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180: The Subtle Signs of Witchcraft w/ Vicki Joy Anderson
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Dive deep into the hidden world of modern witchcraft with returning guest Vicki Joy Anderson on Nephilim Death Squad. In this episode, Vicki exposes subtle practices—sigils on salon mirrors, salt-circle rituals, consent-based spells—and reveals how...
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Top Lobster
Top Lobster Productions.
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David Lee Corbo
We are being hypnotized by people like this.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going.
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Unknown Speaker
On is absolutely enormous. Oh yeah.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.
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David Lee Corbo
It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happen to the home of the Braves. And everybody's just walking around heading the clouds and want to wake up to a dead in the grave. But then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day. Everybody is slave.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in the hands.
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David Lee Corbo
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder that Sometime around the 30 minute mark, we're going to be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad, where you can continue enjoying the rest of this show, engaging in the live chat, gaining access to the tremendous backlog of content that we have over there. And also if you sign up for the $10 tier, you will gain access to all 12 hours. That's two days worth of content from Bohemian Grove. Raw and unedited footage. We're working on producing a nice version, but if you can't wait and you're very excited because you've seen all the footage on the Internet and you want to see what the hype is about. Patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad. The $10 tier will give you access to 12 hours of content. Like I said, that's over there waiting for you. Otherwise, I guess that's all we want to tell them about that.
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Top Lobster
That's it. We're flooded. We're flooding the content. So go over there, check it out, buy the stuff. I'm excited to get into the guest today. I think third time on, fourth time.
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David Lee Corbo
This might be third or fourth time. She's one of my absolute favorite people. I love when she's on the show. I love hearing her on other shows. And you guys know that I've been talking quite a bit about dreams and I decided that we had to get sort of an expert in the. In the conversation and not just me telling you guys all my disjointed stories that nobody Wants to hear. Please welcome back Nephilim Death Squad Vicki Joy Anderson. Vicki, it is lovely to have you back but before we get into it, where can everybody find your work?
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Unknown Speaker
Absolutely. Vickijoyanderson.com that's Vicki with an I. Everything you possibly could need is right there on the website. You'll see all the social links up there in the top right hand corner. Books will take you there. You can contact me media that'll tell you all the other places I've, I've chatted on events. I'm going to be at some conferences this year. So if you're going to be in Ohio, Springfield, Missouri or the Norman, Oklahoma area anytime in late 2025, you can, you can check me out. I'll be there and get to hang out with you.
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David Lee Corbo
Very exciting. Before we started the show we were chatting, you and I a little bit and we got in this conversation of, of witchcraft. Now fans of the show are aware of sort of the revelations that have come, come our way in regards to what, what, what Top has experienced in his own household. Everybody knows the dirty undergarment story, but what's interesting is of course that's, that's kind of like piqued our interest in this idea of witchcraft and it's, and how prevalent it actually is. We do a show called NDS Chronicles and we received a testimony from one of our, one of our patrons, Tom Sirotnak, who, whose father actually was part of like that was like a power power team or something like that. It used to be these power lifters that would burst through two by fours for the Lord. It's very cool. Back in the 90s this was something that was very common. But Tom wrote us in and explained to us a situation where he ran into witchcraft. And long story short, by the end of it it turned into a conversation about how rampant this actually is. It's a lot more common than people would guess. And, and you know, it varies from just the sort of the LARPers that, you know, we have talked to you about in the past, Vicki, about people that kind of are just engaging in the aesthetic of it and there you go. What, what's the. It's power team, right? That's the name of it.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they still exist in some form or fashion, but this guy started it. They're running through two by fours and.
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David Lee Corbo
Smashing cinema stuff like that. Lord. So, so there you go, look at that. And that's all through the power of Christ. That's so every time they're done breaking Something.
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Top Lobster
These guys are very strong too.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
They're also very strong.
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David Lee Corbo
God has made them very strong. So what I ended up stumbling upon last night was something that is going viral on TikTok and it's this woman who is a viral hairdresser and she's been, you know, gaining some renown for a while as a very successful tick tock page. Lots and lots of followers, lots and lots of views. And it was only after some time went by where people started to notice some strange behavior from her. And, and that strange behavior would be like, there's a disconnect behind her eyes and she's making all kinds of strange faces that don't seem, you know, applicable to the conversation that she's having with her client. And. And then somebody starts to notice. Well, in the background there's like, she's drawn sigils on the mirrors in her studio and that appears to be like a little voodoo idol that she's got on her desk. And then someone noticed even that the chair that the clients would sit in had a ring of salt around it. So it's all these really strange things. And to top it all off, somebody started to really zero in on how often she would ask for permission. Permission to touch you, permission to touch your hair, permission to speak. Like all these different layers of consent that she was going for. And what she does is she masks it behind sort of that there's like an LGBT thing. There's also a racial aspect where, you know, you have to ask people to touch their hair if they're ethnic or something like that. So she masks it behind all of these virtue signals, in other words. But really, if you look at it through a different lens, it appears to be witchcraft. And so after the video was said and done, I was pretty well convinced. And it just goes to show you how, how prevalent this, this actually is in society. Way more so than, than people would think. What are your thoughts on that?
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Unknown Speaker
It is so prevalent, more so than, than people think. I probably spent the first 40 years of my life in ignorant bliss, okay? I was born and raised in the Christian home. And hey, bad things can happen to you. You know, you can get flat tires and your friend can be mean to you today and you got a zit and like, things like that, things that Jesus can easily take care of. But the really bad stuff that happens to non Christians who don't read their Bible and go to church, right? So I lived in this like ridiculous bubble. I don't know how as an educated 40 year old, I, I still Managed to have my butt that filled with my own head. But there it was. And around 2015, 2016, I ran into Russ Dizdar. And so many people may be familiar with him. Russ passed away unfortunately in 2021, but he talked a lot about occult crime, ritual abuse, satanic ritual abuse. He worked with survivors. And I now work very closely with Tom Dunn over at through the Black. And I have for years. And Tom was a, a protege, I guess is the word. Sat under Russ for. Mentored by Russ for I think 17, 18 years, something like that. So I just had this massive, like you talk about, oh, you know, what do you want the red pill or the blue pill? I wish, I wish it had been that friendly and cordial for me. It was like I felt like I was tied on the ground and someone had handfuls of red pills just like jamming them down. My throat's like, too much too soon, too much too soon. But what, what Russ used to say. And it would be useless for me to give you any statistics because they'd all be, you know, 10 plus years old now. So you can probably imagine that the stats are, are more than that now. But I don't know if there is a church out there that doesn't have infiltration. I often say that I wish evangelicals were as organized and passionate as the cults and the covens because they have an agenda, they know their assignment, they're unashamed, and they are more than likely in your church. And if you're saying, well, you know what, I live in rural so and so, there's only 20 people in my church and half of them are in their 70s. I will tell you that I went to a church within the last decade that had less than 20 people there. And it was a hardcore reformed theology, you know, one hour sermons, only sang the psalms like it was a very like, devout type of a situation. I found out the hard way. And this is why I can sit on shows like this now and tell you about what I know. I went through it. Unbeknownst to me, that tiny little church full of really nice elderly old people was full of implanted witches from a covenant. And because I didn't know any of this stuff and probably would have laughed at you or rolled my eyes at you if you had told me that these sweet people were something other than what they were presenting themselves to be. I spent 18 months going over to their houses, stepping over their thresholds, eating the food that they made for me, wearing all the hand me down clothes that they were giving me all the gifts. Like I just thought these people are so nice. Every other day someone wants me over their house and they're cooking me meals and they're giving me clothes and gifts and jewelry and so I, I didn't have anything to go on. I just thought, well, these are really wonderful, nice Christian people. And I will tell you that that 18 months wreaked havoc on my life for five solid years. And it, it got very, and, and I had moved away at that point. I wasn't even in the vicinity anymore. But the consequences of my ignorance, it followed me for a good five years. I, I was in a bad state. So I, I had to learn the hard way. And I, at this point, in retrospect, I'm glad I learned the hard way because now I can attempt to help other people. But guys, it's, it's an uphill climb because as soon as you start talking to the average blue pilled evangelical of which I was proudly one for 40 some years, you have to get over this misconception that Jesus is this bulletproof vest that just saves you from every single bullet that comes your way. There's no more spiritual warfare. After you become a Christian, you're impervious to attack. These witches can do and say whatever they want, but I got Jesus. It's like, well, yeah, but if you're, if you're ignorant of the game that they're playing, you can. They know the legalities, they know the loopholes. And when you start doing things like crossing over thresholds, letting people cross over the threshold of your home, you're eating with them. Guys, this is in scripture. It is in all of the movie lore, all of the vampire lore, right? These threshold covenants, these salt covenants. You know, when you're breaking bread with someone, they are still in play. The spirit realm still operates under these covenants. And if you don't understand the covenants, you don't know about the covenants or you don't take the covenant seriously. That's just the Old Testament. Things are different now. I wonder how many Christians are going through things that aren't just lively related to this generic idea of spiritual warfare. Satan doesn't like me because I'm a Christian. So my tires keep popping and I just lost my job and my friend ghosted me. Sometimes the, the conduit of that spiritual warfare are our humans, other humans that are being utilized boots on the ground. And I think more of us than would even realize have invited these people into our homes because they are wearing the disguise of wonderful. Yeah, they're wearing the disguise of super sweet. You know, Christians, they know the word, they're quoting scripture. You know, I. I had one person tell me once who had been victim of this, say, never trust those Christian women who are always so nice and excited, you know? You know, and that's not to say there aren't genuine Christians that act that way, because I've met them too. But. But a little too nice, a little too gift giving, A little like, kind of like exactly what you were just talking about, Raven, is this, this whole, like, once you see the sigils and the rings of salt and the permissions, like, and this is what we have to do. And I wish we didn't have to do it, guys, but when we're dealing with another human being who's operating on a grid of deception, we will never pick up on it unless we are looking at things through a grid of deception. And so this is why so many women, after 20 years of marriage, feel so foolish and embarrassed when they had no idea their husband was cheating on them. Well, it's because your husband was operating with you on a grid of deception, and you weren't. So you were taking everything at face value. You did believe he was working late, and you did believe that the money got stolen out of the checking account because you're not operating on a grid of deception. And so in scripture, when it tells us to be like, wise as serpents, that's an uncomfortable verse. Me, because it's like the serpent analogy is, you're telling me I'm supposed to be like the serpent. I don't want to be like the serpent. But we're being. We're constantly being warned by these biblical writers, be sober minded, be vigilant. And so we have to understand that when we get into places where we think we're safe, whether it's our church or whether it is maybe a news station where everybody seems conservative. Like, when we get into these places where we feel safe, that grid of deception goes away and we take everything at face value and there's trust. And that's why I think one of the most ingenious things that the enemy did in our society is he started separating our areas where we socialize and areas where we get our information into. This is blue, this is red, this is conservative, this is liberal. Because once we get into a house of prayer, a church, a Bible study group, or we flip on the TV and we go to our conservative channels, we sort of let out a sigh. We believe that Everything there is going to be safe. And so we're not as sober minded or as vigilant and we're not picking up on these clues. And so I think that even when we're in a place where we think everything is safe, we still need to be prayerfully asking for discernment because there's always going to be a wolf in sheep's clothing among the sheep.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. Even in the, the political realm, which is like a place where I kind of dabbled in before people like. Well, when you look at Hillary Clinton, it's hard to understand what they're doing because she presents as a grandmother. And you take your preconceived notions, right? And you're like, my grandmother wouldn't do that. And it's like, yeah, your grandmother wouldn't. But this lady is not, they're doing, you know, she's looking for the bodies of the buried nephilim and has an entire kill list. So it's like, but, but it's really easy to take at face value. You know, let people in. I'm guilty of it. And yeah, it's something that actually comes.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, go ahead, top.
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Top Lobster
No, that's what the conversation with Merkel yesterday didn't. It wasn't really about what you should do. It was about, sorry, like, what you should let in, you know, and, yeah, I had to really think about that.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it's, it's hard because I don't want to. There's got, it's a, it's a fine line to walk because I don't want to be the type of person that scrutinizes everybody and then makes sort of a mountain out of a molehill. You know what I mean? It's like I'm analyzing everybody's behavior, although I do a fair bit of that because it's an instinct. As a father, you know, you have your, your husband. I mean, I'm sorry, you have your, your, your, your son and your, your wife, and you don't want to allow people in that are potentially dangerous. But at some point, you know, is there a, is there a point of diminishing returns where that filter is broken and now you're scrutinizing everybody. But then again, when you run into these issues.
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Unknown Speaker
Yep.
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David Lee Corbo
It's almost like, does it even matter if you're, if you're a little overly scrutinizing? Because the payoff for that is protecting your, your family. The downside is allowing something in that is really hard to identify. You know, so we were recently going through something where we had this falling out with a potential business partner, and we were trying to execute this. This, you know, this big event, Bohemian Grove. And Vicky, when I tell you the few weeks leading up to it, was it like two to three weeks leading up to it, things got so obviously spiritually heavy. And. And what ended up happening was not only were we, you know, I was, like, inundated with all these dreams and, you know, the irritability was, like, through the roof. I was easily set off, and I. And I found myself giving in to this spirit of, like, anger and resentment constantly and having to reel it back in. But also, there was, like, these. As if it wasn't enough, these small little mishaps, you know, we were talking at the top of the show about how when you get a flat tire, is that necessarily, you know, spiritual warfare? If you have a falling out with a friend, is that necessarily spiritual warfare?
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Top Lobster
Well, when, you know, the crazy thing is, though, David, like, what's that? Because I'm. I'm always like, I would like to say no up until the point where it's like, get. I get. Maybe it crosses the line. But it's. It was so bad that this example we're talking about back then with the panties, it was like, dirty panties left in the house. And right before we find them, some guy, random guy, tells me, looks me in my eyes and says, that woman's a witch. In no uncertain terms. Yeah. I was like, wonder what that could mean. Anyway, and just continue with my life for three years. Like, are you like, well, yeah, there's a shirt retard. But, sorry, continue. But it's just like. Even when it's right there in your face, I'm just like, yeah, I think so.
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David Lee Corbo
You know? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that this time we. We actually managed to, you know, top. And I would have these discussions while all this was happening, you know, only a few weeks ago, and it was like, yeah, something else is. Is happening. I had a spat with my wife. As was really uncharacteristic of our relationship. We're very easygoing. We rarely ever, ever are. And we found ourselves arguing over. I can't even remember. It was so insignificant. But it was like, I. I said that irritability factor where if you. If you touched me just a little bit. I was very reactive. And even then, I was able to stop myself very quickly and be like, this is not us. This is something outside of us. This is something. It feels like oppression. It feels heavy. You know, it feels. It feels like something is influencing Us. And then, like I said, the little things that you wouldn't even attribute, like my sink ended up collapsing because they didn't put brackets on the underside of the granite countertop. So my sink ended up falling in. And it's just like, you know what it felt like? It felt like life was maybe not life, maybe these. These negative spiritual entities were constantly pushing me to see if I would react, you know, to see if they can get me to give into that. And I know we'll get into this larger conversation about dreams later on, but I had a dream where I was shown very. And I was shown very clearly that there was a temptation to give in to a spirit specifically, and that if I shared in this spirit, I would end up going to the same place that it and all the other people who shared in it were going, which was into the ocean, interestingly enough. So, you know, but thank God we do what we do and we believe what we believe, because had we not had that grounding in Jesus Christ, there is a high likelihood, especially given our personalities, that we would have just given into all of that anger and resentment and just started opening fire on anybody who came our way. But it was a interesting moment in time where we were able to ground ourselves, you know, in. In belief in Jesus. And that's what enabled us to operate the. The right way, in my opinion.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, so you said a bunch of things there that are so important. I think one of the reasons why so many Christians believe that they're impervious to witchcraft is we expect that if we're under some sort of hex or spell or curse, that it's going to be this massive fireworks display, you know, and everyone's going to get cancer. And then all of a sudden the house is going to burn down. And, you know, it's going to be this, like, succession of massively, you know, chaotic events. And so the fact is, a lot of this stuff is very subtle. In fact, a lot of it can even be in the mind. And so what happens is our. Our weaknesses get preyed upon. Like, so our buttons get pushed, right? And this might sound like, well, how would they know? Or this or that or whatever, but here's the. Here's the deal. We now live in a society where just our technology kind of has our us figured out. All these algorithms, they know what we're shopping for. They know our music taste. They know all of our friends from our contact list. So if algorithms can figure out what buttons to push, obviously spiritual realities can as well. And so what I'VE noticed is not necessarily a witchcraft attack, but we're talking spiritual warfare in, in general, instead of looking for the big things like my car exploded on the way to Walmart. It's, it's more things like all of a sudden a very paranoid thought hits me, and typically it would be something that I wouldn't pause to think of or I would just laugh off, or it would be a thought that maybe I wouldn't even catch, I wouldn't even be aware of. And then, then you're in this kind of heightened state of paranoia, whether you realize it or not, because now you're, you're fixating on something that's creating anxiety. So now you're in a little bit of a weakened state. Now you go onto your social media and that's the one day out of a year that someone says you're the ugliest thing they've ever seen in their life. And you're, you're stink and you're horrible. Something that would never even like rest in your mind is all of a sudden layered on top of this paranoia and anxiety. And so now this is triggering junior high. And oh my gosh, like now it's all the undealt with junior high. It layers, it layers, it layers until you are in this heightened, frenzied state. And so a lot of what's going on here is, is it doesn't have to be all this external stuff. A lot of it starts in the mind. And that's why I think, I think it's Philippians 4:13 that says, finally, brothers, whatever is true, right? Pure and noble, excellent praise, where they think about such things. And the formula for peace, in fact, the peace that passes all human understanding. One of the bits of that formula is that we fixate on things that are true. And so when we are grabbing hold of thoughts like, oh my gosh, all the genetically modified food, it's going to kill me. I can't eat this, I can't eat that, I can't eat this. Oh, the air is, the soil is poisoned. And oh, this person said I was ugly. And pretty soon you're in this, you're full of lies and you're not going to have that peace. And so we have to constantly get the vacuum cleaner out every morning and get the brain, get the lint trap cleared out. So just understand that if you're trying to find evidence in, in your life of warfare and all you're doing is looking at how many family members have passed away in the last year or how Many cars have, you know, broke down. It's usually a lot more subtle.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
And another thing that you were talking about, Raven, if I can put my mind on it. Oh, yeah, yeah. There is a very real reality to what you said, that once a Christian suddenly does become aware of the fact that witchcraft is still prevalent and that this stuff does work and take effect, there is this pendulum, the swing that goes all the way over to the extreme. And all of a sudden. And I'm not joking, I'm. A lot of times I'm being sarcastic and I'm using hyperbole.
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David Lee Corbo
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Unknown Speaker
I'M being totally serious this time. All of a sudden, maybe my pastor's a witch. Maybe my spouse is a witch. Oh, my gosh. My. The. The old woman from church, she brought me chocolate chip cookies last week. And then I got the flu. And like, I'm not joking, this kind of stuff.
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David Lee Corbo
I had that glimmer of a thought. Vicki was. I was just at church this past Sunday and. And we were asked to, like, bow our heads and pray. And this is just me. I think this is just me getting carried away. Exactly to your point, some little old woman behind me at, for whatever reason reaches out and rubs my back.
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Unknown Speaker
And then.
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David Lee Corbo
So I'm thinking about that now. She seemed like a lovely little old lady, though. But, you know, she touched me, right? But she didn't ask for consent, so maybe I'm okay.
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Unknown Speaker
She didn't. I'm sure she just thought you were a sexy young guy.
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David Lee Corbo
I'm sure that's all it was. I think that's all it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nice old lady never asked me for permission, so whatever. She tried to Put on me didn't stick.
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Unknown Speaker
That's right. So there. There's a trend, and I'm starting to see it more and more, and it's sad to me. I. I call this Christian autoimmune. Okay, so the. The official, you know, narrative of autoimmune allegedly is that there's a part of your body that your immune system suddenly detects as an enemy or a toxin, and so the immune system starts to attack that part of the body. So in other words, like, the immune system detects the thyroid, and instead of seeing it as part of the body that it needs, it's like that. That's a foreign object. And so it starts attacking the thyroid. And then you get Hashimoto's and things like that. That. That's the alleged story. If you believe the guy is in white coats, but parasites. Okay, so anyway, here's the deal. The analogy is in the New Testament, it says that believers, the ecclesia, the assembly, the children of God, we're a body. And we're not supposed to look at the big toe and say, you're not as important as me. I'm the heart. I keep everything alive. And we're not supposed to despise parts of the body. We all work together as a cohesive whole. And one part of the body isn't better or more special than the other parts because every part, if you took one away, the body would cease to function. And we are attacking parts of our own body. We're looking at people. We're saying, well, they're a witch. Because I believe in this eschatology, and they believe in that eschatology. So you can't just, you know, the Christians can't just say, we have a different view on the Rapture. No, it has to be. You're a witch. It has to be this extreme pendulum swing. And I'm seeing it, and it breaks my heart. You guys and I have. You guys, I'm sure, are in the same situation because we're in this podcasting world. We have a lot of friends in the same circles. And what's really heartbreaking to me is when someone I really, really love tells me that someone else I really, really love is a witch.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
And it happens frequently. And it's just like, it can wreak so much havoc. And it doesn't just wreak the havoc of believing that, like, believing the gossip, it wreaks havoc if you don't believe the gossip, because now you don't really trust the person who told you the gossip. And I'LL tell you one thing you were telling. You were talking earlier, Raven, about the hairstylist and all these clues people were picking up. Here's another big clue. The person that thinks everybody is a witch and is always accusing everybody of being a witch. You might want to check that person out. These people that are obsessed with pointing out everybody as being witches. What are you deflecting? I mean, some people are just ultra paranoid because they've been hurt.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
Like, if you're talking to a ritual abuse survivor and they think everyone's a witch, it's probably from their background. But I'm telling you, I know a lot of people. I shouldn't say a lot of. I have interacted with people in ministry, and I get so sick of every single person walking in the door being a witch. So then my grid of deception turns on, and I start evaluating that person differently. And sometimes the sigils and the salt start showing up.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, that's.
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Top Lobster
This is what we. This is exactly what we've been going through. And it's like, on not just this level. Since. Man, since a child, I've been dealing with this. It's kind of what pushed me away from. It's part of what pushed me away from the church initially, the first push, because my mother was. My mom has this ability to, like, very, very much how, like, we are, like, conspiratorial Christians, I guess you'd call us, or, like, looking into the supernatural. She was doing it, but way back then. So I don't even know. She had a prophetic dream in God. How old was I?
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David Lee Corbo
12.
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Top Lobster
The 90s. Like late 90s. Before 2000 and. Yeah, before 9, 11. And that kind of center on. So it just sent her reeling from, like, a person who was just worldly. My. My dad was always, you know, going to church. He's very consistent guy. I think the best word for him would be maintenance. I think that's what we're trying to describe. Maintenance. Every day, he's doing the thing and keeping it tidy. So it never builds up, but it built up, I guess, with my mom. And then boom, one day at once, the floodgates open and she's like, hardcore. But it got to the point where she's, like, accusing our family members of, you know, reading scripture and saying, like, you can't. Basically, you can't be next to people that are not Christians. You know, they can't be those. Be with those that are in the world. And I think that that's true, but I also think that it's like, well, how are you supposed to talk with them? How are you supposed to reach these people and their family? I'm not going to. I reject, like, pushing them out entirely unless they're doing, like, a. Like, obviously on its face, if they're doing witchcraft in your head, like, in their house, you'd be like, okay, that's different. But if they're just dumb Puerto Ricans, you. That's different too. We have to talk. We got to talk with our family. So that pushed me away and then. But it's a motif that continues to come up in our life, even a little bit. With Merkel. I had a discussion with him yesterday, and I told him outright. I was like, hey, I think you've been a little distant from us because of. Obviously because of what I do online. What I do online is smart, because you're smart. And he told me. He was like, yeah, I have. He says I have to protect myself. And I was like, I think you did the exact right thing. Because we've been having convictions about what we do as well. It was necessary at one point, I feel like. But now I don't. I feel like there's a time to put these things away. And now, whatever. So that happens. And then the discussion that I'm having with David the last week, which is why I even spoke with Merkel, is like, how close do you want to get to a person? How much do you want to protect yourself versus helping somebody else? And what is the wise move to do? And I think we got some good advice, and we're going to move forward with it, but that's a. This is a constant thing that's happening. And it's like, I don't want to be the guy that's like, witches in every corner, but, damn, there's witches in every corner. And. But how do you. Well, how do you navigate it?
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David Lee Corbo
To Vicky's point about, you know, it's. It's a sensitive filter, and it could easily be turned on. Kind of everybody, we. We're in both this conspiracy world and this Christian world because I don't think you celebrate. I mean, you. You. You separated. It's all Christian, it's all biblical, and. And the Bible helps us understand the things that we deem conspiracy. But because of that willingness to. To engage in those ideas, we attract a lot of people from just the conspiratorial world. And so you don't get accused of being a heretic or anything in that world. You get accused of being, like, a fed and a shill or something like that. It's very much the same thing. And, and what it becomes is like a joke. Well, it's not just a joke. It's also like, why do I have to be a shill? Why do I have to be a paid operative by, you know, we've been joking around saying General Flynn made Bohemian Grove possible. Because it's like you just, at some point you have to lean into these accusations because these people shout out to Steve Wilkos in his moon map. These people don't take, there's no talking them off a ledge once they decide that you are a Freemason or something crazy like that. But it's like, what about just being wrong? I'm wrong a lot. You know what I mean? Like, I, I, I'm trying to unpack things that are obfuscated from us by pretty clever people, that pretty clever spirits. And I don't claim to know any. So it's like every once in a while, maybe I will have the wrong take or something like that. But I'm exploring these ideas, I'm trying to unpack them. And rather than just being wrong, you're either entirely correct or you're a shill, right? The same thing with scripture. You're either entirely in alignment with someone on their interpretation of scripture, or you are a witch, let's say. And you're, you're doing this sort of thing. So it's, it is hard. And I, and I can't help but wonder if the same thing that you spoke about, Vicki, applies to these people in the conspiracy world, which is if you are constantly calling, you know, people a shill or a fed, if you are constantly separating those who are seeking the truth from one another, what percentage of those people are actually there to do just that? You know, to break apart that body? Because I do have a great deal of empathy for the conspiracy community. Even if they haven't found Jesus. It's like if you are earnestly seeking the truth, then you will, because Jesus is the truth. So it's like, if you're going down that path, that's what brought me to this place in my understanding of the world, then hopefully it brings you to that very same place if you're actually seeking the truth. And so if that is the nature of what we're doing, why try to separate us? Why try to accuse this person or that person? But before we go any further. What's that? I was just gonna say, before we go any further, we're at the 40 minute mark, so we got to Cut the stream to rumble and YouTube and X guys, if you want to.
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Top Lobster
No, we're not going to do that. We're going to continue.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, we're not going to do that.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, not today.
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David Lee Corbo
Okay.
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Top Lobster
That makes my life easier then.
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David Lee Corbo
I don't have to upload anything today.
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Top Lobster
Executive decision. We'll just run right through it. There you go.
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David Lee Corbo
Okay, cool, cool. So, Vicki, I don't know if you want to. We just gave you a lot of stuff, but I'll let you address all.
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Top Lobster
Of it one by one. Vicky?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, Please, if you can do it point by point. And then I would like to get onto this conversation about dreams, but please, every single thing we just said.
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Unknown Speaker
Oh. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. The whole. The psychology of the trolling is so fascinating to me, guys. And here's. I'm gonna give you my little psychology of trolling, and then we can move on. I love the trolls, and I will tell you why. First of all, anybody who's looking for my Achilles heel has failed to find it. If making fun of me is whatever. Because here's the deal, guys. I was born with a freaking birth defect. I have a deformed face. I can't hide it. Like, I always tell people, how come every single physical malady of mine is. Is on my face. Why can't it be on my butt? And I can, like, cover it up like everybody else, Right? But, you know, so, look, I got nothing to hide. I'm not ashamed of this. I. I've been wearing this face for 53 years. I'm cool with it. I don't care if you are. Here's the deal. When you go to school for 18 years and it's. Every kid is fixated on that, and you've heard everything in the book, there's a point where, you know, it's just not there anymore. You know, there's no emotion to attach to that. So here's why I love the trolls. First of all, I feel a little bit akin to them because in my youth, all the way up probably into my 20s, 30s, I. I was that person. Now, if there had been such thing as social media when I was in high school, I would have been a troll. I was the one that would have, because of my own insecurities, I would have been the one mocking you, making fun of you, correcting your grammar, because that. I didn't have any peace or love in my own heart. That was my personality. That was who I was. All the way through high school, I was just a. I just didn't have the social media. I was just alive in person, TR to everybody I talked to, because I had a chip on my shoulder, and I felt like every day I had to go in and defend myself. But here's the deal. So I. So I empathize with them because I'm thinking, if not the grace of God, I would still be a troll to this day. Probably. But here's the deal. I really do have a heart for people who are deceived, lost, confused, broken. I work with a lot of trauma survivors. On a daily basis, on email or on the phone, I am talking to people who have been in various forms of abuse, ritual abuse, childhood trauma, dysfunction. I love these people, and I have a heart for them. I've been through that. I empathize with it. And so my heart. I have no desire to go out and preach to the choir all the time. If you know and love the Lord and you're following him, cool, you're done. Like, let's go find the lost. And so I have a lot of empathy for people who are even up into the high levels of witchcraft and in covens and whatnot, because the. The ritual abuse survivors that I talked to, their handlers went through what they went through, and their handlers went through what they went through. That's generational. And so it doesn't mean I'm going to show up at a coven meeting and start handing out four spiritual law tracks and thinking that they're my friends. I mean, I'm going to be smart about it, but my heart is there. My prayer life is there. And so what I love about the trolls is they come on your site, and it doesn't matter what they say. It doesn't matter if they say you're stupid. Have you eaten any paint chips today? Do you have a tinfoil hat? Your face is ugly. It doesn't matter what they say because the algorithm doesn't care what you say. If you come on to my site and you comment, the algorithm thinks you've enjoyed that comment, maybe all your friends will enjoy you've enjoyed that reel. Maybe all your friends will, too. So if all the. If every comment that I got on social media was from the choir saying, you're awesome, I loved your book, you know, and believe me, I appreciate that encouragement. But what I'm saying is all that would do would be to continue to spread my message to people that already know it and already believe it. So when the trolls come in and they start a firestorm in my comment section, it gives my content to their address book, which I otherwise never would have gotten into. And you know what? You might think this is stupid. And 90% of the people who follow you might think this is stupid, but you never know what new Ager or what psych medium or what person dabbling in witchcraft or astral projecting. You don't know that one person in your group that's on board with you isn't asking questions. And all of a sudden, then they get my contact and they're emailing me, and we're having conversations about the gospel. So I need the trolls. So it's upon me every day to firmly remind myself that my identity is rooted in Jesus Christ. I am created in his image, and I have a glorious future. And I can deal just like I have dealt with since kindergarten. I can deal with mean people. And whether they realize it or not, they are helping me get my message out of the question. The Christian choir box and into the. The suggested files of. Of all these people who would never otherwise give me the time of day. So you have to have a thick skin. And that's part of my prayer every day, literally. You know, we all talk about putting on the armor of God and the helmet of salvation and the breastplate of righteous. Part of that armor you got to put on every day is a thick skin. And half the stuff out there, I don't know, it might even be bots. You don't even know if you're dealing with a human being half the time anymore. But I can honestly tell you I empathize with the trolls because I was one of them for about 25 to 30 years. And, and I understand that regardless of what they're typing, something about my content resonated with them. And even if their response was anger, fear, or mockery, something resonated with them that evoked an emotion. And of the thousands of things we scroll through every day, every week, I hardly ever comment on something, you know, and so if someone is taking the time to comment, I just take the more philosophical view of. I'm not looking at your reaction. I'm looking at the fact that you took the time something resonated. And so it actually becomes a form of encouragement to me, like, okay, a seed has been planted and they don't know it, because how many times you guys. I know this used to happen to me, especially in my youth. Someone would come to me and they would say something that challenged my understanding of scripture or my interpretation, and I would be so mad. And, you know, you want to write the 10 page letter with all the Bible verses and prove them wrong and whatever. But there were a lot of times that it was that thing that stuck in my head that 10 years later I'm like, oh my gosh, they were right. They were right the whole time. I had this knee jerk, arrogant little, you know, 18 year old, I've been to church my whole life response, but they actually were right. So anyway, that, that's kind of my little, that's my little take on trolls. I'm not saying I like being insulted because, you know, nobody does. And on bad day, you know, some things can hurt, obviously, but I really do think that the, the reals and things where I get the most negative comments on are the reels that are, you know, getting five digits of hits. And so, you know what I mean? It's, it's a, it's a catch two too.
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David Lee Corbo
If you're gonna, if you're gonna. Number one, if you're going to speak the truth and you know there's something to be said about whether or not you're wrong, but if you're gonna speak what you believe is the truth, it's going to. People are going to be passionate about it either way. Right? It's only if you have like these lukewarm takes that nobody's gonna, they're gonna, you're gonna have lukewarm responses. And so, yeah, you know, on the other side of things, I've been a troll in a really major way on Twitter for the past year and a half, two years, really major way.
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Top Lobster
The problem is is that like we're gonna, we're putting stuff out on the Internet and we're casting a wide net because we want people to see what we're saying. And then you come back and some of the people that do come back are these trolls and some of them are real people and some of them. If I see you're a real, like, if I see that this is a person and nothing really bothers me, but I am gonna find what bothers you because it's like, like you, you threw me into the lion's den, but I'm a lion and like, I'm a bigger lion and I'm like, oh, okay. And now we have. But it's not good, it's not good for me though, because I don't need to do that all the time.
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David Lee Corbo
Here's how it has been good for me though is, you know, you, you, you engage in verbal warfare over and over and over again. And all it is is it's trying to provoke, you know, or it is constantly provoking these really horrible feelings in you. Right? That's the truth of the matter is until you. Until you get used to it, it's constantly this reactivity. And I know what that spirit is. It's the wrong spirit to be in. But eventually, once I engage with it enough, I realize that it's constantly calling me to react. And I am given a choice every single time. And I could. Just because I respond to you now, it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean that I'm. I'm wrapped up emotionally in this thing. What I've started to do now is where people come for me. I'll just kind of lay down in front of them like, gohan, take a bite, it's fine. And I'll see what they do. And you know, maybe if they make a joke about me, I'll make a joke about me and I'll see how they react to that. And what it's. I would have never gotten to this place had I not been in the crowd swinging a broadsword for the past two years. Eventually you get tired of doing it and these people will still come. It's just the nature of having a platform, right? Like you said, Vicki, it's like sometimes you make a reel and it does like five digits and, you know, it's like, what am I supposed to do? Stop making the real. No, I've engaged with it enough now that I can just kind. I know that there's no. I'm in no danger. In other words, I don't have to defend myself. What is there to defend myself from? And now I've got this kind of new mode that I've been in. I've been testing it out recently where I'll just go, if you make fun of me, I'll make fun of me a little bit harder and I'll see, like, did you like that? Is it funny? Did you get a kick out of that? Why don't you come over here, let's talk, you know, and kind of see how that goes. And I don't know, I think it's been. It's been working out. It's trained me to get to this very moment where lately I've been completely enamored by the idea of faith versus fear, right? So it's like you're always being petitioned. That's your free will. Your free will is that choice that you have. You. A thing is thrown at you, and you can choose something that aligns with fear, which is defending Yourself, which is fighting, which is becoming reactive and. And resentful and angry. Or you can choose faith, which is what is there to worry about. If God's got me and God has a plan and I'm in that plan, then I have nothing to fear, and therefore I can react to this moment in that spirit instead, which, you know, does tend to, I guess, you know, bear better fruit. But I. I think I'm just kind of retarded. And I would have never learned that had I not been gone through the gambit that I've gone through in the past two years, where now my. My reputation on. On Twitter is almost exclusively, you know, this troll. But what it. What it now does is it takes this audience that I've garnered and, and I can show them something different where it's like, yeah, you know, I can do that, and, you know, I'm unafraid to do that, and I can say all the things and I can say it with my face and my real name on the Internet. It's fine. I've been doxxed. I've gone viral to the tune of 18, 19 million. All this crazy crap. But I don't have to stay there. And I can show you something a little bit different now. So, I don't know, God uses broken people for different things. I like to think that he's used me to get the audience and then show them something a little bit different. And that's. That's kind of where I'm at now. But, you know, in all of this fear versus faith stuff, especially what we went through recently, I had a bit of a moment where I was. I was. Honestly, I was smoking weed. I was smoking quite a bit of weed, and I was doing it at night. And I've been trapped by that since I'm like 16 years old. And it really does a number. Anybody who smokes regularly will tell you that it doesn't number on your dreams or lack thereof. You don't have really any dreams. When I was a young man, I used to get really wild messages in my dreams. And so I was given an opportunity recently where my wife booked a cruise, which was a horrible experience, but I knew that I wasn't going to be able to bring weed on this cruise. This was all around the same time that all this is going on. We're, you know, setting up for Bohemian Grove. We're about to enter business partnerships, and. And I said, you know what? I have to be free of this. I'm going to use this five days on this cruise. Where I'm not going to be able to smoke to then also be able to come home afterwards and continue not smoking. So I, you know, flushed all my weed down the toilet and then we left for the cruise and then I went five days and then I came back and I've been free of it ever since, thank God. And, and so as soon as that happens and I return from the cruise, I get. I don't even know what you would call them, like visions or messages in my dreams over and over and over again. One of them. There's a, a dog that's been hounding me through this journey in the woods and, you know, by moonlight. And this thing is tattered and it's messed up and it's bleeding and it's scarred, but it's not dead. And I turn to it and I realize it's time to put the dog down. And I sink this dagger into its side and it, and it's at peace with this. It sits down and it just bleeds out and it looks calm and happy and I realize, you know, then I'm able to continue my journey. I think this, this dog represented this spirit that had me for a long time. And I had done battle with it for a long time, but I had never put it down, you know, and so that's the beginning of it. And then from then on out, it's like dream after dream after dream. When I told you about that dream that I had, the audience is gonna roll their eyes right now because they've heard this one so many times. But about sharing in that spirit, I believe that I, I spoke with Satan and I was on, interestingly enough, a ship probably themed by my recent cruise. And there's a man, a well dressed man, he's older. And I have this impression from him that he is ancient and vampiric in nature. That's what I remember specifically. And, and there are other people surrounding him that I understand are sharing in this vampiric spirit with him. And he knows what he's done and he's even like mildly remorseful about him, his behavior and his, you know, bringing these people into his spirit, but he's going to do it anyway. And he's very aware that his, his, his fate is in the ocean. So he's, he's looked over the edge of this ship that we're on into these chaotic, stormy waters and he's, he's looking down into the waters and I know somehow that that is his fate. And he knows that and these other people are going there with him. And he's also a little bit. He's very likable. Honestly. I was remember chatting him up and just getting this, like, charm from him. And. And. But he is a little bit bummed out that I don't share in this spirit with him. And I understand that if I do, if I choose to do that, I'm going in there. There's, like, a floozy woman and a couple of other characters, and they're going in those chaotic waters as well, this abyss. And I know that I don't. But if I should, that's where I go. And when I wake up from it, I'm in the throes during this time of a lot of things calling me to engage in the spirit of anger and resentment. But justifiably so, because I believe that I was in the right, which is a very sneaky thing. Right? Because when you believe that you're vindicated and you're the one who resides in the truth and somebody trespasses against you, then you might give in to that spirit. And I felt that it was a. A prophetic, like a. Not a prophet. I don't know if I'm even using that word correctly. I don't know what half of the words I use mean, but I. I felt as though it was a warning to not engage in that spirit because, you know, that's where you end up. You end up in the same place that this ancient vampiric spirit is going and everybody who shares in that spirit with him. So, that being said, Vicki, dreams are something. Dreams and visions, they come up constantly in the Bible, and we kind of look at those things as being things of the past. But even in the book of Revelation, it says your young man will dream dreams, and your old men will have visions or something of that nature. They're very important. And. And I think that we, in this materialistic paradigm that we're in, in the west, we dismiss them as, like, you know, strictly psychological happenings. Your. Your mind unpacking the day and the stresses of the day, and it happens in various symbols and nothing to be concerned about. But I don't think that. I don't think that that's the truth. Can you talk a little bit about dreams and their importance?
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Oh, my goodness. My interest in reading about dreams from, like, a scientific perspective started when I was 10 years old. I remember being in fifth grade and being at the public library with my mom and finding every juvenile book on dreams I could find. And interestingly, and you guys, this was Back in the early 80s, okay, in the juvenile section of the public library, most of those books on dreams, unbeknownst to my naive little 10 year old brain, were teaching you how to lucid dream and astral project.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, that's interesting.
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Unknown Speaker
And what's, what's very fascinating though is I started reading these books and I still remember one of them. And a year or two ago I looked it up and I found it on an online used bookstore and I bought it and I reread it. And this is so fascinating, guys. I reread this little book on dreams that I had read as a 10 year old and I couldn't believe how many of the things that I have studied, researched and believed to be true about dreams I originally picked up in that book I was reading and going, that's where I got that from. I couldn't believe how much of it I had subconsciously retained that had come from that book. But what was fascinating is because I didn't know what I was doing. And this is a different book and it was a book talking about lucid dreaming. And so it was like every night before you go to bed, as you drift off to sleep, say, I can fly, I can fly, I can fly. Because flying is like the totem, it's something you can't do in reality. So if you're flying in a dream, that should trigger the, that like I must be in a dream because I couldn't do this in real life, okay? And I remember doing it two or three nights and nothing happened. And then the third or fourth night, now keep in mind, I'm 10 years old, right? In the dream, the fourth night, I'm in the glass elevator from the Willy Wonka book. You know how the very end of the, the book is, they shoot out into the sky in, in this, in this glass elevator. And that's what happened. We went into this elevator and it shot through the. And so we were like careening through outer space. And I, I don't believe that I went lucid at that point. Like, I don't believe in my little 10 year old brain, I'm like, oh, I'm having a dream and now I can do whatever I want. No, for some reason the dream terrified me and I woke up and I very explicitly heard in my head, don't ever do that again. And I believed it to be the Holy Spirit, like, And so I put it away, I never did it again. And then come to find out years and years later, like, oh my goodness, like I was being groomed into that as a 10 year old. But this is how I want Christians to understand that your, your highly protected homeschooled child, even if you are monitoring what they're watching on TV and you're, you know, you got the parental controls on their social media, these entities are ancient. They know what they're doing. They know how to communicate with us in whatever means possible. And even if you think that you are removing every single possible communication portal in your home, these things can still find your kids. It can be in their heads, it can be in a dream, it can be in their thought life, their fantasies. It can be things that they, they could just hear a teacher say something at school and that will play in their mind. I will give you one example of someone I spoke to as a young child in an extremely conservative Christian home. This is something new, guys. There was no Internet when I was a kid. So if I heard something and I didn't understand what it meant, I went to my parents, what does this mean? And then they'd say, we'll tell you when you're older, you know. And so this kid lives in an extremely biblical godly home. They were watching a religious television program with a preacher and the preacher said something about pornography. And this child was so young that he didn't know what that word meant. So he did what every, you know, gen zer does. I'm not going to ask my mom, I'm going to ask the Internet. And so he googles pornography.
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David Lee Corbo
There you go.
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Unknown Speaker
And there you go. So obviously this is. These were parents that had a very close eye on their kids and prayed for them and everything. So I just don't want Again, I guess the theme that we keep coming back to is we have to operate on this grid of deception. We have to understand that just because you are good in kind and pure and ethical and moral and biblical doesn't mean that as soon as you set foot outside of your door, and in some cases you don't even.
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Top Lobster
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Unknown Speaker
I have to go that far. We are dealing with a lot of things and people that are full of very subtle, very clever deception. And we have to take, you know, be sober minded and vigilant. I'm going to go to church and I'm going to read my Bible. Like, being sober minded and vigilant basically means you're, you're in battle. You know what soldier on the battlefield has his gun unloaded or has the safety on and it's in the back pocket. You know, let me get my, my gun. It's in my purse. You know what I mean? And so if you're a soldier on the battlefield, being sober minded and vigilant, being prepared means that gun is no safety. It's locked and loaded. It's up, you're looking, you're flanked on the side by your buddies. Like, we, we are shying away in our day and age from the military metaphors that are in scripture because it's violent and it's aggressive. I mean, on social media, I don't even think we have to say things like, pew, pew. It's so stupid. Like, we can't even talk about it. If you break down a lot of the allegory and the, the metaphors in scripture, the words being used in scripture, like even the Great Commission, go into all the world and preach the gospel. Commission is a military word. And if you really break down the, the metaphors and the analogies that are using in scripture, it's not rainbows and pancakes and glitter, you guys, it's war terminology. It's, it's about vigilance and it's about weapons of our warfare. Are you kidding me? Putting on armor, putting on the full armor of God. The battle is not against flesh and blood in Ephesians 6:12. This is a military handbook you guys like. But you can't talk about that because Jesus apparently was a pacifist hippie who walked around in sandals just like spreading his message of love, you know, And I'm not mocking Jesus. I'm mocking people's watered down, one dimensional interpretation of who first century Jesus was. And if we understood the culture in the context of a lot of what's going on in the New Testament, a lot of the things that Jesus is saying in English, you know, we read it all in our little British accents and he just sounds so calm. If you understood the stuff he was saying. You know, we were talking earlier about being a troll on X. Jesus was trolling the mess out of those high priests and those. Those calling them whitewashed tombs. And not everyone of Abraham is Abraham. What he's basically saying is, I know exactly who you are. You got all these people fooled, but I know who you are.
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David Lee Corbo
You're thing where we have these synchronicities. On this show yesterday we talked to Ed Mabry, right topic. He said the exact same thing about like the King James version and, and how the, the language is filled with all this like proper English and so it sounds like flowery and it sounds, I don't know, it takes the edge off of the blade. Right. In a big way. And he was even talking about calling them tombs and, and, you know, filled with dry bones and all these different things. I mean, that was just, that was literally just yesterday, wasn't it? Top.
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Top Lobster
Yeah. This is why, like, kind of like the previous conversation we just had about trolling, where I realize a lot of the things I say, especially written things, I'm very careful what I say on Twitter. And it doesn't seem like it because it seems wild, but every word is crafted and put next to the other depending on the intention that I'm trying to do. And a lot of, a lot of the intention, sometimes when I'm trolling these people. Yeah, you brood of vipers is a crazy, crazy line to say people. Yeah, but when you're, when you're wordsmithing and you're putting these words together, you can build somebody up or you can cut them down. And I've gotten very good at that. And cutting somebody down is brutal. And I think sometimes people, like, some of these people really need that. Like, not just, not just like the common person, but like you're talking about the politician, the guy who, you know, created the legislation to lock you down. It was like, like, I'm gonna say the thing to you and it's Fun too. Within Twitter or X or whatever, where it's like, now you have these boundaries. Can't say this, can't say that. So it's like, I have to be creative, and I'm going to be very creative and, and weave my way through this. But in the end, you're gonna block me. And I, like many people, Jordan Peterson has blocked me because the things I said to him, and it's never been. I still have my account, so it's never been overly crazy, but they cut like a knife. So, yeah, I'm like, when. When I'm older and I'm reading some of the things that Jesus was saying to the Pharisees, I'm like, damn, that's crazy. And it says someone's face to say it is even more crazy. It's like a slap. You might as. It would have been better to just slap them.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, well, that's the thing, though. It's not. There's something to be said too, about what, what you're doing top. Where it's like you are accurately and, and, and, you know, viciously in some ways, describing who a person is or what they've done. That's.
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Top Lobster
That's comedy.
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David Lee Corbo
And that's comedy. But it's also different from cursing someone. It's. It's. You're not going out and saying, I hope that you never know the father. I hope that you lose your way. I hope that your family, X, Y and Z, like, none of that is happening. Right. So we were talking yesterday about blessings and curses and what that actually means. And, and this idea of speaking spiritually ill about someone in the hopes that they remain spiritually ill. It's like, ultimately, I hope that all of these people find that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. But there, that's different from identifying the thing that you've done and what you've become and what you are in this moment and saying it in such a way that it, you know, it gets viral that the truth has a way of cutting like a knife. But that is different from wishing ill on people, I think.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, yeah. This is a great conversation. And I don't. I gotta word this real carefully, even though I'll probably be misunderstood anyway, but I. What, what we're talking about here isn't I'm not giving Christians license to be jerks, nor am I saying, you know, hey, Jesus was a jerk, so we can be too. No, absolutely not. We're supposed to love our enemies and we're supposed to turn our other cheek etc. Etc. But here's the deal. If you culturally and contextually understood who Jesus was talking to and what he was saying, his interaction with the high priests is what killed him. Now on a theological level, he laid down his life on his own accord. That was his mission. That's why he came. It was going to happen regardless of what means it happened. But those high priests hated his guts because every time they opened their mouths, he made an absolute fool out of them. And yet he didn't do that to the common man, the sinners, the adulterers, you know, the people who came to him, he had all this compassion on. And there's layers of why that's true. But here's the deal. The common people, the deplorables who've been lied to, where the scriptures have been distorted and we've been hearing a false gospel our whole life, he had, he has compassion on the deplorables because we don't know what we don't know. And the reason why he was so aggressive with those high priests and the hierarchy and the elites is because they knew and they were choosing to be deceptive. And so it was a different layer of accountability there. And, and we know that there were elite people who were receptive or curious. We, we know. Was it, was it Kai. No, not Caiaphas, the high priest that came to him in the middle of the night, kind of incognito.
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Top Lobster
Nicodemus.
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Unknown Speaker
Nicodemus. Thank you. And even the centurion, the Roman centurion who said surely this was the, the son of God. And I've read things, guys, I'm. My research hasn't convinced me a hundred percent that this is true. But I have read that the, the military officer in the book of Acts where Peter sees the vision of the sheet and he goes, and he kind of illegally speaks to the gentile. I've read research again. I'm not 100% convinced that that first gentile convert in the book of Acts could have been the centurion that was at the, at the cross. So he had had this moment of realization, but this isn't open to me. I'm not Jewish. This isn't open to me. And then he becomes an integral piece of the story later. So I don't know if it's true or not, guys, but it, it is this. Despite whether it's the same guy or not, this guy in Acts was a, somewhat in the employ of the government. You know, he was in, in those circles. And so I think sometimes we, we think that these super high ranking elites are beyond salvation. And I do believe some of them might be if they're not fully human or if it's an infiltration, etc. Etc. But I, I do think that we have severely misunderstood and underestimated what the mercy of God really is. We've written a lot of people off. It's not just gang members and mafia members and serial adulterers and gigolos that he, you know, oh, I have this wonderful testimony. I, I did this, I did that. When you get into the nitty gritty even of, you know, a lot of the people that I speak to who are coming out of ritual abuse and things, these are people from generational bloodlines that you would think Jesus would never have compassion on this, on this bloodline, Are you kidding me? And yet we see him choosing people out of these bloodlines. And I think that when it says in scripture that Jesus is going to have a representation before his throne of every tongue and every tribe, every bloodline, there's going to be a remnant from, from every bloodline. So I, I don't know, I just, I, I just don't know how accurate our little pea brain understandings of Jesus really is at this point. Like we, we have all these things where, oh, he's the Son of God and he died on the cross and he loves me. And you know, we have these broad stroke, you know, things that we've learned since Sunday school, but he was an extremely complicated human being. And you know, he came the first time he came, he had a purpose. And I think where a lot of people are going to get confused inside and outside of the church is that when he comes a second time, it's not going to be hippie Jesus, right? And I'm not calling Jesus a hippie. I'm saying that's what the church has made him into, that's what the world has made him into. I don't believe that's what he is. But what I'm saying is when you read the descriptions in Revelation where this guy comes back on, on a white horse with a sword, first century Jesus is not the Jesus that's coming back again. And that's why a lot of people are not going to recognize the real Jesus because they're going to be looking for the hippie and the Antichrist is going to be exactly what you think he should be. And I think the real Jesus is going to be very offensive to a lot of people, especially in our culture where we're, we're making a Point now to reshape the collective conscious that men who are aggressive or competent or, or leaders, they're all, you know, all this toxic masculinity and the mansplaining and all of these movements, they are doing that very intentionally because when the real ancient of days comes back in mortal flesh, he is going to be everything that this culture has taught you to hate in a man, because he's. He's going to be displaying a masculinity that is, in your estimation, toxic. It's all very intentional, what they're doing.
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Top Lobster
So I, I think so. That's man. What's the chapter here? 19? Yeah, obviously Revelation 19, but that's verse 15. From his mouth comes a sharp sword, which, with. With which to strike down the nations from his mouth. This is what I was just talking about. I'm using the words because. Not like, because I'm familiar with the Bible, but I'm using them because I'm familiar with what they do. When you use the, the words in a certain way, it's like, yeah, I can cut you.
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David Lee Corbo
You.
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Top Lobster
It can be cut really badly. Unfortunately for me, I think sometimes it's misguided. But what it, what Jesus seems to have been doing, like, after reading. You reread his, his little conflict with the, the Pharisees, a little conflict in the temple, and it's like, it's very similar to when God is speaking. It was like Psalm 82. He's speaking to the Elohim and he's judging them. Or when God is. He judges the kings. He asked the kings questions and then he asked the, the entities above them. He doesn't ask them anything, he just tells them. And it's like, damn, every time, every time God is talking to principalities, entities, angels, whatever, it's like, that's that and, and it's over. And it's a sharp sword from, from their mouth. There's a judgment. When he's talking to humans, you know, no matter which bloodline, it's always questions, it's always Adam and Eve. He's like, you know, what did you do? These are what you did.
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David Lee Corbo
Who told you this?
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Top Lobster
But he's talking with them and there's a, there's a discourse. There's a reasonable discourse between them.
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David Lee Corbo
So, yeah, when you see fatherly energy.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, it just, it seems like after reading that, like, back and forth with the Pharisees, like, Jesus wasn't talking to them, he was judging them, he was condemning them. And. But was he condemning the people or the ideology behind it? Because That's a lot of the times, like, when I'm trying to address these people, if someone's attacking me, like, you'll attack me on something stupid. You'll call me brown with, you know, whatever hair, and I go, okay, and I cut right underneath. What's that? What's what? Are you sitting on your ideology? And I just pull that from you and it crumbles. And then they, then they freak out and then I have a little fun with them, which is just my fun. But it's. It seems like that's what, like when, when you're judging an ideology, this, whether it be leftism or even conservatism, to a certain point, you're like, you're looking directly at something that's not human. It's something that humans are acting on or under. And I'm like, well, I'm going to break them. Yeah, it's moving them. Yeah. And I'm moved by it, too. Like, by certain things, because I'm human as well, so I'm not going to be like, oh, I'm above all this. But, like, I recognize it in, in a way. And I was never able to verbalize it, I suppose, but, like, that's kind of what's going on here. I could see how it could be perceived as bad or harsh. But, hey, you know, I've been in.
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David Lee Corbo
That place too recently where I'm like, you know, you've seen some of my tweets where I, I made a tweet recently where I said, God wants me to stop being mean on X, which is like, you know, it's a little bit of a joke, but it's also like, I'm trying to find that place. Right. Because if I'm going to pursue the truth, well, then it's always going to ruffle feathers. And if I'm going to speak the truth, well, then it's always going to ruffle feathers. But how do I engage in that place where I, I remain there instead of once again feeling vindicated because I believe that I'm. I'm speaking the truth. So when you come against me, I'm then allowing myself to give in to that, that other spirit. Right? And I think that that's where you're constantly tempted is because of that vindication, because of feeling justified in, in your position, then you might just lean over and go, yeah, we'll do a little anger and resentment. We'll do a little bit of, you know, cutting a person down. So you have to. It's. It's not an Easy walk, right where tops like, you know, and then I have my fun and it's like, you know, maybe. But where. Where in that do I. I'm just trying to be brutally aware of when I'm walking in one spirit versus the other. And. And I think that it would make sense, if you're going to be a truth teller, that you would be at the cutting edge of that temptation constantly. And I think that that's where we find ourselves here.
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Unknown Speaker
Here's kind of where I'm at with it. After three years of navigating. I've only been on social media for about three years. I was never on it before. And so here's kind of where I'm at with it. So if someone right out of the gate isn't even interacting with the content, it's just an insult. It's just like the paint chips or the tinfoil hat or a remark about the way I look. I feel at that point that I've already won the argument because it's you. You don't resort to insults until the. You have nothing else to say, right? So as soon as someone. If it's just an insult, it's like, okay, well, I already won the argument, so I don't even have to engage because you. You don't even have the wherewithal to explain to me. This is what I don't like about your content. And this is why, because. So if it goes straight to the insult, I've already won, so I don't have to even raise a sword. I move on. Now, when it comes to someone who's like, articulate, I don't like this. And this is why when I engage, and I don't always engage, it depends on what I do. And this is to avoid the temptations you're talking about, Raven, because I come from a long history of using my gifts of articulation to rip people to shreds. Like my sarcasm. I mean, there are so many comments where I'm like, oh, man, it's such a perfect line. But I'm like, so then I. I preach to myself and I say a gentle answer, turns away wrath. Okay, I take a deep breath. What I do when I respond to the people who are arguing theologically with me, right? Because I think those are the only arguments worth having is, is, you know, if you have an interpretation of the scripture wrong, even if you're only that far off, the trajectory is you're going to be a light year off if you keep using that as your foundation. So there's things I think that are worth correcting. And you don't have to be rude or mean to do that. And so the way that I avoid the temptation to be sarcastic is instead of having a conversation with the person who actually left the comment, I think in my mind there's going to be a permanent record of this conversation that might be more meaningful to the people who come later and read it than the act. Because the person who's commenting is already closed minded. They're already not probably going to listen or have their mind changed that you're already dealing with someone whose mind is shut up. But if I'm someone who comes, you know, three weeks later and I have it in my head that all Christians are stupid and unscientific and mean and judgmental and every Christian I've ever met has just been rude and, and arrogant. And I'm reading an argument and the Christian is ignoring the insults, being kind, laying out exactly in scripture why that's true. And this is what the Greek means. And that becomes a testimony to the people who come after. Wow, this, this Christian actually has read the Bible. She's actually saying that. Not because some pastor told her, she's actually done some research. Oh, she's not being a total jerk, man. She's not reacting when, when they're, they're insulting her and stuff. So that really helps me to avoid getting into my flesh and being sarcastic because it isn't about me and that person. It's about the people that come later whose maybe hearts aren't hard and whose minds aren't closed. Can I represent Jesus Christ in a way that is gonna make me proud on Judgment Day for how I dealt with the lost. So, but, but isn't it crazy, guys, how we have to go through this whole philosophical sort of, you know, hoop jumping to even just respond to someone who's really only just wanted to be mean? They're not looking for answers, right. They, they just want to. You know, and another thing that really helps me is because social media is just this massive mosh pit where someone says something and moves on pretty much 10 seconds after they've left that comment, they're never even going to remember they typed that.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
So I figure it's already forgotten by you and everyone who's read it. So I'm not going to keep bringing it up.
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David Lee Corbo
It is a, it's a good practice on, on letting things go, you know, if, if that's the kind of learner that you are. You know, I'm, I'm kind of a hard learner. So I have to go through a thing instead of just like reading the wisdom in it. I've got to engage in it and then actually see the, the thing in its function. And I've gotten much better now at like, you know, as far as like, forgiving people. And not only because I've gone through all of that, but it is an interesting thing because it's just text on the Internet. And for me it's, it's, it's taught me quite a bit. But for other people who have been teaching me this lesson, they probably don't even remember it. So the weird.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, the weird thing is, is that like a lot of the pushback that we've gotten from people, good people around us, be like, hey man, that's crazy what you're saying. And I'm just like, I know. But then I turn and I'm like, but look at what it's built. Very strange. Yeah, like that. Now I have to. Now I gotta deal with that. You know, it's built this group of. There's a core group of people, like a hundred of them that are really solid. And when I, I watched what they do and you see how they're changing and growing, they're still crazy, but like, we're picking up people on the way and like, this person's a real crazy one. And then a while, like after a while, like the community, they, they kind of like fixed themselves, but otherwise, like, they, I don't know, like, they wouldn't be attracted to. Yeah, normal. But now here they are. So. But I'm like. I also realize, I'm like, this is, this takes a toll. Like, I don't, I don't like this thing.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, but, but that is that we've, we've bought in people that I. That otherwise wouldn't have been reached. And I think everybody has the ability to do that. Reach somebody who somebody else can't reach. And we've done that at scale and, and brought these people in and then, yeah, watch their transformation along. Along with our own transformation. I like to think that we've become a bit wiser over the last few years and, and we see that reflected in the community and, and what are we all ultimately pointing towards? We're all pointing towards Jesus Christ. Which I think is probably the reason that we've all become a little bit wiser over these past few years. But it is, it's weird because the people who are good people who are correct, who are telling us, like, look, this thing that you're doing is really crazy. And it's. It is corrosive. It can be very corrosive on the spirit. It's like, yeah, I. I agree. But then we turn back and we look at all these people that we dragged along with us who are seemingly better for it, and, and it didn't. It didn't kill us. You know, we're still here, and nobody's beyond redemption. So I don't know, it kind of feels like we did our own kind of dipping a toe in the underworld to pull a couple of homies out with us and, and then keep going. And so this, this show has had a very strange evolution. And I know that in the beginning of it, you know, you were always kind enough to grace us with your presence and come and have a conversation with us, but there's a lot of people, and a lot of people did, and a lot of those people still were like, geez, what are you guys doing over here? And. And, and they weren't.
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Top Lobster
I blocked out the curse word in the intro. I'm trying a little bit out, guys.
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David Lee Corbo
Getting better. We're getting better. I think, honestly, that's been. One of the. The real functions of this show is we've never been static. You know, this is. We've been constantly evolving and growing and changing. And, and if you're being honest, then that's gonna happen. If you're. If you're setting out to, like, portray a character and do a bit, well, then you can remain pretty static in that, because instead of showing people who you really are, you're showing people this, like, scarecrow of yourself. But we've not done that. And so one thing, regardless of whatever, you know, warnings we've had, we've always been very genuine, exactly who we are in any given moment. And, and we've allowed things, I think, to. To change us as we've gone. But, Vicki, we're. We're coming up on the hour and a half mark, and I wanted to ask you a couple more questions in, In. In regards to dreams. This might be for my own understanding, but, you know, you get a lot of things and, and not all of them feel as important or as urgent in their warnings as other dreams or other visions potentially. And I wonder if you have any advice or anything that you've gathered over the years on how to parse these things out, how to categorize them, what is important. You know, when I tell you that I have a dream about what seems to be the adversary and, and an understanding, a deeper understanding of Sharing in that spirit. That one seems right on the money for me. I don't think I have to question that dream very much because the fruit that it bears is, is good. Right. But there's so many other things that are like confusing and feel important, but feel cloudy. How do you go about parsing these things out, making sense of them?
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, it's so mysterious. There's so many layers. And even, you know, if you look in the scriptures, there were a lot of prophets who dream dreams and they documented the dreams and they had no idea what they were talking about. And some of them didn't even live to see the fulfillment. Then you've got other prophets, you know, like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, where they, they're called, depending on what phrase you learned, they're called already not yet prophecies or near far prophecies. And what it means is all of the prophecies in those books had an immediate fulfillment. You know, the Diaspora, for example, you know, like Jeremiah talked about the two dispersions to Babylon. And that already happened. But every verse, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jeremiah especially, they all have been fulfilled, but they're all going to be fulfilled to the letter a second time when Jesus comes back, right? So you've got these layers and so you have, you got guys like Jeremiah where it's like, okay, I got a prophecy that we were gonna be, you know, hauled into Babylon and we got hauled into Babylon. So my prophecy came true and it's all done. But Jeremiah, long after he died, he has no idea this is all gonna happen, happen again. He, like a lot of these guys, had no idea the depth of what they were writing or the layers of what they were writing. And so like us, sometimes we have to realize, like Daniel, when Daniel had all those dreams and visions, he was physically ill. He was disturbed by that stuff. Poor John, oh my gosh, on Patmos, he's seeing the heavens open and Jesus, like a lamb, slain on the throne and he's dropping over like a dead man. I mean, these guys were not equipped. Even Peter, he had no idea what this vision of the sheep meant. I'm not, he took it literally, you know, oh, I'm not eating a ham sandwich. And Jesus is like, this has nothing to do with food. All you have to do is read the rest of the chapter to realize that that vision had nothing to do with food. It had to do with this idea that abominable people who were not part of the 12 tribes, they were not chosen. These pagan blood drinking, child sacrificing pagans could now Come into the kingdom of Yeshua. Are you kidding me? Like, do you know how offensive that was to everyone at that time? And so, but people just look at it and they, they reduce that whole entire the mystery of the gospel being revealed. For the first time in all of human history, salvation is open to the 70 nations of Nimrod's day. And we reduce that down to whether or not we can eat a ham sandwich or not. It's so ridiculous. Like that's how simple minded we are. So with dreams, what is just a normal defragging of the brain, processing stress, and what is perhaps a prophetic dream or a dream of the Lord? And if it is prophetic, is it, is it for me, is it immediate? Is it something in the future? I, I have a couple dreams, two or three dreams that I've had in my lifetime that I absolutely know have some sort of profound meaning. And to this day I still have no idea what they mean. And I don't know if I talked to you guys about this before. I call those my swing away Meryl dreams.
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David Lee Corbo
From the way of categorizing.
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Unknown Speaker
Isn't it? Isn't it? I have no idea what this means, but when the crap hits the fan and the alien is in front of me and there's a baseball bat behind me, I'm gonna know what that dream means. And so I don't need to know it now. So there's that and then there are, you know, these astral dreams where you might not realize it, but foreign. I've noticed that the official narrative on sleep paralysis online is starting to shift. They used to just say like, oh, it's this or that, or you ate the cosmic pizza before you went to bed deal.
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David Lee Corbo
Because of, because of your work, Vicki, I would say you've contributed to that pretty substantially.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, what's awesome is now they're saying that sleep paralysis, in fact, this isn't new. They just haven't told you this. They say it begins in the REM cycle, which is what I've been telling people. It starts in the dream, like when you wake up in your bedroom and you can't move. That's the tail end of a much longer experience that you may or may not remember. And, and so if that is the case for you, that dream is something different. You are being pulled out of your body into the astral realm. And so that dream, it's not just little fragments of your, of your imagination or your brain defragging the hard drive at night and stuff. And especially if you have Access to your higher reasoning. In your dreams, if you have a whole thought process and you're thinking through things and you have that ability to operate on that grid of deception we're talking about, that's an indication that your dorsolateral prefrontal cortex is switched on. And if it's switched on, you're awake because that shuts down in an REM cycle. That, that. That's why we wake up rested, because that higher functioning stuff gets to sleep for the night. So if you wake up exhausted and all throughout your dreams, you've been reasoning and like, I got to get away from this, or, hey, this might be it. I might be in danger, and in the name of Jesus, wake me up. If you're. If you're using that kind of reasoning, you're not asleep. You. You. You have access to that prefrontal cortex, you're awake because that shuts down in rem. And so that's the stuff that my research primarily focuses on, that state where we have to understand what's a dream and what is astral. Because in astral, you're encountering real beings, and the things that you're saying might be oaths or vows or agreements. Okay? And so I. I will give you an example. Very recently, I came upon some additional information about my bloodline. I know that I'm. I am of a direct descendant of a very bad royal bloodline. And I've. I've known that for a very long time. But in talking to a survivor, I was shown that that bloodline was actually birthed out of another bloodline from a thousand years prior that was even worse than the one I knew I was part of. So I sort of realized, like, oh, man, deeper down the rabbit hole. So I spent hours one afternoon renouncing all of that stuff. And I was praying and I was doing warfare. I have my guitar. I was. I was singing psalms, and I was calling down the hosts of heaven to surround me. I was doing, like, Song of Solomon prayers. Song of Solomon. Huge. That's a whole show right there. I believe that Song of Solomon is a warfare manual. Buried in the subtext of a love poem. There is amazing implications, even about the dream world and the Pakad, the terror by night. Amazing book. It's. It's too huge even go into now. But.
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Top Lobster
Well, we were. We were just looking at. What is it? Fleetwood Mac and bands like that and how their songs are riddled with, like, their love songs. But they're love songs to or written by the fallen or.
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Unknown Speaker
Yes.
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Top Lobster
Other entities.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
So I wonder if that is also a love song but riddled with like a war manuscript because something going on with that lady.
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David Lee Corbo
Top aside on that Rhiannon, which is one of her hit songs. I happen to have the tab open in front of me, so I just want to say it is. Apparently it's. It's her stage Persona, which is fascinating, but it's also a, you know, a Welsh goddess. Interesting. There you go. I was kind of going through it yesterday. Like there's something else really going on here with, with Stevie Nicks for sure.
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Unknown Speaker
And yes, just another little piece. Yes, I want to say a little bit more about Song of Solomon, but I've just to finish up this. I spent hours renouncing this stuff and after I was done, I immediately fell asleep hard. It was like 3:30 in the afternoon and I didn't wake up till the next day. Like I fell asleep hard. And while I was asleep, I had a dream. And again, if we're not operating on this grid of deception, we'll just think like, oh, I'm just defragging or I'm dreaming about stress or whatever. In the dream, I was alone in a grocery store and I stole a thing of French vanilla coffee creamer. And I'm walking out the door and I get busted and I get pulled into this back room in the store and there's a security guard, kind of like cop guy, and then the owner of the store. And I'm getting interrogated and I'm. I have all these emotions. I'm terrified, I have shame, I have guilt. I'm. And I'm thinking, what? What were you thinking? Are you insane? Like, it's five bucks. You could have just bought it. And like, what. What were you thinking? So I'm. I'm freaking out and I'm begging for mercy. And so finally they say, well, it's your first offense, so we're going to let you off the hook. I'm like, okay, thank you. Thank you. Oh my gosh, I'm so relieved. I'm so relieved. So I walk out of that room with the weight of the world off of my shoulders. And now I'm alone in this. In this grocery store again. And I steal it again.
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David Lee Corbo
Couldn't resist.
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Unknown Speaker
What? And what was so weird, you guys, is that when I took it, when the thought came into my head, like, just take it again. From the thought in my head to taking it again, this euphoric exhilaration came over me like, yeah. And as soon as I get out the door, I'm like, oh crap, crap. And I'm literally thinking. And again, I had so much access to my, my higher reasoning, I'm thinking, okay, I'm gonna blame it on this person. And I'm starting to develop lies and ways that I can like, get out of it. And then I'm thinking, well, wait, they caught me the first time because it was on security camera. So they're gonna get all this on security camera. And I realized I was doomed. So I walk home and I, I get into the house and my mom, who's passed away in real life, there's another glitch, there's another giveaway, right?
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
I said, okay, the only way I can cope with this is to just confess and get it over with and they're going to throw me in prison and all. Why? In the dream, I thought I was going to be in prison the rest of my life for stealing coffee creamer, but that. Whatever. So I tell my mom I stole it. And you know, and my mom just says, why? Why did you do that? And I said, my whole life all I've known is anxiety and terror and I can't let it go. So I woke up the next day and I remembered this dream and I was like, okay, better safe than sorry. And I said, father, if that wasn't just a dream, if I was in some astral realm, if I actually spoke out loud in some sort of real dimensional space to people listening, that I was receiving an agreement to have anxiety and fear my whole life because I can't cope without it. I reject that. May those words fall to the ground. Jesus as my bridegroom, Father, as my Father in heaven, advocate on my behalf and disavow me of these things that I said in the name of Jesus. And then I did one better and I got my dad and I'm like, dad, as, as my, you know, physical on this realm umbrella of protection, will you pray? And he prayed against it, you know, on behalf of my daughter. I disavow her of this. Whatever. I'm always about the overkill guys, because I've been bothered with this stuff my whole life and I'm just, better safe than sorry.
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David Lee Corbo
There you go.
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Unknown Speaker
But all that to say that if we just think everything's a dream. Well, now I'm going to make it even more complicated, guys. We can wake up and have full blown memory of our dreams detailed down to the sight, sound, smell, all the senses. We can write it in our little dream journal. It can be a good dream, it can be a bad Dream. What if that was just a screen memory?
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David Lee Corbo
Right, right.
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Unknown Speaker
What if we wake up and that's what we remember? But what if that was a screen memory? And what really happened when we were asleep and where we really were and what we were really doing and who we were really talking to is nowhere left in our conscious mind. Because this is what happens with the UAP abductees. Right. And I do think that there is a lot of that same technology and the screen memories going on with sleep paralysis and astral abductee. So when we take everything at face value, and this is where they really play on the intelligence of these targeted individuals. If you've had these sleep paralysis and these astral experiences your entire life, a lot of times people that are targeted, they, they're very, they have their empathy, they're very creative. They usually have very high IQs that may or may not play out in the grades they get in school. I'm talking about a high intelligence quotient on discernment and other things like that. So unfortunately, what happens with a lot of us because we do have high dream recall and we are often lucid during these dreams. So we, we come back remembering every detail. So what ends up happening is we start to have a high level of confidence in our dream recall. So if all we're recalling is a screen memory. Yeah, they still got us.
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David Lee Corbo
Gotcha, gotcha.
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Top Lobster
But then like, I'm not. I don't think we should we go deeper then, like, because there is that. I don't know now you're talking about hypnosis to get to this regressed dream.
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David Lee Corbo
And that's which is tricky, right?
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Top Lobster
Not something I'd like to do either.
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David Lee Corbo
I don't want to do that. But I mean, something changed for me. I don't know, I guess it would have been a year ago where all of a sudden I became able and consistently still to this day, there's been two dreams within a week. Wait, geez, I'm having trouble remembering the other one. But I believe two dreams within a week. Week that I have called on. Oh, I remember the other one. The name of Jesus Christ, like in an elongated process. And it's the last thing I do before I wake up. So I feel like, you know, he's always kind of sticking it out for me and waking me up. But something changed about a year ago where that started happening. And there was three entities that I dealt with, like back to back to back top. You remember these dreams, right? So one of them was I, I think the first one that happened was I had a. A. A lingering memory when I woke up from the dream that I was just in. Of this being made of light. And, And I was in a sort of a state of paralysis. And I ended up. First I was. I remember panicking, and then I remember calling on Jesus and, and, and then getting out of the paralysis and then realizing that it worked and then mocking this thing to its face, like laughing in its face and then waking up. And then there was another one where I was in sort of a. I think like a haunted house kind of a scenario is an old mansion. And this thing is a skinny black demon with huge horns, but it was like otherwise, like smooth and shiny and, and, and thin, you know, but either way, and I am chasing that thing through this house, rebuking it in the name of Jesus, and it's running from me. And then the third one is, there's a crone, like an old hag. I'm. I'm sat with two people, you know, it's nighttime, I think, and they're in a car. It looked like we were working on the car. And all of a sudden they looked over and they're struck with horror. And there is this crone standing by the fire. And it is. It's like horrifying. It doesn't want me to look at it, but I'm like, desperately trying to look at it. You know how in paralysis, like in your dreams is a huge physical struggle because your body is locked up, Right? So I think it was kind of that. And I'm looking at this thing, but it doesn't want me to look at it. But I know that if I look away, it's going to pop up in my face when I do look back, you know, whatever. And it's so. There's so much fear that this thing is projecting. That's what I feel. It's projecting it outwardly from itself. That all of my vision is vibrating and these guys are locked in fear. And so everything is about painting this. This visage of fear for me. And, and I. I do look away. And then I open my eyes back up like I anticipated. She's popped up in my face. And I get furious. And I stand up and I. I start feeding this thing uppercuts. And it's like doing this kind of teeter totter back and forth. But what ends up happening is I feel it on my knuckles that this thing is made of wood. It's like it's not real in any meaningful way. And then once again, I start rebuking it in the name of Jesus Christ. And I wake up. And the two that happened recently, one similar to your dream, Vicky, where I, I had. I didn't steal anything. I killed a man. I shot him. And I could see that the police were in, you know, interrogating my neighbors, trying to find me. And I start it, starting this chase sequence where it's horrifying. I mean, I feel the ramifications of doing something that's going to land me in prison for the rest of my life, very similar to what you're describing. And all the emotions are there, and I am running and running through this, like, what eventually becomes a fun house, interestingly enough, to try to escape from these, these police. And then all of a sudden, I finally come to a place where it just dawns on me. And I realize I, I and I, I, and I call on Jesus Christ to save me. Boom, I wake up, and the one that just happened, I'm invited to some sort of mansion, and I'm a house guest, and I, I, I go up for the night to, like, retire to my room, and. And I suddenly start doing research, and I have my phone out, and I'm realizing that wherever I am has some connection to the Grays, and that this was a setup and this was a trap. And I pull out my pistol, and I'm super pumped to have my pistol. And I have that realization of, like, okay, that's really good that I have this. But then right afterwards, I realize. And I, and I start. This one's a little bit different. I specifically start pleading the blood of Christ over myself and whoever's with me who I think is my wife and for Jesus to protect me. And then, boom, I wake up. So something has changed dramatically for me in my dreamscape, where I'm, like, consistently calling on the name of Jesus in my dreams and waking up from these experiences.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay, there's so many things you said. Oh, my gosh, how many hours do we have left?
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David Lee Corbo
I know. As long as you. As long as you have.
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Unknown Speaker
Okay, okay. All right. So I can't believe that you said that your eyes, like, everything was vibrating. So here's, Here's a fun fact, guys, because I'm not stripping the spiritual out of this, because this is obviously very spiritual. But people have to understand that we're body, soul, mind, and spirit. We can't compartmentalize those things when we're asleep. And even though these are spiritual encounters, it doesn't mean our physiology is erased from the equation or that technology is erased from the equation. And a lot of times there's things all at play. This is very interesting. There was a man who. Who worked in some office, and he worked late hours, alone at night. And there was all sorts of rumors around this building. I can't remember the guy's name. It's online. He. Everybody thought that this place was haunted because the people that worked after hours, they would get very oppressive, paranoid, scared, like, I'm afraid to be here, something's here, kind of feelings. And some of them would see, like, shadow entities, and then they'd turn and they would be gone. So this guy was working one night and he was experiencing some of the same things. Long story short, he discovered that if there is something in your environment that is buzzing beneath 4 hertz, I think something like that frequency.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
He tied it to. There was a. There was a fan. Like, a lot of these people had fans on their desk. And the fan was a very low frequency fan. So he turned the fan off and realized that it was the fan, the frequency, that was creating these feelings and sightings.
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David Lee Corbo
You know, I haven't slept without a fan since I was a child.
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Unknown Speaker
Well, and maybe you got one that is, you know, operates at 6 hertz. I don't know. But here's the deal. The reason why the people were seeing the shadows was because when we're in the presence of something that's buzzing beneath 4 hertz, our eyeballs are vibrating.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, interesting.
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Top Lobster
That's. And this is the binaural beat stuff. This is like they create two different frequencies, and the difference between the frequencies is usually 4 hertz. And that. Well, again, so whether. Whether it's just a physical manifestation of your eyeballs vibrating, or if you are creating the atmosphere in which these things are allowed to do. Because that. Now we're talking about CE5.
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Unknown Speaker
Yes. Yeah, absolutely.
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Top Lobster
What the hell are you doing in your bedroom, David?
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David Lee Corbo
Dude, I don't. Well, I mean, I. You know, I'm accidentally binaural beating myself.
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Unknown Speaker
Careful, careful.
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David Lee Corbo
Binaural beat down into the astral realm, dude. I mean, that's interesting because I haven't been able to sleep. I have a new fan, and maybe this one's a little bit better, but I haven't been able to sleep without one for a long time. It would strike me as significant that something might want me to have a dependency on that.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. It's fascinating. And I've done a lot of work to research me on that. On that binaural beat stuff, that brain entrainment training Your brain to hum at frequencies that God didn't create it to hum at. That is CE5 until so close encounter, the fifth kind. You're no longer being abducted. You're saying, come and get me. That's all that means.
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David Lee Corbo
By the way, the, the, the. We were doing an episode on that yesterday and the amount of like a crossover between like the CE5 app and. Sure, like you can call in orbs and you look at that. But also then sometimes there's Bigfoot encounters. There's also like sleep paralysis, alien abduction phenomenon, poltergeist activity. All that stuff. Stuff derives from this binaural beat experience. So yes, something, man, that's a.
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Top Lobster
Just doing it to yourself accidentally. Very cool, David.
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David Lee Corbo
That explains a lot. If that. Imagine that was the case. I was like, yeah, you've been inundated by spooky things for as long as you could remember because you've slept with a fan for as long. I would be so upset.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, it, it's interesting, guys. I, I had a really nasty astral dream about three years ago, and when I woke up, I was like, was that an out of body experience? Did that really happen? Like, and the entity that showed up was a guy that kind of looked like the brawny paper towel guy. He was just like this dude in a flannel shirt with like the red beard, you know, interesting, but he was mean looking, like he's stern looking.
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David Lee Corbo
Clean up that mess. Use.
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Unknown Speaker
Exactly.
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David Lee Corbo
Just that. You know, what's funny is they're, they're starting to try to figure out how to advertise in your dreams now, which is a nightmare. I saw an article on that the other day and I'm like, people have emailed me.
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Unknown Speaker
It's happening.
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David Lee Corbo
I don't.
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Unknown Speaker
People have emailed me. It's happening.
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David Lee Corbo
That's so terrible. How do you even.
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Top Lobster
Please protect the commercial between your dream. I, I wanted to say before we, we end that. So as David is on this other side of it, just like being inundated with dream, getting binaural beatdowns every night. I, I remembered binaural beatdowns, like, because as the show, as we. We've done the show, David's always like, I had this dream. I had this happen to me, a greasy demon. And I'm just like, none of that. And then I was like, wait a second, they had witches in my house. There was like, you know, a year and a half of spiritual warfare that manifested physically. All kinds of crazy, but I just don't see it. I guess I'm busy Doing other things. And I remembered that when I was younger, so going, like, one of the first fallouts of the first church that I went to that I didn't want to go to anymore. I was very young, like maybe 12 to 15 or something like that. I would have, like, a lot of dreams, and my mom kind of, like, latched on to that, and she'd always want to, like, hear about these dreams. And some of them were, like, crazy. It was one that I could remember that, you know, like, I was seeing, you know, Palm Sunday or when Jesus walks through with the palms and he's sitting on the donkey. But for some reason, I could see that it's not Jesus. It's a different thing. On this donkey, I'm having all these dreams. And then my mom is like, well, you got to tell the pastor. You got to talk. You know, let's talk. And I was like. It got to a point where it was like, I don't want to anymore. I don't want them. And for years, I don't have dreams, like. Well, I have, like, you know, some dreams, but it's almost like I asked for that to stop and it shut off, but did, like, now the question is, like, what you say? Which worries me a lot. Vicki, thanks. Thank you very much. Just because, like, I don't remember these things, like, or even fringe was telling us, like, you know, just because you don't remember them or you're not aware of them, like, like. Or did you just ask to be like, you know, I was like, I. I consent, you know, I'm out. I'm out of the fight. So now I'm wondering. Not good.
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David Lee Corbo
There. There's precedent within the Bible. I mean, I'm. I'm not great at scripture, but I seem to remember that there are times when, you know, someone would ask God to. To stop a thing, you know, and it's like, if there's. If it's too much for you, if it really is all consent based, could that be the same thing for. For God, if he's giving you, you know, gifts of some sort, but the gifts are too much for you to handle. What if you ask for them to stop? I don't know.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so I'll nerd out for a little bit there. They call this thin boundary and thick boundary dreaming. And this is based upon a questionnaire that a psychologist came up with. He's now passed away. And then they. It's a questionnaire of all the. That they gave before a sleep study with, like, 90 participants or something back in the 90s. And so thin boundary dreamers are people who, there's a very thin wall between their waking and their dreaming. So when they wake up, they remember a lot of their dreams. They remember a lot of the details. Thick boundary means there's, there's this big wall of separation. And so when they wake up they don't tend to remember anything. Which equates in most people's minds to I don't dream. Right, Everybody does dream. It's whether you remember them or not. And what it really comes down to is the people that remember the most are the people that care about it. They're interested, they're looking for some sort of message. But then you've got, you know, the people over here, they're left brained, they're Navy SEALs, that they're logical, that like they're, they don't have a lot of room for silly supernatural stuff. They're not interested in their dreams. I got things to do, I need my sleep. And you know, and there's not a right or a wrong because even if you remember everything, like I said, it could be screen memories, it could be some sort of prophetic thing that makes no sense to you. Sometimes having all the information just makes people more sidetracked or more confusing. And you can get freedom from things whether you remember it or not. You can pray and say, father in heaven, if I ever made an oath or an agreement or a vow or a promise or signed a contract in, in the heavenly realms in my sleep, in the name of Jesus, disavow me. You don't have to remember. So it's, the information may or may not ultimately be valuable because you can be healed of it without every little detail. So if you're a thick boundary dreamer, you, you are still dreaming, you just don't remember it. And I do occasionally get comments on social media and I don't usually comment back because I'm not trying to be divisive and I don't want to scare people. And I also don't feel that it's my job to reveal things to people. I believe it's the Holy Spirit's job to do that. You don't go up to people and go, oh, you're, you're, you're, you're a survivor of ritual abuse. Like, because if it's not the right time, you're going to freak those people out. And so, but I do get a lot of people saying, I don't have to worry about any of this stuff. I don't dream. And it's like, well, you know, ignorance is bliss, right? But the fact is I, I know that there are times when I'm having nightmares or sleep paralysis and I wake up and I have no memory of it because I travel a lot and a lot of times I have my dad with me. And so on those nights I'll be in, you know, we're in a hotel room and there have been numerous occasions where my dad has woke up and had to pray over me because I was very clearly like calling the name of Jesus out and fearful and, and he'll pray over me. And he says, you, you just take a deep breath and then you roll over and you start sleeping soundly. And so the next morning I don't have a memory of it. I don't remember having a bad dream and I have really good dream recall. And so they're, if they're getting ones over on, on those of us that are thin boundary, they're certainly getting over on the people with the thick boundary. But what I try to tell people so that it they don't get totally freaked out is, oh my gosh, I've never remembered a dream in my whole life. And now you're telling me that I could have all these demonic attachments. Well, no, if you're a targeted individual, you know it, because there's going to be way more signs than just your dreams. There's going to be a lot of other things going on. And so if, if everything that we're talking about is completely outside of your purview of personal experience, I wouldn't be too worried about it. There, there's a lot of other things involved. Most targeted individuals where it starts around three years old, there's sleepwalking, there's nosebleeds, there's anxiety, there's depression, there's a lot of times there's trauma. You're almost assuredly from a, from a bloodline, whether you realize it or not. So it's not just about whether you have bad dreams or you don't or whether you remember them or you don't. So if none of this applies, don't take something on you that you don't need to take on you, like, oh, no, I don't remember my dreams and this could all be happening to me. You would have gotten other clues by now that something is amiss.
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Top Lobster
So if it does apply, then what, what do you do?
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Unknown Speaker
So if it does apply, if I was someone who has no memory of my dreams whatsoever, and I've noticed Even as I get older, I have less and less of a recall. And Raven, like you mentioned earlier, we most likely will remember the dream. That was the last dream we had upon waking. And so if you end up waking up a couple times in the middle of the night, you might remember more of them. But if you have no memory. But there's other things going on where you're starting to think something's weird. Look, we all wake up tired. We wake up stressed out. We wake up dreading our work day and the meeting with the boss and all this stuff. So. But if you're constantly waking up absolutely drained of all energy, exhausted to the point where, hey, I slept eight, nine hours, and I feel like I've been drugged or in your horribly depressed or anxious, and there's no thing in your real life that that is attaching to if I'm trying to think of some of the other, like, dead giveaways. But anyway, what I do, because like I said, I'm starting to not even have a lot of confidence in the dreams that I do remember, because I think in some cases, like the dream I just told you about with the, with the coffee creamer that I remembered and I took at face value. But this is a whole nother show, guy. Guys, the. The mall world dreams, the simulation dreams, the back rooms dreams. I perked up, Raven, when you talked about the mansion, because the man, the mansion is part of the mall world. The amusement park is part of the mall world. So these dreams aren't always demonic or scary or nightmary. They're just weird. Like, you're going through it thinking, like, this is just off and. And the four things to look for in those dreams are people believe that they're lost. They believe they're being chased. Whether they can see who's chasing them or not. They believe they're being observed or tested in some way, or they believe they're on an assignment and they may or may not know what that assignment is. As soon as you figure it out, as soon as you say, oh, crap, I'm in the mall world, that dream will shift to and you'll start over. As soon as you say, in the name of Jesus, get out, you'll wake up. As soon as you're onto them, you'll wake up. Or it'll shift to another dream where you have to kind of start all over and figure out again, like, oh, crap, I'm still here.
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David Lee Corbo
Sometimes when those things happen too, I don't. I can't go right back to sleep because I Could feel intrinsically that, like, I'm gonna get sucked back into there.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
So I have to, like, stay up for a little bit. I'll scroll through my phone or whatever.
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Unknown Speaker
Yep.
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David Lee Corbo
But yeah, like the, the, some of the ones I described to you where I was like running and also the same one with the seeing the alien graze on the phone and then calling on Christ, like, I knew I stayed up for like a little bit and went through my phone because I was like, I can feel somehow I know I'll go back there. I don't want to go back there.
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Unknown Speaker
Yes, absolutely. So I think whether you remember your dreams or you don't be sober minded, be vigilant. Your adversary, the devil, is a prowling lion seeking someone to devour. Lions primarily do their hunting at night. So Christians, all the stuff in the Bible about spiritual warfare that doesn't just operate during the 12 hours of daylight, they're operating 24, 7 when you're asleep, there's still an opportunity for spiritual warfare. And so part of being sober minded and vigilant is praying before you go to bed, very specific prayers, praying when you wake up. Now, I tend to, when I go to bed, I don't focus on all the things I don't want to have happen because you can actually, you know, if you're going to bed with all of these fears of what might happen when you go to sleep, it's probably not going to benefit you. So when I, when I go to bed at night, I focus on what I do want to have happen. And so I've turned a portion of the latter half of Song of Solomon, chapter three into a prayer. And I say, jesus, I am my beloved's and my beloved is mine. Put me in the king's palanquin, Surround me with 60 mighty men girded with swords who are ready for war to protect me from the terrors of the night. In the name of Jesus. And, and then I say, within that palanquin, Jesus, I want to, I want to be within the walls of that, that, that Koopa or that, that, you know, container. I want to be with you. I want to, you know, and, and I don't mean astral projection, guys, and I don't mean Jesus shows up every night and all this kind of stuff. I just mean that within that palanquin, it doesn't even have to be a dream. What it means is when I hit an REM state, I want my dorsolateral prefrontal cortex to shut down and get its rest. I, I Want the forces of God on the outside of, of this dream chamber to be doing all the heavy lifting for me and protecting me because I need to get my rest. And, and so if, if your prefrontal cortex is flipping on all throughout the night because it's sensing danger, and then you're having to do this warfare, that's great, like, that's awesome, that you all of a sudden become aware like, oh crap, I'm in trouble in the name of Jesus. But when you're doing that numerous times a night or you're doing it numerous times a week and your sleep is getting interrupted and it's exhausting and you're not getting the sleep that you need, and that's going to have other effects on mental, physical relationships. You know, when you're, when you're sleep deprived, you're, you're mean and you're short with people and you're snapping at people. And so it's just exhausting. And a lot of people that go through this sort of targeting, it's not even the demonic stuff. It's just the exhaustion of, of the relentless attack on our sleep. So whether you remember the dreams or you don't just learn how to pray, warfare prayers before you go to bed, learn when you wake up to just automatically say, father, if I made any agreements, promises, oaths, covenants, contracts, if I did anything in my sleep, type that was unpleasing to you or that formed an attachment or gave permission to the spirit realm, I pray in the name of Jesus, you would disavow me of that in Jesus name. And doesn't have to be something formulated, you know, you just pray in faith and you, you trust that, that Jesus is taking care of, of the stuff. Because these, this, this enemy, he doesn't play fair. He, he doesn't play fair and he banks on our ignorance. And even in the things that I'm saying, okay, now you're accountable for this because you've heard me say it. If you walk away saying, what a bunch of garbage, I became a Christian, none of these things can touch me, that's fine, but risk it at your own peril. Because these things have been around for thousands and thousands and thousands of years and they got human beings figured out because we're not that hard to figure out.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, very clever, very sneaky, very deceptive. And they operate in a way, I think, where it's best for them. If you don't even think they exist, if you think this is all purely psychological, even sometimes if you think your own Thoughts or impulses are your own and they're not something nudging you one way or the other that works to their advantage. Immensely. Immensely. The I think it's their first line of defense is having you believe that these things are machinations of your own mind and that the spiritual realm doesn't exist or has little to do with whatever you're experiencing. If they can operate there, then they really have you. And then anything else beyond that levels of awareness are to your advantage. So, Vicki, I want to thank you for your time. I know we took you all over the place and I'm glad that we managed to get in this discussion about dreams. I think I can see just based off of the chat that this is very valuable. Valuable to people. It certainly is to me, given all my, my strangeness. And so I think going to be something that I like when we make an episode that, that serves people. And I, and I think this one will do just that. So thank you for coming and hanging out with us again and one more time I'll go ahead.
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Top Lobster
It's been a week of what we, what we needed asked has just like, they're like, well, it's on your show now. Yeah, go ahead and ask the right questions, you know.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Awesome.
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David Lee Corbo
This show is like a, you know, it's a tool for us as much as it is, you know, we're fascinated by this information and we want to pursue the truth in a closer relationship with God. And it's like this show for as entertaining, I'm sure, as it is for many people. And as interesting as it is, it's, it's, it serves us and I think it does the same for other people. So one more time, Vicki, where can everybody find your work?
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. Vicki Joy Anderson, everything, everywhere you can find me is somewhere on that site, pretty much right on the home page. So if you want to email me, you hit that contact button. If you don't hear back from me in like seven days, it might mean I didn't get the email. So feel free to email me again. But anyway, would love to see any of you in Ohio or Oklahoma or Springfield, Missouri, check out the events. But yeah, everything's right there on vickyjoyanderson.com and guys, thank you so much for having me on. I love hanging out with you guys. I always feel like I'm, you know, back in high school in my, my brother's room holding our guitars together and just chatting, which was like one of my favorite memories was hanging out with my brother and he would show me little things on the guitar and we would just talk and I always feel that way when I'm with you guys.
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Top Lobster
That's cool. Maybe. Maybe we'll jam one day. I play. I play guitar.
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David Lee Corbo
I'm musically inept, but I can sit around and enjoy it. Yeah. It's always a pleasure talking to you, Vicki. And this isn't going to be the last time. We'll have you back soon.
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Unknown Speaker
Awesome.
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David Lee Corbo
So thank you once again. Top. You want to bring us out of here, guys?
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Top Lobster
Don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see you later.
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David Lee Corbo
The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
A problem box in the corner of the room.
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David Lee Corbo
It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
You can persuade that what they see with their eyes is what there is.
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Unknown Speaker
To see.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Because they'll in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture.
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Unknown Speaker
And they have.
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Top Lobster
What's up guys? Top lobster here. We're going to leave you with another preview from a old show. This is a episode 7 of the book of Revelation series by Ed Mabry. I'm pushing this hard because I feel like people should listen to it if you haven't already. There's like a 25 part series on it. So you scroll up or scroll down in this feed and you'll find it. It's all the Book of Revelation series. Go check it out. Anyway, here's episode seven. I don't even remember what we spoke about, but I'm sure it's going to be Great. Put about 30 minutes here for you guys. See you later.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Yeah, so I just, I'll just break it all down where we've been the last seven. So you know, we started with, you know, this just the introduction that this is like the revelation of Jesus Christ. This is God revealing Jesus to Jesus and being. And being written down by the Apostle John on the island of Patmos. And he talks and he. And Jesus gives him the outline. He says, you know, write down what, what you have seen, which is a vision of Jesus. Write down the things which are, which are the, the church age which we're currently in. And then write down things which will be after these things or metatauta, which is the future. So we, we talked about that. We went through the seven letters of seven churches and how that pertains to. To basically to us. It outlines all of church history in advance all the way up until the current church age, which I think is the last age. The, the Laodicean age where everyone is just. No one takes a stand. Everyone's just, you know, being comfortable and, and then we shifted. It's in after these things. So after the church age, now we're in the future and the scene shifts to the heavens and we see the continuation of a trial that began in the. The book of Daniel. We're going to go back to Daniel heavily today because we're going to talk about the tribulation today and that. And, and so that trial was where the, the bad guys, the evil Elohim, the fallen angels and Satan and all that, they laid out their plan of how they're going to basically take the world, how they're going to usurp the plan of God of Jehovah through these four empires, starting with the Babylonian empire, which Daniel was in at time the same. And also the Medo Persian Empire, which Daniel was in the beginning of that one as well. Then the Greek empire and then the final empire, which is the Roman Empire. And we talked about how that actually continues to this day. It just. The Roman Empire was never conquered. It just transformed from a, from senatorial dictatorship to a theocracy that we call the Vatican. And then God said, okay, that's your plan. Great, now I'm going to give you my plan. And here. And my plan is to have a. What's called us, who was called the son of man riding on the cloud that God is called. It's the cloud rider. That's how the Israelites knew him. And so you have a man riding on the cloud. So a man with the authority of God would come and he would inherit the nations and that would be his. That would be his inheritance. So the whole principle behind that was you speak something into one realm and it manifests in the other realm. So the evil Elohim spoke their plan. They had to. It wasn't an option. You have to speak your plan. Because all of everything that's done is done with words. You know, God created the world with words. Words are extremely powerful. So they gave their plan. And, and so then, so, and it's going to manifest. We've seen it because again, Daniel only lived during the Babylonian and Medo Persian Empire. But then the Greek Empire happened, the Roman Empire happened, and everything else is going to happen, so it's going to happen. So then God could directly say that I can judge you now. And so they put on a trial. And we discover that in, in Revelation, some secrets that God kept. God was kind of playing 3D chess or 4D chess with him. He was saying, okay, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do. I'm not going to tell you how. So they didn't know that, you know, in order for this son of man to inherit the world, he had to die. They didn't. They knew he was coming, but they didn't know he had to die, otherwise they wouldn't have killed him. They say, hey, let's keep this guy alive. But. But they did. They didn't know that. So they killed him thinking they would get rid of the problem. They just made their problem worse. And they also didn't know that the church would be the one to wants to be the final judges. Because in the Book of Daniel you had thrones set up, but it didn't say anyone was on the thrones. Then when we get to Revelation chapters four and five, we see now that the people on the church are called the 24 elders who sing a song that said that they were redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, means that they are believers. So believers were, are the witnesses and jury in this trial. And those seven letters were telling the church, all of us how we should interact with the world for our own maximum profitability, but also so that we'd be, we'd have the, the, the right to, to judge them. And you know, the Apostle Paul himself says, hey, don't you know, we will judge the angel, we will judge the Elohim. So then, and then last time we talked about the seven seals because the. There was this, this scroll in the right hand of, of the Father of Jehovah that no one could open. No one was worthy to open it. This is the title deed to the earth forth. But it turns out that there was one who was worthy of opening it. It was said the Lamb who was slain from the, from the foundation of the world, which is Jesus, He. He was worthy to open the seals and he opened those seven seals. We talked about the seven seals last time and I gave the traditional view, which is that the opening of those seven seals, the first four of which are the fourth four horsemen of the Apocalypse. And then you have the fifth is the martyrs and the six of the cosmic disturbances, the earthquakes and the stars falling from heaven. And so the classic view is that that's either the beginning of the tribulation period, the beginning of God's judgments, or it's an overview of the, of all the judgments. I gave an alternative view. I actually think that those four horsemen are not from God. They're actually from Satan. They're from the bad guys. This is a false apocalypse because again, The Antichrist is a. A false Christ. He is a false messiah. And in order to have a false messiah, we got to have a false apocalypse. We're, you know, everyone knows that we're due for an apocalypse. Even in the secular world, you look at movies and TV shows and books, they're all about the apocalypse. But. So they're going to have this false apocalypse that's going to be engineered. And you guys had a guest kind of talking about this in a. In a kind of a different vein, saying that I forgot what he. What he called it. Yes, exactly.
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David Lee Corbo
Little season in that we were going to experience a manufactured apocalypse, which is incredibly compelling and does sync up pretty nicely with what you've been talking about.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
So. Yeah, right. So this is that false. That little season, the false apocalypse. And because they. The bad guys bring it about, they're going to be the ones who solve it and say, hey, look at us. And then the last part, the sixth seal, is when you have the earth opening up and you have the stars of heaven, which is an idiom for the angels, for the Elohim being cast down to Earth. So the, the Elohim are all kicked out of the heavens. Who. Because many of them are still, you know, in the heavenly realm. Now they're kicked out in the heavenly realm. It just means. It doesn't mean it's where God is. It just means you're in a spiritual realm. So they're kicked out of the spiritual realm and the earth opens up to let the ones who are imprisoned underneath the earth and in the ocean their mouth. So basically, what's happening is God put. Is putting all of the players on the table because it's time for judgment. But since they know this is coming, my other theory is that this is what Project Bluebeam is all about. They're going to masquerade as our space brothers or our ascended masters. They're. They're gonna say, we're your creators and we've come to you during this time of trauma that we created in order to save you from yourselves. And, hey, and here's our. Here's your new leader. And, you know, he's in the Antichrist. They won't call him out, of course. I mean, we're going to talk about. We'll do a deep dive into, into the Antichrist coming up in a few episodes now. But yeah, that's. That's their plan. But that's not the actual judgment. This is a precursor. I think. This happens between the, the first of the three raptures we talked about the raptures a few episodes ago and. And. But before. It happens after that first rapture, and it happens before the actual tribulation. So what's the tribulation? Well, that's what we're going to talk about today.
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Top Lobster
You know, Ed, I. I wanted to bring it back to, I think, like the middle episodes you were talking about, because you brought it to my attention about how important it is to speak like this, to speak something into, you know, not to get like a white girl holistic. Speak something into the universe. Universe and kind of manifest it. And it does sound stupid, but I think because our culture has made it stupid. But in. In the end, it's kind of really important. And something behind the scenes that happened with, I guess, me and David for some reason last night. I just. I texted him and I said, hey, when did you.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
He.
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Top Lobster
Before I, like, we started this show, he had seen a. Like a palm reader or something like that.
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David Lee Corbo
It wasn't a palm reader. I. I was in New Orleans. This is before we started Nephilim Death Squad and visited a tarot card reader. Right.
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Top Lobster
And he had mentioned that to me a long time ago, and I was just like. Like, that's gay. I never really brought it up again.
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David Lee Corbo
So was the tarot card reader, by the way. He was. He was definitively a gay dude. So just just not great.
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Top Lobster
Something. Something. Yesterday, kind of like, it was like, yo, text this guy and tell him that he needs to ask God to close any doorways that might have been opened inside of him by doing this nephilim.
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David Lee Corbo
And.
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Top Lobster
And he then he told me later, he was like, I was just talking about my wife, talking with my wife about this guy and that he also. You also had the inclination for whatever reason, to get baptized.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, it was. It was a really weird day.
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Top Lobster
It was a weird day.
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David Lee Corbo
It was a really weird day. Yeah. So, Ed, one of the things that you said during the series that really stuck with me was just like, you know, praying is important, but God wants you to talk to him.
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Unknown Speaker
Him.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
And so I've been implementing that a lot. And when I tell you that I have seen. How would you describe it? I've seen the fruits of communicating with God a lot more obviously than I have in the past. It's almost like he's communicating directly back with me. And basically what happened was we had a. We did a show. And after the show, I went to go to the pool with my son, and I got excited because I've been working out. So I'm like, I. I Hit a new speed. I'm swimming laps and I'm like, damn, I'm going pretty fast here. So I start swimming laps aggressively. And I get nauseous because I push myself to the limit because I'm a psychopath. And I go to lay down now. And as I'm laying down, I start talking to God. And I'm basically saying, and I know this is not the same thing as a baptism, but what I'm. What I'm saying to God is to. To clear me of any rights or authority that might be had over me by some sort of dark entities and to cleanse me of any iniquities that, you know, that I might have and to fill me with the Holy Spirit. And after I'm done saying that, I'm just kind of like having conversation. Not really a prayer. I'm just talking. And then I. I jump into the pool. Not really a baptism. I know a public pool is not the place. There's like clumps of floating hair and all these things. But. But after I get out of it, all these things start happening. We get these really amazing opportunities that show up. And then in conjunction with that, I open an old DM from somebody who never communicated with me, but reached out to specifically just to say, have you ever been baptized? And I said, no, this was over a year, almost a year ago. I said, no, maybe when I was a baby, I think, but not like actively as an adult. And they said, you need to get baptized. It acts as a exorcism. But also speaking from their point of view, as someone who was a believer, getting baptized brought it to a new level. And I was like, that's fascinating that I would randomly open this dm. And then in between those two events, I'm walking and talking with my wife and I'm saying, wow, we have this new opportunity. It's going to put me in front of a lot of people. And it's going to. People are going to feel passionately about it. A lot of people are going to hate us for the position that we take. That is just like the Tarot reader in New Orleans said. They said that we're going to find success in our endeavors, but people. There are a great amount of people that will hate us for it. And so I'm talking about these things, right? Baptism, the tarot card reader. I'm asking God to clear me of any inequities. And all of a sudden my co host DMS me and says, hey.
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Unknown Speaker
You.
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David Lee Corbo
Need to talk to God to close any doorways that these things might have to you. And also, when, when did you talk to that tarot card reader? How long ago was that? And I was like, to me, it just seems so clear when I said, like, God is speaking back. When you, when you talk to God, it's like, here's the path. I always talk to God and I pray to God and I ask that whatever path that I'm on is the one that he set for me and that my will is alignment with his will. And it's like he showed me, well, here's the path, but also, this is something that you need to do. And, and then because I decided that I need to get baptized, I had like, some sort of strange spiritual attack last night. I had sleep paralysis for the first time in a long time. The room felt very dark and eerie. I had a nightmare that I was being tossed around my apartment in the dark by some unseen force. Very strange. So, you know, but it is interesting, Ed, because I, I, when you said that God wants you to speak to him, that prayer is good, but God wants you to speak to him. I, it's like, as a father, that struck me because I'm like, of course, like, you want your children to speak to you.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Right, Exactly.
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David Lee Corbo
And as soon as I did, I feel like, man, it became, you spend your, your time looking around for, in ways that God might be speaking to you. He'll start speaking a lot louder if you start speaking to him.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Yeah. And, and what happened to you is, is because, you know, the, the evil Elohim, they don't like that. The, the demons of, you know, the, the nephilim spirits, they, they hate it. There's no saying, but not a saying, but something that my old mentor, Chuck Missler, who passed away several years ago, would say. He says, if you don't believe in Satan, just try opposing him for a little while and you will become a believer. Because if you, as long as, like, you're not opposing him, you're fine, you, it's not going to bother you. But as soon as they sense in the spirit, oh, this guy's becoming dangerous. He's. Then they're gonna, they're gonna come at you because they're trying to intimidate you. Don't let them do it. I mean, you call on the name of Jesus, say Yeshua, Hamashiach, whatever you, however you want to say it, and they flee. I think I gave, I sent, you know, top that, that, that spiritual warfare prayer, which is a long, like, you know, five, six pages long, like it's intense.
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Top Lobster
And, you know, I filmed in the Telegram Chat, if anybody wants that, it should still be at the top. So.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
So, yeah, it's long, but it's necessary. I mean, depending on what's going on with you, it's because, I mean, there's warfare happening and you've gotta, you know, you got to stake your claim. You gotta just. But you have the authority. I mean, Jesus, one of the things he did, people talk about. Why did Jesus come? Well, he came to teach us love and, you know, know, heal and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, sure. But he also came, one of the things people rarely talk about. And by people, I mean, even the Bible teachers. Jesus came to give us authority over the Elohim realm. That is a huge part about it. No one was casting out demons before Jesus. You won't see that anywhere in the Old Testament.
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David Lee Corbo
Serpents and scorpions.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Right, Right, exactly. And this astonished the. His disciples and all the followers. They said, well, who is. Who is this guy that even the. The spirits obey him? And he gave. He said, I give you that authority. Said everything that I do, you will do even greater things. And that's because, you know, there'll be more of us. He multiplied us. So, yeah, you have the authority. That's the bottom line. You have the authority over it. And you speak words. Words. Spiritual warfare is done with words. And you can, you know, you can speak words over yourself, over your family and. And they have to wait. We were given. We were given that authority, but very few of us, very few Christians walk in that authority. We're just like, oh, the devil's coming after me. Well, come back. Come back after him. You have authority over him. Why are you just, you know, don't be a punching bag.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, I. I just want to say this, and then we'll get on to the. The meat of the episode. But when I first started the show, well, really, when I. I moved to Florida, so like, two years ago now. Also my trip to New Orleans, which we talked about briefly, you know, being a new homeowner, I experience, like, a tremendous amount of very clearly supernatural experiences. And I'm no stranger to that. You know, I just kind of come from. I think my. My grandmother, I. I do believe, like, thought she was a witch and probably screwed up. You know, you talk about generational iniquity. Probably got some of that going on. And. But when I came to Florida and I started the show, I started the show because I became convicted in my ideas about Christ being the way and the biblical lens being the most Effective one to see the world through because of supernatural experiences that really hit a peak. And I started to have. Have a lot of things happen, but was, you know, wielding essentially the name of Christ to make these events stop. And the more the events happen, the more I became vindicated, the more I started to go down this path. Then they stopped. And I almost feel like it's because it's like, oh, it's not working. The more things that happen to, you know, that we do to him, the more he moves towards Christ. And so I think it stopped for a second, but it. It was always there. And then I think the decision to get baptized was like. Almost like a writhing point. And that's kind of what I was experiencing there. And so which in my book, it's like every time they show themselves and I have an experience, they're just shooting themselves in the foot because it only vindicates me further. So, you know, I'm going to a Greek Orthodox church this Sunday to start this one around the corner for me to start the conversation, because I don't really attend any. Any physical, physical church, but I think it's time to do something, clearly. But yeah. All right, so besides that, let's get into this. The meat, besides all that crazy ass. I just don't want the whole thing to be about my insane, you know, just bizarre experiences. But.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
No, but, you know, it shows you on the right path. I mean, if you. If you weren't a danger, you wouldn't be targeted.
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David Lee Corbo
Right, right. That's, uh. And like I said, you know, a lot of the time we talk to people. We did this big episode with Dave Smith and Clint Russell, and, you know, these are two almost purely political figures, I would say, purely political figures. And we're trying to talk to them about the supernatural realm and, and God. And it's like trying to talk to, you know, a blind person about color. I really do feel bad for people who don't. It's like, you know, to. To wish an experience on someone is, you know, if you have a negative supernatural experience, they're horrifying. The level of terror associated with them is, you know, it's like bone shaking and. But it grants you. If you can not deny it. If you can get past that, that, that safety mechanism that the brain deploys to try to make it so that it didn't happen and that wasn't what it was. And you look for a million different reasons to explain it away. If you can shut that down and look at it for what it really was. It changes the entire way you perceive, you know, this existence for the better, dramatically, if you're looking at it through the right lens. And so, you know, for a lot of people, it's like, yeah, even though it's horrifying, I wish it upon you.
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Unknown Speaker
You.
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David Lee Corbo
I wish that one day you, you have an experience where you can see that there is. We are engaged in spiritual warfare. And if you can just see that, then you know that there are sides and that's the beginning of it. Go ahead.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
I can tell you every. As the days and weeks go by, I'm more and more amazed when people aren't at least acknowledging the spiritual. I'm not saying that everyone has to be a Christian. They won't be. Most people aren't going to be. We, we know that, that. But people who deny, deny that there's any kind of spiritual realm. Like, how can you, at this point, how can you even do that? Whether or not you believe what I believe, at least acknowledge that there's something beyond just Democrats and Republicans and, you know, there's, there's more to life than Trump and Biden and whatever else. Not saying that stuff's not important, but.
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David Lee Corbo
It'S actually kind of a relief, isn't it?
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Yeah, exactly.
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David Lee Corbo
It's like, thank God there's more than this, right?
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Actually, yeah. Because how depressing would it be if that was all we had, where we were relying on the politicians in Washington to save us or whatever, but in the people that they're reporting to, who control them? Who, you know, the bankers. Who, People who control the bankers. They're at the highest levels. We talked about this before. They're worshiping these fallen Elohim who are, who are empowering them, you know, but. And this will be a segue back into revelation. We think we talked about last time at this point in the, in this, in the narrative, there are no more atheists. Once you get to this, the, those seals, when those are opened up and you have Nephilim on the earth with the, the, the beast of the earth, Etherion, he got this we talked about with the, with the Fourth Horsemen and all this kind of stuff. No, there's not, there's not going to be any more Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris's. If they're still alive, they're like, yes, sorry, our bad. We were wrong. There really is something. Now they won't believe in the God of the Bible, but they, they will believe in spirit. Everyone will be spiritual at this point.
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Top Lobster
Well, as, at this point right now, where we are today. Those people have been moved out of the way like that Sam Harris type character. Almost all of them have been exposed for how stupid they are. That happened with COVID So most of those atheist players are off the table already. There's a couple still lingering, lingering around, but I don't think anyone takes them seriously.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Yeah, totally. All right, so we're going to talk about the, the Tribulation. This is kind of the, the meat of the book of Revelation. When most people think of Revelation, this is what they think about. This is, you know, the, the judge, God's judgments being poured out, God's wrath, you know, the plagues and all these various, you know, rivers and oceans turning to blood and, you know, fire and brimstone and all that. But before we get into the details of it, because, you know, this, I think when, when the seventh seal is open, this is when it's going to start. Let me just back up as far as the timing of it. I think that the actual tribulation, this seven year period is going to start right in the midst of what's happening with those seals. And we're going to find out why. Because the, the start of the tribulation has everything to do with the Antichrist, not with Christians or the Rapture or anything like that. So what, what is this seven year tribulation? Well, if you have some people who, who are listening who are kind of sticklers for, for details and, and they will tell you what they're. The Bible never calls it the seven year Tribulation. And they're right. The term tribulation as for that seven year period is something that Christians call it. But there is, but the tribulation, the word tribulation just means trouble. It means a time of trouble and distress. That's what it generally means. So we've had plenty of periods of trouble and distress. You know, we've had, had, we had, you know, we had Covert. We had nine, 11. We had, you know, the Vietnam War and World War I and 2. Those were times of tribulation. But this period is specific. This is, this is a specific period of time that is going to be the worst time in history. Jesus himself said in Matthew 24 that this will be a time that is unlike any other time. This, there's never been a time of tribulation like this on earth, ever. And it will be the last period of time. So this, this seven year period, this is the last, last seven years of the rule of evil on the earth, be it evil men, evil, elohim, this will be it. At the end of this seven year period, that will be the end. And then there'll be the kingdom of Jesus. So which sounds good and it will be good, but it's got to be, it's not going to be what people think it is. It's not going to be quite the paradise people are expecting. So I just leave that seed there because we have a ways to go before we get to the, the thousand year kingdom. But I'll just again leave that seed there.
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David Lee Corbo
There.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
So where do we get this notion of the, this seven year period? It actually starts with in the, in the book of Daniel, which I mentioned before. Daniel is probably my second favorite book to read in the Bible, second to Revelation, because Daniel, you can almost call Daniel like the prequel to Revelation because if you don't understand what's going on in Daniel, you're not going to understand Revelation. I think one of the many reasons that people have trouble with Revelation is they read it in isolated form. Harm, you have to, not only do you need to understand Daniel, you need to understand most of the Old Testament to understand the book of Revelation, but especially Daniel. We again, the whole trial thing, you, you will rarely hear teachers talk about this, this trial being set up in Revelation 4 and 5 because again, they're not paying attention to Daniel. So just to set up a scenario of what was happening with, with Daniel, Daniel got a prophecy that basically outlined this period of time among other things. So where we are now is Daniel's an old man. So Daniel was taken captive into Babylon when, when the Babylonian empire conquered Israel was part of the judgment of God because they fell into, into idolatry. And God said, if you, if you worship other Elohim, I'll kick you out of the land. So Nebuchadnezzar was his tool. Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonians took over. They, they conquered Israel, they destroyed Jerusalem and they took the Israelites into captivity. Daniel was one of them. But Daniel had favor with Nebuchadnezzar. He became basically the prime minister. He, Nebuchadnezzar elevated him to that level. So at this point, when he was a teenager, Daniel did that. We talked about that last time. So at this point Daniel's an old man. The Babylonian empire has been conquered by the Persian empire. And God told them specifically that you will be in captivity in Babylon for 70 years. Well, we're at year 70. So they're about to, the captivity is about to be over. And Daniel again, he's an old man. It's been 70 plus years since he's in his 80s at this point. And so he's praying for God to fulfill his promise and to release them. And he prays for 21 days. And at day 21, he gets visited by an angel, A, A good, a holy angel by the name of Gabriel. And Gabriel, interestingly, Gabriel said, hey, you know, I, Jehovah sent me to you the first day you started praying. It took me 21 days to get here because for 21 days I was being opposed by another angel called the Prince of the power of Persia, who was. Again, the Persian empire was in power at this time. So they were. So because the Persian empire was the world empire they had, they were giving all of their attention, all their praise and worship to the Prince of Persia, this Elohim who ruled over Persia. He had power and he was able to withstand against. He was able to block him because he knew, hey, Daniel's important. If anyone's coming to give a Daniel a message, let's stop him. Anyway, not to belabor that point, but he gets to Daniel and he gives him a prophecy. And I'm gonna, I'm just gonna read it to you. It's called, it's a famous prophecy called the 70 weeks prophecy. It was four verses. I'm gonna read it really quick. I'm gonna break down what it means. So starting a Daniel chapter, if you want to look it up, Daniel chapter nine, starting at verse 24, said, 70 weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city. To finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up the vision and prophecy and anoint the most holy. So basically what's going on here is he said that in 70 weeks of years, everything's done. This will be 70 weeks of years is what it's going to take to basically end all of evil. Sin's going to be taken care of. It's going to anoint the most holy kingdom, that's everyone you own. There's only 70 weeks of years left. So 70 weeks of years, what does that mean? Well, in, in back then, the Israelites kept. They, they had weeks of years, just like we know we have weeks of days, which is, you know, seven days. They also had weeks of years. So seven years. So a week of years, it's called a shabuyam in Hebrew. It's so just like, like we, you know, we count years and sets of ten we call decades. They will have their Sets of years and seven called the Shabuyam. So, so those 70 weeks of year. So it's basically 490 years. So in 490 years God's that's. That's all of history. That's all that's going to be left. So and so the next verse, verse 25 says know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem Islam until Messiah, the Prince Mashiach Nagir in, in Hebrew, There shall be 7 weeks and 62 weeks or 69 weeks altogether, the street shall be built again the wall, even in troublesome times. So what he's saying here is that there from once there's a decree to rebuild Jerusalem, Jerusalem was have been destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar. From the time that decree goes out to rebuild Jerusalem, there will be 69 weeks of years or 483 years until the coming of the Messiah. So that they know that's the exact date the Messiah is going to be. So that's, so that decreed to rebuild Jerusalem. That's a matter of historical record. That is the decree of Artaxerxes. So a few years after Daniel had this prophecy, the the Persian emperor by the name of Cyrus releases the Jewish people release the Israelites to go back to their land. Land says you guys, you're free to go. You're. You don't have to be in captivity anymore. And many of them did, some of them stayed because they were comfortable. They had been in there. They've been there for 70 years. But they went back to Jerusalem. They went back to, to Israel, to the land of Israel. Then there is the actual decree to rebuild Jerusalem. Again a matter of historic record. It's called the decree of Arctic of King Artaxerxes. He's this Cyrus's grandson, decrees and allows him to rebuild Jerusalem and rebuild the wall. So that's a matter of record. That's when the countdown begins. So 483 years from that is when the Messiah will come. And if you actually do the math, I, I had a, a link on my. On faithbyreason.net in that in, in the blog post where I talk about this, I used to have it where someone did the actual calculation and it came out that that time was that 483 years was about 32 AD which was the exact day that what we call Palm Sunday when Jesus presented himself as king and you know, he wrote on the back of a donkey, that was the exact day. So that prophecy was fulfilled to the day. So the question is, well, shouldn't the world have ended seven years after that? Well, let's read on and find out why it didn't. So going to verse 26. Verse 26 is after the 62 weeks, the Messiah will be cut off. Cut off. The word in Hebrew is karak. It means to be executed. It says, so after 62 weeks, or after 483 years, the Messiah will be executed, but not for himself, but for us, basically. And the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and sanctuary, and the end of it will be with a flood and, and until the end of war. Until the end of war and desolations are determined. So it says that at, at year 483, the Messiah will be executed again. We know that he was crucified, right? But then some things happen that from that happen after the 483 years, but before that final seven years. And it says the people of the prince who will come. The prince who will come is one of the names of the Antichrist. So the people of the Antichrist will destroy Jerusalem. And that happened in 70 A.D. 70 A.D. was the siege of Jerusalem by Titus Vespasian, who was the Roman general son of the son of the emperor he destroyed in 70 A.D. so you have at least a gap there of 40 years because Jesus was crucified around the 32 A.D. and the siege of Jerusalem was around 70. Was at 70 A.D. so that's almost, that's 40 years right there. So there's a gap in between that 69th and 70th week. And we know now that that gap has lasted 2,000 years. Go ahead, Raven.
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David Lee Corbo
I just wanted to ask something. It's, it's, it's lingering on my mind. This, this, we see this like seven appearing over and over again.
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Top Lobster
Sorry, what, what year did you say that, that it would have ended?
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Vicki Joy Anderson
I'm sorry. Well, the 480, 483 years would have ended about 32 A.D. it's a little off because, you know, a Gregorian calendar is, is different than the Jewish calendar. 365 days versus 360 days. But there was someone who did a calculation of it. I used to have the link, but his, his website went down where he actually went through. He, he, he collated the two calendars, the Jewish calendar and the Gregorian calendar, and he came up with, okay, this is the exact day that Jesus would have had to present himself as the king. And it turned out it was about 32 A.D. interesting.
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Top Lobster
There's, there's some people with like this, this year, 536 A.D. have you ever heard of this? It's like the worst year in the world. Every volcano erupted. There was darkness.
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David Lee Corbo
We talked about with, with Paul and, and, and JT.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, there was darkness for 18 months. The bubonic plague, like a year.
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David Lee Corbo
Just.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
I never related stuff, by the way. Yeah, I, I didn't hear about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
That was a, A fascinating discussion that we had with them. But I, I wanted to talk about this whole seven thing, right? Seven seals, seven trumpets. Daniel prays for 21 days. That's seven times three. The 70 weeks prophecy, the seven years of, of tribulation. Is this all to emulate God? Like it's, it's not, not an homage, but like this is almost like this, this repeating pattern of God creating the world in seven days. Is that what it is from. Or is there something else to it?
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Vicki Joy Anderson
I, I think I, I think you're on to it. Seven is. Again, I'm not an expert in, in biblical numerology. I've studied it, studied it a bit, but I'm not exper. Expert in it. But I know that 7 is the number of. Says the number of perfection. But perfection doesn't mean, you know, purity. It means completeness. Basically, seven something. Seven means it's complete.
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David Lee Corbo
Interesting.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Okay. Six is a number of man because man is incomplete. Then you have like, you hear other people say, you know, the 4 is the number of grace and 10 is a number. 10 and 12 are like numbers of, of order and government. So there are people who much who know, know the numerology much more than, Much better than I do. But I do know that seven always means complete. If something. Seven, if something is done in the seventh, it means it's complete. So seven days of creation, that's all of creation was done, right? The seven years of the tribulation means that this is it. This is like the. So seven means complete.
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David Lee Corbo
Fascinating. There is because, you know, there's all this. There's a lot of really fascinating things with numerology, but I'm very hesitant because I see a lot of numerologists and numerology being leveraged by like people that are into sort of a Jewish mysticism or Kabbalah or things of that nature. And I don't believe that. I think there is something divine to it. I don't think that negative entities can create. They can only corrupt. And so there is something there, but it's like, you know, I'm blocked from understanding it because I run into all of these These kind of sketchy alleyways when trying to understand it. And. And 7 is just one of those numbers that's always fascinated me. But all right, I don't want to.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
It's intentional because it. If you corrupt something and then, like you said, then you don't want to study because you're like, I don't. This is. You know, there's too many occult stuff, too much occult stuff attached to it. A perfect example of that is what we call the zodiac. Now the star. Now there the. The original zodiac, which we call. So it comes from the Greek word zoa.
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Unknown Speaker
And.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
But the. The Hebrew term for it is the Maseroth. Now, the Maseroth was put in the skies to tell the story of redemption. God put that in the sky. He says, in Genesis, I put the stars in the sky for you to mark seasons and times. And if you actually look at it from the biblical standpoint, the message was in the skies during the time of Adam, you had Virgo, the virgin, which is. That's the start of the year in the Jewish calendar. The Jewish calendar starts to. In. In September, our September, which is the time for Virgo. I know this because I dated a Virgo and she was. I know that because she told me all the time. Well, I did this because I'm a Virgo. Like, no, you did because you're an. If you want to blame it on some star that was in the sky when you were born, whatever.
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Top Lobster
I can't confirm I'm a Virgo. So sorry.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Just her. You're great. Other Virgos. But anyway, so it's also Virgo, the virgin birth Earth. And it ends with Leo the lion, the lion of the tribe of Judah. So it's really. Which is, you know, the Jesus coming as a king. So if you start with that, if you. And there you can go to websites and. And look at the gospel and the stars and look that up, if you guys have a chance to Google that. And you'll see some people have done deep study on this and they will show how the constellations tell the entire story of redemption. So the story of redemption was in the stars, you know, from day one. And so whenever someone tells me, well, you know, you can't trust the Bible because the Bible was written, you know, thousands of hundreds or thousands of years after this other holy book, and they just copied it. I'm like, no, no, the only way you can tell me that the Bible that was copied from something else or the Bible wasn't. What. It wasn't God's Word, you have to tell me that whatever holy book you're talking about was written before the stars were put in heaven because that's the first word of God is the Maseroth. The Maserov again in Greek is Zoa. Zoa in Greek means the way what the first disciples, they didn't call themselves Christians. Christians was a pejorative name that the Romans gave them because Christian means little Christ. But they called it what the disciples call themselves. You see this in the Bible. They call themselves the followers of the way. They called that. They call themselves that in the Book of Acts. They were basically saying, we're the ones who are following this, this message in the stars that Jehovah put there, you know, thousands of years ago. We're following that.
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Top Lobster
Oh yeah, that's what this means.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
But the point I was making is that people have corrupted that and turned it into something occult so that, so that Christians like, oh, I'm not going to mess with the, with the zodiac or all these astrological stuff because that's, that's from Satan. Yeah, well, he corrupted what God originally put there for, for to give us the story of redemption.
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Top Lobster
And it's, I mean even, even with the story of Jesus, like the only way the Magi found him were by following the stars. They were just walking across land looking at the stars and they're like, he's right there. So something special about that. And yeah, it is one of those things. If you do talk to another Christian, like, don't mess with it. And I kind of agree, like, don't mess with it if we, if you don't know what it is, like, don't mess with it. But like, I don't know, maybe we have to find somebody who's in it and like a real expert at this stuff. If, if, if we're gonna like suggest.
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David Lee Corbo
I talked about that this morning on, on Timeline Cleanse because numerology has always fascinated me and I said the best thing that I can come up with is like, if you're going to go that direction, like talk to God, pray to Jesus Christ for discernment and to. I, I mean if you're gonna be adamant in going down that path that guide that God guides you to sources that are in alignment with his will. Because is there is something there. I do not like the idea. You know what it is something so interesting and corrupt it.
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Top Lobster
It's like it's the difference between praying and meditating. You know, like they seem similar and in today's society they're never really Explained to you, but praying. You're talking. There's a discussion going on. It's aimed. Meditating. You're empty.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
My transcendental meditation is empty. Yeah, exactly. But God tells us to meditate. But, but we're not empty. We're supposed to meditate on his word or he tells, you know, meditate. In other words, just clear your mind of everything except this. Focus on these words. You know, the, the Shema, you know, you know, hero, Israel, the Lord our God is one. They're supposed to meditate on that. Why so suddenly becomes ingrained in them?
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Top Lobster
David meditated, right. For. And, And. But that scripture says that as he was meditating, he's meditating to focus on the law of God, to like, absorb it. And then it kind of. I think it says, like, it becomes him. Like he becomes so. But he's. He has his eye, his mind on something. It's not empty and open like an empty vessel for whatever.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
And that's kind of take away all the distractions and just focus and meditate on. On this important thing. That's.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah, but you got to be very careful doing these things. Yeah, there's a distinction.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, but. But it's also that idea of like, my people shall perish for lack of knowledge. Like we. These things. I, I just can't get over the idea that there is an spiritual opposition and they have a. A stronghold on all of these ancient arts and, and things that are, you know, that were put here by God and that, you know, followers of Christ are too trepidatious to. To even look at them. And, and, you know, by that token, it's like, well, then they're just free to corrupt it, and they're free to use this, this thing to, to twist the minds of man while we just kind of go, well, I don't really know much about it. It seems a little bit spooky to me. I'm like, right. And I'm kind of in. You know, I'm like that too, to a degree.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Well, a perfect example is the whole Nephilim thing. I grew up thinking that, you know, that, that in Genesis chapter six, they were just bad people, you know, because it became orthodox that, you know, when the sons of God had intercourse with the daughters of men. And the, The. The. The Nephilim, they were just. They were just bad human beings. Why? Because. Why. Because if you think that they are actually supernatural, then. And it says they were the mighty men of all the men of renowned dominion, Hercules and all the other demigods and so, well, you get into the occult, like. No, it actually says this. These people were the demigods and they were worshiped. So yeah, I believe that Hercules and Achilles and all these other. They were real, but they were never. I'm not going to worship them. But you don't like throw off the baby with the bath water. You don't say that just because, you know these people have corrupted this history. Don't not study history. Not don't neglect the history. Just study it for what it is.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, that's how I read the Book of Enoch.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah, exactly.
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Top Lobster
And they like put it, put it down. It's not part of the Bible. But look at it.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
See what.
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Vicki Joy Anderson
I think it's important because, you know, it was quoted in the Bible. You know, Jude quotes from it directly and Peter refers to it directly. It was very popular book during the first century. And honestly, you won't know without the Book of Enoch. You won't know what a demon is. You wouldn't know that if you don't read Enoch. So it's an important history book, but is it canon? No, but it's an important book. Right. So let's just keep going with. With Daniel. So basically where we are. So we had 69 weeks, 483 years. Messiah comes, Messiah's executed. But then there's a gap of at least 40 years. And I think we can easily say it's been 2,000 years. And the people of the prince who shall come destroy Jerusalem. So that means the people of the Antichrist destroyed Jerusalem. So that mean. Could that mean that the Antichrist is a Roman or Italian or maybe. Or it could also mean Gentile. So it doesn't necessarily mean that the Antichrist is a Roman and Italian or anything like that. I think it could also mean.