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Daily Dose of Wisdom w/ Brandon McGuire
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Short thoughts… big perspective shifts. In this episode of Nephilim Death Squad, Raven and TopLobsta sit down with Brandon McGuire, known for his “Daily Dose of Wisdom” content, to talk about mindset, awareness, and how small shifts in thinking can...
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Ben
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
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Brandon McGuire
Death spot.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Welcome black ladies and gentlemen to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. I am David Lee Corbo, AKA the Raven. That is Top Lobster, the father of disinformation. And we are guaming at you live from the standard coffee shop and casino and fabrication shop/nds.
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Ben
Very misleading. It may or may not be. Come find out.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
We do have a lot of things that are being fabricated here. We make up stuff all the time. Join the Patreon patreon.com/now/nephilim Death Squad. If you want early access to episodes, you want access to the community. The live chat that gets to keep interacting with the show when we pull it from the pores. Also, unedited version ad free versions, first dibs on tickets to Bohemian Grove and a little discount code off of merchandise from top lobster.com. are we going to show them that? There we go. Look at that.
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Ben
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
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Ben
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I still kind of Remains my favorite shirt.
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Ben
We have a great guest today.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Joining us today is Brandon McGuire of the Daily Dose of Wisdom. Is it the show or the podcast, Brandon? Which one? Which. Which phrase do you prefer?
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Ben
How does your. How does your show identify?
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Brandon McGuire
You know, I don't care. It's. It's mainly a YouTube channel. And then I realized I should probably talk to the people that I'm always talking about. And so then the podcast was born out of that. So, I don't know. You tell me. Oh, all right.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I like show because something about when you say podcast, when people ask me what I do.
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Ben
Yeah. And then you go, I'm a podcaster.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
You go, I gotta, like, brush my teeth afterwards. Brandon. Before we get into this conversation, let's everybody know who's listening, what it is that you do, and where they can find your work.
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Brandon McGuire
Yeah, so I've got a YouTube channel called Daily Dose of Wisdom. I normally deal with apologetics and philosophy and theology and cultural issues that are a little bit less fringe, a little bit less esoteric than the stuff that you guys deal with. But the Epstein files stuff really caught my interest as you start seeing, like, the receipts that are coming out of that, that it's not, you know, so and so said so, but it's like, oh, there it is. That's an actual, you know, verified email on, like, a federal website that is talking about some crazy stuff. So that kind of took me down, like, the research rabbit hole. And eventually, you know, I found myself to Yalls channel and everything. And so it's interesting. It's this. This particular topic that I know you guys are way more into than I am and way further down this rabbit hole. But it's so interesting how different, like, breadcrumbs in scripture seem to map on top of not only past events, but perhaps future events as well. So that is really interesting to me. And then, you know, you start digging into it and you see, oh, like, you know, legitimate people like Michael Heiser and Chuck Missler and people have kind of been barking up this tree. So. Okay, I'm not, like, off on some crazy island here. This is actually like, you know, there. There are legitimate dots to be connected. Let's keep. Let's keep going and let's keep seeing what we get here. So anyways, I'm excited to talk to you guys about that. It's a little bit off the beaten path of what my channel normally focuses on, but there is definitely an intersection, I think, between, like, our two. Two worlds or, you know, areas of focus. So I'm excited to kind of explore that, plus, you know, learn whatever else you guys want to talk about today.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's actually a really great time because. Excuse me. You know, you said there's, there's overlap between what you focus on and what we focus on.
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Ben
Well, it seems just like we're coming at the same conclusion, but from slightly different. Not slightly, almost opposite directions. Like David has come from the conspiracy world. And within the last. I mean, you can just tell them you. Well, yeah, I mean, testimony.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I, I, I guess I was into conspiracy for a really long time, and I never outright dismissed Christianity or, or the Bible or anything like that, because, of course, if you're looking into conspiracy, it comes up constantly. But it was one of those things where I was, I was inundated with so many different points of views that I wasn't ready to say which one definitively had it. And it was a long time before I realized that the Bible is the correct lens to look at this whole situation through. And it made sense of so many different things, and it keeps bearing good fruit. But this, this time that we're in right now, it's, it's almost like, I think this is a great conversation that we're gonna have because it's one that is going to resemble a lot of conversations that a lot of people are about to have. Just given the speed with which at the dinner table, at the dinner table at work, you know, public transportation, whatever. You're going to be having these conversations because, as you said. Right. The Epstein files get released. I don't know what we're at. Is it 6.5 or 7 million documents released through the DOJ. I'm sure we've, we're yet to see the implications of a lot of those documents because I don't know how long, you know, endless amounts of Internet sleuths are going to take to get through all these files and find the things that are really important and really, you know, relevant to the conversation. But I imagine that process is still taking place right now. And, and, and so as we go forward, we're going to see bigger names talking about this, and that's going to bleed down to just conversations at your dinner table, at your job. And, and so I think it's important to have discussions like this where, you know, you have this foundation in Christ. And, and that's honestly more important, I think, than having a foundation in conspiracy. Yeah, it's just when people have that foundation in Christ and they allow the conspiracy to make them believe that those two Things don't apply to one another. Meaning you're going to see stuff in the Epstein files, you're going to see alien stuff, whatever they want.
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Ben
We were just having a conversation because we operate out of a coffee shop. The back of a coffee shop. So. Interesting. Interesting guy. He's a pastor. Former pastor, I suppose, writing some books. But he very much like you. Coming from, like a. A Christian background, it seems he's like, well, what's the show about? And we just started giving a. Giving him a quick breakdown of what we're talking about and what we're thinking. And he's like, yeah, yeah, I've been thinking the same things. I just don't know where to start. Don't know how to put it. And it's like, well, okay, we're all looking at this from the correct perspective now. We have to discover what's happening here. And it's, It's. We have to be careful how we unveil this because it can get tricky.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
You. You want to be rooted in the gospel, but a lot of these things are going to present themselves in a way that's. It's going to try to convince you that that's not applicable. And it is. I. I want to ask you, Brandon, before we get into, you know, all the crazy stuff, what was your show previously about? I mean, I know now you're exploring these Epstein files and things like that. You said apologetics. What would an episode of Daily Dose of Wisdom have looked like, you know, before all this stuff came to the table?
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Brandon McGuire
Yeah, I know. I love that question because it kind of directly relates to. So, for example, I have probably done 20 videos trying to tackle in different ways the topic of morality and of good and of evil and essentially making the case, like, if something. If anything is better than something else, then there has to be some ultimate standard by which we're measuring what is better than something else. Like, if something's better, then something's ultimately good. There has to be some measuring stick. It cannot, at the end of the day be just my moral opinion versus your moral opinion. And it's all hunky dory. We know that there is actually good and actually evil, but the way that you go about making that case philosophically, it can get, you know, it can get heady. It can feel very detached, very abstract. And people's basically defenses are up because they're like, no. Like, I want to argue that. That either morality is just totally relative, or I want to argue that it's. That it's basically mass Buy in like, like a John Stuart Mill, moral utilitarian type of view, or I want to argue that it's just culturally based or, or that it doesn't exist at all, or that it's just ethical emotivism. It's just, how do you feel? Boo Murder. Boo Epstein Island. But there's no actual truth claim in reference when we're talking about morality. Morality is not even something related to truth. It's just a matter of your emotional response to events that take place in the world and so on and so forth, right? So there's all these different moral frameworks that exist. And in my channel, I'm basically saying, man, the price tag, like the intellectual price tag of, of buying into any of those frameworks is that you have to look the most evil thing in the face and say, it's not really evil, it's just your opinion. And to me that's just. That's like a hill. That's a bridge way too far for me. But then once you go, okay, maybe there really is real good and real evil. But the second that you concede that point, you're now presented with, well, like, according to what? Like, you know, C.S. lewis said this the best. If we look out at our world and we call it crooked, then what is the idea that we have of what is a straight line to judge this world as being crooked against what is that thing that we're thinking of? Well, it's a transcendent, objective moral reality that exists in the character and nature of God ultimately. Like it. You know, if there's, if there's morality, then there's a moral. If there's moral good and evil, there's a moral law. If there's a moral law, there's a moral law. Giver is ultimately like the moral argument pointing towards God. But my point is you make that type of a case and it stays inside of this box of theory and philosophy. And I think it is effective for some people because, you know, it, it follows logically fairly well. But what I love about, about. In a strange way, what I love about the Epstein files coming out is it gives like a cultural referent to be able to talk about that where you can kind of just go beneath the skin of all of that and just say, this is obviously evil, right? And people basically feel that at a visceral level. And it's like we're no longer just theorizing in the ivory tower about what is there really good or is this really evil? It's just hit us in the face. We see the photographs, we see, you know, the little baby with her with the, you know, the black redaction over her face. And you feel sick to your stomach and you're no longer like, pontificating about whether or not it's evil. You're asking yourself the question, like, what brings this? Like, why do people do this? Why is the world the way that it is? What's like, the explanation of this kind of behavior? And it really, I think, moves the ball forward in a more helpful direction. So. And by the way, that motif just last thought of this, that that motif is I think, really important that what's happening right now in the world is. And I think you guys were just referencing this with what you were saying about the conversations that are going to happen in public transportation and dinner tables and all that is like, we are, I really believe as, as modern civilization crossing a cultural linguistic barrier between the ideas that are described in the Bible that for a long time have been thought about in a fairy tale context. Angels, demons. Give me a break. But then, man, we're going to take really serious, though. Like, there's actually like a disclosure thing happening in the government. Well, what is this? And so that divide between like the language and the culture of the Bible and the language and the culture of the modern world, I think is, is lessening. I think that, like a bridge is being built between those two worlds and we're figuring out how to talk about these topics in a way that is actually relevant to people. Like, we can, we can, I'm happy to change up the language if you guys want, if you, you know what I'm saying, If you believe in like the Anunnaki that are always talked about on the History Channel, I'll go there with you. Like, I think the Bible does talk about the Anunnaki. We can, we can like map these concepts on top of each other and realize that we're basically talking about the same thing. But the real question is like, who are the good guys and who are the bad guys? But, you know, so normally on my channel, I'm talking all about like, like I said, like philosophy, theology and culture and ultimately saying, like, hey, God, Christianity is the best explanation for reality. And by the way, it's really good news. Like, if true, Amazing. If true. Best story ever. Actually real. Aragorn real. Neo real. Braveheart real. All of these things are types and shadows of the actual hero that, you know, even Joseph Campbell talking about, the hero with a thousand faces, he's real. Jesus is real. He's historic Hamlet wrote himself into Shakespeare, rather, wrote himself into Hamlet. The Creator entered the creation and he makes himself on center stage the solution to our biggest problem, which is the problem of evil. And he gives us hope and life for life everlasting through defeating death in his resurrection. So, like, if Christianity is true, it is by far the greatest news ever, and everybody should immediately attach to it. But, like, what's the cognitive dissonance? What are the things that are being believed that make that unbelievable? Or what are the things that are being held in view that make that undesirable? That's really what I'm interested in normally talking about on the channel, but again, I love this intersection between our channels because it kind of takes a lot of that, like, theory, philosophy, theology. And it's like, let's talk about literally what's on, like, the DOJ website as of last month. And it, like, brings everything into focus and it helps people realize, like, the Bible is not a fairy book from the Bronze Age. It is a description of reality that has actually predictive language inside of it that is playing out in a shockingly accurate manner. So, I don't know. That's, you know. A couple thoughts.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Dude. Okay. There's a lot of great stuff there.
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Ben
I come from a libertarian background, so what you're describing about this, this philosophy that adheres to different standards, it, it's very much. It's the issue that I did have with libertarianism, where I do love the philosophy, I love the ideas, I love the, especially the, the monetary thinkers. I think they're, they're genius. But when it comes to their, their underpinning or that center point, it was for me, always God. And I was like, if you don't have God in the middle of your political theory or your, I don't know, social theory or cultural theory, it falls apart or it flies off the hinges because you'll get people in and they'll just put their fingers in and start ripping at the seams. With God, these things kind of orbit around it. It makes sense. So I'm, I'm right there with you philosophically. But our show kind of does. We start at the point of, like, the most insane things, the most insane thing. And then we go from there. We're like, I'm not even going to explain the philosophy or the. Well, I mean, as we talk about the nature of God.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Well, a lot of my problem with, like, let's say, for example, the Libertarian Party was like, you need to deal with the reality of the situation. And you're not. And the reality of the situation is the governmental systems that you hope to infiltrate and then use the proper channels to rectify all the things that are wrong with the country.
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is run in great part by people who are sacrificing children. And, and if you can't have that
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Ben
conversation, we just do you see how we just jump to.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That's what we do constantly.
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Ben
But here's the thing you're saying, like, all right, we're, we're all now able to talk about this thing finally. And I'm, I'm, I'm saying we're all now able to talk about this thing once again. There's nothing new under the sun. This has just come full cycle again. And I, I think a couple years ago, Tucker, Carl, Tucker Carlson was talking about the intentional deadening of the spirituality in America, specifically.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah. Removing our awareness of the spiritual realm, detaching us from it.
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Ben
Yeah. 70 years ago this happens, let's say the 50s. A lot of stuff happens in the 1950s that's interesting.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That's the same time that Elohim drops on the graph of being mentioned in relevant culture on Google, which is fascinating. Right.
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Ben
So we're stripped of this. Go ahead, Brandon.
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Brandon McGuire
No, I was just going to say even the, even the Enlightenment, if you go back a little bit further, where they parade Lady Reason through the streets as a type of an idol, as if basically humanism has won the day and, and reason alone. Yeah, look, look, look into, you know, like the, it's the, during the French, like the French Revolution and like all those kind of big revolutions that were happening during the Enlightenment, you know, the concept there was, was, yeah, like humanity and reason and science explain everything. We don't need any kind of transcendence. So they prop up Lady Reason as this, you know, like there's like a parade. Like we've, like we, we've basically. And this is why Nietzsche isn't actually making a proclamation, he's making an analysis through, you know, through the madman. And when he says God is dead, he's not saying from. In that context. He's not saying, I believe God is dead. He's having a care. He's speaking through the voice of a character who's making an observation about the culture. We've killed him. We no longer believe in him. We've thrown God to the side and now we worship Lady Reason. So yeah, I think it's definitely there and I think it's basically bottoming out right now. I think things like the Epstein files are an evidence that it's bottoming out because, you know, we might, we may have been culturally brainwashed into believing that matter is all that is and we're an accident from nowhere for no reason. But ultimately, what a boring and dissatisfying worldview. And I think when you look at the elites, you realize, oh, you guys don't believe that. Even Lawrence Krauss doesn't believe that. Lawrence Krauss says that. He believes that Lawrence Krauss writes a book called the Universe from Nothing. But in reality, Lauren, Lawrence Krauss is working alongside of Epstein, trying to disentangle the connection between UFOs out of body experiences and ghosts. What in the world?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, I mean, this is, this is a huge eye opener for me too, when I'm younger where it's like, you know, you are, you're force fed this materialistic paradigm. But then you look at, you know,
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Ben
for lack of Bible is boring.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Well, besides even that, you just look at the elites, you know, in whatever form they might take, and you're like, well, they're doing a lot of, I don't know, worshiping of deities and sacrifices and rituals and all of their iconography and their, you know, in Hollywood and elsewhere, it's. It's all saturated in like Babylonian symbolism and. But yeah, but we live in a materialistic paradigm. No problem. There's no problem with that. You know, you were talking about morality and how I. I'm gonna kind of paraphrase what you were saying. It's almost like we were stripped of all of the knowledge of the nature of evil. Right. It's like culture and society became so luxurious here in the West.
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Ben
Yeah, I was gonna. When as you were speaking, the word decadent kept popping.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, because I mean, honestly, a poor person lives in better conditions than A king did, you know, all those years ago. And so we've allowed ourselves to enter such a level of comfort that we can't see. Even though a lot of people listening might not think they live in an ivory tower, historically speaking, I think we do. Within that context, we all live on, you know, a sort of ivory tower. And it has obfuscated our ability to see evil, actual evil. So in a way, yeah, the Epstein files being released has given us a window into what actual evil is. And it. And it's. It's. It's kind of forced this. This conversation. And I think that that is, for me, it's. It's how I got to the table where if that level of evil that most people didn't want to acknowledge existed, then certainly there has to be an extreme good. Right. That was. So in a world of polarities, if you do have this thing that conspiracy theorists have been saying for a long time and Christians have been saying for a long time, if you're not going through sort of a lukewarm Christianity and you really do believe that there are actual forces of evil, then there has to be this ultimate good that transcends just the morality of man, the decisions of man. And so, yeah, I think that we've actually done ourselves a disservice. It's interesting to think about that. Like, have we made things? You make, you try and you strive for, like, a utopia, but I don't think that human beings are built for a utopia, not at least a man made one. And you can see all the horrifying things. If you. If you do give people sufficient bread and circus, will they become numb and they become complacent? And all that does is create an avenue that can operate out in the open, really, for all intents and purposes. I mean, it's been here right under our noses. And they fictionalize it. They put it in Hollywood and all this other stuff. And that way, if you do see it, it's associated with fiction, it's associated with fantasy, I guess.
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Ben
I have a question for you, Brandon, because as you're talking about this, I'm just thinking about the latest article that came out about them seeding the sky. Like, I think the article title was They're Poisoning the Sky. I was like, yeah, I've been. Every day I go outside and I yell at the SK guys because they're poisoning them. Why? Why in your opinion, are we finding all of this out now? Because the Epstein files is a huge shoe drop. And then we're talking about UFO files And we're talking about, I mean they're like, yeah, we poison the sky. We just did the whole dyes in the food and all the poison. Why right now?
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Brandon McGuire
That's a great question.
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Ben
What's happening?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, what do you think?
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Brandon McGuire
I, I will give my best current understanding and then I'll kind of push it back to you guys as well because this actually leads like my answer to this question will inevitably lead into one question that I wanted to ask you guys after listening to your conversation with Albarino and so maybe. Sorry about that.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, it was a brutal one.
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Brandon McGuire
Well, yeah, I'm just curious, so I let me first give my answer. So I think it's possible that, and it's actually, this actually directly ties into what you were just saying about Utopia. Right. So I actually like took a class in college called Utopia and it's the study of how every time that there's like, like almost without fail like a real wide scale civilization level tragedy that takes place. Like you know, like the Holocaust or any, anything like that, the, the holodomer on and on, right. It's always sold under the banner of Utopia. It's always, here's how we're going to bring about a better world. And everybody, I mean even really Marxism fundamentally is that right, workers of the world unite. Like this is bad, this is a problem. But if we all band together and revolt over the, the bad guys, or in the case of Paul Pot, the people who wear spectacles, if we just kill all the people that wear spectacles, the world will finally be really good. If we just kill all those nasty Jews in our society, they're, they're taking all of our jobs. The world will be better. And like, so every time that you have like that wide scale atrocity, it's smuggled in, it's a Trojan horse that's kind of smuggled in under the banner of Utopia. It's never, hey, what, what if we just did like wide scale destruction, just like killed a bunch of people? That'd be cool. And everyone would be like, you're crazy. No, that's evil. Because we have moral conscience because we like ultimately want the good. It's always a call to Utopia. Here's how we get to a better world. Yeah, you do have to spill a couple omelets to make an egg. But it's going to be worth it. And that's basically how it goes down. Which again actually tells us, I think, really important things about ourselves. The fact that we have souls, moral consciousness are actually, in spite of all of that created in the image of God. And we actually have to trick ourselves into aiming at the good even in order to do great evil. That could be a whole, a whole conversation we could have around that. But fundamentally I think things, and this is just my theory or this is like where I currently understand things to be. But there's gonna have to be bigger and bigger problems in order for there to be a solution to those problems. And I think a lot of what you guys are, what we're talking about right now, like why, why do we all of a sudden get access to all of the, the dark, the dark black underbelly? Like why do we all of a sudden get. Well, because we need to in sort of maybe a predictive programming kind of way begin to understand this type of framework that there, that we're not alone in this galaxy. And disclosure. But things are also very problematic. And man, they're seeding the skies. Yeah, I mean I don't know anything about that but like I'm going to assume that that's a thing that's happening. And so you know, oh, that's really bad. The government's bad. We don't trust the government. Things are bad. There's wars and rumors of wars. Bigger and bigger and bigger problems leading to more and more desperation. We just need some kind of solution. Will somebody help us? We, we're just poor humans on planet Earth. Will anybody help us? Ta da. Enter the beast system. Enter the Antichrist is how I see it. And so I think if you're thinking about it in that kind of a way, it makes sense. Like if everything's hunky dory and all of a sudden there's some kind of an ultimate disclosure or like presentation of hey, you know, I mean just think about how hard the cell is. Hey, like religions. I know you guys all have like your, you know, your heels really sunk into your position for like thousands of years. But what if, what if the details don't matter? What if we just all kind of sing Kumbaya together and like, and the details don't matter? That's a really, really difficult buy in to get to. But you know, if you read the book of Revelation, you sort of see like a one world government. Something along the lines of a one world religion. A great deception that if possible would even deceive the elect is what it says. And so, and you have the mention of signs and miracles and you know, the man of lawlessness and, and the. As it was in the days of Noah and the. I saw three Beasts come out of the mouth of the prophet and the. And the dragon and. And the beast that looked like frogs, and they performed many wonders. And, you know, so you see some of these little inklings, and you're like, I don't know what all is going to go down, but whatever it is, and however it looks like, it's more likely to be foisted on humanity if we're desperate. Sol Alinsky was the perfect person who said this. Never waste a crisis. Right? If you guys know, like, Rules for Radicals, he. Which, by the way, was dedicated to Satan, Lucifer. I don't know if you guys know
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
that, but I did not know that. Makes a lot of sense, really, in the book.
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Ben
I didn't read that part.
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Brandon McGuire
I kid you not. Google it or ChatGPT, whatever. Right now on page one of rules for Radicals, he says, this book is dedicated to Lucifer, the original rebel or the ultimate rebel, or something along those lines.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Wow, that's crazy.
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Brandon McGuire
Yeah, so that's. I think that's the plot that I think, like, has always worked, is make people desperate, never waste a crisis, and then when we're all kind of up against the wall and panicking, enter the solution, which will be the false solution before, you know, ultimately the true Christ returns. So that's. That's how I see it going down. The reason. So let me lead into my question for you guys and also feel free to correct me on anything, because I'm a noob in all of this. When it comes to your conversation with Albarino, what, like, at the end of that, where do you guys, like, what are the nuts and bolts of where you guys disagree, if at all, after hashing out that. Because I remember him saying, like, he thinks that the. That, like, the Grays could be just part of that problem that I think I'm talking about, and then the sons of God become the solution. Like, kind of like someone puppeting you, you know, like, it's a. It's a magician with two hands. He's like, I'm attacking you with the grace. It's ultimately the same person. And then I'm solving your problem with the Sons of God. And we're like, yay. Like, do you guys buy into that as a possibility or do you just think anything? Like, any kind of whatever that is, like, demonic flesh puppet is just ridiculous or like, like, I guess, in a nutshell, where do you guys, if at all, disagree with Albarino at this point?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Well, if I, if I may, I. I think that we tend to agree with Alberino on a great percentage of things. I would say like upwards of 90 that episode.
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Ben
Yeah, and I mean, I'll release the email, but in the email leading up to it, I said, hey, this is a 15 minute disagreement. He, he challenged us to the debate. And I was like, here are some other topics that would be fascinating if we want to fill like an hour and a half, let's say, of a show. Yeah, I don't assume this is going to go much further than 15 minutes. We got stuck on a definition of a demon for 45 minutes. The guy filibuster. It was very frustrating.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It was a strange thing.
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Ben
And then he asked the community to like. What's the correct word? Not talk to us anymore.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Not talk to us anymore.
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Ben
Well, thanks for showing up.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah. So, so the, the main disagreement, I would say is, and I think you've actually laid fertile ground for people to understand this when you're describing this great, great big problem, so that there could be a consolidation of people under one banner. Right. If you create a big enough bad guy, let's say, or a big enough issue, and then you can rally people behind one singular solution. Well, the. My concern is that there will be two major facilitators of that issue and the solution. And those facilitators will be elements of our own government. And then whatever this ET situation will be, right. These two things will be the things that give us new systems, give us savior figures, whatever the case may be. And when it comes to Albarino, my, my real contention with him was two main things. One, this Collins elite narrative I think is very dangerous because what it does is it paints Christians as being a stopping point for progress.
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Ben
And, and which, number one, we did clip him saying that, that the people are standing in the way of progress, disclosure, technological progress, and then Christian people. Christian people, misguided. He has also tweeted that, that I guess his words may have been a misstep. And that is quite dangerous because Christian people will have a target on their back because of his rhetoric. So that's what, like, one thing is very cool.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I think it's very cool they did that.
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Ben
I think it's disingenuous because about it, when in reality, that's kind of what we were saying. And he just wanted.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Oh, it's exactly what we were saying. We weren't mincing words. But I. At the end of the day, all I care about is the truth. So if Alvarino is going to then sidestep and say, actually Collins elite narrative is dangerous because it paints Christians as this, then that's great and that's awesome to me. The other thing that to me is. Is very difficult to get past is he is almost feverishly defending Elizondo, you know, Jake Barber, all of the talking heads that are associated with disclosure as it's being facilitated by government entities. So these people are either currently or X, but I don't think there's such thing as X. Military intelligence, you don't get to not be military intelligence. You don't get to not be CIA. You don't not get to be, you know, aerospace intelligence or any of these things anymore.
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Ben
You can. He's not intelligently differentiating between, I guess, like, he's not. He's not differentiating between psyops. And I don't know where you stand politically, but when we're talking to them, it's like, it's this boomer mentality of like, oh, well, what do you want to be a Democrat? What do you want to be a Republican? And I'm looking at. I mean, just look at the Epstein files. We have Democrats, Republicans across the political spectrum for, I don't know, 30, 40 years working in tandem to do whatever they're going to do.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
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Ben
And I'm looking at this and I go like. It's like, tim, do you think a white hat or a black hat is going to stop the gods of old, if that's what we're dealing with, from presenting themselves, when they are ready to present themselves, or if this is God's plan to allow this to happen? You think that Lou Elizondo is going to be the guy to blow the lid off the thing? No, he's a useful idiot that will be used. And if he, if he Steps to the side, somebody else will be put in his place, and this will move forward.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
They're all here to facilitate it.
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Ben
So, yeah, this thing is happening. We are going forward. And. And I don't need to pick a side between, you know, propose good guys and bad guys. It's ridiculous.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
So. So ultimately, my concern here is if we are moving towards this time, where it's short and it seems to be on the horizon, to get caught up in defining things. Let's say from. From your perspective, Brandon, Right. Where it's like you're. You're new to this, but you're earnestly exploring it, and, you know, you can see from your vantage point that this conversation is coming to the table. Well, is it time to get caught up in defining Pleiadians, Insectoids, Tall grays, spiritual realm? Or is it to say, where is the line? What is in opposition to the kingdom of God? What is in opposition to humanity, and what is still within the grace of God? That's the only dividing line that I really care about. We can talk about those things because they're interesting and they make for fascinating conversation, but if you're going to present yourself as an authority and a talking head, and those are the murky waters that you're going to really engage in while smoking cigars with Elizondo and championing all of the government programs, that crashed craft retrieval program and all these other things, I. I don't think that you should be aligning yourself with the very system that's going to facilitate the deception. And so, honestly, it really wasn't too much of a. Of a disagreement. It was just those elements. Why are we painting Christians as standing in the way of progress? Why are we aligning ourselves with guys like Elizondo in this government disclosure?
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Ben
And to be. Brandon, the whole thing started because he. He said, if you think aliens are demons, you're. And we're like, well, he said, if you're a Nephilim podcast that thinks aliens are demons, you're. And, like. So we're a Nephilim podcast that does think that. Yeah, and we are. Which is fine. Yeah. But I'm like, okay, so why are you saying that? Like, we. Now we got to ask you the question.
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Brandon McGuire
And.
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Ben
And then it just got kind of out of control.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I don't know.
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Brandon McGuire
But then by the time that you guys. Like, by the time that you guys hashed it out, it sounded like. Just. Again, I wasn't there to hear, like, the before and after and backstage whatever, but it sounded. You guys essentially were either agreed with completely or were open to the sort of like, demons are, specifically the disembodied spirits of dead nephilim hypothesis. But is that, did I read that wrong? Or as he was unpacking that, you guys seem to be like, okay, yeah, yeah, maybe we're not that far away from each other.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
So that was.
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Ben
I think we're extremely far away. Like, we, we asked like, okay, let's define the term. What is a demon? And it's a disembodied spirit of a nephilim. 45 minutes later we get into, well, the angels that the prophets in the Bible saw were purely symbolic and they never had wings. And I'm just like, what the hell are you talking about?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
But even that, I don't care so much about those, those disagreements.
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Ben
And, and I perfectly, honestly, I think those things matter. On view of the supernatural, they do.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
But the problem was they. To get hung up on them, which we didn't, you know, ultimately would block us from being able to address the things that I actually cared about. So on the, on the topic of Are aliens demons? I've said it to him on Twitter before the show even, you know, happened. And I said that there are a multitude of things and there's a physical aspect, there's a spiritual aspect, there's a biologics, you know, a biomechanical aspect and a technological aspect, but there's also plasma and there's all these different things involved. There's also government programs that are using, you know, aliens as a shield for their programs like MK Ultra, where they're taking people and they're doing experimentation on them and things like that.
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Ben
Well, we could, we could explain that a little bit more because I guess if you're new, newer in this space, but a lot of MK Ultra programs, mind control programs, disassociative techniques that they would use to cause trauma to a person. Oftentimes if you, if you speak to somebody that studies or helps with Satanic, not helps help like a satanic ritual abuse, deliverance minister, they can tell you a little bit about the techniques used. And it's one for one. They're the same thing. And so now we have to step back and wonder why is the government employing techniques with this very technological hard like, like, you know, wires, scalpels, whatever it is, why is, why does it overlap exactly with what they're doing in these satanic temples or rituals?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
When a cult, I mean, I'm sorry, when abductees are abducted, oftentimes they'll recall science personnel, medical Personnel, military personnel, among these, you know, the pantheon of aliens that they're experiencing. So just to wrap it up, Brandon, the, the question as it presented itself to the public, were, are aliens demons? Which is a little bombastic, it's a little overly reductive, it's meant to kind of catch your attention, but it's the Internet and, and so it's really what we're asking, are aliens? And aliens are so many different things, right? Insectoids and Pleiadians and all this crap. Are they demons? Are they the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, as the Book of Enoch presents it?
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Ben
That's not. That's not quite correct.
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Brandon McGuire
It's.
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Ben
The question is.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
The question is better put, are they demonic? Are they against the kingdom of God? Are they against humanity? Do they have our better interest? Are they deceptive in their nature? And I would say, yeah.
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Ben
And then that leads. Sorry, Brenda, it just leads to the other question that I think he answered in a piss poor manner. Are they neutral? Is there. Because it's either you're for me or against me. That's very clear in the Bible.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That's what Jesus says.
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Brandon McGuire
Yes.
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Ben
He goes on to explain, I think it was a. In the book of Judges, there's like a place called Mirage. And he's like, well, they remain neutral, so they could remain neutral. And he said, it's a planet, but it's not. It was just a bizarre explanation. And so he thinks that there are neutral parties. And I think that that is fertile ground for deception.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, I think there is. I think you're either for God or for the kingdom of God, for humanity or against. You're either, you know, in the grace of God or you're deceptive in your nature, you're demonic. And so it was really a semantics argument, which I don't think is helpful if you're trying to catch people up to speed. It's not helpful to say Christians are standing in the way of progress. It's not helpful to get caught up in semantics. Disclosure is potentially here. We have tons of brothers and sisters who need to understand the nature of these things. And the nature of these things is they are demonic.
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Brandon McGuire
Yeah, I think so. A couple of points because you guys brought up a lot of good stuff there.
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Brandon McGuire
Find us on one of those apps where people listen to podcasts. 1. I totally agree with what you're saying around, like we should, I don't think we should get caught so much in the weeds of the semantics to the point where we like break fellowship with fellow brother. Like, it's like we're just trying to like move the ball forward in this really critical moment of awareness around the connection between like what the Bible says and what is going on in the real world. So it's like my, you know, the little peacemaker in me is like, find the middle ground. It's there, I swear. But then at the same time, I love what Jamie. I'm blanking on his last name, but who was on Blurry Creatures recently?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Jamie Dang Walden.
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Ben
Jamie Walden.
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Brandon McGuire
Yes. So, and he, I, I clipped a little like a two, a little two minute thing that he had that I thought was perfectly well said. He's like, we can kind of to some extent where we're all trying to give a language structure to the different like taxonomy that exists in the spiritual realm. And we all probably have limited knowledge. But you know, the apostle Paul just says powers and principalities and rulers and he, he indicates that there's different levels and entities. You know, the, the Genesis 1 or 6, 1 through 4 gives us this information. We, you know, we can kind of piece together enough information just from the actual canon of the Bible to understand that it looks like there's at least two or three different types of things that exist that are intelligent and that are not human. And probably there's, in my opinion, probably a lot more. I don't think anybody has like the full grasp of the spiritual realm, frankly. I think that there's probably a lot more that we don't know about.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah. In the Bible it also says devils, demons and unclean spirits. And I think in that category of unclean spirits, you have a lot of lesser entities that there's probably a bunch of different things in that category of unclean spirits. So. Yeah. But Right.
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Brandon McGuire
So I think though is like, I loved what. Oh, sorry if there's a lag. I'm sorry, I didn't mean To. I don't never mean to talk over. If I ever talk over, it's only technology's fault. I'm never in my fields. I never talk over people. No, but I. So Jamie's point was so good because he goes, he goes, we can wordsmith it as much as we want, but at the end of the day it's powers of darkness. And I thought that's such a good period at the end of that sentence. Like, that is. That is ultimately the point is that the spiritual realm is real and it is binary in nature. A third have fallen from grace, two thirds remain on God's side, and there are no neutral players that we're aware of. In scripture, we see a fall of the, you know, the apostate sons of God, or the fall of the. Like medievals talk about them in terms of angels, whatever. There's. There's entities that are not human and a third of them have fallen away from God and they're working against God and they're working against humanity. Okay, that's a good. Like, if we can get everybody up to speed on that, I'm really happy. And then what exactly. Like within that. The strategy and within even like the taxonomy, like, what exactly is a Pleiadian versus a reptilian versus. I don't know. But it doesn't seem to me that those are the good guys. And especially if. So I actually did a two and a half hour podcast with Joseph Jordan and he's telling me story after story of the name of Jesus being effective at ending the abduction experience permanently, which is what people always want, like, repeatability, like, like, why is it happening to me? And how do I make it stoppable? Why is it happening to you? Either you or someone in your family expose yourself to the occult 100 of the time in the 600 plus testimonials that he had. And how do I make it stop? Well, apparently the name of Jesus is effective. And then when people say, but it's not perfectly effective, it's not, it's not like a magic incantation that you say Jesus and it always, it always ends. Well, that's a fine point, but that's also biblically supported. The disciples came to Jesus and said, we can't cast out this demon. What's going on? So the fact that you don't have like, like, like perfect like every single time it works doesn't mean that you should push under the rug the 600 plus incidences that this one dude who's dug into it has found where the Name of Jesus does work. If there's even one time that it does effectively permanently stop the harassment from this alienoid creature, we should sit there and go, what in the world? What would theology, what would Jesus have anything to do with the ending of an abduction experience? But it hasn't just happened one time. It's a fluke accident or a psychological affectation. It's happened repeatedly. And once, and according to Joseph Jordan, once that person has like, once that entity has submitted or, or basically submitted under the authority of Jesus and leaves the person alone, that's it. They don't come back. And so that's a really like, if you're just looking at it as a researcher, that's really interesting and I think it's a great way to help people see. Again, like, I keep talking about this cultural linguistic barrier. It's like, that's a fascinating data point to that Jesus isn't just like some character in this old book called the Bible, but when his name is brought into the modern world and when his name is spoken against the abduction experience, it actually works in terms of that alienoid, demonic, disembodied, whatever, powers of darkness thing. It, it is under the authority of Jesus. And that's when I read the Gospels, that's what I see is that he has authority over all of these things, whether they're demons, whether they're sons of God. He is God himself and he has authority over them. Joseph Jordan's data maps onto that perfectly. And so I think that that's a really, a really significant thing for anybody to think about. And I guess ultimately again, me kind of being the noob and the peacemakers, just like, let's just all agree powers of darkness. And then as friends we can wordsmith what the heck is going on with the rest of it.
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Ben
But that's just, I, I, I agree what you're saying there. And it's, it is one of our main talking points where we're like, why does this work ever?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Joseph, Joseph is a guy we talked to, to Mufon investigator, right?
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Ben
Yeah, yeah, he's great. So, yeah, the question is like, why, if that is the case, why would that even work once. And I have researched what Albarino says about it because it our first episode with Albarino, we did have contention about this and we had, it was one of those things. We were new in podcasting, had no business questioning him, but we are dumb, so we're just questioning him. He didn't like it. And we're like, well, so why does this work? And I his explanation, and I think he still holds it would be. Well, there's like a time lapse that happens when you're abducted. So the people call on Jesus and when it stops, it stops because you have lost time and it was the end of their whatever.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, he's saying your perception of the event stopped, stops, but it continues beyond your perception.
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Ben
Yeah, that's his explanation to it. I think it's unsatisfactory. I do think that the calling on the name of Jesus does work in certain, certain specific situations. I think it does not work. I think this phenomenon that we're dealing with when you're being abducted can be spiritual, can be physical, can be a number of things. So if it's a government agent, if it's me and David abducting you and you say in Jesus name, stop. We say no and continue to do whatever we want because that's what happens. Those are the rules of the physical realm. So it's a mix of all of these things and there's a lot of confusion and there's a lot of obvious obfuscation and it's done on purpose.
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Brandon McGuire
So.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
But the, the point, the fact that, you know, you're bringing that up as a fascinating data point, I would say that's understating it. It is the most important. It is the data point. It is the linchpin in this entire situation. And all hands on deck should be focusing on why does this phenomena have any correlation to ceasing or, or interacting in any kind of way that seems to slow it or stop it upon calling on the name of Christ? And I think that the part of the plan.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
You know this is highly speculative on my part, but part of the plan. We've been in this materialistic paradigm for a long time now in the west and stripped of our spiritual understanding, as Tucker Carlson puts it. And I think that is massively advantageous to the powers of darkness, which, by the way, I think is a great way of putting it. Demonic or the powers of darkness, which narrative helps arm people against what's happening, the minutiae, which is fun to talk about, and it has its place, or blanket statements, the power of darkness, the demonic forces that are in opposition to humanity. I would say one does a much better job in zero hour of arming Christian brothers and sisters against whatever this phenomenon is. But if you convince people they live in a materialistic paradigm, if you hide yourself behind this veil and the only people that are willing to talk about it are on the fringes of society and they're laughed at for the longest time, they're called pseudoscientists or they're called quacks, if they're an experiencer. What that does is if the veil does truly have to be removed at some point in order for you to, let's say, reveal yourself, interact with humanity and present yourselves to them as you want, as you want to control the narrative. Benign space brothers from a highly advanced technological civilization far, far away, let's say that's what everybody's comfortable with. If you want to do that, then it's best for you to not reveal yourself until the last minute, because all of your critical thinkers and thought leaders may well be caught up in defining you. While you're busy executing, while you're busy implementing your will upon the people, all of the intellects in the space are busy trying to define, well, is this an insectoid? Does it wear a cape with a cowl? What is it? What does it want? What about the propulsion technology? That could be advantageous, right? Well, yeah, sure, maybe. There seems to be some overlap between, you know, pagan mythoses of antiquity and their gods and pantheons and this phenomenon right here. And. But. But I don't know if this is really the same thing. And sure, you have to look at
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Ben
the data, and then you look at the data, but it's really only the data that you choose.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
But in the meantime, they're doing the plan, this great deception, and we're caught up defining what they are, and it's.
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Ben
We're caught up arguing with people who have interest in selling books. And I'm just. I'm sorry. It is what it is. I realized that very quickly, like, when you're debating somebody or you're trying to, like, express your idea, I'm like, well, if your idea is rooted in you getting paid and I have nothing to do with it, we're not going anywhere here. And that's kind of. This is the shuffle that we've been playing at with this. So I'm like, yeah, it's just a moot point. We just kind of making fun of him and moving on.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I don't think that that conversation. And, you know, we can move on from it after this, but I don't think that conversation would have been structured the way that it was had it not been an offer to debate us. Because we were defending the position that aliens or demons or aliens are demonic. Which, by the way, even in the clip that we made, he doesn't just say, aliens are demons is a stupid point. He says aliens are demonic is a stupid point. We have that clip. We. We put it at the beginning of the episode. So it wasn't really even a mincing of words initially. We were defending a position that I still defend to this day. And the only reason that that conversation went the way it did is because he said, let's debate. Which to me, I'm not a debater. I'm. I'm just somebody that has conversations. But once that ball started rolling, I started to become convicted in this idea of like, well, wait a second. Why are you. Why are you saying this? Why are. There's so much overlap between the demonic
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Ben
and I. I think, yes. The question that I, I still ask myself is like, I, I hope it's just to sell books, but it seems like, I don't know, you pushing a narrative. What are we doing here?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Well, that's. Yeah, that's when I'm a conspiracy theorist. That's where my wheels start to turn and I go, there's so much overlap between the demonic phenomenon and the alien phenomenon. And this is something we've laid out on so many episodes. It's not just the name of Jesus. There are so many odd correlations that it's almost a one to one the, the alien abduction phenomenon and the demonic encounter phenomenon. To say if you think this is the same thing, you're an idiot, is incredibly disingenuous. It's. It's it. Then I have to ask, are you a person who's incredibly educated on this matter? Are you somehow missing a swath of data that I, as an idiot, have access to? Or are you being malicious? And then, you know, that's when the wheels are turning.
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Brandon McGuire
So that's. Yeah, I. I hear. I hear what you guys are saying, and I Want to make sure I'm remembering correctly here, but isn't. And then, yeah, we can get off of Alabrino, because you guys are probably like, this is not the main thing we want to talk about. But isn't. Isn't he open to the idea that the Grays are basically like created worker bees by the sons of God who are kind of like. I don't know how to say it, like synthetic flesh puppets that demons go into when they can't go into humans?
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Ben
You can thank us for that. For. For him admitting that. If you watch our first episode that we did with him about a year
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
and a half ago, he said, not
- [56:25]
Ben
that it was a struggle session for about 30 minutes. And then finally he goes, perhaps that may be. And then, yeah, I guess now he's talking about it. But it's.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
So a quick way to wrap that up, though, for Brandon is just like, yes, he says that doesn't matter when his mind changed. Yes, he says that. So then why is he saying people who say they're demons are idiots?
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Brandon McGuire
Well, this is my question. Is, is it possible that. And again, I'm not trying to be his, you know, defense attorney, whatever, but is it possible that he's just literally like. So you're saying not only did he say that the statement aliens are demons is stupid, but the still, but the statement aliens are demonic is stupid. But what I'm. My question is, is it possible that what you're thinking about as the distinction between those two words, demon and demonic, is just not in his mind, that those are synonymous ideas? Because I think. I think we're dialed into the idea that the demonic is a broad umbrella that is essentially synonymous with powers of darkness. And we're saying, like, yeah, all things that are powers of darkness are things that are demonic. But is it possible that he's hearing that and he's going, when you say demonic, you mean this narrow, disembodied spirit of a nephilim? And when you're thinking. And he's like, in my taxonomy, aliens are a separate entity. So to connect those two individual pieces is a mistake. Is it possible that he, even though you're drawing a line between demon and demonic, is still thinking that you're making some kind of a technical mistake?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Wait, no, I haven't. I have the perfect answer.
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Ben
If we hadn't said it over and over, well, then, yeah, it would be possible.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
So that's a great question. And that's. That's fair. So two things to that. One, before the debate, I created an Entire. You call it a wall of text, where I thoughtfully broke down all the different elements of the alien abduction phenomenon. To which, since then, he said that he agrees with the vast majority of what I say. So he knew what we meant going into it. The other thing that really just puts a nail in the coffin is he's now going around on Twitter, spaces, saying demonic. That the phenomenon is demonic. He's now saying, oh, yeah, it's very funny.
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Brandon McGuire
That's good, though, right? That's. We should be happy, right?
- [58:29]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yes, yes. Okay.
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Ben
Yeah, it's fine. It's just, you know, I guess I. The human side of me is kind of like, what the. Because we had this debate. I think he embarrassed himself. Even though we didn't do much talking. He did all the talking. The p. It wasn't received well. And then about a week later, I organically on the Internet, the aliens are demons thing started popping up. He went on blurry creatures immediately after, for damage control, I assume. And that didn't go well either, if you check their comment section.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It was kind of brutal.
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Ben
And I'm watching them, the blurry guys and Albarino just take a beating on Twitter from the general public when we're talking about. They're talking about aliens, our demons. They're trying to persuade people that, no, they're not. There's a differentiation, and people were not having it. And then. Then he goes, all right, about face. And it did. Fine. Okay, fine. But don't give me. Don't give me grief over it, and don't. Also, don't come after us in that, like, weird, malicious way and then send group texts to people like La Marzulli and all these other people that are large in the space to not associate with us because you embarrass yourself. That's. That's.
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Brandon McGuire
Why don't I get. Why don't I get you guys and Albarino on my podcast and we'll all hash it out for, like, four hours and. And then we'll, like, hug it out at the end.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Look, like I said, Brandon.
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Brandon McGuire
Okay, fine, five hours. We'll go five. We'll go five.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
The vast majority of points we would agree with him on. And you would find that if we had this conversation, he would concede on all of these points. We would just be sitting here. Ultimately, what would happen is he would say, you guys use naughty language. And that would be the last standing point that we would have a disagreement on. And, you know, to. That I would have to concede. I would say that he was correct on that point, but a lot of it is just like I said, semantics. And he's using the same language that we're using. Not the naughty ones, but he's saying demonic and he's differentiating between demons. He does have this air of superiority about him where he likes to allude to the idea that we're idiots and we don't know what we're talking about. And that's fine. We don't often present ourselves in a gracious enough light to paint ourselves as intellectuals. But we do understand the ins and outs of this. Not saying I have answers and I know the definitive truth, but I know all the different running theories and ideas on what these things are. And I would say that we probably know things that he doesn't know, just like he knows things that we don't know. So if we had a conversation, the conversation would likely be constructive. It's just whether or not you frame it as a debate. If you frame it as a debate,
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Brandon McGuire
I don't want to. My. My mo in this is the. Is the. The concept that I believe to be true at the deepest level, which is that that a house divided against itself cannot stand. And so when you have like Candace and Ben all of a sudden becoming each other's mortal enemies, like that's bad for the conservative coalition, like that's just. That weakens the main plot. And again, I'm not trying to meddle in it, but like, part of me is like I feel like if there is some sort of like Tyler reddick
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Brandon McGuire
Corrective thing that you guys are some kind of reconciliation where it's like, okay, yes, we actually do disagree. You're wrong about this and you're wrong about this. But we, like you said, if there really is a 90, 90% or 85% whatever overlap to me, I'm like, you guys, there's not a lot of people doing this particular kind of work and like you guys are in the same space. It's a very, I mean it's a growing space, but it's a fairly niche space. And part of me just from the, from the outsider perspective looking in like, I don't really have a dog in the race other than like, I want the word to get out and I want it to be a strong message and a house divided against itself cannot stand. And if you guys can like, you know, find that, that core, that nucleus and then like pour rocket fuel on it and help the world better wake up to the reality that like there is a spiritual realm, there is powers of darkness. Maybe I sound like I'm living in a utopia by casting this vision, but that's like where my, my heart is coming from. On it is like, is like. I think it's important. I think this, I think this narrative is basically true in the broadest sense. And then the details around what are the, what's the taxonomy and what's the timeline like? There's a lot of details that are, are blurry. I was going to say fuzzy, but when I say blurry, so, but like do you, do you see where, where I'm coming from? On it is like I want the world to wake up to all of this through a biblical pr. Realize the reality of the predictive power of the Bible. And I think you guys are, are a part of that.
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Ben
So I think, yeah, I would, I would like, I would like that. I think after this whole thing went down because obviously I, I, you don't know much about us, but we're like, we're comedy based. I, I worked in the comedy field, stand up comedy field for a long time and David is like a natural comedian as well. So like that's what. We're gonna lean on a line. We're gonna, we're gonna say jokes, we're gonna say off color stuff and same
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
because we made fun of them a lot.
- [64:14]
Ben
But it's, it's a part of the body of Christ in a way. And again, I don. Sound like, like I'm making excuses for how we behave because we, we do some off color stuff. But we talk to people who Timothy Alberino will never be able to talk to.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah. In fact, he's actually labeled our audience as like terrible people.
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Ben
Yeah. And they are terrible people. They are terrible people.
- [64:32]
David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Everybody deserves, you know, the gospel.
- [64:34]
Ben
He talks to people that we can't talk to. So there is that thing there. I just, I've been having this thing within my heart of like, yeah, the, the body of Christ is divided, but I'm like, is, am I. So am I part of the body of Christ or is he not part of the body? Because there's a thing that happened. Whereas I'm like, oh, there's a clear separation here. And I don't know if these two things go together. So, yeah, I don't know if that could be hashed out.
- [64:58]
Brandon McGuire
That's.
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Ben
It's whatever.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
But my thoughts on it are, whatever God wants to happen is. That's. That's what I'm gonna do. Yeah. So, you know, as far as hashing it out with him, I think it would be a fascinating conversation just given all of the expanse that this topic covers. And, and we all have something very interesting to say that I would hope, even if, if, let's say there's 70 data points that are fascinating about the alien, you know, abduction phenomenon and the demonic encounter phenomenon. If only one of those data points resonates with some listener and it clicks in their head and it puts the pieces of the puzzle together for them and they realize that this is the same phenomenon. I, I don't care. I'll talk for however long it. My, my main prayer going into every episode is that somebody who hears this episode is drawn closer to Christ because of the words that we speak on it. And if that's one word or, or that's one person, then awesome. That's a bad.
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Ben
I just want to be understood from like, like what I'm trying to say because oftentimes, you know, I'm a bit mumble mouth. But as a podcaster, not great.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I, I don't, I don't have any real animosity. He really doesn't like us right now. And look, probably for. Started hashing it out on Twitter and getting nasty with each other, you know, but I actually memed him to death and all this other stuff.
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Ben
I wanted to move the conversation to something you brought up before about this lady reason. And it kind of.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That was a fascinating point.
- [66:30]
Ben
Yeah, yeah, that stuck out in my head because that's one of. It's rearing its head.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Can You. I gotta go to the bathroom.
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Ben
Sure. It's rearing its head in a way that is, is kind of fascinating these days. These entities often present themselves as feminine throughout antiquity and culture from Isis to, I, I don't know, like, what is a, what's the name of this, the ancient Jewish one? Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Oh, Lilith. Yeah.
- [67:00]
Ben
Lilith being the like, I guess like the original in Jewish lore. And then even before that, if you look at, in the Bible, I think there was the, the first verse or the second verse of the book of Genesis where God's face comes over the deep and that, that deep is, is translated as Tiamat. So it's like this dragon, but the dragon has this female connotation and God obviously has this masculine connotation. So he's coming over the face of this female body and he's, and he's telling it to calm down. And it calms down. And then he creates, and he creates order out of this. And this is like a Jordan Peterson kind of point. But, but the idea is that this aspect is always feminine. And now we're looking at the alien phenomenon through the, the Bledsoe's eyes, at Chris Bledsoe and his father, his son Ryan Bledsoe. And they're, they're like these people that have seen orbs. They're in contact with entities and one of the entities that they are in contact with is called the lady.
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Ben
And she's described as this Pleiadian, blonde, tall white lady, and she's giving him premonitions and predictions of what's going to happen in the future. And to be honest, she's been correct, and he's been spot on. Even with the year he's predicted, the year 2026 being the year that we go to war with Iran, the year that we're seeing these orbs, the year that they will present themselves to us and disclose things. But it's just a. It's a bizarre thing because it's coming from this divine feminine aspect of. Of the spiritual realm, which we'll see in, like, a lot of New Age, New Agey kind of ideas. And the Bible doesn't really give any credence to divine feminine. As a matter of fact, when they talk about the Queen of Heaven, it's always in a negative light. It's like a demonic. A demonic kind of entity going on. David's back. I'm just filling him in on the lady. Chris Bledsoe.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, this is a fascinating topic. You were just talking about that idea of the Queen of Heaven. I forget what verse or scripture that is in particular, but it talks about provoking the rage of God by making offerings to the Queen of Heaven. And so, yeah, it's never in a positive connotation that. That this aspect is brought up, but it does. What did you say that was 1950 is. Is when the. What was it called?
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Brandon McGuire
The. No, this would have been. This would have been earlier than that. 18 something. This would have been, like, around the French Revolution, I believe. Let me. I can look it up here.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And what was it called?
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Ben
The Lady Reason.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Lady Reason. That's a fascinating. That's a fascinating. Yeah, because you. You get a lot of that, especially within protests, too. The revolution. I mean, think about.
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Ben
I think it was 1793. Oh, wow.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
1793.
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Ben
Yeah. It replaced Christianity.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That's interesting.
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Ben
Yeah, it's always the same thing.
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Brandon McGuire
It replaced Christianity, the Goddess of reason. Yeah. Yeah. So the end of, like, almost 18. Like. Yeah, 1793. Yeah. And I'm not even saying that they were thinking of it, like, in a literal sense, like, this is now our, like, God that we're gonna worship, but just the concept of basically we. It's like a symbol for reason. Right. Like, it's like, what. What other thing to. To your point? Like, I feel like there's a way of someone hearing that and thinking that it's like just really chauvinistic, like women are bad, God is good, God is male, God is good. And I, I don't think that that's what you mean, but it's more, I think it's more of like. What's that?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I said, I think specifically there's a spirit and, and that spirit right now, and I know this is going to bleed into this conversation about the Bledsos, but there is a feminine spirit that is presenting itself to these two gentlemen, Chris Bledsoe and, and his son Ryan Bledsoe, who are self professed Christians. And I don't think that they don't love God. I think that they've just had a profound experience that has fundamentally deceived them about its nature. And, and through this spirit they've managed to make a, a series of predictions about the future. And I think this started back in 2016 and, and these predictions included, you know, this Iran versus Israel situation, but that when that exchange would finally come to a head, that we would see the appearance of all of these orbs that would come out of the ocean and they would somehow stop, I think nuclear war. What's fascinating about that is throughout the abduction experiences is abductees, if they are imparted any information from their captors, it is usually about one, being special and chosen. But number two, there's a coming calamity that you have to avoid. Now that calamity used to be, it's changed throughout history, which I think is fascinating and it even has been accompanied with dates, you know, predictions and dates that never came to pass. But it would be any number of things. Man made destruction of the planet via pollution, global warming would, would lead to all sorts of catastrophes. Magnetic pole shift has been a very popular one and I would say probably the most popular one is nuclear war. You have to watch out for nuclear war and, and that if humanity can get beyond these hurdles that we might ascend. This is overwhelmingly the narrative that is given to abductee victims. And I think what that does by the way, is blinds them because what's happened is they've experienced something profound. They've been given a terrifying revelation and they've also been told that they're special and chosen. That's a really, really dangerous cocktail in order to even individual. To take someone who is it is,
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Ben
I mean again, it's not to crap on woman. I love my wife, but it's a fe aspect. Like when we're looking at today's cultural maladies, everybody gets a trophy kind of thing.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Right.
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Ben
This is. Everyone's included. The inclusivity idea is a feminine idea. The masculine will come in with order. And that's exactly what Genesis. Genesis, chapter one, verse two, is talking about. It's talking about. So here we go. The Earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. So the deep is translated as teom. And that just means, like, deep waters, primordial waters. And in. In the ancient Hebrew, that's associated with the female. Like, it's Tiamat. It. Well, yeah, yeah. It could be trans, like, you know, mixed with Tiamat. That's like the dragon that we'll see at the end. But it's talking about the. The oceans, the chaotic waters. And out of these oceans comes birth. So this is a female aspect. And it's given that reason. It's given that.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That.
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Ben
That connotation, because out of the female comes these chaotic. They are chaotic water, and out of them comes the birth of a child. It's like new life. So it's not that I want to crap on them. They're absolutely necessary.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's the extremes. On the extreme masculine, you get fascism.
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Ben
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And out of the extreme feminine, you get chaos and disorder. You know, extreme. Extreme masculine is extreme order, which comes with all kinds of horrifying things. And out of the extreme feminine comes equally horrifying things, just have a different flavor.
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Ben
This is, like, one of my favorite. It's my. My favorite verse. And it's like. And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And when you look at that translation, like, he moved upon. But it really says that he just, like, kind of like, stilled it. He just told it to, like.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, all right.
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Ben
Calm down. So he is this masculine force over these chaotic waters, which is necessary, because if it wasn't necessary, God would not create it and it would not exist. This. He would have just gotten rid of it. But it's necessary for some reason, so he moves upon. He's like, he'll calm down. And then we're gonna start making stuff.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Never tell. Chaotic water. Calm down.
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Ben
Yeah. This is the second verse of the Bible. It's. It's insane. It's all right there for you.
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Brandon McGuire
There's another layer to that that's really interesting as well, which is the idea that the way that that's written is as a direct polemic or argument against some of the other ancient Near Eastern cosmologies where you would have had, like, a water deity. And so it's probably operating at multiple levels, but it's the idea of like, our God is the most high and he is over your God. Like, he, like. And they're reading that. They're like, wait, your God is hovering over our, over our water God? Because we thought our water God was the best. No, no, like Yahweh is above and he. And he brings basically ordered out of that chaos that you're talking about, which is actually really cool in the Gospel of Mark and I think some of the others. But I just read it in the Gospel of Mark the other week. Week where when Jesus calms the storm and the response of the disciples is like, they see the connection. They're like, wait, you control weather. You bring order to the chaotic storm. You're at perfect peace, asleep, restful amidst the chaos. And you with the word, with the power of your word, still the chaos and still the waters. Who is this guy? And they basically are beginning to get the idea. So that's one of the cool ways in which Jesus not says. And you know, people say Jesus never claimed to be God. Well, he. We don't have that exact like, quote, but in that action he's saying, is this ringing a bell for you guys? Look at what I can do. Who else can do this? Look at who I am. Does this remind you of that? Exactly the thing that you're talking about there, the, the order out of chaos and the dominion over the creation itself.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I, I want to get to some of this Bledsoe stuff, but I want to.
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Ben
That is fascinating. Sorry. I just love how the Bible will. Just like there's a graph itself.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yes. That show that it's a phenomenon. What's it called that cross referencing yourself? It starts with a C, I forget. But there's like no other book outside of the Bible that does it as consistently as the Bible does it. And when you see it in that graph. Yeah.
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Ben
It's.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's phenomenal.
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Ben
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
You couldn't write a movie or, or, or, you know, a piece of fiction or anything that has. It's almost like callbacks.
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Ben
Yeah.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Constant, constant, constant referencing within itself across all these books, books written by all these people across all this time, constantly cross referencing itself. It's. It's actually phenomenal. I wanted to get your opinion on something, Brandon. So within Christianity, let's say the. I don't want to use a derogatory term, but what's coming to mind is like the watered down version of Christianity that people are typically accustomed with in the west, there is this notion to dismiss other religions, other belief systems as non existent. Which I think in the sense of their gods are not real. Which I think is a fundamental mistake. Because in my opinion the Bible does a great job of highlighting that these other entities, deities that are being worshiped are real. And I don't know where the disconnect came in. I don't know what happened to modern Christianity where people will look at any other religion and say their gods don't exist, their gods are fake. When I think it is much more
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Brandon McGuire
helpful
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
at understanding not only the world that we live in, but also why it's wrong to worship these other gods. Yeah, it's much more helpful to understand that they do exist. Do you see that in, in your communications with people? What do you make of that?
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Brandon McGuire
Yeah, so after this is like, you know, how many years ago now this is 2012, so I'm showing my age. But I went right after college I went to Africa and spent three months there just in this like Africa track thing. Just like basically sleeping in tents, living with local pastors and like really going like deep into the bush. And that was when this point that you're making slapped me in the face. And I realized, oh my word, like all of these animistic spirits and snake spirits and idols that are being worshiped and witch doctors that are governing the local villages, it's not fake, it's not make believe. It's all real. It's just evil.
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Brandon McGuire
But you know, so like I'll give one kind of graphic is, but I think it makes the point clear. There was like a, a wooden idol with a phallus that would be like oiled and the women would basically copulate with this idol in order to be blessed and impregnated with good things. And they actually, through that act, became demon possessed. This was in Intaja Malawi. And so for me, that was such a crazy thing. I'm like, it's just a wood idol. But then the local pastors are explaining to me, no, like, the act, like the sex act is a giving over of the self to the entity. And he uses that as basically a mechanism for impregnating them literally with. With a demon, essentially. And there's all kinds of stuff like that. When a baby's born into these villages, they'll. They'll slice their backs, like, right above their buttocks, and they'll collect that blood in a vial. And they literally have cabinets with vials of blood of all of the. The babies in the village, all under the banner of protection. And. And we're the. We're like the good guys, right? We're the witch doctors. And the babies have, you know, like, they wear charm necklaces there. So, you know, I'll just give one story. Like, we went to this hospital and there was this baby that had. It looked like basically epilepsy. It was like. It was like shaking. And to me, I don't know, I have no paradigm for any of this. So I'm just like, oh, this is so sad. Like, I've never seen a baby, like, not well, like this before in my whole life. I just, you know, see babies that are just calm and healthy or just crying and you change the diaper and then they stop. But this was like, really, like, really disturbing to see and. But I don't really know what else to make of it. So, like, you know, we're kind of just there, we're praying for the family, the baby and this type of thing. And my friend next to me, Daniel, is Spanish, he's from Spain. And his mom was basically a witch before he became a Christian. So he grew up in a household deeply ensconced in the occult. And all of a sudden he's like, oh, my word. He's like, I know what this is. And I'm like, what do you mean? And he. It was actually beautiful. He just like, takes action and reaches out and just breaks the necklace off of the baby's neck and then just puts his hand onto the baby's head and just begins to cast out the demon. And he just, you know, he says, I know who you are, and I rebuke you in Jesus, mighty name, and I command you to leave this child alone. You must leave now, in the powerful name of Jesus, this. And the baby literally goes calm. And we were like, whoa, what in the world is this? And again, I'm thinking, you know, I still have this like modernistic sort of like skeptical lens that I'm looking at this as like you said, however you put it, kind of just a vanilla, ordinary, boring American Christian, whatever. So I'm just looking at this and I'm like, you know, but maybe it's like the heat of his hand on the, like, the warmth of his hand on the baby's head just felt good. And like I'm kind of just trying to like deep spiritualize it, you know, which is like, shame on me, right? But that's just the truth of how I was thinking about it at the time. And then what was really cool is the next day we came back to the same hospital to do like grounds work, cleaning up the facility and that type of thing. And that doctor who was there came out and he was like beaming and he's like, my brother, I have to tell you, this baby is feeling very fine all the time ever since you pray. And we were just like, whoa. So we got that like that confirmation from him that, that what happened there was real and it was permanent and whatever was causing the baby to tremble, tremble, like that was gone. And so that was the first time I saw like an exorcism. And then that trip included a lot more of that, like even some mass exorcisms that we got to see firsthand. And this one village, like a thousand year old snake spirit where everyone was literally slithering on the ground and, and the girl who I was talking to said, she said that she had snakes in her belly. And I mean, it took four hours. It took four hours to cast out all of these demons. And they even started like taking off their skirts and like trying to distract the pastors with sexuality. And it was like the craziest thing. And so, yeah, all of. Sorry, all of that. Just to say for me that was the tipping point of realizing that there is no such thing as just an idol. Like, like all of those things come into existence because if the person who made it is looking for connection with something and believing something and wanting to worship something, and the devil is never going to like let someone just do, do like a, like a purely materialistic form of idol worship. It's like great if you're opening yourself up to, if you're desiring to point your affection and your attention and your worship towards this thing, I would love to use that I would love to get in the mix of that. And so, so, yeah, my, My worldview now is exactly what you're saying. Like, Allah is real. The God of Mormonism is real. The gods of Hinduism are real. They're all. They're all real. And they're. And it's also so profound because it's like they directly go against the actual God, like the. The one true God. They go like. Like. I'm actually reading this book right now where I. I lead, like, the online community called the Wisdom Society.
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Brandon McGuire
Listen today, and we're reading this book called Seeking a Law, Finding Jesus by Nabil Qureshi. And in this book, he talked. And I'm not trying to sell this book. I didn't write it. He actually. He actually passed away. And he's an amazing. He actually did interview him in my documentary. He's an amazing, amazing, smart, brilliant, and has all the Eastern mindset. It's a genius on understanding Islam and communicating what's wrong with it.
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Ben
It.
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Brandon McGuire
And in this book, he writes about how Islam directly attacks Christian ideas. It says, God is not a father and he doesn't have a son. And if you really think about it, it's like, that's a really specific thing for Allah to be saying, like. Like thou doth protest too much, right? But then if you think about it from the context that you're saying, like an, a. A spiritual warfare perspective, it's like, of course Allah would put a bullseye on the back of the God of Christianity. And pre program all people under Islam towards the idea that God is not a father and he doesn't have a son. So that when they end up hearing about Christianity by missionaries across the last, you know, the next thousand years, they go, oh, this is like in defiance with what is true. Like, God is not a father and he doesn't have a son. We've been taught that from a young age. So to me, that makes so much sense on the view that like the entity that Muhammad met in the cave when he was in isolation and fasting, the entity that when he first experienced it, it made him want to go to the top of a mountain and throw himself out. He literally was suicidal. He went to his third wife or his, I think, actually, sorry, his third, I think he went to his first wife and she says, hey, you know, maybe it's not such a bad thing. Why don't you go back? And then he's like, like, okay, yeah, maybe this is good. Maybe I should start a religion. But his first response was he said he felt like his neck was going to snap and he wanted to climb to a high mountain and he wanted to throw himself off. In fact, he, he wanted to commit suicide three times, according to the hadith, upon his initial interaction with Gabriel, who gave me a break. Right. So the point, the point is, yes, I agree with you. It's not just like psychological, you know, beliefs, hey, what if we start a religion called Islam? No, no, there's a real encounter, a real interaction with an entity that Muhammad had and it gave him an Antichrist message. The Apostle Paul talks about this in the Bible. If any spirit, even an angel. Paul explicitly says that even if an angel comes to you and tells you a message different than this one, consider that spirit to be Antichrist. And lo and behold, Gabriel, an angel comes to Muhammad and says, God is not a father and he doesn't have a son. So it was predicted by Paul and it, and it happened in Islam. And that's just one example. If you look at Mormonism, it's very similar. And if you, you know, if you go to like the Eastern, like Hinduism and, and these types of things, it's. I think it's the same story. If you go to, you know, Mesoamerica, it's the same story. It's like, I just think it's all over the place. Like, they're like, there is a spiritual world and we're living in it. And like, we've already said there's, there's good guys and bad guys and I Just don't think that, like, world religions are going to be happening in a vacu vacuum that is separate from the actual cosmic battle between good and evil.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
All right, man, that, that. You said a lot of fascinating things, dude.
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Ben
And I'll never apologize for telling us stories like that. No, that's what this show is really about. At the heart of the show.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, so, so, I mean, you're talking about being in Africa and you know, you mentioned like Mesoamerica, India and everything. They have these, these principalities over them, these, these spiritual powers that have really captured these nations. And yeah, a lot of people look at the things that they do and they think that they're nonsense, you know, because to us, especially in the West, a lot of their ceremonies and rituals, their dances and their, their practices look insane. And I guess in some ways it's. It's because they are. You know, you're doing a crazy thing for a fallen entity. How? Two things. How old were you when you went to Africa and maybe even why?
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Brandon McGuire
After college, I was like 21. And it was, yeah, it was like a three month missions trip through a organization called Operation Mobilization. And it was just all about like, going alongside with the local churches and all these little tiny nowhere communities and just like, and just getting to experience what life is like for them, working alongside them. A lot of like, you know, funny things like drama and comedy and skits and stuff for the kids and just playing and just trying to be the hands and feet of Christ. A lot of like, you know, practical, like, food and, and that type of thing and a lot of, you know, preaching of the gospel and like, things that are hokey in America, like going door to door. It's like, oh, don't do that. It's so on the nose there. They're like, oh, my word, we have someone from Obama land, like, come into our home. Like, this is amazing. Like, let's talk to you. And it's like totally chill and they give you a little something and you just talk for hours and explain the, like, we're here for this reason. Like, we, we believe this and we want you to know this because we believe it's. It's true and it's the best thing. It's the best news. And so it's just. Yeah, I mean, it's basically a missions trip, in short. But then what was surprising was, oh, my word, we are not in Kansas anymore. Like, it is all exterior and on display and in your face and undeniably paradigm shifting in terms of the reality of the spiritual world and the, like I said, the externalization of the spiritual battle where it's like witch doctors, verse, pastors, and it's a showdown and you're like seeing it happen, like in a way that in the west, everything. Because Lady Reason has, for the time being, won the day. And because, you know, the biggest trick that the devil ever played is convincing us that he doesn't exist. And because neither was right when he said that, you know, God is dead, we've killed him. Beautiful. That's better. Better to be in shadow, better to be subversive. Better to operate against people without them even knowing that you are. This is fantastic. The devil loves the modern West. It's very easy to operate in the shadow in a subversive way. In Africa. It's not like that. It's like everybody leaves in the spiritual, you know, they, they described it to me like, they're like their consciousness is shaped like this and western consciousness is shaped like this. And that's how it is. Like, everyone's just wide open to it. So it's like, okay, then where's the power at? And the beautiful thing, I could tell you guys all kinds of stories where the Holy Spirit is just like, I'm still in charge buddies. And he just like showcases his power over demons and it's just amazing to see. I'll tell you one story if you guys are, if you guys like this, okay, so this guy Fredson, who's just, I mean, I, I just first got to say, living in a mud hut, 40 cents a day is like his total amount of money that he has through his, you know, you know, missionary fund. All he does from sun up to sundown is preach the gospel. He, he goes this direction and goes and talks to them to, to the Muslims over here. He goes over here and talks to the animus. He is just a single guy who's just all out. Blood, sweat and tears. That's all he's doing. And I don't even know where he gets the stamina. And so, you know, we're along with him, we're like, how many more miles are we going to walk? He's like, my friend, we have six more miles, but you'll be fine. Just just learn to pray, my friend. Learn to pray. And I'm like, oh my goodness, this guy's crazy. So just this legendary guy, right?
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Ben
Right.
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Brandon McGuire
So he starts telling us some stories about, you know, his, his life, his mission, etc, and there was a time when he was going into basically a totally unreached area. It was like a witch doctor village, like a hub, almost like a witch doctor boot camp, if you will. And so he goes there, and they are totally closed off to him, like, spiritually. They can understand that he is a Christian, and they're totally hostile. They don't talk to him, whatever. But he basically, there's like a. A. An area that's like about a mile or whatever. So. So from there, and he gets a little, Like, a little hut there that's like a neighboring village, and he knows somebody there. So he's like, I'm gonna, like, sleep the night here, and then I'll walk back in in the morning and try to reach them again the next day. Right, right. So in the middle of the night, all of a sudden, he wakes up to snakes coming down the hut, and they're like poisonous snakes. And he basically realizes, like, oh, the witch doctors have, like, put snakes into my. Into my hut to kill me, and I. I'll totally butcher it. But, like, the way he tells the story is so amazing. He goes, I just pray to God, and I just reach out, out and touch this snake. And the snake just goes to sleep, like. Like, wait, wait, wait, what happened? And he goes. And then I just see the other one, and God just says, I have given you power. And I just touched the other snake, and it goes to sleep. And so basically, he just touches these snakes and they all just die. And then the next day, he goes back to the witch doctor, the witch doctors with the snakes. And he goes, my friend, I think you have left something with me. And he just give. And they're like. And they're, like, shocked. They're like, you know, who are you? And what is this power that you hold? And then, yeah, then I tell them, I'm with God, and the Holy Spirit is more powerful than you. And basically this entire boot camp of witch doctors comes to Christ, and. Yeah. And they become pastors. So it's. It's really cool.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
That's huge. Because they. They don't have to cross the barrier of understanding that the spiritual realm is real. They're. They're dealing with it constantly. All you have to do in that particular instance is show them. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what you're doing. Great, fine. That's all good. The Holy Spirit is way more powerful than what you're doing.
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Ben
And they go, oh, okay, you change sides.
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And they just come up because, well, so what does this entire experience do? I'm curious, because I'm trying to frame this within this Western truncated version of Christianity. And and what it could potentially do for them, these people here, here in America, to have a deeper understanding of the nature of the spiritual realm.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
What did, seeing all of this and, and interacting with it and, you know, having it be right in front of your face. How did it change your faith? What did it do for your faith? Because you said when you first showed up you were, you know, rationalizing. Yeah, maybe the hands are warm and it's soothing the baby and, and which is, you know, I, I get it. It's, it, it's a fail on some parts, but it's really just a product of, of where we live in the paradigm that we're in, the materialistic paradigm that we're talking about. How did this have an effect on your, what did it do to your faith?
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Brandon McGuire
Oh yeah, it, it obviously, like I said, really brought the pages of the New Testament to life for me in, in a different way where I realized that there is no, like, we're, we are in a continuation of the Book of Acts. Like we are in the same story as the Bible and we're living in a reality between the Book of Acts and the Book of Revelation basically, and the mission that we've been given to bring light into darkness, to advance the kingdom of heaven and to proclaim the, the message of the cross is the same message that started in the Book of Acts. And we kind of see this, some inklings and things of how it all goes down in Revelation. And we're in the middle of it. And so it really helped me, like, see that, like, wow, these guys are doing the work of the kingdom here in Africa. And it's just a little bit more, like I said, external, but you can really see it, like, even like that story that I just told. Oh, there's a little. Now there is yet another kingdom outpost out somewhere outside in Taji Malawi, where there was not because of Fredson being willing to go to the witch doctor boot camp. That's. That is the kingdom of heaven advancing. And then it's just inspiring in terms of your faith. One, you're like, wow, God is. Jesus is so powerful and he's so good, and he's the name above all names. And so you just see that. You're just like, wow, like, there is truly power under the banner of Jesus. And in the name of Jesus, there is power. And so you just. You see that firsthand and you're like, okay, then, like, how does that change the way that I live my life? Really? Just taking everything out of the theoretical, out of the doctrinal, out of the theological and into, okay, here's my life. It's really short. Like the Bible says, it's a vapor. It's the blink of an eye. We're all inside of this crazy human experience on planet Earth. And it really just like, solidified a lot of things for me. Like, like, I've gotta go. Like, what am I doing with my life if not. If not as best I can, participating in that mission of. Of bringing the light into the darkness and basically, like, being on Team Jesus. Like, I'm like, basically just at the end of that, I was like, I'm all in. Like, I'm on Team Jesus. Do whatever you want with me. I'm like, I'm all in. Is really, like, how that. That trip left me in terms of just like, mission vision, identity. Just like, this is what I want to do with my life. I want to. I want to. I want to be a part of this kingdom and a part of this mission because it's so much more fun than just trying to, like, build up the 401k or whatever other, like, aspiration you might have, you know, in life. So that was a huge part of it. And then you had a second question, or does that answer your question?
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I forgot I asked how it. How it affected your faith. And, and, you know, your explanation was what I suspected. And I just think that it's such a. It's such a bummer here. Number one, that's awesome. And number two, it's contractually, it's such a bummer that, you know, in the west we're so detached from the spiritual realm that when a thing happens, number one, it has the ability to deceive you, right? Because what previously was non existent has now presented itself to you in some
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Ben
way, shape or form, glamour.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And it's so profound, dude. And. And it really is, right? Spiritual events are so profound, especially when you've been taught that they don't exist. But the other thing that it does is it makes the fear so potent because, you know, in the Bible it says over and over again, do not fear. Do not be discouraged, fear not. Over and over and over again. And it's like, who said that fear is the mind killer? I'm going to go ahead and quote somebody whom I can't remember at the moment, but when you have that fear, it's like you don't. Fear does a great job of messing up the mental faculties, so you don't know how to progress. And we've been given a playbook, right, on how to deal with these things, how to test spirits, how to cast them out, all these things. But you don't go to that right away when you're caught up in fear, which I think is a great, great ploy by the enemy, right? It's like, keep them in darkness and then when you do expose yourself, keep them in fear. And the fear just keeps them out of the authority that they have over this dark spiritual realm in the name of Jesus Christ. And, you know, in here in America, myself included, I'll come up against things that I think are, you know, maybe it's witchcraft, maybe it's, it's, you know, deceptive, unclean spirits that are doing this thing or that thing to me, I've had a long life of strange events I come from. I think it's generational iniquity. You talked about Joseph. What was his name?
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Brandon McGuire
Joseph Jordan.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Joseph Jordan, the MUFON investigator who's great source of information on the topic. And, and you mentioned that he thinks a great deal of this has to do with generational iniquity by way of occult practices. That's very much my story. So a lot of these things have had access to me throughout my childhood. And, and even though I've experienced a lot, I still experience some hesitation. You know, there is a little bit of fear in Africa. It doesn't seem like they have the fear. This is so normal to them.
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Ben
And it speaks to, like when you, when we read we're Reading about Elijah, it's like he's. He's sleeping, and an angel shows up and makes him breakfast, and he's like, whatever. And he goes back to sleep because. And usually angels show up and they're like, hey, if you're not. I know I look crazy. Like, don't be scared. And he's just like, dude, not now. And it's like, maybe that's how we're supposed to be behaving with the supernatural. And especially in today's day and age, when we're coming up on. That's what it just feels like. That's why I feel like that's the. This is why we're at such odds with, like, an Albarino. Because I'm like, we're right there.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
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Ben
And if you're not looking at this thing and you're not like, I think. I think we're supposed to look at these things that come and go. I know something greater, you know? Yeah. Like, thanks for the tech. Thanks for the phone. But, like, you know, I. I serve a better God.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
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Ben
Way better. Like, you don't impress me at all. As a matter of fact, I'm not even gonna flinch. And I. I hope when I. I'm saying that that I. I actually behave that way because I know it'll be a different story. When you're seeing something, it's hard.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
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Ben
Face to face. But these people in Africa, they're completely awoken.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
They're not idea.
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Ben
They're not bothered at all by the
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
existence of the spiritual realm. They're engaging with it on a regular basis. I think we could benefit greatly from that, although I don't know what sort of time we have to start engaging with the spiritual realm on a regular basis. There are. This is the thing that kind of bums me out, too, is I have a tendency to argue with pagans and Wiccans and New Age practitioners. And the problem is, most of these people have had a profound spiritual experience, so they no longer have to deal with the idea of, is this real? And that's a great hurdle to get past. But the stumbling block I think that they're encountering is by nature or by virtue of having this experience. They then think that they understand the nature of the experience because the experience
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Ben
has told them what it is.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And that's a huge problem. And that's something that I find a lot of Christians are. Are disarmed. They're not equipped for that kind of a fight. Where these people. I. You know, I'm not trying to give Them credit, but I'll use the expression, you know, to credit them where credit is due, are actually engaging with the phenomenon. They're actually engaging with the spiritual realm. And so at the very least, what that's done is it's removed that layer of hesitancy that certainly has been removed for people in Africa. But it's the same thing for alien abductee experiencers, right? They, they're taken and they're given a narrative by this thing. They no longer have to question, is the phenomenon real? Is it actually taking place? And a lot of Christians are staying starting in this place where it's, it's a non starter. They can't even engage with the idea of this phenomenon because they've never had a spiritual experience in their life. Or if they have, they've shrunk it down. And, and I want to get your thoughts on this, Brandon. In the Bible, it seems that all these different books, all these different people, you know, Daniel in particular is a great example. God doesn't treat, treat a supernatural experience the way that we in the west treat our supernatural experiences. We tend to push them to the side because they don't fit our materialistic paradigm. Maybe they're a cool story to tell around a campfire.
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Ben
It is funny working out of the coffee shop. Like when we do talk to regular people, like what do you guys do? And then we say, well, we talk about supernatural experience like this or that. And they go, oh yeah, like that's happened to me.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
People. It's anyway. And a lot of people.
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Ben
And then they get coffee and leave and it's just like, no, no, that's like a bookmark in your life.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yes. And that's what I'm getting at. The Bible seems to highlight those moments, right? Daniel having visions or Daniel seeing a disembodied hand, you know, writing some unknown language on a wall or something. Like these are things that you might tell around the campfire as a weird thing that happened to you in your life. And it seems like God is like, no, no, no, no. That's actually very important.
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Ben
Yeah, that's the thing.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
And, and so I don't know, what are your thoughts on that? The way that people compartmentalize their experiences. You, you, you had a, a gang of them in, in Africa.
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Brandon McGuire
Yeah, I think it's interesting. I think maybe one. I'm trying to think of how to break this down. Like maybe one through line is that, is that I'm, I'm convinced that the demonic wants attention and wants affection and like once, like Whether knowingly or unknowingly, people to just kind of like Tyler
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Brandon McGuire
Wherever you get your podcasts, pay heed to it, right? But I think that at the same time that, you know, God will, will use anything like that for good. And I can think of a couple examples like where I forgot her name, but there was a lady who was talking about how all of these like satanic ritual abuse survivors who have now come to Christ are now, although they were originally supposed to be like super soldiers in this like evil way, are now basically super soldiers in the kingdom of light and prayer warriors. And they just like have such an awareness of like what's going on in that category that they're are basically just like amazing ambassadors for Christ, you know, and that would be, that would be one example I can think about, you know, even I guess I'll do, I'll make this quick, but one other story from Africa that kind of directly relates to this is, and it's a little bit less spiritual. But the point, you'll see the point here is I, at the end of the whole time there was this thing called the Love Africa Conference and all the different like little places that we had gone to all kind of gathered for this conference. So it was really cool because for me it was an opportunity. The last little bit of skepticism in me me was like, went away because of this where I was able to see, for example, Fredson and then I was able to meet a couple of the pastors who were the former witch doctors who he described in that story. So now I'm able to hear the story from his perspective and actually like look at this guy and see that. And there was another one like that where at this conference, there was a guy that I met who had, like, his arm. He was missing his arm from, like, the shoulder down. And it wasn't a tidy fix. It was like a kind of a, you know, jagged. His arm was, you know, had been lopped off, basically. And I'm, like, talking to him. I'm really connecting with him. Really awesome guy. And at some point, I'm like. I'm like, what's the story, you know, with your arm? And he basically goes on to tell me, I. I come from a little bit more north, right at the nexus of Islam and Christianity. And our church was raided by Muslim extremists, and they. They butchered my entire family. And they all died. And our entire church died, except for a few survivors. And I'm one of the few survivors. But in the process, I. I lost my arm. And I'm like. I'm, like, shocked. You know, that's like. That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. And he goes, but, you know, what's really amazing is once I was healed up enough, I went straight back to them, and I was limping, too, because I did something to his leg, and I proclaimed the gospel to them. And he goes. And that actually changed their hearts because they didn't understand, why would you come back to me? And I'm like. I'm like, is this true? I'm like. And I'm like. And it was fruitful. Like, they actually. He goes, yes, they. They were confused, shocked, and curious, and I began to develop relationships with them. And slowly the gospel penetrated into, though, the community of people who had. Who had, you know, violently jihad it against us. And I'm like, that's amazing. And he goes, oh, in fact, you know, come over here, Muhandu. And his buddy comes up, and he goes, yeah, he was one of the people who killed my mom. And now. Yeah, and now he's there, and he's like a fellow pastor working with this guy. And so my point about that is what the devil intends for evil, God uses for good. And it's when. Whether it's a spiritual encounter that's negative and evil, like in the satanic ritual abuse context, or whether it's just a physical. I mean, it's still demonic, I believe. Like, jihad is demonic. Yeah. And so whether it's that. It's the. It's the response. It's the Jesus response to evil that is the most powerful thing in the world. Like, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church, right? And so it's when. It's when you respond to in like manner as what Christ did. Father, forgive them. They know not what they do. As his flesh is being torn apart, he's being mocked, ridiculed, and the sin of the world is being dumped upon him. And he says, father, forgive them. They don't know what they're doing. Like, that is that. That is like the power of the cross, right? Is that he has given us his spirit, which allows us to operate in that way. And when you see people live it out, it's like. Like something's different here. Like there is something about what is fueling you as a human being that's real and different. And it's. And, and so, yeah, I guess I mentioned that because I think that's also true with the spiritual encounter. Stuff like, basically, simply put, whatever. Whatever the enemy of God intends for evil, God can use that very same thing and use it for good. And, and the, the encounter, the attack, whatever. It was like, even your story, like, you're probably equipped for the mission that you're on more so based on the things that you experienced in your life. You're now like a double agent. Like, you've seen that, you've experienced that, and now you're like on a mission against it. And you're not. You're less likely to be deceived by it because you've in a sense, been inoculated against it through the exposures that you had earlier in life. And so I just think that's one of the.
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Ben
He behaves like that. One of the. One of the. We don't really argue, but one of the arguments that we did have, we had had some sort of weird spiritual attack with a. An ex friend in the space. And I don't know, might have been some witchcraft involved that was actually taking place on me. Really threw my life for a loop. We had a falling out with this person. And David goes, I'm gonna go and reach out to him. And I go, hey, last time I got close to something like this, it cost me like tens of thousands of dollars. My wife got sick. And I go, for me, my personality type is like. Like, ain't worth it. I know it's not. It's not Christ. Like, but I'm like, I got something to build here. Like, we were just starting to really build Nephilim Death Squad and, And I could start to see what it's. What it's going to become. And I still don't think it really is Bloom.
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Brandon McGuire
But not.
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Ben
Not the point. I was just like, hey, we got stuff to do here. Yeah, me, us, you. Let's go. And he's like, no, that guy. We got to go out there. And I was like, hey, if you do that and something happens, I'm like, yeah, is it. Is it worth it? Are we. Are we weighing the cost? And I know that that's, like, an earthly idea, and I. Maybe I got to get rid of that, but it's something that I do still struggle with, even. Even with the Albarino thing. Is like, is this worth the cost, or am I just gonna. Like, I got stuff to do here. I can't be.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
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Ben
Damn, this guy gets his arm cut off. It's.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's really crazy. Barely puts things into perspective, but, like, I. I had seen so much of it, and it was very similar to, like, the witch doctors, right? Where it's like. Like, oh, wait, because I already know all that other stuff exists. And then it's like, wait, the Holy Spirit is more powerful than all that. Then it doesn't matter. I don't have anything to fear. And then over and over again, in scripture, it says, do not be discouraged, you know, because, you know, the Lord our God goes before us and prepares the way and holds us in the palm of his hand and all these different things. So, like, yeah, it's all good, But I love that that dude in this remote area of Africa has this experience, and then we get to have that experience bleed into, you know, our audience. They. They get to hear that. Because that's an unbelievable story. That's a powerful story, man. That's hard. I. I don't think that I could do that. You know, this guy helped kill my mother.
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Ben
That's wild.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I mean, like, that's like that.
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Ben
For me, That's a line.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
There's a lot. Yeah, but I mean, for this guy, he's like, yeah, my arm. Yeah, my mom. But what's more important, the gospel, the good news, you know, that. That Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Like, that's what's more important than any of these. And he's right. He's right. And I just think, man, there's something
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Ben
about, yeah, dude, I suck. That's really what.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Well, we. We started this conversation talking about the comforts of the west and how it's made us blind to evil.
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Ben
And we didn't talk about Epstein, really, which is upsetting. I'm sorry.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
It's fine. I. This I'm. I. This is much more valuable for people to hear that kind of testimony. I love when we do testimony. Testimony, whether it's, you know, yours, Brandon, or. Or you sharing these people and their stories. Because that's, I think, the point, you know, none of us have to be. You talked earlier about not knowing the stuff that we know, and we don't know the stuff that, you know, to be perfectly honest. But what we all have is this testimony, and I think that that's. I've talked about that before. It's like we're all being called, you know, and. And how do you answer that call? What's that look like? Do you have to be this expert in scripture? Do you have to be an expert in alien stuff and all these different things? It's like, no, dude, you all you have to do. You don't need a camera, you don't need lights, you don't need a podcast. You just need to share your testimony and how Jesus Christ called you and saved you. That's. That's really all you. We've been armed with that thing, this thing that we hold that's unique to us. If it resonates with one person out there, then the job is done. But that's. That's what you have. You don't have to have all this other stuff. So. So I just. I'm so pumped that. That our audience got to hear that. That was a crazy. A crazy story. Brandon, I want to respect your time, and I want to thank you for being here. I do have one final question.
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Ben
We do.
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Brandon McGuire
The time flew, you guys. I can't believe that was. Was that two hours? That was a good time.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Before we get out of here, somebody
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Ben
in the comments said. They said this guy has the best dad jokes. 100.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
He's also got the best mustache. Mustache. So people have been freaking out over how awesome your mustache is. Before we get out of here, this is something that we like to ask everybody who's on the show, and everybody has such a unique and awesome response to it. Typically, sometimes we'll get somebody who's a little bit. So in all your pursuits, everything that you're doing, you've been to Africa and your youth and. And now you've turned this corner where, you know, you've been unpacking the gospel and philosophy and all these different things, and now maybe there's something different in the future in regards to maybe Epstein and aliens. Just the way that the world is turning. Are you. Are you having fun?
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Brandon McGuire
Oh, yeah. I. I'm Having a blast. It's so cool. Like, I know you guys probably feel the same way, that. But to be able to, to focus in on this kind of work and for it to be actually sustainable financially where you're like, oh, I don't have to do this like, like on the side while I'm working 40, 50 hours a week to, you know, to pay my bills in order to like, pour myself into these topics that I really care about. But to be able to be like, okay, this literally is what I'm doing with my life, like, I'm, I'm literally all in on trying to get the word out about these important topics. And like I said, like, we, you know, we have different, like, specificities, but there is a lot of overlap. Like, ultimately we're taking probably, you know, different angles or approaches that ultimately like the same mission, I think it seems like. And so, yeah, it's amazing. I'm having, I'm having a blast. I, I try to hold it loosely and just say, like, okay, God, like, if I'm demonetized or it all ends tomorrow, like, glory to your name and what's the next mission you got me to go on? But for as long as I'm able to do this and call it work, where it's really so directly connected to like, what I actually care about, it's amazing. And I just feel like, like tremendously privileged. And I'm sure you guys do as well to be able to do things that you would want to do even if it wasn't work, if that makes sense. Like, yeah, like, it's like, it's missional. Like, it's literally like a mission that we're on. And through the crazy invention of YouTube and microphones, we're able to like, do that mission in a capacity that we can do it it in a dedicated manner. Like, we can be all in on that without again, like, having to be tent makers who also get the word
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
out, you know, you said coming at the same thing from different angles, right? The, the, the commonality here is, is the truth and Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. And so I, I always say if you're earnestly seeking the truth, you're going to end up at Christ. And so, yeah, man, we're coming at the same thing from, like, slightly different angles. And, and I agree. Every day I, I feel immensely blessed and I say the same thing. I'm like, dude, if it all ends, what an unbelievable season in my life that I get to do this to any degree. You know.
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Ben
So there we go.
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Brandon McGuire
It'll be a good story for the grandkids, right? Like, hey, there was a time back when I was like 30 something where like, believe it or not, there's this thing called YouTube. Yeah.
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Ben
A show called Nephilim Death Squad.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
One psychotic show for psychotic people.
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Ben
But bizarre. Man, I'm glad. I'm glad you're having fun. I had fun on this episode.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
I think this is great.
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Ben
It's tremendous. And thank you for giving us your time. Dude, this was a amazing. I think you blessed our audience and us.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah.
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Ben
Gave me something to think about.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Where do people find. Find your work again before we get out of here.
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Brandon McGuire
Yeah. The YouTube channel is just called Daily Dose of Wisdom. If you type in Daily Dose of Wisdom, it'll pull up. And if you go to dailydoseofwisdom.com that'll take you to. For those who are interested in like joining like a of bunch book club or a bible study or that type of thing, I have like an online community that you can access through dailydose of wisdom.com and there's also like merch and all the things, but it's not nearly as cool as Yalls merch. So maybe just the community and the YouTube channel.
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Ben
Thank you, man. Appreciate that. All right, guys, great episode. We'll see you later today.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
Yeah, we'll be back soon.
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Ben
And until then, don't forget to obey, submit and comply.
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Brandon McGuire
Goodbye.
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Ben
Do it again. The end is written in the book.
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David Lee Corbo (The Raven)
In the pages they for.
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Ben
Desperate.
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