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158: Pharmaceutical Sorcery & The Death of Trust w/ Ricky Varandas of The Ripple Effect Podcast
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Ricky Varandas of The Ripple Effect Podcast joins the NDS crew for a mind-expanding conversation that goes everywhere the mainstream won't: government experiments, spiritual warfare, big pharma psy-ops, vaccine propaganda, mental health manipulation,...
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Top Lobster
Top Lobster Productions.
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Ricky Verandis
We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.
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Top Lobster
Oh yeah, dude, but there's some Nephilim.
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Sam Tripoli
It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the Braves.
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Ricky Verandis
And everybody's just walking around heading the clouds. But then it's too late.
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Sam Tripoli
We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of days. Everybody is slaves. Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in the air. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, I would just like to remind all of our live viewers that this is a 30 minute preview only. Sometime around the 30 minute mark, we'll be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad where you can continue enjoying an ad free experience. Enjoying the flow of the conversation as well as engaging in the live chat. And you could do that all for free. That's right, guys. Sign up for a seven day free trial, absorb as much content as you possibly can and then get out before the.
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Top Lobster
Billy, you know, there's actually. Actually, I think we should stop saying that.
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Sam Tripoli
Are they doing that? Are they doing what I'm saying?
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Top Lobster
Well, they are. So somebody sent us a message and I don't even know what to do to this guy. I guess we'll just send him his money back.
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Sam Tripoli
But he said, he said, hey, I absorbed all your content. He's like, dog got out of there.
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Top Lobster
He said, I really don't. What did he say? He said, yeah, yeah. Here is what he said. You took $5 from my account membership, but I didn't want to be a member. I really needed that money for food. So if you could please refund me, that would be awesome. Swear to God.
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Sam Tripoli
Oh, my God. Let's send him double. Let's send him $10.
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Top Lobster
What are you gonna get from $5 with food? Listen, let's introduce the guest. This is wild.
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Ricky Verandis
Okay.
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Sam Tripoli
All right. Anyway, yeah. Patreon.com backslash squad, all that good stuff. Joining us today is Ricky Verandis. Ricky, for the audience who may not be familiar with you, let them know where they can find your work. Which is a lot of places actually. And what it is you focus on, which is a lot of things actually.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Ricky Verandis
So thanks for having me, guys. This is going to be a blast. I'm really excited about our conversation. But yeah, you can get all my content at the Ripple. The ripple effect podcast.com or ricky verandis.com I've been doing the ripple effect podcast since 2013. Was kind of a musician who. And just, you know, content consumer, real. Just a huge fan of like documentaries. Anything that went against the grain, actually anything artistic that went against grain. If it was music, art, documentaries, podcasts, eventually and, and really just end up doing the whole nine to five thing. After I stopped doing music, I was kind of bored with life. Kind of felt like a little unfulfilled. Kind of felt like I needed some type of purpose. I wasn't contributing anything to the universe. So after a while I'm like, hey, well, you know, the band broke up. I'm not really, I'm doing well, I was doing music, but I was doing a solo project called Theory 6, which is why people will see that, you know, that term pop up from time to time with my work. But Theory 6 was my music project. I was doing it completely solo. But it was time consuming. It was a lot of work. It was time consuming. And by the time you actually wrote a song and then you recorded all the instruments and then just did all the work release it, it was just so time consuming. And then I really got into podcasts and I was doing a lot of driving and commuting for work and I got obsessed with podcasts. I'm like, oh great, this is food for thought. This two hour drive can be a complete waste of my time. Or, or I can actually make it fly by. And when I get to my destination, I'm like, I don't even want to get out of the car because I'm so deep into this conversation. I'm enjoying it. So, so. And then I'm like, hey, you know, I have a bit of a studio. Why not use that music equipment and software and repurpose it for podcasting? And then kind of started in 2013. You know, Rogan obviously was a huge inspiration. I love the long form discussions. I also like the open source idea of James Corbett. He was one of my first guests. And so I kind of continued doing that. So then. And I, I very similar to Joe Rogan. I had a lot of different interests. So I would have people, mma, people like, you know, Eddie Bravo was an early guest. I had Pat Milotich, Justin Ren. And then I would also have musicians. Burton C. Bell from Fear Factory, by the way, great theme song. Vinnie Paz, another great artist. And. And, you know, so I had musicians on fire from the Gods, Enter Shikari from the uk. Tons of great musicians. Then I would have historians. I was always in the diet, nutrition, and health because I thought that was some of the best conspiracies. I think the cholesterol conspiracy, the, the, you know, the, you know, everything about how we should eat and live has been pretty much a lie. And, and then really just went down those rabbit holes. And then eventually, during COVID just a lot of years of, like, networking, making friends, we. We started a show called the Union of the Unwanted, which I co host with Sam, Tripoli, Midnight Mike and Charlie Robinson. And. And basically, you know, that was. That came together because what, what we're doing. During the COVID era, when things were kind of shutting down and whatnot, a lot of us were dealing with censorship. I eventually got kicked off YouTube and also censored on every algorithm related to YouTube and Google. But we were talking about, hey, we're dealing with this. This information needs to go out. How do we go about putting it out there? So we gathered a bunch of content creators, and I just used my networking ability and all the friends I've made throughout the years, and we just did a huge show. We had Luke from We Are Change on there, Ben Swan, you know, obviously Sam and my other co hosts and all these people. And, and then Mike came up with this term. He's like, yeah, we're kind of like a union of the unwanted. And we're like, hey, you should hold on to that. And he bought the URL, right? Like during the podcast, we, we kept that, and then we really enjoyed it. And then eventually we're like, hey, let's make it its own show. So then in 2020, I believe in, or 2021, some around there, we. We started the Union of Unwanted, which is a. A show we do every other week. And it's just a roundtable discussion show. We bring in different content creators, thinkers, researchers, and just kind of brainstorm and try to do our best to bring different opinions and perspectives and have civil discussions about, you know, about what's going on in the world, sharing research, right? Because it's like we're all content creators, but a lot of us are also. We should be content consumers. So it's like, I might be listening to a really good researcher. Somebody else might be, you know, digging deep into a different story. And a different researcher's work. And then when we gather, we can kind of share that stuff. So it's. So it's been fun. Those have been kind of my. My main two projects. Music has kind of taken a back seat a little bit. And the, the name of the podcast, Ripple Effect Podcast, was actually named after one of my songs, which is the theme song end up being the theme song of, of the show. But yeah, but in regards to the guests, you know, John Stockton's been on, but then I've always really been. We talked about a little bit before we went live, but I've always really been into diet and nutrition. So I've had Dr. Dominic D'Agostino on a bunch. I actually had him on before he was on Rogan's, you know, Rob Wolf, the guy who created Element and also did the Sacred Cow book and documentary, you know, Dr. Sean Baker. But even early, I had like, Dr. Brzezinski on, which is one of the most censored doctors at the time. He was like, this just leading researcher in cancer treatment, was a Polish immigrant who came to America, got his Ph.D. in his, like, early 20s, was like, sought out by like, John Hopkins and all the, the biggest hospitals, and then eventually created or found something called anti neoplastones, which was having success with curing cancer. And, and it's an interesting story because I, I got real lucky this get him on really early in, like, my podcasting career, if you can call it that. And he, he, he had a documentary by Eric Mercola called Brzezinski. And in that documentary, and obviously I watched the documentary before I had him on, they were talking about all these, like, bots and, and how big pharma had these, like, these companies and firms that would like, basically pollute any positive information on Dr. Brzezinski's treatment. So, you know, you're watching the documentary and anybody who's saying anything good about Dr. Brzezinski or has anything positive to say in the comments, you'll see like, no, it's pseudoscience. He's a murderer, he's a killer, he's this and that. So it was, it was interesting. So, and then when I got him on and I officially booked them for the show, I got excited because he was like, kind of one of my first really big and important guests. And I was really excited to share with my audience. But I just started, like, probably a couple months before I had him on. Didn't have much of a platform, but just myself sharing that he's coming On I dealt with the same type of, you know, campaign of like, bots and people contacting me with fake accounts saying that he was a murderer and he was a killer. And then what year was this? And this was probably late 2013, early 2014. And yeah, and his, his documentary is phenomenal. I mean, he, it will pull at your heartstrings. I mean, it opens up and I'll just tell the story really quickly, but I, it really, right from the get go, it really pulls at your heartstrings. It opens up with this, this police officer who had twin daughters and one of his daughters had cancer. And they basically said, hey, like she's, you know, you can do the modern treatments and to, to hopefully extend her life. So they're like, okay, anything that will extend her life, why not? So they go through the treatment and, and apparently like the chemo and radiation was making her urine so toxic that, that they had to wear gloves to change her diaper. And she was in like, pain constantly and all this stuff. And this, this, this police officer is Testifying for Brzezinski, Dr. Brzezinski in court. And he, he tells his story and then he goes, he hears about. He, he's like, well, I have to get her off this treatment because I'd rather her live less time with less pain than more time with pain. Right? So he gets her off this treatment, finds out about Dr. Brzezinski, does his treatment, goes through, I believe, another hospital to, to basically keep up with her tumor and see if it's shrinking. I think it's like eight weeks or something along those lines. She's completely cancer free. Completely. You know, basically it was, it seemed like a miracle. A year later, she passes away, they do an autopsy, they find out it was radiation that killed her. And he told the story in court and he's like, if I knew then, you know, she would still be alive if I knew that this treatment even existed. And Dr. Brzezinski, he, he's had like, heads of CIA, you know, go to him. He's had members of the Saudi family go to him and. But it, they, the FDA sued him and would not let him get FDA approved or I think he got approved and they took it away from him and that's. And they, they kept bringing him to court. There's even like a famous, A scene of a judge going to the FDA attorney and saying, hey, you guys keep losing this battle. Why do you keep bringing him to court? And the purpose was to hopefully from. In, from their perspective, hopefully he would run out of funds.
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Sam Tripoli
They kept bringing they dream of funds.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah, yeah, because they knew that he did. They didn't. He wasn't doing anything illegal. His treatment was actually safer than chemo and radiation, statistically. And so. And radiation. I mean, it causes cancer. You try to fight cancer with something that causes cancer. Cancer. That's why most people who become cancer free using typical treatments will eventually have other types of cancer later in life. And that's because of the radiation. So, I mean, I've had Dr. Thomas Seyfried on my show. He's out of Boston, Boston University, and he had 150 peer review studies showing that the ketogenic diet can cure, prevent and treat cancer. Because, and just this just using like, logical understanding of cancer, that glucose is energy source for cancer. Obviously if you starve your body of glucose, you're starving the cancer of a energy source. So he has 150 peer review studies. He wrote a book called Cancer as a Metabolic Disease. And you know, there should be something that everybody should be looking into and know about. Nobody cares. He's like, you know, he's like, nobody's interested. He's like, nobody's calling me. He's like, nobody. He's like. And I have research showing it. He even showed that even if you did the traditional treatments like chemo and radiation, if you did the ketogenic diet and you did, you know, dietary things like that and, or, or even fasting, that it can help with your, with the treatment, it will help progress the treatment better and you'll have better outcomes and you, and you'll become cancer free quicker. So it's like, the point is, like, it's just the big pharma for a long time were, you know, they're the real domestic terrorists and they're the ones who, you know, growing up 9, 11 was a big red pill for, for me, obviously, you know, Jason Burmes was one of my first guests. I thought, you know, I was trying to get him to understand how important his, his documentary was. He's a very modest guy, but it's like, dude, your, your documentary changed people's lives. It was, it was at least the starting point for many people to go down many different rabbit holes. And so those type of geopolitical stuff was always an interest of mine. But when I really started understanding and noticing that, like, hey, like that stuff, the stuff that's going on overseas is important. But I'm like, we have domestic terrorists. We have people that are, you know, not living their best lives or getting Sick and being stuck in this cycle of. You talked about somebody who couldn't afford food. I mean, there's people who, who can't afford the medicine that, you know, that the food industry made them need. And, and so it's like, you know, it's one of those. And, and really. And I can rant forever. That's why I started podcast. But it is one of those things too, that, that's another question that people should be asking. It's like, why do we need so much medicine? Like, what's wrong with our system? People will spark the conversation of like, oh, how do you know, universal based or universal healthcare and all, and all these things. And I think that's, you know, important and I think an important topic to discuss. But we should, instead of asking like, how do we get cheaper healthcare, more affordable healthcare, maybe we should be asking, why do we need so much health care? You know, and years ago, people used to, you know, doctors used to ask you, like, hey, are you on any medication today? They ask you how many medications you're on. Yeah, and everybody's on something. There's been zero studies on the combination of these medications together. Like, so when they do a study, it's a solo study on those medications. Nobody. So when a doctor says, hey, take this. Hey, I know you're on, you know, high blood pressure pills and you're also on this and you're on that, and he gives you another pill, nobody knows how they're going to interact and how they're going to affect your body. So it could lead to other symptoms which lead to other medications. And it's.
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Sam Tripoli
Have you seen that video, Ricky, that's been going around lately as a guy that goes into a bunch of different psychiatrists and he lays out the exact same symptoms to each different doctor and they all diagnose him differently. But not only do they diagnose him differently, they prescribe him a litany of pharmaceuticals and each one is different from the previous doctor. So in other words, he goes there with the same symptoms, they say he has something different, they give him a different cocktail. And it's like, it's a huge kind of pulling back of the curtain to see how the industry works. Because we've been giving these people the benefit of the doubt because we've been programmed to in very many ways, right? Trust the experts, things like that. And then when you see how the sausage is made, you go, there's, there's almost zero rhyme or reason to how there. It's all predicated, especially our mental Health industry, Right. It's predicated off of bunk science that doesn't exist. This idea that there are chemical imbalances in the brain that they've never been able to produce or prove. There's no baseline for that chemical imbalance. Right. Like, I forgot who told us top on the show. But a great way that they laid it out was like, you. You know what the PH balance of your.
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Top Lobster
Marzinski.
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Sam Tripoli
Was it Marzinski that said that? Well, either way, it's like you have a PH balance that is baseline for your pool. And, you know, from that baseline that you're operating to try to, you know, level these. These different acidities or whatever the case is, until to the point where they're at the baseline. But we don't know what a baseline is for. For human brain chemical function, because in order to observe it, you would need to somehow, I don't know, lobotomize a living person and measure their. Their, Their brain chemicals. So all of it is. Is already off to a shaky start. In fact, everything that you've been talking about, you know, at the beginning of the show, it screams, you said, why do we have all this giant medical apparatus, this giant medical industry here in America? It's not for our benefit. It's a lucrative industry. And so when people go, well, cancer is a big industry, they don't want it to be eliminated. They want it to be managed so that they have a patient for life. And that's very nihilistic. And you get called a conspiracy theorist for even thinking that way. But even the story that you just told us is, like, makes it real hard to give them the benefit of the doubt after that.
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Ricky Verandis
Well, the DSM was completely based on the dsm, which is the bible for, you know, mental health. It's completely based on bullshit. They use that chemical imbalance term because it sounds scientific and it sounds like. But they don't ever test you for any chemical imbalance. So in other words, like, they're telling you have a chemical imbalance, which logically means, like, they should test you to see how imbalanced it is. Which chemicals are imbalanced. They don't do any of that. What you do is you get a pill, and if that doesn't work, you get another pill. If that doesn't work, you get another pill. And there's a great documentary, which it's funny because I've been promoting it forever. I shouldn't say promoting it, but I've been telling people about it because it really does a great job of Going into the history of the DSM and how they, you know, before, prior to, you know, psychologists being able to write prescriptions, like, you would go see one, and they would talk to you about your issues, try to, like, resolve it by talking. Right. And. And then it got to a point where, like, Big Pharma's like, well, it's much, like, easier to just write a prescription. And you. We can make tons of money because we don't have to do any tests. We don't have to go do any experts. You can just walk in and say that you're kind of down. No. And. And nobody's gonna second guess, you know, writing that prescription because this person's depressed. Nobody goes into, like, okay, is it. Did you lose your job? Did you lose a family member? Like, did your dog die?
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Sam Tripoli
Any number of things. And. And also the. The turnover rate, you know, it makes it a lot faster. You don't have to invest in a particular client and talk them through their issues, which, you know, is. It takes a long. It's a long process to unpack childhood trauma and all these things. Just give them a pill, get them out the door, get the next one in, give him a pill, get him out the door. That's much of what the industry has become, is this revolving door of patients. They want you in, diagnosed, prescribed, and out as quickly as possible.
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Ricky Verandis
Well, it's symptom management. And there's a documentary called Making a Killing. And it's so. It's funny because I've had some doctors from that show or from that documentary on my show. I didn't. And I don't even think they even knew, but apparently it was funded by some group that's, like, linked to Scientology. And it's like. And I'm like, oh, that actually kind of makes sense, though, because they are kind of right about their. Their out, you know, their outlook on these mental health issues. Because you look like you go back and rewatch the Tom Cruise famous scene of him talking about, you know, antidepressants. He's right. Like, he's right about just about all of it. And what they don't tell you is that, like, exercise has been proven statistically to be better for mental health than any prescription drug. And. And they. What happens is that these drugs suppress all emotions. They're so. It's not just anxiety or depression or whatever. Like, they suppress everything. So you become a zombie, and you see it. I mean, I've talked to police officers about how these. You know, when they lock somebody up and they're on these pills. Like, he's like, they're, they're like emotionless, right? And they're like these zombies. And that's why for a while with these mass shooters, they were talking about, like, hey, why don't they release the records and show us like, what drugs they're on? Because they're, they're lack of empathy when they're doing these crimes. Like, that could be a part of it. And there's. So I had a song back in the day where I, I got these, these little samples of the court case with Prozac and these people in the 90s. I don't know if you remember, but like Prozac and you can still find them online. Like Prozac.
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Sam Tripoli
Prozac and Zoloft.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. One of the side effects of this antidepressant is suicide. So. So you're literally taking something to prevent, you know, you figured the most extreme symptoms of depression would be like suicide. Like, so you're trying to prevent going down that road where you're suicidal. And instead one of the side effects are suicide. And there's like these cr. These crazy testimonies of people in court talking about how, like this one mother who said that she was holding a gun to the bed with her husband and her kids in it and she didn't know why, and she was like about to pull the trigger and she dropped to the last second and the second she got off the pros actually was fine. And. And there's all these re. You know, and. But it's actually one of the side effects of most of these antidepressants are like suicidal thoughts and all this other stuff.
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Sam Tripoli
Because, yeah, these SRIs, if you, if you stop taking them cold turkey, you experience all those latent sort of suppressed emotions, right? Because you have no emotional range. Like you said, you're like a zombie. And when you cold turkey them because you finally get fed up with being in this state that's a lot of people's not routine. But you see it commonly, right? It's like the doctor prescribes it, it's supposed to help. Instead it turns you to a zombie. You hang in there for a long time. Eventually you go, these things can't take them anymore. Stop taking them cold turkey in a rebound. Effect of like heightened emotional state is what follows after that. And that's what they suspect a lot of these shooters are experiencing. But you, you said something before you were talking about dogs, and I just thought how funny it is, you know, I, I'm sorry.
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Top Lobster
I Just want to. Because this is a. This is like a. I guess you can call it a Christian show, even though we say some crazy. But in Revelation 18:23, it just reminded me of this. It says that in a certain place the light of the lamp will never shine again, and the voices of the bride and the bridegroom will never be heard again. Because the merchants there were great and deceived, and they were great and deceived all nations through sorcery. But the Greek translation of that word, sorcery is pharmakia. And that's, like, constantly referred back to as like. Like sorcery.
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Sam Tripoli
Basically the beginnings of the pharmaceutical industry, right?
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Top Lobster
Yeah. Yeah. So when we're seeing shit like this with people that are just completely zoned out, zonked out, like they have this, like, warm blanket over their head, over their brain, that doesn't allow them to express emotion or really think outside of the box at all, I start to.
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Sam Tripoli
Go a little of like the Haitian voodoo zombie kind of a move, right? Because they're going through some sort of a pharmakia ritual, but then they're coming out zonked out of their mind. And highly suggestible.
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Ricky Verandis
Right.
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Sam Tripoli
Highly open to suggestion. But that thing with the dog that's significant is that owners of dogs know, and it's. It's pretty widely accepted, that especially if you get a working breed, let's say, they will display neurological, you know, issues, I guess, and a lot of it is because they're pent up and they're not working. So this dog has an energy expenditure demand. It needs to be worked out. It needs to have a job. It needs to run in a field. It needs to get exercise. If the dog doesn't get exercise, then the dog becomes neurotic and it displays all kinds of undesirable psychological behaviors. Anxiety, for sure. You can observe anxiety in a dog. So when you're saying, Ricky, that exercise has been proven to be significantly more helpful, you know, at treating things like depression than pharmaceuticals are. We don't. For some reason, we can't accept that about us. But we can look at a dog and go, yeah, the thing needs to be walked. It's got to be walked. It's got to be exercise. It's just such a simple thing. But whatever they've done to us, we're willing to overlook that about ourselves.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. I remember telling somebody about milk thistle for a liver cleanse. It's a natural herb. It helps with hangovers. That helps with just, you know, feeling better and somebody's like, yeah, my doctor or my. My dog's taking it. And. And I'm like. It's funny. I'm like, you should be taking it. You drink more than your dog, I would assume. But it's. Yeah, it is funny how, like, certain things, we. We don't connect those dots. And I think a lot of it is propaganda. It's just like the medical world has done such a great job of, like, talking about the experts and, you know, even mental health. You guys, I'm sure you're aware of, like, the Rat park experiment.
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Sam Tripoli
Yes. Yeah. And even. Even that has been sort of unfairly portrayed, I think. But can you. Can you tell the audience a little bit about it?
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. So it was, you know, just a brief, I guess, background on it. So they were giving these mice what they had them in a cage. They were giving. They had water with, like, some drug. I don't know if it was cocaine. Yeah, might have been cocaine. And they had water with cocaine and water didn't have cocaine. The mice naturally kept going to the water with cocaine, eventually died. Right. So people are like, hey, you know, like, it means that cocaine's really addictive. And then these. I believe they're Canadians, like doctors or scientists or they. They kind of were thinking about the study and they're like, well, the cage has become a part of the experiment. So let's see if we can recreate the experiment by giving the mice its natural habitat and see if. If it's the cocaine that's bringing them back to it. So they create. They got some warehouses, created their natural habitat where they could roam and play and. And exercise and. And be with other mice and whatnot. And then they did the same thing. They. They had water with cocaine, water that didn't have cocaine. And they came, drank the water once, went away, never came back. And they're like, oh, okay, now we figure this out, like, why they're going to the cocaine. What wasn't because it was addictive. It was because they were in this cage and they were unhappy. Yeah. And then if you give them other places to find happiness, then there's no need for it. And I think addiction is much of that. Right. Like, I think a lot of people, it's not. A lot of times we think it's external. It's about the substance that we take, but it's. It's not like it's internal. It's about some emptiness, some unhappiness or whatever. I remember telling a buddy of mine, he went to UMass, which, you know, Is kind of known as a party school locally. I live in Massachusetts. And he's like, oh, we'd go to these parties and he's like, you know, there'd be some cocaine there, whatever. He's like, I remember I tried it once. He's like, you know, never touched it again. And, and that was it. He's like, but my buddy I was with tried it and then next thing you know, he became this crazy partier who just was like doing it all the time and you know, in. And he's like, it kind of makes sense because I, I knew what I was going to college for. I had like a path, I had a girlfriend, I had a stable home. And he was the complete opposite. No girlfriend was going to college, but didn't know if that's what he wanted to do. You know, didn't have a great relationship with his parents. And so it's like, you know, growing up they would, adults would always talk about like, oh, this, this drug is more addictive than that drug or that drug is more addictive. And I'm like, well, if you can just quantify that simple, that, simplify that that easily, then how come if I do that addictive thing, I don't have the same response as somebody else? If you can quantify it as like, hey, it's this addictive, then how come one person can have a drink of alcohol and, and drink as a social drinker? Somebody else drinks a sip of alcohol, next thing you know they're like, you know, ruining their lives or, you know.
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Sam Tripoli
Well, that, the thing is like I, I'm not going to do fentanyl, but if you locked me in a cage for 10 years and then after a decade you came to me and you said, how about some fentanyl? And there's nothing else in the cage, I'm probably going to do some fentanyl, you know what I mean? So it's like, it's an absence of positive stimuli.
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Top Lobster
It also, it also comes to the, the idea that what we discover on the show is like, what certain drugs peel back as far as like the material realm and alcohol, spirits, they peel back a certain veil that I, we think would expose you to different, some type of entities. Like, you know, if you do, if you do dmt, you're going to see some Clockwork elves. If you do ayahuasca, you're going to see a cheetah headed lady. This is like fairly common. So when you're doing methamphetamine or crack cocaine, things like this, there are Entities that are associated with these things throughout mythologies, throughout history. So the El Cucui he's. He's associated with, that's like the boogeyman. He has like, sharp teeth and like, or maybe even like, associated with the Chupacabra in like, Puerto Rico as well. Same kind of description. He's associated with the coca leaf. So it's like, it's interesting that when these people are doing these drugs, they are opening a doorway and now they are in touch with XYZ entity. And from there you could start to describe their influence and like, the path that they go down. It's like, are you talking to something? There is something now able to reach out to you.
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Sam Tripoli
Right. Marzinski said that methamphetamine was the closest thing he had ever seen. Dr. Jerry Marzinski is a clinical psychologist that work with schizophrenic patients. He said the closest he'd ever seen to the manifestation of schizophrenic symptoms in an individual was through meth. And that he eventually came to the place where he thought schizophrenia was. You're being beset upon by something that's external to your own self. So throughout the research on the show, we've become. We've come to a place where we think these things manifest in like a frequency and your brain can kind of tune into them and. But he says that methamphetamine is almost like kicking that door open so that you can have this communication with these things. And the door closes very slowly, much slower than any other drug that he'd seen in a prison setting, dealing.
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Top Lobster
Almost like. He described it as like, people that are doing this to excess. Like, the door doesn't even close anymore. It's just wide open, right?
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Sam Tripoli
So wide open.
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Top Lobster
You're being tortured like 24 7, you know what I mean?
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Sam Tripoli
But that, that notion, Rick, of like, trusting the experts, it kind of brings us like, right back to the beginning of the conversation. We were actually having it before the show started. And when you were describing this, I found myself smiling. You were talking about, you know, a two hour drive and, and listening to podcasts, and I almost kind of miss those days. I don't really do that anymore because I. I don't drive anywhere. I do this full time, but there's like something real. I don't know. Yeah, dude, this is how I think.
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Ricky Verandis
Ricky.
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Top Lobster
I met you, Ricky. We just met right now, but I met you years ago. Surprise to you, huh? Driving a tractor trailer.
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Sam Tripoli
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
In New York City. Just listening, learning, talking to myself. Nobody else heard me. But, you know, here we are a couple of years later. It's interesting how that works.
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Sam Tripoli
It's fascinating because as a. As a podcaster, it's funny when that comes out of my mouth, because podcasting has, like, almost a dirty connotation to it. Like, I think it's the. The connotation is we are the opposite of the experts that they tell you to trust. But funny enough, most of the information that I've gotten over the years, new subjects I've become fascinated with, they. They come from. They're inspired by different podcasts that we're listening to. But when you Fast forward to 2020, and I know you're just talking about going through, you're kind of like, battling with the medical industry. Back in 2013, it was 2020, we all found ourselves battling with the medical industry. And it's wild because they told us to trust the experts. It's clear the experts misled us egregiously. And that's. That's probably being generous.
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Top Lobster
And now purposefully is like, that's. I think that's the question.
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Sam Tripoli
I'm saying that's why it's being. It's being generous.
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Top Lobster
I. I'd say that. I'd say purposefully, but, like, we were talking before the show. How do you talk to normies about this kind of thing? Because if I talk to my aunt, and I was like, these have been lying egregiously on purpose to you, and they want you dead. I like, like, the. The Michael Malice quote is like, they. They want to see your kids raped, and they think it's funny. And I think that that's, like, right there. Hard to tell somebody that is not ready to hear it, but it's like, yo, they. They want you dead, and they want to see your kids raped, and they think it's funny. And that's, like, the bottom line of really what we're talking about here. No if ins or. But how do I get to that conversation with a normal person? That's up to you, you know?
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Sam Tripoli
Well, I would say that the way you do it is maybe you don't have a conversation. Maybe they shut up and they listen. Right? Like, so much of what I came to learn was just listening to conversation on podcasts. So what I'm just saying is, is during a time where they told us to trust the experts, it was the podcasters, and not to, like, you know, aggrandize podcasters too much, but, like, thank God for them, because so much of the information that helped. How Many people. I mean, it's not even, we're not even being hyperbolic if we're saying those people who told you, pump the brakes, maybe don't listen to what the media is saying. Let's analyze this. Let's hear what everybody else has to say and let's, let's not jump to conclusions during the lockdowns that, that version literally saved lives, literally saved people's lives, changed some people's minds. I'm not going to go get invasive medical intervention. I'm not going to go do that. I'm not, I'm going to wait and see as more information comes out. Because some of my favorite people that I listen to on my two hour ride to work, you know, you kind of trust them after a while, some of them are going, I don't know if this is what they're saying it is. And I don't know if we should jump straight in. Hey, maybe you should talk to your own doctor. Personally talk to your doctor, get, maybe get a second opinion from another doctor. Literally save lives. And so I just think there's a, it's, it's sad on some level, but the very people who have been ridiculed, you know, Joe Rogan's a great example. CNN tore him down, painted him gray, you know, dragged him all over the, the, the, your, your, your television set and all he was doing was having conversations. Robert Malone, Peter McCullough, he has him on. Is this really as bad as we think it is? And for some reason the mainstream media is screaming about that. Trust the experts, don't trust the podcasters. But I think the track record's a.
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Top Lobster
Little bit better all the way to today. And I kind of, I think let's, let's bring it to that, this culmination. But we're at the 30 minute mark, so we have to, we have to shed the pores, unfortunately, Ricky, but shedding. Yeah.
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Sam Tripoli
Guys, it is 38 minutes in and we are now going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad. Don't worry, you can go over there, you can continue watching this episode, hanging out in the live chat and you can do it all for free, plus all the other perks that exist over on patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. Otherwise, we'll see you guys later. All right?
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Top Lobster
Right.
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Sam Tripoli
So, yeah, what do you think about all of that, Ricky?
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Top Lobster
All that? Yeah.
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Ricky Verandis
Well, I, I think Rogan is kind of a perfect example of somebody, you know, like how everybody takes that journey slightly Different. I mean, I've been a fan of Rogan for, like I said before I started my podcast, he was a big inspiration because of just like my love for long form discussion. I, I'd be at the pub with my friends having a drink. You have those nights where you're, you know, debating things all night, you're having, you know, rounds and, and you're, you're arguing about this, you're, you're debating about that, you're, whatever, sharing personal stories and podcasts for me, like, I'm like, all you're doing is like archiving that. Those type of discussions, you're trying to recreate them and you're sharing them with the world. And. But with Rogan, like I was, especially when it came down to like the vaccine discussion, I was a little disappointed in him for a long time. And you know, I had people like Del Big Tree on my show. I mean, he said it on my show. This was before COVID that his exact words were that, you know, Rogan was a. And, and he wouldn't have on. And he, and he's like. Because I remember telling him at the end of one of the, the episodes he was on of the Ripple Effect podcast, I'm like, hey dude, we got to get you on Rogan. Because I'm like, I know he's open minded and he talks to, he's not afraid of talking to, you know, what seem to be like, people go against the grain and controversial at times, but it seemed to be the, like, the one topic he wouldn't really go deep into. Eddie Bravo would push on the topic every once in a while, but he just seemed to have his mindset that, you know, vaccines are, are safe and effective and have done a lot of good in the world. But you would see tidbits of like him questioning it. And we talked about Lyme disease slightly before we started recording. And I had Chris Newby on this is way before COVID And, and she was a scientist who wrote, I think the book's called Bitten. And she wrote a book and she was a scientist, really respected writer and author and researcher who came to Massachusetts to I believe Cape Cod, Martha's Vineyard for a vacation. Um, got really sick, went back to California where she lived and was misdiagnosed about a thousand times because they don't see Lyme disease in California. So they didn't, they'd never connected the dots and thought it was Lyme disease that she got in, in Massachusetts. So she was like bedridden for like a year or Two or something like that, her and her husband. And then she's like, what is going on with this disease? Like, I want to learn a bit about it. And so she ends up doing some research and finding out that she thought it was, you know, it was basically government. They weaponized it. They weaponized it and they were, they created it. It was man made, it wasn't naturally made. And, and you know, and then I had her on during COVID again to kind of talk about it and share her perspective on Covid because it seemed very similar to the Lyme disease story. And you know, obviously the story is that it started in Plum island, which is off the coast of Lyme, Connecticut. And they do have this like, you know, this place where they do research there, the government does research there. And it's really secretive what they do there and whatnot. And, and there has been some, some pictures. I don't know how, how factual it is or if they're real or not. But for, for years you would see weird animals, like dead on the coast of Lyme, Connecticut, like these weird, like mutated animals that didn't seem like seen before. So there's always been that mystery there. But I remember one of the times Chris Newby was going to be on the show, I was doing some research, kind of refreshing, kind of my memory on like the history of Lyme and some of that stuff. Now I ran into a clip of Joe Rogan talking about Lyme disease with. I forget which MMA fighter, if it was Edgar, I forget which one it was. Frankie, I think it was. Yeah, yes, exactly. And, and somebody, they're sharing the story and then Rogan talks about somebody close to him who got the Lyme disease vaccine and basically got like really sick and got Lyme disease from it. And, and they're sharing this story and Frankie Eggers, like, you know, so they're sharing the story and they're basically talking about how skeptical they are of that Lyme disease vaccine and you know, how it was a bad idea. And then during that research, I also ran into a clip of Rogan talking to Peter Hotez about the Lyme disease vaccine. And this was after the Frankie Egger episode. So now I kind of have a little bit of knowledge that like, okay, Rogan has a personal story and a personal connection to somebody who got Lyme disease from the vaccine and eventually that vaccine got taken off the market and, and whatnot. So he's talking to Peter Hotez. And Peter Hotez apparently is friends with the guy who patented or came up with it or whatever. And they're talking about it and Peter Hotez says it was taken off the market because of all the anti vaxxers speaking poorly of it. And, and so Rogan's like, no, I don't think that's right. Because he's like, I have a friend who, who got it, who got really sick from the vaccine, and I believe that's why he got taken off the market. And so they're having this little debate. And the reason I bring this up is because it, like it was the first time on the show that I'm like, that's like I, I think he's connecting the dots in real time. Like he, he just caught Dr. Hotez, who he obviously had on because he believed some of the stuff he says and he thought he was a credible person. And I'm like, he's connecting the dots that he's lying about this one vaccine. And then like, as time went by, every once in a while I would like see reflections of like Rogan questioning the mainstream narrative on vaccines. And then eventually he had like Rhonda Patrick on, who was a friend of his, he actually had a debate with her on the COVID vaccine on the show. Like they had like a friendly little debater pushing back and this and that. And he's like, and he's just saying things that logically make sense. Like if you already have the virus, you've already tested positive a bunch of times, already been sick, what's the point of getting the vaccine and taking that risk? And, and that's the thing. Like I always tell people, I'm like, if something seems like it doesn't make sense, it probably doesn't make sense. I think sometimes we are, we are told and convinced and tricked into believing that it doesn't make sense to us because we're too dumb to understand. And yes, experts have it figured. They figured it out. Like, don't, don't worry about it. Like it doesn't make sense to you because you're an idiot. And, but the experts say it makes sense. That's because it makes sense, you know, and, and most of the time that that's not the case. Most of the time something doesn't make sense. It's because it actually doesn't make sense. And so little by little, he, he evolved. And I think that, you know, seeing him in real time going from like never questioning vaccines to Del Victory, calling him a was saying that he, he knows personally that Robert Kennedy Jr. Has, you know, there are people have talked to the Rogan people and he won't have Mon and Del Big Tree seemed upset about that and rightfully so, to eventually having Robert Kennedy on and letting him do a three hour history lesson on the lack of science of vaccines and, and all that type of stuff. I'm like, you saw it in real time. So I think a lot of people, even in our own personal lives, like sometimes it takes that much time. It takes like, you know, one, one conversation, one documentary, one article, one person. And you know, I've had pushback my own personal life with many people throughout the years. I mean, I have two kids. I'm not ashamed to say that neither of them have never, they've never been vaccinated. They're, they're both great athletes. They do great in school. You know, no autoimmune issues, no allergies, nothing. And, and I, and I say this publicly because, not because I'm bragging, but because there's a lot of parents who are looking to make those decisions who like, all they hear is that if you don't vaccinate your kid, all these bad things are going to happen. And if you're reassured that like, hey, we were told the same scary things and we've have examples of kids who are 10 and 8 and are, you know, have no cognitive issues, have, like, they're great athletes, are never sick, they're not allergic to anything, we never go to doctors for any reason, then maybe it will reassure you that like, hey, I can make this decision and it's not a bad decision and whatnot. Because I think the people who, for a long time, I mean, if you're anti Vaxxer, for lack of a better term, like you, you were like the worst of the worst, I think like, you know, like saying that the moon landing was, was faked or you know, or saying that 911 was an inside job was like less of an emotional response than saying that, you know, vaccine was linked to autism or it was.
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Sam Tripoli
Like vaccine Anti Vaxxer was the tip of the spear and it was only second place and it was a far second place was like Sandy Hook Denier. And if you had those two things, you were absolutely the worst person alive.
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Top Lobster
Flat Earther, Moon, moon landing Denier.
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Sam Tripoli
Those are just silly. Those are not so egregious, right? You're like, oh, you're an idiot, you flat earth or whatever. But let me just say something.
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Ricky Verandis
You think we land on the moon?
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Top Lobster
No, no, there's just no way. I find it funny. I wish they would have sent that to the Moon, Katy Perry's keeper there. But they. They barely got out of, like, outer Earth orbit.
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Sam Tripoli
They're doing a ritual. I think they're doing some divine feminine. You know what I mean? Because remember the guy that retrieved the egg from the uap, whatever, and he's like, yeah. When I was flying the helicopter, I got a sense that I could. I was sensing God, but it wasn't masculine. It was feminine only. And then all of a sudden, what's her name, Katy Perry goes into low Earth orbit, whatever you would call it, and she's like, I really felt connected to the divine feminine, the goddess energy. Like, shut the up, man. So I think they were doing some kind of goofy little. Little ceremony or ritual. But, Ricky, what you're talking about there, right? Even. Even the. The length of time that it takes for an individual to come to the conclusion that they've been lied to is directly correlated to how deeply they've been propagandized.
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Top Lobster
And here's the problem, though. I'm gonna. I'm going to call bullshit. Not. Not on you, Ricky, but I'm calling bullshit on Rogan, mostly because he knows these things. He was saying them early in his podcast and career. He's friends with Eddie Bravo. And then he goes on and, like you said, like, he's. He's having this conversation with Peter Hotez, and he's like, that's strange, because my friend actually got Lyme from that. And I'm like, you're playing stupid, motherfucker. You are not stupid, but you're playing stupid. So there's like this. I love Rogan, love what he does, but it's without a doubt that there's a controlled release to what he's doing.
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Sam Tripoli
Which is why he might be doing it smart. He might have to do it that way. When you have the biggest platform in the world, you can't just come out and say X, Y, and Z. Maybe you can let the audience come to their own conclusions and let the guest say the crazy things.
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Ricky Verandis
Do you think a little bit is the weight on his shoulders of, like, hey, as much as I want to pretend I don't know that this is the biggest show on Earth, and everything I say will influence everything and the whole world as we know it. Like, I think that weight is. Is on his shoulders, and he recognizes it, and it's unavoidable. And I think at times he. He might know something, but unless he's, like, completely bought in, he won't take that leap quite yet. And I think, you know, with the Vaccine thing. It's like a perfect example because he would push back on Eddie and others who were anti vax. And then eventually he's like, hey, here's Robert Kennedy Jr. And I'm letting you completely debunk all the vaccine science uninterrupted for three hours. And I'm putting it out there. And I know it's going to be one of the biggest downloaded shows ever, and I know it's going to change a lot of people's minds. So it's like for him to take that leap, you know, I. It. So I do think. And I think you guys have hung out with Sam and, you know, probably even Eddie at some point. You know, I did too. Throughout the years. I remember always, like, saying, hey, like, what's Rogan doing? You know, And Eddie would always. And Sam too would always reassure me that like, hey, he's coming along, he's. And you would see it like, so the Alex Jones episode where they talked about Pizzagate. Right?
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Sam Tripoli
That was great.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. And. And you could tell that Joe wanted to pretend he was skeptical, but in it for the purpose of like, hey, I'm gonna pretend I'm a listener of the show who's call who thinks everything you say is. And then we're gonna review it and we're gonna talk about it. And then this way, you know, I don't get. I don't get looked at like, hey, I just let this guy spew whatever he wanted and I didn't correct them or call him out on anything. And he did the same thing with Bert, Bart Sobrel, you know, and Bart's been on my show. The. The moon landing guy who did the movie A Strange Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon. He. He was famous for having the astronaut punch him in the face for, you know, he had. He had a Bible with him and he wanted Buzz to put his hand on. On the Bible and, you know, talk about the moon or admit that he didn't. He did go to the moon or didn't go to the moon. And so, you know, he did the same thing where Bart was like. Felt like Joe was pushing back a little bit and Rogan was trying to reassure him that, like, hey, I'm pushing back because this helps the audience and this will help you in the long run. Because now I'm asking the questions that they're asking and I'm pushing back a little bit, which gives you the opportunity to kind of rebuttal. What a lot of these listeners are probably screaming into their phone or computer while they listen to podcasts. So I think he, there is a strategy and there is a method to his madness. I also think he's human, right. And everybody kind of reaches places, you know, at a different time and different rate. And, and I think when you, you know, you guys are podcasters. I'm a podcaster. I, I like to believe when you listen to somebody that many hours, like.
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Sam Tripoli
You know who they are.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah, you. It's to some extent. I mean, of course there's always going to be things that maybe somebody does a really good job of hiding or, you know, manipulating maybe a little bit, but like, for the most part, who they are is going to come out and you can only for so long, especially when he was doing three hour podcasts, you know, five times a week for years. Like, if you listen enough, you're gonna get all shades of his personality. Right. You're gonna get, you know, all aspects of him and little tidbits of who he is will come out. Right. And that's why this is my problem.
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Top Lobster
Though, because it's, you know, I know who Rogan is, and I also understand what you're saying where you have to play both sides a little bit of the way and also to have a com. Have conviction on something that, that you might not be right on. I understand that he understands he's moving culture, but on the other hand, you're having guys like Michael Osterholm on who, in my opinion, that kicked off this whole Covid insanity, like when he had him on that's the World shut down a week after this guy came on and preached like hellfire and brimstone. And I, you know, it's unfortunate, but when you're at that level, when you're like Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, or like these Ben Shapiro guys, it was like, I am looking at every single thing you're saying, and you've accepted this platform. It's a Faustian bargain. So it's like, you better be right and you better be right right now, because it matters right now. So, you know, we allowed the, the vaccine talk to happen and he pushed back on it until finally there came a point where he was like, you know, basically saying this is nonsense, but there are so many people in the interim that got hurt, and it's like, you knew this. And, and so the latest thing is the experts, I've been calling the experts faking gay for years now, haven't believed a word they've said since probably, I don't know, 2018 at least, maybe even earlier. Like, you know, the whole Donald Trump thing really started to wake stuff up with a lot of people and really expose these bad actors. And just last week, that's it. Like, now we have the Rogan narrative where he's, he's basically single handedly taken down the experts, or they've done it themselves and all he had to do was sit there and go, huh, that's interesting. Why did you say that? Why did you? And now, yeah, the experts are dead. So it's like, well, why now? Why, why have we waited this long when these people like James Lindsay, that other gay British dude, Douglas Murray, they've been retarded for quite a while out there preaching their good message on your show to millions of people to the point where they've subverted the right wing. And it's like, but just now we're allowed to call them what they always have been. I've been calling James Lindsay all kinds of slurs for years. Clint couldn't understand my friend Clint Russell. He's had him on the show multiple times. I'm like, this guy is a faggot. You don't understand. And he's like, I don't get it. And I'm like, look at him, look at what he's saying. He's clear. Like, I, I could, I can. You're clearly a leftist. You're coming to me as a leftist, saying you're parading as a right wing and whether you're right or left doesn't matter. But if you're gonna lie to me, bold face like that, I'm like, at least make it good. At least disguise. It's like slightly better. This guy's an. And, you know, whatever. But now we're finally dealing with it and it's like the damage has been done.
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Sam Tripoli
So I've been fan, I've been a fan of Rogan since about late 2009, 2010 or something like that, like real early. And I got into him because he was talking about conspiracies all those years ago. And I was a fan all the way up until 2020. I'm still a fan of him. It's just like, how long could you listen to a dude? And what ended up happening was I had my suspicions about the lockdowns, and Rogan eventually platformed Robert Malone and Peter McCullough, I believe it was. And so much of what they were saying confirmed what I was looking at. So I was like, okay, I don't need to. This is happening too slow for me. On the Joe Rogan podcast Which is not his responsibility. You know what I mean? We're at the. At a. At a really pivotal moment in America's responsibility is to.
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Top Lobster
Is to walk by the hand these people. That. And I. I get it. I'm just. It's so, so frustrating. Like, the people that don't get it, right? He's walking them by the hand, and you have to show them slowly, step by step. Look, here's what's going on. Here's both sides. You still don't get it. Let's walk you through it. Then three years later, we'll say, oh, well, this is what really happened. But this is three years later.
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Sam Tripoli
That's what I'm saying. Like, if you're a conspiracy theorist, it's kind of like. And I don't think people are guilty of looking at Rogan as an authority figure, really, but you're better off just doing your own research, which goes in the face of, you know, trust the experts or whatever. But my moment that I thought was really strange. It's very anecdotal. There's nothing I could prove about it. And makes a funny clip. We've made a clip of it before where Joey Diaz is high out of his mind, and something happens. And Joe Rogan, he said, maybe he wasn't, like, picking up Joey's call. And he's like, yeah, dog, I don't know. We thought the CIA came and visited you again. And he. Rogan goes, what? And then Joey Diaz goes, never mind. Anyway, and just changes subjects. And I'm like, was that. And what I want to. All I want to say about that is, like, you don't know what happened to Rogan.
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Top Lobster
He.
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Sam Tripoli
I think I have a good sense of who he is just based off of the countless hours that I've listened to him. But you have the biggest platform in the world. It's awfully attractive to people who have a lot of power. And who's to say that somebody doesn't come and, let's just say, manipulate you one way or the other kind of coaxes you or. Or maybe they. They bribe you or maybe they threaten you. You know what I mean? I. I just think sometimes we're not looking at Rogan's platform for what it actually is. It actually is the biggest platform on the planet. So do you think that there's not constant attempts to co op that platform in some way, shape or form? We're talking the same intelligence agencies that created the Doors and. And Jim Morris and, you know, everything that Laurel Canyon did. They. They manufacture our culture currently and have for generations. But. But they would leave Rogan's podcast alone the most significant cultural manufacturing machine, you know, of modern day. And then maybe what's next after that? What's more. I mean, man, this is an honest question. What's more influential, Twitter or Joe Rogan? I don't know. I. I can't answer that. I almost want to say that Joe Rogan is probably still more influential than Twitter.
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Top Lobster
What moves? What. You know, that's. That's a great question. And they both move on major levels.
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Sam Tripoli
So I just think, like, man, who knows the pressures that he's under? And. And I. I think that Joe Rogan did really well for a really long time, and he's still great. You want to listen to something about mma, There you go. You want to listen to something about health and nutrition. There you go. You want to listen to something about hunting. There you go. There's all kinds of fascinating still happening there, but as far as the cutting edge of information that's pertinent to the moment that we're in, because if you go one way or the other way, you get inoculated, you get vaccinated, you get myocarditis, you know, or some like that.
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Top Lobster
You're gonna need the verbal report.
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Sam Tripoli
Places for that. There's other places for that. But I just think there's no way. There's no way in hell they didn't get interested in the Joe Rogan experience as a platform. There's no way.
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Ricky Verandis
I. I have no doubt that. I mean, there. There's no rock that doesn't, you know, get looked under. Right? I mean, if you're the CIA, there's operations for absolutely everything. I mean, I remember when I had Justin Ventura on, and he. He talked about when he became a governor and how, you know, he was called into the White House. He went into, like, this. They wanted to talk to him, and they brought him into some, like, some meeting room, and nobody had id, Nobody would tell him who they were. And he's like, what the fuck is going on here? And he's. He's like, dude, I'm a. I'm a governor. Like, you guys need to tell me who you are. And. And he's like, most of them probably gave him fake names. So he talks to. I don't know if he was somebody who was in Secret Service or buddies in the CIA, but he's like, hey, what do you think this was all about? And then he's like, they want to know how you got elected. And he you know, because he was the first independent, you know, Minnesota governor to be elected in Minnesota. So, like, it was all about, like, consuming data and, and. And gathering data to eventually use for their own propaganda and whatever. So, like, without a doubt, like, I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that happens behind the scenes with Rogan that we're not aware of in regards to, like, you know, them trying to influence them. Him and them trying to, you know, some way sway him in one direction or another. There's even stuff that he's probably not even aware of, right? And. And maybe he's had people on that he thought were sincere and. And decent people. And then next thing you know, he's like, you know, I think they were a fudgeing, you know, a plant, you know, So I think it's all those things, right?
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Top Lobster
It's like, it's so many. And again, I'm very hard on Rogan, but I do think he is one of the people that has navigated that the best. To the best of his. I mean, to the best of anyone's ability, that thus far, you know, he still has maintained this, like, I guess, somewhat view of the truth. He just has to, like. Like he's. He's got to jump through ropes to get there, man.
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Sam Tripoli
Oh, yeah.
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Top Lobster
Like, he can't really just say anything because they'll. They'll try to kill. Right now they're trying to kill him for the. For the experts thing. Like. Like James Lindsay is saying that, oh, this was a test. The. The Douglas Murray. Douglas Murray was actually sent to help Rogan, and Rogan failed. And now basically we have to take them down. This is what James Lindsay is saying. It's like, who the is we? Who is they? Why does this. What does this have to do with Israel? What are you guys talking about right now?
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Ricky Verandis
It's super scary. I mean.
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Sam Tripoli
Yeah.
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Ricky Verandis
How. I mean, how many conspiracies? Like, huge conspiracies. Like some of the biggest conspiracies.
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Sam Tripoli
The biggest ones.
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Ricky Verandis
The biggest ones. JFK, 911, Epstein. Right. Those are three. I mean, maybe covert, you can. We'll find out that they're some way related, but like, at least those three. The one thing people won't talk about is the Mossad link. And it's like, you know, and. And maybe sometimes they'll bring it up as like a footnote, but nobody talks about it as like a. Like a primary suspect in those.
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Top Lobster
And it happened. It happened so long ago, so it doesn't even matter.
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Sam Tripoli
I even think the Same with. With the P. Diddy thing. Just given that he was running operation out of the Virgin Islands. And it's like, so Epstein is operating out of the Virgin Islands. So is P. Diddy. What, are they just waving at each other from island to island? They're not having any crossover. They're not banging.
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Ricky Verandis
He runs the music industry.
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Sam Tripoli
I mean, there you go.
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Ricky Verandis
There's a lot of people. And some people believe Candace Owens has kind of hit on this topic, too, a bit.
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Sam Tripoli
And this Owen runs the music industry. I was like, I bet, dude. I bet she does.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. When is she gonna be on Tom McDonald song?
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Sam Tripoli
But it'd be better. Probably be better.
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Ricky Verandis
Would be better than Ben Shapiro. Roseanne killed it, though. She did all right.
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Sam Tripoli
Yeah. Well, Roseanne is my favorite. Everybody thinks she's some subversive evil Jew. And I'm like, maybe, but she's a lot of fun.
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Top Lobster
I love literal crazy person. I met her at a skank fest, sort of, and she was, like, sitting in the corner. I was like, hi. And she was like. I was like, okay, never mind. My bad. Rose is good.
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Ricky Verandis
Union of the unwanted. We had her on, and she was hilarious because she. She called in her. She. Her Internet wasn't working, so she called in using, like, a landline, which we had to, like, you know, delete the video and upload it because it had her number on.
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Sam Tripoli
That's so funny.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah, we're, like, freaking out. We're like, oh, she's gonna get calls, like, right after the show. But so we. She's on. And so she's on the landline, so she doesn't. She can't see who's visually on the call. Well, one of the people that we invited, or actually Sam invited, I wasn't even certain who he was, but he's a guy in the comedic world. I think he does movies or whatever. But apparently somebody brings up this guy, right? And apparently he said something about her special once. She didn't. He. She didn't know he was on the call. So she goes. She's like that left liberal, you know, like, going crazy, right? He's like, him. You know, this, like. Like, goes on this huge rant, right? And then we're like. We're like, roseanne, he's on the call. And then he's like. He's like, roseanne, Roseanne. All I said was like, I just felt like that special that I. That you're referring to, like, you. It wasn't up to par. It wasn't, like, to your level. And. And Just because you do amazing work. And I just feel. And then she's like, yeah, you're probably right.
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Top Lobster
I love her.
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Ricky Verandis
I love her so much I laugh my ass off because I grew up watching that show. So yeah, it's like I can't like, even when she's talking about serious stuff, like I'm, I'm like I, I can't, like I, I can't help but like smile because I'm like. She's so funny in the way she says things. But one thing that we talked about with her too, and this kind of goes into some of the topics we're, we're hitting on, is something that she said which is really important. And this goes into the deeper level of conspiracies, the level that like, you know, Rogan won't go into at most of the time. And you know, we talked about like, people talk about how like it's all financial and it's, it's like very kind of like materialistic, surface level view of things. Like, oh, you know, it. Where everything's just in. Influenced by money. It's like kind of. But then there's another level to it, right? And she talked about how like her and Tucker were the highest rated. You know, they're huge personalities, high rated people on this, on tv. And they both got dropped, right? And like they didn't get dropped for financial reasons because they were killing the ratings, but like they got dropped because of maybe spiritual, maybe evil entities. Maybe, you know, it was because the agenda was bigger than just financial. And that's the thing that people don't understand. Like there is another, when you look at like a Bill Gates, like he's not doing things because of finances, right? He's really loaded. You know, when you. It's about molding the world. It's about, it's about inspiring, influencing and engineering the, the civilization in the image that you want and having control over it.
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Sam Tripoli
And she believes all that spiritual stuff because she was, she was talking with Tucker Carlson and they started talking about the Nephilim and, and top. And I almost had a stroke because it was in the early inception of the show and, and it was just like right place, right time, right name. Because it became sort of a, a bigger talking point in the conspiracy zeitgeist after that conversation. But yeah, they both believe in, you know, spiritual entities, a spiritual realm. And that, that this is moved in a way that, to your point, Ricky, it's not just a nuts and bolts in cash. There's something else going on.
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Ricky Verandis
Oh, without A doubt. When you look at the history of eugenics and you look at, you know, it's. Oh, it's all like, spiritual to some extent. And I think, you know, you talked about alcohol. I'm Portuguese. I was born Portugal. My parents were winemakers. I've. Alcohol has always been a big part of, you know, our culture and. And I have a glass of wine every night with dinner and I. Some of my best ideas and thoughts come from when I'm drinking and because I think we're like, we're creatures of habit and we get very easily stuck in a pattern, not just of living, but thinking. And sometimes you need something to kind of like throw a, you know, a stick in, you know, the spoke of the bike and, like, just get you to fall and be like, yeah, where the fuck am I? You know, like, I've been just kind of riding his bike in the same road, not even thinking about looking at my surroundings or looking at things from a different perspective. And that's why I think, like, traveling, you know, sometimes substances, you know, like a drink or smoking or whatever you want to do.
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Sam Tripoli
Well, we talk about that often. It's like the Greeks, they attributed a lot of their great works of art or otherwise to the muses. And. And even that. That gentleman that we mentioned earlier, Dr. Jerry Marzinski, he tells us that he believes upwards of 80% of our thoughts are not actually our own thoughts. They're just things that we're observing that are passing through. And then it begets the question, what's the source of those thoughts?
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Top Lobster
Yeah, he's like. He thinks like, we're antennas. So as you're saying, because I agree with you, I'm not like, when I say these things about, like, well, alcohol is, you know, it's going to summon spirits. It's like, not. I mean, yes, but in moderation. You know, even in the Bible is like, drink, but don't get drunk. There's a certain, like, level that you can do to, like, thin this veil. Because there is some, like, there's something that you can gleam from the other side of this veil and you can thin it a little bit with certain substances, mushrooms, alcohol.
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Sam Tripoli
Wasn't Stephen King a raging alcoholic? He says that all his.
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Top Lobster
The cokehead.
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Sam Tripoli
Oh, he's a cokehead. Okay. That his works all came to him in dreams. It goes to show you there's different ways to be. You could be inspired. You could be inspired to write about demons and drinking children.
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Top Lobster
Then that goes to. That goes to the MK Ultra idea, right? And a Lot of the study that we've been going through with Dr. Andrea Puharich and what he was doing, summoning the.
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Sam Tripoli
These.
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Top Lobster
Summoning the. The Council of Nine and his work, that will then translate into telepathy and MK Ultra that will be developed a couple of years after. So it's like. It's all very similar. It's all the same thing. Everybody has this idea of how to do it, but we don't. We can't really put our finger on exactly what it is. But I think the government might have.
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Sam Tripoli
I just want to go back something, though, before we dive into. If we're going in that direction, MK Ultra, CIA, things of that nature. But we were just talking about Jesse Ventura, and in very many ways, Jesse Ventura is why I was skeptical of the COVID era. Because back in 2009, I think it was on his show Conspiracy Theorists, he had a lady on. I forget what her name was, but she had fleed the country. She was a whistleblower. She came back to talk to Jesse Ventura. And the long and short of it, or the short of it, is that she believed they were using gain of function research to manufacture a virus that was going to be detrimental. But what was even worse than it was going to be our reaction to the virus and specifically the vaccination that followed. She said this back in 2009, and I never forgot that. And I just want to put this. We're talking about Rogan, how a narrative changes. Suddenly he doesn't believe that the moon landing was faked. This is, remember 2009, Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory. This is a show that never leaves me. It makes me skeptical of everything. It makes me skeptical of swine flu, H1N1, Zika, Ebola. Everything that happened, I was like, oh, this is it. They're gonna do the thing that, you know, it's crazy.
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Top Lobster
As I run this through Descript, I'm just thinking about. I'm like, there's not going to be any discernible words in this episode. It's gonna be great.
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Sam Tripoli
This is. I want to share this really quick. This is Boom. Share screen. This is Jesse Ventura. Let's see what date this is. August 30, 2021. And he says people say they don't trust the government, so they won't take the vaccine. Really? The vaccine was made in the private sector. The government is paying for you to get the shot for free, so everyone is protected. I urge people to get the vaccine. And you know how crazy that is to be hearing that from A guy whose show is the very reason I'm not going to go through with this lockdown. I mean, like, what do you think happened there, Ricky?
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Ricky Verandis
Well, it's funny you say this because, you know, I had a similar experience with Dennis McKenna, Terence's brother. He's been on a bunch. And I also had a similar experience. Well, and then Ventura is kind of very similar. And then also this doctor called Dr. Robert Lusting, who had, like, this viral, you know, lecture about the sugar industry and how it's like, really the leading cause of all our health issues and whatnot. He was in the documentary Sugar Coated. But. But similar stories where, like, I had Dennis McKenna on, right? We talked the first time he was on. We talked about plant medicines. We talked about his. That he was a part of this movie called Neurons to Nirvana. Great documentary, all about plant medicines. And I've been a huge fan of his. And he could see through the, you know, the big pharma, and he could see, you know, he understood why it was being suppressed. But then you got him. The second time he was on was, I think it was around Trump's first election. And he goes on this giant anti Trump, you know, rant, and I'm just like, oh, my God, like, not even psychedelics can get you to see through the propaganda. Like, he. He is talking about the left, like they're the saviors and Trump's the boogeyman. And I'm like, so even somebody like him has certain blinders. And Jesse Ventura was the same thing. It's like he hated Trump so much and was. And again, and they talked about how, like, when you're older in age and you're closer to the finish line than you are to starting point, like, your perspective on, you know, on the vaccine was slightly different because it's like the older you were, the more you wanted to believe that it would help because you're afraid of death, you know, and. And maybe you, when you get older, you required to have a little bit more faith in modern medicine and the medical system because you're just required to use it more often. So I think that was a little bit of the issue. But I remember having Sean Stone on because Sean was another one who's been on the show a bunch, and he, at the time, they used to do a show on RT called Watching the Hawks with Tyrell Ventura, this host, Tabitha. They've all been on my show because that, you know, that was a show I used to watch on a daily basis and on rt and Sean was on there too. And I'm like, hey, you're friends with all these guys. Like they've all been on my show. Like Tabitha, Tyrell and Jesse are all pro vaccine. Even though you guys have all been a part of some amazing work in the conspiracy world, like what the is going on. And, and Sean like, you know, he just, I, he kind of said that what I, I think expect him to say was, you know, he just for some reason. Well, I, I think a little bit it was fair. I think a little of it was like his dislike of Trump that it just happens to be one of those topics where he has blinders on there and there's a lot of people like that. You know, Dr. Robert Lusting he his books around here somewhere. But he, it's, you know, does amazing work on dietary, you know, helping your health the dietary way, you know. And, and I think the. Is it a case against sugar? I don't know, whatever. But he, he's done a lot of work on sugar and just how the sugar lobbyists have done a great job of giving you this propaganda. The fats and sodium and all these other things are bad for you when really the culprit is sugar. So we have this huge podcast talking about all, all this work, all this amazing research, the benefits of keto fasting, the benefits of eating whole foods, the benefits, you know, of all these things. How, how sugar is bad and how sugar industry has paid, you know, scientists and nutritionists to say that, you know, don't eat this, don't eat that, when really it's sugar. And then at the very end of the show, I don't know how it got brought up, but somebody brought up the COVID vaccine. And then next thing you know like he's going on this pro vaccine rant and I'm just like, like look, I'm like talking to him and I'm like how do you not see that the same money motives that are pushing this narrative are also pushing that narrative. And, and it's so, it just like over and over again. I, I find these examples of people that are so open minded with so many.
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Top Lobster
What did he say to it? What did he say when you, when you present them? That was there like a block.
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Ricky Verandis
Well, he just thinks that you know that vaccines have like vaccines for some reason is the one. And I always joke around about this. I'm like, do you think vaccines like so big pharma who has the biggest fines and in, in you know, in fine history and constantly gets caught lying about this?
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Sam Tripoli
I mean I think Pfizer paid the biggest criminal. Criminal settlement in history.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah, exactly. And, and the thing is also what they don't tell you is that the studies that they give to the FDA are created by the pharmaceutical companies who want to give you positive studies to get their stuff FDA approved. And any negative studies don't have to be shown ever. So that's why there's a huge percentage of drugs that get put on the market. So the FDA consider. They consider it FDA approved to be safe for the human consumption and for the public, and then eventually get taken off the market. There's. That's why you see these, these commercials for like, hey, have you taken this drug and had, you know, died, you know, a loved one who died? Like, call our law office. It's like, wait, I don't get it. Like, the whole point of having the fda, it's so this shit doesn't happen. It's so we don't become guinea pigs. And you're like, hey, try this. Hopefully it helps. And it doesn't kill anybody. And instead it does happen. So it's like, obviously the system's flawed. And that's one of the flaws in the system, is that the studies are created and manipulated by the pharmaceutical companies because they're not required to show you any studies that show you that their products unsafe. I mean, it's insane. When I had Dr. Peter McCullough on or Dr. Robert Malone, I had them both on before Rogan did and got, they got me banned. I kind of disappeared off the, the face of the earth for a little.
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Sam Tripoli
When Top was looking for you.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah, well, it just, you know, Zach Voris will talk about it. You know, the Google whistleblower he's been on too. And he, you know, once you get banned off one platform, all the algorithms, like, you're on this blacklist where all the algorithms, you know, work against you. And so, like, even think, you know, my own shows that I'll Google the look up. Like, it wouldn't come up. I would go be. I would have to go page after page after page to find my own shows, which previously I could just be like, hey, I did a show with Rob Wolf, Ripple Effect podcast, Rob Wolf. Oh, here's a show. I'll send it to a friend who was looking for it. Boom. And that's it. And. And then that wasn't happening. So it's like you get suppressed by, by everything. But Dr. Robert Malone, when he was on, he talked about how, like, even the world of patenting things and, and, and getting things Peer reviewed. He's like, it's all political. He's like, every university wants their name, you know, linked to this great research or this great finding. All these scientists and doctors want to be linked to this great fighting because it's like, it's their legacy. And he's like. And it all becomes political. And he's like, there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on like that where people just think, oh, it's just good moral people who are just trying to do good work. It's like, no, no, like if you have a study that's flawed but yet, you know, it can get peer reviewed or it can get published or it seems to be a great finding in the world of medicine, science, and I can get my name out there. Like, you're gonna do it, you know, and, and you're gonna ignore the fact.
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Sam Tripoli
That maybe like any other industry, it can get co opt. And, and that's what's really funny about it too is like, that's what's going on behind closed doors. Politics and infighting and, and all this, you know, kind of shady. And then they turn around to the public and they go, you're too stupid to understand this, so just trust us. Which is wild because even during COVID this notion popped up that they violated the Nuremberg code of ethics by rolling out this and, and trying to. Not to. Trying to compel you to take it. You know, they're pressuring you to take because it wasn't mandated. It was like, you know, it's not mandatory. You're not going to go to prison, but you might not be able to work again. You might not be able to fly or go to a restaurant or do any of these things that convenience you. And I wanted to know if that was true, but I'm not an expert. I'm retarded. So. But I go, you know what, dude, I'm still going to try. And I found where they did the research on the MRNA vaccine. It was in Princeton. Princeton has like a medical research wing. And I said, man, I sure don't understand what the study is saying because I'm retarded. But I remember from high school that most of the time there's going to be a conclusion paragraph at the very end of this whole thing that'll kind of wrap it up for you. So I go there and it says outright that due to the fact that there are no long term studies on this, because it's new, this would not be recommended for rollout. There's still a lot of research that needs to be done. And, you know, they told you what you found, but just that sentence alone, which was like one of the first two sentences of the conclusion, told you that this is experimental, thereby it's violating the, the Nuremberg Code of Ethics. In fact, I believe it's the, the very first code of ethics is you cannot compel or force or otherwise a populace to take an experimental medication. And this was experimental. Just by that. That's all it took. I, I didn't need to be an expert. I didn't need to be a genius. These people are telling us that we're all too. It's like keeping swiping the, the groceries at the grocery store, put them in the bag. Don't worry about that. That's. That's the, the height of the IQ that you're gonna be able to achieve is that thing. Or, you know, go push these cards or turn this wrench or do whatever. Don't worry. Leave the science, leave the medicine to the experts. And it's like, all you got to do is just look at it. And this is kind of laid out, you know, those papers from Princeton? One Google search away, I found the PDFs, and then, like I said, I just went to the very last one. It's not out of people's reach, but they've made us think that it is.
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Ricky Verandis
And then you had event 201, which happened right before, you know, Covid, where they literally, you know, recreated the COVID era scenario. Before the COVID era, you know, John Hopkins, the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, and the World Economic Forum were all part of it. I remember showing people that, that video, those videos during COVID and they're like, wait, wait, this. This was filmed before COVID Or like. Yeah. And then they couldn't believe that it was this exact scenario of what they were living. And. Yeah, and, you know, I always use the. Just. I simplify. I try to simplify things and reach like the normies, like, you know, the easiest way I can to kind of dumb it down. And I'm always like, okay, if I forced everybody to eat peanut butter, I'm like, peanut butter, I think most people would say is, well, at least until recently, would say that it's a pretty safe thing. Thing. Right. It's not something that's gonna harm most people. Right. But if I force it on everybody, somebody's gonna get allergic reaction, somebody's gonna die from it. It's good. So something as, as safe and food that they sell at grocery stores, that's you know, people use for sandwiches forever. If I forced everybody to eat this one thing, I'm like, there's gonna be some fatalities. But yet you think the COVID vaccine is safer than peanut butter because you think you can force everybody to. To. To take it. You're not going to have any. Any issues. And it's like, you can't give anybody or you can't give everybody any one thing and expect everybody to have the same outcome. I mean, there's people who are allergic to the weirdest of things. And so. And then the hep shot, right? That was another thing I'd always try to tell people. I'm like, why? It's. It's a sexually transmitted disease. You get it from, like, sharing needles. Why does a newborn need it? Like, what? So you're telling me that I have to wash my hands when I go to the hospital to touch a newborn because their immune system's so sensitive, but you're giving them a vaccine that they don't need without any, you know, logic behind it. Like, it just. I'm like, there's a motive. And the motive is money. And it. And if you can kind of crack their narrative of like, okay, well, if this is influenced by money, because that's the only explanation you could possibly have, because you could easily test the mother. You don't. You don't have to vaccinate the child. Why would they. You know, doesn't that make you think, like, maybe these other vaccines are also motivated by money? It's like, it's that simple. And it's like people just. But again, it's like anytime people start, like, connecting the dots, like, ah. And then the experts will be like, no, they're wrong. It's been debunked. And then you get these things like, oh, you know, autism. The vaccine linked to autism has been debunked. And I'm always like, how, how. Like when you have a parent and there's thousands of them, maybe even millions of them who say that their kids got vaccinated. And cognitively, they've see, you know, they see them struggle afterwards. Like, are you saying that they're crazy? There's. There's a great documentary called the Syndrome, and it's about. It's. It kind of highlights the experts. And what's this?
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Top Lobster
This is a new. This is from Robert F. Kennedy. And, you know, he found that. He also found the cure for antisemitism, which is a vaccine and then more vaccine. But apparently they're saying the rates have now gone from one in 36. That was the study two years ago that RFK cites. And it's now one in 30. One in two years in two years and one in 20 in boys. Which is.
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Sam Tripoli
Well, it's like when you're asking, it's like is this, is money the motive or is it eugenics? Is it, is it something beyond that?
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Top Lobster
Because, well, I mean, Ricky, we have, we've got a crazy ass theory that like.
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Sam Tripoli
Oh yeah, can I say it? I like, I like there's a, there's an inflammatory sentence that I like to say because it gets people going.
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Ricky Verandis
What?
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Sam Tripoli
And it's that I think that the vaccine schedule is an arm of the MK Ultra program. And that's, that's. I think that that's exactly what the fuck's going on here. Because we've gotten the same results from the MK Ultra program as we have from the, the vaccine or the vaccine schedule. And that is you end up with individuals who are subjected to it developing latent psychic abilities and disassociative identity disorders. And what we're seeing right now with the telepathy tapes is what made me think that because another thing pushed by.
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Top Lobster
Rogan at a certain time, which is.
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Sam Tripoli
Very interesting, that's why I kind of look at it.
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Ricky Verandis
He did have Ruber Sheldrick on years ago. I also have.
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Sam Tripoli
Did he really?
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah, so I, I had him on, but I, Yeah, but I mean he did have them on and he did highlight, you know, the morphic resonance study and talking about these things, I mean, without a doubt you guys are hitting on it. And I think it's so important to have shows like yours that will connect these dots because the truth is like, there's something going on that we don't understand. That reality as we know it is much more complex and there's much more deeper levels than we understand. And when you look at like a lot of things and you try to figure it out by like, okay, you look at Nikolai Tesla, he talks about how the universe, if you want to understand the universe, you have to understand vibration, energy and frequency. You look at like, you know, the pyramids possibly, you know, now they're talking about it possibly being a power plant. And, and that makes way more sense than you know, any other theory that they have. Like it being a tomb with no people in there, which is weird. And, and so, and you look at like all these, and then you look at like the fact that pyramids, similar pyramids were like created on different continents around the same period, but yet there's no way of traveling or, you know.
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Sam Tripoli
Separated by oceans and. Yeah, yeah.
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Ricky Verandis
You know, this idea of, you know, us all being connected consciously, like, it makes sense. And the morphic resonance study, you know, the. I mean, it was considered pseudoscience, but it's like, okay, we're not telling you we know what's going on. We just know it's going on. And so it's like we might not. Just because we don't understand the method or the how doesn't mean that we haven't proven that something is going on. And for people who aren't familiar with it, they. They would teach these mice or they put these mice in a maze. The mice would take a certain amount of time to learn the maze. Then mice who've never been exposed to those mice or that maze in a different location would learn the maze quicker.
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Sam Tripoli
And collective consciousness or something.
- [86:19]
Ricky Verandis
And, and you look at like, you know, have you guys, like, diving into. Dove into the, like, the water theories. And like, Tom Cowan actually does a pretty good job of also explaining it, like the water DNA thing and, and.
- [86:31]
Sam Tripoli
How that regards to, like, frequency and its effect on water and that too.
- [86:35]
Ricky Verandis
But also the fact that it might have some type of consciousness or some type. It's not just, you know, living waters. Yeah, well, so it's like, you know, they've done it with, like, how it crystallizes when listening to like, sad music or heavy music or whatever, and that changes. And so it's like in my. So this idea that, like, I mean, we're made of mostly water, right? Everything's made of water. Like, I think the. The importance of the sun and. And water are understated most of the time. I think it's like the, the, you know, the fundamental ingredients to human life and, and just. Or any life, really. And so this idea that, like, we could all be connected, it is just one huge consciousness and that we're all kind of sharing it or there's ways of. Of communicating. I mean, look at like, radio frequencies. Like, if I don't have an antenna, how would I know that if these frequencies exist right out? It would take a method of like, tapping into it. But it's there like. Or same thing with WI fi or whatever, right? Like, there's. There's things that are there that we can't see with our limited senses. So it's like there might be. We talked about psychedelics. You know, some people believe that's a way of tapping into it. Right? So it's like there's things about the world and the universe that we don't quite understand. That's why you can't. You can't look at, like, past writings or scriptures or whatever and just laugh at, like, some of the. The things that they say or their world views, because it's like there's pieces of evidence of how things really work in those, you know, old writings. And I think our ancestors and I think one of you guys talked about maybe it being suppressed. Like, you look at the Knights Templar, you look at, like, the Vatican church. You look at, you know, Freemasonry, Like. Like, is this information suppressed? You look at, you know, Nikolai Tesla, when he died in New York, they took all his. His papers.
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Sam Tripoli
Trump's uncle.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. I mean, look at the. The Nazi bell, you know, that whole conspiracy. I mean, there's. There look at people who've been curing cancer with the frequencies, right? So it's like if I sing the same frequency as. Like a glass, you know, a cup, any type of glass, if I. If I could hit that same frequency as that glass, it cracks. But nothing else in the room will. Will be harmed by it. Well, there's people who believe that you can find the frequency of the cancer cells. You hit that frequency, you'll kill the cancer cells and nothing else will be touched. It's. And there's people who. Who supposedly have done it. And so it's like there's all these. Because outside of computers, like, our technology hasn't advanced that much, right? When you look at our understanding of the world around us, that's why I think Terence Howard is so interesting, because I think when he talks about the flower of life, he talks about all these things. I'm like, the greatest discoveries are typically found by people who are looking at it from a different perspective, who are outside of those expertise. Because if I go to school for virology, right? Like, they're. They're like, these are the founding fathers of this. This world. This is. This is where you learn. This is how we see the world. This is how we. This is the way we believe things work. So, and then any new discoveries are based on those fundamental principles where if you get somebody completely outside the box, they're like, well, I haven't been brainwashed to believe these are the experts. And. And my. You know, my whole field of work has to be based on this initial work. Well, we need somebody to go like, well, what if those initial findings are wrong? What if their perspectives are wrong? What. You know, so I'm building my whole worldview. I always use the example of, like, it's like saying, hey, I'll let you build any type of house you want, but you got to use my foundation. Like, I'm gonna put. I'm gonna, you know, build this foundation in this shape. That's it. You can build up. You can do whatever you want from on top, but you have to start my foundation. And I think, like, sometimes we should say, well, let's blow up the foundation. The foundation. Let's start fresh. And, like, maybe this isn't the way we have to build a house. Maybe there's other ways of doing it. And those people usually come from outside those expertise. You know, you look at, like, it's.
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Sam Tripoli
The same thing as you're familiar with the fool and the. The king archetypes, right? It's like the fool, or, I'm sorry, the fool and the hero. So, like, the hero's journey starts with the main character as being the fool, which is to say lacking information to realize that the thing that he's going towards is lofty. Right? And so. But this person who lacks the information, lacks the context, doesn't even realize what they're stepping into, ends up conquering the day and returning back a hero. And it's like, yeah, the hero doesn't go to strenuous warrior camp and then gets taught by the experts how to be a warrior and how to go into the cave and how to slay the dragon. That hasn't worked. No one slayed the dragon. That's why it's still there. The warriors can't do it. So this is who ends up being able to do it. And it's because he sees something from a different angle that probably would have gotten squeezed out of him if he went to, you know, the warrior camp or warrior school.
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Top Lobster
It's.
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Sam Tripoli
It's very similar in that way.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. That's why somebody like a Tom Cowan, who is looking at. I mean, he. I remember Tom Cohen back in the day. He was. When I first started getting into his work, he. He popped up on Ben Greenfield podcast. And. And I love the fact that Ben Greenfield, somebody who knew way more about health and nutrition and this. These science research that he's talking about way more than me because I'm always like, okay, am I too dumb to know that he's bullshitting? So when he was on the Ben Greenfield show, I'm like, okay, well, Ben Greenfield will, like, kind of calm out if it doesn't make sense. And he would talk about how, like, simple things like just com. The way we look at something Like a fever, for example, right? How we have it all completely wrong. Like, we look at it as. It's a symptom that we need to deal with when what we should be doing is saying, hey, this is actually our body fighting what it. Like, what it needs to fight. And you suppressing the fever is actually hurting the process. And, you know, it's. It's. The fever's actually. It's like saying, like, hey, I got food poisoning. And, you know, like, I need to get this thing out of my body. And that's what my body's trying to do. It's trying to say, like, I. Like, I have this thing that I need to find a way out.
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Sam Tripoli
Right. So instead you're taking medicine to stop yourself from throwing up, and it's like, no, your body's trying to purge this thing. You can't have it in you. It's got to go. And you're like, oh, better take this medicine and stop that throwing up from happening.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. And. And actually, charcoal will actually help. Activated charcoal will help with food poisoning. It'll kill the, you know, the. The bacteria. But. But yeah, like, so all these things are like, just, you know, the way we look at it is all wrong. Like, most people look at, like, when they have a fever as, like, this is bad. I need to, like, get this fever down immediately. When really it's like, okay, if it's not at a really, you know, unsafe number, maybe just let your body do its work. Maybe it needs to sweat it out. Maybe it's trying to warm, you know, get hot enough to kill the viruses and. Because he, you know, that's why viruses stick around during the winter and everybody gets sick. And in the summer when the sun's out and every, you know, the temperature's higher, viruses can't live. So people don't get sick in the summer. Right. So it's, you know, it's same thing with, like, John Stockton talking about this chiropractor that was really influential on him. And, like, you know, instead of always, like, dealing with, like, the symptom, he was like, no, maybe, like, you're getting inflammation because your body's trying to bring extra blood there. Or like, all these just ways of looking at the body as, like, hey, your body's really smart. We've made it.
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Sam Tripoli
That's just doing random.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah, exactly. It's not a perfect way. Yeah, it's not just doing random. It's not like, you know, this symptom is only some random thing because my body's falling apart. It's like, no, it's, maybe it's your body trying to survive. Maybe it's. So there's some use in what it's doing. And instead of like suppressing the symptom, maybe we should, you know, reanalyze it and think like, okay, how can I help it with its efforts? Right. And you know, so it's, it's, it's all like. And again, this goes back to like outside of computers. Like our understanding of the world is still very, you know, just hasn't evolved that much. And, and yet anytime somebody goes against the grain, they get laughed at and they go, you know, Rupert Sheldrick, I remember when I had him on and you know, I went on his Wikipedia just to kind of, you know, see if I had, I could learn any new information about him. And they, the first thing I said was that he was pseudoscience.
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Sam Tripoli
And I'm just like broad pseudoscience. I, I love Rupert Sheldrake. I think his, his research is fascinating and he's a very respectable intellectual figure. He's, he's doing like these, these studies that he's doing, especially that one with the, the pets and knowing when you're coming home. And those are remarkable studies and they should be received by the scientific community with arms wide open. I mean, it's one of the most fascinating developments in the scientific community for the longest, for the past 100 years, you know, ever since it's been, you know, materialism has been thrust upon us and all of a sudden there's something here that doesn't fit that paradigm. You would think that they'd be interested if they're not interested in it. I don't know.
- [95:36]
Ricky Verandis
It's tapes. I mean, that's basically expands on his research. Yes. You know, when you look at these non verbal autistic kids who can, you know, guess things and, and guess what their parents are thinking and, and whatnot. I mean, what is that? Right? The average person would say like that there's no way you could prove it. And they didn't just prove it like the, the, I mean, I forget what percentage of accuracy they have, but it's like something insane.
- [96:02]
Sam Tripoli
It's like in one of the instances it was like 100% something really crazy. Like, like I, I forget whose parent and which student or which child that was, but yeah, really high, really high percentile.
- [96:13]
Ricky Verandis
What does that tell us? That tells us that like our understanding of things is like, like there's a lot more to discover. And, and again, and this goes into Is it being suppressed? Like, do they want us to not? I mean, Nikolai Tesla and his whole story about free energy, right? Like they suppress free energy. Can easily be done, right. I think zero gravity. All these researchers who, who have looked into all these, I mean, the water, you know, car, you know, that guy who, who ended up having a mysterious death. I mean, they used to suppress electric cars. Now they're like pushing electric cars. It's like, it's all about controlling the market, control, controlling the resources. It's not about truth, it's not about, you know, any of that stuff. And a lot of it is social control. It's the, you know, what do you make of it?
- [97:01]
Top Lobster
When, when this thing is now being presented? It's like not just being presented, but re presented to the public in a very meaningful way. The number one podcast in the world, dethroning Joe Rogan for a couple of weeks. What does that mean to us? Like, when I look at it, I go, yeah, that's always been there, but why now? And, and then I start to look at the angle that she's presenting it from. What's her name? Kai Dickens.
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Sam Tripoli
Kai Dickens, yeah.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. And I'm like, oh, it seems like one of these like 99 truths and a lie sort of thing. And the lie is like, it's hard, it's hard to exactly pinpoint where the lie is or what, what the lie is, but I, I gleam that the lie is we all need to aspire to, to be this way. Like, we all need to ascend. And this is the same lie that is. I, I, I saw on your, on your website there that you have a bunch of, a couple of like, you know, alien encounter or abduction or the alien narrative episodes up recently. And whenever we hear about this alien narrative or this ascended master that's visiting us, it's like they're constantly telling us the same message. Like, you have to ascend. We have to. Humanity has to evolve. A cataclysm, Something gonna kill you. And it's like the same shit from these non verbal autistic kids who are communicating with who knows what on the other side. And now it's presented to us in this weird new age fashion by some lesbian and I'm supposed to just be like, yeah, cool, totally cool. It's like, no, not cool. I don't trust a word you say. And you're saying it like truthfully, but you're like, you're cutting out a lot. There's a lot.
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Sam Tripoli
You've seen that, Ricky, have you seen that? That Cataclysm in your, whatever episodes you've done in the whole uap, UFO kind of a thing where like there's a coming. For example, we just talked to somebody, she's an abductee victim, and, and when we asked her what the message was, she specifically explicitly said polar shift. That's the message, is that a polar shift is coming. We have to avoid this calamity and we have to evolve. Have you seen a coming calamity thing in any of your research in the, specifically in the UFO arena?
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Ricky Verandis
Well, it's funny because I haven't done well recently. I had another guests back on and I've had a Ralph Blumenthal, he's a journalist who did that, that Tic Tac article that was on like the New York or Washington Post or whatever big publication that. The big article that kind of put it in the mainstream for the first time. He was the one of the writers and journalists that were, that put out that article and talked about the, you know, the, the whistleblowers and all that stuff. But he, he went into the rabbit hole because of John Mack, right? And John Mack is the Harvard. Are you guys familiar with John Mack? So this is John Mack's very fascinating because he was a Harvard psychologist, right, who studied nightmares and you know, night terrors with kids and all this stuff, right? And they were, they went to him because they're like, listen, there's all these people who are saying they have these interactions with, with aliens and whatever. Like we think that they're probably dreaming and it's psychological and it's made up or whatever. So John Mack is a Harvard psychologist, one of the most, you know, respected psychologists of his time, you know, author, best selling author on nightmares and all that stuff. He goes to start interviewing these people and little by little he's like, there's something going on here. So he goes from being a skeptic, going debunk it to becoming a believer. And he starts saying like, I don't know what's going on. But he's like, these are real experiences. And he's like. And you know, there's no denying that. And these people are like, this isn't just mentally made up. And so that like, I, I thought was a very fascinating aspect of the story because I'm like, okay, that's, that's fascinating. And you know, and then you look at like, you know, the, was it Rwanda that the school where all the kids.
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Sam Tripoli
Yeah, like 30 something people, including children and teachers too.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. And they all like had this Sense of like sadness and like, you know, so there's a lot of that, right? And like people who, who have these interactions and one, I mean they're communicating non verbally which is kind of goes. Hits on some of the other stuff we're talking about. So maybe there's a way of doing that that we haven't discovered yet. Maybe there's a way of doing it that, that that method is being suppressed from us. I mean, who knows?
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Sam Tripoli
That's what I think. I think it's more likely we have the ability, but it's been suppressed for a very long time. Look at this. This is, that's the drawing that the kids drew.
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Top Lobster
Dope drawing.
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Ricky Verandis
I mean it's pretty wild when you think about like they're adults. You can see interviews with them now and like they, I mean look at the Phoenix lights. Everybody's like every. I'm like literally all of Phoenix saw it. Took pictures of this thing that was completely silent, the size of a football field going over the whole city. And we're just like, yeah, no big deal.
- [102:13]
Sam Tripoli
The battle of LA was, was insane. That took place in like a matter of like three or four hours or something like that. In the real early hours of the morning. They're. They were shooting shells at them.
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Ricky Verandis
I mean, the Brazilian UFO crash, you know, where they, you know, they shut down a whole town and you know, the people who transport reported whatever thing was in there, you know, end up dying, you know, and it's like, you know, could be a. Radiation, could be. I mean you look at crop circles, right? There's. There's a lot of fake ones, but there's a lot of real ones that, you know, they mow it and then they come, the, the image is still there.
- [102:52]
Sam Tripoli
And then they talk to a guy that, that does them. He says the vast majority are done by people. And you think that like discredits it until he starts explaining why they do it. They're waking up at like 2am with this message in their head to go out into a field and make a specific design. Well, and then when they show up, other teams are there. Sometimes they also were woken up in the middle of the night to go do this.
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Top Lobster
Here's a crazy man. I, I told him, I was like, I said, so these, these markings that you're putting in the, in the grass. I was like, what do they look like? He's like, you know, often comes to me in a, like he, it's a muse. Like this idea where he's inspired and he'll Write it down. Then he'll gather his team and then they'll do it in a spot. Either a spot that he's predetermined, or sometimes they've just told him, go to this spot. This is where you should do it, whatever it is telling him. And I was like, I did a little trickery on him.
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Ricky Verandis
Little.
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Top Lobster
A little Jewish trickery on him. And I pulled up the. The keys of Solomon, some of the. The. The sigils that Solomon was using. And you know, like, it's a Kabbalistic teaching, but he's using these sigils to entrap demons, to erect his teeth temple. And I said, do any of these look familiar to something that you've put down or seen? And he's like, yeah, mate, that one right there is like the third one on the left. And I was like, that's interesting. That, like, that's the sigil of a demon. And he. But I think he even said, I gotta relin to that episode. He's like, but there was no circle around it. It was just like the sigil. Now the circle would mean that he. This demon is entrapped in the circle. Yeah.
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Ricky Verandis
If.
- [104:20]
Top Lobster
When you. When you summon a demon or an entity, you'd write their name and you'd put it in a circle.
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Sam Tripoli
That's why they put themselves. Either they put themselves in a ring of salt or they put the sigil in a ring of salt to entrap either themselves to protect themselves or to entrap the entity that they're summoning inside the.
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Top Lobster
And this. This guy is just got a download from out of nowhere to put this in a field with no. No ring. I'm like, okay, I don't know what's going. I don't know what you're telling me right now, but this is wild.
- [104:49]
Sam Tripoli
Yeah. Yeah, I just thought that was funny, though, because, like, people think that. Because according to this guy is mostly done by people that. That discredits it. But I'm like, no, something else is fascinating. Something is communicating with them telepathically. Ricky, we talked about it multiple times throughout this show. The muse is being inspired by your work. Where does that inspiration come from? Are your ideas your own? I don't think these fucking ideas belong to these people. They're just waking up in the middle of the night and deciding, I've got to go put a demon sigil in the middle of this field, because it's very important to me right now.
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Ricky Verandis
There's also. There's also videos of them being created and you'll see like these white things and then they're being created. There was a guy who actually took the image, made it 3D and thinks it's like some type of, some type of a tool or technology that. To communicate with other. You know, like, it's weird, but there's like all these. And then there's like people who go there and they'll tested for radiation. There's tons of like radiation where they're created. And you know, plants sometimes won't grow again in those areas and stuff like that. So I mean, it's just one of the many human mysteries. And so anytime somebody talks to you with like certainty, be skeptical.
- [106:04]
Sam Tripoli
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And one more thing. We're at the hour and 50 mark, we're bringing in for a landing, but I do have a kind of a philosophical question for you guys. And it might be a flop, you know, and that's. I've been known to do that.
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Top Lobster
Why are you gay?
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Sam Tripoli
Why are you gay? The, the question that I have is when it comes to, we've talked a lot of, you know, Jesse Ventura or, or let's say Joe Rogan is a great example, or any of these people who sort of, they were almost like champions of the public for. Or let's say even more specifically the conspiracy community. And what ends up happening is. And Alex Jones suffered the same fate. Eventually you get so big, people notice idiosyncrasies, things that aren't consistent with the message. Before you sold out, you got, you know, the Jews gave you shekels. And now. And we, we do that a lot. And in fact, I'm guilty of that, bitching and moaning about some other content creator and it's, it's off putting a little bit. And I, I ask myself pretty often, especially lately, it's like, think about this from a military standpoint, especially way back in the day before we had firearms and you would have multiple day wars against other giant bodies of military, and you'd have like one or two guys that were like, really the, you know, they're out there swinging broad swords, coming back with unbelievable body counts. The, the opposition is afraid of them. Their name travels far and wide. And, and you know, our military loves them, we celebrate them. And then one day, after decapitating thousands of philistines or whatever, they get up, they take an arrow to the knee, they don't swing the same again. They kind of fumble and they stumble and they make a bunch of wrong calls. And it becomes very clear that they no longer have what it Takes. But then, like, we kind of just barbecue those people. And I'm starting to wonder if there's something to letting a dude swing broadsword for a long time and then letting them sit the down and not calling him a for not doing it anymore. Am I maybe. Are we wrong in the times that we're trying to hold these people's feet to the fire? It's almost like some. Some especially some content creators, they become almost more obsessed taking down former heroes, former champions than they do with even looking into the information anymore.
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Top Lobster
It's. It's a. It's a weird game, right? Because in the ufc, when Michael Chandler comes to mind, a guy. I don't know if you guys watch the ufc, but he sat out for a couple years waiting for Conor McGregor, came get. Came back, got beat up by Patty Pimlet. And I'm like, I'm still not sure how good Patty Pimblett is, and I'm not sure how good he is and how much Michael Chandler has degraded, but look pretty good.
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Ricky Verandis
I will say I'm. I'm one of those guys. I was super skeptical of Patty, and I'm like, he looked really good, like, chin on him.
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Top Lobster
My thing with him is, like. I was like, he's.
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Ricky Verandis
He.
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Top Lobster
He moves back in a straight line with his chin straight up. And Chandler actually hit him. There's a. There's like a still frame of this guy's jaw just going to other side of his head. And it didn't even. You don't notice it in the fight because he didn't even really stun him. So I'm like, okay, he can do that for a little while. But the point is, is, like, in mma, when that person's time has come, like, BJ Penn. We knew when BJ Penn was done. We knew when, I don't know, like, Donaldson, when these guys are done, they get knocked out. And we're like, then somebody's got to tell them, like, yo, dog, Anthony Smith, like, you gotta stop because you're gonna get hurt in the. In the community of, like, content creation. When do you know when you're done? And I'm not saying, like, Alex. Alex Jones is done. No, he still has some in him. He's got. He's got a lot in him. It's like, but when do you know you're done? You're not getting knocked out necessarily, but.
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Sam Tripoli
Maybe is the better question, is there ever a point where your previous body of work is so considerable that, yeah, you're stumbling now, but, like, it's okay.
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Top Lobster
Dude, but look at. Look. How do we remember Chuck Liddell? Do you remember Chuck Liddell as a bad motherfucker? I remember.
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Sam Tripoli
Think about him now, with the pot belly and all that other stuff.
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Top Lobster
I remember him getting knocked out by Tito Ortiz. Like, it's. With the jab, it's like, for me, that's how I remember. I was like, man, maybe you should have stopped a while ago. But I don't know. Like, when do these people stop? When did they hang it up? That's a good question. Because there is this. There's always this one thing. There's that one thing that, like, the Jesse Ventura thing gets thrown at him. He's like, I can't see past this Trump thing, and he loses the plot. And I think Dave Smith's thing was Kanye west because it touched on, like, a little bit of the Jewish stuff. So that's personal. And he missed it. And I was like, that's a little bit of an arrow on Dave Smith. You missed that one. But I still, you know, I leave the door open for you, Dave. But once people get something, the vaccine with Jordan Peterson.
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Ricky Verandis
I took your damn shot.
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Top Lobster
Let me free.
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Sam Tripoli
Peterson's a real good question.
- [110:54]
Top Lobster
Dead, bro. You're done. Get out of here. Next. Next shooter. These. These ideas are really important. And for me, I'm like, when I look at them and they get these big things wrong, I'm like, maybe we have to cut this guy off. But that's a great question. I don't know when to not listen to these people, when to send them out to pasture, because they still have great ideas. They had great ideas. I don't know, dude.
- [111:14]
Sam Tripoli
And they paved the way.
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Top Lobster
My name is Top Lobster because of Jordan Peterson.
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Sam Tripoli
I wouldn't be sitting here without Joe Rogan.
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Top Lobster
What do you think, man?
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Ricky Verandis
Well, I think humans get things wrong. And I always try to sympathize with the fact that, like, if I went back and re. Listened, you know, tortured myself by relistening to all my past episodes, I'd probably find tons of stupid. I said, probably tons of ideas that weren't fully thought out. And. And, you know, if I had millions and millions of listeners who could cut all those in the snippets and expose me for being an idiot for, you know, like, maybe I. You know, the conversation would be like, hey, do we trust Ricky? He said this once, you know, and he said, you know, so it's like when it's hard because it's like. Like we talked about. We don't know when it's organic when it's just a organic involve, you know, you're evolving your ideas and as you consume information or maybe even things that are happening outside of podcasting, like in your personal life, discussions with close friends or other researchers or whatever, like, maybe you evolve or, you know, are you being influenced? You know, like, we just had a union of the unwanted Monday and. And Steve from am. Wake up. Like, we. We've had this debate about a billion times where he just goes, well, we were right. Wait before all them and them and. And, you know, like, you know, this guy and that guy. And like, you know, and I'm just like, okay, I get it. Like, you know, I. I get it. I, like, we'll pat ourselves on the back. You know, we were right. But it's like that. It doesn't mean that, like a Russell Brand or a who, you know, and to me, all the rape allegations only makes him more credible because it sounds like they're trying to, like, you know, basically paint. Paint him in a bad light. So, like, it doesn't mean that they couldn't have evolved. And if they're on our team for, you know, in certain topics, you know, and if you think like, hey, the. They got wrong. They, like, got wrong just because they. They just got it wrong. It wasn't because they were trying to be deceiving or lead you in the wrong direction, but maybe they just, you know, who knows what upbringing they had, what. Maybe didn't have enough people around them that they trusted or respected that, like, push back against some of their views. Maybe they had too many yes men around them. Maybe, you know, whatever it may be. So it's like, I always try to give people the benefit of doubt. I mean, a lot of, you know, we had examples like we talked about today. Dennis McKenna, Tyrell Ventura, Jesse Ventura. You know, so many people who have done some amazing work and then in other, you know, circumstances are completely wrong and they're completely, you know, and it's like, as. As humans, like, from our perspective, like, I'm always gonna like, hey, if most of the things they do are good, I'm going to still probably consume that stuff. And then when something comes up, that's like, if I just think it's a honest opinion, then I'll just be like, okay, that's just bullshit. I mean, once it gets to a point where I'm like, okay, now they're trying to, like, I feel like I'm trying to be tricked, or I feel like it's not sincere, or I Feel like they're pushing. You know, you get that car salesman feel where, like, you're just trying to sell me anything, you know, Then, you know, for your own incentives and for your. It's not that you really think this car is nice. It's not because you really would drive this thing. It's just, you want me to buy it. You're. And for your own financial incentive. Like, when I get that feeling, then I get worried. I mean, I think Jordan Peterson, he's had a lot of issues, you know, depression, anxiety. I think he has some psycho. There's a huge percentage of people who get in psychiatry and become psychologists because they're trying to deal with their own issues. I forget what the percentage is, but there's a huge percentage of psychologists that get into the field for the wrong reasons. They get into it not because they're trying to help others, but they're trying to find solutions to the. Their own, you know, emptiness and. And self doubt and whatnot. And so I think that could be a part of, you know, what happens with Jordan Peterson. Can he say some things that are profound at times? Yeah, but I mean, even when Jordan Peterson would talk at times, like, I'd be like, I don't know about this guy. You know, like, there's certain things that, like, he sounds smart, but, like, I'm dumb. So, like, you know, I don't. I've been around people who are smarter than me all the time. So, like, that doesn't impress me. Like, everybody sounds smarter than me. So it's like, you know, you sounding smart's not gonna. Like, I still look for the substance in it. Right? Like, you can. You can say, like, what are you actually saying? Let's like, okay, you're saying this, but it's not that profound. You just said it in a way that sounds poetic and sounds intelligent. So you make it sound more profound than really is. But do you really have some new interesting idea or theory or philosophy that you're sharing? No, you're not. You know, so, I mean, it's the same thing with, like. And Rogan's been. He's been tricked before. I mean, Stefan Mollyhue or whatever, however you say his name. Yes, he. You know, I remember Rogan having him on and, like, Rogan, like, thought he was such this, you know, super intelligent and, like, what? You know, and then later end up being like, yeah, he's kind of weird, or he was kind of like, you know, wasn't a huge fan of some of his ideas. I'm like, yeah, I'm like it. You know, some people can get tricked by what they're saying and. Or by not what they're saying, but how they're saying it. And to me, like, that's never worked on me. Like, when I. When I listen to somebody talk, it's like, okay, I'm not going to think you're right just because you found some really creative or artistic.
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Sam Tripoli
Or you have a British accent.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. You know. Yeah. You see it. It's funny because even in soccer in America, you see a lot of that where people will. A lot of soccer clubs will hire people with British accents or Latin accents, you know, Latin American, Argentinians, whatever, and they'll hire him as soccer coaches because parents will pay more because they think that they're better coaches because they have an accent. It's like, no, no, he's just saying the same thing that American coach said, only he has an accent. So you think it must be.
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Sam Tripoli
Yeah.
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Ricky Verandis
Deeper and understanding the game.
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Sam Tripoli
But that's the problem, right, Ricky? It's like, it's not these individuals. It's our perception of them. We keep elevating people to be something beyond what we are.
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Top Lobster
Me and David, they were like, Our wives are like, oh, we want to see, like, experience other cultures. And I'm like, other cultures?
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Sam Tripoli
No, I don't give a. About other cultures. I don't give a. About their accents, the food or the way they dress. I don't give a.
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Top Lobster
But, yeah, America's pretty cool. Like, let's.
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Sam Tripoli
If we. If we stop elevating these people to these positions and we realize that they're. They're no different than. Than us, it's the same thing as trust the experts. Right? There's no fucking experts. There's people who, you know, they're experts in their relative field, but even experts can be wrong. Stop elevating them to some position that exceeds just a normal human. And there is one difference between, like, me and, let's say, like. Like, even Alex Jones or Joe Rogan. I haven't been unfortunate enough yet to have been wrong on record for as much as they've been wrong on record. I mean, I'm wrong a lot, but I just don't have it recorded.
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Top Lobster
Just like, I don't. I don't want to keep you forever, Ricky. This is such a fun conversation. But so the thing with, like, all right, like, back to, like, Steve, I. I had failed Steve's purity test, like, back in my libertarian days, so he hated me, I guess for a while. He also hated. He Hated me enough to remember me. I didn't even remember him to then, like, trash us on tinfoil hat when he went on sometimes.
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Sam Tripoli
Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah.
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Top Lobster
He's like, called us feds. And I was like, maybe.
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Sam Tripoli
He said that we were controlled opportunists, not. Not controlled opposition. We saw an opportunity, somebody opened the door for us, and that's how we got.
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Top Lobster
So here's the thing. There are, like, small tests that you can fail. And apparently under his. I guess under his microscope, I failed the anarchism libertarian test, the purity test. But I did it on purpose because I studied it thoroughly and I realized it was gay and doesn't apply. It does not work. After Covet, I was like, this needs to be discarded or at least re examined, and we need to move in a different direction. So I did that. But there's big things. The COVID Covid and the COVID vaccine were those big things. If you failed that, I'm like, that. That is my delineating line where I'm like, you are safely discarded to the side here. You have failed the test. This was an easy test, too. Especially after, like, the first two months. Everybody kind of knew what was going on. You can see it. If you failed that, not only did you hurt people, but it's kind of like either you're doing it on purpose or you just didn't know. And if you didn't know, well, guess what, man, You. You can't have that kind of a platform. So I feel like, for me, it's like the. The bigger things. I can't, like, if we nitpick on these small things and just, like, start canceling people for little stuff.
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Sam Tripoli
Fighting in the nuance. Yeah, yeah.
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Top Lobster
It's like, like, what are we doing? What are we doing? But there are these huge moments that you'll see them when they come, and you're like, wow, I think Israel is becoming this other huge moment. Not yet, but it will be this one big dividing moment. That's how everything is pushing. And it'll be a point where you're like, all right, well, you'll either see the crimes that this government is committing, or you don't. And people will pick a side. And from that, you'll be able to just, okay, we can safely discard again. Jordan Peterson, Benjamin. It's kind of funny how they, like, align on the wrong side of all of these topics as well. So it's like those are the big moments where I don't, like, cancel culture, but it's like, gotta Cancel them.
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Sam Tripoli
I don't know if it means cancel them as much as, like, can we all just agree to stop at that?
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Top Lobster
Yeah. Just don't look at this like, they were wrong. They led you astray and almost meaningfully, like, on purposefully. So it's like, let's let these guys just go do what they're gonna do. But, like, hey, everybody, you saw that, right? Okay, good. Let's move forward, because we have other going on.
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Ricky Verandis
And the thing is, you know, and. And I. I agree with that. I mean, but the problem is, like, when it goes too far, we're like, you know, and again, and I. I love Steve, and. But he gets on these rants and saying, you know, Whitney Webb. Whitney Webb has been. She's been on my show forever. I mean, before she was a household name, she was on. When she was working at Mint Press. And, you know, it's like, there's. I think they're so skeptical of everything that even when you get somebody who's kind of on your team. Right. Like, they have a hard time accepting they're on their team. Right. And. And I think in some cases, like, you're right, like Jordan Peterson, like, he got it wrong, and maybe it's a reflection of his character. And you're like, now, I don't know if I can trust you because, like, I don't know if you can be. If you're going to be tricked again, you're going to be spewing something that you're uncertain of or whatever. But I also think, like, hey, we can't demonize everybody because Steve. Same thing. Like, he has the. This, like a checklist of, like, okay, if you get this wrong or if you don't agree with him on this one, that's the thing. Crazy. But there's infighting and everything. Like the 911 community. Oh, if we disagree on if a plan. I've had Ryan Dawson on my show. I've had, you know, I've had plenty of people on my show that, like, you know, will just. On other researchers. I mean, you know, how many people on my show. And I think, you know, he's one of the. The gold standards of research. He's not perfect by any stretch, and he'll never admit it, say that he is. But James Corbett. And there's. I've had plenty of people that will call out James Corbett's work. And I'm like. I'm like, really? You know, like, this is what you're gonna waste your energy on, is somebody who's Given us so much good work. But because you don't agree with him on this one, you know, maybe a JFK assassination specific topic or something about 911 or whatever or you know, you, oh, he's not focusing enough on this. Or he's, I mean Alex Jones got some of that. I mean he was like, well, he's not focusing enough on, on Israel, you know, and, and then he would have somebody, I forget who it was. Is this Stu Peters or whoever it was that was, had a debate with him on the topic and I'm like, well look, he's obviously willing to have somebody on to discuss it and push back against it, you know, which is the complete off opposite of what Robert Kenny Jr. Is doing. I mean, Robert Kennedy Jr. I mean he must have like tons of blackmail on him because you know, the, the, the, the fact that he is so like he won't even, he won't even show you any signs of him agreeing with anybody else like that, you know, on this issue, like he won't even like be like, yeah, maybe you're right. Like he doesn't even like. But yet on, on all the other issues he's open minded and he's willing to discuss different perspectives and he doesn't get defensive and he doesn't get, you know, emotional and he doesn't seem to, to get worked up or whatever. He, he seems to be logical and this. So it's like, it's something really fishy about that. But yeah, I mean, I think the alternative media community, like we, we do spend too much time sometimes attacking ourselves and it's like, okay, well they're not the bad guys. Like you could either spend time like, because if you think they're a bad person, that's different. Right? Like if you think like they're purposely trying to, you know, I had people.
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Top Lobster
That person for sure. But I'm not lying. Yeah, I'm not lying to you guys. Yeah.
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Sam Tripoli
What I don't understand is how come there's not room for this. Like, all right, like you mentioned Alex Jones. I think Alex Jones is highly likely to have been co opted by somebody. You know, they beat him down to death with the Sandy Hook thing. You think he doesn't have a handler? I wouldn't be surprised if he did if it came out right now that he had a handler. He was co opted for years and he's been pushing a narrative. I'd go, makes sense. Not surprised. But I love Alex Jones. I would love to hang out with Alex Jones. I would love to have A beer with Alex Jones. I'd love to be at a barbecue with Alex Jones. Like, what I don't understand is why does it. Okay, Thomas, the paranoid American awesome guy, host of Reality Czars, and, you know, he does a bunch of comic stuff. He is a freemason, among many things. And I don't agree with every take that he has. And I probably. I think, like, hey, probably not good to be a freemason. But I love Thomas. He's a great dude. He's a lot of fun. I'll always do. Why the is that not prevalent in this community? It's like, why does somebody have to get a take wrong and then become the enemy? That's insane. That's insane. Because if you hold me to that standard, I'm gonna have nothing but enemies. I'm wrong all the time. So I. I just don't understand.
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Ricky Verandis
It becomes counterproductive because the way I look at, it's like, okay, if we have different theories on something, but we're both on the path of trying to expose the same thing. We're trying to find truth. We're trying to expose the elite. We're trying to expose the controllers of the world. We're trying to expose the real corruption and conspiracies of the world. Maybe we come up with different theories. Maybe we have different opinions on how to go about that. But if we're like, the way I look at, like, we're still on the same team, right? So it's like to. To me and, you know, Alex Jones is a perfect example. You're right. I mean, if. If something came out that said, hey, like, he was being influenced this whole time, you'd be like, okay, that's not out of the realm of possibility. I mean, when you're in our world, like, is there anything out of the realm of possibility? We've uncovered so many different things. But I also think, like, hey, he also exposed. I mean, 911 in the road to Tyranny. You hear so many people reference that. That. That documentary. He. He was at Waco. You can find videos of him at Waco protesting. You know, like, this dude is like, he's been on the front line since the beginning. And, you know, and does he get wrong? Yeah. Is he a flawed human being? Obviously. I mean, he was an alcoholic for a while. He was like, you know, he loses his mind on the air all the time. You know, it's like he. And. But if we were, you know, balls deep into these subjects for this many years, and a lot of times, Doing a radio show on our own where we're just kind of in an echo chamber talking to ourselves. Like, yeah, we probably have a couple minutes of, you know, insanity from time to time. And so it's like I give him the. The, you know, a little room for it. But when people are like, he's. He's a piece of crap, he's doing this. He's. I'm like, okay, yeah, he's. He's gotten some things wrong, but I'm like, he's also gotten some things right. And yes, there's some. You're hoping that there's people get exposed to. Maybe there's going to be some people who get exposed to the wrong things, but they also get exposed to the right things. And then that will lead them down their own path of researching and, you know, getting.
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Sam Tripoli
By the way, Ricky, you know what their problem is? It's not Alex Jones. It's that they're following a man. You're putting all your stock and all your faith and all your energy in. Into one talking head. And so when that person deviates from what you believe, when they, you know, it's ground, it's earth shattering. It falls.
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Top Lobster
I'm waiting for me, like, for the thing that I'm gonna be devastatingly wrong about.
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Sam Tripoli
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Because it's gonna be that one thing. And I'm always looking, I'm like, what am I gonna be wrong about, man? It's like something's gonna sneak up on me and I'll. It'll cater to my bias, whatever that is. I try to check it all the time, but it's happening. It's on its way.
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Ricky Verandis
Okay, but we're all.
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Sam Tripoli
We.
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Ricky Verandis
But, but the thing is, I. I guess the one of my points is like, but that's okay. Like, we shouldn't fear that because it's like, as long as I'm honestly. Because I'm gonna get shit wrong, you guys are gonna get shit. Like, we all get shit wrong. Like, but it's like, what's our purpose? Like, what was our incentive? Like, what was our motivation? Like, are we trying to find truth? Are we trying to find information that's interesting? Are we trying to connect the dots? Are we trying to gather all these puzzle pieces to have a better understanding of ourselves and the world around us? Like, if that's our honest interest and what we're honestly trying to do, then in the process of doing that, if we get some wrong, like, guess what? Like, we're not going to be that hard on ourselves and our listeners. And our friends and our family's not gonna be that hard because they know that we weren't trying to lie. We just got something wrong. You know, Are you trying to pursue.
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Sam Tripoli
The truth or were you trying to make a coin and rug pull people?
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Ricky Verandis
Right?
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Sam Tripoli
Like, is that what you were doing, Ricky? It's. It's clear that you've been co opted by the Jews. It's clear that your pockets are full of shekels. Clear that you're running defense for Joe Rogan and Alex Jones and all these people.
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Top Lobster
Can you tell Steve that I like him? Even I. I think he. He would love to see me dead. But I like Steve. I like, I think I'd like to have him on the show and tell.
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Sam Tripoli
Him too, that we're. We're. If. If his definition of controlled opportunist is that somebody paid us, he's devastatingly wrong. And I wish he were right.
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Ricky Verandis
I am already like, so Monday's show, I haven't uploaded the audio. It'll be up today. Been kind of busy couple days since the. The show, but I'm already like, I can foresee the negative comments because he just goes on like these rants of like, just being mad at everybody who's, like, kind of on our team and just like, mad at this guy because he got that wrong and mad at that, you know, And I'm just like, yeah. And I'm just like, okay, Steve, I get it. But like, can we just talk about, you know, he still. And again, I don't know where you guys stand on this issue, but he. Right after the attempted Trump assassination, he was quickly saying it was theater. It was, you know, it was completely theater. It was fan.
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Sam Tripoli
He would like us. Dude, are you kidding?
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Top Lobster
We went on Tinfoil Hat saying that, like, we were the first people saying.
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Sam Tripoli
That, like two days after the event happened.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
And Sam was like, I don't know if. I don't know if you guys just say this. He didn't even want to put it on Tinfoil Hat. He put it on Dangerous. Dangerous, whatever the. Because he has a thousand shows. And he was like, I'll put it on Tinfoil half fine. But he's like, people are gonna be upset. I was like, yeah, I don't. I don't know if they shot at this guy. It did. It just didn't look like it.
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Sam Tripoli
I know a guy died in the audience. I know. I know that there's a ritual about getting blood on your ear and blood on your right hand and blood on your right foot and for some reason, his shoe was off. And the whole thing was very strange. But what you've just said here to me is that Steve would love us.
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Top Lobster
Yeah.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. I mean, you guys, you guys are. But. But that's the thing. It's like. And so if you're. You agree on one issue, but then if he finds a other issue that you disagree on, then all of a sudden it's like, I, again, it just. To me, it becomes counterproductive. And I don't, like, I'm always uncomfortable when people are on the show bashing other researchers. I've had people, and I, And I know these people. I mean, James Corbett is. He came on my show when I had. He had zero reason to come on my show. I had nobody listening. And he was my first guest. Jason Burmes. Same thing. And it's like, people will try to convince me that these are like bad people who are trying to manipulate their. Their followers and listeners. And. And I'm like, no, I know these people personally. I've had tons of conversations. Like, they're. If they got something wrong, they sincerely just got it wrong. They're not.
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Sam Tripoli
That's what keeps happening. It's like, the more we do this, the more people I meet that I'm like, I only knew them because I would absorb their content. And then when I meet them, I'm like, you're just a regular dude. Yeah, you're just a regular dude.
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Top Lobster
Your brain works barely better than mine. Very suspicious of Luke Rutkowski. Still suspicious. Then we went on a show, like two times. I don't remember. I was like, I like this guy. He's got this weird thing about him. It's just a bit. It. That's the thing. You meet.
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Sam Tripoli
We're all weird, right? That's why we're here. We're all broken weirdos, man.
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Ricky Verandis
Well, isn't that. I mean, that's such a really good point. Like, if you're in our world of alternative media, like, you're like, there's something like, you're like, oh, there's something weird about them. I'm like, yeah, that's why he didn't get tricked, because he.
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Top Lobster
Do you want to know how weird it is? My. My mother in law, we got to end that.
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Ricky Verandis
But.
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Top Lobster
So I'm so sorry we're keeping you for my mother in law walks into my office here, and she looks and she goes, oh, what's that? Because it's like a camera pointed at the corner of a wall with lights and a big light here and there's computers, and I'm just like, don't even worry about it.
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Sam Tripoli
Just don't even worry about it.
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Top Lobster
You're vaccinated. You wouldn't even. You wouldn't get it. Let's just keep this moving, man.
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Sam Tripoli
Yeah. Yeah.
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Top Lobster
We're weird. We're weird people. Oh, Dave, before we end. Before we end, one more thing that Steve will be pissed off about. About us.
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Sam Tripoli
Oh, yes.
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Top Lobster
That we are doing a festival that's going to be better than his. Bohemian Grove. We have just secured Sam Tripley. We have secured Shane Cashman to narrate the entire thing. He's going to narrate it your entire life.
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Sam Tripoli
No mc, I think, is the word you're looking for.
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Top Lobster
And last night, out of nowhere, we pulled off Owen Benjamin, which is could be a conflict of interest. I know that Owen Benjamin and Sam are not seeing eye to eye, but.
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Sam Tripoli
We'Re bringing their best friends. They are best friends. And you know the way best friends sometimes get a little, you know, extra stupid with each other. They're best friends. They're practically brothers, and we want them to. To show that brotherly love at our event.
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Top Lobster
This is all going to be happening, and more details will come, but it's going to be so. It's like, I'm, I'm so excited. I hope Sam doesn't get mad about it, but, like, Owen volunteered yesterday. He was like, yeah, I want to do this. And I'm like, when Owen says wants to do this, I'm like, all right.
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Sam Tripoli
What are we supposed to say? No.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. Like, no, you can't. They're gonna make up. They're gonna. I'm gonna print out a one big T shirt for them. They're gonna wear it. It's gonna be beautiful. We're gonna get along.
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Sam Tripoli
They're gonna wear it together, and we're.
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Top Lobster
Gonna bring this comedy, the comedy conspiracy community together. And then Steve. Steve pin.
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Sam Tripoli
Pronounce that.
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Top Lobster
I don't know. Is that how you say it?
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Ricky Verandis
No, I, I think so. I, I, I've struggled to say his name, too, but.
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Top Lobster
You're next, brother. Coming for you. We're gonna be friends. We're gonna wear a T shirt or something.
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Sam Tripoli
You're gonna like us, Steve.
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Ricky Verandis
All right?
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Sam Tripoli
You're gonna like us. And if you want to call us controlled opportunist, what do I care? Yeah, sure.
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Ricky Verandis
Yeah. Well, I think a lot of people that have been censored have been like a little butter, you know? Like, I, Yeah, I get it.
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Sam Tripoli
You know who I see doing that? I know we're supposed to end this show. David Icke. David. Ike is doing a whole lot of complaining.
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Top Lobster
Ryan Dawson wants to fight me, and it's like, ryan, Ryan, we've been. I've been on. I've spoken to you a number of times. Like, we. But it's just like, they get canceled, and then everyone's against them. And I'm like, I get it. I haven't been canceled. And maybe you're mad about that, but I'm like, dog, thank you for being canceled and then coming back because you took those arrows. Owen Benjamin, same thing. Canceled. Came back. You took those arrows. So now we could not get canceled and then build off of what you're doing. But there's a psychological toll, I think. Ricky.
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Sam Tripoli
It's hard to get canceled for conspiracy and then watch conspiracy blow up.
- [135:14]
Ricky Verandis
Yeah, no, I get. I mean, I got kicked off YouTube right after having Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Robert Malone, and those shows were, like, just blown up on YouTube. Got kicked off YouTube, and then Rogan has them on, and everybody's talking about those episodes. I'm like, you, mother. I'm like, I had them on first, and I've could. Like, everybody could have been taught. And, you know, but I'm like, instead of being mad, you know what I did, I'm like, I'm so happy that Rogan has finally had him on, and he's going to help change this narrative and, you know, expose way more people than I could ever imagine exposing to that information. Because if that's your goal, if that's what really motivates you, that's the most important part. Like, who cares if I don't get the clicks? Like, that's why I always love James Corbin. James Corbett's like, hey, you want to post my. On your website? Go ahead. You want to post on your YouTube channel? Go ahead. I don't care. It's all open source. I just want to get the information out there. And I'm like. I love that. I'm like that. It shows you what's really motivating them. And. And, you know, and unfortunately, people don't care about that. They're just like, well, you know, I'm getting shadow banned, and this person's getting all these clicks. It must be because of this or that. I'm like, you know, I've heard people, you know, Steve being one of them, like, oh, this person doesn't call me back anymore. And I'm like, did you talk about him? Like, what do you like, exactly? You know, I'm like, so it's just like you don't. I don't burn any bridges. I try to be nice to everybody. If you seem like a sincere person, we can disagree. I've. I've had Professor Richard Wolf on my show, who's a, you know, the leading scholar in Marxism and Karl Marx and his whole history and biography. So it's like, yeah, I'll explore anything and I'm willing to go down any rabbit hole. And if you seem like we might disagree on. On things, but if, like you, we disagree just because we have different worldviews and not because you're trying to trick people, then I'm okay with that. Disagreeing is fun. You should have your ideas challenged.
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Sam Tripoli
That's it. Or you could just hang around with people who think all the same that you do. And that's golden echo.
- [137:05]
Top Lobster
That's called the Libertarian Party. Ricky, thank you for wasting your time with us, man. This is fun. We should. Yeah, but we have to end it. That's all. Good things. Tell them one more time where they can find you. I want them to go to your website and all that. Whoever doesn't know you for whatever reason.
- [137:27]
Ricky Verandis
Weirdly enough, I. And I've told a story on a couple podcasts ago, on my podcast, but I got reinstated on YouTube out of nowhere.
- [137:35]
Top Lobster
Yeah.
- [137:36]
Ricky Verandis
Which is weird because all my archives are there and the Dr. Peter McCullough show and the Dr. Robert Malone shows there, which is weird. And I, I did just get a strike for episode talking about silver as a remedy, a natural, which is weird of all things. So it makes you wonder, like, what are they censoring? Why we got popped for?
- [137:57]
Sam Tripoli
What kind of water? Was it mineral? No, not mineral water.
- [138:02]
Top Lobster
Oxygenated. I don't remember. Some kind of water. We had an episode called the Final Solution with this guy Dustin Nemos, where he's basically like, yo, Jews are Nephilim are dead demons and Jews are just dead Nephilim. And I'm like, no, he said.
- [138:17]
Sam Tripoli
He said demons are dead Jews. That's what he said.
- [138:19]
Top Lobster
Oh, right. That's what he said.
- [138:20]
Sam Tripoli
The best and funniest line I've ever heard.
- [138:22]
Top Lobster
It lived on YouTube, but we talked about structured water.
- [138:25]
Sam Tripoli
Oh, alkaline water.
- [138:26]
Top Lobster
That's alkaline water.
- [138:27]
Ricky Verandis
Yeah.
- [138:27]
Top Lobster
Step too far. Step too far with alkaline water. Anyway, this is your. This is the Ripple Effect podcast.
- [138:35]
Ricky Verandis
Yeah, that's the. So I have a clips channel which I, you know, I, I basically, you know, started to try to have some type of footprint on YouTube. And so I Just put, like, stuff that was kind of safe for YouTube, little clips. But, yeah, my. My old channel, they gave me a back, and we're slowly uploading all my archives. And, yeah, they definitely didn't give me all my subscribers back, but I was. I was actually kind of surprised that so many were still subscribed to the channel that didn't exist. That was kind of weird. So. And I was also kind of surprised that they literally have been holding on to everything since 2021. So they don't just, you know, delete everything. They're literally holding on to all my past archives, everything from, you know, episode one to episode whatever. It was like, four something when it got deleted. So it was. Yeah. Kind of. Kind of weird that they're holding on to everything, but. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [139:34]
Top Lobster
We hate that guy.
- [139:35]
Sam Tripoli
All.
- [139:37]
Top Lobster
I'm joking.
- [139:39]
Ricky Verandis
Underneath that, you see Adam Green. He's. He's also another one who can be a little controversial.
- [139:44]
Top Lobster
Oh, yeah, we don't talk to Adam. He's not nice to us.
- [139:46]
Sam Tripoli
He used to like me, and then he stopped following me. I don't know why.
- [139:50]
Ricky Verandis
But, yeah, he. Well, he's another one who kind of, like, sometimes does get in that, like, seems to, like, critique other people's work. Who.
- [139:57]
Sam Tripoli
We're all paranoid. Conspiracy. Paranoid schizophrenics. So. So everybody. We're paranoid about everybody.
- [140:04]
Top Lobster
It's.
- [140:04]
Sam Tripoli
It makes sense.
- [140:05]
Ricky Verandis
Yeah. Yeah. And so it. Yeah. So you'll find all those links at the. The rippleffectpodcast.com or rickyvrantis.com they'll all take you to the same place. You can also find the union of The Unwanted on YouTube for the time being. So right now, both shows are on YouTube for the time being. Best place is probably on our websites or on Rumble, because I think Rumble, you know, for the most part, aren't really censoring the type of stuff we're talking about. So do that. And then the audio, obviously, is available anywhere you can get audio podcasts, so. But I can't thank you guys enough for having me. This was a really fun discussion. Hopefully we do it again in the near future.
- [140:41]
Sam Tripoli
Holy. He wants to do it again. I was 100% like, this dude's never gonna come out.
- [140:45]
Top Lobster
What an idiot.
- [140:47]
Sam Tripoli
Thank you for your time, brother. It was a great conversation. You typically don't go over two hours, so that tells you something.
- [140:53]
Top Lobster
All right, guys, until next time, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. We'll see you later.
- [140:58]
Ricky Verandis
The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade this that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see regardless, because they'll act in the face of an explanation that.
- [141:19]
Sam Tripoli
Portrays the bigger picture of what's happening.
- [141:22]
Ricky Verandis
And they have.