165: Waco, MKUltra & Media Fakery w/ Austin Picard

Summary

Podcast Summary: Nephilim Death Squad | Episode 165: Waco, MKUltra & Media Fakery w/ Austin Picard

Release Date: May 15, 2025
Host/Author: TopLobsta Productions

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Introduction

In Episode 165 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts TopLobsta and Raven delve deep into the murky waters of governmental conspiracies, media manipulation, and historical events viewed through a biblical lens. Joining them is special guest Austin Picard, known for his work on the Underclass Podcast, who brings insights into the interplay between occult practices, intelligence operations, and societal control mechanisms.

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Main Discussions

Media Manipulation and Power Vacuums

The conversation kicks off with David Lee Corbo expressing skepticism about the authenticity of established media:

David Lee Corbo [00:51]: "We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people."

Top Lobster echoes these sentiments, highlighting the diminishing role of legacy media and the rise of alternative platforms that may be co-opted by established powers.

Top Lobster [09:39]: "The death of the mainstream media leaves a vacuum where new established media emerge, often lacking authenticity and professionalism."

Government Control and Psychological Warfare

Austin Picard introduces his perspective on how modern intelligence operations intertwine with occult practices to manipulate public perception and control populations.

Austin Picard [04:30]: "I find myself at the intersection where the occult meets organized crime syndicates that run hand in hand with the intelligence apparatus, utilizing plausible deniability cutouts like cult organizations."

The hosts discuss the increasing visibility of their podcast, leading to speculation about their affiliations with government operations, reflecting broader concerns about surveillance and control in the digital age.

David Lee Corbo [09:40]: "People are speculating we're part of some sort of controlled ops. It speaks to the fact that we're overwhelming enough to be suspected as ops."

The Waco Siege: A Conspiracy Perspective

A significant portion of the episode is devoted to analyzing the Waco Siege of 1993, challenging the conventional narrative and proposing alternative explanations involving CIA mind control and sleeper agents.

Austin Picard provides a detailed account, linking the Waco events to other historical incidents like Ruby Ridge and the Oklahoma City Bombing, suggesting a pattern of orchestrated government actions to instill fear and pass totalitarian legislation.

Austin Picard [32:25]: "The Waco Siege was a major center for CIA mind control experimentation, utilizing MKUltra techniques at the Leadership Management Institute."

The discussion identifies troubling connections, such as the involvement of former Clinton campaign bodyguards in the initial raid, raising questions about the true motives behind the government's actions.

Austin Picard [42:33]: "Three of the four ATF agents killed were former Clinton bodyguards from the 92 election campaign."

Occult Influences and Modern Mind Control

The conversation shifts to the role of occult practices in shaping modern intelligence strategies. Austin Picard links various figures and organizations to occult rituals and mind control programs, suggesting that these hidden practices are foundational to contemporary methods of psychological manipulation.

Austin Picard [62:34]: "There is a specific calculation to hack the human mind, perfected to a science, now expanding nationwide and worldwide."

David Lee Corbo and Top Lobster further this narrative by connecting historical occult figures to current conspiracies, emphasizing the seamless integration of these practices into societal control mechanisms.

David Lee Corbo [61:03]: "We're dancing all over Austin's research and he’s like, how?"

Resilience and Counter-Movements

Despite the grim outlook, Austin Picard and the hosts express optimism about exposing these hidden manipulations. They advocate for cultivating resilience through knowledge, ethical principles, and community support to counteract the overwhelming influence of established powers.

Austin Picard [08:38]: "By surrounding ourselves with good people, like-minded individuals who have ethical principles, we can navigate these waters effectively."

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Notable Quotes

• David Lee Corbo [00:51]: "We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers."
• Austin Picard [04:30]: "I find myself at the intersection where the occult meets organized crime syndicates that run hand in hand with the intelligence apparatus."
• David Lee Corbo [09:40]: "People are speculating we're part of some sort of controlled ops."
• Austin Picard [32:25]: "The Waco Siege was a major center for CIA mind control experimentation, utilizing MKUltra techniques at the Leadership Management Institute."
• Austin Picard [62:34]: "There is a specific calculation to hack the human mind, perfected to a science, now expanding nationwide and worldwide."

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Conclusion

Episode 165 of Nephilim Death Squad offers a thought-provoking exploration of historical events and their potential manipulation by covert operations intertwined with occult practices. Through the expertise of Austin Picard and the incisive commentary of the hosts, listeners are encouraged to question mainstream narratives and seek deeper truths behind significant societal events. The episode serves as a call to awareness and resilience in the face of pervasive control mechanisms.

For those interested in further discussions and live interactions, supporting the podcast on Patreon is encouraged, offering exclusive content and early access to episodes.

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Note: The transcript contains offensive language and conspiracy theories. This summary aims to present the content objectively while adhering to OpenAI's content policies.

Transcript

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Sam Tripoli]

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[Top Lobster]

Top Lobster Productions.

[David Lee Corbo]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim shit.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's like we all know what's going down but no one's saying what happens to the home of the brave. They control us now when no one's talking about how they made us want to be slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the clowns won't awaken to a dead in the grave. But then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up.

[Sam Tripoli]

Welcome to the end of day.

[David Lee Corbo]

Everybody is slave.

[Austin Picard]

Only some are aware that the government.

[David Lee Corbo]

Releasing poison in the air. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.

[Top Lobster]

I was watching you for a second and you kind of like, you got stuck. I was like, is he just gonna sit there looking smug or is he gonna.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I don't know why. You know why? Sometimes I feel like the front of what I say gets cut off, like after the intro and then when I start speaking. So I got to give room for it to transition, you know, over into whatever's had. This is all.

[Top Lobster]

Join the patreon.

[David Lee Corbo]

Do that patreon.com forward/backslash Nephilim Death Squad. You can enjoy this episode once it goes behind the paywall at the half an hour mark. And you could also engage in the live chat, enjoy an ad free experience and gain early access to the episode before the general public. You can do that all on patreon.com backslash forward/, side slash, upside down slash. Nephilim Death Squad. Also, guys, before we get into today's guest, we're gonna play our promo for Bohemian Girls because. What?

[Top Lobster]

Okay, fine. All right. We'll do it before the guest. Sorry, hang out.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I want to do it before the guests. I want to just sit here and watch a promo for two minutes. Is that okay? Can I do that?

[Top Lobster]

Geez.

[Austin Picard]

Fine. Very rude.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm going to press play on it. Here we go. Somewhere between Area 51, Comedy Central, and a really intense episode of Ancient Aliens, there exists a place.

[Top Lobster]

I don't even. I don't like this. Welcome to Bohemian Grove. June 20th to 21st. The Tropic Leesburg, Florida.

[David Lee Corbo]

Featuring performances from Tower Gang, Nephilim Death.

[Top Lobster]

Squad, the Bard of Banned Speech, Owen Benjamin Stam, Tripoli, posted by the cosmic cowboy of consciousness himself, Shane Cashman.

[David Lee Corbo]

You'll experience live podcasts, wild performances, and.

[Top Lobster]

The kind of conversation that'll get your group chats, that will get your group chats flagged by the nsa.

[David Lee Corbo]

God damn it. Day two isn't just off the rails. There are no rails. Yeah, that is gay, right?

[Top Lobster]

It's unfiltered, uncensored, and quite possibly a psyop, but a really fun one.

[David Lee Corbo]

Conspiracies, comedy, chaos. At least one guy trying to sell you DMT in the parking lot.

[Top Lobster]

Welcome to Bohemian Grove.

[David Lee Corbo]

Two days.

[Top Lobster]

Shut up.

[David Lee Corbo]

Bohemian Grove. Three.

[Top Lobster]

Two days.

[David Lee Corbo]

One portal.

[Top Lobster]

And remember, if you don't show up, the Jews win. Tickets are on sale now. Is it true? I think it is true that the Jews win, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

It is true that the Jews win. If you don't go to burrowgrove.com and pick up your tickets for the greatest event that has ever graced Florida for sure. Maybe the east coast, maybe the world pro.grve.com. go get your tickets. All right, guys. Anyway, joining us today is Austin Picard. Austin, for the audience who may not be familiar with you, what is it that you focus on and where can they find your work?

[Austin Picard]

All right, guys, first of all, I appreciate you as always for having me on. You know that. And yeah, me personally, I've really started with the Underclass podcast. That was my solo, like creative vision as far as that project is concerned, kind of the umbrella project that most of my content, all of my content essentially goes under this. This umbrella. But I also attempting to really the ultimate goal and priority was to spotlight kind of the true nature of the state and why I am philosophically opposed and feel much Like I am among the underclass, if you will, which is the reason being why I effectively use this name. Because me personally, I feel as if I'm entirely disenfranchised. You know, I haven't felt any representation for honestly, since the veil fell to the wayside. My naive vulnerability to, to a lot of the misinformation and deception and smoke and mirrors that have been truly in my mind, sophisticated at a level as far as psychological warfare tactics and techniques, really culture creation as well. So I find myself at the intersection is kind of how I've been describing it lately, where the occult meets, let's say organized crime syndicates that run hand in hand with the intelligence apparatus and utilize plausible deniability cutouts like cult organizations and private sector entities for that exact purpose. To essentially run distractionary tactics and yeah, blow smoke and mirrors and manipulate our ability to, to kind of just effectively kind of interpret the true power paradigm and how it functions and plays out on a daily basis.

[David Lee Corbo]

Interpret reality. Right. I mean the entire. They're in culture creation, they're, they're in all this espionage, they're operating on the world stage and they're, they're manufacturing and, and feeding us our reality.

[Austin Picard]

Yeah. And so my entire goal has become. And it's like it's definitely evolved over time. It's only been. This is still feel. It feels so much like it's still in it in its infancy. Like I started this in April of 2023, man. You know, I mean, like this is very new still to me. And so I'm doing my best to navigate these waters as much as I possibly can. But I feel as if I'm also extremely blessed and grateful because from day one I was provided the opportunity by Sam, obviously. Sam Tripoli from TFH to, to go on Tinfoil Hat from my very first interview, you know, public like as far as just publicly presenting myself as well as my, my creative vision to the public. And, and so that alone felt like one. Obviously, as I continue to say, the law of abundance, I'm ultimately grateful for opportunities. But also it was like it, it seems like there's been this common theme of, of essentially, you know, jump into the deep end and sink or swim. And I think if you've disciplined yourself enough psychologically, you, you've accumulated enough knowledge over time in an objective way where you've tried to reinforce your core values, you know, what is fundamentally most important, what you should prioritize. Then I feel like you, you have kind of the defense mechanism put in, in its proper place to where you might be able to put to, to effectively navigate those very waters and, and swim, man. And when you start to swim, right, you learn the proper techniques. Like you feel like the sky's the limit, you know, and I really, I'm feeling that way and I think that you guys probably are as well. Just as far as I was just talking with, with you privately, David, like just surrounding ourselves with, with good people, like minded individuals who have, you know, ethical principles worthwhile, they're practicing in real time and like that alone.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's weird, isn't it? Like, so you and I were talking about this and we'll get into the subject matter just for the audience who's, who's listening. We're going to end up talking about the David, the Davidians and David Koresh and Waco and all that today maybe. But before we do, there's been an interesting thing that been developing on Twitter which is we have found ourselves in Moon Map Dog and this guy actually does have a moon map. We found ourselves in the middle of wild speculation. There are content creators, I don't know if I'd call them content creators. There are mildly popular accounts who are growing on Twitter, anonymous accounts. They're speculating heavily. Are we part of some sort of network of or controlled ops? The Florida Illuminati. Right. And I was saying to Austin, what's significant about that is a complicated question, right? I mean, are we part of the Illuminati? Well, it's not because we're not allowed to answer.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, if I had to, if I had to like really string it out, it would just be kind of confusing. But in short.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes, yes.

[Austin Picard]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's a good way to wrap it up is. Yes, but what's, what's significant about that? It's not just that it's fun to have somebody schizo spiraling about you and creating conspiracies. I mean as a conspiracy theorist, it is fun to have conspiracies about me. But what it does speak to is the fact that imagine the psychology of an individual who's going to spend a disproportionate amount of time digging up research on you. What will have sparked that? In my opinion, they are seeing us non stop. We're in a really weird period where the old guard is dying, legacy media is rotten and falling off the vine. And many of the people who were leading the alternative media, I guess you could call it, have also been scooped up and co opted to whatever degree. And they're kind of now situating themselves as the new established media. And that leaves another vacuum. And that vacuum is where they used to sit. So whatever this guy is doing, whatever he's seeing, he's seeing so much of it that he's going mad. He's like, why am I seeing these guys constantly? They have to be. Why is the algorithm favoring them? There's no way you can get to this point without being backed by feds. And I don't think that that's as unique. Or rather, I don't think it's that we're unique. I think it's that the time that we are in is unique in that this old guard is dying off. There is now a power vacuum, and. And the bar for entry is low enough for guys like us to get in. And. And I don't know who did it or why it's happening. You can, you know, make a bunch of speculations about that. But it is fascinating that to whatever degree people are seeing us, it's overwhelming enough for them to be like, this is not organic. These guys are ops. And I'm a big fan of that.

[Top Lobster]

There's a full court press of, like, of the established media who is now dead. It seems like they're buying or they're. They're trying to influence other people that are in this, like, same space that we're in. So I think in the opposition to that, people are going to find people like us, people like Austin and Jose, people like Clint. They're going to go and look at the opposite of this stuff. So, like, one of the latest things that has. The latest people who have been recruited, and they've been asking to be recruited for quite a while, and now they finally got it. But this guy's just too dumb. It's really not his fault. I blame it on race. It's just like there's like a. An IQ cap that. That he's stuck at. The guy Dom Lucre. Oh, yeah. Basically selling himself to the Jews in the dumbest way possible. The most obvious and dumbest way possible. I told him just. I said, just clean off those dookie breads and move. Move the seashells out of your hair before you put the little hat on. But it's like these people are being paid. And in opposition to that, people are going to look on the other side and be like, well, who's not lying? And like, we're over here. I'm not lying. I can't. I'm autistically telling the truth. So then they're going to find A. Every time I said faggot online. So whatever.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know what's funny is when they try to throw that in your face. You could throw that in Rogan's face. Big established thing. But yeah, you can't do it to us. You'll go, huh, yeah, that was a banger, right? It's, it's fascinating. It goes to show you how much of a facade or facade, what's the word? Is it an F or a V? I'm really retarded.

[Austin Picard]

Facade.

[David Lee Corbo]

Facade. Thank you. It shows you how much of a facade the mainstream media was, the legacy media. It had this air of professionalism, it had this air of authoritative, you know, like. But it was. None of it was real because once they go away, the power vacuum is, is now sucking us into it. And we're, we're not professional, we're not authoritative. We don't have all those bells and whistles and all the, the, the certificates. We didn't go to school for this. Or, you know, in an, in an era where we were told to trust the experts, the experts have fallen apart and the power vacuum is sucking us into it. It kind of tells me it was a lie the whole time. And those people were never better than us. They were no better than us. They're exactly the same as us. They're just broken, lost people that decided to talk into a microphone and, you know, you could put on a suit or whatever and, and step out in front of a crowd and the crowd will accept you as the authority. And that was always a fucking illusion.

[Sam Tripoli]

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[Austin Picard]

Absolutely. And I think that within the context of the new media landscape and how it's kind of formed, it's as it's formed in the public eye through, right, these, let's just say, the modernized social media platforms, which really became digital gulags, which I think were manufactured to become this by design. But I do think that this is unfortunately, I mean, what has happened in my mind, and it is, I'm very optimistic about this, is the fact that they expose themselves unfortunately, due to their lack of authenticity. And I think that alone is where you were finding this. This Very much just an eager appetite for, for authentic truth and, and as far as just, you know, objectively pursuing the truth. So if you are willing to do something, you know, such as that, right. You have the balls to objectively pursue the truth and find yourself surrounded by enemies on all sides. Because effectively that's what does tend to happen. Although just philosophically I don't, I don't mean like ultimately I feel like we've found our own people in, in many ways and it's like like minded individuals kind of seem to flock to, you know, common, common ideas and common principles and, and as far as embracing them and the more that you know, again we discover people who are practicing this way of life, then you realize, right, that, that honestly I'm coming to find that, you know, I'm not at all shocked that let's say a good example is meeting Jake Shields the other day and you come to find that he's actually one of the most down to earth like principled individuals, such a cool and kind dude and, and, and seemingly practicing the law of abundance. Just like I mentioned with, with Sam, right, Which is just like the most beautiful mentality, right where there's plenty of seats at the table. You just have to be willing to work for it. And if you're, if you're disciplined enough and willing to put in the effort and the time that it takes. And yeah, and I think, I mean I, I again I've effectively embraced the mantra where I just, I just on a daily basis I ask for my heart to be in the right place, my intentions to be pure, you know, and, and, and my mind to work efficient and effective as much as possible because of how schizophrenic I am naturally. Right. It's kind of happens that's the uphill.

[David Lee Corbo]

Battle is like it's a gift and a curse when your, your brain, you're, you're significantly worse off than me. Where I'm sitting, it's just like your brain goes a million miles per hour. You have all these ideas. It's, it's very difficult to try to capture them, not let them fall to the cracks. But I am excited to be. If you look at this situation, this legacy media imagine they were taking over like a temple and, and that was their holy place for a long time. And now the temple is empty and, and it's just like January 6th, right? It's us and a bunch of our retarded homies walking in and going wow, what's going on in here? And I'm looking forward to establishing ourselves in this new temple and making a fucking mockery of it. But let's get into this conversation, Austin, about Waco. I thought what would be a good thing is let's start from the conventional explanation, a little like thousand foot overview what happened because there are people that are unfamiliar with it. And, and what was the conventional explanation for that?

[Austin Picard]

All right, and I will, I promise you I will begin there, but I did, I have one last statement about what you just said. As far as the fact, the fact that like, you know, as we're witnessing the, the dying off the last gasp of the mainstream media and we're seeing kind of the attempted like redirection, right, I think in, in many ways by the permanent establishment who are attempting to kind of compromise various alternative media assets and then as well as just effectively, I would think green light operatives within that same context. So you're talking about straight up information agents that I would imagine are being you know, sent into that very, you know, alternative media landscape in order to re. Corral these individuals fleeing from the lying, you know, the, the, the, the last gasp. Right. And, and so the way that I kind of put it in terms of like I covered Mockingbird, modern Mockingbird kind of, we, as far as, with William Ramsey, we kind of took it from Operation Mockingbird in its infancy to modern day and it's in its current construct and just as MK Ultra is considered and. Right. And in all of these clandestine covert operations, they only went underground after they were truly exposed to the public. Right? They, there was no real transparency, no accountability effectively took place. And so you had most of these covert operations driven underground through plausible deniability cutouts in order to consistently sophisticate these measures and utilize them in different test groups, right, that are isolated. And that in itself played out in many ways in a lot of these various scandals that took place domestically within the US after this false transparency took place. And so. But the point being, as far as the Mockingbird, note that I wanted to finish before we move on is just that I think the ultimate goal and the key role of the media itself is to amplify and repeat without skepticism essentially. So you don't necessarily have to have each and every individual entirely compromised. But then again, it's like you, you look at Tim Pool with his new White House press credential sitting there like in my mind, what he couldn't be more compromised after functioning off Chatham House rules and meeting with Netanyahu, and now you have a White House press credential. I mean, like, what are we dealing with here? But. But still, it's very difficult for, you know, when it boils down to it, we were having that discussion like, who is a spook, who is a Fed? And when, you know, it's a difficult thing to. To honestly.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Can I explain that to Top a little bit? Because he wasn't here for that. Top. What I was saying was, you know, within this community, we do a lot of speculating as to who's a Fed, who's an op. And I think a lot of what lends itself to that speculation is watching somebody reach a level of notoriety where you begin to suspect that they couldn't get there without the help of Feds or without being controlled ops. And now what I'm realizing is people are looking at us that way, but we got to this place without any help. And. And not. I'm not saying it was easy, but I'm saying now that we've gotten here, I can see all the steps that we took to get here. And it's making me do some internal, you know, auditing. Like, who have I called? The Fed, because I thought that they got to some place they should have never been able to get to.

[Top Lobster]

There's. But now the case, there's a question with like. Like Tim Pool as well, let's say for a good example, is he a Fed? I don't. I don't even know if that's the right word to explain what he is. Who's that?

[David Lee Corbo]

Tim.

[Top Lobster]

Tim. Yeah. But then it's like, on the way, as he's like. Because. Because I have. Right now, we have our nose, our head down, and we're constantly chipping away at growing this thing. I don't know what's being added to or like, what is a real. What is not real. So let's say you're Tim and you're doing the same thing, and you're growing your thing, and then it starts growing. Like, I am worried about growing this. I'm not going to look around and be like, hold on a second. I think Milo brought it up on his show, and I feel like we're getting a little sidetracked, but it is important to this part. Milo was talking about the Russian money, and he was like, listen, I don't even know where that Russian money came from. We saw that it came in and we looked for it. And he was like, well, it's a substantial amount of money. How could you not have audited it? And it's like, I kind of get it. He's like there's a hundred thousand dollars coming in, but this guy makes $10 million a month and he's like, that's a lot. Where'd it come from? And then his, his people around him don't really know anything. So he's like, oh well. And then you're autistically growing your. Well later on when you get the tap to come down and meet with Netanyahu, it's like, yo man, we've already grown your. And it's like you're gonna do this. I feel like him. Rogan, there's a couple of people that are like growing their thing, but it grew unnaturally. They didn't notice. And it's like how the hell would you notice or stop it? And now you're in a position of. It's like, well now you do what we say and now he's doing what they say. But at least thank. You know, I will say this about Tim. Thank you for tipping us. Thanks for tipping us off. Because in the most obvious way like you've done, you did this, announced your meeting with Netanyahu. You've been screaming at people. Anyone who like even talks against Israel a little bit like in the most obvious way and now you're a White House correspondent is like, we know what you are. I don't know if that's what you set out to be, but it's almost like Majter Ray, he's a. But he always said if you ever see me driving like a. I'm like my securities guy, I got a black Bentley and a white Bentley, that means I sold out. That's your sign. And I'm like, yeah, all right. Like respect. That's your sign. So maybe the sign is like, yeah, I met with Netanyahu under Chatham House rules at the White House.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's, that's the other thing. That's how we think that those meetings go down. You know, you imagine meet in a closed door meeting with Netanyahu and he does it. But like there is degrees to like I saw somebody, I think Stu Peters was getting drilled for this and it was like, so he goes off about the Jews all day long, right? And then they find out that his, one of his sponsors is, is a Jew. Like it's a Jewish owned business. It's a gold, I think a gold business.

[Top Lobster]

Which one isn't?

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh yeah, find me a gold business that's not owned by a Jew. But, but. And he's like, yeah, yeah, I guess he is owned by a Jew. And I was like, you know I'm. I'm all for getting these people and cornering them, and it doesn't even make you dislike them. It's just like, I like watching people get pressed and then. But I'm like, yeah, should I start asking all our sponsors what they believe? Like, you know what I mean? Like, if you reach out to us and they go, hey, we got a company reaching out to us right now. Magic mind. And I gotta do. I gotta go, like, hey, Magic mind.

[Top Lobster]

Magic mind. What's your. What's your mailing address? I'm gonna send you a caliper so you could measure your nose really quickly. I don't know, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

If there's an owner that's male, I would appreciate a picture of his penis. I need to know circumcised or not circumcised. You know what I mean? Like, it's like you're in the middle. In the middle of trying to build something. The Stu Peters network, whatever this is, you know, And. And there's. It's impossible to vet right now. It's just me and Top. We could not vet everything that's coming in. There's no time that we. We don't have time. It's. We're like flying by the seat of our pants. So I don't know. I suppose that leaves the door open for then finding out.

[Sam Tripoli]

Packages by Expedia. You were made to be rechargeable. We were made to package flights, hotels and hammocks for less. Expedia. Made to travel. Trip planner by Expedia. You were made to have strong opinions about sand. We were made to help you and your friends find a place on the beach with a pool and a marina and a waterfall. Waterfall and a soaking tub. Expedia.

[David Lee Corbo]

Made to travel that you've been funded by a Jew this entire time and then it up.

[Top Lobster]

Your whole.

[Austin Picard]

Your whole, you know, your credibility is in question at that point. Look, man, the. The problem is, though, is that once you're always going to have these naysayers that exist. And again, it's due to the fact that I think, personally, I had mentioned this as well. Like, if you aren't pursuing something that you're passionate about that is truly worthwhile in the grand scheme of. Of just again, are you actually filling your time, right, with. With legitimately attempting to practice these core root principles that you've ethically kind of, you know, ironed out for yourself? You understand what. What is worthwhile, how you should spend your time, and in doing so, you might actually accomplish something right? By, by focusing and prioritizing this path. And I think that certain people who aren't, who, who basically are. It's, it's the soul trap, right? It's, it's honestly, it's this, the God hole, right? The new age esoteric ideological system of control has essentially and very, very effectively taken, taken hold and I think disrupted their ability to one just appreciate another person's success. Because when, when you have yet to, to feel in any real way fulfilled as, as an individual, then yeah, you lash out inherently. I think it's a subconscious thing. Most people aren't even aware of this and you become more of, you embrace bad ideas to begin with, but you, you definitely become more of, of, I would say just very much an envious and negative person as far as your overall outlook and perspective on, on, you know, individual success that especially if you know them personally, it might affect you even more so. And I think that there is something to say about that. And it's a, it's a, it's a disgusting natural instinct that happens to people who again aren't feeling in any real way fulfilled and pursuing something they're passionate about that makes them feel like it, you know, it's a worthwhile, you know, just again, like, what if you're spending all of your time just, you know, wasting away, right? And what do you have to show for it? And so every step of the way you're, you're going to have these kind of this negative outcome in terms of your overall philosophical perspective on things. And so, yeah, I just think that it's almost threatening to a lot of people whenever they view individuals, you know, actually succeeding in, in certain ways. And, and then beyond that, you know, you have this, you're talking about the death of the mainstream media. This is the whole point I was trying to make because there is a reason that public trust is at an all time low and even the, the herd marching in lockstep, as I put.

[Top Lobster]

It before.

[Austin Picard]

It'S, it's kind of how I like to, to really just effectively describe this because they can sense something is wrong. Even they can sense something is wrong. And so you have many of these people frantically turning to these various false prophets and that, that have been constructed in the alternative media landscape and their disinformation operatives oversaturating that very alternative media landscape and essentially these, these, the masses, right? The masses of ignorant individuals who have yet to really kind of isolate their own principles and understand how they should philosophically engage with reality itself. They're, they're Falling into these traps, they're being psychologically corralled into the permanent establishment narrative. And this is in a newly adapted form of Modern Mockingbird, which has seemingly conformed to meet, right, this new kind of what. What's basically become this fifth generational information warfare environment. And so that in itself, I think, is worth, you know, acknowledging and mentioning because this is all based on Tavistock methods and, and, you know, of social engineering and deception and creating culture, using Hollywood as. As a tool. And I think that's another thing, right? We. I think I told you guys before, like, there was a liaison office set up in 96, right, in. In. In for Hollywood, right, to legitimately influence, create scripts, right, Have. Have directors come in and provide them with. Not only like, did you have the, the Claire Danes example, right, of. Of how she's explaining they went to spy camp and, and basically, you know, they had. They went to a meeting at. In Langley, right? Her and the script writers do what, for Homeland? Yeah, for Homeland, yeah. Her and the script writers and. And the directors, they all went and had a meeting at. At Langley in Virginia at the CIA headquarters. And John Brennan was there, man. I mean, the guy that brought slavery back to Libya, you know, that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Where Wanda Sykes was like, oh, yeah, I was part of the NSA or something. I'm like, what the. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have no idea how many. It's. It's. It is a useful tool. A propaganda machine is a useful tool for an intelligence agency that engages in cultural manufacturing. And so why would they not scoop up the apparatus that is involved in that machine? The actors, the actresses, Wanda Sykes, you know, you name it, whoever it is, there are people that you probably wouldn't suspect, but then you would find out, oh, like I never suspected that Wanda Sykes was a kid, you know, was an actual Fed.

[Austin Picard]

That was such a fun video to watch.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's a strange video for her because she says it so nonchalantly. She says it as. It's just a matter of fact. And it's almost like either she doesn't see the greater implications of it, she doesn't think that it's strange, or she doesn't think that it will stick out as strange to the general public. And if the latter is true, I don't blame her because we're. But actually, I know we never. We never got into it. Guys, we're at the 31 minute mark. We got to cut the stream. We're going live exclusively to Patreon.com backslash forward slash. 1 of the slashes Nephilim Death Squad. If you want to continue enjoying this conversation, engaging in the live chat and all that other stuff, you could do so for free, actually, at patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad. Sign up for the 7 day free trial and enjoy as much content as you can. And then, you know, run away before the billing cycle kicks in. What do I care? It's fine, please stay, but otherwise, please stay, guys, don't do that to us. I know, I joke, I joke. I kid. But otherwise, we are now going live exclusively to that place that I just talked about. Bye bye. Austin, for the sake of the audience, let's get into this, this conversation about Waco, because I do think it's an important thing to talk about. So what we're going to do here is we're going to talk about the, the conventional explanation, the conventional narrative that we received as the public. And then, Austin, the idiosyncrasies, the things that don't add up, the things that you suspect may be true about this event. So go ahead and take it away.

[Austin Picard]

All right, So I mean the, the official story, obviously, you know, you have, essentially it's very interesting as far as how this was all staged because again, like we should probably begin at the investigative level, like where it kind of. But as far as the overall presentation of what took place, I mean, it was only six months after the Ruby Ridge, right? The siege at Ruby Ridge. And and so that matters to me in the terms, in terms of let's say 1992, you have the Ruby Ridge incident and then you have, six months later, you have Waco and packages by Expedia.

[Sam Tripoli]

You were made to be rechargeable. We were made to package flights, hotels and hammocks for less Expedia made to.

[Austin Picard]

Travel in 95, right on the, the anniversary of both Ruby Ridge and Waco, right? You have, you have the, effectively you have the Oklahoma City bombing take place, right where Timothy McVeigh specifically himself claims that obviously the Ruby Ridge standoff in the Waco siege, he cited personally as the main reasons for him and Terry Nichols plan to, to stage the Oklahoma City bombing and which was only two years after Waco, 4-19-95. So and then of course that, that really, I think smeared and tarnished the modern day right wing American militia movement at the time, which I think was by design as well, and also became a huge tool for the Total Information Awareness Project that was being set up by the intelligence apparatus, which really paved the way for a lot of these new dystopian legislative, let's say the precursor to the Patriot act was passed just after the Oklahoma City bombing. Right. So that was another reason for how they could effectively pass through totalitarian legislative action. And also kind of staged the public perception as far as domestic terrorism is concerned while consistently utilizing, if you remember in 95, when the OKC bombing first happened, there were reports that it was actually an Islam Islamic Islamist terrorist. Right, A Muslim terrorist.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was the reports for, for what?

[Austin Picard]

For the Oklahoma City bombing.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was the original reports.

[Austin Picard]

Yeah, there were original reports that were coming out that were claiming that yeah, it was, it was effectively a Muslim terrorist who had staged the Oklahoma City bombing. And then obviously Timothy McVeigh, you know, took, took center stage. But, but still it's, it's, it's very interesting how they kind of again manage public perception in these, throughout these incidents and also provide kind of, if you're considering the two party delusion and, and kind of how they, they really, I, I believe the pendulum swing is much more of a controlled swing. They know exactly where it will inevitably end up. And unfortunately we remain on this dystopian totalitarian path. And so like that's my perspective is that the one side accomplishes what the other cannot. And so that's where you, you see like conservatives passing more gun control legislation than Obama could ever dream of. It's like, right, President Bump Stock, you know what I mean? Like post, post 2017 Vegas shooting, like what do they utilize their precedent setting operations. And so the whole point here though is that this is how I, you know, kind of presented this personally was, was that, you know, we have to spotlight the federal government's abuse of power is really what I think is, is the ultimate point with as far as just to be had in terms of Waco. And so you have obviously this unwarranted conflict and in my mind deliberate mishandling and as far as undermining hostage negotiators and things of that nature, which we'll get into those details. But so it's this unwarranted conflict unnecessarily escalated by government agents which would inevitably lead to this tragic loss of Life which included 28 children, right? Becoming widely known as the Waco Siege. But the way that I put it is that we're all Branch Davidians now, right? Like honestly that was the, the way that I put it in, in my framework of the story, because that's how I personally felt like as much as we can have the discussion about like the moral framework of, of what, what David Koresh was who he was. Was he a monster? Maybe. You know, it's. It's possible. But do you do. Do you still go in to rescue the children by burning them alive? Probably not. You know what I mean? Like.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I mean. Yeah. As far as rescue techniques, that's top three at least. Set them. Set them on fire, burn them alive. There's a great way to do it. What, what is. How does Koresh end up with this, you know, passionate following this cult? Yeah, I mean there's no really other somewhat. The way to put it.

[Top Lobster]

Also. Is there any veracity to this being like a. I believe it was like a. Either cloning or some kind of like breeding program cult is that.

[Austin Picard]

Hey.

[Top Lobster]

Okay.

[Austin Picard]

I will say former CIA officials have made these claims and legitimately there's a report that was sent to Janet Reno, the attorney general at the time. And this report claims that David Koresh has ties to the CIA and mind control techniques that were sophisticated and utilized by this local institution. That they were actually brain. So essentially they were. You know, there was a mind control programming sophisticated operation being conducted at this local institution which had ties to the MK Ultra operation, which CIA operatives were affiliated with this institution. And they claimed that the Branch Davidians were being programmed out of this local institution near Palestine, Texas, which is very near Mount Carmel and Waco compound.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean that's not all of them, right? I mean that's got to be the most influential people at the top of this.

[Austin Picard]

Yes. Which was another part was that basically Koresh and. And his. His. Essentially his. The surrounding authorities who were her. Who were basically kind of like his right hand men who were carrying out much of the, you know, conceptual outline of the group. They were basically instilling that within the. The. The framework of the DAV effectively they were waking up from their programming. And that I've. Now I've heard this in terms of even Randy Weaver as well. That. That apparently. And keep this in mind. Tim McVeigh, Green Beret. These are all former Green Berets. And you're thinking packages by Expedia.

[Sam Tripoli]

You were made to be rechargeable. We were made to package flights, hotels and hammocks for less Expedia made to.

[Austin Picard]

Travel is there you know, apparently with Special Forces there's. There's a. Potentially operationally they legitimately put these Green Berets through mind control techniques right. Through sophisticated MK Ultra techniques. And that basically that they trigger many of them to become sleeper assassins essentially that they can, you know, have programmed to target and green light at Any moment to create some sort of scandalous, like, domestic strategy of tension, let's say Operation Gladio. Now this makes sense in terms of the psychopath machine, how they were kind of like there was a systematic strategic approach of isolating these specific characteristics, you know, characteristics and, and profiles that individuals would fit. And essentially it would, it would prove that they had psychopathic tendencies, obviously, and they would be recruited. But basically according to their lifestyle, most of them were already committing heinous crimes. And so they would.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm wondering if what they're looking for, Austin, is childhood trauma that lends itself to a disassociative identity disorder. Like if you're on the cusp of it, if you already have that proclivity, if they could identify those psychological traits, you are an individual that has, you know, you're on the edge of this disassociative identity disorder. You're a prime candidate for this sort.

[Austin Picard]

Of a thing, 100%. And here, check, check this out. Because Hillary Clinton for sure had more of a, more of a. Apparently she legitimately herself could have helped pursue and push forward the, the climactic siege tactics. That played out in a very negative way, which I found very interesting that apparently there, there's many reports claiming that Hillary ordered the final massacre at Waco and that it was all based on the fact that the new Clinton, the, the Clinton administration, essentially it was all for, you know, pr. Right. For optics in many ways that they just needed an end to this. Right. And, and so it was a 51 day siege by the end of it, obviously. And, but what I found interesting is that I discovered recently that three of Bill Clinton's bodyguards during the 92 election, right. During his campaign, they were engaged in the Waco operation as officers of the atf. And this is very crazy because out of the four, because only four ATF officers were actually killed in the initial raid. Because there was on the initial raid, the day of the raid, it, be it. It resulted in a two hour standoff. And yeah, four ATF agents had been, had been, had essentially been shot. Right. And, and so out of the four officers who were shot and killed in the initial raid, three of them happen to be the same former Clinton bodyguards from Clinton's campaign in 92.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, does that add to the body count?

[Austin Picard]

It adds to the body count in my mind. You know, it's very strange that three of the four were Clinton bodyguards in the 92 election campaign. And so, you know, were they denoted?

[Top Lobster]

Like, is that a demotion from like.

[Austin Picard]

I don't know, honestly, as far as I'm not entirely certain how that would have happened in my mind. If you're a bodyguard, you're not necessarily. Are they Secret Service? Like, who knows? I'm trying to, you know, I, I didn't assess if they were Secret Service because I know Secret Service are effectively involved in more covert operations than you'd be aware of. Like the, the Secret Service were involved at let's say the Confessions of a DC Madam with the, with the Henry Vincent prostitution operation happening in D.C. that was basically these gay call boys and, and stuff like that that were being utilized that were also. They had free range at the White House during the Bush administration. Bush Senior, which is very fascinating. But that's where they had the midnight tours of the White House. That Paul Bonassi, the Franklin scandal victim, who, who has been an amazing resource as far as essentially exposing a lot of these state sponsored child trafficking operations. And, and the rumors come from that.

[David Lee Corbo]

The Bushes were into boys, right?

[Austin Picard]

Yeah, exactly. And, and the reason being is because you had members of George Bush Senior's Secret Service who were running security for that, for that brothel which, which had, was entirely rigged with audio visual blackmail. And you know, who was sitting at Henry Vincent's place whenever. Or it was Henry Vincent and, and Craig Spence. Right. So Craig Spence was a huge piece of, and essentially tied in with the intelligence community and, and was running a lot of this for human compromise and sexual blackmail. But who was posted up at this, this property with, that was filled with audio visual blackmail in a, in a covert way, very much like, let's say the, the, the Epstein properties. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what I was thinking of.

[Austin Picard]

Two way mirrors, you know, closets with tripods. And, and who does he come in? Henry Vincent comes into Craig Spence's operation and he sees none other than Larry King sitting on the couch from the Franklin scandal, from the Franklin Credit Union, who was, you know, caught in the embezzlement scandal and exposed the entire network. Ties with military intelligence. He himself was apparently Paul Bonassi witnessed him passing off money at Offwood Air Force Air Force Base in, in Nebraska. Right. Which is where they say was the, the hub of Project Monarch, which is trauma based mind control. That's what that is. Right. And so, and, and I believe that most of it is through sexual trauma, which is, you know, Project Monarch was.

[David Lee Corbo]

It was a little bit different. So there's MK Ultra and Monarch. Monarch was about creating effectively like influencers.

[Austin Picard]

Monarch felt to me like it was the ultimate way to implement the altars Right. The hundreds of alters of personalities for the m. The multiple personality disorder. Did. Victims. And, and it seems to have. I mean, you know, it's. Again, there, there are. These techniques have been very well sophisticated over time. And it's like people. It's very hard to even comprehend. Comprehend honestly until you've read through them. Because it feels like again, you have to, you have to, you almost have to reflect on what you believe is even possible in the reality that. Yeah, I mean, that's what happens, you know, at the end of the day. And it's fascinating stuff, but the whole point of, of at least a brief note on what you had mentioned about the mind control aspect of, of. Of Waco. This is Paul Wilcher. It was the Wilcher Report that this, this is fascinating, man. I just recently discovered it and it. I would have approached Waco in an entirely different way if I knew that this was, you know, as far as just like potential allegations of credibility. Because to me, just knowing that Attorney General Janet Reno like, there, there were absolutely no claims of mass suicide by the Davidians. They. They themselves said, no, we're not going to kill ourselves. And then, you know, what is Janet Reno claim? She says that they're probably going to commit mass suicide like the people at Jonestown. Right. And like legitimately puts them in parallel directly. And, and that in my mind is no accident.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, that's a perfect opportunity to engineer public opinion about this event. Oh, oh, Jonestown. Everybody knows Jonestown. That's a emotionally charged topic and it's sensationalized and so get it to that.

[Top Lobster]

I'm still so, so stuck on the fact that three of Clinton's former bodyguards were ATF agents and they were all the three of the four that rushed the windows. When you see that video, you're like, what a fucking bunch of dummies. Like, these guys, this was an arsenal. And you're trying to like, come in through a window where they see you coming. I was like, that was a death sentence that they sent these guys on. So it's like the order, it's crazy. It creates, it makes me mad at like Scott Horton because it creates this whole idea of what this thing. What. Obviously they didn't do this just to kill these three bodyguards. That's like one of these, you know, while we're here kind of things. But it, it does throw the intention of whatever happened there, like, completely upside down. Like, you have to really rethink about what this, what this whole thing was.

[David Lee Corbo]

Seems like some of those events, they use them for like, you know, if, if Hillary Clinton is trying to get rid of her bodyguards, it doesn't matter if it was that event or another event. Like if she's there and people are gonna die, she's like, well if people are gonna die, I know of a few people that could be right in there.

[Austin Picard]

Absolutely, man. And especially considering that they had just gotten elected, just came into office. Waco was a thorn in their side for political pr. You know, just as far as optics wise. Like look man, we need to put an end to this because everyone is starting to become a little bit, you know, as far as we're having visceral overreactions on both sides of the political aisle in terms of this scandal playing out. And we need to put a, at least put a lid on it and, and effectively control the outcome of the perception. And I think that was another aspect of a lot of this, which is why they could never admit that they fired first. They could never admit, you know, that oh, I'm sorry, the, the front door of the Waco compound just happened to go missing out of our, our evidence. A whoops. That would have unequivocally proven who fired first. But you know, sorry, that was an accident. We, you know what I mean? It's like that, that, that alone beyond the fact that you have. Man, it was crazy to me because you actually have FBI, right, claiming that ex CIA officer had Delta Force participating in the final assault. Right. And so you had, you know, this became like an intelligence sharing operation on the ground level operationally where they were figuring out how can we utilize siege tactics on a domestic citizenry in a controlled test subject context with, with American civilians. You know, honestly, like that's, that's really what took place. You want to see what, what happens when we take American civilians out to a clandestine CIA black site where we trained up Angolan rebels in the jungles of Guyana and, and stage Jonestown where we're where we actually fundamentally sophisticating these methods of psychological warfare on the Jonestown victims and, and then have Green Berets called in to fire shoot on site right before they even landed all of the remaining surviving victims. Like, it just feels like all of this is very much happening around the same window of opportunity where this, this very same similar playbook is being just, you know, re. Honestly just recycled tactics but resurfacing, you know, a technical standpoint as far as the operational standpoint of it. It's, it's, it's almost like you could put Jonestown and Waco right Next to each other.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what they wanted, it seems like, at least to the public perception.

[Austin Picard]

Oh yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

What were the Davidians like? What was the galvanizing material? What they believed.

[Top Lobster]

Eve, before you go into that, you had said just before that we are all the Branch Davidians now. And this is like an idea that we've been touching on as well. We're going to be on Tinfoil Hat in two weeks or so. We're going to talk about Andrea Puharich and his work with Operation Stargate and channeling the Nine and what we think is the continuation of. Or that, well, the origination of MK Ultra, but we think that this is what we're living through, is just a continuation of it, a continuation of MK Ultra. Whereas like you're saying we're all the Branch Davidians, I'm like we're all the children strapped in a chair being tortured. But it's done via, you know, inoculation schedule for us. Yeah, it's like these, these events that happened in the past. It's like they, they do these like very small trial runs. They'll do them in private, then it'll have to be disclosed years later. They probably weren't counting on FOIA or things like that, or just people losing paperwork or misplacing it.

[Austin Picard]

It.

[Top Lobster]

I believe somebody like left MK Ultra on a desk and that's how somebody found out about it. They're like, what the is that? Yeah, and they start reading, asking questions. So that's the trial. Then they do a practice run and you'll have a Waco, you'll have a Jonestown, where they're like, let's see if we can do this on, you know, like to a couple hundred people. We did it. And now it feels like we're at the stage where they're like, do it nationwide or maybe even worldwide at this point. And we're there.

[David Lee Corbo]

What they do do, it's like they have a, a thing. They do it in a microcosm, in a controlled environment. Right. A sterile environment where they're, where they're practicing. And then eventually they'll change the name and it'll go under a different name, but the, the, the research will continue. They'll say the old one's dead. And then once they get to a certain point where it's promising enough, then it's time to roll it out to the masses. And then you become free range MK Ultra victims, or you become free range Davidians, you know, like, like that I.

[Austin Picard]

Called it, you know, at one point, I I described it as a nation under mind control, but it's like. No, you're, you guys are entirely correct on that as far as the international scope of this. Like it's, it's transcends borders, man. You know, this has become, you know, the, the really. That is why I, I love the idea and the concept of infowars, right? Because that truly is like we, we reside in this modern form. This is modern warfare, right? The control over the human mind. And, and it's the controlling ideas or our ideas control the, inevitably control the outcome. And so that, that in itself, you know what I mean? It's, it's something that man, once you begin to realize the level of, you know, the, the again, the measures that they have legitimately put into place and how they've actually succeeded in these ways of like for example, Dr. Robert Duncan, I've used as an example multiple times because he wrote this book, he's a Harvard trained professor, wrote a book called Cyber and Cybernetics Revealed. And it is fascinating because essentially he's discussing how modern mind control truly works and how no, they don't necessarily rely upon microchips actually because they're far more unreliable. They, they truly prefer to rely upon a post hypnotic suggestion and emf.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think there's an addition to that though, Austin and I think it's one that has only been recognized kind of recently. They used to do it with implants and you know, metal is a great conductor. It conducts frequencies.

[Top Lobster]

Andreesa Puharit stuff, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

This is all Andreesa Puhari shit.

[Top Lobster]

Even the EMF stuff like I'll tell you about in a second. Go ahead.

[David Lee Corbo]

But what I'm getting at is that they never stopped even that program. The same way they never stopped the programs. They just roll them out to the masses. They never stopped putting metal in you. They just started doing it in a slow drip in the inoculation. So the vaccine schedule was filled with heavy metals and they've been giving them in small doses throughout your entire life. Instead of some sort of invasive surgery, you just get everybody on the same schedule. If you want to go to public school, you have to get this. And it's a quick little thing, just show up like 6, 7, 8, 9, 37 times, you know, throughout your life and eventually you'll have enough metal in you that you'll be great at receiving whatever frequencies they want to bombard you with.

[Top Lobster]

And the, the EMF stuff, it's one of the things that Puharis discovered was called ELF waves E, L, F. So that's like extremely low frequency waves. They're like at the, at the Schumann residence. Some of these, some of these frequencies and they, they determine that, well, we could manipulate people's emotions and even have some sort of mind control ability. But they, they scaled it back. Check out why they scaled it back. It's crazy. They're like, it. It's actually changing the weather. Like, holy. Yeah.

[Austin Picard]

Oh, my God.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, my God. I know. So this is doing like dental implant surgeries. Like, could have even had like an effect on people like L. Ron Hubbard, who started Scientology after having a near death experience after having a dental implant. But this is, it's just crazy stuff. This guy's everywhere. Then you have ELF waves manipulating people's emotions.

[David Lee Corbo]

I know what's happening here. We're, we're dancing all over Austin's research and he's like, how. Because we have, we have weird pieces that fit into this really, really well. Really well.

[Top Lobster]

But the ELF wave stuff is crazy because then that, that obviously is the birth of harp, the HARP machine. Because that, that comes out a little bit later.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, top. They never did that. They looked at that. They said, this can, this can alter the, the weather. We'd better leave the alone. We better back off and stop doing this.

[Top Lobster]

Florida's voting on, on legislation to stop like, geoengineering. So I'm like, oh, so you guys are doing this. It's like, by. If you're going to ban it, then by admission you're doing it right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And everyone's just like, can't ban a thing. You're not doing.

[Austin Picard]

Well, the Project Popeye, they were utilizing weather warfare in Vietnam. We know for a fact that they, they have this ability. But yeah, the HARP facility, that's fascinating stuff. I covered that whenever I covered the DARPA's LifeLog project because I had to in passing discuss the high MEMS program where they're like, essentially creating, you know, cybernetic organisms out of hummingbird flight muscles. And it was what? Yeah. So James Holmes from the Aurora, Colorado cinema, right? The. The Dark Knight theater shooting. Yeah, yeah. He was involved in DARPA's Hyman's program, and his father and grandfather were affiliated with intelligence at the psychological warfare level. And so just understanding that. And by the way, he, his father, and Adam Lance's father were both caught up in the LIBOR scandal, which is all about rigging international interest rates, man, and controlling the outcome of financial markets.

[David Lee Corbo]

So this is what we keep finding. Austin. You go back to, let's say like 1940 and from that point forward, all the people that everybody mentions whenever you talk about these things, we've started to realize, like every single one of them are intimately connected to the other guy. And as much as I hate these motherfuckers for what they've done, I realize, like, damn, this thing just snowballed out of control. Like they discovered something with frequency at once upon a time. And its application to the human condition in conjunction with trauma. And that thing right there became the foundation to fucking everything that plagues us today. Everything that plagues us today started in like 1940. And all these guys, you know, Puharij and L. Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons all the way, they're all just high fiving and, and hanging out with each other, you know, big gay orgies and all this. And, and all the, the, the work they laid back then is the foundation for what plagues us today.

[Austin Picard]

Yeah, and I, I just recently discovered that. Well, I, I knew that L. Ron Hubbard was an intelligence operative, but, you know, I'm, I'm definitely under the impression now that Scientology itself was an intelligence operation and that, you know, there's a reason that they're directly connected with the Process Church of the Final Judgment, which has. It's overexposed in every single aspect of, of honestly, each and every one of these scandals, targeted assassinations. I mean, they were a part of the Killing of the King ritual in Dallas in 63. Man, you know, what was Kerry Thornley, who's, Who's one of Oswald's impersonators, who created the Discordianism, New Age theology, which is a New age esoteric occult religion which is legitimately what seems like, like Michael Aquino, the Temple of Set Right, claims he had a fallout with Anton lavey, which in reality is just a huge, in my mind, misdirection as far as they truly just wanted to consistently utilize a lot of these occult organizations for plausible deniability cutouts to run Monarch. Human trafficking, right? Drug trafficking, weapons, arm smuggling. Like, that's what I realize now is that.

[David Lee Corbo]

But then there is this element. So they're engaging all these things that are, that are. You know, you can find paper trails. You could follow the money. You could understand why this. But then if you look into Aquino, it's like he's not faking the funk for his love of Satanism. He's not faking the funk for this esoteric occult shit that he's leaning on. And none of these guys are. So, so, you know, you have this thing where you keep running into it. I know your Research. I know Jose. He's coming on soon to talk about Aquino and I. And it's like you try to deal in the tangibles for the audience's sake, particularly names, places, accounts, corporations, dates, all this stuff. But what happens is you keep slamming up against the intangible, which is this weird ass occult, spiritual thing that some people have thrown away. They've dismissed it as like, yeah, a lot of that is smoke and mirrors. So that you can also engage in this sort of satanic panic dismissal. That, that works really well. Right. You can add a supernatural element, thereby, when people identify it, you can call them crazy. It works very, very well.

[Austin Picard]

There's a. There's a point to that. But yeah, I, I mean, it goes beyond that.

[David Lee Corbo]

And it's like, no, these dudes are, you know, creating ass homunculi. Like there's. They're. They're really doing things.

[Top Lobster]

Not just that, I mean, like, like what, what Austin is talking about here is that there is a specific calculation to hack the human mind. And it seems like these people have this shit dialed down. They have it dialed down to a perfect science. They can do it. And what we're looking at now is the expansion of it across the entire nation, across the entire world. So, yeah, that is like. But then that. Then you get into the question of like. Like, well, what is magic and what is science and what is the occult? Occult just means like hidden knowledge. It's like, yeah, this is knowledge that they know now that they probably shouldn't know, but they do. So it looks like.

[Austin Picard]

Yeah. And they inherently become the vanguards and the protectors of that hidden knowledge, which is why they're all, you know, at the very least holding like, dual loyalty to these various organizations of fraternal, you know, powerful influence, like secret societies and various. Like the Pilgrim Society and things of that nature. But, you know. Yeah, I think that once you realize, like. Yeah. There's no denying the fact that Michael Aquino practiced and believed what. Right. You know what I mean? It's like, just look up the pictures of.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm sorry, you don't believe in. You don't not believe in demons and have eyebrows like that. Like, I think the eyebrows are a result of the interactions with the demons. Demons. There's no way that that guy didn't believe what he was getting into.

[Austin Picard]

Exactly. And, and you, you put him side by side to. With David Ferry and they have very similar eyebrows. I think. I'm telling you right now, it's crazy.

[David Lee Corbo]

But that's physiognomy. I'm sorry. If you walk up and you. I don't care what kind of suit you're in. I don't care what, what venue we're at, what kind of a setting. If you walk up to me, you have eyebrows like that. Dark arts, occultist. I know what you're doing because you only get eyebrows like that one way. So, yeah, 100. You're. You're showing up to those parties that the podestas are hanging out. You're collecting the same art.

[Top Lobster]

Pretty sure it's in. In the Bible says, thou shalt not have eyebrows like that.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's why I trim my eyebrows. You can see the audience knows my eyebrows want to start doing that. I have to keep them. I have to trim them so that I can stay within reasonable bounds.

[Austin Picard]

Right? No, but it. You know what's so crazy is that, you know, when Aquino was tied to the. Yeah, there's a keynote.

[David Lee Corbo]

Dude. Honestly, big fan of the eyebrows, though. I really am.

[Austin Picard]

When he was tied to, you know, the Presidio scandal up in San Francisco at the military base there where they were finding, yeah, all these. These obvious satanic ritualistic sites, right. Where they were holding these. These occult rituals and, and nearby there was an investigation done where this child, who was the. The child of. Of, you know, one of one of the military families at the Presidio that were housed there, she was like, sadistically abused among many others who, who described very similar forms of abuse while they were being. While they were being watched and taken care of on the grounds of the Presidio itself, in the child care organization there. And it was because it was directly tied to military intelligence in the Monarch Project being facilitated at the time. So they're abducting children or just utilizing them in these rituals and, and abusing them during the course of the day. And you, you have the children coming home, they're like three years old. They're unable to even verbalize the. The form of abuse they're experiencing. One of them called it like, just like with the McMartin preschool incidents like PP poo poo baseball and like, talking about how they essentially, like you, you know, mention the. The caretaker by. By name, effectively utilizing a pencil in their butts and like, terrible dude, you know, and, and. But he was entirely affiliated with that, with that sadistic form of abuse happening there, while the West Point scandal popped off as well, which was eerily similar. And, and so you have one of the abuse abused children, you know, actually acknowledging who her. Who. Who she was victimized and Abused by. And, and it was Michael Aquino and it was her, his wife. Lilith. Right. And apparently her name is Lilith.

[David Lee Corbo]

His wife's name is interesting.

[Austin Picard]

Yes, yes. You look up those two, there's a picture of them with an upside down pentagram and they're sitting with their cloak, their religious ritualistic cloaks on. And they would, they would in inherently apparently during the, the course of their abuse with the children, they, they would reverse gender roles. Roles while they were abusing the children. Which has to do. It has to, you know, playing. Yeah, there's another one where she's like standing next to him and sitting in like a throne style chair. But yeah, they're clearly, you know, practicing occultists that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Austin Picard]

You know, in more ways than one. Were sociopathic abusers that were targeting and you know, specifically targeting children that were under a certain age.

[David Lee Corbo]

That thing too of like the gender inversion. I mean when people think that I'm being hyperbolic when I say like, you know, all of this gender inversion crap, all of this trans crap, this is, this all stems from like ancient Babylonian, you know what I mean? And, and if you look to these cults that are still practicing it, you see like. Oh yeah, that's where it has its roots. Its roots are in whenever you get to this point where you're like engaging in speaking to negative spirits and then all of a sudden now you're, you're, you're an occultist. It's like that's always an element. There's sex magic, dark sex magic. There's always child abuse. There's always some element of gender inversion, role playing or actual, you know, trying to, to move children in that direction.

[Austin Picard]

Oh yeah. And in the Concorus scandal in, in Northern Ireland, in Belfast, I found out that, you know, essentially they target for the occult ritualistic practices. A lot of the, the local chapters of these occult organizations will target prepubescent children for the blood ritual. And that in itself, Raven is gender inverted. That's right.

[Top Lobster]

That's right. It's proof. There's actually proof of it.

[David Lee Corbo]

There is proof. We gotta put that on a T shirt. Can we put that on a t shirt top?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

100. That's awesome. I would love to do that. That's a banger of a shirt there. So, you know, in the conspiracy community you have this concept of like egi, which is elite gender inversion, which, you know, there's probably some, some real argument for that shit given Macron and things like that, that. But I think they take it a step too far. But one of the things that they use is this triangle. And they'll try to put the triangle over your face and it'll determine like, the spacing between your eyes and how it's relative to the spacing to your mouth determines whether or not you are a male or a female. And I, I did it to myself and I was like this says I'm a female every time, which is. It could be possible. I was raised by women. I was probably almost gay. So at the very least, my skull structure might have been altered due to the absence of my father. But this is something that they, they get incredibly carried. There we go. Yeah, it, it's perfectly over me. I'd love to turn that into a shirt.

[Austin Picard]

That's so funny.

[David Lee Corbo]

But I don't even really fault people for thinking that that is more rampant than it actually is because, yeah, there seems to be, you know, Michelle Obama's a man. That's a, that's a whole ass. So I don't, I, I really don't blame people at all.

[Austin Picard]

Yeah. I saw fire Pixie and Dr. Corbeau in the chat talk mention Ted Gunderson being good friends with Michael Aquino and yeah, one of the McMartin moms that Ted Gunderson had lived with for a time and I think had a sexual relationship with while he was investigating McMartin, which, you know, draws in obviously ethical, subpar ethical practices and standards. You know, you would think. But so that alone, it's like. And then you consider that Ted Gunderson ran the LA office of the FBI for quite some time. So he's never, never, he's always considered to be like a glowing source that you can't quite all the way, you know, slippery. Yeah, it's difficult to gauge the credibility there, you know, and, and, and yeah. But I've also, like, I've discovered so many lines of evidence that he's, he's provided me in, in many of these cases as well that I, I view to be extremely valuable. So it's a, it's a hard thing to navigate. Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And so there are people that do this. That. Right. Like, I'm not, I'm never gonna throw Alex Jones bathwater out for fear of, of tossing out tiny baby Alex Jones. Because there, there is a lot of that. He says that's like right on the money. But I highly suspect he's. He, he's a Fed. You know, we're talking about Fed suspecting or. And you know, I just don't imagine a guy has a platform that big who hasn't been approached by somebody who realizes that this would be a great, you know, cognitive infiltration. Cass Sunstein kind of an angle to do. That being said, you know, big fan. Alex Jones. I like him a lot. I, I think that helps people in this and if you just take it through that lens, it's like you don't have to hate these people and you don't have to follow them like they're Jesus. You could just look over to them and enjoy their information every once in a while and then engage in some, some fun speculation as to whether or not they're co opted.

[Austin Picard]

Right? Yeah, exactly.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's nothing wrong with that. That's fine.

[Austin Picard]

Yeah. 100 and but yeah, that's Dr. Corbeau. All right man. I'm sorry that I'm actually questioning if Ted Gunderson is entirely worth condemning. But. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it's interesting Austin that you. You even speculated that about Koresh which is not something that I, you know it's not a outlandish thing to speculate on but it's not something that is popularly espoused whenever somebody starts talking about Waco and the Davidians.

[Austin Picard]

Oh man, the, the squeaky.

[David Lee Corbo]

Not. It's not a squeaky clean narrative but. But the narrative of a people's persecuted unjustly by various governing bodies. The atf and is a better story after you start to speculate that Koresh may have been an operative himself. That. That makes it very muddy and very, very confusing.

[Austin Picard]

Absolutely. And it, it's so much like. And here's the problem is that like I don't want the. The ultimate conclusion. It truly shouldn't change all that much except for the fact that there's an additional wrinkle and, and you know, some. Something that really. It would only open up a true in my mind a far more plausible potential outcome because it would make a lot of sense of things that didn't quite like for example you know, there was a covert operation by, by the you know, investigating authorities at the time right. Who, who had set up a house right next to the. The Waco compound and were had infiltrated the bridge the Branch Davidian complex. And we're actually like going to Bible study with them.

[David Lee Corbo]

They're like this is awesome.

[Austin Picard]

Yeah. It was crazy because again it's just like he had given them like even two federal agents went with him to go off property and just fire weapons together. Right. And they handed David Koresh the gun. Bro. Like to shoot, you know, which is just like how much is this guy truly a threat if you're willing to do that. And he, he personally knew that they were federal agents and even confronted them at, at a certain time. And, and so that alone is just like my God, like what is truly playing out here. And, and beyond the fact that it was almost like theatrical in the description of what was happening when Koresh found out when being tipped off that the raid was imminent. And one of the, the federal operatives was who was undercover had, who had infiltrated the Davidian complex, was there during Koresh's Bible study when he was told about the imminent raid. And he comes back down and he looks at him specifically and he has a conversation about why is this happening, Robert? You know, like legitimately. And then yeah, it's one of the craziest conversations of all time.

[David Lee Corbo]

And doesn't that kind of really. I, I think that is a feather in the hat of men in that it speaks volumes to how we like you could, I could suspect you of being a fed. You could suspect me of being a fed. We might even like know this to some degree. But like, like you want to go out into this field and shoot guns? Yeah, dude. Yeah, I do. Absolutely. Like damn it. That's a good time. Yeah.

[Austin Picard]

It's so crazy to me. But then I had mentioned the wheelchair letter and I just wanted to at least like for the sake of making that point and then get into a little bit more details until you want to stop me honestly on, on at least trying to provide some sort of comprehensive outline for Waco. But, but still like the Paul Died Wiltshire letter to, to Attorney General Janet Reno, it became the Wilcher Report and it, and it was provided in three separate. Basically three separate reports. And, and so the claim was that David Koresh had an extensive CIA background and was a sleeper who had been subjected to extensive CIA mind control training and programming. Alleges that Waco is a major center for such CIA mind control experimentation with much of this activity occurring at the CIA's Leadership Management Institute, the LMI in Waco and also names Salt Lake City, Utah, Provo, Utah, Logan, Utah and Boise, Idaho and San Francisco as the key locations for, for this specifically the Leadership Management Institute. And these specific experimentation programming of MK Ultra being utilized by the agency. And these, these are interesting because the Utah and Idaho locations are specifically in reference to the Ted Bundy cases which I found worthwhile as well. But yeah, so it's again it provides the, the, the kind of. The alternative thread of this CIA sponsored cults being implicated with the Delta Force being there on the final day Right. And was later on confirmed years after the fact, as far as you know, operatives were sent to kill Koresh. And this is what the report claims in the wheelchair report and the six other sleepers within the Davidians before setting the fires that burned down Mount Carmel. So it was like, just like with Jonestown, this is at least the allegation being made. Just like with Jonestown, it was essentially like a cover up operation. We've been overexposed now obviously we need to burn it to the ground. And, and essentially a lot of the different MK Ultra victims who had been utilized in a lot of these experiments, let's say from even the Montreal experiments up in Canada, who were kind of loose ends that needed to be effectively tied off. There were reports that they were sent down to the jungles of Guyana during the Jonestown massacre when the bodies continue to accumulate. And they claimed that the Guyanese medical authorities and medical examiner Dr. Leslie Mutu had had. He didn't know how to count and that the Guyanese officially just. They didn't know how to count, obviously they're just stupid. And so. You know what I mean? And in reality they're just adding bodies, you know, because it's truly in my mind the opportunity was there. And, and what happens when you have to kind of when a covert operation goes up in smoke? Well then let's say you lure down one of the top CIA, CIA watchdogs in the form of Congressman Leo Ryan, who had been investigating, actively proactively investigating MK Ultra facilities, facilities that were being utilized by the agency, including Vaucville, which was the institution that housed Charles Manson in the early 50s and then happened to House Donald Sink you to freeze. Right. Who, who became the individual part of the sla, the Symbionese Liberation army who kidnapped Patty Hearst and it was all connected to MK Ultra. He also went to that same facility. And, and so it's like, yeah, it's completely ridiculous, but it makes so much more sense when you kind of put them and you kind of like again, I just think you run both of these narratives in parallel and, and it kind of plays out especially reinforcing the, the misconception in the public framework. You, you kind of reinforce it with Waco in terms of Jonestown. Right. While also conflating David Koresh, you know, to a cult of personality similar to that of a Jim Jones. Right. It's very easy for, for the public to then dismiss at face value any legitimate reason why you would defend such a, an unorthodox organization or way of life. And then beyond that, you have the sinful messiah, which was that article that was written that. That essentially called him sadistic abuser of children. Who's, who's, you know, living a life of, you know, he basically took him, you know. Right. All. All of these various children, wives. You know, apparently some of them were even 12 and 13 according to the simple messiah.

[David Lee Corbo]

But well, that was what they started saying, was that Koresh, he's basically started banging wives and, and, and taking like a hiram of women. And I mean, that sort of thing. I recognize the human nature in that. I recognize, you know, there's. There's a pattern to recognize there. And that is when people do this sort of thing, that's always the joke is how long until they start banging wives lives. No veracity to that.

[Austin Picard]

Yeah, I mean, well, I'm saying, do.

[David Lee Corbo]

You think that this is true? Did he engage in those things? Was that.

[Austin Picard]

Oh yeah, no, he. He. Without a doubt there was immoral sexual dynamic that was playing out with the group. And, and that. That in itself really made me. It was very difficult to contend with if you're. If you're considering the official narrative of, you know what. Well, you know, not the official narrative because the FBI and the ATF still claim they didn't shoot first. Right. So obviously in. In my mind, the official narrative has become just the government proving what they're capable of, obviously. And, and, and, and I've said many times before, it's the best example for, you know, that they will not hesitate to drive a tank through your front room and, and. Right. And massacre your dogs and. And essentially target your wife with. With your newborn baby in her arms. And, and, and so again, that's the ultimate conclusion in my mind is that it. It does provide us with the perfect example of what the state is. Is truly capable of. But at the same time, you know, you have to. You really have to consider how difficult it is to contend with the immoral aspect of David Koresh himself. Right. Personally. And, and so, yeah, I don't know. It's like he was considered to be the lamb, right. So he's already the spiritual central leader who's kind of taking over this. This very much like if you consider what his name was to begin with as well, which is very important to understand is. Is kind of the David Koresh and what it stood for. Right. Is. It's very strange in itself because David. It all like goes back to the biblical king Cyrus, which I also found very interesting. You know what I mean?

[David Lee Corbo]

Back to King Cyrus. I'm looking for my. My trump coin right now where he's hanging out with King Cyrus. I don't know where it is. How does it go back to King Cyrus?

[Austin Picard]

So essentially, when you're dealing with Koresh himself, he actually, you know, the. His name was Vernon Howell. Right. Vernon Wayne Howell was his original name.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was David Koresh's. Why did he change his whole ass name?

[Austin Picard]

Yeah, yeah, because he was basically groomed. How was point. He was basically groomed at a certain point by this woman named Lois Roden. Right. And it's. It's very interesting as far as George Rhoden was the son of Lois Roden. And. And you have to understand kind of the background as well. But first, as far as the biblical King Cyrus, this is crazy, because Vernon Wayne Howell was chosen to be the successor of the group because they had made this false prophecy that didn't actually come to. To fruition. And Lois. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's an interesting point there as well, because. But the last name Koresh was. Apparently Vernon chose Koresh because it is the biblical name of Cyrus the Great. All right. That is apparently the context here. And so you have David including himself in the lineage linking him directly to the biblical king David, obviously from. From. And. And. But this is where you have the. The last name apparently evoking Cyrus the Great. And so Vernon was reminded of Cyrus, King of Persia, mentioned prominently in Isaiah 45, according to him. And Babylon conquered Israel in 586 BC and took many Jews into captivity. So this is where you have this weird kind of. Let's say, what was it? The. All the ZOG types at the time, like the Randy Weaver types, the Zionist occupied government. Right. Which, you know, they didn't believe it in the terms of. Right. The. The Israeli state is corrupting and compromising the. The current state of the U.S. right. The U.S. like, actual government. It was truly like in terms of the. The modern state of Israel. And the current Jews aren't the real Jews.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, interesting.

[Austin Picard]

Yes. That was actually the belief behind it. And so they believe themselves to be the actual Jews.

[David Lee Corbo]

The Davidians believe themselves to be the.

[Austin Picard]

Oh, so did Randy Weaver. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I want to shout out doctor. Doctor Feel Good Fun. I can't pronounce that other word. But he says, what is that?

[Austin Picard]

Dr. Corbeau's feel good?

[David Lee Corbo]

Is that how you would say corpo?

[Austin Picard]

That's it, I think, man, you just.

[David Lee Corbo]

Trimmed off a bunch of letters at the end of my last name. But he says there are branch Davidians to this day that believe David will return. So they've deified this cat. He is, he is the, the Messiah to them, I guess. I didn't realize there were still modern day Branch Davidians. You would think if the ATF burnt your children alive, you'd be like, we gotta call us something else now.

[Austin Picard]

But I also heard like some of the surviving members like, like David Thibodeau claimed that they never even refer to themselves as the, as the Branch Davidians. And, and the first time he ever even heard that term was in the media whenever they were being covered in real time during the scandal, during the height of the siege. And so I found that very strange. Although, so it's like they, they, it, you know, it's an offshoot, right, of the, like the whole history of the Branch Davidians, I think is very important. Right. Because again, it's like if, if you understand like what was playing out here, there was like this hilarious challenge as well for the, this resurrection contest to prove who the real lamb was. And yeah, and so like the, the son of the woman who groomed him so he's like 28 years old having sex with like a 70 year old woman. And yeah, yeah, it's, it's a crazy story because the Branch Davidians, they technically originated in 55 from the schism from. In the Shepherd's Rod or the rod and, and also known as the Davidians. And so it, I think it just kind of became a way.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I thought, I thought they were the Davidians because David Koresh.

[Austin Picard]

Oh, yeah, yeah. And, and yeah, and essentially there was, there was an internal power dispute after the, the, the essentially the widow died of the original owner of. Or the, you know, Victor Hotef was the president and prophet that created the Branch Davidians. Right. Technically, which were an offshoot of the Worldwide Seventh Day Adventist Church. And so the Shepherd's Rod or the Davidians, founded in 1929 by Victor Hotef. So he was the president prophet, who was apparently excommunicated from the Seven Day AIST for promoting heretical doctrines. Which makes a lot of sense. Right. But the Christian Research Institute, they published something that said that the group was headquartered at a property, you know, near Palestine, Texas, which I think that alone is by design. You know, and there's a reason why you would settle in this location and especially, you know, Mount Carmel. I think every single aspect of this is not at all. It's very thought through symbolically in my mind. And so you have at the core of this ideology the foundation of the Davidians belief was this imminent prophecy of apocalypse, right? So it's a doomsday cult essentially is what it's what it's you know, being labeled as and involving the second coming of Jesus and the defeat of the evil armies of Babylon. But the sinner had been named Mount Carmel after a mountain in Israel mentioned in Joshua 19:26 and the Old Testament. And so by 59, Victor's widow Florence Hoteff announced that the expected Armageddon was about to take place. But after the failure of this prophecy, control of Mount Carmel would fall to Benjamin Roden, the founder of the Branch Davidian Seventh Day Adventist association, known as Branch Davidians. Allegedly that's where it comes from. So he's the one who begins to, to promote this different doctrinal belief system that, that kind of at least it's a, essentially a, a pivot from the original Davidian organization and what they had upheld as their core doctrine. And so this all begins to happen as far as like it, it becomes far more interesting as far as upon his death because Lois Rodin, his widow, took control of the center. And that's when you, you begin to have this interesting dynamic play out and out because the Branch Davidians, you know, apparently under, under Benjamin Roden, right. They, it basically again consider the fact that once she's widowed she decides that George Rhoden, her son is unfit to assume the position of the prophet. And instead she grooms this individual named Vernon Wayne Howell who you know, assumes the name of David Koresh, right. Who, who becomes the successor. And so in 84 you have this, this dispute take place right, where there's this division in the group and you have Howell leading one faction who, who are referring to themselves allegedly as Branch Davidians, although Thibodeau claims he never really heard that self descriptive term but and, and George Rhoden leading the competing faction. So after this split takes place, George Rhoden and, and apparently by gone gunpoint runs David Koreshan and the rest of the Divinians off the property and they relocate to Palestine, Texas.

[David Lee Corbo]

And so Palestine or is it East Palestine?

[Austin Picard]

I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm sorry, I thought I heard you say East Palestine before. And I was like that's weird. Because of that East Palestine Ohio train derailment. Like I'm wondering if there's a pattern there, but I think that's just me.

[Austin Picard]

Schizo reaching and texted by Jake Shields right now guys.

[David Lee Corbo]

So he's like stop talking about the Jews, shut it down. Like no, right, right. Talking about the Jews today.

[Austin Picard]

But this is a crazy ass story, man, because this guy, George Rhoden, right, He's. He's. He had dug up this is. He's attempting to gain control of Mount Carmel, right? And so it's in like, what. In November of 86, when. When there's. After her death, whenever there's this real dispute over the property itself. And so George Rhoden digs up this casket of this woman who was a former Davidian named. Named Anna Hughes from the Davidian cemetery and had challenged Vernon, hell, David Koresh to a resurrection contest to prove who was the rightful heir to the leadership. So. Such a cool contest, isn't it really?

[David Lee Corbo]

Such a cool contest.

[Austin Picard]

I can't hear you, top. What'd you say?

[Top Lobster]

I said, yeah, Bohemian Grove, we're gonna have a resurrection contest.

[David Lee Corbo]

We're gonna kill Toad and we're gonna sit there and wait. Nobody leaves until Toad is resurrected.

[Austin Picard]

Oh, my God. But this is just like, you know, imagine how this. The way that this plays out as well. Like, it kind of points to Koresh and his ability to, you know, he's clearly thinking in a strategic way that most people wouldn't in my mind, as far as, like, how you would undermine the ability to. To take control of this property. And, And I think that the way that this played out is. Is kind of like, impressive as far as, you know, the strategic outcome. And so this, this guy digs up the body of. Of Anna Hughes and, and how instead of accepting the challenge, obviously, he instead goes to the police authorities, the local authorities, and, and claims that Roden was guilty of corpse abuse.

[David Lee Corbo]

Hell yeah. And he was. Dude, that's such a banger, bro. He's like, yo, resurrection contest. He's like, you're going to prison. Zoomed a corpse you 100.

[Austin Picard]

And then he has considered that, you know, members of the inner circle of Koresh are like high level attorneys who had, you know, graduated from Harvard. And. And yeah, so, so again, he. He provides this tip, but the authorities say that, you know, we need evidence. We. We can't actually pursue this without any sort of incriminating evidence because we don't have any ability to get, you know, obtain a warrant for. For these claims and allegations. And so then Koresh takes it upon himself, which I find to be just, you know, honestly, why would he not, you know, at this point? And so, so he and seven other armed companions on November 3rd of 87.

[David Lee Corbo]

They go back seven on purpose, too. It's got to be seven. It's got to be seven of us.

[Austin Picard]

And their Goal allegedly was to photograph this body, to, to gather the incriminating evidence. Although none of them had a way to actually gather photographic material because none of them had a camera. And, and none of them were actually in any way seemingly prepared for that. But Roden was informed of, of their, their existence on the property and he just starts opening fire on, on the, the Davidians that showed up, including Koresh. And so then a firefight breaks out on Mount Carmel. This is, you know, legit.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like cowboys. Like, this wasn't even that long ago. But the amount of firefights that David Koresh ends up in by the time he's dead is like, damn, dude, he's made it some real. I'm mad his name's not David Koresh, but yeah, that's crazy. It's crazy how often that was happening.

[Austin Picard]

And especially considering that he was essentially, he had become a prophet and he was, he was very much, at least in the, the context of the group itself. So he, he is warning them of this imminent threat upon basically modern Babylon will come to their compound and they will be essentially the martyrs, you know, that, that will uphold, you know, the, the, the ancient battle that will take place. One hell of a prophet, that's what I'm saying. Because he legitimately like in detail, warned multiple different members of the Davidian complex while they're just working on the, the compound. You know, what are you going, they're all gardening.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's like going up to him like.

[Austin Picard]

I'm not with you, man. I know it's one of the craziest stories ever.

[David Lee Corbo]

Die.

[Austin Picard]

We're all gonna die. I'm telling you, man. And, and I know that when it comes down. Oh yeah. No, I'm telling you right now, David Koresh was, was on another level. And especially considering the seven seals. Like I want, I'm desperate it to sit down with David Koresh. Like all that I wanted to do after investigating this story in this case specifically was honestly sit down with him and see what his presentation on the seven seals truly was.

[David Lee Corbo]

It had to be a banger because he's, it had to be crazy. He's getting people, man. Well, look, I need to know we're at our time limit today. We have another show to do in like 10 minutes. But I wanted to put you back on Austin and I wanted to achieve soon because I want to do like a two parter for this.

[Top Lobster]

David, has she hit you up? Because I, I had messaged Cheney. She didn't answer me back.

[David Lee Corbo]

Not yet, but I have a lot of notifications. It might be in there somewhere. But I do think we should do a two parter on this because if anybody deserves it, it's the Branch Davidians. The least we could do for the bus full of children is a two parter episode.

[Austin Picard]

Absolutely. Especially since I didn't quite get to anything I intended to discuss.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, it's a hard thing, right? Because I'm telling you, I'm like, like, hey, tell us what the official story is. And then after that, I want you to start all the way over and tell us what your take on. It's. It's a big thing to unpack and I think it does deserve a two parter episode. You have our calendar, Austin. I think we're light this week. Go ahead and book again and let's make this a two parter. Are you down with that top? I think that's a good idea.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Austin Picard]

Awesome.

[David Lee Corbo]

Awesome. So we do have to bring it in for a landing now we got to get out and we got to go talk to Cheney. But. But Austin, we're gonna make this a two parter book this week and we'll get the other half done in a couple of days. But in the meantime, where can everybody find you?

[Austin Picard]

All right, guys, I appreciate you, you know, this, and nothing but love and respect. So you guys, everybody can find me at the Underclass podcast. It's basically available on all platforms. Definitely go subscribe to the YouTube, subscribe to the Rumble and. And then, yeah, follow me on Instagram at the Underclass podcast or on Twitter at Theater Thug. Awp.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right, all right. Perfect.

[Top Lobster]

Perfect.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, thank you, brother. It's always a great conversation, honestly. Somebody said it in the chat and this is not the first time we've got this, but somebody said that Austin should have a recurring series. Maybe we'll whip something up one day. But I appreciate not only you spending the time with us, but. But also the work that you put in. It's nice to. I'm a. I'm a surface level schizo. You know, I just, I look at something and then I ask, ask my. My gut if that resonates with me. And if my gut says yes, then I move towards it. And if it doesn't, I go. It's simply not for me. So I appreciate when somebody comes along and goes, I'm going to tenaciously, probably to my own detriment and in a way that would shock onlookers. I'm going to immerse myself in this content and I'm going to learn Everything that I can. The who, the what, the where, and the why of a situation. You do that very well, Austin, and so know I'm grateful for your time, and I'm grateful for the work that you put in, and I hope that people will go over and support your channel. I know you said that the first time that you ever made an appearance as a speaker was on the Sam Tripoli show, and I think that's because you have a promising future ahead of you when it comes to this information. There's no longer a mainstream media, Austin. We're the mainstream media now, so we got a lot of work to do, and I think you're just the man for the job. So I. I just wanted to say thank you, brother. Thank you for being here.

[Austin Picard]

Thank you, man. That means a lot to me.

[David Lee Corbo]

Top, do we got anything else?

[Top Lobster]

No. We'll be back in five minutes. All right, guys, we'll see you later. Obey, submit and comply. Thank you, Austin.

[David Lee Corbo]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a problem box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade us that what they see with their eyes is what there.

[Austin Picard]

Is to see.

[David Lee Corbo]

Because they'll act in.

[Austin Picard]

The face of an explanation that portrays.

[David Lee Corbo]

The bigger picture of what's happening.

[Austin Picard]

And they have.