway, the word for lion today in Arabic, the word. Excuse me. The word seba means lion in Arabic, and also it means the. The number seven, essentially. And the idea. So this word shiva became the word Sabbath, means rest, which is. It's this. It's this idea that God. God created the world and what's he doing on the seventh day?
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Top Lobster
Yeah, and it gets really like they're doing it on the seventh day and it's Satur day or Saturn day, the whole fucking thing. Yeah, man.
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Luke Madrid
So perfected work. It's like perfected. Like we've done the work. The work is good. It's done.
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David Lee Corbeau
Now that correlation of the lion as well, we heard a bunch of stories of like lion face deities or even, you know, comparing Jesus to the lion of Judah.
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Top Lobster
The Gnostics believe that. That God is like a serpent with a lion's head.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah, yeah. So the Gnostics basically take this idea that the Saturn deity, you know, this Abrahamic God is like a jailkeeper and an idiot. Right? And it's interesting because like the. A modern. Like you described it as a. As a prison. Right. Well, the guy who famously described the world as a black iron prison is Philip K. Dick. He's the guy who wrote like Total Recall, Minority Report, and he wrote the story that inspired the one with all the androids. I wrote people are. That's close.
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Top Lobster
The one with all the androids. Huh?
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Luke Madrid
It's got. I can't remember, Cyberpunk 2077. What am I thinking? Blade Runner.
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Top Lobster
Oh, Blade Runner. Yeah.
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Luke Madrid
Yeah. So he wrote. He wrote Blade Runner and he described the world as a black art are in prison, essentially. And in some ways it seems very much like the Gnostics believe that the world that we live in is a fallen, simulated world, right? And it's a creation of this God called the Demiurge as Yaldebaoth. And it's kind of like a glib reinterpretation of what Plato said in the Timaeus. Like Plato and the Timaeus is like, all right, so like, God is this master builder, and he's like looking to the eternal realm, but he can't make it eternal. He can only base what we have on the eternal. So he's basically telling you, like, we live, we die, we get sick, because we're living in a shoddy simulation of the eternal that was created by essentially a good character. But the Gnostics come along, they're like, fuck that guy. Like, this world sucks. Anyone who's anyone knows this world sucks. And the early Christians were Gnostics. And so the whole idea is that Christ came to, like, liberate us from this black iron prison, to, like, give us the good news, to, like, free us from this, like. And then also he kind of, like, rewrites the rules because, like, if the God of that, the Abrahamic God, is like, so closely related to Saturn, well, you can kind of see. I mean, even the crucifix itself is like an unfolded cube.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, that actually brings me quite a bit of pause because I see that and I recognize that it's an unfolded cube. What were you gonna say? Top.
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David Lee Corbeau
No, I was. I was going to go back to Philip K. Dick. We spoke about him yesterday.
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Top Lobster
I knew it sounded familiar.
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Luke Madrid
Really? Oh, my God, that's crazy.
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David Lee Corbeau
And I'm. I'm not familiar with Blade Runner. I haven't seen it. But we. We were talking about. Again, we did a whole deep dive on Andreja Buharich, and this relates to Project Stargate and what they were investigating during that time period. But Philip K. Dick's name. His name came up, and he was interested. An interesting subject here because. So he. He gained this knowledge through a pink ray of light. And all of these experiences before he created these movies were triggered by a dental surgery. And Andreja Puharich in the 50s, he was working on those. These dental implants that he would just put in people, and it would like. It's like kind of like voice to skull technology or Voice of God technology. Yeah. So him. L. Ron Hubbard, he. He started. He started Scientology after have. After almost dying on the dentistry table of some sort of. Yeah. Tooth implant. It's just like. There's just way too many things. It kind of all.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, I gotta say something, because this is in my head, and I'm not expecting an answer or anything. In fact, if it's a hard segue after this, then. Then that's fine, but I just feel like I have to say it. So, you know, within these entities, you look at them, they all have this dual nature. Right. Where on one hand they're the savior liberator character, and on another hand, they are a monster. And I think that we get caught up. So. So I look at other mythoses as having been influenced by the fallen. And so there's a tremendous amount of truth, but there are some fundamental lies. And a lot of these other mythoses will come away with this duality, this yin and yin and yang, or this Star wars balance idea that there has to be an equal darkness to, to. To light kind of a thing. And I've heard all that, you know, the brighter the light, the darker the dark. So it's like they're always going to beget one another. But I almost feel like that is the false binary that we're locked in. Like that's what they want us to believe. That's their nature. And in Christianity, you're called to resist that urge to sin and to not be of that, that dual nature and to, you know, be redeemed through Christ. And so to me, it's interesting because there is a lot of logistical information that will lead you to believe, like, oh, yeah, there does seem to be some sort of a balance. And then you've got science fiction to lead on that's telling you that ad nauseam. And you have other pagan religions that are also telling you that, like I said, the whole yin and yang thing, right, the duality of man, or even that, that Satan, the accuser, the adversary is part of you, is something else that I've been hearing. And I recognize that when people are plagued by schizophrenia, aka, you know, demonic influence, these, These things are whispering to you. And I think at this point we've got that in pretty good authority. It's kind of like the cornerstone of the show in very many ways. They want you to believe when they're whispering to the victims, that it's a part of you, that these are your thoughts and these are. This is your voice. It even will disguise itself with your own voice. And it wants you to believe, and they want you to believe that that is your nature and that you should lean into it. But in Christianity, they say go against your nature, because a child's nature is to throw a fit, to hit, to, to cry. And you got to unlearn all this. You start off as a sinner and you have to unpack that and, and, and be free of it eventually through Christ. But that's not what all these other things are saying. All these other things are saying, yeah, the duality of man, it's just your nature be like that. Even the gods are like that. You know, Saturn Kronos, he's a savior and a monster, and so are you. And I don't think that that's true. I Don't think that that's the point. And I think that's also one of the fundamental lies that these things are telling. I think, like, it's an. It's an observation of nature, but you're not called to lean into it. You're called to. To be above that and to. To, you know, redeem yourself through Christ. So I, I don't know. I just had to say that because I. I see that theme echoed in everything. And Christianity will tell you that we are fallen and that we are born with sin because of, you know, decisions that our ancestors made. But then it tells you to resist that and to be better than that. And. And so that's a fundamental difference in the messaging there. So just something that I wanted to point out because I see it a lot, and it just hit me, you know, in a. In a. In a weird way, I think there's something to that, you know, maybe worth exploring more in the future.
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Luke Madrid
Well, that's a really deep philosophical cut that is more or less in the ballpark of the things we like to talk about. On the whole, Rabbit, it's what you describe there is, like, very deep. I guess, what I would say for this audience here. This may be a little more on the conspiracy side of things, depending on who you talk to. It seems pretty obvious to me that there are some secret societies where it's like, we're going to lean into the evil thing to make the good thing happen, which is like accelerationism, right? This is ideas like, we're going to make so much evil happen. So, like, the good thing will happen or whatever.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah.
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Luke Madrid
Well, a lot of occultists or people in the spiritual community or whatever, including maybe, I don't know, because it's secret. But the brotherhood of Saturn, it's not different from what you're saying about Jesus Christ, because the idea is very much not to lean into your evil nature and not to become as evil. The idea is to bind the evil parts of the self to Christ. And whether you believe Christ is inside of you or outside of you, or like, that's its own conversation. That's interesting. It's the same thing in Buddhism where they show up and there's all these demons possessing the land, the bone demons. And they're like, well, here we're gonna. We're going to use our Buddha powers to call up these demons and bind them to the Bodhidharma. And so in the occult traditions, it's the. One of the points of one of the things that the hexagram, the Symbol of Saturn is used for. Is for binding demons. And the whole idea is, is that you're not leaning into the evil or asking demons to do things for you or cohabitating with demons. You are subjecting demons to Christ and making them do, like, build the. Build the temple you got. Exactly. So this is part of the tradition.
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David Lee Corbeau
You're making them write your AI descriptions for your YouTube videos.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, baby, that's it.
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Luke Madrid
Isn't that kind of what the elite are kind of doing? They're like, oh, this thing is evil. The AI is evil. Well, we got to make it do.
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Top Lobster
What we got to do.
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Luke Madrid
We have to be the ones.
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Top Lobster
There's some of that, right? But then there is the Crowley ism of like, do without, wilt shall be the whole of the law. Or. Or there's another rendition of that. It's like an Assassin's Creed. The creed that they lived by was like, nothing is true and everything is permitted or something like that. Like, so there is this kind of idea that liberates. And that's funny too. It's the liberator, right? Like, you know, liberation and rebellion are cousins, and then that just is like the spirit of. Of Satan. But, you know, this idea that through that mankind can be liberated instead of being stopped by moral quandary at every. It's like everything is permitted. You could be bad sometimes.
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Luke Madrid
I. This is one of. This is one of my things that I'm trying to offer to this universe of thought in the world as the whole rabbit, why I have baphomet and why, like, we talk about Aleister Crowley so much. Aleister Crowley was a deeply flawed person.
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Top Lobster
And yeah, he's like Cecilia's farts or Celia's farts.
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Luke Madrid
I mean, that's like the better. That's like the parts we like about him. Like the parts we don't like about him. Like, he was shitty. People will probably disagree if they're big conspiracy theorists. Don't really think he was a murderer. He was very shitty to women. And he didn't understand his own philosophy to some extent, which is wild. And he interpreted his philosophy in ways that made him edge Lord Badass. Like, rail. Like, I just want to suck my dick. Essentially, like, he did. He did. He did lean into it.
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Top Lobster
Now, that being said, I have some. I just want some big Amazonian to suck my dick while I sniff their farts. That was his M.O. essentially.
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David Lee Corbeau
It sounds so bad.
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Luke Madrid
All right, let's say you're. Let's say you're not you and you're like, okay, I hear what I hear. I hear like, do what that will should be the whole of the law. I want some of that. I want to join the evil people. And then you go over and you go over to Aleister Crowley school and they spend the next six or seven years beating it out of you. They're like, it doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean that. It, it's, it's crazy. Do what thou will. It should be. The whole of the law is like you, like the, the next step of that knowledge is you are not allowed to do anything but what your true will says. Like, you're, you can only do what God tells you. So actually what you're describing is closer to Levay and Satanism. If you want that, go over to Levain Satanism. That's. Go do what the you want.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, that's, that's.
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Luke Madrid
Aleister Crowley is like, you have to read these abstruse manuals and chant upside down and read angel math and pray to God for six months. Like, it's a lot of Christiany stuff. A lot of people get tossed out of it because it is so not do what you want, which is worth throwing out there. I just have to represent. I'm not saying they don't have orgies. I'm not saying Jack Parsons didn't lean into that a little bit, but it's not.
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David Lee Corbeau
This is what, this is what we're here for. A lot of people do get upset by, like, when you talk about certain subjects, but if you're not correctly understanding these subjects, then how are you supposed to, you know, parse through them or really know what know up from down.
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Luke Madrid
So, yeah, truly, Levain, Satanism and Rayleighism are much, much more. Do what the hell you want, do whatever you want. Crowley was a bit more of a nerd, to be honest.
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David Lee Corbeau
This is, this is like the Sam Tripley arguing with. I don't know if you, you listen to Tim fool hat, but he's constantly arguing with his booker, Mark, where Mark takes your stance and same triple. He's like, no, this guy's the worst. And they're just like, yeah, yeah. I'm like, I'm somewhere in between. I thought. I think he's kind of a dork Again, what, what these people are doing, the doors that they're opening. I, I don't, I don't know the correct answer as to should we be opening them, because they're certainly there, right? I guess people should open them, but I don't think you should necessarily trust what's on the other side because there's going to be a lot of going on and especially in these realms which we have no idea, like what inhabits them, what to do, what the rules are. But you know, people continue to go ahead and do what they will. I suppose.
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Luke Madrid
I, I think I. It's great you brought up Sam Tripley. I didn't know that his book, his bookie person, they have like a little disagreement here. It's funny.
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David Lee Corbeau
Oh, they're constantly fighting. It's. It's beautiful.
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Luke Madrid
I love it. That's great. And that's kind of what we do on our show too. Like there's some people that just hate all Alistair Crowley. I have like hardcore Christians. I have like, you know, super woke witchy demon worshiper people. I got like. Then you're like really serious stoic. Like you know, I just pray and do my weird wizard stuff. Like we got all sorts of people.
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David Lee Corbeau
Yeah, I mean, listen, that's like this is what we're doing here on the show as well. We making friends. We made friends with these guys, the. From the Occult Rejects. And they're former. The, the main guy is a former OTO member, so.
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Luke Madrid
Awesome.
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David Lee Corbeau
Yeah, exactly. I'm like, why would I not want to hear what this guy has to say? It's, it's ridiculous. He's bringing a wealth of knowledge. Like whether I apply it to what I'm doing is a, that's a different story. But yeah, I certainly want to talk to these people.
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Luke Madrid
Well, it's interesting if you really get into the Thelema thing, it can be argued at least on our show, because not all thelemites agree on everything. It's. It's of my opinion that it's, it's much more profitable to study Thelema by learning about ancient Egypt because it was a dead ancient Egyptian priest who brought the wisdom. And the wisdom of ancient Egypt is very. Not about evil. It's. It's very much about good. And some of the edgelord, like gothic inverse pentagram, fake blood stuff in Philema kind of like falls away when you like go back to those wisdom teachings of Egypt, which is the same things that inspired the wisdom traditions of Greece, which we consider classical. So. Well, that's just. So that's super nerdy and not very interesting. But still, you know, would you consider.
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David Lee Corbeau
It as like a, A modern form of. Not modern. From an ancient form of like satanic panic?
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Luke Madrid
That's an interesting way to put it. Oh, I have weird things to say about the satanic panic as well. I mean, we saw the satanic panic happen when some folks at Bohemian Grove got caught trafficking and bad VHS tapes. And then it seems like anytime the elite get caught doing something evil, they go and they blame it on, like, school teachers and, like, poor people and women and stuff. And they're like, oh, they're the ones doing the evil satanic stuff, not us. You know what I mean? So, I don't know. I have some nuance to use on all that. I guess what I'm getting at is the big takeaway from all of this is that we probably are moving into a new age. And if you take it at what it's telling you, it's basically saying, like, if we walk into the new age with our blinders on, if we just walk blindly and follow our impulses, if we don't become smarter, better, wiser people. Or let's take Christians, for example. If we don't follow Christ, then we're going to fall into a world that's owned by a technocratic elite that owns everything we own. Nothing. They watch everything we do, everything we say. They tell us what to think. They have complete control over our bodies and everything. It's a black iron prison. It's total control. Or we can become, you know, we can come to know Christ. We can be saved by Christ. If you're a Christian or if you're an occultist, you can get to know your holy guardian angel and follow the dictates of your true will or whatever, you can become a better person. And only collectively, once we all decide to be better people and more informed, enlightened people, Are we going to be able to turn all this high technology into something good. But it holds the promise of a golden age. But it's going to be bad first. That's the problem. That's what all the science fiction tells us is like we have to overcome this weird evil darkness that's lingering from the old age before we can embrace the promises of the new age. I think there's probably some truth to that. And I would imagine that there's probably a lot of different factions and groups on the earth that are trying to be the ones to decide how that all unfolds.
- [115:00]
David Lee Corbeau
Basically, yeah, there's definitely a. There's a push and pull. There's a tug of somebody. Somebody once told me, like, you know, this. This empire is crumbling. Start building what you like to see in its stead. And, yeah, the people have certainly been working at this for a while. Some People, I think, are working to crumble it so they can build. And that's like, this is the really nefarious part. We're talking about the Jews or whatever that are creating biblical prophecy in order to possibly, you know, force the return of Christ or at least make it look this way in order for them to build what they want to see in its stead. But it also says, you know, my people perish for a lack of knowledge. So I guess, yeah, man, I don't know. The question is like, how much knowledge do we really need to traverse this realm? How much do we want to attain? And how much, how much can you actually attain as a human being before you're, you're looking into the abyss and you become it?
- [116:01]
Luke Madrid
Yeah, I mean ultimately, reason be damned for a dog. It's not about something you can intellectualize. There's a non rational, do I say spiritual, heart based, non linear irrational aspect of reality that is at the base of everything. Like you can't, I don't think you can mathematize everything. I don't think you can subject everything to reason and rationality. I think there's like an infinite factor or there's like a spark of God or you know, there's the light of Christ or something that allows us some semblance of goodness and autonomy in our lives and we have to fight it being snuffed out essentially. And you know, infuse, I mean, isn't this is like what we see in a lot of these films is like at some point the protagonist like gives himself to the world and like changes the world like Neo at the end of the Matrix or even the protagonist in Dark City or I'm sure there's others. I still haven't beat metal gear solid 5, so I don't really know what happens to Big Boss, but I'm gonna assume it's something similar.
- [117:13]
David Lee Corbeau
No spoilers, people. Well, listen man, sorry, go ahead.
- [117:19]
Luke Madrid
I avoided spoilers for the Sopranos for like, like, like 10, 15 years or something. Like how old is the Sopranos? Nobody spoiled it for me, to be honest.
- [117:28]
David Lee Corbeau
I still haven't seen it and I haven't seen any spoilers. So it must be a good film because people are not spoiling it and they're about to do it in the chat if you let them. But we're. We're at the two hour mark and it looks like Raven is. He texted me his, his Internet just completely went out on him. So up. Let's bring it in for a landing. Let the people Know again where they can find you. And again, thank you for coming on. This has been. I got. I'm gonna have to re. Listen to this episode because this is dense with knowledge.
- [117:54]
Top Lobster
This is.
- [117:54]
David Lee Corbeau
This was a black belt episode where if you. If you're new to this show, you're not going to be able to pick up. You have to watch, like, a bunch of stuff beforehand to really understand what was going on here. But let them know. Let the people know where they can find you and where they can. Where's the best place to listen to your stuff? Again?
- [118:12]
Luke Madrid
The best place is on Spotify. If you just type the whole rabbit, it'll come right up. If you type whole rabbit into Google to come right up. Or in Apple podcasts, we're on Stitcher on pretty much anything, wherever podcasts are served. And we have our first hour for free. And if you want the second hour, you pay me at least five bucks on our Patreon. And once you sign in, it'll go directly to your Spotify. So you can just listen right from Spotify from then on. And we're on Twitter. You know, we have a really diverse audience. So you're. This audience has people from every side of the political spectrum. We have people that love Trump. We have people that hate Trump. We have, you know, we have transgender people that are vocal. We have people that. That. That think the whole transgender thing is, you know, you know, brainwashing. Like, we have. We have very diverse audience, so we ask each come hang out, you know, come join the. The party. And dude, thank you so much for having me on the show. This show sounds really cool, and I'm happy we got into some of the deeper cuts, because that's the stuff I like to talk about. And you guys really came prepared. You're like, yeah, dude, we talk about all this deep all the time.
- [119:16]
David Lee Corbeau
You know, thanks, man. Listen, thank you for coming prepared as well.
- [119:20]
Top Lobster
We'll.
- [119:20]
David Lee Corbeau
We'll have you back on again now that you're on our radar. The fans want to know what's up with your headphones. And I am. I. I'm gonna ask you to tell them no. Like, just don't tell them anything. If you're okay with it. Are you okay without. With giving them no. No explanation.
- [119:38]
Luke Madrid
It's essentially a device that I put on my ear so I can hear what the Illuminati are telling me. You know, like, it's got, like, Joe Biden and Barack Obama telling me what to say in here and George Soros, all that. And I think Klaxor. Klaxor from the rings of Saturn. That's it. Yeah, it's my connection to the. They tell me what to think and what to say, so.
- [120:02]
David Lee Corbeau
Perfect. All right, that's a. That's a satisfactory answer. Guys. Until next time, don't forget to obey, submit and comply. See you later.
- [120:09]
Luke Madrid
We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians.