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Clint Russell vs NDS - Cartel Debate
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Get ready for an explosive debate as Clint Russell, host of Liberty Lockdown, faces off against the Nephilim Death Squad in a no-holds-barred discussion on the cartels, U.S. foreign policy, and the prospect of war with Mexico. This intense...
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Ritual
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Clint Russell
And Love we are being hypnotized by people like this.
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Dave Smith
Newsreaders, politicians, teachers, lecturers.
- [02:39]
Clint Russell
We are in a country and in.
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Dave Smith
A world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going on is absolutely. Oh yeah, dude, there's some nephilim.
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David Corbo
It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the brave? Take control this now when no one's talking about how they made us finally slaves and everybody's just walking around heading the clouds. I want to wake up to a dead in the grave. But then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day. Everybody is. Slave cartel members tried to bring a.
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Dave Smith
Group of illegal immigrants across the river.
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David Corbo
The agents fired back. No one on either side was hit. The group of illegal immigrants did not.
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Dave Smith
Make it across the Red River. Now this top lobster, being the normally boisterous son of a gun that he is, has decided to wage war against libertarians as well as the Mexican drug cartels simultaneously over the past week. So I decided to invite him and the nephilim death squad boys on to discuss this. I am obviously quite anti war. I am not anti war to the extent that I am opposed to national defense. And I think that there is a fair argument to be made that we are being invaded. However, I don't think we're being invaded by an army. And that is a difference that is worth discussing and I'm sure we'll get into it. I don't really understand your position. It does seem quite accelerationist and in fact reckless, which is kind of your M.O. at this point. But I would like to like to understand your guys angle on this.
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Clint Russell
Oh, my angle. I mean, we're talking about Mexicans here, right? It's like, again, it's like Mexicans, Haitian. No, I. All right, this is, this is why I wanted to talk with you. So Trump gets in day one, he declares the cartel a terrorist agency, or I guess just terrorists in general. And we know what, what that comes along with. So immediately I'm like, okay, I can see the anti war reflex in a lot of libertarians is going to kick right away. I haven't checked in on Dave Smith to see what he's saying, but I'm sure he's beating this drum rightfully so because it's happened.
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Dave Smith
I don't, I don't think Dave, I mean, Dave addressed it on his show, but he has not been tweeting about it, so he's not going hard in the paint. But his, his position was that same as mine, that labeling them a Terrorist organization is just a mechanism to circumvent normal congressional authorization for military activities. It also opens up the potential for CIA activity when it comes to rendition, torture. If we're going to learn any lessons from the war on terror and what happened in Guantanamo, that's. Those are the things that are now back on the table with that classification. And that concerns me.
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Clint Russell
Right. I get that. Now. Do you see, is there a tangible difference between the CIA and the cartel and how they operate and what they actually are?
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Dave Smith
I think there's a tangible difference, yes. In that, I mean, first off, it's domestic entities. It's largely U.S. government that's involved with the CIA. Not all cartel members are U.S. government officials. So I think that would be the largest difference. They are certainly criminal gangs in my estimation. So I. I understand the overlap, but I don't think that they're one and the same.
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Clint Russell
It's. Yeah, that. That's like, this is the differentiation that I'm trying to understand, trying to make in my head at least, when I look at the CIA. And we're like, abolish the CIA, sure, fine. But that doesn't solve our problem here. And not to get too, like, QAnon, weird, esoteric, kind of Trump land, but what we are battling or what we're battling against is the deep state, right? Not necessarily. I mean, our own government in some aspects, like. But our own government, I'd rather deal with, like, with wasteful spending. These are things that we can address with laws and, you know, so, like, public pressure. Things like this. The CIA, the part of the CIA that I'm talking about is this, like, dark operation part of the CIA. And their funding comes from these kind of activities. Cartel, illegal drug activities. So I guess I'll just.
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Dave Smith
Wetwork. Black ops. Yes. Yeah, yeah.
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Clint Russell
What were black ops? I'll just. I'll just cut to the chase here. I think that if you're going to try to improve America in any measurable way, meaning, like, if you want to stop people from dying, from. From fentanyl, if you want to have some kind of secure border, anything that makes sense for the American people is going to be an act of war against this dark government. This, the cartel, basically, the cartel appears to me as the army of the CIA, of the aspect of the CIA that is in charge of these black operations. The ones that possibly tried to kill Trump, the ones that are responsible for.
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Ritual
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Clint Russell
Like some of the off. Like, I mean, maybe even Covid. We've been talking about COVID Where did that come from? Like some. Now Fauci's out there most likely. Right, Right, exactly. But not from a, not from a wet market. It's looking. Exactly. So we have the FBI talking about.
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Dave Smith
Well, the CIA just confirmed that yesterday, by the way, that they now lean in that direction as opposed to before when they said it was almost an impossibility. So yeah, they, but this is, this is all in my opinion just a shift that goes along with the, the culture and also trying to front run the really what's happening, which to some extent is kind of a revolution in the federal government in that you're going to have Cash Patel, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr. They're all coming in. So all of a sudden the FBI gets rid of its DEI department. All of a sudden the CIA says that oh yeah, it did. It came from Wuhan. It didn't come from that, that wet market. I think that they're all just trying to get out in front so they don't get canned.
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Clint Russell
Let me ask you a question though, because now let's start connecting the dots. Let's put our conspiracy hat on. We're going to put RFK in hhs. We're going to put Tulsi Gabbard in charge of like foreign, you know, foreign relations. We're going to put this guy, what's his name, Hegseth I think. I think his name is in charge of, right? In charge of deportation.
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Dave Smith
No, that's Homan.
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Clint Russell
Okay. Homan in charge of deportation. Hegseth is like the. Whatever. These are people.
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Dave Smith
Secretary of Defense.
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Clint Russell
Yeah, these are. These are people I don't like at this point. It's like, all right. What I know for sure is they don't want them there. They're going to be opposed in any. In any form or fashion, any. Any way that they can. So we're going to see some weird, probably some terroristic attacks. If you do this, like, logical conclusion, which I know your audience is going to be like, this is not logic. Again, the military arm of the CIA, this dark ops part of the CIA, seems to be the cartel. This is where they're getting their money from. They're actually outright funding them. We know that the Obama administration gave them guns, and it was supposed to be so we can track them. It just turned out that they were doing crimes on. On American soil with these guns, and then they got caught. So if you.
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Dave Smith
Operation Fast and the Furious for any fact checkers out there, right?
- [11:03]
Clint Russell
If my concern is if you oppose these, These measures in any meaningful way, and not just this hand wave or this like, kind of like the. The weak way that Trump opposed it in his first. In his first presidency, if you actually threaten this, if you actually threaten the deep state, what we're. Let's just call that. What will they do? They're going to. I mean. Well, we saw what they did. He threatened them slightly and they released Covid on us. If we threaten them again, it's all at war anyway. Clinton, this is what I'm saying. I'm not. I'm not cheerleading a war against Mexico. It's insane. But what do we do? They are. They're embedded in our society. In Colorado, in New Mexico, in New York. They're everywhere. They're already here. And now we want to change the country and turn it around. Like, I think you need to ask yourself, do you want RFK in as HHS director? Do you want Tulsi Gabbard in the government? Do you want Cash Patel as head of the FBI? If the answer is yes, then you better be ready to deal with this shit because.
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Dave Smith
Okay, so you're saying that basically the war is being declared just by the cabinet that he's surrounded himself with. Look, I can see that argument, certainly based off of my feeling about the multiple assassination attempts against Trump. There have been rumors of people inside Trump's camp that actually agree with my assessment. As to the fact that the deep state that it was the US Government that was in fact trying to take Trump out, if that's all true, then yes. I mean, certainly Cash Patel and all these other folks are going to represent kind of an existential threat to these people. Assuming that these people are for real, which is still tbd, I hope that they are. I've met most of them personally and I, I tend to believe that they are. But I'm. I'm still not 100 convinced that. That does not mean that I should be on board with authorizing the CIA and the existing military to then go into Mexico, use drone activity, use rendition, use black ops to take out cartel leaders. Particularly given that there is no, There is no track record by which you can point to and say, here is a military activity that actually defeated a, like, criminal organization that didn't immediately create a power vacuum which was filled in short order. You can even, even with isis, like, oh, they're gone now. They're back. It's the same thing. Taliban, 20 years, they didn't go anywhere. There's really no example other than, like, toppling leaders. We do that quite well with our CIA and our State Department. We topple leaders in. In countries. But does that create a better situation? And historically, the answer is consistently no. Libya, Yemen, like all these other. Or Ukraine, for God's sake.
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David Corbo
Libya has burst into open air slave trade. Correct. I mean, that's what happened after we created that power vacuum.
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Dave Smith
But that was thanks to Hillary Clinton and Gadhafi.
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David Corbo
I mean, yeah, didn't she laugh? What was it?
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Dave Smith
We came, we saw, he died.
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David Corbo
That's it. As they knifed him in the butt on national television. Look, I think it is important to ask, though, and I agree with what you're saying, Clint. Authorizing our own government to do all of those things that you listed, that's problematic, sure. But I mean, when they're alleged to have done the things that they are alleged to. Right. When it comes to human trafficking, I know that that's kind of a real big deal right now. They just found like 75,000 missing migrant children. I think it was in Iceland. It's not necessarily attributed to the cartel, but like human trafficking, child trafficking is something that's on the forefront of a lot of people's mind. It's like people's number one deal. And we've become pretty comfortable associating that with one of the cartel's dirty bags here. And then, of course, like Top mentioned earlier, the funneling of fentanyl, we're in the middle of a huge opioid crisis and people are dropping in the droves. So I understand not authorizing all of those things that you listed, but I think. And that's fair. So the question then becomes, what should we do? And is this not an open declaration of war against us? I mean, we started it with them allegedly a suspected cartel member returning fire against border agents. And it's like at, at what point does it no longer matter? And I, I would say that we're probably there in regards of like whether or not we're in a hot war with the cartel. But the other thing becomes what, what do we do? Instead of. I agree not authorizing all these, because it's one of those things too, where whatever we're going to allow them to do, they're never going to relinquish those powers. You know, so if we authorize war with the cartel, it's like there's going to be a whole bunch of, that's going to be leveraged against the American people in the future because of this. But what do we do?
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Dave Smith
Yeah, well, I have a lot of answers. I'm not sure that you guys will agree with them. But first off, you know, I, I've already gone, I've already bucked the libertarian, you know, trend and, and said that I think that the border does need to be secured, that I'm not an open borders libertarian. So I think that that's like square one. You need to secure the border. If they do that and, and if they can't do that, then like, we can't win wars either. If you can't secure your own borders, you have no business empire building. It's absurd. It should have never been this way in the first place. So that's square one. You secure the borders. I do think that the deportation orders, particularly the targeted ones, the way that they're handling it currently, they're going after people with criminal records. And not just like criminal in that they came to the country illegally, but in fact, you know, violent crimes and things of that nature. I think deporting those people is absolutely necessary, obviously, in that will encompass many of the cartel members and then the, the opioid issue. I'm curious actually to hear what you guys think, because it's not, it's not so simple or obvious to me that it is strictly a cartel or Mexican cartel issue when it comes to fentanyl. You have, you have all of these rumors about it being China that is involved because they create the precursors. I don't know if that's true, fully true. This is a lot of like propaganda that we're dealing with. So what do you guys think? Do you think this is like what, what incentive does the Mexican drug cartels have to continue to funnel fentanyl given that it is now jeopardizing their entire operation? Like that doesn't make sense to me.
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David Corbo
So if I were to speculate on that, I don't necessarily have an answer for that, but I would speculate that they're in tide with the deep state. And the reason that I suspect that is because I don't think it's any coincidence. We already have precedent for the Iran Contra wars and flooding the hood with cocaine in order to fund them. And you know, supplying people like Freeway Ricky Ross, he learns how to create crack Croak literally creates the crack epidemic of the 80s in the black community. And I don't think that it's a surprise or a coincidence that during a time when the opioid epidemic was starting here in the United States, we were in charge of the largest concentration of poppy fields in the world in Afghanistan. And so I would argue that this entire thing was spurred on by some element of our own government. So the question, what then does the Mexican cartel gain from doing a thing like that? It entirely depends on what deal they've made with who I would argue are the people that kick this ball off to begin with. So I don't think that this thing is happening to us. I think it's being done to us. And I think that we're going to find as we go down that these things are tied together. This, this cartel, this deep state thing that Top was talking about. I think they're going to find more and more evidence for that. I think it's probably one of the many things that they, they control.
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Clint Russell
Yeah, dude. It's like we have, I mean we have gangs from a foreign country doing human sacrifice on our land as soon as, as close as like 2019. But it's, it's, it is, it's insane because it's going to.
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Dave Smith
You're going to need to fill me in because I don't know what you're talking about.
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Clint Russell
There was a, there were two girls killed. I mean there's been a couple instances of this where I think it's like this is ms.13 stuff.
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Dave Smith
Oh yes, okay. I remember those stories. Yeah.
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Clint Russell
But now that we have like Trinidad and there's like a couple more different types of. This is, it's all cartel related business. Also the Colombia stuff is kind of an interesting overlap now, right?
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Dave Smith
Because this is the first time you've ever sounded Puerto Rican. I loved it.
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Clint Russell
I'm actually. Don't deport me.
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David Corbo
But he did that way too easy.
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Clint Russell
I've been watching a lot of Better Call Saul. Okay.
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Dave Smith
Yeah. Well, let's. Let's update the people that aren't forever online like US Colombia. Basically there's been deportation flights that have been going from the US To Colombia as well as much of Latin America.
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Dave Smith
Trump changed the protocols without getting authorization from the President of Colombia and he sent a military flight with the deportees in handcuffs.
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David Corbo
I really like that energy, dude. I really like that energy.
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Dave Smith
Pretty, pretty hardcore. Needless to say the socialist leader of Colombia, Colombia. Petro did not like that. He immediately, you know, told them, you cannot land. Trump did not like that. He then told them, I'm going to immediately revoke all of your visas for your diplomats and put a travel ban and 25% tariffs, and it'll up to 50% in seven days if you don't address this. And then in less than two hours, the President of Colombia sent the Air Force UNO to come and get his deportees. And I was like, this is fucking nuts, man.
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Clint Russell
Is it the same guy that was spotted, like, holding hands with the transgender woman?
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Dave Smith
Yep.
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Clint Russell
Oh, okay. Yes. Interesting. Interesting that he folded that quickly. Definitely not gay.
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David Corbo
Right? I'm sure there's no correlation there.
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Clint Russell
I think it's. We could also talk about. So, all right, when we're talking about Colombia, we can talk about the kind of original cartels that were running, you know, cocaine into the United States. And it's. It's from this country.
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Dave Smith
It was the hotbed.
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Clint Russell
Yeah, yeah, but it's. I mean, it goes so much deeper than just drugs. Like, I know libertarians want to get caught up because they want to do their fentanyl or whatever the. They're doing, but these people have. They've influenced our society in so many different ways besides, you know, like, importing this weird Santeria stuff like the Santa Muerte that they. They bring in with all this. It's. It's very dark. It even has, like, roots that I'm trying to tie to Thalima or possibly Aleister Crowley, which was. That's.
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David Corbo
I'm literally scamming through the FBI's page right now, finding no ending of correlations between the cartel and inspired ritualistic killings. Santa Muerte inspired and ritualistic killings. This is something that. Yeah, I mean. I mean, they're on the FBI's radar.
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Clint Russell
The tenants of. Of Santa Muerte, which they all follow, are very much. It's very close to do as thou will. That's. That will be the entirety of the law, which is an Aleister Crowley type thing. And Aleister Crowley was a CIA plant who had ties to. Who's this guy from World War I, like Churchill. He went to school with Churchill. I mean, these. This stinks like shit of government operations. And it is. We know that it's a government operation. We know that they're funding these black ops. The question I think goes again, it's the government does this all the time, or these. The deep state does this. They create a knot so big, and then they create, you know, they create shit all around it. And then they go, do you want to untie that or you want to just leave that there? And if we want to have a functioning society, we've got to untie that. Like to track back to what Colombia was doing. They've influenced, you know, how girls, like, the girls that we see here have like big tits, big fake butts. This is, this is Colombian stuff. They started with this, the plastic surgery to kind of originate that because the drug dealers that were running drugs down here to Texas liked some of the white girls that had big tits. Then they put that over there and now people go fly over there to get this. It's that pervasive.
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Dave Smith
So again, Brazilian butt lift.
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Clint Russell
But yes, right, but you can go to Colombia to get it. I mean, I'm sure other countries do it now. So it's not just drugs, it's culture. Our movies, our music, it's all drug culture. Like we, if we want to talk about make America great again, we cannot, it cannot be with the bones of a cartel or really a CIA dark ops culture. It's got to be removed. It's a cancer. It's got to be removed right from, right from the source. How do you do it?
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David Corbo
Interesting too. I'm sorry to interrupt. Top. But all right, so we're talking about Venezuela a little bit. But what was it El Salvador, where you had that instance of the president purging all of the MS.13 members because he found at the top of it was Satanism, they were sacrificing children. I. I just think it's interesting because.
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Clint Russell
Well, that's a. Listen, I'll. I will say, well, let's preface this to the audience that's not as conspiratorial as us. Bukele did that. He said that to Tucker Carlson, but it came off to me as very like satanic panic. He's trying to invoke that in people. Like. But it is true. But he said it because he wants to have a reaction of. From people to say, we got to get these people the hell out of here. They're literally. They are doing human sacrifice. But it is kind of a, hey, you know, let's move on.
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David Corbo
This is something that everybody's been aware of to some degree. Like I said, the FBI, right, has all these. And so. But the way they did it was as if to move to the public, to shift public opinion, I think.
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Dave Smith
Well, you got to keep in mind too, Tucker Carlson's audience is still largely Christian conservative. So that will appeal to them tremendously. So he knows his audience.
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David Corbo
Yes, yes, it's worth mentioning here. We're talking about this deep state thing, right? There's a gang of Venezuelan gang called Trende. Aragua. I was thinking of pronouncing that right. Okay, so. So Aragura, the. And they're finding out allegedly that this is actually breaking. As of like two hours ago, these gangs are being backed and funded by the Venezuelan government to create some sort of next dimension warfare asset. I mean, that's language that, that Alex Jones is using. But obviously there, this isn't a surprising idea. The idea that a government would use. Oh, don't look at that. Those are just African people on each other's shoulders. But this, this idea that a government would use gangs in order to push whatever agenda, kind of create maybe what would you call it? Like where you would infiltrate a protest movement with a, with a agent provocateur. It's basically the idea of like an agent provocateur, but on a large scale utilizing a gang. So it's like a Hegelian dialect, right? Problem reaction, solution. Or they create the problem using this gang, the public reacts, and then the Venezuelan government swoops in and offers a solution. That's not new, that's kind of an old playbook. So once again just plays into the idea that that's more than likely what we're doing here.
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Dave Smith
Let me, let me, let me interject though, because that's exactly my point is that I think you guys are falling prey to the hook alien dialectic. And the offered solution will basically limit our rights domestically, create a ton of conflict, put a ton of money in the military industrial complex coffers, and also enable additional surveillance tools and things of that nature that violate our rights. So let me, let me also add. Oh, go ahead.
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David Corbo
I was just going to say you're not completely incorrect. It's just that I. Look, of course I'm not from a, from a point of view of like this is an unstoppable thing. Whatever's unfolding right now, that's like standing in the way of the Patriot Act. You know, it would have been today.
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Dave Smith
Still a good idea to do.
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David Corbo
Opposed it.
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Dave Smith
Still a good idea to do though. I mean, Patriot act is definitely a disaster. And.
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David Corbo
No, I agree, I agree, but just.
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Dave Smith
I think the people that, the people that tell the truth, even when it's unpopular, even when the fight isn't able to be won, they then are listened to 10 or 20 years down the road. That's the whole legacy of Ron Paul and, and the better aspects of libertarian movement is that when we oppose the war on terror, we, look, we were called un American and traitors and everything else. I'm going to suffer that same fate. When it comes to the inevitable war as you see it with Mexico or the cartels, I still think it's the right position to hold. And you know, yeah, at the end of the day I have one voice and I may not, I may not prevail. There still may be a fight. But I think that it's like the risk reward on this is really lopsided. And let me, let me add to, because I didn't really get to the other details of how I would remedy this. Like, so we don't know where the fentanyl is, is like who is actually responsible for this? CIA, ccp, cartels, all of them working in tandem. I'm not sure my answer, as always, and I know this is one that you guys both oppose, but I genuinely believe that if you want to defund these organizations, you need to legalize these drugs. And I don't mean legalize in the sense of Colorado or California where you add on top of that so much taxes that there's still a black market. The cartels still function and they're still doing fine. I mean actually legalize and not tax and just drive the prices of cocaine and heroin everything through the floor. Then reallocate all of the resources from DEA to treatment facilities to help with the homeless. Then also simultaneously you need to make it illegal to be on public land for, you know, weeks or months. Basically make it so that the homeless can no longer camp out and destroy these cities. This is a very unpopular libertarian position to hold, but I genuinely believe it's right. I think that public property ought to be treated as, as if it would if it was held by a private owner. And yeah, I'll stop ranting, but I think, I think those would be the like, holistic libertarian approaches that remedy much of this without having a hot war with the cartels. And let me just add one other variable which I know you guys are already familiar with, but as I've said, the cartels are already embedded in every major city and most small towns in America. So if you expect to have kind of a, a war on terror, but a war on cartels style attack on this, and if you believe that these people are in fact terrorists, which I don't, but they do. Some of them are certainly capable of, you know, terroristic type activity. They've hung, you know, politicians and, and police in Mexico. And they do that to send a. Send a message, obviously, because they're defending their territory and they're, you know, like, they're, they're. They're not Al Qaeda, but they are very dangerous. They are here. That. That is the big difference between that and the war on terror. There was always this argument that, oh, we have these sleeper cells and we're going to be struck at any moment. And it was like that was a lie over and over again, that there was not, you know, hundreds and thousands of sleeper cells that were all across the United States. If there were, we would have had a series of attacks for every couple months for the entire 20 years that we were in Afghanistan. It didn't happen because I don't think that that was ever true. This is different. The cartels are here. I know that for a fact, because they funnel their drugs here and everybody buys the drugs, so they're definitely here. So I think that that's the one thing that concerns me most about this, is that if they do decide to fight back, like, say you start to run Predator drones over Jalisco and you're like, going after one of the leaders of the cartel, do you think that they will just sit on their hands and take that? I don't think they will. I think. I think that they will escalate in hopes of de. Escalating, basically saying, we're not going to just bear all of the brunt of your CIA operations and your black ops and your Navy seals coming and us up. We're going to make it so that the American population has to deal with this too. Now, what will happen with that? Certainly it'll inflame the passions of the American people and they'll say, these people invade Mexico and do, you know, take that on. Well, there's, I don't know, 80 million innocent people or however many people there are in Mexico that I don't really want to have put them in a position of, you know, the Iraqis, which is kind of what we're talking about. So I just feel like people are being like. It's very. It's very reminiscent to me, particularly as an old head who lived, as, you know, barely an adult through 9, 11.
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Dave Smith
The vibe is so similar. I'm telling you. Like, I know you guys were younger when it happened, but I'm telling you as a young man and the, the energy of like, we got hit on 9, 11, let's just go kill somebody. Very similar to how people are reacting to the fentanyl crisis and saying, I've lost a cousin, I've lost a father, a son, and they're just like, let's kill. And I'm one of my. I'm just cautioning people, that's all.
- [33:35]
David Corbo
Just died two within two weeks ago. Some kid that I grew up with. So this is a really.
- [33:41]
Dave Smith
Yeah, it's terrible.
- [33:42]
Clint Russell
It happens. Can you, can you pull up the video that I have down here, Clint?
- [33:45]
Dave Smith
Sure.
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David Corbo
And I just want to say, because I have a feeling top's going to have a lot to say on this as far as my opinion on these things. I also don't believe that we should be engaging in a hot war. I don't believe that we should be like, it is the same thing. Like even the idea of terrorists, right? By. By definition, you're never going to win a war on terror. Terror is a state of mind or a war on drugs or the war on drugs. You're never going to win that either. I don't agree with starting this large scale thing. I just recognize being, you know, you.
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Dave Smith
Just think it's inevitable. Okay. Yeah. Here. Go ahead, Tom. But we're over there fighting and dying over that border looking for problems.
- [34:23]
David Corbo
Why don't we take those resources and quit pretending we can defend those borders.
- [34:28]
Dave Smith
And put them on our borders and take care of our needs here.
- [34:32]
Clint Russell
Okay, so there's Ron Paul talking about sort of what I'm saying. And I'm not. Again, I don't. Who wants a war with your neighbor? And it's. Who wants a war with your neighbor? That's literally your neighbor. Not somebody just across a southern border. They're here. But I'm also very aware that the fact that they are here and what you said, Clint, the ways, the holistic ways to Destabilize the cartel, which is the CIA or at least, you know, they work very closely together. That's going to inflame them. And they understand that. Even with the cabinet picks, they understand that this is an attempt at destabilization of what they're doing. And it's, it's like, oh, I think.
- [35:09]
Dave Smith
If you were to legalize drugs there would be false flag attacks to try and to try and make.
- [35:13]
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Dave Smith
This war happen faster. I do.
- [36:41]
Clint Russell
We are at. We were.
- [36:42]
Dave Smith
That's probably unpopular amongst, you know, the decriminalization camp. I think it's true.
- [36:46]
Clint Russell
We're in it where as far as I'm concerned what Trump did was instead of like these false flag attacks, it almost makes it like, well here's the guy that's doing it because yeah, we are going to get false flag attacks and it'll probably be coming from freaking Mexican people because we're going to be disrupting their cash flow. And these guys don't fuck around with that. It's part of their religion. It's like they have, it's basically, they have no morals. They said, oh, we accept everyone. Like, that's part of the tenets of their religion. But it's not really. We accept the hook or the prostitute. They just have no standards or morals. They worship the God.
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Dave Smith
Who are you talking about? The cartels.
- [37:19]
Clint Russell
Cartels. This is. Yeah, the Santa Muerte stuff is.
- [37:22]
Dave Smith
I, I actually, I disagree with that there. I mean, yeah, you're certainly right. Some of the gangs are like that. Some of the gangs are not. Some of the gangs really like run the government of Mexico and they, you know, they protect women and children, they protect businesses. It's like it's old school Italian mob like. But then there's also aspects of it that are, that are satanic and that they are sure do all sorts of wild shit.
- [37:45]
Clint Russell
They do that great stuff in Chihuahua, but they don't do that in Colorado. They don't give a fuck. They're here to make money. They don't. Again, they're.
- [37:53]
Dave Smith
I agree with that. Yeah. No, the best, largely the domestic cartel members are just here to move product.
- [37:59]
Clint Russell
Yes. And if you're in their way, it's a problem. You're going to be out of their way.
- [38:03]
David Corbo
So of course, this is probably also the pains of, like, if we really are seeing Trump wrestling with this deep state and these things are all connected, then you know, we're going to see a lot more of this. And so in that, in that way, I'm not advocating it for it, but I do wonder if we are to see this thing, this element within our own government torn out by the roots and cast it out where we're going to see a lot of apparatus that's attached to them, go with them, and they're going to go kicking and screaming. So are we going to see more?
- [38:28]
Clint Russell
It's a war.
- [38:28]
David Corbo
I want to ask you something.
- [38:29]
Clint Russell
It's a war we can win before. It's a. It's a. It's a war that we can win.
- [38:35]
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- [39:20]
Clint Russell
It's going to, but it's going to be nasty. And that's the thing, man.
- [39:23]
David Corbo
Here, the last on our own soil.
- [39:26]
Clint Russell
So from, you know, Obama's, after everything.
- [39:29]
Dave Smith
I just said about all of the other wars that we've just lived through, why do you, why is this war winnable? Because I don't see it.
- [39:35]
Clint Russell
Because it's an actual war. It's a war that we have to win. It's a war for your country. It's inside of your country. It's going to happen. The people have expressed their displeasure with the way the government has been run and the government from the Obama administration and then the entire Joe Biden administration has done their best to flood this country with illegals. That was done on purpose, dude. This is a time bomb.
- [39:58]
Dave Smith
I agree with that. Yeah.
- [39:59]
Clint Russell
They flooded the country with enemy combatant fighters that are their soldier aged men, military aged men that are their soldiers that are on their payroll, dude. And it's, it's the shadow government that we don't want. And, and honestly, I don't even think, I don't even think the, the votes are correct. We were, we were speaking to Jonathan Herald the other day. I think it was like 79 million votes for Trump and something like 76 for her for Harris. I think that there were a lot more for Trump. I think it was interesting. Yeah, I think that these numbers are skewed. I think that the people in the United States have had enough. The people in the United States are not retarded. I think that they've had enough. And the sentiment is showing that even, even the popular media, which I'm outspoken against, like the, the Andrew Scholes and people like that who are now pro Trump or whatever it is. It doesn't matter. The sentiment is now moved towards this right, the right wing and not the old right wing. It's moved toward this America first sort of sentiment, which could be very dangerous. And it's going to be dangerous because it's going to be used against us. But what do you do? The wheels have been set in motion. We've been, we've, so we've been presented with here. These are your choices. You can eat shit and we can continue as we are. But it seems like the people have decided that they don't want that Anymore. So any kind of improvements that we make are going to be met with false flag psyop after psyop, and then we're gonna be left holding the bag, confused why this is happening. We know why.
- [41:21]
David Corbo
Well, this feels a lot like it's either eat shit or you can. You can walk through that fire over there. But. But I want to ask you, when.
- [41:27]
Clint Russell
Do you want to walk through the fire, Clint? I mean, that this is. Again, I don't want to. Who wants to go to war? I don't want to have a gun in my hand and have to fight. But when do you want to walk through it? They've already set up the coals and they're like, as. The more we wait, they're just getting hotter, man. We're going to have to cross this.
- [41:41]
David Corbo
Same idea with the. The financial bubble, right? It's like, do we keep allowing it to inflate or do we just face the music at some point? But, but you said something earlier, Clint, about. You mentioned the culture and. And this kind of sentiment right now of going to war with the cartel. And it almost sounded like. And I feel like we're agreeing about a lot of things here. It almost sounded like you suggested it was a. It was a product of where we are culturally. When I. And I don't want to put words in your mouth, I just want to say what that evokes in my mind is this idea that we are being, whether it's MK Ultra or whatever, down this path to engineer public sentiment about a thing. And it's been welling up beneath the surface by design until we get to this point where this thing is happening on the horizon and it's almost inevitable. But it's certainly like you were saying with the 911 idea, it's like we got to go over there and kill them because they engineered that sentiment within us. And I. I feel like I've been watching that unfold on Twitter for the past. I don't know how long it was previously in a pressure cooker. We weren't allowed to talk about it, and then Twitter was the release valve. But I'd be interested in knowing a little bit more. What did you mean by that? Or am I mischaracterizing?
- [42:42]
Dave Smith
Yeah, well, no. I mean, certainly some aspects of that. But then also I think that the culture is that, like, we've been beaten down for so long that we're finally on top, and now we got to take it out on somebody. Like, there's a lot of. There's a lot of resentment. There's a lot of anger that's built up in the American people, especially young men in this country. And I, I'm, I'm fearful. Like, there's this, there's this tendency, particularly when we are starting to identify that there are people in our own government that are our enemy and that perceive us as their enemies and that they've been doing everything in their power to subjugate and destroy us, that they would very much like for us to point that energy abroad. Like, that's what they do historically. This is the whole divide and conquer tactic. So that's more. What I mean is that like, the culture is one of kind of this, like, almost revivalist where. And, and you can, you can feel it with people talking about like, like Trump, oh, he, he bitch slapped, you know, the president of Colombia. And, and now we're going to take over Iceland and we're gonna, you know, rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America. And, and like, all this is like, it's just, to me, it's, it's indicative of a culture that was like, beat down. And now we want to, we want to demonstrate that we're still powerful, that we still have something about us that's like conquest oriented. Unfortunately, like the, the male instinct is one of, like, when you're doing well, you're conquering. And I'm of the. Of the opinion that, like, we're not actually doing well enough to even consider conquering other lands. Like, we have so much domestically that's, that's wrong. That if we don't get our own household in order, we're going to go through the final innings of inevitable empire collapse while trying to take on, you know, Greenland and whatever, all with the intention of an eventual world war to decide who will be the global hegemon. Because I genuinely believe that's what that's about. I mean, the only reason you want that landmass is because it's up near the Arctic or whatever. The northern. I think it's the Arctic. Is that the Arctic?
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David Corbo
Because it's bad geographically.
- [44:51]
Dave Smith
Yeah, it's. Well, I got Colombia spelled wrong yesterday and got destroyed for it, so.
- [44:55]
Clint Russell
But anyway, that's how we spell it.
- [44:58]
Dave Smith
That's right. We change.
- [44:59]
David Corbo
That's what you tell people. Like the jacket.
- [45:02]
Dave Smith
It's the Gulf of America and it's Colombia.
- [45:04]
David Corbo
You.
- [45:05]
Dave Smith
But anyways, I, I think that that's what Iceland's all about is like, that is. That is definitely an attack vector for Russia and more broadly, China, by the way. I Got to bring up, too, that the Deep Seq AI. Did you guys hear about this?
- [45:21]
Clint Russell
Only briefly. It's like a Chinese AI that is outpacing ChatGPT or open AI.
- [45:27]
David Corbo
Oh, yeah, I heard somebody got duped by it.
- [45:30]
Dave Smith
So we're putting together billions and billions, if not trillions of dollars of resources. We're using these computer processors that are top of the line, and we're doing all this just spending as if it's an arms race, because it really is, because it's really to decide who's going to control the next century. And the Chinese come through and they just go, hey, we're just going to drop a couple decimals off of the calculations, and sure, It'll only be 90% as accurate, but it'll actually be 500% more efficient. And that's what they did. And with like, 5 million bucks, they created a better AI called Deep Seek than our most advanced AI, which we had put like a trillion dollars into. Let me just say the economy. The economy is plummeting today as a consequence of that.
- [46:19]
Clint Russell
Right.
- [46:19]
Dave Smith
Video. All of these stocks are just plummeting.
- [46:21]
Clint Russell
I downloaded it, I made an account, because I have no loyalty to whatever the fuck these technocrats are doing. I put in our latest episode transcript with Jonathan Herold where we talked about Donald Trump and this executive order and all this, and guess what? They said we can't do anything with this because it violates our terms. So fuck you. Put it in ChatGPT, maybe. A very nice summary. We have that episode coming out in a few days. So, you know, use it if you want to. I don't know if it's faster or whatever, but it's just more Chinese bullshit.
- [46:50]
Dave Smith
That's.
- [46:50]
Clint Russell
That's what I'll say about it. I did one thing with it. I was like, fuck this. I deleted the app. No.
- [46:54]
Dave Smith
Yeah, and. And you might be right. And I mean, Most of our AIs have similar, you know, safety precautions and rail guards. So, you know, it is what it is. Anyways, the reason I bring it up is, like, it's just. To me, it's another example. And maybe you're right. Maybe this is like snake oil and China hasn't actually kicked our ass the way they have. But I've read a lot of, like, lengthy threads by people that are experts in the AI field, and they're convinced that, yes, we're getting our teeth kicked in by the Chinese. Doing it with, you know, a fraction of the money, with a fraction of the team, the fraction of the resources. Fact fraction of the government involvement and then they just made it open source to prove that. Like yeah, we're crushing you guys. Good luck.
- [47:33]
David Corbo
So it doesn't matter though. The idea that we would associate this thing with we, we getting our asses kicked. It's like Elon Musk said it himself, right? We, we are summoning the demon or some like. That is the language that he used when he talked about the development of AI it's like, can we, whatever happens, whoever gets there first, this thing is going to become a worldwide phenomenon.
- [47:51]
Dave Smith
Hold on, hold on.
- [47:51]
David Corbo
Are overlord same.
- [47:53]
Dave Smith
No, hold on, hold on. Same argument with the nuclear bomb though. And it is irrefutable that yes, that was harnessed. I mean this isn't irrefutable. This was probably more in alignment with your spiritual beliefs. But certainly from my vantage point, even as a non religious person like that was harnessing the power of demons like that was, that was ultimate, ultimate power at the time. And as a consequence of that though, despite my objections to nuclear weaponry, as a consequence, America became the global hegemon for the next 75 years. So I, I disagree with your assessment that this doesn't matter. That like whoever gets the top of the line AI will be in the catbird seat.
- [48:33]
Clint Russell
I think it does matter, but I, I'm also very suspicious.
- [48:37]
David Corbo
How long is that going to be guys? A month? Think about, were we even having this conversation around AI two years ago? Two years ago it was creating images that were so obtuse, it didn't even, it was like a laughable thing that this would ever be utilized for any serious purpose. And now here we sit where it's like creating videos and images that are indiscernible from, you know, reality. In one year it's gonna be done. I don't know what it's gonna be, but yeah, it made us the global hegemon for 75 years. This is going to make somebody the global hegemon for about an afternoon before.
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Dave Smith
The, the again, I disagree though because this, the, the way it works is that whoever creates the first one that is truly self learning will be at such a competitive advantage that it'll, it'll self teach, so it'll, it'll grow exponentially. So whoever gets that lead maintains that lead in perpetuity, theoretically.
- [49:27]
David Corbo
Now that you can keep it under control.
- [49:29]
Clint Russell
Can you pull up the picture that I put there? Sure, yeah. It's just a little.
- [49:33]
Dave Smith
We're going to do this.
- [49:34]
Clint Russell
This was, this was AI in 2012, it's 2025.
- [49:39]
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- [50:23]
Clint Russell
Okay, so this is before we even knew about this shit. The government. I see. Listen, I guess it's conspiracy. I guess it's conspiracy. But can we. Can we agree on a soft, soft, softly agree that the government kind of operates 10 years ahead of us? So what they just showed us, like, what China just showed us. I don't think that that's everything that, like, they have. It's not everything.
- [50:46]
David Corbo
Whatever they really have.
- [50:47]
Dave Smith
Yes.
- [50:47]
David Corbo
It's smoke and mirrors.
- [50:48]
Clint Russell
This is what we got. Maybe this is what we have as a people. So. What they're working with.
- [50:53]
Dave Smith
I hope you're right. But I'm not. I'm not sure, though. I mean.
- [50:55]
David Corbo
Well, I think it's the same way, Clint, that you're. You're saying that there's a. Some degree of cultural engineering within the public sentiment to be down with murdering the cart or, you know, waging war against the cartel is the same way that we, you know, we just. We have these. These things. We're not. I don't know how to put it like. We're not. No, I. I don't have a good way of framing this.
- [51:23]
Clint Russell
You got it?
- [51:24]
David Corbo
I don't know. What. What's that, Top?
- [51:26]
Clint Russell
So you can do it.
- [51:27]
David Corbo
Somebody saved me from this. I had. I had an analogy, but I realized it was. It was. And it. And it fell apart in my hands. It's gone.
- [51:34]
Dave Smith
That's never stopped you in the past.
- [51:36]
David Corbo
No, I. I was gonna go. I was like, you can ramble your way through this. Found out I can't.
- [51:40]
Dave Smith
All right, well, anyways, look, I. I think I understand your position, Top, but let's make it explicit. Are you saying that we ought to just go to war with the cartels?
- [51:50]
Clint Russell
No, I. I'm saying that it's inevitable, but I'm Saying basically declaring a war with the cartels is. It just seems to make sense because it's where we're headed anyway. If you want to improve the country in any meaningful way, we're going to be going to war. And I think, what I think is that it will be the cartels. It will be. It'll be the people that have been implanted in this country over the last four years, the enemy combatants, the ones that are paid by the people who hate us. It will be those people that will be going to war with us. So what do we do about it? You have to.
- [52:21]
David Corbo
Can we pull this up? I think this is actually a good contributor to the conversation. So this is something that's gone viral in the past couple of days. It's a series of coordinates you could put into Google Earth and you can find this, what appears to be a lumber yard or something like that in la. I actually looked this up. There's a grid mode on Google Earth because it turns out you can't copy and paste the coordinates very well. And so I was able to find this using longitudinal. And this is a real thing in la. Now this has gone considerably viral. I don't know. This one has 57.4 million views. And this was posted just yesterday. Now the reason that I'm highlighting this, this lumber yard, you can see there's the word help, trafico, federales, something. I don't know how you would pronounce that. Federals. And so dos is also spelled among these things. The point, the reason that I'm bringing this up, somebody's doing an investigation on it currently. There's a guy named like LA guy, I think his name is on X and he's actually doing like man on the street groundwork. He's going up to homeless people, he's asking them about it. And this is a, a well known phenomenon in the area. But obviously with the words trafico and like that in there, lapd. Help, help, help. This is, you know, have. It has all of the, the trappings of a human trafficking scenario. I bring it up because it's at 57.4 million views. Yeah, this is hugely important to people. I mean, obviously it's got this bent that it's a mystery too. People want to solve the mystery. That's got.
- [53:48]
Clint Russell
Sexy, right?
- [53:49]
David Corbo
It is very sexy. But look, it's like we're talking about, should we. Could we. Would we get into a war with the cartel? That right there, that 57.4 million associated with this human trafficking play. I think that speaks to the public sentiment. I mean, I agree with you.
- [54:08]
Dave Smith
This is actually. No, this is actually a good example of why I'm right, though, is that the. The. The investigator that you talked about went there on the ground, interviewed the homeless lady, and she goes, oh, yeah, that's Jose. He's crazy.
- [54:20]
David Corbo
Yeah. Actually, the guy's name was Help. So. So the guy's name was Help.
- [54:23]
Clint Russell
And.
- [54:24]
David Corbo
And that's the idea, is that there's just this crazy guy that goes and says these things, but he starts talking to the workers. The workers are getting pretty aggravated with them. Look, I mean, you got to admit, if you're. If English isn't your first language and some guy just comes up to you and starts asking you about who's spelling help in the lumber yard, you're probably going to get a little uncomfortable and have some strange body language. But the whole thing was a little uncanny. When he's talking to these people, it seems like they would much rather not talk about what's happening on the other side of the fence. So, I mean, yeah, it could just be this homeless guy, but. But it doesn't matter. Like I said, Clint, I agree with you on the idea that we shouldn't do this, but this right here, this 57.4 million. Like I said, it's not about whether or not this is real. It could easily be the guy's name was Help. Look, just for the audience, the way that it's kind of being explained is back in New Jersey, you. I used to see a lot of common graffiti. There would be pk. That was the guy's name. It was his tag. Right? And there would be Kid. Kid, and that was his tag. And they would put them in crazy locations. They're kind of saying, like, help is this dude's name. That's his. His, like, you know, crazed sort of artist tagger name. Strange, because I don't know if his middle name is Traffico or his last name is lapd, but he saw fit to toss those elements in there. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if this is real. 57.4 million people in one day also.
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Clint Russell
Yeah, listen, it's. It's. It doesn't matter if it's. If that instance is real. But now this is in the public conscious. That's happening. We know that. We know that people are being raped, like, constantly. The UN Admits to it. They were handing out rape kits to the people that were going across the border and making the trek through Mexico and El Salvador. And those Places. So this is happening. The human trafficking thing is a huge problem. Again, I'm not going to sit here and advocate for human trafficking. I don't give a fuck. But what I will say is that they're making tons of money off this shit. And not only are they making tons of money, we know that our government's complicit. We know that. Listen, I think it's fairly safe to say that some of our politicians are partaking. And there's also, it's also pretty fair to say that we have, you know, Alex Rosen going out there and busting the regular pedophile. But these people that are running these operations and getting all this money, no problem. Actually, you know, you know who was actually busting these people? Donald Trump. 2017, 2018, 2019. And then we got Covid.
- [56:38]
David Corbo
People forget that this people didn't know that, that the first Trump administration, there was a lot of pedophile ring busts, but they weren't in conjunction as if it was part of a larger operation. And they went pretty much un reported on. Like they, you know, there was articles, but they weren't sensationalized because during that administration we were just busy with Orange man is Bad. Right. And so most of the mainstream media wasn't commenting on it, but I was finding these articles on a weekly basis of the Trump administration breaking up another substantial pedophile ring. I think it's interesting that we have, have this article that just came out that 75,000 migrant children have been located. These are apparently children that the Biden administration lost track of. I don't really know understand what that language means. I just saw this develop in the last couple of hours, and I still.
- [57:25]
Dave Smith
Find that hard to believe, man. Like, you can't find, like you may have found records to, you know, point you in the direction of where these kids were, but there's no way that in a less than a week, Trump administration found 75,000 individual children.
- [57:39]
David Corbo
Let's, let's say that that's, that's, you're right, that's not the case. He didn't do that. This is. There, there, there could well be an effort to make this nature of thing synonymous with the Trump administration.
- [57:51]
Dave Smith
Yeah, clearly, clearly there is. And that, that was a lot in alignment with the Q phenomenon and Trump played, played right into that. Look, I, I think that the, the human, human trafficking issue is, is one that is very challenging for libertarians to deal with because they tend to be so anti war. But at the same time, like, that.
- [58:10]
David Corbo
Is the age of Consent thing?
- [58:11]
Dave Smith
No, but that is. But it is also clearly such a, you know, horrific violation of human rights on every level that, that, like, it has to be stopped. I think that the question is, how do you go about that? And can you trust. Can you trust the three letter agencies that. That either either participated in it, covered up for it, or are the entire operation themselves? I don't know. What, can you trust them? Do you want to empower them to, you know, deal with that issue? Like, from my, from my vantage point, like, I would be much more trusting if. And this is. I know this sounds kind of crazy, but honestly, I would be much more trusting if Trump was like, I'm going to deputize retired Navy SEALs to stop this. Like, and not, not active, not guys looking for promotions, but just dudes that are like, I want to fucking go save kids. Yeah, and we're going to give you a green light to fucking stop these. These organizations.
- [59:08]
Clint Russell
We had save these kids. We had January six, right? The January Sixers kind of had the same idea, like, I'm going to stop this injustice. They went. They were smacked harder than anybody's been smacked in the last fucking hundred years. So this is dissuaded.
- [59:23]
Dave Smith
That was on the, that was on the last day of Trump's presidency. I'm talking about on day seven of Trump's presidency, him deputizing Navy SEALs to go, hey, I don't trust the CIA. Like, if he was being honest, this is what bothers me the most about it, is Trump will give lip service to the cartels and all this other shit, but he's not. He's not talking about what you all are talking about. He's not talking about the CIA's participation. He's not talking about Operation Fast and Furious under Eric Holder under the Obama administration. He's not talking about any of this. So, like, there's still a level of, of not being forthright. If he was being totally forthright, I would buy that. Okay. Yeah, we're just interested in protecting these kids and stopping this process. There's something else happening here because you're not telling me the full truth. Because I know that there's layers to this that you're not telling me about, and I know that they're real.
- [60:05]
David Corbo
So can I tell you what I suspect is happening, Clint? I, I, we talked about this. Either it was an appearance on Liberty Lockdown or it was the first pilot episode of, of Dangerous that we did. But I, I told you that I believe that we were going to see the Trump Train the vindication train continue and that he was going to be vindicated Even on the QAnon front is what I said. And I think that the reason you are feeling like we're being siloed into this decision culturally and, and legislatively like, or, or, you know, I certainly feel that way. It's, it's been a buildup for quite some time is because this is a show on wheels on, on a track. We're being subjected to a series of events and I know this is going to be maybe a little bit different for your audience, but I look at this all as, as though it's been theater. And this QAnon element that, that Trump is involved with, that Clint brought up earlier is a major component to this story. And, and I do think that there are some aspects of the Q phenomenon that were hyper sensationalized and certainly carried away with by, you know, the anons, the people that are trying to disseminate or trying to dive through and, and, and, and look through this information that's being disseminated by somebody who, who seems to have some sort of military intelligence aspect to them. I think there's a lot of truth within it. It's just they get carried away with all these other things so.
- [61:25]
Clint Russell
Well, they have their own agenda. Right? So like just as Clint is saying.
- [61:29]
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- [62:16]
Clint Russell
I think that I'm 100% right about what's going on here with the cartels with and with Mexico's allowance of it. But what they are going to, they'll present a solution and then they'll also take more what they want. Maybe they want some kind of global conquest, I don't really know, but going.
- [62:33]
David Corbo
To be like the biggest version of that, right? I mean just imagine what the American people would consent to if it was all in the name of saving children, and it was being asked of the American people by a guy that was just lionized to the highest.
- [62:48]
Clint Russell
Not just in the name of saving children, David, It's. I mean, it is.
- [62:51]
David Corbo
Exactly.
- [62:52]
Clint Russell
It is in the name of saving children. It is in the name of fentanyl, it is in the name of stopping. I think methamphetamine is a drug.
- [62:57]
David Corbo
Things aren't fake.
- [62:58]
Clint Russell
Methamphetamine is a drug that we should not allow in the United States. This is like, there's nothing to this meth.
- [63:03]
Dave Smith
Meth. Meth is not imported. That's cooked here. I mean, yes, it's important somewhat, but like, there is meth labs all across this country.
- [63:10]
Clint Russell
I'm just saying, like, do drugs, do drugs if you want to, but methamphetamine, it's like, dog. This is a gateway to methamphetamine.
- [63:18]
Dave Smith
Methamphetamine and fentanyl are both absolutely life destroyers. I mean, fentanyl is much more lethal, but fentanyl, excuse me, meth, like, destroys the, the user. Yeah, in a very matter of, well, a matter of a few years. And you're like, you're a totally different person. Look, I am. Again, I don't think I need to argue this. Ron Paul didn't use drugs. I don't use drugs. I'm, I'm not arguing for legalization for that purpose. I'm arguing that there is market demand that's not going to go away. And unless you want to live in a total police state, you're not going to get rid of these drugs. And, and also the agencies that you're entrusting with these terrorism labels of the cartels to go after, these guys are the agencies that were participating in the drug trafficking operation from its inception. So there is just, there is a layers to this that I think you guys understand. But a lot of the MAGA folks that are like, oh, the FBI is good and CIA is good, no, like, yeah, they're just not thinking this thing through. They're like, no, if we just stop the cartels and the fentanyl stops and then my, my nephew doesn't die. You know, like, that's how they're viewing this. And I just, I just think they're wrong. I just don't think it's that simple. And I think that as a consequence of that, you will obviously see we already saw just a few hours ago, the first shots being fired between cartel members and, you know, border patrol or whoever that was. Fortunately, no one was Hit. So it won't. It probably won't escalate things too dramatically, but at some point, there will be American, you know, servicemen or whatever, government officials that get taken out by these cartels. And when that happens, it's gloves off. It's going to go fast. And I think libertarians are not really on top of how serious the Trump administration is about this. Like, you had Vivek, who was on my show. Actually, I debated him about this topic. I also debated him about, you know, Taiwan, but he was talking about this, you know, a year ago when I had him on about how Mexico and the cartels and all this like this. In my opinion, this has been a narrative that they've been pushing for a long time, because I think that they understand, too, that the, you know, animal spirits or whatever you want to call it of the American people has to be directed somewhere. And I think that they want to direct it at Mexico. I do.
- [65:22]
David Corbo
I, I agree with that. Look, I mean, I think that most of this, like I said, I think most of it is, Is theater. And, and so when you were saying earlier that you don't understand why Trump isn't talking about the CIA involvement in these sorts of things, it's. It's because it doesn't work. Right. You're awfully confused. I mean, any. Anybody who's watching and listening, awfully confused, looking in from the outside, wondering why he's doing so many good things, but he's not taking that extra step. And a lot of it starts to make sense when you realize that this is. I like Trump. I like a lot of his. His legislation, I like his politics. I like the, you know, just the, The. The economy being better. Right. It's like kind of what the average person is. Is hungry for, to be able to afford gas and groceries again without struggling. But I do think that we're getting. And only time's gonna tell, but I think we're getting like a Trojan horse of sorts. You know what I mean? Where he's rolling up. And just for the record, every.
- [66:16]
Dave Smith
Every new tranche of war propaganda is always a Trojan horse. Yeah, it's. No, it's never what you're being told. It's always at least, you know, 50 lies. And, and what you get as a consequence of that is never what's promised. In the beginning, we were not like, we were promised that we were gonna defeat terrorism. Did that happen? Nope. Can we even make an argument that it, like, really diminished terrorism? Probably not. Did. Did Iraq become some blossoming democracy? No, it Didn't. What about Libya? What about, you know, any of these others just go down the line. And I think it's the same thing with the Mexico issue. Like people, people go, oh, it's an art, it's a narco state. So yeah, of course if you're going to go after the cartels, you got to go after the government too. And you know, whatever, it's got to be fixed. This is our neighbor. We can't allow this to persist. Okay, well what do you think is going to happen? Are you going to nation build Mexico? Are you going to conquer it? Is it going to be part of America now? Do you want to have 70, 100 million, whatever, Mexicans that are now American citizens, are they going to be, are Palestinians moving forward? Like, people just don't ex, they don't think these things through. It's the exact same thing with Iraq where like, well, how are the Shias and Sunnis and everybody gonna get along afterwards? Like, we're not worried about that. We don't know anything about that. And I think it's the same thing here.
- [67:28]
David Corbo
It's embarrassing because this is the kind of plot that they make like children's entertainment out of, you know what I mean? It's like you got a kids show and like a, there's somebody in town who creates a fleet of robots and then releases the robots on the town and they cause all kinds of havoc and then all sudden that person that created them steps out of the shadows and offers this solution and everybody clamors and then next thing you know, he saves the day. He gets rid of the robots by turning them the off. And then he says, all I got to do is, you know, have X, Y and Z. You got to allow me to have these powers, those powers. And everybody, you know, happily, it's literally the like, that's, that's a, a rudimentary plot to a child's movie and it's, it's what we're being subjected to, I would argue.
- [68:06]
Dave Smith
Yeah, but they, they run that same child's movie on over and over again.
- [68:11]
David Corbo
It's, I mean, look, if it's not broke, don't fix it, I guess, but it's embarrassing.
- [68:14]
Dave Smith
But my argument is that it is broken. That, that we have enough examples and we have access to information through Internet and decentralized things that like they, there's no real excuse for people to be buying this same narrative again. And, and that's, that's the reason I wanted to have this conversation with you guys is that I Think that that's the mistake is that. Well, all right, so let me. Let me steel man the differences here. The steel man of the differences here and why this might be a war with fighting is that this is actually our homeland. This is actually our country. You know, like, Iraq had no real chances of ever with us. Iran doesn't either. You know, basically no foreign power does because we'll just. Everyone on earth will die. So, like, we don't have a real issue with that. This is. This is on our land. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have died of drug overdoses as a consequence of these drugs. Now, I don't. I still put some of the blame on the users because a lot of the people are doing these drugs voluntarily, but. But a lot of these people are being poisoned because they don't even know that they're taking fentanyl. And that's obviously tragic.
- [69:20]
David Corbo
They were prescribed an opioid by some sort of, you know, doctor. Well, yeah, pharmaceutical industry.
- [69:25]
Dave Smith
That's. That's almost in every instance. People don't, like, just hop to fentanyl. Like, they. They get prescribed oxy because they. They had a broken arm or they had back surgery, and then all of a sudden they're on street after their prescription runs out. Like, that happens over and over again. So that's. That's another part of my issue here is like, none of this is holistic. But anyways, let me go back to Steel Manning. So we're already suffering losses of Americans that are far, far outpace that of 9, 11 by a million miles. So I understand, like, the imperative. I also understand that you have at minimum, 11 million over the past four years and probably 20 to 30 million, according to Steve Friend. 30 to 40 million I've came across over the past four years, which sounds nuts to me, but maybe it's true. I don't know if you believe in defending your country, if you are a nationalist libertarian, which most of my audience, I'm not sure where they fall on that, but I think that, like, there is justification to say, like, yeah, we're being invaded and what do we. What do we do about that then? Then you add to it kind of what could be argued is bio warfare with fentanyl. And I'm like, all right, that's very complicated. So, like, basically, what I'm trying.
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David Corbo
Trafficking element.
- [70:37]
Dave Smith
Yeah. In the human trafficking. So what I'm saying is, like, this is a much more justifiable claim to make, but it does not get rid of the lessons of the past when it Comes to the inability to actually topple corrupt governments and, and criminal organizations and fix these places. They don't get better, they get worse. So I think that I don't care about Mexico.
- [71:00]
Clint Russell
Mexico like this.
- [71:01]
Dave Smith
But, but then, but then the problem isn't fixed in top. I understand.
- [71:04]
Clint Russell
You don't care about shut down the border.
- [71:06]
David Corbo
Wouldn't have fallen for it again.
- [71:08]
Dave Smith
Agreed.
- [71:08]
David Corbo
Unless you answer.
- [71:10]
Clint Russell
Well, here's the thing. This is like we're taking steps towards it and we're. I think we're seeing, like, we're seeing the combatant become inflamed. So the first thing he did, like once he was sworn in, put his hand. He didn't even put his hand on the Bible, which is a whole nother conversation. They shut down the border. They had guys there ready to go. They clocked in at, you know, 8:00am that day. And when he was ready, 12:00pm, boom, they shut down the border. So this is the step for healing, for this nation to heal is being taken. In my opinion, how you solve it would be shut down that border. Our relationship with Mexico has to be strict, tenuous, maybe even not combatant. But I wouldn't, I wouldn't work with them. I would, I would pressure them into everything. I would, I would punish them.
- [71:53]
Dave Smith
You have to. Yeah, because they're not going to do it otherwise, obviously, or they would be doing it already.
- [71:57]
Clint Russell
Yeah. And unfortunately, their people are going to suffer if you punish them with tariffs or imports, things like that. But hey, listen, this has been going on for far too long. So number one, you have to stop the bleeding. So there's our tourniquet. Number two, now we have all these people inside of our country. And I've looked at the numbers. I think ISIS deported like a thousand people a day. If you deport a thousand people a day over 365 days a year, over four years, it does not equal the 10, let's say 10 million. It equals something like, I don't know, like 1.3 million, which means that there's still 8 million people that came here. And I don't know who the fuck they are. They're here in our country doing God knows what. So it's like, what do you do to solve this problem? And no, it's not bomb Mexico. It's not in. Who cares about leave Mexico alone. It's inside here. So first thing. Yes, cut it. Cut off that border. They can't. There cannot be any cut off the border everywhere. Nobody comes into America because like we, we are poisoned right now. We need to figure out what's going on in our country. That's absolutely not what they're going to do. And I understand what you're saying, Clint. What they're going to do is Iraq War 3, you know, but it's in Mexico. It would be justifiably hilarious. But it's not going to fucking solve what. What I want to be solved.
- [73:13]
David Corbo
Well, let's go back to what you just said. These people are here and they're doing God knows what, right? So even if you eliminate the. The cartel aspect, we're not doing war with the cartel. Let's say that's off the table, right? We're not doing that, but we are doing these mass deportations. Don't you feel as though, like you look at the Colorado apartment situation where all these Venezuelan migrants are coming over and they're. They're taking over? Right. And they even got into a combative situation in the project buildings of Chicago, where as bad as it is in Chicago, they were, you know, it was almost like you didn't know who to root for. Is it the Venezuelan migrants? Do you have to vote for anybody? I don't know. But so, you know, what happens is the government is going to engage in this mass deportation, and I think what's going to end up happening organically anyway.
- [73:53]
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- [74:38]
David Corbo
It is because of the nature of what you're investigating and the nature of who you're deporting. You're going to find that the cartel is embedded and that they're running all kinds of crazy operations in our own country. If we keep going down this path of getting these people the out of the country, we're gonna pull the curtain back.
- [74:53]
Clint Russell
And here's. Here's what I'd suggest.
- [74:55]
Dave Smith
We're gonna Find that's a mystery, though. I think that they already know that.
- [74:58]
David Corbo
And I know, but I'm saying what happens.
- [75:00]
Clint Russell
You're gonna find the proof.
- [75:01]
David Corbo
We. We hold it up undeniably to the American people and go, look, look, you need to.
- [75:05]
Clint Russell
You need to tell, like, somehow tell the American people. Because I'm. I'm already there in my heart where if they showed me this stuff, they'd be like, here's all the kids they killed. Here's all the money that we took. Yeah, we were cutting cocaine with fentanyl on purpose. And we think it's funny because we're waging war against you. Cool. You could show me all that evidence. But if I have you out of my country, I am okay with just you being gone. Like, fine, get the fuck out. But we have to start building again as a country. We can't. We can't. If we do, you want to get that. You want to get focused on war again. And this is the message that we need to tell people. But there absolutely is a war coming. And most likely we're going to all have to fight and be of the same mindset of like, we have to understand this was happening, this is happening, and it needs to stop. Attacking Mexico and the Mexican people is not going to stop it. But being like non negotiable with them shutting down our border and then completely draining our society of these people is what needs to happen when we do that. That is going to cause false flag attacks, terrorist attacks. God only knows what is going to happen, but it has to happen because it has to stop.
- [76:10]
Dave Smith
Well, then I don't think we actually disagree, which is kind of surprising because your tweets make it seem like we totally disagree.
- [76:17]
Clint Russell
It's just rhetoric. Right? War with Mexico. I'm not the country Mexico, but these. But again, indistinguishable the cartels of Mexico. They killed like, I don't know, 12 different candidates to put. Put in some Jewish lady. That lady's not the president of Mexico. The cartel is she just there as a face. And it's. So we are going.
- [76:35]
Dave Smith
Shine Bomb is a very interesting Hispanic name.
- [76:37]
Clint Russell
Yeah, it's very interesting. Yeah. I don't know anyone from my family named Shine Bomb. But listen, it's gonna. It's gonna go down to the point where, where we are at war with the Mexican government and we are at war with our own government. It's a crazy thing. Our government has its tendrils into the cartel and the cartel has its tendrils into Mexico, and I Mean, listen, it's not really a surprise, right? Like, all the other, all the other countries that we've overthrown and just in the Middle east alone, these are our puppet countries. They do what we want until we kind of lose control of them. And then they, you know, we see this.
- [77:08]
Dave Smith
This is, this is actually a really important point because this is a distinction I make in my mind, and I don't know if everybody else does this, but the way I perceive it is that, yes, these foreign governments are largely in our employ. Like, they do what we tell them to, but they don't do what the Trump administration tells them to. They don't do what the American people tell them to. They do what the, they do what the deep state tells them to. They do what the permanent bureaucracy in America tells them to, the military industrial complex, etc. Etc. So that's the problem is that, like, we do have control mechanisms over Mexico to a certain extent, but they, this is my point is that they've been doing what we've wanted them to. They've been wanting them to continue to run humans and fentanyl and all this other into our country. So now you have to use. Trump has to use his own power and his own leverage to get the government to do what he wants them to, not what the existing deep state wants them to. That's a huge challenge, and I don't know that he can prevail in that fight, but I don't think that he, that it's to his benefit to turn to the military. Well, maybe, maybe the military is more on his side. They, they certainly lean more conservative than what appears the FBI does at this junction. But I'm just saying it's very hard to know who he can trust. And I don't even know if I can trust Trump at the end of the day. So it's like, like this is all really challenging, and I just err on the side of caution, and I just want to, like, focus on defending our borders, getting the most dangerous illegals out of this country so that they don't have the, as much of an excuse for, you know, really draconian laws and things of that nature. And, and that's, that's probably the best that we can do. That's probably the best middle ground. And a lot of this goes against, you know, some of my, my audience's opinions when it comes to this. And by, by all means, comment down below and let me know why I'm wrong here. But I think that this is a real problem. You've lost hundreds of thousands of people, countless children that have been trafficked across the border. You have to have some answer for this. And if you don't have an answer, if you just go, oh, that's not Libertarianism 101 purity test, well, then you're not really contributing anything to this conversation. Tell me exactly how you would go about it differently than what I've prescribed. I would love to hear it.
- [79:22]
Clint Russell
Can you show this picture here really quick? Because I think this is significant. And this is, again, getting to this weird Q stuff, but this is Donald Trump Demerit America.
- [79:31]
David Corbo
Really?
- [79:31]
Clint Russell
Yeah. Because, I mean, well, look at his. His picture, his inauguration picture. And look, it's like. Yeah, you know, like you've been through some. He was smiling in the last one. And this time it's like, this is a war president. And this right here, this is the way it should. It's supposed to be where the eagle is facing the olive branch. Yes. Yeah. This is looking at the arrows. He's looking at the arrows. He's. This is.
- [79:52]
Dave Smith
I know. Like, this is. This is freaky, man. Really is.
- [79:55]
Clint Russell
It's a wartime presidency. This is a war. Right, Right.
- [79:59]
David Corbo
When you saw him with, like, the one he's got, his. Like, one eye is smaller than the other. In that. In his. In his.
- [80:02]
Clint Russell
That's like the eye. What is that called? The Sam. Sampuku eye or something like that?
- [80:08]
David Corbo
Yeah. Where it's like you could see the bottom weights. Yeah. Very, very.
- [80:11]
Clint Russell
It's symbolic.
- [80:12]
David Corbo
It's filled with vengeance.
- [80:13]
Clint Russell
Yeah. But this is. He. Listen, they're telling you this is a. He's not telling. He's telling the people, which I think is fair warning. But he's also telling this deep state that he's coming after them. And I think he was coming after them that first time, but he was doing it in a weird way where he thought he could negotiate. And then they hit us with COVID whatever he was.
- [80:31]
David Corbo
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- [81:24]
Clint Russell
Purchase at purch store.com doing behind the scenes there. Listen, this did not. It doesn't happen by accident. This did not develop in a wet market. This was a bioweapon and it was released on purpose. All the lockdowns, everything that you went through was done purposely to you because of some shit that this guy was doing. Is he on your side? I don't know. Is he on. I don't think he's on my side. I think he's on his side. But his side seems to benefit what I want. And the other people, they seem to want me dead. So there's a war going on and this, and this is happening whether you like it or not. He's declaring war. And the first people that he said that he declared as terrorists were the cartels. That's telling me that it's like this is the arm of this shadow government that is its military enforcement. And they're here. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to tell you.
- [82:09]
David Corbo
Something very gay. We, we talk about him a lot. We try to slow down, but it just keeps happening.
- [82:15]
Clint Russell
Anyway.
- [82:16]
David Corbo
On Nephilim, everybody drink. Character Cliff high. So you want to talk about a guy who's been kind of on a. On a tangent lately with predictions coming out of this webbot that he's developed. It scrapes the Internet for data and it makes predictions about potentialities in the future. Well, one of the things that it said was going to be happening, or at least you could surmise from the data would be happening over the next. It was this month and then I believe February and March. So throughout these three month period we would see the falling apart of the deep state. But that wouldn't be so obvious to the viewer. What we would see is the symptoms of that. David's been saying this actually called the melee.
- [82:54]
Clint Russell
He's been saying this since November.
- [82:56]
David Corbo
Since November, Right.
- [82:57]
Clint Russell
So maybe October. When was Bohemian Grove?
- [83:01]
David Corbo
That was in October. So I started talking about, we started talking about him middle of November, I think is when he got put on my radar. And then we've been kind of like sounding the alarm ever since. And you know, it's something to be taken with a grain of salt, but either way what he said was going to be happening or at least what no David, sorry.
- [83:19]
Clint Russell
Suggested, oh, Bohemian Grove happened October 25th and the 26th. It might be happening again pretty soon. We're working on some details. So if you like that. Oh, that's right.
- [83:26]
Dave Smith
Yeah.
- [83:26]
David Corbo
We gotta start figuring out who, who's performing and all that.
- [83:28]
Clint Russell
So that predates, that predates the election and that predates Trump even winning. But this was the prediction that he's getting from his web.
- [83:35]
David Corbo
Well, that's what he's saying is the Deep state is going to fall apart. That wouldn't be so obvious to the outside. From the outside looking in. What we would see is symptoms of that. Like for example, a lot of pulling the trigger on like false flag events. And the reason that would happen is because the Deep state has smaller organizations that would answer to it, but they have contingency plans allegedly that they would be pulling the trigger on when they don't have anybody to answer to. And that would also cause a lot of infighting and things of that nature. So really what we would see is chaos, which from the outside looking in, if we were trying to make sense of all the different that was going on, we might actually be at a disadvantage because there might not be sense to be made of it. It might just be sort of the writhing, the death throes of this, you know, this element of our own government. And so, and then know the good news is by June, allegedly we would be in a really, really nice place. But February, March, April, May, definitely February, March and April. I believe he said we're going to be really, really hard and that because of this, something would happen where the migrant situation would actually result in some combat situations between average civilians and, and you know, disgruntled migrants. And that eventually it would kind of fix itself. Like it wouldn't go into this full blown war. But these people will be like, well, there's nothing here for me. And these people don't like us and we're fighting all the time. So a lot of them will just go home, but there will be a, a clash that will happen. And so if we are doing this mass rounding up of migrants and deporting them, well, surely some of them would run away. Surely some of them would become, you know, rather unhinged. And you might see actual combat situations between people who live in cities.
- [85:18]
Dave Smith
Maybe, let's say it's inevitable. It's going to happen for sure.
- [85:21]
Clint Russell
Yeah.
- [85:22]
Dave Smith
Look, I, it's, it's funny because I think a lot of people listening to Tops rant prior to yours will, will think that he sounds kind of Crazy. And I just want to say that, like, yeah, I, I just want to say that, like, I don't totally disagree. In fact, I agree with probably 80 of it. And I think that, like, there's a real, there's a real danger over the next four years. Like, whether you think Trump's on your side or not is kind of irrelevant. Like, he's clearly not on their side. So what does that mean? Like, how, how will they go about trying to attack his presidency? Is it just going to be bureaucratic maneuvers where they slow walk his orders and they lie to him and they do all that like last time? Well, they're going to try that, but the reality is, is that he's surrounding himself with like hardline loyalists. This, this go around and they're going to fire the fuck out of those people real fast if they do that. So I think that like, then it puts on the table extrajudicial, which we've already seen a bullet. Well, in my opinion, graze Trump's ear.
- [86:25]
Clint Russell
So listen, whether it happened, whether that happened or not, because I will, I don't know. We don't know what happened there. But the, the precedent was set that it would happen and everybody believed that it would happen. If I was Trump, I would have gotten in front of it. But yeah, for sure they want him dead. This is, it's already done. They tried the political route, they tried to arrest him, they tried to sue him. They can't do it. They want, like there's only, there's one other step left. And when they can't get to him, then what happens?
- [86:49]
Dave Smith
Yeah, well, and if you, if you believe what you've said earlier about the release in 2019.
- [86:57]
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- [87:43]
Dave Smith
That already demonstrates like they're willing to do anything I mean, that's, that's. Millions of people perished as a consequence of their decisions. It was global now. Well, I know, but I'm just saying, like, that's still, that's millions of people all over the world. So I'm not, I'm not convinced that it was intentional. I just want to make that clear. I think that there's a fair argument to be made, particularly given the COVID up. It certainly looks as if they were covering it up because it was intentional. But it could also be that they were just funding research that was illegal. They knew that their hands were dirty and therefore they covered it up because they didn't want to have that brought to the fore.
- [88:18]
Clint Russell
And then they made a vaccine that kills more people.
- [88:20]
Dave Smith
Can I have to delete that part? Thanks, Clint.
- [88:24]
David Corbo
We had a conversation.
- [88:26]
Clint Russell
I think, listen, I think the rest of this episode might be a wash. This might be a rumble exclusive, exclusive at this point. But we had to talk about it. If we're talking about this. Right. This is deep stuff. So.
- [88:34]
Dave Smith
No, it's important. It's important.
- [88:35]
David Corbo
Well, look, look, we, we had this conversation a while ago and I kind of said, not, not really jokingly, I do suspect it's going to happen. And you didn't say that it wouldn't. You just said that it was rather unprecedented if it did happen. And we just had the beginnings of, of this thing that I speculated on, which is they are recommending a. I don't know if it's going to go through, but proposing an amendment to the second amendment allowing Donald Trump to run for a third term, not a second amendment, something that we actually talked about. Did that, what ended up happening, did that fall through?
- [89:06]
Clint Russell
Is that an 18th amendment?
- [89:08]
Dave Smith
Yeah, it's a different amendment.
- [89:09]
Clint Russell
22Nd.
- [89:10]
Dave Smith
22Nd. Okay. Yeah, yeah. They're trying to give him a third term, but they can't be consecutive. But because he had a gap, that means he can do three. Look, I don't think it's going to happen. And I think that Trump's very old and I, I, you know, but who the knows. I know. You guys, you guys, you guys all cool tweeted it with the, the last president, which I guess is some other conspiracy theory.
- [89:29]
David Corbo
Well, that's not, look, that goes into a lot of weird stuff, right? Roseanne Bars thought that this was going to be the last election or something like that. There's a lot of that sort of.
- [89:36]
Dave Smith
She didn't think that this election would happen either.
- [89:38]
David Corbo
Yeah, yeah, that's true. And so, but that's like a Lot of people have been speculating for whatever reason, that this is going to be the last presidency. And, you know, I think the thing that's at the heart of that is those Ingersoll Lockwood books, the 1900 or the Last President, and the marvelous underground adventures of little Baron Trump. But I'm not saying that it is going to happen. I just think it's funny that, you know, it's even on the table as a conversation piece when previously it was just the unhinged ramblings of. Of a partially schizophrenic host of a conspiracy show. So I just thought that was really funny because I don't know if it's going to, you know, who the hell knows if it's going to happen, but hilarious nonetheless.
- [90:14]
Dave Smith
Well, I wanted to play you guys this clip. Hold on one sec. Do it.
- [90:19]
Clint Russell
I think he should get a redo, right? The first term was a wash. Realistic.
- [90:23]
David Corbo
That was what I was getting at with my lack of this guy. Political. Understand. Oh, this is so funny. Please.
- [90:28]
Dave Smith
Yeah, I love this. I'm not going back to Haiti.
- [90:31]
David Corbo
One of those threats is this illegal alien from Haiti.
- [90:34]
Dave Smith
I says he's a gang member with 17 criminal convictions in recent years. You feel me?
- [90:41]
Clint Russell
Yo, Biden forever, bro.
- [90:43]
Dave Smith
For everything that he did for me, bro. Yeah, I, I'm definitely, I'm definitely not gonna lose any sleep over a guy who was 17 criminal.
- [90:53]
David Corbo
But I feel like that's, that's, that's theatrics to me, that feels theatrical. I don't think that that's real. I think that guy's probably an actor. I just, It's.
- [91:00]
Dave Smith
Oh, interesting.
- [91:01]
David Corbo
It's too tone deaf, you know what I mean? To, like, be championing Joe Biden is, you know, especially in these, as you're getting deported. I think the optics of it are tremendous, and I still think it's real.
- [91:13]
Dave Smith
I could not disagree with you more. If you remember the Obama phone lady, we got our Obama phone.
- [91:19]
Clint Russell
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They be doing shit like that super.
- [91:22]
Dave Smith
Viral clip back in the day. Like, that is not unheard of. And for him to say, like, Biden's my homeboy. Fuck Trump. You know, like, I'm not going back to hate, baby. That seems all. All plausible to me personally.
- [91:33]
David Corbo
So here, pull this up real quick because this is in alignment with that. It's only 30 seconds, but here.
- [91:41]
Clint Russell
Oh, yeah. Just wanted to say that I'm so sorry.
- [91:46]
Dave Smith
Who's this Selena Gomez people are getting?
- [91:49]
David Corbo
This is Selena Gomez and she's crying. It's only 30 seconds.
- [91:53]
Dave Smith
Hold on.
- [91:53]
Clint Russell
Let's.
- [91:53]
David Corbo
We'll let it play.
- [91:54]
Clint Russell
Attack children. They don't understand.
- [92:03]
Dave Smith
I'm so sorry.
- [92:04]
Clint Russell
I wish I could do something, but I can't. I don't know what to do. I'll try everything.
- [92:13]
David Corbo
She'll try everything. She'll try everything. So, so what that is, is Selena Gomez, the, the impossibly rich, the, the, you know, reaching unheard of levels of superstardom. She's crying because of the mass deportations and because it's so close to her heart and she wants to do whatever she can and she promises she will do whatever she can. Another wonderful piece of theater. To me, this is just, that happens. Do you think that they didn't create viral moments? Even using our own governmental institutions to try to bolster Kamala Harris's popularity among like, Gen Z voters and like that? Right, of course they did. So I, I, I will err on the side of caution with you, Clint, that it could be that it, you know, sure, it's real, but I do believe there's precedent for just having these, these moments, these theatrical moments that are shot well, that are impactful, that create virality, that stick in the mind of the public.
- [93:06]
Dave Smith
I, I, I, I understand your perspective. The reason I say I, I lean towards the direction of this being genuine is that these people are mentally ill. That like, genuinely, people that are in Hollywood, they go to parties together, they are on the movie set together, they're in the recording studio together, and they're all just constantly telling themselves that like, Donald Trump's a fascist and immigrants are just beautiful, like they're better, they're superior to everybody that's born in America and deporting them is the worst thing that's ever happened and that they're devastated. Now, now the performative nature of videoing yourself and putting it on the Internet is certainly a performance, but to, to argue that the, the feeling is totally not real for them, I don't think it's true. I think that these people are genuinely crazy.
- [93:50]
David Corbo
It's real.
- [93:51]
Clint Russell
That black dude I worked, I tell the story before I told it before. I worked with the guy in the tracks when Donald Trump won in 2016 and he literally like tore his vest and his shirt, like in Lamentation, screaming that he's going to be nuts. It's what they, they believe it. I mean, the narrative has been set and perpetuated in such a way where they do believe it. It's funny to see the people that perpetuate the narrative believing it this hard. So does Selena Gomez. Believe it. I'm not really sure. Is it?
- [94:17]
David Corbo
Well, let me ask you.
- [94:18]
Clint Russell
Whatever.
- [94:19]
David Corbo
When all those celebrities got together during the lockdowns and they sang Imagine all the People, do you think that they really meant Imagine all the people? Or did somebody on their management team say this would be good publicity and this is actually great because right now we're getting a buck from, you know, insert big pharmaceutical corporations.
- [94:36]
Dave Smith
Look, everybody was. All of the recording. All of the studios were shut down. They had nothing to do. They are completely addicted to fame. So there's such egotist or such egotistical narcissistic lunatics that they thought, well, this will make people. People feel better to have us all getting together and singing a song because they all worship us. That's their perspective. They. They fancy themselves gods. So for them, they're like, this is, this is going to go great. Everyone's gonna love this. They love us. They come and watch our movies. They go. They listen to our music. Of course they're gonna. No, we despise you. And the fact that you would do that was so condescending is unbelievable.
- [95:13]
David Corbo
That's it. Your argument is that their tone deaf. Mine is that it was done out of malice to create a narrative. And honestly, I think you're worse of a person than I am because at least I'm looking to them, saying that they have an agenda and they have, you know, their wits about them. You're saying they're just retards and they don't have any idea what the people actually want.
- [95:32]
Clint Russell
I.
- [95:32]
David Corbo
Look, I mean, I don't think that that's not true. Maybe, maybe it's just my. I think it's territorial mind.
- [95:37]
Clint Russell
It's one of those. It's. It's this thing where maybe coming into it, they were like, I'll take the bag. You know, I know this is kind of weird. I don't really necessarily believe it. And then after a while of like so much reinforcement, positive reinforcement by everyone around you, by all the people who look up to you.
- [95:53]
David Corbo
The money they're powdering your nose.
- [95:55]
Clint Russell
Yeah. Like all that stuff. I think you start to really do believe this. So then when they. Somebody, you know, sweeps the carpet from underneath your feet, it's a complete surprise to you. But they'll have to come to reality eventually or I'd prefer that they don't. I'd prefer that they just go away. But we know that.
- [96:10]
Dave Smith
I don't think you have to worry. They're not coming back to reality. I mean, they're going to lie. They're going to do what Stephen A. Smith is doing where he's like, oh, you know, all these Democrats are crazy. And it's like, dude, you voted like literally 80 days ago. You cast a vote for Kamala Harris. Shut the fuck up forever. So look, they're going to do that. Like the smarter ones will, will pretend. But I think that, you know, sincerely wise, like they don't. There's no, there's not a sincere bone in their body. Anyways, I want to get you out of here on this. Got one more video that I thought you guys would find interesting. This is a woke pastor going against a street pastor. We'll see which guy which one you side with. Said nothing about it.
- [96:48]
Clint Russell
Now you tell me, what did Christ say about homosexuality?
- [96:55]
David Corbo
Matthew, chapter 19, verse 4. He says, Let a man come together with his wife and let them become one flesh. He was speaking about marriage. Marriage is between one man and one woman.
- [97:05]
Top Lobster
What was the culture of the time?
- [97:09]
David Corbo
I think marriage is in every culture.
- [97:12]
Clint Russell
No, what was the culture of the time?
- [97:14]
David Corbo
First off, in Romans it talks about our moral code. You believe in the moral code?
- [97:17]
Clint Russell
Oh, for heaven's sakes.
- [97:19]
David Corbo
You are so lost.
- [97:21]
Clint Russell
So lost. Because what is the basic principle of the gospel?
- [97:29]
David Corbo
To repent and turn to Jesus and know him.
- [97:32]
Dave Smith
The basic foundation of the gospel is love.
- [97:37]
David Corbo
To be saved from sin and death. Right?
- [97:40]
Clint Russell
Loving your neighbor as yourself.
- [97:43]
David Corbo
You are doing the absolute opposite of loving your neighbor. You are leading so many people astray into hell and I'm letting you know that you're going to be judged worsely by God than anyone else here because you knew the truth and you didn't repent. Now listen, now can you listen? Because I listened to you.
- [97:57]
Dave Smith
I listen to you.
- [97:58]
David Corbo
Romans, chapter one, verse 18. That was very incredible. I mean there was nothing of, of substance there from her. What did she do?
- [98:06]
Clint Russell
She was that the lady post moved.
- [98:08]
David Corbo
And then she, she attacked his.
- [98:10]
Dave Smith
You know, and then she had harmed. She was just like. You're so lost.
- [98:14]
Clint Russell
Was that the lady that did the, the sermon at, at the inauguration?
- [98:18]
Dave Smith
I. It looked, it looks like her. I don't. I don't know for a fact, but it looked just like her.
- [98:22]
David Corbo
So to be fair, she is wearing that kind of like run of the mill lesbian outfit kind of setup. Not the, not the past, just. Just the face and then what you're wearing. Exactly. Yeah, I, I've got an eye for it.
- [98:33]
Dave Smith
Listen, I just thought. I just thought you guys would find that, you know, from, from a non religious person. I, I Found it very interesting because it's two people that genuinely believe that they are, you know, super religious and in alignment with, with Christ and they couldn't be at more, more at odds.
- [98:48]
Clint Russell
If you read the scripture. Something interesting that we went through with Ed Mabry. Shout out to Ed Mabry. Faithbyreason.net you know, you know, the whole, the tale of Jesus whipping the money, the money changers in the back of the synagogue, right? Something real interesting that I never really noticed or didn't think of was in the scriptures. It says that he fashioned that whip. He didn't just like pick it up somewhere or buy it. He didn't go to the whip shop, made it. And every knot he tied, he said, I'm gonna fucking beat the shit out of you with this. And he beat the shit out of these guys. And people like her will go around and say, Jesus was a hippie. Jesus was all about love. It's like, nah, man, Jesus, that was premeditated, premeditated assault. And he sat there and he whipped these motherfuckers ass as they were doing dumb shit and he warned them not to. You're not supposed to be doing that. No money changing in the temple. No money changing at all. Usury is pretty bad. So when they're talking about this love and forgiveness thing, sure, that's part of it.
- [99:43]
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- [100:30]
Clint Russell
The guy nailed it. It's about repentance from sin. It's about choosing Jesus Christ. And you know, she will be judged more harsh than anybody else because she knows or she should know. And she's in a position leading people astray. And we can see that all throughout our society right now. This isn't the way to go. You, you want to do homosexuality. That's monkeypox. Baby, you want to do gay sex on you? Yeah. Get married. We have babies. American babies. Instead of Mexican people in our. Flooding our border. Simple as that, man.
- [100:57]
David Corbo
Or you can put your penis where the poop is at.
- [100:58]
Clint Russell
Yeah. Figure it out. It's so simple.
- [101:03]
Dave Smith
Cut you guys off. You know, I just, I just want to ask one more question about, you know, the, the culture war between Palumbo and Tim Pool and Elijah. I watched the whole thing. I, I found it super entertaining. I, I don't really agree with anybody in, in the conversation. I thought that they all made kind of bad points from time to time. But top you, you seem to really enjoy it, so I just want to get your feedback on it.
- [101:29]
Clint Russell
I agree with you. I agree with your sentiment as well. I think Elijah is obviously more correct and I think that Brad Palumbo is taking that, the old libertarian stance. I mean, they said it a bunch of times. The line go up sort of idea that doesn't help culture. It's. The show's about. The show is called the culture war. And really this is all about, and everything we do is about culture. If you want to move it, it's not going to be moved by economics. That stuff is secondary to everything else we do. So, yeah, like if we all, if.
- [101:59]
Dave Smith
Anything, the culture, the culture changes dramatically during times of, you know, economic largess. Like, look what the culture. Look what happened to the culture. As we had the, you know, the best economy in human history, the culture rotted. Now, I'm not saying that that's a direct consequence of the economy, but the correlation is interesting at least. And what I found most appalling, just as a, as an actual libertarian, was that Palumbo, throughout this entire fucking thing, as he's talking about how, you know, Tim Pool's lamenting the fact that young people can't afford houses and yada, yada, yada. Brad Palumbo never once mentions the Federal Reserve. Never once. He goes like, well, if it weren't for regulations, then we would be building more housing. It's like, bro, the reason that housing is so expensive is not regulations. I mean, that's a, that's a chunk of it, no doubt. But the primary driving force behind is usury, which is what you were pointing out, which is the central bank, the Federal Reserve fucking bearing interest rates, which created, you know, outsized demand and it allows for hedge funds to come through and buy up tens of tens and tens of thousands of homes. I mean, that absorbed the inventory, which then obviously, you know, throws the, the supply curve out of whack. And it's like, that's. That's what happened. But no one. Like, this is what was driving me crazy. I'm sitting there like, no one's saying the right thing. Everyone's wrong here. But it was still.
- [103:19]
Clint Russell
He should have. He should have been focused on that because his explanation was purely economical. Whereas Elijah was making a. I thought he made a pretty strong cultural argument to. Yeah, these things do change. And it's a. It's. Owen Benjamin was talking about the idea of scale. When you, when you get something so big, everything else, everything that contributed to its growth has to become diluted. And that's when you get shitty McDonald's rather than, you know, beef tallow. If there's only one or two McDonald's like this become. America has become like. I mean, the modern church has become a food chain store. It's so big, there's so many of them that they don't really mean anything anymore. They've kind of lost the idea of what it's supposed to be. So, yeah, as the economy grows, as this country grows, and as diversity continues to expand, it's just a scale thing. Like, how do you keep this, this intact when it's just a bunch of people that are barely holding on? I don't. I don't have the answers.
- [104:10]
Dave Smith
I think that that's the thing that has made me more of a nationalist and less of an open borders guy, is that, like, I've just recognized that, like, there is no cultural tie, you know, tie that binds us. And it's, in my opinion, it's really irrefutable that that's because we've had so much immigration over the past, not, not just the past four years, but the past 50. Like, it's been, it's been a dramatic shift that has obviously changed the fabric of this country. And I don't mean that it's like, it's not 100% negative. I think that immigrants to a large extent contribute in a positive fashion, but at a certain pace of immigration, it's just obvious to me that there are deleterious consequences when it comes to the cultural fabric and the thing that binds a people together. And that. That was kind of what Elijah Schaefer's argument was. And I think that that's. That's. Well, he. He breaks it down to more of a Christian nationalist and even a white nationalist argumentation to a certain extent. I don't go that far, but I do think that there's. There's some merit to the arguments. That are being made. And it's just so frustrating that, like, no one's able to actually just talk this out. You know, Tim's yelling at Brad and Brad's talking about regulations, and Elijah's talking about, you know, Walmart's being too dirty. And I'm like. Like none of you are really getting the point across that needs to be made here. I wish I had been there because.
- [105:31]
David Corbo
You'Ve got to, like, address a bunch of other people's points too. It's like, you know, maybe he did intend. Oh, is Brad.
- [105:36]
Dave Smith
I've done it. I've done it a dozen times. It's very. It's very hard to get your points across in the moment. So, like, I'm not trying to lecture these guys. I'm just saying there were some points that were missed that needed to be made.
- [105:45]
Clint Russell
That's all, I think. Well, in his defense, in. In Elijah's defense, and I do the same sort of thing. I think you have to go as far as possible. So he went. This white nationalist argument. Does he believe it? I don't think so, because his wife is Australian. Like, his kid is a partial immigrant as well. But. Yeah, but you have to push that far if I want to come to a place of sensibility. Whereas Brad Palumbo is very fine holding the line, saying that nothing. Brad Palumbo's argument is that nothing is wrong. Clearly something's wrong. You're fucking sitting here. They paid for you to come first class and sit here because something's wrong, Brad. And he's like, no, it's fine.
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Dave Smith
We just keep moving along to steel, man. Brad's argument, he's not saying nothing's wrong. He's saying that free trade has no bearing on what's wrong. And I think that that's also wrong. I think that. And this is what drives me crazy is that people want to win so that they're not going to be honest if Brad wants to be honest. The reality is, is that a lot of our free trade agreements are actually not free trade. They actually. They actually hurt the domestic production intentionally, because that was the negotiation part of the trade.
- [106:48]
Clint Russell
Yeah, but we can get for cheaper, though, Clint, you know.
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Dave Smith
Well, yeah, I mean, and the. These are the arguments and it's like, like I. I am a believer that free trade to a. I mean, to a huge extent has benefited not just the American people, but the entire world. And lifting the poorest of the poor into the, you know, lower class or some. To the middle class, some of the upper class. And it has been on net an unbelievable godsend. But there are still obvious consequences to having no, no real production of like, no industry. Like, no real industry in America. And you can't, you can't look at that and say, like, well, number go up. So obviously I'm right. Like, no, there, there you were. It requires greater nuance and it just frustrates me to no end that no one's willing to have. That.
- [107:38]
Clint Russell
Isn't, isn't that the argument full circle to what we came here to discuss about Mexico, where it's like, there is no real solution to this? It's, you're going to have to have these sacrifices because bad stuff's going to happen. But do you want to continue as we are or should we try to have some kind of solution here? You know, and.
- [107:56]
Dave Smith
Well, this is, this is really why I've been, I guess, kind of off the libertarian beaten path over the past few months. Is that, or really the past year. Is that like, it's just so obvious to me that, like, yes. Oh, and the libertarians are right about this when they say, like, everything you're talking about is a product of government, you know, interference in the market. And like, they all this stuff up and it's like, okay, I agree with you on that. Yeah, but that doesn't change where we're at now. Yeah, yes, exactly. Like, that's, that's what I'm most interested in is not, not placing the blame, which is 99% of the time on the government, I grant you that. But it's like, then what? And oftentimes they don't have a real answer for that. They just go, well, you shouldn't have done that. And it's like, okay, well, I agree with you. But then what, what do we do now? And I think that's, that's where, you know, the rubber meets the road right now, particularly with an administration that seems interested in the, then what? What are they gonna do? And they're doing it. And should we be supporting them? Should we be course correcting? Should we be critiquing on what direction they want to take? And that's, that's really where I'm at. Where I'm like, I think that they're, they're angling for a war with Mexico. I'd rather have this conversation with you guys now and, and allow people to, to think about it for themselves so they have a real opinion that is not just like, hoorah, we're America, we're the global hegemon. We're upset about what happened over the past four years, the past 40. So we're gonna go somebody up. Like, that's not the answer, guys. Like, if you want to somebody up, it should be because you want to stop human trafficking and you want to stop, you know, seeing your cousins and daughters die of drug overdoses. Like, that may be your justification, but don't just make it some bombastic, masculine, you know, battle cry.
- [109:36]
Clint Russell
It's the overcorrection.
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Dave Smith
More thoughtful.
- [109:38]
Clint Russell
The overcorrection is not going to.
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Dave Smith
Trying to caution against the overcorrection.
- [109:41]
Clint Russell
Yeah. That's not going to unfuck those kids. The overcorrection is not going to bring your cousin back to life. But we can. We need to have a solution to stop this from happening in the future. And I think that there is a way towards that. It's. It might be ugly, depending on what the opposition does, but there's no choice.
- [109:56]
Dave Smith
Yeah, yeah, I'll give you final, final comments. Dude.
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David Corbo
I was just gonna say, I tend to agree with Top on that. I think we are looking at a situation where it's very much like the economic bubble. Right. And it's like, at some point we're gonna have to get, you know, on. It's gonna have to burst. If we keep prolonging it, things only get exponentially worse. And so I think it's, eat your vegetables, America. What's that?
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Dave Smith
So eat your vegetables, America.
- [110:19]
David Corbo
Exactly. So I think it's one of those things we got to go through the fire first in order to come out of this, because I don't see a solution that's not messy.
- [110:29]
Dave Smith
Yeah.
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David Corbo
You know, I'm sure there's better solutions, more nuanced ones, more thoughtful ones, but they're all going to be messy.
- [110:35]
Dave Smith
Yeah, well, I think it's going to be messy either way. And. And a lot of this is out of our control. I mean, we're just three guys talking into microphones here. So. Yeah, you know, but we do have some influence, and I'm just going to try and put that these, you know, more nuanced, more, I hope, more thoughtful ideas out there and hope that that reaches people before the propaganda wave comes, because it's already, like, cresting, like, it's already approaching, and I just. I can feel it. I can feel it. And I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.
- [111:06]
Clint Russell
With your platform now, again, I know it's like last month, but with your platform now and the way media works, not in the traditional sense anymore, there still is that old guard of There's a lot of people that listen to it. But your, your platform's not inconsiderable. You can get on Tim Cast, you can get on Dave Smith, you can get on other big shows, maybe even Joe Rogan at some point and say this stuff and cut this stuff off at the knees or at least present this kind of doubt. So like, this is huge what you're talking here and thinking, the ideas that we're thinking through, the comments that will come in after calling us this or that. But I'll read them and I'll see what these people are saying and perhaps I have to change my view or sharpen it or make it more nuanced because it's important, because we're talking to somebody like a Clint Russell or maybe somebody watches this, that it gets spread, it gets spread along and it changes how people think. It's very possible in this day and age.
- [111:51]
Dave Smith
Oh, very. And, and it's, I mean, I know this for a fact because I see Dave, you know, repeating my tweets like maybe, maybe it's just because it's similar thought and he had the same idea. I'm sure that happens sometimes too. But there are other times where I'm definitely inspiring that I see that with Tim Pool all the time. Rogan also follows me. So like these, these things do have a knock on effect. And you know, even if I don't get on Rogan, Dave definitely will. So, you know, he'll, he'll be putting his, his voice on the, the scale, so to speak. And I don't know, it's just a very interesting time. But anyways, guys, I really appreciated it. It ended up being much less contentious than I expected, but I, I thought it was actually very productive, which is rare in the, in the Internet bloodsport debate category. But I guess it wasn't really a debate. Anyways. Tell people where they can follow you.
- [112:41]
David Corbo
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- [112:55]
Dave Smith
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- [113:00]
David Corbo
Dangerous Rtrds Dangerous on Twitter. Go and follow that. And that way that's going to be our catalog on Twitter for all of our episodes.
- [113:08]
Dave Smith
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Clint Russell
Yeah, toplopster.com and also if you want to have. If you want to see a more contentious arguing atmosphere, that's very funny. You can watch Tower Gang. That's where I beat up on. I really beat up on Clint. Here's where I talk to him like like a civilized human being. Thanks, Clint.
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Dave Smith
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- [114:08]
Clint Russell
If you can persuade people that what.
- [114:11]
Dave Smith
They see with their eyes is what there is to see because they'll lack in the face of an explanation that.
- [114:19]
Clint Russell
Portrays the bigger picture of what's happening and they have.