Dave Smith on God, Liberty & Politics: Unreleased Throwback | Nephilim Death Squad

Summary

Nephilim Death Squad: Dave Smith on God, Liberty & Politics - Unreleased Throwback

Release Date: July 20, 2025

In this throwback episode of Nephilim Death Squad, hosts Top Lobsta and Raven revisit their previous interaction with Dave Smith, delving deep into the intricate interplay between God, liberty, and politics. This detailed summary encapsulates the hosts' reflections, insights, and the challenges faced during their conversation with Dave Smith.

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1. Introduction to the Throwback Episode

The episode kicks off with Top Lobsta and Raven setting the stage for a reflective discussion on their earlier episode featuring Dave Smith. They express a mix of nostalgia and critique, aiming to unpack the complexities that surfaced during their initial conversation.

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2. Revisiting the Dave Smith Conversation

a. Context of the Original Interview

Top Lobsta recounts the impetus behind inviting Dave Smith onto the show—a desire to explore how concepts of God and liberty intersect within political paradigms. He remarks:

"[54:55] Host 1: ...I'm trying to have a conversation about God with you."

b. Challenges Faced During the Interview

Raven shares his frustrations with the original interview, highlighting technical issues and Dave Smith's defensive responses:

"[56:24] Host 1: ...it's like trying to grab that, like, really wet soap..."

"[57:24] Host 1: ...We were wading into more like religious spiritual waters and conspiratorial waters is when I started to pipe up..."

c. Dave Smith's Debate Tactics

The hosts draw parallels between their experience with Dave Smith and his debates with other figures like Douglas Murray. They critique the adversarial nature of these debates, emphasizing that Dave Smith often rejects premises without engaging constructively.

"[53:07] Guest Speaker: ...I have the right to talk about whatever the hell I want..."

"[56:10] Host 1: ...it's about Jews."

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3. Analytical Insights

a. The Nature of Modern Debates

Top Lobsta and Raven delve into the mechanics of contemporary debates, arguing that they often devolve into tactics aimed at undermining opponents rather than fostering genuine understanding.

"[57:56] Host 2: ...it's extremely deceitful."

"[58:28] Host 1: ...if you go there and you start having that conversation, especially with people that you don't know and trust that intimately."

b. The Intersection of Spirituality and Liberty

The hosts explore the theological underpinnings of libertarianism, questioning why figures like Dave Smith seemingly sidestep discussions about God despite advocating for liberty.

"[68:53] Host 2: ...do whatever you want, but these are the repercussions of your actions."

"[73:03] Host 1: ...good for the greater good of people."

c. Personal Reflections on Host Interactions

Both hosts reflect on their personal experiences and expectations when engaging with guests, emphasizing the importance of mutual understanding and respect.

"[80:35] Host 1: ...I was unable to package this in a way that was palatable for the person."

"[81:44] Host 2: ...I was just trying to have a conversation about God with you."

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4. Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Dave Smith on Expert Opinions:

  "[53:13] Guest Speaker: ...you have to at least do the courtesy of visiting it."

  This quote underscores Dave Smith's stance on the necessity of firsthand experience before forming opinions on complex issues.

• On the Futility of Certain Debates:

  "[56:54] Host 2: ...it's just like, this is not going to change your mind."

  Raven highlights the often circular nature of debates where true understanding remains elusive.

• On Libertarianism and Moral Boundaries:

  "[77:38] Host 2: ...you need moral boundaries."

  This statement critiques the libertarian emphasis on personal liberty without adequate ethical constraints.

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5. Conclusion and Forward Look

Wrapping up the session, Top Lobsta and Raven acknowledge the limitations of their previous conversation with Dave Smith but express a continued commitment to exploring profound topics. They anticipate that future discussions will benefit from the lessons learned, aiming for more meaningful and productive engagements.

"[84:35] Host 1: ...the conversation went. It was like for some reason a shield was going up at the mention of it."

The hosts leave listeners with a sense of introspection, encouraging a deeper examination of how spiritual beliefs intersect with political ideologies in shaping societal dynamics.

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This unreleased throwback episode offers a candid and critical look into the challenges of fostering meaningful dialogue on weighty subjects. Top Lobsta and Raven's introspection provides valuable insights for listeners interested in the nuanced intersections of theology, liberty, and politics within contemporary discourse.

Transcript

[Host 1]

And too much.

[Host 2]

Top Lobster Productions.

[Guest Speaker]

We are being hypnotized by people like this. News readers, politicians, teachers, lecturers. We are in a country and in a world that is being run by unbelievably sick people. The chasm between what we told is going on and what is really going.

[Host 2]

On is absolutely enormous. Oh yeah, dude, there's some Nephilim.

[Host 1]

It's like we all know what's going down, but no one's saying what happened to the home of the Braves. And everybody's just walking around heading the clouds and want to wake to a dead in the grave. By then it's too late. We need to be ready to raise up. Welcome to the end of day. Everybody is slave. Only some are aware that the government releasing poison in the end. Welcome back, Patreon subscribers to an impromptu. Whatever this is. I don't know what this is.

[Host 2]

What's going on?

[Host 1]

We were supposed to be here to do an ad read or not.

[Host 2]

Patreon. Plug the Patreon.

[Host 1]

Oh, they're in it, though. They're literally. They are the patreon.com backslash nephilim death squad where you guys already are. And continue to enjoy the. The very many perks of.

[Host 2]

If you guys are here, create a second email joining.

[Host 1]

Double up, pay twice subscriptions.

[Host 2]

Oh, we're gonna.

[Host 1]

We're supposed to. To do a read for Bohemian Grove. And. And Top said, why don't we record that? Or rather do it.

[Host 2]

I said, do it live.

[Host 1]

Yeah, we're gonna do it live. Which is going to be hard. It's not gonna be easy. I've seen videos of you try to do ad reads before. You left them in Streamyard. And I was watching them one time and it was very funny. I had.

[Host 2]

I was watching you struggle through it. Yeah, I watched you struggle through. I popped in one time. I think you guys popped in. You and Jack popped in. You were like, this sucks.

[Host 1]

I'm like, it's not easy, dude.

[Host 2]

It's like, gotta take my J's off. All right.

[Host 1]

You gotta take your. You have them on. Well, I guess I have my sneakers on too. Are you gonna show them off? What a disrespectful animal.

[Host 2]

You are nice though, right?

[Host 1]

They are really nice. That's. I think I like those maybe the most of the ones you showed me. I haven't gotten.

[Host 2]

The snakeskin ones are very nice.

[Host 1]

I just have. I. This is how much. Here, I'll show the Patreon what's wrong with me. Hold on.

[Host 2]

This is why we need more Patreon.

[Host 1]

I just buying Pokemon cards.

[Host 2]

Just dropping.

[Host 1]

I'm just buying Pokemon cards.

[Host 2]

It's actually funny. My wife did tell me, like, she's like, every day, like, so I've gotten like a bunch of Jordans. And she was like, so you're just becoming a now. And I'm like, that's it.

[Host 1]

You're just becoming the thing that you've rallied against for as long.

[Host 2]

Listen, the shoes are really nice. They're. They're very nice. Okay.

[Host 1]

Fashion. They do good for fashion.

[Host 2]

Fashion, yeah. Gotta get some Yeezys. All right, listen, guys, come on, let's get serious here. So this is on the schedule today? Yeah, we're gonna do an ad read. I don't know how we're gonna do this. It's a read for Bohemian Grove, which is coming the 20th and 21st June. It's going to be dope. It's going to be a whole bunch of stuff going on there. So you guys get to see what it looks like before we actually, like, pay the money for somebody else to.

[Host 1]

Make sure them Bring up. Can you bring up pictures of the.

[Host 2]

The.

[Host 1]

The theater?

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 1]

Members of theater. So. So we already got it secured. It is Leesburg, the Tropic Theater in Florida. It's a legitimate. Did you know it's the watermelon capital of the world? It is a legitimate theater. 240 seats. I don't think we're gonna sell all 240 seats. We want to keep like 10 to 15, maybe even 20 open. Because what we want to do is flood it with conspiracy content creators. We want all the homies there. We want it to be a really weird experience. Don't show them your. Those are. Those are really dope.

[Host 2]

Those are sick though, right? Those are my favorite.

[Host 1]

Yeah, don't show the people that, though. That's very.

[Host 2]

Okay, okay. Sorry.

[Host 1]

They've made you wealthy and this is how you behave.

[Host 2]

It's not the. Listen, no, no, here's the thing. It's not about, like, I'm using, like, money to get this. I had the money to get it. I just figured out a website to get this for cheap.

[Host 1]

I can't believe you're getting for like 20 something bucks, dog.

[Host 2]

I'm not. There's no way I'm paying, like, for these shoes. These shoes are really nice shoes, but they're like $175.

[Host 1]

And I went to the mall the other day, like the 65 dog, and they're real crazy.

[Host 2]

If you see that for 55, how are you gonna, like, you're gonna not buy those, right? I'm gonna buy New Balance.

[Host 1]

If you see mine cards for. That's a three dollar. Look at that, look at that. Hold on real quick. Check this out. Was this, this was a six dollar holographic Hitmonchan. First generation, baby. First generation.

[Host 2]

Wes is gonna get this file and he's like, what the am I supposed to do with it? Right?

[Host 1]

I forgot we're supposed to be recording this for him. I'm sure he appreciates that. That's, that's really nice.

[Host 2]

So yeah.

[Host 1]

Leesburg, Florida. It's going to be the Tropic. Here we go. We're going to. There it is. Look at that.

[Host 2]

The theater is under, it's under a little bit of construction. You'll see a little bit of a mess. But this is the inside of the theater here. And I'll show you some more stuff as well. That's a 240 person seat theater. There's a, there's actually another room with a balcony in it. But it's not really set up for what we need. This is, this is pretty cool.

[Host 1]

That's cool.

[Host 2]

The other room has a balcony. Yeah, this, this room here, this is like the, the main entrance, the lobby. We're going to have like liquor in the lobby.

[Host 1]

Liquor in the lobby, baby.

[Host 2]

Yeah, they actually, behind that brick wall over there, they have free. Yeah, Freemason. That's where we keep the children. It'll be like a little ticket booth. So you buy tickets. When you buy your tickets, you'll have a QR code on your email and I, I want to set it up so we have somebody there where you can go scan that and then you'll put your wristband on right there. But it's like outside, like an old school movie theater. Really cool. See? Very good. Not bad for 55, right? That's what I'm saying. I can't stop.

[Host 1]

It's. Yeah, 55 bucks is not bad. And once again I just want to say that. Yeah, so after. So, so what we want to do is we want to keep over, keep open like 15 to 20 seats. We're going to flood it with other content creators. We have Shane Cashman, we have Sam Tripley, of course, Nephilim, Death Squad, Tower Gang, and we're working on the rest of it. But after it's all said and done, right outside the Tropic Theater there, there's a bunch of really dope restaurants, a bunch of places to get drinks, to get food, to play, to hang out. And that's what we're gonna do. So we're gonna have the, you know, all the performances inside the theater and then after it's done, we're all gonna pour out into the streets for sort of party.

[Host 2]

This is what it's gonna look like from our view. Like looking at you retards.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Here comes.

[Host 1]

And there you guys.

[Host 2]

And then, and then that's where you guys go close. Go there. Close enough to sit on, but far enough away. Smell you. Yeah. Oh, just. Yes, actually. Yeah, in the front row. Actually, maybe we should do like VIP in the front row.

[Host 1]

We'll see VIP in the front row.

[Host 2]

VIP gets you spit on the splash zone.

[Host 1]

That's what baby, on day two, it's going to be a lot of splash. So yeah, man, that's what we're working on. And so I guess we're going to do. I guess we're going to do. We're going to do sort of we have to do an ad read and this isn't going to get published anywhere. It's just for you psychopaths. I. I don't even know why we're. There's so much pressure, so much pressure from these people. Look, Aiming Rat. Now that I know that Aiming Rat is watching me while I'm going to try to do this, it's a lot of pressure.

[Host 2]

That's.

[Host 1]

Is Scott here?

[Host 2]

Can you squirt?

[Host 1]

Everybody's got probably names all the time, so I don't know who's who.

[Host 2]

Clint Russell is killing training that guy. He's lost his mind since he's been doing the show with us. I told him to calm down, but I don't know.

[Host 1]

Yeah, he has been. He's also been kind of. Everybody thinks he's a big racist now, which is true.

[Host 2]

Kind of is. Did I tell you I got the Olympic Sevens? The Olympic Sevens.

[Host 1]

That's nice. I haven't gotten any. They're beautiful high top, black and white blazers. I got some really nice new MTE Low.

[Host 2]

Is this of me? Because like I've been thinking. Thanks, Sam. Yeah, I know. This is a good show.

[Host 1]

There he is.

[Host 2]

Like, I have the ability to print shirts and I was like, I should just print shirts that match all my Jordans and. But I'm like, that's so crazy.

[Host 1]

But then I'm having your own. If you can't fucking do that.

[Host 2]

I know, that's what I'm saying. Like I have my own printing press. Of course I'm going to do that. That's what I'm going to do.

[Host 1]

I have my Own printing press. You know what we should do is.

[Host 2]

We should.

[Host 1]

When we. When we go to Leesburg, we make that the center of our operations. We should.

[Host 2]

Oh, Scott's here. What's up, Scott?

[Host 1]

Scott? What up, baby?

[Host 2]

We.

[Host 1]

We should have, like, little. Little bins. You know how you walk down the street and there's newspapers inside little bins and they cost, like, a quarter. We should have our own little bins. And it's just the most unhinged that we print and we just put in there.

[Host 2]

Since you're here, can I show the people in the Patreon the picture you sent me, or is that just a no? Because.

[Host 1]

Yeah, if it's a no, it's understandable, but it's. It is art. I would say that I'd be able.

[Host 2]

To print it out and put it on, like, banners.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Magmar Hitmonlee Muck. Got a muck here.

[Host 2]

No. So, like, let me show you.

[Host 1]

Arcanine.

[Host 2]

What are you talking about? Bulbasaur. Do you see those, Scott?

[Host 1]

You see those.

[Host 2]

Those black pillars right there? Oh, if we just put a stage around them. His picture printed out. They're. They're probably like, 4ft by 8ft.

[Host 1]

I'll print it out.

[Host 2]

I can. Can I print it out or can I show it now? That's a big difference.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Okay.

[Host 2]

I'm gonna show the people because it's the greatest picture that's ever been sent to me.

[Host 1]

I love this picture. I gotta make my thing. My. My screen, full screen so I could see it because.

[Host 2]

Oh, wait, I'm sorry. I don't want to pull up, like, our conversation.

[Host 1]

Yeah, don't. Don't do that. I should have warned you. That was a timeline cleanse. Move.

[Host 2]

Hold on. Yeah, and I'm just showing every conversation.

[Host 1]

I see it in the tiny screen. Oh, it's so amazing. Yeah, we can zoom in on it.

[Host 2]

The story behind this picture is that he did. Scott wasn't able to make it for. I don't wanna. I want to do your feet justice, Scott. Yeah, he wasn't able to make it to Bohemian Grove, but he did pay for, like, a VIP package sort of thing. So he got a cape. And I just forgot to send it out for, like, I don't know, months and months and months. Yeah. And he was like, bro, are you gonna send it? So I finally did send, and he got in, and he doesn't say thanks. He doesn't say anything like that. He just sends me a picture of him in the cape. Are you guys ready? Press 1, 2, 3, if you want to see this.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah. 1, 2, 3 is in the chat. Hold on, let me get in.

[Host 2]

I'm already looking, but I want to see it twice.

[Host 1]

Yeah, There we go. 1, 2, 3. At least we know that we. We want to see it. There we are. There we go.

[Host 2]

Also.

[Host 1]

1, 2, 3.

[Host 2]

I don't know. Well, I'm about to show you why you're here. Scott wants to see it. All right, here we go. That's good enough for me. Doomsday.

[Host 1]

Doomsday Cracker. Damn.

[Host 2]

Dang, baby.

[Host 1]

This is a definition of luxury, by the way.

[Host 2]

It's up, Scott, because I. I ran this through chat. GPT, like the Ghibli Studio Ghibli feature, and it gave it to me, and then I lost the picture. I didn't save it.

[Host 1]

Oh, my God.

[Host 2]

Then I tried to redo it, and it did an update, and it wouldn't let me. Was like, no. I was like, you can't do that. I flipped it upside down. It was like, still the butt cheeks because you know you can't do it.

[Host 1]

Oh, my God, bro.

[Host 2]

Great.

[Host 1]

Unbelievable.

[Host 2]

Honestly, this with the Bohemian Grove logo overlaid over it is what, a banger.

[Host 1]

Yeah, that's 100. If we could crop it so it's narrow and make it, like long skinny banners.

[Host 2]

It already is kind of narrow. Like, we could.

[Host 1]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He fits into. Yeah, but you can make it a little bit more narrow. Have two.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 1]

Like the Twin Towers.

[Host 2]

They asked me. I went to the comic book store and they asked me. These people. I don't know what's up with these guys. And I was like, listen, there's a. There's a comedian that's been on the Joe Rogan Experience, another guy from Tim Cass. It'll be a big event. There'll be a lot of people. And they were like, well, we'll have to look into it and this and that. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. He's cheeked up, though. All right, we'll take it down. It's distracting.

[Host 1]

Oh, it's so funny, though.

[Host 2]

He goes to me, he says to me, he's like, I will have to look into it and all that. And then some other guy that works there goes like, none of these people own the place. So I haven't spoke to the owner yet. These are just workers. And the guy from the back.

[Host 1]

The venue, Right?

[Host 2]

Yeah, the. The comic book place. Not. Not.

[Host 1]

Oh, the comic book place. Okay.

[Host 2]

Across the street.

[Host 1]

Yeah, because there's a comic book place across the street guys, they didn't have content.

[Host 2]

He goes, also, do you guys, like. Do you have, like a brochure or anything? And I would love to give him this.

[Host 1]

That was the brochure, you know, the docket. What if the docket was just all on his legs? Like, that's what you're reading.

[Host 2]

Oh, my God.

[Host 1]

Oh, my God. It's so funny.

[Host 2]

You're done, bro. It's only been two minutes. All right.

[Host 1]

Oh, my God.

[Host 2]

Takes back her. One, two, three. It doesn't matter.

[Host 1]

No, take back seats, baby.

[Host 2]

Already.

[Host 1]

Scott said, this is for the bros, not the hoes. That's right. Ladies can't appreciate. Ladies don't appreciate, you know, art that's not for them.

[Host 2]

Oh, that's funny. Okay, all right. That's very funny. Thank you, Scott. Thank you for doing that for us, guys.

[Host 1]

Are you excited, though, in the chat? Are you guys excited? Because I'm excited. I was telling Cindy I'm going on. On the second ever vacation I've ever been on.

[Host 2]

Oh, dope. Where are you going?

[Host 1]

So I'm going on a cruise. It's almost certainly filled with, like, tortas, you know, like, big.

[Host 2]

When are you going for your anniversary?

[Host 1]

Yeah, we're going in the middle of. So. Which reminds me, that whole Ryder Lee episode, it's got to move now because my son's birthday is the one day, and then we're going to be out on the ocean, you know, doing big episode.

[Host 2]

What are you talking about?

[Host 1]

Not Ryder. Was it Ryder? Frank, quite frankly, wants us back on.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah, that was on the 14th. You can't do it.

[Host 1]

I think I'm gonna be gone. I think I'm gonna be on the ocean, like I said.

[Host 2]

You know what? That's my. When's your anniversary with your wife?

[Host 1]

The 21st. May 21st.

[Host 2]

That's right. Mine's the 15th. I forgot. You copied me. I should. I. I've been thinking about going away, too, and my wife floated the idea of Jamaica. We got into a big fight, Big fight again. So now I don't think we're going.

[Host 1]

To go on the. You can come on the cruise with us and it'll. Because we're going with my cousin and she's awesome. And her boyfriend, he's a lot of fun. They're really cool people.

[Host 2]

And.

[Host 1]

Yeah, we're gonna be. I. I saw the boat. I didn't. It's called the Margaritaville. It's. It looks like I've never been on a. Like a. You know, anything really anywhere. And this thing is the Size of like a skyscraper.

[Host 2]

We did like an NDS cruise, but it's for our wife's anniversary, right?

[Host 1]

That's right. And we'll just sit there. Dude, just like today I was at the bank trying to do this, you know, accounting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about how. How big business we are or about.

[Host 2]

How big business we're trying to open up a bank account? Because, like, it's been small business.

[Host 1]

Big, big business moves.

[Host 2]

Bank account. Yo, 1, 2, 3. In the chat, if you. If you don't have a bank account.

[Host 1]

No, no, no, no. If your business, your business has a bank account, that's big business. Come on. What are you talking about, dude?

[Host 2]

It's normal business.

[Host 1]

So anyway, I go to the bank to do big business and, and, and the teller, I end up staying there an hour later than I needed to. An hour. Because I do an hour long podcast with this teller. I just tell. She's asking me questions like, do you think the polar shift has anything to do with the return of Jesus Christ? And I'm. I'm like in the middle of her office and. And we stayed there for a long time. She told me her son is coming to her with all these like, he's like 25 years old and he's like, Hitler is the. And. And the Jews are doing everything. And I'm like, this is so funny. This is exactly. He's the person I'm like, you and your son need to be watching my show. Oh, see, Marty Mac has a big business bank account and she says it's big business.

[Host 2]

Huh? I got a big business bank account. Yeah, but there's a difference. It's like you can have a bank account for business, but it might not be. It might not be big. Sorry, guys, I got a little distracted. We have a brand new booking. Dr. Andrew Huff will be on on Friday. That's gonna be.

[Host 1]

That's wild.

[Host 2]

Yeah. So that's the dude. He's the whistleblower for the EcoHealth Alliance. He worked with Peter Dasak, the guy that kind of lied about the COVID The COVID vaccine. But he's going to come on kind of. It's interesting. He's coming on to talk about the explosion of these food factories, which was mentioned in the latest episode of Tinfoil Hat. But I think this guy might have a better insight on that.

[Host 1]

The explosion, like, meaning the literal blowing up and catching fire of the food factories.

[Host 2]

Yeah, and there was a lot of talk in that episode, like there was overlay between Covid, between these asteroids, between the Fires and the food factories and a lot of egg talk as well. So this could get really weird, really interesting. Be there Friday.

[Host 1]

I'm excited for that. Clint Russell says he'd sniff Scott's ass. And we knew you would. We knew you would. Do you have.

[Host 2]

Can you.

[Host 1]

Did you share with me the script so I can read? We got to read the script.

[Host 2]

They're in the. Private chat. Oh, wait up. Didn't you have some kind of crazy story to tell, too? Oh, sorry. Stick around after, because we're gonna be recording, like, 20 minutes or so on Dave Smith, and we're gonna do it like. Like brand new. Like, welcome back because it'll be a preview for when we re. Air the episode we did with Dave Smith, Clint Russell, and us. When we talked about God, and Dave got real uncomfortable.

[Host 1]

Yeah, but he rejected the premise over and over again.

[Host 2]

Yeah, you know what? You know what? That's a good point. I forgot about that. Okay.

[Host 1]

I rejected the premise, dude, that. Rejected all my premises.

[Host 2]

It was crazy that I.

[Host 1]

That I offered up to him. He was like, I reject that. And I was like, dude, what am I supposed to do with that?

[Host 2]

I know, like, answer the. You know what? The. Okay, so this. Perfect. We'll talk about that after. Maybe he deserved what he got with that gay Brit. But whatever, that's fine. Good.

[Host 1]

All right. Okay. So the story. It's not a. It's not a crazy one, but. Okay, so I was having. I was laying down and I was having sort of. I think we talked about this. I was having visuals and such. Sometimes I have that. I don't know. I think everybody does if you pay attention, but I choose to pay attention. So I'm laying down, and I start seeing a bunch of. Behind my eyes. And, you know, I'm seeing, like, things that, like objects and people in places, but it's not like, everything's, you know, foggy and dark, and it's. And I'm always like, damn, dude. I've been able to do that for so long. That was something that I learned how to do when I was homeless because, you know, it gets dark at night and everything's dark. So you start. I don't know. I. I figured out how to do this thing when I was homeless. I've been doing it for a long time now, and it's never done anything cool. I've never been able to, like. It feels like I'm starting to. And, like, remote view or some astral project. I'm not saying you should do that. I'm just Saying that's what it always feels like. Feels like the beginnings of it, and it never goes anywhere. So I'm laying in bed, and I'm having this happen, and I start thinking, you know, you think to God, Like, I'm not saying it out loud, but I'm thinking very clearly and concisely about if I should do, like, if this is okay to do, show me how to do it. So you're not okay to do. Don't show me how to do it. Right.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 1]

And so I immediately get this notion that, like, yeah, you have to learn how to disassociate. And. And I'm like, oh, yeah, because that's the beginning of it, right? It's always the beginning of it. They disassociate, they slip out or whatever. And then the next thought that I have is, like, binaural beats. And I'm like, okay, binaural beats. I know that. Like, I know that. It just brought it to the forefront of my mind. I don't know if that's God being like, yoink, but that's still not, like, camera spirit fingers. What? I got to go back to the spirit finger days now. So I. That wasn't, like, an okay for me.

[Host 2]

To do the bank account. We need to get David, like, a legitimate camera. This is getting bad now.

[Host 1]

This is so annoying. Yeah, so. So I. I think about doing that, and I recognize, like, okay, I've got to learn to disassociate. A good place to learn how to disassociate is binaural beats. Right? And then what ends up happening is we get an email, and I don't read the Chronicles emails ahead of time. I don't do that. But this one I did, and it was all about disassociation by way of binaural beats. This guy had done it.

[Host 2]

Wait, is this the one that says telepathy?

[Host 1]

It might have been. It was kind of new.

[Host 2]

You starred it, right?

[Host 1]

I didn't start it because I don't do that, because I'm not organizational like that.

[Host 2]

I don't be starring things literally. Just press a button.

[Host 1]

Anything that is starred, it's all you, dude. You guys, I don't star things, but it was pretty new. It came in, like, less than a week ago, and it should be already clicked on. I know that, but I read the whole thing, and at the end of it, it ends with him being like, end. It all leads to, like, demonic interaction, poltergeist activity, and aliens coming towards you doing this. Yeah. And I was like, oh, Yeah, I know that because there's just things that you don't remember in real time, you know, but he's like, it's everything. It's the answer for everything. It's. It's definitively like, yes, you can do this through this. This is how you do it. Binaural beats, you know, Monroe Institute. But the Monroe Institute seems to have like made its own brand of binaural beats that brings you to a very specific frequency. I don't know. But long and short of it is, by the end of it, he's like, yeah, and if you do this, it's going to increase, like abduction phenomenon, it's going to increase poltergeist activity, it's going to increase demonic and spiritual encounters. And I'm like, okay. It just felt really crazy that that was the answer, like all of a sudden. It just happened in like a couple of days.

[Host 2]

Do you want to read it? Do you want to read that email?

[Host 1]

I don't want to say. I mean, he wrote a long, a lengthy, well written thing. I don't want to do it here because I'm sure he wants it read on the show. You know what I mean?

[Host 2]

Okay, that's fine.

[Host 1]

I want to give it its due, but so I'm having that, right? And then this thing happens. My wife has a dream and it's me and her in her childhood home, and we're inside a bedroom and our son is calling, but she knows in the dream that he's in school. So she's like, what the fuck? And he keeps calling, mommy, Mommy. And. And then his voice starts to change. It's becoming like angrier and much more aggressive and it's getting closer and it's asking her to open the door. Now he's not saying open the door, but it's on the other side of the door, you know what I'm saying? And. And I think it was knocking. And it doesn't sound like our son anymore. It sounds like a monster. And she starts reaching for the door. And in real life I wake up, but, like I'm waking her up already. And I wake up as I'm waking her up and she wakes up because I've woken her up. And she goes, what? And I go, you're having a bad dream. And I kind of wake up in the middle of the sentence, you're having a bad dream. Which is very strange just because I was like already moving before I really came to. And I woke her up in her dream as she was reaching for the door. But I Woke her up. Like, I'm in the dream next to her, and I'm in bed next to her.

[Host 2]

Oh, you guys are dreaming together?

[Host 1]

I don't know. I don't remember that dream. I just know that I woke up because I had to wake her up.

[Host 2]

Let me tell you a story. So put a pin in that. We were talking with Greg Carwood, and I think we were talking about the idea of telepathy a little bit. And I said, oh, yeah, that happened to me and my wife the other day. And then I was going to tell the example, but we just moved on real quick. And the example was we were both in the shower, right? And I started singing the exact part of a song that she had in her head. And then she goes, holy shit. That's exactly what I was singing in my head from. Like. Like, it's. Because it's the middle of a verse. Doesn't even make sense. Like, not the part of chorus. It's like, the middle of it. And I was like, that's weird. And then she says, what am I thinking right now? And I said, nice dick. And she said, whoa. Like, for real? And I was like, bang. Told you. Knew it. But it's weird because you're, like, communicating.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Constantly. Yeah. So when you're sleeping, it makes sense.

[Host 1]

There was. There was this one time in particular when me and Cindy first, like, got together. And I. I forget what it was, but something happened, and it was so significant.

[Host 2]

They're asking what song it was. The Mufasa song. I Always Wanted a Brother from Disney. Fucking Banger song.

[Host 1]

Yeah. That's the new one, though.

[Host 2]

The new one. Yeah. I don't even remember which part, but it was this part. Whatever. Go ahead. Sorry.

[Host 1]

So. So, okay. I remember we had, like, this moment. It might have been like. Let's say it was something innocuous, like a song thing. Right? Like, it was like, oh, shit. And then because of that, we decided to, like, test it. And I remember twice in a row. Like, first I was like, what animal am I thinking of? And I was. She said the right. She said bird. And I was thinking of birds. But the way that I knew to give her the message was I wasn't just thinking, like, bird, bird, bird, bird. I was thinking, like, of sensations. Like, when you. You're in the city and you walk through a bunch of pigeons and, like, the chaos of, like. I was thinking of, like, all the minutia of birds and the feeling of being around them. And. And then she. And I was like, oh. She said birds. I said birds. I was like, oh, my God. And then I did it again and then. But this time I was thinking about turtles, dude. And she guessed.

[Host 2]

What's the sensation of turtles? Like, the clumping?

[Host 1]

No, you just think about, like, I thought of like, Ninja Turtles and like, just like, turtle. Like, what do turtles do? Like, everything about turtles, you know. Is Raven okay irl. Or is he as retarded as he seems? What is that different?

[Host 2]

He brings a level of like, menacing violence. Irl. But yes, very much the same. Like, a lot of knives.

[Host 1]

I have a lot of knives, but they're like more like beautiful decor. All right, let's, Let's. I thought. Oh, but going back to your rings, I'm not wearing them right now because I've been comfy, cozy. I had no intention of doing this. I was just lounging. You know what I mean?

[Host 2]

Do you take them on and off like.

[Host 1]

Well, yeah, because they can get in the way of things, you know, I like to work out while I'm at home and it's. It hurts a lot to grip things with a bunch of goofy rings on. But. But with my son. Isn't it interesting, though? Because it was like, what did it do? It took an aspect of him, right? Because they're always imitating. We just like familiar spirits and shit. Will imitate, like, loved ones. Turtles. Like eggs, dude, I fucking love a turtle. My favorite Pokemon was Squirtle and then fucking.

[Host 2]

They used to call me Turtle in school because I was a little fat turtle egg. Let me look.

[Host 1]

You're fat. That's funny. I like high school.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

I like how they call fat Mexican chicks tortas. Tortas.

[Host 2]

Although that's the food. But, yeah, but they call them chick.

[Host 1]

With a wide back and no neck.

[Host 2]

Oh, that's the nastiest but, yeah, look at that. Actually, this looks like a fat Mexican, right? They kind of look like this, like with the eyes like that. Like real sad looking. But yeah, they do.

[Host 1]

Like, I moved out of the. I'm not moved out of the hood yet, Jin. My move out date is the 21st. Oh, wait.

[Host 2]

Of this month?

[Host 1]

No, no, no, no, no. Next month.

[Host 2]

Next month, right? That's right. Oh, your anniversary. Look at that.

[Host 1]

Dude, it's so crazy. So, you know, we're going on a trip. We're going, we're moving. And then the next month we're doing Bohemian Grove. Like, it's going to be a crazy. May and June are nuts for me.

[Host 2]

Whirlwind, whirlwind. So what were you saying? What Was. What is this?

[Host 1]

That it was using. There you go. Time like this. It was using my son's likeness, and it was asking to come in. And that for both of you.

[Host 2]

Same. Same dream for both of you?

[Host 1]

Well, like I said, I didn't have the dream. I just woke up because I knew she was in distress. Like, I woke up and, like, with an urgency at. I woke her up at the same time I woke up somehow, like, simultaneously shaking her awake and waking up myself. And yes, I stopped her from grabbing the doorknob. But I just think it's fascinating because. And I. I was forced to, like, kind of do some. What would you call it? Like, housekeeping. Like, internal housekeeping. I'm like, what's going on? Because I'm like, something was allowed to use his visage or at least his likeness. Why? And maybe I should be asking why that was allowed. You know what I mean? Because it's asking for permission, but it's pretending to be him. And it's also keeping the guys up, up until a certain point where, like, eventually it does reveal itself to be something else, because she said it was. It sounded like a monster eventually instead of him. And it's like, yeah, well, you probably can't get in. I can't give you permission if I have no idea at all that it's not who you say it is. You have to give me something that indicates so I have some sort of knowledge of. Of it while I'm consenting. You get what I'm saying?

[Host 2]

Right, right, right. Yeah. Well, I mean, I guess it could trick you, but it just doesn't seem fair that it could trick you and then expose itself that way. Like, you have to let that thing in in its true form or fashion. That's what I'm saying.

[Host 1]

Yeah. So it felt like, I don't know, I'm just left with this question of, like, why was it allowed to do that? And maybe I'm overthinking it, but it all seemed to be, like, the spiritual hallmarks were there. Like, as far as the knocking on the door.

[Host 2]

It's funny that it tried to trick your wife, not you.

[Host 1]

And it used. It used her childhood home, which I think, like, everybody experiences some level of trauma in early childhood. And I think that's like, my early childhood homes have come up in my dreams before. She says that one is recurring, that that place from her, like, really early childhood. And I'm like, yeah, that's probably when some familiar got you a little bit way back in the day and has been Dragging. You've been dragging it. And it brings you back to some place familiar to disarm you. So if you could, like. Because nostalgia is comfort, right? So if it can make you feel nostalgic, it can make you feel comfortable. And then it uses, you know, our son, which is another added layer of deception. It's taking things that are close to you and leveraging them. And so then I'm just asked. I'm left to be like, why. Why was it able to do that? Like, even get his voice, let's say. Which is what it seemed to have gotten for a little bit. I don't know. I could be just overthinking it.

[Host 2]

It's a good question. It's a good question. I don't know. Yeah, some housekeeping. Let me know what you. What you find out.

[Host 1]

I got my son a phone.

[Host 2]

Oh, that's. That's not good. Look at. They said. They said. The real question is, what are we consenting to by being here in this live chat? And I'll tell you what. You're consenting to all this.

[Host 1]

There you go. What?

[Host 2]

You asked for it. Bohemian Grove.

[Host 1]

You are asking for it.

[Host 2]

June 20th and 21st. All right? That's what we're really here for. But should I. Should we. Should we do this? Actually, I'll tell you about my bad dream. It was. It's not even a joke. I did have, like, a fucking. I lost a lot of sleep. It was a night terror. And I was back in Jamaica, and it was a. If. I don't know if you guys have listened to. Sorry.

[Host 1]

Wait, when did this happen?

[Host 2]

I. Friday night, maybe.

[Host 1]

Oh, okay.

[Host 2]

Friday night. Yeah, I was back in Jamaica. This is, like, not a joke. Go. Go and listen to the episode of Tower Gang. It was called Carnies of the Caribbean or Carnies of the Caribbean, where I tell. Tell you about my Caribbean. The same exact thing. From the flight to the landing to getting to the airport. We get to the airport, Jamaican guy lies to us. But this time, the. The decision that me and my wife have to make, he lies to us. Like, because we. There's supposed to be a shuttle that brings you from the airport there. And a Jamaican guy goes, no shuttleman, only cabs. So then, like, my wife's like, should we take a cab? And I'm like, he's lying to you. Like, we'll have to wait for the shuttle. Like, clearly, you can tell when this guy's lying. And. But she doesn't get it. No, this is. This happened. Okay, but in my dream, it Played the same way, except for he didn't say cab. Like, the only thing we could do is. Is take a train. So then we had to take a train. And it was like, if you've ever been on the A line in New York City from the. Like, the airport, the same kind of train. And I was like, oh, my God. And we're on the train, and I'm just like, super shady. I'm like, if we have our bags and I'm trying to protect my wife. And then my wife gets off, and I realize my phone's dropped out of my pocket. And I run back, I go and I grab it in the thing and the door is closed. Bring me to the next stop. And now my wife is there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, I can't communicate with her. Turns out it's a bad dream because Jamaica is too backwards to even have a train. They did have a train, but it was like there was a huge accident. Killed, like, 130 people or something like that. Because imagine the kind of road work that's being done with this trailer doing.

[Host 1]

Backflips over the train as it comes.

[Host 2]

By and just twerking on the tracks and when they're supposed to be spikes. Yeah, so that was my bad dream, but it was realistic as fuck, because, like, the first part of it was, like, exactly what I lived through. And the second part was, like, fantasy because it didn't exist. But I was like, God damn. And I told my wife, and she said, yeah, I would have probably died. Like, if I went on the train and she was stuck somewhere else, I would have probably been dead. And I was like, so let's not ever go to a place, right, where you'd be dead if just left alone. And she was like, I agree.

[Host 1]

And she's like, okay, so now you're not going to Jamaica, right?

[Host 2]

Jamaica is one big waffle house. We're going to see what it is.

[Host 1]

We're going to Mexico. And I don't have any intentions of leaving the fucking. The, like, area. I don't know. There's like a designated area, I guess I've never really been on a cruise or anything.

[Host 2]

So they'll bring you to a resort and then there's excursions. I'll never do an excursion in a third world country ever again.

[Host 1]

It's not worth funny, because I wanted to do an excursion because I like it. I just feel like I can't do an excursion with my wife. That's what I feel like I can't do.

[Host 2]

Yeah, it's risky because I'm like. I could watch my back.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

But if we gotta run. All right, all right. Let's read this ad and we'll figure out how we're gonna break this up. You want you. I'll start it off, I guess. Right.

[Host 1]

Well, they said to read everything for.

[Host 2]

For the audience. I guess we're gonna read two things and they're. We gotta read like.

[Host 1]

You got to read the whole thing. I got to read the whole thing.

[Host 2]

Oh, this is going to be painful for the audience. Whatever.

[Host 1]

Yeah, yeah, dude. It's not going to be good for them. I don't know.

[Host 2]

Well, this. This. There's more people in here than there were for, like, Greg Carwood.

[Host 1]

Dude, I know. What the is going on?

[Host 2]

Why.

[Host 1]

Why are you guys watching this right now? This is so funny. Yeah, this isn't going to be good viewing experience. We have to try to do a. A read like a. Like a read for a commercial.

[Host 2]

It's. And this read is bad too, because it's like. This is AI and it's just like put in humor. That's not mine. I also haven't read it. I've just copied it. So here we go.

[Host 1]

Where is actually you send it in the private chat. I got to open.

[Host 2]

It's in the private chat. All right. It starts off. Hi. Hi, Wes. This is your ad read.

[Host 1]

Oh, this is. Yeah. What time is it? Keep a timestamp so that he doesn't have to fucking do all this.

[Host 2]

Yeah, There we go. 34 minutes. Okay.

[Host 1]

So bad.

[Host 2]

Oh, shit.

[Host 1]

It's okay. Hold on. I got to stop laughing already.

[Host 2]

All right. Somewhere between Area 51, Comedy Central and a really intense episode of Ancient Aliens, there exists a place, a gathering, a vortex of truth, paranoia and questionable crowd control. I don't even. I don't like this. Welcome to Bohemian Grove. No, no, no.

[Host 1]

We're going to fucking do it. We're going to do the whole thing. You got to do it and then I got to do it. So you got to go all the way through it.

[Host 2]

Oh, that's not fair. You get to see my. All right, whatever. This isn't your average conspiracy. This isn't your average conspiracy convention. It's not a conspiracy convention. This is a conspiracy show with comedy. The second day. And it's definitely not your average comedy show. This is a two day descent into hilarious and horrifying. Wait, is this even legal? June 20th and 21st. Deep into the human mysticism of Leesburg, Florida. Join the tribe of truth seekers, skeptics, and absolutely Unqualified experts. And at the Tropic for a weekend you probably shouldn't tell your boss about. Yo, that. That's actually great. Are they paying attention to AI? Must be paying attention to, like, the Joe Rogan effect. The unqualified ass experts part. Very smart.

[Host 1]

I don't know. That was a banger, though. I'm surprised that it. That it came up with that. I'm going to mute mine because. Because I'm laughing during yours, and they're gonna be like, we can't fucking use this because this is laughing. All right, I'm gonna mute.

[Host 2]

Day one. We open the portal. Entities, aliens, the occult, shadow governments, shit like that. Dimensions we don't fully understand but talk about confidently anyway. And then it says to put clips of UFOs flying in Florida. Shane Cashman speaking with glowing eyes. A crowd chanting, the owl is not what it seems. It's hilarious.

[Host 1]

What does that mean, the owl is.

[Host 2]

Not what it seems? I don't know, but I like it. It should be Bohemian Grove. The owl is not what it seems Seems. I like that. As the all right. Narrator says again, hosted by the cosmic cowboy of consciousness himself, Shane Cashman, who will guide you through this metaphysical mind field with grace. With the grace of a man who stared into the abyss and politely asked it. Okay, with. Okay, let's. Let's try that again. Hosted by the cosmic cowboy of consciousness himself, Shane Cashman. He'll guide you through this metaphysical minefield with the grace of a man who stared into the abyss and. And politely asked it for a podcast interview. You'll experience live podcasts while performances, unsolicited spiritual awakenings. No, you won't. And the kind of conversations that get you. That get. And the kind of conversations that get your groups. Okay. You'll experience live podcasts, wild performances, and the kind of conversations that will get your groups chats. That will get your group chats flagged by the nsa. God damn it. All right, we're flipping back to the guys. Do you see why? Do you see why we hate doing this?

[Host 1]

Dude, it's so hard. It's so hard. It's like I could talk to somebody for an hour and a half and have no problems at all.

[Host 2]

This is so professional. They're trying to fast forward it so you can't. As a matter of fact, this is. This is so bad that I don't think people will come to this from watching.

[Host 1]

No, they're going to fucking make it a really great ad read.

[Host 2]

Okay, we're gonna. We're gonna muscle through It. Okay.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

All right, we're back. Wes Featuring Tower Gang. Because subtly is for lizards. I don't know what that means.

[Host 1]

It's featuring Tower Subtlety because subtlety is for lizards. What the is that, bro? Bro, read it. Okay. Obviously this AI is. Is all fucked up in the game. It says Tower Gang because subtlety is for lizards. Nephilim death.

[Host 2]

Subtlety.

[Host 1]

Half music, half divine reckoning. And yes, probably a guy selling crystals out of a tackle box. Bro, what the fuck?

[Host 2]

There's actually a store down. Down the road there that does sell crystals, but I don't think anyone should. I don't know if you guys are going to do that. Anyway, so. Featuring Tower Gang and Nephilim Death Squad. There's going to be a bunch of other performers there as well. We have not nailed down the list, but they will be there. There will be a conspiracy roundtable. All your favorite people. It's going to be a lot of retarded fun. Then comes day two. Day two isn't just off the rails. There are no rails. It's just a microphone, a stage. And it'll be headlined by Sam Tripoli, armed with truth bombs and jokes that can get him kicked out of Bohemian Grove itself. That's the place where they sacrifice children.

[Host 1]

Yeah, they drink them.

[Host 2]

It's unfiltered, uncensored, and quite possibly a psyop, but a really fun one. So again, we're just going to keep reading and whatever Wes decides to cut, I guess he'll cut. Featuring more madness. Are you flipping around on me? Yeah. Okay. Featuring more madness from Tower Gang, Shane Cashman, Nephilim Death Squad, and surprise guests you'll either recognize from Twitter or from your astral dreams. This is the third Bohemian Grove. That's right. One, two, three. Number three. Because the first two just weren't successful.

[Host 1]

I wouldn't call them a success. I mean, we did something and people remember it. But I don't know, what's the mark of success? We did it. We did it.

[Host 2]

All right. So if you're tired of the lies, if you crave the truth but you like to laugh until you're crying into your beer Then pack your tinfoil hat, grab your weirdest friends and get to Bohemian Grove. All right, I'm going to say that again. So if you're tired of the lies, if you crave the truth but you also like to laugh until you cry in your beer Pack your tinfoil hat, grab your weirdest friends and get to Bohemian Grove. June 20th, 21st. The Tropic Leesburg Florida conspiracies, comedy chaos. Two nights, infinite questions. At least one guy trying to sell you DMT in the parking lot. Tickets are on sale now. And remember, if you don't show up, the Jews win. That's crazy that they wrote that.

[Host 1]

Oh, my God.

[Host 2]

There's another one too that had. Had a really cool. A really cool, like, ending or something like that. I wanted.

[Host 1]

Everybody's noticing that I threw my cat. I had to throw my cat. Don't worry, I know how to throw a cat. Yeah, I had to. Yeah, I did it last time too, because she's a fat baby. Can you get the cat? The cat? Can you get the cat?

[Host 2]

He's getting the cat. Sorry, Wes, we're trying to figure. There was actually a really good line in here, but it was about like, oh, here it is. This. This is cool. All right, so. Welcome to Bohemian Grove. Ready? Ready, Wes. Welcome to Bohemian Grove. Three. No, that's not. That's not what I want to say.

[Host 1]

That is. I mean.

[Host 2]

Here we go. Welcome to Bohemian. Welcome to Bohemian Grove. Two days. Shut up.

[Host 1]

I got a muted. I got a muted. I muted it.

[Host 2]

Ok, ok, ok. Welcome to Bohemian Grove. Two days. One portal. Countless conspiracy theorists stand up degenerates. And at least three people who have swear they've been abducted, bro, honestly.

[Host 1]

Bohemian Grove 3. Two days. One portal is a fucking banger.

[Host 2]

Two days, one portal.

[Host 1]

Honestly, it's just a banger. Oh, it's a banger, dude. Two days, one portal is a banger.

[Host 2]

Doug.

[Host 1]

Oh, my God.

[Host 2]

Bohemian Grove. Three. Two days, One portal. Oh, my God.

[Host 1]

It's beautiful. That's beautiful. Okay. Okay. All right. I'm gonna read the whole thing now, okay?

[Host 2]

I skipped my afternoon for this. Yeah, I know.

[Host 1]

I don't know why. Look at it. Yeah. This is, like I said, more Patreon viewers on this than any other thing we've done.

[Host 2]

This is a good one. You'll be guided through the astral noise by Shane Cashman. Part journalist, part oracle, part time traveling swamp mystic. He's cracked open more portals than your cousin has crypto wallets. I don't know what that means, but I liked where it was going and then it fell off.

[Host 1]

Don't use that, okay? There's like all this negative space above it. This is the beginning of it, right? The one that we just read. Because I'm supposed to read the exact same thing.

[Host 2]

Yeah. I don't know why there's so much negative space. Let's go ahead and delete that. Yeah. Confused.

[Host 1]

That might have been me, actually. When my cat stepped on the keyboard.

[Host 2]

Okay, that's what happened. All right. When you threw the cat, I was like, what the did you do? Oh, I can't wait. All right, I'm gonna mute myself because this is gonna be fun.

[Host 1]

I'm gonna try to just rip through this. Dude, we're gonna rip through this. It's gonna happen. All right, all right, there we go. I'm gonna take my headphones off because. No, it doesn't matter.

[Host 2]

It doesn't matter. I don't have to do that.

[Host 1]

All right, here we go, Wes. And dude, no, you got to mute your thing. Don't laugh. I can't see you. And. And thank God for that, but I can't hear you either. Don't do that. Okay, here we go, Wes, in three, two, one. Hold on, I'm gonna laugh. All right, we're better now.

[Host 2]

Damn it.

[Host 1]

All right, somewhere between area. I actually think I'm crying, so I can't use that.

[Host 2]

I already up. Incredible.

[Host 1]

Okay, here we go. We're good. Three, two, one. Somewhere between Area 51, Comedy Central, and a really intense episode of Ancient Aliens, there exists a place, a gathering, a vortex of truth, paranoia and questionable crowd control. Welcome to Bohemian Grove. I imagine there's like cool techno music there.

[Host 2]

It's cool. Go, go, go. You're doing good.

[Host 1]

This isn't your average conspiracy convention, and it's definitely not your average comedy show. This is a two day descent into the hilarious, the horrifying and the. Was this legal? Wait, close enough. You'll have to take that one. Here we go. June 20th and 21st. Deep in the humid mysticism of Leesburg, Florida, join the tribe of truth seekers, skeptics, and absolutely unqualified experts at the Tropic for a weekend you probably shouldn't tell your boss about. All right, this is day one. I have to take, like a break in between. It's very intense.

[Host 2]

I love watching him do this. Yo, there's been some times where I have to edit this myself and I have to go through. David's just going, dude, it's intense.

[Host 1]

After I'm done, I have to, like. I'm not breathing for these. I'm not breathing for these. Okay, day one, we open the portal. Entities, aliens, the occult, shadow governments, dimensions we don't fully understand, but talk about confidently. Anyway.

[Host 2]

Just read it. Just read it. Don't worry about.

[Host 1]

Oh, dude, I gotta scroll. I gotta do the. All right, now we're good. We're good. Okay. Hosted. Hey, babe, you can't barge in here like that. All right, here we go.

[Host 2]

Here we go.

[Host 1]

Hosted by the cosmic cowboy of consciousness himself, Shane Cashman, who will guide you through the metaphysical minefield with the grace of a man who has stared into the abyss and politely asked it for a podcast interview.

[Host 2]

Scrolling.

[Host 1]

You'll experience live podcasts, wild performances, unsolicited spiritual awakenings, and the kind of conversations that get your group chats flagged by the nsa. Featuring performances from Tower Gang, Nephilim Death Squad, and then, like, other people will be there, too.

[Host 2]

I love. He should just leave that just right there. Tower Gang, Nephilim Death Squad, and, like, other people, too.

[Host 1]

Other people definitely be there. Then comes day two. There's, like, all this. It says drum hit, everyone gets more chaotic. Laughter, screams, somebody yells birds aren't real. While chugging a beer. That's literally what AI said. Okay, day two is.

[Host 2]

All right, all right, all right.

[Host 1]

Day two isn't just off the rails. There are no rails. So stupid. It's horrible.

[Host 2]

Do whatever you want with it.

[Host 1]

I don't know what. I'm just doing what it tells me to do. Okay. Yeah. That is gay. Right? There are no rails.

[Host 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Host 1]

I can't think. I can't ad lib and read at the same time. That's. That's insane, though. Day two isn't just off the rails. There are no rails. Sorry, I'm. We're going past it. There's just a microphone, a stage, and Sam Tripoli armed with truth bombs and jokes that can get him kicked out of Bohemian Grove itself. This is taxing, dude. It's unfiltered, uncensored, and quite possibly a psyop, but a really fun one. Also featuring more madness from Tower Gang, Shane Cashman. Wait, is just telling me the same three people again? And Nephilim Death Squad. Oh, okay. Okay. This is the third Bohemian Grove. That's right. Third. Because the first two weren't just successful, they were nearly declared interdimensional threats. There we go. So if you're tired of the lies, if you crave the truth, but also like to laugh until you're crying into your beer, then pack your tin foil, grab your weirdest friends, and get to Bohemian Grove. Final over the top movie trailer tone. How are we? Okay, all right. We have to do a. The movie voice is what it's saying. Conspiracies, comedy chaos, two nights, infinite questions. At least one guy trying to sell you DMT in the parking lot. That hurts, man. That hurts. And then it says at the end, and remember, if you don't show up, The Jews win. That's it.

[Host 2]

That's it.

[Host 1]

That's it.

[Host 2]

What if you have to say Bohemian Grove, three, two days, one portal.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. You say that and then I'll say that. Ready? You go first.

[Host 2]

Bohemian Grove, three, two days, one portal.

[Host 1]

Okay. Bohemian Grove, three, two days, one portal.

[Host 2]

Two days, one portal.

[Host 1]

I like that.

[Host 2]

All right, all right, that's fine. All right, we're gonna cut this part out of whatever this goes up on. So, guys, if you just missed that, we just did an ad read. If you're not a Patreon, you could have listened to that. That was gold. It was painful. Not, dude, not torture at all to the audience. Oh, my God.

[Host 1]

Huge torture for me.

[Host 2]

Yeah. Well, people are here. Welcome back. Welcome back to another episode of Nephilim Death Squad. We are going to. This is a. This is a throwback episode. So we're just flying right into it. We're going to be reviewing the episode about Dave Smith that we did like a year ago. The one that Phil labonte said was like C list bullshit, like early podcasting day stuff. I thought it was an okay episode. I thought it was better than he could do. But it comes on the heels. I mean, as we re air it, it's coming on the heels of Dave's very famous debates, which he's now. He's kind of known for doing with. What is his name? Douglas? Kike Murray. I forgot his name.

[Host 1]

I think that was. I didn't know it was a Douglas K. Murray, but yeah, I mean, that was him.

[Host 2]

That was the guy. Yeah. So he had this debate. What do you. What do you think about it from the. From the layman's perspective? What did you think about what you saw there?

[Host 1]

Well, I didn't watch it.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 1]

And that's mostly because, you know, it's debate.

[Host 2]

I.

[Host 1]

Look, I actually hung up my appetite, whatever appetite there ever was for debate many, many years ago because of Joe Rogan's podcast, because he had somebody on who was talking about it was two people. One was representing the plant based diet, the other one was representing the carnivore diet.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

And what I discovered was despite having subjected myself to that four hour debate, and despite having subjected myself to previous hours worth of content on diet and nutrition via the Joe Rogan podcast, I still couldn't definitively say that one was the winner and one wasn't. You know what I mean? Like, it was like there was no definitive answer. Still, after all that time invested, and I realized then that the nature of debate, just the language that, that people use, it makes it so that it's, it's not really ever about the information. It's about almost like tricking your opponent and, and getting a, an advantage over them and, and kind of like smearing them, straw, manning them. It's like all kinds of smearing them. Yeah, there's all kinds of debate tactics that make it so that if you can see them, you realize that this is not going to change your mind. And this is just about. It almost evolves into like character assassination. It's, it's ultimately a popularity contest by the end of it.

[Host 2]

And that's actually a good, that's a good point to bring in this debate. I'll show you this video of this debate because it's what happened in the Joe Rogan debate. So here we go. You'll. You'll see what's going on here. So Douglas Murray is actually debating Douglas Murray on the veracity of using, you know, experts and people who weren't there for their opinion. So here we go.

[Guest Speaker]

Have you been to the Crossing Points? I really resent that form of argumentation. When were you last there at all?

[Host 2]

Sure.

[Guest Speaker]

I really resent it. You should at least do the courtesy of visiting it. This is not an attractive invitation. I think it's a good idea to see stuff, particularly if you spend a career talking about something. I have the right to talk about whatever the hell I want, and no one's going to stop me or try to intimidate me. And I think that if I said to somebody else the other way around, it would be equally reprehensible. I have a journalistic rule of trying never to talk about a country, even in passing, unless I've at least been there. If I said shut up. You have no right to criticize anything that Douglas Murray says because, hang on, you're talking about Crossing Points. And not only have you never been to a crossing point in either Egypt or in Israel, but you've never even been to the region. Okay, it's not an exact comparison, but seriously, is that a. Is that a reasonable form of argument? No. In that case, nobody can talk about anything. We might as well pack up, go home and isolate ourselves. If you're insisting that you're an expert of some kind, or not claiming you're an expert but still talking about it. If you've never seen any of this going on, I mean, there are some people who've written about the. I mean, there are people who've written about the Holocaust who didn't experienced the Holocaust. And have written about it better than people who did. But that is a different matter from spending an awfully long amount of time talking about an issue in a region you haven't even had the courtesy to visit whilst developing all of these views about it. This. This. This idea that the lived experience has to triumph over everything else is. Is not always correct. Should at least know what it is, what the territory is, what the situation is in the region. There's an irony to this, but let's skate over the irony.

[Host 2]

It's hilarious. So this clip. This clip was actually juxtaposed by Tyler Yankee.

[Host 1]

Tyler's doing.

[Host 2]

No. Well, some. He had taken the both clips of that entire interview. He's talking to Lex Friedman. Thank God we didn't have to fucking listen to Lex Friedman. And when he's talking to Dave Smith in the Joe Rogan experience with the red background, Obviously his idea to Dave was that you're not allowed to speak on these things because you haven't even visited the region. So, number one, you have to be an expert to talk about these things. If you're not an expert, you're just a guy saying stuff. Or he called Dave a comedian multiple times and just, like, insulted him this way. And then Dave didn't have the wherewithal, I suppose, to push back and be like, fuck you, you're a British bag it, literally. And he just kind of let him do that. Which I'm like, that's like. That was just beyond the pale. Like, you let this guy call you whatever, and he kind of just got away with it. You should have whatever. So he goes on to say, like, you have to be an expert to talk about stuff, otherwise your opinion is invalid. But on this other podcast here, he's saying, you know, he's like, I resent that completely. That you have to have lived experience to talk about it. Because the idea back then was you're talking about black issues, but you're a British guy, so you shouldn't be able. And he's like, I.

[Host 1]

That was the context of that. That clip. Oh, interesting.

[Host 2]

Yeah, it's just so, again, like, debate is like, not. It's nothing ever truthful. It's just to win an argument. It's never to even make a solid point. And this.

[Host 1]

Dude, everybody's so slippery in a debate, you know, it's like trying to grab that, like, really wet soap, you know, or something. It just. It feels like that's the objective is to squirm out of your opponent's grasp over and over again. It's a matter of, like, trying to pin down your opponent and accuse them of something or say that they misrepresented something or they misunderstood something, and their entire thing is just to squeam, you know, to squirm out of that. It feels very much like it's verbal wrestling. Like actual, like Greco Roman verbal wrestling.

[Host 2]

Yeah. But both guys are lubed up. And in this exchange, Dave, your wrestling partner, is a gay man.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

So. Which makes this extraordinarily, I mean, exponentially more gay than it should have. Should have to been, shouldn't.

[Host 1]

It doesn't. I'm not. I don't know this guy Douglas Murray, but I'm imagining that this is his modality. Right. When he becomes, like, when he gets into a public speaking sort of a situation, he's combative or he's using debate tactics, but, like, he just strikes me as somebody that this is his thing.

[Host 2]

And.

[Host 1]

And look, you're not going to get on Rogan and have a debate if you're. If it's not your thing, if you're not, you know, into doing or familiar with debating. And so it strikes me as significant that if he has carved out a career or any notoriety by way of debate, but then you look at his own opinions and they're completely in opposition to one another to the extent where you can make him debate himself if you clip it the right way, that should tell you everything you need to know about debate is it can make a man who is deceitful successful.

[Host 2]

Yeah, he's extremely deceitful. So the way this. This argument went is he came in to the debate and immediately called out, like, Jake Shields and Ian Carroll. I think. I think Ian Carroll might be gay. He called him out. He called out Dave gay. Possibly he called out Dave Smith for being just a comedian, but talking about things that might bring up harmful issues. So it's like basically his argument to Joe Rogan. He wasn't even talking to Dave. He was talking directly to Joe. And he was like, how come you give these people a platform and they do these things? Like, you should really think about this before you do this. It was a struggle session for, like, 30, 40 minutes. So gay, super gay. Then it got to the point where, you know, Dave's whole point was like, hey, you know, they're murdering kids, babies in Gaza just to try to flush out terrorism. Which you. This guy actually admits that, like, you're never going to get rid of this terrorist agency. It's an idea. It's not a government. You're just Making. Honestly, you're making more of them by doing this, but what you're doing is bombing them. And he's like, oh, well, there's a cost. So then Dave's like, okay, so is the cost 15,000 children, you know, with their limbs and heads blown off? Is that the cost? Because if it's the cost, then just say yes, and then we can agree to disagree and move on. And the guy's just very slippery. I reject the premise. This kind of thing. I reject the premise of that. And it's like, see, how does that feel, Dave? How does it feel to have your rejection?

[Host 1]

Well, that was the thing that I noticed about Dave Smith, who I am a fan of. But I. I recognize that no one has ever communicated with me in that way. And I mean that very seriously. I've communicated with. It's not like my show was big, but I used to interview people all the time. I've interviewed over hundreds of people. Not a huge accomplishment by any stretch, but it's like, I've got a pretty good sample size of how people tend to interact with me. There are those who have. I'm not saying this is Dave, but there are those who have something to hide and. And me. And those people don't really mesh that well. But there are those who are, like, really genuine and don't have any kind of baggage going into an interaction with me. Those people mesh really well with me. This is the first time I had anybody say anything to me, like, I reject the premise to which I wanted to respond. I don't understand the statement. I'm. And I mean that seriously. Like, I'm stupid. I've never had anybody say to me in. In conversation that they reject my premise. Like, that's. I feel like I just got hit with, like, a robot. Like, it was a really. It was actually a frustrating episode because it felt a lot like I was dealing with somebody who couldn't answer the question, what if you didn't have breakfast this morning? Right? And it was like. Instead of saying, like, but I did have breakfast, it's them saying, I reject the premise of that question.

[Host 2]

It's like, because here. Here's what happened, I guess. So you guys will be listening to the episode in a couple of minutes at this will be paired with the episode of Dave Smith and Clint Russell and us right after. But I think something similar happened here. And again, I don't want to, like, you know, talk shit about Dave and all this, but I mean, whatever. We'll do it anyway. This is something that I do on Tower Gang, where I'm making fun. But I think what happened here with. So with Douglas Murray, Dave had a debate with him that attacked this weird underbelly of his ideology. And that's Israel in. At the very bottom of it, people like, oh, this debate was about experts. This bait was about lived experiences. Debate was about, you know, fucking, I don't know, war in the middle. No, it was about.

[Host 1]

About Jews.

[Host 2]

It was. Unfortunately, it was about Jews. This guy is married to a Jew. He. He's been to Israel. He's been given awards. He's specifically been given awards for his courageous, outspoken rhetoric after October 7th. The October 7th attacks, which he was also allowed to score a mod of with Dave. Dave was like, hey, listen, there's a. There's some evidence here that of Netanyahu and the guy, Ehud Barak, the guy that preceded him, saying that they actually supported the funding of Hamas in Gaza. They supported that. For whatever reason. I don't know, they supported it. So now when I look at the October 7th attacks, and I'm like, oh, wow, what a tragedy. So a bunch of guys with towels on their heads. And I think, like, the original thing was that they came in with, like, paragliders. Fans. Yeah, hand gliders with fans on their backs and, like, you know, Uzis. And they shot this place up. And I was like, oh, but they did that. They flew into a rave, and then they breached your border, your iron dome. And they were there for seven hours before there was a response. I don't know how fucking big Israel is, but I assume that you probably have, like, within 30 minutes, the IDF is pretty much anywhere. So seven hours, no response from an organization that you guys are on record recorded saying that you support the funding of. As a conspiracy theorist, it sounds awful lot like you wanted that to happen so that you could do this response. But Douglas Murray rejected the premise immediately. He's like, I reject the premise. It's. It's asinine that you would say that. That Israel supported the funding of Hamas, the terrorist agencies, like, but they did. With his own words. And then he'll. He even goes further to say the gaslighting this episode was tremendous, but even goes further to say, like, oh, so you just. You'll just, you know, cherry pick like. Like, so when. So when the IDF says something or when Mossad says something, then you just believe it then. And Dave's like, yeah, I kind of believe when they tell me, you know, the things that they're doing wrong, and they kind of just Let that slip. I believe that. And then I also parse through their lies. But anyway, getting off track here, what happened was is that Dave and Doug had this debate where it's almost indefensible, especially at this point where because it's been laid bare that Israel is just kind of demonic kind of garbage. And with our. It wasn't even a debate with Dave. I wanted to have a discussion, but it kind of turned a little contentious because you got, you started getting frustrated with them. It was about God and liberty and these two things coexist. And I know Dave, you know, his son had surgery from. As a child and he saw that as like a miracle. Like he's seeing his daughter born was like, he was like, this is a miracle. He's like. I started, I started to believe that there was a God period.

[Host 1]

That was my, my question to, to Dave was in regards to the tenacity that he absorbs. You know, political literature and, and, and you know, works constantly to have this understanding of geopolitics and things like that. If you have this big moment where you realize that God is real because you, you've had a child, how does that realization not take precedence at least in regards to your, your fascination? You know what I mean? Like, it's like that's really. I was just trying to. And then of course he's rejecting that premise, I believe was his actual response to it.

[Host 2]

But I don't even understand the premise that was being rejected there. I need to. I should re. Listen to the episode.

[Host 1]

But what is hard because I, I think I kind of laid back for the first half and then once we started wading into more like religious spiritual waters and conspiratorial waters is when I started to, to pipe up a little bit. But I was like, I said it's.

[Host 2]

A weird interview for Dave because like, so he knows me from the, like a libertarian background. And I brought him on and I told him that I wanted. What I wanted to talk about. He was. It was off the heels of the debate that he had with that guy Andrew from.

[Host 1]

Yeah, I wanted to talk about that. The, the, the. The COVID lockdown era debate with Andrew Cuomo. No, no, the other, the other Anthony Cuomo talking about the, the one of them is a CNN reporter and the other one was the governor of New York.

[Host 2]

No, the guy that, the guy that pushed him on. He, he's. He's on like the whatever show. We were supposed to interview his wife.

[Host 1]

Oh, he had a debate with Andrew Wilson. I think maybe his last Name.

[Host 2]

Yeah. And yeah, Andrew was not fair in that debate, but it was very much like a debate or an argument on, like, religious ends. Sort of like, like how this coincides with liberty. They were talking past each other, and then Andrew used a bunch of debate tactics that I was like, this is just like, not going anywhere. And it was just very weird.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

So I was like, I told Dave, I was like, I want to discuss this stuff with you. And he said, yeah, to come on. To discuss that. But I still think that maybe he forgot. But he's like, oh, yeah, top is we're going to talk about Rothbard. Like, I'm not fucking talking about Mises or Rothbard. Like, we've already. I've done that before. I've been on, like, Josh Smith's show with this guy and we've, you know, I don't want to do that. I, I'm. We're past that. So he brought that up a couple of times and I was like, that doesn't matter here. I don't care what some dead. You said. I'm talking about a different dead Jew. And what, you know what the.

[Host 1]

The thing is, is, like, I recognize that some of these people are used to being put in a position where, like, motherfuckers are going to try to Gotcha. You know what I mean? And, like, I don't operate that way. I don't have a history of walking anybody into a. Anything like that literally hasn't happened. Never done it once. And so it's weird because all I do is set out to have a genuine interaction with somebody. And when I'm, When I'm meeting, like, debate tactics, I'm like, this is autopilot. This is a routine that you've worked at and developed. This isn't genuine. This is how you navigate people who are trying to, like, you know, catch you in some salacious moment. Not my mo. Trying to have a conversation about God with you.

[Host 2]

I really want to know, like, the. I want to know how you think. Like, he just wasn't understanding. I was like, how do you. How does God mix with this idea of liberty? Because when you look at the libertarian movement and what it is and what it's become, especially you go, how did this thing fail so badly? And it's like, because it. I. I call it. Some people call it Satanism. What is a. Not. Not walk us into a trap. What was the pick? About an hour ago? Yeah, no, we asked you if you wanted to see that.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

You guys said 1, 2, 3, which means yes, that's true.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

You've consented.

[Host 1]

Technically, I believe you typed in 1, 2, 3. I remember that.

[Host 2]

Yeah, you did pull up the receipts, baby boy. So with. With Dave and the idea of, like, liberty and. Or the libertarianism and what, like the fruit that it's. It's bore. We were asking, like, how these two things coincide because as I was saying, some people call libertarianism, like, close to Satanism or even, yeah. Close to Crowley. Isn't Crowley like Crowley's ideology? Do as I will? And it does, it does. But it also is very close to the Christian ethos, is. There's a thing here, there's this small linchpin where I think if you put, like, God right in the center of libertarianism, it would make a lot of sense, but they have removed it completely and thrown it away because they're like, oh, no authority, no rulers, no leaders. It's like, okay. But there is.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

And you're going to have to choose one. So you've chosen none, which means you've chosen everything else but God. That's the reality of it. And then you see what it gets you. You get a gay dude and a cop as your presidential candidate. You get a bunch of people with jean jackets and pins on. They smell, they can't brush their teeth. They're all autistic and they're. It's. They're. They're largely confused. So the question that I was asking Dave in that interview, or like, that we were trying to get what I was trying to get at. I don't. I don't know exactly what you trying to ask him, but I was like, why, if this, like, this integral part is right here and you believe in it, why are you. Why do you shy away from it so much? I know it's not going to be popular, but the reality is there's a bunch of young men and women in this movement here that are completely lost. You've seen it. He's traveled the country and seen all of everything that they have to offer. You go to the national convention and you're like, geez, man, this is pathetic. And people need God. People need. They need God in there. But, like, if you went in there and you started to, like, preach God.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah, it would never work.

[Host 2]

No, they would. It would be like an exorcism. But the thing, what I like about Dave, though, is that he does a thing where, like, when I look at him and I see him talk and I see how he behaves, he is. He's exemplifying God, in my opinion, in his actions, how he behaves with his marriage, with his children, with the way he carries himself. I'm like, yeah, that's like, these are all of the qualities that somebody who believes in God.

[Host 1]

Right.

[Host 2]

Would. Would present with. But. And again, I'm not being like, go out there and preach the gospel, Dave. But I'm. I was just trying to have a conversation about, like, I think this is important to put here. And I think that he is doing it the same way I told. I told Clint a long time ago. He was like, I don't believe in God. And I was like, but you act as if you do. He's like, I don't know what that means. And I was like, well, look at. When you walk around, you act as if you do believe in God, that there is a higher power. You're put together, you're creating examples for, like, the greater good. Now there is, there's like a difference between acting like you believe in God and then actively believing in God. Because I feel like you take the next level, the next step there. And then the next step also is like, just telling people, like, you know, I believe in God. I think that that's really important in this, in this puzzle that we're trying to put together. And I feel like that that's what I was trying to express to Dave. We had some, like, communication issues with, like, my microphone at the time, for whatever reason. You'll see.

[Host 1]

Yeah, it was ducking you out, which. Which meant that they couldn't hear you when you were trying to, like, interject or even start a point. The whole thing was frustrating in that way. And I don't know. I mean, I definitely hear what you're saying. And it just. My question was a really simple one, which was. And I understand why he can't do it if he. If he can't do it. But my question was more along the lines of, like, if you've seen this thing. Yeah, yeah. If you've seen it, why aren't you moving towards it? And, And I know if you, especially Dave Smith, you think about it, he comes from a comedy and a politics place.

[Host 2]

Right?

[Host 1]

That's his place.

[Host 2]

And also he was an atheistic Brooklyn kid that had a Jewish mother. Not raised Jewish, but atheistic in the, in the left wing New York City comedy crowd.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

So I get it. But hey, man, that's what I'm saying.

[Host 1]

Is, like, I think that is. And I think that's why I read. Look, I'm not trying to psychoanalyze Dave Smith. But part of me feels like that's why I ran into that weird labyrinth of, of debate speak, which wasn't very extensive. It's not like he did this to me over and over again. It happened probably like a good three times, whatever, but it was like a, it was like a stopper in the momentum of the conversation. And I felt as though it was a defense mechanism instead of like an actual intrigue and exploration of a topic. It was like for some reason a shield was going up at the mention of it. And I think that that shield probably exists because of comedy, New York City, atheism, left leaning politics, all that a little bit.

[Host 2]

I feel like though, because he's, he's, I know he's discussed it with Lewis and Lewis is like, you know, Louis is, I don't know what he believes, but he's just not, he doesn't even want to entertain that. He doesn't like to entertain the politics, doesn't like to entertain the religious. He's very happy in his little bubble. And that's fine, you know, but when you step into the political realm and you're trying to do this like changing of humanity kind of thing, you're gonna have to deal with these issues. So if like Lewis, if like when I talk to him, I'm like, why would I ever bring that up with him? We're not talking about, we're talking about dick jokes, you know what I mean? We'll keep it contextual there. But with Dave, when you're talking about this bigger picture, then you have to mention this. And I feel like the, what we were talking about, this idea of not necessarily religion but like spirituality, it goes hand in hand with liberty, but it, it sweeps the leg of the libertarian movement. So to address it, like, to address your question head on would mean that he would have to, then in some ways he would have to like not renounce but like step back from some of these ideas, these libertarian ideas which are part of his personality and he holds a lot of conviction with which again I, I think a lot of his, the libertarian ideas are, are possible within the, the realm of believing in God. Well, maybe not like, you know, like, like having like, you know, it's okay if we're gay, you know, and shit like that. It's like, it's not. There has to be some sort of moral boundaries.

[Host 1]

Yeah, it should be like, you know, there, it's kind of leading with the spirit of like rebellion and liberation, which is understandable. Rebel and liberate yourself from Mankind, I suppose. But there has to be an authority and that authority is God. And if you don't reel it in at the appropriate time, that it just becomes, you know what, Liberate me from all things. God's order and man's order, but even the man's order thing is like, I'm realizing that God does place into position not only powers and principalities, but also kings. And so, you know, I'm not saying that that's what is happening now. I don't know if that's what the President is, but I know that there's a history of that happening. And so maybe we should make it. Rebel and liberate yourself against everyone who's not, you know, walking in the, in the word of God. You know what I mean? Like, like that should probably be a good marker is if somebody claims to be anointed in one way or another. Well, then you observe them and if they are leading with God, then maybe you're not forced to rebel against everybody. Because I have that in me. I used to, you know, school was really hard for me because I couldn't have like authority figures telling me what to do. And so I've always had that like, spirit of rebellion. But I recognize that that's, you know, the rebellion. The angels rebelling against God or even the whole don't tread on me thing. And it's a snake. And then it's like Jesus Christ gave us the authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, but for some reason don't tread on me as part of this conversation. And then even the, the torch, the symbol of libertarian values is like, well, that's huge, right? The Promethean flame, the, the, the Mithras or Lucifer, the light bearer or any of these things. Like all those together, they start to make something really weird. And then like you said before, it's like libertarians lead with, you know, do whatever you want as long as you're not hurting anybody and you're not hurting children. Yeah.

[Host 2]

The non aggression principle is similar to do without wealth shall be the whole of the law. And even in like Crowley and Crowley, they're talking about like, you know, but don't hurt people. Like, don't you know that they don't steal their. Like, be, be ethical, but do without will. And it's like, yeah, no, no, halfway. I agree with you. Like, don't hurt people. Don't take their. But there's a lot of other stuff with what thou wilt, you know, like you're performing anal sex. Yeah, anal Sex portal rituals, portal magic. In low, in the Lower east side of Manhattan, like just below a copper statue of fucking, you know, Lucifer, the rebellion, holding a torch. I just don't think that this is good for the greater good of people. But this is, you know, that's another.

[Host 1]

Conversation really because it's packaged as a lot of good things. It's only when you expand those values into the macro because they work really well in the micro. Right. You know, as far as like small government and not allowing the federal government to do this and you know, like everything in the micro works but as soon as you enter the macro and you start talking about God, that's. Yeah, there you go. JC says some libertarians believe in consenting children. Right?

[Host 2]

That's.

[Host 1]

So there has to be a line.

[Host 2]

Like, like when, when I was in libertarianism, that was, the line was like, oh well there's like some, you know, some libertarians are like clear headed and they really know what they're talking about and other ones are talking about child consent laws and it's like, yes, certainly there's levels, but that's, you're going to get that when you're given free will. And I'd like again, so liberty libertarianism, I think where it's, where it's great is the ability of tell. Well, the ability to give people their agency and free will.

[Host 1]

Right.

[Host 2]

You know, I do like the do without will. But then it needs to come with a lot of caveats.

[Host 1]

It's like, but if, until what point?

[Host 2]

Yeah, I'm saying like no, no, do what you want to do, but these are the repercussions of your actions. Like this is what you're going to get. And as a matter of fact, if you're going to go do that gay stuff, you're not welcome in my society. This is like Hans Herman Hoppe sort of an idea where libertarianism does work. But it's like, dude, there's going to be strict boundaries and rule sets. Like even God, even God allowed us to do what, what we will. Yeah, he allowed us. And that's the point of this whole thing, right? Like you have to choose him. He can't force you. But it's like if you're presenting this to people and you're telling like largely autistic people, a group of autistic young men and some woman that, you know, do whatever you want, just don't hurt people. Like, well, where are they? They're retarded, man. Like we've seen these people. Like they're gonna take that to the maximum. And it's not going to create anything good. There's got to be moral boundaries. And it's not popular with a lot of the people with the. The lady with pink hair and the Statue of Liberty on her head that's screaming about whatever. It's. It's not going to be popular with her. It's not going to be popular with the gay snaggletooth dude that won the election. It's not going to be popular with the retarded cop or the guy that's walking through the forest yelling at himself before.

[Host 1]

If you don't go in that direction, then that right there, those things you just described are the fruits of your party.

[Host 2]

Yeah. And that's what. That's kind of what I was getting at with him. But it's. I think if you, If. If you were to address it. Exactly. It's not a. It's. There's no way to win that argument. But you're getting into, like, this moral philosophy as well.

[Host 1]

It was. It's very philosophical.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

And then it's not like there would have been an answer. That's a conversation I would have actually liked to have had with him. I'm not saying I didn't enjoy the conversation, you know, honored that he would spend any time talking to us. And he is somebody who.

[Host 2]

I really enjoy the fruits of the party.

[Host 1]

Right. Literally. Literally.

[Host 2]

It was a great conversation. Even though, like. Because, again, so my microphone was ducking. So whenever they were talking, I was underneath them and I'm talking, but no one could hear me. And it's like, yeah, very frustrating. There was a technical issue, but I just. I wish that I would have been able to guide the conversation more because, like, we got stuck a bunch of times. You and Dave got stuck because. And that was a beautiful part, too. Dave, like, you were like, I don't really give a. About Dave Smith because I'm not. Like, I didn't come up in this space. I understand the respect that he has. But, like, whatever. And that's. You need that when you're talking with somebody of Dave's size. You. You definitely need that. I don't give a kind of thing. And I know what it was.

[Host 1]

It was. It was less of the I don't give a. And more of. I'm genuinely interested in what you think on this topic, but we can't get past this. And so my job then is to refine my question and figure out how to slip it in a different way. If you're not going to Answer it. Because of this aspect that I've got to refine. It's got to go back to the drawing board and I've got to spit it back out to you in a way that hopefully resonates with you. And so if I came off as not giving a fuck, it was more like, I am in this for the love of truth. I don't really care about individuals and. And you know, obviously I respect people and I'm grateful for their time and things like that. But if I give a at all about Dave Smith, it's because I think his brain works well and I would love to see what he thinks about this if I present it to him. And for whatever reason, probably for what, the first time in my life, certainly not the last, I was unable to package this in a way that was palatable for the person. So they were going to receive it, you know, chew on it, and then give me back something cool. It just wasn't happening. He was going, nope, I reject that dish. That is a disgusting dish. I'll not have anything. Like, I prepared this pretty straigh, strenuously, but back to the kitchen. I'll refine it, we'll spit it out again. And it just wasn't happening.

[Host 2]

It was a conversation that I would have. I think we would have gotten a lot more out of. And I. I would much rather have in private, not recorded, literally. What do you think? You have a very huge following. You're super influential. He was influential in a lot of my thought coming up as well. Even though, like, I guess his. Yeah. As I would just got into it, he was kind of like coming up in the space as well. So, like, very influential, what I think. But I was like, I want to know what you think. Like, I don't necessarily. I don't even listen to the show anymore. I really do. I'm curious. And if it, like, if that can't be recorded because it's like, you know, private position, public position, fine. But what the hell do you, like, where are you at? So I know your heart and I know when you're, like, when you're saying something, I know how to translate it. You know what I mean? I know where it's coming from because.

[Host 1]

It'S like, you know what I want to hear. And if I would have loved to have gotten here. Dave Smith, you've been looking at politics so closely for so long. Where does your mind go when you find out about child sex trafficking, rings that are steeped in occult, esoteric symbolism and ceremony? What does Your mind think when you hear about the laptop leaks and the weird shit that they supposedly found in Iraq and all of this strange artwork in the Podesta's homes, like, where does your mind go? But like, it's just, in my opinion, if you go there and you start having that conversation, especially with people that you don't know and trust that intimately, you run the risk of up this other that you've established for yourself. Because you have to maintain an air of seriousness if you're going to talk about politics, an air of seriousness if you're going to.

[Host 2]

It's kind of funny, right? Because like politics fight, all the money's fake. Politics are gay and it's all theater.

[Host 1]

Everybody's playing pretend. But you have to be very serious when you play pretend.

[Host 2]

And what's considered unserious is talking about God and like the metaphysical realm which certainly exists. And I like where every people are becoming, well, a lot more aware of it. But you know, that's just something that I feel like is going to come as time goes by. But I'm glad that we got to have the conversation with Dave about that in a lot of ways.

[Host 1]

Back one day.

[Host 2]

Yeah, maybe, maybe not. I mean, probably fucking what's his name.

[Host 1]

After that he was like, no, I'm not going to be coming back.

[Host 2]

Phil. Phil, I told you. Imagine having that conversation with Phil Labonte. It would go nowhere, Just a retard. Empty, empty space. But the conversation we have with Dave was a lot like the one that he had with Douglas Murray. But I feel like our shit was like, we're dealing with it. Even more important question than just like just this genocide and the idea of whatever Israel is. And you know, the Jews, which is what they were talking about. We're dealing with the concept of God and the concept of free will.

[Host 1]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

And it was like. It was like very much like just butting heads. We were talking around and over each other. And I, I was a little frustrated by the conversation, by the technology not working, just by how the conversation went. I think Dave was frustrated by how his conversation went with Douglas Murray. Because the guy, Douglas Murray, no matter what you think about him, he's a smart dude. And it wasn't even a debate, it wasn't even a conversation. It was just. The guy was just dancing. The guy was doing like ad hominem attacks on him. He was just doing weird equations referring to the experts. It's like it was not.

[Host 1]

You know how I want to remember Dave Smith? Not from this episode, because he didn't know what he was getting into. And it's all very jarring. He doesn't owe us anything. He doesn't know me at all.

[Host 2]

That's the thing. If I would have told him, I should have told him, like, like, come here. Forward debate, you know, so that way. Because I. But I don't want to debate you. Okay. And Dave's not going to use those sort of tactics most of the time. But I. If. I think if you. We would have prepared him, like, hey, this might be a little bit. Like, this is a hard conversation. I'm not going to have you on, like, who's Dave Smith? Tell us about. No, no, that's. Everybody knows you. Like, we're talking. I want to talk about something unique. And I just. I don't think that he was prepared to address it.

[Host 1]

So this was after. And this is what I was getting at, the version of Dave Smith that I want to remember. I'm pretty sure this podcast that we did with him was after he destroyed Cuomo over the lockdown era. And it was incredible. I mean, a lot of it was that should have been said ta Cuomo a long time ago, should have been out on the world. But Dave Smith was the guy who, as soon as the smoke settled, you know, I guess this was almost a year ago as well, or a little bit over a year ago, and we finally got some reckoning. We finally got somebody to hold accountable. And obviously, you know, there needs to be more done. But having. I think it was Anthony Cuomo on stage.

[Host 2]

Chris Cuomo.

[Host 1]

Chris Cuomo. There we go. Chris Cuomo on stage with Dave Smith debating the lockdown era. And Dave Smith being like, you and your core cohorts said X, Y, and Z. You said that two weeks to flatten the curve. You said that it was a hundred percent effective. You said all these things. And he goes, I never said those things. And Dave turns and goes. Play the clip.

[Host 2]

Yeah. What?

[Host 1]

Oh, my God. I mean. And then just in his own face, out of his own, you know, in his own words, Chris Cuomo says exactly what he denied having said. And it was so plain to see for anybody who was watching that I live streamed that entire conversation. And it was. It was. It was great. So that's the Dave Smith that I want to remember. And I don't begrudge him at all. I know he was in a strange position with us. It's. It was different. It's not something he's accustomed to.

[Host 2]

So that's the thing. Dave Smith is. Is so great. I think he's great on almost on everything, pretty much, you ask. But I. Why would I want to have a conversation about something like, I have you on, and I just go, I agree. Like, that's retarded. I want to have an actual conversation with you about something that maybe ne. We don't necessarily agree. Maybe even I'm wrong. Maybe I'm missing something. But it didn't get. I don't think it got there adequately, which is fine.

[Host 1]

We didn't get that far.

[Host 2]

No. Maybe that's our fault. But I thought it was fun and Dave's champ for spending the time with us. So without further ado, here's the episode with Dave Smith. It says, transmission, transition music, and then we play the intro.

[Host 1]

There's that.

[Host 2]

There we go. All right. What did you guys think about that? Was that fun? Did you enjoy that?

[Host 1]

Yeah, we're talking. We're talking to the chat now.

[Host 2]

Yeah, we're talking to chat.

[Host 1]

I see a lot of people are confused about what they just saw. They're like, what is this? Why are we.

[Host 2]

Here? Why are we sitting here? Can I leave? Can I. Can I exit the browser? No.

[Host 1]

You guys are probably wondering why we gathered you here.

[Host 2]

No. We have another two minutes before you can leave, so everybody sit down, shut the Silence.

[Host 1]

For the next 120 seconds, I'm going.

[Host 2]

To count my things here. I lost one of these. I flipped through these every time we do a podcast. Had five. Now I have four. I don't know what happened. Look at.

[Host 1]

That's a ratato. Isn't that nice?

[Host 2]

Oh, rat attack. Yeah. Hold on.

[Host 1]

Isn't that nice?

[Host 2]

They are actually asking for something.

[Host 1]

What are they asking for? Was that good? That felt good. One take, baby. One take. Whatever portion of the audience has never seen Timeline Cleanse, which I think is actually quite a few of these people.

[Host 2]

I don't know if this will go up, but Nancy did. So Nancy has been messaging me and she said, oh, no, I can't play this. I can't hear.

[Host 1]

Was she sending you death videos?

[Host 2]

Yeah, she. She was like. By the way, she goes, I. I organized all the submissions, gave them titles, ratings, and if there were words that you guys don't understand, I. I put some definitions. Thank you. That's amazing. And then she just, unprompted, sends me a video of somebody getting their head cut off. Dude, she's the greatest dull knife.

[Host 1]

And she goes, honestly, I think Nancy is in on the west coast, but if there were, you know, there's a couple people that I would hire if we had the chance. Like, if we had disposable income and it was time to hire help, Laney would definitely be one of them. Nancy. I would like to hire Nancy Scott as well. I also want to hire Gin. I don't know what I want her to do, but I just want her around.

[Host 2]

Just be old. Just be old over there.

[Host 1]

Yeah. And. And JC too. I would hire JC. He could just be like a door greeter.

[Host 2]

JC's our hype. Oh, my God.

[Host 1]

Oh, my God. Hi. When you walk into. Every time I walk into the studio, JC just goes, oh, my God. Hi.

[Host 2]

Oh, my God, you're back. Hey. Hi, Dick. Oh, my God. Hi. Yeah, dude.

[Host 1]

Oh, yeah. Aiming Rat. We gotta hire Aiming Rat too. I like him. Aiming Rats.

[Host 2]

The perfect.

[Host 1]

Oh, man. All right, what else are we doing? Do we have anything else to do? I gotta sneeze.

[Host 2]

I think that's it. I think we're done. Don't sneeze.

[Host 1]

I need the light to do it.

[Guest Speaker]

The greatest hypnotist on planet Earth is a oblong box in the corner of the room. It is constantly telling us what to believe is real. You can persuade this what they see with their eyes is what there is to see. Because they'll act in the face of.

[Host 1]

An explanation that's portrayed bigger picture of processes.

[Guest Speaker]

And they have.