Age of Deceit, Tucker, Zionism & The Great Deception w/ Canary Cry Podcast

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad

Episode: Age of Deceit, Tucker, Zionism & The Great Deception w/ Canary Cry Podcast

Date: December 4, 2025
Hosts: David Lee Corbo (Raven), TopLobsta
Guests: Gans & Basil (Canary Cry Radio)

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Overview

In this engaging and eclectic episode, David Lee Corbo and the Nephilim Death Squad are joined by Gans and Basil of Canary Cry Radio to explore the current explosion of conspiratorial and spiritual topics—their overlap, dangers, and redemptive opportunities for truth-seekers. The group dives deep into the biblical frameworks for understanding modern phenomena, shares war stories from years of Christian podcasting, and debates the challenges and rewards of talking unconventional theology in today's polarized world. Topics range widely: the viral nature of “Age of Deceit,” the mainstreaming of fringe ideas, the pitfalls of “Christian” influencers, the Israel-Zionism debate, archetypes in prophecy, spiritual warfare, and, of course, the looming specter of Alien Disclosure.

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1. Meet the Guests: Canary Cry Radio Origins

(03:15 – 08:35)

• Gans shares the origin of their ministry and viral film:
  • Started FaceLikeTheSun in 2011; "Age of Deceit," YouTube documentary on fallen angels & NWO, went semi-viral.
  • Met Basil while working tech in a large church: “We’d walk into the same room, not talk to each other, do our business, and then go away … It wasn’t until Bible study we found out we had similar interests.” (03:56, Gans)
• Podcast Beginnings:
  • Launched Canary Cry Radio in 2012. Transitioned to News Talk in 2016. Survived multiple YouTube bans.
  • “My favorite was we got put in timeout for cyberbullying Bill Gates…Wasn’t even for medical misinformation.” (05:28, Basil)

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2. Fringe Christianity Goes Mainstream

(06:35 – 12:20)

• Changing landscape of “conspiracy” topics:
  • “I was the big conspiracy theorist in my friend group…because I was telling everybody Facebook is watching you. Now it’s mainstream.” (05:53, Basil)
  • “Biblical prophecy scholars, … now they’re going on Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens.” (07:01, Basil)
  • “We started ‘Nephilim Death Squad’ thinking we were edgy. A few months later, Tucker’s talking Nephilim with Roseanne Barr.” (10:42, David)
• Reflections on the scene:
  • “I had this notion we’d enter a community of ‘schizo content creators’—then realized, oh, we’re ALL schizo.” (11:19, David)

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3. The Power & Peril of “Conspirituality”

(12:20 – 17:42)

• Spirituality catalyzed by conspiratorial thinking:
  • “So many obvious, concrete connections between biblical prophecy and the events happening right around us. Nobody can deny it. You don’t even have to be a Christ follower.” (13:13, Basil)
  • “We get messages: ‘I was an atheist/agnostic, but you guys are onto something.’ People come to Christ through these topics.” (14:13, Basil)
• Misfit Christianity:
  • Hosts discuss church backgrounds, disconnects with 501c3 organizations, and the value (and difficulty) of “institutional church.”
  • “The biggest problem Christians have today is balancing established traditions with the reality that it’s still a creation of man and it’s going to go bad 100% of the time.” (19:25, Basil)

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4. Authenticity Versus the Christian “Influencer” Class

(34:09 – 43:30)

• The Danger of Celebrity Christians:
  • “If you build your relationship with Christ on [a public figure]—when the foundation is torn out, where are you left?” (43:24, Basil)
  • Examples: Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes—“the message people get from them isn’t building on the rock, but on sand.” (42:01–43:30, Basil)
• Faith and the Perils of Idolatry:
  • “Are they pointing you to Christ or standing next to a straw man?” (49:08, David)
  • “Nick Fuentes tells people not to read the Bible, to depend entirely on the Church Fathers. That’s exactly backwards.” (50:18, David)

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5. The Great (and Near) Deception

(51:24 – 53:11)

• The spiritual inoculation against deception:
  • “True relationship with Christ is the inoculation for the great deception…Without Christ, there’s no getting past it.” (52:25, Basil)
  • “Conspiracy leads to spirituality, and spirituality—if you’re honest—always leads you to Jesus.” (paraphrased, 32:49, David)

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6. Zionism, Israel, and Divided Allegiances

(73:49 – 95:42)

• The challenge of spiritual discernment in geopolitics:
  • Hosts voice frustration over Christian Zionism, pornography, the “false binary” choice between defending Israel vs. recognizing evil.
  • “Supporting Israel was always the default…But the friction is on purpose. Christ doesn’t tell us to avoid uncomfortable issues.” (75:02, Basil)
  • “If you don’t shift your target to principalities and powers behind everything—you’ll try to fix the issue in an earthly manner…and that always leads to terrible things.” (92:22, Gans)
  • Ephesians 6:12 and recurring archetypes in prophecy: “Nothing new under the sun—every time we think prophecy is being fulfilled, it might just be another cycle.” (Finalized by both Gans and Basil)

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7. Archetypal Conspiracies and Prophetic Patterns

(61:38 – 71:01)

• On prophecy cycles and archetypes:
  • “Prophecy works in archetypes. There’s nothing new under the sun.” (61:35, Gans)
  • “Are we closer to the End? Or will this all blow over, repeat in 200 years with better tech?” (72:55, Co-host)
  • “Endurance comes from following the faith Christ gives us, not what we generate ourselves.” (78:31, Basil)

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8. Spiritual Warfare, Fifth Generation Warfare, & the Manufactured Christian Voting Bloc

(81:11 – 87:17)

• On spiritual vs political battle:
  • “The world wants you to think DNA or political movements are the enemy. But defeating those does NOT defeat the true, cosmic rebellion at hand.” (95:01, Gans & Basil)
  • “If you haven’t studied the ‘ops’ that created modern America, start there: Episode 153, ‘Jesus versus the Spiritual Industrial Complex’ with Dr. Future.” (83:01, Basil)

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9. Alien Disclosure, AI, and the Interdimensional Threat

(97:13 – 113:38)

• Trump & the coming “disclosure”:
  • “Trump’s hinted at declassifying extraterrestrial info—could set the stage for a tech/AI revelation rather than ‘alien’ disclosure.” (99:08, Gans)
  • “All signs point toward interdimensional, not interstellar, beings being the gateway to the most elaborate, convincing deception the devil’s ever done.” (105:52, Basil)
  • “For Christians, there’s nothing to disclose! Interdimensionality is our worldview—it’s just getting painted with sciencey words.” (105:52, Basil)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We got put in timeout for cyberbullying Bill Gates…that deserves an award on a shelf.”
  — Basil, (05:28)
• “There are so many obvious, concrete connections between biblical prophecy and the events happening right around us. You don’t need to be a Christ follower to see it.”
  — Basil, (13:13)
• “What you’re asking for, when you ask God for wisdom, is the suffering that brings wisdom.”
  — Basil, (30:34)
• “If you truly seek the heart of God…the Holy Spirit will work on you and these things will be revealed in time.”
  — David, (50:18)
• “True relationship with Christ is the inoculation for the great deception.”
  — Basil, (52:25)
• “There’s always an effort to make some group the ultimate bad guy. The enemy’s behind it; it’s spiritual.”
  — David, (96:37)
• “Expert counterfeiters have to know the real thing inside and out. Same with the devil—he’s read the Bible longer than you have.”
  — Gans, (54:09)

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Fun & Whimsy

• Googly eyes: Basil wears googly eyes on camera, symbolizing the surreal fun they bring to heavy topics (124:21).
• Running jokes about “cemetery school” (seminary), “acidy Jew” t-shirts, and the irreverent but loving banter which lightens the mood.
• “There’s a lot of humor in the Bible—Elijah taunting the prophets of Baal. God himself laughs (Psalm 2:4)!” (125:09, Gans/Basil)

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10. Podcasting, Friendship, and Joy Amidst the Madness

(116:48 – 126:20)

• “You have to keep having fun…There’s something holy about thinking together.” (119:20, Basil)
• “When things get overwhelming, our impulse is to laugh at the absurdity—otherwise, we’d all be curled up in a ball crying.” (121:07, Gans)
• “Sometimes God sends you a guy with googly eyes.” (124:21, David)

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11. Where to Find Canary Cry

• Podcasts:
  • Canary Cry Radio, long-form interviews and theology
  • Canary Cry News Talk, twice-weekly headlines & analysis
  • Available on all major podcast apps
• Social:
  • X/Twitter: @FaceLikeTheSun (Gans), @Basil_Rosewater
• YouTube: Search “Face Like The Sun,” “Age of Deceit,” "Canary Cry"

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:34 — Gans introduces himself, Age of Deceit goes viral
• 05:28 — Basil: “Timeout for cyberbullying Bill Gates”
• 07:01 — Fringe guests go mainstream on Tucker & Candace
• 10:42 — David: “Tucker talks Nephilim, we get a boost”
• 13:13 — Basil: “Obvious connections between prophecy and our world”
• 43:24 — Basil: “If you build on [public figure] and they fall, where are you left?”
• 52:25 — Basil: “Only inoculation for deception is Christ”
• 75:02 — Basil: “Friction is on purpose—Christ doesn’t call us to avoid uncomfortable topics, but to endure and face them”
• 95:01 — Gans & Basil: Spiritual warfare over earthly conflicts
• 99:03 — Gans: “Trump may disclose technologies—not just aliens”
• 105:52 — Basil: “No disclosure needed; Christianity’s already interdimensional”
• 116:48 — “Most important question: are you having fun?”; hosts reflect on friendship, fun, and meaning

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FINAL TAKEAWAYS

• Trust Christ, Not Public Figures or Institutions: Earnest faith and personal relationship with Jesus, not mere cultural Christianity, is “the rock.”
• Discerning the Great Deception: Only intimate knowledge of Christ inoculates against compelling counterfeits, whether political, technological, or supernatural.
• Endure and Stay Joyful: Humor and camaraderie are God-given tools for navigating an often dark and absurd world—laughter is strength, not sin.
• We Are All in This Together: Even fringe podcasts play a role in someone’s journey to the truth; we are all “vessels,” never the destination.
• All Roads Lead to a Battle Beyond the World: Whether the topic is Zionism, New Age Christianity, or aliens, the battle is spiritual—Ephesians 6:12.

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“There’s a lot of humor in the Bible…The Lord, enthroned in heaven, laughs. So either you cry or laugh about this stuff—and bringing joy is important.”
— Gans (125:09)

“Sometimes God sends you a guy with googly eyes.”
— David Lee Corbo (124:21)

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Transcript

[David Lee Corbo]

What do you think makes the perfect snack? Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Could you be more specific?

[David Lee Corbo]

When it's cravinient.

[Gans]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo]

Like a freshly baked cookie made with.

[Basil]

Real butter available right down the street.

[Gans]

At a.m. p.m. Or a savory breakfast.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sandwich I can grab in just a second at a.m. p.m.

[Basil]

I'm seeing a pattern here. Well yeah, we're talking about what I.

[David Lee Corbo]

Crave which is anything from AM PM what more could you want?

[Basil]

Stop by AM PM where the snacks.

[David Lee Corbo]

And drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience too much good stuff.

[Basil]

Hey this is Sarah. Look I'm standing out front of a.m. p.m. Right now and well you're sweet and all but I found something more fulfilling. Even kind of cheesy. But I like it.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Sure you met some of my dietary.

[Basil]

Needs but they've just got it all.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

So farewell oatmeal.

[Basil]

So long you strange soggy.

[David Lee Corbo]

Break up with bland breakfast and taste.

[Basil]

AM PM's bacon, egg and cheese biscuit.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Made with cage free eggs, smoked bacon.

[David Lee Corbo]

And melty cheese on a buttery biscuit. AM P M. Too much good stuff.

[Gans]

Coming to my studio productions.

[Basil]

Foreign.

[David Lee Corbo]

Welcome back ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is top lobster, the father of disinformation and we are guaming at you live lapping from the standard coffee shop and casino in Lady Lake Florida. You guys should come by and hang out. We just hung out with even more people. What a wild decision decision that we've made is hey let's put a studio responsible. It's a little irresponsible. I'm having fun though guys. If you're looking for a way to Support the show Patreon.com/forge/Nepilim Death Squad is a good way to do it. You can see my thighs on camera here. You get early access to episodes. Engage in the live chat because the.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Only people we we actually aggravated a lot of people with how we rank things if this is a Christian show. But we ranked Thanksgiving foods which is a pagan holiday. I think that's what is it called Sam Hein.

[David Lee Corbo]

I don't know really never heard the word delicious though. And it really made me want Thanksgiving food. I can go for some sweet potatoes.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

It really made me want some Thanksgiving food something.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah some of it was not good. I don't like whatever. Red jello, green salad.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

We have great guests today.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well hold on a second. We Got to tell people. Bohemian Grove.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

You can also get the tickets.

[David Lee Corbo]

It might not happen. I don't know where it's gonna happen if it does happen. But you can get those tickets first over on patreon.com desquad as well as discount codes off of merchandise from top lobster.com, which top does not have pulled up. So we won't show you.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I mean, do you really want to do this?

[David Lee Corbo]

I would like to show we're supposed do plugs. We're a professional show that does plugs. All right, Come and get your merch from top lobster.com. you can get Top Lobster's dog, man. Should we still keep selling the acidic Jew shirt?

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Probably not.

[David Lee Corbo]

Does anybody buy that one?

[Basil]

No.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, I don't know who's gonna wear acidic Jew out in public.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Great.

[David Lee Corbo]

Guest today is Gonz and Basil of Canary Cry Radio. Guys, let's. Let's introduce yourselves. Like I said, we have a lot of fans that wanted to have this happen, and so I'm glad that we're making it happen. Let's start with G. Tell everybody a little bit about where they can find you and what it is that you guys do.

[Gans]

All right. Well, my name is Gans. I started the Face like the sun ministry back in 2011. It was a website that turned into a YouTube channel. And I published a documentary called Age of Deceit, Fallen Angels and the New World Order. And it went semi viral. 4, 5, 6 million views or something at this point. And in 2012.

Ran into Basil. Actually, we were working back to back in a church. We were both on the tech team. I was doing audio, he was doing video. We'd walk into the same room, not talk to each other, do our business, and then. And go away. And it was a. I think it was like a Bible study at some point that we found out that we have similar interests, and we started talking about different things, and we're like, hey, we should start a podcast, because we've been talking about this stuff anyway. And so we did that, and so we published our first episode on. I think it was March 2012, was the first episode of Canary Cry Radio, and we've been doing it ever since. We spun up Canary Cry news talk in 2016, and, yeah, it all came crashing down in 2021 when all of the channels got suspended indefinitely. But we. We got it all back.

[Basil]

Right.

[Gans]

Thanks, Trump.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, there you go. I'm glad that you guys got it back.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Did you get suspended for specifically? You guys are talking politics or say.

[David Lee Corbo]

It again right now.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

So that we get on our channel.

[Basil]

One of them specifically. There's. We've gone through several different sort of bannings. I mean, you get. You get put on timeout like, two or three times before you actually lose the channel. And we've lost, like, three channels and gained them back. So like a total of 10 times, you know, 10 different reasons. But. But my favorite was we got put in timeout for cyber bullying Bill Gates.

[Gans]

That was a good one.

[David Lee Corbo]

That was a nice one, dude. That deserves, like, an award on a shelf.

[Basil]

Yeah. It wasn't even like, medical misinformation. You know, we got that stuff.

[Gans]

We got those a lot.

[Basil]

We got everything.

[David Lee Corbo]

But, yeah, those happened.

[Basil]

But the cyber bullying Bill Gates was the funniest one, in my opinion.

[David Lee Corbo]

I love that. Well, all right, before we go any further, Basil, please tell us a little bit about you. It's funny, there are kindred spirits of yours. Audio video in the church.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Oh, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo]

Isn't that interesting? Tell us about yourself before we get started, brother.

[Basil]

Yeah, no worries. Like I said, worked in the church there with gans back in 2012, back when, like, it was totally. It still blows my mind. Like, I was the big conspiracy theorist, my friend group. And it was because I was telling everybody that Facebook is watching everything you do.

Every post Facebook. And of course, I was like, the craziest guy. Right. So it was a totally different world kind of getting into. You'll see if you go back and look at Canary Cry Radio on Apple podcasts, other places. Our first three episodes were like, you know, Internet tracking, the Utah data center, and like, Obamacare, eugenics got a little transhumanism.

[Gans]

Yeah.

[Basil]

And like, that was just wild. And now, you know, I'm happy, but also a little bit weirded out that we live in a world that all those topics are just mainstream now.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

They're spoken about by Candace Owens.

[Basil]

Yeah, right, Exactly.

[Gans]

Yeah, yeah. Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson, point by point, all of our episodes for the last 15 years in a couple of interviews, which is crazy.

[Basil]

Oh, yeah. Seeing our early guests, who again, themselves were just like early weirdos. Biblical prophecy scholars, you know, these that couldn't. You couldn't find them anywhere. Just the fringiest podcasts. And now they're going on Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens. I mean, it's really fun to watch. Very happy for him. Look, God bless. Wherever God wants us to be, we're gonna be there. Who wants all that attention and trouble anyways? But, you know, it's. It's just kind of weird that way. And the fun part for me is I will never do anything in my life or career that won't be totally overshadowed by the success of Gonza's Age of Deceit film.

[Gans]

I still don't think it's true, but.

[Basil]

You know, I feel, I'm just so grateful for that. You know, I'm here to support God's age of deceit. 1, 2, 3, 4. Go check him out. You know, we, we still love getting the messages from people like, yo, I watched Age of deceit in 2012 and it brought me to Christ and it changed my life. Like, bro, that movie's like 14 years old. I cannot believe that it's still being so impactful. So very proud of my buddy Guns. Happy to support him. I've of course gone through several, several rounds of side projects that our community is, you know, this is a nice little niche community. But the fun part is looking around and seeing guys like you and other people really putting in the work and making stuff happen that we're just, you know, so amazed to be in this timeline.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's a weird place to be though.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I got a question right off the bat. So you guys met in church? You still go into the same church together?

[Gans]

No, no, no, we've moved on.

[Basil]

Yeah, it was, it was interesting. It was this kind of big mega church. Not to whole rabbit trail out of it, but you know, we were both working for this big mega church which is basically like working for a corporation. At one point, like, like you mentioned we did. We wouldn't even talk to each other. We worked in the same room. And it wasn't until like what was.

[Gans]

Was a weekly, it was Bible meeting.

[Basil]

Yeah, it was a tech meeting for the tech crew. And somehow, you know, this, the very corporate church folk were like, should we address the Occupy Wall street movement going on? And it was, I can't even. It was either Gonz or I. And we're like, yeah, but what about the Nephilim or something like that?

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Amen.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's awesome.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I can imagine. Not well received, huh?

[Basil]

Yeah, no, we were the weirdos. But anyways, we don't need to keep telling that story. But it's a long story short. No, we're not with that church anymore. God bless them though. They're doing great. Still.

[David Lee Corbo]

It is a, It's a weird time to be. You guys have been doing it for a long time. Our show, we just passed the, the two year mark. But I've been an unhinged. I was at Occupy Wall street, you know, when I was a kid and I've been into conspiracies for a really long time, and I. I got to admit, I don't think it was ever in my, like, my bingo card that one day this would be pretty well regarded, widely received by a giant swath of the general public. And that, you know, you'd have people like Candace Owens or Tucker Carlson talking about the Nephilim. Right? Like, that was a weird moment to see, and for us in particular, was really weird because we started a show called Nephilim Death Squad, and only a few months later, I mean, it really worked to our advantage in regards to the algorithm for Tucker Carlson to be talking about those things, but it was like, dude, I thought that I was, like, doing something a little fringy, you.

[Basil]

Know what I mean?

[David Lee Corbo]

And then all of a sudden, good old Tucker Carlson with a mouthful of Zinn is. Is talking about the Nephilim with Roseanne Barr, and I'm going, all right, I guess we'll just stop. Yeah, no, I don't know what to do.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

No, we didn't stop.

[Basil]

No, no, you guys did great. And by the way, just, you know, podcaster to podcaster, you guys absolutely nailed the branding. Love it, love the logo, love the vibe, everything. Somebody might think that this sounds sarcastic or something, but totally not totally on board.

[David Lee Corbo]

Thank you very much, dude.

[Basil]

And you've been nailing it ever since you started, what, 2023?

[David Lee Corbo]

I guess so. Yeah. It would have been October when. When we decided to make this thing go, and we didn't really know what the heck we were doing. We just knew that we believed in God and. And really wanted to talk about the supernatural in particular. And then, you know, mix that up with some consp. And then we found that we had a comedic bone that was nearly to our detriment, but. But, you know, that was it. That was the whole formula. It wasn't really anything profound. And, yeah, I mean, you know, I had this notion in the beginning that we were going to, like, enter this community of, you know, schizo content creators, and then I realized pretty quickly, like, oh, we're all schizo. So this is actually a little bit harder than it looks, because as soon as you find any modicum of success, whatever that even means, it's like, who was previously your schizo friend is now your. Your fed suspector. Right? They're like, no way, dude. I don't believe that. This is so. Yeah, man, it's been a. It's been a wild ride, a strange one. But I guess that's what we signed up for. Right.

[Basil]

Yeah. Well, and just to kind of, you know, give you guys some confirmation and for what really has blown my mind lately. And I imagine that a lot of your audience can, you know, can kind of empathize or identify with this. When we started doing what we were doing in 2012, we actually.

Recorded the first few episodes of our podcast in the church that we were working at on church equipment. Technically, during work hours, we were given a green light.

[Gans]

We were given a green light to do it. So it's not like we just did it behind the backs of our.

[Basil]

Okay, Gantz. Look, it's. The statute of limitations is over. We may have been doing it on work hours. I don't know.

[Gans]

I don't remember as long I clocked out. I don't know about you, but I.

[Basil]

Remember what broke our heart really early on is about episode two, three, four, something like that. We got a knock on the door, and our manager, our boss at the time.

More or less, long story short, said, look, what you guys are doing with this podcast is not kingdom work. So we can't let you do it here. We can't let you use the time and equipment. You got to figure something out. This isn't, you know, for the kingdom. And, you know, that was, at the time, kind of devastating to us a little bit. But, you know, we're young. We're like, screw these guys. Okay? We're going to keep going. We're going to make it happen. But what's been really incredible, especially in the time that we're in now, is watching just how important to the kingdom of God, just how many people found their way to Christ, specifically through conspiracy theories, through authoritarian skepticism, through the nephilim, through biblical prophecy. You know, there's an aspect that you can get into these sort of topics without necessarily, like, giving your life to Christ, just out of interest, just out of, you know, almost a sort of, you know, the conspiracy entertainment in a way, because there are so many obvious, concrete connections between biblical prophecy and the events happening right around us. Nobody can deny it. And you don't even have to be a Christ follower to put in the work and look at Bible prophecy and the connection. You go, actually, hold the phone. Wait a second. And the amount of stories we hear now of people who, you know, we. We right now have people messaging us like, hey, you know, I'm an atheist, or I'm agnostic, and. But I just love what you guys are doing, and I think you guys are on to some things. And we also get stories of, like, Hey, I found you guys in 2016. I ended up giving my heart to the Lord in 2018. And God bless. This has nothing to do with us, but we're in this weird timeline which is just how kind of God works the most unexpected backwards. You know, the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God. Right? And so the idea that these super hyper fringe topics that have all the weight of the tech establishments, the narrative establishment, the government establishment coming down on these topics to silence, you know, ridicule, to call them right wing terrorists or whatever they want to call it, it's because there's something powerful about these topics that not only opens people's eyes to what's going on in the world, you begin to be able to look at the news and see past the veil and, you know, understand what's going on, but also inevitably be led to Christ. Because that's just how the universe is set up. It's just inevitable that that happens. So, you know, being old timers that we like to think of ourselves now, on one hand it's like mind blowing that we're here, but on the other hand we just see an amazing movement going on. Specifically, you know, guys like you and other people in the space, like you say this get so posters. So, you know, our minds are just blowing every day. We're just so grateful for them.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

This, it's, it's funny. It's kind of like Blockbuster missing the opportunity of getting Netflix. When they presented, they're like, that's never going to go anywhere.

[Gans]

Yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Like this is not of the kingdom. It's like, okay, we'll do something else. So we ended up picking up Matt Hepner, who's just a straight up G, and we're doing a, a deep dive Bible study on the book of Jude, which is something that you're not going to hear preached at a mega church, talking about these men making merchandise of their, of their flock, their how they've taken God's word and turned it into lasciviousness. And it's like, okay, let's talk about that. Let's go through the scripture because this is stuff that you can't talk about. But here we have this platform and we're going to do it anyway. And I don't know, I don't know how to feel about the modern day church. We still go, we go to a 501C3 establishment and they're very nice people. I like it. But there is a place for that and there's a place for whatever we're Doing here?

[Basil]

Yeah.

[Gans]

Yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I feel like they might be in. They might be in contention with each other right now. They shouldn't be, but by its nature, they will be. So we're gonna see what happens. But, like, whatever. I'm just. We're gonna read the Bible and.

[Basil]

Yeah, right on. Now. I mean, yeah, like we said, we. I was born in a Christian family. My mother and father were pastors. Gans has a different story, came to Christ in his adult age. So we have kind of those two different experiences. I, you know, part of the. The part that, I don't know, I kind of end up having a little bit of an attempt to balance these technically kind of really drastic views of things. But, you know, because of how I was raised, because of my parents, you know, I was in church leadership for pretty much my entire life, either from just being in the worship band or being on the tech team or being some sort of associate pastor, you know, forever. So I kind of have this idea of.

You know, the difficulties, the weirdness, the. The practicalities, the pragmatism of like the 501C3 church establishments, especially in America, kind of like having to run like a business, unfortunately. And there's a lot of places for that, you know, and it. It's one way that we. That human beings have attempted to build a container for the big sea church, you know, God's church, the people of God, to have a time to come together to try to figure out this body of Christ family thing on earth. And it goes wrong all the time, and there's so many bad things about it. And at the same time, you know, I try to recommend people try to at least find.

A body around, like, find a group of Christians. Doesn't have to be a church. Could be you just gather and who knows, worst case scenario, you could just make some friends in a podcast, you know, and you do that in person, I think would be better. But yeah, you know, it's a huge. It's one of the biggest problems that I think Christians or Christ followers or whatever you want to call yourself have today is finding this balance between, like, okay, the established traditions of Christendom and having these ways of being with one another at the same time, understanding, like, yeah, it's just another kind of creation of man and it's going to go bad 100% of the time. Just depends on when and in what way. And it's a good opportunity to figure out how to have some grace for other human beings, which is not an easy thing to do.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

But it has its moments of brilliance. I have behind gone. So I. I'm. I'm a guitar player as well, and I met my wife playing.

[Basil]

My wife.

Don'T do that good, man.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I met my wife playing guitar in the church that I got kicked out of. A year. Whatever. It's a long time.

[Gans]

It happens. We've been kicked out of tribe. Been kicked out of churches too, so.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Hell yeah.

We meet Matt, and Matt's very much like. He's like, Man. 501C3. What does he call it? Cemetery school.

[David Lee Corbo]

Cemetery school, yeah. Like puns or bad puns?

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Like, I hear you, brother, but, like, I can't. For me, I'm giving it a second chance because I know that I messed up the first time with. With the whole church thing, and I think it's a good avenue. Like. Like you just said, Basil, there's a good avenue for people to explore this idea because they're coming at it from all different directions. I used to do a racist comedy show. Somehow we had people come into the shop just today. Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah, we're here because we like Tower Gang. And then it led us to NDS and that. That leads us to Christ. And I was like, all right, you know, whatever. That's the path.

But the moments of brilliance that the 501C3 church does have, I. I've experienced it personally in the worship, and it's like, yeah, sure. It's like five songs and a sermon, and it's like, you know, basic worship music with a hook and a chorus, and a lot of the songs are the same. But what do you. What do you think about that? Specifically Gonzo? Because I. I'm assuming you play in church. If you're a tech guy, you got those. Okay. You're probably running.

Axe effects. Are you running the three?

[Gans]

I have a. I'm looking at my. My boss GT1000 pedal for all my stuff. I. I actually just took on a job as a worship leader at my church, so.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Nice.

[Gans]

Yeah, so that. That was a big step for me. But, yeah, you know, it's. It's interesting. You guys bring up a lot of. Of good points because the. I'm at a Lutheran church, and I don't really consider myself a Lutheran, but we like kind of the. The mix between the traditional type of service and now I'm leading the contemporary service, and the people are just amazing. You know, it's all about the connection with the people and the fellowship. And I think being Internet personalities, if you will, and talking about things these things on the Internet. It has been a, a catalyst to meet a bunch of people and to connect with people all over the world, believers all over the world who are interested in similar topics. But the in person thing is huge, right? So you got to still have that in person connection with people, with your local community. And you know, I, I, there were periods where me and my wife went through different types of understanding of scripture, if you will. Nothing heretical, but just, you know, different flavors of traditions. And we came to the point where we're like, you know, if we want fellowship, we're going to have to just accept that people are going to disagree with us on certain things. But as long as the core thing is the core thing, I think we can break bread and have fellowship with them and do church, do life together in the local community. And the other part of it that I, that I think most people underestimate when they're like church shopping or whatever, you know, I don't know what terms people use now, but if they're looking for a church to find and you know, usually you're looking for a pastor, you like that theology that you may agree with or whatever, but you know, it, it's, if you are stepping into a church and nobody knows about the topics that you know about from scripture, you can be that light, you can start those small groups, you can be the one to actually facilitate this knowledge. And now you have a bunch of believers who are diving into scripture and are fired up about stuff that they've probably never even thought about. You know, there's a, our drummer is, is a little bit older than I am and he, he grew up in like the late 80s 90s, right. So he's like metal guy and he's, he has a real rough time playing some of the music because a lot of the modern contemporary stuff is a lot more like Toms and you know, it's a lot more like dynamics and building and yeah, there's a lot of like dynamic stuff. And he just wants to, to hit those, those crash in the hi hat really hard. But even him, you know, I asked him like, hey, do you know about the Nephilim? And he was like, oh, kind of, yeah, I've heard about it. Yeah. And when I started to do my whole rant about Genesis 6 and the Nephilim and all that, he was like, oh, this is all in the Bible. And I was like, yeah, dude, this is all there. And so people might know about nephilim and certainly it's a topic that has gotten way More popular in the last couple years, but still, people don't really know. They haven't done the deep dive. So you can be that person in church, that weirdo. But once you strike a conversation at a small group or some church event or something like that, you'd be surprised at how people are open to the topic and will are willing to learn and dive into scripture with you.

[Basil]

So you'll find weirdos. You'll find. You'll find.

[Gans]

Yeah, you'll find them.

[Basil]

They're there.

[Gans]

Don't pass up those opportunities.

[David Lee Corbo]

You got to look for the weirdo.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

This is what I'm doing. This is like, I just started. I'm very tentative about volunteering into, like, what, you know, the music and all that stuff. But I'm like. I help with the sound room. Something passive. I'll help with, you know, lighter stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've seen you, and you have the audio video guy, and you're like. I'm like, tell him crazy things every once in a while. See how he reacts.

[Basil]

Yeah, it always starts. It always starts in the sound room or the tech department. It always does. It's whether they're the volunteers or their employees. You know, the people who are wearing all black and carrying the cameras and turning the knots, they're the ones who have, like, the time and the. The lights are dimmed so they can, like. You know, they feel like they. They can talk about this. You whisper crazy crap to each other.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Like, did you know that. Did you know that Elijah had, like, super strength to run?

[David Lee Corbo]

He ran faster than chariots.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Did you hear about that?

[David Lee Corbo]

It's kind of crazy, right? Anyway, well, like, I love what you guys are saying, though, because I had this little. I wouldn't call it an epiphany, but it was like. You might call it, like, a small voice that kind of dropped this on me while I was in church. And I was like, I just started going to this church. I don't have a history of going to church. I really like the pastor. I know that he's planning on retiring soon. And I said to myself, you know, as we're going through the motion episode.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Will go to whatever we're supposed to do.

[Basil]

I like this guy. Good. Somebody needs to hear this here.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Somebody might need to hear this. So as I'm sitting there and they're going through the music, and something came up about the pastor retiring. I said to myself, well, I don't know if I'm a big fan of the other pastor, and if other pastors gonna come in am I gonna keep coming here? I don't know if I'm gonna keep coming here. And then I kind of had this notion about like, well, what do I get from this? And then I had this follow up notion that almost felt like a response. And it was like, what about what you have to offer? You know, like, what about your contribution to the body of Christ? What about your contribution to all of these people that are standing around you? Maybe the church, which my church is predominantly like 90 year olds, you know. Yeah, maybe they need a guy like me. Maybe they need a guy like you.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

They're closer to the veil.

[David Lee Corbo]

They see some things sometimes. So, you know, I just think that that's interesting because it's like, yeah, what, maybe you can be that crazy guy who, who has a little piece of the puzzle that they're not going to talk about instead of, in other words, instead of sitting back and being like, they don't talk about this at church, maybe you should go to church and talk about this.

[Basil]

That's what it's all about. I mean, that is what a life of following Christ is. You know, there's a lot of misconceptions about what that is. And you know what I love? I do a show, Canary Cry Clubhouse on Thursdays. It's a live show, a little bit smaller but with our, you know, it's for the Canary Cry family. We do call ins and things like that. And there's this fella, I hope I'm remembering his name right. I think his name was James. If it wasn't James, I apologize for forgetting your name, but I think it was James. You know, he told a story about how he again started getting into this kind of thing in 2016. Wasn't a Christian, became a Christian as a result of these sorts of things is finding out that a life of following Christ, it kind of is like a bit of a crusade. Like things don't get easier. There generally is like a honeymoon period, you know, when finding Christ. But then you realize that, oh, you know, taking up our own cross and you know, we've. The enemy suddenly sees you as an enemy and you start fighting these bad. You know, there really is this sort of like kind of crusader kind of vibe that happens when you start, you know, walking in sort of this, this path of righteousness and power and redemption and things start coming against you. And in James's story, which I think he totally nailed it part you go around looking for a church and none of the churches are fun or they're all lame or they're not teaching Genesis 6 or they're all old or whatever it is. But as a new Christian getting baptized, immediately dove in to participation with the church volunteering. He became a deacon. He started teaching this, you know, little Bible study and, and is just totally transforming. Not the church is the, the 501C3. It's little C. Church is beginning to be shaped by him as the new generation becoming what he needed it to be. And you know, on the other side of it, the, the sort of big sea church, the broader body of Christ, you know, is coming up around him. And that's what the life is all about, man. I mean that's what you. We've all had our dalliances with sort of the secular motivations of life and the hedonism and the fun and the parties and the girls and the this and that. And there's an inbuilt sort of disappointment in that. I believe that's where the enemy really feeds off of those who, you know, we, we all spend a period of time really diving into all the wonderful things that life has to offer and.

Fulfilling all of our desires as best we can and inevitably end up empty. And then we find Christ and we think, ah, now everything will make sense. Now everything will be easy. Now everything. And there's a saying that's really important to me now because it just was a very difficult time in life the past couple of years. But a very wise person told me this and he says, be careful when you ask God for wisdom because what you're asking for is the suffering that brings wisdom. And that's really what the. I mean, that is why a sort of Christ following life is a bit of a warrior lifestyle, is a bit of a, you know, make, make it happen. You know, fight your battles both inside and outside because yeah, you, you run into friction in this world that wouldn't be there if you didn't follow Christ. But through that friction, iron sharpens iron. We become, you know, more perfect. We become more Christ. Christ like. And with that, same with the people around us. So, you know, just any encouragement out there to any of your listeners or there's any people, and if, if you're atheist and agnostic, that's great, you know, just keep doing what you're doing, man. You don't need to change. God's got his eye. God's doing his thing. I am not worried about anybody who, you know, has a problem with me talking about Christ because, you know, it's not my job, it's God's job. And inevitably, you know, people out there in spaces like this.

Are dealing with these exact things and I just want them to know that they are not alone going through those things. We've all done it. We all are constantly doing it. And you know, even just coming back to spaces like this, I mean, you're, you're on the path, man. Like, you're good. Just keep doing what you're doing.

[David Lee Corbo]

I also want to say dalliance, brief or casual involvement with something.

[Basil]

Yeah, thank you there.

[David Lee Corbo]

Because I had to look that up. I watched this for me and for.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Everybody else that he said that, right?

[David Lee Corbo]

He said dalliances. And I said, what a fantastic word. I've never heard that in my life. And I got it. I literally have to Google you understand.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

He'S going to butcher this going forward.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, I'm going to say dalliances all the time.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

That's not how you say it.

[David Lee Corbo]

It sounds like a dance.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Well, thanks a lot.

[David Lee Corbo]

Basil sounds wonderful. It's basil. Basil is a plant. I do want to say. So I want to get your opinion on something because we're talking about what, what Christ does in your, in your life, more or less. Right? I mean that's, that's kind of the, the thousand foot overview. And, and you know, right now we will. Earlier in the show we talked about how conspiracy will lead people to Christ. And, and something I always like to attribute to Sam Tripley is he has this, this quote where he says conspiracy will lead you to spirituality and spirituality will always lead you to Jesus. I'm kind of paraphrasing, but like, that's it. If you're really being earnest and you're seeking the truth, you, in my opinion, you're always going to come to that conclusion. It's just whether or not you have hang ups on the way there because maybe you have some, I don't know, MK Ultra programming from, you know, Western Civilization or whatever, whatever your bag is. Maybe you were raised in the church and it left you burned. That's everybody's story, right? And so I, I love that too. I'll say to people like, oh, you know, have you ever considered, have you considered God? And they'll go, I went to the, I was, I, I was forced to go to church when I was younger.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

And I go, aw, your parents forced.

[David Lee Corbo]

You to go to church? I mean, there's, you know, a lot of other horrifying things you could be forced to do, but either way, you know, that's fine. So right now we're experiencing this big.

Not Resurgence, but emergence of peripheral conspiracy awareness. And based off of what we said, that should lead you to spirituality, which should lead you to Christ.

And we also know that that's a slower process for others. It was a slow process for me. You know, I, I can't sit up here and act like I've always known and been a follower of Christ. Like I was a conspiracy theorist for a long time before I ever. So in other words, I was a. For a long time I wouldn't see this thing. I wasn't allowing to see this thing as viable or true. So if it does take some people longer to get there, and we're in this moment where a lot of people are asking these questions and then, you know, you have the situation with Charlie Kirk and you can think of that as however you'd like. But the fact of the matter is it has created some sort of a renaissance of sorts within Christianity. And that's great, but there's also a lot of stumbling blocks on the way there. And so people right now, what I see, and I wonder if you guys are seeing this, are, are glomming onto a version of Christianity that is inaccurate. I was guilty of it myself for a time. I wasn't hyper passionate in my being wrong. But I realize now, if you go back some time, my vision of what it was to follow Christ wasn't accurate. And it's getting refined as time goes on. I fear a lot of people are in that right now. Are you guys seeing that and what are your thoughts on that?

[Basil]

Dude, it is crazy that you're bringing that up. That is like a huge part of our conversations, you know, generally about what we're doing, what we do next. What's this new phase of history that we're moving into? What is it? What, what's called for, you know. And you know, again, on one hand, you kind of alluded to it a little bit, like, we promise we'll talk about the crazy stuff. Like, we promise we'll talk about aliens. We promise we'll talk about conspiracy.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm a master seguer and I'm working us there. Trust me, we're gonna do it.

[Basil]

I have total trust in you guys. Like, that's what being a good guest is. It's trusting. But I want the, the audience to know, you know, that we deal with this all the time because we see the exact same thing. You know, between Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, Catholicism, Candace Owens, all this stuff. More people than ever are identifying with Christianity in a way. And there's even good Things that all these people say that, you know, you. I have to give them credit once in a while for saying something that isn't totally ludicrous. But, you know, for PE there, we have hit this period in time where people realize we're far enough down, thanks to Covet, I believe we're far enough down that enough people are far enough down the rabbit hole fast enough to where we're getting to that point of like, oh, yeah, the news, the government, the elites, the education system, everybody have one thing in common and they hate Jesus. It's the one thing that everybody agrees on. It doesn't matter if it's social justice or if it's this or that. They all have one thing in common, and that is a hate of Jesus Christ. And most people have gone through a lifetime of programming, even just from very simple Disney shows or whatever, where the Christian's the bad guy and, you know, the exclusivity of Christ is just so mean and nasty, blah, blah, blah. And we all come to, you know, everybody seems at once we're coming to the realization of like, oh, oh, there's one thing that truly is the way of a skeptic. There's one thing that's truly anti authoritarian or anti establishment, and that's faith in Jesus Christ. Okay, and, and this is great. And it's opened up a lot of doors at the same time. Yes, a lot of people. And Tucker Carlson's a great example because he himself will say, I wasn't always a Christian. I'm not a good Christian. I don't know anything about Christianity, you know, but Christianity is good. And I consider myself a Christian. And people will, especially people who are just coming to this knowledge. Oh, well, Tucker is a Christian. I should listen to what he has to say. Well, he's already admitted that he isn't the guy to pay attention to when it comes to this. Well, one alternative is Nick Fuentes, who's very confident in his Catholicism. And, you know, there's obviously a lot of weaving to do with Nick Fuentes and in all sorts of ways. And sometimes Gans and I'll sit back and be like, I don't even know what to talk about, like, what to do. Like all the crazy stories everybody is covering, every single crazy story, everybody's covering every single thing. Like, are we just going to cover the same thing that Tucker just covered? We probably should. If we cared about numbers, if we cared about the quantifiable success that is being an online person. But what we feel very strongly is just like Ah, there has to be some earnest focus and sanity when it comes to some very basic learning about Christ, learning about Christianity. And in a way, I mean, God help us, we kind of feel as guys who have been doing it for so long and strictly, you know, in the Christian space.

You know, we started right after a classic show called Future Quake. Future Quake was like, they're the. He is the grandfather of, like, fringe Christian conspiracy theorists, you know, Bible prophecy. He is the man. And Dr. Future was the guy's name. We've had him on the show. Lovely individual. And he stopped his show right before we started. So in a way, we felt sort of very. I don't know, we stand on the shoulders of giants. And it's really easy when our focus is on success as podcasters or success as Internet personalities or whatever, to kind of not lean into the. The Christness that is the most important. Where are we going in this world? What's coming next? What, you know, we're in this weird phase. What does the next one look like? Does the dystopian beast system surveillance state take over and CBDC's lock us in a panopticon of digital, you know, prison that none of us can escape and drones will fly through our window and blow our brains out if we. Whatever. Possibly. But what's most important in that case are we. Do we need to just talk about whatever Tucker's talking about, or do we just really find a way to focus on really what Christ is doing, really what Christ can do, what he's done for thousands of years, what that means in our personal lives. We'll talk about the nephilim, we'll talk about aliens. We'll talk about disclosure. You know, we've been talking about disclosure for 14 years now. God bless disclosure. You know, it's gonna be the.

It's gonna be the most elaborate, convincing deception that the devil's ever done. It's gonna be great, and it'll be fun to watch. But in the end, if we're not getting very serious about taking Christ very seriously, and I think that's what people want. That's the thing. Sorry, I'm sorry. I'm going off guns.

[Gans]

No, no, no, you're good, man.

[Basil]

Really. What's going on is a lot of people, when it comes to. Again, I'm just going to pick on Tucker and Candace and. And Nick Fuentes. They can take it there. Yeah, I'm gonna get cyber bullying. Tucker Carlson band.

You know, like, that is a huge part of what people want from those three. It's what they like from those three. You know, Jesus is king as Candace's. Owens. Candace Owens like, crusade that blew up into this whole thing. Same with Nick Fuentes. Like that taking Christ serious is what people want in the heart of hearts. All right? And when the version of taking Christ serious is. Is Tucker and Fuentes and. And Owens, God bless them. No judgment against their faith or their salvation. But the message that I think people are getting from them is not. They're not building their foundation on a rock. They're. They're building their foundation on the sand. And like the Bible says, that's obviously not a good idea because the tide will come out, sweep that out. You know, we already see this with Candace, the conversation around Candace. Again, not making any rough judgment or hard judgments about Candace, but the. What we see with Candace is whatever house she's built and, and whatever faith people are, are gleaning from her.

It looks now that it could be swept away. Oh, she's crazy. Oh, she's. She's gone off the deep end.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, she's talking about reptilian. She's talking.

[Basil]

She's an op, whatever it is. And if someone has sort of built their relationship with Christ, what they've learned from Candace, God bless her, once that foundation is torn out where you left. Oh, she was an op. Oh, she was. Or whatever. I don't, you know, I'm. I don't even know what she is, you know, but I think she's an op. But whatever. What does that mean for what I learned about Christ from her? What does that mean? And that always been the problem. That's even the problem in 501c3 churches. You know, the pastor has some sort of sex scandal, and now everybody is wondering not just like, well, what the heck am I doing here, but what about. What about that? I've built on the knowledge and pastoral ship of this person, you know, and so I high and I know people want it and they might not even know they want it, but there are places, there are people, there are groups, there are, you know, your. Your home church is one example, but also online, you know, maybe that podcast that isn't just replaying Tucker clips all the time and they're talking about kind of less exciting conspiracy theory stuff, or they're. They're digging into scripture or theology instead of the. The latest, whatever, Trump debacle or something. There's something there, but I think it. It's. We're still in that sort of transitionary phase. You know, the bottom will wash out Of. Of all these other places that people are gleaning or maybe starting their Christian journey on the bottom will wash out. It happens every time. I'm not even saying it as, you know, as some sort of direct criticism of them. We've seen it over and over and over. It's kind of the cycle, and that's part of building your faith. As someone who's been a Christian my literal entire life, never known a life outside of it. There you. The Christian life is filled with these cycles where whatever you. Whatever foundation you've been so confident on, and you hope it's Christ, but it's usually not. Whatever you have, it gets washed out every so often. It's like the economic cycle. It's like the bitcoin cycle. It's like. It's like everything, These. These cycles and we're left to rebuild. And my hope, my prayer is that not only us, but, you know, a whole network, guys like you, you know, and others. I don't want to start naming names because I'll forget names, but, you know, you get the point that there will be like a strong.

Foundation of. Albeit smaller, probably, than. Imagine being smaller than Candace Owens. You know, smaller, less influence, inflammatory, less showy, but still filled with, you know, a Christ like culture that people will, you know, we just got to push through, man. I'm sure you guys have felt it recently, too. There's a weird tide going in and out of even, like, quantifiable numbers of podcasts and things like that. There's this weird movement going on, and I think a lot of people are uneasy about what this means or. Or what comes next. But I have a lot of faith that not only people doing Kingdom work like we do, like you do.

Hopefully. I always have to ask myself if that's the case now, but, you know, that's what we're trying to do. That. That whatever the next phase is, that will be what God wanted. That's what God built it, you know, built up. So I kind of wish I had some big, bigger point to land on here from this.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

No, I think it's almost like you watched the previous episode with it. We just.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's weird. Yeah.

[Basil]

Yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I guess the show has a tendency to do that kind of thing where I just made that same rant. Not as good as you did, but I was just saying, like, hey, you know, a lot of people want to glom onto some sort of label, whether it's Republican, conservative, liberal, Democrat, whatever. Whatever it is.

I've never put a label on myself because I was like, I don't know, I just a little bit smarter, able to see into the future and be like, nah, nah, nah. Because these guys are infallible. This changes, these things are never the same. But the one label that I will put on myself is Christian and not in the sense of the church. And I'm like, well, how about you guys look at that label? If you're so eager to belong to something, why don't you belong to Christ? Why don't you do that? And I think it's in a stupid. But that's, that's basically what you just said right now. That's what came up in the previous show. It's like, ah, very interesting how this is, this is a theme that's coming up because yeah, people want, they want that label, they want that belonging to something or other. And you could be a groiper.

But that guy's a gay Mexican. Or you could follow Candace, who, you know, we had like, I, I like what she's doing. But I, I remember how you came up, Candace. You were building some sort of like geoengineered tracking device for your college classmates that would rat on them. That's where you came from. So we remember these things. I've done things in the past too, but I'm very suspicious. And she's, she's not Jesus Christ. Why are we looking at her? Interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

You know, but that's the point. The point is that you, if you fall, if you follow Candace Owens when she falls, you fall flat on your face. That's what Basil is saying.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

And then you're angry.

[Basil]

Yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Because now you're blaming her for something that you know. But I don't even know if she's trying to like, I guess, I guess these people are, they're trying to claim leadership over.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I would say at this point that's pretty obvious. But the antidote to that is following Christ. And I don't think that that just means in like this peripheral way. It's like something that I'm trying to understand and learn, which is like actually who is Christ? What is the character of God? You know, and building a relationship with God. Because I think we're in a time where we're being offered a lot of like God adjacent things, you know, things that maybe kind of resemble God. So we talk on this show pretty often about how you'll get a new age deception. And that to people like us seems pretty obvious. You know, I was joking around the other day because somebody posted a thing about how Jesus is A Pleiadian. And when he returns, he's going to return in a blue suit with silver boots. And if that's how Jesus returned, I would go, that's not Jesus, you know, because I know enough to know that. But the real threat is when something is like, close but no cigar, right? That's the real threat. And I think that's what we're getting from people. And I'm not saying that, that maybe she's an op. All these people that we mentioned, all the four mentioned characters with the huge following bases and everything, it's like, are they, are they pointing you in the direction of Christ or are they standing next to a straw man telling you.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Not to read the Bible?

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's a huge one, right? Nick Fuentes just does that. He goes, you got to lean on the church fathers in the church itself in order to understand it. Because, you know, interpretation of the Bible by way of fools is what's led to lesbian pastors and, you know, interesting conversation if you want to have it. But he's basically telling you, like, not to read the Bible, which I think is, is the exact opposite. I think if you truly seek the heart of God and you really want to know, and the Holy Spirit will work on you and, and these things will be revealed to you in time and, you know, you spend time. It's a personal relationship. If I want to have a personal relationship with you, Gonz, I don't go to, to Basel, right? And, and to strengthen my relationship with you, I go straight to you and I try to understand who you are. And I think that's the weird thing that we're getting is like, oh, Christianity's base. We've been told that it's not. There's the big lie, just like we said before, right? All the institutions and everything that seek our downfall have that thing in common. They hate Christ. So let's move towards. Maybe this is something. I don't know, I don't want to say anything super, but it's like, like, you know, are you moving towards Christianity as an institution or are you moving towards Jesus Christ?

[Basil]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo]

And I think there is a delineation there. There is a, a really important difference to highlight. So you're moving towards the church, but the church is a result of Christ. You should be moving towards Christ and then you become the church. And so, you know, right now I'm looking at this thing where it's like we spend a lot of time talking about, you know, big fake Pleiadian Jesus and we spend a lot of time talking about what the Antichrist will be, this likable thing that will be imitating Christ. But the, the real danger is something that is close but no cigar. And I feel like that's really what we're gearing up to get.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Great deception.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

We've all been, we came here to talk about aliens, I think that.

[Basil]

Great thing is. And guns I want you to pop in. But the, the, the amazing thing is, and this is something everybody has to remember is that, you know, true relationship with, with Christ is the inoculation for the great deception. There is true.

Unity relationship with Christ in his body. That is the only inoculation. The, the only way to lift the veil from the absolutely convincing counterfeit deception that is coming. And that comes in many forms. But without Christ, there is, there is no getting past it. This is clear. The Bible says it. The experience that we've had over the years is. And just as everybody is realizing like, oh, Christ is like the one thing, they hate him because he is the one way to move past, to see past, to survive the great deception, you know, and the, you know, alien disclosure obviously being a big part of that.

[Gans]

Yeah, well, I, I wanted to jump in because there's, there's a couple things you guys said a lot of stuff. I, I wanted to hop in a lot of times. But to start things off, you know, there's a, A chapter in Mark, I think Luke also Chapter 9.

[Basil]

It.

[Gans]

It's a passage about the disciples of Jesus and they are, they see somebody else casting out demons in Jesus's name. And they, they come up to Jesus and they're like, hey, hey, this guy is casting out demons in your name. But he's not one of us. Like, we need to put a stop to this. And Jesus says, no, you know, if he's. If do not forbid him. He who's not against us is for us. And so there's an approach there with the. Candace Owens is the technical. If they're pointing people who are otherwise never thought about Christianity or God or something like that, and they get introduced to it. Great God can use anybody to bring truth. That being said, we are also told to be wise as serpents, gentle as doves, right? So we have to be aware of the deception. And in terms of knowing the truth, this is an analogy I've heard over the years. I don't know who came up with it, but when people look for counterfeit currency, like people that like, go through money and they, you know, they have to find the counterfeit they have a very keen eye for the fakes because they know the real, whatever the money. I mean we can talk about money and how fake money is the problem, but in terms of knowing the real thing so that you can spot the counterfeit. Right. And I think that's very much in line with what we're talking about with Christ and knowing Christ so that we know the counterfeit and the scripture really lays out all the things we need to be looking out for. And one of the things that I've noticed in this big cultural boom of Christianity, first off, it's been driven by politics, number one, which is not new in America. America has been a nation that used Christianity for political purposes. We talked to, you know, Basil mentioned Future Quake, the host of that show. Dr. Future wrote a book on it. I think it's called the, the Two Masters. I forget the exact name. But basically he talks about and documents how much Christianity was used by the intelligences in America to facilitate something like the Cold War, to facilitate Vietnam and, and the idea of putting a Bible in one hand, putting a gun in the other, all these things that are very much traditional type of political Christianity.

[David Lee Corbo]

Can I just say. Yeah, that seems like the big thing. It's like pairing this warrior mentality. It's like people are willing to align themselves with Christianity if it means getting vengeance on some perceived enemy.

[Gans]

Yeah. So I'm trying to find the exact date, but do you guys know when?

[Basil]

150. Oh, sorry, keep going. I was looking for that episode just to give people.

[Gans]

So the, the phrase in God we trust. I believe on the money, on the currency. It first appeared on coins in like the Civil war period, so 1860 something. But you know how it's on the dollar bill, I think it says in God we Trust. That didn't appear until 1957. So it wasn't even on there. Like this idea of God on money wasn't even there until 1957. You know, cold War ramping up. We got to stop communism. It's the same thing. And it's. So there's not a whole lot of difference that I see. And especially, especially the Catholic Church. I don't know if you guys are Catholic or what, but the Vatican and their influence on culture and using clergy as cover for all kinds of stuff. Yeah, there's a big history there. So, so I don't, I suspect what's happening now with the Tucker Carlson's and the Candace Owens is, is very similar in nature and I think there are intelligence factions that are at war and they're using Christianity because it's the thing that everyone turned to, the, the basic ethics of Christianity because of the fact that it's wholesome and it's, you know, a little more rooted. And Basil and I have talked a lot about this cultural shift because, you know, we started the podcast in 2012. This is the heart of Obama. This is progressivism, liberalism. You were a crazy person. If you're a Christian in public about it, right? You're talking about this stuff in public. You're, you're just seen as like, oh, you're just, you're not, you're not with the times or whatever. But I often bring up this cultural phenomenon that took place that we observed and lived through, which was they pull things. They pull the mainstream view so far in one direction to where it becomes a revolution. A revolution is sparked by saying the most obvious thing. There are only two genders, guys, boom, million followers. You got, you know, a whole platform now. You got a podcast, you got a TV show, whatever. So it's like, how did that happen? From this irrational type of move to all of a sudden you just speak and say the obvious and you have a platform. And that really popped off this cultural phenomenon of quote, unquote, Christianity, I'll call it. And within that, there's obviously a lot of people who are coming to Christ and searching. And I think that's fine. That's great in the context of what I mentioned earlier with Luke 9 and John chapter 9. But again, as Basil was saying, if you're building your foundation on those personalities, that's where things can go really haywire. Because if they are intelligence ops or some kind of operation to get everybody riled up about something, whatever it is, you know, Bridget Macron being a man or whatever these issues are, and especially now with the Charlie Kirk thing, I mean, the, the, the tension and everything that's going on there is, is just way too much. I mean, for me, I'm like, I don't even want to dive into any of that stuff because it's just, it's just too much. And I'm seeing now the opposite side get activated. The Christian Zionist side. They're activated. They're calling everybody Nazis. And so the divide and conquer is very obvious. And we're proud to say that we also.

Were able to sustain through all these different changes culturally, probably. I mean, I would say providence and protection from God, but also, you know, we never made it super big, like humongous big. And there were opportunities, especially early on, 2016, 2017 to put on a MAGA hat and just be just all in and gain a huge following and do all that. We chose not to. And we chose to kind of Steve and Keel. And I think that's been to our benefit because we've laid low. We're not on the radar of Candace Owens and all these people that get sucked into that cultural conversation. But we're still examining everything going on and looking for the truth. And if you don't have the truth, which is in Christ, then everything else is kind of fodder. And I actually wrote an article, I think I published it in 2011, 2012. It was called the Christian Conspiracy Theorist. I think it's still on the Internet somewhere. But in it I argued that if you're a Christian, you're default a conspiracy theorist. There was a conspiracy to kill Christ. There was. I mean, it goes, there's scripture in Psalm 2, it talks about the kings of the earth conspire to, you know, go against the Lord. You are, if you're a believer, you are by default a conspiracy theorist. And when you start thinking in that way, everything becomes a conspiracy. Right? So it's kind of like, it can be like a. A black pill type of thing. If you don't have Christ, if you don't have the hope that comes with that, you can think that that's all nonsense and it's all, for now, there's no hope, that kind of thing. Because when, when you talk about the political messaging going on from these individuals, they're calling out the deception, they're calling out the corruption, they're doing all this stuff, but what are they suggesting we do about it? And that's where, that's where it really becomes important. Like, do you want us to vote for someone? Has that really changed a whole lot of anything? Do you want us to. Tucker Carlson, do you want to be president? We want us to vote for whatever it is. There is no true solution. It's always some kind of agenda that falls short of a true hope, a true restoration that were eagerly expecting and waiting with the second coming of Christ. So it's always going to fall short of that. And as Basil mentioned, there's this repetitive thing going on, the cycle thing. And I've been really doing the research now to put together probably a book, but a lot of content from it. And it's an idea called archetypalism, basically that prophecy works in archetypes, the Bible. There's nothing new under the sun. So everything that has been will be done again, which is an interesting conversation to have if you're talking about aliens and stuff, but I think today.

[David Lee Corbo]

I'm enjoying this conversation. Aliens all the time. Dude, please.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Yeah, Faking gay.

[Gans]

So it. There's nothing new under the sun. So in effect, every time we think prophecy is being fulfilled, it might be a way to have that conversation, acknowledge that things are happening in a prophetic context, but not be like, okay, this is fulfilled, or this is the date when this happens. Because that's when people get into trouble and they have, you know, for centuries, is they figure something out or they think they figure something out, they set a date, they set a time period, they do all this stuff. And then when that doesn't happen, well, then they're discredited and a whole bunch of people fall away from the faith because of that. And so there's a lot of ambiguity in prophecy with Old Testament prophecies, New Testament, how it was fulfilled. And I think the end times are like that too. That there's going to be certain things that we think we know how it's going to play out, but we may not. We may not fully understand it. And maybe that's because we're not meant to fully understand it. It's supposed to be hidden from the enemy. I know that scripture talks about how the. The enemies. Satan blinds those who on earth. What was the passage? I think it was Second Corinthians 4. Yeah, here it is. Second Corinthians 4. In their case, the God of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. So there's definitely a blinding that happens and. And that's part of it too. Like, you got to be blind. We were just talking about who were we talking to. So we were talking to somebody who got in with like a conversation or something with people in Silicon Valley and they were shown some of the scriptures about the mark of the beast, you know, because they're building these digital IDs and all the systems and they looked at it and they weren't like, oh, that's not what we're doing. They were like, oh, yeah, that's pretty much it. That's pretty much what we're doing. That's exactly what we're doing. Like, they didn't even deny it. You know what I mean? So your conscience has to be seared.

[Basil]

Oh, wow. How did. The Bible knows exactly what we're doing. That's very interesting. Cool.

[David Lee Corbo]

They looked at it and they said, oh, that's a good idea anyway. That's a good idea. Right, Exactly.

[Gans]

Yeah, right. And so we're at this point now where a billionaire gay man in Peter Thiel, who is highly influential in the last elections, behind the scenes, highly influential in the platforms like PayPal and you know, the things that we use on a daily basis when it comes to monetary stuff. Big part of Palantir, I think he was co founder of Palantir who's doing all the data stuff. I think they just integrated Palantir with the government database like today or yesterday or something. Announcement went out. This is the guy. Peter Thiel is doing closed seminars talking about the Antichrist in the end times. But when you start digging into what he's actually saying, he, his message has been very consistent over the last year or so where he's public about this. He said we don't want Armageddon because that'd be bad. You know, we don't want this war situation of Armageddon. But to prevent Armageddon we would need a world government and that would be the Antichrist. So we don't, we don't want that either.

[Basil]

That AI doesn't fulfill biblical prophecy and make Jesus come back. We need to make our own AI and we need to make it better than the evil AI.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, that's not what. Can you guys talk about that a little bit? Because I saw that and these days I, I got to admit I only move towards whatever I'm compelled to move towards as far as like theories and stuff. Like I used to be really that at all. And I saw it and I go, we got to look at that. And then just felt unmoved and did not look at it. And then like I am curious, like what the hell did this guy say? It was like a multi part series on the Antichrist which I probably should have watched, but I was like nah.

[Basil]

So. So most of what we know coming out of that came from reporters who are allowed to be in there because they were closed door session. You had to buy a ticket. Of course all the billionaires got their tickets and nobody got to. A couple reporters were able to come and they as far as I know were not put out for public consumption. This was very exclusive. It was, you know, very billionairy. But there were reporters. I'd have to go back and look at our show notes, guns to see. It was either the Wall Street Journal or the Washington Post or you know, just some basic reporting institutions. And yeah, you know, he comes, he's talking about there's this whole movement about how Christianity is the chosen religion of big tech. Now they all have their own Bible studies. The churches in Silicon Valley are exploding and Peter Thiel and all these guys, Christianity is the, is the religion of, of Silicon Valley. And the reporting that came out of Peter Thiel's closed door, non public lectures about the end times and the ante Christ basically sums up to, you know, there is a devil. Biblical prophecy is true, Jesus is coming back, but there's this beast system that is threatening to, you know, ruin humanity and end the world. It's called the Apocalypse. But we, here's what we want as the billionaires in Silicon Valley, okay, We're Christians, we don't want the apocalypse, okay? We're not trying to be a part of the apocalypse. We're not trying to, you know, fall into the Devil's trap. So in order to avoid the book of revelation and Revelation 13, we have to build our bigger, better AI that's good. It's, it's big good AI that can be used to rule the world so that the world doesn't get taken over by the devil. And much like how the devil always does it, I mean, this is, it's hilarious because again, so anybody who's been Christian for long enough, you've experienced this in your own life. And if you haven't yet, you certainly soon will. You know, the devil knows everything about the Bible. The devil's read the Bible longer than you have. He knows the ins, the outs, he knows the scriptures and so, but, but he can't create anything. He can only counterfeit what's going on, that's his game. He's an expert counterfeiter. And like Gantz said, you know, an expert counterfeiter has to know the bill he's counterfeiting inside and out, needs to know every single little thing and the Devil does. And so what we see, at least from, from our experiences, people who do what we do and have, you know, been Christian for the amount of time that we have, is it's such a clear and obvious.

Infiltration of the, by the enemy. Because supernatural, you know, biblical supernaturalism, biblical prophecy is so obviously catching the attention of everybody because we see it playing out in front of our faces every day. Every day we see a new biblical prophecy, you know, come true or, or be planned on the docket for the government, whatever, you know, we see it all the time.

And so yes, these very, excuse me, very exclusive Silicon Val, Silicon Valley Peter Thiel lectures were quite obviously, again, I'm not Even saying that, like he is the devil and he knows what he's saying. But I think, you know, as the enemy does pray and convince us that whatever version idea of theology or prophecy that we've convinced ourselves of, you know, we can play a part in it, we can change it. And this has been a long time struggle for us in our community because we can talk about the biblical prophecies taking place every day. And the natural, human, earthly, worldly impulse is how do we stop it? And this is one of the big mind changes that come with, you know, a true supernatural faith in Christ and is like, you go, oh, that idea, that impulse to stop something from happening, that's. That's human, that's us. That's not, that's not God. Right. But much like true surrender is a huge part of following Christ and giving up our own wants, desires, giving up our own ideas of what's best for us and acquiescing to, you know, a plan greater for us than we could even imagine. That's the tough part. That's what's, that's like one of the most tough parts about following Christ. And it's funny because once you have eyes to see that and you see these.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Stop it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Once you have eyes, big googly eyes to see this.

[Basil]

You guys are funny. Yeah. You know, once you have big googly eyes to see, you know, when you. It's the same thing with like Candace and Tucker and etc. Etc. Etc. It's like, this is what's prophesied, this is what, what's going to happen. We can stop it. We have the power. We can change God's plan.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

This is what I'm struggling with. This is exactly what I'm struggling with. As we go down the rabbit hole, as we go down this journey.

The, the whole Israel thing, we brought up Zionist Christians, vexing, I'd say to me at least, because I'm looking in one hand at biblical prophecy playing out. I'm looking at what biblical Israel is. And then I'm also looking at people with small hats that are purveyors of pornography on people like my children. And I'm like, this is a big problem for me. Because if I just, I mean, maybe it's just a surrender thing. I'm not accurately surrendering, which is another big problem for me. I like to do things and I like to make sure that I know what I'm doing and have control over a certain amount of things. I just don't know where that responsibility ends. As a. Let's say, as a father, where we've got Hollywood putting out all kinds of propaganda run by.

The largest pornography company in America, run by. And I'm like, so we're just supposed to stay quiet? We're just supposed to not call this out? Like, this is a. This is a problem for me. It's a big problem. And I'm trusting God and I'm wrestling with God about it, and God's like, you know, at some points, he's like, I guess he'll let me go. Like, yeah, go ahead. Go explore that. Then he'll reel me back in, you know, and then I'll. Then I'll have to be like, come back out again. But what did you mean by this? Like, how could we. How could we allow this as a country? Because certainly it's happening.

[Basil]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

We came here to talk a little bit about Trump, and, I mean, the influence there as well. Epstein island is rampant. Or the. The Epstein Falls are out right now, and all this stuff kind of points back to one place, and I'm like, I just don't know how to submit to this. This is God's plan. But it's. This is crazy. It's like, at some point, I'm like, hey, man, I got. I got kids to raise.

And we. We have a country that. Is this the end time? I mean, Basil was just talking about that, like. Or is this just an iteration? I actually, I think that was you, Gonz, that's writing the book about these archetypes. Is this just an iteration that's going to repeat itself? How many times have we been here through. Through human history doing the same thing with these same archetypes playing out? Are we closer? Possibly. The technology is there now. Right. So we're getting a little bit closer. But it's like. Like, I don't know. Could it get worse? Yeah, Could. Could this all just blow over and then, I don't know, another 200 years, we'd be back in the same spot with a more advanced version of AI or whatever is coming to fulfill this kind of prophecy. Is this a false start? And if it is, I just feel I. Like, do we. Do we just give up? Do we just give up and say, you know what? I'm going to trust that this is going to all go away, or is it a time to actually fight and push back? I go back and forth all day long between this stuff, and I don't know what to think.

[Basil]

Yeah, and that's. Go ahead.

[Gans]

I was going to say that. That specifically to the topic of Israel and Zionism. I've been, I've been very.

I've been, I've been on this little trek for a while because in 2015, 2016, I started to ask questions and because of my documentary and, and things of that nature.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Trouble dog, just.

[Gans]

Well, here's the thing. I got to travel and speak and meet people in like the kind of Bible prophecy circuit. Okay. So people that are like writing books and making thousands, tens of thousands of dollars selling books and videos and stuff like that.

[Basil]

Back in our conference days.

[Gans]

Our conference days, yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I will just say we had somebody on from prophecy watches. Was that going to say any names? And I did bring up Israel.

[Basil]

Oh yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Things got very visibly mad and I'm too stupid to stop. So I'm like, I was like, clearly there's crimes happening here.

[Basil]

Yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, we're never going to get past this if, if we press it. So I was like, let's just continue with the nephilim or whatever we were.

[Basil]

Talking about before you, before you go into the broader picture. If I could just make a mention. Sure.

It's, it's interesting for me because growing up in the church, 90s, 80s, 90s, like, supporting Israel was the default. Supporting Israel was always the default. And you know, didn't really think about it that much, but of course I was a kid, but it was all. Every single church I ever went to ever was kind of equating the Israel of the Bible with the current modern nation state of Israel. And, and you know, of course I didn't know all sorts of things, etc. Etc. You know, when you're to the specific question or the specific friction that we feel and for, you know, those who have, I don't know, listen to me a lot, you'll, you'll hear this a lot, which is like the friction is on purpose. Like these, these obstacles, these spiritual obstacles, these physical obstacles, these authoritarian obstacles, these are not on accident. These are not to be avoided. You know, Christ does not tell us to avoid uncomfortable situations. He does not tell us to avoid uncomfortable conversations. You know, and we're not called to just acquiesce. We're not called to, you know, not pay attention or just sit quietly in faith. But we are called to endure and enduring this. I mean, this is a super heavy aspect of biblical, you know, Christianity is this endurance. We've been told that following Christ will bring the ire of the whole world on us. What do you think they'll do to Us after seeing what they did to Him. Of course, endurance is all of it. And endurance comes not with avoiding things, but with facing things, with confronting things, doing it in a biblically sound, Christ serving way. Of course, there's good ways and bad ways to do all sorts of things and, you know, not being a part of the deeds of wickedness and darkness, but to expose them. This is all part of our, you know, calling as Christ followers. So, you know, if the question is, do we talk about it, do we not talk about it? You know, obviously the answer is not to let your kids become victim of this horrible fallen beast system of a, you know, sin trap. That is the world that we live in. Of course not. But it is to endure. And endure comes with strengthening yourself. It comes with strengthening your. Your children, you know, bringing them up in the way that they should go. And endurance comes in having these conversations. And that's also why the world doesn't want you to have these conversations. But it's so. It is very easy. It's easy to endure in Christ. It is almost impossible to endure by our own power, by our own knowledge, by our own responses to things. And that's kind of part of this cycle of getting really fired up about something, putting everything we have into fighting it, which usually just means, like, yelling about it on the Internet, you know, and then we get exhausted. And what happens? Well, we kind of stop enduring and we come back around and it's. There's a sense of hopelessness and there's a sense of wondering and there's a sense of whatever. You know, we've all had this cycle happened in our lives, and it's going to happen forever. It's part of being a human being. But through, you know.

In the moment, with our focus on Christ, you know, this endurance truly does become supernatural. I say it all the time. And it's very important for both longtime Christians and new Christians to know your faith doesn't come from you. Your faith is not from your own power. Right? You do not generate your faith in Christ within you by studying and focusing very hard and doing all these sort of things. You do those things because of the faith that's given you, but your faith comes from Christ. Your faith comes directly from God. So we first of all recognize that whatever we're trying to do in our own power and our own whatever, you know, that's inevitably we're going to get tired out. We're not going to endure. But the endurance comes from following that faith, that which he gives us. And that's a lesson you learn over and over and over again. Much like the cycles we've been talking about, much like the seasons, you know, that. I saw somebody mentioned seasons there. You know, we go through these seasons in life where we are up, we are down, we come back, we're stronger, we're back down. Right when we think we're like, we've nailed it, we're on, oh, whoops, boom, back down, come back up, you know, this sort of thing. And for me personally, not confusing those cycles of the inner world, the inner relationship with Christ and the inner struggles because, you know, perception of the world around us is also one of these things. It's highly affected by the faith that God gives us.

But of. But the endurance, you know, coming back, resetting. And.

It'S really easy in those moments.

To make up a lot of excuses why we either should chill out and should not, you know, fight the power or should, whatever, blah, blah, blah. Should or should not. Either way, you know, we go through this sort of teeter totter and that's okay, that's part of it. You know, that's part of this. This way that God works through things with his people, not even for their sake, but for his own sake and for the sake of the world. And it's one of these mysterious things. You know, when we start living through a supernatural biblical, not just worldview, but lifestyle, these things are counter to how our worldly mind makes us, you know, makes us think things should work.

And. And it's a very difficult thing to do. And it comes with time, and it comes with repetition, and it comes with, you know, again, thankfully, the faith that he gives us. That being said, obviously there are huge problems with the way, you know, we find ourselves trapped in false binaries. You know, it's a basic conspiracy theory thing. It's the basic Hegelian dialectic. It's the basic structural framework of how we see elites manipulating the world is these false dualities. And we're given a choice between this or that, and you gotta choose one. And you're convinced that those are the only two options. You know, that they're there, they're right there. That's what everybody says. Those are the options. You got to pick one, and then you gotta fight for it until you die or something like that. But again, with the. The veil coming off your eyes, with the. The devotion to a sort of supernatural, biblical, biblically informed relationship with Christ, those dualities, they start. It's almost like they start fritzing out. They become immaterial. You Kind of start to see through even the idea that there is a duality, to be chosen in a right way and a wrong way.

This gets confused with some like postmodernism. I'm not, you know, I'm not saying that there's, there's nobody's right, nobody's wrong, man. And just whatever, it's, it's all in between. It's in the gray. Again, another counterfeit from the enemy, who was very successful in the mid 20th century with postmodernism that led our, our nation and our world to much of the problems we have today was that sort of idea. But again, a counterfeit of this idea that, you know, the, the choice is presented to us.

Being reality when they really are an illusion. Before I forget again, I just want to mention episode 153 of Canary Cry Radio. We have two shows, Canary Cry News Talk, Canary Cry Radio, two separate shows. It's really annoying, is bad branding. I'm sorry, but Canary cry radio, episode 153, Jesus versus the spiritual industrial complex. With Dr. Future. We talk about his book two masters and two gospels, volume one, the teaching of Jesus versus the leaven of the Pharisees. We get into the history, mechanisms and psychological warfare that has been waged on believers in America. You know, supernatural warfare, spiritual warfare. Again, another phrase that's being talked about a lot today. Very really the, the sort of biblical analog to fifth generation warfare. We talk a lot about fifth generation warfare. And you know, this is the kind of Alex Jones was right the whole time kind of thing. But along the way, Dr. Future connects many dots to present his case. From Truman's Psychological Strategy board comprising the CIA and the DOD, to Billy Graham and G.K. chesterton's former opposing roles in exposing the apparatus. The rich history of troubling details, answers, how and why we are in this highly politicized chaos we find ourselves today. The documented meetings, the documented memos about how the government, the intelligence agencies and certain religious figures of the time came together, literally conspired to make Christianity, to wield it as a voting block, to create these standards. If you're a Christian, you vote this way and is sort of very diabolical and it's something that we take for granted today. If you're, if you're a Christian, you're a conservative, you're this, you're that, you know, and not only, you know, are you this way, but if you're not this way, you're sort of, you know, betraying Jesus for not, you know, and look, we have that conversation all the time. And it's quite obvious that a Christian will have certain political views. It's obvious to us it was a manufactured movement of the mid 20th century government coincidentally happening in the same era as the creation of the nation state of Israel and etc. And so these are important sort of periods in history. Just to understand our current predicaments, not to say that a Christian shouldn't vote one way or another, but just understand that even the very basic concepts that we envision our political landscape to have, sort of topographically, is. Is a literal creation of American intelligence. And with this, again, this should be setting us free. This should set us free from the expectations of the political choices we're given. And let us rely only on our relationship with Christ to guide us through enduring this very, again, highly choppy, highly heated, and yet highly, perfectly manufactured obstacle course of the political landscape right now. It's not by accident. It's not just by happenstance of history. We talk about all the ops going on today. You gotta learn your history on the ops that created the today that we have. So, yeah, I don't want to go too far into it, but episode 153, Jesus versus the Spiritual Industrial Complex, it's very challenging. It's a very challenging episode for a lot of reasons, but I recommend people go check it out. Start there. And of course, if you're a reading person, which we all like to hope we will be someday, Getting Michael Bennett, Dr. Michael Bennett, Dr. Future, his book Two Masters, Two Gospels.

[Gans]

Yep. So before. Great rant, Basil.

[Basil]

Sorry.

[Gans]

No, no, you're good, you're good. I was just telling a story. It's okay, you know, it's. It's all right. I was just telling a little personal story.

You guys are very much cosmic theology into the mix here.

[David Lee Corbo]

We have the same thing going on.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

You're like us. You're me. You're me. Gonz and Basil, you're David.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes. Nice to meet you guys.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

But, like, way lower on the scale. We're like, not as smart, thank goodness.

[David Lee Corbo]

Because if I was, I would never. I would just go on for. It's. It's really bad and I don't know anything, and I just. And I go on constantly and nothing stops me.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

So let go.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, go ahead. Okay.

[Gans]

So. So I was talking. Oh, we were. I'm going. I'm going.

[David Lee Corbo]

So speak up.

[Gans]

I had mentioned how I got to kind of meet and mingle with that Bible prophecy crowd. And as soon as I brought up Israel, I started to question it. Because when I first started looking at Bible prophecy, it was the, the stuff that was presented to me was, hey, 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy with Israel forming as a nation. And we had these people in diaspora for 2000 years and it's a miracle that they even still exist and let alone, you know, form a new nation. And certainly in history that is a, an oddity. I think there's like one or two more that has like a smaller type of thing that, where a similar thing happened, but certainly not on the world stage as with modern nation state Israel. And I just asked the question, you know, I wasn't even trying to stir anything up. I was just like, so. Because in my mind I'm thinking the Bible talks about Israel in the Old Testament. There is a context of Israel that extends past just the ethnicity of the people in the New Testament. Paul in Romans references it and you know, we have the, the famous passages about, hey, there's no more Jew or Greek. And you know, there's, there's, the barrier does not exist anymore. And so the, the far end of that discussion is replacement theology. I get accused of that often because I bring up that topic of like, hey, Paul also talked about Israel in the context of all believers, not just the ethnic group. And that's, that's the problem.

[Basil]

That is the part of the standard in my childhood. By the way, it's really funny to see all this conversation about replacement theology because that was just being a Protestant in America in the 90s. Right, right.

[Gans]

So, so now nobody can have a fruitful conversation about this because one person can say Israel and they're talking about the political modern nation state of Israel, which is certainly the, the land is shared from the ancient Israel. And. But the argument being that it's the same people. Well, it's not that simple.

[Basil]

Right.

[Gans]

It's not like they had the Israelites in the first century put them in a jar and then, you know, they were just kind of secluded throughout history and boom, they released it, they defroze him or whatever. And there they are, the Jews from the first century. No, they were, they went all over the world. They mingled, they, they mingled with Europeans. There's a bottleneck in the, whatever, 16, 17, hundreds or whatever. There's a long genetic history that is not clear. And there's no way any geneticist is going to, they're not going to necessarily figure it all out. And, and so everyone's a mutt. And it's not so simple as, oh, the Jews from the first century, they're the same Jews. It's just not. And so people can't have this conversation because it's. They mean something. They have these definitions locked in. And a lot of it is, is a, A, an inability to talk theologically, historically.

Spiritually, religiously. These are all. Politically, these are all mingled together in this conversation. So no one knows what they're talking about. And they start yelling at each other. And all of a sudden, you know, Candace Owens and all these guys, they're all Nazis, and then, you know, Christian Zionists, they're all heretics, and it's just this big mess.

[Basil]

Now.

[Gans]

The foundational, the real stuff going on is, is legit, like the, you know, certain group of people. And then.

The, the issue that. I think it goes back to what I was talking about earlier. What do we, what do we do about it? I think there's a personal responsibility part of this. You know, censor your kids from that stuff. Obviously. I think, think self censorship for your children and for your family is something that we can do, practice, and I think it should be promoted more. I don't know why self censorship isn't a thing. We're always trying to get, like, platforms or, like, other people to do the censoring for. It's like, dude, censor your own family. Like, you have control of what your children see and, you know, hear and all this stuff. So you can do that, but also.

[Basil]

Yourself while you're at it yourself. Yeah, it's a skill again, a skill that's demonized by the world, you know, automatically has this negative connotation. But boy, oh, boy, I'll tell you what. There. There's probably no better skill than censoring what goes into your eyes, what goes into your ears by your own, by your own decision. It's, you know, it's all part of sort of taking control over oneself. Otherwise you're just a slave to whatever influencers are coming in and going out.

[Gans]

Yeah, and the big key Here is Ephesians 6:12. It's been a really important passage ever since I became a believer. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, principalities, powers, cosmic powers of the present darkness and spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places. And when you think of all of the world issues in that context that we're battling against principalities and powers, it. It shifts the conversation from a genetic lineage or a nation state, a group of people or whatever, and, and it shifts the focus to, oh, it's the principalities and powers behind everything that is causing all this Tension, turmoil and evil in the world. And so we can lock up all the Jews. They tried that once. I think somebody tried it, I think, I don't know, about a century ago or something. Is it gonna, did it accomplish what they were hoping to accomplish? Probably not. You know, there was an op that probably started because of that. And, and you know, now we have, 100 years later, we have the conversation pop up again. You know, was Hitler really a bad guy? I mean, he was a human, but, you know, will we see Hitler in heaven? Well, if he repented, yeah. Some people have a problem with that concept, you know, so it's the same thing over and over again. But if you don't shift your, your, your target of the enemy from that guy over there or that group over there to oh, the principalities, powers of spiritual wickedness, that's behind it, you're gonna try to fix the issue in an earthly manner. And that always leads to terrible things.

[Basil]

Yeah, manipulate. If, if, you know, again, if we're not realizing that there's a whole host of Elohim, a whole ecosystem of spiritual, I mean, individuals like personalities, powers, principalities that have been given for whatever reason by God, you know, long ago.

Power over even geographical, I mean, the scriptures talk about geographical principalities that rule over, over various places, much less principalities and powers that rule over ideologies and things like that. And so yes, focusing on the, again, the, the world's counterfeit of this is fifth generation warfare, but spiritual warfare again, once you're locked in and you see, you know, they want you to think that a person or a DNA strand or a political movement is the ultimate enemy. Not that those things can't be enemies. But defeating those things does not defeat, you know, the, the true, the cosmic.

[Gans]

Rebellion that is at hand here. This is a cosmic war that we've been in. The spirit of Antichrist is been here for a long time and everyone's looking for one guy. But throughout history there have been many Antichrists over and over and over again. The spirit of Antichrist has been around for a long time and certainly it'll culminate with a man of sin, the Son of predition, and all these prophecies that are written. But to, to think that it's going to be the way we think it's going to be. I, I, I caution against that just because it's, again, you got to have room for God's sovereignty in all of this. And you brought the Elohim, Basil. Good, good way to talk about the aliens. You Know.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Before we move on to that, I will say, what. And this is gonna, this is gonna throw the episode kilter. If that's the correct.

[David Lee Corbo]

I think it is.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

My favorite, my. One of my favorite comedians, Owen Benjamin, says that you have to kill the inner Jew. And it's very funny when, as people are talking about creating camps and all this, he's like, no, it's the Jew within you.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yes.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

And I'm like, in your own heart, it's very funny.

[David Lee Corbo]

Which is. It's very much like, you know, pick up your, your cross. You know, it just doesn't.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

How about, have you looked at yourself? Have you cleaned your room? Have you cleaned your room?

[David Lee Corbo]

Buckle.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

It's a harsh. It's a hard way to say it, but I think, like, in the context of comedy, delivering that to somebody, it can aggravate it. It really shakes you up, and you go, what did he mean by that? But if you do take a second to really think about that, it's exactly what you're saying. Like, this battle is, Is internal.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, it's like they own the battle, the porn companies. And we go, oh, they own the porn. Hey, dude, stop jerking off. How about that? Would you just stop jerking off?

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

But I can't.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, but I, I, I think you're absolutely correct. If you really paying attention, there's always an effort to make some people group or some religious group or some political alignment the ultimate bad guy. And that should be telling. When people see all the Israel and all the Jew stuff, it's like, there's always something. There's always something that they're telling you. They want to present you, and they go, this is the enemy. And it's like, no, that's not the enemy. The enemy's behind it. It's a spiritual one. Speaking of spirit of the Antichrist, though, going on to aliens, Donald Trump. And this is gonna be where we do it. No, I like.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

All right, we're on the topic of the other.

[David Lee Corbo]

We're gonna talk about aliens. No, it is, it is. It's the same thing. I have the article pulled up, but.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I like the way he was doing it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Okay, fine.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Much more eloquent.

[David Lee Corbo]

All right, we like yours going.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Yeah, like, he was talking about the Elohim. A lot of people, the current American, the modern American, doesn't want to talk about the aliens in the context of the Elohim. They want to talk about them. Well, now they do, brothers. I, I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo]

There's, like, this effort where you do see a lot of People. And it's giving me, like, it's, it's giving me pause because I'm like, what am I talking about? Because when I see somebody go like, what if the aliens are actually fallen angels? And I go, oh, dude, like, that's what I think, you know. So now, now I'm like, I'm not too sure because I, I, you know, I don't, I don't think of myself that highly in regards, So I don't know. I am in this state of second guessing. But it is something that seems to be on the horizon. And you have this, this comes out of Newsweek. Nearly two thirds of Americans believe in intelligent life exists beyond Earth, According to a 2021 study from a Pew Research Center. From the Pew Research Center. I don't know what that is. Meanwhile, some Americans believe that there is proof of UFOs and alien life being concealed from the public by global governments. But this belief is held by a significant minority. So Congress has previously held hearings about, you know, UFO sightings and things like that. And Trump has indicated that his administration may declassify some information on the nature of extraterrestrial life. You know, we're reaching kind of the end of the show here and we've dealt with some really heavy topics. I actually think this is super light and airy and fun and I think deserving of a lot of ridicule. So what do you guys think about that? It does seem that we're moving towards some disclosure. You know, that's the terminology that's commonly used. And it, maybe Trump's going to be the guy who's, who's going to do it and what is that going to look like and what do you think that means?

[Gans]

Well, let me, let me jump in because Basil will go on for another 45 minutes.

[Basil]

I don't know anything about this.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is my first time hearing of such a thing.

[Gans]

So there's a couple things. One, and we have to parse out the different phenomena. So the UFO sighting phenomenon is one thing and that, that's more about a technology, some kind of craft. And then you have the non human intelligence, I think is the way, or non human biologics is, I think the way they're pushing the idea out there. And that brings up a whole nother conversation separate from this. Of course, people tie the two together, but they are separate things. I don't know what Trump is going to say. I guess release the files. I mean, at this point, what does that even mean? Are they going to be redacted? Who knows, but I've long suspected that Trump will be involved in releasing some technologies that have been suppressed for a while. So this could be part of that play. Like the whole alien disclosure conversation might just be so that Trump can be the guy to unleash the Teslonian energy system or something along those lines. I'm not saying that's what it's going to be, but newer technologies and if you saw the Genesis thing yesterday, I forget what it was called. Some, some bill or. I think it was an executive order. It was called Genesis something. It's all about AI and crypto and quantum and Manhattan Project for a Manhattan Project for AI is what they're calling it. So keeping that, you know, putting it all into perspective, there's that part of it that is this something where it's more about the technology being released. Now the other side of it with the non human biologics and the entities and stuff, there's a range from people who believe. Our friend Tim Albarino, who was just on Glenn Beck, by the way, I mean he's, he's gone super mainstream, I guess, and we've interviewed him multiple times. He believes that there is a pre Adamic race. And you can draw this out from scripture. Like there are ways to understand scripture where this is plausible, where there was a pre Adamic race and they're the ones that predate humanity, but they were intelligences and they were biological beings like we are. And they're part of the rebellion and they're, they're part of the Genesis 6 narrative and, and the alien conversation. All of it comes from this pre Adamic race. So that's one possibility in that, hey, the Bible may address these sort of non human intelligences in that way. The other part of it is obviously the spiritual side. There are, I think it was. J.D. vance recently talked about how he thinks the, the crafts or aliens or something are interdimensional. And that's.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah, I think it was.

[Gans]

Yeah, that was a couple weeks ago maybe.

[Basil]

And that's common. This is common now in the government circles is they're shifting to this interdimensional storyline.

[Gans]

Right, right.

[David Lee Corbo]

Which is fascinating to me given that it's like a narrative that you get a lot through, like Marvel films and stuff. And I just want to read this headline really quick just to bolster your point. Gon. So this, like, I didn't even pay attention to this. Trump signs Executive Order Launching AI Initiative Being Compared to the Manhattan Project. The order announced the Genesis mission is what it was called for. AI A new federal push to mobilize the federal government's research and data to create artificial intelligence models. I'm sure that's fine.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

It's actually funny because some of the deep dive research that we've done. When he first got elected the second time.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, Stargate.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The funding is like $500 billion for AI and it was called Operation Stargate, which is just like. They're not. They're not even trying. It's the same operation as. As this remote viewing thing that they were doing in the 70s, which then goes back to the, you know, a lot of the people that worked on that, but specifically and Buhari, which is like big around the 50s. So, like, you're talking about the implementation, the creation of Israel, Roswell, all this remote viewing stuff.

[David Lee Corbo]

MKUltra.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

MKUltra. I think the CIA or the Air Force.

[David Lee Corbo]

The CIA, yeah.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

And also channeling the Nine, which is like the ancient India. It's like all this stuff is like right there.

[David Lee Corbo]

They crush. They're cool, though.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

They're cool. Repeat it again in the 70s and then go ahead and mimic that with AI, which I think is probably just like a digital Ouija board. And now here we are again with the Manhattan Project, which is very interesting.

[David Lee Corbo]

$500 billion wasn't enough.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I'm excited.

[Gans]

There are other countries that hopped in with another 500 billion. I think Japan said they would do. So anyway, there's a lot of money being poured in. You're right. The Stargate. We actually did an episode of Canary Cry Radio this year. I don't remember what number it was. It's in the 180s, I think.

Basil and I recreated some of those Stargate documents. We played it out because there's a remote viewer sitting in a chair and they ask him to remote view stuff. There was one where he went to Mars and he saw these tall creatures and these. This ancient civilization that was there. Another one, they. Somebody remote viewed what sounded like some kind of data center or. I don't know. It was an interesting imagery that they saw that, you know, was relayed. So we, we recreated some of those with sound effects and all that fun stuff.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

That's cool.

[Basil]

Impact. Some of our roots, you know, when we started, Radiolab was like the biggest podcast at the time in the olden days. So early on in our episodes, we're like, oh, we got to make it like a radio lab. Let's do it. All sorts of, like, fun stuff. This was kind of a return to that. It's. It's episode 180 the Stargate Project, where we explore exactly that. The new Stargate project, the old Stargate.

[David Lee Corbo]

Project, we did a big deep dive and we just kind of added our third element to it with Pastor Joe and Franco on the Telepathy tapes and, and how it all plugs into absolutely all of this is, you know, this time frame of like late 40s to early 50s MK Ultra, Puharidge, the Nine, the Eniad, like all this stuff and how it bleeds into this oddly placed podcast that goes hyperviral and knocks Joe Rogan out of first place and interestingly enough omits pretty much everything about Christ, which. To which there was a lot of.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Pastor Joe was cool enough to.

[David Lee Corbo]

You guys would probably get a kick out of talking to him or at least looking into his story because he worked, you know, pretty closely on the Telepathy tapes and there was a lot about these non speaking autistic kids talking to Christ. And you know, you still got to figure out what that means. Are we talking like silver boots, Pleiadian Christ, you know, that kind of a deal. But still it was all omitted and for something that became the number one podcast in the world, no doubt got millions of. Upon millions of views and listens to, to omit. That is, that's a, that's a huge problem.

[Gans]

Antichrist. It's Antichrist.

[David Lee Corbo]

Yeah.

[Gans]

Yeah.

[Basil]

So just I think I can sum up a little bit of what I think just to zero in on Trump's disclosure. If anybody is going to disclose anything, it's probably going to be Trump. We've had David Grush who's, you know, several different whistleblowers. They all talk about how they're only whistleblowing, what they're allowed to whistleblow and etc.

[Gans]

After they changed the whistleblowing laws, by the way, it was. They changed the laws around whistleblowing and then all these whistleblowers for the UFO stuff came out. So something to pay attention to.

[Basil]

2013, 2014. You know, again, we're bright Adam, Bushy Tail. We're talking about aliens. We're having La Marzulli on. He's talking about the, the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim surviving the flood because they were there and they were there afterwards. And then, you know, we have cow mutilations and they're taking biological pieces to create the gray aliens as biological suits for the Nephilim disembodied spirits to inhabit, to continue their mission here on Earth. And then you've of course, biblically, we have, I mean where they have now solidified the conversation about UFOs, UAPs, non human intelligence, non human biologics is very clearly interdimensional. And like you mentioned, the. You always pay attention. And you can do this with the news and you can do it with pop culture. The predictive programming, the revelation of the method, they do this. This is, this is clearly laid out in all sorts of schizo, you know, pieces of work about how predictive programming, Hollywood TV shows, etc. Lay out the truth in fictional form before they are even allowed to pull off whatever trick they're trying to pull off. It's called Revelation of the Method. Helena Blavatsky, a famous occultist, elite occultist from the mid 20th century there. And what's very clear is they're solidifying this interdimensional aspect of aliens. They do not come from other stars. They come from dimensions right outside of ours. And again, hilarious. All the enemy can do is counterfeit. If you are spiritually minded, if you're biblically minded, it's biblical prophecy minded. Interdimensionalism is just the spirit, realm, realm, heavens. Like, we know this. We've known this forever. If you're a Christian, you already believe in interdimensionality. You already experience interdimensional attacks in different ways. We know this. And we also know biblically, both from biblical and extra biblical scriptures that are referenced in the Bible. So at least those writers of the Bible were referencing extra biblical works. Not that Book of Enoch is canon or any of these things, and we need them for salvation necessarily. But they're referenced by the writers of the Bible. So we can say, okay, this is at least in their purview, in their worldview. We know the Book of Enoch, we've got the watchers. We've got several different layers of interdimensional beings. Different demons, different angels, different classes, different species, if you will. If we can apply the word species into an interdimensional sense, we can. Just for conversation, I'm not trying to pick any theological battles. Battles, Trust me, it sounds silly, but every single time we got somebody who wants to tell me why I'm wrong. I get it, I understand. So we already know this. There is no disclosure to be done for Christians. Yeah, but the disclosure again, 2014, 15. We're talking to La Marzulli, we're talking to Derek and Sharon Gilbert. They're the ones again, sort of these grandfathers and mothers of this space, the giants on which shoulders we stand. Coming on our show for no reason, they had no reason. To do this, God bless them. But laying out the, the alien deception, the, the, the thesis, the thesis, the method by which generations of biblical scholars, Fringy, you know, biblical authors, things like this, have seen these patterns, applied them to strong the theology that, yeah, you know, the easiest, simplest, most logical way that the devil can get his plan to the next stage to bring us closer to say, Revelation 13 is to reveal the truth, which is the interdimensional aspect of reality and you know, the Christian worldview, but do it with different colors, do it with different language, as we've seen ever since the, the Enlightenment period, taking knowledge and wisdom that has been, you know, passed down for generations from biblical Christianity and oftentimes fringe Christianity, these known things and painting them with a scientific lens, painting them with different words because like you said, that's where the deception happens. So Gonz pointed out maybe the most important thing, which is there's going to be a difference between the technology of UFO sightings and the actual beings. Right. So the techno, I imagine they'll start with the technology and they'll say, yes, we have these craft, we've been able to recreate these craft. It's unstable, it's unsafe, so we haven't released it, but we're coming to a point where now we can harness, blah, blah, blah, and you know, maybe be a little vague on the, on the intimate interdimensional entity part of it. I suspect that'll be a. The thing.

[Gans]

But we're on the, we're on the precipice of quantum computing too. And that really taps into the woo woo side of things. Portals and all that kind of stuff. But you know, the interdimensional conversation is pretty old. I documented Jack Vallee who talked about it in like the 60s. This is, these are secular scholars looking at the UFO alien phenomenon and they're talking about interdimensional origins for these beings.

Yeah, cyberneticist, occultists, they're all talking about the same thing. John Keel talked about this, the Ultra Terrestrials or the Trickster Beings. J. Allen Hynek talked about it. And then it was actually over a hundred years ago there was a book by G.H. pember called Earth's Earliest Ages, and that was the first guy to bring up the Genesis 6 conversation again. You guys are probably familiar with it to some extent. And then Chuck missler in the 90s wrote a book about UFOs and aliens in the context of Genesis 6. And, and since then it's been Dr. Michael Heiser, who, you know, we, we consider Mentors or a. A mentor of ours. You know, he passed away a couple years ago, but he. He really did the. The theological. Not the theological work necessarily. The scholarly heavy lifting.

[Basil]

Yeah. Which inevitably became mainstream. We credit Dr. Michael Heiser for the mainstreaming of the Nephilim and the mainstreaming the Elohim for sure. So again, God bless him and God bless his family. But I know he gets. He has some detractors these days, but really credited with the ability to take the wildest, fringy, most unacceptable, but potentially true theological points and translate them into legitimate mainstream Christians. Supernatural worldview, which, you know, I don't think we would be where we were if it weren't for Dr. Michael Heiser, which, you know, I always want to try to make sure we give him credit for that because I miss him.

[David Lee Corbo]

Something that scares me a little bit is that I'm sure you guys have gotten this, you know, given how long you've been doing this and the nature of what you're doing, but when people come to you and they credit you with. With helping them to orient towards Christ and being a part of their journey towards Christ. Right. Like, that's a huge. That's awesome. And, you know, when you look at Heiser and Mistler and all these people, it's like, how many people say that about them. And you look at them and then you realize, like, you are standing on the shoulders of giants and you're introducing people to a really probably crappy version of their work. You know what I mean? Because it's like we're. I'm paraphrasing to the best of my abilities, you know, what these people have done and researched and laid out before me, and it makes me go like, oh, my God, we got to do better, dude. Because the idea that anybody. One day down the. When we're like, old.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I think this conversation right now, I'm like, I'm watching him as he's explaining this. I'm like, yeah, no, we've covered this on the show, too, but just not as good.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, no, but it's beautiful because it's like, when I hear this, I'm like, oh, my goodness. Like, it's nice when you talk to somebody that, you know, there's a. There's a lot of reciprocation. Like, we're sitting here and we're nodding our heads because we've. We've looked at these things and we've explored them on the show. But the idea that anybody would be out there by the time we're like, 60 and would ever say, you know, guys like us help them or accredited us with any sort of body of research is almost like a, it's a wild thought because. Because I think right now, somewhere in our community, there are people coming up that will be treated with the same reverence in La Marzulli, a Gary Wayne, you know, a Michael Heiser. Any of these guys will be treated with that'll, that'll happen to somebody that like, we know and, and these people, including us, will be responsible for helping people on their journey to the truth. It's not like we're facilitators of it. We're people that you meet along the way.

[Basil]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo]

And the way is this narrow path that leads to Christ, that leads to salvation. And so I don't know, man, it's just like, I try not to think about that too much, but every once in a while you just get hit with somebody that's like, thank you, thank you for the part that you've played in my journey. And it's like, oh, dude, that's what we're doing.

[Gans]

I always say praise God because I don't want to take the credit. I always say praise God because he's the one that orchestrated all that. And I just, I know Basil and I both, we talk about this every so, so often, where somebody will come up to us and be like, that episode or like that in that documentary, you said this and this and this, and it made this connection and we're going, oh, I totally forgot about that.

So, like, the Lord is doing his work. Like we, we are just vessels to carry out his work. So, yeah, yeah, we're, we're trying to.

[Basil]

Be humble in that way.

[Gans]

Yeah, no pressure or anything.

[Basil]

No pressure.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's it, though. That's the beautiful thing. Like, you know, if that's what we get out of here. Having played a role in. Awesome, awesome. Look, we, we're, we're coming up on the two hour mark. I have to ask you guys arguably the most important question of the show.

And this is something that we ask everybody in closing. And it's always fascinating the, the, the, the, the question or the answers that you get, and I don't mean in this episode, I just mean you guys been doing this since you said 2012, right?

So given all your pursuits and all this information you're uncovering, the people that you're talking to and are you guys having fun?

[Basil]

Yeah, we wouldn't. Look, I kind of mentioned it before when, when you're in this sort of business, you kind of can feel these currents underneath. And numbers are always unfortunately, a worry and they shouldn't be, and you beat each other up for it. And you're always looking for. There's this impulse to keep growing or this impulse to reach whatever next career, blah, blah, blah. And it's all trash. But when it really comes down to it, I mean, you have to keep having fun. I mean, it's the most fun thing in the world, first of all, to be doing it. I mean, it's kind of funny because Gans and I have not lived in the same place in over 10 years, and I don't talk to anybody in my life as often as I talk to Gans. We mostly just talk, you know, on the show, but we have sort of this friendship. It's a beautiful thing. I could never replace the friendship I have with Gone. So it's. It's fun in that way. You know, we get to be in each other's lives from afar as we're going through all, you know, while we're doing podcast episodes where, you know, he's having babies and there's life disasters and there's this crazy stuff. But for us, the show, you know, is not just about the show. It's. It's. I. I really can't imagine not doing it, because as. As frustrating as it can be, and it really is frustrating, sometimes I don't want to sit down and Gonzo say the same thing if he wants to. But sometimes we don't want to sit down and do the show. Sometimes we're looking around, we're just like, the world is such a mess. Like, I don't want to report on any of this stuff. This is. This is all, what are we even doing? But then you. For me, I sit down in the chair, I put on the VR headset, we press go live, and then just God makes it happen, man. And, you know, the. The people that God brings into our lives, the. The audience members, the opportunities that we get, other people like you guys, I mean, just this incredible to connect with. With other people kind of on who have a similar calling.

It's not always fun, but it's. It's. But it's. It is. But I'll tell you what, being on air and actually thinking together, that's what I always say when I have a guest on or we have a caller or something, you know, people can get nervous. I was even a little nervous coming on here, and I was having to say to myself, you know, you know, we're just. We're just Getting on and we're thinking together. Let's, let's think together. It's really dangerous when all of our thinking happens inside of our head and we, we're not thinking out loud or we're not thinking with others. I think there's certain examples of personalities out there right now that I think they, they don't. I think they're thinking too much in their head. They're not thinking with, they can think out loud even. But if you're thinking out loud alone, you're not thinking together. And I think that there's something very special and holy about that where two or more are gathered, that God is right there with you. And I don't think that that has to apply to a church setting. I think that can apply to any setting where, you know, especially two God fearing people come together and with the knowledge and the faith and the, the goal, to just do whatever God wants to happen here. It's a really incredible thing. And no matter how much I complain about it, no matter how much I complain about the money, no matter how much I complain about the time that it takes and how I got no other time for anything in my life. Yeah, it's an incredibly fun thing for, for that sort of eternal satisfaction that comes with it. Beat that, Guns.

[Gans]

Well.

I always, I always default on, on this thought, which is that when you start looking at what's happening in the world, there's multiple emotions that can creep up, right? You get, normally when you first learn about stuff that's corrupt and evil and stuff, like you get angry and you want to do something about it and then you kind of go through the different phases and you eventually get to a point where you're either going to be extremely sad and depressed and lamentations, you know, in your life, or you can find the nuggets of ridiculousness and laugh about it. And I think that's the, the friendship I've had with Basil is that we find these little nuggets of just absurdity. We point it out, we laugh about it and we have a good time because, you know, humor is part of our, our makeup. And there's a lot of humor in the Bible actually, if you really dig in, there's, there's some stuff, man, like when Elijah taunts the, the prophets of baal, you know, he's telling him like, oh, maybe, you know, maybe Bale's hanging on a trip or he's, you know, he's not with you guys right now and stuff like that.

[Basil]

So there's the toilet Bale is on the toilet.

[Gans]

So there's all sorts of humorous stuff that happens in the Bible, too. So humor is not.

[Basil]

And.

[Gans]

And that's kind of. I don't know, it's against maybe like a Baptist interpretation of Scripture or something like that. But that's fine.

[David Lee Corbo]

That. That's the second time this has come up today. And I. And I was kind of. I was talking to God on the way here about it. This idea of Ephesians 5. Four, talking about avoiding absidity, foolish talk, coarse joking. I think it uses language, crude language, jesting. And. And I'm like. And then instead to have this. This. This spirit of. Of giving thanks. And. And I'm. You know, I was just kind of. And it came up twice, like, it came up in this conversation. And it came up with another guy who came all the way from Indiana just to see us shout out to Dave. And he said that the Holy Spirit sent him. And he said that not to change what we're doing, because I was. I was trying to, you know, with. With comedy, you wonder if you cross.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

The line, trying to apologize for the things we've said.

[Basil]

I've done a lot.

[David Lee Corbo]

I've said a lot of things.

[Basil]

And.

[David Lee Corbo]

And I. And I think that I do cross the line often. And I. I try to, you know, pull that back, but, like, better within me, there is, you know, a lot of humor. A lot of humor. And I'm just trying to understand.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

We did the Bible study just recently on First Kings with Ahab. I found the entire chapter very funny.

[David Lee Corbo]

And we made fun of Ahab a lot.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

God plotting against him. Ahab being just a wimpy, whiny to his wife.

[Basil]

Sorry.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

It's very funny to me. I'm not gonna eat my bread today. But you have to eat your bread.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, I don't want you reading this.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

And Matt's reading, and he's very serious, straight Bible. And he's like, this is. This is heavy. And I was like, this is funny.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's very funny.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

This is very funny to me.

[David Lee Corbo]

And then she goes, don't worry. I'll go and kill them all for you and take their land. You know, it's like.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

But he won't give me his vineyard. I'm like, this.

[David Lee Corbo]

This is very funny. It is. It's very funny. So. So. I don't know, man. I just. But I just wanted to say guns.

[Basil]

It's.

[David Lee Corbo]

It's interesting because we find that too. I'm sure you guys do. It's like, you haven't wrong with us. And. Yeah, that's for sure. And hopefully, you know, God can help us with that. But, you know, through. Through this show, you know, sometimes you get little things. The conversation goes in a way where it's like, I'm asking God to send the Holy Spirit guide my words. Also, if this is meant to be revealed to me, reveal it to me.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

And he sent the guy with the VR God goggles.

[David Lee Corbo]

He sent the guy with the googly eyes and the V. That's a great point, dog. That's a great point.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Yeah, I mean, listen, I. I did most of our audio. Most of our listeners are on audio. They're gonna listen to this and go.

[David Lee Corbo]

What are they talking about? Bang.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

They're gonna go banger. Oh, yeah, banger. But then the video ones are gonna be like, I just got some, like, crazy life lessons from a guy with googly eyes.

[David Lee Corbo]

Which, like.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

And it's like, yeah, that's it.

[David Lee Corbo]

Sometimes God sends you a guy with googly eyes. Gonz. I'm sorry for interrupting. Please continue.

[Gans]

No, no, you're fine, fine. I think you make some great points there. And yeah, I think. I think the laughter has to come from a place of joy and not conceit or, or, you know, going too hard on somebody else. But Psalm 2, and I mentioned earlier how Psalm 2 talks about the, the conspiracy, the kings. Psalm 2, verse 2. The kings of the earth take their stand, and the rulers gather together against the Lord or conspire with one another in some chance.

[David Lee Corbo]

That's huge.

[Gans]

And then in two verses later, the one enthroned in heaven laughs. The Lord taunts them. So even the Lord is looking at all these conspiring kings of the earth trying to come, and he's like, dude, what are you guys doing? You know, So I think there's a place for that. And if you. Again, it's either you cry or laugh about this stuff. And I think bringing that joy is important because these topics are heavy and they are impactful and they are important. And ultimately, it's. It's. It's your salvation. You know, we're talking about Christ, your relationship with Christ, your salvation, your. Your eternity is what we're talking about. So in the, in that context, serious topic, seriously important. But when it comes to the world issues, I think we can step back and, and find the ironies and some of the things that are ridiculous and humorous about it and point it out and again, do it, do so enjoy. Because otherwise we're just going to be curled up in a ball in the Corner and crying and, you know, nobody wants that. So.

[Basil]

Yeah. The joy of the Lord is our strength right there. Another book nobody reads.

[Gans]

Yeah, including myself. There you go.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, that's. That's it, man. That was great. Thank you guys so much for, for joining us. It was so, like. It's just weird for me, you know, because I. It's like I started a conversation on the way here with just me and God and then just ended a conversation with all you guys on something that, like, you didn't know I was talking about. It's just strange.

Where can everybody find you guys?

[Gans]

Well, you can find my. Yeah, you can find me on X at Face like the Sun. That's S U N. It's based on Matthew 17 and Revelation 2. You can also go to YouTube, look for face like the sun there. I think if you just type in Age of Deceit, you'll be able to find my channel. And then for Canary Cry Radio, actually, I think our website's down, Basil. I think.

[Basil]

Okay, websites are nothing. But we have this problem where our. Our entire career has now splintered into several different places, mostly thanks to getting banned from YouTube so many times. But the, the best way to find our show, we do Canary Cry News Talk. It's a show we do twice a week. Just going. I don't want to say it's just necessarily a news show, but it's very much similar to a little bit what we did here. We'll follow whatever's going on in conspiracy land or headlines or whatever politics, blah, blah, blah, boring stuff. But we make it fun and apply the Bible to it as often as we can two times a week. We also do a show called Canary Cry Clubhouse on that same channel. And Canary Cry Radio, you can find Canary Cry Radio, Canary Cry News Talk on all your podcast players. We're also kind of old school. We're pretty actually new and not very good at the vet at the video thing, but we try, but we're old school. Everything's on all the podcast players. Just, just remember this is the hardest thing and it's our fault and we screwed it up when we did and we never were able to recover from it. Canary Cry Radio is our original show. Interviews, long form, deep dive explorations. Canary Cry News Talk is our news show. It's live twice a week, so if you search Canary Cry Radio and Canary Cry Newstalk, you'll find them both. And apologies for the bad website. And I'm on X to Basil underscore rose water. You can say Basil if you want but it's Basil.

You know, it's funny, and I don't blame anybody.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

He's from New York.

[Basil]

There's people who tell me that they have been listening to us for over a decade. They're raising their children, you know, listening to us. And they'll still call me Basil to my face. So it's totally fine. It's. It's all good. But, yeah, connect with us. We've got just a really incredible community. I know a bunch of our people are fans of Nephilim Death Squad. They'll be stoked. We been keeping this under wrap, so hopefully, as it comes as a nice surprise to some people. But, yeah, man, it's truly a pleasure. We love. We just love seeing what you guys are doing. Love seeing how well you're doing it. We just want to support you in whatever way we can, and hopefully we can stay buddies.

[David Lee Corbo]

Well, thank you, man. I. I plan on it. Basil. It's a lot of fun.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

I was just.

[David Lee Corbo]

Fine. Don't you dare talk to you guys. And, uh, we'll have to do it again soon.

[Gans]

Absolutely. Let me. Let me play this jingle. We've had this jingle for a long time.

[Basil]

Please.

[Gans]

And it is a Nephilim update jingle.

There you go. There's our next jingle.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

That's awesome. Everything is Nephilim news. Well, we. We have something called the Nephilim News Network that we kind of, like, abandoned because.

[David Lee Corbo]

No, we just do it rarely. It's like, it's not a thing that I'm gonna keep on. We do cross the line. Do it. We know some of the jokes we made.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Yeah.

[Basil]

I think I'm a world record holder for side projects that just kind of went away for one reason.

[David Lee Corbo]

Just like us. For real.

[Basil]

Yeah.

[Gans]

Like, respect the grind. Respect the grind.

[David Lee Corbo]

Absolutely.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

Guys, guys, thank you for coming on. It's been an excellent day of podcasting as we go into the Thanksgiving holidays. I hope you guys enjoy your time.

[David Lee Corbo]

Oh, Happy Thanksgiving. Happy. I don't know, Pagan harvest season.

[Gans]

Bird day. Eat the bird.

[David Lee Corbo]

Bird day, baby.

[Basil]

Yep.

[Gans]

There you go.

[Co-host (unnamed, possibly a comedian or fellow podcaster)]

The family. Guys, until next time, don't forget to obey, submit, and comply. We'll see you later.

[Basil]

Sa.