145: Top Gets Crushed in Heated Debate on Israel w/ Donnie Darkened

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad - Episode 145: Top Gets Crushed in Heated Debate on Israel w/ Donnie Darkened

Podcast Information:

• Title: Nephilim Death Squad
• Host/Author: TopLobsta Productions
• Description: Exploring conspiracies through a Biblical lens with TopLobsta and Raven, featuring engaging conversations on diverse topics.
• Episode: 145: Top Gets Crushed in Heated Debate on Israel w/ Donnie Darkened
• Release Date: March 31, 2025

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Introduction

In Episode 145 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts Top Lobsta and David Lee Corbo (also known as the Raven) engage in a passionate and contentious debate with guest Donnie Darkened. The episode delves deep into topics surrounding Israel, Jewish identity, biblical prophecies, and the influence of modern movements like the Truther and New Age communities. The conversation is marked by intense exchanges, differing interpretations of scripture, and strong opinions on contemporary socio-political issues.

Guest Introduction: Donnie Darkened

[02:01] Top Lobster welcomes Donnie Darkened back to the show, expressing appreciation for his insights and contributions. Donnie introduces himself and directs listeners to his work on X.com (@donnie.darkened), emphasizing the abundance of information available through his highlights.

Notable Quote:

• Donnie Darkened [00:06]: "We are being hypnotized by people like this."

Rise of Anti-Jewish Narratives on Social Media

The discussion kicks off with an examination of the surge in anti-Jewish rhetoric on platforms like Twitter (now X). Top references a tweet he made on January 20 predicting that Kanye West would amplify these sentiments, citing West's controversial statements and actions during the Super Bowl as evidence of a manufactured narrative against Jews.

Notable Quotes:

• Top Lobster [05:48]: "I was able to call that move because this is manufactured."
• Donnie Darkened [06:48]: "Your intuition was spot on."

Nazi Occultism and Biblical Prophecy

Donnie elaborates on the historical connection between Nazi expeditions to Tibet, the pursuit of Aryan myths, and their alignment with Gnostic and New Age ideologies. He argues that these movements are deeply rooted in occult beliefs that distort biblical truths, equating Israel's actions with Old Testament apostasy.

Notable Quotes:

• Donnie Darkened [09:44]: "There is nothing new under the sun."
• Donnie Darkened [10:26]: "The Nazis sought in Tibet to confirm all this."

The Scofield Bible's Influence on Modern Christianity

A significant portion of the debate focuses on the Scofield Bible, a study Bible with commentary that Donnie claims has subverted traditional Christian teachings. He accuses it of promoting Christian Zionism, prioritizing Israel over American interests, and fostering a narrative that aligns with Zionist agendas.

Notable Quotes:

• Donnie Darkened [35:35]: "It's a Rothschild funded Bible that subverted most of Christianity."
• Top Lobster [36:09]: "It created an entire generation of pastors that prioritize Israel over America."

Corporate Election vs. Individual Salvation

Donnie introduces the concept of corporate election, emphasizing that God's chosenness of Israel is for His purposes rather than individual salvation. He references Romans 9-11 to illustrate how God's sovereignty plays a crucial role in the unfolding of biblical prophecy, asserting that the current turmoil among Jews and Gentiles is part of divine judgment and eventual redemption.

Notable Quotes:

• Donnie Darkened [67:00]: "Romans 9-11 talks about how the Jews are chosen by God for His purposes."
• Donnie Darkened [82:09]: "God is sovereign and has an overarching plan."

Harlot of Babylon: Apostate Jerusalem

The hosts and Donnie discuss the biblical metaphor of the "harlot of Babylon," identifying it as apostate Jerusalem. They analyze passages from Revelation, Isaiah, and Ezekiel to argue that modern Jerusalem represents spiritual apostasy and betrayal of God's covenant, leading to its judgment by the nations.

Notable Quotes:

• Donnie Darkened [78:41]: "The harlot is apostate Jerusalem."
• Donnie Darkened [84:39]: "The great city is identified as Jerusalem."

New Age and Truther Movements as Instruments of Deception

Donnie posits that the New Age and Truther movements are deliberate deceptions orchestrated by Satan under God's permission to fulfill divine judgment. He contends that these movements distort biblical truths, turning individuals away from true worship of God towards anti-Semitic and conspiratorial ideologies.

Notable Quotes:

• Donnie Darkened [49:15]: "The New Age is the spiritual arm of Satan's agenda."
• Donnie Darkened [85:43]: "The Truther movement leads people into the arms of the New Age awakening deception."

Action and Response: Internal Purification vs. External Conflict

The debate intensifies as the hosts discuss how Christians should respond to these deceptions. Donnie advocates for internal purification, focusing on walking in the spirit and adhering to God's commands rather than engaging in external conflicts against perceived enemies. Top, however, believes in actively resisting corruption within the church and society, emphasizing the need for a guided truth to counteract widespread deception.

Notable Quotes:

• Donnie Darkened [76:04]: "It's about being faithful and trusting God's plan."
• Top Lobster [76:18]: "We need meaningful pushback to resist corruption."

Concluding Thoughts and Reflections

As the episode nears its end, both sides acknowledge the complexity of the issues discussed. While Donnie emphasizes trusting in God's sovereign plan and the importance of internal spiritual discipline, Top stresses the necessity of confronting and resisting external corruption and manipulation within modern institutions. The conversation remains unresolved, highlighting the deep ideological rifts and differing interpretations of biblical prophecy.

Notable Quotes:

• Donnie Darkened [119:34]: "Study the word. Be in the word. Walk in the spirit and you'll be good."
• Top Lobster [119:49]: "We are not spiritual entities. We are human beings."

Key Takeaways

• Manufactured Narratives: The episode explores the idea that anti-Jewish sentiments and conspiracy theories are manufactured by powerful elites and amplified by influential figures like Kanye West to fulfill biblical prophecies.

• Biblical Interpretation: A central theme is the interpretation of biblical texts, particularly Romans 9-11 and Revelation, to understand the role of Israel and the coming judgment on apostate Jerusalem.

• Influence of Occultism: The discussion links Nazi occultism and New Age movements to a broader deception against true biblical teachings, suggesting these are tools used in divine judgment.

• Responses to Deception: The hosts and guest diverge on how Christians should respond—Donnie advocates for internal spiritual focus, while Top calls for active resistance against corruption.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Donnie Darkened [00:06]: "We are being hypnotized by people like this."

• Top Lobster [05:48]: "I was able to call that move because this is manufactured."

• Donnie Darkened [09:44]: "There is nothing new under the sun."

• Donnie Darkened [35:35]: "It's a Rothschild funded Bible that subverted most of Christianity."

• Donnie Darkened [78:41]: "The harlot is apostate Jerusalem."

• Donnie Darkened [85:43]: "The Truther movement leads people into the arms of the New Age awakening deception."

• Donnie Darkened [119:34]: "Study the word. Be in the word. Walk in the spirit and you'll be good."

• Top Lobster [119:49]: "We are not spiritual entities. We are human beings."

Conclusion

Episode 145 of Nephilim Death Squad presents a fervent debate on Israel, Jewish identity, and biblical prophecy, highlighting the clash between internal spiritual focus and external societal resistance. While Donnie Darkened emphasizes trusting in God's sovereign plan and avoiding engagement in worldly conflicts, Top Lobster underscores the need for active resistance against institutional corruption and manipulation. The episode serves as a thought-provoking exploration of complex theological and socio-political issues, inviting listeners to critically assess their own beliefs and responses.

Transcript

[David Lee Corbo]

What's gonna happen?

[Top Lobster]

Top Lobster Productions.

[Donnie Discerned]

We are being hypnotized by people like this.

[Top Lobster]

Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers.

[Donnie Discerned]

We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people.

[Top Lobster]

The chasm between what we're told is.

[Donnie Discerned]

Going on and what is really going.

[Top Lobster]

On is absolutely enorm.

[Donnie Discerned]

Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like we all know what's going.

[Donnie Discerned]

Down but no one's saying what happened.

[David Lee Corbo]

To the home of the brave?

[Donnie Discerned]

They control this now when no one's talking about how they made us finally slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the closet Wanna wake up to a dead in the grave finally too late we need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in the air.

[David Lee Corbo]

Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we introduce today's guests, I would like to remind all of our live viewers that this is a 30 minute preview only. Sometime around the 30 minute mark, we'll be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad where you can continue enjoying an ad free viewing experience, tagging in in the chat and also gaining access to the episode before the general public does. And you can do it all free. That's right, guys. Sign up for a seven day free trial. Try to absorb as much content as you can and then kick rocks before the billing cycle kicks in. But I bet you you can't do it because we have a lot of backlog content. So if you're looking for more NDs, patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad is the place for you. All right, guys, we are officially welcoming back Donnie Discerned. It has been quite a while since we talked to Donnie, but a lot of what we talked about in these.

[Top Lobster]

Previous episodes, I just realized I misspelled his name. Donnie darkened. I wrote again. It's just like one of these force. I'm so sorry. Here, here we go. You're good.

[David Lee Corbo]

Naming him.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I'm dead naming.

[David Lee Corbo]

Very sorry, Donnie, but welcome back, Dottie. Let everybody know before we get into this conversation where they can find your work because you do quite a bit of work and there's a lot of fascinating information that you find put out there. Where can people find it?

[Donnie Discerned]

Quite a bit of work. I feel Like, I'm, I, I have so much work I still need to do. Like, I feel like I'm not doing enough work. But. But you can find me on x.com@donnie. It's at Donnie Darkened. But it, you know, it's Donnie Discerned. And you'll. You can find. Go to my highlights and you can just see so much information. There's probably like, hours of. Of stuff. Just go to my highlights and just start reading because that's like, all the important stuff. I think. I think if you just. If you just read my highlights, everything will make sense about what's really unfolding that virtually nobody seems to be talking about. And no one has really offered me a good challenge, you know, to, to what I'm saying specifically about the unfolding deception that I believe is playing out right now. But, yeah, that's where you can find me. And thanks for having me on.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, absolutely. I think something useful for you here is maybe take your highlights, all of this stuff, make it. Put it into a word file, feed it through AI and see what you can get. See what you can cram it down into. Maybe it could give your page a little, A nice little summary and get people in to see what you're doing.

[David Lee Corbo]

He does a great job of actually using what you're supposed to use the highlights for. All I do is algo boosting, where I'll say something that is not of value to anyone and then I'll retweet my own thing and then I'll highlight it so that it kind of boosts the algorithm. And there's a way. But if you go to my highlights, then it's literally like all I've highlighted is just the insane ramblings of a partially schizophrenic man on X. So not very useful. Unlike yours, which you've actually used the function to catalog your work, which I'm a big fan of. So, yeah, you click on that little highlights button and you get all those different breakdowns. That's a, That's a good way of doing that.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's, that's kind of how I've been using it just because, like, there's just a lot of information and I think the highlights is, Is really cool. I don't think enough people know about highlights, though. But yeah, that's. That's a huge one.

[David Lee Corbo]

I, you know, I, I honestly think it will get off this in a second. But, but X, it's a great platform for what it is. It's my favorite Platform, because I think it is the closest to culture, probably because, you know, Elon's manufacturing culture. But there's a lot of, like, you know, sort of apparatus that's missing from the app. I would love to see, like, a catalog for. For live. I mean, not for live, for. For video content. You know, we can stuff there because it just. He doesn't have a. A system for that. But speaking of. Of X, Donnie, we were talking behind the scenes before we started the show, and I don't know, I mean, we don't have to stay here, but I think it's a good launching pad for the conversation. And that is that the last time we spoke, we. We spoke quite a bit about this. This jq, right, this idea that suddenly there's an explosion of expert level Jew noticers, and. And these people are doing a fair bit of blaming the Jews for every single thing that ails them. And since we've talked last time, that narrative has exploded in a massive way. And maybe we could start with this. It's something that I've been talking about, and you might find it kind of fun. On January 20, we had reached such a critical mass in the narrative of Jew. Noticing that, I said, if this is, in fact manufactured, we might expect to see a big creator, a big influencer come out and push it a little bit further over the edge, right? Where it's like the average people on X will take the conversation so far, and then somebody influential will come and kick the ball even further down the field. And so what I said was, it is time for Kanye west to reemerge. That's the exact tweet that I put out there on January 20th. And then, lo and behold, just before the super bowl happens, Kanye west, you know, takes Twitter by storm, takes X by storm once again, and starts just spewing all kinds of insane, unhinged tweets. But among those insane, unhinged tweets, which, you know, honestly are a lot of fun to me, he starts to really hammer the Jew thing. And this all comes to a head when he takes out ad space on the super bowl, promotes his website, and then removes all other merchandise off of his website except for a T shirt with a swastika on it. And so, man, I mean, it's hard for me to look at that any other way except for I was able to call that move because this is manufactured. Do you have any thoughts on that, Donnie?

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, I would say that your intuition was spot on. I think that this stuff like this can be misinterpreted even by a lot of people that follow my work. And you know, a lot of people when they, when they say it's manufactured, they mean in like it's, it's a, it's a man manufactured thing, you know that it's, you know that really it's the cabal manufacturing this. And, and again this is the thing that I've been saying a lot recently about the Truther movement, right, which is fundamentally a New age movement, it always has been, is that they miss the bigger picture because they don't. They always trace everything back to some man, some group, some secret society. But they're not thinking about how God is actually the one who's sovereign, how he's the one who uses the hearts of human leaders, both righteous and wicked, to accomplish his overarching purposes, right? And this is the reason why, you know, the New Age Truther movement, you know, they believe they're fighting an evil force that's hiding secret knowledge from us and using the ignorance of humanity to enslave us, right? That's the truth or narrative. And the more down the rabbit hole you go, right? You take the red pill and the more down the rabbit hole you go, you start to learn what this knowledge or what this gnosis is. And that's what Gnosticism is. It's the revealing of the hidden knowledge that's been suppressed by this, these dark forces in their view, right, which they equate to as the God of the Bible as Yahweh and the Jews, right, His chosen people. That's why they say the Jews, their God is Satan. Their God is Satan. And the same way the Gnostics say that Yahweh is Satan and this whole true New age truther deception is Satan gathering the nations, preparing them for Armageddon where they will fight against, you know, against Yahweh, right? Which is will be, you know, Christ returning to establish his reign. And the world will see it as, you know, the culmination of the Zionist New world order. And, and that's exactly why the New age, like Alice Bailey in her books, in her book Raise An Initiation says that every evil of the world can be traced back to the lying machinations of the Zionists, right? And where did Alice Bailey get all of her teachings from? From an ascended, a quote unquote ascended master named Dual Cool. And if you look at that picture of him, he, it's like a, he's like a Tibetan.

[David Lee Corbo]

How would you even begin to spell that?

[Donnie Discerned]

D W A A L or K H U U, L? Pretty sure, yeah. Dwell. Cool. Why don't you pull up a picture of Dwell? Cool. Where this.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I gotta see the picture now. What was that last name?

[Donnie Discerned]

Cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

How would you spell that?

[Donnie Discerned]

K, H, U, U, L. I'm like 95. Sure that's how you spell it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interesting.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm already getting pictures of. Of. Is this Master Blavatsky's face associated with this? And. Yeah. Okay, I'm getting images of them now. Top, do you want me to pull this up real quick?

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay. Boom. There you go. He's very much like an ascended Buddhist monk master kind of visage.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay.

[Donnie Discerned]

Tibet. Tibet is where a lot of this stuff comes from. And it's no coincidence that the Nazis led several expeditions to Tibet. Why? To discover the lost secrets of the ancient civilization of Shambhala, where the Aryan race had divine authority. And it's a counterfeit of God's kingdom. And that's exactly why the Nazis talked about the Thousand Year Reich, because it's a counterfeit of Christ's Thousand Year Reich. And that's also exactly why Hitler and his associates, you know, were working behind the scenes to subvert Christianity. And with positive Christianity, which seek to de Judaize the faith, removing its Jewish roots in favor of that ancient Aryan externalization of the hierarchy New age spirit, which is, you know, pagan. Right. It's a neo Aryan, pagan occult religion. Right. And that's exactly why, you know, pull up, pull up real quick. The Nazi. Nazis in Tibet.

[David Lee Corbo]

Nazis in Tibet.

[Donnie Discerned]

Let me see what to do here.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is fascinating too, because the Nazis in Paris.

[Top Lobster]

Here we go.

[David Lee Corbo]

We've been talking about it a lot how Alice Bailey with the. Along with the works of Blavatsky, determined that 2025 was going to be the end of this, like, golden age. Right? That was the. The expression that they used, even the Golden Age. And I believe they thought it was like the age of Aquarius. But it's just fascinating that Donald Trump is using that language right now.

[Top Lobster]

They're saying they tried to trace the Aryan race myth back to in Tibet. So they believe that it came from Tibet. Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, Top, I was really confused because you made me type in Nazis in Paris and I'm like, yeah, I could see Tibet.

[Top Lobster]

There we go.

[David Lee Corbo]

In Tibet. Okay.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes. And, you know, Tibet is where a lot of these mystery schools come from. Right. And the idea here is that, you know, this, this the Aryan myth that, you know, BBC talks about, it's really a. It's really a gnostic, occult New age thing where you know, they believe that the Aryan race was, you know, on the top of the hierarchy. Over this. Over. Over, you know, this. The spiritual. The spiritual dimension. In the same way that, you know, Yahweh chose the Jews to reveal himself. Right. Well, in this way, you know, the pagan. The occult gods. Right, the gods of the nations, you know, pass this information to the Aryan race. And, you know, and that's ultimately what the Nazis sought in Tibet was to confirm all this. If you look at Himmler, you know, all the stuff he believed, and you have a lot of people saying, well, the Nazis were Christian. It's like, yeah, no, they weren't. They weren't really Christian. They were using Christianity as a facade, as a veneer in order to, you know, push their agenda and gain power.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Donnie Discerned]

And we see that same thing happening today.

[Top Lobster]

Just to clarify, because this episode started again with us having another contention about Jews or Israel on Twitter. And then you're like, we should talk about it. And I was like, all right, let's talk. So then, you know, we dm. But just recently, I was on Stu Peters show, and I guess you know who he is. And towards the end of that, I gave him very hard pushback on, because it was like, I agree with a lot of the stuff that he's saying about what the current Jews are doing now. Not good. If you look at what some of them are doing now and you say, hey, this is cool. I don't really know what to tell you, dude. Not cool. It's. Some of it's borderline satanic evil.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

But then he's like, and that's why Hitler was cool. And I was like, actually, no. And then I.

[David Lee Corbo]

Such a jump, such a leap.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. I was like, we went down this exact path. And I was like, you know, Hitler was an occultist. He was tied into a bunch of different things. Why was he giving speeches from the Pergamon. The sea?

[David Lee Corbo]

No, that's Jewish deception.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Well, the interview ended shortly after that. Like, he didn't want to really talk about that. And I was like, that's fine, that's fine. But, like, you need to do a little bit more research into what he was doing. Because. Just because. And don't get me wrong, maybe back then in Weimar Germany, the Jews were doing the same thing that they were doing in America. Maybe they were the face of it at least, and it was corrupting their society. So there is reason for the rise of Hitler. But it doesn't mean that this guy was correct. It doesn't mean that he's actually doing.

[Donnie Discerned]

The right thing or, or more importantly, that he was from the spirit of God. And I think that's correct. The big thing. And here's the thing. Do I believe God was using Hitler? Absolutely. God absolutely used Hitler for what? It was another culmination of the cycle of death judgment on the tribes of Judah and Israel. And that's exactly what we see throughout history. Them being disobedient, them rebelling God, using the wicked nations to discipline and punish them, to ultimately restore them. And right now we are in the time of the Gentiles, where the gospel is going out to the Gentiles. And when that breaches its full, like Romans 11 says, then we will see the final judgment, this final cycle of judgment and restoration. And hit. And. And I absolutely believe that God used Hitler in his. In his wickedness to, you know, to regather, you know, the nation, the national Israel, not in righteousness, but still in rebellion, still in apostasy. That's why it's the harlot.

[Top Lobster]

Because I don't, I don't think that these are the same people. This, this is the problem here that.

[Donnie Discerned]

I want to get into this too. I want to get into the Khazarian theory as well.

[Top Lobster]

It's not necessarily Khaz. I just don't think that even when we're talking about Judaism being the foundation of Christianity, I disagree with you wholeheartedly, depending on your definition of what Judaism is. Because what these people practice in Israel, well, the ones that aren't atheist sodomites, what they're practicing is a new form of Judaism. It's like a rabbinic Judaism that was created 500 to 200 years after the death of Christ. So this is a response to Christianity. So when Ben Shapiro walks around with his little hat talking about Judeo Christian values. Absolutely not. That's why I'm very hard against this. Like, get out of here with that. That's complete nonsense. This was a re. A refutation of what Christ did. Now, if we're talking about the original Judaism, where we're talking about the Torah and the people that follow that, the descendants of Abraham and Moses, that's way different. Whatever Jesus was talking, they called him Rabbi. That means teacher. But he certainly wasn't a rabbi in whatever temple these people were talking about.

[Donnie Discerned]

Now, here's a good question for you. Yes, I have a really good question for you. In the Old Testament, when the Jew, when the Jews worshiped Bao, were they no longer. What would you say? The same thing applies then than now, when they.

[Top Lobster]

What would be the same thing?

[David Lee Corbo]

Their practices are, are not in alignment. And.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah. When they were worshiping BAAL in the Old Testament, did God. Did God abandon them?

[Top Lobster]

My question is, are these even the same people? I don't know.

[Donnie Discerned]

Now, now, here's the question. Now, now, let's be specific. Do you mean genetically or do you mean like, like religiously?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's a good question.

[Donnie Discerned]

Well, religiously. Well, religiously, yes. They are in rebellion, just like they were in the Old Testament. Right? It's nothing. There's nothing new under the sun. And, and this is, and this is the big thing. And this is why I think a lot of truthers really miss the, the bigger picture here is that like Ecclesiastes, chapter 1, verse 9 says there is nothing new under the sun. What has happened will happen again. What will. What has been done will be done again. And we are witnessing cyclical events. What's happening now is no different than what happened in the Old Testament where, where, you know, they, they rebelled against God, they worshiped foreign gods, they twisted his teachings. And what happened he Discipline, purification and redemption. And then what happened again? Disobedience, rebellion, apostasy, worshiping foreign gods. What happened next? Discipline, purification, redemption. What happened next? And it's all foreshadowing the ultimate culmination of these things in the last days. And if you say, and if you say, well, this actually isn't happening, what we're seeing now is something totally new. You know, it's, it's not that there's, you know, this is a new thing under the sun. This is, this, this is something that has never happened before. That's where it's like, well, hold on a second. You know. You know, and this is why I say it takes a biblical world view to understand it, right? Because someone like David, Ike, right, You know, you know, he says the, the same exact thing. You know, these are Jews. These are, you know, they're actually. Well, he says that the Reptilians and that, you know, they're archons and that Yahweh is the top archon. But this is exactly the deception, right? Is that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Can I interject, Donnie? I'm sorry. I have something in my mind right now. So when the Bible in, in Revelation 3. 9, which has become, you know, very. Right. And so my main highlight here is that the Bible is seeking to differentiate between the Jews and then people that are claiming to be Jews but are really of the synagogue of Satan.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. I mean, listen, if, you know, the power of, of this lineage. And even if you're from it partially, wouldn't you be just tripping all over yourself to claim it? And what it looks like to me, the last, I don't know, hundred years of foreign policy that we've been at least 80 years of foreign policy that we've been privy to, it looks like just a, it looks like a manufacturing of end times prophecy. Everything that we've been going through, like giving, giving them the state of Israel, going through this entire cleansing.

[Donnie Discerned]

But isn't that exactly what David but isn't that exactly what gnostic antichrists like David Ike say?

[Top Lobster]

So what? Isn't that what's happening?

[Donnie Discerned]

But, but why, but why? The question is why? Why are Christians saying the same thing that people who believe the God of the Bible is the enemy of mankind? Why? Because the new age wants you to believe that what's happening is a manufactured set of prophecies that are man made. And the people, the cabal that are manufacturing these things are taking instruction from an evil false God, the God of Israel. And that, you know, and that what's happening isn't actually biblical prophecy, right? But rather that the Bible is, is, is merely, is merely the script in which these evil archons are using to enslave humanity.

[Top Lobster]

And that's why I say the God of Israel again. So like, let's get into definitions. What, what is the God of Yahweh?

[Donnie Discerned]

Yahweh, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[Top Lobster]

I disagree with you. But right now, like I understand the definition, the biblical definition of what you're saying right now, that doesn't seem to be the case. It seems, what seems to be the case is that they have taken their Talmudic, the, the Babylon, sorry, the Talmudic Babylon or however you say it, the Babylonian Talmud, right, And the, the Mishnah. And they have created their own new set of rules and laws afterward. And they are doing, I'm not exactly sure what they're doing, but I'm pretty clear, it's pretty clear to me that the New Testament is the new covenant. This is the God that I worship, is the one true God. This is the one that they were worshiping before all this stuff happened. I don't know who they're worshiping now because I'm looking at the results of what they're producing. And what they produce is not the results. They're not, they're not bearing the fruit of worshiping the same God as me. So I don't know what's the whole point over there.

[Donnie Discerned]

Well, that's the whole point, is that they're, they're, they're, they're apostate. They're, they're the harlot, right? That's the entire point that I'm making, is that the Jews are going through their cycle of following false gods, of rebelling against Yahweh, and that what God is doing is he's raising up the nations, right? Through the Gnostic deception, through the, the dwar cool teachings and all, you know, getting the world against who? The Zionists. Harlot Jerusalem. Harlot. Harlot Israel. Why? For the purposes of discipline and purification in preparation for Christ's return and reign, which I think is a lot closer than a lot of people think. And you know, we can get into timeline and we can get into the punishment periods of Judah and Israel.

[Top Lobster]

Let me ask you then, if. Because the question, like, I agree with you on so much stuff, but then the question is, whenever I'm seeing these things and then I decide to speak about it, are we not like. So we're supposed to watch these people run amok. We're supposed to watch these people rip down the idea of crisis King. And I understand that that's being used as like, you know, some people are using it as a battering ram. But I think that, I think that what bothers them the most is that we're saying it at all. I think it's like a knife in their side. And then if they can use it and say it's anti Semitic, great. Whatever you can do to, to twist it around and get, just get people to stop saying it. And this seems like what they're doing. So we're not supposed to oppose these people at all. We're just supposed to let them run, run all over.

[Donnie Discerned]

The question is how we do it. There's a way that the world does things. But if you're of the world, you will follow the world. But if you're set apart from the world, you will walk in the spirit. And this is where the deception becomes a tool in God's sovereign plan. To do what? To sift through the wheat and the chaff. To sift. To separate the sheep and the goats. Those who've listened and those who've learned from his revealed word, and those who have followed in their instincts, trusted in their wicked hearts, and have followed the world in doing things in their flawed way. And this is the pattern, this is the thematic pattern we see over and over again, especially in old Israel.

[Top Lobster]

But what they're doing, what, what you have what these people are doing.

[Donnie Discerned]

Here's my thing. Here's my thing. You keep saying what they're doing, what they're doing, what they're doing, but you're not asking what God's doing. This is the whole. This is the whole reason Truthers are missing the bigger picture about what's unfolding. Because the. The. The most that truthers can. Can think about is what they're doing, what the elites are doing, what the cabal is doing, what Babylon's doing. They can't think outside of that paradigm because.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, listen, What God is doing is he's given me a microphone and a platform to talk about this stuff, and he's given you one as well. So now we're going to talk about his.

[Donnie Discerned]

But what about his sovereign plan that he's outlined through his revealed word? Why is that never in account? Why is it always a human? Why. Why do. Right, so the purpose is people.

[Top Lobster]

What about his son, Donnie? What about his son that died for no reason? That the innocent. The most innocent person in the world. Yeah, no, no, listen, what I'm saying, he was murdered for why? No reason. I understand that, but. So now the message that he came and brought us, we're supposed to allow these people, the ones that killed them, we're supposed to allow them to question. No, no, because what they're doing is perverting the message. And. And they're doing it outright. They're. They're calling it. You know, what is this, like, Christian Zionism, they're calling it Again, no, whatever Ben Shapiro calls it, Judeo Christian values, this is a perversion. And I'm calling it out. I'm. So what I'm saying is that these two things have nothing to do with each other. These people, whoever they are. And I. Listen, I guess we can get into that conversation. I'm not really sure, but. No, no, there needs to be a delineation between what they are doing and what they are and what their intentions are. And I. I don't think God is okay with just sitting by allowing his son to be sacrificed.

[Donnie Discerned]

I have a question. Does God have power over what they're doing?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Donnie Discerned]

Okay. So. So what do you think? So why do you think he's allowing it?

[Top Lobster]

Is he allowing it? Because I'm sitting here pushing back, and there's a lot of other people pushing back on it. Finally. It wasn't allowed. It was just. People were too cowardice to. To speak against it because there's an entire mechanism that will slap you in the Head if you do talk against it.

[Donnie Discerned]

But hold on. But, but again, going. Again, going back to what I was saying. Do you see how everything is framed within the elites? Humanity, having the power, it's all under the framework that it's the. It's humanity that's in power. When the Bible clearly says that they know not what they're doing, none of the rulers understood it. Right? And if they're not, and if none of the rulers understood it back then, why. Why would they have so much sovereignty now? What's different about now? That gives them sovereignty, right, but in the Bible it says that they have no sovereignty. It's God who's sovereign, and he is allowing this to transfer to. To unfold for his purposes.

[Top Lobster]

So then, Donnie, why do you do. Why do you do what you do?

[Donnie Discerned]

I do what I do because I'm not trying. A lot of people make it out like I'm trying to fear monger. I'm not trying to fear monger at all. You either have fear of the world and worldly things and of the cabal and the elite and, and human. And human plans, or you have fear of the Lord, which is a reverent fear that, that puts his sovereignty first. Let's look at the. Let's look at Job, for example. Right? What did Job say when he was afflicted with every worldly, worldly problem that you. That anyone could have? He said, the Lord gives and the Lord takes away. He didn't say, satan took this away from me. He said the Lord did it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Didn't he say it was the. The Jews do this to me and then the Jews.

[Top Lobster]

That what he said.

[Donnie Discerned]

He said. He said it was the Jews and it was. I'm just kidding.

[Top Lobster]

I'm in complete agreement with you there. I'm not saying. I think the message.

[Donnie Discerned]

Can I just finish this? The whole, the whole, the whole job was a model. A lot of people read these Bible stories, but they don't see how it applies in their lives. They don't see how it applies corporately in the world today and throughout all time. Job was a model. He was a blueprint for how we are to respond to our tribulation. And the blessing he received for withstanding the trial is the. Is a foreshadow of the blessing that we will receive for withstanding our trial. And it's not to grow resentful for our worldly problems. It's not to cast blame like Eve and Adam casted blame on the serpent when confronted by God. Right? It's. It's it's in, it's in humbling ourselves. It's by acknowledging God's sovereignty and understanding that he is the one in control. And if you're pointing to the cabal as the manufacturers of human history, if you're pointing to some man or even Satan as the manufacturer of human events, you are giving him, you are giving Satan the power. And, and, and, and this is exactly what Satan is doing, right? He, Satan is very happy that the world believes that he's the one who's sovereign, that he's the one who controls these events. Satan is a pawn. If you read the Bible, Satan is never somebody who has complete autonomy and that can.

[David Lee Corbo]

He more or less keeps fulfilling prophecy that's to his detriment.

[Donnie Discerned]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean it's like over and over again Satan and, and the fallen, they fulfill prophecy that ends with them.

[Top Lobster]

But that's the, isn't that the difference between these entities and us? I mean we are allowed to I think, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

We have free will.

[Top Lobster]

I don't, I don't subscribe to this like a Calvinist worldview where like things.

[Donnie Discerned]

I'm not a Calvinist either. But let's. I know delineation. When the Bible talks about election, a lot of Calvinists misinterpret that to mean individual election from an effectual standpoint. But no election. When you read Romans 9 through 11, election is talking about corporate election meaning election of a group. And it doesn't mean salvific election either. It means elections for God for God's purposes. And Romans 9, 11, we can go through verse by verse if you'd like. But it talks about how the Jews were cho. Were chosen by God for the, because of the patriarchs, because of the covenant with the patriarchs. And that there is there that they are an elected group. Not that it doesn't mean that they're all saved. No, it means that God is using them for a purpose. What is that purpose? To reveal his character just and merciful. And that's exactly what we're seeing. God is using the Jews not to, not for the saints to cast blame on them. Like Romans 11 says the apostle Paul do not boast against the natural branches because you too can be cut off. Right? The whole point is meant to, for us to self reflect and see their rebellion as a mirror for our rebellion. God's justice on their rebellion, his wrath on their rebellion as a reflection, as a mirror for a warning for what happens to us when we rebel. And then his mercy, right, his mercy when even after being Disciplined even after rebelling, as a mirror for God's mercy on us. That's what they're chosen for. That's the. It's not that they're. It's not because. It's not that, oh, they're chosen. They're more righteous. They're. They're. They're going to be saved. That's not what that means. It means that they're cho. They're chosen to reveal who God is. And this is exactly what's happening right now. This is exactly what's happening. Through their rebellion, through their harding, through their spiritual blindness. Like Romans 11 says that it's temporary God. It says God put a spirit of stupor in them, eyes that cannot see, you know, until the fullness. Until the full inclusion of the Gentiles comes. We are in the age of the time of the Gentiles, where the gospel goes out to the Gentiles. Why? To make them jealous.

[Top Lobster]

They reveal. They revealed who God was by killing his son. And then the time of the Gentiles came shortly. They came right after. Like, I feel like that's already done. Who's.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes, exactly. And whose sovereign plan was it to. For. For. For. For the Jews to kill their own Messiah? Whose sovereign plan was it? And why? Was it Satan? Was it the Jews? It was God. This is why truth is a. Is a deception. This is why truth thereism is leading people into doing exactly what Adam and Eve did, into doing exactly what. What Israel did in the Old Testament when they rebelled. What are they doing that people are. Are following their hearts. They're following their natural inclinations. To do what? To rise up in judgment. Right? And that's exactly what God is doing. Everybody wants to be an instrument of God's judgment. And the ironic part is, is that they will be. They will be. You will be a vessel of wrath. You will be a tool of God's judgment. But then judgment will come upon you. Look at the plagues in Zechariah 14:12, you know, given to the armies that surrounded Jerusalem, that besieged Jerusalem in the last days right before Christ returns. It says that their eyes rots in their. In their sockets, their tongue rots in their mouths. What are these plagues? That. These are the same plagues talked about in Revelation. And the plagues of Exodus was a foreshadow of that, just like how God used Pharaoh. It says that God hardened Pharaoh.

[Top Lobster]

God, what kind of judgment do you think happens to the people who have let the church be subverted by the Scofield Bible and by Judeo Christian values.

[Donnie Discerned]

The Scofield Bible. Tell me what you know about the Schofield Bible.

[Top Lobster]

I know it's a Jewish trap, dude. Listen, what I do know. I'll tell you. We'll tell. We'll talk about the modern church. Right now, you can go into any modern church, most of them.

[Donnie Discerned]

I want to talk about the Scofield Bible.

[Top Lobster]

There'll be an American flag flying right next to an Israeli flag.

[Donnie Discerned]

Let's. Let's start from the.

[Top Lobster]

I'd like to know why. Okay, well, tell me about it.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, let's start. Let's start from the. From the foundation, right? Let's. Let's. Let's start from the bottom and we'll work our way up. Tell me about the Scofield Bible.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, you tell me.

[Donnie Discerned]

Well, I mean, you said it's a Jewish deception. Tell. Tell me. Tell me about how the. How it's a Rothschild funded Bible that subverted most of Christianity and how, you know, it created the myth that Jesus was a Jew, right?

[Top Lobster]

No, not necessarily, but it created. It created an entire generation of pastors that prioritize Israel over America, wherever they are.

[Donnie Discerned]

Is the Schofield Bible a translation?

[Top Lobster]

No, it's. It's a. Like a teaching, like a side teaching.

[Donnie Discerned]

So, like what? Okay, so, okay, let's say I have a Scofield Bible. I open it up, what am I gonna. What am I gonna see? What's it gonna look like?

[Top Lobster]

You're gonna see the Bible, and then in most cases, there'll be like a commentary right next to whatever you're reading.

[Donnie Discerned]

Like a. Like a footnote?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. On the side or maybe even on.

[Donnie Discerned]

The side or on the bottom.

[Top Lobster]

On the side or on the bottom? I don't know. It depends on whatever you're reading. There's tons of these.

[Donnie Discerned]

Is it big? Is like. What does it look like? Is it like. Is it like. Does it have like the Bible verse and then right next to it, like the commentary, or is it like footnotes on the bottom of the pages?

[Top Lobster]

There are footnotes on the bottom and I've seen the footnotes on the side. On the right hand side. I've seen. Also.

[Donnie Discerned]

You've seen notes taken on the side?

[Top Lobster]

Yes.

[Donnie Discerned]

Okay, You've seen people write notes on the side of it?

[Top Lobster]

No, I've seen them printed, Donnie. Listen, I grew up in the church and I understand that they read this stuff in order to pass.

[Donnie Discerned]

What are some of the. What are some of the specific things that the school that the Schofield Bible says that you disagree with? What are Some specific teachings. What are some specific footnotes?

[Top Lobster]

What are some specific footnotes? What do you mean?

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, what are some specifics?

[Top Lobster]

What, what I'm, what I'm going to tell you now is what they teach is what the church is right now. Every Christian seminary that graduates from the colleges in order to get a job in a, you know, an Assemblies of God church. This is the curriculum.

[Donnie Discerned]

That's specific. Let's get specific. What path?

[Top Lobster]

Why get specific? Because I'm looking at.

[Donnie Discerned]

Because we need.

[Top Lobster]

Because that's, that's who made this and why is it in there and why do we study it?

[Donnie Discerned]

Darby Schofield. Here's the thing, here's the thing. I, I need to, I need to make clear I'm not, I'm not a Zionist, right? I'm not somebody who's like, oh, Israel can do no wrong. We need to support Israel. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying Israel is the harlot, right? They're the faithless wife who broke their covenant with the Lord that will be judged by the beast and his kings. Right? And who are. And who supports the beast and the kings and his kings? Well, the nations do, right? Why do the nations support the beast and his kings? To destroy Mystery Babylon, the harlot. Because exactly what the Truther movement is doing right now, they're, they're, they're, they're highlighting all of the Jewish elements, right? And it's getting everyone to say, okay, anything that's Jewish is evil, right? That's what the Gnostics do. That's what the Gnostics do. Anything that's Jewish is evil. And get, and, and it's going to, it's framing reality, it's reframing reality to where Jesus isn't even a Jew anymore. You know, Jesus is actually an Aryan, right? He's actually, you know, he's actually, he actually was at Shambhala, right? And he was in Tibet and he, you know, when he was 12 years old, he went to India and you know, he's actually, and Christ is actually conscious. Do you see what I'm saying about the.

[Top Lobster]

What is that? What exactly is a Jew?

[Donnie Discerned]

Yehudi.

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Top Lobster]

Bye, people.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes. Okay. What is a Jew? What is a Jew? A Jew means. A Jew means biblically a descendant from Judah, right? So it comes from one of the 12 tribes of Israel. Okay, so after the kingdom of Israel split, the southern tribe, the southern kingdom, Judah, was where Jerusalem and the Temple were, right? Which are. Which are fundamental to the faith, to fundamental to the biblical story. Let's say over time, people from Judah and Benjamin and Levi, you know, these were the tribes who were mailed, who remained loyal to the temple in Jerusalem. They were called Jews. Right? So, so being a Jew wasn't originally just a. A religion. It was an ethnic and tribal identity rooted in God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and specifically Judah. The royal line, right? Now, if you have a Bible, open it to. Open it up to Genesis 49, verse 10. It says that this, it says, the scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor the ruler staff from between his feet until Shiloh comes. Right? So what is it saying? God promised that the kingdom, the Messiah and the rule over the nations would come through Judah, right? That means that the Messiah would be born a Jew from the tribe of Judah to fulfill the promise, right? So Jesus fulfilled that prophecy because he was born in Bethlehem, the city of David, and he was born of the tribe of Judah. Matthew 1, Luke 3, right? He's called the lion of the tribe of Judah in Revelation, chapter 5, verse 5. So, yes, Jesus is Jewish. And that's not incidental, right? That's not a minor detail. It's completely central to whom he is and the covenant that he fulfills. Right. John 4, let's. Let's open up our John.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, I get. No, I get it, but what are these people are these. These are not the same thing.

[Donnie Discerned]

Okay? Were they this. Okay, Give different diff. Reentry.

[David Lee Corbo]

How do you say that differentiation?

[Top Lobster]

Donnie, are you letting David. You're letting David tell you words?

[David Lee Corbo]

That's why I'm an expert in messing up words. Actually, wait, before you do that, Donnie, I would like to pose a question and just give me the floor for a second so I can get this out without any interruptions here. So I Recognize what you're saying, especially on X. And I think it's going to leave X soon. This like Jew noticing thing is manufactured. And I don't agree with going the same direction as everybody else where they're all just funneling into this, they're siloed into blaming the Jews blanket for, you know, all of the world's ailments and the buck stops there. And so I am a proponent of, there is a much larger spiritual aspect to this entire debacle that we find ourselves in. And I also have a hard time attributing it to the Jews. Right? Because just even in layman's right, I'm kind of, this is above my pay grade. You guys are much more well versed in the Bible than I am. However, when I go to like the corner store in the deli and there's a Jewish guy working in there, certainly he's not to blame for everything that ails the word so or ails the world rather. So my question, Donnie, is when I go to Revelation 3. 9 just to bring that up again, and they're talking about these, they will call themselves Jews, but are not there of the synagogue of Satan. I see that as an attempt to differentiate right, between the Jews and something else. My question to you, Donnie, is, am I misinterpreting that?

[Donnie Discerned]

No, I don't think so necessarily. The Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 is like the go to passages for the, for the anti Jew people. And what's funny is most of the people that quote those passages, they, they don't know anything about the Bible. When you press them on like biblical things, they, they look at you like you have four heads. Like if I, if I ask them, okay, what Does John chapter 4, verse 22 says where it says, you worship what you do not know. We worship what we do know for salvation is from the Jews, you know, that's Jesus talking, you know, you know, and I asked them what does that mean? Tell me the context of that. They don't know what. They didn't even know that verse existed. Right. And, and the, the whole point here is that you know, the passages like this, which if you want to talk about them real quick, I, I gladly can. You know, In Revelations chapter 2:9 and 3:9, when it talks about, you know, the synagogue of Satan, those who say they are Jews but are not in du lie, there's, you know, there's different ways that, that people interpret them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Can I tell you how I interpret it? And I, I may well be interpreting it like those People, but from. From the outside looking in, you know, I'm very much a new Christian, and this is all learning process. In fact, much of this show is about me learning in real time with the audience. And I think that's probably.

[Top Lobster]

Hold on. I mean, like, so I, I remember this verse as well, the John 22, but that's not the whole thing. I mean, so what do we. What are you getting at here?

[Donnie Discerned]

What do you mean?

[Top Lobster]

Let's just talk about that verse really quick.

[Donnie Discerned]

Salvation is from the Jews. Yes. What do you think that means?

[Top Lobster]

What's the next verse?

[Donnie Discerned]

Let's open it up. John.

[Top Lobster]

Let's open it up.

[Donnie Discerned]

Let's go to John 4.

[Top Lobster]

But the hour comments. And now is when the true worshiper shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth. It's not. It's not like a condemnation of what this person was. Yes. The salvation is of the Jews. It came from them.

[Donnie Discerned]

Right, but what. Yes, okay. Right. It. Now what? Verse 23 explains exactly what I'm saying, that now is the time where worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. What does that mean? He's referring to the time of the Gentiles, where the gospel goes out to the Gentiles. Because he's speaking to a Gentile woman. He's speaking to a Samaritan woman. Right. Well, he's.

[Top Lobster]

The point of that scripture. No, the point of that scripture is not that. This is specifically for the Jew. It has really nothing to do with it.

[Donnie Discerned]

No, that's not, that's not. That's not.

[Top Lobster]

Woman. But he's speaking to her and he's saying like. He's kind of like, like son in her a little bit. He's like, you know, this is from the Jews. Right. He's like, but I'm God now. Yeah, that's it. That's what that verse means. So I don't understand.

[Donnie Discerned]

He always was God. Well, he is Yahweh.

[Top Lobster]

You know what I mean? This is what he's saying. He's like, but now it's me. And then she. Then she recognizes it. So this is the point of that verse. Not necessarily.

[Donnie Discerned]

Well, it's not that. It's different. Jesus has always been Yahweh Jesus, you know, and here's the context. You need to understand this passage. When he's speaking to the Samaritan woman, he's telling her that salvation is from the Jews. Right. And that now is the time where the, the. The. The gospel goes out to the Gentiles. Right. It's. It's it's, it's exactly what I'm saying. That, that now is the time where the Gentiles are the, you know, the inclusion of the Gentiles is being full.

[Top Lobster]

He says the true worshipers, not the Gentiles, the ones who are worshiping truth.

[Donnie Discerned]

Right? Yeah, but that, but this is, this is the same language we see in the Old Testament. Testament, Right?

[Top Lobster]

I would imply the. Okay, okay, who are the fake worshipers then? The.

[Donnie Discerned]

The same ones in the Old Testament that worshiped Bao, right? Now, that's the same thing. That's what I'm saying. It's the same exact thing from the Old Testament. But this is, but this is the whole point.

[Top Lobster]

You're worshipping something other.

[Donnie Discerned]

They're worshiping something just like, just like they did in the Old Testament.

[Top Lobster]

That's. And we're supposed to sit back and not.

[Donnie Discerned]

We're supposed to follow the Lamb. We're supposed to follow the commandments of Christ. We are called to, to fight the real spiritual battle, which is what? Not against flesh and blood. Truthers make the, make the spiritual fight. They make a counterfeit. I'm not saying, I'm not saying you're a truther, but I'm saying what truthers do is that they turn the real spiritual battle that we're called to in the Bible and turn it into the same battle that the New Age is fighting. Right? That's a fight against the Jews and Yahweh and that, that's the whole point. And it's going to culminate in Revelation 19:19 when Christ returns. What happens? What do the nations do when Christ returns? Do they. You know, it says that the nations fight against him.

[Top Lobster]

Why?

[Donnie Discerned]

Why? Because they will see his coming as the ultimate culmination of this, of the Zionist New world order. When. When Christ comes to reign from Jerusalem, right. And when all the nations have to make a yearly pilgrimage to Jerusalem to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. You know what, what do you think all these truthers are going to be saying? They're going to be saying the same thing. All of these truthers are the same people who are going to be rebelling against Christ reigning from Jerusalem. And that's the setup for the little season where, where Satan is released to deceive the nations once more. What do you think Satan's going to be saying?

[Top Lobster]

I think the deceptionist New World War.

[Donnie Discerned]

He's going to be saying the Zionist, there's nothing new under the sun. Why? This is what I'm saying. It's full circle Everything is full circle. These are cyclical events.

[Top Lobster]

Here's the thing, though, Donnie. I don't. I don't think that that's the deception. I think that the New Age.

[Donnie Discerned]

You don't think the deception is that people are. Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, hold on.

[Donnie Discerned]

How do you have to make a.

[David Lee Corbo]

Decent listening experience for people? Please remember that this is going to be on audio, so let's give each other some room.

[Donnie Discerned]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry for getting loud, but it's, it's very. It's all right there in the Bible. It's all right there. And I, I like the fact that I showed you this Ascended Master, that this stuff comes from, that David Icke and all these truthers really get their teachings from, right? And I'm showing you why. I'm showing you why it happens and how it's part of God's plan. You know, I don't see how you could see this any other way with all of this context, because this is the critical piece that people miss, is that these New Age truthers are the real spiritual arm of Satan's agenda. And that. And, and that it's ultimately not even Satan's ultimate plan. It's God using Satan using, you know, the, the. The human authorities, the human leaders, and using the nations to fulfill his will. And, and nobody can seem to demonstrate, you know, that. That it, that, that, you know, how. That, that that's not the case. Do you see what I'm saying?

[Top Lobster]

I mean, I, I sort of understand what you're saying. What I'm. What I'm saying is that I don't think that the deception is. I don't think the deception is people looking correctly at Israel and saying that's not, that's not who they say they are. They're. They're some.

[Donnie Discerned]

There's something else that's not the culmination. That's not. That. That's just. But don't you see, that's just part of. That's just a stepping block. That's just one piece of it, right? People coming against the Jews is just one piece of the bigger deception.

[Top Lobster]

I think what we need to draw the line that we need to draw the delineation. And it's, it's going to be impossible to do it on Twitter because people have to go through these stages of grief, which is like a stage of. The stages of grief that I went through, where you go through, like, oh, my God, they're doing all this stuff. Oh, my God.

[Donnie Discerned]

And that's exactly the thing.

[Top Lobster]

Right, I get it. But, Donnie, they got to do that. They're gonna have to do that.

[Donnie Discerned]

No, no, but that's part of the new. That's the whole thing. Okay, listen. I want you to listen to, like, people like April Ryan and all these New Age truthers who channel Ascended Masters and all these people, and hear them talk about the same thing you talk about right now, that when you take the red pill, you almost get, like, an initial sickness that, like, not a sickness, but, like, you're. You're angry, you're hurt. You're going through these five stages. And they say that that's part of the transformation process of ascension. Right? That's part of the awakening process.

[Top Lobster]

The thing with the New Age movement in the New Ages is that it aligns so closely to the truth that when you hear it, you. But you want to. You want to burn it down completely. And I understand that proclivity, but there is a tremendous amount of truth in it because they've taken the word of God. They've taken actual. The actual, like, way we operate in this physical and spiritual realm, but they perverted it. They're missing this one important thing. They're missing the God. They're missing Jesus Christ in the center of it, and they've done it on purpose. So it's our job to explain it to these people, but then let them know the actual truth. We can't. We can't just sit idly by. And I understand God has a plan, and I understand that it's going to end up the way it is.

[Donnie Discerned]

It's not. See, this is another thing that people.

[Top Lobster]

Say, oh, no, it is sitting idly by when. When you. When you have huge names and. Listen, I don't. I have 50,000 followers on X and we have, like, less than 10 on YouTube. And we're just telling people, like, hey, what they're telling you over here is nonsense. They're acting like they're your brothers, but in reality, they study a book that says they hate you. I think people need to wake up to that. Like, again. But when you wake up to that, they're going to wake up. When you wake up to that, they're going to wake up violently. They're going to wake up upset. And then it's the job of other people to tell them, listen, you have to calm down. You have to understand. Do not make formations. This is what Nazi Germany did. They made formations. They were controlled. And then. And then they got firebombed. And now they still haven't recovered. Now half Germany is gay. That's not. That's not what I want.

[Donnie Discerned]

But you can't.

[Top Lobster]

You cannot allow for a cancer to. To exist inside of you and not. And not point it out.

[Donnie Discerned]

Here's the question. Okay. The cancer that lives inside of us. What? All right, if you could. If you could describe that, the root of the world's problems in one word, what would you say?

[David Lee Corbo]

Sin.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes. Okay. That's the cancer. Sin is the cancer. Is that something that's exclusively in Jews? You know what?

[David Lee Corbo]

This goes to top. This is Owen Benjamin's. Kill the Jew in your own heart.

[Top Lobster]

I get it. And I get that. But you've got to also start somewhere. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. This is where I'm at. You have. You have to deny those proclivities to take part in the things that they're offering you. But the. It's still a fact that. This is. A rabbi owns pornhub. Like, what are we doing here, man?

[Donnie Discerned]

This is going to be.

[Top Lobster]

But it's going to be noticed, Donnie. It's going to be noticed.

[Donnie Discerned]

I know it is, but then it's noticed. My whole point is. That's my entire point. The whole world is going to notice it. That's my point. No, this is what's going to notice it. This is my entire point.

[Top Lobster]

This is what we're saying too.

[Donnie Discerned]

And you're going to join the war. Unless. Well, you might, maybe not you, but most people are going to join the world. In doing what? In fighting to preserve their earthly paradise and clinging on to their lives and clinging on to what they have here in this world. And in doing that, they are being deceived into fighting the wrong fight. And that's going to culminate in Revelation 19, when the world fights against Christ and his return. In their zealous. In their zealousness, in their paranoia, in their desire, in. In their self righteousness. In their. In their desire to rid the world of evil before the appointed time. They will be led into being the very armies that will fight against Christ and that God uses to discipline and purify Judah and Israel. That's the context.

[Top Lobster]

I don't. But I don't think that's not going to lead. In my opinion.

[Donnie Discerned]

People aren't getting. This is my whole point. This is the crucial context that will lead people away from the new age Gnostic deception. The false light deception is that context. And that's the context that. No, no truther is saying, what's the context?

[Top Lobster]

No, it's not that, Donnie. It's not the context. The context is the First Commandment is real and it exists for a reason. It's the first one, thou shalt take no gods before me. This is the context, is there are other gods. There are many of them. They are returning. They will come.

[Donnie Discerned]

And who's sovereign, Right?

[Top Lobster]

But. Okay, tell that to people who don't know. When you have an alien invasion or whatever come down, our ascended masters, show their face and start performing miracles. Start telling these people about the sovereignty of God. The people. The same people.

[Donnie Discerned]

That's what they need to hear. That's what they need to hear.

[Top Lobster]

Okay, but now, how could they, Donnie? How can they hear that if we've allowed Judeo Christian values to pervade our church?

[Donnie Discerned]

Judeo Christian values? What does that mean?

[Top Lobster]

Explain out of town. I don't fucking know. That's what I'm saying.

[Donnie Discerned]

Nobody knows. This is what I'm saying. The people who say, oh, it's not Judeo Christian. Okay, explain it then. Explain what you mean by that.

[Top Lobster]

What I mean by that?

[Donnie Discerned]

Because the whole point.

[Top Lobster]

The whole point, What I mean by that. I'm sorry, Donnie, I got to mute you. We have nothing to do with whatever the current Judaism is right now. Christianity has nothing to do with that.

[Donnie Discerned]

God isn't that obvious. But isn't that a surface level?

[Top Lobster]

No, it's not.

[Donnie Discerned]

Like. Like, how. Like, how hard is that to figure out? Look at the.

[Top Lobster]

Look at the body. Look at the body of the church.

[Donnie Discerned]

Do you go to church?

[Top Lobster]

You go to church?

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes. The bigger picture. This is what I'm saying. People aren't seeing the big picture, and it's the truthers who are the ones giving you just a small purview, and they're missing out so much context. That will help people wake up from the false light, awakening, deception. That's my whole point.

[Top Lobster]

I get that. I. I understand what you're saying, but I do think that there needs to be some sort of meaningful pushback. We are not spiritual entities.

[Donnie Discerned]

There will be, but there will be.

[Top Lobster]

We're not spiritual entities. Donnie, you're gonna let me talk.

[Donnie Discerned]

They don't need help.

[Top Lobster]

We're not spiritual entities whose fate has been decided. Okay? We are human beings.

[Donnie Discerned]

And as human beings, our fate has been decided.

[Top Lobster]

No, it hasn't. There's multiple times in the Bible where. Where the human beings are communicating with God or doing something, and it says. And God was surprised by that. This is not. Your fate is not decided.

[Donnie Discerned]

Hold on.

[Top Lobster]

We're allowed to move and do whatever we want the spiritual beings that are going to fulfill the prophecy. They already have fulfilled the prophecy. It's already happened. There's nothing they can do. That's why they're in such torment constantly because they've made this covenant. They've been judged. It's over. We have not been judged. People can still change. So it's our job. When I'm looking at, when I'm looking at people perverting the religion, when I'm looking at them saying things and playing this like weird sleight of hand stuff where they're like, oh, you know, we have a Jordan Peterson on and he's going to teach you about Jesus Christ. Then you ask him, do you believe in God? And he goes, what do you mean by God? This is bullshit. This is bullshit.

[Donnie Discerned]

No, no, no.

[Top Lobster]

I'm pointing to people who have extremely.

[Donnie Discerned]

Pointed to people who don't know what they're doing. This is my whole.

[Top Lobster]

I'm pointing to people who have, who have the sway of the popular culture right now, who are followed by millions and millions of people. There it is who I'm pointing to, ok?

[Donnie Discerned]

I'm pointing to the Sovereign Lord and I'm pointing to how he's using these people that you're talking about, how he's using them to accomplish his overarching purposes. That's the disconnect. It's like, I get everything you're saying. I'm not disagreeing with you there. What I'm saying is why is this happening and how is it working to fulfill God's purposes? That's what you're not addressing. That's what no Truther addresses. And they can't address it because it doesn't fit in their worldview. Why? Because their worldview is in conjunction with the New Age. And, and I'm not saying you're in conjunction with the New Age. I'm saying that the Truther movement, the whole point of the Truther movement is to fulfill the New Age awakening. That, that, that, that the cabal has been hiding our divinity from us and that the Jews are the chosen people of this false God and that we need to rebel, expose and fight the Jews in order to liberate humanity from the matrix prison of the material world. That's what I'm saying. And that's what, that's where no one can, can seem to address that. They always have to point to this person or that group. Right. But it's like you're missing so much and you're. And, and whether you like it or Not. You're leading people right into the arms of the new age awakening, deception. That's my point. That's all.

[Top Lobster]

I think you are. I think actually, you are. I think by telling people to submit.

[Donnie Discerned]

Hold on. By telling people to fight the good fight the Apostle Paul talked about, and not taking a preemptive role of judging the nations which will be given to us, as Revelation 2 says, but only after the resurrection. Right now, it is the duty for us to judge those within the church. Like. Like the Apostle Paul said in Second Corinthians.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Who's within the church? Donnie, go to your church and look at the flags that are flying there. Listen to the message that they're preaching. You'd be hard.

[Donnie Discerned]

You.

[Top Lobster]

You would not be able to find a church that does not preach Christian Zionism at least once a month.

[Donnie Discerned]

Christian Zionism.

[Top Lobster]

Christian Zionism is putting Israel. Israel's needs first before the church.

[Donnie Discerned]

Okay, Whatever.

[Top Lobster]

Whatever the church is these days. I don't know. It's a McDonald's.

[Donnie Discerned]

Now, here's this. I, I agree with you that, you know, the, The. The idol. The. The idol worship of Israel is wrong. I agree with you there. Now, here.

[Top Lobster]

Do you agree with me that it's pervasive?

[Donnie Discerned]

Here's another question. What's that?

[Top Lobster]

Do you agree with me that it's pervasive in. In the modern church in America?

[Donnie Discerned]

Sure. It's becoming. It's becoming less so. For sure. Yeah. Would you not say that the red pill awakening is unfolding?

[Top Lobster]

No, but not for anybody that goes to church.

[Donnie Discerned]

Listen, I don't even believe it or not, in my church right now. There are. There are people in my church right now who are saying the same thing that you're saying. There are people in my church right now who are. Who are. Who are talking about, you know, how there's an awakening unfolding and how, you know, the world is noticing. There are people in my church who follow Q and say that, you know, that the storm is upon us, that judgment is coming. Right. But they're not talking about God's judgment. Well, they say. They say it's God's judgment, but it's not. It's the beast war on Babylon. Okay? This stuff is becoming very popular. I think people really underestimate this awakening, this false awakening and how. How. How big and mainstream it's becoming. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would say that top. And I actually agree with that. We've been saying for a while now that this conversation that's been taking place on Twitter or on other social medias, but Predominantly X was eventually going to leave the platform and enter, you know, the dinner table for, for, I guess, lack of a better way of putting that. But yeah, I mean, everything else is downstream. So if this culture is really exploding on, on X, then it's only a matter of time till it's in your church.

[Top Lobster]

And I agree with you and I understand what's happening and it's out of our hands at this point. But the truth of the matter still is these things cannot coexist. The current Judaism, the modern day Judaism, Babylonian, Talmudic Judaism, cannot coexist, cannot coexist with whatever Christianity was supposed to be. And when I look at the church, it's a, it's, it's, it's garbage. The modern church is garbage now.

[Donnie Discerned]

It's completely lost its way. What is, what does God do about it?

[Top Lobster]

I don't know. What does he. What does he do about it?

[Donnie Discerned]

He raises up the nations. To do what?

[Top Lobster]

I don't think so, man. Listen, I don't think this is.

[Donnie Discerned]

You don't think so? Hold on, okay? Hold on.

[Top Lobster]

This has not been the first time. I know, open up your Bibles, but this has not been the first time that this has happened. There's nothing new under the sun. And we cannot, you cannot allow your church to be pervaded and perverted by people. Simple as that.

[Donnie Discerned]

Listen, I agree with you that making an idol out of Israel is wrong. But answer me this question. Do you believe that God is using Israel for his overarching purposes or is that just outside of God's sovereignty? He's just not powerful enough to shape human events?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Probably been written and everything is headed in the direction that.

[Donnie Discerned]

Would you say that God is, Would you say that God is the one who's sovereign over that? Yeah. Okay. Daniel, Daniel 2 says that God is the one who raises up nations, not men. If anyone is telling you that that man raised up a nation and that God had nothing to do with it, they are, they are of the allying spirit. Because it says God is the one who raises nations. God is the one who, who, who, who puts human authority where they are. He's the one.

[David Lee Corbo]

So then, Donnie, how are we meant to. I, I think what's important here is to establish how are we meant to react to this.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes. And this is, and this is the big, and this is the big picture thing.

[Top Lobster]

Do, do nothing people.

[Donnie Discerned]

And it's, this is what the new age people say.

[Top Lobster]

You.

[Donnie Discerned]

Okay? There was a black woman who commented on my, who commented on my post today. Right. And this, this is crazy. Okay, let me see if I can find it. She, she is saying that what I'm saying is that we need to bow to Jews and do nothing. Right? And then she continued to say that Yahweh is the real enemy and that the Jews are his chosen people and that anyone, anyone defending that are enemies of mankind.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's very like Gnostic New Agey.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes, yes. Now where is that heading? That's heading to the persecution of the saints. Why? Because they refuse to join the beast rebellion. Right? They refuse to join the world. They refuse to not be set apart. And this is exactly what's coming. People are going to persecute the Saints, believing that they're liberating the planet from an evil God and his forces. And this is exactly the whole point of the New Age Truther movement. And that's why Christian truthers are mistakenly picking up their fight. And, you know, and that goes to the question, like, you know, what are we supposed to do about it? What are we supposed to do about it? Well, you know, who's in control? You know? You know, contrary to what I used to believe, it's not any human group or even Satan. It's God. He's the one calling the shots. And even Satan can only do what God permits.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right?

[Donnie Discerned]

Well, that's that. So trusting in God's plan is tough. Absolutely. It's hard. You know, did the Israel's trust God's plan in the Old Testament? No, they, they, they trusted in their own works, they trusted in their own plans over God's. Over God's sovereignty time and time again. And that's why they rebelled, thinking that they could take matters into their own hands.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what I think it is? I think it's an interpretation thing. When you hear that, it sounds like God is the implementer of all these horrifying things. But, but that's not as nuanced as it actually is. Right. It's like God is judging these fallen entities and is allowing them to execute their plan so that they can be judged by the end of it. So he is allowing all of this. And we know how it ends.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah. So he can judge not only these entities, but he can judge the hearts of the nations. Right? He separate. He uses this deception. It says in 2nd Thessalonians 2, who sends the strong delusion in 2nd Thessalonians two, verse 11. Is it Satan? Is it the Jews? Is it the Illuminati? No, it's God. God sends the strong delusion. Why? Because he is using this as a judgment against those who are already being steered by their hearts and not through the Spirit. And this is exactly why the new age are. This is the spiritual arm of this deception because it perfectly inverts biblical truth and makes Yahweh, makes the God of the Bible the enemy, and it makes his plan, a manufactured plan of the Illuminati. That's the whole point. And how do we respond to this? Well, it's about, you know, it's about how we, about how we handle is God shows us how to face challenges, you know, gracefully trusting his in his perfect control over our lives. But it's not about being perfect. It's about being faithful, keeping his commands because we love him and, you know, walking in love as we are commanded to, you know, and, and, and if you stumble, you pick up, you pick up your cross and you keep walking, right? Like think of Peter's trial right out on the stormy sea. Jesus called him to walk in the water. When Peter stepped out in faith, he started. He started sinking when he took his eyes off Jesus and he focused on the chaos around him. We are making the same mistake that Peter made, focusing on all the waves and the wind and the storm, not keeping our focus on Christ. What happened when he stopped focusing on Christ? He started to drown. And that's what we're doing. That's the deception is drowning in the chaos of the world rather than focusing on Christ.

[David Lee Corbo]

That would fit into this idea that, like, Satan is the adversary, right? And that he has a role to play and that he's not. He's not sovereign. He's not independent. He doesn't have real agency. He's. He's here to fulfill a role, right? And in that way, sort of the development of, of, I guess, mankind, our own development in our overcoming our challenges with him. But it's like he's not this independent actor who is. Got really any power at all. But it can look like that, right? And I guess that's what everybody's falling for is the. The look like that aspect where if you look around, you see their symbols, you see, you know, the ways in which they engage and they deceive.

[Donnie Discerned]

That's the bait.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's the bait. And it's also the base level, right? Where if you feel that. So, so this goes back to my question that I don't think I really got a satisfactory answer for, which is to say that if the Bible seeks to differentiate between those who call themselves Jews and who. Who are not but are actually of the synagogue of Satan. Is that an actual differentiation that's. Or is that a descriptive of the Jews? Because I interpret it as a differentiation and I go, well, if the Bible sees fit to differentiate, then I should as well, because there's so much variety among, you know, self identified Jews. You know, we bumped into a atheist Zionist Jew the other day. I'm like, I don't even know what the, that is. That's crazy. And so it's like, how can these things be the same?

[Top Lobster]

Whatever, whatever they want it to be, I guess.

[David Lee Corbo]

So let me, let me refine that question and I'd like an answer from that to the best of your abilities, Donnie. Are we, Is that a differentiation that's being made in three, nine, or am I wrong in my interpretation of it?

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, well, it's, it's definitely not a blanket category of all Jews, right? Like, like Jesus isn't saying, oh, all Jews are the synagogue of Satan. That's how a lot of the truthers interpret it.

[David Lee Corbo]

But that seems like he's saying there will be those who claim to be.

[Donnie Discerned]

Those who claim to be. And, and what I personally think is it's talking about the merchants of mystery. Babylon. Right. You look at a lot of these Jewish people in power. A lot of them are secular, right? A lot of them aren't. Aren't. You know, a lot of these people, they're atheists, right? A lot of the, the, the, the Communist Jews, the Marxists. A lot of them, A lot of them are atheists. A lot of them, you know, they're, they're part of the world, right? They're not, they're, they're, they're, they're in their, very much in their thinking and in their attitude. Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

But still very materialistic.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, yeah. Problem.

[Top Lobster]

They, like, they use, they use the title and they might, most of them probably aren't even Jewish ethnically. Like there's been studies that show like that, like a lot of these people's bloodline doesn't even go back to whatever they say it is. It's nonsense. But they're using the title. So like we're in agreeance there. They're under this Jew thing.

[Donnie Discerned]

But the rep. But here's the thing. Here's, here's what we have to understand. The remnants of Judah and, and Israel have been regathered like Ezekiel 37 said it would. You know what I mean? Right before Christ returns. Do you, Are you familiar with the Dry Bones Prophecy?

[Top Lobster]

No. Tell us.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes, yes. So the dry bro. The Dry Bones prophecy in Ezekiel 37 talks about the Jews being regathered from all the nations of the world back to their homeland, but not in righteousness, but in, but in judgment, right? And that, that's the bones and then the flesh appears, right? And then the spirit comes after, right? So that's what we're seeing right now, the bones appeared, right? The, the flesh, the, the flesh is returning, right? They're in the flesh. And then the spirit will come through their tribulation, through this coming global, you know, revolution against them. That's going to be what leads them to the Spirit, right? And that's, that's why I said earlier I believe Hitler was used by God, right, for judgment purposes and also for the purposes of their future redemption. Of the redemption.

[David Lee Corbo]

That is fair to say because without you would have to say then, then God is in control, isn't in control of everything that happens on his creation. And I don't know that you could say that, right?

[Donnie Discerned]

You can't. And that's the thing is like you have to acknowledge God's sovereign hand in everything, in every human, you know, in all of human history. And this is why the truthers can't see what's really happening is because they're, they're stopping at the human leaders who the Bible says are powerless, that their plans will come to not, right? And this is where the misdirection is, is that people are so hyper focused on human plans and human leaders, they're not seeing how God is working through all these things to bring about what he prophesied. And that's what, that's all I'm trying to do is trying to show people the big picture and, and not to get swept up in the world's panic. Proverbs 29, I think it's verse 25, it says fear of a. Fear of man will prove to be a sneer. But whoever trusts in the Lord is kept safe. And this is the thing, all of these truthers, all of these people, all these red pill people, they are steeped in fear of man. Fear of what man can do to them physically. That's why the Bible says do not fear those who can harm the body, but fear the one who can kill both body and soul in hell. Right? All these passages are trying to show us something. It's trying to show us that the world is always going to be steeped in fear of man. And that's what the truther movement is. It's the fears and anxieties of man made plans, man made plots, and offering them a man made prescription. The multi faith coalition of the nations to come together and say, you know what, we all have our differences, but you know what our common enemy is the Jews, the Zionists. And that mindset that, you know, God is going to judge that. How is he going to judge that? Well, first he's going to use them as an instrument of judgment and then he's going to judge those people. He's killing two birds and one stone. He's using. He. And it's so beautiful when you really take a step back and see what's happening and see how God is using all of these pieces, all these pieces for his overarching purposes. You can see, wow, it is absolutely brilliant. It is perfect.

[Top Lobster]

And there's no, there's no room in the middle here for you for. So I understand, yes, God has a plan, but I also, I think you're, you're short selling. You're short selling God's ability, God's gift to us of, of free will to do what we want. He's even, I mean, God's even repented. He's repented for making man. He was surprised. There's been, there's been like I said multiple times in the Bible where he's been kind of. His reaction was like, whoa, you actually did that? You know, that's, that's kind of crazy. So.

[Donnie Discerned]

Right.

[Top Lobster]

But I don't know if God. I don't know if God knows every single thing that we're going to do before we do it. I think that he, he created us and he enjoys watching us do. But the question is, again, is there? No, my question is in, in between this, in between his plan of, you know, basically setting up the Jews to set up everybody else, which is a hilarious plan. There's no, there's nowhere for us to also reach the people who are going to fall through the cracks because we're talking about billions of people and I'm talking to the ones who will listen like, yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. I was there too. I see what they're doing. It's horrible. I agree with you. But, but we're not gonna. Don't form against them, but also resist them. There has to be some sort of.

[Donnie Discerned]

Gospel through the gospel.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, you can resist them in many ways, not just through the gospel.

[Donnie Discerned]

But like people who reject my point. People who reject that. Yes.

[Top Lobster]

People who are, who don't even believe in God. Okay. And they're going to go ahead and you want to, you want to form a Christian movement. The ones that don't believe in God. It's like, no, no, that's not the way. But you also don't have to do what they're telling you to do here. You can also see that this is. This is a clear enemy. And listen, it is what it is. They've declared themselves an enemy of America with their actions. This is a clear enemy. We don't have. Like, you don't want to redo this. We don't want to make the same mistakes we did before. But we can look at it and go, not here, man. You gotta go. Not here.

[Donnie Discerned]

No. We can look at it and say, wow, God's plan is unfolding exactly like.

[Top Lobster]

Or we can fashion our whip and say, get that out of the temple, because it does not belong here.

[Donnie Discerned]

See, this is exactly what I'm saying. Like, do you know David Ike says that same thing, right?

[Top Lobster]

David, Ike's a. Somebody clipped this.

[Donnie Discerned]

So why are you saying the same thing that David.

[Top Lobster]

Because David Ike also says a lot of words that I say. I mean, so what does he get his.

[Donnie Discerned]

His teachings. Where does David. I get his teachings from?

[Top Lobster]

From ancient Atlanteans that he's channeled years ago that he used to write his books.

[Donnie Discerned]

Why are Christians. So why are Christians regurgitating the same.

[Top Lobster]

The Bible spirits? Why is he quoting the Bible?

[Donnie Discerned]

Why does Satan not quote the Bible to. To. To get people to 100 times here?

[Top Lobster]

Donnie.

[Donnie Discerned]

Like, but this is the whole point. Satan doesn't make up new lies. That's why he. That's why his deceptions are so bad.

[Top Lobster]

But it's not a lie. It's not a lie.

[David Lee Corbo]

What Jesus did takes biblical.

[Top Lobster]

When the Pharisees. When the Pharisees were in the temple, money changing, he told them, you got to get out of here. You can't do that.

[Donnie Discerned]

And what do you think, what do you think that. What do you think that that is supposed to mean for us?

[Top Lobster]

That means you can't do that here. We have to. We have to have some kind of sacred place. We have nothing.

[Donnie Discerned]

We've completely. But this is. This is what I'm saying. This is. I'm glad you're saying this, because this is. This is exactly my point is that.

[Top Lobster]

You know, not America. I'm talking about the church. I'm talking about the church. Like, if we're going to preach the message of Jesus Christ, how could you do it in a place that's been. What's the correct word? Compromised for the last, I don't know, 50, 60 years, maybe more.

[Donnie Discerned]

Maybe since it's compromised in all sorts of ways. And that's why you wake people up to deception. But my, but, but my thing is that's not what the truthers are saying to do. They're not saying to expose the, the wicked ones from among us. They're saying to go out into the world and expose what the world is doing. And that's why. Because of worldly fear. Fear. Because of fear of man, like Proverbs 25 says. Okay, let's. Let's look at.

[Top Lobster]

Also. Donnie, can I, Can I ask you a question? Who has the birthright to this world? Who is this world given to?

[Donnie Discerned]

Jesus Christ and the saints and the resurrected saints.

[Top Lobster]

This was given to. It was given to man. It was given to man initially. Go tend and to dominate. And we just give that up because, you know, well, prophecy says in the end, this is. How do you know for sure this is the end. How do you know that we haven't been here before? And this will be repeated. Repeat it again. Like, I, I don't. We don't know. But we're just gonna give this up? Like, give up what was given to us?

[Donnie Discerned]

Well, we can get into, we can get into the, the. The calendrical prophetic timeline, the 6, 000 years, the hundred.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, but people thought the same thing in 70 AD in Jerusalem. They thought the same thing. So now here we are 2000 years later saying, everybody just chill out and wait.

[Donnie Discerned]

Well, nobody in 70 AD thought that we were at. We were close to biblical year 6000. That's, that's something completely different.

[David Lee Corbo]

Before we go on, can I pose a question? When we're looking at Jesus Christ and he's flipping over the, the tables in the temples and he's chasing out the merchants and he's fashioning this whip.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes. Our.

[David Lee Corbo]

As. As Christians, can we look to that, be inspired and do the same thing in our time? And what would that look like?

[Donnie Discerned]

Okay. Jesus cleansing the temple, number one, was a fulfillment of prophecy. Okay. From the Old Testament. Right. Why did he do that? Because the temple was his father's house. The temple was his father's house and he was the father. He was God. That was God cleansing his own house. Right. But it's that, that's the context. That's, that, that's the, that's the thematic context of what's happening there. He. It was God cleaning his own house from corruption. Right? And that's exactly what we're called to do, is to clean up our own house. But here's the thing is, you're how.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do we do that?

[Donnie Discerned]

But that's the whole point. What's your, what's our home? Is it the world? Is it America? Is it? Is it, Is it. You know, what is our home? And that's the thing. It's like, it's like, hey, if you're saying America is your home, if you're saying the world is your home, then fine, the world is your home and you're. And be with the world, that's fine. What I'm saying is the saints, the resurrected saints in the millennium, they're going to be those who set themselves apart from the world. They're going to be the ones that recognize that their home is not in this world. World that, that we are. That we are sojourners in this fallen realm. To do what? To assist in the proliferation of the Gospel to the Gentiles until the culmination of. Of. Of. Thereof. In which these events happen.

[Top Lobster]

I don't completely agree with that.

[Donnie Discerned]

I think that.

[Top Lobster]

I think that God created this realm. I think that it's fantastic. And I think that the more that you look at it, it represents who we are in so many different ways from just like the composition of everything, everything around you. It's beautiful. And we are forfeiting that. You're forfeiting that.

[Donnie Discerned]

Wait, no, no, here's, here's the problem. I agree with you. The world is beautiful. God isn't coming to destroy the world. Right? God isn't coming to just gather us up and take us into heaven and destroy the world like a lot of people think. No, God is bringing heaven to earth, but it's all about the appointed time. How many times in Jesus's ministry did the apostles asked him if he was going to establish, reestablish the kingdom of Israel, if he was going to re. Establish, you know, God's kingdom. And he said that now is not the time. Now is not the time. It, you know, and that's the whole thing, people. And that's why this Dominionism is so popular. Heaven on earth right now.

[Top Lobster]

It sounds like you want heaven on earth now. We don't know if it's now. Jesus said, no, Jesus said, now's not the time.

[Donnie Discerned]

And then his apostles went out there, establish the kingdom.

[Top Lobster]

Donnie his apostles, his apostles went out there and they were all brutally murdered trying to protect his teachings.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, they were.

[Top Lobster]

Because how do you know if. Here's the thing, if now is not the time? We don't know the time or place. It could be in a thousand years from now. The time for Jesus to return.

[Donnie Discerned]

To do. To do what? To defeat. To put an end to. To defeat the nation?

[Top Lobster]

No, I'm saying. Well, let's talk. We're talking about the church. I don't care about the nations. I don't really care. America is what it is.

[Donnie Discerned]

So then why are all the truths.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not dumb. I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm talking. I'm actually speaking against them. I've been. I've been doxed by them.

[Donnie Discerned]

They.

[Top Lobster]

They freaking sent like a trove of people and then removed them from my follower account just to mess with my algorithm for saying exactly what I'm saying now. So I am not them. It's a straw man that. That is being put on. It's very frustrating. What I'm saying is that we cannot do nothing. This place is special. It was given to us. There's no guarantee that this is going to be over in 2025 because Alice Bailey said so.

[Donnie Discerned]

Question. Do you think I'm saying to do nothing?

[Top Lobster]

Sometimes I think. I think it's like, okay, it can be perceived as that.

[Donnie Discerned]

Okay, pretend to be me for a second. Tell me what you think the solution is to, To. To the world, the problems of, of the world.

[Top Lobster]

I think it's the truth, but I think it you. The solution is a guided truth. And it needs to. It needs to come out in a way.

[Donnie Discerned]

Who's it guided by? Is it guided by Dual Cool and his prescription and how we need to unite. The world needs to unite and overthrow the Zionist system. Is, is. Is that.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't have as much of a. A biblical grounding as you guys, but I do recognize human psychology and, and I do recognize that if you should mobilize and try to attack a thing, what happens is your movement, because there's so many moving pieces, becomes co. Opted, becomes corrupted and eventually is aimed in the entirely wrong direction. And that the real work every time is internal. And that is. And I, and I. I recognize that. And so if, if you were. I don't know what you would say, Donnie, but if you asked me what you should do, what action you should take in these times, by the way, not having this, you know, extensive biblical background, I would say that the work is internal. That you can't hope to affect the outside without taking care of the sin that you carry inside.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, that's the whole thing. That's the whole point of this, of what's unfolding, is God is using those who say in their heart, I am righteous, you know, I am I am a righteous warrior for God, you know, defending, you know, the world from an. A threat. Right. I, I am the righteous one. I am a warrior. I am, you know, whatever. And, and, and they're not, they're not fighting the good spiritual battle of dying to this. To self daily of, of, of, of laying down our desires, of, of casting the flesh aside and, and walking in the spirit, which is, which is the real battle, which is hard. That's a hard battle to, to, to, to, you know, to, to crucify the flesh daily. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Created a caricature of that.

[Top Lobster]

It sounds a lot, it sounds New Agey, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Like in the New age movement, the, the equivalent to that would be like this super gay isolated meditative process where you become some ascended master that you're no longer in the world. You're, you know, you're out of the world entirely to the extent where you, you know, ascend past your mortal coil.

[Top Lobster]

This is why, this is why it's kind of disingenuous to be like, that sounds New Age. You was like, yeah, most of Christianity sounds New Agey when you actually, actually look at it in the correct manner, but it's just been subverted. So now I'm not allowed to use this word the same way. Like if I say Jew now, Jew means everything. It's bullshit. It's got to mean something.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, The New age isn't just random deception. It's, it's, it's calculated specifically to counterfeit the truth of God. But I want to go back to this trusting in God and being blessed thing that I think a lot of people miss. And it's, it's, it's a biblical concept. And most people who are in these conspiracy circles, they read online forums more than they read their Bible. So like, okay, in Hezekiah, for example, right, okay, the Assyrian Empire was the super, was the superpower of the time, right? And they had already wiped out the northern kingdom of Israel and they were now surrounding Jerusalem. Right? So Assyria threatens Judah. You know, the Assyrian king sends his messenger to mock God, threaten Jerusalem and urge the people to surrender. Okay, what was Hezekiah's response? Right, he doesn't make a military alliance, he doesn't try to appease Assyria, and he doesn't rely on Egypt, their neighbors or political strategies or yoking with the world. What does he do? He goes to the temple, he spreads the letter before the Lord and prays. He says, O Lord our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that you alone are the Lord. And what was God's response? He sends the prophet Isaiah to tell Hezekiah not to be afraid. And then that night, the angel of the Lord strike down. I think it was like 180,000 Assyrian soldiers. And the army flees. So what's the result? You know, total victory. No fighting, no joining the world. You know, Judah is saved. Why? Because Hezekiah trusted in the Lord instead of human strength. Human strength, right. You know that now, now Hezekiah ended up declining. Why? Why? Because of pride and judgment. Again, this is a mirror for us when we read the Bible. You have to see the, that it's, it's pointing to something, okay? Later in Hezekiah's reign, after he recovered from, like, an illness where he almost died, the envoys from Babylon, they visit to congratulate him. And instead of glorifying God, Hezekiah shows them all his treasures, boasting in his wealth and his strength, and Isaiah rebukes him. So the prideful act leads to, you know, the prophecy of the Babylonian captivity. Because Hezekiah trusted in his own glory, trusted in his own strength, right? Instead of, instead of saying, you know, this was God's strength, this was God's power, you know, and it's. And, and this is. This is the common theme. This is the pattern. When Israel or its king trusted in God, God delivered them supernaturally, right? And that's what Christ's return is. It's a supernatural redemption of the saints from the worldly problems, right? And the pattern repeats throughout Scripture. You know, they trust in Egypt, they're punished later. They trusted, you know, they trusted in God during Jehoshaphat's reign, and they were. And they had victory without even having to battle later on. They trusted in foreign idols that led to their exile, right? And the whole point is that, you know, first of all, God doesn't judge Israel because they're evil, right? He judges them because, you know, they're his. And he uses the nations, you know, even the wicked ones as instruments of this discipline, you know, and those same nations are then judged for their pride and cruelty. So do you see how within this framework, God is judging and purging both the wicked from, you know, Judah and Israel, but also from the Gentiles. And that's what I'm saying. He's killing two birds in one stone. And the whole point of the truth or movement is to get you on the side of the false light, to get you on once one side. And I would say, you know, there's definitely you know, the other side to this as well, you know that, that, that says, you know, Israel can do no wrong. And, and all this, right, they're, they're missing, they're missing their judge out on, on how God is judging them as well. But, but this is, but this is, what I'm saying is like this can all be understood within the purview of how God is using everybody, all human agents to, to fulfill his plan. And my whole point is not to become a vessel of, of wrath, but to become an instrument or vessel of mercy of his mercy and grace. Because remember what was the revelation? What's the revelation all about? It's all about revealing who God is. His adjustment judge and a merciful redeemer. And that's the story of Israel. And we're watching that play out right now. Why It's a reflection of our own hearts and a call for us to repent and trust in the Lord. That's what the truthers will never tell you because they don't understand it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Donnie, I, I see this happening and, and I'm in agreeance with you that this is all a big. And whether or not it's a new age movement, I would have to look into that a little bit more. But I do recognize like the, the truth or the concern conspiracy movement, which is made up predominantly right now of a lot of people who just woke up during COVID which is a little problematic because when you just wake up, which even that is a very gay expression, you tend to fall for a lot of. And once somebody shows you a bad guy, you tend to zero in on that bad guys that it's the end all, be all. And I know that I have been running with this idea that beyond the Jews, this is a spiritual battle. But then at the same time, I do recognize that you either believe in God's plan or you don't believe in God's plan. And you either believe that God is in control or you don't believe that God is in control. If you do believe that he's in control, then you have to then lend yourself to like, oh, the reason Satan is called the adversary is because these are pieces that are being moved around. They don't really have any, like I said, agency. They just kind of fulfill prophecy that ends up with them being damned in the end. They're already damned. And so my question, Donnie, is for this new age movement or this truther movement or these new conspiracy theorists who are moving towards the Jews, you know, linked in arms and ready to. I don't know what cast them out of the country. Some like that. Does it end with the Jews? Like, is this their.

[Donnie Discerned]

No, it doesn't. And that's the whole thing? Yes, that. Good, Good question. That's a great question. And that's the whole thing. It doesn't end with the Jews because who also gets persecuted in the last days? The saints. Right. The saints become martyrs at the hands of the beast. And, and those who follow him. Now, why is that? Well, from all of this, from all of this context, we can deduce that the reason why is because they'll see the saints as agents of, you know, the cabal. They'll see them as people who have allowed for the cabal to reign and that, you know, that are ultimately defending the cabal, if that makes sense.

[David Lee Corbo]

Is this going to be done in a way like that, that narrative right now where everyone's like, the Jews are bad and Jesus was a Jew, so you're just falling for more Jewry, right?

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's the angle where it's like, look, they're championing a Jew. And we just got finished telling you that the Jews are bad. We've even exposed to you that the Jews are bad.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes, yes. And that's a big, and that's a big part of the deception too, is that, is, is the idea that, you know, Christianity is a Jewish deception. And, and that, that, that Christianity itself is part of the global Jewish plan for domination and depopulation or whatever.

[David Lee Corbo]

So, you know, you can demonize the Jews. You could effectively do the same thing to Christianity.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes, and, and, and, and not even, just that, not even you can demonize Jesus, but you can also shift Jesus, change who Jesus is fundamentally into something that he never was.

[Top Lobster]

Why are we bending over backwards to say that we are related to these people at all? We are not. This is the point that I'm making here from the very beginning. This is not the same thing. They are not our brothers. There's no such thing as Judeo Christianity. Christian Zionism is an oxymoron.

[Donnie Discerned]

I have a really good idea.

[David Lee Corbo]

It almost seems how you could be good getting rid of the terminology Jew and just focusing on Christ.

[Donnie Discerned]

I have a really good idea. Let's, let's open up our Bibles. That's the solution for everything, in my opinion, is open up our Bibles, because that's where the truth is. It's not on these online forums. Okay, let's open up to Romans chapter 9. We're gonna go, we're gonna go through Romans 9, 11 and I'm going to show you how the Bible spells out how the what. What the Jews are used for and how it culminates in the end times. Okay, let's start at Romans 9. Okay, so a lot of people really miss the nuance of, of, of God's plan for both Jews and Gentiles, right? Okay, so Romans 9, right? Paul. In the beginning of Romans 9, Paul is, is expressing how heartbroken he is that many of his fellow Jews haven't accepted Jesus as the Messiah. That's verses one through five. Okay. He reassures them. He reassures us that God's promises haven't failed. Right? He's sovereign, remember? So instead of failing, God's plan has always been about his sovereign choices. Just like Isaac and Ishmael and Jacob and Esau. That's what verses 6 through 13 are about. And then verses 14 through 18, it talks about how these choices are all part of God's bigger plan and that he has a right to show mercy or hardened hearts as he sees fit. Right? So in, in, in passages 27 to 29, you know, Paul is pointing out how there's always been a remnant of Jews who are faithful, which shows that God's ongoing commitment shows us God's ongoing commitment to his promises. Right? And then in Romans 10, Paul talks about how Jewish people are zealous for God, but they're missing the point about his righteousness that comes through Christ. That's passages one through four. And then, and then in, in passages five through 13, he contrasts the righteousness that comes from the law with the righteousness that comes from faith in Jesus, which is available to everybody who believes. Okay, then verses 14 to 7 through 17 is, is God. Is. Is. Is stressing the importance of preaching the Gospel so that both Jews and Gentiles can hear and be saved. And then verses 18, 18 through 21 talk about how, you know, even though that the Jews may have rejected the gospel, you know, Paul's explaining how this was something the prophets foresaw, this wasn't a failure in God's plan. The prophets foresaw this and they are still accountable for those choices. They're still accountable. And then going to verse 11 or, sorry, chapter 11, where this all culminates with all this. This is. Romans 11 is the culmination of verses. Sorry, chapter 11 is the culmination of chapters 9 and 10. So in, in Romans 11, Paul makes it clear that God hasn't abandoned his people. He says that he himself is a Jew who believes in Jesus and he's Showing us that there's always a remnant chosen by grace. That's chapter. That's verses one through six, right. And then in verses seven through 15, Paul's explaining how the partial hardening of Israel has allowed the Gentiles to come to faith and that this inclusion of Gentiles is actually meant to make Israel want to come back to God. Right. And then verses 17 through 24, Paul is using the example of an olive tree. Now this is where we get into, well, we have nothing to do with the Jews. Well, let's, let's talk about this. Paul uses the example of an olive tree and some natural branches, which are the Jews were what they were broken off due to unbelief and wild branches, Gentiles were grafted in. But those natural branches can be grafted back if they return to faith. Right? And then Paul cautions Gentile Christians not to boast over the Jews. Right? He's, He, He. He reminds Christians that they do not support the root, but the root supports them. And if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare the wild ones either if they do not continue in faith. So Paul reveals kind of a mystery here. In verses 25 through 29, he says after the full number of Gentiles comes in, all Israel will be saved based on God's promises in Isaiah. Right? And it's a reference to Isaiah 59. So Paul is wrapping up this beautiful doxology praising God's wisdom and knowledge. Do you see how he's showing us how God is sovereign over these things right? Now? If Paul was a truther, what would he be saying? He'd be saying the Jews, you know, the Jews are behind every conspiracy. No, he's not pointing to what to, to. He. Yes, He. He's showing us that the Jews are blinded, but he's showing us that it's God's sovereignty that blinded. He's. He's showing us that, yes, they are the enemy. They are enemies for the sake of the Gospel, but they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers and the patriarchs. And that God has a plan to grab, to, to preserve a remnant in the last days. And this is exactly what Jacob's trouble is all about. This is exactly what the Tribulation is all about. This is what revelation is about, the revealing of the Messiah. That's what this whole thing is about. It's all about getting the remnant of Jews to repent and recognize Christ in preparation for Christ's return to reign from Jerusalem and establish. And you know, and establish the kingdom of Israel. That's the whole point of revelation. And, and people point to all sorts of things, but they just miss the bigger picture here. They miss God's sovereign choices. God's sovereign election again, corporate election. Corporate. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

I almost recognize that it's, there's like a fundamental divergence. So the divergence is like if you come to this conclusion and you say God is sovereign and he's in control of everything and uses, you know, men and even, you know, these, these spirits to get his ultimate goal and to, to see this thing through the end, that's kind of having faith in God's plan and recognizing that even, even the terrible things that happen are all part of this process. And then the other side of it is if you, you see that, but then you decide that he is the engineer of our pain and suffering and has entrapped us in this. And that's kind of like what gives birth to like the sort of the demiurge or whatever the hell it is.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

This idea that, that God the Father is actually this, this great big villain.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yes. And that's the only two sides.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, right.

[Donnie Discerned]

That's the only two sides. And here's the thing. A lot of Christians are unknowingly locking arms with the other side, believing they're liberating the planet from evil. That's, that's, that's the whole thing. And, and to what you were saying, yes, it's, it's, it's acknowledging that, but it's also how that plays into action. Because, because, you know, your thoughts lead to action. Right. And so the question becomes, will you be a vessel of grace and mercy, or will you be a vessel of wrath and an instrument of judgment? That's the only two options that there will be in the last days. There's no other option. And if you're locking arms with the Gnostic New Ager, Gnostic New Age truthers in their battle against Babylon, then, you know, you're, you're fighting their fight. You're fighting on the wrong side of a war that you don't understand. And, and I didn't understand it for so long because I've been a truther for most of my life. You know, I started off at 15 years old watching 911 conspiracy videos. And ironically, the first one I watched was Zeitgeist. And what's interesting about Zeitgeist is, you know, what, what are the three main things they talk about? They talk about the 9 11. They talk about the, the global currency, currency reserve and Then they talk about Christianity, they talk about the Bible and how the Bible is the blueprint or the script for how the elites are controlling us. And that's the, the red pill rabbit hole that's fought. You're following the white rabbit, just like in the Matrix, right? If you're in these truth, if you're, if you're, if you're, if, if you are following these truth ers, if your worldview is, is aligned with the truthers, you are Neo. You are Neo following the white rabbit, seeing how this, how deep this thing goes. And when you get to the bottom, you're not going to find Christ at the bottom of the rabbit hole, right? There's no light down there. You're all the way at the bottom. And people believe that they're aligning with Christ by joining up with the new age truthers, but what they're really doing is they're actually following a counterfeit version, right, that, that, you know, opposes, that opposes Yahweh. And a lot of people don't realize it yet, but that's what I'm saying. This is an unfolding deception. This is something, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Because in so many ways it's like the question that I, I find myself asking is, is it a delusion to say that these various spiritual powers are running things and these people are running things, when I know that God is sovereign and has a plan and I can see his handiwork in all of this.

[Donnie Discerned]

And so here's what I would say. Let's, let's take an example in, in Second Kings, right? When, you know what is, when King Ahab, you know, tries to take matters into his own hands and fight it, you know, through his own strength, what does God do? He sends a lying spirit into the mouths of King Ahab's prophets to, you know, to, to pump up his delusion, to, to fluff his delusion up to make him more hardened in what he already believes. Why? As a judgment against him. These lying spirits channeled by Alice Bailey, who sent them? The Lord did. Why? Because he is sovereign over the spiritual realm and it's ultimately fulfilling his purposes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Still hate the Lord, of course.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah. Oh yeah, they hate the Lord, but, but they're, but they are subservient to him. They, they're power, they are powerless, you know, against the Lord, right? The Lord is, is totally sovereign over the spiritual realm. He's sovereign over Satan. Satan can't do anything without God. Say so, right? So these lying spirits in the mouths of all the New Age truth or prophets you know that what we're witnessing is a judgment against them. And through their judgment, they're going to go ahead and judge the harlot. They're going to go ahead and judge the tribes of Israel and Judah. And God is going to use them to do that, and then he's going to judge them. Do you see what I'm saying again, going back to what I was saying, this is all part of God's plan to accomplish his purposes. But this is what I'm saying. No truther is saying this. None. You know, they're all talking about the Illuminati, they're all talking about the Jews. They're all talking about man made plans, man made plots, man made agendas that are absolutely powerless to God's sovereign plan. And that's what I'm trying to say. And you can become a vessel, grace and mercy.

[Top Lobster]

You just want to say though, that. Because that it's such a weird thing, it's like talking about the nature of God. Right? So that, that scripture right there that we're talking about, it's. It doesn't undermine his sovereignty or that his like lineal plan of exactly what he's going to do, but he consults. He consults the entities around him. And these are not demons, these are angels. These are his angels, but they have certain jobs. And he says, what are we going to do about this guy? And he's like, I'll lie to him. And God says, go ahead and lie. So it's like God's asking and he's receiving advice from his counsel. So.

[Donnie Discerned]

Right. But at the same time, we have to remember too that, you know, God has an overarching plan. Right? Like the events that are happening.

[Top Lobster]

How do you get there, Donnie? And how do you know that your way is the exact right way? I agree with you.

[Donnie Discerned]

I just showed you. Okay, let's. Let's go back to.

[Top Lobster]

No, no, but I don't want to read that again. I, I get it. We're getting, we're getting stuck on. We're getting stuck on like this truth or stuff. And I get. And I also think that you missed the mark with what the delusion will be. I don't think it's going to be that. I, I don't think it's going to be exactly what you're saying. That's what'll be part of it.

[Donnie Discerned]

What do you think the deception is? And how does it, how does it go with. How does it fit into God's overarching plan?

[Top Lobster]

The deception, the falling away from religion. I think that we're seeing it in a more technological way. I don't think it has anything to do with the Jews. I think it has to do with probably more of what Trump and Elon Musk are doing right now. But that's like a whole nother thing. Yeah, that's a whole other bag of worms.

[Donnie Discerned]

How do you think God is using that to accomplish his purposes?

[Top Lobster]

He's allowing it.

[Donnie Discerned]

Why?

[Top Lobster]

Because this is. This is the way things are going to go. If, again, if this is the plan, if this is the final iteration, how.

[Donnie Discerned]

Does that, how does that judge the harlot?

[Top Lobster]

What do you mean?

[Donnie Discerned]

Okay, well, we know that the beast deception is, is the strong delusion, Right. We know that the beast judges the harlot. So how. How does your view of the. The deception judge the harlot?

[David Lee Corbo]

Christian nationalism.

[Donnie Discerned]

So who's the harlot in that scenario?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I'm saying that Christian nationalism would galvanize to, like, let's say, the Trump administration or, or the beast system and, and the harlot. I, I wouldn't know exactly what individual to identify it with, but it's like generations of sexual immorality and sort of just all of the corrosive behavior that culminated in, like, Drag Queen Story Hour and all that other. To me, that's representative of, like, this one system that we've been under, and it's been growing exponentially, and now all of a sudden, we're experiencing this pendulum swing in the opposite direction. And I expect that that new system will bear just as much extremism, probably more, because I think when it swings back, it's going to go a little bit further than the original position, but it's going to be of a different variety. And that different variety is going to be like, you know, conservatism. Conservatism. And it's going to be a good place for people who think that Christian nationalism is a good idea.

[Donnie Discerned]

Okay, so when we talk about the harlot, right, we have to get into the specifics. And, and this is a. And, and not against you or anything, but I, I see a lot of people that are kind of just like, it's like, oh, it's this vague, spiritualized thing, and it's like, I think we need to get really down. We need to really get down to specifics to understand Bible prophecy. Because if we, if we're not getting the specifics, then we don't really know what's going on. Right. So I, you know, if we interpret the Bible with The Bible, as I believe we should, you will see that the harlot of Babylon is apostate Jerusalem, right? So like if you look at Revelation, chapter 11, verse 8, which speaks of the death of the two witnesses, right? It says, and I quote, and their body and their dead bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. So obviously, that great city is also where our Lord was crucified. Now keep that, keep that phrase in mind, the great city. Revelation, chapter 14, verse 8. And there followed another angel saying, babylon is fallen. Is fallen.

[Top Lobster]

Why is the great city. Why is the great city where Jesus was crucified?

[Donnie Discerned]

Because Revelation, chapter 11, verse 8 says, and their dead bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. So keep in mind that phrase, the great city. We look at Revelation, chapter 14, verse 8, it says, and there followed another angel in heaven saying, babylon is fallen. Is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. If we. If we read In Revelation, chapter 17, verse 18, it says, and the woman which thou sawest is that great city which reigneth over the kings of the earth. So we can see in when it's speaking about Babylon or the harlot, the same phrase that the great city is also used in chapter 11. The great city is identified as Jerusalem. And the great city is also used in chapters 14 and 17 when speaking about Babylon, right? So if we let the Bible interpret itself, we can't come to any other conclusion than that the harlot is of Babylon, is apostate Jerusalem. Which also makes sense because Jerusalem is the only city that God would call a harlot. It because it's the only city that God ever made a holy covenant with, and it's the only city that he tried to make his bride. And you see, the. The whole marital analogy is used throughout Scripture both with Jerusalem and Israel, as well as with the general body of believers who become part of Israel spiritually. And the body of believers, both Jew and Gentile, make up God's bride. And so there's really no other reason for God to call a city a harlot unless the city or the people of it betrayed a holy covenant with God. Again, only one nation that made a covenant with and which is Jerusalem and the nation of Israel, right? Harlotry is not a reference to mere wicked acts. It's A. It's specifically a reference to betrayal. And I think it's pretty clear that Jerusalem is that great city, the unfaithful wife who had continually betrayed her marriage with God. And of course, Jerusalem and Israel are referred to a harlot in Isaiah 1, Jeremiah 2, chapter 3, Ezekiel 16, Galatians 4. It's the only city in the Bible that's called a harlot. And that's what brought the day of the Lord was their harlotry. Right? God delivered Israel into the hands of her enemies because she played the harlot. And so too will it be at the end when the great day of the Lord comes in the final days and the Lord God delivers Jerusalem into the hands of her enemies. And then the icing on the cake is Luke 13 says, you know, Jesus himself says, a prophet cannot perish outside of Jerusalem. And then if you look at Revelation, chapter 18, verse 24, it says, and in her was found the blood of the prophets and of the saints and of all the people that were slain upon the earth. So there are unresolvable contradictions in the text without understanding that apostate Jerusalem, God's bride who played the harlot, is mystery Babylon that is judged by the beast and the nations in preparation for their discipline and repentance and their acceptance of the true Messiah when he comes to establish his kingdom. That's. That's the whole point.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think that we're gonna have to put a pin in it here. Unfortunately, we have a. A meeting that we have to go to. But I'm really, really happy that we spent as much time talking about this.

[Top Lobster]

As the Jews again.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, no, I know.

[Top Lobster]

I know.

[David Lee Corbo]

We end up talking about the Jews. It's an important topic because, you know, just to keep going back to it, it's like this is gripping the overarching conversation on X. And I do maintain that it's going to spill out into the real world. It has already in so many different ways. And so I look at where I think this is going, and I think it's very important to at least talk about this. And I'm not saying that. That we have the answers or. Or Donnie, that. That you have the answers, but I think that through extended conversation, we can come to something pretty close to it. And. And maybe. Maybe you're right, Donnie.

[Donnie Discerned]

I.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is something that I'm gonna have to go back and. And rewatch. I don't typically rewatch a lot of our episodes. Episodes, but this is. There's a steep learning curve to this conversation, and you guys engage in it in a way that's very fluid. It's familiar to you. This is not as familiar to me. And so I think that a lot of the audience probably resonates to. To my point of view, which is like, we're just. We're just gripped and trying to make details.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I think it's like, it's a. There was a little bit of, like, talking past each other where I'm creating a straw man of what Donnie's saying. He's doing the same to me, I think.

[David Lee Corbo]

I feel as though you guys agreed on him.

[Top Lobster]

We recognize. Yeah, we're recognizing this issue, that it's like, yeah, no, all arms, all. All hands on deck against Israel. That's where we're headed at right now. Or at least the Jews, whatever that is. I'm just. I'm sitting here, I'm asking important questions like, can we differentiate? What are these things? What is a Jew? Who are these people? And also. But as we move.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thousand years later, right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, 2,000 years later, what the hell? But as we move forward in this thing, there's so much nuance and conversation to be had. And also, it's like, I feel like if we're going to be, like, kept on track and you don't want this new age message, because I agree with you, there's. That's being proliferated. We just did an episode about the telepathy tapes where I think that. That you should look into that. But that's going to be a huge arm of how this is proliferated. The conversation needs to be had. What they are, what is going on, and what can we do to avoid the traps of the past, but not just avoid them. Because I don't think, like, inaction is. Is avoidance. I. I think that I agree something done. And, you know, he says, my people perish for lack of knowledge. So we need to understand this stuff. So part of what you're bringing to the table, I think, is correct. I think what I'm saying, part of it needs to be considered as well. And there's a. There's an answer here, forward, moving forward, that can't have a satisfactory outcome, I believe. I don't think that this has to be the end. I think that we've been here many times before. I think, you know, maybe 109 times we've been here where people have had this question running around, so can we pray for our president? Can we pray for this country that it kind of turns around and we don't have to do this right now. I think so. I don't think God is. I don't think God is.

[Donnie Discerned]

Well, I'm excited. I'm excited for Christ's kingdom. I don't know about you, but, man.

[Top Lobster]

Like, excited for the, you know, the stuff that precedes it. It's not excited for it.

[Donnie Discerned]

I'm excited for it. I'll tell you why I'm excited for it, because in the same way that the early Christians saw, you know, were joyous to receive, to become, to be seen worthy as martyrs for Christ, you know, I, you know, I. I would be beyond grateful to be called worthy of a martyr of Christ. Right. Like, I'm excited. I like, you know, and, and that's the thing. It sounds crazy. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what I'm not excited about, though, Donnie, is the people who would be deceived. That's what I'm not excited about. And, and so at the end of the day, what I care most about is the truth. And I'm not saying that I have a handle on it, but getting to it and then, and then being able to show other people how we got there and, and what the truth is, that's the most important thing.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, agreed. And that's, and that's, and that's what I believe I'm trying to do right now is, is showing people, hey, what's happening isn't an accident. It's not, it's not random. These are all sequence of events that's leading up to Christ's return. At his.

[David Lee Corbo]

I would happily be martyred for Jesus Christ and proclaim his name until my head rolls from my shoulders. But what about all the people who would be deceived? That is, that's the thing.

[Top Lobster]

I'll be honest, and I know Donnie will disagree with me, but I would prefer to raise my children in a place where the food's not poisoned and we don't have to deal with these weird economic calamities for no reason.

[Donnie Discerned]

You will.

[Top Lobster]

In the world that God has given us.

[Donnie Discerned]

So that's. Well, yes, the world that's come. Well, that's the thing is, like, it all goes back again to, like, what we want. We want it now. We want peace and safety now. And that's the whole thing. And I, and I understand it comes from a genuine place, I get it, but it's the same thing that Israel fell into. They wanted peace, safety, prosperity. They wanted it in their timing, but it wasn't yet time. When Christ returns and when he dashes the kingdoms of the world. That's when the appointed time. And those who had faith in that and those who were vessels of grace and mercy and not vessels of wrath, they will be raised up in glorified, incorruptible bodies and, and, and reign with Christ over the nations, be given authority over the nations. Why would God give authority to people who, you know, preemptively tried to take on a, a role that was not for that time? Right. He's not that. Those are the people that are being purged, all the people who are trying to bring the kingdom on to heaven on earth right now through, you know, uniting the world, defeating, defeating the cabal and all that. You know, these are all people that, that are going to be judged, right? The people who are patient. That's why it says, here are the patience of the saints. It's all about patience. It's all about humility. Waiting for God's timing, trusting in his plan, carrying out his commands. And that's what the truthers will never tell you.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's why I think that if you, if you care about vengeance, you'll stop at the Jews. If you care about the truth, you'll reason. You'll realize it goes beyond them. That's where a lot of people are stopping. But listen, we, we do have to wrap it up. Bonnie, thank you for your time and thank you for, thank you, this discussion. I, I, I'm sorry I yelled at you, Donnie.

[Donnie Discerned]

No, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, so, like, I have, like, severe adhd, so like, sometimes I'll start yelling. I'm so sorry. That's like, dude, don't worry about it, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's okay.

[Top Lobster]

I mean, I'm from Puerto Rican, I'm from a Puerto Rican family. So it's like all yelling.

[Donnie Discerned]

Oh, yeah. I was born in Puerto Rico. So, like, there you go.

[Top Lobster]

So, yeah, we're just a couple of browns yelling. It's fine.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Unbelievable. And I'm subjected to it. Unbelievable. All right, guys, one more time. Donnie, for the people. Where can they find you?

[Donnie Discerned]

X at Donnie darkened. Go through my highlights. Just, just go, just go to my highlights and just go through all my highlights and everything will add up and, and study the word. Be in the word. Walk in the spirit and you'll be good. That's, that's really it.

[Top Lobster]

All right, perfect. And Donnie, I do, I encourage you to do. I think you should do that. Take your highlights, compile them, Use the demons at On Grok AI. Who knows, you might get something really cool out of it. Maybe like, even, like, a book or something that you could formulate to, like, put your arguments all together.

[Donnie Discerned]

Yeah, I know, right? Oh, yeah. I'll try it out. I'll try it out.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right.

[Top Lobster]

All right, guys.

[Donnie Discerned]

Okay, thank you. Thank you.

[Top Lobster]

Until next time, obey, submit, and comply, but not in the way that we were just saying. See you later, guys.

[Donnie Discerned]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a problem box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see, because they'll laugh in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's and they have.