Narrator/Clip Voice (2:05)

Down but no one's saying shit.

William Ramsey (2:06)

What happens to the home of the brave?

Co-host 1 (2:09)

They control us now when no one's.

Narrator/Clip Voice (2:11)

Talking about how they made us finally.

William Ramsey (2:12)

Slaves and everybody's just walking around heading.

Narrator/Clip Voice (2:16)

The clouds and won't awaken to a.

Co-host 1 (2:17)

Dead in the grave by any Too late. We need to be ready to raise up.

Narrator/Clip Voice (2:21)

Welcome to the end of day Everybody.

William Ramsey (2:24)

Is slaves Only some are aware that the government releasing poison.

Co-host 2 (2:29)

Welcome to typo it. Swear to God, it was a typo.

Co-host 1 (2:32)

It's not a typo. You don't know how to spell Manurian. I don't know how to spell man. Juan. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven, that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. We are wearing fantastic shirts and we'll tell you where to get them eventually. But first, this episode is going to go live exclusively to patreon.com forward/ephilim death squad for a number of reasons. One, because we like money. But two, because this is going to be a very sensitive topic.

Co-host 2 (3:01)

I've been thinking. Yeah. As William tells us, like, what it's about, I'm like, how am we get. We're gonna air it in some form or fashion.

Co-host 1 (3:07)

Well, of course. Yeah.

Co-host 2 (3:08)

On YouTube.

Co-host 1 (3:08)

YouTube is not going to be the place to view this. There will be a version available on YouTube. Rumble, Patreon, places like that. The audio feed, that's where you're going to want to listen to it. Patreon.com forward/nephilim death Squad. You get a bunch of perks, including early access to Bohemian Grove tickets when they release. If you watch the previous episode with Ed. We talked a little bit about what it's going to look like when it does. So Bohemian four. I'm sorry, Bohemian Grove four is coming. Also, a discount code off of merchandise from toplopster.com where you can pick up lots of dope shirts. Acidic Jew. Can we Acidic Jew it up?

Co-host 2 (3:40)

No, we'll show them this.

Co-host 1 (3:42)

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Co-host 2 (3:51)

You asked. We did it.

Co-host 1 (3:52)

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Co-host 2 (4:09)

That's very.

William Ramsey (4:09)

This is a very serious.

Co-host 1 (4:10)

That's right. We can't tell you what the pineapple means. Guys, join. Excuse me. Joining us today is William Ramsey. We're going to talk about some pretty rough. But before we do, William, can you please let everybody know where they can find your work?

William Ramsey (4:27)

I have a podcast in the top point 5%, maybe the top 20,000 podcasts in the world titled William Ramsey Investigates Investigative Journalism. I cover a lot of topics. I have guests. I do my own shows. I've written five books, which you can buy on my website and, or on Amazon. And I have five documentaries on Patreon because Amazon refuses to hold them or stream them. So I've decided to stream it on my Patreon. But yeah, this is kind of a sensitive topic. I don't think certain corporations would not be happy with the subject matter.

Co-host 1 (5:04)

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if midway through this we end up getting pulled off of YouTube anyway, before we hit our half hour mark. But either way, it's gonna live on Patreon, it's gonna live on Rumble, it's going to live on our RSS feed. Right now we are in the throes of it's PSYOP season once again.

Co-host 2 (5:19)

Oh yeah, it really is.

William Ramsey (5:20)

They're.

Co-host 1 (5:20)

They're pulling the trigger on everything. And speaking of pulling the trigger, we've got a lot of really suspicious shootings as we do. You know, this, this thing kind of happens. It comes and goes in waves and right now the waves are huge and they are crashing and, and every single shooter, every sort of violent incident is chock full of idiosyncrasies, things that just don't add up. Strange. I mean, you know, there's so much high strangeness surrounding them. I don't know where you want to begin on this topic, but just for the audience to prime them. We're going into this discussion under the presupposition that these are Manchurian candidates. As you can see by the way that we spelled it in the title.

William Ramsey (6:04)

Yeah, more.

Co-host 2 (6:05)

Just more product placement. Yeah, Free Range Ultra MK Ultra.

Co-host 1 (6:11)

Yeah.

Co-host 2 (6:11)

Chickens.

Co-host 1 (6:11)

Chickens. There we go. So, and that's what we suspect. We were having a little discussion before the show started. When you take the MK Ultra program and you scale it up, what does that look like? And maybe we're all victims of it to some extent, but these individuals that are plastered all over the news, all over the Mockingbird media. Where do you want to begin on this topic?

William Ramsey (6:33)

I think that's a great intro. There's a lot going on. Like this is like a present day environment just like you said. But it goes back and we were talking in the pre show. It goes back to really the beginning of all these kind of craziness and shooters started in the 60s and the assassins or pseudo assassins or patsies really is a watermark I think. Was it in this film, which is a very strange film in its inception, how it was filmed and then it disappeared for 25 years. It was literally taken off the market. The original, it wasn't re shown until 1997 or 1998. So it really kind of is out of the public consciousness. And I can see why because the book is very well written, it's a very well made film in my opinion with a lot of like top level stars at that time. Frank Sinatra and Janet Lee was just came out of filming Psycho for people.

Co-host 1 (7:27)

Frank Sinatra was in a Centurion candidate film that I did not know that. What a, what a big grab.

William Ramsey (7:34)

He was actually more than just the star. He was the producer and was really the, the drive to put the, the book together into a film. He was actually the core person. One of the interesting things about Sinatra is that he had a very close friendship with jfk. So there's a weird overlap between this fictional film and movie and the JFK arc and assassination that we're coming up on is what, 11-22-63. So we're nearing the. Was it 60 something anniversary. And I think that the, one of the, one of the reasons that Sinatra said or the reason why he took the film because he owned the production company. Well, I took it out of distribution. Is about the eerie similarities between the film and the JFK assassination.

Co-host 1 (8:22)

It seems like given how long the, the film was buried, maybe they revealed a little bit too much. I wonder what that was. I wonder if that was Sinatra trying to do a solid. I mean, I doubt it. Right. He is, he's. He's a Hollywood elite, music industry elite.

Co-host 2 (8:39)

And I mean I would say like Hollywood, but also mob tide.

Co-host 1 (8:43)

Yeah.

Co-host 2 (8:44)

Talking like Vegas in the 60s. In the 60s, what, in the 40s, right.

William Ramsey (8:50)

Yeah, he was mob from the beginning. His parents were involved in the mafia, so he was, they was kind of suppressed a lot of his mob stuff. But I think it's all been exposed now that he, he had very close ties to major mob figures. And I think that that was one of the things that actually at the end drove Sinatra and JFK apart is that he was exposed that he was in the mob or close. Various close associates. And his brother is prosecuting mobsters like Marcelo. Right. He was in, he was in New Orleans. He was the New Orleans kind of mob boss. So it was kind of an unnerving thing to have that publicized. But they were close friends. And actually the, the. Okay, the green light for the film actually took place in a discussion between. This is like verified by multiple sources. Took place at he and his port, if you remember or know the Kennedy kind of compound where. I mean this is really present too because it ties into RFK Jr. Who's in the Trump administration right now. And depending how much time and how far along we get into the thing, we can talk about the death of RFK, JFK's brother, because it ties into the Manchurian Candidate. So. So the. The. Okay, to get it started, it was. I think they had $2.2 million to film. Sinatra was going to be in the lead role. They got this guy to play Raymond Shaw. His name was Lawrence. I can't remember his last name. It was Lawrence Harvey. Angela Lansbury played the. Like the witch. And at one point, this film was in the AFI American Film Institute's top 100 films. So it's considered to be kind of a masterpiece. That's pretty rarefied air for this film to be up in there. It's dropped out, but I think it was from 1990s. In the 90s, it was ascertained to be like one of the great films.

Co-host 2 (10:44)

But nice Sinatra quote there as well. I appreciate that. The rarefied air. That's a. Oh, there you go. Yeah, yeah. Where the air is rarefied.

William Ramsey (10:56)

Yeah.

Co-host 1 (10:56)

I don't know. I'm uncultured. I've never. I can't remember. I know his. I know his music catalog. I mean, his. His Christmas catalog.

William Ramsey (11:03)

He had a lot of friends. He had mafia friends. He had. He actually was very much involved in jfk when he was elected in like the celebrations. He was in like. It's Sammy Davis Jr. Who's an interest. Part of the Rat Pack, if you guys know that or remember that he said that Frank Sinatra had a direct line into the White House. He just really knew Kennedy. Sinatra did. So it's a very close thing. And you'll see there are themes within this book and the film that play into fact. So, like, one of the presentations I've done about the Manchurian Candidate is fiction to fact because the fictional narrative resembles fact. This is at the time when the U. S. Was really gearing up and doing heavy duty research into mind control. Right. Most people know the name MK ultra starting 53. Before that, there was a lecture by Dolas, who was the head of the CIA, that he did something called brain warfare. He gave a speech to his fellow Princeton alumni, he graduated from Princeton, about the necessity of doing this in the. In the context of the Cold War. Like, the Russians are doing this, we need to do this. And you'll see that kind of same theme in this film where the main character, who is Raymond Shaw, played by Lawrence Harvey, the Manchuria reference is that Manchuria was above the Korean War. So the Korean War was a conflict between the so called free world and the communists and literally the entire country. There was no building over like, over like one story high that was left. They bombed the crap out of Korea. They literally raised Korea to the ground. And a lot of the guys who were involved in bombing like Europe and Japan were involved. So Curtis LeMay, who ties into the JFK assassination is involved in all this stuff. But the Korean war is from 50 to 53. And then it's weird that the war stopped and then mkr, MK ULTRA started. But Manchurian reference is this area above the Korean Peninsula. Manchukuo could be called that, but that's how it got its name. And so it's in the, in the narrative of the film. They're taken. There's. It actually has. What's interesting too is that they have a cult numerology. Condon, who's the writer, was very well referenced. Like it's pretty impressive. Like I find his frame of reference to be very extensive. But he included like 11s and 77s and all this stuff. So the 11 member troop paratroop goes into Manchuria. And I think one of the most famous sequences that was filmed, this was filmed by the actual director is Frankenheimer, who is close friends with rfk. Like so you see this weird tie in between people involved in this and real politicians like Sinatra's friends with JFK and Frankenheimer's friends with RFK. Actually before RFK got shot in 68, he was staying at Frankenheimer's house. So the guy who's directing the Manchurian Candidate is that close to political events.

Co-host 1 (14:21)

Geez, that's crazy.

William Ramsey (14:23)

No, this is unbelievable. You can't even believe it because he is at the Ambassador Hotel. Frankenheimer, who directed the Manchurian Candidate. And according to Ed Sanders, who wrote a book about Mansons and stuff, he's a great researcher. He said, according to his information, Sirhan Sirhan brushed by Frankenheimer before going into the pantry. And then I can. Yeah. And so Frankenheimer's like, is this really true? Did what we filmed really come to pass? Because once you start researching sir and Sirinha, you realize there's no way he could have killed rfk. RFK got shot very close to the back of his head. This is another headshot. Just like jfk, right? Like somebody wants him dead. Yeah, it's like the Noguchi is a really interesting character because he's the medical examiner in Los Angeles, but he totally independent. So like the media will say something. And the Gucci's like, no, this Was she was shot behind his head. It was an inch away. That was the kill shot. It didn't come from the front. And nobody in that small area, that pantry saucer ancerhan, get within 3ft of RFK. And the person who, most people who've researched it in in depth, there's great books out there, Lisa Peace and Tim Tate and oh, another guy, I can't remember, they all said that the killer's most likely this guy who was kind of put into the environment as a security guard and his name is Thane Eugene Caesar. He like disappeared and like went to like Philippines and dropped off the face of the earth. But that's the interesting tie between Frankenheimer and, and RFK and JFK is these guys are around this where these kind of strange characters are involved. And it goes back to the Manchurian narrative, which is these guys are brought in, they're brought into this thing, they're, they're exposed to, you know, some kind of in that you can either call it hypnosis, brainwashing, induction, and then they're, they're reformed. And then the main character gets this kind of intel legend and he gets a medal of honor, right? So he, for this supposed skirmish that never happened, it's all fake and everybody's told it's fake, but he gets this thing. He's lauded his mother and then his stepfather is a senator and his mother's trying to angle her husband into the presidency. And I mean this is a total ruiner of the whole film. But like so spoiler alerts, I'm going to spoil the whole film. Anyway, they're starting to realize they're having dreams and nightmares about this kind of induction because during this hypnosis event that happened in Manchuria, two people were murdered, one guy shot, pulled, literally pulled the trigger. You just use that figure of speech. One guy shot in the head and the other strangled. And that the real thing is, it's, that is actually a question that a lot of researchers have asked in the real world world. Can you get somebody to do something that's against your moral code while under hypnosis or post hypnotic suggestion? That's an open question. There's actually when you read the literature you realize that, that that question is addressed.

Co-host 1 (17:40)

That's interesting because it seems like what they've, what they've done or at least through our research is the trauma causes the individual to disassociate and it makes space for an additional layer of, of personality and you can get into the spiritual implications is that Is that a form of possession or something like that?

William Ramsey (17:58)

But.

Co-host 1 (17:58)

But really it seems like you can achieve quite a bit through an individual if you can move their personality away from the forefront and almost to the back of the psyche. And. And this gets into a bunch of strange things, right, where you have like Stranger Things. That's a funny thing actually, that I said unintentional.

William Ramsey (18:17)

It actually ties in, right. She's. She's like.

Co-host 1 (18:19)

She's 11, by the way. Her name is Eleven. So there's your numerology. Yeah, she. She's a mind control sort of a victim. Well, really what she is, she's a victim of trauma that causes her to disassociate. She then uses that, that technique, by the way, disassociation by way of float tank sensory deprivation so that she can disassociate from her physical body and now enter sort of a psychic realm which goes into a lot of other supposed operations that are, you know, MK Ultra adjacent. But this, this idea of a shooter, this kind of falls into Project Monarch, doesn't it? Which is. Which is almost like a subdivision of MK Ultra, I think.

William Ramsey (19:02)

So they had. MK Ultra is just like another place you can stamp. Like this is where it started. Before that they had another guy running things. His name was Morse Allen. So in the 50s and they had different things. They had Artichoke Bluebird and some other ones. So before they did the 150 or 149 sub projects, there were other things going on. I think Monarch was one of those. So I think it pre. I think it was pre research before Monarch is the butterfly. Right?

Co-host 1 (19:32)

Right.

William Ramsey (19:32)

Before transformation, like metamorphosis. Right. That's the theme. I think it was before MK Ultra, but I have to check my notes. But it's right around that time for sure. Somebody in the note, in the notes mentioned Seven Days of May. I'm glad you did. This is a smart, smart bunch of people because.

Co-host 1 (19:49)

Shout out to Jenny. She is the gift that keeps on giving. One of our favorite people, but also knows her.

Co-host 2 (19:57)

We pay her to be here.

Co-host 1 (19:58)

That's right, we do.

William Ramsey (19:59)

Well, she's made an interesting comment because Frankenheimer, after he finished Manchurian Candidate, he made another movie called Seven Days in May. And he. This is another kind of politically important film because it involved jfk. It green got greenlit for it and they actually. JFK went back to Hyannisport so that Frankenheimer could shoot on the White House. And the theme of the story is a military takeover the U.S. so this movie, like Literally, that's what I mean. You have to see September. I mean, the death of JFK as a coup. And most people say, oh, the CIA did it. But there's tons of military guys around. Lansdale's on site, probably more than likely. Who's known as the ugly American, who's like involved in all kinds of nasty stuff. LeMay, who I mentioned earlier, who was like the hardest hard right winger. Willoughby, another guy who was involved in Japan. Like, these are really tough guys involved in like making decisions where thousands and thousands of people died. So like it's, it's not. Then this is kind of like ties into Operation Northwoods, all that other stuff. But Seven Days May is another example of fiction, in fact, kind of blending together, which is also something that happens in the MK Ultra thing where these fictional realities, these people get morphed into just kind of like you mentioned about stranger things and 11 and all that stuff. Yeah, they do a lot of numerology play. If you go back and watch the first episode of that, of that show, they do like 77s. They're playing around with that. Right. They're gardening. Hold on just a second.

Co-host 1 (21:42)

That's all right. I'll just say for the audience that, yeah, on, on Stranger Things, if you're watching Stranger Things, the first. I don't know, it's definitely the first season. They once Hopper, who's the kind of the, the police officer good guy character who's just try. He's the sheriff of his small town and he's figuring out there's something nefarious going on and these, you know, these kids are going missing. Hopper starts going through archives in the local library, finding out that the military was conducting experiments in the town. And he's like, have you ever heard of MK Ultra? So they're telling it to you, but it rides this line where it's like, it's, it's revealed through fiction, but then your brain files it away as fiction. I think that's maybe the point of, of.

Co-host 2 (22:29)

And that was the sleight of hand.

Co-host 1 (22:31)

Yeah, that's the sleight of hand. And I, I. So I guess they, they do the whole revelation of the method thing. Some people go, is it to free them of. Of karmic retribution? It could just be as simple as you're going to catch wind of this because, you know, secrets come out, but when you do, it'll resonate with the part of your brain that files things away under fiction.

William Ramsey (22:53)

Right. That lot. I think that Condon is. And these guys are kind of telling, we don't know how much JFK knew about these programs. I'm suspecting that because he was the President, he had access to some stuff. So maybe this was his means of disclosure of a kind of soft disclosure where. Let's get this book done so at least we can get these concepts out to the, to the public. Because it was all. This is all done through classification and secrecy. Like we're just coming to know now because of the Internet and really incredible Freedom of Information act type stuff that we know more details about that what they were up to. And they were up to no good. They were really bad. Like it was, it was really. The MK Ultra program wasn't some kind of like, oh, we're just going to set up a hospital. Colgate. Colgate. It was like the Manhattan Project. If you ever see, look at the Manhattan Project where they built a nuclear bomb. It was spread out and compartmentalized all over the country.

Co-host 1 (23:52)

Yeah.

William Ramsey (23:53)

So only the people at the top saw the entire project. So one guy would be working on one component in Arizona and another guy would be in Chicago. And that was what it was like for MK Ultra. They, and they infiltrated, they did very cleverly. Like this whole weaponization of pre existing organizations or entities where they would just build an additional thing at some pre existing hospital or, or college and then just call it like you know, ABC Wing or something. But it was all done through secret funds, secret cutouts from the CIA and all over the country. Stanford, Georgetown, McGill, these are main universities like Colgate. I think they had a satellite office in, in Manhattan where they were doing this stuff. I mean it's really incredible. And then infiltrating. Also like state hospitals and things like that. Yeah. Like you hear stories of like some of these guys are exposed to massive doses of things and like one of them, well known as Menlo park, the Veterans Administration, also Whitey Bulger. Like this guy who went on to kill like 20 people. Was that one of the last people at Alcatraz? He said he got blasted out of his brain on lsd.

Co-host 1 (25:11)

Yeah, man in the chat here says Midnight Climax. So Operation Midnight Climax where they're, they're taking John's from the whorehouse and they're dosing them with lsd. It's like the, the sort of, the, the, the flexibility of human psychology was discovered and, and it was discovered in such a way as its applications to all sorts of things. Not only the, the programmability to create, you know, whatever you want. A, a soldier or a shooter that creates an opportunity, but also this exploration of psychic phenomenon and certainly the exploration and application of remote viewing, which was no doubt something that they had an idea about, but then they figured out how to do and they, they did it through trauma, they did it through psychedelics, they did it through frequency, binaural beats, hemi syncing, things like that. They found a plethora of ways to alter the human mind in such a way. And it's like this massive field of study that gets no daylight shown on it whatsoever. In other words, it's an incredibly promising field that reaps all sorts of benefits and you find out that human beings are actually endlessly fascinating. There's no shortage of stories of the US government using or, or the FBI using remote viewers to achieve one thing or another. But it never sees the light of day. The, the exploration of psychic phenomenon within these intelligence agencies and these, and these, you know, these, these operations like MK Ultra and etc. Hugely promising. Or else they wouldn't be dumping all this funding into it and you wouldn't see the elements of it all throughout. You know, all the strange happenings around the world. It's, it's this. It's like they discovered something that changes our fundamental understanding of the human psyche. And they did not introduce that to the public whatsoever. Unless you take into consideration the telepathy tapes or some like that.

William Ramsey (27:14)

It's incredible. Like the amount of funds they spent was like 250 million in their like time. Like it's, it's a huge program and they, I mean some of the documents that came out like. You're surprised. I'm surprised they filtered out because I wouldn't have let them if I was Helms or those I would never send see the public. But how, how cunning and clever they were disguising their things and how they tried to bring in new doctors and actually kind of create this kind of snowballing effect. Like we can get more patients and more doctors and do this and attract more people into this, this field of study. For people who don't know, MK ULTRA was a research component. So it's not the operational side, it's just that this is how they were aggregating research in centralizing like central intelligence. Like the name is it. The, the other people who were down the, the kind of foot soldiers or the researchers didn't have the benefit of add all the aggregated information. So they only saw what they were doing at Georgetown or McGill or whatever. But there's, there's not a lot of evidence that it went up and Came back down, if that makes sense. But like. Yeah, it's just really incredible what was going on at that time. And there's a lot of.

Co-host 1 (28:30)

I'm sorry, I just. I wanted to say. And finish your thought, please. But I'd like to get into some of these clips because it's. It's fascinating. You know, on this show, we deal a lot with the idea of, you know, I don't know what better to call it, but it's like the whole revelation of the method thing and what you're describing, it doesn't even sound like they're the same way. Stranger Things. It's. It's a work of fiction, but it's exactly what was going on to a degree. I mean, I don't know about, you know, the Demigorgon and things like that, but, you know, it sounds like they've been. This is not something new. They've been doing this for a long time. When did this film come out again? Manchurian.

William Ramsey (29:07)

It was released in 62. So late 62.

Co-host 1 (29:11)

Wow.

William Ramsey (29:11)

And then it was taken off the market in after the assassination. And then seven days in May dropped. And Dr. Strangelove both dropped at the beginning of 1964. January 64. Geez. Those are all important. And they're overlapped. All these films overlap because Strange Love is like the crazy generals, you know, gunning like we can win a nuclear war type stuff. And it's. It's really. I mean, it's actually really present today because if you hear kind of JFK's famous kind of speech, peace speech, he's talking about it directly in conflict with the Russians in nuclear war. And here we are, the United States, trying to overthrow the Russian government, like in this fake war in Ukraine. I call it a pseudo proxy war. It's like that's what they're propagandizing the public. But without the U. S. Behind Europe and anything, none of that stuff would happen in. Trump is just bamboozling the public with his life. I mean, the suckers who believe him for when he's talking, but he's definitely allowing this to continue. So he's a warmonger and a liar.

Co-host 1 (30:21)

Yeah.

William Ramsey (30:22)

Sorry, guys. Sorry.

Co-host 1 (30:23)

No, no. I mean, yeah, that's.

William Ramsey (30:25)

I don't.

Co-host 1 (30:25)

I mean, that's seems to be the case. I've got no allegiance to Trump or anybody else.

William Ramsey (30:30)

That's why I think that all this stuff is relevant, like the history and the Seven Days of May and Maturian candidate to all these people that are these strange people that are shooting for whatever Reason they're compelled to. It's about personality change. Right. Or a big word is schismo, genesis, which is like literally creating a skitso or schizophrenia. All these guys were studying schizophrenia, too. And that's. And sometimes that. What they would do is, I think, like, for example, I think it was. They called Sirhan Sirhan schizophrenic. And that's a good cover because he's been.

Co-host 1 (31:07)

Yes, he's.

William Ramsey (31:08)

He is a test subject. He's like. He's like. There's something called the Stanford Suggestibility Scale on hypnosis, and people fall under it, and some people just cannot be hypnotized. Somebody could talk to me, and I'd just be like, what the hell are you doing? And then somebody else. Based upon certain things. Usually you're younger. Like, Sir Hanser Hands, 24, Chapman's 26, Oswald's 24. You're usually younger. There's no father figure. You've either had brain injury or something, or a lot of trauma. Like you mentioned trauma. If you have a lot of trauma in your life, you're. For some reason, that's like the. The groundwork for suggestibility.

Co-host 1 (31:51)

I think that the. The Gates program was also a selection process to find that in the general public, in the public school system, to find these kids, because the. The younger you can get them, then the.

William Ramsey (32:02)

The.

Co-host 1 (32:03)

You know, the more fruitful your labor is when you subject them to these. These different programs.

William Ramsey (32:08)

That's. That's like stranger things, too, right? Like, selection process. They literally happened at the CIA and a lot of the stuff Gettinger, who's One of the MKUltra doctors, who strangely ties into JFK and probably worked with Jolly west, the infamous Jolly West. He was big on these kind of personality tests, so a way to ask you questions, and that actually seeped into the public domain and into Scientology. One of the first things you do when you join Scientology is you take a personality test, which I would never do, and I'd be afraid to take it because it's like two or 300 questions. But then they could. Yeah, then they can parse your brain. Like, what's. Then they know your weaknesses. Right. So they know you're With. They're. You're giving them an out. Like.

Co-host 1 (32:55)

Well, they also do the auditing process, which is effectively like Catholic confessionals, you know, where they just. You just tell them all the terrible things that you've done, and then they keep it.

William Ramsey (33:03)

They keep it in a file. That's why nobody leaves. They've got all Your worst secret. I mean, Scientology is a whole nother show. But the tie over what'll scare you is the tie between a lot of this research in Scientology. It's.

Co-host 1 (33:18)

It is. It's all the study of the programmability and the suggestibility of. Of individuals. And. Yeah, hypnotism plays a huge role in it. You know, there's this idea that a lot of this stems from research that was being conducted in the. In the Nazi regime and that, you know, there was, I think. Was it him? No, it wasn't Himmler. Himmler was kind of the occult dude. There was a. What was the guy that was called? The Doctor of Death? Yeah, that Mengele was looking for several things. Oh, there you go.

William Ramsey (33:49)

I just got this book the other day. It's Nazi Germany, the Ca. And the dawn of the Psychedelic Age. And it's exactly the Russian. Yeah, it's really good.

Co-host 1 (33:57)

So, I mean. I mean, we. This is something we talk about often. We just never have any facts to back up our. Our schizophrenia. We have some facts, but.

Co-host 2 (34:05)

But I was gonna say the Scientology stuff is kind of fascinating because I was looking back into our episode with Izzy Griffin. We were talking about Sabrina Carpenter, who's a pop star now, but she is in Scientology. She is showing in her music videos these, like, hints, or not even hints anymore. They're like direct. Yeah, direct callbacks to MK Ultra. She also is possibly the Of Babylon. I mean, you name it with this lady. She is. She fits all categories.

Co-host 1 (34:40)

And she's constantly doing like, a. A pedophilia thing where she's presenting herself as a child and. And then she's got all this. All these nods to, like, you know, Lola or whatever. Loli. Yeah, she's doing that. Like, you know, there's. All of this stuff is. Is embedded in her music and the way that she presents it, it's. It is.

William Ramsey (35:01)

It's very strange.

Co-host 1 (35:02)

It's very strange.

William Ramsey (35:04)

In the book. Condon's book. It's not in the film, but in Condon's book, the mother is having sex with her dad. So she. It's an incestuous relationship, and it takes place in an attic. And if you go farther down the kind of road of like, studying mind control addicts and carousels, for some reason, there's something about the symbology of that that's in there. And he knew that. I think Condon even. Even knew that in 59. So some of this information must have stepped. It seeped out to him one way or another. He was in Hollywood and I think of Lady Gaga when you say that. She does a lot of that occult stuff too.

Co-host 1 (35:41)

Oh, yeah.

William Ramsey (35:42)

So maybe she's this woman you're talking about. Carpenter is the next iteration of that. But one of the scarier things about Scientology is the self hypnosis. Hypnosis, which you'll see with Sir Hands. Her Hand. He literally would self hypnotize himself. He was into the occult too, but Eve. I mean, it gets really dark. But even like the founder, L. Ron Hubbard, new hypnosis or induction, or getting into the deeper realms of the subconscious, he would hypnotize himself to be the most powerful person. So he was actually utilizing a smaller level. Guys do not mess around with hypnosis. But by the way, you can get real trouble. You can go to jail, you can get busted. You. This is very dicey stuff. So I. I mean, it's important to expose this because we're being exposed to kind of low level hypnosis when we turn on the tv.

Co-host 1 (36:36)

Yes, but. Yes.

William Ramsey (36:38)

Yeah, he would hypnotize. He did a subset Hubbard subset, which is called powerization. So he would powerize himself so that when he was at his higher kind of conscious self, he would think of himself as kind of like this super God. Also a cultist, Satanist, Love Crowley, all that stuff. Blood rituals. Ah. Just horrible stuff.

Co-host 1 (37:00)

There's. There's two, I think, driving.

William Ramsey (37:02)

So he did a thing. Cover. Did a thing called Soul. Soul cracking. Look up soul cracking. It's in my book Children of the Beast. It'll blow your mind. Like, what the hell?

Co-host 1 (37:11)

Soul cracking. That's something that we have to.

Co-host 2 (37:13)

We should have. I. I honestly kind of want to do a little bit of a deep dive on Scientology and L. Ron Hubbard since that Sam Tripley episode.

Co-host 1 (37:20)

Oh, Shout out to Jeremy Ryan Slate, who. Whom I love and I enjoy very much. But yeah, it does seem like, you know, you got some blind spots when you're in a thing and you're close to it. And, uh, he. He is. He's a Scientologist. Great guy. He just, uh, you know, he's doing a thing. I don't know. I don't know if he knows. I don't think he knows. Uh, Sam Tripley brought up a lot of the concepts to him, and he seemed. It seemed like it was news to him. So, you know, something that he's just never looked into. But these two most recent attacks, and you could even go three, but let's stick with the two.

William Ramsey (37:59)

The.

Co-host 1 (37:59)

The trans shooter, which I know we're gonna have to get off of YouTube and let me just make the playing field and then we'll kick the pores out. The trans shooter and then this. This black guy on a train that stabbed a Ukrainian woman. These are the two most fresh instances and they are riddled with strange happenings. I want to talk about those and I want to tell you what I find strange about them. But before we do patreon.com/now/ephilim death Squad. That's where this episode is going to live. Even if you watch this when it is released on YouTube it's gonna be highly censored. Obviously, given the content, you're going to want to check it out at Patreon or wait for it to drop on RSS or rumble otherwise later guys. So let's start with the one guy because it's really brief. The stabber. The stabber on the. Did you say shooter? Saying stabber sounds silly, but the stabber on the train. An article came out. I haven't had a chance to look at it but allegedly some of the elements within the article are. Are things like him claiming something was controlling him. He wasn't in control of his actions. He wasn't in control of even when he slept and woke and even as far as as saying when he ate. I don't know. I think top sluggard he might be able to find it but which admittedly is a. Is a really beneficial this kind of scapegoat to fall back on if you just stabbed a woman in the neck on the train. But I recognize as well that slasher is a good one. Thank you, Jeep. So here we go. This is from Deanne. Court documents say he told responding officers he believes someone gave him a man made material. That's a fascinating way of describing it. That controlled when he ate, walked and talked. If you scroll down, this is A. My Fox 8. We have the article up there. Maybe we'll. We'll share that later on. And then if you look at. Which I think is always a good idea, look at what agenda this serves. And I would say that we are being primed for a race war.

Co-host 2 (40:10)

I love when you say this.

Co-host 1 (40:11)

We are being primed.

Co-host 2 (40:13)

I think you're correct because they have been digging up. I mean it's not like they. The people who are upset about this and whether they're upset because they actually are upset or if they're.

Co-host 1 (40:23)

And it is upsetting.

Co-host 2 (40:24)

So it's upsetting when you see this. But it also happened two weeks ago.

Co-host 1 (40:27)

And now we're just getting wind of It.

Co-host 2 (40:30)

Yeah. Like, we. Well, I mean, they. They show it to us as if it's breaking news the day before a blood moon, but there's a lot of, like, weird stuff around that.

William Ramsey (40:38)

But.

Co-host 1 (40:38)

But then what happens? Elon Musk all of a sudden is now tweeting about black crime statistics. Yeah.

William Ramsey (40:44)

Yeah.

Co-host 1 (40:44)

And for those of you who are fans of the show, have been following our, you know, digging through this, it feels like Elon has had his fingers on the cultural scales for some time, and he used you top lobster to. To notice the Jews. And there's very much to notice there, and there's much to notice about black crime statistics. But this is what I feel is a controlled release of this information that has been suppressed, and the speech surrounding it has been suppressed for a long time. And now we've created a pressure cooker effect. And I know the audience is terribly exhausted of hearing that terminology come out of my mouth, but it's true. A pressure cooker effect was. Was created with all these racial topics and all these cultural topics that you couldn't talk about. And now Elon has come along and he's cracked the release valve, and we are. It's. It's, you know, it's a bit of a show. It's exploding. So that's one thing. The other thing is Trans Shooter comes along and is drawing themselves as a demon and is having this weird dialogue with themselves on video where it sounds like a back and forth forth between multiple personalities. They are trans, which I think really works to the disassociation aspect, because a lot of these shooters, as I know in your slides, William, you're preparing to show us, will have a totally different visage. They've dyed their hair a wonky color. It really helps to disassociate and allow that other personality to take over. Some people believe it's demonic possession. I kind of put myself in that school of thought. If the person that you look at in the mirror doesn't resemble you, and what does a better job at that than being trans and then, you know, switching genders? So there's so much here that lends itself to that. And then, of course, the agenda that that serves is this big contention. We're tired of the left. We're tired of the LGBTQ crap. Let's get some big, heavy weights in there to tip the scales in that direction. Thoughts?

William Ramsey (42:56)

Yeah, it's. It's pretty crazy that it's happened. I think that it's also after this, you know, the Biden administration too. So I think that these things are happening in the environment of Trump. But I think that they've been priming a race war for a long time. I think that there's also, I mean you get such a different view of reality to depending upon where you drink from your media. Well, you know, so like if you're on X or Twitter or something, podcasts, you're getting a different view than you're on mainstream media or newspapers or legacy stuff. So I think that that's a big tell is like, even though like now it's like anti people from India too. It's huge. Like whoa, H1B visas and truck drivers are dangerous. But the reality is, is that it's true. They are dangerous. They don't speak English beyond like a 12 ton truck. Like that's crazy. So who, whoever allowed that was corrupt. Well, there's a lot.

Co-host 1 (43:57)

Isn'T it? Not like it is true. And it's also a, a fantastic point to, to subvert and steer the culture. Right. So it's like the best thing that you can steer the culture with is, is true things. But you just say we can't talk about them at first because if we could have talked about them long ago, they would have never gotten to this point.

Co-host 2 (44:16)

I mean you can happen artificially as well. And then you go, oh, whoa. Crazy, huh?

William Ramsey (44:23)

So yeah, I think that, I think that there's always people priming the culture. Whatever way it is, you know, whatever way whoever's in power, I guess I think that's inevitable. So I think that those, those really are things that are happening. But I do think like the H1B thing is just complete fraud and people are getting kickbacks and riffs and graphs and these jobs. Somebody works a hundred thousand job dollar job to give money back to somebody else who gave him the job. So that's how it works, you know. So then they're angling people out like my daughter's generation. They can't find jobs. They really can't find an actual corporate job like a normal person would go work for, you know, accounting firm or something. You just can't get them if you're white. So I think their frustration is way worse than anything I experienced because they're being angled out by fraud and Grafton graft and all kinds of corruption. It's kind of not.

Co-host 2 (45:16)

Yeah, obvious fraud and obvious grift and, and I mean Elon Musk again has his fingers in this. I don't know if you guys remember the crash out of Chris last year. That's right, because he's he's a big H1B guy because that's, I guess that's who he's hiring. And at the time, people were kind of like, hey, this looks like dude. And he's like, oh, you're just lazy bums. And yeah, he freaked out on him. And it's like, is this to like stir the pot a little bit more?

Co-host 1 (45:43)

And then the, and then the Tesla truck, the cyber, cyber truck blew up in front of Trump Towers. And you had this, it was this, you know, very strange psyop season. And then you have the whole white erasure thing, which is, is real, but it's like, it's an orchestrated thing, right? You have, you leverage a public into voting for a poorest southern border. You manipulate them emotionally so that you can pass legislation to allow that sort of thing to happen. And now in conjunction with this, the natural migration of people that's been taking place for the last like 20 years, you go to a place like, you know, I was just in New Jersey over the weekend in New York, and it is all black and Indian people. All black and Indian people even. And not saying like, I'm, I'm spending time in the ghetto and it's, and I'm spending time in areas that have money. You know, they're, they're normal middle class suburban areas still all Indian people. So there is this like massive, in these high population centers, a push out of white people. I barely saw any. So there's a replacement thing. There's, it's happening.

William Ramsey (46:47)

There's no question. I was at Costco in Marina Del Rey in la, and there's no white people and just hordes of non European people. Like, where are you coming from? How are you working? What's going on? What happened? It's happened to me in one generation. Yeah, they didn't speak English. And the culture and the dynamics are totally different. It's, they're just, they're just different people. I think it, so I think that it's really not racism. The culture is going to be really crazy. You're going to see a lot more like accidents, rapes, trash.

Narrator/Clip Voice (47:25)

Yeah.

William Ramsey (47:26)

Mentality is different. A lot of people scams. I mean that the culture is completely different. That's what you should really be worried about. It's not even the race. It's like, what culture are you bringing in?

Co-host 1 (47:37)

Like, that's true. Don't you think it's true, William, that if, if there was a group that, you know, sought to subvert and overthrow America, have some radical regime change, Any number of, of things that, that would be much easier to accomplish if there was no cultural cohesion among the civilians.

William Ramsey (47:55)

100. The other thing is that a lot of these cultural, these third world people, a lot of them who've come into power or whatever, they're looting the country blind. Like here in California, there's hundreds of billions of dollars missing and the place looks like a third world dump. So where's that money? Why isn't anybody prosecuting somebody and where'd the money go? Like we, I don't even know where the rule of law is anymore. Like they're obviously stealing money. There was a huge rail project that goes through the center of California that has like one bridge in Manteca and $85 billion is missing. This is a simple fraud. This isn't like, like an 8 year old could figure out. Well, you know, I had piggy bank. I had like, you know, 25 quarters there and now I have one quarter. Where's the other 24 quarters? Like, this isn't complex. So you have to wonder what the heck's going on. And this is just. They just found out in Michigan there was a 5 billion dollar fraud through 4,000 fake jobs that didn't even exist. Like imagine if those were real jobs and actually somebody was doing something for the people. Like, you cannot hate the current government of America enough. You cannot hate it enough. You're either, it's either. There's no middle ground. You either you either ate it with the fury of a dwarf star or you're stupid. Like, you're not paying attention. Like, what are you doing? Because that whole world, oh yeah, people out, the Indian, the people from India are going to give other Indians jobs and grift off of that. And then it's basically like a doubling process, right? Like, yeah.

Co-host 1 (49:37)

And when you start having all these remote jobs, it becomes much easier to, to hide jobs too. You know what I mean? You have a bunch of fake jobs because everybody's working remotely.

William Ramsey (49:45)

Yeah. So good luck everybody. It's going to be a rough road from here on out.

Co-host 2 (49:48)

Yeah, well, start a podcast.

William Ramsey (49:52)

You got to do something else because you can't find a regular job in corporate America. And a lot of those, I mean a lot of those are just mommy daycare. Like they don't even do anything at these corporate jobs. Like that's what, that's what Elon found out at Twitter. Like, like 80 of his people were just rifting off the company, not doing squat. Like they would actually record videos of them not doing anything. Like, okay, I'm taking a break for coffee and then I'm going upstairs, then I'm going to work out, and then I go to bed, and then I get some beer and like, whoa.

Co-host 1 (50:21)

So that's how it goes. It's, you know, you said it's. It's not like. It's hard to say. See, but the problem is all of the little machinations that are involved in this, I guess, you know, this destruction of America there, it's spread all across every possible industry. Like, everything that you could think of.

William Ramsey (50:42)

It's.

Co-host 1 (50:43)

It's huge.

Co-host 2 (50:44)

Well, I think the problem that we're running into here is that it's not hard.

William Ramsey (50:47)

It's.

Co-host 2 (50:47)

It's quite obvious the people who don't see it don't want to see it. But with events like this that we're talking about, it's like, you know, look at it. And people are now forced to like, oh, my God, this, you know, this girl got stabbed full force in the neck.

Co-host 1 (51:03)

So they released more video of it. And it's so bizarre, man. Like, I'm just gonna say what I see. So the guy, you know, looks like he hits her in the neck and she reels back and looks at him and she, like, grabs her kind of chest a little bit. I don't really see blood. Maybe there's some blood in the video. I don't know. It doesn't look to me like she's been. Been stabbed. I'm not saying that she wasn't stabbed, but she is very upset. She looks sad and scared. And the guy just walks away. And everybody on the train, who, by the way, everybody is black, she's the only white person. They. Nobody helps her whatsoever. Some of them get up and leave. And the video is about 12 seconds long. So it's like they keep giving us a little chunk at a time, and each time they give us a new chunk, the story gets worse. And all it does is fuel the race war thing even more. Which, you know, as I already said, has a ton of validity. Because when Elon Musk says, look at the crime statistics, he is citing, you know, real crime statistics. But it's like, I don't know, man. Like, show us the full video before and after. Because with each moment that they give us, it just becomes more confusing and it really lends itself to. To much more of this. This race war thing. But I think that's where all of this is going. I think we are in a controlled pendulum swing, and where this pendulum was going to naturally swing back to more conservative Republican ideologies, cultural ideologies that are more conservative. It is now it's got a, it's got a SpaceX rocket strapped to the pendulum and it's getting shot, shot in the other direction now. And it's going to swing back so hard that, you know, we, we likely are going to get some sort of, you know, you know, race war. Okay. There, I said it.

William Ramsey (52:53)

You're just gonna get more and more people like Nick Fuentes. That's why he's taking off. Because people are noticing something's wrong. The civilization's gone down. There's no question. Like I grew up in San Francisco and it turned into like a fourth world crap hole under, you know, in one generation. It's a beautiful city. It has so much natural beauty and it's wealthy and the mismanagement and corruption just destroyed it. It's kind of coming back. It was really weird. I was up there last week and I was driving around, I could find a parking spot anywhere. So no tourists are going there. It used to be a tourist town. Like people would actually fly here there from like Europe or somewhere and hang out or China and there's no tourists anymore or just one or two here and there because the reputation has preceded itself. But it was really, it's almost surreal as somebody who, like you would drive around for 30 minutes looking for a parking spot.

Co-host 1 (53:47)

Yeah.

William Ramsey (53:48)

Actually took a parking spot farther away from where I was going because I thought, oh well, we just have to take this. And then I walked where I was going and saw like 10 more parking spots. I was like, like this is surreal. Like they've ruined these cities and maybe it'll hollow out. That'll be the good thing. But people have to get back to like, what civilization do you want? What culture do you want? Because this civilization's the theft civilization, graft and greed and people just robbing the people who are putting money in for their children. That's their like legacy and heritage and giving it away to somebody, stealing everything like that should be the most infuriating. And a lot of these boomers, they don't even care. Boomers are like the worst.

Co-host 1 (54:30)

Yeah, they're good. We're in Florida, we have, we're surrounded by them. They're just living in paradise.

William Ramsey (54:36)

They don't even understand anything that's wrong with their kids. That's how easy they had it. Free loans, no 30 year mortgage, good paying jobs. The money was real. No Griffs and graphs out of the government. Like you could keep more of Your taxes. So, I mean, be afraid. You should be afraid because these people are freaking thieves, man. The. The Biden administration, they stole hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions, and offshored it so it didn't even come back into the American government. Like, it's just incredible that Trump let it get away. And these losers like Bondi, the whole administration, just a bunch of freaking warmongering losers. They could have arrested, like, fifty thousand, a hundred thousand people. They had if they were smart. They're not smart. They should have hired, like, 50, 000 lawyers to bust these people for all the theft and put them in jail forever. They're just tolerant of evil. You have. You can't hate the government enough. The current government's trash. The system that we have is trash.

Co-host 1 (55:36)

Well, it turns out evil, especially lately, has been super profitable. I know. You bought.

William Ramsey (55:41)

It creates more evil, so everybody has to be more evil.

Co-host 1 (55:45)

There you go. Which one do you want to jump to? William, do you want to go to the clips or would you rather go to the slides?

William Ramsey (55:53)

I think that. I think we can go through the clips. I think the clips are good because. Or the. Yeah, the film, because you can. We can kind of stop and start.

Co-host 2 (56:04)

Sorry, let's pause that.

William Ramsey (56:05)

Do you have the. Do you have the audio? Can you hear the audio? Because I can't.

Co-host 1 (56:09)

Yeah, we can hear the war. So this is. This is the Manchurian. This is the film that came out in the 60s. And. And this is the one where really, it does a great job of just kind of highlighting the things that we're being subjected to right now. Oh, two more weeks for the Epstein files. Thank you, Atma. Atma's bringing us updates. Everybody just stay. Stay calm. Patriots are in control.

William Ramsey (56:32)

Yeah, really Mago Q. All right, let's wait for the next few drop guys. It's not. It's not a psyop. No, just wait for that. Real. Real Q drops. It's probably run partially by Bannon, who's on, like, according to Elon Musk is on the Epstein list. Like, one of the things to give away the Epstein list is that Elon Musk has named, like, three people who are on their Trump, Bannon and the guy from LinkedIn. That's the guy who started Salesforce. I forgot his name, but he's the CEO. But, like, they've never sued. They've never sued Elon. Yeah, so, like, the fact that they're not suing is. Is very telling. Anyway, this movie is so important. It has all the Illuminati Numbers. This is like the stand. This is the standard kind of like schizo wall of the time, right? So like today you'll see the people who are like trying to make connections with you know, pitch pins and. And string. But this is it. So he's reading all these books, he's trying to figure stuff.

Narrator/Clip Voice (57:40)

Marco had been reassigned to army Enemies.

William Ramsey (57:42)

Of the State, Washington. So he's like a schizo. Here it is at 3:11, right? This is where he has his dream. Like this is all.

Narrator/Clip Voice (57:49)

It was a pleasant assignment except for one thing. Night after night, the Major was plagued by the same reoccurring.

William Ramsey (57:58)

Thank you, Jenny. Reid Hoffman. Yeah.

Narrator/Clip Voice (58:19)

Step in step, step in step.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (58:27)

Another modern discovery which we owe to the hydrangea concerns the influence of air drainage upon plant climate. Many years ago when I was traveling about the country, I noticed magnificent hydrangeas on the hills where the air drainage was perfect. And very poor specimens, or perhaps none at all, in the valleys. Formerly we used to consider sheltered valleys more favorable to plants than hilltops. But the avoidance of late spring and early autumn frost.

William Ramsey (59:02)

This is top tier editing, just like Ello said. It's also 360 pan. This is like one of the most clever sequences in film history, in my opinion.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (59:10)

Joined by sights with good air drainage, where the cold air can drain safely away to lower levels gives the hills a decided advantage. Thus it was the hydrangeas that gave the first pointer in another modern discovery of horticultural importance. From this it might appear that the hydrangea is a fairly simple plant. But there are more complications. The cultivation of hydrangeas was evolved from a number of varieties originally found in Japan, not all of which of course have the same characteristics. Two of them do not share the quality of producing blue flowers in mineral rich soils.

William Ramsey (60:00)

So this is them behind enemy lines. This is Dr. Yen Lord and he's kind of like this avatar of all the studies they've done about mind control. He starts listing off all these studies and things like that. And this is a direct quotes from the book. Actually, it's pretty something else.

Narrator/Clip Voice (60:17)

Allow me to introduce our American visitors. I must ask you to forgive their somewhat lackadaisical manners, but I have conditioned them or brainwashed them, which I understand is the new American word, to believe that they are waiting out a storm in the lobby of a small hotel in New Jersey where a meeting of the ladies garden club is in progress.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (60:39)

You will notice that I have told them they may smoke. I've allowed my people to have a little fun in the selection of bizarre Tobacco substitutes. Are you enjoying your cigarette? Cigarette?

Narrator/Clip Voice (60:56)

Yes, ma'. Am. Yak dung. Oh. Tastes good. Like a cigarette should.

William Ramsey (61:04)

So he's making him smoke yak? Basically.

Co-host 1 (61:08)

Oh, wow.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (61:09)

Now then, comrades, may I present the famous Raymond Shaw.

Narrator/Clip Voice (61:14)

Young man, you've flown 8,000 miles to this dreary spot in Manchuria to see. Raymond, pull your chair over here by me, please.

William Ramsey (61:24)

So this is the Manchurian Candidate? This is him. This is the gonna be the kind of like assassin patsy figure that they're setting up with a fake legend. Like they're sheep dipping him, basically.

Narrator/Clip Voice (61:38)

I am sure you've all heard the old wives tale that no hypnotized subject may be forced to do that which is regardless repellent to his moral nature.

William Ramsey (61:48)

That's very important. They go right into it. The whole thing about hypnotization. Can you make somebody do something whether they're consciously aware or it's against their moral nature? He literally said it's an old wives tale. Oh, sorry. Let's go back.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (62:07)

Find your cigarette.

Narrator/Clip Voice (62:09)

Oh, you. Note takers might set down a reminder to consult Brenman's paper Experiments in the Hypnotic Production of Antisocial and Self Injurious behavior. Or Wells 1941 paper which was titled, I believe, Experiments in the Hypnotic Production of Crime.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (62:28)

Or of course, Andrew Salter's remarkable book, Conditioned Reflex Therapy.

William Ramsey (62:33)

So these are like not real papers, but these papers of like the. The whole investigation into hypnotism is real. That's really real. And they're the main guy who's friends with Sinatra, who was a consultant on this film. His name is Dr. William Joseph Bryant Jr. Have you ever heard of his name? No. Okay, that's very. We'll get there.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (62:54)

It's important to name only three. Or if it offends you that only the west is working to manufacture more.

Narrator/Clip Voice (63:02)

Crime and that better criminals against the modern shortages. I suggest Krasnogorsky's Primary Violence Motivation. Or Serav's the Unilateral Suggestion to Self Destruction. My dear Yan, as you grow older, you grow more long winded. Can't we get to the point? Has the man ever killed anyone or has he not?

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (63:27)

I apologize, my dear Dimitri. I keep forgetting that you're a young country and your attention span is limited. Tell me, Raymond, have you ever killed anyone?

Narrator/Clip Voice (63:40)

No, ma'.

William Ramsey (63:41)

Am.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (63:41)

Not even in combat?

William Ramsey (63:45)

In combat?

Narrator/Clip Voice (63:48)

Yes, ma'. Am.

William Ramsey (63:48)

I think so.

Narrator/Clip Voice (63:50)

Of course you have, Raymond. Raymond has been a crack shot since childhood.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (63:54)

Marvelous outlet for his aggressions. May I have the bayonet, please?

Narrator/Clip Voice (63:59)

Not with the knife.

William Ramsey (64:00)

Brilliant. With the hands. Yeah, yeah.

Co-host 1 (64:03)

It's, it's interesting because I feel like a lot of these concepts would have gone over the head of the general public in, in the 60s and certainly still today, these concepts would go over the head of the average person. So it's like the entertainment value is almost, I mean, I guess in the production and the sequences and everything and the way it's shot like it is. It's very well done, but without the context of years and years of what's.

Co-host 2 (64:31)

Being presented as entertainment. This, which is crazy.

Co-host 1 (64:34)

Yeah.

Co-host 2 (64:35)

So, yeah, like, like we were talking about before. It's the double entendre of the people absorbing this as like, oh, yes, this is the base level of this new type of story, when in reality is.

Co-host 1 (64:46)

Like it is reality.

Co-host 2 (64:47)

We're just reading you the white paper.

William Ramsey (64:49)

Right. Condon has distilled the information at the time and put it into this, which made it into the film. It's really crazy. Like he knew a lot of stuff. He knew the, like a cold aspect. So the imp, the implication of all this numerology is that this is kind of like a new form of magic. Right? This whole thing of mind control and stuff or hypnotism, which has really been around. It didn't. If you know the word Mesmer, Mesmerized is from a guy in the 19th century, his name was Mesmer, who did this stuff. It was studied all through the 19th century. They knew that it was around. Just wasn't like something happened after World War II where these guys, they corporatized everything and turned it into like this technical, scientific, academic work, which was really.

Co-host 1 (65:37)

I think it had, it had a lot to do with Operation Paperclip and, and bringing these, these scientists over and some of them that work directly with, you know, this sort of programmability of individuals and, and then it, you watch it bleed out immediately into entertainment, which becomes a wing probably birthed from the same, same scientists of the propaganda machine. The same propaganda machine that, that seeks to, I guess, sort of MK Ultra you. Because if you just follow it and see what it looks like scaled up, it looks like what we're subjected to today, which is what we were talking about, William, before the show started, of free range MK Ultra victims. It's like this is clearly a viable way to, you know, cause whatever it is, disassociation, split personality, schizophrenia, you name it. Can we do this at scale? And we certainly have. So I, I, I think according to what we've looked into, it comes out of World War II, specifically Operation Paperclip. And that's when the party really begins.

William Ramsey (66:44)

It goes back like these guys were doing crazy tests in the 30s. And you, in these new documents, this new MK Ultra, it's called Janny. What's the name of it? It's the title for people can check it out. It's Tanny J. Tanny versus Royal Victoria Hospital, McGill University. And the Attorney General of Canada and the AG Bondi of the U.S. so they put a lot of people in there. But in these documents you and Cameron was doing mad scientist stuff in the 30s. Yeah. And the other person you need to look up, who for some strange reason Dave McGowan keyed into in his book Program to Kill. But a very important figure in all this is a guy by the name of Esther Brooks. And he was doing stuff like this in the 30s. So it's pre World War II, but they were all interested. And actually, well, it's a whole nother topic, but it goes back into other civilizations and other people. They induce hypnosis. Hypnosis. They didn't have the terminology we have today. But if you look at the Hashashin, the original assassins, they would take them and put them into kind of a paradise, this kind of square and cold and enclosure and give them some kind of sensory overload and involve women and hash. Right. That's how it got its name, Hashashin. And then they. He kind of like trained them and it's kind of like a. An ancient view of mind control. And then he would send the assassins out and kill people. That took place in Persia. And some of these other.

Co-host 1 (68:18)

Look at the. The Vikings, they had berserker rituals where they were doing mushrooms. So you have your psychedelic. And they were summoning into their warriors berserker spirits. And it would make them like pretty much, you know, undefeatable in physical combat. And these, these warriors were rumored to sustain like mortal wounds and just keep going and have the strength of several men. And there was even that really weird situation that happened in California, I think it was in the 80s or 90s where they had bank robbers. And when the police apprehended the bank robbers in a parking deck, they got into a shootout with them and these guys were just eating bullets and still coming forward. Eventually they did die, but it gave rise to this idea that they were on angel dust pcp. But police officers who were investigating the entire thing said that they never. The toxicology reports came back negative and that the only strange thing they found was in the apartments of the bank robbers. The shooters was a altar to basically like Odin and. And this whole thing for ritual, you know, berserker. I forget exactly how he worded it, but he was like, yeah, they were like doing old Norse berserker rituals and so. But that wasn't what the public got. The public got like, likely it was PCP or angel dust. So, yeah, there's. There's always been this. It's. It's, you know, it's incredibly old, this.

William Ramsey (69:53)

Idea, these techniques and stuff. There were things like that in ancient Greece. They're the rights of Eleusis. There are like these women who would get drugged out and go around. There's all kinds of like strange things they were doing. Even kind of going into a temple or a church is a means of like sensory deprivation, right? Because if you go into church, it's quiet, right? So then when you pray or you're thinking, there's no distractions, right? So it's like you're doing it voluntarily, though. And that's how you reach the deeper elements of your own personality and conscious by willingly go into a church and doing it. The scariest part is these guys are. Are taking over your own will. Right? That's the whole.

Co-host 1 (70:38)

Yeah, I think that the. The Nazis were likely at the cutting edge of it and they were the most modern version before, you know, we started doing this here in the United States. But Hitler and Himmler, they all had this like, obsession with the old Germanic gods and. And sort of that idea of, you know, whatever the early Germanic peoples were into and, you know, runes and, you know, this sort of Norse mythology thing was. Was something that they were also looking for relics. And. And so I think that they ended up kind of what would you. Combining technology and science with those old occult practices. And it's like Sam Tripoli always says, hardwired mysticism. I think that was the big difference was the technology aspect of it. You know, it was like where previously it was happening under the influence of drugs with like chance and mantras and meditation. Now you could induce this with frequency technology. You can study these individuals in a laboratory setting when you. When you give them a highly refined, potent version of a psychedelic in lsd, you know, so once you got the scientific. Once you got the lab involved with the mysticism, that's where really, really went crazy.

William Ramsey (71:55)

You're right. Hitler was a hypnotist at a seance. He knew hypnotism. It's not even arguable. It's not arguable. If you hear some of his Speeches, too. He would. He would in. It's kind of an induction process. You can hear some of his speeches where, like, he will walk into the room, it's totally silent, and he'll sit there and wait. He plays with his pen. He coughs a little bit. He's getting everybody into that suggestible state. He's doing it intentionally. Ladies and gentlemen, today, I've come to talk with you. We're really here now. And then he starts screaming like that. And it's like, you know what he's doing? If you know hypnotism, you know what he's doing? He's.

Co-host 1 (72:42)

And there's different versions of that, right? Obama.

William Ramsey (72:44)

No, the. Over and over again. He doesn't, but other. Other speech people do as well. So, yeah, he's like screaming and sweating and he's trying to drive his ideas into all of his listeners as best. So it's. It's a technique. So, yeah, you're right. But there's another show. I mean, there's another show on this. There's a guy named Hanuson Hannison from the 30s who Hitler was associated, who was mysteriously died. And he's. It's. You wouldn't believe this stuff. Like, Crowley knew it too. Crowley knew this kind of like, induction techniques. And Hitler, Hitler knew one of his friends. That's just like he. Hitler was an occultist. He knew. He was exposed to all that ancient German stuff you talk about through the Thule Society and all that things. But also he knew the kind of secret techniques, and I think he had the will to use it. And there's even arguments that when he was in the insane asylum after World War I, where he came out with like, this mission to save Germany, that he was exposed to hypnotism.

Co-host 1 (73:52)

That's interesting. I've heard. I don't know how true it is, but within the Gates program, they were looking for heterochromia. And the Mengele was also fascinated with heterochromia and twins and this like, psychic connection. And. And there's an idea that people with heterochromia, like those two different color eyes, can. Can't be hypnotized for whatever reason. And. And so the Gates program was fascinated by. By what mechanisms. But, you know, it's like it's also obfuscated. It's. It's just kind of rumored, driven. I mean, you have documents that come out to the Freedom of Information act, but I've never seen anything hard on heterochromia. But it is an element that continually pops up what we were listening to recently where the guy, his brother was demonically possessed. That's right. And. And this individual who's whose brother became possessed after a psychedelic influenced ritual. And then. And he. And he kind of briefly mentions. He's like my brother had two different color eyes and it went over the. The head of the interviewer. But you know, Aria's perked up like. Oh, there it is again. It. It shows itself pretty, pretty consistent. It's just one of those patterns that emerges and it's hard to place it.

William Ramsey (75:12)

It's interesting. It's interesting.

Co-host 1 (75:15)

All right, let's get that transfer.

William Ramsey (75:16)

The transformation is very important. Yeah.

Narrator/Clip Voice (75:23)

Raymond, whom do you dislike the least in your group here today? The least? That's right. Well, I guess Captain Marco, ma'.

Co-host 1 (75:34)

Am.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (75:35)

You notice how he is always drawn to authority. That won't do, Raymond. We need the Captain to get you your medal. Who knows?

Narrator/Clip Voice (75:45)

Well, I guess Ed Mervoli, ma'. Am. Ah, that's better. Now then, Raymond, take this scarf and strangle Ed Moli to death. Excuse me. All right.

William Ramsey (76:19)

Hey, Sarge, cut it up.

Narrator/Clip Voice (76:20)

Quiet Ed, please. Now you just sit there quietly and cooperate. Yes, ma'. Am.

William Ramsey (76:39)

So he thinks he's having a dream, right?

Narrator/Clip Voice (76:41)

Knowledge have any other ex member members of your patrol?

William Ramsey (76:43)

This is an interesting sequence because if you look at this, kind of take a step back, he's literally at the top of a triangle with the world behind him, right? So it's like.

Co-host 1 (76:54)

That's interesting. Yeah, they. They were nailing the symbolism back in the day, huh?

William Ramsey (76:58)

Yeah, they were.

Narrator/Clip Voice (76:59)

Really work similar dreams? No, sir, not to my knowledge. Doesn't strike anyone as curious that Volvoli was one of the two men lost in the action. Yet every night in my dream, he's the. He's the one that. Raymond. I'm sorry, gentlemen. Now look, Major Marco, since you first brought this recurring dream of yours to our attention. Raymond Shaw, his life, his background, his. His friends and associates have been under scrupulous examination. Now the facts speak for themselves. His stepfather is a United States senator. His mother is head of 15 different patriotic organizations. Raymond Shaw himself is employed as confidential assistant to Holborn Gaines, the most respected political journalist in America. Now, it's inconceivable, Major, than anything major as the consulting psychiatrist President, I'd be most interested in hearing your personal feelings about show.

William Ramsey (78:00)

See, it's interesting. They have these psychiatrists. This is the people who are driving MK Ultras. All these doctors, they're all over the place. There's just so many. And so this film reflects that. This kind of higher level academic thinking. This is an example of post hypnotic suggestion right here. And they don't. They don't overtly tell you in the film or the book, but all of these guys have learned the same phrase about Shaw. Which is complete nonsense.

Narrator/Clip Voice (78:27)

Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life. I see. And this opinion, Major, was it generally held? His fellow soldiers, did they feel the same way toward him? The men loved him, sir. Why shouldn't they? He saved their lives. But it would seem obvious to me Major Marco was suffering a delayed reaction to 18 months of continuous combat in Korea. I would strongly recommend that the matter of Raymond Shaw be dropped here and now. That Major Marco be temporarily reassigned to less strenuous and if I may say so, less sensitive duties. I think a few months of detached service to overwhelming.

William Ramsey (79:15)

So this guy, he sees the same thing. Go back here.

Narrator/Clip Voice (79:40)

Very good, Raymond. Thank you, ma'. Am.

William Ramsey (79:44)

Captain Marco, was she always black?

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (79:47)

On your feet, Captain, please.

Narrator/Clip Voice (79:49)

Sorry, ma'. Am. Captain, when you are returned with your patrol to Korea. And you make your way to command headquarters, what will be the first duty you will undertake? I will make my report on the patrol, ma'. Am. What will you report? Our recommenders that Raymond Shaw be posted for the Medal of Honor. He saved our lives and took out a complete company of Chinese infantry.

William Ramsey (80:17)

A complete company?

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (80:18)

What the hell is this?

Narrator/Clip Voice (80:19)

We can spare an imaginary company of infantry for his particular plan. Mikhail. Mikhailich. All right. If we are out to humiliate our brave Chinese ally in the newspapers of the world, we might as well make it a full.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (80:35)

But we don't object, comrade. I assure you of that.

Narrator/Clip Voice (80:40)

Over. Comrade. We thank you for thinking of the matter in that light. If we may proceed with the demonstration. Raymond, who is that little fellow sitting next to the captain?

William Ramsey (81:00)

That's Bobby Lembeck. Our mascot, I guess you'd call him.

Narrator/Clip Voice (81:05)

Doesn't look old enough to be in your army. I guess he isn't, but there he is, ma'. Am. Captain Marco, will you be good enough to lend Raymond your pistol, please? Yes, ma'. Am.

Co-host 2 (81:18)

So crazy.

Co-host 1 (81:19)

It's honestly really good, though.

William Ramsey (81:20)

You guys have never seen this? No, no, you gotta watch the whole movie.

Narrator/Clip Voice (81:27)

Shoot Bobby, Raymond through the forehead.

William Ramsey (81:31)

Yes, ma'. Am. Watch the. The. The implication is he's shooting the audience, right? Wake up. Wake up.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (81:47)

Wake up. Wake up. It's all right. It's all right. It's all right.

Co-host 1 (81:51)

Did he just wake up. Black.

William Ramsey (81:53)

All right, that was a different new guy. Different guy who was. Who's the other guy who's part. Yeah, he's in the battalion. Oh, he's right. Where is he? There. He's at the far end. Right there. Oh, you're seeing it. You're seeing this part of the dream is him, but yeah.

Co-host 1 (82:11)

Multiple people having this.

William Ramsey (82:13)

That's why there's the. That's why there's black women there. So it's his version of the same event. Oh.

Co-host 1 (82:19)

Oh, I understand. Damn. That's an excellent plot device.

William Ramsey (82:23)

Very clever. Dude, you gotta watch you. I've watched this like 20 times. It just. Mind blowing. Really good.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (82:34)

Wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up. It's all right. It's all right. It's all right.

William Ramsey (82:40)

All right. It's all right.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (82:42)

It's the same dream again.

William Ramsey (82:46)

Oh.

Narrator/Clip Voice (82:48)

What.

William Ramsey (82:49)

What makes it so awful is to keep dreaming a thing like that about Sergeant Shaw.

Narrator/Clip Voice (82:56)

It's been going on for weeks now.

Co-host 1 (82:59)

I must be going crazy.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (83:01)

What you ought to do is to write to Sergeant Shaw.

William Ramsey (83:03)

I tell you, nothing's wrong with me.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (83:04)

Write to him and see if anyone else is having dreams like yours.

Co-host 1 (83:08)

Yes, yes, maybe. Maybe I will.

William Ramsey (83:12)

Yeah, maybe I'll do that. If anybody can help me, he can.

Narrator/Clip Voice 2 (83:19)

You like him a lot, don't you?

Narrator/Clip Voice (83:22)

Raymond Shaw is the bravest, kindest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

William Ramsey (83:26)

All right, so he's been exposed to the same post hypnotic suggestion. This queen is the trigger, right? So the queen of diamonds. And the reason they've set up the queen of diamonds as the trigger for Raymond Shaw is because he really loathes his mother. So this is what the. These hypnotists made as the. As the. The sign. Because it's related in his brain to something he doesn't like already.

Co-host 1 (83:54)

By the way, though, this is something that I feel like sort of the Mockingbird media will use where you have a tagline that's associated with a tragedy, and they'll repeat it over and over and over again. Like, I know with Trayvon Martin there was like a particular, you know, line that they kept saying, I. I forgot what it was. It might have been like him being a scholar or, or something like that, but it's always speaking to the character of the victim. And it is one that everybody becomes pretty comfortable with because it's been repeated so much throughout every piece of media that goes along with the event. I don't know, it just feels safe and effective. Oh, that's A great one. There you go. Safe and effective is a great one. So, you know, this is what I'm talking about. When, when what elements are there to create this disassociative candidate? Well, there's the, the psychedelics. And we all have that constantly because marijuana has been legalized and, and they've made it THC heavy, which is the psychedelic component of marijuana. The trauma which happens willingly through the mockingbird media to us constantly on our, on our phones that we keep on us at all times. So we're always, you know, jamming this, this trauma based mind control in our own faces. I think it's really, it really has scaled up and it is to the point where it's happening on a, to the masses regularly. And that we're, we're doing it to ourselves. And then, yeah, they give us our, our, our taglines. Hands up, don't shoot. There we go. J.K. raimi.

William Ramsey (85:33)

Right.

Co-host 1 (85:33)

And it's a, it's a Black Lives Matter does the same thing. Yep. It's an emotionally charged thing. Like Hands up, don't shoot is fear based because you imagine what that is. That moment there you've got your hands up and you're saying, don't shoot. Like you're scared for your life. Yeah. They do it to us at scale.

William Ramsey (85:52)

Now I just reposted Aldous Huxley's famous speech called the Ultimate Revolution, which is through psychotropic drugs and mind control. You don't have to control people. You don't have to use force and we're there. Or the ultimate revolution's already passed and some of the stuff is in this film. But yeah, they're definitely. I mean, yeah. I don't know why anybody watch T. Watches tv?

Co-host 1 (86:19)

No, but, but Z man said trust the plan. Think about that. QAnon inundates you with the most horrifying, you know, reality or to whatever of what's happening to these children that the elites are this cabal of, of child torturing, you know, flesh eaters. All just the worst things you could possibly. And then it's trust the plan. Patriots are in control. Trust the plan Patriots are. It's the same thing, man. It's, it is, it's. I guess that's just how simple it is to get us, huh? Just like show us some trauma and then engineer us with, with an idea.

William Ramsey (86:59)

Right. They found out that the trauma is a predicate to suggestion. That's the whole basis of traumatic mind control. Trauma based mind control. It's that you put you in a state of like Debility, dread and suggestibility. So that's why they traumatize you first. 911 is a huge event. It ties into this stuff. Yeah. Never forget. Gotta go over there. We're gonna get them over there. Right. Like repetitive for these guys all know this stuff. You have to see the Bush family as heirs to the research that was done under Dolas and Helms. Like, who shows up mysteriously as the head of the CA in what 77. George Bush Senior. Right. Supposedly not a CIA agent. And I mean he's right there at the Kennedy assassination. He's literally like at a. I think he's in Whitney, Texas, like 10 miles away. Like I wasn't in Dallas. Well, of course you weren't. You were 10 miles away.

Co-host 1 (87:59)

Right.

William Ramsey (88:01)

They were all there. It was like a Day of the Jackals. But it ties. It ties. You're watching this stuff. This is interesting because one of the things that ties into the Kennedy assassination is that Raymond Shaw is behind kind of the Cold War line, so to speak. And where is Oswald? He's literally in Russia for like 18 months. He's literally in Russia till 1962. And all of a sudden he comes back, he's like, he left, he's. He's dead by 24. But like his life is amazing. How did he come back and not be thrown in jail? And then he starts going through all this communist stuff. Like, why would you let a guy go to Russia then come back and be involved in fair play for Cuba and all the so called Castro sympathy stuff. Like, it's just like they're washing Raymond Shaw in the film. That's why it got so. That's why they had to take this away from the public.

Co-host 1 (88:53)

Yeah. Too many people would have noticed.

William Ramsey (88:55)

They would have noticed that, that, that Oswald's a patsy. He said he was a patsy himself. Right. And so like this is like this overlap. The other thing is like Oswald's Atsugi, which is a known MK Ultra hub. They actually, I don't know if you know the death of Frank Olsen. If you do you know that story. No, he was a guy, he was kind of like a whistleblower at the early MK Ultra and he was going crazy. Like just like they said here. I'm not going crazy. Says the black guy. He was going crazy. He was found. He got chucked out of my opinion. He got chucked out of a window at like 10 stories and died. And they, they were using LSD. This is one of their use early LSD experiments. But they have a cable from dollars to Atsugi to say halt lsd, LSD experimentation at X Atsugi. So they like little pieces of these things come out that probably somebody should have burned in a, in a incinerator. But like you. So you can see that do us is hands on at Atsugi, where Oswald is at Atsugi in 57 or 58. And it's incredible. He gets demoted and sent back to the U.S. he's at the Air Force base here. And then he decides to mysteriously go to Soviet Union with no money. And you see that with all these other program trained these kind of weird shooters is like their ability to move around like Chapman and Ruth and stuff. Like they're supposedly in debt, but all of a sudden they can fly to Ukraine. Like it's just incredible. Or fly cross country or Mangioni can go from Oahu to, to New York City. Like these are incredible stuff that's like.

Co-host 1 (90:46)

This, this shooter in Manhattan on the 33rd building of the Blackstone, whatever. He. I was telling you earlier, there was a tweet that came from 2017 where seemed to be a classmate of his, a personal friend of his was tweeting about how he was missing. This is back in 2017. And the guy basically said, I'm not going to stop tweeting about it until they bring him home. And so this guy clearly had gone missing for a swath of time, comes back, now he's a shooter, 33rd floor of the Blackstone building. You know, and it's. That one was weird because it seems so obvious, you know, that you wouldn't have like scrubbed those tweets from the Internet beforehand or anything like that. But they came up and, you know, that's what makes me have to give some consideration to this Stab her slasher, whatever on the subway system, who says that he wasn't in control of his actions, that a man made substance was put into him that controlled all these different aspects of his life. It's like, yeah, wouldn't be surprised actually if that was the case, right?

William Ramsey (91:54)

Timothy McVeigh said he had an implant. All these guys, strange things happened. The guy. Well, the real backstory of Oswald is much stranger than you think. He had handlers much like Raymond Shaw in this film. He's being handled. You go watch this whole film because Yen Lo is behind enemy lines. All of a sudden he shows up in New York City as a part of the Pavlov Institute and he's treating Raymond Shaw's character. He's treating Raymond Shaw or Lawrence's character or whatever. Whatever his name, Lawrence Harvey's character. And you'll see that these guys, a lot of these people involved in assassinations who have been blamed for him have been in and out of the hospital a lot. Lee Harvey Oswald was at Atsugi and he was treated for days in a hospital for venereal disease. Who would, who gets treated at the hospital for venereal dis disease? They just give you penicillin and kick you out. He also had a lot of money. He was like living a higher lifestyle in Atsugi. Like Atsugi is basically downtown Tokyo. It's, it's, it's on a suburb of Tokyo. And he was at some like bars like whining and dining women. I mean this, he's very strange. There's a guy who knew him, his name is Carrie Thornley, wrote a book about Oswald, it's called the Idol warriors or whatever. Before the assassination on November 22, 1963. Thornley goes on to like be part of the discordians. Like he's a really strange character. He's friends with Robert Anton Wilson. And then he says that he also has been experimented on and has an implant. Like that's what these guys are saying. Like you cannot write this stuff. But the interesting thing about Oswald too, I mean, I know we're nearing the end like a two hour mark. Oswald goes into the, like this is like the overlap of this film to the real world events. Oswald goes into Russia, comes back and he's basically overseen for the rest of his life until he's dead. And actually his file, we know that James Jesus Angleton had Oswald's 201 file per Jefferson Davis, or sorry, excuse me, Jefferson Morley, who wrote a book called the Ghost about Angleton. And he specifically was keeping character and keeping tabs on Oswald. So he knew what was going on. Why did he do that? When he gets back into the U.S. he, he gets, he meets up with a guy who's like friends with all these elites. His name is George Mornshield, who's a very sophisticated White Russian who's kicked out of Russia after the revolution there. And he becomes his friend of George Moore demoricho. Then he five, he's friends with David Ferry, who's a hypnotist. He knows how to do post hypotic suggestion. David Ferry, James Garris, Jim Garrison, who criminally prosecuted Clay Shaw. Right. Do you remember the whole JFK movie and stuff like that? You guys have seen that. So Clay Shaw's played by Bobby Lee Jones or whatever his name Is Tommy Lee Jones prosecuted Clayshaw, Clayshaw's friends with Fairy. One of the key elements of the case that Garrison tried to prove. I think he proved it. I don't, you know, he didn't win the case. But that there was a nexus between Banister, Fairy and Shaw. And I think it was proven. And they, there was people who saw Shaw and Ferry trying to get Oswald a job at a hospital in Clinton, Louisiana. So Oswald comes all the way back from Russia. He's being, he's being monitored by a high level CIA age in Angleton who's like right under the head of the CIA. He's being mentored by a pedophile. I don't know if you call him pedophile. He very liked teenage boys. That was kind of thing. That's why he got kicked out of, kicked out of the priesthood. So yeah, yeah, the Catholic pedo was. No, it's David Ferry. F E R R I E. And he's there. And then for some strange reason, this woman, Ruth Payne. There's a really good movie called the assassination of Mrs. Payne by Max Good. I, you gotta read it. It's very important film and it's also fairly timely because Ruth Payne died in the last week. She literally died at 92. Yes. And Ruth Payne drives all the way up to Eastern, you know, New England. She's part of this old family, like an old rich wasp, Eastern elite family. She drives back down, she comes to New Orleans, she picks up, she picks up Oswald and drives him to Dallas. Dallas. And then gets him a job at the Texas School Book Depository.

Co-host 2 (96:54)

Whoa.

William Ramsey (96:55)

And you can't. And then he's staying, Marina staying at her house in Irving, Texas. And the house in Irving, Texas is still kept as a kind of piece of, of assassination history. It's not rented out, it's a museum basically. And the reason why it's there is because at that house suddenly like a rifle magically appeared with a receipt. And that's ties Oswald to the shooting of jfk. Very convenient. Yeah. And so Oswald is really an interesting guy. There are elements of Oswald's life that are very strange. They would sit him in front of like a computer, like a tv, and he would just sit there and watch the TV without moving. And he was, he was, I mean he's very well connected. Like that's what's really weird about him. And I mean I have video of him saying I'm a patsy. Like you realized it. But he was in the orbit, like much like Raymond Shaw in the film who has Handlers. He has hypnotic handlers. He's much like that. Oswald is the real history of Oswald, not this one where he's supposedly communist. He had some kind. He was either recruited. Oh, by the way, Ferry's a known CIA asset. He's an agent. He's not like a contractor. He is running guns for. He hates Castro. He's an anti communist. He's running guns for like mafia people. He's in court actually with Marcelo, who JRFK is prosecuting the day of the assassination. Which is, you know, incredible. It's incredible stuff. The real story. But what Oswald is is probably like a Raymond Shaw. Like they've exposed him to a lot of different stuff and they put him into place. And he was meant to die on that day. So JFK died on that day. Then he was. Oswald was shot supposedly by Ruby. And then J.D. tippett was probably somebody in the corrupt Dallas police were probably supposed to get Oswald leaving the. The School Book Depository because he was seen there. And Green. They were probably supposed to kill him. And that's probably why Tippet got shot is because he didn't fulfill his. His. He was actually supposed to die at the. Texas. Texas. I don't know how much of the details of like the JFK assassination, you know, but Oswald was seen at the School Book Depository where Ruth Payne got him his job, who just died. He left. He's seen getting into like cars and stuff. Like she owned like a blue station wagon and maybe people have seen that station wagon. She's a very mysterious character. One of the kickers about her is one of her closest friends is this woman named Bancroft who is literally formerly and a lover of and worked for guess who? Alan Dulles.

Co-host 1 (100:00)

So this, it's just so weird how these people, it's like a big circle.

William Ramsey (100:04)

This is a true story. They never bring it up. In JFK assassination research. The fact that Ruth Payne traveled around and was in kind of like weird free love environment with this Bancroft woman who literally wrote an autobiography. Do you know what the title of her autobiography was?

Co-host 1 (100:22)

No.

William Ramsey (100:22)

The Autobiography of a Spy. She's telling you. Yeah. So bankrupt and pain are like peas in a pod. They're traveling around Europe together before World War II. Then Bancroft works for Dulles and is having sex with him. And then all of a sudden she shows like pain, shows up as the central character in the. The JFK assassination. You can go up online, go look up the Ruth Painthouse right now. Look it up on the Internet. You could probably bring it up. That's Where Marina was and Oswald was like, she's a total handler, man. And the whole story of Oswald's fake. This is literally within one year of the release of this film.

Co-host 1 (101:07)

It's wild that Oswald, you know, given how young he was and how much he was probably subjected to, ever came to realize that he was a patsy.

Co-host 2 (101:15)

It's a museum now.

William Ramsey (101:17)

Yeah, that's it. It's. I mean, imagine if, you know the inside story of the JFK assassination there. You have to just laugh because it's completely fake. Like, this is like, oh, she's like a hero who discovered all the stuff. No, she put Oswald into place. She put him into place at the Texas School for Commodity. She. She died with a lot of secrets, man. And the connection to Dolas is really the giveaway. So if you remember, who's the kind of central figure of the Warrant Commission, who's sitting on the Warren Commission?

Co-host 1 (101:51)

Oh, is this Alan?

William Ramsey (101:52)

Alan Dulles? Yes, Alan Dulles is on the Warrant Commission. Who. Who did JFK let go because of the Bay of Pigs in 61? Alan Dulles.

Co-host 1 (102:07)

Made a lot of enemies.

William Ramsey (102:09)

He did. No, he had no friends. He had no powerful people in high places. So he had enemies in the military and the intelligence, and that was. Sealed his fate. And there's something about him that rubbed everybody the wrong way. Oh, well, Alan Dillas, Knights of Malta. That's interesting you bring that up because guess who else is the Knights of Malta? They never bring it up. In the JFK assassination. Destination Shaw. Shaw is a Knight of Malta. He's a war hero. He worked under this guy, this general called Thrasher. They never bring this up. That's kind of the shortcut. I'm not saying JFK is a bad film because the whole point of Oliver Stone is to contradict this narrative, the fake narrative of the jfk. It's still irrelevant because they're not giving away all the documents. But Shaw's A Night of Malta Dollars is a Night of Malta. His brother's a Night of Malta. So these. Oh, also like some of these other himlers, A Night of Malta. And also Galen, who the Dallas is like really tight with a lot of these high, high level Nazis. It's really crazy. So. And he had these kind of ideas of like, he wasn't a believer in egalitarianism at all. He believed that it kind of like a scientific dictatorship of an elite was the optimal. And of course, he's that elite, you know, delicious. And one of the interesting things, one of the interests, some researcher, you know, back before the Internet, you would have calendars, right? You didn't have calendar. You would have, like, a written calendar or something on your desk where you'd write down your appointments. And they found Doolas's appointment calendar. And where was he over the weekend where all this stuff happened during the JFK assassination, he was at what he wrote down as the Farm, which is a nickname for CIA headquarters. Jeez, dude, this is all real. These are all real facts. So Garrison was right. Garrison was on the trail of the assassins. He knew it, and he was right. And everybody kind of ridiculed him. He got the treatment. He had his character rep destroyed. You know, threats, the whole bit. But he's a. He's a giant. The guy's a freaking American hero. He had him down. And Ferry didn't die right away. After the assassination, Fairy walked around. There's, like, all I've done shows on Fairy. And he. He kind of went free. And then Garrison started the kind of criminal indictment. He was the D. A Of. Of Louisiana, New Orleans. And then all of a sudden, you know, Barry's gonna come and testify once. These guys are going to come and testify, they're dead. And Fairy died. And they said he had some kind of, like, brain aneurysm in the back of his head. But it's also consistent with some really big, strong guy coming up behind him and, you know, hitting him as hard as he could in the back of his head. Wow. He died with this. Yeah, it's a fortune. It's one of those many deaths. Like, there. There's a book called Hit List, and it shows how many of these guys died. And it's an interesting tie over, too, in this film, because when the character Raymond Shaw, who's played by Lawrence Harvey, when he goes to do the final assassination, he's dressed as a priest and fairy, and he would. He was a priest. He would dress up in priest outfits. He also did hypnotism and was a Satanist. He had these crazy rituals, and there's all elements of, like, Oswald possibly being involved in all this dark stuff. And the rumor is. Which I haven't proved yet, we did that show on Catcher in the Rye, right? Is that in Oswald's library in his bookshelf, he had a copy of Catch from the Rye.

Co-host 1 (105:55)

That doesn't. It just.

Co-host 2 (105:56)

It just doesn't stop.

Co-host 1 (105:57)

No, actually, when these past few happened, I was looking. I was like, is it gonna pop?

William Ramsey (106:01)

Yeah.

Co-host 2 (106:01)

I was waiting for the cat.

Co-host 1 (106:02)

Finally figured out, they're like, we got to stop allowing these guys to publish.

Co-host 2 (106:06)

Well, now it's an ebook.

Co-host 1 (106:07)

Now it's an ebook. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

William Ramsey (106:10)

But do we want. Connections are there? I mean, we can go through. We can do whatever you want to. Just roll through the slides real quick.

Co-host 1 (106:15)

I would like to go through the slides a little bit because I think they do a great job, some of them, at highlighting this. You know, what it takes to cause a disassociative state, especially in the changing of appearance. But what do we have here on this one?

William Ramsey (106:28)

This is just the. The poster of the Manchurian Candidate featuring Sinatra. And I think it suggests, like, there's underneath, like the surface. There's a lot going on. And there's the trigger mechanism, which is the.

Co-host 1 (106:43)

The Queen of Diamonds.

William Ramsey (106:44)

Queen of Diamonds, right. And so you have Crooks mystery, Ruth mystery, Manioni. Very mysterious. This is also the Cat one of the Catcher in the Rye. This is Chapman. This kind of. This guy had a massive personality change.

Co-host 1 (107:02)

Yes.

William Ramsey (107:02)

Is the Aurora shooter, James.

Co-host 1 (107:05)

I think this is one of the really obvious ones when it comes to, like, you know, this guy specifically had an identity issue.

William Ramsey (107:13)

They. And this is. That's the whole theme of, like, these Catchers in the Rye is they're morphing of their character to somebody else. Usually not a good person. Like, identifying with Holden Caulfield is bad. Like, you're identifying with a psychopath, like a really horrible person.

Co-host 1 (107:30)

I forgot who I was talking to somebody in real life recently where the Catcher in the Rye came up. And, you know, it was just this idea of it being this classic piece of, you know, literature that you were made to read in school. And I said, this really wasn't that great. And the main character was kind of a piece of, wasn't he? And the guy was like, come to think of it, yeah, it wasn't really that good. And it was also like, yeah, he sucked. He was a bad guy. Like, it was, you know, it was. And then he started asking himself, like, why did we. Why were we forced to read that in. In school? And I said, well, that's very interesting you should ask.

William Ramsey (108:02)

Yeah. Why is it exposed to 65 million people? I. I have an assignment for you. Don't read the whole book. Just read the last three or four chapters and you'll be freaked out because you just see him dissociate. You just use that word. Yeah, he's dissociating. He. Entirely. The. A lot of these guys who've been tampered with, their time space mechanisms are different. Like, we usually have standard time space difference. Holden Caulfield is. Lot is out of time. He does word thoughts and jumps back into reality that aren't consistent with the, like a linear time space mechanism in his brain. It's really weird. You'll go, what the hell is this?

Co-host 1 (108:43)

Well, that's what I'm talking about when I said that the, the, you know, the Gates program program is a selection process for, for people that would be good for these programs. But the public school system has multiple selection processes within it. And I think, you know, that's why the Catcher in the Rye is, is pushed throughout the public school system. It's like maybe there's something that is triggered in, in a specific type of child who reads that sort of thing. They get bought up, let's say, on a, on a list of sort. And it could be innocuous to the teacher. It might just be like, needs help, you know, problematic student or something like that, you know, and is recommended to the school. What is it? Psychologist. There's a, there's a specific word for like the school therapist. And then they get filed away into another list. And the therapist doesn't understand that this is now going into a database that's accessible by these, you know, whoever's running these, these, these programs. And if you get put into the right list, they go, okay, here, here's a potential candidate. And then you look into a couple of more elements of it. Is the father home, is there a history of trauma, things of that nature? You know what, this kid might be a great candidate for a gifted and talented program. And what, especially a single mother is going to say no to their child being, you know, put into a gifted and talented program. So it's like that's the kind of selection process that I imagine this entire thing unfolds by.

William Ramsey (110:12)

I think you're right. I think that happens more in our society than they're. We're willing to admit. McVeigh said that when he was in the military, this is what he told his sister. Somebody came to him and said, you're going to go through some training and then we're going to send you off in assignments. Like, it's not going to be real. It's not. Their training isn't going to be the real type of thing. And I think that there's actually like the elite talent spots. So they have either politicians or people who, like, will do their work, who aren't part of the, the kind of aristocracy. Somebody who comes to mind who was also on the, the Warren Commission is John J. McLoy. He didn't come from like a big wealthy family, but he kind of they, something about the Rockefellers. They found something important about him. He's intelligent and he went to, he was a higher level thinker and he just became part of their group and it benefited him greatly. Like he just became part of like almost like I think of like the Godfather where they had the, the consigliere was the Irish guy, Tom, remember, who isn't part of the family but like he becomes kind of part of the family. That was John J. McCoy. But also this talent spotting is in the military and in law. I know from a fact law schools have a lot of talent spotting. Yeah, they know, they want to winnow out people who may be good for spying or other jobs or maybe even corruption, you know. So I think that those are also things like there are people you get talent spotted to go to a big law firm or something like that. But you're also, you know, this guy would make a good James Bond before.

Co-host 1 (111:51)

Whatever. Interesting because I, I was at this event this past weekend and I was talking to somebody there who was a fan of the show and they were saying that they've, they observed some sort of correlation. I think they were a psychologist, but it was intelligence level to schizophrenia and that oftentimes schizophrenics will be of, of considerable intelligence IQ and, and it was just a strange correlation. I mean, I'm wondering if there is a correlation between trauma and intelligence. Meaning if, if you experience childhood trauma, does it somehow unlock a tendency for the brain to engage in higher thinking? Because I could imagine living a pretty, you know, cushy life. You would never have to think that hard about a thing. But as soon as trauma is, you know, injected into an individual's life, well, the brain probably goes into some sort of a much higher survival mechanism, you know, because now it's been, it's been subjected to this external threat and so and now it has to figure out how to compute a little bit faster to avoid maybe that sort of pattern happening again. So I, I wonder if there really is like, you know, you, the correlation between an individual who is suited for the gifted and talented program and also an individual who is likely to exhibit signs of schizophrenia, thereby also being an individual who is highly programmable might be higher than we think and it might just be trauma that that does that.

William Ramsey (113:32)

It may be maybe withstanding trauma too. And like coming through as a, is a category. It is interesting that this guy Gittinger was like into personality assessments. He actually laid him out in South America and for all the CIA spies. And that also Timothy Leary, that was what he was involved in is like categorizing people's personality characteristics. So this kind of systematic, scientific, you know, assessment of personality was there in the 50s and 60s. Probably still around today.

Co-host 1 (114:03)

Oh yeah. Oh, it's definitely still around.

Narrator/Clip Voice (114:05)

Yeah.

William Ramsey (114:05)

I think every, every public school student gets a C. Gets IQ test. They get a bunch of weird tests even when they're in elementary school. At least I remember some strange tests that weren't scored. But yeah, and those papers stay with you. Like I think they do. But it is weird. It is. It's a little unnerving actually. Anyway, there's Hinckley Levelsberger, that's what's his name, Jabbar, who ran over people in New Orleans.

Co-host 1 (114:39)

Right.

William Ramsey (114:40)

This is the book cover. There's Condon. That's what he looked like. This is interesting. That's one other cover for the book. You have the shattered Queen of diamonds. Just like shattering somebody, somebody's consciousness, somebody's personality. You'll see them shattered. He mentions his hypnosis throughout the book. He also like one of his. This is his introduction from 1991 popular notion Nobody could be persuaded under hypnosis to do anything which is inherently abhorrent to him. Reams of research proves this to be untrue. And then he mentions like what have goes on in, in common culture because. Continue. High patriotism, religion, exclusionary society, self righteousness, tribal innuendo. So these people still kind of do things anyway. Yeah, but that's like a picture of Manchuria. So for people who aren't familiar with the, with the geography of the area. Sinatra was also in a film before this in 54, where he played an assassin of the President with a rifle. Like the synchronicities are crazy. Yeah, it's called Suddenly. So he like literally, like I think they hijack a house and wait for the President to drive by, shoot him with a rifle.

Co-host 1 (115:51)

It's all the same thing. It's all that predictive program crazy.

William Ramsey (115:54)

Yeah. So look up. Suddenly this is Sinatra with jfk. Good buddies hanging out the, you know, the important symbol of the Manchurian Candida candidate. The whole thing where they're abducted takes place in Korea in 52. Raymond Shaw gets his, his Medal of Honor. 77. One of 77. There he is with his medal of Honor. This, this first dream of sinatra happens at 3:11, right. So you've got the number of magic. There's Yen Low, the woman with a bayonet. He's screaming he's repeating this kind of post hypnotic suggestion stuff. They're shooting at you, he's pointing directly at the camera. Yeah, this is the other black guy. They found out during the artichoke test that you could put somebody in a hypnotic state through the phone. And so that's what's happening here. Yeah, so this is actually a reflection.

Co-host 1 (116:50)

Of reality I'm, I'm speculating on is to like when we talk about free range MK Ultra victims and it happening at scale, I think frequency is also playing a large part in that. And I would imagine that, that they're utilizing whatever frequency to be able to pull that off through the phone. But yeah, it's, I think that the point of doing this at scale is culture is not our friend. It's an engineered aspect of, of reality, of, of, you know, the lives that we live. And if you can MK Ultra an entire populace, then you can steer the culture very effectively. It used to have to take infiltrating sort of the media, getting your stars in place and obviously that's still an element of it. Or then you look at like a Weimar like, like the Bolsheviks. Right. Like you're, you're engineering revolutions over time throughout a place. But I think this, this is if you want to engineer a revolution or if you want to introduce a catastrophe, it would benefit you greatly to first engineer how the public is going to respond to that kind of stimuli. And I think that's what they're doing at scale is they're, they're completely, you know, sort of giving us a scaffolding for how we react to reality.

William Ramsey (118:18)

I think you're right. I think you're right. I think that they learn a lot of techniques. When, when, when Dolas was talking about brain warfare, he was talking about collective and individual effects. So he understands the collectives, consciousness, subconscious, all that stuff. But anyway, one of the interesting things about Sirhan Sirhan, who's a very much like Oswald, a very interesting guy, he was in contact with somebody that he was a, an amateur radio guy and he was in contact with somebody called Radio man. And they think that he might have been getting post hypnotic suggestions through Radio Man. You ever heard that?

Co-host 1 (118:58)

No. That's, that's fascinating.

William Ramsey (118:59)

Yeah, yeah. So he's kept in a hypnotic state on the Quintet I'm note he's in a hospital. So many of these guys will be in and out of. Sirhan Sirhan was in and out of the hospital. Weird times leading up all the way up to rfk. So he's very similar, believe it or not to Oswald Yenlow shows up in New York City. His handler shows up. It's off the charts. There's actually examples of nlp, neuro linguistic programming. And Angela Lansbury knows the techniques because her, her fuddy duddy husband is not very bright. He can't remember how many communists there are in the United States. So then he trains, she trains him to remember 57. And he does this physical thing with the ketchup and then he remembers Heinz 57. So it's actually a very clever kind of thing that they integrated into the film. So there's also this blurring of character. This guy, her Eiselden or whatever, who's the husband of, of Angela Lansbury. Andrew Lansbury's morphed into the Queen, the evil Red Queen, and they morph him into Abraham Lincoln, the assassinated president. Right. And then eventually he gets assassinated. So I don't want to ruin it, but this is where, this is where Sinatra discovers that he's actually was in a meeting with like high level Soviet and Chinese communists and that they weren't.

Co-host 1 (120:34)

It wasn't a woman's club.

William Ramsey (120:36)

It's starting to figure it out. This is actually, this is the classical illusion. Sinatra's talking to Lawrence and he's like, hey, Clytes of Nester in this and Clytemnestra and I forgot the other guy's name, but they actually end up like shooting. It's like a classical illusion to like somebody getting shot. Arrestees. And his mother, Clyde Estra, and then arrestes, avenges the murder of his father by killing his mother. And that's classical kind of Greek illusion. The queen's important. He sees it. He literally goes and jumps in a lake in Central Park. And then the, the psychiatrist we saw from the earlier clip. Yeah, the military guy, he starts to unravel stuff. So the solitaire, you know, it's identification of human beings and he's trying to help, help Sinatra figure stuff out. This is where she wants her steak at 11 cooked on 11 minutes each side. And there she's the queen. Right. So she's dressed as the queen and basically in the book she has. She puts her son into a trance and has sex with him. It's really dark. Super duper dark. Yeah.

Co-host 2 (121:48)

So they feel like our, our show just continues to bleed one into another from like the, the Pope being a Nazi youth and that kind of like leading back to this weird, I don't know, scientific revolution to this readable mother kind of idea. Yes. And Nimrod having sex with each Other. It's bizarre.

William Ramsey (122:11)

So then his love interest is this woman who he ends up killing, but she has the Queen of Dimes who puts him into a trance. Awesome. Yeah. No, it's great. Sinatra figures it out that the Queen of Diamonds is the trigger. And so he gets like a magical hand of all queen of Diamonds and starts talking to. To Raymond Shaw. Raymond Shaw, unfortunately gets away and kills his girlfriend and her dad over a black and white checker board.

Co-host 1 (122:40)

I was gonna say. Yeah, I missed Masonic floor, obviously.

William Ramsey (122:44)

Masonic floorboard, yeah. In off of Central Park.

Co-host 2 (122:47)

Oh, my God.

William Ramsey (122:48)

And then she instructs him to kill. What she's gonna do is kill somebody at, of all places, the nomination. That's what RFK was doing. He was at the Democratic nomination at Ambassador Hotel. He was. I think he was either announcing his win. He was running for the nomination in 1968. Anyway, she's instructing her son to shoot the guy who's going to win the nomination so that her husband can skip into power. And then this is the whole thing where she gets down and dirty with. In the book, they do the deed. And then Raymond Shaw, for the assassination, he dresses up as a priest. And then instead of shooting who he's supposed to shoot, he shoots his mother and his stepfather and then kills himself. So it's a tie in directly to what Dr. Yen Low said at the. At the. At the hypnosis place in Manchuria where they have these loop things where they tell people to commit suicide. And so he does that. He finishes it off. And this is kind of like all the Elevens and stuff. This is also. Somebody mentioned this Seven Days of May at the beginning. Like, they keyed into. Keyed into my presentation because I included this in to show that this movie didn't happen in a vacuum. It's like Seven Days of May is there in Strange Love. And then we can go into Saran. Saran. Radio Man. He's being. He was in and out of the hospital for like forever. For like four years. He was in and out of the hospital. Just.

Co-host 2 (124:34)

Do you have an episode on Radio Man?

William Ramsey (124:36)

I'd have to. I could put one together. Okay.

Co-host 2 (124:40)

All right. Because I'll tell you the truth, a lot of times if I'm like, I don't know that subject. I'll go to William Ramsey, investigate.

Co-host 1 (124:45)

And.

William Ramsey (124:46)

Oh, I do have two on Sirhan Sirian. So you can look at. Yeah, this is actually super creepy. Same kind of like, wow, that is.

Co-host 1 (124:59)

Not a common, you know, mode of dressing here in. In 2024, especially Mangioni would choose that.

William Ramsey (125:07)

And there's, there's Jack Ruby shooting. He's coming up, putting the gun up against the side of, of Oswald, man. I think he was led to the slaughter. I think he was all around the police and the police office and he was kind of like the intermediary between the cops and the mob is my understanding. Like they were at the Carousel Club and some were corrupt and they just let him hang around and then eventually they knew Oswald had to go and so they tried to kill him multiple times. Like on the, on Friday they tried to shoot him at the, at the Texas Theater. The gun missed. Like he put, he pulled the gun away, tried to survive and that was, that was a bond. So like there were bungled attempts to kill Oswald. I think that was part of the plan. And so Ruby had to come in and do it.

Narrator/Clip Voice (125:58)

Wow.

William Ramsey (125:58)

And it's kind of like, I mean, yeah, it might be like what happened to Martin Luther King is that apparently the shot didn't kill him on him off the top, but then they put him to. Got it. Once they got him to the hospital, they could finish the deed. And I think maybe that's what happened to Oswald too. He was planned to go. I could do a whole nother show on Oswald. Like I've got 30 hours of information on there. But there's like a lot like it's, it's mind boggling. But the, the correlation between this film and the JFK assassinate assassination alone is incredible because you have the same things behind the Iron Curtain to back to this, to assassination of political figures, to handlers, to strange kind of hospital stays and then to the final death. It's, it's unnerving. And then the Frankenheimer connection to Seven Days of May and to RFK is also crazy. Crazy like literally Frankenheimer directs this film, then drives RFK to the Ambassador Hotel where he's killed by a guy who didn't kill him.

Co-host 2 (127:11)

S. Why, Let me ask you man. Like, because it's, it's not even a doubt in my mind anymore that this is, it's telling the story of what happened. But like why, in your opinion, why they, why do they have to go through such lengths to do this?

William Ramsey (127:29)

Because then, then they can never be blamed and then the blame is on the, the scapegoat. Right? So it's much like, like they probably study. Even Garrison mentions this correlation between the. It's such a monumental event. Like they're going to kill and blow the head off of a president. They had to Figure out the way to do it. They'd already been overthrowing governments, right. And infiltrating government governments. Italy, Iran, Guatemala, Arbans. Like all these operations were going. And then there are operations after, too, Vietnam and Chile. But I think that they had to shield themselves. And they knew that, like, if they were ever busted, like, it would be the end of the functioning government now. And it actually permeated through the death of jfk, even to today, but also certainly through the Johnson administration and Nixon, too. Nixon's like that Bay of Pigs thing. Like, he knew the Bay of Pigs was really it. Like, they. People took it personally. That's why they wanted to kill jfk. So they had to have. They. For all of these deaths, they want to have a scapegoat. And so these are what these people are. They're scapegoats for somebody they want to kill, but they don't want to take the blame for it. It makes perfect sense. Like, why would you want to commit a crime and. And get busted for it?

Co-host 2 (128:48)

Well, I was actually reading. I was reading Leviticus. It was about the scapegoat, specifically, which is kind of an interesting. An interesting concept, I guess, biblically, culturally. And.

Co-host 1 (129:02)

And you kill it and then absolve yourself of your sins.

Co-host 2 (129:04)

No, no, they sacrifice one, and then they take one, they put their sins on it, and they let it into the wilderness. Like, they don't kill it, they just lead it.

Co-host 1 (129:14)

Oh, so it's not like the chicken thing?

Co-host 2 (129:16)

No, no, It's. It's a little different.

William Ramsey (129:17)

This.

Co-host 2 (129:17)

I mean, this goat will surely die, but the idea of, like, leading it astray to die, like a weird, confused death is a bit poetic, especially when you're looking at this movie and everything. Like, all the other actions that are.

Co-host 1 (129:33)

Just put our sins in Oswald and.

Co-host 2 (129:35)

And yeah, and. Yeah, then you tell a bunch of stories and you lead him. Lead the people to the wilderness.

William Ramsey (129:40)

Yeah, yeah, but I mean, they did a. They sheep dipped him. They'd made an intel legend about him that he was calling. They established it. They probably knew they were gunning for Kennedy at some point. And there was actually, I did a show on another scapegoat who was in Chicago, a guy. But Kennedy kind of got wise not to go to Chicago, and I forgot his name off the top of my head, but he was kind of like an odd Oswald. And so it's.

Co-host 1 (130:07)

They probably had so many of those set up.

Co-host 2 (130:09)

Yeah, that's the thing. Like, you were talking about Oswald, you know, like, then that's when they sent in Jack Ruby. And it's like, dude, if it wasn't him, it was the next thing.

Co-host 1 (130:17)

Yeah.

William Ramsey (130:17)

Somebody was gonna kill him. He was not gonna live that long.

Co-host 1 (130:20)

And if it wasn't. Yeah. And if he didn't die there in Dallas, JFK would have been somewhere. It was like, you know, like I said, he had no friends, no allies in high places. Everybody was.

William Ramsey (130:33)

They all wanted him dead. All the big boys wanted him dead. And I think there was an attempt in Miami, too. There was like, rumors of Miami because the. One of the biggest CIA outposts was in Miami at that time. So then I think that also Johnson. It was really to a benefit of Johnson to become president. He was under investigation. He was butting heads with the candidates. And so having him in the wings to. And he always. Johnson lusted for the presidency. That was really his goal in life. So the guys who did this, they knew Johnson was a willing tool. I mean, that people blame Johnson. He didn't have. He had the power to cover up, but not to commit the crime. It's too big of a. Too vast of a crime involving too many different people. And he's. He's. He's a kind of a side player. He's kind of like the beneficiary because he was killing people too, man. There was like dead bodies all over Texas because of him. He had his own professional hitman. I think there were seven deaths. I think even his sister died suspiciously. So it's really rough. Really rough time. A lot of deaths. 60s was very traumatic. I mean, the US history since JFK has been traumatic, but.

Co-host 1 (131:51)

Yeah. Well, it's almost like they figured out all the way to the present way.

William Ramsey (131:54)

To control the public. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Co-host 1 (131:56)

And then they just keep.

William Ramsey (131:57)

And give them money, keep in line, and don't complain about paying taxes and getting nothing from the government and all.

Co-host 1 (132:04)

That red circus and trauma.

Co-host 2 (132:08)

That's the name of my book.

Co-host 1 (132:12)

Well, we're at the two hour Intent mark, but. But before we wrap this up, I have one final question to ask you.

Co-host 2 (132:18)

Oh, boy. This is. Actually, I don't. I don't know.

Co-host 1 (132:20)

I don't know where. Yeah. I don't know what we're gonna get, but this is something that we've taken to asking everybody on their. On their way out. Are you having fun?

William Ramsey (132:31)

I enjoy kind of uncovering the real history. So in that way I would. But I would say the direction the country's going, pulling and stuff, and the future. I'm not having fun about that. But are you. Are you having Fun. Why don't I just flip it back on you?

Co-host 2 (132:48)

Yeah, look at my shirt, bro.

William Ramsey (132:49)

Of course. Yeah. Dude. Might as well have fun.

Co-host 2 (132:53)

You know what?

William Ramsey (132:54)

Right.

Co-host 2 (132:55)

Because we're dealing. We deal with, like, so many of these dark topics.

Co-host 1 (132:59)

Yeah.

Co-host 2 (133:00)

I mean, you more so than us, I think.

Co-host 1 (133:02)

Yeah, you're, like, true.

William Ramsey (133:03)

Yeah, you.

Co-host 2 (133:05)

What's his name? We're gonna have him on again.

Co-host 1 (133:08)

Wow, very rude of you.

Co-host 2 (133:10)

Yeah, very rude.

Co-host 1 (133:11)

I have no idea who you're talking about. So I'm absolved.

Co-host 2 (133:14)

The Underclass podcast. Awesome. How did. I just had a brain fart there. You guys are really digging into the details of this stuff, and it's super dark, but, yeah, you gotta have fun, man. You gotta have some fun. Otherwise, it's just.

Co-host 1 (133:28)

Yeah, for me, I. I was. You know, it was when I started on. On conspiracy. I was a teenager. I think when you're younger, you're very, like, easily scared. You know what I mean? Like, you're younger, you don't have, like, the grounding that an adult has. And so I was, like, really scared when I was. When I was young, and I went through this phase of, like, you know, a number of years where I was really scared and I was warning people, and I. And I thought all these things were going to come to pass, and they in some ways did, in other ways didn't. But I realized that I had to. I sort of, like, changed my psychology on how I analyze these things and. And, you know, comedy, I know is.

William Ramsey (134:07)

It's.

Co-host 1 (134:07)

It sounds crass to even inject comedy into any of these things, but it is. It's like gallows humor. You know what I mean? It's like, is it crass for a man who is on death's door to crack jokes about his coming death? I don't know, but it certainly helps swallow the pill, so. And so outside of that, I would agree with you, William, where it's like, I enjoy learning the truth, and. And the truth has a. You realize that life is much more fantastical than what we are conventionally told. And in that way that. That is. There's fun in that as well. So. And then, yeah, making content and. And talking to people like you, and. And then, you know, it bleeds into other things, like live events. Yeah, I'm. I am having fun. I think if I stopped and I analyzed too much, I would not. But if I. If I stay in this moment, I can have fun as long as I live in the present.

William Ramsey (135:12)

Good. I think that. I think that shows like this inform people about how Much their history is fake. And how the mockingbird media can just make stuff up to get away with people in power. And so those people in power can keep and maintain power. Like I think the military industrial complex heavily involved in the death of JFK and benefiting. Right. And so they made money on Vietnam and all these stupid wars that have bled the public dry. We live like third worlders go to China. It looks freaking great. They're not fighting it. They're not fighting constant wars like the U.S. totally different civilization.

Co-host 1 (135:53)

Yeah.

William Ramsey (135:53)

That's why I go back to culture and civilization. Like is this really the optimal culture and civilization? You want bombing and genociding kids in Gaza and stuff.

Co-host 1 (136:04)

So yeah, getting stabbed on the subway king.

William Ramsey (136:07)

Stabbed on the subway. Your main urban centers look like Mad Max or Escape from New York. Yeah, there's just infinity third worlders who don't give a crap about your culture, your background. You see you as just an economic unit, somebody to steal from. So I mean those are valid concerns. So I think that kind of these are the antidote to do those things. It's like, hey, we can do better, we can do different. And you don't have to believe these. This garbage coveted was incredible outlay of mind control like it is.

Co-host 1 (136:44)

Oh yeah.

William Ramsey (136:45)

Off the charts what they pulled off.

Co-host 1 (136:47)

Safe and effective. Safe and effective.

William Ramsey (136:50)

Constantly doing it constant. Like I mean you and Cameron and McGill 250000 of the same phrase over and over. Your mom hates you.

Co-host 1 (136:59)

Your mom you.

William Ramsey (137:00)

Then he puts you to sleep and give you some lsd, then some curare, then wake you up and keep you asleep for 87 days. Dude, you are going to be a different personality.

Co-host 2 (137:14)

You know. All right. All right, man. I hope you have fun next time.

William Ramsey (137:21)

I have fun. Like when I go through this every time, like I see different elements and also the conversations are different, different on. On the host. So it's almost like a jazz performance because people see different things or different aspects or elements or even the comment comments are different. So it's always interesting for me.

Co-host 1 (137:39)

Williams. William Ramsey investigates. Correct?

William Ramsey (137:43)

Yeah. William Ramsey investigates on podcast Patreon. I got all my stuff without ads and then five books and five documents documentaries on my Patreon as well.

Co-host 1 (137:56)

Always a pleasure to have you, William.

William Ramsey (137:58)

Guys, thanks for having me back. It's. Thank you, thank you, thank you and I really appreciate it and great to talk with you again. Absolutely. Watch the whole movie. Watch the whole movie now and check it out.

Co-host 2 (138:07)

I might watch it tonight.

Co-host 1 (138:09)

Yeah, it's not a bad idea.

Co-host 2 (138:09)

But guys. Next time. Oh, go ahead, William.

William Ramsey (138:12)

I think it's free on. I think there's a link.

Co-host 1 (138:15)

We can watch it. You come over for dinner, we'll put it on. We'll subject the kids to it.

Co-host 2 (138:18)

Okay. Per year I have my kids watch it. Until next time, guys. Don't forget to obey, submit and comply. We'll see you.

Narrator/Clip Voice (138:25)

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is.

William Ramsey (138:28)

A oblong box in the corner of the room.

Narrator/Clip Voice (138:31)

It is constantly telling us what to believe is real.

William Ramsey (138:35)

You can persuade this that what they see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll act in the face of an explanation that portra the bigger picture of what and they have.