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Confessions of an Illuminati w/ Leo Zagami
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What does the Vatican really know about UFOs, alien disclosure, and the hidden world of secret societies? In this explosive episode of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts David Lee Corbo (The Raven) and TopLobsta sit down with internationally known author and...
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Leo Zagami
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Co-host (Interviewer)
When the last trumpet sounds and the heavens crack. Nebulum despot. Despot that squad. Welcome back ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven that is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. Before we get into today's guest, a little reminder. Patreon.com forward/nephilim death Squad is a great place to be if you want to support the show. You'll get early access to episodes, ad free listening experiences, access to communities of dangerous retards on Twitter, on Discord and on Telegram. And you also have access to that weekly Bible study takes place every Wednesday. Actually just missed the last one. But the the guys over in the community and gals, they're all pulling together and they're going through scripture and it's really fantastic. Also discount codes off of merchandise and top lobster.com where you're going to get access to not only all of the merch that Top Lobster himself designs, but you're also going to find tickets to Bohemian Grove that is on we're going to get that on the thing. Eventually it's going to happen elsewhere. That's on August 8th in Wildwood, Florida and it's a seven hour day. It's going to be filled with a lot of your favorite content creators, all the friends of the show who have been on throughout the show's history. Ed Mabry, Dr. Heather Lynn, Hidden in Plain Sight, Cheney, Paranoid American Donut, Brian of Demon Erasers. I think JT Follows. JC is also going to be there. The guys from Skiba News Network, Laura Baker, the list goes on and on and on. Go and get your tickets for the General Admission Day, August 8 there, and come be a part of the fun. Joining us today is Leo Zagami, and this is going to be a really fun conversation. Leo's research is. I mean, it's kind of at the core of our favorite stuff here on Nephilim Death Squad. But before we get into that, Leo, let's talk about where people can find you and, and what it is that you focus on.
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Leo Zagami
Well, they can find me on Leo Zagami.com with all my latest articles as I'm an investigative journalist as well as an author. And like you said, they focus on topics that are very familiar to you. I actually started 20 years ago in 2006 with my confession of Confessions of an Illuminati, first on the Internet and then later in a series of books that were published all over the world, starting in Japan. And like I said, they focus on my own experience, not only on my research, because up until that year, I was within the fold of what you commonly refer to as the Illuminati. And then after I exposed my prior friendship and collaboration with these people because I arrived to a point of a realization in 2006 that there was no way of reforming things from within. I tried, though, even later when I went back to Italy. But then I was eventually forced to flee the country in 2019 and to relocate here in California.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Incredible. What a roller coaster you've described there, Leo. I mean, the. There's so much that I want to get into with you and, you know, as it pertains to your research especially. We talked a little bit before the show started, of course, you know, the alien disclosure and what a fascinating time it is to be alive and to be bearing witness to this thing as it unfolds. But I have to just. I got to hear at least a little bit. I'm sure it's something you've discussed a lot, but this idea of previously having been in the folds of what people were commonly referring to as the, the Illuminati, I mean, I, you know, I, I don't know where to start on that. I, I think one of the first questions that popped up in my mind
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David (Top Lobster)
was generally we'll hear a lot of like, people are in Freemasonry. Yes, but when you say you're in the Illuminati and you're also in Italy, living in Rome at the time, is this like the belly of the beast? What exactly are we talking about?
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Leo Zagami
Well, we're talking about a country that, as you know, has a very conflictual relation with Freemasonry due to the P2 Lodge scandal. I of the P2 Lodge in Monte Carlo, where in 1999 we founded our own branch of the Illuminati called the Orde Illuminatorum Universalis. And soon after another branch was built and established by the former grandmaster of Luminous Giuliano di Bernardo in Rome, known as the Academy of the Illuminati. I can say that this is real because these are real people. When I do my books, I focus on the facts rather than the speculation. So I give focus photos, documents. And what I try to debunk is that idea that, you know, the Illuminati is simply a myth or a legend. Of course, the Illuminati as Adam Bishop created in its original format, didn't last that long. But then there was a series of influence secret societies that sprang up from that idea that Freemasonry could be melted with something different, something that could actually influence even more the geopolitical scenario. And, and that's why from that point onwards you have a lot of also political secret societies. You see, secret societies can have different aims. And in my Confessions of an Illuminati series, which I completed last year after many years with volume 12, I went directly to the apex of this pyramid there where you have the so called all seeing eye of the situation. And that's where the Jesuits reside, together with the Sabbathian Frankists, who then influence everything that goes under this pyramid, which includes think tanks, branches of Freemasonry, branches of various secret societies, because Freemasonry is of course not a secret society. You have the symbol on every town you go here in the United States. But the kind of Freemasonry that you have here is very different from what we have back in Europe. Back in Europe is connected to the aristocracy, to the royal families. It's a completely different ball game because it's also connected to the knighthoods which are also connected in turn to the church. And my experience with the illuminati started in 1993 when I got inducted into this reality by a family friend, Prince Aliata di Montereale, who was also A Freemason, because most Illuminati are also Freemasons. However, then there is a big difference between real Illuminati and all these fake Nigerian scams that you find online in the last few years. I mean, they even took my name and even threatened my own publisher when I published my first book here in America, saying, we're going to publish it in Nigeria. Now you want $300 or we're going to publish it without the authorization dollars. Okay, so. So that is really the mentality. But for my own experience, of course it was once I started to reveal things, very difficult because I was based in Norway. In 2006, soon after I started my website, which was closed down and then I had to move to another website, the intelligence services threatened me up until the point of being arrested for espionage in 2008. So it wasn't a joke. I mean, I ended up with an accusation of espionage. All my assets frozen for two years. I had to. I was forced to go back to Italy and Because at the time I had been betrayed my. By my then first wife, who of course preferred to, you know, go with the, with the money and with the power rather than staying with somebody who was opposing the system. However, with my current wife, we went to Japan. I signed my first book deal, which then led to a series of book deals around the world. It wasn't easy though, especially in Italy. When I started to publish my books, the Vatican immediately send their secret service to offer me to desist from my intention and. But I went on, I carried on. So anyway, in the end, like I said, I had to eventually flee Italy. And nowadays I'm a naturalized American citizen.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Let me ask you, Leo, do you think that the timing of all of this happening to you and your ability to speak on it, it sounds to me like something that would not have been possible even if this whole timeline was pushed back by 10 years. It seems like we're in an era right now where a lot of things that were previously coveted, secrets are being allowed. And maybe it's not so much that they're being allowed, maybe with the development of the Internet.
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Leo Zagami
And of course it's very different now. When I started 20 years ago, it wasn't very different. Like I said, imagine when I started my first blog, after two months, I had actually the pst, the Norwegian FBI coming to my door, isolating me and my then wife and then threatening me to take the kids. I mean, it wasn't a joke. When I started this, there was a series of threats. I was arrested I was tortured in Italy. They broke down through from my door. My present wife was interrogated with the lights pointed at her more than once like a criminal. So I mean, it's like things have changed now, of course, where we are in a different year in 2026, but it's also true that people like me who have been doing this for 20 years and 20 years ago there was not many people talking about these issues, have noticed that with the over popularization of certain subjects comes also the superficiality and also the tendency from people to not take these matters very seriously, which is not really a good thing. So I continue with my books which become then a depository of real knowledge regarding these matters rather than simply spreading them through the Internet, because the attention span on the Internet is limited. However, we know that the rich want people not to read any longer while they in Silicon Valley threaten their kids with going on the Internet or they even don't give a mobile phone until they are 14 to their own children and they sell them to the world of school for a specific kind of education. We have instead the majority of the population being dumbed down by the AI, which is encouraged even at the university level. So the level of stupidity and superficiality is growing amongst the new generations and this is very frightening. So I always advise people to choose a book rather than to choose the superficiality of simply accepting my book presentation or an article as the final result. Because when I went into this, you know, making this book and I spent of course years of research and then six months for laying the whole thing out, I did it with the help of the kun, which is the Italian Centro Fologico Nazionale, and Roberto Pinotti, who is one of the most eminent ufologists in the planet, who was also even invited in Washington and, and in front of Congress. So I mean, he's a guy who has a lot of previous, you know, also experiences, even direct experiences with these beings, but at the same time he's a serious researcher. In fact, last year he was special guest in the Soul foundation, which is now this new organization that the CAA has created to prepare for disclosure and post disclosure. There is people like Gary Nolan, people like Pete Scottfish, people like Professor Pazulka. These people are all gatekeepers. And so my book is actually about explaining how David Grush is a gatekeeper, how Luis Elizond is a gatekeeper and who are their handlers, and how the whole thing is handled by the Jesuits.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
This has been a huge issue for us because we've been watching the development of this. And, and we've received quite a bit of criticism for our resistance to sort of the Lou Elizondo's of it. All right. I look at these people as whether or not they're gatekeepers. I'd be interested in talking about that. But at the very least, these are people who may be, if I was being gracious, unwitting foolish pawns in this entire thing. They're facilitating a government back.
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Leo Zagami
They're not foolish puns because Louis Elizond is not as foolish. Pond. He's a very calculated guy. He's a military, you know, he's gray fox. He's a guy who knows what, exactly what he's doing. I'm a former military, so I'm a former air force guy from the Italian Air Force. So I, I can tell you that these people are not just there speaking about things in a free way. They are very calibrated. Arizona has admitted that he has security clearance every time he opens his mouth, just as David Crash. So we're not talking people like from the grassroots of logic movement of the 70s or 80s that by the way, we discover in the end we're all infiltrated because there is no grassroots movement in this field. There is always been a interest by the authorities to control the narrative.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
So I, I would agree with that.
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David (Top Lobster)
We, we kind of just scored around it because we had some, we, we just had some like run ins with these people and kind of thought that they were full of. And it, it, it ends up to the point where we just go, okay, hey, you know what? Maybe you don't. But I have my own personal beliefs,
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Leo Zagami
you know, I think that it's not the problem if they're full of or not is that they are giving you truth in droplets, in, in little portions. They are of course, limited in what they can say. I'm not saying also that their intentions are necessarily evil because if you are, you know, connected to a national security clearance of level, you have to simply do your job. But having said that, there is this hunger for truth that I noticed this year. I didn't go to content in the desert, which takes place here in Palm Springs, but I didn't know deliberately because I was exposing these people in my book and I didn't see myself current and going there and face them. So I said to my previous publisher, who was that? Don't bother. The thing is, when I see people like Jacques Vallee, people like Jeremy Corbett, people that like George Knapp, these people have had some, you know, level of compromise in order to achieve their position. Like Jack Valle is beautiful. Like the ultimate, you know, follow just alternative figure that has been there for guys. He is the bigger investor in startups. The guy's a billionaire almost. The guy has made money on reverse engineering all the way. The reverse engineering of the legacy program is actually bringing him cash in his pocket. So it's obvious that these people can only tell you certain things and they obviously eclipse on others. And that's why this book wants to ultimately bring you the real puppet master of it all, which is the Vatican Jesuit astronomers who have been there for hundreds of years leading this sector. The ones who actually brought astronomy to the Chinese, the ones who have created the first observatory almost 500 years ago with their first Collegium Romanum in Rome back in the days and that now are directing one of the biggest observatories in Mount Graham in Arizona. So this is the reality, it's not the speculation. So when I go into this book and I expose these people like Al Putoff. Al Putoff, the guy from the Stargate program who everybody's like revering when he's on the Age of Disclosure. The guy's the biggest scumbag. And you know, he's classifying reality, he's limiting our access to reality. And so I don't have any good words for these people. They are on my blacklist, not even on a gray list.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
So let's talk about that. Because the, the Age of Disclosure was something I had a huge problem with. It was a lot of the same regurgitated things that people in this, this field of research have been familiarized with for a long time. And so in that way it looked as if it was preparing the public with government approved talking points, you know, to say, I'm a naval official, I've been here for 30 years, I've seen these things. I'm an Air Force, you know, all
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Leo Zagami
this, if you think about it, all this came from the 1990s where we started to have this kind of whistleblowers from the academic and military field popping up as the voices of reason in this whole topic.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Yeah, yeah, so.
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David (Top Lobster)
So trust the experts, right?
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Leo Zagami
That's exactly what the experts and trust science. Sounds a little bit like the pandemic.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
That is exactly what we, the impression that we got watching the documentary. But my main concern, like propaganda slop,
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Leo Zagami
they say one finger on that document, which is a real thing. That one of the few things I completely agree with. At one point they admitted that the Vatican knows it all. And that is one of the Rare, honest, I think admissions that was done by a former CA agent in the documentary because the rest of it might be garbage. And of course typical, you know, whistleblower scenario with a few politicians mixed in and the whole thing, you know, trying to admit things but in a very veiled way without really showing anything. But when you have the Legacy program and you have people of course like gru, Farah and Age of Disclosure, they are completely in with, you know, with the narrative. So you can't really blame them if they're doing simply their job. But I have, you have to build like you are doing with your show, a, you know, a critical thinking. And so when the Age of Disclosure says that specific phrase, the Vatican has irrefutable evidence that non human intelligence exists, which is stated by the former CA operative whistleblower John Kiriako. I think. Well, it's, it's that moment that makes us understand who really knows it all. And they tell you, but then they move on. You know, it's like, okay, yes, the Vatican knows it. Let's go to the next subject. What's up everybody? It's Bretzky. And America is turning 250 and I can't think of a better way to
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Leo Zagami
Yeah, you are like. So the Vatican knows it all. Okay, I'm going to tell you what the Vatican knows and what has been knowing for the last 2000 years.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
So throughout all of this, you know, soft disclosure, I mean, I guess it's pretty aggressive at this point. We hear quite a bit about technology. It's still soft, but I mean we're ramping up.
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David (Top Lobster)
It's more aggressive than it previously has been.
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Leo Zagami
That aggressive mixed up with a psyop that is never ending. And with people like Javiloeb being nominated as the new head of the US Government resolved the UAP Mystery Advisory Council. Science advice. I mean, Loeb is another gatekeeper. The guy was recluded when he was only 18 years old in the Israeli Defense Forces elite Topia program. The guy is an asset of the Israeli intelligence. And you put an asset of the Israeli intelligence heading something that is supposed to be from the United States for the United States.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Yeah.
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David (Top Lobster)
So let me, let me ask you Something I don't, I don't want to step on you, David. No, go ahead. Where exactly is the psyop? Because we cover this, it's. I mean it's just almost every day, at least every week they're doing more UFO disclosure. You have Rep. Luna coming out saying this and that. I would love to know about his
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Co-host (Interviewer)
thoughts on Rep. Luna, by the way. Yeah, she's an interesting character.
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David (Top Lobster)
Another guy, Matt Gates, is saying there's an alien breeding program. It's like, okay, cool, we have the Epstein files. What?
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Leo Zagami
I. I address all these things in my book, by the way, and everything you have this discussed, so.
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David (Top Lobster)
Okay, well. Well, perfect. I have to read the book. But if you can give us a brief breakdown. In your opinion, what is the specific science? Because it's laced with truth. I think that's a lot of these things are true, but there is a lie that they want us to believe because they want us to move in a certain direction.
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Leo Zagami
Okay, first of all, the first lie. 79, 80 years of COVID up in reality that is already alive. Because the COVID up starts from 1930 in Italy between the towns of Magenta and Vergati, with the first UFO recovery. The direction that was given by Mussolini to Guillermo Marconi. The actual retrieval UFO that was eventually given to the US authorities by the Pope Pius xii. Intervention with the Marconi. And then just after the war, when they of course lose the war. Hitler and Mussolini could have actually changed the course of the war with that, that first reverse engineering that produced the very early death rate. And Marconi had invented. So that is already, you know, a hint that they are not really giving you the whole. Then there is always this, you know, of course they publish lights, orbs, this and that, but they're not telling you about the reverse engineering program and about the bodies they have, the experiments, you know, when they actually admit that they have these beings in a lab interacting and, and starting to learn our language. And we learn their language, what kind of psychic powers they have at times superiors to us. There is different races, of course. There is demonic, there is the angelic. So it goes beyond the whole Nephilim thing, that's for sure. But there is also the Nephilim thing. Then you know, the Nephilim thing in itself. It's theologically something that the Orthodox interpret in one way, the evangelicals in another. The Catholic tradition is the cathol progressive in one another. Then you have the Orthodox Russian. It becomes then a competing of people who are making presumptions because nobody really knows the Truth, if they haven't experienced it. So it's like, yes, I think the angels have the possibility of meeting with women because they have a sexuality. Then the other big priest with the beer comes and says, no, that is impossible. They can't mate. It will be like meeting, you know, a horse with the donkey and you will make a mule with no offspring. And so then the. And then the debate goes on and on and on. These debates remind me of barely debates of the fathers of the Church. I mean, there were debates that today would be regarded as completely few, you know, futile, I mean, completely demand. I mean, who, who will spend a whole book of a thousand pages talking about the sexuality of angels? That it was something like. Like when I was a kid, like I explained in my book, book, there was a movie in Italy that was a comedy movie, but very well done, about the medieval times, you know. And then there was this sage that these guys were going to, the same guy who was living, and he said, and he says, so are you coming here to debate to the sexuality of the angels? Okay? And then he takes out like a couple of volumes this big and he throws them to them. And I'm like, oh my God. So we are back to that point now when it comes down to the politicians. The politicians are informed on a need to know basis. They are basically puppets in the hands of the system. We have Paulina Luna, who is dishonest from the start about even her own upbringing. When she said, I am a messianic Jew, then the family intervened. No, she's not. Probably her grandfather was a Nazi. And then the whole thing sounds like out of a playbook of Sabbathian Frankists who are trying to hide their real roots. So who. Pauline Luna has of course hinted on the Book of Enoch and suddenly a lot of interest on the Book of Enoch that already Timothy Albertino, of course, has been following for years. I had Timothy Alberino in Rome with me, interviewing even a friend of the late Zacharia Sitchin and making some incredible admission, which I actually bring in this book also. So about the nature of the collaboration between Zacharia Sitchin and the Valley Attractica and Timo the Alberino himself, after I brought him to the Jesuit headquarters, we managed to get them filming there using a nice camoutage. It was all an adventure really, with Timothy in Rome, but then she was. His life was threatened. He went in front of the cameras of. Of the guys, those evangelicals who have that TV channel. I don't remember exactly their name, but he went there and said, that, that during the night they attempted to poison the whole family after he came back from Rome.
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Leo Zagami
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Leo Zagami
Well, you can find this on an old episode.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
I don't know if you know this Leo. We, we, we got into it with him in a big way because we watched your documentary that you had done with him. It was Unsolved Mysteries, the Vatican and, and you know, the UFO deception. And then I watched him start to align himself with Elizondo and, and I started to criticize him and he, he,
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Leo Zagami
you know, basically doesn't return my mails anymore. He, he stopped strangely now he, he sent me a signed copy of Birthright which is otherwise an excellent book. I mean for some reason suddenly in the last five years he has complete, I mean after the last interview we did together, that's when it started.
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David (Top Lobster)
This is my problem. Yeah.
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Leo Zagami
Three or four years ago. And then after he disappeared and he, and suddenly I see him with, with, you know, with the, the, the, the, the, the girl who works with the Ross Scooter, the cm doing all these big shows. Yeah, it's becoming like, like part of the gatekeepers world. So I am a little bit puzzled by that. I'm not saying anything because in my book I say I still hope that, you know, he's not like Jack Valet or these other people. I still see him as a valid researcher.
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David (Top Lobster)
But you know, when we previously earlier in the episode when we said, you know, I don't know what they know. They might not. I'm speaking directly to Tim. I like Timothy. I think he's a good Christian dude. And yeah, I had the same suspicions about five years ago. I said something happened, something changed. And we were online and we're just making this brief overview saying aliens are our demons. It's, it's a bold statement but it's to cause a conversation because we're using Twitter and that caused like the crux of this debate with him, he came after us, the other guys came after us, and we didn't back down. We ended up kind of. We ended up.
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Leo Zagami
Because if you think about it, this position is aligning, aligning with the Jesuit position more than the real mainstream evangelicals or even traditionalist Catholics or certain orthodox is aligning instead with this more materialistic concept.
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David (Top Lobster)
Now, regarding Leo, during, during the debate that we had with him, it was never like a debate on the points because he's, he's a very smart guy, but we're like, we just want to know what happened. And almost specifically referring to your segment
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Co-host (Interviewer)
with him there, specifically your segment, what happened to that guy, because he's concerned that the Vatican is going to do a deceptive alien disclosure. And now he's. He's smoking cigars with Lou Elizondo and, and he's saying that the Age of Disclosure is a fantastic piece.
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David (Top Lobster)
I, I hate bringing this because I, like, I apologize to him recently. I was like, listen, this is done. I don't want to do this anymore. Like, I feel like you haven't seen this, Leo.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
It was a, it was a war, a very public one on this show, on, on Twitter. I had to have a phone call with him after a couple of months of this, and I said, you know, things got lost. Just, there's so much I do respect about him, and I'm also grateful for guys like you and guys like Timothy who have this body of research that enables guys like us to now talk about it today. Yeah. But there is a massive inconsistency here where you are saying the Vatican is one day going to do alien disclosure and it's going to be a deception. And then Fast forward to 2026 and you are smoking cigars with the guy who is doing the disposal, arguing with us.
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Leo Zagami
You know, when he came to Rome, he said, you know, I align with what Chris Putam and Tom Horns wrote in Exo Vaticana, which was rather critical of the Jesuits position and everything. Now, in my book, in the first chapter, I show the different approaches of the various theological approaches of all the various factions. I'm. And I, I personally, even though of course, I've always been saying for decades that there is a demonic nature that needs to be evaluated, I stated these are the positions of the various theological fact, without, of course, being biased, because that will bring, you know, my own idea in it. And instead I wanted to really portray what each of these gentlemen was saying. You know, like the little nuances, even the differences, like, for Example, the Russian Seraphim Rose, the late Seraphim, who had one position. Then you have the president Stephen de Young with another slightly different position. And then you have the various evangelicals and then the Lutherans, slightly different. But then you have the traditional Catholics who are of course differing from the post conciliate one. Because my book explains why the Vatican has taken this leading role to the, you know, to the whole control of a religious narrative that is putting together a one world religion. And I was, you know, I was very, I mean I was familiar with the Timothy's work because he came to Rome because we, you know, we work together on this documentary. We had lunch, dinner together. I thought he, you know, I could trust him 100%. But something weird happened and I have to admit myself now I'm not stating that he's been completely bought out, but I think that for matters of convenience he likes to have that posture which of course will then make him relevant in all these big shows ending up maybe on or organ or whatever. But Leo Zegami, who has been Shadow banned, censored 17 channels removed during the pandemic and have always been ostracized. I mean, in Europe I will have the police knocking on my door for a Facebook post or I will have them stopping me with, in front of my, you know, simply taking the car. And after two minutes they will stop me and say document things, you know, this and that. And then at one point they even broke into my, like I said, into my home and they locked me up. They wanted me to be the crazy guy at one point, you know, but it was very difficult for them because my father was a psychiatrist. He was one of the most, the biggest and most known psychiatrist in Europe. He appeared on one of the list of the most, the biggest intellectuals in 1968 on the Pravda. So I mean, we are talking about somebody who knew about the human mind, who taught me a few things himself. So I grew up, you know, in front of my father, his studies, his research, even in the Paranormal, when in 1980 started also around 1980, a TV show at midnight with a guy called Pietro Cimati, who was a really well known figure, studying and also practicing the paranormal within a spiritist group in Florence, which was very popular at the time. So my experience come from a direct experience with people from my family. My grandfather was a senator. My grandmother from my English side was an intelligence operative. You can find Felicity Mason on Wikipedia. And she was the woman responsible for encrypting the messages between the president of The United States and the, the UK Prime Minister during the Second World War. So a matter of, you know, level of clearance which is above than above. And so in 1982 when I came here to America, I was invited to the first screening of E.T. in New York. I mean and I was still a child so she gave me my first book on Aleister Crowley. I'm not saying that everything was positive that came out of my family background, but eventually that is my experience that I bring into the fold. So when I really made this acquaintance and then became a friendship with Timothy at times we deferred on certain little nuances and theological approaches that he had that were more evangelicals. Of course I come from a Catholic background. I'm a pre conciliar Catholic which means I'm a traditionist that doesn't accept the Second Vatican Council because that is when the alien intervention happens. Husband. And my book has this, this witness from, from 1933 onwards the Vatican got involved because they had to first block the UFO retrieval program from the fascists and Nazis taking over and then of course changing the course of the war. But then soon after the war the Vatican was the one that sent one of the most eminent, the eminent representative James Francis McIntyre to Roswell. The Vatican sent this guy who then became the, the Archbishop of Los Angeles to, with the Eisenhower to meet two times the two different species, allegedly two different species of aliens once while he was alleged, you know, when he was actually here in Palm Springs officially. So all this makes me really come to conclusions about the, the current narrative that of course of complete control and so I'm not trusting anything that comes out of the, of the screen or, or out of the mainstream narrative for this.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Agreed. I, you know Leo, I want to ask you then my main concern. We've heard so much about the technology and all these other things. Things. What about the nature of these beings? Because that's almost entirely absent from the conversation. Especially when it comes to documentaries like Age of Disclosure or whatever the government is going to do.
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I Am much more concerned because if you're looking into testimony of individuals who have encountered these things, it is spiritual, it's religious, and overwhelmingly on the side of, let's say, the grays. There is so much that aligns with the demonic encounter phenomenon. And this has been my issue going forward because so much of this has become about the technology and zero point energy and reverse engineering and think about what it could do for us.
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Leo Zagami
You know, you can obtain this technology, but at what cost?
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Yes, so. So what in your research have you made then of the nature of these things? You mentioned demonic and angelic. How do you. How do we parse these?
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Leo Zagami
You know, it's very easy. You know, the universe reflects the two. You know, the, the binary reality of good and evil and yin and yang. This is reflected all over the universe. So automatically, every race that we have out there in one way or another will be influenced by these two factions. They could actually be free of choice of, you know, free will. Like we allegedly have this free will. Well, if you're a Christian, you believe in that because it's your own will to decide if you want to go towards the abyss or you want to join the heavens. We have been given that. Now we're not sure that all races have been given that choice. There is, though, in regards to the actual discussion regarding the nephilim, a very indicative thing here. Here we had a guy, this guy here, who is now the director of the Specula Vaticana Foundation. Up until last year, he was the director of the Vatican Astronomic sector and the Specula Vatican himself. Now the new responsible guy, the guy who is now responsible, his Father de Sosa, but he is the guy in charge of the foundation. Why this is important because Guy console manual came to prominence in the ufologic world about his book that was written. Would you baptize an extraterrestrial? Yeah. Now, this concept is actually a concept which like I described in my book is much older, is ascribed to his own mentor, Father George Cohen, the guy who eventually forced the opening of the observatory Mount Graham.
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Leo Zagami
And so. And there was an article demonstrating that it was entitled Would you baptize an extraderrecia 30 years ago on the New York Times dedicated to Father. So it's not a novelty, but the thing is in this book, like there is also a preceding book that it wasn't. It was immediately taken of commerce. If you want, I can show it to you. We could do is to. Maybe I can share the. Because this is a book that now if you purchase my Book. You can get the link to this book. Here it is. It's been brought out of circulation. It was published a long time ago. As you can see. It's a official Catholic publication, cts, and it was published in London. And as you can see, it was published with the support of the Catholic. You know, of what are the members of the Catholic Trust Society now. This book is about describing the aliens as savers of mankind. So it was quickly taken out of commerce and eventually instead we know Guy Console Manuel from this other book. However, when Tom Horn and Chris Putin managed to get hold of the, of that other book that we have just showed, they eventually published it on their own website for the people who had bought Exo Vaticana. And so they forced in a way the Vatican to acknowledge the existence of this book. And eventually in 2023, they included this book in a link that you can download from the official Vatican Observatory site. So suddenly they changed after 20 years, their narrative surrounding, almost 20 years, the narrative surrounding this book.
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David (Top Lobster)
But does that tell you, does that tell you about what, what they're trying to do then? Are they, do you assume that they're trying to run with that narrative rather than hide it? Or why do, why do that thing?
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Leo Zagami
Okay, in my book, I explained that the narrative is built out of a long discussion that arised after the direct experience with the retrieval of these UFOs in the 1950s. You, you know, these UFOs even over Washington in 1952, over France and Italy later on. 53, 54. This led to the real birth of the Vatican exopolitics. Because at that point the Vatican also started to increasingly address it under theological perspective. You know, a theological perspective of will be. You know, it sounds crazy, but for the Vatican to become irrelevant.
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Is the problem. And so the first people to discuss this whole thing in the Vatican were saying, well, if this being are not the sons of Adam, maybe if obviously they don't have the original sin. And this discussion, which was actually brought by Father O', Connell, a Redemptorist and published in 1952 on the Times Magazine became a matter of concern for the authorities. Even the Jesuits published an article later with Father Domenico Grass on civil Taca Tolle about it. And so they have to intervene and eventually they will rely on the new theological perspective of Pierre Dellard de Cherdev. Then now people say who the heck is Pierce? Is the guy who. Who basically is the protagonist based. The protagonist of the Exorcist is based on him. He's the guy who inspired 2001 Space Odyssey because he inspired up to see Clark's take on the whole matter. And he's the guy who the Wired acknowledges as the inventor of the Internet with the no sphere. So Pierce then is not just a guy, he's this extraordinary Jesuit who was initially positioned in conflict with the traditionalist Vatican, who the preconcellular Vatican. Okay. Then something happened. Something happened because the Vatican started to know that this reality was real. So how to address it in terms of theology became the first matter of concern. But then later on, when Pope John xxii, who during his period as ambassador of the Vatican had a direct experience in a lodge because he was a freemason of contact with these beings, and later on he will have an encounter of the third kind in July 1961 in the gardens of Castel Gandolfo. Well, at that point then when the Second Vatican Council kick started, it wasn't anymore just a matter of reforming the Catholic Church. It was a matter of reforming all the religions of the world in time for disclos. And so from there on it started the mission of putting together this one world religion in time for disclosure and at the same time dictating the narrative controlling everything, because they rely on the military industrial complex and on the people who have put together the legacy program, even those defense contractors involved. So that is how things have, you know, matured and evolved. And then you have of course, the gatekeeper of gatekeepers, Daniel Shin, Danny Shin. He is the legal representative of Luis Elizondo. He's the legal representative of Stephen Greer. He's the guy who used to represent for 10 years the headquarters of the Jesuits and legal matters. He was himself a former Jesuit novitiate and he admitted this year a country in the desert. If you go on the video that is put there on one of the few public videos, he admits that not only he has been involved with the UFO grassroots movements from the very beginning, which means beginning, which means the Jesuits were involved, but also when asked about how the currently the Vatican is operating this disclosure, he Said, well, well, Pope Leo XIV has invited me to Castel Gandolfo. So he admitted it. Now, if the aim of Timothy Alberin is to get invited by Pope Leo xiv, he's, let's say, on a good path.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
I, I look at it like you nailed it earlier. I think much more his, his drive currently is to get on the Joe Rogan experience. Because I, I look at Joe Rogan as if he's sort of the modern day Laurel Canyon and is a cultural manufacturing machine that podcast is. And I did recognize that Timothy was posturing himself to be one of the talking heads as we move forward in disclosure and that it would be advantageous for him to get on Rogan's. And he had even made a few mentions here and there where it became obvious to me and he's, he's doing a fantastic job of it. I mean, like you said earlier, you see him everywhere right now on all the major podcasts. And so the timing of our dispute was not really to his advantage because we, we deal heavily in comedy. We made a lot of fun of him on these platforms, getting ready for his media tour and, and then sure enough, right after the smoke kind of settled with our, you know, back and forth, all of a sudden he starts popping up on all these major things.
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David (Top Lobster)
I don't know if from, from my assumption, like I said, and I don't like to even bring this up, but like, it seemed like he was ready to take off and do a thing and we were, for whatever reason, the sacrificial cow that he picked, but the cow had teeth. I guess he didn't assume that it was going to be, you know, well, bad for him.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
What it was was the issue that I was having was he was saying that instead of looking at the expression aliens are demons, which is inherently reduction, it is far more complex than that.
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Leo Zagami
Yeah, I mean, that is far more complex. I, I agree with that point. It's far more complex. But the fact that you have a posture and you say simply the aliens are demons shouldn't be regarded as, you know, a matter of, of interrupting your own friendship with a person. Because from the moment I stated that, then Timothy absolutely ignored my emails and, and went another way and I was really puzzled by the whole thing because, yes, we can discuss there is many races, many realities, interdimensional, extra dimensional, extraterrestrial, some can be interdimensional exodus at the same time and all that. But you, you know, when you have a friendship and you have met in person, that's a Different thing. You know, I kind of like I'm from Rome, I'm not from, you know, another country where you might have that kind of usage. I mean for us, friendship is a serious matter. If we have, have, you know, had food on a table, you know, at dinner, it's, it's not the last dinner of Jesus Christ, but it's still a very important element of our, you know, social, let's say interaction. And so it surprises me that, you know, but it's not the first time I've seen this kind of attitude in people that have made a choice. I remember I was in the music business, I was a record producer and I saw many times people, people who, from one day or another, you know, they want, they might be, you know, destitute and then they become number one in the charts and they don't even say hello to you anymore or answer your phone calls because they feel themselves as like this big shot. Well, that is an ego problem. But I think with Timothy there is something else going on.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Well, it seems like we're in this crunch time, almost zero hour. I don't know how else to express it but things are moving at a, at a exponential pace and I feel as though actually people are galvanizing to whatever side they're, they're going to galvanize to because it feels as though some, you know, large event is going to happen. Hey everybody.
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I believe we discussed with Tim this idea that there is built within this narrative. Right. You have the idea of the Galactic Federation of light which in my estimation is some sort of a psychological operation.
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David (Top Lobster)
I'll tell you. Can I tell you really quickly what it is? I'll pull this up. Sure. Here's a tweet from Annapolina Luna.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Oh my goodness. There it is.
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Bluff
Yeah.
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Leo Zagami
Influencer disclos are coming. What is influen? Who is.
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David (Top Lobster)
I'm sorry, how gay is this?
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Co-host (Interviewer)
It is, it is.
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David (Top Lobster)
They made it.
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Leo Zagami
Sounds like Lord of the Rings kind of.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Yeah.
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Graphics.
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Leo Zagami
I mean that's what they're doing.
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David (Top Lobster)
What do You. But what are you really doing? What? Like, look at how they're doing it. They're doing it in the worst, in the most cringe possible way, something that could be really cool.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
It is the same thing that happened when they gave those influencers on one
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Leo Zagami
side of the garment. You have threatened Trump trolling everybody with aliens in chains, Nordics in front of the wire and all this BS and, and which really. And then of course, even using the official website, talking about the illegal aliens compared. I mean, that the whole thing is really despicable because if we want to be serious about this topic, you're not there laughing it off or making jokes about it. Yeah, you are doing that. If you want to cover your friends in the military industrial complex, of course, Rocket Martin and everybody else, Palantir. And that now is of course using reverse engineering and technology. Yes, of course, you. You are compromised. Trump is compromised. He has made a lot of promises. He never maintained one. And that is honestly disappointing for everybody who has voted him, including myself. It was the first time I was actually voting here in America, so very disappointing. And I even gave him a hand for the Coachella Valley event. So it's like, like my error, but the error of many Americans who thought that, you know, a billionaire could be different from his political pals in Washington. In reality, they're all the same swamp and they all want to, you know, just take advantage of when. When they finally sit in a position of power. Now, from my own personal experience, my grandfather was a senator and I remember he did a lot for the city of Messina after the earthquake that was still, you know, felt decades after and people didn't have a home. The earthquake on Messina was one of the worst events that could ever happen. It destroyed the whole city. And he made an effort to always help people meet them once a week. He used to have a bar in Messina where he used to meet the people who go and elect him. And he really sacrificed himself to a level in which at the end of his career, he would be poisoned and take out of office thanks to trickery and betrayal. And eventually he died in front, you know, when, when he crashed. If he was a tall man, taller than me, he was 195, 192, but he was very tall. So he fall in front of me because they poisoned with arsenic. His spine crashed. So the, the politics is a dirty game. You can compromise. You can accept these compromises and go forward. You can then not accept them and be eliminated. And of course the current government is compromised. So we can't expect a disclosure that is genuine and honest in any way.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
That's what they're doing now. So, you know, the reason you would do it to politicians is because of the influence that they carry. That, that terminology, influencers, which is kind of a. I don't enjoy it. It's a, it's a crappy word. But right now, average individuals who are authors or, or documentarians or even people like us with, with microphones and podcasts, we have a certain amount of cultural influence that I wonder how much individuals that maybe you wouldn't previously have thought are now susceptible to those same tactics. I mean, we're talking about Albarino and whatever he may have gone through that changed his mind. I don't think that's out of the realm of possibilities at all.
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Leo Zagami
This year, this year we had a whole bunch of panels of people who were all a bunch of gatekeepers here at the content in the desert, from Bassett to, to, to everybody else that, who was there, you know, and, and, and, and they have taken over the scene. So now they are the ones that tell you, yes, we have this, we have a body over now. We have a body of this, we have a reverse engineer. This we have. And I mean Gary Nolan, who goes there and pretends he is like Gary Nolan is the biggest gatekeeper. And, and, and anything that comes out of the Stanford University of Stanford Institute Institute should always be analyzed with a sense of criticism. Yeah. In my book I also reveal how you have China, Russia and America competing on that. Competing when they were competing on remote viewing, because all of these countries are remote view. And, and at one point 10 years ago, they were again got involved with the head of the Russian remote viewers, which is this gentleman, Lieutenant Colonel Sarah. This is during his time. And this next to him is the guy who collaborated with my book, Roberto Pinotti. And they actually offered Pinotti, who went there if he wanted to participate to the remote viewing program and he refused. And then at that point he broke with the Academy of the Illuminati. Because what happened was this. I am of course still in contact with people that I've known my whole life. So at one point I was in the mountains in north of Italy one day with my wife doing a tracking. And of. Of course in a situation when you do tracking that is not really ideal because you're climbing on top of mountain. And at one point I received a phone call and it was the vice president of the Academy say, can you introduce me to Roberto Pinotti? I know he's your Old friend. And I said, okay, no problem. I didn't know what it was about. But soon after they created a website for him. They got him involved in this whole disclosure organization that they wanted to set up, which is becoming the Bilderberg of Ufology. And there was John Podesta involved. There was a lot of important people. Miguel Podesta, actually, in the summer of 2016, while he was chairman of the Hillary campaign, flown to Rome to meet with Pier Giorgio Bassi. And Pier Giorgio Bassi is the guy who takes care of disclosure in the Vatican. In fact, I show in this book a picture of him and Cardinal Parolin, who is the Vatican Secretary of State, who is actually currently apparently in a state of panic about the whole disclosure thing. This is actually the one that you see holding that, that is Freemason and then Vice President of the Academy of Illuminati. And the guy you see there is Cardinal Pietro Parolin, who is the most important and relevant figure in the Vatican after the Pope or the Secretary of State. And. And apparently, you know, they are all involved and they created this organization for the Internet, International Organization for the Destinies of the World, which was headed by Vladimir Putin in Moscow. And then when this whole Ukraine thing erupted, they had to put everything on hold. But the offer that they gave to Roberto Pinotti, he refused it because he, like me, was a military once upon a time, served with nat and say what I'm going to do, I'm going to go in a Russian remote viewing program. They're going to brainwash me first or they're going to maybe, you know, plant things in my mind. I don't want to have anything to do with that. You know, I also had to do, like I explained in my book, I also related some information of a prior encounter I had to the gru, which is the military intelligence in Russia. Now, of course, that was done simply on a matter of mutual interest and concern over a topic. I wasn't revealing any state of, say, state secret, you know, but of course people will then say, zegami, are you yourself a gatekeeper? No, because I'm still alive. Because I actually have done a lot of sacrifices in my life, starting from the sacrifice I did almost 20 years ago when I had to give up my only son son and never saw again. And now he's been brought up by a guy into the world who is the head of the Muslim section of the World Economic Forum. So I mean, just to give you an idea of what I have to renounce to. I was prisoned I was tortured. And. And so this is, you know, for me, a very personal matter. It's not just a intellectual matter. So when Timothy came to Rome, I introduced him to Maria Reality. And I showed him. And he got a little bit scared when things started to become so, you know, threatening even for himself. So I wonder if then, you know, you take a more tranquil posture, a more convenient posture once you are threatened. I didn't. I renounced. You know, I actually lifted my hands and this is a signal that the Freemasons use in front of the judge in Norway in the same room where Anders Brevik was judged. And I said, well, you can bring up my son. I'm not gonna compromise. And you can, you know, they wanted to use my son as a blackmail to silence me. I said, there's no way you're gonna silence me. Keep my son, bring him up, do whatever you want. I'm gonna continue with my mission. It's a mission that comes with a cost. It's not just a mission that. That's why when people. Ah, Zagami is a gay. No, Zagami is somebody who has. Has addressed the cost, you know, before, you know, moving forward in my life, I had to pay the consequences of my disclosure actions.
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David (Top Lobster)
When they take your son, like, what is that? They just. They take custody of him from you
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Leo Zagami
mother, basically, then ended up marrying with this guy from the World Economic Forum. She was part of an organization which is headed by a guy called Fetula Gulen, which lives in Pennsylvania, protected by 50/50 Turkish operatives. He's. He used to work with the CIA. People know that Fethullah Gulen movement is one of the most powerful religious Islamic movements they are in the world. And eventually she had to leave Turkey during 2016 when there was that attempted coup de tower Dogan by her dog, by Fetulla Gulen. That didn't work out. And so they had to go back to Norway. Thanks.
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Bluff
Go.
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Leo Zagami
But I was never able to contact him again or have any contact with him. They forbid me from doing that.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Still to this day.
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Leo Zagami
Still to this day.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Wow.
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Leo Zagami
And he's 20 years old, so I don't know. I don't know if they're holding a gun on his head or it's just simply that he's been probably brainwashed.
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David (Top Lobster)
Wow.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Wow, wow, wow.
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Leo Zagami
I mean, you are actually the head of a section of the World Economic Forum working with Klaus Schwab, but you are a pretty powerful individual. So, I mean, in. And I explained that in volume 10 of my confessions, which are dedicated to the Islamic secret societies and the reality of the tunnel conflict in the Middle East.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Well, I mean, if. If they threatened his family, let's say Timothy, which I'm very empathetic to, and maybe that speaks to the magnitude of the endeavors. He didn't realize how much was on the line, you know, somebody like you.
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Leo Zagami
Yeah, I think that actually, you see. See, when I saw a recent interview, you know, they asked him, when did you start this whole adventure? And he said, 10 years ago. 11 years ago. Well, in reality, that was the time when he was in Rome and he actually did this first documentary. No, it coincides. And at the time he was maybe more idealistic. He was a young individual and, you know, he was daring.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
He.
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Leo Zagami
Then he went to Peru. He did all kinds of research and things. And, you know, I thought, you know, this guy is doing quite well. But when those threats arise, the. When he went back to America, what happened with this strange, you know, threat to his family and stuff and his fear for his life and the like. Then things got a little bit weird.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Yeah, I. I mean, yeah, that'll. That'll shake any man, right? I mean, that's the. And that's.
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Leo Zagami
It's a choice, you know, it's a choice. I had to give up something. I know that it's not an easy thing. It's not an easy thing to give up your own son. I mean, it's the most hard thing you can. You. You know, and it kind of like I tried the first couple of years, I will have nightmares every day about the. When they arrested me with. Because I was arrested. I was arrested by the. The Norwegian PST after locked in a threat. And even when I was on my way to the child custody thing, they actually used that to arrest me and then put on me an accusation of espionage and threatened me while I'm actually attacking. So then at that point I said, yeah, do whatever you want, guys. I'm just gonna go back to Italy and screw yourself. You know, I mean, I'm not really here to. To, To.
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David (Top Lobster)
To.
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Leo Zagami
To sacrifice my mission. My mission is very important because as you will learn from the end of this book, is a mission that starts in 1993 when I was both initiated by Prince Aliata. But I also had my own encounter of the third kind, which completely changed my life after.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Hey, everybody.
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Can we talk about that encounter?
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Leo Zagami
Yeah, I will not disclose the whole thing because of course I want to spoil it, you know, it's a little bit, but I can summarize. It was an encounter with a probe from mothership which was located on top of the Vatican with other ships that apparently are constantly located on top of the Vatican because there are 52 miles of reserve, 53 miles of research to attend with the all of the body and apostolic archive and apostolic library which is another 23 miles. So that is their ideal Internet. It's like their own Internet, you know, like they want to grasp for the knowledge of mankind. But in any case, this orb of a blue, blue orb had a conscience, a non human intelligence conscience. So it was a also a very shocking experience because at the time I was practicing the magic of Abraham the Mage. I was somebody who was deep into a cult. I never had any ufologic aspiration or any interest towards ufology. It was like a subject, yes, of interest, maybe the movie, maybe when you are a kid you can have some interest about things. But it wasn't like a priority in my life to study ufology or to have an interest towards the subject. But that encounter changed my life because it was an encounter that then channeled, transmitted, downloaded, as they say these days. Now you download the stuff from that encounter and that stuff was then classified by the Italian military. Intelligence sees me and this is the first time in my book that I disclose some of the subjects that were discussed and the interlocutors which they claim they be to be Nomos so to be actually from that same star system that then it was narrated by the Dogon. And thus next year starts the seven years ritual in alignment with Sirius, which apparently now will be in alignment with the takeover of the planet by the grid that they have put together. So, so the experience I have, it was a direct experience. It was done in a specific place which is also very interesting in the story which I narrate. But I didn't, you know, expect that to happen because I was actually doing a ritual to encounter my holy guardian angel because that's what the magic of Abraham is. It's a six month ritual that people like Aleister Crowley know did thanks to the his mentor McGregor Mattress, who was the guy who first translated it into English.
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David (Top Lobster)
What was the name of your angel that you were trying to encounter?
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Leo Zagami
Well, it was my personal holy guardian angel. Eventually, you know, I. I came into contact with something that was non human intelligence of course and then it signed himself as this. No, I didn't know anything about this normals or anything about this old Dogon thing and. But in this book then I explain how I then came to. Because at the time there was no Internet like we have today. You just go and self and see what is this or what is that. And it all led to a series of very interesting events that then I had to leave Italy and then I lived in London for a few years. In London I established myself as the director of the AOLA Lucis Caiostro, which is part of. Was part of the fraternity Rosa Crucian Antigua of Arnold Krumheller. I was of course regularized into the United Genealogy of England. I became also part of the team to investigate certain things for the Rosicrucian in Anglia. So I was a Rosicrucian and that is another element of interest in my book because the Pope who had this alleged encounter of the third kind was a Rosicrucian, but also J. Allen Enoch or Jacques Ballet claim Rosicrucian links and very much are into that Rosicrucian posture, which is very important to understand that this kind of context existed for a long time. And so the Rosicrucians themselves were also very acquainted with this kind of entities, though you know, you can describe them in various ways.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
So. All right, I want to move on to a question that we don't have you for too much longer and, and I find it fascinating you've been looking at this phenomenon for so long and now that we're sitting.
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Leo Zagami
Well, to tell you the truth also it's the first. You know, when I wrote my confession Serious I disclosed only part of that encounter in volume three, the esoteric part. I never disclosed this other part which was previously classified by the seismic because. Because I had just came out of the Air force and when I had this encounter and I channeled 44 pages of material which I could hardly understand what it meant. There was very complex material in it. I simply called my friend from the military intelligence guy who was actually working as a security detail of an important politician who had dealt with the UFO phenomenon Julian Riotti and who himself was connected to the Vatican. Then the. They classified this whole information after verifying it and then they gave me also the passport so I could leave Italy, because at the time I had some problems. So it was an experience that I never really made public up until now because I didn't want it to. And even in this book, I left it right at the end as almost a side note to not distract from the rest of the book. Then you have at the very end an interview with Roberto Pinotti, an exclusive interview with him also. So before that they have my own experience, which I, I hope you will read and maybe you will have some more questions.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Maybe that, that experience, did it change in any way your understanding of the nature of the phenomenon?
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Leo Zagami
Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, I, like I said, my background was occult. I didn't have anything to do with this. When, when, when I saw that this phenomenon have the. A military structure, a military setup of a squadron communicating their serial number and things to me. And I was like, what is this? It wasn't like, you know, when you are evoking something, you are evoking an entity and you are evoking or invoking something, you are invoking something that is, yes, non human intelligence. But this was different. This was a military non human intelligence who had that military kind of way of transmitting things and of acting, which I immediately recognized because I just came out of the military, you know, So I was like, wow, this is familiar. But it also made it for me, paradoxically, like I say in my book, it actually made the whole thing better for me because it was no longer, you know, you were not evoking, you know, one of the speakers, you know, lead legionnaires of Satan, you know, Belzebu, Lucifer or whatever, Lady Attan or you were there, you know, contacting some being. These were beings that were manifesting, you know, that manifested in front of me. And they were very current about everything, very linear about everything. And I could understand also that their way of operating was not occult. It was pretty much technological. And so it opened me really a complete new idea of how should I approach the occult. Because at that point the occult was like simply an insert point for me for something else. It was really like I was aiming from that point onwards to do something pioneeristic for science. I didn't feel I was anymore, you know, dealing with the occult out.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
What year was this?
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Leo Zagami
1993.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
And since then, have you had any meaningful interactions with, I suppose, that side
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Leo Zagami
of the veil that was the main interaction, face to face, which frozen me. I mean, it was just like an experience out of this world, of course. And it was, and it's been a very scary Experience also for somebody. I mean, I didn't, thank God Job, you know, meet a gray. But when you have a big orb of light surrounded by a bluish light materializing in your living room, that is actually why today a lot of people are critical about. And even myself, you know, I don't like this UAP terminology. Uap, but in reality it makes sense because you can't materialize a UFO inside your living room. But UAP phenomenon, yes. An orb, yes. And so when I started to see lately with this latest bunch of. Of UFO disclosure, the discussion around the orbs and orbs that were guided by a mothership. And then I was like, oh, I already wrote this in my book. This is like, you know, connects perfectly with what I wrote. So I think that there is of course the possibility that these beings could have manipulated my mind or could have actually inserted some negative elements. But from what happened in the years after my rapid rise in certain secret societies, the fact that immediately, you know, I mean, in the Memphis and miserable, we even have a serious degree dedicated to Sirius. And these beings were claiming they were from the star system. That of course was connected to serious A, serious B, and they even claimed serious C. So this, this discussion that of course Carl Sagan, you know, was the biggest gatekeeper of them all, was the guy who had the courage to criticize one thing while he was then believing another. And, and he was absolutely critical of the whole doggone mystery. But from my own direct experience, this was real thing. It wasn't a joke.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Have you seen this recent revelation about Moro Biglino, who was a translator?
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Leo Zagami
Sure, I. I talk, I know Mauro. I did conferences with him in Italy. I did a lot of work with him because he's also Freemason, by the way. He never says that, but he is. Mauro also worked with Roberto Pinot. I talk about him in my, in my book due to his interpretation, an orthodox interpretation of the scriptures. I remember the one point I had of course my own political organization in Italy that also, you know, we were trying to get this whole matter like you are doing now in the U. You know, in the UFO disclosure circuit here in the United States with the government and now people going on capital here in a small way. We tried in Italy. We did our first law, saw a proposal with Giuseppe, I think Barbado in December 2012, which. But then that led to threats to both the politicians involved, who were my friends. And after Bino came into the fold supporting us also he received some bullets like in. In an envelope actual Bullets. Yeah, yeah. So I remember he was. One day he came to us in Rome and it was me and Giuseppe, I think, me and this politician receiving him. And he said, guys, I received this thing in the, you know, the post. What should I do? You know, I said, well, you should go to the police. But the thing is that probably the people sending you, this is the military intelligence, so it's not like you're going to find probably a lot of help from that, that side. So Mauro, though, then the problem was he didn't want to, you know, publicly disclose his Masonic. You know, we were both in the same. We were both in the same publishing company that first published my Confessions of an Illuminati Uneditori back then. And we were the biggest names in this publishing company. Of course, my book had become quickly a bestseller when it was. Was published in Italy, and his books, of course, were bestsellers already back then. But then we entered in a conflict politically with the publishing company that was obviously supporting this five star movement or whatever, you know, and so I said, no, I don't want to have anything to do with them. And I was like, you know, give me my money, liquidate me and I'm going to move on. Which I did. Instead, he wanted to stay there. And eventually he ended up being frauded or of hundreds of thousands of euros they never got from this company now. And so I, I didn't, you know, then he also influenced this movie that was supposed to be made, that actually was made, but never came out with very big names, names like Gerard, the Star Trek guy, what's his name? The guy who went with the blue origin.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Oh, the guy that went with blue origin from Star Trek. Yeah, yeah, I know who you're talking.
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Leo Zagami
You know, the guy who did the first Star Trek, he was involved with this movie. There were other actors who I knew who were involved with this movie who actually worked also with Oliver. Yes, yes, yes. And there were also other actors and this movie was based on B.E. they did it. You spend millions, apparently they spent something like seven or eight million dollars to produce this movie. It's not a big amount of money by today's standards, 8 million euros. But the movie never came out. We don't know. I mean, the actual film director of the movie never discussed anymore this whole film thing. And when I pointed out on this whole thing, actually a few years back when I got here to America and one of my shows, I started to, you know, focus on that. I started to receive phone calls from some of the actors from Hollywood saying I don't, but I don't know, something strange happened there.
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David (Top Lobster)
Interesting.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
I wonder what happened there. Well, I want to ask you as we, as we come up towards the end of this, do you have any, you're so close to this situation. Do you have any predictions as to how you think this is going to play out? Because it's very clear they are doing something. We have dates said supposedly July. The Trump administration is going to do something. Do you have any ideas as to what form if we do get disclosure,
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Leo Zagami
Well, you see the difference, for example, in the way Guy Console Mano in this book talks about the Nephilim, but it talks about Genesis 6. But in both of his books he never talks about the Book of Enoch. You know that there is a big difference on the way the Book of Innocent perceives these beings and in Genesis 6. So it's like they don't want to go where there is a threatening, you know, posture. Or, or for example, what happened a month ago with Monsignor Rossetti, a former intelligence officer who suddenly in the Archdiocese of Washington D.C. after 19 years of being an exorcist, got kicked out because he said that the, the, the aliens were demons and but we don't have any dogma on that. Why did the Vatican do that? What is the, the justification for it? Absolutely no justification is given. Even so, that means that they claim they already know they are not demonic and what gives them that certainty. So here we are really in front of a Vatican that currently, like I stated just earlier regarding Cardinal Parolin is very scared of how things are going to develop in this disclosure. So they are really with Pope Leo xiv. On the contrary of Pope Francis that was, you know, even, even, you know, hypothesizing or if the Martians climb down, I'm gonna bless all that kind of BS with the popular the 14th. He has ordered everybody silence, complete silence on the topic, everybody. No more discussions. Guy Console Mano even went on, on the air and said some people took Advantage of what they said. And I want to discuss this topic any longer. So it's like censorship and. But it's not really censorship. It's like just preparing for disclosure means that you cannot say anything in the meantime. But then we see that the current Pope, like I explained in my book, has moved to Castel Gandolfo after the previous Pope had transformed Castel Gandolfo in a museum. And that place is the place that is connected worldwide with all the observatories of the world. And of course, Mount Graham. That is the headquarters also of the Vatican Jesuit astronomer commerce, where the Pope is spending more time than he's spending in the Vatican. So why is he doing that? Is he preparing for another landing? Because that is the gardens where the UFO landed and spoke with 20 minutes with Pope John XXIII. Is he preparing for disclosure like Danny Sheehan said this year, a country in the desert, that he was invited to Castel Gandolfo. So, I mean, there is something big about to, you know, know, be announced. But all this paranoia of these evangelics or these other religious denominations that are facing uncertainty, the Vatican doesn't have that because they have been preparing since the 1950s on having their. I mean, it might be BS and might be completely false, but they are ready for it.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Right?
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Leo Zagami
So they are in a state of.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
It's.
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David (Top Lobster)
It's not necessarily like the other denominations that are worrying. It's more like Spielberg and the people who are in the know saying that those denominations that Christianity should be. Should be worried, should be worried because whatever is coming will destabilize.
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Leo Zagami
I'll tell you one thing. Spielberg gave his screenplay to David Cop. He's a Catholic Jesuit agent. And the film is in 3. Is filled with Catholic elements. The former nun is one of the protagonists. The nuns and monastery even. Even talking about the aliens at one point regurgitating something that was originally said by Saint Padre Pio regarding the fact that they are ready to embrace the extraterrestrial. So their position, which has always been the position I have put here in this. This is the front cover of the Observatory Romano, which is a official newspaper of the Vatican. And in that article it says extraterrestrial. The extraterrestrial is my brother. So here we. We have it more clear.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
The extraterrestrial is my brother. Is that. That's what it says?
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Leo Zagami
Yeah. And that is the official newspaper of the Vatican. And in my book, I explained the whole history of how they embrace and why they embrace, embracing. So it will finally make you understand who is in charge of this disclosure and why the Vatican is heading the whole thing in the wrong way.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
It's fascinating right now. You know, the Vatican has been such a big player in this for so long, maybe the key player. And that. You're right, they are shockingly silent. I mean, there are these things that are coming out that are fascinating to look at, but for the most part, very quiet. From a, From. From a previous institution that said they would baptize them. You know, it's interesting you think that they would be talking quite a bit right now. And while that's happening, the world is looking at the Jews in Israel, which is like, you know, there's a lot of issues going on there with that situation. What in the world is that?
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Leo Zagami
That is allegedly something that was found in the 90s in the Vatican archives. Archives inside the. Under the pavement meant.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Fascinating. Fascinating. I think we're experiencing something right now where the. The greater. I don't know what you would call it. Conspiracy, community, truth or community. All of those words are pretty distasteful. But they're looking at one thing while something else is about to happen.
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Leo Zagami
Yeah, no, I mean, you know when they are telling you look at the light in the skies, but don't look at the actual computer that is driving your life and at the alien you have in your pocket because you have the AI fruit of reverse engineering which is guiding your life, they are telling you, look there, don't look here. And they are taking, you know, while they're closing the grid, their plan is very clear. By 2030, they will close the grid. Then they will announce, of course there is this alien, this other alien, but at that point you can do whatever you want because they gonna simply call a robot drone come to your door, and you will be arrested, Microsoft, and silence forever. And your Internet will no longer be available. So I mean, it's like, you know, we have the credit score system already in China, which is connected to the way you think about certain things. Well, the same thing will apply here to the United States in a few years. Those aliens are demons. Okay, stop that guy. Closes the Internet channel and that's it. Let's move on.
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David (Top Lobster)
Where do you put this? Where do you put this? Against biblical prophecy, which I'm sure that you're familiar with, like the Book of Revelation kind of stuff. Stuff. Because as this plays out, yeah, sounds a lot like biblical prophecy, but seems like the powers that be are aiming to put push this in one direction. And then the Bible says that it goes in a completely different direction. What would your prediction be?
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Leo Zagami
Because I think that yes, we are not alone, but also regarding those different races, demonic, angelic, more structured towards us, you know, embracing us as being of this universe. Others that want to actually limit us, dumb us down because they're afraid that when we become finally space travelers, we have this potential that could really jeopardize them. We have a mind that if really was fully operative, will jeopardize a lot of this less developed these races that have given up even on creativity. Because imagine this, you know, we have the AI now and it's dumbing down people and it's not even starting adapted in a million years from now. How will Lariss react to things when we no longer able to even think with our own brains? And no, yes, we might be advanced. We might have all kinds of technology like these alien beings often have, but we are not creative any longer. And that is a big problem. Yeah, you know, so, so they come here still because they need our creativity. They need, you know, even when we reverse engineer, we put some element of that creativity within it that is not alien, but is human. So that is the problem here. They will not reveal us the whole truth because of the locking Martins of the situation, because of the usual excuse of the, you know, national security here, national security there. But we as human beings inevitably will be eventually able to. Able to know the truth because the advances in technology make it impossible to hide this reality much longer. And they know that the disclosure day narrative of Spielberg that brings the disclosure day, you know, on TV is already something of the past. Because I mean, who cares about the TV station in Kansas City, you know, because the point is to actually, you know, know, put out this truth any way you can. And today you could do it simply through the Internet without you know, considering even going to one of these mainstream newspapers that or. Or news services which are now being, you know, they're so dated that they are losing, you know, even relevance in the whole discourse. So know that we are in front of that kind of thing. And that's why they're accelerating as at least the disclosure in a soft way. And they're giving us these hints that yes, they exist, yes, this, this, but they're not gonna tell us, you know, we are. Because the moment they admit the reverse engineering, then we will have a lot of questions. Yeah, okay, universe engineer this thing. And what tells you that they actually. Because the biggest thing that I reveal also here is the scientists like Gary Nolan and others, they don't call them UFO crashes They call them gifts. Why do they call them gifts? They are Trojan horses. And the reality soon is about to the great close.
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Leo Zagami
And then at that point, once we don't have that level of reaction that could jeopardize their intention. You know, that's why they're so scared. That's why Peter th. That's why they are building the palantir control all over us in every single state of the planet. This big brother that is overly obsessed with control. It is overly obsessed with control because the moment in which the disclosure is finally revealed, there would be problems. Now in my book, in chapter four I revealed the service that were conducted, you know, in the 90s. You have the Alexander religious service, Serbia. It was conducted though by who? By John B. Alexander and by his wife, the abductiv Victoria Alexander. You know who these people are? Alexander, the guy from the man of set of Goats, one of the guys from Project Stargate. Oh, Colonel Alexander. His wife did the Serbi. And we should, you know the service said that there will be no problem because the Americans are, you know, good enough to take that revelation with the. No, they went into the specific of every single religious denomination. Then in 2008 Reverend Peters from the Lutheran American Church did another survey. It's called the Peter Survey and same kind of result officially but then non officially the same people and their friends are claiming there will be a great danger for them especially I think once the truth is revealed. So yeah, the service now are actually used by the Jesuits. A month ago when Guy Consolmano did a video about disclosure, they are still in speech. Gilbert he referred to the Peter survey of 2008 and said oh well the Serbia states that in the end people can take this revelation. There will be no problem from the religious. You know the thing though is that. And they all admit that, that once the disclosure is in effect, people will not go to their political leaders, they will go to their religious leaders. That's why this book is so
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David (Top Lobster)
excellent. Man, man, I wanna.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
I gotta ask the. We're Bringing in for a close. Leo and I have to ask you. This is a question that we ask everybody. It always actually yields. It's a simple question, yields fascinating responses given how long you've been doing this, given where we are now, all the things that you've been through, all of the work and the time that you've dedicated to this topic. Are you having fun?
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Leo Zagami
I'm free. Free of doing my work, which is, for me, fun in the sense that when I was in Europe, I had. I was. You know, currently I'm free of writing. I'm protected by the First Amendment, I'm now an American citizen. And I'm also, you know, I can have. With the Second Amendment, I can carry myself again and not have any problem in Europe, I didn't have these freedoms. And so I'm currently happy because I'm free of doing my work. I don't have the limitations I had back in Europe, the persecution and. And that makes me, of course, happy. You know, I mean, when you are locked up, tortured, and, you know, literally threaten left, right and center, I mean, and you find yourself, yourself in America, in a place, you know, in America, you can really appreciate the real freedom if you are not American. I guess when you are American, you are born in it. And so you don't really get to appreciate. I appreciate it because I saw what it means to not have that freedom. In Italy, they think they have freedom, but there is a series of laws that have been kept since the fascist times. If even after the war, you can get arrested for simply writing an article that goes against a politician or the Vatican, you can get literally arrested for writing a book in Italy. Imagine that. It's like, you know, during the pandemic, fortunately, I was here in California. I was watching people that in the center of Rome were said that they had to walk in this way rather than that way by the police, not driving their car, but literally walking in a direction rather than another. Or when they went out of the house, they had to ride to where they were going, going. This kind of things. North Korea, I was like. And I was like saying to the Italians, you're insane. This level of control is insane. You should overthrow your government tomorrow morning. Nothing passive. And now that the whole pandemic is almost forgotten, and when, you know, Tulsi Gabbard comes on her last day and says, well, Fouchi is involved. Deep state they invested in. And go. And nobody says anything. It's like, okay, yes, let's move on. Move on. There is people who Died. This is people who suffered for this biological warfare and you are telling me. Ah, okay. Nothing to see here. It's really. I mean, I'm happy because I'm alive. That's it.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Yeah, Yeah.
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David (Top Lobster)
I love, I love that, man. I love that answer, dude.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Well, look, Leo, this was a fantastic conversation. I want to thank you for, for your time that you spent with us here and, and for the work that you've done over these years. And before we get out of here, I want to be able to remind everybody who's listening where they. Because you've said a lot of fascinating stuff and you've told us chapters and, and, and things of that nature where these things are talked about in your books. So where can people find these books?
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Leo Zagami
Okay, you can find of course all my latest book and my latest articles as you show going on, which is my website. And of course you can also find the links there with all my latest books which are provided at the end of each article. And of course you can also find them on Amazon. So I, I think you will find a lot of food for thought in my website, which is now actually celebrating 10 years. It was open originally much earlier, but then it suffered a series of consequences sequences because of my disclosure work wasn't really aligning with the powers to be. So they tried to shut my website over and over again. But it's been now 10 years that. And I hope it stays there. But if not, you have my books. They are always there for you and I suggest you get them on paper. Now this book you can get on paper, you can get on hardcover, but you can also get on Kindle. The problem with Kindle that I have is, you know, yes, I'm always warning people, get also a backup on paper because we don't know the future of Kindle with the AI being scraped off the map from one day to another. So I'm glad that you gave me this possibility with your audience because I tell you, there's very few shows, even though it's quite weird now, this book last week at one point was number one in the bestsellers of UFOs. You know, you expect all kinds of people to invite in the shows. Very few people except for my friends.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Interesting.
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David (Top Lobster)
Okay, well, we'll, we'll.
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Leo Zagami
Situation never replied.
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David (Top Lobster)
I'd like to see a conversation between him and Paranoid American.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
That would, that would be fantastic. Also, we'd love to. If there's anything you'd ever like to discuss again. I mean, we only had you for an hour and a half and and obviously, you know, you're dealing with decades of work here, so we'd love to have you back.
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Leo Zagami
This book is, you know, the rise and follow a Frankist Monster is, you know, about Jeffrey Epstein and the Sabbathian frankist. It was the first book to ever discuss his alignment with the sect and his involvement, the family milieu, the background, you know, which by the way in the end connects with this book because the mega group of Les Wexner, her Steven Spielberg was a member.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Well, we'll have to send you an email because I'd love to have you back to discuss this. It was a pleasure belt there, Leo.
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Leo Zagami
It was a pleasure. Please send me a link when you post it all over the Internet. And so for the great success of this show and you carry on yourself as you're doing because you're doing a great job.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
Thank you.
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Leo Zagami
Same to you, Leo.
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Co-host (Interviewer)
I appreciate your time.
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David (Top Lobster)
All right, have a good day, man. And guys, until next time, don't forget to obey. Submit and complain Apply we'll see you later.
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