167: Machine Elves, Biblical Timelines & The Demiurge w/ Cult of Conspiracy

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad Episode 167: Machine Elves, Biblical Timelines & The Demiurge w/ Cult of Conspiracy

Released on May 28, 2025 by TopLobsta Productions

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Introduction and Guest Overview

In Episode 167 of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts David Lee Corbo (also known as Raven) and Jonathan welcome their special guests from the Cult of Conspiracy podcast, Jacob and Jonathan. The episode delves deep into a myriad of topics intertwining conspiracies, biblical prophecies, alien theories, and the influence of secret societies on modern society.

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Kanye West’s Controversial Behavior and Symbolism

The conversation kicks off with an intense discussion about Kanye West's recent provocative actions, including his controversial use of swastika imagery and revelations about his past. Jonathan remarks on the stark contrast between Kanye's spiritual endeavors, such as his gospel album Jesus is King, and his provocative public statements.

• Jacob [04:39]: "He hasn't heard anything new from him since his gospel album though. So as he's releasing How Hitler and the Dick Sucking and talking about how he likes to be a cuck and letting other dudes just rail out his woman."

David adds a perspective on Kanye's admissions:

• David Lee Corbo [05:48]: "Maybe he's getting it out in front of it. And being that he was young and stupid and I don't know how young he was. I know his cousin was younger than him, so maybe that's something that they were going to hold against him."

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Theories on Control and Mind Manipulation

The hosts and guests explore the notion that influential figures and institutions may be manipulating public perception and behavior covertly. They discuss how media personalities, politicians, and educators might be complicit in maintaining societal control.

• Top Lobster [01:13]: "We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers."

Jacob emphasizes the collective impact of these manipulations:

• Jacob [04:39]: "We are being collectively owned by our government and by our elites. And that's what we're here to expose."

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Biblical Timelines and Prophetic Views

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to interpreting current events through the lens of biblical prophecy. The guests discuss the idea that modern-day occurrences may be fulfilling ancient prophecies related to the end times.

Jacob shares his beliefs about approaching end times:

• Jacob [33:11]: "I believe that we are rapidly approaching the end times... I feel like we are living in biblical end times."

They reference various prophecies and contemporary signs, such as the rebuilding of the temple in Judaism and shifts in political alliances, suggesting a convergence towards a prophesied culmination.

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Alien and UAP Theories

The episode delves into the realm of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) and alien encounters. Discussions include the nature of different alien races, their potential roles in human development, and recent UAP disclosures.

David Lee Corbo introduces various alien classifications:

• David Lee Corbo [59:15]: "They know for sure that there are four different alien breeds that they are in contact with and communicating with. I know that there was the Nordics, so the tall whites. There's also the little Grays. And they're aware of the Reptilians as well."

Another intriguing segment features a discussion about an alien egg retrieval story, reflecting on its implications for human-alien relations and manipulation.

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Secret Societies and Symbolism

A deep dive into the influence of secret societies like the Freemasons, Rosicrucians, and the Order of the Golden Dawn forms another critical segment. The hosts examine the symbolic language and rituals employed by these groups, suggesting their role in shaping societal norms and global events.

Top Lobster analyzes the Orphic Egg symbol:

• Top Lobster [69:31]: "The Orphic Egg is at the center of all these mystery schools because that's what they all believe is order out of chaos."

Jacob elaborates on the evolution and influence of these societies:

• Jacob [83:16]: "It's all encompassing... They can use it for both good and evil, depending on the intent."

They discuss how symbols like the pentagram and swastika have been co-opted over time, losing their original meanings and being repurposed for various agendas.

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Experiences with Alien Abduction and Rituals

Personal accounts of alien abductions and rituals are shared, highlighting the psychological and societal impacts on individuals involved. Stories like that of Travis Walton and Chris Bledsoe illustrate the long-term effects of such experiences.

David Lee Corbo recounts the Travis Walton case:

• David Lee Corbo [43:09]: "He was taken for five days, probed by alien entities, and then returned with no memory of the missing time, leaving his crew baffled and stigmatized."

The hosts debate the authenticity of these experiences, considering the possible manipulation and societal repercussions faced by those who come forward.

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Prophecy, Reality, and Spiritual Manipulation

In concluding discussions, the conversation shifts towards the interplay between prophecy and reality, questioning whether current events are naturally unfolding or being orchestrated by higher or spiritual entities. The hosts ponder the possibility of humanity being positioned within a larger, predetermined spiritual timeline that intertwines with traditional conspiracy theories.

Top Lobster synthesizes the discussion:

• Top Lobster [76:19]: "If you believe that God is sovereign and God created this realm, and then, then really... There is some class that exists at the upper echelons of things who has an agenda that is self-serving, but it's also dark in a very dark spiritual nature."

They explore the concept that secret societies and spiritual entities might be manipulating both events and symbols to guide humanity towards a specific outcome, aligning with or deviating from biblical prophecies.

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Conclusion

Episode 167 of Nephilim Death Squad offers a comprehensive exploration of how contemporary figures, secret societies, and alleged extraterrestrial influences intersect with biblical prophecies and spiritual doctrines. Through intense discussions and varied perspectives, the hosts and guests challenge listeners to reconsider the underlying forces shaping our reality.

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Transcript

[David Lee Corbo]

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[Jacob]

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[Jonathan]

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[Jacob]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going.

[Jonathan]

On is absolutely enormous.

[Jacob]

Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim shit.

[Top Lobster]

It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying shit. What happens to the home of the brave? Take control this now when no one's talking about how they made us f slaves and everybody's just walking around heading.

[David Lee Corbo]

The clouds and want to wake up.

[Top Lobster]

To a dead in the grave. But then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day. Everybody is slave.

[David Lee Corbo]

Only some are aware that the government.

[Top Lobster]

Releasing poison in the air. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, I would like to remind all of our live viewers that this is a 30 minute preview only. Sometime around the 30 minute mark we'll be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad where you can continue enjoying an ad free experience, engaging in the live chat and gaining early access to the episode before the general public. And you can do it all for free. Sign up for a seven day free trial and enjoy all the backlog content that we have, which is a ton. I think I told you guys the other day, for every one episode that we premiere, we record two to three episodes. So the math is in favor of the Patreon subscribers. Go to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad and enjoy. Also guys, don't forget to go to brogrove.com and pick up your Bohemian Grove tickets. They are officially on sale. That's Sam Tripley headlining, Owen Benjamin headlining. Tower Gang is going to be there. Shane Cashman, Nephilim Death Squad, and a ton of other people, including our upcoming guest that we're going to speak to in a moment, and that's brogrove.com. go and get those tickets or the Jews win. And you're gay. But you guys are already gay.

[Jonathan]

Introduce the guest, David. It's been seven minutes. Come on, man, let's go.

[Top Lobster]

Joining us today is Cult of Conspiracy. It is Jacob and Jonathan and I said that they're going to be there. They're actually going to be headlining our conspiracy round table discussion that we're going to have at the end of the first night. But before we get into all of that, Jacob, Jonathan, why don't you guys introduce yourselves for the audience who may not be familiar with you and where can they find your work? We could start with Jacob. I always say that so that people don't get confused because you start talking at the same time.

[Jacob]

Yeah, actually Jonathan's usually the one that gives us the ad read. So take it away, Jonathan. Tell them where they can find us.

[David Lee Corbo]

So yeah, we are the Cult of Conspiracy podcast. If you haven't heard of us, we do have a podcast. It's pretty much everywhere. You find your podcast at Cult of Conspiracy. We're also on Tick Tock, Patreon, Instagram, Twitter, all that fun jazz. Of course, all the video content is on Patreon, but if you just want to listen to the shows, just go check out Apple podcasts or Spotify or whatever. And we are up in there.

[Jacob]

Indeed, indeed. We cover everything as far as conspiracy is concerned, whether it be a religious ancient conversation, whether it be current modern day events, of the things going on, nothing's really off limits. Jonathan and I kind of attack things from very different vantage points. He being the very spiritual licensed hypnotherapist, you know, somebody who deals in more of the esoteric and the dark. Myself being a Marine Corps veteran and a Christian. And we, we look at things from a very different vantage point, but we always find that sweet gooey center that we get to and it, it usually ends with all of us agreeing that we are being collectively by our government and by our elites. And that's what we're here to expose.

[Top Lobster]

You know, that sweet gooey center. I'm speaking from experience. It's adrenochrome. Actually, when you dig deep enough, the, the sweet Gui center is adrenochrome. We were talking before the show started and we're gonna end up talking about aliens and things, because there has been some developments. There's been a sphere that's fallen out of the sky or something like that. But we were organically just talking about this whole Kanye situation before the show started. And I just kind of wanted to keep that going because it is a fascinating. Before this show started, I was bumping Life of Pablo, and I was listening to Jesus is King, which is Kanye's other album. And those things stand. I don't know if they stand in stark contrast to what he's doing now, but when we asked you guys what your thoughts on, you know, whatever Kanye's doing were, you said, which thing that Kanye's doing. Kanye's doing so many things. He's sucking his cousin's dick. He's. He's making. Heil Hitler. He's making a whole new album. Kanye has he selling swastika T shirts. I don't know which one to ask you about. I think I gotta ask you guys this. What are your thoughts on the. The cousin fellatio, the sucking of. Of Kanye West's cousin's dick?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I think. I mean, he was doing that whenever he was younger, and I think that that's probably one thing that he gave to the powers that Be. And that was like, you know, some kind of blackmail that they could have possibly used against him. So maybe he's getting it out in front of it. And being that he was young and stupid and I don't know how young he was. I know his cousin was younger than him, so maybe that was something that they were going to hold against him. And he's like Eminem just calling himself out.

[Jacob]

Maybe. It's very possible. It's very possible, right? Especially because more and more of the Diddy list is getting released almost on a weekly basis right now. Now, I'm not saying that Kanye, oh, Yeezus himself was ever, you know, in with the Diddy parties and all of that. I'm not saying that he wasn't either. What I am saying is that if we are in this season of exposure when it comes to the hip hop community, for him to get ahead of it in any way, shape and form, it seems like it's a. A clutch move. However, dot, dot, dot, maybe, you know, making a whole song about you sucking your cousin's dick as a kid isn't the best power play. But at the same time, I mean, like you said, the whole Jesus is King, his album, his gospel album, right? Yeah, I loved it. And I know when it came out, everybody was saying, oh, it's just for this. It's not real. It's all that people were talking on it in the moment. And me as a Christian, I' like, look, I get it and you're probably right. I'm hoping it's sincere and I'm hoping that he's seen the light and he's changing his life and all these things. Not gonna say the album's got bad music on it, but I mean, I've been listening to Kanye for quite some time, so I mean, it is what it is. I haven't heard anything new from him since his gospel album though. So as he's releasing How Hitler and the Dick Sucking and talking about how he likes to be a cuck and letting other dudes just rail out his woman. What's her name? Bianca.

[Top Lobster]

I don't know. I don't know which one he was talking about because I know the lyrics were. I think he said, yeah, I'm a cuck. I like when. I like when. When they. My something like that. But I don't know if he was talking about really just wonderful lyrics.

[Jonathan]

I think he was talking about the most recent one, which makes sense because like the relationship between him and her is. Is almost like she's a stand in for Kim. It's not really like his wife. It's just this person there exemplifying these horror, these horrific things that he's now showing us like that he's being accused of. It's what. It's an interesting character, I actually think.

[Top Lobster]

Because he always dragged her around, you know, so he's to say, I like it when people my really does align with his actions, which is walking around with her tits on display and she's wearing sheer clothing with not even underwear underneath. I never saw him treat her like a spouse. I always saw him treat her like this strange object that he was presenting to people. And in that way that's very. That's cuck behavior. So it's.

[Jacob]

It's on brand or dominant behavior as well. Right. So think about this. And I don't know, it depends on which side of the leash you're on as far as the BDSM community is concerned. But bringing around a woman or. Or a guy and depending on who gets down with what here, but kind of displaying her like collar and leash type situation and then letting a bunch of dudes rail her out later on, that's a power play in some way to some guys.

[Top Lobster]

No, especially if they're paying because then he's a pimp. Right now it's a whole different thing.

[Jonathan]

But what is any other girl? I mean, like, in today's society, these girls are out there just banging everybody anyway. And it's like when you come along and you bang, what. What are you. It's basically the same relationship that Kanye had with this girl. It's just like, that's not really his wife. Maybe there was, like, a contract, but, like, everybody saw it. It was just like, this is just a weird thing. He just has this lady along for the ride. She's a faker. Younger, bigger titted Kim Kardashian. And it's all performance. And it's like, that's why I'm struggling to figure out what I'm looking at. But what I'm sure that I'm seeing right now, there's a cultural significance to what he's doing. Like, he's taken. He's taken. We. We spoke about this the other day, but he's taken the crutch that the Jewish community has. You. So what they've done. And this has been. You can't even debate this. Which I get really mad when I see people like, I don't know, Dave Smith missing it, or like, people that are supposed to be actual, you know, actual political commentators or cultural commentators. They told him that we are going to take your kids and we're going to drug you into oblivion. And then they did it, like, right in front of our faces. The. The dentist that he had was just drugging him with nitrous to the point where that even comes up in the Hal Hitler song. He's drugging him with nitrous, and he's addicted to it. It's the same they did to Michael Jackson, but they did. They use Propofol. So they did that to him. And then he goes on Twitter and he goes DEFCON 3 on the Jews, and they like, oh, my gosh. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my. We have to debank it. It's like the retaliation is not proportionate ever in this relationship. From the Jews to Kanye.

[Jacob]

And now the fifth is Jewish. I must. I missed that one.

[Jonathan]

No, no, but it's. Well, Harley Pasternak was, who was at MK Ultra, so he's a Jew, but he works for MK Ultra in. In Canada. These are all like, you know, I don't know what you want to call it, if you want to call it Jews. Maybe he's like, a little misguided, but there is a power that be that is controlling these celebrities. They build them, they put them in a spot, they keep them there. And once they get off range, they.

[Top Lobster]

Kill them, they twist them. It's the same thing that. You see, we talked about this on Dangerous, where, like, the public perception of Britney Spears was that she was this psychotic who was having a meltdown, and she's just crazy, you know? And it was. It was like, flat out dismissal as crazy. And no conversation being had, at least at the time, about the wild pressures that the industry puts you under. And then you have all these different pressures from all these different angles. And finally, there's a straw that breaks the camel's back. It's an. Or rather, a gang of assholes chasing you around with a camera every single time you sit down for lunch with your family, every single time you go out for a fucking walk. And then these people have meltdowns. And you go, look at them. Look at these crazy people. It's like they're. They're dealing with something very different.

[Jonathan]

There's an external pressure applied. But, like, this is something that we didn't get to really touch on because it kind of got unveiled yesterday just as the show was ending or whenever we did this round, I lost track of time.

[Jacob]

But packages by Expedia, you were made to be rechargeable. We were made to package flights, hotels, and hammocks for less. Expedia. Made to travel.

[Jonathan]

So they do this to Kanye. He tweets. Then they do something else. They debank him. They take away his shoe deal. Then he puts up some symbolism. He puts up the Raelianism sign, which is a Star of David, inside the swastika. That's a whole nother rabbit hole. That's getting into aliens, that's getting into human cloning. That's real crazy. I don't know what it is. Elon Musk didn't like it, and he took him off of Twitter for that. So that's like, step two, symbolism. Step one, words. Tim Pool doesn't let him say words. Step two, symbolism. Elon Musk doesn't let him do symbolism. Step three, music. Now you're into what? Now he's using the craft that the Jews, for lack of better words, have taught him. This manipulation of sound or not, not.

[Top Lobster]

Taught him, but, like, selected him for, like, that was the talent that he had.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, listen, they. You do. You do niggas with attitude, and it changes an entire culture of black people, white people, everybody. This is so. This is. It's a tool used. It's a form of mind control. And now he's done that to them with, you know, with this hail Hitler thing. He's taken their security blanket, which is things like the Holocaust. Things like. Oh, my God, Hitler. Things like the N word. I mean, he's using all of this stuff. He's just broken the taboo. It's fantastic to watch because now everybody is saying it. It's going to be synonymous with black culture soon. Hitler is going to be synonymous with black culture. Tiny mustache, the swastika. He has completely taken all of his symbols, 100%. This is what black people do.

[Jacob]

I hear you. I hear you. But Kanye is not being seen positively by the black community, and he hasn't for quite some time. Do you think he's still got enough juice in the tank to sway the African American culture in that way at this time?

[Jonathan]

You have not heard this song. Okay, okay, These. They're going to be twerking and Roman saluting. You don't understand. You don't understand black people. Like, in the summer, the way this. When this beat drops, people like, oh, and they. And it's. It's over.

[Top Lobster]

I'm not. Underestimate Kanye's ability to make some cool. Yeah, okay. Never underestimate black people's ability to be attracted to shit that is cool. Like if it's funky, if it's fucking cool, if he manages to pull it off, then 100%, they're going to gravitate towards it. They appreciate, you know, art. If it's good, that's it.

[Jonathan]

Here's the crazy timing of it. So all that stuff is lining up, and he's. He's moving. He's take. Because the swastika was like an Indian symbol symbol. And before that, it was something else. And before that was the symbol.

[Top Lobster]

It's like. And it's procession as. As the, you know, flat plane turns or whatever.

[Jonathan]

Dope, powerful logo. And Hitler took it, used it. He's taking it. I can guarantee you he's a master brander. He's going to take that, rebrand it, and it's going to be synonymous with black culture or rap or whatever he feels like putting it on. The Jews have now lost that power of their crutch that they hit you over the head with. And. And now we have Donald Trump saying that he is cutting off relationships with Netanyahu. This is like the day after I said I tweeted a joke, I was like, it looks like. It looks like Trump listened to Hell Hitler and. And just decided to destroy his. His golden beeper.

[Jacob]

Because, man, Netanyahu, we got an American pope in this. Like, yo, we don't Even need that guy anymore.

[Top Lobster]

It's changing. I want to play this for you guys. Let me play this because. Because you just said this is. On the topic of whether or not black people with Kanye west listen to this. And this is, you know, however many years ago, maybe the 90s.

[Jonathan]

Yeah. Crowd like.

[Jacob]

That group. I've had a group I've had quite a few run ins with the Sakari.

[Jonathan]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. The black Israelites are real fun. Real fun to bump into in New York City.

[Jacob]

They are hilarious. I. And it's still a dream of mine to get a loud and proud member of the Nation of Islam and. And a loud and proud member of the Sakari and have them just go head to head to see which one's the true religion of black people while they're both holding and wearing pyramid sigils. Never mind the fact that nobody black built the fucking pyramids. But whatever. I guess we forgot that Egyptians aren't black. Whatever.

[Top Lobster]

I'm waiting. The re. The way reality is structured lately, the way that the theater has been unfolding lately. I am totally open to the idea that five years from now, some series of things will happen where the world will accept, like, oh, black people have been the Jews the entire time. And I'm looking forward to that if that happens. That's the greatest twist in. In plot twist history.

[David Lee Corbo]

I actually just saw a video of this black woman saying that all red haired people are actually black. Like, she goes, it's like all red haired. You got the freckles. They're just albino. They're. They're really black people. Y' all just don't know it. And I was like, dude, what if that is real? Like how, How.

[Jacob]

Ireland is black.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. Yes. I want it to be real so badly. Look, I. I tend to look at Kanye and what he does maybe a little bit more graciously than a lot of other people because I do believe that he wrestles with God. I do believe that he. He loves Jesus. And I'm watching a man who I think has an actual conviction for the Lord. There you go. All the redheads are black.

[Jonathan]

Jesse, the redhead libertarian. But the black person.

[Top Lobster]

Yo, Brock, really nailed that one too. That really nailed that one. So. So I do think. I tend to err on the side that Kanye is a guy who is up in the head, who does love Jesus, who has an actual fire for the Lord, but is run through a gambit that you and I will never understand. And that is the upper echelons of Hollywood in the music industry. So when I see him, you know, admitting that he sucked his cousin's dick. I can't help but look at it through the lens of was he inspired? This is gonna sound so up. I gotta stop. I actually almost just said some crazy.

[Jonathan]

I want to hear it. I want to hear it.

[Top Lobster]

You gotta understand, the guy, let me cook. Can I cook? Was he inspired by Jesus? And not that. That's not what I mean. What I mean is, when Jesus says, no man takes my life, I lay it down willingly, right? Or, Or I give it freely. There is something about a man who's willing to walk, you know, to his death. I mean, you know, in Jesus's case. But there's something else to be said about a man who, who willingly gives the weapon that is effective against him to his enemies. And his enemies are the world.

[Jacob]

Right?

[Top Lobster]

So it's like, in that way. I'm not saying that. I, I'm wondering if that informed his thought process. I'm wondering if Kanye west made that decision to give that revelation in that spirit. And we'll never know, obviously. But I do think that he is. I don't think he's a Christian. I. I don't think that. I think he's a flawed man and he's a sinner and he's. But I think I just described myself too, right? And so in that way, all I'm doing is measuring my trespassings against his trespasses, things. But I do think that.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think that it's a massive level up when Christians start to accept Kanye as a possible somebody that's here to help. Like, that is wild. But I love it because I think you're supposed to, you know, just respect and accept everybody. And if he, you know, devoted his life and his heart and everything to Jesus, and, I mean, hey, you should be able to accept him like that. But what a weird cluster of a thought there, though. I, I mean, I, I appreciate it, actually. I kind of go into the, to the realm of. I believe that he's some kind of mechanical, like, machine elf. Like, it just makes like there's no way any, anybody who's ever seen a machine elf or anything like that on Ayahuasca or dmt. I personally haven't, but I. You hear stories and they're all pointing at you. They're all laughing at you. You don't even know why you have. Yeah, you have no idea why they're laughing at you. And it's because you take yourself too seriously. And it's not even so much that you take Yourself too seriously. It's that you take this life so seriously, and they are laughing hysterically that you don't know that it's all one big illusion in the first place. And so I think that Kanye is part of that mechanism. I think that he probably just broke out. Terrence, Terence McKenna was talking about how, you know, in the future, things are just going to get weirder and weirder and weirder. And I think that we're starting to see a little bit of a bleed through. And Kanye might be one of the very first machine elves that have made it into the physical realm.

[Top Lobster]

I like that.

[Jacob]

I think it's weaponized autism, honestly.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, well, I mean, maybe.

[Jacob]

I mean, the man is a wordsmith, and you cannot. You cannot deny his talent for making music that fucking hits, right? And fair. But I mean, to the point to where even south park had a whole. A whole episode about fish dicks, right? It got so well known that he even made a song calling them out for it, calling himself a gay fish. And because of the episode, like, most rappers are not gonna work in a South park joke into their next song. But, I mean, Kanye's here for all the. And all the smoke. I think that when you operate at that high of a level, I'm not going to say of genius necessarily, but musical prodigy in some way, shape or form.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, 100.

[Jacob]

There's no way that you're able to live a normal life. Now, I'm not saying that that should give him levity to do all this wild he's doing, but also, like you said, he's all right. And put it like this, right? Let's say you have a Fortune 500 CEO and. Or even a pastor, right? Whatever. And one of his enemies, somebody who doesn't like him, whatever, is like, hits him up and it's like, hey, I'm about to release a bunch of about you. I'm about to tell people about your past. I'm about to tell people what you were doing in college and whatever else. Packages by Expedia. You were made to be rechargeable. We were made to package flights, hotels, and hammocks for less Expedia. Made to travel. Should the pastor try to pay an extortion fee to silence them? Should the Fortune 500 CEO send out a hitman to silence this? Or should he get ahead of it and expose himself and be like, look, y' all, it's true. Once upon a time, I was a piece of. Once upon a time, I sucked my cousin's dick. And it's not like he's like saying, yeah, I did it. It's so cool. It's more like, yo, I grew up in a very abusive home. My dad was a Black Panther, and my family life wasn't the best. And so, yeah, my cousin assaulted me at a young age or something like that.

[Top Lobster]

If you listen to the context of it, it's actually horrifying. He talks about how this is something that they did because they were exposed to porn magazines way too early. And then he says that when he finally drew the line in the sand and said, I'm no longer going to suck you, deck your dick, his cousin went to prison. His cousin, like, murdered a woman, like, right after that, and. And then went to prison or some crazy like that. And so the context through which Kanye's, you know, revealing this story is one of, like, trauma and also remorse because I think he suspects it's his fault that his cousin did those horrible things and then went to prison for the rest of his life.

[Jonathan]

But is there. Is there. What's. What's giving me pause about this? Because it's like, how much. How much am I going to attribute to genius? How much am I going to attribute to just luck? And then how much of this is a plan? Because when you sacrifice your mom, Donald. Well, that's.

[Jacob]

Could be all the above, dog. Could be a weird up juggling act of all the above.

[David Lee Corbo]

The line. The line between Jesus and crazy is very blurred and very close. So I think that's probably really what's going on. You talk to any, like, Gene, like, Elon Musk is one of the weirdest people to ever exist.

[Jacob]

You said genius. You said Jesus.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, Jesus or genius?

[David Lee Corbo]

Genius.

[Jacob]

You said the line between Jesus and crazy is very thin. You meant the line between genius and.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I was gonna say even that's not an overstretch because, you know, the world would look at Jesus and, And object. Right? And then it's. But it's.

[Jonathan]

It's.

[Top Lobster]

He's doing what is meant to be done. And what is.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, I mean, look at the right thing to do. Look at the story of Jesus and. And think of that. If we didn't have that story about that prophecy being fulfilled, if somebody did that now, I don't know if I wouldn't be like the Pharisees. Like, this guy's out here just like. And he's like, actively speaking against everything that you believe, saying that there's something new. It's a. It's a wild. It's a wild thing. I understand why they, you know, most people were not a fan of that, you know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, but, yeah, but we're talking about hateful things and, and I don't, I don't know if, you know, Jesus was going around making fun of other people for, you know, their, their people dying in the past and stuff like that. Like this guy is a hate fueled individual and maybe he's doing it just for laughs, maybe he's doing it for clicks. But I think that there's actually something broken within him. I think if you look at him, he's, if he's a window, all those pieces have been shattered and all the shards are just going everywhere. And this is typical, like schizophrenic ideology is what's going on with, with him. And, and that was definitely brought on by MK Ult, the crazy that he's had to go through within the music industry, within Hollywood, with, with dating Kim Kardashian. Like, there's something that has cracked within him and now all of these personalities has formed into this, like, whatever the Kanye is. And it's almost like, like, like demiurge God level type that he's like thinking of him of his own self. If you think about it that way, like, if you ever looked into the Demiurge, it kind of resembles Kanye in a sense.

[Jacob]

Wasn't it only a few years back where he was broke, like, had $2 to his name?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah. He was in like, I think $3 million of debt or some like that, something wild.

[Jacob]

And then he's bounced back from that and is now selling swastika hoodies.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

Again, the man is operating at a genius level that I don't think we can even fully understand. But with you also on that top, I don't think that that is a, that shouldn't be a pass for all the wild that he's doing. But I mean, again, how much of it is for the, for the, the clicks? How much of it is because he truly believes these things? How much of it is him trying to get ahead of it before it can damage him? I don't know.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I don't think that any of it is for the clicks. I think, I think at the root of it, there's a couple of things at the root of it, right? I mean, like the trauma of losing your mom. He seems to think he sacrificed her. The trauma of marrying into a coven of witches. I'm sure that has something to do with it, but he has at the root of it this love for Jesus. But then there's this Other part of Kanye, which is not Christ, like, at all. And I enjoy it, I'm not gonna lie. And that is when somebody won't stop calling you a monster. At what point do you stop debating them and reasoning and defending yourself?

[Jonathan]

What people do to us, like on, on this show, they're like, oh, you're a Christian. You just told me to suck your dick. And I was like, well, yeah, because you kind of asked me to do that. Like, you're, yeah, you're coming to me in this. Like, you don't believe what I believe at all. You're, you're like a horrible person deep down inside. Like, you can tell when you're talking to somebody that is, like, truly, like, coming to you with malice and has no morals or guidelines, but they want you to abide by the morals and guidelines that they have made up for you. And I said, no, no, no. When I say I'm a Christian, it means that I think that Jesus, I believe that Jesus came here. He was the son of God. He died for our sins and resurrected. That's what I think a Christian is. I look at what he did, I look at how he lived. I know I'm not him. And I try to do that, like, within my personal life. But if you're gonna come to come at me like crazy and sideways, I'm gonna like, I'm gonna tear you a.

[Top Lobster]

New suck my dick.

[Jonathan]

But then when I see, when I see Kanye doing this stuff, and again, I don't like to compare all this stuff. Like, is he a Christian? Is he not? I don't really know what he's doing, but what it looks like is he's playing this, like, weird character. And to call him broken, I think is, I think it's, it's stupid because we're looking at somebody who has moved the culture in such a significant way. Like, as I said, right now you have on the world stage Donald Trump, who was just blowing Netanyahu for the last eight years. He was like, we're done. He said, we're not taking any meetings, any more meetings with this guy. This comes a day after the release of that song, which is going to shift the Overton window on these people. Is it good? Is it bad? I don't know. But he's been effective. He's been effective at exactly what he's doing. It looks like hate filled rhetoric and it, it, I don't know, you could call it that if you want, but it's been effective. And what they've been doing to him and let me ask you this legit question here. The people that are in the music industry that are still feeding into all this, the ones that are creating gangster rapper showing their butthole for, you know, for a couple of shekels, are they worse off, like, mentally than Kanye west, who's kind of now doing that? By now he's doing this by himself, but not because somebody told him to. So I'm like, I'm having a hard time, like picking up these pieces and seeing what the hell is really going on here.

[David Lee Corbo]

The thing is, is that Kanye believes that he's been liberated from all of that, but he really hasn't. It's all the MK Ultra programming that he's had to gone through that's morphed him into this, into this creature. Like, this guy is absolutely not liberated at all.

[Jacob]

Ye.

[David Lee Corbo]

I mean, he's so fractured that he's still. He's. He's doing Hollywood Times a Thousand is really what he's doing. He's not back to original Kanye, just regular, regular dude or anything like that. He is Hollywood Times a Thousand. This is Hollywood in a hundred years. Probably less with the information age and with, you know, the, the. The technology age that we're, that we're living in. I. It wouldn't surprise me if this is the new normal type of Hollywood kind of character in 20 years.

[Jacob]

But I also see, like you said as far as the whole, like the, the shifting of the culture, right? Is he worse off than the guys that are currently, like, let's say Lil Nas X, Right. He broke out with, you know, Old.

[Top Lobster]

Old Town Road for a country song for kids kind of.

[Jacob]

Then two albums later, if I'm not mistaken, he released Satanic Shoes with Blood in the Souls and all these things, right?

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[Jacob]

To answer your point, is Kanye worse off than these guys? Give these guys 20 years and see what the fuck they look like and what they're admitting to and what they're saying out loud.

[Top Lobster]

If you give these motherfuckers 20 years, they won't be relevant in 20 years. Kanye has this incredible staying power that is really remarkable. But let me ask you guys this. Given that thing, that top just highlighted where now there's a falling out between Trump and Netanyahu. And given obviously the whole JQ thing, this is something that we talk about.

[Jonathan]

Quite a lot bigger than that. Like he has a. He's made. There are some stipulations for the nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia where they have to have. They have to normalize besides denuclearizing or not? Not. Not trying to achieve nuclear bombs. They have to maintain or create a stable relationship with Israel that has been taken off the table. And really? Yeah. One of his higher up advisors was set for a trip to Israel and he's no longer going. So I'm like, that's, that's serious. Pete Hegseth. Sorry, Pete Hegseth was supposed to go to Israel like tomorrow and that's not happening. So I'm like, something is fucking going down. Well, you're looking at the Shabbat Lubovitch and they were writing to Trump begging him to implement Noahide laws. And he was like, maybe I'll hear about it. And people like, oh my God, we're moving. We have anti Semitism laws on the books in Florida pretty much everywhere now. This happened and it was like a fucking knife swing gone. And I'm like, I don't know what to. I don't know what is happening right now, but when I saw that song and I saw Kanye do it, I was like, that's significant. And is he crazy? Maybe? Is he a genius? Maybe. I don't know. But this is. There's something going on here that we're shifting hard in another direction.

[Top Lobster]

Well, there's another question to be asked here. And given that everything that we just highlighted and then given how it fits in conjunction with prophecy about the world turning on Israel, I, you know, there's a couple of questions after that, if you notice that correlation. The question becomes, are they manufacturing prophecy to give you this idea that you're somewhere in the biblical timeline where you're not, or is this actually this massive swing that is, you know, it's happening on a spiritual level and it's moving in a direction that's predetermined to a certain extent. And are we going in a place where we can't stop it?

[Jacob]

And.

[Top Lobster]

And that's been a lot of where my head's been at lately. And it's interesting because I kind of err on the side of like, we can't stop it. There seems to be something in order for me to say that somebody is orchestrating Kanye and Trump and Netanyahu and this, all this, like, it's too big for an individual. So that's when I start to go spiritual. I think that the puppet strings exist in the spiritual realm. And if that is the case, then wherever we're moving, we're going there. And I don't think it's going to be stopped.

[David Lee Corbo]

So somebody. I'm sorry, go ahead.

[Jacob]

So not to, to your point about the whole, are we in a biblical timeline or something like that? And I am not trying to be a doomsday person saying the end is nigh. However, dot dot dot in the final days, Israel is going to be attacked and no one is going to help them.

[David Lee Corbo]

Right.

[Jacob]

America and Israel have been locked the in. Blood ties, locked the in. We currently are not to answer your question about like, what would happen if. Yeah, I believe that we are rapidly approaching the end times. Not to mention they are trying to get together another Sanhedrin. They just elected a new high priest like Caiaphas was when Jesus was murdered. They just got a guy to be the new high priest of all Judaism. They're still trying to rebuild the temple. I understand that, but it wouldn't shock me if that's not completed in the next five or ten years. I, I feel like we are living in biblical end times. Hypothetically, possibly, and I'm excited for it, but I know that I'm in the minority as far as that's concerned.

[Top Lobster]

There's a weird prophecy, by the way, just to mention real quick, Pope Leo. There's a prophecy of Pope Leo that sometimes people like, they'll kind of conflate with the prophecy of, of Malachi, St. Malachi, of the, of the idea of the last Pope. But this guy, Pope Leo, which is the name of the, the Pope that we just got, but his predecessor that, that carries his, you know, his namesake, had a prophecy that said something. It was more or less like, you know, revelation type of prophecy. It was all the same thing. The return of Christ, the destruction of, of this realm, this planet, the death of countless people. And it's just interesting because that guy is known specifically for that prophecy. And now we've just put in a new pope by the same name. So. Fascinating, but go ahead.

[Jacob]

He's American. He's American. And the whole thing about the end time prophecy, the beast and the harlot, so many people have believed that the Antichrist will be American. I'm not saying the Pope Leo is going to be. I'm just saying there's weird, very weird mile markers that are all coming up around the same time. You know, make of that what you want.

[David Lee Corbo]

So as somebody who is in the minority in this chat, I am not religious at all. I didn't grow up that way. I'm, I'm. No judgment either way, but I have a different perspective on this and so that I, I can kind of see it from another lens. So to say I'm actually somebody that believes that they're carrying out the eschaton. I think that this is something that they are, it has been in. I don't think that the Bible, I don't think that the, the rulers that be see the Bible as some sort of spiritual book. I mean maybe they did long ago, but I think that the people that have all access to all of the forbidden documents and all the, that's, you know, in the underne Vatican and all that kind of stuff, I think that they, they've known that this was less of a spiritual book and more of a blueprint about how to manipulate people in some kind of way. And so whenever you're saying oh it was divine prophecy, could it have just been a plan that they like scheduled a long time ago and it's taken this long to carry out? And so whenever they do see that third temple being built and people are seeing it as divine prophecy, they're like oh yeah, all right. And in the mind it's, it is in a sense like an MK Ultra kind of thing if you really think about it. Because if you see the third temple being built, you know the end times are coming around, right? And so they use it almost as a symbol to like, it's like a code word. They're sending you a code and they're like all right, now it's the time, now you need to act accordingly. And it was a plan all along. I, that's my own personal to bolster that.

[Top Lobster]

Jonathan. They have a, A, a, a farm where they are sourcing genetically modified red heifers.

[Jonathan]

And they have like a little Jewish guy with the magnifying glass and they're showing us he's studying the heifers. It's like what the man.

[Top Lobster]

I go back and forth on that because I do think that there is an effort and I could see the very way, the very many ways in which prophecy is being executed by man. And then that begets the question is, is it still prophecy if it's executed by a man? If there's a long term plan to get these things done, is it still prophetic? But that's a good reason that I start to err on the, on the side of prophecy is because it becomes so large. And this is actually going to bring us straight into our next topic which I didn't realize how well these married together. It's so large that you could never retribute. Go to toplopsa.com pick up your entire red heifers that you, I, I now struggle to attribute that level of control and that level of orchestration to human beings. And I know that the elites of back in the day were a lot better than their filthy rich offspring, who kind of are fumbling the ball in very many ways, but I still don't know that I could attribute that. And part of the reason is because we are now rolling towards barreling towards this UAP disclosure. And this UAP disclosure, at the heart of it, has a narrative. And that narrative is they are our saviors and they're saving us from two things. One is this low vibrational state. They want us to ascend, right? They want us to evolve spiritually. That's always what you get from these grays and everything. If they do talk to you or these ascended masters that people channel, or the eniad, that buharij and everybody else is channeled, it's always like, you know, a humanity has to ascend. But the other thing is they're going to save us from a cataclysm, this massive cataclysm that's coming if we don't avoid this. This is going. And sometimes that manifests as, like, mutually assured nuclear destruction, but the narrative changes sometimes. And now we talked to somebody recently. Her name is Fringe. She's an abductee victim. And she was floored when we told her that there's a message that they're always giving us. And she said, yeah, there is a message that they gave us. And I said, what is it? She said, polar shift. Now, Elon Musk is concerned about a polar shift. That's actually why he wants to go to Mars. Anybody who doubts that, go to Twitter. Type in Elon Musk. Polar shift. The video is the first one that pops up in the search bar. It's him on the Nelk Voice podcast talking about how we have to get to be a interplanetary species because something bad's gonna happen here. And then he lets slip the phrase polar shift. So all of that to say, I do think there's a lot of evidence that suggests that spiritual entities are trying to convince us a calamity is coming and trying to convince us that we can ascend. But this calamity, if it is a polar shift, and by the way, people are now noticing magnetic north and magnetic south are no longer located over geographical north and south. If the magnetosphere becomes destabilized, that's how you get your polar shift. And I'm kind of wondering, are they trying to avoid the tribulation? Because in the tribulation, it talks about mountains being flattened and, and islands being submerged and all this crazy. I mean, it's a worldwide cataclysm. And a polar shift would look very much like that. So there's all this, this game, this con, is so massive that even if they are orchestrating it, are they orchestrating it or are they just preparing for something that seems to be inevitable and they're rebranding it, they're calling it a polar shift, they're calling it this, they're calling it that. Mutual mutually assured nuclear destruction, whatever. But these aliens, these ascended masters, this eniad, whatever, they're going to save us and we're going to ascend. And to me, it sounds like they're trying to avoid what's actually coming, which may well be the fulfillment of prophecy. And those, those things, whether or not they're faking it and whether or not it's real, they cross over so much, and it's so big and it's so intertwined, it's very hard to parse apart.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's. It's difficult because you, you wonder how many people have to be in on the lie. Like, how many people have to be a part of the illusion to, to, to. To the masses in that sense. And I just point to NASA, like, that's all you need to. Like, it's so compartmentalized. You're going to have people that absolutely believe, you know, the end is nigh, and they're carrying it out because they, they're, they're being led by Christ or whatever. Right. But then you're going to have other people, the people within the know, the compartmentalized few that know that this is not that and that it could. It. I'm, I'm not here to say that it isn't that. I'm just saying that, like, you got to look at it from all these different angles. I do believe in a lot of the people that are, that are the, the military whistleblowers as far as the UFO kind of stuff is going on. And they, they're not all saying that. They all, like, great. Some of them say, oh, yeah, they, they pose no threat and they just seem to be some kind of other life force or whatever. You hear about certain abduction stories. We've covered quite a few of them here on the show here lately. But one of my favorite abduction stories is Chris Bledsoe, and he believes that he is literally seeing these angelic type beings and that he's getting messages from them and stuff.

[Jacob]

So is he abducted?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah. Well, he got regressed because there was like, A lot of time missing. So he got hypnotically regressed to recover a lot of that information. And yeah, he, he was definitely taken for like four or five hours or something like that. And so, and, and just yesterday, actually, we covered. Was it yesterday or day before yesterday? Either way, we ended up covering a story about Travis Walton. Have you guys ever heard of Travis Walton?

[Top Lobster]

He was one of the, like, real old school abductee victims.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was back in 1975. They actually made a movie called Fire in the Sky.

[Top Lobster]

It was him and his wife, right?

[Jonathan]

Oh, that's about him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, in the sky is about him. Of course they Hollywoodized it. And he's gone on. He's gone on like Joe Rogan and other podcasts talking about his experience and about how Hollywood may have, you know, taken some liberties at making it more Hollywood esque.

[Top Lobster]

But I remember that one dude, he.

[David Lee Corbo]

Was gone for five days. It was him and him and all of his co workers, they were out logging and I guess they saw this giant light in the sky and he was really curious and a lot of his buddies, they ended up getting really scared and they were telling him, dude, don't go closer to it. Don't go closer to it. And so he's just like, like a, like a, like a fly to a bug zapper. Just, just so mesmerized by it. He goes, he goes really close to it and ends up getting zapped because of its frequency or whatever it was. Yeah, all of his buddies saw that. They hightailed out of there, like left their homeboy there.

[Top Lobster]

They abandoned him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, this is in 1975. He was only 22 years old. And everybody that was also in the crew, they were all, all of them were in their twenties. Even the leader was like the, the crew leader was only 28.

[Jonathan]

This is the story where they thought like they killed him or something like that because he was gone.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I think they thought he was because he. After that, he's gone. They left him for dead. Like, they left him for dead for five days. They left him for dead.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, and, and that's the thing. And so they, they saw that he got like zapped back from, from the energy or from the light from the saucer or whatever. And so they got out of there. Whenever they went back, they said he was gone. And so everybody was saying that, like, oh my God, these guys killed this guy. And you know, they sent out search parties and helicopter, military got involved and, and everything trying to find this guy. And then five days later, he just Shows back up and he calls his, his brother in law from a pay phone and he's like, look, I, I don't know where I've been. I got this crazy story. He's like super shooketh. And, and the story gets really strange because it goes from those guys that. His logging crew, it goes from those guys being considered murderers to now they're all telling the same exact story. Like they all saw that there was this UFO in the sky. They all saw that he got like zapped and pushed back. And they, they know that he was kind of taken from them. And so he's kept his story like we're talking about 50 years, almost 50 years now that, that that's happened. And, and he still says the same exact thing. And he believes. Well, I mean he had to get hypnotically regressed because there was a lot of missing time. He said, yeah, he was gone for five days, but he can only remember like a couple hours worth of it, right? So he ends up getting hyp regressed and he's able to tell the whole story. He talked about how they, they took him up onto the ship, they put him on this operating table, they were probing him and prodding him and, and everything like that. And he was like really scared because he's looking at these three or four foot tall little gray aliens, right? And they're like super like kid, like and fragile, like how small they are and everything.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And, and he's like super scared shitless as one would be in front of an alien. And so he like pushes them away and I guess they, they healed him from whatever zapped him initially and they just let him go back. And that's, it's one of the most controversial stories of all time. But the, but the thing is, what makes it so fascinating is that all of the witnesses, they all saw it. Like the whole logging crew, they all saw it and so much so that like, they'll, they'll hook them up to like a one of those polygraph like lie detector tests and everything. They all passed it except for one of the guys. It came back like inconclusive because he.

[Top Lobster]

Was like, I don't know what I saw. Yeah, he didn't come back though. Those dudes would have been in prison or like somebody would have been criminalized, they would have been prosecuted. Somebody would have been in prison for the, you know, the missing man or, or murdering this man or what the ever. Like, I can't imagine that, you know, you, you, you're, you know, you know the truth, you know, you know what you saw. Not only does nobody believe you, but they're giving a totally different story where your ass is about to go to prison and then all of a sudden your homie returns.

[Jonathan]

Like, that's probably a lot more common throughout, like, the history of mankind than we like to admit. You know, like weird stuff like this happening that just can't be substantiated. And, you know, like, that never come. The guy never comes back and you're like.

[David Lee Corbo]

And the company was just like, they thought that he was just trying to skate on the contract. I think they were set to make like 1500 bucks or something like that, which was a fair amount more money back then than it is now. But, I mean, that's what I was saying. I made the point in the episode of like, dude, if you're going to make up a lie to try and collect the money on a contract and you don't have to do the work or it's the reason why you're. You're late getting the job done, you're not going to make up a alien abduction story.

[Jacob]

You know, there was a family of mountain lions that came into the woods where we were logging and we couldn't continue. That's why we're behind schedule. You would be a normal human being adult about this story.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, I had to call my job once and say, I. I'm not going to be in. I don't know what time I'm gonna be in this morning. And they were like, why? It's a black bear just hanging out by my car door. Will not leave. Like, no matter how much I yell at the black bear, it's just looking at me like I'm a dummy and a snack and it's not going anywhere. And it ended up leaving, like, literally five minutes later. I do believe I milked that, though. And I didn't show up for like another two hours. But yeah, there's. There's easier, though.

[Jacob]

You gotta cover your ass.

[Top Lobster]

Oh, yeah, I gotta.

[Jacob]

And it's like, boss man, what you want me to do? There's a bear, but you're not going to tell your boss. Sorry. One of my homeboys was abducted last night. I don't think I'm going to be making it into the office this morning. Like, no. And then that company suffered heavily because no one's going to want to hire the loggers who were late on a contract because of an alien story. So it's like, no one benefited from this story going this way. Yeah, this guy wrote a book about it later, it wasn't like a bestseller by any means. And yeah, he. There was a movie made about it afterwards. It was. They only made I think gross 4 million to the profit on that. And he got like maybe a 1% cut. I mean, it's.

[Top Lobster]

For the money. He did it for the money. He did it for the fame.

[Jonathan]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Very similar kind of circumstance of Chris Bledsoe. You know, like Chris Bledsoe, he. He had this booming business. He was like building houses and everything. And all of a sudden this crazy happens to him and now this story is attached to him and nobody. And he had like a lot of. I think he had some kind of IBS type problem or something like that, which he believes the aliens actually healed from or for nice. And, and. But yeah, I mean he, he like his life went to. After that. Like all of his family was like saying, oh, you know, your daddy's talking to the, to the little demons and talking to the devil and you need to stay away from us. And so he got really segregated. And so I tend to believe people like that who almost fall upon even harder times as a result of this story. You wouldn't say that it to like think about the wedge that it put between just him and his family members. You know, that's why I'm more inclined to believe this kind of because the. Okay, maybe you become a little bit popular. Maybe they put you in a movie, maybe they write a book, maybe you start selling little bobblehead dolls or something like that. But on that's.

[Top Lobster]

That's surface level mostly calling you. They're calling you a lying like over and over again.

[Jonathan]

This is like. So I'm actually. We're going to end the stream to the, the pores right now in a second, but I want to talk about Bohemian girl before we do. But think about the. Just the apostles. Like Jesus deposits anybody who comes in contact with the supernatural. And I think that aliens can be safely classified under the supernatural at this, in my perspective at least as like some sort of angelic entity. Now as you're saying like Chris Blesso. So an angelic entity, is it, is it a one from God or is it one that's fallen? I don't know. But you know, even the apostles who were in contact with an angelic entity, these guys got crucified upside down. I mean they got. These guys were beheaded, murdered, flayed. But you know, now I'm about to go on vacation to an island called St. Thomas. So there's like, there's this weird thing that goes on, like, where initially it's like, really bad for you, but then it kind of turns out you become infamous because you've touched the. You've touched the other side in a meaningful way.

[Jacob]

So, yeah, St. Thomas, the spot where the kids would get stopped off for Epstein island, too.

[Jonathan]

Oh, I'll go. I'll go snorkel that. Check it out.

[Jacob]

Although, man, I gotta say, I must be a part of the minority. And I'm finding this out more and more every day. As a Christian who believes that aliens are not angelic or demonic, they're just aliens. Apparently, I am a part of a very, very small minority.

[Top Lobster]

I've learned this small minority. I think that the Grays are. Are biomix. I think that we make them. I think we make them at the commission of. Of spiritual entities that inspire us to do things like they always have.

[Jonathan]

And this is what. This is what Bohemian Grove is going to be about.

[Top Lobster]

Yes. Yeah, Actually, we have something huge. Guys, go to Brogrove Stories, all these.

[Jonathan]

Stories that you're talking about right there. We're gonna have a separate room that's going to be filled with merch. So, guys, bring your merch. It will have a confessionals booth. So you'll go in there. We're going to set up some sort of a GoPro with a ring light. And you can go in there and do your own confessional. Tell the people your experience. It could make it into the documentary that we're going to be filming. There's going to be a documentary film crew inside of this theater. It's going to be ridiculous here, guys. I. I haven't. We haven't even told you guys about it. And. And you guys will be performing. Jacob and Jonathan will be, I think. I'm not sure how, like, the order of events will go just yet, but it's definitely going to be the first day. You will be hosting the Conspiracy Roundtable. So, completely up to you, who you want on that stage, the frequency in which you pull them up or pull them off. You have full reign.

[Top Lobster]

Don't pull them off.

[Jonathan]

I want you guys have. Have somebody on the side with a long hook, and when you're done, just be like this guy. Get him and pull them off. Yeah, here's the place. Let's pull up. I'm gonna present you this screen here.

[Top Lobster]

Because Leesburg, at the Tropic Theater in. In Leesburg, Florida. We're doing it. You guys were at the last one. Were you at the first one? No. You're at the last one. Yeah.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, this is not like last time. This is. No, this is a whole nother thing. This is a great. Hold on. How do I. How do I share screen? Okay. Boom, here we go. So here's a video of it really quickly. This is David talking over it, but this is the theater. It's a 240 person seat theater. We're gonna have stage. Yeah. The stage is set up like we might have some sort of props like that, but we want to use this like living room set and then that can be turned around to make like a brick background to create all kind of ambiance. We have professional lighting. Professional. Pretty much everything. It's gonna.

[Top Lobster]

It's gonna be awesome, man. It's gonna be awesome. It's a totally different thing that. Remember last time, Jacob, was it you that almost fell off the stage because the stage was so small that the leg of your chair slipped off?

[Jacob]

Yeah, I think it was. And I remember bringing my armor and I was gonna, like, use that for something. And I was like, yeah, no, I'm not walking in this place with my arm.

[Top Lobster]

There's no room in that. This place has room. This place has a lot of room.

[Jacob]

Oh, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

So, guys, go to brogrve.com, pick up your tickets. They are active right now and they are moving fast. I think we're. We're down to less. Way less than half of the tickets have are what's remaining. So.

[Jonathan]

That's right. I mean, I feel like I'm at. We're advertising it as like, Sam Tripoli and Owen Benjamin will be headlining both nights. But there's going to be all your favorite conspiracy creators down there. The first day, the second day, it's just people, like, just volunteering. Elijah Schaefer's gonna come down and do his own show with whoever the hell he brings down. It's gonna be like a legitimate party. And if you're in the vip, we're doing a. A dinner afterward in a restaurant. We're taking over the small town. There's a four block or five block radius to this main street, and we can do whatever the we want because the theater is right on it. So it's like two days of insanity. It's not like last time. Last time we were in the middle of nowhere. This time there is like, it's. It's gonna be crazy. There's stuff to do. It's gonna be fun. Get there if you can make it. If not, see you later. That's right, Sleazeburg, baby. That's the watermelon capital of the world.

[Top Lobster]

It is the watermelon.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm kind of sad that we're not going to be in the elderly swinging village anymore.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jonathan]

Five to ten minutes from it. It's actually the same distance from where we were at last time, but just in a different direction.

[Top Lobster]

It's close enough. You just toss your loofah on your golf court and head down the road. It's only.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, you can get herpes there. It's just.

[Top Lobster]

Death squad. That's where we're going now. So goodbye to the pores. I do have a question that I wanted to ask you guys, because you have unique perspectives to both of you. And so I. I wonder what your individual takes on this is going to be. But there was a UAP story that recently came out. Now, a lot of people remember when that bald guy recovered the egg from the mountainscape. At the same time, there was another story that got dropped anonymously on 4chan, so very well could be fake, but nevertheless, it still went viral. And the narrative fit really well into UAP disclosure, as well as what this egg retrieval was all about. Now, this also was about an egg retrieval, interestingly enough. But the most interesting perspective or the most interesting detail about this story was that this. Military personnel is sent to do a recovery of an object not given a lot of information. When they show up. It's a cave. They're supposed to go in the cave. There's an egg in the cave, but there's also a sort of bed. And in the bed there is a. A humanoid. And the humanoid actually wakes up. They wake it up by touching this stasis thing, whatever the hell happens. And, you know, interestingly enough, it speaks English now. You know, take this with a grain of salt. But it is an interesting narrative that I'd like to get your thoughts on on. What it says is that mankind was augmented by the Grays. And this is very much in the Anunnaki way, Right? Which is interesting because the Anunnaki were never described as the Grays. But this tall white, by the way, this entity, this humanoid, is a Nord. Like the way that you would come to understand a Nord in the. In the pantheon of ETS that we're now kind of comfortable with myth. So this tall Nord says that the. The Grays augmented us and made us a slave race and that the Nords were effectively our liberators. A second augmentation took place by the behest of the Nords to elevate us and create what we are now. And so we are at the cusp of a thing and that thing is a sort of war. The Grays are evil and only augmented us to serve their purpose. But the Nords are not evil. They're the good guys. And they are doing this disclosure to acclimate us to these new technological developments, these new intergalactic species that we're going to become accustomed with. And then at some point there is a contention that will take place between us, them and this, this race of Grays that made us as, as slaves. So hearing all that, I'd love to get your thoughts. I don't care who, who starts first, but I know that these are going to be different takes.

[David Lee Corbo]

So I know that just recently there was, there was somebody that went into, into political court or whatever the, it was talking about disclosure. And they said, you know, they're, they're compartmentalized and they would know a lot of this kind of information. And they were talking about, they know for sure that there are four different alien breeds that they are in contact with and communicating with. And I don't remember all of them. I know that there was the, the Nordics, so the tall whites. There's also the, the little Grays. And they're aware of the Reptilians as well.

[Top Lobster]

And they said the other one's the Insectoids.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like the insectoids. Yes, exactly. And if you hear about the insectoids, they're typically like your surgeons. Like that's what people say about them anyway. Like people who claim to be abducted say that they see like this PR Mantis type thing and it is working on your energetic body. I don't know. I mean, I have, I have a hard time separating aliens and the woo woo because some people like to take it way too far. Don't get me. Look, don't get me wrong, I love all the woo woo, but some people are only loving light. And I don't think that that's all there is. But with that being said, I, I think that they're, they're, there's definitely aliens. Like there's for sure aliens. Where they come from. Are they coming from another planet? Are they coming from another realm? Are they another reality? Are they interdimensional? Some people like to say that they are. Oh God. What is. It's not extraterrestrial, ultra terrestrial.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[Jacob]

And it's not where they're from, it's when they're from kind of thing.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I used to think that that was kind of crazy talk. Like if you think about aliens, you're like, surely they have to be coming from another planet within our solar system, our galaxy, or just, you know, somewhere far, far away in the universe. That's what you would think. Think, right? I gotta be real with you, dude. Ever since I've gotten into psychedelics, I'm seeing a whole nother world and I don't know, some people are trying to pull information from that. We've had this awesome guy on the show. His name is Danny Goler and he has smoked a lot of dmt. And one of these days he got the bright idea to shine a laser and refract it off of a glass onto a wall and he's able to see some kind of code onto a.

[Top Lobster]

Wall that was real.

[Jacob]

Oh, yeah. No, we had him on the show. For the record. Y' all need to get him on the show. It is fascinating conversation.

[Top Lobster]

There's just something about the way that the footage was shot where I was like, this feels like a bit or something. Like, I didn't think that it was real. I thought it was. I thought they were.

[Jonathan]

Yeah, it wasn't well produced. And he's just like, look at this. And they're like reading like hieroglyphs.

[Top Lobster]

And then he's got like other homies that are coming in and they're like, he's right. Like, this is. Yeah. And I was like, is this real? I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, we. We talked to him. I talked to him on both of my shows. And actually we have our buddy who we were talking about before the show, Electro N Nick. Whenever we had him on my meta mystery show, we had Electro Nick on the show as well, and he wanted to try it for himself. So he smoked some DMT on live on the show. Smoke dmt, shined the laser against the glass onto the wall and was able to see the code himself. And he was describe it the same exact way. Talking about, like, yes, he's these Chinese Alphabet looking Egyptian kind of like, like symbols and they're everybody.

[Jacob]

That's the part that kills me. That's the part that kills me. If it's just a bunch of guys on the Internet saying, oh, yeah, bro, I totally see it too. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Although there is a little bit of that. Sure. If you're able to write out the code that you're seeing and then you show it on camera and it matches what homeboy is saying. Like, yeah, sigil for sigil. And these two have never met before. Big Dog, we're talking about real matrix coding. The ones and zeros. We're talking about we ain't never seen before.

[Top Lobster]

I need you to get an image to him. Keep going. I'm gonna find this image, but I need you to get this image to him and confirm whether or not this was the text. But continue. I'm looking for it.

[David Lee Corbo]

So I Actually my. Whenever I went out to Bohemian Grove last year and I tried the dmt, my first DMT trip, which I don't even. I've talked about the second. I'm not going to do that anymore. But the first DMT trip, I saw like, this golden ball, like, floating in the rings of what looked like Saturn or some kind it. And I saw that it was golden, but it had like all these little inscriptions on it, like these little symbols. And I pulled it a little bit closer. I was able to hold it in my hand. And I'm looking at it. And the way that Danny Goler is describing these symbols is exactly what I was seeing on that ball, dude. Like, I. I couldn't describe it. Like it's like Japanese or some kind of Egyptian type. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's the coding of our reality. Maybe it is the ethereal ones and zeros. For all we know.

[Top Lobster]

It's called the hieratic numbers. The hieratic numbers or something like that. It's a mashup of. Of Greek and Egyptian that only the priest class was privy to. And. Hold on. I've got an image of it right here. If this fits what you saw or what this guy saw. That's very fascinating. Give me one second.

[Jacob]

It looks like if. Ancient Hebrew, Chinese lettering. And this is what came out.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, here we go. You see that?

[Jonathan]

Yes.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's it.

[Top Lobster]

Yo.

[Jacob]

That's the. Right there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yep.

[Top Lobster]

That's the egg that was retrieved by the dude with the tall white and all.

[Jonathan]

This.

[Top Lobster]

This is the egg that I'm talking about. This is what's inscribed on the egg.

[Jacob]

Y' all got to get our boy Danny Goler on your show and have this conversation.

[Top Lobster]

Ladies and gentlemen. The egg is back, baby. We're back in the egg.

[Jonathan]

Yes.

[Top Lobster]

Let's go, man. The egg just. It's the gift that keeps on giving. It's all in the egg. Egg. Thank you, Lamb. Oh, man.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's something to it, dude. I don't know what it is. I mean, so maybe. Maybe they're actually right. Maybe the Grays did simulate our reality and they're little and they're just, you know, turning us into these slaves. I don't. I. I Don't want to believe that that's the reality that we live in. The Anunnaki didn't create us because that would suck, right?

[Top Lobster]

I think it's, it's all these entities. These, they're very real. These experiences are very real. And, and what they're telling you is primarily the truth. But there is a deviation. There's always a deviation. There's a deception. And it is often about, like our, our creation mythos. So that egg is the cosmic egg, is the Orphic egg. It is the, the only thing allegedly, according to various polytheistic mythos around the world, there is chaotic primordial waters. And then spontaneously, out of this nothingness and just chaotic primordial waters, an egg is birthed spontaneously. And in that egg there is one of two things. And it, and it's at the crux, or the, the, the foundation actually, of all the mythos, of all the pantheons, it's that the egg does one of two things. Either it bursts open and the top is the firmament, and the bottom is the realm that we inhabit. And the yolk is the, the planet that we're on or the, the flat plane that we're on. Whatever the. You want to say or the egg opens. Deities come out. Now, sometimes it's a deity and the deity creates the Earth. Sometimes it's a mother deity named Anana or some. And she has like, twin boys. The first boy tries to speak the earth into existence, but lacks the words. This is in the Vedic belief system. And the. His twin tries to create the earth by alchemical means and succeeds. So there's an attempt to make it via the word that doesn't work. And then this other one creates it via alchemy. But it is. The Orphic egg is at the crux of, of all of the creation mythos, of all these polytheistic belief systems. And they vary a little bit. I think that it's like, mostly true, but there is a lie in there, and I think the lie is that they created us. Or maybe the lie is that they're going to save us. It's either they're going to create us or they're going to save us, and in there there's a lie. But mostly what they're telling you is the truth about a lot of things, about the nature of this realm that we inhabit, the nature of reality. Like, they know these things. That's why, historically speaking, these lowercase G gods give us these, these Mystery school teachings. You know, they give us numerology, they give Us, these deeper understanding of the, the, you know, the minutiae of the realm that we inhabit. But that power or that information is so powerful that it opens the door for you to be deceived and fundamentally manipulated. Damn. I think I just said that was the, the intro. That's David Icke, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it's. It's the dualistic reality that we live in, you know, and that's why the, the Freemasons have the checkerboard black and white floors. They know that this is, is. This is a dualistic kind of reality that you can manipulate almost, and that there isn't necessarily any such thing as good and bad. It just is. It's like Star Wars. It's the Force. That's how they look at it. And so I think that what we're talking about here is, you know, you're talking about. All right, well, there's a good story, there's a bad story. Maybe it's somewhere in between, maybe it's one or the other. But if you see a lot of the symbolism all throughout religion and mythology and everything, you'll see the, the dualistic type story that they're trying to tell Cain and Abel, the Gemini twins, like, this kind of is all over the place. And I think that, I mean, maybe it's dependent upon your perspective of this reality. Like, maybe it is like a good versus evil. And if you see it as that, then that's what it's going to present itself as. I don't know.

[Jacob]

At the same time with the aliens, I. I don't necessarily know if we're getting ready for them to have a war. And we are the chosen battleground, right? Because depending on who you ask, we got the tall Whites, we got the Pleiadians, we got the Alpha Draconians, we got the Reptilians, we've got these, we got the thems, we got. It depends on what group and what camp they're in. Depends on which side they're talking to. But I've also heard people say the Alpha Draconians are actually the good guys. No way, man. They're the evil ones. In reality, I don't know. They probably see us the same way that we see ants. Do we see them as good or bad? They're just there. Like, I could watch them or I could throw some food on them. It doesn't matter.

[David Lee Corbo]

We've actually had a guy on the show a long time ago, and we're going to be getting him on, on the show here soon, but he believes that he is a Reptilian channeler. His name is Anthony. He goes by Canadian Awareness on. On Instagram and stuff like that. He doesn't give his full name because he has like a whole nother business that he doesn't want to mix and mash or whatever. But he believes that he is literally channeling the Reptilians, and he doesn't believe that they're necessarily an evil. They're just a little bit more strong, a little bit more stern. They have to do and they want it done kind of thing. He thinks that, you know, that. That it's. We're looking at it as if it's a good and evil. And he goes, it's not that easy.

[Top Lobster]

Here, check this out. So this is. So we're talking about the Orphic Egg. I'm sorry, I'm just so enamored with this because the idea that this thing comes up again in this show's history. So I think the Orphic Egg is at the. The center of all of the mystery schools, all of the. The sort of secret societies and things of that sort of. So this is an image from the Memphis Mizraim. This is. I believe this is the right of Memphis Mizraim. And this is a symbol that is associated with a Freemasonic lodge, these guys.

[Jonathan]

And light on one symbol. So they just. They were like, we wouldn't do everything.

[Top Lobster]

Well, no, no, it's. It's actually perfect. So what you have outside of the egg is the primordial chaotic waters, just like I described. Right. The Orphic Egg is wrapped in a serpent. And the idea is order out of chaos. That's why I say that I believe the egg is at the center of all these mystery schools, because that's what they all believe is order out of chaos. Doesn't matter if it's masons or the oto, but within the egg, you see the tools to create that order. You have Rosicrucianism, you have the. The Parthenon. You have Jacob's Ladder. You have the gavel for law and order. You have the. Whatever you would call it.

[Jacob]

The trial.

[Top Lobster]

The. Yeah, for. Well, I'm saying the. The one at the top. Is that what it's called? The trout.

[Jacob]

That's what they use for, like scraping mortar between bricks.

[Top Lobster]

Yes. So stone masonry. And so this image, I think, is incredibly important. It shows you what the goal is of all the secret societies. They. They believe that they exist in chaos and that they are the orchestrators of order and that these are the tools that they use to achieve that order. But I actually think it's a bit of a misnomer because if you observe what they do, they actually create chaos out of order and then create a new order after that chaos has wreaked havoc.

[David Lee Corbo]

It.

[Top Lobster]

So, so it's like a, it's a, it's, it's almost like a lie by omission. They would present as being the wranglers of this realm and creating great order out of the chaos that surround us. But in reality they are, in my opinion, creating chaos out of God's order and then trying to create a new order that suits them out of that after they create the chaos. And so it, it's one of those lies by omission. But that's. That, that symbol right there is incredibly true. But that's what I'm talking about when it's nine lies to sell you the 10th, or I'm sorry, nine truths to sell you the 10th lie. Everything in there checks out except for. No, it wasn't you who created order out of chaos. It was you who created chaos out of God's order and then tried to create your own order over that.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I think that this is, this is interesting because there's a lot of symbolism there. You had the nine star stars on each side. Yeah, the, the, the Ouroboros. Right. With the snake eating its own tail. You have the primordial, I'm sorry, the, the, the orphic egg sitting in the primordial waters. You have the all seeing eye, of course. So I think that, you know, and this is where I think that a lot of religious people may get caught up a little bit because you, you would look at this as if it's like, oh, well, these, these evil people are trying to take over the world. They're trying to create order out of chaos. But what if this is their way of becoming like spiritually connected? Maybe they found other symbols to be able to understand what the higher realms are in order to understand what this realm is in a sense. And so you, you were talking about the Rosicrucians and stuff like that. I actually, I love looking into a lot of the Rosicrucianism because it's fascinating. I'm not saying I believe it by any means. I just love looking into a lot of magic and witchcraft and like that. But, but you know, there's, there's something really like this. There's, it's extremely symbolic and I think that, you know, it's, it's a lot easier to tell a story in symbols and pictures than it is in words. And, and I think that that's like the initiated kind of know what that picture looks like. I'm not even saying that I'm initiated, but you know, you can point out some, some of the symbols to try and see what kind of story they're really trying to tell there. And maybe that is the, the cosmic creation of how we were made and how the earth was made and stuff like that. If you just look at it from a different angle.

[Top Lobster]

Well, I definitely want to say, for the, for the audience sake, don't get wrapped up in this idea that symbols are inherently evil. Right? So you see a pentagram and you think that that's evil, when really a pentagram is, is it's geometry, right? And then within the pentagram it has this ability to create that, that golden ratio, that Fibonacci sequence, that, that, that, that. I forget what the hell it's called.

[Jonathan]

They're telling you it's the order of man most of the time when you have a pentagram.

[Top Lobster]

Yes, but they're also like co opting symbols. Like symbols are, are not inherently good or bad. They are fantastic descriptives. Right? One symbol can convey so much more meaning than words can. You could spend the entire time trying to explain a concept, but one symbol can convey that entire concept to you.

[Jonathan]

This is why, this is why we were talking about the swastika and why I think Kanye's co opting it. Powerful, powerful symbology. The, the Nazis have used it that. Now the Jews have actually used that to like for victimhood. Nazis used it for power. Kanye west is using it for sucking his cousin's dick or something like that. I don't know, it remains to be seen.

[Top Lobster]

But I don't think that there is such thing as like evil symbols. So see, people see symbols and they spiral. Look, it's an owl. Look, it's a thing like these are all things that are real. And if you believe that God is sovereign and God created this realm, and then, then really. And if you do believe that they cannot create, but they can only invert and, and corrupt. Because regardless, Jonathan, if you come from a biblical point of view or otherwise, what seems to be clear to everybody is that there is some class that exists at the upper echelons of things who has an agenda that is self serving, but it's also dark in a very dark spiritual nature. So if you believe that those entities, they can't, whatever those entities or people are, they can't create, they can only invert, then I think that just lends itself to the idea that no symbols are evil. They're only co opted and then twisted.

[Jacob]

Well of course themselves were a Christian symbol before they were co opted to be seen as a symbol of Wicca. The five, five pointed star in a circle was originally a Christian symbol. But you wouldn't know that if you look at the way this, the culture sees it today. Just like the swastika that was a Hindu symbol of peace and unity and oneness. You wouldn't know that if you open a history book these days.

[Jonathan]

100.

[David Lee Corbo]

And typically the, the pentagrams are seen as like manifestation circles in a sense. And what they really represent is the, the five elements, right? Is it five? Yeah, five elements. So you'd have air, water, fire, earth, earth and ether. And so with those. And they always have, if, if you see like a, like a traditional magician, they'll always have the, the, the star pointing up upward like the, you know, the two legs on the bottom with the star pointing upward. And that's said to be able to draw energy from the heavens in a sense. But then you have people that pervert it, they turn it upside down and they're pulling that energy from the other place, you know what I mean? And that's the Left Hand path, that's the Illuminati type. And I think that there's always going to be a bastard, bastardization of all of these kinds of things. You know, like the, it's, it's no different in mean as far as symbology goes. As an upside down cross. An upside down cross and a pentagram. And an upside down pentagram. Bastardizations. That's, that's really what they are.

[Jonathan]

The upside down cross is, it's a representation of saint, Saint Peter of the Apostle. Oh wait, where there is that upside down? Because he said he wasn't worthy to die the same way as Christ. Then that was taken by like, I don't know, Satanist or something like that. And it's like an inversion, it's symbology. It's like the same thing with the.

[Jacob]

Hippie symbol, the peace symbol symbol. That is an upside down cross with broken arms that they put a circle.

[Top Lobster]

On a V for victory thing too. Like really, it's a, it's a. Well, I mean I'm looking at this thing right now. We're talking about this Donald Duck in math, Magic Land. And, and this is a, an old school video from Disney. And basically Donald, he gets initiated into like a Pythagoras cult of sorts. And he starts Learning about the golden ratio, the Fibonacci sequence, and everything else. Else. So this is leading up to a question. It's like the way they present it is that these philosophers noticed that certain shapes had this divine ratio. PI is. Is within it. Right. 3.14, and so on and so forth. And they use this as the foundation. It. It informs all of the master builders that have existed throughout history. The question is, is that bad? I mean, you notice because, you know, a lot of people go like, numerology, astrology, all these things, these are bad teachings. If you organically noticed, like, you're just sitting in the toga one day, chilling in ancient Greece, and you notice, like, damn, this shape. This is banging, bro. Like, this pentagram, this. If you fold it up, it keeps making like this perfect ratio over and over again. I bet you that if we made that, like, the foundation of all the. That we built, this, that we built would be popping. Like, is that bad? I don't know if that's bad.

[Jacob]

Not necessarily. I guess it depends on your intent, right? Because it's like as the Bible tells us, to test the spirit, right? That's like saying classical music with no lyrics in it whatsoever is that of God or of Satan. It's open to interpretation. You see what I'm saying? What was the intent laid down? Mozart released an entire album of erotic songs. One of the biggest bangers on that is leak Martin arse, which means lick my. Okay.

[Top Lobster]

Music to. To.

[Jacob]

Oh, Mozart was a freak, dude. Oh, he was a dj, but also a musical prodigy, very much like Kanye. But we'll get to that later. But my point is, you wouldn't know that if you just listen to the song through modern ears right now talking about the pentagram or any of these sacred geometry. I don't think that's necessarily good or bad. You can.

[Top Lobster]

Observation.

[Jacob]

Sure, you can use it for both, Right? The same type of archaeological. Archaeological, excuse me, engineering mind, that you can use to build the Temple of Solomon can also be used to build a satanic temple. Okay. Does that mean that construction is inherently good or evil? No, not necessarily. It's about how you use it and the intent. I believe that sigils symbols.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, that brings us to the masons then, right? Where it's like, is it gay to be a mason, or are you just. Do you just be building, baby?

[Jacob]

So depends on perspective, right? Because 99.999 of Freemasons are typically good dudes, you know? Yeah. They might have a little bit of some arrogance. A little bit of Some scumbag entitlement with them. Fine, fine. I was in the Marines. I had that within myself. I get it. But my point is, the guys at the very tippy top who's actually read morals and dogma and actually apply the words of Alfred pike, who is the guy who wrote down the book on how they do their symbols, how they do their, their, their esoteric rituals these days, he even said, without the Kabbalah, what is Freemasonry? The Lord of light that they are seeking. Right. They're always born in the darkness and seeking the light. That light is Lucifer. That's not a euphemism, that's not a weird translation. That's from the man's mouth himself. And that is the same book that they apply to all of their teachings and liturgy. So for the lower level guy from levels, I'm Talking entry level, 3rd degree, up to 32nd degree, most of them are just trying to, you know, push the order forward, do more charity work, do good things. And yeah, they can take some esoteric teachings and apply it to their life and they could gain some insight from it and some, some goodness from it. It's only till, it's only until you get to the very top where you realize that like, oh, I have just soaked 30 years of my life into this organization only to find out that the wizard of Oz, the guy behind the curtain was actually Satan this whole time.

[Jonathan]

Time.

[Jacob]

And at that point, you've given up to a third or half of your life to this group. What are you going to do at that point?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, and there's, there's people that go around and, and they try and soak up as much of this information as humanly possible. You don't just stay in the Freemasons and learn from only the Freemasons. You maybe you want to look into the Oto, the Rosicrucians, or magic or, or witchcraft or whatever it is. And so there's actually, there's this book. It's. It's called the Autobiography of a Yogi, written by Paramahansa Yokananda, who went around and was, was talking to all these different gurus and everything. It was seeing all of their cities, which are basically like superhuman powers, right? Some people could levitate, some people created, create a scent in their hand, whatever, right? And so he was going around and like, okay, it's not just one guy that's doing this. I'm seeing all these different yogis and in a very similar context, mainly P. Hall wrote a book called the Secret Teachings for all ages. And he did essentially what Paramahansa Yokananda did. Whereas instead of just, just soaking himself into Freemasonry or the Illuminati or whatever, he like divulged into all of the, the, the secret orders. And so he was able to go into Roja Crucianism and Freemasonry and, and understand what all the symbols and what all the, the magic truly is. He wanted to try and get a really good scope of what it all means and broadly almost like a, like a, like a coexist type bumper sticker that there is no one way. It's like all of the ways is, you know, all at one time. And that book, if you actually get it, dude, I, I got it and it is fascinating. Like you're able to see, like you're able to see it from their eyes. And that's, that's the most important thing. We can look at it and we can apply our own filter of what we believe that what they're actually doing. But it's way, way more crucial and critical to be able to understand it from their way. Because once you understand the, the perspective that they have on all these symbols and, and order out of chaos and why are they doing this kind of stuff, once you see it, you'll be able to know it a little bit more whenever you see it in real time.

[Jacob]

And that's why a lot of these secret societies and secret organizations are set up to kind of mirror the Freemasons in a way. And yeah, sure, there's a historical thing of like the guys who founded this organization, if you look at them, they were Freemasons. So when they spawned off and did their own spin off crew, they kind of formulated it in the same way. That's true. But with that being said, there's also something called Whiteside Freemasonry. And it's something that you cannot find in the, in the United States. As a matter of fact, the only.

[Top Lobster]

Dark path, Light path, like White Magician. Dark Magician.

[Jacob]

Not necessarily. It's all encompassing. Okay. For instance, there's 360 degrees to white side masonry. There's only 33 in blue side masonry. Right. They see it as in the white side. You're getting the entire color spectrum, not just blue. You're getting all degrees of the compass, not just 33, three. There is all these extra esoteric teachings and all these extra things. This is where OTO comes in. Rosicrucians come in. Was the other one not the Order of the golden dawn, although them too. This is where they bring in a lot more of the Eastern philosophy and the northern philosophies and even the Southern. They're going to like, deep, deep Africa for these philosophies. Like it's. It's all encompassing. And at that point, it's the same thing. It's like fire, right? It's the same thing you use to cook your food. It's the same thing that can burn down your whole village. At that point, you are achieving such a level that you can use it for whatever you want. But again, they only offer that in very, very select temples in Europe. And you have to be damn near of a certain blood lineage to even be asked to be a part of the white side freemasonry. But yes, there are stories, like you said, of the. The darker path guys that go into that realm. There's been more than a few of them that have fallen on their face before Jesus and have revoked their ways and they're coming forward talking about. I know when I say this, people are going to roll their eyes and be like, what? No, wait. No, no, no. Real true vampirism. And I don't mean energy vampirism. I mean true blood vampirism, shape shifting. These types of actual satanic and dark arts being used for satanic and dark purposes. Not just to achieve a new level of power for yourself because you just think you're hot. No, no, you're like fully a part of the. A part of the structure at that point.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's what Kat von. Kat von D is out. Her name is.

[Top Lobster]

She's now, like, she's converted now.

[Jacob]

Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Catholic or Christian?

[Jacob]

I think she might be Catholic, but she's reading out of the Bible, so I'll take it. Okay. Same with, like, Russell Brand. I want to believe that it's genuine and it's not like a Kanye thing. He says a lot of things proclaiming the power of Christ. I'm gonna just roll with it until proven otherwise.

[Top Lobster]

You know, Russell Brand seems a little bit gay, but he just seems like he's new. You know what I mean? Like, he's new and he's like, I'm new, which is why I'm a little bit gay. So it's like we're just trying to figure out, I don't know him coming.

[Jacob]

From where he was, though. Though him going with all of his drug usage and his crazy sexual acts and all that. Now that he has found the Bible. Yeah, he's a little extra at this moment, but, like, hey, I'm down with It. I'd rather this Russell Brand vs 10 years ago Russell Brand, any day.

[David Lee Corbo]

He had learned how to be a decent person before he discovered Christianity, though.

[Jacob]

That's not what he says, dude.

[David Lee Corbo]

He just recently discovered it, like, six months ago.

[Top Lobster]

He was interesting that you become a better person, and then suddenly it resonated. Resonates with you.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was not two years ago.

[Jacob]

No, that was months ago, dude. Ever since he got kicked off of YouTube the first time.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, what I'm saying is, is that he had his show for quite some time before he, you know, announced his affliction for Christianity.

[Top Lobster]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I want to ask you this because we're coming close to time. We have another show to do soon. But, Jacob, you're in New Orleans, right?

[Jacob]

Just north of it. Yeah. Like, if you were to take Baton Rouge, New Orleans, and cut that in half. Yeah, yeah.

[Top Lobster]

I wonder then what you make of that idea that, like. Because I do believe in vampirism. I believe in real vampirism. I've heard stories from encounters where I'm like, I don't think these people are lying. And the. The level of detail and whatever they encountered is.

[Jacob]

New Orleans is the mecca of vampirism in America. Underground clubs where you can order a shot of human blood. Like, I've been there. Yes.

[Top Lobster]

That's gnarly. All right, so. So my question to you is that idea that Dracula hops a ship called the Demeter and. And ends up escaping Transylvania and landing here in New Orleans. And then when you look at New Orleans and you look at the vampire lore and how obsessed they are with it, you. You have to go, like. Like, I've been there before. And I'm like, something happened here. Something really supernatural happened here. It still echoes. You can feel it in the architecture. You can feel it in the streets. And you can see it as evident in the people who are walking around with their. Their nut sacks hanging out and they're on the floor and they're sleeping on the sidewalks. It's like something really, really heavy happened here. Do you. Do you think that that's true? Did we have, like, the actual Dracula end up here in New Orleans?

[Jacob]

As far as the true Dracula from the books and from the movies and stuff? No, However, I will say that. I mean, the history of New Orleans is littered with voodoo and. And dark magic. Right? I mean, hell, I just. I actually was in New Orleans this past weekend. And while I'm there, I usually go to the big cathedral at Jefferson Square, the big famous one you see on the Postcards and stuff. That is the same cathedral that would have mass Sunday mornings and in the evenings would have voodoo ceremonies. That's the same church, right. Marie Laveau used to do sacrifices on the altar where the priest in that just a few hours earlier will be giving the sacraments. Okay, that is New Orleans in a nutshell. Well, and it's always been that way. Now this is. There's a reason why Aleister Crowley drew his tarot deck in the absinthe house on Bourbon street that still stands today. Okay. There's a reason why these people the. The lodge of the OTO and of Thalima that were founded in New Orleans, there's a reason why they themselves are seen as like, you can't just get this kind of teachings at any old OTO camp or whatever. They call it temple.

[Top Lobster]

Can I just say, I've seen the absenhe mouth absence, absinthe house, and it. It strikes me that, like, architecture is not holding that together. Like spiritual is holding that bitch. It looks like it's sinking into the ground. Like it's so old and they haven't. They barely done anything to it. Like, I think even the shutters were like the original shutters on the outside of the building or some like that. Whatever holds that together. It's not a brick and mortar, that's for sure.

[Jacob]

Yeah, no doubt it is run down, but at the same time, that's like, you don't go to Bourbon street to see like, ooh, pretty lights and sounds. You go there for the squalor.

[Top Lobster]

Like, I honestly love of the architecture in New Orleans. It was probably that and the food were my favorite two things, bro.

[Jacob]

Then you need to go check out Paris, because New Orleans is seen as the. Is the child of Paris. And if you like that style of architecture and everything, dude, it is gorgeous there. But. But to further your question here, I'm not saying that Dracula landed here. I. And we could even go further back to say about the coffin girls, right? When they were forced to move here and marry local, well to do guys because they didn't have enough true French blood here, right? And then they were kind of mixing with the Creoles and there was a whole other thing there. You can look at the slave revolts that happened. You could. You ever seen American Horror Story Season 3? All right. The one based in New Orleans. Oh, yeah. Madame Duffine murdering slave babies and using their blood for face masks. There's a reason why the OTO is on Dauphine Street. Street. Okay? Like, there's a reason why this happens in the city of New Orleans. So I'm not saying the city is overtly evil by, by nature, but I'm saying you can't separate it from its historical past. And so there's a reason why this is seen as the vampiric Mecca of America. When you would think, right, Twilight would tell us that Alaska or Washington or somewhere with not a lot of sunlight would be the vampiric Mecca. Yeah, but it doesn't have the same, it doesn't have the same spirit in the soil, if you will.

[David Lee Corbo]

Will.

[Top Lobster]

And I think it's also, it's an opportunity for these spiritual entities. It's not a lot of opportunity in Alaska if you are hunting grounds, if you will. Exactly. If your MO is human souls, you know, or human spirits, whatever, however you want to put it. Yeah, Alaska's not doing you any favors. But New Orleans, that's, that's a place where everything's ripe for the picking.

[Jacob]

But I mean, it's not like they're hunting people anymore for their blood. They have so many feeders. They have these women and men that are willingly cutting themselves and letting these dudes drink from them. Like that's a whole, there's a whole subreddit to that. And I mean, at this point, well.

[Top Lobster]

Why are they always fat? Why are these that are always, you know, like, I let you drink a pint of my blood always fat? Always.

[Jacob]

Why is it that all the women on My 600 Pound Life have a significant other? That makes no sense to me, but I mean, people be peopleing, you know.

[Top Lobster]

That's true. I don't know, man. I like to think that there's some real sauce to that idea. Like, did a guy named Dracula who wore like a high collared cape and everything, like, was it that guy or is there at least some juice to the idea that something came on a ship called the Demeter and changed forever the trajectory of New Orleans? Like, I think so, dude. Every time I walk around that, I think so, I'm like, somebody was here. Somebody sucked on some blood. Somebody, you know, did some ceremonies. That season of American Horror Story, I believe, was the first time I was introduced to the concept of Papa Leg.

[Jacob]

Papa Legba, dude.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's got, you know, he's got the, the, he's a voodoo entity. He's got the top hat and he's demanding child sacrifice in exchange for X, Y and Z. So yeah, I think there's some real veracity to that one too.

[Jacob]

That's Haitian voodoo in a Nutshell, which absolutely made its way to New Orleans. And I mean, you can even go a lot of head shops will have. Have like little statues and little figurines of him and the other Haitian voodoo gods and some Santeria gods as well, like as a little altar that you can do and buy and, you know, whatever. We've actually had a guy on our show who is a practitioner of Santeria and Papa Legba or whatever he calls it, something else. It's like the voodoo to Santeria conversion. But same homeboy, right?

[Top Lobster]

Same dude. Yeah.

[Jacob]

Is basically his patron saint that he prays to. Like, he. The same way that we see Jesus as the intersection between us and God. He sees Papa Legba as the intercession between him and the other side. And it's very interesting. He, for him, yeah. He talks about his daily ritual that he does. There's a cigar smoking on his altar at all times. He takes a shot of whiskey and spits it in the face of it. Because that's his, like, mixing of his essence for the daily ritual and the sacrifice. And there's a lot to it, man.

[Top Lobster]

It's a true life crushing.

[David Lee Corbo]

He's doing good. Actually.

[Top Lobster]

Wakes up, he's a 5Amer. He runs a few miles. He comes back home, reads, reads a book, splashes some ice cold Saratoga in his face and gets the day started.

[Jacob]

No, Marco is not running. I'll say that. I don't believe he's a. He's a thicker boy. I'm not saying he's fat. I'm saying I don't see him running a couple of miles every day. That's for God.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, but he does believe that if because of his allegiance to whatever the spirit is, that it's actually helping him, like propel himself in this life. Like, he's doing really good at his job. He got a nice house, he got nice cars. He's got a, you know, know, I'm sure a hot wife or something like that. But yeah, I mean, he. He says that like he's a full on believer in it. Like there is no. Like, he. Like he. He doesn't even have to believe. He knows that it's real.

[Top Lobster]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, and I mean, he's seen a lot of the results from it. It's. It's crazy, dude.

[Jacob]

He's in the process of becoming a padrino right now, which is their version of a godfather. Like a spiritual leader for others. He's actually got to go to Cuba to do the ceremony and he's trying to figure out how the he's going to do that. But like, like, yeah, this isn't like just because it's cool and edgy. Like no, no. He's like, no believes this. Yeah.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's like good.

[Jonathan]

So many people like get confused with what we believe. It's like, no, I think all that works for sure. I'm not gonna do it though. It's just like, it's. It seems like a. It seems like a shortcut. It's like, why would I. Why would I do all these other things that may not. And that's maybe that also explains like the falling away from God. Like with the Jews throughout the Bible constantly. It's like just not working fast. Fast enough. You know, not that it's not working. This stuff works, but it's not working fast enough. There are other ways that we can go that will work faster. And then now you're talking about high time preference versus low time preference. And that gets you to where you're sucking your cousins.

[Top Lobster]

That's what I'm saying. I think that a lot of what we're experiencing here and what's been plaguing us since the beginning is this idea that we want things now expediently, you know, and it's like God has a plan and he's going to let you go through this development and, and you know, if you trust him like you trust in a father, then that's probably your best bet. Or when this guy comes over and you goes all that, dude, we can get there faster. We can do some different. Like that's, that's how you end up getting in trouble.

[Jacob]

People on his show that sacrifice to demons and they have like a 99.999 success rate of returns. And it's like, yo, I believe you. I also don't think you should be conversing with demons, but that's a me thing. But there's people out there that are willing to risk it all to achieve whatever their goal is.100.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I mean full on like doing like these weird ceremon occult like things calling out specific demons, usually demons of the goatia, if you ever heard of that. There's a guy named J.S. garrett that, that does sacrifices for people for a service as a. You know, that's his job. He doesn't. And dude, he talks about some of the craziest. Like usually he'll sacrifice chickens and so basically like he'll say the, you know, the, the prayer to the demon or whatever it is and he'll get inside of the Pentagram that's covered in a circle. He'll have a fire going on right there.

[Jonathan]

There.

[David Lee Corbo]

And he will call out the. The demon and he'll say, all right, can you heal this person of cancer or of this tumor or help them get this job or this girl or whatever it is? And they're pretty expensive because they work, you know, like, they're like, he. I think he charges like a thousand dollars each. And. And he talks about, like, how he'll sacrifice chickens, and so he'll slit the chicken's neck, drain it over the fire, and then throw the rest of the chicken into the fire, let the fire consume it. And that's like the payment to the demons that will end up ultimately carrying out whatever it is that you're asking for. And it works every time. And he goes, if it doesn't work, I'll do it again for free until it does. And it works every time.

[Top Lobster]

You know what's funny about those people, though? Like, I. I've heard these stories. I've listened to people give testimony. You know, my life is a wicked what the ever. But every once in a while, they'll stumble on the part where, like, yeah, I did see it one day. One day I woke up and it was in the corner of my room, and it was darker than the rest of the room. It was darker than dark, and it was. It felt like the embodiment of evil. And I was unbelievably terrified.

[Jacob]

But they'll still with it. They'll still call upon it because, like.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, you know, discernment for sake.

[Jonathan]

I get. I get why people do it. I get why people do it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, and here's the. The crazier thing to add on top of that is that he's not only working with demons, he's working with angels as well. He's. He talks about how he's calling on Gabriel, Michael, and all your biblical angels and everything like that. He goes, typically, whenever you're working with angels, it's. It's. It takes a little bit longer, but it will. Whereas the demons will make it happen a lot sooner. So that's really the difference between working between the two of them. But, dude, he talks about, like, how he actually. So he normally sacrifices chickens, but he ended up getting. He went over to this place where he gets his chickens, and I guess the guy was out of chickens or something like that, so he ended up getting the. The guy that was selling the chickens. He goes, well, look, I'll sell you for. For every one chicken I'll give you.

[Jacob]

30 corish game hens. Oh, quails. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

And so he's getting ready to perform his ceremony. Perform the sacrifice on the quail. Quails. And he knows that the quails is. Quails are smaller, you know, they're. They're less. Right, right. And so he goes. I guess he's talking to the demon or the spirit or whatever, and he goes, look, I know that this is smaller, but I'm gonna use this quail, and I'll give you. I'll give you 10 of them, 20 of them, whatever it takes. And so he carries out the spell, and it. I guess it ends up working. But later that night, he said he was overcome with so much fear and anxiety as he's trying to go to sleep. Sleep. And it's haunting him. Like, it's taunting him, and it's saying, you know what you did. Why. Why are you giving me this bird? I asked. I asked for a chicken. You give me this little bird. And it literally taunted him all night. So much anxiety, depression, and it was just, like, crazy. It. He literally. He said, I heard it telepathically, and it would not let me go to sleep until he had to go back out. Out into his yard and perform the ceremony all over again the right way. And the demon left.

[Top Lobster]

That should tell you everything you know about the thing that you're serving. But listen, guys, we have another show in two minutes, so we gotta wrap this up. This is an awesome conversation, man. I know. Before we start, we were like, what are we gonna talk about? It doesn't matter. As soon as we get together, I. I feel like we all are ailed by the same thing, and that is the inability to shut the up. We can't do it. None of us. None of us on the screen can do it. And that's how you know it's gonna be a banger of an episode, because we're not going to, too. It's like, as a podcaster, your worst fear is that lull of silence. Although Top likes that. He likes when somebody gets stumped.

[Jonathan]

I like it.

[Top Lobster]

Sometimes he'll be like, why'd you jump in so fast?

[Jonathan]

And I like to make people uncomfortable sometimes. Like, some. I'll sit there and I'll be like, let's see what he does.

[Top Lobster]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that doesn't happen with you guys because you guys are professionals. One more time. Where can everybody find Cult of Conspiracy?

[David Lee Corbo]

So it's the Cult of Conspiracy podcast. Wherever you find your podcasts at, whether it be Spotify, Apple or, or wherever you find it. We're also on Patreon, we're Instagram, Tick tock, Twitter, anywhere you can really find us over there. We're always trying to take little clips and you know, show clips of the show on all of the social media platforms. You know, because everybody has a podcast nowadays and it's hard to keep up with everybody. So the clips is kind of like a good way to be able to keep in touch. It's also on YouTube. I mean it's the only thing we can put on YouTube is just little clips because we got kicked off of YouTube four times and we told them to go themselves. We're not going to do it again. That's why we're on Patreon on. So yeah, that, that would be the best way to be able to support us. But honestly the, the true, truly the best way to be able to support us is to go listen to it and, and leave a review. Leave us five stars, leave us one star. It doesn't matter. It helps the algorithm either way.

[Jonathan]

Don't be like.

[Jacob]

Also if you do come check us out on Patreon, you go to that third eye all the way open tier. You get to join us for our Tuesday night lives. Every Tuesday night at 9. 00pm Central. We talk about everything and anything honestly. And then we usually pump that out for the next day for an episode. And yeah, that's. That community in and of itself is growing more and more every day. Yeah, that's, that's. We look forward to our Tuesday nights every week because of this.

[Top Lobster]

That's awesome, man. We've been thinking maybe we should do something like that for just the Patreon members. But you know, I know you guys had problems with the YouTube. We also had censorship issues but we figured a way around. Turns out sacrificing 30 quid quails, they're not very big, but you get some quails. 30 quails. And the, the Jews at YouTube, they, they let you back in. So we're back baby. Thank you guys so much for being on and I look forward to hanging with you guys at Bohemian Grove. It'll be nice to pass the baton to you guys and have you guys have to worry about being in control of what's happening on the stage. It's awesome. So thanks a lot guys. Top. We got anything else?

[Jonathan]

That's it guys. Until next. Oh, until like two minutes from now. Obey, Submit. Comply. We'll see you guys in know 60 seconds.

[Jacob]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.

[Top Lobster]

A oblong box in the corner of the room.

[Jacob]

It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll act in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of and they have.