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Nephilim Death Squad
157: Stargate Secrets w/ Ryder Lee
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Join hosts David Lee Corbo (The Raven) and Top Lobsta on Nephilim Death Squad as they dive deep into the shadowy world of government psychic programs with returning guest Ryder Lee from Raised by Giants! In this mind-bending episode, we explore the...
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David Lee Corbo
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David Lee Corbo
Who'S ready for the Trust fall?
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Top Lobster
Top Lobster Productions.
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Ryder Lee
We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.
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Top Lobster
Oh yeah. Yeah dude, this some Nephilim.
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David Lee Corbo
It's like we all know what's going down but no one's saying what happen.
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Ryder Lee
To the home of the brave.
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David Lee Corbo
They control us now when no one's.
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Ryder Lee
Talking about how they made us f.
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David Lee Corbo
Be slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the clouds. I want to wake up to a dead in the grave.
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David Lee Corbo
We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of days.
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Ryder Lee
Everybody is slaves.
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David Lee Corbo
Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in the end. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, I would like to remind all of our live viewers that this is a 30 minute preview only. Sometime around the 30 minute mark we'll be going live exclusively to patreon.com Nephilim Death Squad, where you can continue enjoying an ad free viewing experience, engaging with the live chat, as well as gaining early access to the episode before the general public. And you could do it all for free. That's right, guys. Sign up for the seven day free trial, absorb our content and get out of there before you ever have to pay us a penny. But I bet you you're going to want to stay. That's our entire plot is that it's such a banger, such a treasure trove of content. There's so many goodies that await you that you're not going to want to leave. You're going to want to stay. And if you do, you're gonna have to pay. Anyway, guys. Joining us today is Ryder Lee, back for the second time on Nephilim Death Squad. Ryder, for the audience who may not be familiar with you, where can they find your work and what is it that you focus on?
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Ryder Lee
I focus on all kinds of different topics, gentlemen, just like you guys do. And you can find me on Raised by Giants on YouTube and any and all podcast platforms. I'm also a documentary. Documentary documentarian. Documentarian. I think that's a word.
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Top Lobster
You got it.
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Ryder Lee
Documentary documentarian. Tartarian. Document Tartarian. And I have two films on Amazon Prime, JFKX and A Clockwork. Shiny.
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David Lee Corbo
Very cool.
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Top Lobster
Awesome. I'm excited, I'm excited to get into your work today because it's a little bit of a special preview, something you're working on. And I think you realize that our little, our spiel had some significant overlap and we probably get a lot of facts wrong. So I'm sure your research is much better than ours. Excited to hear about it. This is like Operation Stargate DIA CIA Secret operations, MK Ultra, right? What are we getting into, man? What's the name of it?
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Ryder Lee
Well, what got me started down this rabbit hole was that I was studying the MK Ultra documents just like you guys were, and I realized that there were several sub projects of MK Ultra. There's 149 sub projects. Well, I mean, that's the ones that we know of, right?
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David Lee Corbo
Because it said that 149.
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Ryder Lee
It was said that a lot of them got destroyed. So a lot of the records of MK Ultra, over half of them all got destroyed and burned. Right? But out of the ones that we know of the 149 sub projects, there were five sub projects that was dedicated to psychic research and trying to induce these types of psychic experiences. You know, intuition, remote viewing, telekinesis. And I was like huh, that's really interesting because I know that the government had a psychic spy remote viewing program. So are these two things connected? And then I was like, well, I need to try and get a hold of these people. So of the people that are legitimately in the Stargate remote viewing program were formerly was in the program, which is another thing because I think that they continued this program. They just did it under something completely different. They found a different use for it and then they started doing that. And that's probably still going on to this day, though we have real, really no proof and no evidence other than there's a lady that was in the Stargate psychic spy program that is still working within the government. So all the people that are on the list that was officially in the program, which is less than 20 people, has ever been in the Stargate remote viewing unit, dia, Army Intelligence. That's actually another thing.
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David Lee Corbo
Smaller group than I thought it would be. They're really kind of keeping that under wraps.
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Ryder Lee
It's way smaller. And that's another issue and another problem because so many people claim to be a part of the Stargate program right when they're not and they never were. But there was another program that was kind of running simultaneously that kind of had some overlap which was the Gateway program. And some people may have been a part of the Gateway program and they're getting it confused with the Stargate program because they're very similar in name and it was a long time ago, but. But that was done by Robert Monroe, as you guys probably know about the Gateway program. But those two names are very similar. So people could go to Robert Monroe at the Monroe Institute and that was to like try and induce an out of body experience by putting the frequencies in your head and you know, you put on listen to tapes and then that was to induce an out of body experience. And now the only overlap between that is that a few people from the Stargate program ended up going to the Monroe Institute, like Joe McMonagle, he left the Stargate program and started up at the Monroe Institute. He's essentially the head of the Monroe Institute to this very day. So there's a lot of people that have gotten that kind of confused. And you could essentially go to the Monroe Institute back in the day and pay them money and then you would go through this type of, you know, gateway experience to try and induce an out of body experience. So but those things are not really connected at all. They're two separate things. And. But the only connection that there is is that I might Be jumping the gun a little bit here. But the. At some point army intelligence paid Robert Monroe in the Monroe Institute. I think it was like $2,000, it's in the official documents, around $2,000 to send their army intelligence people to go to the Monroe Institute to do this gateway program. Because they thought maybe somehow it would help with, you know, what they were doing, like to try and see if any of this stuff is connected. Is an out of body experience connected to having psychic abilities, which I think that it is. I think that out of body experiences and NDE experiences or near death experiences are also connected. Because whenever you have an NDE experience, people normally come back different, right? So they, whenever they leave their body or if they have an auto body experience and then they come back into their body, they're normally different. They normally like want to change their lives. And that's another rabbit hole that I went down as well. Like it seems like that they are a completely different person whenever they come back. So it's like, well, what is coming back into them? Is that a different consciousness? Is that a split consciousness? Is that their own consciousness? Is that their own consciousness mixed with some other consciousness? Who knows? No one really knows. But I think that more study needs to be done into NDEs and these psychic abilities because a lot of the people that I've talked to that were that claim to be psychic and some of the people that were a part of this official Stargate remote viewing unit by DIA and Army Intelligence have had near death experiences.
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David Lee Corbo
I wonder if many of them have had abduction experiences because there seems to be a big overlap and a lot of at least the, the patterns in the storytelling that people will come back from abduction experiences or even ND near death experiences, things of that nature. You know, it's. This is a little bit of an aside, but I wanted to mention this. I was watching. What the hell's the name of the show? Top with the autistic people I love on the spectrum.
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Top Lobster
Love on the spectrum.
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David Lee Corbo
And I got to that part where the, the they mentioned synesthesia and the, you know, the one boyfriend, autistic boyfriend, he associates numbers with colors. But what I thought was really significant about it is later on the girlfriend sings a song. Did you get to that part yet? Top where the.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, I buried my head under the pillow.
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David Lee Corbo
It's a very cringy moment. But I was like, this is a good song though. It is a good song. Like you could hear it on the radio. There was no verses. I mean, there was no chorus, right? There was no hook. It was just straight lyrics, dude. Like she just killed it for three minutes, didn't repeat. But I, I was listening to her and I'm like, it's not like she has a tremendous voice, but she knows exactly like where her pitch should be. And I started thinking about that where you were talking about perfect pitch top. And I'm looking at this couple and like it's so strange because she does have this uncanny ability to, to present the correct pitch. This is a well done pop song. If you just reduced it a little bit and added a chorus, this could be a banger on, on, you know, on, on the radio. But then also his ability to see numbers associated with colors. I thought that was very strange.
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Top Lobster
And yeah, another guy with the hat as well. I, I don't know, I don't know where this is leading to, but he, he's like a dj, autistic dude that's a dj. And the girl that he was on the date with is naming every song and he's telling her the key signature. And even the time slips within the song just by thinking about it. So that's perfect pitch as well. It's like, that's extreme perfect pitch just thinking of the song, not even hearing it.
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David Lee Corbo
The reason that I was thinking about that is because I know that there is a frequency that is associated with disassociation. So much of what we're looking at here, whether it's near death experiences or out of body experiences, astral projecting, remote viewing, you name it. Even the, the, the Monroe Institute, there's, there's tapes, you could listen to the tapes and they'll, they'll teach you in, in some way how to disassociate. And then even going back to like the Gates program, when you're listening to that and they're trying to find out if you're a fit for the gifted and talented, what the ever. It's all frequency based. It's like they'll put a set a headset on you and they'll go, can you hear that tone? Can you hear that tone? Can you? And they, they get harder and harder to perceive. But in the, in the Monroe method or whatever it's called, and then also in astral projection, there's like a binaural beats aspect to it. So if you want to astral project, if you want to disassociate, there's actually, and I'm not recommending people do this, but there are binaural beats, there are frequencies that you can listen to that will get Your, your mind in the correct space to then somehow slip out of your body. And so, so basically what I'm saying is all of these things are, are connected. There's a frequency or frequency is at the heart of all of this.
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Ryder Lee
I don't really trust those tapes though, because you have no idea what people put in there or what people actually did with those tapes. Like they could sneak in other different kinds of stuff into the tapes. Like who knows what's actually in those types of tapes. So I personally don't trust them. But apparently you have to have some sort of old school headphones for them to actually work. Because apparently the types of frequencies that are coming through there, like the new headphones don't emit that old style type of frequency. So you have to have an old ass pair of headphones for them to work. But you're mentioning like this, this idea that, because I think it was, was a Thomas Campbell that was on Joe Rogan where he was essentially talking about the Monroe Institute and he was really good friends with Robert Monroe. And he essentially every time that he would sit down and do a meditation, he would be outside of his body. And he was a computer programmer, right? And he was like, like computer science stuff. And whenever he was set down to meditate, he would instantly be outside of his body and then he would see all of the errors in all of his code whenever he was sit down to meditate. So then whenever he would go back to fix this code, he would automatically know where all the errors are. He didn't have to do any trial and error with any of his stuff. So something he was tapping into some kind of information data field out there that was giving him the answers to his code. I thought that was one of the more interesting Joe Rogan episodes of recent times because he's essentially talking about Robert Monroe and the Monroe Institute and how he would sit down and do this meditation and he would be given all this information about his work and how to fix his code.
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David Lee Corbo
That's fascinating. I wonder if there's a connection there because we're aware of that guy. What is it? The, the surgeon of the rusty knife or something like that. And, but in his issue, this is a guy that had no formal training in surgery, but then was able to still conduct surgery to quite a degree of success, curing people from various ailments, cutting tumors out and things of that nature. Previously he was just a taxi cab driver, but the, the story for that is outright that he was channeling. But, but I don't know I mean.
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Top Lobster
A lot of kids as well, they talk about the Akashic records. I don't even know what I think about that. I guess it's like this sort of thing that's in the ethereal realm that can be tapped into and looked at. Is that what we're describing, Ryder?
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Ryder Lee
Nobody knows what that is. They like to throw that word out there. Akashic. I'm in the Akashic records. I'm seeing all the records. I know exactly what's going on. And then they have no idea what that means or what that even is. It's like the Halls of Amente, right? They're like. A lot of this stuff is metaphorical and allegorical. It's not like a literal place and it's not a literal thing. And that's a really big issue too. But there was a place that I was going and I completely lost my train of thought there with the Akashic record stuff.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, I just want to say as an aside that our boy Donut made an attempt, I don't know to what degree he found any success or anything like that, but he made an attempt to listen to the, the Monroe tapes to try to get into this remote viewing mind space and, and to try to view the Akashic records. I don't know if he had any sort success with that. He's still a podcaster, so I would have, I would imagine, no. I don't know what kind of things you gleam from the Akashic records, but if they're not helping you to, to get out of this grind, then I don't know what, what worth they actually are.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah. So essentially what happened was, is I got a hold of the people that I knew that were verifiably in the Stargate program. A person that you got a hold of them? Yeah. I've had a majority of Them on my show. Yeah. So I had this one gentleman on that, I had met it at UFO Megacon like three or four years ago. He, his name is Trey Hudson. He's former dod, he worked in the military and everything. And I had him on my show. I was like, hey bro, like, you know, what do you know about this remote viewing stuff? Because the remote viewing Army Intelligence DIA program was also under the banner of the DoD. So essentially the DoD runs everything and there's these like sub people that are underneath it that are, that have the name that, that are essentially also running it, but it's all under the dod. The Department of Defense essentially runs every single program regardless of it's all under the DOD banner. Right. I was like, well, what do you know about these remote viewing programs? And he was like, well, I know a lot about them. Like I have all of the documents on them. I was like, okay. And at this time, very few of the documents were available online. Like you couldn't just type in Sun Streak remote viewing document and the CIA's website pulls up and you can read about it, which is happening now. Yeah, like the Sun Streak document where they're talking about the Ark of the Covenant being remote viewed. Which I know exactly who the person was that's been on my show. That was the person that remote view Dark at the Covenant.
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David Lee Corbo
Really? So what do you think about that, that claim?
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Ryder Lee
Well, I haven't exactly gotten his opinion on it yet, but I've had all this information for around three years now. I've had all, all of the documents. I've known about this for a really long time and I've kind of just been sitting on it because I've been wanting to do something really big with it. Been wanting to put together something really big. And it's going to be the basis of my newest and latest documentary that's going to be on this stuff. So you guys are getting a really big preview right now of the kind of essence and the basis of what that documentary is going to be.
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Top Lobster
When will it be out or when do you think?
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Ryder Lee
Well, I'm in the writing phases right now. I'm almost finished, you know, completely writing it and then we'll probably go into production at the hopefully middle of summer. I'm gonna try and knock out a few interviews in the middle of summer. So it probably won't be out probably close to the end of the year. So.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, exactly. I see David's a little clockwork and the monkey with the symbols. Right.
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Ryder Lee
You're on the Western California. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Okay.
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David Lee Corbo
I mean that's not a problem. That's not solvable. We are having.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, Bohemian Grove is going to be the 20th and 21st June, right?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, 20th and 21st June. And a lot of the material is going to be about this.
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Top Lobster
And Ryder, maybe we can, we might be able to present you a little caveat if we can get you down there. We are going to have, or I mean our plan is, and we most likely will have a documentary crew that's going to be working on this, so recording most of this event that's going on at least the conspiracy side, not, not necessarily the comedy side. And we were planning on doing our own documentary, but maybe we can collaborate or maybe there's something to do there if you, you know, I don't know, we'll think about that.
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David Lee Corbo
Put that a little open invitation, Ryder, and maybe we'll iron out some of those details later on. But yeah, there's, there's a huge amount of overlap between what we're doing and what you're doing. But to your credit, you're actually talking to the bugging people that were there. We're not doing that.
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Ryder Lee
And that was really important to me because like I was mentioning for sure, I'm 100% down with that. Let's the chat after the show for sure, let's get in contact with that because I'm definitely interested. But that was really important for me to actually reach out to the people that were involved in these programs. And I had some of these people on before a lot of before they freaking. Lex, not Lex Freeman, what's his name? Sean Ryan had them on their show before he started delving deep into the remote viewing stuff. Like I had had Angela Ford on like three years ago and then he recently just had Angela Ford on his show. So I've been in contact with these people and I know them and I've. I consider myself pretty good friends with them. And it was important for me to actually talk to them because there's a lot of people that are like self proclaimed remote viewers, but they're not really remote viewing. And these government remote viewers will tell you that they're not remote viewing. They're using their imagination. There's a very. And people can argue with me about this, whatever. But you can now go on and see the document online. You can now go on and see the sun street document. Okay, so. And that's where I got the bulk of my information because it essentially lays out the entire history of the government remote viewing program and their study and their interest into it. It's a very sophisticated process. Like you can't just sit down and close your eyes and remote view something. That's not the way the remote viewing works. It's never been designed that way. It's a very strenuous, sophisticated process. Like you have to have people that assign the target and the person that is assigning the target cannot. They have to be essentially be trained to assign the target. Okay. You can't just look at a photo of like, let's say I have this freaking Antarctica Reader's Digest book here. I can't just look at the COVID of this freaking Antarctica book. And then all of a sudden, remote view Antarctica.
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David Lee Corbo
Right. I was wondering if you look into it. We became aware of the remote viewing phenomenon, obviously peripherally aware forever it's been around for so long. But we ended up knocking into it content wise when it came to the Cliff High predictions in his web bot. And Cliff High, for those of you who don't know. But this is our audience. So they fucking. They're rolling their eyes right now.
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Top Lobster
No, it's been long enough. They probably.
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David Lee Corbo
Long enough. Okay, fine. So they're not doing. They're doing half an eye roll.
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Top Lobster
Have you spoke with this guy?
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David Lee Corbo
Is that the guy from Cliff Heise remote viewing?
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Top Lobster
Dick Allgire, I think his name is.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, there's Dick, I've heard of him.
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Ryder Lee
I don't know about him though.
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David Lee Corbo
So essentially what happens is Cliff High, he has a. A rudimentary AI bot that scrapes data off the Internet and through that data in conjunction with some emotionally charged vocabulary. It's a little bit weird. He's able to derive predictions or at least the AI is able to derive predictions about the future. And it spits out key phrases and words and it leaves Cliff as the interpreter of these key phrases and words. And one of the things that it predicted was the Donald Trump and Joe Rogan interview on the jre. That happened like I guess a year. A year ago now? Was it a year ago? How long ago?
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Top Lobster
Maybe, maybe Ryder, you could explain to us. Yeah, that was about. No, that was October. That was when Bohemian Grove happened, like right before the last one.
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David Lee Corbo
The short of it is just that to flesh out the rest of that prediction he used a remote viewer and.
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Top Lobster
There, there are numbers that he gave him which I like. I don't understand that all how it works. Yeah, he gave him. It was like R and then like maybe six numbers. And the guy was able to take those numbers and then Remote view, whatever from that.
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David Lee Corbo
And he got to your point, writer clif. Cliff couldn't tell him details about what he wanted him to view.
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Top Lobster
He didn't even tell him it was.
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Ryder Lee
That's exactly right. It's a. It's a blind remote viewing. If you know the target, you can't remote view the target because your subconscious mind has already been tricked into believing what you're going to see.
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David Lee Corbo
Dude, that's. Okay, so sometimes that's what people don't understand.
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Ryder Lee
That's what they don't get about this remote viewing stuff. They think that they can just sit down and look at whatever and then just remove you. It. That's not remote viewing. That's just sitting down and closing your eyes and using your freaking imagination.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Ryder Lee
Of what you think that you're supposed to see. The remote viewer is blind to the target. That's where the person that is assigning the target comes in. Okay, so the person that's assigning the target essentially has to.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, there it goes.
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Ryder Lee
So, okay, this. This. The set of numbers right here, this was basically invented by Ingo Swan. Right. It's called coordinate remote viewing. The. The coordinates isn't. They don't mean anything.
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David Lee Corbo
Really?
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Ryder Lee
The coordinates don't mean anything.
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David Lee Corbo
So are they somehow inherently charged with something?
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Ryder Lee
Exactly.
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David Lee Corbo
Okay, okay. All right.
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Top Lobster
Intention.
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Ryder Lee
Whoa.
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Top Lobster
That's crazy. That's even crazier, dude.
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David Lee Corbo
That's even crazier. Yeah, because. Because if they're coordinates, you go, oh, they've mapped out the astral realm. And it's like, that's not what's happening here. There is an intent that's imbued upon that coded, you know, series of numbers and. And letters, and that somehow that other person, that remote viewer, can tap into the intent that you've bestowed upon that code. That's exactly.
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Top Lobster
Writer. Another. Another thing with. So in the upper right hand corner in the. In the middle of the page here, he has like a. It's a compass, and we think it's a spirit compass. Is this something that you've seen as well?
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Ryder Lee
What part am I looking at?
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David Lee Corbo
A little bit.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, that right there. Circle with a cross.
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Ryder Lee
Well, this is like a sketch. And what do they call it? An idiot. Not an ideogram or. There's a specific word for what they sketch out. So whenever the remote viewer is doing a remote viewing session, like a legit remote viewer, like a government remote viewer, people that have been trained to be able to remote view like. And some of these people within the Stargate program do train other people on how to remote view. And they go through the process. So what essentially happens is whenever they're remote viewing, they sketch out, like, all the details. Like if you were to pull up the. Well, you probably can't find it because it's not readily available online. But. But if you were to pull up the syndicate document from SRI from 1973, you will see in the syndicate SRI document all the sketches.
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David Lee Corbo
Too fast, Trevor. Too fast.
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Ryder Lee
I know what I'm doing, mom.
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Ryder Lee
Go team.
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Top Lobster
Shh.
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David Lee Corbo
They're here.
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Ryder Lee
That Pat Price and Ingo Swann was doing on the target that was given to them on the base in West Virginia. On the military base in West Virginia. So they essentially sketch everything out and then they write, like little details because if they don't, then they're. You're relying on total recall. You're relying on them to remember all the information. But it's normally a lot of information coming at them at one time. So they have to sketch things out, they have to scratch things down. Like Joe McMonagle, he got information that the, the. That there was this big, huge hangar, this brand new submarine that was being built unlike any other submarine that had ever been seen before. And then he sketched all that out and how it was, how it operated, what it looked like, the hangar that it was in. And that's how they got the information.
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David Lee Corbo
See, I. I think this is a natural phenomenon, but that does need to be trained because I think we all have something. Like my grandmother, interestingly enough, was a alien abductee victim also wrote, hand wrote a lot of paperwork on remote viewing. Unfortunately, she died when I was a kid. So, like, I never got to ask her these questions. I can't imagine, like, why the. A woman would be writing paperwork on the process of remote viewing. Very, very strange. But I think that, you know, she fancied herself a clairvoyant too. I. I think I have some remnant of that, but what gets in the way every single time. And I. I've, like, set out to do this. Like, I've laid down and be like, let's go, baby. Because weird does happen. I do go to weird places. I do see weird things. As soon as I try to think about what the. Is happening, everything goes away. Everything goes away the second I scrutinize it. And I'm like, what am I seeing?
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Ryder Lee
What.
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David Lee Corbo
What is this? What is this? As soon as I do, it just. It all fades away. And I'm just looking at blackness behind my eyeballs again. So there's like, there's an. There's something that is intrinsic to us. Like, we have it. It's within our nature, or else we wouldn't be able to train it. Right. But it seems like there is a process, because if there wasn't a process, like, if it was just a natural, like, think real hard type of thing, I'd have done it already. I used to be homeless, and I would spend a lot of time in the dark at night, too sad to sleep, just looking at the blackness behind my eyeballs. That there is a process. I. I agree with that. It. It needs to be trained. And then. And then the question is, should it? I don't know. I don't know if it should. I'm still, you know, waiting around in those. In those waters. But. But I do think that there is a natural aspect to this.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah. That's what all of them will tell you, is that, you know, we all have this ability to do it. It's just like a muscle that needs to be exercised. Right. Like, you don't build muscle by not exercising and sitting on your couch all day. Right. You have to go to the gym and, like, work that out. And you have to train yourself, and you have to have discipline. So if you're not flexing that muscle and you're not training, then it essentially just lays dormant.
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David Lee Corbo
Atrophies.
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Ryder Lee
Yes.
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David Lee Corbo
Interesting, interesting.
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Ryder Lee
Now, the information that I've gotten into is, which is the, you know, the main reason that I'm, you know, here today. And it may not seem like it's important to a lot of people, but it's really important to me. Right. Because I think that it's you, you have to understand how this army intelligence psychic spy program, you know, came to be in the history of. Because it's very convoluted. There's several name changes, there's different funding apparatuses. And I've, you know, so. So this is like a compilation of the basis of what's going to be my documentary. And I mean, obviously it doesn't have all the remote viewers testimony and exactly what they were doing in there, in here, because this is based off of all of the documents that I have on remote viewing from official unclassified documents. So really, in order to like figure out the Stargate remote viewing unit at 4 Mead, first off, you would have to have a. Like, in order to be in this program, you have to have a military record of being in the program. Right, because it's a military program. So several of the people that are claiming to be a part of this program are just lying and they're making things up. And that seems that is technically like committing like stolen valor. Right? They're claiming things that absolutely cannot be verified and that they were never a part of. Like they're pretending to be in the military. And that's another thing that people don't really realize because the CIA is one thing, the military is a completely different thing. And when people think that this was a CIA program, it's easy to say, oh, well, you know, you really can't get in trouble for seeing that you were in some sort of CIA program. There's not really strict laws around that, but there are more strict laws when it comes to stolen valor. And being. Seeing that you were a part of a military program when you weren't. So everything that I'm getting ready to mention, unless I clarify and say that it's not a part of the documents and my, it's my own personal opinion came from these verified Defense Intelligence Agency unclassified documents. I've read them several times and I even reread them to make sure that everything that I'm about to say is very accurate.
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David Lee Corbo
All right, well, before we do that then I have to. This is such a perfect time to end this for people. Guys, we're at the 34 minute mark, which means that we are now going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad. There are two places actually where you can continue watching along. You can go to Ryder's YouTube page, raised by Giants, and continue watching the entire episode there. If you don't subscribe while you're there, you're an or you can go over to our patreon patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad and continue being a part of the live chat, checking out this conversation and also gaining early access to the episode. And you know, not an ad or it's an ad free viewing experience. So you can go and check that out too. Otherwise we are out of here. Bye, guys. All right, now that they are at. It's nice when somebody brings. I read the documents, I double read the doc and then I went back and I verified that I read the documents the right way. That's really nice. That's refreshing. We don't get that on this show. We don't read documents at all. Actually, we go entirely with our balls, which is why baby falls to the wall. So very refreshing to hear that somebody has read something and and are now going to present it to two dudes who can't read. I'm really looking forward to this. So pick it up wherever you'd like. Ryder.
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Ryder Lee
Well, apparently a lot of people can't read. Seems like that. I know that you're joking, but a lot of Americans, like a lot of kids nowadays, can't read. They can't, right? They can't spell, they can't tell time. It's unbelievable. But so pretty much all of the military services at one point in time or another has been involved in psychoenergetics. Now, psychoenergetics is what is described in these documents. They don't come out and really say remote viewing. They refer to it as psychoenergetics. And most of the military services have found that it's applications oriented, meaning that they found a use for it. Now that doesn't mean that they all ran their own programs. They did not. But what I mean by that they were involved is that they would give tasking to Army Intelligence in the diagnosis. Right. It doesn't mean that they all ran their own separate programs. But the CIA could task army intelligence and the DIA to on a target. Right. So if we had a missing downed airplane in Russia or whatever, then the CIA would contact army intelligence and the DIA on this target and then they would have their remote viewers try and remove you or the missing downed airplane. Right. That's the way that it works. But people have lumped all of these things in together and think that everybody had their own like remote viewing unit. But they did. Okay, so where all this starts is with sri Stanford Research Institute. But the government was also doing studies in parapsychology earlier than SRI. They did it with Duke University in the 30s, Parapsychology foundation in New York in the 50s, Mind Science foundation in the 60s, and a bunch of other research foundations and centers earlier than sri. But the thing that kicked it off was SRI in the early 70s. So it's important to establish a little bit of background on SRI. SRI's first research investigation was whether a plant could be used as a source of natural rubber. So from 1942 to 1946, that funding to figure out if a plant could be used as a source of like, rubber for the war. For World War II, that funding got cut. So in 1947, the Air Force wanted to determine if U.S. aircraft, the U.S. aircraft industry had like expansion potential. Right. So after the war they were like, okay, well how far can we expand this aircraft industry? SRI found that it would take too long to escalate the production in an emergency. So in 1948, SRI began research and consultation for the Chevron Corporation to develop an artificial substitute for coconut oil and in soap products. Right. So the reason for mentioning all that is to establish that SRI is a government contractor.
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Ryder Lee
And most government contractors are front for the intelligence community. And it's also establishing the SRI worked for the Air Force prior, which is a very important thing to remember when we get into things later on. So SRI formerly separated from Stanford Research. Well, Stanford University. Sorry.
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Top Lobster
When, when was that study done about the, the rubber tree plant? The, the rubber plant?
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Ryder Lee
The rubber plant was in 1942.
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Top Lobster
Okay. All right. For some reason I just like they used to sing us this dumbass song in school. It's a Frank Sinatra song. Yeah, the rubber tree plant. I was like, I never like, what the. What are you talking about here? A rubber tree plant. But like, over and over we'd sing it. I just wonder if there's yeah, the ants.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
It never really made sense to me, but I was like, yeah, okay.
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David Lee Corbo
It's a strange song.
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Top Lobster
I'm sorry, Ryder. That was.
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Ryder Lee
And it was done by sri, bro.
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David Lee Corbo
It just triggered our MK Ultra programming. Go shoot up something. I don't know what just happened, but something taking over me.
- [42:02]
Ryder Lee
So SRI formally split from Stanford University in 1970, but it didn't become known as SRI International until 1977, which is another contention. There's kind of two separations here going on. So you have SRI, you have Stanford Research, then you have SRI International. And that was in Palo Alto, California, which I was just in a couple of weeks ago and just drove through Palo alto. But in 1972, the United States Army Surgeon General, through the Medical Intelligence Information Agency, together with the dia, published studies of Soviet block work in psychoenergetics. And also in that same year, Sri Stanford Research Institute started research on psychoenergetics. So in 1972, how put off in Russell Targ, they did a series of investigations of. Into the psychic phenomenon. And this was funded by the CIA and had consciousness researchers. Ingo Swan, Pat Price, Uri Geller. That's where Uri Geller came out of. But then they got rid of him because they thought that he was some sort of Mossad infiltrator. But. And this kicked off the Syndicate document that I was mentioning earlier, where you can read through the Syndicate document and you can see these. The. The work and the remote viewing that Ingo Swann and Pat Price was doing on this target in West Virginia. And it's really incredible. I really recommend if people can find it, just to look through it, because they're giving like details, bro, like there. It's like impossible for somebody in California to know exactly what's going on in West Virginia, what this facility looks like. What's he. They had the wind speed, they knew how windy it was, what the temperature was, and all this is recorded in this document. So Syndicate was the SRI project to determine if remote viewing psychoenergetic phenomenon was real. Because if it was possible, then that the, you know, the subjects that SRI were working with on like the psychoenergetic phenomenon, and if they could be using psychic powers to collect information that could they be getting that information subliminally? Could. How are they getting this information? So that was sri's study. Is the verify. Are they really psychics or are they really using their psychic abilities?
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David Lee Corbo
Dude, I'm like, I'm thinking about how you would try to dismiss that, because obviously you. You wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions and you'd want to try to, you know, disprove this if, if there was any way possible. Right. You said, like, are they subliminally getting, like, I can't think if somebody accurately is describing the wind speed on the other side of the country, you know, among many other confirmable details. I wouldn't know how the. I couldn't figure out how to reach to dismiss that. I really, really.
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Ryder Lee
I think some things are like, oh, well, are they, are they getting it from memory? Like, are they just making. Are they just making stuff up? But.
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David Lee Corbo
Right. I mean, there is a chance. Right. You make up some and it ends up being correct. But you know, there's going to be probability when it comes to how often, you know, whatever your success ratio is. And that's gonna really on. On your ability to dismiss that.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah. And that was one of their tests that, that's what they were doing. They were doing in a series of tests, like all back to back and to see how accurate the remote viewers actually were. And this gentleman named, well, it's referred to in the documents as a businessman, but we now know his name was Pat Price. They just refer to him as Pat in the official documents. So when Pat Price got the. This coordinate that was given to him by Hal put off in Russell Targ, he remote viewed this area in West Virginia. Now it was supposed to be one of, I think that it was either Hal put off or Russell Targ's like, cabin that was in West Virginia. So whenever they got the coordinate and Pat Price remote viewed it, he was like, he was describing this facility that had like radar systems. And it was, it was a US top secret facility that.
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David Lee Corbo
In this guy's cabin.
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Ryder Lee
Well, not right over the hill of this guy's cabin. Oh, just right on the back side of the, of the hill from where this cabin was.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Chances are he doesn't go over the hill. He goes through it or under it or some. You know what I mean? There's a tunnel system. Get out of here, man. Yeah, I just want to say too, on this topic of like, you know, you're laying out how this thing was compelling, but still there's strenuous testing that has to be done to confirm whether or not this is an actual phenomenon or is it just guessing or is it something like that? And that's part of the reason that I find the whole telepathy tapes thing so underwhelming. It's overwhelming in the way that it connects to a much bigger picture and It's. There seems to be some obfuscation that's. That's embedded within the telepathy tapes to paint a narrative in a certain light. But the reality of the situation is there. They have these children, they're displaying these things, and then they're like, yeah, anecdotally, it seems to be, you know, working, but obviously this is groundbreaking and we have to do research. It's like, the research's already been done, dude. It's all. It's not groundbreaking. This has been happening for a long time. A lot of what these kids are describing in the telepathy tapes is remote viewing because it's not just telepathy. It's interesting they called it telepathy tapes because some of these children are describing how they can be any. Absolutely anywhere they want to be, which is, you know, that's remote viewing, in my opinion. But it's just really funny that the way that the public is receiving this is. It's groundbreaking. It's a new development, and we got to study this asap. But what you're telling me, Ryder, is that these breakthroughs have been happening for a long time, and there are governing bodies and there are intelligence agencies and military operations that have a vested interest in finding out whether or not this phenomenon is real.
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Top Lobster
We. We also had some weird evidence come to us about. About these tapes and these children with the idea of the hill that they're meeting on this hill.
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David Lee Corbo
It's the hill behind this dude's house.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. On the other side of his government agency. Somebody just said that their. Their non verbal autistic kid, I guess, was. They were watching the episode, our episode with this woman named Fringe, who's an abductee, and we kind of touched on this. And a listener's non verbal autistic kid reported to her that her kid then told her that, yeah, he's been to the hill. And she says, where is it? And the kid just said, Utah.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Yeah. So. So she's listening to our episode. She turns to her own autistic child and says, have you ever been to the hill? And the kid goes, yeah. And then she goes, where is it? And this kid just says, utah. And I, I. Utah is fascinating to me because of all the, like, electromagnetic disturbances there. I think that plays with frequencies in a huge way that suggests that there's something in the geography of Utah specifically that is like thinning the veil. Frequencies and entities are coming in and out, and of all places for this hill, Walker Ranch. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Skinwalker Ranch, Proving Grounds, things like that. So I don't know where to put that. It's just something that we've got.
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David Lee Corbo
It's fascinating. And, and of course, if you look into Utah, there are two major military bases. I forget what they are. So it's like there's military bases, there's national forests, and there's skinwalker ranch. So there's plenty of places, you know, in Utah where this could be happening. But yeah, just a, just a strange aside is all.
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Ryder Lee
Well, also, Utah was one of the first states to do these, like, wilderness retreats for, like, troubled teens.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, dude, that's nefarious. Troubled teens. Wilderness getaways for troubled teens. Man. I wonder how many of those troubled teens went mia.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah, that's a, that was a really big issue with Utah. And they're still doing them to this very day. Like, there's still things like the, the behavioral treatment of like, troubled teens is like a huge industry.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah. Because those troubled teens have pestered and, and upset their parents to no end. If they went missing, some of those parents would breathe a sigh of relief.
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Top Lobster
They said it started in, in the 60s. The. Starting with initiatives like those at the Brigham Young university in the 1960s. The Mormon connection is also fascinating. Quite shady.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Interesting stuff.
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David Lee Corbo
Mormons. What do you. What are you Mormons up to out there? Which you're.
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Ryder Lee
And then that turned into like, facilities, right? Like after it became like this wilderness retreat thing where they would have these kids, these troubled teens hiking for the entire summer in the mountains of Utah. Then it turned into like a, like a facility where they would be abducted in the middle of the night. Like their parents would pay this company to come to their house in the middle of the night.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah.
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Ryder Lee
And like put them in a blacked out van and drive them to this freaking facility.
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David Lee Corbo
Imagine that. Imagine. And some of those kids, I'm sure they experimented on. So imagine never knowing, like, you thought it was a tricky thing you were gonna do to your kid. You're gonna show them what it's like, you know, have these show up in the middle of the night and then you, you effectively just trafficked your child. I was, I was watching. I was watching Stranger Things season one again. It's honestly a tremendous show. And Stranger Things, it's really great, man. Especially that first season and it had been so long since I watched it. I was floored with how transparent they are in that. In that first season where they're like, they're telling you MK Ultra, you know, trauma based disassociative disorders, like all this Crazy crap. They're just saying it. That's. There's. Telling you that's where 11 comes from, is a MK Ultra breakaway branch, essentially. And you know that her father unlocked her abilities. Yes, that's always. That's.
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Ryder Lee
That's.
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David Lee Corbo
Honestly, I made a tweet the other day. It fell on deaf ears. Wasn't the banger that I thought it was, but I just said, yeah, oh, yeah, it happens constantly. I said disassociation by way of sensory deprivation. That's kind of how you can summarize this whole thing. And that sensory deprivation manifests as multiple things. Right. Because in Stranger Things, eleven is creating a float tank, you know, so that's a sensory deprivation tank. But then on the other side of it, another form of sensory deprivation is where you depress, deprive children of their own autonomy and connection to their physical body, you know, by way of inoculation or some like that. And then even. Even in the. The. Let's say the. The UFO phenomenon, I think there is a huge motivation to disassociate when. When you're. When you're taken, or perceivably taken by entities, it causes. It splits the mind, you know, because you're dealing with. What's up.
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Top Lobster
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David Lee Corbo
Yo, Dr. Phil, by the way, did that to Catch Me Outside Girl.
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Top Lobster
This is what I'm reading right now. This is.
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David Lee Corbo
Whisked her away and took her to a facility where they abused her. And she. She actually took up arms again.
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Top Lobster
Turnabout Ranch in Utah. It's a facility that we're talking about. It's for trouble. Yeah. So they're claiming physical, emotional, and sexual abuse at the ranch. They accused him, like, he just said that he's negligent of, like, knowing. And then there was a murder in 2016 as well. Damn, man. This is. This is 2016.
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David Lee Corbo
That's what that. What's that girl's name? The Catch Me Outside girl.
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Top Lobster
That baby, right?
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David Lee Corbo
That baby. That's right. That kid. Nobody listens to her because she's out of her mind, you know, because she thinks she's black or whatever the case is. But she got taken to that facility, and then when she came out, she dedicated a lot of time and resources to try, like, effectively whistleblowing on that facility and saying that there was all kinds of abuse and that she was abused there and that they're just doing this. That it's a rotating or a perpetual thing.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah, Paris Hilton went through the Same exact thing.
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David Lee Corbo
That's right.
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Top Lobster
Something's going on in Utah.
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David Lee Corbo
Some is going on in Utah. That's fascinating because if they Canyon, bro.
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Ryder Lee
That's where Paris Hilton went to was Provo Canyon.
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David Lee Corbo
Is that in Utah?
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Ryder Lee
Teen behavioral facility. I think that Provo Canyons in might be in Arizona. It's either in Arizona or.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, but that's like very much the same place.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah, it's the. But it's the exact same type of facility. Right.
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David Lee Corbo
They're right next to each other. Right. Arizona and Utah. I'm geographically retarded but I'm pretty sure I drove through both of them when I went to Vegas so. Oh no, they're right there.
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Top Lobster
Provo Canyon School.
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Ryder Lee
Canyon is in Utah. There it is.
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David Lee Corbo
The is going on in Utah.
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Top Lobster
I like these episodes where we start to connect dots like irl so dumb.
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David Lee Corbo
And then with somehow though every once in a while we're like, this makes sense. Oh, that's so cool man. That's so cool. As these kids are getting molested.
- [55:49]
Top Lobster
It's super cool.
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David Lee Corbo
Good God, man.
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Ryder Lee
But it doesn't. It doesn't help them at all. It's like. And the problem is is that the parents that send these kids to these teen behavioral places.
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David Lee Corbo
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Ryder Lee
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Ryder Lee
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Ryder Lee
A lot of them are not bad kids.
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David Lee Corbo
No.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah, that's the issue. That's the problem with the whole thing. Like any parent that sends their, their kid to one of these facilities full damn well knowing exactly what it is like they're not, they're probably not that bad of a kid. And, and that's the. And whenever they get in there, dude, they're freaking hit with all this like mind control programming.
- [57:37]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [57:37]
Ryder Lee
Like they're taught to be a certain way. They all have to dress the same. They all wear a uniform.
- [57:42]
David Lee Corbo
They're trying to break you.
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Ryder Lee
They're trying to literally break you down. And. But it never works. It just makes them 100 times worse. And Paris Hilton was lucky because her, you know, her family owns all the Hilton Hotel, so she was already rich and she was like already famous, so she was able to escape that. But many of them that have been through these programs, their lives do not get better. They often get worse. And I think that these types of facilities are what some of the secret space program people have been through. And they've covered up that trauma of going through one of these teen health facilities by thinking that they, that they were in some sort of top secret government. Which it was. It was a government funded facility. Normally a lot of these are government funded facilities. Right.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Ryder Lee
And. And they've replaced that trauma with some fantasy.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's actually kind of natural to do. Create some kind of a story to block out this time frame. Yeah, that's dark, dude.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah. Look, in the WASP programs, that's, that's what they were are. It's like this curriculum that a lot of these behavioral teen health facilities are, is called WASP programs. But I actually ran into a girl that went to one of these in Utah. But I was not familiar with it at the time. I worked in a behavioral health, alcohol and drug treatment center for around five years. And I had ran into her. She was like really young. She had just like turned 18. And she was showing me photos of this facility that she was at in Utah. Like the, she was all. She was like telling me all the stuff and it wasn't registering with me at the time because.
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David Lee Corbo
Right.
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Ryder Lee
You know, when you're dealing with people that are, you know, drug and alcohol, people like, you don't know exactly what is true. What's not true are they just making stuff up. But she was showing me the photos of her in this facility and all the things that she was. The, the they were doing to her.
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David Lee Corbo
And, and what were they doing?
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Ryder Lee
I didn't, I didn't even think of that until I had gone down this huge rabbit hole. And then I watched a few documentaries on it. There's a documentary on Netflix called Camp Hell, which is all about the Utah behavioral stuff.
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David Lee Corbo
I didn't. Didn't. Is that the one that the. Catch me outside Girl had something to do with or.
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Ryder Lee
No, because it was back in like 2010, I think.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh no, do I wonder how many of these treatment centers are in Utah?
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Top Lobster
I was gonna say, Ryder, I'm glad that you actually worked in the field because you know, it's come to my attention that you have to actually visit a place to. To be able to even talk about it. So like. That's right. I'm glad that you've, you know, hands on experience. Otherwise how the would we know anything, you know?
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Ryder Lee
Right, exactly. You just can't talk about things in places that you've never been. Dude.
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David Lee Corbo
I'm getting at least six here and I don't know if that's a lot, but we have Sunrise Treatment Center, Youth Care Treatment center, elevations, rtc, New Haven Residential Treatment Center, Embark Behavioral Health, Solstice west and Copper Hills Youth Center. Those are all. It looks like they're all in. In Utah.
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Top Lobster
We're getting a little off. Off subject.
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David Lee Corbo
Sorry. Yeah, I just like, you know how it is. We step in something fascinating and I'm.
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Top Lobster
Fluctuating wildly from whatever you were saying.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Ryder Lee
Okay, so where, where was I at with the. Oh, the Ingo Swan and the Pap Rice document? So Pat Price got this coordinate for the base. Well, it wasn't the base, it was the cabin. And then he removed you the base. And no one knew about this base. It was a top secret base. So then that coordinate was also given the Ingo Swan for him to verify Pat Price's remote viewing of this top secret military base in West Virginia. So how put off. And Russell Targ asked him to view this location again to see if they can get an inside look for documents to try and obtain code word information. Right. With his psychic abilities, with his mind. Okay. So Pat Price went back to the facility, remove you the facility again. And this is the mind blowing thing of this entire thing. This document is literally insane. Which is also talked about on Psychic Spies the the documentary by Russell Targ on remote viewing. But it's just so fascinating. So Pat Price remote viewed the location again. He literally got inside of the facility with his mind and was looking around and he saw a desk that had top secret information papers on the desk. And he could read the words that was on the paper. It was words like fly, trap, mine, run. There was a file cabinet on the wall that was labeled Operation Pool folders. On the inside of the cabinet labeled cue ball 14 ball 8. It was rack up. Like it was all code words that was based on the game pool. Okay. And he said that the psych, the, the site resembled a name vaguely like Hayfork or Haystack, which is the code name for the facility. He even got the names of the generals at the facility. Colonel R.J. hamlin, Major George R. Nash. Like, all these people. And this got the attention of the DIA in Army intelligence, right? Like this dude is using psychic abilities to get all this top secret information that nobody is supposed to know about, right? And this got all of the intelligence people, all the military community all really interested in this phenomenon. I'm sure it scared the. Out of them, right. I personally believe. Because if someone can get access to top secret military information, like classified information with their minds, okay, then could our enemies do that exact same thing?
- [64:14]
David Lee Corbo
Jig is up.
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Ryder Lee
Right?
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David Lee Corbo
Well, that's what's kind of fascinating to me is that we built all this apparatus of secrecy and government buildings and facilities and you know, the Pentagon houses so many national security secrets and things like that. But this psychic phenomenon, I still do think is one that is natural to a degree and then can be trained even further. And I don't know, it's like, how long have we existed on this planet? It almost feels like this should have been something that we knew we were capable of. And if we've always known that, like let's say as a race, we just always knew, like, yeah, are gonna pop in and, you know, kind of flip through your secret cabinet with their brain, then we would have gone about a totally different way of maintaining secrets, a totally different way of housing information. You know, we probably wouldn't have drawers and file cabinets or at least we'd. They wouldn't have glass on them. You know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's, it's fascinating that this thing seems to have so much veracity. It seems very real to me.
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Ryder Lee
And, and I think that they've done that. I think that they have. Well, I mean, it's been reported. It's not in any official documentation, but it's been reported that there are buildings that the government has. That they've blocked from. Yes.
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David Lee Corbo
All over everything. Yeah, I be laying blankets and over all my desks. I wonder if that's what they've done because like I said, well, they've made.
- [65:38]
Ryder Lee
Some sort of special wall, apparently.
- [65:41]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, that's interesting. And they can't see through like a Faraday cage. So that's interesting.
- [65:46]
Ryder Lee
Some sort of something. Again, it's, that's just, it's been reported that that's what's going on.
- [65:53]
David Lee Corbo
I wonder if Like Faraday would work. Because I often think about when people are remote viewing, if you could perceive them, what would you perceive them as? Some people are like. You might see them as orbs, like ghost hunters and shit like that. But it seems to me like we would. We would exist as frequency. Like the best way you could detect if somebody was viewing you, you would have a better shot of detecting a frequency that was.
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Top Lobster
Do you remember the material that Fringe said she put. She put a helmet over her head when she was going to sleep because these abductions were happening so frequently to her. And not just abductions, but like weird visitations. And she got a sense that they were physical, like a lot more physical.
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David Lee Corbo
Than she said it was.
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Top Lobster
But she put some sort of helmet on. Like, it's like magneto helmet, and it's made of this. Like, I. I kind of want to say that it's like that. That it's not, though. Ian Carlson's always talking about.
- [66:44]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, like, damn, what the hell is he always talking about?
- [66:48]
Ryder Lee
Yeah, like a tinfoil, huh?
- [66:50]
David Lee Corbo
Well, I mean, effectively, yeah. But Ian Crossland is constantly obsessed with this.
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Top Lobster
This type of material is like. It's like a rubber, but it does specialize in kind of like weird electromagnetic signals. She had it on. She actually realized that she woke up with it tampered because it was put back on her head. Slightly different. Yeah, like backwards. So I, I just. I wonder if they're using that. A similar technology or where she would even get the inclination to use that. That kind of thing to stop.
- [67:20]
David Lee Corbo
I don't know. But it would be fascinating to find out that the way that they're blocking remote viewers from seeing their room is by covering it in like, Faraday material or some like that. That would be like, really big confirmation. Just once again, in the. In the frequency energetic division of this conversation.
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Ryder Lee
Well, when you look at the X Men, you just brought up Magneto. I mean, that was his whole thing, right? He would put the helmet on to keep Professor Xavier from getting into inside of his head and influencing him to do stuff.
- [67:47]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep.
- [67:49]
Ryder Lee
Which is the known remote viewing technique.
- [67:52]
David Lee Corbo
Like. Yeah.
- [67:54]
Ryder Lee
Get into people's heads and influence them to do things that they would otherwise never do. That's what.
- [68:01]
David Lee Corbo
Which is crazy.
- [68:02]
Ryder Lee
Russia was doing. Russia had the very first program. Now, this isn't in official documents either. This is something completely different. Now, Limb Buchanan, which is verified and was in the Stargate program, he was one of the top remote viewers in the Stargate program. He's the one that the, The Entire movie, the Men who Stare at Goats is based off of.
- [68:24]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah.
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Ryder Lee
Buchanan. Okay. He was. The Last time that he was on my show, we were talking about remote influencing and, you know, this perfect site integration where the biolocation aspect where you can remove you and influence their environment, which sounds like what these kids are doing in telepathy tapes. They're doing a form of bilocation. Right. Which is called perfect side integration, which is a. Like a really advanced form of remote viewing created by Ingo Swan. So Lynn was telling me that the Russians were the first to create a remote influencing program. So they would essentially get into targets. Heads.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Ryder Lee
Plant thoughts, plant ideas to try and influence them to do something that they normally wouldn't do, which is what we've.
- [69:17]
David Lee Corbo
Been saying these entities are doing for the longest time. Right.
- [69:20]
Ryder Lee
And.
- [69:20]
David Lee Corbo
And we're not just saying that. We always go back to the. The muse kind of a narrative where it's like great works that came out of Greece were often attributed to the muses and, you know, great works of art or things like that. And people still maintain that the inspiration for their, you know, their works. Oh, it came to me in a dream. It came to me in a fugue state. It came to me in a state when I was, you know, under the influence of. Of this drug or that drug. So it seems like we're just taking a play out of the book of. Of these spiritual entities who.
- [69:51]
Top Lobster
Who.
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David Lee Corbo
Who nudge us this way and that way, you know, because we talk about it on the show. It's like so many of your ideas aren't your own. They seem to be intrusive. They pop up in your head, especially the ones that you would call inspired. So something else outside of you is potentially funneling these. These thoughts and ideas into your head. And. And it feels like some part of our government was like, oh, we could do that too, baby.
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Top Lobster
Oh, the. The material is called Velostat. Yeah. Or link. Link, stat. L, I, N, Q, S, T A T. It's a conductive plastic material.
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David Lee Corbo
Interesting.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. So I. I wonder the reason I was thinking of. Of what they said here. Graphene oxide is. It's infused with carbon black, and I guess it gives it this kind of like black sheen look to it. But she was using it as like a weird helmet, and that's probably what.
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David Lee Corbo
Gives it its conductivity because plastic not. Is really kind of an insulator.
- [70:45]
Top Lobster
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
Not a conductor. So it's interesting. A hybrid there. I wanted to ask you, Ryder, before you go any further, you've communicated With a lot of these people, and you've looked into their stories, these remote viewers in particular, we find that pretty often if you find somebody who is involved in this situation and they are communing with different, you know, let's just call them frequencies for, for, for now, for this conversation. Every once in a while you'll find. And in their old age, they lost their mind and became schizophrenic. How, how are these people faring? The, the remote viewers that you've looked into, are they just, like, crushing now and they're, they're having a good life, they're retired and everything's. Are some of them. Have they lost their minds?
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Ryder Lee
That's a really good question. All of them are doing great. Yeah. Several of them also teach remote viewing courses. They train people on how to remove you. And a few of them not going to say who, but I know personally the government comes to.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [71:57]
Ryder Lee
To remove you stuff for them on the side, like a concern. So they're essentially. Exactly. Yeah.
- [72:03]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Huh. It's fascinating. That is fascinating. The reason that I ask is because I am wondering of the, the, the morality of this. It seems to be a natural phenomenon. It seems to be something that you can train. It seems to be dangerous, but no more dangerous or, or less dangerous than just going into any uncharted territory that you're not familiar with. You know, what, what, what exists here, what doesn't. And to me, it would be a tremendous red flag if all of them were, you know, drooling and, and full of dementia and, you know, plagued by disembodied voices. I would go, okay, well, that's a good indicator not to do this, but doesn't seem to be the case.
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Ryder Lee
No, it's not the case. They're all highly successful. One of them is still a contractor for the government and runs his own business completely separate from remote viewing. He does things for the army. He has, like, a medical supply for the military, like on his own, like, separate thing. So they're all highly successful. They all, you know, do their own thing. So. But I think that that's like a thing for people that like, just, like, already have, like, problems and, like, issues, and then they think that they're remote viewing, and then they're not really remote viewing. So then they kind of lose their mind within that a little bit.
- [73:35]
David Lee Corbo
I think also, if you, if you start at a bad place and you're susceptible to that sort of thing. So I, I do maintain, I believe that there are entities that inhabit these spiritual realms and the negative ones, they feed off of us like an energetic exchange. They. They seem to eat negative energy. So I suppose it might be reasonable to, to assume if you went into that realm as a beacon of anger, depression, sadness, anxiety, all that, then you might attract something.
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Top Lobster
But these people are not, they're not going into another realm like astral. Astral projection and remote viewing are.
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David Lee Corbo
Those are two different things. Right? Astro projecting is an astral realm. Remote viewing is, is viewing this realm or.
- [74:14]
Top Lobster
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
Apparently Mars, I don't know which, I guess is this realm. But we had just had that, that news article come out from like, the New York Times, where the New York Times is like, oh, you know, they use remote viewers to remote view the surface of Mars. Seems that there was, what, what do they say? Like there was a war there or there, and it was like, what. What am I supposed to do with this? New York Times? How fucking dare you?
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Ryder Lee
Yeah, they said that there was a, there was a nuclear war or whatever that wiped out the civilization on Mars.
- [74:40]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, I don't know why that makes me. I want to go you New York Times, because in the mundanity of everything, they're like, you know, Donald Trump dictator or, or, you know, friend or foe. And, and then as an aside, they're like, by the way, we remote viewed the surface of Mars. Seems there was a nuclear war. Anyway, back to, you know, the, the stock markets, and it's like, what. How dare you?
- [75:04]
Ryder Lee
Back to the tariffs, bro. We got to talk about them. Tariffs?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, I just think, because it's like, I'm not the absorber of the New York Times, but you just gave normies the weirdest in the world. Like, that's really, that's really strange article to give to, to normal people and then to just go anyway and then move on from it. Very straight. What do you think that they, they, they remote viewed the surface of Mars?
- [75:27]
Ryder Lee
Well, I'd like to know who remote viewed the surface of Mars. But there were people within the Stargate program, which we haven't even got into all the name changes. We've barely even got into exactly what's going on here. But there was a gentleman, Skip Atwater, that was within the program that would have some of the remote viewers, like, remote viewing, like, random stuff like the moon, Mars. I mean, why not like all this stuff? But a lot of the remote viewers within the program don't put any credence in those remote viewings because they can't be verified. Like, you can't verify what you've seen on Mars, because you can't go to Mars. So they. They kind of just like throw that stuff out. They're like, okay, well, yeah, maybe. Who knows? But is it verifiable? No, it's not.
- [76:36]
David Lee Corbo
Interesting.
- [76:37]
Ryder Lee
All right, so in 1976, the Missile Intelligence Agency, they started expressing interest in the US Is like, replication of, like, what the Soviet Was the Soviet Psychoenergetic Experience experiments. Right. Because this is another way that they use this as an excuse to start up their own program. So they're like, okay, well, if this is real, we know that it's real because we've had these subjects at SRI that has been able to repeat this several times. We believe that the Soviets are also doing this. So we have to start up our own program. And during that same time, the army was involved in the investigation of remote viewing concepts with SRI as well. So the funding is coming from several different locations. It's coming from the CIA is coming from the army, it's coming from the Air Force. Air Force picked up where the CIA left off. The CIA stopped funding in 75, and then the Air Force came in, started funding SRI as well. And then the CIA came back and started funding SRI again. It's. The funding is coming from all over the place. So in 1977, U.S. army intelligence established a project under the Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff for Human Intelligence and implemented a program named Gondola Wish. Gondola Wish, this was the first name of this program. And. But if you got on Wikipedia, well, it's even difficult to find anything online about this stuff because now whenever you type in Stargate Program, you're going to get Trump's AI Stargate Program.
- [78:36]
David Lee Corbo
Right. Which could well also be part of, like, you know, kind of muddying the waters.
- [78:40]
Ryder Lee
Yeah. So the Gondola Wish program was started in 1977, and by 1978, army intelligence concluded that there was sufficient evidence to warrant a. An official program. So this was like a research program to explore the intelligence collection of psychoenergetics. The army then canceled the Gondola Wish program. They placed a complete security envelope over the entire, like, Army's interest in psychoenergetics. And then they implemented a new program directed at intelligence collection on foreign assets using remote viewing. And that project was called Grill Flame, to use these psychoenergetic phenomenon as a data collection for intelligence information. Right. So by 1978, INSCOM, the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command, had the personnel that they wanted in this program, and the training was initiated. And the person that trained those army personnel, that was Ingo Swan from SRI train the army personnel on how to remove you. Now, there's a lot of discrepancy between if SRI ever walked into the doors at Fort Meade or if the army personnel went to SRI to train. Some people say that Russell Targ, Hal put off nobody, none of the remote viewer subjects from SRI ever walked through the doors at Fort Meade. So that would mean that they had to have gone to SRI International and Palo Alto to be trained by Ingo Swan.
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David Lee Corbo
This was 77, you said.
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Ryder Lee
This was 78.
- [80:38]
David Lee Corbo
78.
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Ryder Lee
After they had shut down the Gondola Wish program, they opened up this other one called Girl Flame.
- [80:47]
David Lee Corbo
It seems like a lot of it is. I mean, I don't know if it's intentional or not, but it's. It's just like shutting one door, opening another one, moving from one program to the next. But the through line is the same study. But what it does is it gives us this almost like fog of war situation where it's so confusing. Like if somebody could say, oh, no, well, they stopped that program, you know, back in 77. And you go like, oh, yeah, technically they did stop that program. But if you didn't know that, they just started up another one of a very similar nature, pursuing the same and just called it something different. And they did it the. The next year. It's like, yeah, it never stopped.
- [81:23]
Ryder Lee
Plausible deniability.
- [81:24]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, plausible, exactly.
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Ryder Lee
And the issue that they ran into was would the information obtained from the remote viewing psychics, would it be accurate and would it be reasonable, and would the intelligence community accept the information? So on. On September 4, 1979, Army ACSI tasked INSCOM, Army Intelligence, to locate a missing Navy aircraft. This was the first operational Grille Flame remote viewing session. And the remote viewer located the missing aircraft within 15 miles of where it was downed.
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David Lee Corbo
Where was he?
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Ryder Lee
Based off of those results, INSCOM was then tasked to work on additional targets. And this forced the hand of ACSI to head into full swing operations and skip over a lot of the training phases of the unit from Ingo Swan. So they were essentially just like, okay, well, you made it to phase two or phase three of this program. You're on your own. Now when there's a lot of. There's a lot more levels to this. But this was also. There's contention with this one as well, because some people say that it was Gary Langford at SRI that located the missing downed airplane. And then Del Graph, which had a remote viewing unit at. At. I think it was Fort Detrick for Dietrich, Maryland, that by a lady named Rosemary Smith that supposedly found the, the, the missing aircraft.
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David Lee Corbo
So you have a three way remote viewer, right?
- [83:04]
Ryder Lee
Well, she was a remote viewer. Gary Langford was also a remote viewer. And then they also had this remove viewer viewing operation. I 100% believe that it was Rosemary Smith that found the airplane. But they had to say that it was this grill flame unit that found the airplane to continue to get funded to keep the program afloat.
- [83:26]
David Lee Corbo
Right, right.
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Ryder Lee
Because if they didn't have any actionable data that nobody got anything, right. Then they're gonna have to shut down the entire program because it's, it's useless. So they took the information from Rosemary Smith with Dell Graph small remote viewing Air force unit and then they took credit for it. Army intelligence took credit for finding the down missing airplane. Now this correlates with what Jimmy Carter was saying in, in 95, but she said it earlier than that as well. But the, really, the only one that you can find is from 1995 where he's doing like an interview and he's talking about how they found a, a downed Russian airplane that, that, that a psychic from California found. Hold on, let me see if I can actually find this, Cliff, because I tried to look for it before and I can't find it now, but I made a short of it on my YouTube channel. But I think that it's important to hear him talk about it because it's, it's really fascinating. I tried to, because I was doing another short on it because I just had Dell Graph back on my channel recently and I was trying to look for it again and I could not find it online anywhere. And so then I just had to rip down the other short and then overlay the audio onto a new video.
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David Lee Corbo
Ryder, when you talk to these people, have, have I have to imagine you've asked, have they ever explained in, in any detail what the process is like, what it, what it looks like, what it feels like to, to remote view a thing?
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Ryder Lee
Yeah, they all say that they're. They. They get the information. Like the information just comes to them. Like it comes to them in their mind and then they like write it down. Like, I don't think it's like a, it's. It's even like a, a visual thing. It's like based off of feeling.
- [85:44]
David Lee Corbo
Interesting. Yeah, I, I say that a lot. Whenever it comes into like things that are unexplainable, you might call them like supernatural or spiritual. That your impression, it counts for a lot in these, in these encounters and these experiences. So that's fascinating to hear that. It almost sounds like that's primarily what they're using, is impressions.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah, I got the.
- [86:06]
David Lee Corbo
You want to bring this up? Let's do that.
- [86:09]
Ryder Lee
Okay. So this is Jimmy Carter talking about the psychics being used to find the missing downed airplane.
- [86:17]
Top Lobster
The only strange and inexplicable event that has been discussed publicly is that one time we had a small plane go.
- [86:26]
Ryder Lee
Down somewhere in Africa.
- [86:28]
Top Lobster
We needed very much to find out where that plane had crashed, and we.
- [86:33]
Ryder Lee
Were not able to find it by.
- [86:35]
Top Lobster
Surveillance from our satellites. So the director of the CIA, he was also director of all the intelligence agencies, heard about a woman in California that was a medium, and he contacted her, and she gave him the latitude.
- [86:56]
Ryder Lee
And longitude of the plane's whereabouts.
- [86:59]
Top Lobster
And the next time one of our space satellites went over that area, we located the plane where she said it was.
- [87:06]
David Lee Corbo
Wow.
- [87:08]
Ryder Lee
And that wasn't. But he got a lot of things wrong within that. It wasn't in Africa. It was Russian. It wasn't a lady from California. It was a remote viewer named Rosemary Smith.
- [87:18]
David Lee Corbo
Jimmy Carter, just like me.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah. Yeah. He did a lot of misdirection with that as to not reveal, because this was in 95. So it was, like, right around the time that the documents were actually starting to be. Well, they hadn't been released yet. I don't think that they were released until 2003. But 95 is when the program completely ended. So it was still a top secret, classified program that very few people knew about. I mean, even the people on the base of Fort Meade didn't really even know exactly what was going on. Right.
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Top Lobster
So did you know that Jimmy Carter was a peanut farmer? Jimmy Carter back throwback.
- [88:02]
David Lee Corbo
Shout out, Jimmy Carter. Shout out, peanut.
- [88:05]
Ryder Lee
No, I didn't know that. Peanut. Peanut farmer, baby.
- [88:09]
David Lee Corbo
You didn't know that?
- [88:09]
Ryder Lee
Come on.
- [88:10]
David Lee Corbo
Jimmy Carter was peanut butter.
- [88:14]
Ryder Lee
Episode.
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Top Lobster
We did an episode with Elijah Schaefer and in his studio, and I guess it was like Jimmy Carter day or something. I was just hitting him every, like, three minutes with Jimmy Carter facts. And he's like, got a lot of Jimmy Carter facts.
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David Lee Corbo
Didn't Jimmy Carter have a UFO story as well?
- [88:28]
Ryder Lee
He did.
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David Lee Corbo
I'm pretty sure he does, yeah. Weird encounter. Very strange. Very strange, this. But outside, I mean, you hear that when it comes, like the FBI or unsolved murder cases, things like that, sometimes in desperation, they will, you know, refer to a clairvoyant, a psychic. And I don't know if it's sensationalized how much the success ratio of that actually is. There are, I imagine, some psychics that are used more than others, you know, if they. If they display some sort of competency or. Or success ratio. But I, I don't know. It always is a little frustrating to me when you see how dismissed this phenomenon is of, like, clairvoyance or remote viewing or any of these things. And then you find out that at the highest levels, they will often end up using these people. And. And while we grovel down here in the trash and we go, it's not real. That shit's not real. That's a con man. This and that. And I'm like, maybe. I'm sure there's a lot of con people, but then there are stories like that that you just go, well, what do you do with that dummy? I don't know what to do with that. Feels pretty.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah. I've gotten into several arguments with the people that have no idea what they're talking about because they haven't read all this stuff and they haven't talked with the actual, you know, people that were involved in these programs. And whenever you talk with them and you've done all this research and you've read the documents, you have no other conclusion to come to then, right? That this is real.
- [89:51]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it's like if I. If.
- [89:52]
Ryder Lee
Unless they're lying. Be done.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, unless they're lying. That the information that I'm looking at here, if this is real, then it seems to be that this phenomenon is real. Writer have you tried it? Have you tried it? Tell me the truth.
- [90:04]
Ryder Lee
WRITER no, I have not tried it.
- [90:06]
David Lee Corbo
Why haven't you tried it?
- [90:06]
Ryder Lee
Because it's a. Like I said, it's like, it's a very sophisticated thing and, like, you can't just give yourself your own target. So what would I even really be doing?
- [90:16]
David Lee Corbo
I'll give you a target.
- [90:17]
Ryder Lee
If I. If I were.
- [90:19]
David Lee Corbo
I don't know what I'll have for you, but I'll find a target for you. Dude, one of us has to. Somebody has to try it. All right? That's what I'm saying. Look, if. If you're. I. I wouldn't recommend it to any of the fans because I just don't know what you're doing. But if you're gonna do it anyway, reach out to me. I'll give you a target. I don't know how to do that, but we'll figure it out and we'll have to remote view something, actually. If you sign up for the 33 tier on Patreon, you get telepathy so that comes with it. And apparently, you know, just do it that way and it'll, it'll be fine. I, I find that fascinating though, because I'm the same way you're doing it because you're like, I have to do it legitimately. And, and I don't know if I can find a legitimate source of it. I, I'm not doing it because I'm like, I don't know the implications of it. And I would hate to just. As somebody who's been inundated for a lot of my life with weird things. Just weird, weird things. Entities and sleep paralysis and stupid. I, I don't really want to open up that door because I don't know where these things that I see every once in a while live. They might live there. And if I do that, then am I going to see them more? Because I don't like them. They're pretty exhausting. I hope they stay away. So we just need somebody, I think Top would probably be a good candidate to start practicing remote viewing. And then we can give them targets and then Top could go and he can go and see things. You know, he can go back to the city or he can go to Utah maybe see what's going on in Utah. Maybe that's what we have to do. We're never going to figure it out. We're never going to raise the funds to have a. An NDS trip to Utah to go and bust one of these facilities. We just have to. We have to learn how to remote view. We got to go to Utah. We got to see what's going on. Is that, Are we, Are you okay with that topic?
- [91:55]
Ryder Lee
Sounds like a plan. Let's do that. I'm behind that.
- [91:57]
David Lee Corbo
Let's go.
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Top Lobster
I'm pretty sure that's why they have like those cryptids around these government facilities these dudes are guarding telepathically. Psychic. I'm not trying to run into like a dog man or some like, I don't know. Well, that's the thing with the dolphin head.
- [92:10]
David Lee Corbo
Have you ever heard that writer, that some people will go into this, like remote viewing or astral projection, and there will. There seems to be operatives in that realm that are like, no, no, no, don't come here. Have you ever heard those stories?
- [92:21]
Ryder Lee
I've heard that. I don't know how much truth there is to that because that could be just people making stuff up so that they don't have to. Because they really didn't do anything. Yeah, they don't have the information. So they can't give out the information. So then they make the excuse that there were these psychic agents there that was blocking them from the information.
- [92:44]
David Lee Corbo
Yes, but, but it's not out of.
- [92:46]
Ryder Lee
The realm of the possibility. I mean, if they got freaking rooms and entire buildings that are essentially remote viewing proof, like, why wouldn't you have some kind of other kind of psychic defense from it? But I don't know how much, like, are we really that worried about remote viewers, like, doing like we should be.
- [93:11]
David Lee Corbo
Like, it seems like if this is real, we should be really, really, really afraid. You know what it is too? It's like it's the government. So if there is, well, government jobs usually pay pretty well. But if there is a department of, you know, astral security, they probably get paid like 13 an hour. And they're not just like, this is not worth it. I gotta work to try to make ends meet. And that's actually a really good game.
- [93:39]
Ryder Lee
They can't even prove that you're doing anything. You could just like not even be doing anything.
- [93:43]
David Lee Corbo
I don't know where these checks keep coming from. All I know is you go in the bedroom and you lock yourself in the bedroom for, for a 12 hour shift and then all of a sudden a check shows up. I don't believe you. I don't believe you at all. It's gonna be a really hard gig to maintain. But I, I think that if, if, if there's this much evidence, I don't even call it anecdotal evidence because it's not anecdotal. I mean, we're talking about government documents and I don't know how much more official someone needs the evidence to be in order to entertain this line of thought. But I imagine that foreign governments very much the same way that like we were in a race with Russia and China to get to the moon. And then people speculate that that's why we have faked footage. It was like as a contingency, if we didn't make it to the moon before Russia did, we could at least premiere this faked footage and be like, yeah, we did you and you know, do what you want with that information. I don't know how I feel about that, but I, I can get behind the sentiment at least that there would be a big a, a big competition between us and other major world players. So if China and Russia caught wind that we were employing to whatever degree of success, remote viewers, I would, I'd be damn sure they would, they would do all the same. So if we have it now like China's got it, Russia's got it. You know, you name them, they've got remote viewers. Why wouldn't you? I, I just can't say. I can't see looking at this and then not doing that.
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Ryder Lee
Yeah, and the United States has always been at odds with Russia, like since after World War II. Like Russia has always kind of been that silent enemy of the United States. But Russia. Actually, I don't want to get too far off topic, but Russia actually got more Nazis after World War II than the United States got.
- [95:30]
David Lee Corbo
Damn it.
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Top Lobster
Interesting. That's interesting.
- [95:35]
Ryder Lee
There was a Russian equivalent of Project Paperclip that the United States got and Russia got like double the amount.
- [95:43]
David Lee Corbo
This seems like it all comes from the Nazis too, because I was listening to something and they were talking about the psychic connection between twins. I forgot why that came up. I think I was listening to an episode of Tinfoil Hat yesterday and that came up. Might have been that or, or, or the confessionals, but either way, this notion of the psychic connection between twins came up and it reminded me of, of Mengele's obsession with twins, you know, during the, the height of the Nazi regime. And I know that a lot of our data that created the MK Ultra program came out of Nazi Germany and I, I just. It all feels like it's, it all comes from them. Like whatever, whatever Hitler was doing. Seemed like you really discovered some, like, some real serious in the way of like psychic phenomenon and, and that birthed. It was like planting a seed in our own culture and it blew up into something massive that we're now seeing today at this huge scale.
- [96:44]
Ryder Lee
Yeah, this is the Russian version of Project Paperclip, the secret Soviet operation in which more than 2500 German specialty scientists, engineers and technician who worked in several areas from companies and institution reveled to military and economic policy in the Soviet occupation zone of Germany and Berlin, as well as around 4,000 more family members totaling in 6,000 people were taken from former Nazi Germany as war reparations to the Soviet Union.
- [97:22]
David Lee Corbo
Wow, that's a lot of folks. Damn. I wonder how much we got.
- [97:30]
Ryder Lee
I wouldn't have the numbers. Well, the official numbers, which we don't really know. People. People claim that we got upwards of like 20,000, but official numbers is like much lower. I think that it was like 1500. Was the project paperclip. Yeah, it was 1600. Sorry, I was off by a hundred. So it was 1600 German scientists, engineers and technicians.
- [98:01]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, that's way less.
- [98:02]
Ryder Lee
So we Russia officially now. This is official now this is just like we don't know all the other stuff, but officially Russia got, well, officially double the amount of, yeah, engineers, scientists and technicians.
- [98:21]
David Lee Corbo
I would say that they may have gotten volume, but we got quality. Because our Nazi scientists that we stole were the best Nazi scientists because we have a better propaganda machine. We have a better base program. We had the best Nazis RMK Ultra program, much more effective than the Russians. I would say that we are, we are as a, as a people better propagandized than the Russian people. So in your face, Russia. It's called quantity over quality. Or rather the other way around, quality over quantity.
- [98:49]
Ryder Lee
Okay, so I want to rush through this, this last part because I, I.
- [98:54]
David Lee Corbo
Promise I'm going to try not to derail you.
- [98:56]
Ryder Lee
I got a show in 15 minutes on my channel, so run through this bad boy real quick. So in 1980, the Perry Memorandum came about which cut the funding for psychoenergetics activities that didn't include intelligence applications efforts. So in 1981, a few months later, ACSI transferred Project Grill Flame to inscom, which is the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command. They combined their efforts and this is another name switch, name change. They. And this wasn't the only time the unit had been transferred or combined. So the DIA and Army Intelligence signed a joint grill flame to implement a three year long program. So the DIA's role in the joint operation was threat analysis countermeasures using established psychics through contracts with SRI. Because they've been working with SRI since, you know, 73. Right. So Army's role, the Army's INSCOM role was to apply the remote viewing program, use assigned personnel and to enhance capability. Now remember in the beginning of this, whenever I said that everyone had their hands in the pot of this. Well, this merging of the DIA and Army Intelligence into one program also created this merging of two other groups. It formalized the cooperations among the Secretary of the army, the Army General Counsel and the Assistant Surgeon General for Medical R D and the Vice Chief of Staff of the army, nsa, CIA and the Navy. But they were giving tasking to Army Intelligence, right? So until 1982, the budget was cut the to the program, they cut the funding to Grill Flame because they thought that the project had been double funded, it had been double budgeted because they were doing this, this co operation between DIA and Army Intelligence. And they thought that the funding was coming from both of them. Right. One was coming from Army Intelligence, another was coming from DIA when they were just both working together on it. But they let the DIA complete their third year. So at the end of 1982, INSCOM Army Intelligence terminated their former involvement with Grill Flame and the dia. So the army splits from the DIA and the army opens up another program. See, this gets so crazy and so convoluted. It's going to be really great in documentary style format because you'll be able to see the documents and get all the information and understand it right. But Army Intelligence opened up another special access program called center lane. So in 1983, Dr. Richard, what is his. Dr. Richard Rellinger or Rellinger or something like that, he signed a memorandum allowing the resources to be used to maintain the support of Army Center Lane program. So he revised the Perry memorandum to cut the funding in 1980 with the funding by the Security and Investigative activities. So in 1983 the army remote Viewing Special Access Program, Center Lane was decided again that it should be combined with DIA. So in 1984 it was decided that the Center Lane Special Access Program ran by the army should be combined with DIA's grow flame unit again. So by 1985 the transfer from the Army Center Lane Project, the Special Access Center Lane program was then combined with DIA's Grow Flame program and it became known as a DoD special access program. And the funding was restored because it was a pure intelligence and data collection program. And then we got another name change. So that name was called Sunstreak. That's where this document is talking about that's out there now on the CIA's website, Operation Sunstreak. And if you read through that document, you'll see that everything that I'm seeing up until this point is 100 real and legitimate. So Sunstreak was to undertake operational intelligence application using a aspect of psychoenergetics known as remote viewing. Now it also states in this document not only the Soviet threat, like I stated earlier, but that, that we need to collect intelligence data on foreign targets. So the program ran under Sunstreak until 91 and then it was changed to Stargate by Dell Graph, which I've had on my show several name several times he changed the name out of his own words because it felt like he, that Stargate described what they were doing better with like the human potential aspect of what they were doing. So in 95 the program was then to be transferred to the CIA from the DOD and dia. CIA got their hands on it. They said that no intelligence data had ever been collected from the program and they shut it down, which obviously isn't the case. If you, if you read through these Documents, you would know that that is 100% not factual. That they did get highly good intelligence data out of the program and they turned out to be very accurate, but they shut it down anyway. So, so what was the reason?
- [104:37]
David Lee Corbo
Just that they, they thought that it was fruitless. That's why they allegedly shut it down.
- [104:41]
Ryder Lee
Yeah, that. Well, I, I have a different theory on the reason why they shut it down. I think that they shut it down because, again, we're out of the realm of documents now. The documents are over. This is my personal opinion and my personal thoughts. I think that they, the CIA terminated the Stargate program because they already had. They either already had a program that they were working with or somebody else had a program or they were going to start up a new program. They were going to do something different. They found a different application for the remote viewing. It's not just collecting intelligence data anymore, something way more nefarious. And they can't take the people that was a part of the Stargate program into a new program.
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Top Lobster
What do you think about the new Stargate program? Is there any overlap or. Why even name it the same thing? Most of these names don't really correlate to the projects that they're actually doing. But I just found the other one.
- [105:42]
David Lee Corbo
Grill something.
- [105:45]
Ryder Lee
Pearl flame, real flame.
- [105:46]
David Lee Corbo
Like, how does that even apply? Yeah, it seems like they just pick random names sometimes, but I don't know, what about this one, this new project, Stargate?
- [105:55]
Ryder Lee
I don't know. The, the. It's interesting with the name. I mean, I think that it's some kind of obfuscation, like they're trying to obfuscate, like for people trying to like, look into the Stargate remote viewing program. So they just named it Stargate. I mean, Stargate. It became like straight super popular. You know, you have the Stargate TV show, you have Stargate SG1, like, things like that. And it's impossible for. Del Graph was just talking about this the last time that I had him on. He was like, it was impossible for these people to know about this program when all these TV shows and all these, all the stuff was, you know, coming out.
- [106:39]
David Lee Corbo
So it's like the same thing. If you want to try to find if Walt Disney is cryogenically frozen, all you're going to get is Disney's frozen. You know what I mean? Like, whether or not that's true, I don't know. But I look at projects.
- [106:50]
Ryder Lee
Try and look up Looking Glass technology too. You're going to get Alice in Wonderland through the looking glass.
- [106:55]
Top Lobster
Yeah.
- [106:56]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it seems like there might be a connection, just because through all of this research that is really parallel to yours, Ryder, we found that there is an implant aspect to it, whether it's a dental implant or maybe, you know, metal that settles in the brain through inoculations, but it seems to help the victim in. In this case, tune into these frequencies. And if you look into Project Stargate, it's this unholy union of MRNA technology and. And. Or AI and who's leading the whole AI charge. But Elon, who wants to put something in your head, it's an implant, Right.
- [107:33]
Ryder Lee
And so you guys should watch the. The new episode. The first episode of the new season of Black Mirror.
- [107:41]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, I heard that that came out. That's an interesting thing to say. Why? Why?
- [107:45]
Ryder Lee
Have you guys seen. Have you guys seen Severance?
- [107:48]
David Lee Corbo
No, I heard it was good, but I haven't seen it.
- [107:50]
Ryder Lee
Wild. Wild. But the first episode of the new season of Black Mirror is essentially, it has to do with, like, bees. And like, this woman is a teacher. She's like teaching grade schooler. She's talking about bees and how all the bees were replaced with, like, artificial robot bees. And then she would get these headaches and stuff, and then she got like a tumor or whatever, and then she went into a coma. And this. This doctor shows up at the hospital and is telling her husband that there's this new. There's this new program out there to where we can put a chip inside of her brain and it'll give her the ability to, like, be. But she's going to be connected to the servers, right? And the servers are only in this specific area. So she goes out of bounds of this specific area. Then she's going to slip back into the coma. Whoa. So it's essentially like an Internet thing. And she's like, oh, well, it's only $300 a month. Month, right? So he signs her up for she's okay, and she's super tired and super sleepy, right? But then, man, I don't want to ruin it all, but she essentially starts speaking ads. Like, she just starts, oh, damn, throwing out ads. She's like, oh, yeah, get your lube from the. The lube center that is 100 times better than any other lube. Like, like all this crazy. And then they go to the lady and was like, what is going on? Like, she's just spitting out ads, like, every like 20, 30 minutes. And then she. Then the lady's like, oh, well, you're on the base tier.
- [109:31]
Top Lobster
Yeah, it's amazing.
- [109:33]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, dude, what if there's a free version of Neuro Link and it's like, yeah, it's free. You can get it for free. But that's what's gonna happen to you.
- [109:39]
Top Lobster
You're gonna be running ads for that Israeli.
- [109:42]
David Lee Corbo
Have you tried Manscape running ads for the.
- [109:45]
Top Lobster
For the deal?
- [109:46]
Ryder Lee
My Patriot Supply company.
- [109:48]
David Lee Corbo
My Patriot Supply. Holy. Well, look, look, I know you gotta fly, Ryder. It's refreshing to have somebody who actually has their handle on the information, who's spoken to these people, who has access to the documents, confirm a lot of, you know, what we've suspected but refused to do any meaningful research on. So it's nice to. It's nice to have you on our show and to. To share this, but I know you gotta fly. So let's bring this in for a landing rider. Where can everybody find your work, including your documentary?
- [110:20]
Ryder Lee
Thanks for having me on, gentlemen. Really appreciate it. It was a wonderful conversation. Always love talking about this subject. It's very near and dear to my heart. And because I've looked into it, I've talked to the people like you were mentioning. I've read the documents. So it's. And I think it's really important to get the details of it in the, the history of the program and how it worked and all the name changes and all the different things and changes.
- [110:44]
David Lee Corbo
Were huge because that. You run into that often, oh, MK Ultra stopped, You know, whatever year it supposedly stops. Looking at, none of it stops. It just changes. They get rid of the old crew, they bring in a new crew. It's compartmentalized. It's a shell. Yeah, it's. All of it is just obfuscation. That's. That's really what's happening here at the end of the day. And so that was a hugely important, I think.
- [111:05]
Ryder Lee
Thank you guys very much. You can find me on Raised by Giants on YouTube. I'm getting ready to go live here in like five minutes on my channel and any and all podcast platforms. And yeah, we're going to be talking about Trump's tariffs today because freaking everyone's talking about Trump's tariffs. So I'm doing a little roundtable and Trump's tariffs, baby. We're going to talk about it. But thanks for having me on, guys. People would like to reach ultimately, personally. You can find me on Twitter at Raised by Giants eat and Instagram at Raised by Giants podcast.
- [111:37]
Top Lobster
Hell yeah, man. All right, thank you again for coming on and good luck with your next show. I hope you break some new ground with the Trump terrorists. All right, guys, we'll see you next time. And in the meantime, pray for Xerox. He's having a hard time out there. I don't know.
- [111:52]
David Lee Corbo
Xerox.
- [111:53]
Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah, all of the Xeroxes. But, yeah, obey some and comply. We'll see you guys later. Goodbye.
- [112:01]
Ryder Lee
Is a oblong box in the corner. Corner of the room.
- [112:04]
David Lee Corbo
It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.
- [112:08]
Ryder Lee
You can persuade that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see.
- [112:15]
David Lee Corbo
Because they'll act in the face of.
- [112:18]
Ryder Lee
An explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what's happening. And they have.