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189: The Meadow Project w/ Wesley Roth | Nephilim Death Squad
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Wesley Roth joins Nephilim Death Squad to talk about his work on “The Meadow Project” — a supernatural documentary uncovering high strangeness, mysterious cubes, time distortions, and eerie encounters in what’s called the “Skinwalker Ranch of the...
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Top Lobster
Top Lobster Productions.
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David Lee Corbo
We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we're told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely enormous.
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Top Lobster
Oh yeah, dude, this some Nephilim.
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Wesley
It's like we all know what's going down but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave Take control us now when no one's talking about how they made us f be slaves and everybody's just walking around heading.
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David Lee Corbo
The clouds I want to wake up.
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Wesley
To a dead in the grave finally too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of days. Everybody is slaves. Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in their hands. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. As always. Oh wait, this isn't Timeline Cleanse. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation.
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Top Lobster
We didn't even start the show and it's ruined already.
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Wesley
Ruined. Can we start it over? Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder for all of the live viewers. Sometime around the 30 minute mark we're going to be going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash nephilimdeathsquad. You can continue watching this live episode, engaging in the live chat and also gaining access to our backlog of content. And you could do it all for free if you sign up for the seven day free trial and then hopefully you forget to cancel your membership and we get to bill you and collect your money. Anyway guys, getting into today's guest we have are joined by Wes. You want to bring him up? Geez. There we go. Wesley, for the audience who may not be familiar with you, let them know a little bit about what you do and what your here to talk about today.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, thanks for having me guys. I am a filmmaker. Used to be a filmmaker. I used to make the show Cast Castle over at Tim Cast and then I think everybody here knows about the diaspora, the, the exodus when we were exiled into Babylon. And so now I linked up with Tony Merkel and who is a friend of mine from before. He did a couple of episodes of Cast Castle with me actually and then with our director, his name's Ward. He has a company called Dark Hauler. If you've Guys, everybody in the chat. If you've never watched Dark Holler the series on YouTube. Awesome. Awesome. So super excited to get to work with him. And we've got a film coming out this weekend.
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Wesley
Yes. And that's a lot of what we're here to talk about is this film that you guys have coming out this weekend. But, I mean, it's an interesting sort of segue career wise. Right. You go from doing hard political commentary or at least being.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, I was the producer on one of the producers on Inverted World. Like, I was the. I was the producer when you guys did the show the first time.
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Wesley
Yeah. Shane Cashman has a great way of bridging that gap between what Tim does over at Tim Cast and then what, I guess this kind of spooky realm. It's actually why we. We, you know, among many things, are the reasons that we love Shane Cashman. But we had him be a part of Bohemian Grove because he's got that kind of spooky bent to him. And honestly, the. The conversations that we had with when you talk to Shane Cashman and you find out, like, what his childhood was like living on that military base and the men dressed up as bears.
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Top Lobster
Very strange.
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Wesley
Very strange. So. But I mean, I guess in that way then it's not such a giant segue for you. But you're still surrounded by so much of that political commentary where I feel like certainly what. What Tony presents to the audience is void of that entirely. So now you're emerged in, or immersed rather, in the spooky. How has that been that transition for you, going solely to spooky stuff?
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David Lee Corbo
Well, honestly, like, I don't not that hard because even before I worked for Tim, I. This was like, I spent all of COVID just researching Atlantis. Like, that's all, like, just reading everything. Like, I read Ignatius Donnelly and all these, like, heretic writers, Edgar Casey. Like, I was super into that. I read Madame Blavatsky and Alice Bailey and all that. Like, it just went super down. Like, dude, I remember one time when they first opened up Waffle House, I was sitting there and. And I, like, had red in my eyes telling my friend about the Lucis Trust. That was like, so far down the rabbit hole. But even before that, like, I had. In like 2012, I went down the Illuminati thing. You remember when, like, people are discovering, like, oh, like, I went down that rabbit hole too, and had to, like, pull myself out of it because I was seeing it everywhere and successfully, like, retook the blue pill to. To an extent where I was like, okay, I need to be able to live in the world and not feel constantly afraid.
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Wesley
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
And so I guess I've always had that bent, which is weird because I'm also. I have extreme normalcy bias. Like, I am always. I'm super skeptical about everything and. And lean towards, like, people are good, people are normal. Not so much anymore. But. Yeah, but I wanted to get out of it. Like, to be honest, even at. At Timcast, I didn't. I was probably less politically active than I've ever been in my life when I worked there, because I was around it so much, where I was like, I don't care. I do not care. All I care about is Bigfoot in the nephilim. That's all I care about.
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Wesley
I feel hard to engage with those ideas when you have. I mean, not only because it's hard to take it serious, but this other field of study, which I'm comfortable calling it a field. Previously, it would have been pseudoscience and ridiculed, but I think the strangeness of life has dragged us into a place where the conversation is much more serious regarding what was previously dubbed pseudoscience. But it's so much more fascinating. It's so much more interesting, and I don't know, for better or for worse, it's so much more entertaining than trying to engage in the political conversation.
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David Lee Corbo
Right. And it's. And beyond that, like, it feels more consequential. You know what I mean? Like, it. Like it. That feels more real, dude. Because a lot of people are like, yeah, that's kind of fantasy stuff. And it's like, it's way more real than politics. Yeah.
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Wesley
Makes politics feel like. Like if. If this is, you know, more real than. It almost makes it feel like politics is theater. But I don't know, man. It's been a. It's been an interesting thing to watch.
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David Lee Corbo
Your.
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Wesley
Your. Your development, your relationship with Tony. And I feel like it's. It's a lot better of a place for you. You guys just wrapped up this documentary that we're here to talk about today that releases. When is it coming out and what's the name of it?
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David Lee Corbo
It's called the Metal project. It releases July 27th at 8pm on Moment co. Moment Co. And it's. I. So I was not there to film this one. I. I will be filming them all going forward. I film. We film. We've already filmed another documentary, I think. I don't think I'm breaking any news there. I think Tony's mentioned that several times. I'm. I'm bad at not spoiling things.
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Top Lobster
So again, do you want, can we just play the, the trailer and check it out?
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David Lee Corbo
No. Yes.
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Top Lobster
Because I, yeah, I, I, I'm guilty of, like, hearing about Tony's documentaries and then not watching them. I just, I guess I do a lot of, I watch all of his shows, but not the documentaries.
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Wesley
I actually have, I've watched the documentaries. You know, it's, you know why? Because even though it's kind of inside, this isn't an insulting thing at all. But it's like, it's almost been there, done that in the sense of, like being in the woods and looking for these cryptids, but the old formula has been so beat to death. You know what I mean? When you watch, like, and it's nothing against these guys, but like Bigfoot Hunters, let's say, for example, it's the same thing every episode and they, they haven't had a fresh take on it. I don't know if the series is still running, but you can guess at what you're going to get. You're going to get knocking on trees, you're gonna get whooping, and you're gonna be like, did somebody just throw a stone? Or something like that. And so it's not the content's fault. It's the way that the content is, is packaged and then presented to the, to the listener or the, the watcher. Because this stuff is incredibly fascinating. I mean, there's, there's something there. It's just for whatever reason, these shows have fallen into their old habits. So Tony comes along and he makes something about something that's been around for a while, but it's done through a fresh lens. And so I do enjoy what he's been doing lately.
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Top Lobster
It's it for me, it's purely just like, overload. Like, there's so much good content, and I'm like, how much can I actually watch of Tony Merkel? Like, literally probably almost five minute. What does he do, two hours each episode? About so, like four hours a week. That's a lot like when you're pumping. But let's check this out and we'll see, let's see what this is about and we'll get into it.
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David Lee Corbo
Cool.
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Top Lobster
Here we go. Let's, let's check it out.
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David Lee Corbo
This place is very special, extremely special. It ranks very high on the list of extreme high strangeness. Extreme high strangeness.
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Wesley
There was all kinds of different phenomena.
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David Lee Corbo
That his team had documented at the meadow.
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Wesley
I mean, stuff was popping off at the freaking camp. We knew of all the stories that we had heard them tell over multiple Podcasts for. For the last few years.
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David Lee Corbo
I'm not sure what I just saw about this.
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Wesley
Turned into a ball of.
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Top Lobster
Something grabbed my legs and was pulling me out of bed.
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David Lee Corbo
The only way I could describe it.
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Wesley
Was like, go home, shadow people everywhere. The anticipation part started ramping up.
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Top Lobster
We are big fans of putting ourselves in environments to see how it unfolds around us.
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David Lee Corbo
What was that?
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Wesley
Okay, I got that on camera. Saw something, like, real strange. I was starting to let myself believe.
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David Lee Corbo
We were getting too close to the truth. Let's freaking go. Welcome to the meadow.
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Wesley
That's weird. It's definitely a teaser. And before I go anywhere, I want to ask what, what inspired the cube on the, the thumbnail for the meadow project? The cube obviously is something that comes up constantly and Saturn worship, you know, the Tesla racked, right? This idea of a, of a, of a fourth dimensional object. I mean, there's a lot of real significance to the symbolism of the cube. Why choose that for the thumbnail?
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David Lee Corbo
Well, I can share this because this is. Tony's talked about this several times while the group. So Trey Hudson is the founder of asog, the Anomalous Studies and Observation Group. Okay. They are the team. They've been investigating this place since 2012 or 13. Somewhere in there. And one, at one point, I think it was 2017, they were doing a nighttime investigation in the meadow. And on thermal, Kristen saw a cube on thermal. Could not see it with her eyes, but it was a cube about 25ft tall and wide. And so they had three other members there with thermals and put the thermals on and they all saw this cube. And then there's another team that consisted of Trey and two others that were on this ridge behind it. So this, this meadow is sort of a valley. There's two ridges on either sides on either side. And they were up there and they saw it on their thermal as well.
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Wesley
The same one in the same location.
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David Lee Corbo
The same location, yeah. Now the, now I'll say we've got one thermal in the film of this cube. The other thermals were passive, not active. So they were like visual aids, not recorders. So they were using them to like see in the dark because this was like 2 or 3am and so they called this unit to come down to check it out and go to the spot. And we've got that footage where they're walking up, they're talking them into the spot, and as they approach the cube, they're saying, hey, slow down. And at one point it dissipates and disappears and Then as they're starting to walk away, they're like, guys, guys, guys. It's coming back. And, like, you can see it's. And it's very ethereal. Like, it's. It's almost like if you had a glass cube and filled it with smoke, like, that's sort of what it looks like. And like. And like I said, I have extreme normalcy bias. So I look at this and say, there's an explanation for this, right? And so I'm looking at the footage that they have from the next day, because I'm like, this is brush or leaves or something. Well, this was February. And so the footage from the next day where they recreated the walking path, there's nothing. There's no brush. There's no, like, anything that would resemble this shape. And then I had to say, okay, well, I, like, while I don't know what I'm looking at, at one point, it does disappear. Right? So as they approach the cube, they walk into the area where it is and their thermal.
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Wesley
This cube, just for clarification purposes, Wes, this is ground level. This isn't something ground level, tree line or anything like that. This is ground.
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David Lee Corbo
No. Yep. And it's sitting. And like on the. According to the testimony from Kristen, when it was at its most illuminate, it's because it's heat, right? So it's. When it's. It's hottest, the ground under it was glowing hot. Like there's like something had just been sitting on it, like, warm. You know, kind of like if an animal's laying down and gets up, that's what the grass looked like. And so they walk into the spot where this thing's sitting.
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Top Lobster
I'm sorry, was this. Is this thing actually on the ground or is it floating?
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David Lee Corbo
It? Her. Her description of it is that it was, like, inches above the ground. So like. Like six inches above the ground, but it's 25ft wide and 25ft tall.
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Wesley
Oh, it's crazy.
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David Lee Corbo
Significant or insignificant amount of space. And so they walk into this space and their thermal images just disappear.
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Top Lobster
So as they're inside of the cube, or what they should be inside of, they no longer exist to the outside.
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Wesley
World on thermal imaging.
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Top Lobster
Okay, what is the meadow? Let's start there.
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Wesley
What.
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Top Lobster
What is this place?
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David Lee Corbo
It is. So it is a place. They call it the Skinwalker Ranch of the South. And it is a location within a forest that has. The reason that they checked out in the first place is because there's a lot of Native American legends about it. And this being Called the Crow Mocker. And there was also some, like, Sasquatch legends that came from there. So the guy at the end who says, welcome to the meadow, he's a Sasquatch researcher. And he. Almost all of them are either paramedics or law enforcement or special operation. Former Special operations. Trey. The guy who founded it is former dia, I believe.
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Wesley
Can I just. I'd like to just offer some clarification for the audience. So I typed in Crow Mocker and it autocorrected to Raven Mocker, which I find to be insulting. And it says the Raven Mockers are figures in Cherokee mythology described as witches or evil spirits that prolong their lives by preying on the sick and dying.
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David Lee Corbo
And we're going to get to that.
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Top Lobster
So where. Where exactly? You're not allowed to disclose the location of this. Somewhere in the South.
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David Lee Corbo
Somewhere in the south.
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Wesley
Would you tell us?
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Top Lobster
Not even the state.
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David Lee Corbo
I cannot tell you off camera.
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Top Lobster
You can't even say the state?
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David Lee Corbo
I can't even say the state.
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Top Lobster
Wow. Very interesting. Okay.
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David Lee Corbo
I have an NDA on that.
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Top Lobster
Okay, please continue. Please continue. I don't want to get. Get you in trouble. I was just.
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David Lee Corbo
No, no, I had. Everybody's curious, but. But it's to preserve because it is not. The location is. Is accessible. That's why. So it's. It's hard to get to. But it. But you could get to it.
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Top Lobster
And privately owned. It is not interesting.
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Wesley
Yes, that is interesting.
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Top Lobster
So now I see. I. I don't want to keep prying, but now we're like leading to this assumption was like, is this part of a state park? We're talking about the Daniel Boone national. But that's like more central.
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Wesley
But I don't say anything west too much.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, just cover your face.
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David Lee Corbo
It's just in the south. Yeah, it's just somewhere in the south. And there's a lot of Southern states. There's, you know, Texas and Florida.
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Top Lobster
Another question.
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Wesley
In the South.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, but that's. That's south. But if we're Talking about the 33rd parallel now I got. I got some more questions because that would run across like, just north of Florida. You're talking Georgia.
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Wesley
And then that kind of give away too much. I. I'm just saying, speculating. You're real. 33rd.
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Top Lobster
33Rd parallel stuff. Is it close or is this that.
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David Lee Corbo
I don't know. I don't know. Because I don't know. I don't know the exact location.
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Top Lobster
Right, right.
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David Lee Corbo
I just. I. All I know is the state.
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Top Lobster
Gotcha. Gotcha.
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Wesley
Is It a. Is it a. Is it. Never mind, never mind. I was gonna say, is it a conceal and carry state? You surely want to be packaged. Don't answer that.
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David Lee Corbo
However, so to end the cube story. And that was the first time they have seen the cube. I believe they've seen it two more times. So I think three appearances of the cube. Yeah. No, not in the same spot. And they. So they went into the cube. Right. And then the cube disappears around them and they reappear in the spot where they're standing. Now, how they describe it, and this is in the film as well, is that when they went into the cube, it felt very easy to get into. However, when the cube disappeared, they were surrounded by brambles and they had to like stomp them down to get out. And so they were like, these were not here when we went in. And then additionally, two of the three people who entered the cube have now passed away.
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Top Lobster
Okay, okay. So, yeah, the brambles that you're talking about, they were around the perimeter of the cube and then they had.
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David Lee Corbo
They were. They were standing in them. So where they were standing, standing in the brambles and they were like. And briars. And they were like these. We did not. If they said it was flat like grass when they walked in.
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Wesley
And then this is at nightfall. Right. So, I mean, this is a nice. Or else they wouldn't be using thermal vision. So they didn't perceive any difficulty getting in the proximity and then crossing over into what would have been. I guess we could describe it as a veil of some sort. But when this cube does disappear and their images reappear on thermal imaging suddenly, then they're obstructed by bramble and bush.
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David Lee Corbo
Yes.
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Top Lobster
So it's almost like inside of this cube is. I mean, this seems like the. The perimeters of the cube seem like a portal and inside of it are somewhere else. And then when it disappears, you're back into normal reality. Very interesting. Now, when they've seen. When they saw the cube three different times, I think I just asked this, but I'm. They are in different. Locate the cube is in a different spot. Yeah, same size, same cube.
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David Lee Corbo
I don't know about the size on the other times. I just know that they've mentioned seeing it other times and I don't have. Like, I'm as familiar with this as I am the footage that I have. Right. I was not on location. And to be clear on what this film is, this film is sort of an observation of the work that they've already done. So there Is a book. Trey has a book called the Meadow Project. And this is less about what Tony and them and the gang went to do. The. They were there to get the stories from them in location. And. And not. It not feel sterile. Right. So.
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Wesley
Right.
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David Lee Corbo
There were investigations taking place, but it's more. This film is more about adapting this. The stories from this book and putting the information out there.
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Wesley
Happen to know. Wes, if there was like, on this property near these sightings of this cube, running water or anything like that, like creek, maybe.
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David Lee Corbo
Yes, we'll talk about that.
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Top Lobster
$113. Come on. Come on. Trey. What are we doing here?
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David Lee Corbo
It might be out of print.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, Yeah, I think it's.
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Wesley
So.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
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Wesley
So you heard that Top west says that there. Or at least seemed to have hinted that there was a body of running water nearby.
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Top Lobster
Okay, that makes sense. So we're figuring out what's charging this cube. Some sort of body of, I assume, fresh water.
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David Lee Corbo
Okay. Yep.
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Top Lobster
Please continue. We're narrowing it down as you go.
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David Lee Corbo
And there is a. An element. I don't want to, like, give away all of the, like, things that happen. Obviously. Obviously most of them are in the book. But there is an incident that does occur that involves the water itself. I mean, I guess I could say it's. It caused like, a mass confusion in one of the investigators. When he crossed the water, he forgot where he was and he felt like he was in another place. So he crosses the Stream and he's 100% sure. And we've got the footage of that as well, where he's like, I don't know where I am. And they come get him and he's like, super excited about. He thought he found a second part of the meadow. And they're like, Trey, you're literally. Where we jump. Like, he literally crossed the stream and crosses back in the footage. And he didn't realize he did that. And then he took the rest of the day off, I guess, and was like, I. And he said when they told him that it was the same place, he said it felt like everything shifted back. And he was like, hold on. Like, he's like, I. I gotta take the day off.
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Top Lobster
Like, this is crazy, because I'm pretty sure I know where this is.
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Wesley
Stop it down for the audience is very smart. Did you know that they're retarded?
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Top Lobster
Don't worry about them, though. But I. I know I could. I can figure out the state that they're in. And at the very least. And if they are close, this does run along somewhere near the 33rd parallel also shows up in a certain story that I've been kind of obsessed with other horse eyes. Very interesting stuff. Please continue, Wes. I'm. I'm picking away at this scab here. Go ahead, man. Where are we going next with this story? Because I'm.
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Wesley
Yeah, so. So they have this incident with the cube. You said that two of them died. Yes, afterwards.
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David Lee Corbo
And, and of what one, I believe passed, one was cancer. And we touch on that lightly in the film. And, and the film's dedicated to both of their memories. And so there's a investigator named Bob Wilson, passed cancer shortly after that. And then there's another investigator named Tim who also passed away. I'm not 100 sure what, but I know it was not expected, but it does seem like all of them, everybody that is there investigating is having some sort of long term chronic health issue to varying degrees. And, and they now approach this place differently where the team's much larger than the amount of people who are there in the film. But they don't. They cover it in teams over time. So, like in, in segments of the team. Right. So these people are out here for this long, and then they take time off and then the next crew comes in and they stagger the amount of time they spend there.
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Wesley
Okay. In order to minimize the amount of exposure, let's say.
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David Lee Corbo
I think it is that. And one of the things that Trey said was that they want to give the environment time to breathe as well and not wear it out.
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Wesley
That's interesting. Well, I think the reason, you know, I'm just gonna come out and say it for the audience who's probably putting this piece together as well, is oftentimes in extreme supernatural circumstances where there is a lack of tangible evidence or, or any sort of meaningful, you know, material left behind. What is left behind is traces of, of, you know, radioactivity, let's say.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, that's part of it as well. And this is going to get interesting.
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Wesley
So, so obviously then the correlation that could be drawn and, you know, outside of any real evidence, it's just speculation. But given that, that one of the investigators unfortunately passes from, from cancer, you can start to draw that line of speculation. Was there some sort of radioactive, you know, reason for, for cancer?
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Top Lobster
And then, yes, it's, it asks the, the further question of, like, well, what exactly is radioactivity? Because it's like a, like extreme concentration of energy in a, in a small area is what radioactivity seems like. And they've had a.
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David Lee Corbo
It's like you'd say it's chaotic ionization. Right. Like. Right. It's destructive. Destructive energy. Right. Like it's, it's the way that the particles in the, in these atoms interact with the atoms around them. That's why it essentially what radio, like dangerous radioactivity. What it does is it tears your cells apart. It tears. It's like, like a, like a, a wood chipper in the air. You know, it's very. Yeah. And, and like to speak to that. This. We don't really focus too much on it in the film, so I don't feel like it's spoiling anything. One of the things that happens when these events happen, because they're doing all sorts of readings. They're. They're measuring electromagnet, electromagnetic field. They're. They have time displacement monitor to see if time runs differently in between two locations, which does happen there. Where. Like what. Why did the, the time meters. Now they're one second off from each other. Like that's strange. And that's a lot of time. Like that's a lot of time.
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Wesley
Designed to be synchronized and run in tandem so that you can keep time that way. Yeah, that's.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And they like they're connected by a cable. Like they're, it's a long distance cable that are connecting these two things. So they shouldn't, they should be running off the same thing that's running time. Right.
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Wesley
But it's like no distortion.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Time displacement meter, I believe is what it's called. And then they're also doing. They've got. I don't think they're Geiger counters, but they have something that reads the radiation levels. And this is what I found, like when I was going through the footage, because when we first, when I first received the project, I was like, okay, I'm just going to watch all of this and try to get an idea of what happened, first of all. And when he said, yeah, when these things happen, the radiation level jumps from the baseline up to. And he said it's always up to 0.33 microceivers. And I was like, well, that's interesting.
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Wesley
Whoa. Illuminati confirmed. Yeah, 3 micros. And I wonder what. You know, I'm sure that's not something that would really blow your hair back, but I wonder what that would be comparable to being in the presence of.
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Top Lobster
What does.
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Wesley
I mean, it's a baseline. That's enough.
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Top Lobster
Does Tony pick up on that? Because I was actually having a conversation with him and came up. What was the episode number that he had with the guy that you love, you just absolutely love him. You just believe everything he says. Nathan Reynolds.
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David Lee Corbo
Oh, Nathan Reynolds.
- [29:06]
Top Lobster
I think it was episode 770.
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David Lee Corbo
Did I. Did I taste a hint of sarcasm?
- [29:11]
Top Lobster
No, I believe. I, Like, I think Nathan Reynolds is legit. But David's just said he's not sure. He's not so sure. But I, I. Yeah, I brought up. I was like, oh, you know, episode 770, kind of interesting. You know, like, this is, like, the 70.
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Wesley
And it was on the day one of the seventh month of. You know, it's just, like, gay and numerological. But Tony.
- [29:33]
Top Lobster
But Tony was just like, I don't care. And I was like, oh, all right. So I guess you don't care about.
- [29:37]
Wesley
But you know what, though? Based. Yeah, he goes, I don't care.
- [29:41]
Top Lobster
That.
- [29:41]
David Lee Corbo
Wait, what did he.
- [29:43]
Wesley
Dude, no.
- [29:43]
David Lee Corbo
So hold on. What. What didn't he care about?
- [29:45]
Wesley
The fact that it was this 770th episode released on the first day of the seventh month. Right.
- [29:51]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, gotcha. Yeah.
- [29:52]
Wesley
You know, it's just like some little numerology.
- [29:54]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Yeah.
- [29:56]
Wesley
And Tony Merkel could give less. Couldn't give less of a shade. And. And I. I appreciate that. About.
- [30:01]
Top Lobster
Did he care about the 33rd? And. And also, did you hear from any of the people that were there, like, actual tangible. Like, did they feel anything? Tangibly? Because sometimes when you're in these places, you can, you know, get it.
- [30:12]
Wesley
Yeah.
- [30:13]
David Lee Corbo
So. So they did. Did say it felt strange, and it felt like staticky, like static electricity kind of like it was hard to put into words. And. And, you know, I asked these questions in, like, those interview segments with Tony, Joel and Ward. Like, we. I was there to shoot those. And so we talked a lot about it, and we even. This isn't in the film, but we shot, like, a round table of having them discuss things. But I ultimately, like, made the decision. I was like, this doesn't. This isn't adding to it. And so we. We just cut that segment. But there was a lot of, like. And we. We kind of made a decision to not speculate as to what it is or why it is. We. And part of it was because we just didn't feel that we had enough information. So, like. And that could have been something we did. Yeah.
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Wesley
We do. We speculate endlessly with. With next to zero information.
- [31:21]
David Lee Corbo
Well, the thing is. The thing about it is, is that there is no. You can't really, like, end this. Right. Like, there is no. If a fallen angel came out and was like, I am Such and such. And I. This is my. Yeah, like, I would have been like, okay, cool, we got it. We signed this release Metatron. Like, and. But we. That didn't happen. Right? So, like, this is more about like what happened to this team. And, and like, I would say one of the things I'm trying to bring to these is because they've got several films before I came on and one. One of the things I want to bring on is like taking the story that the film's about, but then having some sort of like, takeaway that has nothing to do with it. Like, specifically, like, like, how. What about this? Can you apply to your own research? What about this?
- [32:16]
Wesley
Can you take away about dangers of radiation poisoning?
- [32:19]
David Lee Corbo
No, just like, like in this one, it was about what kind of person does this kind of work long term. Take like, you should not be going out into situations like this if you're not wrapped in the armor of the Lord. And if you're somebody who's like. So like the guy who does our visual effects, his name's Kent. He also worked for Tim, did Tim's music videos with us. He's.
- [32:40]
Wesley
He.
- [32:41]
David Lee Corbo
His job before, like 10 years ago or 15 years ago, is he was one of the editors and filmers for Ghost Adventures and the. Zach Baggins.
- [32:52]
Wesley
Yeah, yeah.
- [32:53]
David Lee Corbo
And. And he. So he has some experience in this type of space, but that space is obviously much different.
- [33:03]
Wesley
Yes.
- [33:04]
David Lee Corbo
And, but the point is that those shows like, that were like getting people to go. That's why we have so many ghost hunting channels, right? It's because people out there and they're like, yo, ghost.
- [33:16]
Wesley
Have you ever seen the way they do it in like Japan. Japan. And in, in any of the Muslim countries, they will. They like go in swearing and screaming and they, you know, they're very aggressive. They like boot doors open and shout a bunch of, you know, insults at it. And I go, that's a very interesting method. I don't know that I would be immersed in what I was convinced was real, supernatural, spiritual phenomenon and not eventually come to the conclusion that I should probably align myself with what is the, the, the more positive aspect of the supernatural phenomenon, which would be, you know, aligning yourself with Jesus Christ. It seems that these people never draw that correlation or I don't know if they can't. If they don't draw that correlation or they, they won't. Because if you're Zach Baggins, and I'm only speculating here, but you have all this apparatus built up and you, you know, he's the Guy that kind of dresses in like Ed Hardy jeans while he's ghost hunting. Correct.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [34:12]
Wesley
Yeah. So something about Ed Hardy jeans and ghost hunting just doesn't seem like it vibes with the Lord. So I think it's bad. Bad for his brand or he perceives it to be bad for his brand and in that way does not, I guess, arm himself correctly. And it's a real dangerous place to be. That's an interesting takeaway. Align. Where are you in your spiritual journey? If you're in the woods on a regular basis searching for ethereal cubes, are you aligned with the Lord or are you not? It might be better if you are.
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Top Lobster
So that's the question that you're asking?
- [34:47]
David Lee Corbo
Yes, well, that. No, I would say that's not even the question I'm asking. It's more of a warning. Yeah, it's a, it's a, A teachable moment of like, hey. And, and one of my observations, personal observations is this stuff seems to happen to people who are empty more often. And so like, do you mean the.
- [35:15]
Wesley
The, the interacting with the phenomenon or, or having a bad outcome interaction?
- [35:24]
David Lee Corbo
Because my, my whole philosophy on it is because, like, I've. This isn't the. I didn't go to this place, but I have been the idiot with a, a handicam in the middle of the haunted place. Like actually the first, the very first Ghost Adventures was filmed in my hometown at a. Yeah, the movie, the one that came out like 2003 or four, was filmed at Central State Mental Asylum. And I used to go there all the time. Is. It's not, it's gone now. They tore it down, but I used to go all the time. And like, like we split up and stuff and, and like I knew people that were like, this really crazy thing happened to me and I was always like, it's crazy. Nothing ever happens to me. Nothing. And it's not that I have no paranormal like experiences. In fact, I just had one working on the film the other night. It was two in one night actually. It was very strange. And this stuff does not happen to me. Like, I'm not like, I'll get there and. But I. My working theory is that if you are rolling like with a gang filled with the Holy Spirit, that those things don't want that smoke.
- [36:42]
Wesley
Like, there's nothing to do there. There's no vessel to occupy. And best case scenario, you get casted out in the name of the Lord.
- [36:50]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And like, it's very hard to deceive because those people are aware of the idea of testing the spirits and, and because they're not there to like, sure, they'll like torture and scare people. They, what they really want to do is seduce and make you think that they are truth. Yeah.
- [37:06]
Wesley
Or, or if they can do it on a minor level and convince you that they are you. Yes, that's a good place to start as well.
- [37:13]
David Lee Corbo
Yes. And yeah, that's a big one. And. But they, I don't think they can get away with that. And in many cases they can. There's a lot of people who are, you know, like in scripture, like we cast out demons in your name, flee from me. I never knew you. And it's like there, there is something to be said for that. But people who really are imbued with the Holy Spirit and have a relationship with Christ, like I don't think, I'm not saying nothing will ever happen to those people. I'm not saying that at all. But I think the chances of them being enticed to. There's just no there there. You know, like for them. It's like you don't, if you're a salesman, you don't walk into a neighborhood where you've already sold everybody on whatever your product is you.
- [37:58]
Wesley
Right, that's a great analogy. That's a great.
- [38:00]
David Lee Corbo
Or where. Or where they're, you know, bound up in a contract with somebody else. Like I used to be a door to door salesman for Trugreen and I would not go into the neighborhood that Scott's Lawn Care had the contract with. The whole neighborhood. I'd be like, there's no reason, like I can't do anything.
- [38:14]
Wesley
Yeah. I want to ask you a question about the nature and how it changes if you're in alignment with the Holy Spirit versus if you are ghost hunting. Is there still any value in going to these places, let's say, under the context of gaining ground in spiritual warfare? Because there's one aspect of going there for the entertainment value and there's another aspect of going there and, and even on the entertainment value also informing people who are, who are viewers and who are listeners. But what about this idea of engaging in spiritual warfare to, to win ground? Is that applicable in, in, you know, in your experience or in your estimation? But before we go there, we're at the 40 minute mark. So everybody who's watching on X, on rumble and on YouTube, we're cutting the stream now and we're going live exclusively to patreon.com backslash Nephilim Death Squad. So if you don't Have a membership over there, consider signing up for the seven day free trial. And that way you can at least get the rest of this conversation and hang out in the live chat. Otherwise, we will see you guys later. Goodbye. So. So Wes, you know, there, there's a driving force to going out to these locations. You said yourself that you used to go to, what was it like the asylum. And, and I was a big fan of that. When I was younger in New Jersey, we had weird. New Jersey was a magazine series, a book series that would tell you all the strange locations around New Jersey. And we would go places. We'd go to, you know, the Devil's Tree and we'd go to all these different. There was one that I wanted to go to called the Gates of Hell, which was in Clifton, New Jersey. And you had to kind of navigate. I never went there because of this. But you had to navigate a sewer system. And depending upon when you went there, if it was the rainy season, you'd be in some trouble, right. The water would. Would well up on you and. And you probably allegedly even had to go through a bit of a submerged area to get to this spooky door and yada, yada, yada. But there is this allure there. And so at what point do you think that is unhealthy, but then is there a healthy version of it? Like I mentioned before, going to these places to win ground in the name of the Lord via spiritual warfare, does that apply at all to what's happening?
- [40:39]
David Lee Corbo
I think there is a reason. I think you are much more at risk of something you're not aware of. Like if you don't get a diagnosis with an illness, you're much more likely to pass from it. And I think that this is also. Can manifest itself as an illness. Right. Like, to go back to what I was saying about, like, I don't want people to think that I was saying that if you're wrapped in the armor of the Lord when you go into these places, you're totally safe. I don't think that's true. I think from Tony's own testimony, that's not true. That these things, they may not give you what you're there to look for, but they may follow you and affect you in, in other ways. Put a cloud over your head. I think we, like you guys are familiar with the story of when Tony went to witness to that gentleman that he worked with and then he felt like he gave him whatever was with him for a year.
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Wesley
The. The huggy guy.
- [41:44]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, the huggy Guy, the huggy, he.
- [41:46]
Wesley
Just wanted a hug. I don't know.
- [41:47]
David Lee Corbo
He just wanted three hugs.
- [41:48]
Wesley
I don't have a problem with three hugs.
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Top Lobster
You know, he.
- [41:52]
David Lee Corbo
Actually, I think that's a risk.
- [41:54]
Top Lobster
He told me. He told me that story because I had called him to ask him about something similar to that, and it was interesting. They seemed like there was like a transfer with that hug, like a transfer of a weird sexual energy, which is something he doesn't mention on his show because it's like more, you know, it's family friendly. But the guy, like, kept pressing his. That area on him and I'm like, that's really interesting. Super interesting. Like why that would. Why you do do it that way. Like.
- [42:26]
Wesley
Yeah. Not to get too into the love portal. Well, I mean, your love portal. But I mean, there is a reason why people like Crowley and, And his, I don't know, followers are so into sex magic, ritualistic sex magic. Right. There is a. An energy exchange, a unique one that comes from anything of the sexual variety. It's. It's also why they target children in that way. So. Yeah, that's unsurprising.
- [42:53]
David Lee Corbo
I mean, I maintain that to us it's sex. To them it's something else. You know, to the, to the other realm, it is an alchemical process, and it's just a means of transference because that's.
- [43:05]
Wesley
That's what there is.
- [43:06]
David Lee Corbo
It's transferring life energy.
- [43:08]
Wesley
Yes, there's a. But when you, when you. When it's. When it happens between two people that are in love, a husband and a wife, that love aspect is something totally, number one, incredibly powerful. But two, it can be the. The. The purest form. I mean, I don't want to call it magic, but I mean, I guess in some ways it is. And if it, if it is this incredibly powerful energy that's pure, and then the byproduct of it, the fruits of it are, you know, a child. Well, yeah, that's like the tip of the spear in regards to what we can perform here. So to invert that and then do things like try to bring in the moon child and things like that into this realm, that all. That all tracks. So, yeah, I mean, it's. It's. It's probably the most powerful form of magic that we're capable of executing. Executing as. As mortal beings here.
- [43:59]
David Lee Corbo
Yes. It's. Imagine, you know, you're. We're all made in the image of God. Right. But then each of you, each of us is imbued with 50 of the ability to create Another being made in the image of God. Like, that's pretty, pretty crazy. It's crazy that we take it for granted.
- [44:15]
Wesley
You know, it's wild that we've lost that. When you put it that way, I mean, it's massive.
- [44:19]
David Lee Corbo
But yeah, and that really, really, like, if you color it that way, which I think one should, it really makes, you know, like, abortion seem like that's.
- [44:28]
Wesley
Exactly where my was going is like.
- [44:30]
David Lee Corbo
You'Re really messed up.
- [44:32]
Wesley
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, and then you look at what our society has done and the way that we've normalized it, encouraged it, called it a right, called it liberation, when it is. I mean, it's a liberation.
- [44:42]
David Lee Corbo
But shout your abortion, man.
- [44:44]
Wesley
Yep.
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Top Lobster
Yeah, there's an interesting conversation going around on Twitter right now between. It was Andrew Tate and the other guy from Fresh and Fit, and they're talking about the idea of monogamy. Like, you know, you got to have multiple partners, you have to have multiple wives. Women are just vessels to be filled with your cum. And I'm just like, this dude is such a. I enjoy, yeah, I enjoy him. I think he's funny. But I'm like, this is so dangerous to like just the male American, the young American male. It's like this ideology that you're talking about. Like, yeah, sure, you're right. Like, your never ending satiation for sexual desire is real.
- [45:29]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [45:30]
Top Lobster
But you're just going to like fill that with anyone that's willing. It's. It's a crazy concept. And they're like, you're gay. You should have more. Have more sex with random woman. I'm like, okay, okay, dude, I don't.
- [45:41]
Wesley
Think that's the, it's the mirror image of the feminist movement. Right? Free sex and, and all of that. No accountability and yada, yada, yada. Like, it's the exact thing. It's just feminism for men. Which is when you put it that more people should be putting it that way. Do as men. Do we really want meninism? Do we want feminism for men? So. Okay, all right. But. But getting back to this, this discussion, I did want to ask something and then, you know, if, if we can figure out where the hell we were on the tracks. Just for clarification purposes, when we earlier mentioned that, that two people passed away, one of them from cancer, the other one untimely. These were two individuals that were seen sort of blipping off the radar in the infrared.
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David Lee Corbo
Yep. The same thermal.
- [46:32]
Wesley
Yeah, the thermal. The thermal. Okay. I just wanted to. Because I wasn't sure if that was just investigators that were on site or if that was literally two of the individuals that would have disappeared off thermal temporarily and then reappeared.
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David Lee Corbo
Yep. Man. Yes. And they're the two that. Unless I'm mistaken, because this is. I'm. When you're looking at thermal, a human being is just a white spot. So. But they kind of went, you know, like you've got three of them and they kind of went like that. So one went deeper in or one went more like not as far in as the other two. And they, like, there's a daytime recreation where they show where they walked and where they stood so that you could see that they're still there. And it's. I think that kind of lends to it. So, like, the two that went deeper in are the two that, you know.
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Wesley
What do you think, Wes? I mean, are you yourself interested in. In going to these places?
- [47:33]
David Lee Corbo
Not really.
- [47:34]
Wesley
Not really.
- [47:36]
David Lee Corbo
I mean, I went to. I went to. We've got another film coming like that.
- [47:39]
Wesley
I haven't started again, but.
- [47:41]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, well, I went. And the one that we. We shot a film in June and we went to this location and I. I don't know what Tony has said about it, so I'm not going to say what the film is or where it took place, but it is a story you guys have all heard of for sure. It's a legend that we would like to look into a famous one. And I. What I'll say about is I expected it to be a lot worse than it was. Like, just the environment. And while there were definitely elements of like creep factor, I expected to be like. There were definitely things that happened that I was like, I'm. I don't like this because we slept in it. We slept in tents for six days straight. And I. I didn't attend for six.
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Top Lobster
I'll.
- [48:38]
Wesley
I'll camp for two days. We'll have a two day. I'll, you know, I mean, like, I'll show up on day one, sleep in a tent on day, you know, that night, and then I'll leave the next day.
- [48:46]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, well, I didn't. Like, I enjoyed the camping and camaraderie and brotherhood aspect of it, but it was June, so, like at night it was very cold. And so I slept in my clothes and my coat. But then I would wake up and it would be 80 degrees and I would be like, get me out of here. And my tent was like. My tent was like dark, dark brown. So it's like pulling in all the heat. Like, this is Awful. And also, I'm the biggest person there. And.
- [49:18]
Wesley
Are you a giant, too?
- [49:19]
David Lee Corbo
I'm six, four and a half.
- [49:21]
Top Lobster
Ish.
- [49:23]
Wesley
What is going on? Why do we. Why do we just.
- [49:25]
Top Lobster
You have a face of a baby.
- [49:26]
David Lee Corbo
I know, right?
- [49:27]
Wesley
Yeah.
- [49:28]
David Lee Corbo
Well, I'm a string bean, though. Like, I look like. I look like a normal person that somebody grabbed the middle of and stretched.
- [49:33]
Wesley
It just seems like all we do is talk to tall people.
- [49:37]
David Lee Corbo
But. But I had the smallest tent. Like, I was sleeping. It was one of those square tents, and I was sleeping corner to corner. Yeah, but. But no, like, I didn't. I expected the area we were in to feel a lot more oppressive than it did. And. And I think part of it was because the people we talked to, we talked to a lot of people that investigate there all the time, and they were like, I would literally not, like, do not sleep here. Like, they're like, don't do this. All of them warned us. And even before we went, we're like, yeah. Everybody we've talked to is saying, like, do not do this. Most. There have been a lot of people who tried to stay there, and then nobody stayed on the property overnight that we went to, ever. And we were like, well, here we go. And. Yeah, like, we. Yeah, it just. I think it was. What I was saying before is, like, that little campground was like, a patronus charm. And it was like, we aren't going over there, and. And, like, that's not to say that nothing weird happened, but all the things that weird that were happening around us were happening way over there. Like, way over there. And it was like it was trying to get. I'll say that it was like it was trying to get one person to go out there alone.
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Wesley
Interesting. Interesting. That's. That's actually, you know, a technique that you see in these movies.
- [51:06]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [51:06]
Wesley
I mean, it's like somebody goes out into the woods, they're camping, and then this thing will drag them away or lure them out individually.
- [51:12]
David Lee Corbo
It's very Wendigo stuff, right?
- [51:14]
Wesley
Yes.
- [51:15]
David Lee Corbo
Yes.
- [51:15]
Wesley
So the reason that I was asking is because we had an offer to go out to some place, and I don't know. I mean, It's. It's the 22nd today. I mean, I guess, you know, in the realm of possibilities, it could still happen, but it's. It's. It's out in. In Utah, and it's one of the many properties that are sort of Skinwalker Ranch adjacent.
- [51:37]
David Lee Corbo
Is this space wolf?
- [51:39]
Wesley
No, it's not space wolf. It's a moon lake. Moon lake.
- [51:42]
David Lee Corbo
Okay.
- [51:42]
Wesley
And. And so. But I did have. So, you know, when you. When you look into it, it's done by. I forget what the name of the person is, but it was like a treasure aspect. Like, treasure hunting is part of this whole thing. And then, of course, the Terry Jones. Terry Jones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So. So there's all this obvious, you know, high strangeness as well. And I did have this, like, you know, I had a dream. I don't know, I had this weird dream where I found myself in a place that I was invited to. And there was, like. It was a. You know, there was Other people were also invited to this place. I don't know. And it was kind of like a mansion. Not really a mansion. It was just. Anywho, when I was there, I suddenly had discovered that I step into the wrong place.
- [52:26]
Top Lobster
You're telling a dream story right now.
- [52:27]
Wesley
I'm telling a dream story.
- [52:29]
Top Lobster
Sorry, go ahead.
- [52:32]
Wesley
Yeah, so. So. So I had. I had realized that I was in the wrong place. And in the dream, I managed. I managed to pull up some details that I had overlooked on my phone. And the details had something to do with, like, Grays and. And, you know, their involvement. And so I immediately. First thing, I. I realized I had my gun on me. And I was really pumped about that. And then the second thing in the dream, I started praying the blood of Jesus over me and the people that I had come with. And it felt like almost this. Not a hostage situation, but like, it was late. We were supposed to be winding down for bed, and all of a sudden, now the next thing was, we got to get the hell out of here. And so I'm like, you know, some dreams are just dreams, right?
- [53:17]
Top Lobster
You just.
- [53:18]
Wesley
Sometimes you just have dreams about silly stuff. And maybe this thing was on my mind, but I'm kind of going back and forth between that. Like, is there a benefit to me going out to Moon Lake and having some potential experience there? Everybody knows about the hitchhiker effect or anything, and I'm no stranger to odd occurrences and entities and things like that, but I don't know. I mean, what would at this point, given where you are in your career. I mean, you're making documentaries about these things. Is this something that you would move towards? I'm sure you guys get a lot of offers. I'm sure Tony gets a lot of offers to come out and see this bizarre location. Doesn't seem like he's. He's shying away from it. I don't know. Do you guys weigh that anymore? Or is this just. We are in alignment with the Holy Spirit and therefore we can go and do these things?
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David Lee Corbo
That's a great question because so the. This past one, the one I was just talking about, if the way the it was pitched to me to go out there, first of all, it was not supposed to go out there. And then they ended up needing me. And then. And also Aaron, you guys know Aaron, my business partner, he also went. And this is not his realm. Like, he, he's. He's an interesting cat. You guys should talk to him. He's Russian Orthodox, very unique person. And he was like, this is not my world. He was like, I like working on these projects, but he's not into the woo and stuff. He's just. He's a very well guy. And when I told him what the pitch. So the pitch was, we're going to go to a place and confront a demon. And I was like, no, thanks, not interested, not interested. And I toiled with it for weeks because originally when I was supposed to go, we were going to go a month earlier. And so I had one week to think about it. And I had already agreed to do it, but I was really struggling with it. Then it got moved back a month and I started to think, oh, maybe I won't have to go after all. And that would be awesome. Even though it's one of those things where it's like, if you excise the demon part, I'm in. I'm 100 in. I'm in on camping. I'm in on hanging out with my friends. I'm making a film. I'm 100 in footage.
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Wesley
Right? Yeah. Telling a story. Yeah, yeah, it's all fun stuff.
- [55:57]
David Lee Corbo
And then it was like, yeah, we're gonna go specifically do this. I was like to cast out the demon, not confront.
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Wesley
I will say confront it. Yes, confront it. All right.
- [56:11]
David Lee Corbo
Because I can't.
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Top Lobster
I mean, so it's just in its house and you're gonna go confront it. Seems kind of like a douchebag move in its house.
- [56:18]
David Lee Corbo
It's. It's not a house.
- [56:20]
Wesley
Oh, all right.
- [56:23]
Top Lobster
Write that down. Write that down.
- [56:25]
David Lee Corbo
It's not a house. But yeah, you'll once. Once. I don't know if Tony's put it out there. If I get the okay to put it out there, I'll put out there. But. But you'll hear it from him, obviously. But is. And this thing covers a lot. Like this next film. I haven't even started it editing wise yet, but it cover. We cover a lot of Ground. We. We saw, like, the. The guy who owns the place that we were at has a lot of evidence. Let's just say that. A lot. Like, I think we looked at 1200 photographs.
- [56:59]
Wesley
1200 photographs?
- [57:00]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [57:01]
Wesley
Of. Of. Of orbs or of. Of. What are we talking about here?
- [57:05]
David Lee Corbo
Not orbs. You'll. And nobody's. These have not been made public. I do not believe so. Stuff. You won't. You'll. Like. Really? Like, there's a lot of, like, really, really? Because, like, we filmed an entire, like, interview with him, and he had a screen was showing them, and we were like, this is too much. This is too much.
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Wesley
Without giving away too much, do we have any sort of bipedal. Anything that looks like a figure that people would be familiar with at the very least, you know? Okay. All right.
- [57:42]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Yeah. There's some weird stuff.
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Top Lobster
How about a name?
- [57:47]
David Lee Corbo
Of what? I can't say the name of the thing because that'll give the.
- [57:51]
Top Lobster
No. Of the entity.
- [57:52]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, I can't give the name.
- [57:54]
Top Lobster
Oh, the name is of the place. That's interesting.
- [57:56]
David Lee Corbo
That. Yes. The name. The. The location is the name of the. The. It's gonna be the name of the documentary. It's gonna be.
- [58:03]
Wesley
It's awful. You're giving away too much.
- [58:05]
Top Lobster
I don't want to get you fired.
- [58:07]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, no. Vapore. Sorry. I saw a comment.
- [58:12]
Wesley
Don't read the chat. These people are terrible. All right?
- [58:14]
David Lee Corbo
Some of them are hilarious, man. But no, it's. It's. Yeah, I. I'm. There's a lot of these places that I definitely want to go to. There's a lot of them. I don't. But it's funny you say, like, when you said, like, how do you feel about this? Even before this, The. Like, I'm gonna tell you about a dream, but while I worked for Tim. So while I worked for Tim, I lived with Aaron, actually, like, and another co worker. We had, like, a townhouse, and we lived on an Air Force training ground.
- [58:58]
Wesley
Mm.
- [58:59]
David Lee Corbo
And so twice. Two times. Two times I saw the black triangle.
- [59:05]
Top Lobster
Ah.
- [59:07]
David Lee Corbo
One time I was driving, and I was at the Jefferson County Fairgrounds in West Virginia. And. And it's a long stretch of middle of nowhere, Right. And then in my rear view mirror was three white lights, and I just pulled over to the side of the road, and when I went to look, it went around to the front of my car. It went. And I had already seen it once, but I didn't realize that it was. It. I thought it was a. A power line with a light with Lights on it.
- [59:41]
Top Lobster
Yeah.
- [59:42]
David Lee Corbo
And it was just sitting there because that's how high it was. It wasn't that high. It was really low. And then when I saw it in my mirror, I thought it was a C17 because that's what the training facilities for is. They fly C17s and those things are really big. They're. They're transport planes. Right. And. Well, I guess every plane is a transport plane, but they're like large equipment transport planes. Like they carry planes inside of them.
- [60:07]
Top Lobster
Yeah.
- [60:07]
David Lee Corbo
And. And they, they. They take off, like literally a football field away from my apartment. So when they take off, it like rattles the whole, you know, house. And so when they're close, you know, they're close. You're. They're not sneaking up on you. Like, a C17 can't sneak up on you. This thing was dead silent. Dead silent. And it moved. It was probably 40ft above the ground and it just moved from one side of my car to the other. I immediately called Tony and I immediately called Shane. Like, I was like, guys, it's here. And. And like, I've never thought that those were alien. I've never thought the black triangles are alien. I've always thought that they were like clandestine. Military engineered. Yes. And that just given my location, that's what I thought. But after this, after seeing the black triangle the two times, and it was in really close proximity, one was in like February and the next one was in like April, I started having really bad night terrors. And I've never had those before in my life. I've never had sleep paralysis. I've never had anything like that.
- [61:18]
Top Lobster
And after seeing this thing.
- [61:20]
David Lee Corbo
Yes. And so the one, the. The ones that I remember, and it was not like, you know, once a month. It was like every night I was having a night terror and it was in my room. And the two that I always had, one was I was always being wrapped up by a snake. Like I was being coiled, like constricted by a snake. And then I would wake up with no breath. And like, I attributed that to you because I have sleep apnea, like, pretty bad. I got a CPAP machine, all of that. And I attribute it to me not being able to breathe and it's constricting me. And so I was like, that's a weird way to manifest that. Then it evolved into the snake would have me and then I would. It would disappear and I would look out my window. So I had like my bed and my window is right to the like, foot, the right side foot of My bed. And I would look out there and there'd be three grays in the window looking at me. And every time they would start to put their hand through the glass like it wasn't there. And I would wake up screaming the Lord's name, like every time. And I would actually say, because I lived with my fiance at the time. And she would, you know, eat it, like, because I would sleep during the day sometimes and she would run down the stairs and be like, well, you were screaming the name of Jesus. Like, interesting. And she was like, so I thought I'd come check on you. And even at night she would like wake me up from screaming that and be like, it's okay, it's okay. And I would scream, snake. I would scream that. And then one time I did have a dream that I was inter in brain, like mind speak with a Sasquatch and.
- [63:08]
Wesley
Really?
- [63:08]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [63:09]
Wesley
And is this around the same time frame?
- [63:11]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. All this happened in the same exact time frame, like within one month. Like every night for a month. Yeah. And then we moved.
- [63:21]
Wesley
Wait, wait, wait. I don't know. What are you talking to the Sasquatch about?
- [63:26]
David Lee Corbo
I don't remember. I don't remember that she. But she said I was in my. This is the funny part, because to her, this is funny to me. It's terrifying. Is that she said I woke her up going. I was like, that's. That's weird. That's weird. I was, yeah. And. And like jibber jabbing, like.
- [63:52]
Top Lobster
Yeah, you're all up, Wesley. I like this.
- [63:56]
David Lee Corbo
But like, I don't like until like later, you know, like, I was like, this is just really weird dreams I'm having. And then I. But when I left that. That house and we moved to a completely different area, it all stopped.
- [64:13]
Top Lobster
When Tim moved his compound or something. You move as well.
- [64:16]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [64:17]
Top Lobster
Okay. So the. It started off when you saw this triangular aircraft. Like you. You would say it's a one person aircraft that kind of floated by you.
- [64:29]
David Lee Corbo
It was the size of a bus. Like, like three buses in a triangle.
- [64:34]
Wesley
Did this strike you as like military craft or something? Oh, yeah. Outside of. Okay.
- [64:38]
David Lee Corbo
So. Yeah, yeah. And I lived 100 yards from the military aircraft training facility. Like I. Like they had a breakfast cafe there that I went and ate at the weekends. You could watch the planes.
- [64:49]
Wesley
A common. Right. Black triangle. Military craft. I forget what it is, but it's now been.
- [64:57]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, the TR3B.
- [64:59]
Wesley
Well, there's the B2 spirit and then there's something else. B2 spirit has sort of a jagged Back end to it, but there's another one. I forget what it is.
- [65:11]
David Lee Corbo
TR3B, right?
- [65:12]
Wesley
Oh, yeah. TR3A black Manta. I'm sure TR3B is. Is a very similar version.
- [65:18]
David Lee Corbo
Do you remember? So this is what made it stand out to me when I saw it and why I contacted Tony.
- [65:23]
Top Lobster
This is a banger. This is because. Shirt caution. UAP pilot in training. I got another question before you go on though. Where do you put this? Where do you put that kind of phenomenon? Because now you're pretty sure it's coming from a military base which is human, but you're having supernatural experiences because of it. You think it's the technology that.
- [65:45]
David Lee Corbo
I don't know. I don't know. Like, I don't know what to attribute it to. But the irony of it that it was there is. So you. You top. You've been to the castle, the old.
- [65:59]
Top Lobster
One, the first one.
- [66:00]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, the castle. The how? The mansion.
- [66:01]
Top Lobster
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [66:03]
David Lee Corbo
So did. Do you remember. Did you come in on a really long bridge? There's a really long bridge that leads to it. So like. And that bridge is where. I don't know if you remember. There's an episode of the Confessionals where a guy called in to say him and his dad saw the triangle on a bridge in a certain location. His name. I'm not gonna say his name because people go find the episode and you'll say where it is. And I go, but that's the same location.
- [66:36]
Top Lobster
Oh, do you remember? I didn't realize that we were talking.
- [66:39]
Wesley
To Nathaniel Gillis and. And he is. He describes it as the phenomenon. Right. And that the phenomenon takes all these different sort of visages. And so there's clearly a shape shifting aspect. We talked to Jules of the Gray Pilled podcast and we talked quite a bit about tulpas, or thought forms, which in some ways are kind of sounds reductive in that it reduces the experience to something that's generated by your own mind. I don't think that's the case at all. In fact, it sounds much more like the more that you can focus on a thing, the more you can flesh that idea out, the more that you can then create a sort of dummy for these things to inhabit. Which might explain sort of like the Slender man phenomenon. Right. Where it enters Internet lore in a big way. Creepypastas. It becomes so popularized that all of the focus on it gives a temporary vessel, let's say, for something to manifest in. I'm wondering if we have. And this is totally schizo Speculation integrated our technology so intimately with the supernatural realm because it seems that a lot of our technology is, is inspired, you know, by supernatural entities, you know, the muses and things like that. The example I like to give is Carlos Santana channeling Metatron, which he gives up that juice in a, In a Time magazine interview. I believe so. So we have a long history of people channeling entities to create things, whether it's art or even technology or things of that nature. So what if the. The integration between certain levels of military technology and the supernatural realm have. Has become so seamless that focusing on that technology and thinking about it is looking into the phenomenon, and the phenomenon then begins to look back at you. Because a lot of that, like staring into the abyss until the abyss stares back at you. It is hyper fixation on the supernatural commonly can lead to the supernatural manifesting in some way, shape or form, poltergeist activity, you name it, sleep paralysis, yada, yada, yada. And it almost doesn't seem to make sense because what you're looking at is interpreted as a nuts and bolts aircraft. But what if the way that, that nuts and bolts aircraft came to be in this physical realm was first by some sort of supernatural influence and that the. There's not really a separation there between what you saw. And I'm sure after you saw that, that was something that, you know, you were pretty enamored by for. For quite some time. Right. So now you're focusing on the phenomenon, as. As Nathaniel Gillis would put it. And the phenomenon, by the way. What's that?
- [69:31]
David Lee Corbo
I took a video as well. I can send you.
- [69:33]
Wesley
Oh, please.
- [69:35]
David Lee Corbo
It's far away. But it. Once I realized what it was. Got it. I'll send you that. But I agree with you. I. I believe that there's. Yeah. Like if you're back engineering spiritual technology, it's gonna have spiritual implications.
- [69:46]
Wesley
Right, right, right, right. So I think that that's probably what's happening there. And that's why the same thing happens where you, you know, you have this a holes ce5 app and everybody's calling in, you know, these orbs or these, these craft into. And then what do they get after that? They get all kinds of poltergeist activity in their homes. And this overlap between what was just UAPs and now we got a segment.
- [70:10]
David Lee Corbo
In the Meta project just for what you're saying.
- [70:13]
Wesley
Interesting. So. So what do you make of that? Do you think that there's, there's any validity to that?
- [70:19]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And like, I don't Part I know. I agree with you because I don't think on. I try not to think on those dreams anymore because.
- [70:33]
Wesley
Instinctually.
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David Lee Corbo
Yes, because when I. Because I was at the time, like, I was thinking a lot about that. I was thinking a lot about what I saw. I was thinking a lot about what it meant. I was thinking. Thinking a lot about what the dreams made me feel. And it felt like they kept getting worse and worse and worse. And we had. So, like, what I can say is when. When we moved, the dreams stopped, but waking things started happening there. And that's when I kind of took a step back and was like, I'm gonna stop giving energy to this. Because I think that whatever is making this happen to us is because of something I'm doing.
- [71:25]
Wesley
That's interesting. That's.
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David Lee Corbo
And so we had. And like Tony. Tony, old Tony and Shane, if you guys talk to them, we'll verify this. Like, we had talk to them a lot. Like, what do we. What do we do? And there were. There was strange stuff that, like, I was not having the dreams anymore, but where there were strange things happening in our house. And then suddenly they all stopped and it never happened again. And I don't know exactly what changed, but I felt like I stopped giving my attention to things that I thought would do that. So I think you're. It's a. And that's kind of the observation we make in this film, which to bring it back is like these things are trying to establish a conversation. And if you take part in the conversation, it's gonna go places.
- [72:17]
Top Lobster
One of these. One of these images that's flashing over my shoulder. It's called Top Lops's Dogman. And it's a joke that we say where I go and I put my birds away at night and it's a pretty far walk to their. Their coop back there. And when it's dark, I turn around and I walk back. And I have this feeling on my neck that is like something is there. But I never look. I don't stop. I don't turn around, I don't run. I walk back. I shoulders back and I walk back normally. And the idea is Top Lobster's Dogman. It does not exist if you do not lay eyes upon it. If I don't turn around and feed that thing, whatever that is.
- [73:02]
David Lee Corbo
Superposition.
- [73:03]
Top Lobster
Yes, exactly. He exists, but then he doesn't exist. He's always in a state of standing. And I know exactly where he is. He's on the fence. This motherfucker's on the Fence right behind, going into the wild area. And he's like, you know, 8ft tall, and he's just. And he's waiting because if I turn around, he's like, I will disembowel you. But I never turn around because I was like, there's no reason. You don't exist.
- [73:26]
David Lee Corbo
It's sort of like. It's sort of like a mobster where if you don't see the crime, they don't have to kill you.
- [73:30]
Wesley
Exactly.
- [73:31]
David Lee Corbo
Just look away.
- [73:32]
Wesley
When I was younger, I used to have this. My. One of my best friends was like, why do you think of Bigfoot like this? And I was like, well, we were sitting on a. On a corner one day and we were. It was nighttime and we're talking about Bigfoot. We were real little, like maybe 10 or 11. And I said, yeah, imagine Bigfoot. Like, look all the way down the street under the street lamp and imagine seeing the silhouette of a thing that is, you know, 10ft tall, bright red eyes, and it's, you know, breathing heavy and all that. And. And he's like, why do you. Why would you ever think of Bigfoot like that? And I was like, why wouldn't. It's. It's a bipedal, you know, at the. At the least, an animal, a bipedal animal that's. That's 10ft tall. And I said, imagine it, you know, letting out this blood curdling scream or whatever. And I just never was able to get behind the idea of Bigfoot as. As being like a. Anything other than absolutely terrifying. Absolutely. I mean, I'd been around. You never go to the zoo and be around a bison. Have you ever been around a bison? It's like a breathing car, and it's kind of horrifying when you're next to it because it's like something about its. It's life, it's breathing resonates to your core. Yeah. A horse will do the same thing. If you're like, what the is this so even smaller.
- [74:52]
Top Lobster
You're like, I don't like that. You're that much bigger than.
- [74:55]
Wesley
It's really, really, really terrifying. So. All right. There's a lot of places that I want to go with this conversation, but we have to get to what in the hell? Because earlier you alluded to a raven mocker or a crow mocker and how that applies to this entire situation. Know that that's where I want to go next. Wes.
- [75:15]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [75:15]
Wesley
I can't not ask you, given the nature of the conversation. Focus begets a two Way, sort of focus. What are you doing?
- [75:26]
Top Lobster
Well, also, one more. One more thing. What. As you said, in your waking life, things start to happen. I, like, I got to know what things.
- [75:35]
Wesley
What is the waking thing?
- [75:36]
Top Lobster
So what are the teams?
- [75:37]
David Lee Corbo
So we moved into this house in, like, outside Harper's Ferry, and it was my fiance, former fiance, and I, and we started, like, the first night we were there, we started having weird things happen. And, like, at first, we were like, this place is old and, like, falling apart, right? Like, we were like, we. We're, like, trying to figure out, like, is there something? And, like, are there raccoons in. In the crawl space? Are there raccoons in the. Not attic, but it's like where the. In the. In the roof, you know? And we started doing Bible study. And so we were sitting in the living room, and the. The. How the house was set up was sort of like, the living room was one side of the house, and then there were two bedrooms on the other side of the house, split down the middle, right? And we're in the living room, and the door was open to our bedroom, and my dog Charlie was in there laying in the bed, just being a dog. And we were reading Genesis. We were starting with Genesis. And at one point, I paused and asked her a question. I was like, what do you think about this passage? And we both heard my voice come out of the bedroom.
- [77:04]
Wesley
Oh, damn it, dude.
- [77:10]
David Lee Corbo
Well, that's the thing, is we both heard it. We looked at each other, and.
- [77:13]
Wesley
No, I mean, it upset the dog that you have with you right now. I can hear you started whining as soon as you said that.
- [77:18]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, yeah. He's in a crate, so he might have to come out for a minute and sit on my lap, if that's okay.
- [77:24]
Wesley
Whatever you. Whatever you got to do, man.
- [77:26]
David Lee Corbo
But. But yeah, so we went in there, and Charlie, my older dog, was sitting there looking up at the bed, and we were like, all right, looking up.
- [77:36]
Wesley
At the bed or looking up at the ceiling?
- [77:38]
David Lee Corbo
At the bed? Like, does the voice say, I have no idea. I have no idea. It was. It was like. It was talking to her, right? It was like I was talking to her. It was like I was saying, like, do you want to go out? I've got to grab him. One second.
- [77:49]
Wesley
Yeah, go ahead, Go ahead, go ahead. You know why? That's when I was living in this other house we moved to when I was, like, 15 years old, and I had an American bulldog, which is, like, big bulldog with abs and such. And he. One night, I Was just mentioning my dog.
- [78:11]
David Lee Corbo
This is Heiser.
- [78:12]
Top Lobster
Hey, Michael.
- [78:14]
Wesley
That's right. I saw the pictures. You let her in. You let. The fat cow cat keeps screaming to come in. So, so he's my dog is. Is sat in the, in the hallway outside of my room. And he just keeps like staring at the, the. The drop down for the ladder that leads up into the attic. And he'll sit there and he'll stare at it. And then all of a sudden he'll get up and his hackles will raise and he'll start like growling and barking at it. And then he'll sit down and get real docile again. And then he would just do that. Rinse and repeat. And I'm laying on my bed and I'm aware that this is happening and it's upsetting me. And above my bed, directly above my face, is a vent to my attic. And I'm just staring at that thing wondering, like, what in the hell? And in that house, after I moved out, my, My mother would tell me that she would hear the feet of like something tiny but bipedal running through. Sounded like a lot of them running through the house, jiggling door handles, opening doors. One case in particular, my mother is in the room and my, my stepdad is in the bathroom. He's brushing his teeth. And they hear. And then something jiggles the handle and opens the door. And the response that they had was it's like, like there was an intruder. So my mom shot up in the bed and looked over to the door and my stepdad came running out with toothpaste on his mouth. And. And they're both looking like for an intruder because it wasn't a. Did you hear that moment? It was somebody's in the house and they just opened the door moment. And the dogs, by this time, the American bulldog had passed. So there's just. She has Frenchies, French bulldogs, and. And they're all stood up on the bed too, you know, in this mode where they're getting ready to bark and they're growling at whatever, just open this door and there's nothing there. And I always felt really unsettled in that house. We had an Elmo, a Tickle Me Elmo in that house that my mom.
- [80:13]
David Lee Corbo
Big mistake.
- [80:14]
Wesley
Huge mistake, dude. Huge mistake. So she would get the dogs all kinds of like stupid toys that, you know, and Tickle Me Elmo. By the time we had gotten ready to trash him, he had the. This, you know, the fur ripped off his face. So it's just Tickle Me Elmo's animatronic skeleton is exposed. And. And. And for whatever reason, no matter what you did, if you took the batteries out of them. I threw him down the stairs into the basement. I took the batteries out because I'm trying to watch a movie. And he. And he's. His voice is all distorted because the dog screwed him up. And he's going, that tickles. And he just. But the batteries aren't even in him. And until the point where we had in the backyard. So weird house. Weird house. But yet animals have a way of. Of. Of knowing and. Sounds like you're. You had a little doppelganger situation going on there, Wes.
- [81:10]
David Lee Corbo
It was strange. And. And there are a couple, like, other things that happened. And then it just started to Peter off and. Yeah. And then I. I guess I took my attention off of it and it just stopped happening. It just. I don't know. There was a lot more scripture reading now, so maybe that had something to do with it. But. But, yeah. No, I don't. I don't know.
- [81:36]
Wesley
I don't know what to make of that, because I agree, like, it's hard.
- [81:40]
David Lee Corbo
To, like, think of it in a. Like, and explain it, because it. These things happen to you while your life's happening, right? Like, they happen, and. And you come home from work and it's like this. I hear me in there, you know, like, and what do you do with that? And, like, I haven't really reflected on it for that reason, you know? Like, I've talked about it a couple times. I talked about it on. On Inverted World when I was on There and Back, like, last year, and I don't know, maybe go find that if you're watching this and want to know more. Because I was a lot closer to it at the time. It was, like, happening concurrently when I was on there. But, yeah, I just stopped paying attention to it. And I. I. Like I said, I don't have a history of these things happening. I don't have a, like, ghost story for every year of my life or anything. But it's weird times in my life where this stuff that I can't explain seems to happen. Like, I alluded to earlier, like, something happened last week when I was working on the film, and, like, I put out a work cut of it and just minutes were missing from it. I was like, that's weird. That doesn't make sense. And then I started thinking about it. I was like, okay. That same night was a night that I did have the dogs staring at the ceiling. Like, you were saying. And they. But they, like, looked and both in tandem went, ah, that's not good.
- [83:08]
Wesley
Well, I mean, at the very least, you got raccoons, dog.
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David Lee Corbo
Well, well, maybe, but not possible where that happened. And then later the same night, I was sitting. It's okay, buddy. Sorry. I was sitting here and right in. Right here, right here, I had a grocery bag that had some. Just odds and ends in it, and it was sitting. And like, have you ever put a bowl inside of a paper bag and it goes like that, you know, like you're gonna go to a cookout or something, and you put, like, your pitch in inside the paper bag, and it. You're like, nope, this doesn't fit in this bag. Yeah, well, I'm sitting there and this had, like. It didn't have a bowl in it. It didn't have. It had, like, some papers in it, like a couple of papers. Because I had taken most everything out. So I had, like. There was a receipt in the bottom and there was, like a letter that was unfolded in there. Some stuff I was gonna throw out, right? And it's sitting there mostly empty. And out of my peripheral, I'm sitting in my chair over there. The thing goes and spreads open like that. And Heiser is sitting on the bed and he looks at it and perks up. And I just, out of the corner of my eye, look at it. And I didn't want to turn my head, but I looked out and as soon as I looked at it, it held for like a second and a half and then went, that's strange. And I was like, that's weird. And then it was later that night that my. Something happened to my unit, my. My computer, like, the editing bay. I was like, this doesn't make sense. Like, what happened in the film is impossible. Is impossible. So as moments of the film were missing that I couldn't have. I couldn't have gotten rid of them. Because I'm sure you guys are familiar with Premiere. Like, when you lock and nest a section and you have the nests within another sequence, you cannot edit them without opening and unlocking that sequence. But it was just moments of those sequences were just gone. I had to re edit them and add them back in.
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Top Lobster
Anything significant in those sequences?
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David Lee Corbo
Kind of.
- [85:19]
Top Lobster
Not.
- [85:19]
David Lee Corbo
Not some. Not. Not what you would think. But they were. They were key moments, but they weren't like, evidence or something like that. They were just key moments of the narrative. And they were parts that were laborious. So they were. There were parts that had lots of effect work because we have a lot of visual effects in this and those moments were like chopped down.
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Wesley
What's interesting about that is, is it doesn't have to be like a key moment in the sense of like some big reveal that might, you know, gain you insight. A lot of you, you only need to look at like the skinwalker ranch story and whatever poltergeist activity that they were experiencing there. And poltergeist activity is kind of like a general term just for, you know, seemingly mysterious events happening that are unexplainable, is they were having just inconveniences take place. Like some of their equipment ended up in a tree, like, and it was like for it to get all the way up in the tree. And it's like it didn't even make any sense. Oftentimes people refer to these things as like trickster spirits and like that. And people who are much more like New Age woo woo. Or into like DMT will talk about like the, the, the elves, the machine elves and how they have like this jester nature. There does seem to be. Honestly, I was actually. Somebody said something and I was like, oh my God. I, I can't ignore that. Which is like, I am a bit of a troll on, on Twitter and. But even that word, like the spirit of what you're doing, like trolling. Right. What one Norwegian belief system calls a troll is through another lens, some sort of a demonic spirit.
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David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And I'm like an elemental. Yeah.
- [87:12]
Wesley
Damn it, dude. I don't like that.
- [87:16]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Or trickster or any of those. It's all joker. All that. Like.
- [87:19]
Wesley
Exactly.
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David Lee Corbo
But at the same time, like, I feel like being afraid of those terms gives them power too.
- [87:26]
Wesley
No, I mean, it's not that I'm afraid of it, but I'm like, oh, that's interesting because I'm even. I'll even call myself a troll. And it's like, when you're doing that, what are you, what are you actually saying? So that sort of inexplainable inconvenience is, is something that is par for the course. That's. That's on brand. You see it in a lot of things, especially like the poltergeist activity. Like, you know, the poltergeist activity, for example. What, what evil is it that opens up your drawers and cabinets? Is it like this big? You know, has it stood in the way? Is it, Is it. It'll leave you sitting there scratching your head as to the, the mystery of it all. Why has this happened? Why go out of your way to open up all my cabinets. All you've done here is. Is confused me and made, you know, inconvenience my life slightly. Not something that can't be overcome, but it feels like what you experienced was the digital version of opening up all your cabinets.
- [88:25]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Which is funny because, like, the idea is, like, they're opening the doors in your house to confuse you. So they open the doors in your soul, like, Right. Put you at a state of mind.
- [88:36]
Wesley
Or are they just, like, this is gonna. This is really gonna.
- [88:40]
David Lee Corbo
Well, I want you to be unsettled, because an unsettled person is an open vessel, like.
- [88:44]
Wesley
Yeah.
- [88:45]
David Lee Corbo
And. And, you know, like, they want to make you question yourself. They want to make you. Not sure. They want to make you, you know, you weaken the prey before you take it down.
- [89:01]
Wesley
It's something that I have to think about, and I know we're not going to get any answers here, but it. But, you know, just on this topic of, like, looking into things and. And what does it mean that it starts to look back and interact back. Is this your cue to stop? Or, you know, if you look at the ripple effect of looking into these things, for example, how many people do these documentaries reach? How many people do these episodes reach? And how many people does that then turn over to Christ? Because that's what we do constantly, is we'll go look at this really strange thing. Here's our take on it, and here's. Ultimately, what's important is developing a relationship with God and, you know, repenting and. And. And, you know, Jesus Christ is the way. The narrow path. And so are you meant to. And this is just me musing, but it's like, are you meant to. To stop looking at these things? Are you. And I'm not saying look into them to the point where now you're some sort of, like, numerologist or some crap, and you're applying this in your everyday life, trying to rig the system and, you know, bend it to your will. That's kind of clearly not what I'm saying, but it's like you look into the phenomenon, as Nathaniel Gillis puts it, and then. And the phenomenon looks back, takes a form of whatever, tulpa or something like that. It has its old tricks. It has some. Some tricks that are adapted to you. And is that what it wants, is for you to stop looking at it?
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Top Lobster
Yeah, the. The idea of fear not.
- [90:38]
Wesley
Right.
- [90:38]
Top Lobster
We talk about that a lot. But then when I see what Merkel does with these documentaries, I instantly think, not me, not gonna do that.
- [90:49]
Wesley
Because it's Gonna catch me in the woods.
- [90:50]
Top Lobster
It just feels like. Like at what. At what point is provocation and at what point is faith? You know what I'm saying? And then also. But if you're called to do it and it's been loud and clear in your head to do this thing, then I understand that. Which is something that, like, you know, me and David were talking about a couple weeks ago. It's like, all right, are you cold? Are you called to do this? Because it seems like a. A dangerous thing. If my assumptions are correct about some of the consequences that I've received for even being next to this person. Should we. You know what I mean?
- [91:24]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [91:24]
Top Lobster
Should you then go and tempt this? These are questions that. That I can't answer. I don't think. I don't think anyone could really answer. It's. It's a personal thing.
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Wesley
I know. That's what it gets, though. I know that's. You want to talk about the fruit that a thing bears when the phenomenon starts looking back at you. I know generally speaking, you know, most people go, I got. I just want to, like. Like, you know, when I had my whole experience and I didn't tell my wife and I. Because I didn't want to talk about it, because I didn't think that, I distinctly felt like talking about it and engaging in anything surrounding it was going to make it worse. Right. Similar to the instinct that you had, Wes? I felt just instinctively the same way. And is that instinct, or does this thing want you to feel that way? Where it wants to scare you out of. And then. Yeah, to tops point. Right. Fear not. The Bible tells you constantly to not fear, to not give in to fear, to not be afraid. So something happens to you, and the more you think about it, the worse the phenomenon gets, until you start to draw the correlation where you're, like, not going to look into that anymore, not going to think about that, not going to talk about it, which I can certainly understand because I did not want to talk about it with my wife or any. Anybody for that matter. And is that what it wanted? I don't know. I mean.
- [92:46]
David Lee Corbo
Well, it's. It's interesting because the question you're asking is the same question that's asked about the political stuff and the. The. Or the. The deep state stuff. Like. And the answer is the same. The answer. Because when, say, like, what are we supposed to do about this stuff? What do we say? Like, these things are happening. What are we supposed to do? Are we not supposed to fight it? Are we not the answer is the same. You preach the name of Christ and you, you fight the things that you can fight and you don't try to engage on a higher level than you're called to do. And, and they, they are using the same tactics. Like the thing about the powers that be, the deep state, the, the cabal, whatever, they don't have the control they pretend to have. They. The real alchemy going on is them convincing you that they do, that they are the power, that Satan is sitting in a throne somewhere being like, haha, everything's going according to plan. It's like your plan is meaningless in the, in the eyes of God. Like it's his plan. You don't even realize that you're the one being played here. And with all of your like, ancient wisdom, you're being the most wise of the, of the. You, you're nothing. You're nothing. And don't be afraid of it. Don't be afraid of it. It doesn't like, not being afraid does not include not being cautious. It doesn't mean don't be reckless. It just means don't be afraid. They are not in control. And these things are not that, that attack you are not in control of you. They're, they're affecting you. But we already know the answer. We know who, where, where relief comes from. We know where help comes from. We know where our strength comes from. And it doesn't come from us. It's not anything we do. It's reliance on something higher. And that's the same for both of these realms. And like, I mean, honestly, like your show exists because they are connected. These worlds are connected. The thing, the paranormal things that happen to people in their homes, those things are connected to the, they're interacting with the CEOs and the corporate people and the politicians. It's the same things. You know, Like, I, I don't think half of these things are who they claim to be. You know, there are guys out there like, discern, not discernment, deliverance people that are like, I spoke to this entity and it's like, I'm sure you did.
- [95:10]
Wesley
It's.
- [95:11]
David Lee Corbo
Any, you know, Jack or Jill out there will be like, all right, I'm gonna go pretend to be Osiris real quick.
- [95:20]
Wesley
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Top Lobster
That's the thing. I think doing this show, we've realized that they're never going to really tell you their name. That's something extremely significant because if you know their name, then you can control them. It's like a, I mean, that's solemn Solomonistic magic or something like that, right?
- [95:38]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. There's power in the name, and that's why there's power in the name, like in the name of Jesus Christ. It's like. And like, obviously you guys have covered before that. Like, there's people out there that have had these incidents and that hasn't worked for them. And I think there is some sort of like, alchemical reason of why a human being who's got a knife, who's going to stab you, and you're like, please, no, the name of Jesus. They're like, I'm gonna cut you anyway, you know?
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Wesley
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [96:04]
David Lee Corbo
I think that that works, that that trans. By transitive property applies to things that are imbuing somebody. So if you're dealing with a person who is oppressed or possessed and wants to do something to you, they're like, those rules don't apply right now. Like, those rules, I. I'm touching something physical, you know, like you could be playing a video game and, like, want to punch somebody. They're like, sorry, I've got God mode on. Every time you punch me, it doesn't hurt me. But then you can get in your car, drive to their house, open to the door and punch them in the face. God didn't do anything for him. So there's some sort of allowance. They're following some rule that they could get around the. That bypass, but they can't come into you, you know, if you're imbued, if you're an occupied vessel, they can't. Two spirits aren't. Those two opposing spirits can't exist inside.
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Wesley
You in the same. Yeah, yeah. Let me. Let me ask you this, Wes. We talked about it earlier on the. On the top of the show and. And you said that it was going to come up at some point. This idea of the crow mocker or the. The raven mocker, how does that apply to this story of the meadow? And what. What even is it?
- [97:19]
David Lee Corbo
So I don't know a lot about it. I assume it's. It's a. One of the many names of, you know, shape shifters, brujas, things like that. I didn't personally research the crow mocker. I just know that Trey has and he discusses it briefly in the film. It's okay, bud. Sorry. But I. I don't want to get too deep into it because of how the things unfold in the film and they're interesting and we do draw some connections to things within the film that I think he's got to go if.
- [97:57]
Wesley
You want to take a quick break and, and you know, you can come back on camera if you want to let him outside. Okay.
- [98:02]
David Lee Corbo
That would be great.
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Wesley
Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. No problem, dude. We'll keep it going. We'll wait for you to come back. I could actually read a little bit about this raven mocker here. So we said before that it's a. It's a Cherokee spirit. It's said to prey on the sick or dying, to extend its own lifespan. At night, it is believed to fly through the air in fiery form. That sounds a lot like a kind of like a phoenix. Outstretched arms resembling wings and sparks trailing behind it. That's pretty specific. Fiery form with sparks trailing behind it and outstretched arms that are. That resemble wings. Things I, I don't like to, to often say, like spiritual things that ancients have seen or just their inability to describe technology that was beyond their understanding.
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Top Lobster
That sounds a lot like that, though.
- [98:55]
Wesley
That does kind of sound a lot like that. That's fascinating. So, so it, it flies through the air in a fiery form, leaving a trail of sparks behind it. The flight is accompanied by the second sound of rushing wind. And their cries resemble. Described as resembling a raven's dive call. And they're considered an omen of death. So there's an audible noise, right?
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Top Lobster
There's, there's something like if you were a kid in Gaza. That's how you describe.
- [99:26]
Wesley
Yeah, dude. Right. I mean, that's what I'm saying. It sounds a lot like that. It's fascinating. Raven mockers are said to gather at the homes of the dying, tormenting their victims by pressing on their chest to restrict breathing or throwing them on the ground. So that sounds a lot like poltergeist activity, right? Getting tossed out of your bed or pulled out of your bed. But then you also have that sleep paralysis aspect where there's something on your chest restricting your breathing. After the victim dies, the raven mocker is believed to remove and consume, consume the heart to absorb the victim's remaining lifespan. No marks are left on the body, but the heart is said to be missing. That's fascinating. How would you determine that? Sacred text Mysteries of the Cherokee. That's interesting. That's some of the. The footnotes. And then Cherokee Myths and Legends 30 tales retold McFarland & Co. Co. Although feared for their power, other witches are said to avoid the raven mocker. Medicine men using special knowledge can detect and repel them from entering homes. Tradition holds that if raven mocker, if a raven mocker is seen in Its true form, it dies within seven days. Man, that's awfully specific.
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David Lee Corbo
Samara comes and gets it.
- [100:50]
Wesley
I don't know what. What I mean, we were talking about. I'll describe it to you in a second. Let me just finish this passage here. Gun Scaliski, Gun Skalisky, a renowned Cherokee shaman, was said to have destroyed several raven mockers by using a special tea made from duck root, enabling him to see them. I wonder how he. He then went about it. So one of the interesting details, Wes, about the raven mocker, it's said to fly through the air at night in a fiery form with outstretched arms and a trail of sparks behind it. And that it's accompanied by the sound of rushing wind and. And the cries of a raven's dive.
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David Lee Corbo
It's like a banshee.
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Wesley
Well, it sounds a lot like. I. I was telling Top. I don't often like to attribute sort of. What would you call it, a. A misunderstanding to. To ancient people because, you know, it's like the more you look into things, the more you're like, oh, maybe the ancients did know what the hell they were talking about, you know, about some of these things that they were seeing. But sometimes that whole ancient aliens attribution of them not having the language to describe technology kind of seems like it applies. So when you have something flying through the air at night with a trail of sparks behind it in a fiery form, and the sound of rushing wind and. And the cries of a raven accompanying it, it sounds a lot like. I mean, that sounds like a combustion engine. You know what I mean? Like this, this. It sounds like Iron Man. Right, right, right. I just finished watching those films with my son, so I don't know. I mean, very interesting. And then, yeah, they. This is another interesting detail. They are said to gather at the homes of their victims and they torment them by pressing on their chest to restrict breathing, which sounds a lot like sleep paralysis, or throwing them on the ground, which sounds a lot like poltergeist activity.
- [102:48]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, you guys should watch the metal project and see what happens.
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Wesley
Interesting. Interesting.
- [102:53]
Top Lobster
Full circle.
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David Lee Corbo
Like maybe I. I will say in the trailer, there's a girl saying, it grabbed me by the leg and threw me out of bed.
- [103:04]
Wesley
Oh, that's right. That is right. Man, what the heck is that? That's bizarre. That's bizarre. So what are you gonna do, Wes? Are you gonna keep doing this? You're gonna keep going to these places and see these things and. Yeah, as long as you're armored up. Right?
- [103:22]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And. And like, there's there's gonna be places I won't go for sure. But for the most part, like, I want to tell these people's stories. That's the thing I want to do. And I want to add, like, one thing I knew when I left my last place was whatever I do with what I can do, it's going to be to serve the kingdom of God somehow. Like, whatever I do. That doesn't mean I won't do any job ever. That doesn't. You know, you've got to put bread on the table.
- [103:57]
Wesley
Right, Right.
- [103:58]
David Lee Corbo
But I don't want to actively do the opposite. Right. Like, I don't want to. That's what was hard about the politics stuff is because it wasn't. It was offering. Like, we were at that job, we were talking about solutions that did not include the truth.
- [104:16]
Wesley
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo
It doesn't mean that. That doesn't mean that they aren't viable solutions for the time being or that. It's that you're not extrapolating, extracting truth from fact, and you're saying, you may be saying things that are factual, but they're not truth. Right. And, and, and I'm just. I'm not willing to do that anymore. I'm not willing to be like, oh, there's solutions for these, like, geopolitical nightmares we're living that don't include, like, knowing the truth. There are solutions that don't involve, like, saying that, like, we just got to vote the right guy in again. Like, it's just not. It's not doing it for me. You know, it's like, and, and I'm done siding with politicians or, or, or world leaders or, or public figures that if you are not on Christ's side, you're. I'm not on your side, like, right at the end of the day. And it's like it is that 10 years ago I would not have been talking like this. I've been like, well, you know, the right guy, like, lower taxes and, you know, a better foreign policy. We're going to be sitting pretty. And I'm like, no, it's not true anymore. Yeah, it's not true anymore.
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Top Lobster
It's funny because as you're, as you're saying that without, like, getting too deep to it, he's.
- [105:29]
Wesley
He's got headphones in.
- [105:31]
Top Lobster
Okay. He's got his puppy. He's. He's doing his thing there. Yeah, there's. I guess it's hard to say, but I think that these things are actually not just incompatible, but I think that they're in opposition to each other. Whereas we've heard about what we do, that there are. People have issues. They have issue with the, the faith aspect of what we do.
- [105:57]
Wesley
Yeah.
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Top Lobster
Whereas you think that you can balance these things, but you really can't. Because I guess the realities is just they are polar opposites. They seem for a long time to me that they were one in the same or at least can go hand in hand. Like one leads into the other, but I. One does lead into the other. I think politics should lead into this idea of spirituality and Christianity, but you've got to leave it at the door. And it gets frustrating for both parties that are in either camp when they're looking at each other because they can't make sense of it.
- [106:29]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And I think people hear that and they think like, what do you, what do you suggest? A theocracy? And it's like, no, it's just that any system is a flawed system if people are imbued by the spirit of Christ. Like if, if you, you like I'm a, a free enterprise guy. Right. Like a. I don't call it capitalism. Capitalism anymore. Because what does that even mean? Like we're in a capitalist society and it's a corporate corporatist nightmare. But like people being free to make their own, to exchange goods and services. Sure. But just like socialism or communism break down because of the godlessness of it, so too does free enterprise because you're not dealing with honest brokers. So people can make like freedom in Christ is not freedom to be libertine. It's freedom to do the right thing. And if you are not individually doing the right thing from the bottom up, then the system is doomed. And so that's the same for the political system. If there's a. I don't care what bill's being passed, if it's not being passed with the spirit of like goodness, like, and, and doing the right thing. And those things are not designed to do that. They're designed to be big, to obfuscate the many bad things they do with a name like the Dream act or whatever, you know, like.
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Wesley
Right, right.
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David Lee Corbo
They want it to sound as possible or as good as, as possible. And that's. Once again it's the same with like the new age. The new age. You've talked about it a lot, David, where it's like a lot of these things that they say, like, ah, you know, the health benefits of this, the, the, the, the mental health benefits of, of these practices. Yeah, I'm sure, you know, or something too Like Eastern philosophy and, like, chakra. I'm sure there is something that's wonderful about that, but at what cost? You know, what. What is the root of it? Yoga. The same thing, you know, like. Oh, yeah, those stretches are great. Are you trying to channel interdimensional entities while you do it?
- [108:17]
Wesley
So that's exactly where I've been at lately with the whole yoga thing. It's like, I can probably use some stretching. My back is pretty stiff. And I think it's. It's a good thing to incorporate stretching, especially if you're lifting and things like that. But at what point are you trying to meditate and. And get in contact with something to align chakras, make yourself some sort of an antenna of sorts to receive just.
- [108:38]
David Lee Corbo
Just CE5. It's exactly what it is. Yoga. Right. And it's like. Have you ever seen that show, the oa, Dude?
- [108:47]
Wesley
Yeah.
- [108:47]
David Lee Corbo
Where they.
- [108:47]
Wesley
What a wild show.
- [108:49]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. Because that's. That's. And I think that's the difference. It's like you could do all of those. They're literally just making body sigils. Like.
- [108:56]
Wesley
Yeah, that's exactly.
- [108:56]
David Lee Corbo
Repeated body sigils. And. And like yoga, you could interpret to be the same thing, but you don't have to do that. You can do a downward dog and whatever, and you're not trying to communicate with. You know, I was so like, he's.
- [109:11]
Wesley
Got this thing in my back. Dog.
- [109:13]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [109:13]
Wesley
Just trying to work this thing out of my back. I. Yeah, we've been in a similar place. You know, everybody knows that the. The whole falling out with. With Clint, and we're not doing Dangerous anymore, but after it was removed and I. I think God removed it, I was able to look back and say, like, yeah, dude, I had to compromise my. My beliefs in order to engage with those ideas in a way that wasn't going to constantly derail the show. You know what I mean? Because it's like, if you tell me that we just need to do X, Y and Z, and it's great that Cash Patel is the head of the FBI. What I really want to tell you is it doesn't. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all that Cash Patel is the head of the FBI. It doesn't matter that your guy got a. It doesn't matter. But what that makes is for every episode to be a contentious episode where I am unwilling to move from my position, because in order to engage with these ideas and have a conversation that's going to last two hours, I need to be able to say more than. It doesn't matter.
- [110:16]
Top Lobster
But the funny thing is that on the flip side of that, that's the response that you would get from the political side. Like, I'm sure if we sat down with, you know, like a Tim pool, he would, he would give you very much. It doesn't really, that doesn't apply, doesn't apply here. And it's like, yeah, you're right, it doesn't. But neither does your shit. Not from my worldview. And I think my worldview is correct.
- [110:40]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And I'm. And I know you guys have a certain opinion of, of Tim and stuff.
- [110:46]
Wesley
And I, I, you know what? I, I like, I liked him and I think that he is, I think he's coming around. I don't think you, you keep a guy like Cashman around, and Tim obviously loves him. You know what I mean? So, like, I think what Tim has done is he just worked himself into a position where he, he can't really engage with these ideas because everything he's built with built has been predicated on engaging with these ideas.
- [111:14]
Top Lobster
Yeah. What I, what I was saying is it's unfair. I've never spoken to Tim in this, in that manner. I'm talking like the people that we have, the real politic heads, the political heads, like Dave Smith. Yeah, he gave us that. I reject the premise. I was like, yeah, dude, I reject your premise. Like, you can keep debating. It doesn't matter. What you've done here is. I mean, it's kind of astounding that you've built such a, like a large following doing this, but I'm like, in the end, it's like, it's fruitless in a way, because where are we leading people? Where are we going?
- [111:43]
David Lee Corbo
I have a great Dave Smith anecdote from where he was on our show when we did the live event. And I was. Had been there all week setting it up, and I was just flustered and done by the time the show started. And I walked up to, Tim was asking me to do something, something. And on the mic, Dave yelled at me. He was like, get your genocide out of here. And I was like, and I've had a shirt on and it had Hebrew, like words across it. He was like, get your Zionist Genesis. Get out of here. He was like, what's that say? And I said, it says, Jesus is Messiah. He goes, oh, you just, you just want to piss off everybody.
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Wesley
Yeah, that's what I was upset about, that Dave Smith episode, because it was like, I do regard him as A as a great mind in his ability.
- [112:37]
David Lee Corbo
To he, that was, he was being facetious, I should say, like, no, no.
- [112:41]
Wesley
Obviously in that moment. But when I spoke to him, I was just trying to get him to, I wanted to see what it was like when a guy like him engaged with these ideas and I couldn't even get him to engage with the ideas. He rejected the premise outright. He wouldn't step foot in that supernatural kind of a place. And I thought that it would have been an easy compromise for him to make given the state of the world and, you know, certainly what happens at the upper echelons of politics, given all the Epstein esque kind of, you know, things that we're subjected to now. And I thought, well, certainly now more than ever a guy like Dave Smith can entertain these ideas. And I was fascinated to see how he interacted with them. They wouldn't even give me that.
- [113:24]
David Lee Corbo
And I said, yeah, everybody's on ramp, is in a different location.
- [113:29]
Wesley
It is true, it is. But I had never. And, and I haven't, I hadn't up until that moment. And since then I still have not had it happen again. Had anyone completely reject engaging with the ideas, just flat out rejecting gay. I won't engage when you say I reject the premise more effectively. If you go back and watch that episode, what he said is I am unwilling to engage with those ideas for an hour and a half to two hours. And I thought, fascinating, yes. I've never experienced that before and I thought that I would get something totally different from Dave Smith there. And, and it's not what I got. So I mean that.
- [114:10]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, I don't know, my read on that is probably different than yours or maybe it's not. You tell me if I'm wrong. Somebody who's unwilling to engage with an idea is not somebody who dismisses them out of hand. It's somebody who cannot deal with the reality of them.
- [114:23]
Wesley
Yeah, yeah, I, I think that Dave Smith is used to being, and I'm not saying this to his detriment, I mean, if anything it's actually a compliment. He's used to, to being able to engage at a very high level with any topic that you throw at him. If you have Dave Smith in your chair, if you, if you have him on your stage, then you are guaranteed a, a high level engagement with whatever the subject matter is. He does not engage with something. It seems to be the case that is going to have him give a subpar performance. And so it was like he's, he doesn't, he doesn't know enough about it. Y, he doesn't have a handle on the situation. And rather than engage in it in, in any sort of lower capacity than what you're typically used to seeing from Dave Smith, he's just not going to engage with it at all, which is like, you know, it's a, it's a safe bet. And I don't dislike these people. It's the same thing with, with, with Tim. I don't dislike Tim. We bust his balls a lot. But, and I, I, I kind of really just want, I want Tim to get it. I want, and I think he does kind of get it on some level. It's just like, how much are you willing to pull back the, the curtain? But what's, what's a shame about that is like, we don't have any curtain. There's no curtain here.
- [115:38]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [115:39]
Wesley
You know, if, if you throw something at me that I don't understand, I'm going to tell you that I'm just don't understand it. I, I like to think that I, I, I get it though. And I, I think that he does, but he's just like, like I tweeted something this morning. I said, are you having fun? And it was just like to the, to the, to Twitter at large. And, and I think once you, the reason you stop having fun is because you won't allow yourself to be seen as, as the clown at all.
- [116:09]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah.
- [116:10]
Wesley
And that, that puts you in a really, really rough spot. So, so Dave Smith, it's like in order to engage in this supernatural conversation, he might have had to admit in that moment, much like I will admit at any given moment, I'm retarded. I don't know anything about that. It seems that it's, it's valid, but I know nothing about it. I've not spent any time looking into it. So on that topic, I'm retarded. But that, that lowers you to the clown. And if you don't want to be that, well, then you don't engage with it at all. But I think once you do that, you stop having any fun. And I just wonder if, if these guys are having fun anymore. I don't know.
- [116:47]
David Lee Corbo
Right. And there's something to discussing it that is acknowledging it. And acknowledging it is tough because if you have a stable, that's, I feel like that's what a lot of new, not new Christians, but people who are becoming like Christ. Curious. It's at the start, it's very, you know what I mean?
- [117:09]
Wesley
Curious. That's a great, that's a great shirt for people that, like, you know, I don't know, but I'd like to know.
- [117:14]
David Lee Corbo
But I think it's very destabilizing at first because you are built on a foundation of sand, and to move to a foundation of stone, it requires some movement on your part. It requires you deconstructing your domicile there and moving it somewhere else. And that's very uncomfortable because at least you know, where it's the devil, you know, type thing. It's very. Yeah, you're comfortable in that. And I. I was. We were talking about Sleep Token before the show, and they have a line that's something about, like, discordant days become harmony in your mind. And it's like you are too afraid to move to what would be better because you. You are comfortable with what's not working because it's yours. So, like, moving from dysfunction to function is scary because it means something with you or something around you is wrong, even though you know it is. You're like. You can reconcile and say, like, it's not that bad, you know?
- [118:16]
Wesley
Yeah.
- [118:17]
David Lee Corbo
And. And like. And I'm not diagnosing Dave Smith. Dude's a hundred thousand times smarter than I am. So, like. But you do see that in people, right? You do see it where. It's like, I'm not going to. It's. It's the, like, why don't you leave your abusive husband? And you're like, you don't get it. He's not like that all the time, you know, like, yeah, yeah. And. And it's the same. Like, he would be the first person to say, like, the world's messed up. Right? And he'd be like, hey, there's this great hope that did the most amazing thing that you could, like, put your faith in. And. And it absol. Not absolves you, but it. He. He took the brunt of your punishment for you and your role in it and how that can change you. That's a hard pill to swallow for somebody who's built their life on them.
- [119:01]
Wesley
Yeah, he's.
- [119:02]
David Lee Corbo
I'm not saying he did that. I'm just saying people do.
- [119:04]
Top Lobster
That's a Jordan Peterson fallacy, right? Yeah. What do you believe in God? What do you mean by God? It's like, do you believe it? It's a simple. It's a simple question. But I guess, like, you know, to these people, these very high intellectuals, like, I think if they have to come to terms with it. I think I was mentioning this on a previous show, but if you have to come to terms with this thing existing, that means that you have to also come to terms with your entire personality yourself. What you've done before and what you're going to do after that has to die. Yeah, that's painful.
- [119:39]
David Lee Corbo
Somewhat push back on you again on the Jordan Peterson topic, because I actually like that answer from him is because he's saying what. What Christ means by believe in me and what Paul means by put your faith in him is not what most Christians do. Most Christians say, like, yeah, I believe it. Anyway, what's on HBO tonight, you know, like, it's, it's, it's passive. And he's saying, like, belief in something like that is much more powerful.
- [120:03]
Top Lobster
And like, I'm referencing when they ask him if he believes in God.
- [120:06]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, and I think. Right? And I think I, I think that there. Yeah, there's. There is. Yes, Christ made it simple. However, what belief means I think is a big question because, like, I've seen those books at the bookstore that are, like, very passive. You're okay. I'm okay. Christianity, it's like, just acknowledge that he did it and you're good. And it's like, that is not what belief is. Belief changes you from the inside out. Like, Christian does not mean follower of Christ. It means emulator of Christ. It means change. Like, when it's the whole, like, sinners come to me as you are, but go from me and sin no more. There's a big caveat there of like, it doesn't mean you're not going to ever sin again. It means your attitude towards sin changes. It means that I don't want to do this anymore. I want to die. Not only to the world, but to me, that's tough. And that level of belief is. Man, it's tough. It is rough. And, and, and, you know, it's. It's like vomiting out who you are, who you come to accept. Because we do rationalize ourselves as good people, right? We're like, I'm a good person. But you have to accept the fact that, like, oh, man, I'm trash without you. I'm literal garbage without you. I'm made in the image of God and, and I'm a desecration of his name by my very existence without the, without the Holy Spirit, without redemption through Christ.
- [121:30]
Wesley
When you've been, you've been put up on a pedestal because of your materialistic ideas, right? So you're really good at engaging with the materialistic realm, with politics and all these things and your understanding of it and all of your study has elevated you to all of a sudden a person of authority, somebody who. Who celebrated. And these people, I think, are afraid not only of. Of engaging with these ideas that they don't understand and having to admit that. That whatever they've done is. Is, you know, folly, but it also makes them the low man on the totem pole. So you climbed one totem pole for as long as you could grab, you know, scratching and clawing your way to the top, and now all of a sudden you're afraid of being cast at the bottom of the next totem pole. But I don't see it that way at all. Going back to my engagement with Dave Smith, I thought it was fascinating, or would have been fascinating to see how a guy with his mind interacts with these ideas. So it wouldn't cast Dave Smith at the bottom of the totem. No, it would. It would just, you know, he would all. Like, all of us. The more you learn, the more you realize you didn't know to begin with. Right. That's. That's kind of what learning is all about, in my opinion. And. And there is no totem pole when it comes to belief in Christ. Right. I think that there's like, this. This idea that there's a hierarchy. I believe more than you. I'm more well studied than you, but Christ really has made it incredibly simple in a lot of ways. And. And it wouldn't have casted him in a negative light at all. But I think a lot of these people, they are guarding the gold.
- [123:01]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And to your earlier point about, like, you've built yourself on these ideas. You've built it. It makes you feel like, oh, I. If I believe this, then it means these things I've done have no meaning. But it's the opposite. It's like the reason you were able to do that in the first place was because imagine how powerful, like, your. Your testimony is going to be and how, like, how your knowledge will evolve once you. The curtain is pulled back. Like, it's. It's not like I'm a metaphor guy. So it's like. And imagine training your whole life to understand music theory. And then somebody was like, hey, by the way, if you do this, you'll have perfect pitch. And you're like, no, because I. I understand it on a mathematical level. And it's like, yeah, but you could feel it on a. You could feel it. And it's like, no, that'll make all my knowledge worthless. And it's like, no, it's not. If you have perfect pitch. Imagine how powerful, powerful you're going to be musically if you already know this. Whereas if you're somebody with perfect pitch who's never studied music, you may be able to like play a tune, but if you can't hang with the studio musicians who can sight read sheet music, it's like, what good are you?
- [124:08]
Wesley
You know, like, dude, that's like, I would. I, I'm never going to claim to be the Dave Smith of conspiracy and occult, but I came through that way, right? I, I learned all of those ideas first. Conspiracy and, and occult concepts and all this crap. I saw that first. And then when I finally came over to Christianity and realized that I had been not giving this thing that it's due that had been there the entire time and was always like, all the information kept kind of flowing towards it. And I kept going, ah, not today, not today. Once I did that, it like, it didn't say wipe the slate clean. Everything you think you know is, is totally. And therefore forget it all. It was like, here is a much greater context for all the things you think you know.
- [124:50]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And you're an asset to believers who don't know those things.
- [124:54]
Wesley
So whenever I bump into somebody that's like, oh, you're just a, you're just a Christian, you believe that your God is real when all these other gods aren't real. It's like you think you understand what I am. I actually think those other ones are real too. They're just lowercase G, baby. Like, those are also real. And I've been through all that crap. If you want to sit here and talk to me about numerology and all this crap, like, I've been through it. I understand it. I see, I see the symbols, they're there. You know what I mean? You're not wrong in noticing that. But I got through all that and realized that I was wrong about my interpretation of these things. It's like much of the information is real. The nature of it all is what's incredibly important. And if you don't have a grasp on the nature, then your interpretation of all the things that are real is skewed and massively to your detriment. It. And so I, I think it would have been the same thing. And who knows, you know, everybody's journey is different. Dave Smith did say having a child made him believe in God. And my thing with that was like, well, then you should probably be tenaciously after that. No, as tenaciously as you are after everything else. But listen, it's the 2 hour and 10 mark. Let's bring it in for a landing here one more time. Wes, when is this is gonna. We're gonna try to drop this tonight. So what's the date of the release of the documentary? Where can people find it and check it out?
- [126:14]
David Lee Corbo
It will be on moment Co. It's like a premiere website and it comes out July 27th. July 27th. It'll. It'll drop at 8pm Eastern time. And yeah, I. I hope you guys. I hope everybody enjoys it. It's. It's. It's not what I think a lot of people are expecting. It's like I said, it's more of an adaptation of the stories of the book and some like, casual insights on it. Some. It's not meant to be a. Like a diagnosis of what, you know, we think or anything like that. Like, that.
- [126:59]
Wesley
Didn'T feel appropriate texting you afterwards because I. I know obviously I can't ask you here on the show what you think is happening there, but after I watch it, I will be.
- [127:09]
David Lee Corbo
Messaging you and if you guys want to bring me back, we could talk about it. We could talk about the stories.
- [127:14]
Wesley
Yeah. Because there's so much that I want to ask you, but I don't want to give away too much, so I think it would be a good idea to have you back on. And is it in Georgia not allowed to say top lobster. Stop. Unbelievable.
- [127:29]
David Lee Corbo
No comment.
- [127:30]
Wesley
Look, Wes, where else can everybody find your work? That's for the documentary. Anywhere else they could look you up?
- [127:36]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah, like, you can check out my old work on YouTube. There's clips of it show called Cast Castle that I did. I'm proud of that. It was just a silly, stupid thing that we did, like a it's always sunny ish type thing. At the office, I saw a couple people saying they love the show Super Supernatural. We did two episodes that were direct spoofs of Supernatural with Tony Merkel, where we took on a tulpa that took the shape of Joe Biden.
- [128:05]
Wesley
That's awesome. That's awesome.
- [128:06]
David Lee Corbo
Yeah. And spoiler the way we couldn't figure out how to defeat him, so we just trapped him at the top of stairs and he couldn't get down.
- [128:15]
Top Lobster
Let's give him ice cream at the top of stairs. Yeah, you're good.
- [128:18]
Wesley
Hey, Wes, are you having fun, dude?
- [128:21]
David Lee Corbo
Oh, yeah, I'm having fun. I'm ready to move on from this piece, this film. It's been. I've been working on it since January, so. Yeah, it's been a long Time coming in. I'm going into the next. Going right into the next one. And then we got another one right after that. So we're, we're trying to be consistent but not like over saturate at the same time or, or sacrifice quality for quantity. But there's a lot of stories to tell. And, and this is. Our whole team feels called to do this, like, I'll say encouraging thing, like Kent on our team, who is not a Christian, but he's not adversarial. I just remember at one point he called me during this and he said, I gotta go back to church. Just unprovoked or unsolicited. He was just like, I just feel like I should do that. And I was like, all right. In my ledger, one got one. So this was worth it, one person being there. And I was like, yeah. And that's what we want from this ultimately is, is for people to say, because I'm sure you guys get it. The people that are like, hey, I wasn't even thinking about this. And now it's something I'm considering and I see it for what it is and I see the world for what it is. And, and that's what we want is people to see the power of the Lord and understand that he's more powerful than the forces of evil.
- [129:46]
Wesley
Well, I think that's a great message. It's a great place to put a fork in it. And we'd love to have you back. Maybe next time we can grab somebody. I don't know if you have access to anybody who can come on. And also elaborate a little bit on what goes on there at the meadow. But I think we should run it back because a lot of people, you know, this is a good way to get people to go and check it out. I know, I'm going to check it it out. I'll be there at 27th, 8pm But I'm gonna have a lot of questions after it's over.
- [130:12]
David Lee Corbo
So, yeah, there'll be a lot of questions because like I said, it's. It's a. It's not an analysis, it's a presentation. Right? It's a here's what happened and not a, like, okay, let's look into this because we just. I have my thoughts and like, there's several things I wanted to bring up on here. I was like, ah, I can't go there yet.
- [130:32]
Wesley
Ah, see? See? All right, all right, we're going to have you back on. We'll talk about whatever the hell is going on at the Meadow. Guys, if you want to see it, be there on the 27th at 8pm what's the website? One more time.
- [130:42]
David Lee Corbo
Moment co.
- [130:44]
Wesley
Moment, co. All right, guys, we know where to find it. Wes. Thank you, brother. It's always a pleasure talking to you. And until next time. Soon.
- [130:53]
David Lee Corbo
Until next time. Thank you, guys.
- [130:55]
Top Lobster
Until next time. Obey, submit and comply. Guys. Peace out.
- [130:59]
David Lee Corbo
The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade that what they see with their eyes is what there is.
- [131:14]
Wesley
To see.
- [131:16]
David Lee Corbo
Because they'll act in the face of an explanation that portrays the bigger picture of what and the they.