Nephilim Death Squad – Episode 195: Mysteries of the Meadow w/ Trey Hudson

Podcast: Nephilim Death Squad
Hosts: TopLobsta (Host 1), Raven / David Lee Corbo (Host 2)
Guest: Trey Hudson
Date: August 16, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the “Meadow Project,” an area of high strangeness explored by researcher and retired government intelligence officer Trey Hudson. The hosts, TopLobsta and Raven, discuss the project’s paranormal phenomena, the possible connection between these enigmas and biblical perspectives, and the intersection between cutting-edge science, military secrets, and spiritual warfare. The conversation ranges broadly, covering fieldwork logistics, the dangers of high strangeness, cubes as recurring paranormal symbolism, and the importance of faith and scientific curiosity.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Trey Hudson’s Background and Entry into the Meadow Project

• Trey’s Professional & Academic History
  • Retired from the US government after 34 years (Army intelligence, security specialist, chief of intelligence/security at a DoD industrial base). (03:31)
  • Academic background in parapsychology at University of West Georgia, influenced by Dr. William Roll and studies in humanistic/transpersonal psychology. (06:43)
  • Initially approached the field as a “ghost guy,” then shifted focus after discovering strange activity near a supposedly haunted road, which led to the Meadow investigation. (06:43–08:03)
• How the Meadow Project Began
  • Accidentally discovered a field (the Meadow) ideal for research: open expanse, Bigfoot and UFO sighting history, good logistics for monitoring and thermal equipment. Fieldwork began in 2016 and continued post-retirement. (08:42–11:04)
  • “I looked at this field, and it was a big open expanse. Imagine about eight acres...and it just so happens...it is chock full of high strangeness.” (Trey Hudson, 10:24)

The Intersection of Supernatural & Scientific Inquiry

• Military, Remote Viewing, and the Human Factor
  • Many on Trey’s team are trained in military-style remote viewing; the human observer is often the most sensitive detector of anomalous phenomena. (13:27)
• Reconciling Faith & Strangeness
  • Trey openly identifies as a “Bible believing, saved Christian,” stressing the psychological, physical, and spiritual dangers in this work.
  • “If you go into this business...you have to be dialed in psychologically, physically and spiritually or you're not going to make it.” (Trey Hudson, 15:00)
• The Nature of the Phenomena and Possible Explanations
  • Theorizes that certain locations (Skinwalker Ranch, “the Meadow,” Marley Woods, etc.) possess thinner “veils" between dimensions or realities, possibly due to geological/geographical features (quartz, running water, geomagnetics).
  • Technologies may sometimes create or accentuate such effects, but understanding remains elusive.
  • “Not only do I not know the answers, I might not even know what the right questions are.” (Trey Hudson, 20:16)

Paranormal Fieldwork, Technology, and Dangers

• Apparitions, UFOs, and the Problem of “The Cube”
  • Multiple anomalous events: shadow entities, UFO sightings, high strangeness cubes invisible to the naked eye but seen with thermal or full-spectrum equipment.
  • The cube motif recurs in numerous religious, occult, and UFO contexts (Ark of the Covenant, Kaaba, New Jerusalem, alchemy), and evokes a deep psychological resonance.
    • “Why did Carl Jung have the effigy of a cube put down at the lakeside at his retirement home? Because we look at cubes and it resonates with us.” (Trey, 54:09)
  • In some instances, approaching or crossing certain areas induces confusion or spatial disorientation (see “doorway" experience and radiation spikes). (74:29–82:15)
• Technology & Dissociation
  • Use of Estes Method (sensory deprivation with a ghost box) appears to facilitate two-way communication with “non-human intelligence,” but entities become hostile when asked for specifics. (25:11)
  • “It gets very irritated, very agitated, like it doesn't want to talk about that. And I found that very telling.” (Trey, 25:46)
• Radiation and Physical Risk
  • Encounters are sometimes accompanied by Geiger counter spikes; levels are usually not harmful, but caution is advised. (70:30)
  • Protocols: never go alone, always have navigation, radios, EMT gear.
  • Winter is preferred for fieldwork (fewer people, better visibility, improved thermal contrast).

The Role of the Government and Information Control

• Classified Programs, Disclosure, and Misinformation
  • Trey’s security background informs his skepticism toward official UFO/proximity ‘disclosure’ narratives, noting that most observed phenomena are likely misidentifications or classified military projects. (35:04–38:01)
  • Private defense contractors often drive technological advances attributed to military “secrets.”
  • Emphasizes strict consequences for breaking security oaths (citing Snowden, Assange, Hansen). (39:43)
• The Reality TV-ification of Paranormal Sites
  • Discusses Skinwalker Ranch and other research sites transitioning to media spectacles; maintains that public TV shows show only “the sizzle,” while real research is often kept in the background. (45:28–47:07)

Cognitive, Psychological, and Spiritual Implications

• Field Experiences: Disorientation and “Portals”
  • Trey describes an experience where crossing a creek led to intense confusion and possible spatial “looping,” coupled with a spike in detected radiation; wonders if this mechanistic strangeness ties to missing persons phenomena in national parks (David Paulides’ “Missing 411” cases). (74:29–82:15)
  • “If I hadn't had those protocols in place, could I have ended up as one of the chapters in David Polity's books?” (Trey, 79:37)
• Human Susceptibility
  • Certain people seem more likely to “activate” phenomena; team explores brain-entrainment (“God helmet”), remote viewing, and ESOG experiments; use of psychedelics is considered but generally avoided in the field. (107:16–110:13)
  • “What we have found is that may prime the pump…makes the whole experience more receptive to phenomena.” (Trey, 108:35)
• Gestalt and Manifestation
  • Raises the question: could collective attention or psychic focus cause an uptick or even a change in the nature of the phenomena witnessed at the Meadow? (106:34)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Spiritual Readiness

  “If you go into this business...you have to be dialed in psychologically, physically and spiritually or you're not going to make it. You're going to have very negative outcomes.”
  — Trey Hudson (15:00)

• On Government Secrecy

  “You sign a piece of paper called a DD Form 2836 and that is a non disclosure indoctrination statement and it has very, very, very, very stiff penalties. … So anybody that comes out and says, ‘Oh, like Bob Lazar say, yeah, I'm gonna just release this information.’ Look what happened to Robert Hansen… Assange… Snowden…”
  — Trey Hudson (39:43)

• On the Recurring “Cube”

  “You go to Mecca: there’s something there called the Kaaba, which is a huge black cube…you come into the New Testament...[with] New Jerusalem descending from the sky, which is a cube...Carl Jung had the effigy of a cube put down at the lakeside at his retirement home...in the alchemist text, a black cube is the prima materia.”
  — Trey Hudson (53:44–56:11)

• On the Nature of the Phenomenon

  “It’s like developed a rapport with us....we’re getting people having precognitive thoughts, being physically touched; it’s like it's becoming more intimate.”
  — Trey Hudson (86:29–86:40)

• On the Pursuit of Mystery

  “If we’re not thinking, if we’re not moving, if we’re not exercising our curiosity, then we’re not human. And I plan on being as human as possible.”
  — Trey Hudson (111:52)

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Topic | Timestamp | |-----------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|--------------------| | Trey’s intro & background | Early career, government, and academic foundation | 02:21–06:43 | | Discovery of Meadow | How the Meadow became the focal point, research logistics | 08:42–13:27 | | Faith vs. Phenomenon | Spiritual grounding, Christian worldview | 14:41–16:22 | | “Cube” and High Strangeness | Sightings, symbolism, reoccurrences in religion and UFOlogy | 17:31, 53:43–58:59 | | Government secrecy/misinformation | How programs & private contractors shield true nature of technologies | 35:04, 39:43, 41:25| | Disorientation experiences | Meadow experiments, missing time, spatial looping | 74:29–82:15 | | “What is this teaching us?” | Phenomena as teacher, possible intelligence behind the events | 85:37–89:51 | | God helmet & priming the pump | Technological psychic augmentation, team experiments | 107:16–108:35 | | On going viral & gestalt | Will public attention change the phenomenon? | 106:32–107:10 | | Final “Why do this?” | Love for mystery, the human imperative | 111:22–111:52 | | Where to find Trey’s work | Books/website/next projects | 112:06–113:06 |

Additional Notes & Takeaways

• The Meadow Project is an ongoing investigation, integrating empirical and experiential methods to bridge science and spiritual perspectives.
• Trey emphasizes the unpredictability, danger, and deeply personal nature of encounters with the unknown—the importance of faith, psychological preparedness, and community among researchers.
• The recurring “cube” motif ties together biblical, mystical, and modern UFOlogy, making it a powerful archetype for both symbolism and possible interdimensional technology.
• Group speculation reflects the hosts’ and guest’s openness to a range of explanations (spiritual, technological, psychological) and the refusal to adopt simple, reductionist answers.
• Human curiosity and engagement with the unknown—while risky—is framed as an essential, God-given trait.
• Trey’s books and the Meadow Project documentary are highlighted as key resources for further inquiry.

For more:

• Trey Hudson’s Author Page
• TreyHudsonResearch.com
• [The Meadow Project documentary info – Check episode description for latest release details]

“Go out there, love your friends, love your family, love God and have fun.”
— Trey Hudson (113:49)