Bugs are Demons w/ Paranoid American

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad — “Bugs are Demons” w/ Paranoid American

Airdate: April 28, 2026
Host: David Lee Corbo (Top Lobsta)
Guest: Thomas (Paranoid American)

Episode Overview

This episode unpacks the wild, provocative theory that “Bugs are Demons”—delivered with Nephilim Death Squad’s signature blend of biblical commentary, conspiracy, and irreverent, comedic banter. The guest, Thomas (Paranoid American), brings his expertise from years in the conspiracy/paranormal comic book world and his history in Freemasonry, declaring his intent to renounce it and “bend the knee” to Christ (03:25). The show runs the gamut: etymology of “bug,” spiritual/demonic symbolism of insects in ancient texts and pop culture, moral quandaries about killing bugs, bugs in biblical plagues, and even the modern connection between demons, “AI bugs,” and psychological parasites.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Origin of “Bugs are Demons”

• Thomas admits: “I did kind of pull it out of my ass originally… just kind of flippantly in the Mad Libs way I was like, ‘if I just say blank are demons…’” (21:17)
• Research reveals a twist: The word “bug” in Middle English (bugge) meant a demon, ghost, goblin, or terrifying spectral creature—“It did not mean insect… It literally translates to demon and goblin and ghost and specter.”—Thomas (23:02)

“Just through dumb luck, I feel like I just threw a dart at a conspiracy board… and it just happened to hit the bullseye.” – Thomas (23:29)

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2. Bugs, Demons, and Parasites: Historical and Biblical Layers

• Etymological overlap between bugs and evil/disembodied spirits
• Repeated motifs in spiritual, biblical, and mythological literature:
  • Plagues of locusts, flies, and worms as divine or demonic punishments
  • “Lord of the Flies” (Beelzebub), scorpion-men in Gilgamesh, Aztec obsidian butterfly of infant mortality, Zoroastrian fly demons, Japanese yokai bugs and spider-women

Notable Bible References (39:36–41:46):

• Kings 1 (Beelzebub)
• Matthew 12:24 – Jesus and Beelzebub
• Mark 3:22 – “Prince of demons”
• Revelation 9:1–11 – “Demonic locusts” with faces like lions, stings like scorpions
• Joel 1:4, Ecclesiastes 10:1, Isaiah 66:24 (“worm that does not die” imagery)

“There’s a direct relationship between bugs and either moral decay or physical decay.”—Thomas (30:02)

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3. Ethical & Philosophical Tangents: Is it moral to kill bugs?

• Morality of killing bugs: “If it’s pretty, maybe it’s wrong… If it’s a cockroach, kill it.” (Starting 31:03)
• Connection to spiritual hierarchy: “Humans have dominion over animals… but we act on feelings of disgust.” – Thomas (36:33)

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4. Parasites as Spiritual Conduits & Biological Demons

• Experiences with parasites—the show’s hosts recount past guests claiming demons as parasites (24:05)
• The role of bugs in possession/exorcism, and as symbols of spiritual corruption
• Films referenced, including The Happening, Devil, and fairytale motifs

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5. Bugs and Demonic Archetypes in World Myth

• Bugs as recurring icons of death, pestilence, and evil in many faiths and folklores:
  • Mesopotamia (scorpion-men)
  • Aztec (Obsidian Butterfly, moths associated with Saturn and “Rothschilda”)
  • Zoroastrianism (Nasu, demon of carrion who appears as a fly)
  • Hopi legends (Ant People = bug-like aliens/cryptids)
  • Japanese yokai/spider women
• Pop culture references echoing these themes:
  • Kafka’s Metamorphosis, Men in Black, Starship Troopers, Constantine, Nightmare Before Christmas (Oogie Boogie as a literal sack of bugs), horror movies and comics (Spawn, “the violator”, etc.)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (With Timestamps)

On finding meaning after stating “bugs are demons”:

“I start researching… and the very first thing that comes up was that the word bug originally meant disembodied spirit…” – Thomas (23:02)

On bugs as spiritual cleanup crew:

“It’s a spiritual cleanup crew.” – Co-host (86:54)
“They’re absolutely necessary in the ecosystem of who you are.” – Co-host (86:54)

On reverse-engineering conspiracy:

“First I come up with the idea, then I do research to back it… That’s how science works now!” – David (23:29)

On the Bible’s literal ‘bugs’:

“Locusts, scorpions, flies, worms… Revelation’s demonic locusts, Exodus and Joel talk about plagues, Isaiah’s the worm that does not die…” – Thomas (41:06)

Morality and disgust:

“So you get to decide whether a bug is cute or beautiful or ugly. You’re damn right. … I do the same thing with people.” – Co-host & Thomas (35:14)

On modern technology and spirit ‘bugs’:

“The original person that coined the term bug… Edison… working on the Necrophone, a telephone to talk with spirits… A bug in the system is a demon!” – Thomas (112:14)

Internet age demons:

“If you were going to say what are demons… probably gonna go with AI, or a daemon inside a Linux OS. The process just runs.” – Thomas (113:55)

On chemtrails, “spiritual Faraday cages” & future NDS discussion:

“Chemtrails might be a spiritual version of that, that you’re no longer allowed to project your consciousness outside of the ionosphere because these planes are creating a spiritual Faraday cage.” – Thomas (127:39)

On their signature approach to conspiracy:

“The less you understand about the world, the cooler conspiracy theories you can come up with.” – Thomas (123:02)

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Other Highlights & Running Jokes

• Extended riffing about Freemasonry, secret societies, and their overlap with bugs and demonic concepts (09:16+)
• References to Bohemian Grove, ongoing beef/forgiveness with Timothy Albarino, and inside show jokes (e.g., “Book of Enoch is signed like Aleister Crowley—a penis!” (09:04))
• The “eat the bugs” dystopia meme and World Economic Forum (74:20):
  • “I’ll eat man flesh before I’ll eat the bugs and I’ll get gout!” – David (80:21)
• Philosophical “would you rather” scenarios: parasite in the gut vs. brain (117:53)
• Extended pop culture connections (Men In Black, Kafka, comics), including the symbolic meaning of bug-based villains

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Meet Thomas/Opening banter: 03:01
• Origin & etymology of “bugs are demons”: 21:12-23:34
• Biblical bug-demon references: 39:36-41:46
• Moral philosophy of killing bugs: 31:03–36:33
• Bugs in mythology/culture (Hopi, Aztec, Zoroastrianism): 47:42–54:50
• Pop culture & modern ‘bugs’ as demons: 93:01–104:44
• “Bug” in AI/tech contexts; Edison’s “Necrophone”: 111:36–113:49
• Paranoid American plugs his work: 124:33

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Closing

The hosts, with Thomas, wrap up by reflecting on the depth and pervasiveness of the “bugs are demons” motif—making the case that in history, folklore, spirituality, pop culture, and even modern tech, bugs and demons are deeply entwined as symbols of corruption, decay, and oppositional force. They riff that the less you know, the more fun conspiracies get—a nod to the show’s spirit of dangerous curiosity.

“Bugs are demons—bugs are demons, very clearly.” – Co-host (123:41)

Find Paranoid American: paranoidamerican.com
Check out his “children’s book about chemtrails” and conspiratorial comics.

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Summary prepared for listeners who want maximum insight and the best lines without (too many) bugs in their system. For details on next episodes, costume competitions, or spiritual Faraday cages—stay dangerous, NDS style.

Transcript

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Joining us in studio, which is fantastic, is Thomas the paranoid American. Thomas, before we get into today's discussion, let's remind everybody. How dare you Thomas, let's remind everybody what it is you do and where people can find what you do.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I'm a paranoidamerica.com. i've been putting out conspiracy and occult themed comics for over 15 years now.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's been a long ass time, dude.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I started when I was doing animation at Disney for about 10 years. Ex military, current Freemason, although unbelievable current disavow big. Well, I wanted to tell you guys the real reason that I'm here. I'm ready to renounce Freemasonry. I'm ready to bend the knee and admit that Christ is king.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And that's what this is about. That's actually what this entire episode is about. But before we bend the knee, I'm glad.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I thought this was going to be a struggle session.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, look at dude, by the way. 15 years. No, bring that back up. Don't take that down. You have some of the coolest work. I mean it's really unique what you've been able to pull off. As far as you know, everybody who has a podcast has merch. You had merch before you had a podcast.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It's humbling. It's humbling.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It is humbling. Makes you feel like shit. Thomas's merch. I don't even. The products that come out of Paranoid American are some of the coolest things. If you are into conspiracies and, and just, you know, if you're not going to be a black pillar about it, you're going to have fun.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Also if you guys are here, we have some. If you make it out to the standard coffee shop casino in Christian library, we have some cool stuff to. He gave us merch to kind of

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

give out to people around. Yeah, it's all cursed with the curse of Freemasonry. And I don't. I saw him doing it. I pulled up in the parking lot and he was walking around his merchant seven times in a circle.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I saw that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I said, what are you doing? He said, I'm cursing the merch. And I said, merch? He said, yeah, I'd like you to give it away to the people that stop by. And I said, all right, so we'll forewarn you. But if you come by the standard coffee shop slash casino slash NDS Studios, you can just grab whatever the fuck you want here. I don't care, it's yours.

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Don't say that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You can take. Take whatever you want.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

It's free and it's full of lies. And I learned from you that lying is so Easy. So that's what I do now.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Well, literally, nobody will stop you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That is true.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

We've learned.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And by the way, Thomas Pattern American will be at Bohemian Grove. Right. As you have been at every Bohemian Grove. And not only will you be there in. In this, you know, capacity, you help with the merch, you also do performances. But you're also the. The guy whose job it is to convince Donut to come to these events as well.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Every time he's like, they're not going to kill you, Donut.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Whether or not Donut comes out is entirely dependent on how convincing Thomas can be.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I'm gonna have to ramp it up this year a little bit because of the hot dog incident from the last year.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What happened with the hot dog incident? I remember that. I thought he was fine. You know what, by the way, if

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

he shows what happened to the.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Has to show up as a Teletubby.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Why do you keep doing this to people?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't know. It's fun, man.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Stressing us. Please. Our producer, Nancy, has to come as a geisha. What happened with the hot dogs? Are you serious about hot dogs?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I don't think you talk about it, no. But I do think that there was some people that came that don't want to come after the hot dog incident.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

All right, well, let's just leave it at that, because I don't want to.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't want to open old wounds.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Reopen old wounds. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I mean, well, you're doing your best with all this hot dog paraphernalia here, by the way.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, we have some really fantastic hot dog paraphernalia that's been coming in these last few days. And I'm very grateful to the people who send things. And thank you so much for my hot dogs. So. So we were discussing before you came on what exactly we're going to talk about, and. Wasn't much of a discussion. You came out of the gate pretty hot and you said, bugs are demons. And I said, book yourself. And I sent you the calendar because.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Go book yourself.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Nothing gets me more erect than blanketly calling something demons. Yeah, it's one of my favorite things to do.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It's what we were discussing before what got us in some hot water with Albarino, which we've, you know, we've smoothed that over. That's not a joke. Chaney thought we were lying about the Albarito thing.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Yeah, about it being smoothed over.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, no, no, no. We are friends now. And I love him dearly. In fact, he's gone from when you

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

say it like that, though.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Someone that I. I've been dead. The proof. What is the proof?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Oh, yeah, well, Cheney made a good point, though, that I thought was interesting, is that you might have squashed the beef publicly. And Alberino's, like, on page and everything, but there is a non zero number of his audience that are like, all in. Alberino don't have any idea what this beef was. And they come in six months, 12 months later, and they're like, oh, I want to see these Nephilim death squad guys.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And they start going through comments and. And like, they're jumping on Albarino's feed, calling him an NF and calling him all of these things. It's like, no, no, no, it's squash. But they don't know it was squash.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

What do you mean by nf?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Hit the button. Can you hit the button?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, I don't. Well, it doesn't work anymore. I don't know if. Nope. I press it. It doesn't make any sound. Well, look, this has already been a problem. Some people on Twitter haven't gotten the announcement, so they're still. They have the guns. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

And I tell them, hey, calm down.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We have to say, hey, he's our friend now. We love him. Whoa. But one of the things that's really kind of messed up is we have a backlog of appearances we've made on other shows that still have to air the fun.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And so if you're up to date with our content, you know, it's all been squashed. I admit that I called and apologized because I'm a psychopath, but every third week, there's a throwback episode from somebody else's show where we got on another platform and we were like, you know what? Fuck that guy. Yeah, fuck that guy. Right where he breathes. Then you go, sure. It.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

We're like, what? He sent us because, yeah, he doesn't believe us. I think it's beneath you or behind you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It is beneath me, and it's also behind me. And so I try to.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I believe you, though, because Christians hand out apologies like they're nothing, but then they'll. They'll kind of damn you again soon after.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, yeah. It's only a matter of time until we damn him again.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Until he. Damn.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But of course, we have this sign by him. It's the Book of Enoch.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That's exactly how Aleister Crowley signs his name.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I knew that. I fucking knew that.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Here we go.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

By Aleister, Ghost of Crowley.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Has anyone brought that up?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Before.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That is so obvious.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

No, Are you serious? Let me see that again.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

If you Google a signature from Aleister Crowley compared to that.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I can't believe we're doing this again.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Thomas, I swear to God. Don't, don't. Let me find out that he gave us an Aleister Crowley side book.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The top one. Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Actually not an A. That's a penis. He drew a small penis.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That's exactly what it looks like. Unbelievable.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But. But we have buried. Buried the hatchet. And I'm not here to open up old. Well, you're about to. No, it's fine. You know what?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Let's free masonry. Demounts everything. Crisis king.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You know, people get real upset with you. And I'm sure you experience this all the time because of your, you know, your freemasonry. To which I say, before I ever found Christ, if I was not a lazy piece of. Look at that. He does make the a. A penis.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah, I mean, it's. It's a little close.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's a one to one. Virtually identical.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Are you saying that we're gonna have to kill him?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, let me just point out that his is missing the balls. I don't know if that was like a symbolic.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay, no. You're trying to walk me into a joke. You're trying to walk me in a joke. And I'm not gonna say that because I love Timothy Alvarino.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

We friends.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But before I ever had a show, before I ever came to Christianity or came to Christ, if I wasn't such a lazy, unmotivated slob, I would have walked into a freemason lodge. Because I wanted to know. Obviously, if you're a conspiracy theorist, they're going to come up and in my youth, not even super young, but like, maybe in my 20s or something, I was thinking like, why don't I go and join and like find out what these fuckers about, like, you know, covert style and infiltrate them and things like that.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, that's kind of how I. That's kind of how I got into it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, what I'm saying is that then people would have looked at me now and been like, he was a freemason. And it's like to me, it just seems. Yeah, you got to put that. Put it right in your mouth hole. To me, it just seems like an organic path for any conspiracy theorists. And. But, but, but then you're an unredeemable piece of shit.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, also, there is a definite way that you have to enter. Like, do you have good memory? Can you memorize no book work, then you weren't ever going to get in anyways. So it's a pipe dream to be.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I can't even really read.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, then you definitely. I mean, I think that a big part of a lot of people are like, I might have gotten in. No, you wouldn't have.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Really? Yeah, because they just let everybody in, like the base level.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I mean, you can get in as an accepted entered apprentice, but to actually earn your entered apprentice and then go to fellow craft, then go to master Mason, you have to literally memorize an entire book, word for word, in order. So, like, it's. It's not. How many men's. A level three full map for the entire catechism that includes all three degrees, plus the stuff that you don't have to memorize. It's probably about 150 pages or so.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Wow. Okay. I would have never.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The degrees is maybe 8 to 10, maybe 12 pages worth of work. But, like, you have to get every single word right in order.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What is that? Weeding out.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I worked with a black guy that was a mason. He had the little symbol on the. The back of his car. He was a complete idiot.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I think anybody can find those stickers. Yeah, I saw one the other day. Like, I was driving behind one and I go, oh, look, it's a freemasonry sticker, you know?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So I don't know if it's really that hard to get your hands on the stickers, but I'm wondering what. What process?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Because, like, buy them@ paranoidamerican.com.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

dude, I go on ebay and I buy like, like freebase the Regalians. And like, yeah, I get the Regalian stuff, but it's like a joke. Like, you can't get this on ebay. Like, all the stuff I got, it's all on ebay.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So what I found out later on is the Rotary Club is also like, you know, if you're part of a Rotary Club, you're a Europe shill, an infiltrative fed of. So you know what I'm saying? So whatever you are, if you're a freemason, a Satanist piece of asshole. Apparently it's the same thing for the Rotary Club. So when I was coming to Florida, I was going to start a business. It was going to be an ice cream truck. That sounds so ridiculous.

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[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And, and I was thinking, like, I could take the truck and turn it into an ice cream store parlor, whatever, you know, and. And that. What I should do is I should go and join a Rotary group and that way I can get to know other business owners and try to network. That's basically what a Rotary Club is. And now I'm finding out that that is also cursed. And you're a piece of shit if you're, if you're part of a Rotary Club. But I thought that Freemasonry on the lowest levels was basically Rotary Club.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I mean, you join. A lot of people join it for the social aspect. They want to get like ins in the business community. You mentioned the stickers.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

There are legitimately people that can get out of getting tickets when they get pulled over because they got the sticker.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I mean, in the Winter Park Lodge, a lot of them are police and they've. I mean, they'll tell you that if they know your brother, as long as you're not going like 20 over, then it's just an easy, like, get out of here. That's not like a guarantee. And it doesn't mean that every cop that pulls you over is going to be a Mason. Sure, there's absolutely benefits to it. I don't know if I would go through memorizing books of information and paying all the dues to get yourself out

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

of a, of a ticket.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

You're going to spend more than that in dues over the first two or three years.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's just a fascinating thing because every. It gets hit with this. I know a couple of guys that I went to high school with that are Masons and they get so fucking upset if you go, like at the highest levels, there seems to be some like, Promethean Luciferian, like, you know, bringing the fire to, to man and, and teaching the, you know, the hidden knowledge and, you know, maybe there's some demiurge and all this other crap that goes on Prison Planet. Lucifer is actually the good guy, yada, yada. And they're like you. It's a social club.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And I'm like, I'll give you the top. If you really want to piss a Freemason off, I'll give you the three that they cut directly down to it. Albert Pike Mazzini, World War 3 letter is kind of a big one. People get upset over that. Like, no, it's, it's bs. I get mad about it. I think it's actually hilarious. That's the kind of thing that made Freemasonry interesting to me to begin with. Then you've got the Leo Taxel Baphomet mysteries of Freemasonry 1850s. The. The last one is the one that cuts the deepest for most masons. And that's when you pull up the Argentinian photo of the boy brides with where it's got like the little Brazilian kid that's got like a veil over and there. If you just search for Masonic boy brides. Masonic boy, that one probably gets masons worked up the absolute most.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

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[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

It's. It's okay. I see the one on the right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

This one right here?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Yep.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay. Hold on a second. I don't even think I.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

This is the one that seems to really rustle the them a little bit the most.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

This does look problematic.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

It's funny that it says 33rd degree boy bride ritual.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Is that what you have to get to 33rd degree of boy bride before you can marry? Oh, don't press that.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Don't press that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, don't press that one before you can marry a freemason? Is that what the thing is? Hold on a second. Is this it?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

This is the one that will legitimately get most masons angry immediately when you pull this up and make the insinuation that like. And what happens after they walk off the frame?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What is this? I mean, what the hell am I looking at here? You got a little brown boy, this looks like top as a child. And he's got a veil over his head like a bride. And he's being walked down by bison. What? What? What is it?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So this is what you pull up. If you ever are in a debate with a freemason and they're like, we're great. We have charities and we're trying to make good men better. You show this and be like, what is he doing to that little boy? They will get angry.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, what is he doing to that little boy?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

What is he doing? No, I'll tell you what the answer is. This is actually not standard freemasonry. This is something that happens in South America, only I can't remember if it's Brazil or American boyfriend. But this is essentially you will in the States and in Europe, I believe in the States we have the demolay, which is kind of Cub Scouts. It's like, you know, for little kids, masonry up until you're like 17 or so, they don't necessarily have de molay the same way in South America, but they have these rituals where they're essentially taking their sons or their grandkids and they become like married to masonry, which really means that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Let's assume I don't know who this guy is, but let's assume that's his grandkid. He's kind of look like they could be he's going to raise his grandkid to follow the. The morality and the standards of Freemasonry.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's like an inversion of the Bride of Christ.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I was just thinking that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Correct.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Yeah. He's not. I mean, I don't know him in particular. I don't think he's bringing that little kid back to bed to bed him. I think that this is just like a legit. But it is weird looking. It is nonstandard. It's not part of that typical American Freemasonry. This 100% though. If you ever get into an online debate with a Freemason and they're taking themselves too seriously, you plop this in thread that's funny. And most Masons don't actually even know the origin of this photo. So they'll start jumping through hoops trying to explain what they're looking at.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's kind of funny.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I'm gonna hold on to this one.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Well, shout out to Chase Geyser because we're coming for you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, yeah, Chase just had a debate, I think, with Jay Dyer. And I don't watch debates because I hate them.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Me too. Why do we do one?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, that wasn't really a debate. That was me crashing the fuck out and accusing Timothy Alberto of being some sort of paid agent Aleister Crowley guy. Lou Elizondo. Yeah. The same guy. One of the same. That's fascinating. Well, I'm gonna keep that in my back pocket to ruffle the feathers of freemasons. But I want to get into this discussion.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Thomas is tanking our relationship with Albarino. No. You realize that, right? We're never going to get him to Bohemian Grove now.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

He's going to be at Bohemian Grove. Did you know that?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I think he should be.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's a live cardboard cutout of Timothy Albarino will be there, and we're going to be it. He will be hosting alongside us a Timothy Albarino costume competition at Bohemian Grove. And that's real. And I'm not being sarcastic.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Are you expecting the actual Albarino to be there?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No. I asked him directly and he said no. He said no, absolutely not.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Do you remember Major League, the movie with Charlie Sheen, baseball? And they were trying to raise money, and every time they raise a certain amount, they would, like, remove a little bit more clothing from the owner of the baseball team.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Do you remember that? I'm just planting seeds. You could have, like, we could do that. And as you sell more tickets, like, another article comes up first. The Indiana Jones comes off. And then, like, it's just. Just an idea. It would. It's. I don't think we could find visual progress.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

The women in the audience would blush. Alvarino is 7 foot 2 and he's got a chest like a barrel. And. And he's got a great set of hair.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I don't think it would just.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

He's got a big. On him. And I don't think that we can do that. But, yeah, we are going to have a costume competition. And once again, I actually think that bears reiteration. So a lot of you guys who bought tickets, we're only going to have about 20 entries for the costume competition. Because you figure if each one gets judged at a span of two to three minutes, 20 means an hour. An hour of a costume competition with us judging it and ridiculing people. So everybody is free to dress like Timothy Albarino. But we only have 20 meaningful entries that can enter into the costume competition. So keep that in mind. If you want to enter, you're going to have to really, you know, dress to the nines. And then we're going to have a pose competition. We talked about the megalithic prison pose.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Also the frame mogging, hands on the hip pose.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah. And we'll come up with pose. There's a lot. There's like the crouch. There's different. Different things you can do, guys. So study up. We expect your best.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. I mean, if you're going to bother to take up the entries, I mean, you're going to want to. You're going to want to do your best. So this idea of. Of bugs are demons. Bugs are demons. When you said, where did you pull

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

that out of your ass?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's such a great. How do we. How do we begin to unpack this?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, I'll tell you, I did Kind of pull it out of my ass originally because he's like, I can say

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

anything on this show.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Kind of wanted to get back on the show.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

It wasn't necessarily you guys. One of my good friends, Ted Logan on X. They're big into, like, flat earth and stuff. I love these guys. I think they just.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

They'll be back on soon, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Who's that?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Ted Logan.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I thought, oh, yeah, Ted is gonna come on soon, and he's also gonna be at Bohemian Grove.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Okay. That's awesome.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, he's awesome. He's a great dude.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Donut. Now you have to go to Bohemian Grove.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, you guys. So what happened? You guys, like, linked up and stuff and.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Yeah, I've done a couple shows, though. We've been talking, and he was doing a live show one day, and it was like, give me your craziest conspiracy theory and I'll pull you on the show whenever. And I mean, just kind of flippantly in the Mad Libs way. I was like, if I just say, like, blank are demons, like, guaranteed somebody's gonna be like, come on the show and talk about it. So it was just a quick, bugs are demons. Top of my head, straight out of my ass.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And they were like, come on and talk about it. And then I was thinking, oh, I wonder if there's anything actually to this.

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[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So then I start researching, you know, our. Our bugs, demons. And the very first thing that comes up was that the word bug originally meant disembodied spirit. It did not mean insect. It did not mean creepy crawly. The word. If you just look up the etymology of the word bug, it literally translates to demon and goblin and ghost and specter. So that's crazy. Just through dumb luck. I feel like I just threw a dart at a conspiracy board, honestly. And it just happened to hit the bullseye.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's how I come up with first I come up with the idea, and then I do research to back it.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That's how science works now.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It is 100% how it works.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It originated in the 14th century Middle English word buggy. B U, G, G, e. And it's like scarecrow or hobgoblin.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Hobgoblin, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Originally referred to terrifying spectral or imaginary creatures similar to bugbear, Boogeyman.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Whoa. Okay. That's bizarre.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

This thing has some legs.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And by the way, we talk about constantly on this show the connection between what seem to be demonic entities and parasites. There's a huge overlap there to the extent that we had a guest come

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

in and show us a parasite that she pulled out of her body.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Out of her butt.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

And this thing might have been live.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, it wasn't live. It was in a jar.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, how do you know that she pulled out of her butt?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Oh, she out of her body?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, but.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But how do you know? How do you know she didn't pick it outside when she came in?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Oh, that's true. I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, she had a whole story to go with it, and that's how I know it's true.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Okay, yeah, there's a story.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

If there's a story that I know is true.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Bugs are demons is what she said.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And we're like, but it's got your book. We actually came after that. We were like, you gotta fucking leave.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I did realize all you need to do is write a book.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Anything turns out, I can't write a book. I wrote three pages of a book, and then I stopped writing a book.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

You're a quitter, but all you have to do is write a book. And you can just do the podcast rounds. It doesn't even matter.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I've written 60 books. I know about this. They're mostly comic books, but I'm venturing into book books pretty soon. So I know that you write a book, you get invited. And here's another pro tip, too. You can make a fake book and say that it was written in 1835. And the older you say the book is so Lockwood, the more. The more people will believe it. If it's 100 years old, they're like, nobody wrote books about fake things 100 years ago. No one lied.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

People do that all the time. They, like, they go back to, like, these, you know, whatever. These texts that are 300, 400 years old. People say that often. They're like, all you got to do is pick up, like, a dictionary from, like, 300 years ago. Then you'll know the truth. I'm like, I don't know. I think people were retarded then. They're retarded now. Could just be retarded.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Well, I mean, a dictionary from, like, a long time ago will tell you at least what was currently believed or what people were defining as. So that's a little bit different. But a book about things 300 years ago could be just as much bullshit as a book today.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

They didn't lie back then.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

That's true. That is true.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Big facts. But that. That parasite, I think, didn't.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Didn't John Le Bon kind of like.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

John Le Bon? Oh, yeah, we talked to him.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

He spun this web a little bit about, I think, the Library of Alexandria. He's like, when you kind of go back and you research all the way back to it, it becomes this circular information that doesn't go anywhere. So I think he was. Doubt. I forget.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's like a reference to a book that references the Library of Alexandria. And then when you look into that, it's actually referencing another book that references the Library of Alexandria. Or. No, no. Is it that? Or is it the Akashic. No, I think it was Alexandria.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. When you go back to the earliest mention of it, it just stops and it doesn't go anywhere. And it's not really that far back.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Circular journalism.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, circular journalism. So. Yeah, but in regards to that parasite thing that I was saying, we've gotten to the extent where, you know, in our wisdom, we say it's where I say it seems as though parasites are almost like a. A biological conduit for spiritual energy of substance. Like, it's like a conductive little creature that somehow can facilitate the interaction between you and this spiritual realm. Because over and over, even when you see these, like, really weird videos of, like, witch doctors casting out spirits out of people, like a ball of writhing black hair will be thrown up by the individual, which is usually. It's probably a fake video. But even in. In horror films, the. The. The black, misty, tentacled, you know, there's always this aspect of this black, writhing sort of worm.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Well, not just that. I mean, like, so M. Night Shyamalan, who is sort of a culted. Even though he's Indian, he touched.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

They let them in.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, he's supposed to be Christian.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Is he?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Have you ever seen it? His. One of the first movies was Devil, I think, where people get trapped in an elevator and one of the people in the elevator is a demon and they have to figure out which one it Is.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

And yeah, that's kind of cool.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

They don't pick the right one, the demon ends up winning and all that. But like, and his movie, even before that was just like a straight up Christian movie. He started on the heavy Christian angle and then it started getting more mass appeal.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah, he. So one of his latest ones was the Watchers.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And was that him?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

That's M. Night Shyamalan. And he nails. He nails the idea of the fairy Fae lore. But there's one point where like the hand slaps against the glass because the people are inside of this entrapment at night and it has six fingers. So I'm like, okay, so this guy knows a little something about the lore of the nephilim and like where they come from. And before that, he made a movie with Mark Wahlberg, which is why it kind of reminded me of this where.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Marky Mark.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Marky Mark.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The happening. Right.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah, yeah. Where people are committing suicide.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That was an interesting one because the

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

trees are making them do it.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah, right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Which I actually thought sucked. I thought it sucked at the trees.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I like every M. Night Shyamalan movie. Well, not afraid to say you know

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

what to came out.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I want to hate him. I want to hate him because he's Indian.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

But yeah, some of it. Most of his movies do slap one of the village.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

One of. One of the good ones. Shout out. Vivek Ramaswamy.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

He didn't do in that movie.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

In that movie you have these toxins in the air that are being released by the plants and they're infecting the human being too. So you have this parasite host sort of idea and the human beings are then inclined to commit suicide. And that's the same idea that we get at with. With parasites.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Toxoplasmosis and cats is the same. Same sort of way where it would. It would make the rat fall in love with the cat in order for it to eat faster. Eat it faster. It makes the human being more entrepreneurial and risk taking for some reason.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, parasite is a relationship dynamic. It's not an organism. It doesn't indicate a genus or a size or anything. Like if you're parasitic, that's. That's describing the relationship you have with your host. So anything can be a parasite.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

So like us to match shop.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Right? Exactly.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I don't know who that is, but

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

yeah, that's the guy

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

you To Matt's shop. Okay.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yes. Yeah. Also there is that instance of the aquatic parasitic worm that gets in its host and convinces it to jump into a body of water, effectively committing suicide. Praying mantis have this a lot, and they'll jump in and they'll drown. And that's where this thing will. Will or whatever into the water. So there seems to be a lot of these themes kind of overlap. But when we were talking in this text message thread, you started bringing up that was, like, kind of more egregious.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, consider it this way, that the origin for the word bug means, like, this creepy, crawly thing that puts you at an ease. Disembodied spirits, like ethereal, usually nefarious beings. And then that concept of bug gets ascribed to insects because people would get that same feeling from, like, ew, gross bugs. And usually because bugs are associated with decay and feces and just overall degradation. So there's this direct relationship between bugs and either moral decay or physical decay. And that's when the word bug gets ascribed to insects because it gives you that same creepy, crawly feeling that you're dirty or something's after that and that. So for me, that was the first big step. I was like, okay, there's some legs to this. And then I was like, well, if I'm gonna have to talk about their demons, I need some kind of biblical backup so we can quote scripture. You guys are probably experts.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Quote some scriptures.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I've got a list of things.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Let's go.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, actually, let me ask you guys.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. The worm that doesn't burn on bugs after.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Yeah. Eats the bodies, and it doesn't burn up. Let me just ask you, morally, is it okay to kill a bug?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Good question. I was thinking about. My son is, like, an environmentalist, and I don't know how that happened. He, like, loves animals. He doesn't want to kill bugs.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Public school.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

No. Homeschooled.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Oh, God. Fire the teacher.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Kill the teacher. I'm like, why don't you want to stop it? He's like, I don't want to stomp it. He just likes animals. He likes wildlife, and to observe it and stuff. My daughter, kill it. No problem. So then, yes, it got me to thinking about the morality of killing this thing. Like an ant. Like, you know, his entire existence, how much is he actually conscious of it? And, like, I just squashed him out with my finger. So I don't know.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't know. I don't kill bugs.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

You eat them.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, no, no. The only bugs that I kill are mosquitoes. I cannot stand mosquitoes.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Male or female?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I can't tell. I just heard them. I just could kill Them. So you know why? Because I think what happened was when I was little, I used to torture bugs in a really weird way that was like, I was probably on a bad path.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

That's a behavior indicative of a psychotic person.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yes, serial killers indicative. And it's because we had a lot of reptiles and we would feed them crickets. And I. I hated crickets so much because they would always get out of the enclosure. And I remember my final straw was like, I turned the sink on one day, and a cricket came out of the nozzle of the sink. And I found them so disgusting, especially because when you squished them, they would just fill with white cream. It was fucking gross. Yeah. So eventually I just turned this corner where I started to take their legs off and put them in the bottom of a cup. And then I drop a match in there and watch them try to squirm away from the match. And then I would impale them with a sewing needle and. And I'd heat the sewing needle up till it was red while they were. You know, while it was through them. Then I would take their little cricket screams. I would take ice water. I put ice in a cup with water, and then I turned the sink on really hot, and I go, hot water, cold water, hot water, cold water. Hey, this is cold water.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Would he. Would he be, like a good candidate for freemasonry?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Knowing.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Knowing this now, I couldn't memorize.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

You can't memorize the book.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Cool bug stuff.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The only requirement is memorization. There's really no moral turpitude check whatsoever. You can be sworn in on a book of thelema if you want to.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Really? That's so goofy. So I also used to take big black carpenter ants, and I would pinch them in such a way as to get their legs behind. Yes. Big black. And I would. I would get their legs behind their back, and then I put them mandible to mandible and see which one. One, like, the other one would bite the other one's head off. So it was just like this period of time where I was torturing bugs, never animals. I remember, like, not a really a difference.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

What did you do before your cell phone?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We could torture bugs. I remember beating up some kid at the park for torturing a baby bird. I was like, I was fucking in tears. He was torturing this bird, and I just started beating the out of him.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

By the way, a little side. Did you guys see the video of the black lady? She's crying in her car and she's like. They went up to this poor duck and they kicked this.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, I didn't watch it. I couldn't watch it.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

And it's. Baby birds don't have no way to live. You don't see white kids doing like this. And she's going off on the black

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

kids doing that, though. I found white kids doing that. But black kids, they have a lot less empathy for animals. I noticed. So join the Patreon. We're out of here now. I don't kill bugs. I, I just remove them. I don't, I tell my kid, my, my rule is like, except for, no, I eat the mosquitoes too. But I go, don't kill anything you're not going to eat. That's it. I don't give a what you kill, but if you're gonna kill it, eat it. Or, or if you're defending yourself from, you know, whatever, I'll shoot a dog in the face. You know, like, if it's coming at me and it's a big fucking dog, oh, no, like, I don't have a problem. Maybe I'll eat it afterwards. But mostly don't, don't kill a thing unless you're going to eat it. And you're not going to eat bugs. So don't kill them. I also think there's something interesting about, like, I can fucking kill you, but I'm not. I'm going to go really take it

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

up, throw it out.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So it's easy to talk about killing crickets or ants or whatever. What about like a butterfly? If you saw your kid just smashing butterflies left and right, bro, if you

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

had like a bunch of butter slice butterflies you smash, I'd be like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? That's, that's like.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Because the butterfly is symbolizing something beautiful.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's the pretty scale.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Whether you know about it or not. Whether you know about the metamorphosis, you say, see the beauty of the wings and the intricacy? So you're destroying art. And that's something like almost like property. And you're like, now something's wrong with you. What are you doing?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So who. So you get to decide whether a bug is cute or beautiful or ugly. You're damn right. And then depending on how, where it fails on that scale from ugly to beautiful, killing it is immoral if it's pretty, but it is moral if it's ugly.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I do the same thing with people.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Kill the ugly ones.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Kill the ugly ones.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I like that you skipped all the way to the end of the logical conclusion of that.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So this is that concept though, is that morally people seem to think, like, I can kill an animal or a bug if it's ugly or it's scary looking. Hell, even if it's not necessarily something that's going to bite you or hurt you in any way. For like, cockroach, for example.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I fucking hate most people.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

We won't even think twice about killing a cockroach. Even if you're like, pro bugs and pro peed and everything. Yeah, like, my girlfriend will be like, I don't want to see it, but I want that cockroach gone. And if you kill it, that's fine.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I actually had an interaction just over the weekend. I was at my cousin's house. Palmetto bugs, big fucking cockroaches. Just Florida's way of saying cockroaches. It's weird. Huge. I grabbed him with the napkin. I didn't want to kill him, but when I looked at him, he's just looking at me. His body's all twisted up. He's not dead or anything. He's all twisted up and he just squeezes out shit onto the napkin. And I go, fucking gross, man.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Dude, you terrified.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And I still opened the door and I threw him out in the driveway. But I was like, fucking nasty, man. And you deserve to die. But I didn't kill him.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So the reason I asked this is like the morality question. If you go down the Christian path, then technically humans have dominion over all animals and flora and fauna on the world, right? Like, we're like, we're allowed to do whatever we want because they're. They're subservient to us a certain way.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I'd like you to just revise how you say that. If you go down the Christian path. You're a Christian now. You've already.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You've already subservient Catholic.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I don't know if that counts anymore.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, it doesn't count.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Now you're working 26. It might as well be.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You might as well be doing Santeria. Yeah. Please continue.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So I guess the premise, though is that there's a morality that applies to how gross something is, right? And here's that same premise of, like, let's apply this to an angel. If you saw an angel and it's like, got the halo and the wings and it looks like, you know, it's beautiful, it's jacked versus a biblically accurate angel. Does that mean you can kill a biblically accurate angel because it's ugly?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, we don't have dominion over them, and they'll fuck us up real bad. Yeah. So I don't think we can kill that.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I think, I think you're. Most people, when they see those biblically accurate angels are so filled with fear that they're almost in a state of paralysis. And this is actually an interesting theory that I have where we're talking about sleep paralysis being the same phenomenon as when in the Bible these people see angels and they're like, yo, couldn't move, fell on my face.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I started to worship because I was scared. And they say fear not stand up if they're from. If they're from God, fear not stop

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

beating a about it.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah, but it's the same characteristic. Like a lion will have a roar and a roar would paralyze you with fear. Alligators have a different like large cats and shit like that for sound and in for sound. It freezes you and it's supposed to get you to stop so. So it'll make you easier prey. I think Elohim, Benehelohim, they have that same characteristic. And when they interface with this realm, like they'll have mad eyes because it's like seeing a 5D figure in three dimensions. You know what I mean? Or what? However many dimensions this thing is, you all up it you all up. But it has innate thing about it. Maybe it's a frequency that really stops you in your tracks.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

By the way, look at this. This is an ant. Jeez. It just looks like, like the Balrog.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I've got a nice list of crazy looking like animals and insects named after demons to make these. All right, let's get into the Bible parts.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Right.

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[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So here, here's the main ones that I've got. A lot of them are just going to be references to Bowser bub. Right. Which was like a combination of ball and then Zabub and then Zubab was supposed to either mean flies or feces or some say it was the high one. But then the high gets sort of transcribed into like things that are flying. And I believe that some of the explanations for where this Lord of the flies came from, it was a derogatory term. It was like you're calling your God the Most High. Well, we're saying that he's high, like flies are high and flies are attracted to and therefore you're worshiping the God of Shit. And that's where the Lord of the Flies came from. So it was like a derogatory version of this. So a lot of the references in the Bible are reference to this Lord of the flies. So we've got Kings 1 mentions Bowelzebub, Matthew 12:24. They're talking about how Jesus is casting out demons using the help of bowel's above this. These are like some of the claims leveraged against Jesus as like, oh, how come he's allowed to summon demons for good? Then you've also got mark 322322 I mentioned was a very interesting number that also mentions the Prince of demons. That's using Bowelzebub. We've got Luke 11:15 also talking about Jesus using this Beelzebub, Revelation 9:1 through 9:11. And this one is where it gets more interesting to me is they're talking about demonic locusts that also can sting like scorpions and cause intense pain without killing.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's a face like a lion too, right? Or something. Or like a mane like a lion. Isn't there some other descriptive going along there?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I think the scorpion part is way scarier than the lion part in this aspect. Yeah. Then we've got Exodus 8:20 to 24. This is more about the fourth plague where there's swarms of flies and locust. Joel 1:4 talks about a multi stage locust plague that consumes all the agriculture. Ecclesiastes 10:1, they talk about dead flies making an ointment that gives off a stench that can kind of delineate that someone might not be pure. And then you've got Isaiah 6624 and this is talking about the dead bodies against me. This is the worms that eat them will not die.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Right.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And then Mark just basically repair phrases, Isaiah. So we've got locusts, scorpions, flies and worms. And the next step here is that you've got these Mesopotamian scorpion men from the Epic of Gilgamesh. And this is probably one of the oldest references to a human insect hybrid that later, I mean if you're pro Christian, my, my oversimplified understanding is that if you're worshiping Mesopotamian gods or Babylonian gods, then you're essentially being deceived and you're following the devil slash demon slash whatever. So these scorpion men that represented these guardians between the gates of the life and the afterlife, and there was also scorpion women that are referenced in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Is that, do you think that's where they got some of the meat for the Scorpion King from the Mummy? Remember the rock?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Not just that, but I also believe that in the Never Ending Tale. What is it? Never Ending Story, there's also a gate at a certain point that has these scorpion looking figures that are basically blocking this point of no return. That's interesting, this archetype of a scorpion person. And it's just interesting that biblically, aside from the worms, the flies and the locusts, which are usually accountant to the different plagues that come by, but the scorpion is supposed to be this thing that represents something incredibly dangerous that you need to stay away from. And I think that this is a direct reference to these older gods that were likened to be like half human, half bug, half insect.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So that's interesting too, because when I, when you see these bugs, and a lot of them, they share so much in common with one another. You know, when you, when you see one bug that, you know, like, let's say like a scarab beetle, you know, they're like really beautiful in their color array, but like they all look very similar just in their build and they bear a lot of resemblance to a lot of other types of bugs. But when you see scorpions, you're like, what the fuck? Why is that a thing?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It looks like it's cursed.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It looks like, yeah, it looks like hell, like they're, they're like spiders, but they don't. It looks like a, like a little mythical creature. Yeah, like when somebody made up like if you drew that, I'd be like, that'd be crazy if that existed. Fucking does.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, it's funny when you say that, that little thing, because when we talk about scorpions, which I think are anthropods.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh yeah, they are. Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So it's technically not like a bug slash insect. For, for all intents and purposes, we're

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

gonna share a lot in common with, with lobsters.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, there, so there are above ground versions, there's water versions, but when you say little, it's almost like, well, a scorpion can't be a demon or an ant can't be they're too small to be a demon. Right. They don't really scare me. Well, if you look, the largest scorpion that ever existed was nine feet. It was called a Jackalopterus. And these things are scorpion relative. They don't exist anymore. If you don't believe in dinosaurs, then maybe I'm just spreading false information.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's okay.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But this is a. An eight foot scorpion?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Hell no.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So now if we're talking about. Is that a demon? That would scare me. And if we're talking about scorpion men, these scorpion men, hybrids, that seems fantastical because how could a scorpion be as big as a man? Well, right here's an 8 foot version of one that existed.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

There's also an feet big enough to have sex with.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

There's an underwater version that's also 8ft called the Arthopleura.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Nope.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And then there's also a dragonfly, which by the way also has a name after the devil, which I'll get into. But the largest dragonflies had a three foot wingspan. So we have versions of bugs that would have absolutely terrified you had humans existed at the same time.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

By the way, shout out to FJ fool on the Dustin Nemos drop. He's like. So what he's saying is bugs are juice. That's. That's an inside Dustin Nemo's joke, if you get it. Please don't.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Please still come. Don't listen to these.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, no. Juice. Crushed.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

No, no, no. We, we totally defeated Dustin Nemo. I like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

You know who that is? You know Dustin Nemos is.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I don't know who. Anyone.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Thank God. No, let's not even talk about that. But let me tell you something. The fact that there's an aquatic scorpion, things get exponentially scarier once they get in the way.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Have you ever invited anybody to debate on your show and then not showing up and had them sit there and just talk to your chat for 15 minutes before you end the show?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I don't really do debate. I've done like one debate. I think it's the dumbest thing ever to do online. So. No, but I'm open to it. Open. Having someone show up and then not show up.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, I'm open to doing that.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I thought it was a good idea.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It was really great. I thought it was a great idea, man. You know what I want to try to get is like a scorpion's face up close. Like, you know, we're getting all these like, you know, close up of ants.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I'll give you a list of some other really interesting bugs that you can look up that have some crazy names because of how scary they look. So there's a Devil's coach horse beetle.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, I think I know what this is. Devil Coach horse Beetle. I think I've seen this.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Oh, no, it does not look. And if there was an eight foot version of that, I don't think it would be hard to convince someone that it was demonic.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, it's pretty interesting. A lot of the things that we see, like let's say in Alien, right, Like the film Alien, like Alien versus Predator. A lot of those like horrifying faces.

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You got him. There he is. Yeah, he's not good.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

These were also called devil's footmen and coffin cutters.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Coffin cutters, why is that? Because they're eating dead bodies.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Yeah, this was an Irish name for it. So they would find them inside of coffins eating their way through. So you can see the. That bugs, ones that look pretty scary end up being associated with eating dead bodies and decay. So if you find out it's eating like your loved ones, it kind of has this negative connotation to it. Yeah, here's. Here's an even more interesting list. So we've got something called the demon bugs which are a pal Apollo verde beetle. There's Dever Devil's flower mantis, which is essentially a praying mantis.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Was it just demon bug?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Was the other one Demon bugs, which is a palo verde beetle. And these are 6 inch flying beetles that are in Arizona during monsoon season.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Six inch.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

There's the thorny devil stick. The devil's imp, which is a stag beetle. The devil's horse which is another version of praying mantis thing.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

If that was full size, you'd have a real hard life.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

There's a type of wasp called Satan. There's. There's another ant that they call Satan. And then there's also a moth named after a Marvel comic book character called Satan. So there's people out there naming bugs. And I'm not saying that just because some idiot names a bug after a Marvel character and they call it Satan, that doesn't mean that that bug is Satan. But it does mean that. That there is a historical and biblical connection between people looking at bugs and insects and saying that it's either a reminder that demons exist or that it's a precursor to some sort of a demonic possession or demons that are trying to come after you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Or it's so hideous to that. That is literally what it evokes in your spirit to call this thing. You go, that's Satan. Or it bites the out of you and you go, it hurts so bad. Must be Satan.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

What do most of these bugs do? I mean, they're like pestilence. So even if you're growing stuff, what you're going to be battling most is going to be some form of, you know, bug life that's going to be eating your crops.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Or mostly locusts. We're talking locusts for the most part. And that's usually why the locusts are part of the pestilent, is that they consume your food supply, and that's essentially going to hurt you. It's not that the locust are going to, like, attack you and make you sick or anything, but they're killing everything else. And this is why I start out with, is it moral to kill bugs? Because if we ignore locusts, let's say you're not a farmer and you don't care about agriculture. All these other bugs that are part of Pestilence, technically, them eating dead bodies and being associated with decay is kind of a good thing. It's a cleanup crew. It's what makes the ecosystem survive. If you went out there and killed every mosquito, or if you went out there and killed every one of these, like, devil beetles, you're effectively gonna harm the overall ecology of what are you living in. Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

My son asked me that the other day. He's like, if I. He said something to the effect of, if I had a wish, I would get rid of all mosquitoes. And I was like, I don't think that would go well.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I think that would go fine.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You think?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

So mosquitoes, I don't think, do anything.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

At least the robot ones, the ones that they manufacture and they come and give us vaccinations.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Just the Bill Gates ones.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Get rid of those. Yeah, I don't know. You know, I saw a cartoon once that was some guy who made a Habit of not killing spiders. Like, one day something went wrong, and all of a sudden, all the spiders that he had never killed went back and told their friends, and then they came out and helped him in his time of need. There's some part of, like, human psychology like that. When I was a kid, I used to, like, have that thought it wasn't real, but I was just like, imagine if. But that goes on to be like a cartoon. So somebody else is thinking the same thing. Maybe when the insectilens finally come, you know, the giant mantis creatures, and they decapitate everybody, because that's what they do. Giant mantis. When a mantis has sex with another one, they decapitate them. Allegedly. I heard that fact. I never looked it up. But I'm gonna go ahead and say that that's the case when they come to Earth and they finally decapitate all of us. Joke's on you. I'm not gonna get decapitated because I didn't kill the bugs. They're gonna be like, that one's okay, but you and your son's gonna be good too. But you. They're gonna come and kill you.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, I mean, they're cutting off the head of the. I think it's the female that cuts the head off the male.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's how they.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The male didn't kill anyone. So they're getting their head chopped off. No matter what they did in life,

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't think that they. They. Because that would be. That's post coitus. And I don't think they're gonna come here to have sex with us.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I think this is just part of the fourth wave feminism.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It could be. It likely is. Well, that is an interesting observation, though, that insects do make their way into the alien pantheon, so.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, the mantis particularly. Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, also the Hopies called, you know, this group of people the ant people. And the way that they're shown depicted in Hopi, you know, mythology, they look like grays, you know, the big black eyes, and they. They're subterranean. They live underground. A lot of people think that the grays live underground. If that is the same species that the Hopis are, you know, talking about when they talk about the ant people, it's interesting that they decided that they're fucking bugs too. So there's like this weird kind of, I don't know, bug thing that enters the. The alien mythos.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, let's keep going. I got way. I got so many more examples of this Zoroastrianism. They have a demonic lady that's called Nasu, and she's the demon of Carrion. And she often takes the form of a fly. And when you see her, she's supposed to represent like pollution of a corrupt world. So here's another. And if you look at Zoroastrianism, this is. Has a large impact on a lot of modern occult religions. They pull a lot from this, right? So here we've got these archetypes constantly where someone that's represented as a fly in this case, which seems innocuous, but that is supposed to be one of the biggest symbols in other cultures of something demonic or something that's about to bring pestilence or plague or decay. So we're building up a very small case here that's going to get stronger and stronger as we go.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Associated with death, for sure.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I want to. I'm going to keep interrupting because it's just the nature of the show, but if you bring this up top real quick. So this is some of the Hopi drawings of the ant people. And you can see they look like fucking cartoon bug people, especially in that black and white image up in the right. And if I scroll down here, you'll see a few more images of them. You know, they have their antenna. Look at this guy in the bottom, right. Almost looks like an upright beetle, right. And they call them. Like I said, they call them the Ant People. Spider, Ant Woman. So they have. In their, you know, their mythology. I don't know. Just seems like the bugs are important to them, too.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And the new wave of Marvel stories, ironically, that. That one of those ants or a moth named after Satan came from Marvel books. But now we've got Ant Man, Spider Man. Yeah, so. So, like, there's even the character named the scorpion inside Marvel, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I was thinking these references to old ancient deities that were insect human hybrids that are becoming part of pop culture again. So it feels like an archetype that's never going to go away because it has some almost like an epigenetic aspect where you see it and you realize there's something powerful to this.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And also, if they were, I mean, just bears reiterating, if any of these things were human size, we'd have a. I mean, they're just armored vehicles.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And also, over time, a lot of insect names have kind of been dulled down a little bit. Maybe they want people killing off all the bugs because, for example, dragonflies were known as devil darning needles, eye cutters and ear cutters and eye snatchers.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's crazy. They don't even do anything.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

They. Well, but, but they used to be directly associated with demons and with pestilence, even though it's just a dragonfly. And technically dragonflies, I believe eat mosquitoes.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And they're pretty.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

One of the.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

They do, they're scary. Like my wife will always be like, oh, but like I've never been bitten by a dragonfly.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

They kind of beautiful.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

They don't, they don't do anything.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And I just wonder, is this because there might have been a leftover remnant of that three foot dragonfly? Because if you saw a three foot dragon, maybe now it's not so cute and cool looking. Right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. I mean I was in the garage working out the other day and a wasp came in and he got trapped in there with me and my whole workout got shut down. I've got a stick and I'm just swinging it and freaking out so I don't get stung by this wasp. So yeah, if it was three feet, I wouldn't go the outside.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Here's another really interesting one that started coming up. And again, this all started with pulling out of my ass bugs or demons and then sort of like reverse sourcing. All of that there is in the Aztec religion there's something called the obsidian butterfly. And I don't know if you ever saw the Dusk till Dawn TV series that was based on the movies.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, I didn't even know that.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

It's not horrible, but it's not great.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What's it called? The Obsidian.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The Obsidian butterfly. And the obsidian butterfly is actually this goddess of insects, but she also coincidentally happens to be the goddesses of infant mortality.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Whoa.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So now you've got this weird. And this will also become a repeating pattern that demonic bugs or bugs that represent pestilence also tend to be in the same category of babies dying or of children dying.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So I was going to say, because it feels like she picked her powers out of a hat. Like you just go fucking up bugs. Dead babies. All right, fine. That's my thing.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Here's another fun one on that. On that particular obsidian butterfly which was represented of this Aztec goddess of infant mortality. Another associated moth in that same family is called the moth Rothschilda.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And there's another one. The family is from Saturn a day. So you've got. I mean, I'm not just making this up. These are like puzzle pieces that just kind of automatically fall into place.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

By the way, if you bring this up, this is the obsidian butterfly. What's her name? This is a Mexican.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I wish I could pronounce it properly. It's called.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay, your computer's restarting.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Eats pot. Pilates. This is the obsidian butterfly which represents victims of. Of infant mortality. And that is within the family named after Saturn and the. The group named after Rothchilde, that is. Guess where that comes from.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What the hell is going on there, man? That's crazy.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Might be an angel, right? That might not be a demon. It could be an angel.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

So we're opening up our. Our insect murder spectrum.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Butterflies now, correct?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Maybe.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But I mean it looks like.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Are you just here building a case about whether or not we should be killing bugs?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

We're going to get there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

This feels like exactly what. What he's doing sounds like a genocide. When I was a kid and I was doing all that torture that was instinctive. I knew intuitively in my heart that I should be doing that.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And I think that every kid just in your defense that I don't necessarily think that you're still a psychopath. I think every little kid might be a psychopath. I remember cutting worms in half when I was like five or six, thinking like I just. I'm actually creating life. That was one worm. Now it's two worms. Is that true though?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Does that work?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

No.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay. They just die.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, well actually flatworms, it does work. That's a.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Aren't those rabbit hole colon dwelling parasites though?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Flatworms?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I'm not really sure.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

No, flatworms, they can be parasitic, but those are worms that you can cut them in half and they will turn into two different worms.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So then in that case you are doing.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

There's.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's good.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

There's a. There's a whole rabbit hole on. On that. We're gonna skip that for now. Did you know that there's a patron saint? No.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

No.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's interesting.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So look, look this up. Dominic of silos. St. Dominic. He is the patron saint of insects and Dominic part of the re. And I think that he was born in year 1000 and he lived until like 1074 and he was revolting against somebody that was trying to take over an abbey. And they basically. You know, you ever see these movies where someone in the military gets in trouble and they like station them off in Antarctica or they station them off in the middle of nowhere and it's like that's your punishment. That's kind of what happens to this guy, to St. Dominic. Dominic gets put into the worst abbey in the country. And it's dilapidated, it's falling down, it's moldy, it's. It's Absolutely in ruins. And he actually spends the next six years improving this, and he makes it one of the most impressive churches in the entire area. And I. And this is complete. Just guessing based on what other people, like, why the hell is this guy named the. The patrons say to insects was because he loved both. This church was infested with insects, and he was able to sort of get them out. So if you were. Say, if you wanted to get bugs out of a room, like, you have, like, a cockroach, like a termite infestation, you would actually call on St. Dominic. I think you have to be a cat. I don't know how this works. You got to be a Catholic to summon.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't know. I think you could be orthodox or something, too. I don't know how that works.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

It's demonic. Not demonic, but it's demonic to, like, summon a neutral entity to. But anyways, you would. You would call on St. Dominic to get rid of bugs. So he's the patron saint of getting rid of incest.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I got to admit, out of all the things you could be, I'm sure it was a big deal back in the day. Like, we don't have bugs the way that we used to have bugs. As far as them being a problem indoors, especially when you've got, like, food that you're trying to store and all these different things. Like our systems now, it's really hard for a bug to get into a refrigerator. Like, you're pretty good. So this guy probably was the back in the day. But it's kind of looking at it, like, to be the patron saint of bugs. Bugs. While there's patron saints of cool shit rolling around and you're the patron saint of bugs.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, I think he's got like, five or six other things. Yeah. Whoa.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

That's very interesting.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I don't know if you get to pick what you get to be the patron saint of. I think it's like, after you die, someone. Somebody goes to you later, which kind of sucks, but that does suck. But if you didn't know that there was a patron saint of insects, now you know that was St. Dominic.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It would be cool to be remembered as the patron, a saint of retards. Like, after we're dead and gone. Like, if somehow that happened.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I mean, if there's a trajectory to get there. I feel like you're at least on the trajectory.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I'm on the path. It's just I'm kind of retarded. I can't tell where the path goes from here. But by the way, do they all have to be bald on the top? I feel like all the saints pictures they like, they have.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I think that's something to do with the halo but.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And then they're bald back here.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The first visual depiction of him, I think it's that one that you got on the left there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, okay.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

He looks like the that was created I think four or five hundred years after he died. So it's really hard to determine exactly what the patron saint insects looks like.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay, that's interesting. But he might have had the fish.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Yeah, he died in 1074.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Damn.

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[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Another interesting one that, that pre Christianity you had different so Zeus. Now a lot of people think of like the pantheon and Zeus is like the head but Zeus was kind of like ball. There was like yeah, there was a ball hand. Like there was a bunch of different balls and Zeus was ball Zephyr. And because Zephyr was like the name of a mountain, that's apparently where the cave that like vous was born in. So it was like God the mountain where he was Canaan out of and that ends up becoming Zeus. But there's multiple Zeus as well and one of those was Zeus Aomius and this was named as the fly averting Zeus. So before you had a patron saint to get rid of bugs, you would pray to Zeus, the anti fly Zeus and he would get rid of bugs. So now you've got this really interesting historical precedent where people were praying to their God to get rid of bugs and maybe in an over simplistic way. But if you're praying to your God to get rid of something that's a nuisance in like a black and white version like if I pray to God to get rid of the bad, the bad represents the demons and the, the archaic and the things that you don't want around.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I even understand the idea of like praying to these lowercase G gods. You Know, in my opinion, for regular shit, like, if life really was that hard back then and you weren't getting rain and the crop, you know, yield was looking like dog shit and people were starving, and you could appeal to this thing and be like, give me rain. I still.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Follow me here. We might be on the precipice of that. Exactly. On the precipice. Right at the cusp. Right at the mushroom tip of it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Right at the tip.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

What. I mean, what. What we've been thinking about, like, in the argument with Albarino was.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, there's no argument.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Are aliens demonic? And then it comes down to he's like, well, there's good. You know, there's two sides. And I'm like.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

He suggested there was neutral. I'm willing to forgive him for that.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Neutral demons.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Neutral aliens.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Well, so he's not operating on the idea that aliens are demons, but that they are. Some of them can have demonic qualities and some of them are neutral or whatever. We don't think so.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That feels very semantic because, again, like, even the origin of the word demon started from daemon, and a daemon was supposed to be a neutral entity that could be pushed to do bad things or good things.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Feels very Jewish.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It kind of is. Is. Anyway, I don't want to like you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, no, he didn't mean that at all. By the way, as you're talking, I'm just gonna bring up an image of Beelzebub, But. But please continue.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

We really need Donut at the show.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I want Donut to come so bad.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

My dad. My dad was asking about him. He was asking about him. He's like, what's up with your friend Alex? Yeah, how's he doing?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

The greatest, dude. He's the greatest. We gotta get it down here. This is the image of Beelzebub according to Skull and Bones in the wings. Look at that. Yeah, yeah. So just a giant.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Anyway, the idea. The idea would be that, I don't know, tall whites, Pleiadians, or like, the good aliens, the neutral aliens will come and relieve us from the threat, which appears to be the Grays coming. With this whole disclosure thing. We're going to declassify alien life. We're going to declassify UFOs. I think with that will come the threat of the Grays, and we'll have a really nice bad guy to kick around. We have J.D. vance talking about aliens being demonic. And you have that narrative also being pushed not just by us, but by the government assets that are ready to roll this stuff out in response I know, it's like good guy, bad guy, right hand, left hand path. These bad aliens will come. They'll be a nuisance in a way. They look like bugs. And then you'll have something that looks like people. And they'll come and they'll relieve us of that alien threat. And that's when people will be ripe for the deception. That's how like we're reading, how they're playing things out. Of course things will change. Things are going to go left or right from here, but it looks like that's the play for right now. And it's the same play that you're talking about where it's like we're gonna go to this lowercase G, God, the God who has supposed himself above us and he is above us.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Get rid of these bugs.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah. Hey, relieve us of these demons, which are probably coming from you anyway. And of course it's within their power to relieve you of the demons that they are, you know, Torturing. Yeah, torturing you with. With so, you know, good guy, bad guy kind of thing.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And it's an interesting thing too, that, that they would do that. Because when you have, you know, probably

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

pisses Freemasons off if we attribute the quote to Albert Pike. Right. If they're.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, oh, if the people need a hero, like a up paraphrase.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah, but same idea.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

When you look into sort of like poltergeist activity or demonic, you know, hauntings and such. The black fly thing, like insects are often a part of that. I had a weird thing, you know, the audience knows it, but I had these shadow people.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I want to say something real quick.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Go ahead.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

God has worked in an amazing way.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What is it? Okay, what's it mean?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Streamyard just created an update where we can do. Well, not on your thing, I guess you have to update it. We can do a pop out chat.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What's that mean?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Means that we can take the chat out of the screen and away.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, oh, they've had that for a while.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

No, they didn't. They have not had that for a while. I would have done it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So I was doing it on timeline cleanse.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

No, you can't do that. You can't take that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Chat out.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Whatever. This is a. Anyway, we can have Matt back on the show now. Take the chat away from the main

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

screen because he's got a problem. He just can't. So. So this is great. I had this weird house that I was living in and there was fucking shadows all the time and things banging on the windows and everybody Was getting sleep paralysis. And. And. And for some reason, I didn't make the correlation at the time, but at the height of it, when things were really spooky and, you know, my wife. I don't have a button anymore. Would. She would go, oh, thank you. She would go. The room felt, like, really fucked up last night. And I go, yep, I know. And he's just trying to ignore it. Like, I don't know what to do. And my. My house was filled with black flies. And no matter how clean we kept it, we were moving furniture and we were cleaning everything, and we were killing them in mass. Like, killing so many of them. I mean, like, I was like a. A psychopath.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

How many would you say you killed?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Hundreds.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Oh, that was. That was an underhanded softball.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Wait, what did I. Oh, that's about 6 million. Yeah. At the most, it was 271, 000. But I killed so many of them, and they just kept showing up. And it wasn't until after we left that place where I was like, like,

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

oh, yeah, we haven't been talking about the Jews like that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Like, no.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Kind of over it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, we've had people try to come on this show to talk about the Jews, and that's exactly what we said. We go, hey, it. We don't care.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah, it's over. It.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We already did that.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

That was a fence to throw.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

This is. The show has a linear. A linear trajectory, and we have enemies along the way. First it was the Jews, and eventually it became, you know, individuals. Timothy Albarino, you name it.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Now we're going to kill all the bugs. I don't have time to talk about, actually.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Like, I think that's something that this is gonna really take. Take the show off.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

This is something. I look at Albarino, like, this is something I could reach across the table and I go, hey, bugs, Bugs. You hate him too, right? Let's kill him.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Wait, here's another weird thing, too. That on social media, it's one of the few things that you can kill en masse and monetize. Yeah. And you don't get banned over it. There are some crazy. There's one dude that I can't. I don't necessarily follow it, but it just keeps coming to my feed. He has, like, a huge tubber wood. Like. Like, tubber bin.

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Like millionaires versus whatever.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Let's see how an ant deals with this beetle. Here's how. A grasshopper.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And I gotta say, man, like, it's not like I feel bad for the bug. But there's something visceral that makes me feel like this should be illegal. This. This is like immoral. That this thing is like tort. Like you can see it trying to get away and then just give up.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It's something unhuman to the way it reacts to like it almost. You ever play Final Fantasy and you press the attack and he goes, turn based combat.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And then.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

And then the guy flinches. That's how bugs kind of fight.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Bugs fight in turn based combat.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

In turn based combat. And with like. Like life bars and they're like. And then finally when it goes to zero, like, it looks like they might be at full strength in zero. They're like.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

They go on their back completely dead.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I like the one where it is a million ants in a Tupperware and then they drop one like big bad son of a bitch in there. You know, like a black widow or something crazy. Nothing can beat a million ants. Everything dies to a million. Even if the ants are super tiny. Like we're talking like this big. And the bug itself is like that big. The. A million ants wins every time.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

There is that one breaking point. Like. Like in the Final Fantasy video game. It's like the final hit and they get that final hit on the black widow. He's like, my life is upside down. His life bar has been completely depleted. His point's gone.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. I do watch those videos.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I do watch some obsessive and rug cleaning videos. That should also be illegal.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Like it. But you know what? The one, they've been taking like a cluster of ants. Like an Aunt Patty.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Uhhuh.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

They're so small and they're just in a giant. And they just put them on a. On. On smoldering coals.

[Bretzky]

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And then you just watch them all go on fire and. Yeah. I feel nothing.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, let me. Let me pose another question to you guys.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

How do you feel about eating bugs?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I. I hate that.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Eat the bugs. Eat the bugs was the most insulting thing about 2020.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Really?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I think so. Like, it's all the vaccination stuff and all like this locking people down. When you had Klaus Schwab on the stage dresses of a super villain, he's

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

like, eat the bugs.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I was like, you know what? Everything else.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

But yeah, but not that.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

But not that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Go ahead with that thing.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Maybe I'll eat a bug, but not now that you told me to. There was something super nefarious about it. I'm just like that part of it, right? Like. Like was just a. It was the icing on the cake of all the insults, that was because he said it.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

If it was someone else that said it, would it be okay?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Economic forum. It's just. It's the implication of them telling you, like, you're gonna eat the lowest form of. Of critter that's available.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, yeah. Like, my thing is, if I eat. If I ever eat a bug, it's in this fashion, like.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Hold on a second.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What do you want going on, Matt? You got people calling now ordering the. Matt's a wanker. Dude, Is that happening? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's back.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Hey, buddy.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Paranoid American dude. This guy crushes bugs. I know it is. Yeah, he's nasty. Get him one large mata. Wanker.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Sorry, Chad.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Think you want it again? It's just a larger. Get the guys, hold up the standard coffee shop. 1552 P Cruise Drive. Look up the phone number, and order yourself a large iced. Matt's a wanker.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

This is why. And so now you're affecting his business.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Is he mad now?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

No, he's happy about this.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I'm very pleased.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

So he affects his business up front, and then when Matt's in your chair, Matt affects his business in the back, and then he gets real emotional about it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't get emotional. I just get. I get annoyed because we're trying to. We have a show that we have to put on. It's got to be.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

He has an entire coffee shop up front that he's trying to run.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Right, okay. Thomas is a professional, though, right?

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Thomas has notes. And no matter how much I derail it, Thomas waits for, like, the slight lull as soon as I'm done saying something, and he goes, let's bring it right back to the research. Right. But Matt, what he does is, as we're talking, go to camera me. Go, go to. Go to go to make it down the camera me. Okay, you got to press it. I mean, so this is what you're talking to me. Talk to me right now.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

David, what are you doing? Yep, there you go.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Okay. All right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I understand your frustration, and it's crazy because we have a show to do, and he's just. And I know, but that's how he feels. No, he's not doing anything. There's nobody. This. This place is going under. Nobody's buying coffee from here. All right? So. So anyway, giving it away. I don't even remember what the hell I was saying. See? And then he derails it again.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, you're talking about eating bugs.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I ate a bug. I would eat it like this.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Isn't it funny though, like that World Economic Forum correlation between like eat the bugs and like world domination and you being like squashed down that that's included. That's like one of the three points. Live in the pod. Eat the bugs. Be happy.

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[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Be happy.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Silver lining. And maybe this is like the freemason part of me coming out.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Here we go.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But I almost feel that people have taken this the wrong way. That because the messenger ended up overshadowing the message he was saying. But like okay, if someone told you be happy, that seems like a positive message, right?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Live in a pod. Maybe you don't want to live in a pod, but it's like have yourself a shelter, have yourself a home. Ultimately positive.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And then the eat the bugs. I feel like we are on a trajectory when that might legitimately be the only form of protein that your grandkids will be able to afford or come across that I like. People eating cows might be a thing that only the ultra elite top point zero one percent do at like a $30,000 a night four seasons thing.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It'll always be me.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

If you control, what were they proposing on controlling like how much you can, how much grass you can grow.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's like effectively a carbon tax.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

How much sun you can use to grow. So yeah, if we do fall under that kind of totalitarian control, sure we won't be able to have cows, but cows are fucking really easy to get net and really easy to continue to proliferate if you're not retarded.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So there are a lot of aside

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

from the amount of resources that they take to actually bring them all the way up from calves into like full grown cows and then they're like maintain that there might just not logistically be enough resources for you to do that scalable indefinitely. So, I mean, the silver lining being that maybe that was like a pro tip. He was like, hey, if you get used to eating bugs now, then when that's the only option in 10 or 20 years, I'll eat, man. You'll be ahead of the curve. You'll figure out how much cumin to add and how much garlic to add. And like, you'll kind of figure out versus, hey, guess what? Yesterday you had a burger. No burgers ever again. Now you're eating crickets. If you've already had your palate accustomed to eating bugs, it's. And let me just.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I would go vegan before I went crickets.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

If you've never had a. What they call a lemon ant, they are legitimately tasty. It is like an actual snack for

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

the fucking world economic.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Come over here and you can from

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

the fucking World Economic Forum, spread your.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Spread your Freemason Masonic propaganda, but I will not allow you. Listen, there's so much I eat. There's so much space on the earth in general, period.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's true.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

That is not used.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't believe in the scarcity thing.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

There is no scarcity here.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I think in the coastal regions we're all, you know, glommed on top of one another, but I think you just fucking spread out a little bit.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I mean, some of the scarcity is like buying up farmland and then doing

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

bullshit with it or burning it down.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Huge, huge data centers that take up space where you could feed people.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, again, the. The real trajectory that we're looking at in real world, right? Not in like some idealistic.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Sure, sure.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Is that less protein is becoming more expensive. Beef is becoming more expensive. And it's very rare that you're going to think everyone out there is going to just like start growing their own cows. They're going to start growing all their

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

own while the eat fucking bugs. I'm going to continue to eat. Look, some protein.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That's true.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

If you want to live in an apartment, then I guess you could eat some fucking bugs, dummy.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's it.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

So it is a prediction, which is why I did the opposite of that. Like when he was saying that I moved out of New York where the pods were.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Now all your birds are dead.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Now my birds are dead. But I can fix that. I can remedy that fairly quickly.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

If I wanted to, I would. I would get goats. Because you could eat goats.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Eat the shit out.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You can milk them. So protein bars and powders have cricket flour in them. Pasta and baked goods contain wheat flour. Fortified with cricket and mealworm flour. Red dye. I don't know if it means Red dye 40.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

No, it's, it's the red dye 40s. The artificial version. So now with like the push to make America healthy again and get rid of artificial coloring, technically it does mean there will be more bugs in your food.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay, I'm just gonna eat the red dye 40 then. Because red dye has it crushed cochino bugs in it. Natural flavors. When you see what is all that, it's cool.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

We have the chat on our phone.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, your chat's on your phone. That's kind of cool. So, so natural flavors. You know, you see chips and it says natural flavors on it, which is always like what the fuck is in the natural flavors? Grasshopper or locust extracts to boost savory umami flavors. Energy drinks. Cochino bugs and chitin from insect shell Chocolate and spreads. Mealworm based chocolate and spreads. That's disgusting. Dude. Mealworms are some of the grossest creatures in the world to me. Meat alternative burgers. So every time one of these dumb asses eats a 100 plant based burger, it's cont. It contains mealworm larva protein and then tomato sauce. The FDA allows for tomato sauce to include a small amounts of maggots and

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

fruit fly eggs and mouse droppings and human hair.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, that's just like. Yeah, there's a certain passable range of area of feces.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But I mean, I guess I'm just thinking out loud here. This isn't necessarily part of the point, but if locusts are going to be one of the big parts of a plague and pestilence that's supposed to wipe everyone out, then just don't eat the crops and eat the freaking locusts and you're.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, no, I'm not going to eat the locusts. I refuse to. I will get gout before I eat the bugs and I will eat man flesh possibly.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Here's some more references to bugs as demons. Cotton Mather Salem Witch Trials. Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay, okay.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

One of the first books that he wrote about demons was called Beelzebub and his plot. So here we've got another reference to this God of flies, God of insects. As this is now American demonology outside of just the, the European sort of demonology. So this makes its way over to this Japan. So that we talked about Europe, we're talking about like America and Japan.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Bugs, they don't have a problem. Problem with it.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

They eat bugs. But they have even more demon bugs in their culture. They have a spider lady called Joro Gumo. She is an actual spider woman. And she basically is supposed to be an attractive spider woman that lures men in and then eats them like a, like a spider would be like a black widow style.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I've heard of that. They've used that, that sort of plot device and things that I've seen before.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

They have, they have. Most of them are spiders. There's another spider that eats people and it's a shapeshifter and it deceives people called the Tushigumu, which is in Japan. And then finally they have a giant centipede called a yokai, which is supposed to live in the mountains and terrorize people.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Hell yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So there's not any good versions here on the screen.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Toshigomu, I believe is what we just said, right? Toshigomu, giant nightmare, three eye spider, demon creature with a fat tucus.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Oh, wow.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So some people have this fallacy where they're like, well, if the book was written in the 1300s, they didn't lie back then. If I can find enough old works. I think my flaw, when I give things credit, maybe they don't deserve it, is that you have these insect human hybrids that represent evil and deception and pestilence across every culture across, you know, all of history. So. So there's this motif that for whatever reason, humans are constantly saying this thing is evil. Let's get away from this. Maybe just because it's ugly looking, but I mean, humans level. I mean, what is this quote? God loves ugly, right? So like humans assign ugliness and that means it's bad. But is that you ever see more inherent?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's weird because with dogs, the uglier you make them, in some weird way, the more adorable they become. Well, I.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

There's a lot to that, right? Because we're talking about the functionality of what they do and they, they do perform this decay aspect and then that turns into regeneration.

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

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[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

But I guess the question, Man, it's. It's a. It's a deep. Let me. Let me think about that for a second.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That was also an alchemical aspect that in alchemy, usually the reference to bugs and worms and things that are like maggots, that would usually refer to, like, that rejuvenation thing, like a reincarnation where you're taking a lot of. It was like you would take the carcass of a cow, you would stick something in the carcass and sew it up and wait for it to fester. And then once the maggots would start to form, that was seen depending on if you believe that it was all allegory or if all literal. Right. Same thing with, like, Christian interpretation. There's the alchemical version. Well, the literal version was that they actually thought that spontaneous life was coming out of death, that the. The maggots weren't coming from flies landing and laying eggs, but that the death just naturally would create life. And they were witnessing this, like, cyclical version of reality. And then you've got like, the more alchemical, allegorical version, and this is. Even gets a little more deeper where they're saying that the cow on the ground is then turning into these maggots, which then fly. So now it's like an inversion of something on the ground goes up into the sky. So it's like this really interesting aspect of, like, this duality.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So bugs represent that even without that complexity, you do have like, like insect rich soil typically is good soil. Right. Like, if you're gonna plant soil.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Then you know it's a good place to plant. And. And the same thing is true with, like, compost. Right. So if these bugs are going to eat the cow and they're going to. Well, then that's going to be good for the soil as well. It's going to enrich the soil and it's going to enrich compost in that way.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It point. It points back to, like, free will in. In a way, it's what we were talking about, about before the show about, like, being manipulative and choosing. So obviously I'm coming up from a perspective, a Christian perspective, but more of like. And not. Not to say again, to re. To define Christianity. I believe in Jesus Christ. But, like, what I try to do most of my day is to define or understand what God is and the characteristic of why this entity does what he does and. And behaves the way he behaves. And at the end of it would be free will.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Since we have to choose God rather than this array of other things. So in a sense, the bugs, even though they are pestilence, they still perform this duty of regeneration. So, like, they're put here, they're on here as a pestilence, the same way that a demon would be a pestilence to us. Demons, fallen entities that. That tempt us, cause us, you know, whisper in our ear to do malevolent things which would send us to the Pit of fire. They're absolutely necessary in the ecosystem of who. Who are you?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's a spiritual cleanup crew.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It's a. No, it's a spirit. It's a testing ground in a way. But, like, it also. It also gets you a thing. So the same thing with the bugs. Like, we don't want them in our house, and I don't want them on me or on my food, but they're going to be necessary to the regeneration of my food. They're going to be necessary to the decomposition of your loved ones that will then go back into the earth and then grow this stuff. Like, it's a necessary thing. I don't want it. But it's a proving ground. You kind of understand what I'm getting.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I wondered if demons are technically like these fallen beings. Right? They could have been good and then they turn bad and maybe they're neutral or whatever. Could the same be said as bugs? Because is there a possibility that bugs might have been either benign or neutral, but some of them are just like, evil now?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Huh. That's interesting. I was watching that show from. You know that show? It's on, like, MGM plus or. It's on.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

It feels like a Stephen King, but it's not a Stephen.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, but it does bumps me out a little bit because the acting is like, just above a PIX11 show. Like, you know, where they have like, fucking the Flash, Very obvious acting kind of stuff. And it annoys me because there's not any really good actors in it. But if you can get past that, it's a fascinating story. We've gotten to this part now where like. Like there is an entity engaging with these people.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Oh, by the way, this is very important. I'd Be remiss if we bought. Didn't bring this up. One second.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, by the way, you know what doesn't have maggot protein in it?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

What?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Sport Drink. Sport Drink doesn't use promo code squad.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, they probably have a margin of error that allows for.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Nobody asked them. They said 0 is the margin of error.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But we all know what.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Easy to lie. They. They include a little margin of error for human feces, but not. Not for.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Not for fly feces.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Not for fly feces. Yeah. So. But in that show, from this entity that's interacting with people so far has only manifested as cicadas. Swarm of cicadas.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I'm sure that Thomas knows about this, but he needs to see this as well. Like, when we're talking about, oh, this

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

is probably something he doesn't know. I don't think he knows about this. Did you know?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I think I'm. I'm ahead of you guys on this curve.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, you think you know about elephant tits and. And more than us?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Yeah, yeah. I think I brought this up about two years ago on Secret Society of Good Guys. And as soon as I brought it up, I was just seeing elephant titties on my feed all over the place. Like everyone else also discovered elephant titties.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, we just are. Admittedly, we just discovered them very recently.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Let me tell you where I found them from, because it's actually, I think, more important where you found it from. You probably found it online and you were like, all those titties.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We actually found them from Skiba News Network. They showed us to tits.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Okay, well, here's a better source. James Frazier, who's the one that wrote the Golden Bough in the 1800s, I think, and this is where this guy reads that. Stanley Kubrick got a lot of his information. In fact, there's this really famous story where Stanley Kubrick goes to one of the heads of these film studios he was working with, and he carts in a whole tray of like. Like a 17 volume of James Fraser's Golden Bow.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And I was gonna say elephant tits.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And. Well, I'm getting to that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

He's trying to give this guy the book. And the guy is like, stanley, I've got a business to run here. I can't read 17. I can't read about mythology. And the famous quote was, this isn't mythology. This is your life. Like, Stanley Kubrick took this unabridged series. Anyways, I start reading the unabridged version of Golden Bough by Frazier. And I think, like, by book two or three and he's talking about tribes all across the world and things that they do and the things they don't do. And one of the things that he mentions is that in African tribes, if you had a pregnant wife at home or if you're trying to conceive.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

You were not allowed to kill an elephant. It was like one of the biggest taboos. And the reason was because elephant tits look so much like human tits.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, they do that.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

It was essentially like you were harming a human female. And that means that if you, you, if you kill elephant tits now, you're human at home. Like your wife's never going to conceive or your child is going to be hurt or it's not going to be able to be breastfed. Because it's almost like this like against, like.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Are you aware of like the jasher thing where the Tower of Babel's destroyed and for whatever reason some people groups are turned into like different animals. I think some of them are turned like orangutans and some of them are turned into elephants. And if you look at the skeletal structure of an elephant's foot in particular, it looks like a woman's foot in a wedge. And if you look at the skull, it looks, it bears a lot of resemblance to like a human skull. It's just all morphed and up. But the third one being the tits.

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's like maybe there's something to that. This extra canonical Jewish text is the skull. Yeah, yeah. I think the foot is always the

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

much more compelling like the mandible. Like a jaw.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

If you were to, if an ancient or I mean like a modern scientist were to recreate this and not know as an elephant, it would look like a crazy looking human. They put human skin.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, everything but the nose. Like if the nose was different, it

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

was just like a, like a big nose, like a Jewish guy.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And they put this at the National Museum of History and then like your kids would have to learn about it and then like they'd have to answer what the teacher said that that was.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And then repeat it back to them. Yeah, yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But let me just say I was way ahead of the curve on elephant titties.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, I mean I think Africans were. Okay. I honestly thought you were going to a different place. I thought you fucking. Because you know, resources are scarce in Africa. They're eating mosquito patties and shit. I'm like, you think they sucked on elephant tits? They definitely sucked on elephants hits.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But they don't kill them because it would hurt the reproduction. And I mean they are able to reproduce out there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Africans.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Oh, maybe a little too much.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, probably too.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I would say because they're not killing enough elephants.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, that's exactly why. If they killed a few elephants, they probably have something to fucking eat. Eat. You know that's not mosquito pies.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Let me, let me bring us to some more pop culture references. Just because again, if my barrier for if something it has legs or not is how many different cultures and how many different timelines that like this, this archetype keeps reoccurring.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Right, right.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So Kafka Metamorphosis where he basically turns into the big cockroach. This is like a very demonic story. I believe this is not positive for him. It becomes like this Kafka esque reality. You've got the Men in Black or the bug where the aliens come out.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Talking about aliens as bugs. Aliens are demons. Bugs are demons. A like right. That's the literally equals C. That's my

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

research from now on when I go how come in Men in Black the aliens were cockroaches and bugs are demons.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

You've got the fly, you've got Mimic, you've got Starship Troopers where the enemy race to humans where these giant bugs that they had to kill. Although I believe in the the non Hollywood version they were actually humans and they were being trained to see other people as bugs.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Which made it okay to kill them because they're big and they're ugly. You've also got in Naked Lunch, which was from William Burroughs. Heavy, heavy MK Ultra CIA connections there.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Naked Lunch.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Naked Lunch. This also refers to these giant insectoids that like worked on typewriters. And then you've got the Tingler. And I don't know if you ever heard of the Tingler before. It sounds fun.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's what I get when I sit in the toilet for too long.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The Tingler was today. This is really interesting. The Tingler was the very first Hollywood movie to ever mention LSD 25 or LSD ever. It was Vincent Price. I want to say 1959. I might have that slightly off. But the concept was that if you had someone enough psychic. I actually knew what the year was. I just say that so I don't

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

sound like we're too full of.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I love that.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That he reads.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It's called manipulation.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good thing.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I like that I manipulate the people.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's easy.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

What. So the premise of the Tingler is that Vincent opens up on Vincent Price reading out of a book. The book spine says LSD 25. At this point, the psychedelic revolution had not started. People did not know what LSD meant. It was an insider Hollywood thing. Because a slight tangent. There was a pipeline that went from military to Hollywood doctors to Hollywood actors. And then from the Hollywood actors, they. Hollywood learns about what LSD is way before the hippies. Way before.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Is this an effort that's on purpose like a Laurel Canyon kind of a deal? Or is this just like people with excess potato, potato?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I think a little bit.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Okay, so. So the premise of the Tingler is that if you give someone enough LSD and you can cause them to go into this, like basically a trip, they start bugging out. Pun intended. That.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

See what you did there.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That if you can freak them out enough while they're tripping, you can manifest fear and it'll create a physical form. And that physical form turned into this like anthropod looking. It kind of looks like a weird lobster, but like a bug.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. Bring it up on the screen. Top. I got this.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

A terror bug would come out of your body. And then they could like, like harness these terror bugs and then turn them.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You are a bit of a terror bug. Top. Lobster. And yeah, there's. There's some art here. I think I scrolled past it. But it's interesting the way that they depict it because it's like it's commandeering the body here.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

It looks like an earwig a little bit.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It does look like an earwig. Yeah. But check this. Oh, this one right here. That artwork is actually really killer. And you can see it's like it's seizing him by the neck. And it's got his kind of genitalia too, going on there. It's. It's attached to his sternum. So, yeah, I mean, the thing has gripped him with fear.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So here. Here we have a ver. This is the most recent version of like bugs are demons or bugs are these physical manifest manifestations of pure terror that can actually come into the. The physical world and then attack you in the physical realm, not just in the mental realm. So here we've just got, like, a list of different bugs in Constantine. One of the main bad guys, I think it's called the vermin. And that was the. The Renaissance artist that I had you pull up that some of his famous paintings are people that are made out of, like, vegetables and, like, his ears, whatever, somewhere. Well, some of his other paintings were actually these demons made out of insects. And that's where, I believe the Constantine movie in the comic book sort of amalgamated these different things. So there's just. Just very. What was it called?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

The vermin.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

If you look up. Well, the actual guy's name. I had it. I sent it to you, because I couldn't pronounce it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But if you look up vermin. Constantine.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Is this. This is in the movie.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

This is from the movie. Yeah. The one later with Johnny or Johnny Depp. Keanu Reeves.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I don't remember this guy.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

The violator from Spawn as well.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Correct. He also turns into a big bug.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And he's represented as sort of like a demon.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oogie Boogie from Nightmare for Christmas. Filled with bugs.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Correct.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I'm just saying.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, and here. And so. Okay. Boogie. Boogeyman.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, that.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That is where the word bug came from. And bugbear and Bugaboo.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Hell yeah, dude. Bugaboo was a black slur. Well.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, that's. That's getting jiggy with it.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Moon cricket.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Or is it jiggaboo?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Oh, my God. That's a deep cut.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

This is interesting. This vermin man from Constantine. I want to. I want to pull this, but.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But I'm glad you brought up boogeyman, because boogeyman has the exact same source as the original bug, meaning a disembodied spirit, creepy crawly. And the one constant theme of a boogeyman across all cultures, they all have different. They're not always called boogeyman. A lot of them have that same root. And the one theme about all boogeyman is that they eat children. That is the one thing that the parents would tell their kids. The boogeyman's gonna come and get you. No matter what culture you're talking about, if there's a boogeyman, the main reason is because it's going to eat your children, and you're trying to scare your kids into cleaning their room or, like, make their bed or whatever.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I wonder, is this, like. So to some extent, this is the vermin from Constantine. He's actually pretty horrifying. But to some extent, have you taken a thing that already had legs and then created like this egregore out of it, feeding it with the fear of children, fleshing it out with the imaginations of man. And then all of a sudden it's like, I'm here.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I can manifest.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I mean I feel in a classical sense, even in like the, the Greek daemon sense, this was just, just some sort of a tool or entity or neutral power that you kept summoning over and over again to do the same thing.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Is that not exactly what a magic ritual is? Sure. So having the same amalgamation of like a demon encrusted, filled with insects, representing a boogeyman to keep repeating the same archetype over and over throughout cultures, it's sort of like summoning and doing a magic spell over and over and each

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

time it gets a little bit more,

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

more fully realized until you're eating them. And then. Okay, and then here's where I think it is leading into. And this isn't just like wordplay because again, the word bug didn't start meaning insects. It, it was that people were freaked out by the word bug and bugbear and boogeyman because it meant these disembodied spirits. And then you would see a swarm of insects and it would give you that same feeling.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Something interesting too is John the Baptist who people thought was the Messiah. For a little while they were, or at least the shadow of the Messiah. Then they realize that he's like, oh no, he's, he's the guy that's like leading the way. He only ate bugs. He didn't anything else that's like crazy Locust crickets like that crazy. Wait, I don't know. I was just like, I wonder if

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Jesus ever was like, that was not like, I didn't tell him to do that. Yeah, he just, he was ahead of the curve. There was just some things that like he was supposed to do and then like other things that he just decided to do.

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And eating bugs was like really no explanation.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

But that Was like explicitly his diet. And people found that strange.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Crunchy.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Crunchy.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

My main thing is just like when you squish them.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I'm not gonna eat the bugs, though, Tom.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, I'm not gonna eat the bugs.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Also, St. John the Baptist, very venerated in Freemasonry. I don't know if that's just.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's fascinating.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

A random coincidence.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Well, people have been trying to. Yeah. What does Freemasonry make, by the way, as an aside of Enoch and this idea of like Enoch being Hermes. Tits.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

You know, one of the things that was kind of tits after being in masonry for close to two decades is that a large majority of people, they join because they want ins on business or they want to know the comptroller of the county or whatever. It is not a group that you join to learn more about esotericism and book at Enoch. You might find a few people that are into that. But by and large it is. It is like the most entry level of trying to learn about anything occult or esoteric.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's what I. So like I said, I know a couple of guys that I went to high school with. And they get so mad every time anybody brings up, you know, strangeness with the Freemasons. And I look at them and I go like, yeah, you're not lying. You're just schlub. He's like a plumber.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Plumber.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

And he's just doing plumber. And he thinks that by nature of being in it, he understands any potential connections to the higher levels of freemasonry or what influence, you know. High level Freemasonry? Yeah, just schlubs going through the motions.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

This is not to cut any slack towards Thomas, who's clearly involved with all these things.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No. And he did say he was going to take a knee and Christ is king. There's going to be blood. We have to draw blood. I think we have to put the blood on his right ear, take his shoe off, put it on his right toe. And is thumb, thumb or thumb? Should I talk about people? All right.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Bury me where the tide ebbs and flows. Once every 24 hours.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Something like that. Yeah. I don't know. We could. Honestly, what I found with most of these things is you can just kind of make things up. It's the intent that matters. You just go along and. And, you know, as long as you have your spirit.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I do find that. I mean spawn from spawn. I. I can't get this out of my head. Now. The violator, that is a bug, but also a Clown. And the clown that does represent these unclean spirits, the Nephilim. I like a lot of crazy, weird overlap. And it's not accidental. These people were a cult. Well, they had occult knowledge, or at least they figured this stuff out and really nailed it. McFarlane nailed.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Spawn himself comes from hell. He escapes from hell to go and get revenge, back in the world again. So, like, the whole premise is all about demons and demonic entities. We're not, like, making a stretch.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, no, no. And I also think that. That. That Men in Black one was like, really? That's really fascinating because that dude does come as a big cockroach. Yeah. And he's also wearing a man suit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Edgar. Edgar suit. But it's interesting, too, that he become. He comes disguised as a man.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Even the Nightmare Before Christmas, the. The Boogeyman that you're describing, it's so apt because he's just the boogeyman. He's just like a. A sack that's sewn together, but his innards, which would be like, like, like, like tons of bugs. That's legion, right? If.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, that's crazy. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

So again, pointing back to this, the same thing. If Pennywise. Pennywise the clown. He. In. In the book, he says that he is legion. He has these orbs inside of him, but he is legion and he embodies a clown. Again, not. Not so much of a bug correlation, but like the idea of many inhabiting one.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I think there's actually a really close connection there, though, because now you've got the clown. And clowns, even though they're supposed to be, like, funny and like an entertaining for kids. Kids, it's something that terrifies kids. Yeah, the Boogeyman. The Boogeyman was literally, whether it's created or a real archetype, but that is an archetype that is meant to scare children. Clowns scare children. So I think that they kind of share a lot of the same DNA. The clown. What? Clowns are Nephilim, right?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Big boogeyman full of bugs are also Nephilim and therefore demons. Like, it's all. We're playing in the same sandbox.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

By the way, as a. As a brief aside, why do they lay in the coffin and get ejaculated on by a hundred men?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Are we talking Freemasons or. So this is Skull and Bones, I believe.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Dude, I don't think he was going

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

to try to deflect.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

He's deflecting. He's deflecting. Why does it have to be 100? I don't really think it'd be.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I don't think it's 100.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I don't think it's as many dudes

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

as you can get, but it's not zero.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

It's part humiliation ritual, and it's part. This is like, OG Epstein Diddy party partially.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's warm.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

You know that you're doing something that people would basically never pay attention to you again. Right. It would be character assassination. So to willingly put yourself in that situation where people know that you've jerked off in a coffin. Recounting all of your most, like, you know, depraved activities. And then as they're doing this, there's. This is all. Allegedly, they're writing this into books. And then they store it in the room that it happens. So basically, it's saying that if you were ever in Skull and Bones and you talk about them. Because if you're in a room and someone mentioned Skull and Bones, and you were in Skull and Bones, you're supposed to get up and leave and not say anything immediately.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So this was a way of, like, if you violate that oath, then, you know, someone can just go and pull a book off the shelf and be like, let's see what you talked about while you were jerking off in the coffin. And, like, everyone knows that they've got that on them. The same way that. I think the better example is, like, Nexium Cult. The Nexium call. In order to get in, you had to voluntarily record yourself saying horrific things.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Right.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

About, like, your family. Oh, that's because that was the ticket to admission.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Because if you ever play that and,

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

you know, they played it, and it wasn't like they had to trick you into it. That was the cost of admission. So doing that and giving them blackmail on you was actually helping you elevate your status. The same way that jerking off in a coffin in front of a bunch of dudes would elevate your status. Because now they have something on you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's gonna happen at Bohemian Grove. You know, I don't know if we're in.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That's a great idea.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We should at least have the coffin. You could lay in it.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

We could 3D print a coffin.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I was thinking that, you know, back in the day, if you did gay blackmail on a politician or cheating on your spouse blackmail on a politician, it would carry a lot more weight. We've watched these things dwindle off where, like, an admission of a politician being gay is not really, really groundbreaking anymore. It doesn't really even seem to do much to derail them. I feel like if you found out right now, like, Howie Mandel has been jerked off on by no less than 87 dudes, but no higher than a hundred. It wouldn't really do anything to slow down, like, Howie Mandel's career. Like, nobody would even care.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

That's a weird example, though, because he's an agoraphobe. He doesn't like even shaking people.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's the. That's the front.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Thomas knows a lot of shit about a lot of shit he does.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

He reads. Got information retention like a motherfucker. Not to be confused with semen retention, which is not what is displayed in Howie Mandel's case. And I think that if it did come out right now that Howie, man. I don't think that anybody would care. I think that skull and crossbones, they're. They're, you know, things that they do to keep their secrets. The only thing that really matters anymore, and I think we're actually kind of seeing it almost doesn't matter. Is the. The fucking and the murdering and the eating of children. And the reason I say it doesn't really matter. Is because we've been so desensitized by constantly dangling the Epstein carrot in front of us. That now I think if they really did come out and say, like, yeah, they did it, we'd be like, ah, somebody's gonna get him for that.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I feel, too. I mean, we're on that tangent right now. But I just feel like the same way that you might like beef, right? But it doesn't mean that I'm not

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

gonna eat the fucking. But you.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

If you like beef, but it doesn't mean that you necessarily like veal. Or if you've had veal once, it doesn't mean that you only eat veal when it comes up. And I feel the same way about elites. Like, every once in a while, they might order the veal a la baby. But, yeah, doesn't mean that they're always ordering the veal.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I think at this point, we would only go for the more egregious ones. Like, if Howie Mandel was like, yeah, they jerked off on me.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Howie Mandel, Yeah.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I fucking don't like him. I agree.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Did you not like Bobby's World?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I mean, I saw it when I

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

was a kid, which, ironically, his best friend was a bug. The spider, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Every time when he was a monster in the. In the monster under the stair, whatever it was. Was he a bug monster? Was there bugs in that movie? I don't know. I'm sure if we tried.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

You're talking about little monsters with Kevin, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, from, from fucking Wonder Years. Wonder Years. I'm sure if we tried hard enough we can connect that to bugs because this is how this theory works.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, he was, he was too horned. And the two horned entity. This is also related to agriculture, related to sacrifice. And the whole reason that some of those beetles are known as like the

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

devil's beetle, the Hopi Indian beetle with the fucking mandibles on its head. But I don't like Howie Mandel and, and I would, we'll just leave that there. But if he came out and he was like, I used to get, or have been jerked off on by no less than 87, but no more than 100 men and I have eaten babies. But like the veal situation, I don't really do that anymore. It was like a time where I was like really into veal. I feel like people would let them, they'd be like, ah, well, he's Howie Mandel. But, but if you're still eating babies, that's maybe the people that would be

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

upset about babies or bugs if you had to eat one.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's a hundred percent. If I type in babies are bugs, we're gonna get babies are bugs. Well, people already say they're parents.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

No, no, no. Babies or bugs. You have to, you have to eat one of them to, to survive. Are you eating a baby or you're gonna eat a bug?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I'm eating the babies. I'm not gonna eat a bug, man. You're not gonna have me eat a bug?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

He won't stop.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So let me, let me take this to the next level. And the reason why I think it's so important to, to keep reiterating that bug originally meant disembodied spirit. Now what's the 21st when someone says bug? 21st century.

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[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Now we're talking like computers, technology, bugs, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Is this a coincidence? Well, the original, the original person that coined the term bug in terms of like in a system Something going wrong that this was.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Why did that. Why did all the. The birthday balloons just pop up on the screen?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I think it did like a.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Did I do.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No way is it doing that.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Wait, that's like it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Give a thumbs up. Give a thumbs up. How did it do that?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

I forgot what it is.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That was so weird. The whole screen just got covered in balloons.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, the premise.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It's your birthday, Thomas.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What the fuck just happened?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Sorry.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The premise of bugs being disembodied spirits. Thomas Edison is the one that came up with bugs inside of, like, a system. And it was when he was working on something called the Necrophone.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

What the fuck?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Now, I don't know if you ever heard of a Necrophone before. This was a telephone that he was trying to create to talk with spirits.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is kind of like the spirit.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Okay.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And this is a very common theme, especially in the early 20th century, that not only Thomas Edison, Thomas Watson, who was the sidekick of Alexander Graham Bell and Alexander Graham Bell, they all believe that, for example, when you use the phone and you pick it up and you say something, that it wasn't your voice communicating through the wires, that a spirit heard what you said and then took your message and ran across the wire and then repeated what you said said to the other person. I believe that on the other side of line, they actually thought that they were using spirits to communicate messages. So when Thomas Edison comes up with the phrase a bug in the system, he wasn't necessarily saying that, like, an actual bug made its way into the framework. That's actually a quote that came, I think, in like, the 1940s or 50s, where some lady found a moth inside of a switchboard and like a navel,

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

and there was actual bug, and there

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

was an actual moth in there. And some people cite that, but that's. That is not where the term a bug in the system came from. It came from Thomas Edison. And Thomas Edison and his belief in spiritualism really does indicate that. He's not saying an ant or a cockroach made itself into a circuit board. He was saying a disembodied spirit is causing havoc within technology.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I like that.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And we still use that term bug today. So now if. If you were to. To press if gun to head.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And you were going to say, say, what are demons? Like, what would be the form the demon would take? I'm probably gonna go with AI or I'm gonna go with some kind of technology or like a. Like a. Like a daemon inside of a Linux operating system. It's a process that just runs.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

It's kind of essentially because over and over again, the concept of frequency comes into play when it comes to like channeling or being in contact with them one way or another. I think that, you know, different substances can put you in contact with these entities. But I think what it does is it changes like your brain chemistry and allows you to perceive, you know, something that exists in a different frequency if everything is frequency and vibration. And I think that's why they, they can interact so consistently with technology. You know, when you get like a telephone issue, you get a disembodied voice over the phone or you get images or voices in the static of a tube television or, you know, there's all these instances of, you know, rudimentary versions of technology eventually gets developed and it gets the bugs worked out. Right. But in its early inception, there's always like some sort of poltergeist activity associated with it. And I think it's because they can interact in the physical through frequency, but they can't manifest as a physical entity.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Well, and a computer bug is referencing something due to human flaw, Right? A human trying to create a perfect system. And because we're inherently imperfect, some of your imperfection is going to make it into that system.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Got to work the bugs out.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So I mean, I mean, if you were to talk about this in like more biblical terms, that humans are flawed is what makes us susceptible to sin and what makes us susceptible to demonic possession or influence. This seems like a direct one. For one analogy for computer bugs, the computer bug exists because of human flaw and of human sin. If humans were free of sin, then we would make perfect software that would have no bugs in it. And I truly believe that if there were an antichrist, or if there were, if we were not in the little season and we're actually waiting on something horrific to happen, it's more likely than not going to be the result of some. Something someone's going to call a bug up. There was a bug in the system. Yeah, which now I'm not going to be able to hear as a moth flew into a switchboard. If someone tells me that civilization died because of a bug in the system, I'm thinking, oh, a demon got in, by the way.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

If we are a system and it's an imperfect system and that's where sin, you know, enters through, is the fact that we're fundamentally flawed, then this meme is actually super apt because I do think that parasites, you know, if your gut is your Second brain. And the things in your gut can affect the way that you think this meme is. Actually, when you have somebody posting like a psychopath on Twitter, this is the meme that I like to whip out at them. I go, this is you, and these

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

are the bugs that don't die in fire, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's correct.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

That's right.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's correct. Yeah. I mean, I think there, there is a lot to that too. This idea of having like, like, you know, a. A parasitic worm infestation in your gut. And, you know, now science is learning that the. The gut biome is somehow like this secondary brain, and it regulates emotion on a level that we didn't understand before.

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[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Then it is kind of what you're saying is the worms in your gut are in control of your emotions to some degree, and like, you can manage that by resisting and not being emotional, but still, you know, like bouts of rage or depression and stuff. They're like. Actually, I think it has a lot to do with parasitic infection and gut biome. Like, okay, that's cool.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Here's another. Would you rather gut worm or brain worm?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Rfk. Yeah, brainworm.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So brainworm, he's super bug.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. Wait, do I have to talk like that?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

No, no, that's a throat.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Throat worm. You know, he's coming out with a podcast. Like, who the fuck is going to listen to that? Who's going to listen to an RFK podcast? Yeah. So we've nailed it then. I'm not eating the bugs. I'd rather eat the babies. I'll take the brain worm over the gut worm.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

John the Baptist.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Okay. John the Baptist ate the bugs. He got his head cut off, though.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

That's true.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's true.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Had it coming, right?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But one of the famous decapitations in all of. He was able to tell the future with his decapitated head, right?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

The prophesying head of John the Baptist. You ever hear about that one? No. Yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Oh, that's the coolest part of John the Baptist because after they cut off his head, it became a relic and people would try and find this relic and it was apparently either be a soothsayer or would tell you the future. Almost like the rumors about the crystal skulls. And if you like stare into the crystal skulls eyes, it's got. That was sort of adapted from John the Baptist mythology.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

It's like Satan Nick's juice as well, something like that. No, no, no, no. Sorry, sorry.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh yeah, yeah. I think Juan came on the show a long time ago and told us about the, the. The. It was like St. Nick's juice or St. Nick's cream. You drink the cream?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Yeah, it comes from his skull, comes

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

from his like coffin or is it happened? I don't know. It like is produced by the stones around his. I don't know. But you drink the juice. It's like a baksa saga. You drink the juice, you get the knowledge. Yeah, you get the knowledge. So the severed head of John the Baptist on a platter is a pivotal narrative in the gospels of Matthew and Mark.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Would you rather, would you rather drink Saint Saint Nick skull cream or box saga cream?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, I'm drinking St. Nick's juice every day.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

St. Nick every day.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I'm not drinking this.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

So you don't. You don't want knowledge is what it sounds like?

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

No, I'm fine with it. I just.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

That kind of.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I just don't want to intestinal worms and I don't want to eat bugs. So if St. Nick's juice will sustain me, then I'm good to go. So is a. Is John the Baptist his severed head on a platter is a pivotal narrative in the gospels of Matthew and Mark, representing the final silent testimony of a prophet executed by King Herod Antipas at the request of Herodias. The image symbolizes the silencing. But there was something, there's like a whole ass like, like extra canonical thing I think about his head, you know, consistently giving prophecy.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

This was a main plot point of a comic book series called the Invisibles that I think was a Grant Morrison series. And that was the main thing is everyone's trying to find the head of John the Baptist because he can sort of tell you the future. But when you talk to him and get the future, you go on like a psychedelic trip and then he explains it to you in sort of a psychedelic way, not necessarily here in the waking realm.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

So there is something. In some traditions, the head is depicted as still holding power, acting as a prophesying head that represents the voice of Conscience remaining after death. But, yeah, it is kind of like those. The crystal skull things. I remember when I learned about that, this is a little bit like it might have been around the time of the Indiana Jones film, made that kind of thing popular. But there was this idea going around that there was 13 crystal skulls, although some of them ended up being fraudulent. Some of them were in museum collections, and then there was still some more in private collections. And the most compelling ones were the ones that had no tooling marks on them. At least no discernible tooling marks. I don't know if that's since been debunked, but there was one lady that had it in a private collection, refused to give it up. The museum wanted, you know, wanted it from her. I don't know if they offered her money or whatever, but she was having regular psychic communication, had a relationship with the thing, refused to give it up. And I thought, man, like, when I was younger and I was just making up unfounded conspiracy theories in my brain, I was like, what if Those are the 13 skulls of the Greek pantheon that were once physical, but then it ended up being complete bullshit? And that's. That's how I used to come up with my ideas. I used to go, what if? And then I would reverse engineer them.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

This is where bugs are demons came from.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Two hours on it.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Hell yeah, dude. On something that you literally just said flippantly and then ended up be. Where do you. What. So do you feel like now after everything that you looked at, you've stumbled on something like this is. This is actually good, applicable research that more people should hear about? Because I never thought about that connection. I know the Beelzebub thing, you know, obviously bringing up the. The Hollywood instances is really strange, but it's like this thing has a lot more meat on the bone than a lot of other shit that we've heard and we've discussed on this show. And it all came about accidentally? I mean, what are you doing with it now? Are you. Are you gonna write a book?

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

No, I mean, I think I've done what I was gonna do with it. We're here present it to you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Let you guys run with it. And. And I. I don't want to take credit for this quote, and I can't even remember the exact. I'll paraphrase it, but it's like the less you understand about the world, the cooler conspiracy theories you can come up with.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Hell yeah. That's why I come up with the best ones.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The. The dumber you are, the more you're bewildered by things going on. And it's really easy to be like, aliens are doing that and demons are doing that. It all kind of comes to a head.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Hell, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

That's Innocence of a Child.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's the backbone of. Of this.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Well show. That's the meme of, like, the iq,

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

right, The IQ bell curve.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

You have the guy that doesn't know, the retarded guy, and then you have the Mensa dude, and they're saying the

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

same thing, but the guy in the middle of the average iq.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Bugs are actually anthropomorphic. They're the. They're actually this. Not demons. Demons very clearly.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yep. We reside on the left side of the bell curve.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

But I noticed, too, when I. When I bring this up and people have tried to discount it, and I bring up, like, the Mesopotamian scorpion, like, those are actually arthopods, not bugs.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Oh, my God.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And that's when I know that you're

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

talking to a faggot.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

They're demons. I'm talking to somebody that wants more demons in the world, and they're trying to disprove this.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You're talking to somebody that if you pull this string. This is who you're talking to right there. You're talking to somebody that if you pull the string, you would find that they're actually nothing more than a sack full of bugs.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Amen.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Amen. Listen, before we get out of here, Thomas, let's remind everybody where they can find you and. And all of your merch and your fantastic stuff that I'm sure we're gonna have a bunch of at Bohemian Grove.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Paranoidamerican.com if you want to support Freemasonry and convert more people to Freemasonry, that's the place to go. Paranoidamerican.com youm can also go on Amazon. You can find Paranoid and stuff. I think the one that I want to push the most is a children's book on chemtrails. So if you want to teach your kids or teach yourself or give it to someone as like. Like a gift that, you know will absolutely piss them off because they don't believe in chemtrails. It's the best thing that I think you can get for them, along with countless. I mean, I've got a bunch of swag that I'm going to leave you guys with. We got adrenochrome stickers, Illuminati stickers. Shout out to Donut, Shout out to Cheney.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I like the magic school bus kind of aesthetic. And oh, man. Connect the dots. What does it say?

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

The.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

The. The confounding conspiracy of chemtrails. And, and the, the premise of this originally of Connect the Dots, it was originally a parody. It was going to be like if you were to just look up the, like, use like the smallest amount of effort to see Archem trails real. Is it different than comtrails? Yeah, it's so obvious that they are real that like, they were patented. They've been documented for over five different decades now. But it almost feel like you had to. To force somebody to pay attention. So the original concept of Connect the Dots was like, you're an idiot. So let me treat you like you're a five year old and I'm gonna explain to you, I'm gonna connect the dots for you. The chemtrails are real.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I love that.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

And the more I worked on it, the more I was like, man, this thing has actually got legs. And I stopped treating it as like, I'm gonna make fun of you for being an idiot. And it's like, I'm gonna make an actual children's book. And it really follows Ms. Frizzle's kind of format.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I think I'm gonna get that for my kid. That'd be fun, man. It.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

A lot of people get it, thinking it's going to be like some silly little throwaway thing like, oh, ha ha. And they open it up and it's like, oh, this actually has legitimate research in it. It gets into Morgellon's disease, it gets into nanotechnology, it gets into the Draco star system. It talks about that. The Space Preservation act of 2001, the very first thing that was passed after 911 is the first thing that we've got government documentation that defines chemtrails as an exotic weapon system. So anytime someone wants to be like, oh, you're just a conspiracy theorist and chemtrails and contrails, connect the dots for them.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Chemtrails are demons and bugs. Chemtrails are full of bugs.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Here's. Here's a free one. Maybe if we can get it together for Bohemian Grove Mad Libs. But it's just blank our demons. Every single page. You just put a word in and it's our demons.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

You know, would be great is. What if we had. Remember how you did the. The presentation on adrenochrome? What if you did like a, like a 10 to 15 minute minute slide? Because we're looking for. We have four main performances set up. We could talk about this off air. A little bit. But I'm looking for smaller sub performances to sprinkle in between the big ones to kind of make this. I want this to be a lot of fun and a lot and. And kind of wild. It would be great if you could do that, like, slideshow using, even just using the children's book on, like, because even some of that stuff, I didn't know it includes the Draco star system. System. Like, that's fantastic. Well, we'll talk about it off air. But listen, man, let me just tell

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

you why is because if you ever see the grid patterns where it's like, oh, how come I've got these like, this grid. Well, if you know how a Faraday cage works. Faraday cage, it blocks electromagnetic signals so that you can't get messages in or out. Chemtrails might be a spiritual version of that, that you're no longer allowed to project your consciousness outside of the ionosphere because these planes are creating, like, a spiritual Faraday cage.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Whoa.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Fuck, man. That's pretty much like

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

crop circles before the sky.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

That's crazy. Hmm. Man. I like that.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

All right, well, we know we're talking about next with you.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Yeah. Yeah. All right, well. Well, let's get the. Let's get the fuck out of here.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

I got to use the bathroom.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

I got to piss hard.

[Thomas (Paranoid American)]

Crisis king.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

We could all pee together.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Crisis king.

[David Lee Corbo (Top Lobster)]

Crisis King.

[Co-host (possibly a producer or secondary host)]

Obey some men. Comply. Bye.

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